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====Institutionalization (psychology)====
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on June 11

=Sword of Stalingrad

File:Sword of Stalingrad.jpg

Institutionalization (psychology)

  • Comment: Moved from userspace on 11 June 2009

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Pennsylvania Route 963

Created by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 18:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Waldmann disease

Created by Acebulf (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot Rock (Oregon)

Created by Little Mountain 5 (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nut Island effect

Created by Sswonk (talk). Self nom at 17:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Milne

Created by Dewelar (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitulations of Santa Fe

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Coral Gardens and their Magic

Created by Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa

Created by Chippolona (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Check out the reference that I just added to the article. I think you will find a more interesting hook in there. Possibly a mention that by confronting them he stalled them and allowed the ambassador to escape? Jolly Ω Janner 19:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1998 Music City Bowl

5x expanded by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Verney

...that John Verney only became a Member of Parliament to gain contacts to help him in his career as a barrister? Ironholds (talk) 04:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not mentioned in the article, only says that he switched sides and then was made a judge. I don't think you can make such a claim anyway, unless John Verney himself stated it.
  • It's mentioned in the first paragraph - "and in an attempt to gain contacts for his work as a barrister he became a Member of Parliament (MP) for Downton with the help of his brother-in-law, Anthony Duncombe in 1722". It's from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography - I'm not sure where they got their facts from, but it's one of the most reliable of reliable sources. Normally if they say "X did Y for Z reason", X did, and they've got access to historical manuscripts or whatnot that prove it.Ironholds (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appologise for not noticing that sentence in the article. The other problem is that the hook states he "only" becamse an MP for that reason. The article states that he became an MP for that reason, but does not say it was the only reason. Jolly Ω Janner 18:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He became an MP for reason X. With no other reason stated, it's reasonably to say that's the only reason. I became a law student because I like law - just because I don't specifically say it is the only reason I became a law student doesn't mean we need to debate over whether say, gerbil zombies played any part. Ironholds (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree and because it is an article on a person (all-be-it dead), I think we need to be extra sensative on the topic. Jolly Ω Janner 19:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree too, on grounds of absence of evidence not being evidence of absence. But I think it's a very strong hook even without the "only". Gonzonoir (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto. Jolly Ω Janner 19:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Freddy Awards

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dasavathaaram

Created by World Cinema Writer (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Foster

Ken Foster during his Lord Mayor parade

Created by Jolly Janner (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 02:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 10

Indonesia–Papua New Guinea relations

5x expanded by A Nobody (talk) and SatuSuro (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polish 1988 strikes

Yes, I guess this sounds much better. Tymek (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aine Lawlor

(joint-nom, expanded by Cargoking and --candle•wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Cathal Mac Coille

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --candle•wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

John Murray (broadcaster)

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --candle•wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]


United Methodist Hymnal

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 22:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vidyalankar Institute of Technology

Created by Shravan.Iyer (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Living for the Night

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Size and date are fine, and the hook matches the source. The article meets notability because the song charted (couldn't resist). The only minor issue is that there was something added to the article stating that Strait wrote 4 songs for Ace in the Hole. But the following revision, adding the word "solo" should be fine though:

Cromer Windmill, Ardeley

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Booya (ship)

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, date, reference (currently [4]) all OK. Hook tweaked by insertion of "almost". Mjroots (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Jayco, Inc

  • ... that Jayco, the largest privately held manufacturer of recreational vehicles in North America, has mostly Amish (pictured) and Mennonite employees?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 11:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad Nielsen

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Metcalfe House, Delhi

  • ... that in Christmas Eve party held in 1895 at the Metcalfe House, Delhi, unusual events of murder of an Englishman and a fire that ruined Metcalfe’s testimonials occurred; mystery shrouded both events?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame

Muskie sculpture at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would work, but I was thinking more along the lines of: ... (ALT2) that the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame is home to the world's largest muskie sculpture (pictured)? –Juliancolton | Talk 16:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Need to disam muskie to muskellunge. – ukexpat (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent comments, everyone. It's a sculpture, as you have indicated. I prefer ALT2 because its clear and concise. Thanks for the help! Royalbroil 04:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norman E. Brinker

5x expanded by Jeremy (talk). Nominated by Jeremy (talk) at 04:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tracy Kidder

  • ... that Tracy Kidder, a Pulitzer Prize winner for his second book, was so unhappy with his first book that he bought back the rights from the publisher so that it would not "see the light of day again"?

5x expanded by Uncia (talk). Self nom at 03:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again (Yui song)

  • ... that Japanese pop rock singer Yui's "Again" has the highest opening week sales for a female act in 2009?

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rollercoaster (Phineas and Ferb)

Created/expanded by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nothing technically wrote with it, but can we get a better source than the show itself? Also, other references need to be formatted correctly. Fairly interesting hook, though. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can find the other source than the DVD extra easily, but what refs need formatting and how? The Flash {talk} 04:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added the other source and formatted refs. The Flash {talk} 14:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. The Flash {talk} 17:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cite 11, if that's the one you're referencing, doesn't back up the hook. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixing it. Though, question, why isn't the DVD clip of the pitch reliable enough on it's own? The Flash {talk} 23:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, unfortunately, other than the DVD showing of the clip itself, there's no known other source for the hook. Therefore, I'll give this ALT if this one's not okay: "... that it took 16 years for the pilot of Phineas and Ferb to be picked up?" It's the new ref 11. The Flash {talk} 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
16-year hook checks out. As for your question, secondary sources are preferred for hooks, and the DVD is a primary source. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thanks for letting me know, I'll have to remember that for the future. Also, thanks! The Flash {talk} 01:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 9

Anna Kournikova computer virus

created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Dauphine

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Stannard Rock Light

  • ... that the Stannard Rock Light (pictured) known as the “Loneliest Place in the World” is the furthest lighthouse from land and in the top 10 engineering feats in the United States?

Created by Wpwatchdog (talk). Self nom at 18:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign cardinal

Created by CarlosPn (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kohno Michisei

Self-Portrait, 1917, by Kohno Michisei

--> Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One Cell in the Sea

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fun Little Movies

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Mill Colonnade

Mill Colonnade

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas S. Rodgers

Created by Jrt989 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Chrysler SERV

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke Brewer

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camber thrust

  • ... that camber thrust contributes to the ability of bicycles and motorcycles to negotiate a turn with the same radius as automobiles but with a smaller steering angle?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk) Self nom at 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Tawny nurse shark

  • ... that when captured, the tawny nurse shark (pictured) often spits a jet of water into the faces of its captors?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Government of Singapore

Parliament House, Singapore
Parliament House, Singapore

5x expanded by Jacklee (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Expansion good, ref checks out, excellent work. The fact is interesting, too; I knew the PAP was a big deal there but I didn't realize they were this powerful. The hook could use some tweaking to bring out the fact a bit better...maybe something like this:
  • ALT1 ... that the People's Action Party has dominated the Government of Singapore (Parliament House pictured) by winning a majority of seats in every general election since 1959?
  • In another situation I might say that a hook like that is too POV, but in this case it's a clear fact and it is pretty intense, so I don't think "dominated" is an exaggeration. And I guess there is some nuance and 1959 isn't technically the "first" Singaporean general election, but as far as I know it was the first full election and the first one under the current constitution. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's Your Song

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article fails length requirements. Even including the block of song lyrics this article is below 1500 characters of readable text. --Allen3 talk 20:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ice Hockey Association of India

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was hoping to share credit with Scorpion0422, who created the article. Geraldk (talk) 18:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but it should be counted as a new article, not an expanded one. Otherwise, length, date, and source verified. ceranthor 21:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do I need to change the template then or what? Geraldk (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geography of Michigan

  • ... ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake?

Created by Permethius (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is a pretty dull hook IMO, and I'd go so far as to say nearly everybody in the Northeast United States already knows this. Can you find a more interesting bit of info? Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 21:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah no, this is fine. Think of those who are not from the US and may have heard of Michigan or know the three lakes but never connected the two. It certainly won't be obvious to every European or non-US readers from wherever... --candle•wicke 21:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's still pretty boring. It essentially says that Michigan has lakes...well, big whoop, most states or provinces have lakes, and that's the sort of thing you'd expect to find in an article about geography. On a side note, the hook is not even well-written...first of all, "geography includes lakes" is not really normal English (geography is an abstract thing, it doesn't "include" physical things like rocks and lakes), and secondly the period after "great lakes" (which I have now removed) was wrong and suggested that there are only three great lakes. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I think you'll find there are many countries where one lake is a novelty... also is the DYK tag on the talk page a mistake? If not, DYK has already featured it today... --candle•wicke 22:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a mistake; the creator probably made the page by copy-pasting another article's talk page. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And, by the way, regardless of the novelty of the lakes, this is a boring hook fair and square. Let's pretend this was a bio instead. Lots of people have kids but, of course, lots also don't. Does that mean it would be interesting for me to write a hook saying " ... that Joe Schmo has 3 children?" Absolutely not. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, what happened to Lake Erie? I thought the state of Michigan took pride in bordering four of the Great Lakes, not just three of them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised it took as many observations of this proposed hook to point out the missing Great Lake. I have a few suggestions for alternate hooks:
  • ALT1... that in Michigan (map picured) no one is more than 85 miles (137 km) from one of the Great Lakes?
  • ALT2... that there over 11,000 inland lakes in Michigan?
Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There, now those are much more interesting hooks (and possibly even better would be slight varation of ALT1, pointing out that no one is more than 6 miles from any lake). I'm not sure the source for ALT1 is reliable, unfortunately, but at least we're on the right track. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, if I change it to ALT2 would it make it? I've made the article into more sections, to make more easily accessible too.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Hit Me!Sign Here! 13:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 is sourced to the same website as ALT1. I will leave a message at the reliable sources noticeboard to see what they have to say. If they do say it's reliable, I would probably choose ALT1, which I think is more interesting than ALT2. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Same here, I would want ALT1 over 2 , much more interesting.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Hit Me!Sign Here! 13:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 verified, length and history good, RS/N says the source is ok for DYK purposes. I personally would not use the map picture, but maps have been used before so the person promoting this hook to the queue may choose.
The article is not the best article DYK has ever seen and most of it is still not sourced with inline citations, but I am feeling generous for now and pass it; if you have any intentions to work on the article further, though, sourcing is a top priority. And please do not remove the {{refimprove}} tag again, or this article might not be promoted after all. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, moving ALT3 to the hook. --Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ Hit Me!Sign Here! 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is now more interesting, but I'm really not comfortable putting an article with maintenance tags on the main page. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be offended if you oppose promoting the article. In my short time here I have rejected lots of articles for having {{refimprove}} on them. It's always a somewhat controversial issue (some people believe DYKs shouldn't have to be "mini-GAs" and they should be promoted as long as the hook fact has a reference, regardless of the rest; other people believe the standards need to keep going up), but on this particular article I feel pretty ambivalent. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 19:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would suggest that the hook be changed to "... more than 6 mile from a lake", rather than "... from any lake" which has a different, and in this case incorrect meaning (that every lake is within 6 miles of every point of the state). --TachyonJack (talk) 00:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gold Glove Award winners at first base

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pathophysiology of hypertension

Created by Madhero88 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kanneliya-Dediyagala-Nakiyadeniya

5x expanded by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christian A. R. Christensen

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 12:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sharlot Hall‎

Created by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 11:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ay Amor

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 06:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My Year Without Sex (film)

Created by Pfctdayelise (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

M-28 Business (Newberry, Michigan)

Created by Imzadi1979 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 8

Dustbot

  • Comment: My first DYK; please help improve the hook or any other suggestions.

Created by Cubs197 (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Thanks for sorting out the hook, tidying up the article, and for this tweak; I agree with the sentiment in your hidden comment, and left that wording as I saw no alternative. Your edit is better. As regards credit, I don't care - I helped cubs197 with it, and I'm really pleased that the new user has managed to create a nice article. My intention all along was to help them create something that would appear on the front-page; I hope that they will go on to do lots more funky stuff.  Chzz  ►  18:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, it's up to you. I just looked through the history and noticed that you made some significant contribs. I agree that this really is an interesting article. decltype (talk) 19:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pale-headed Rosella

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 08:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Expansion checks out, and the hook has a cite, but the cite details appear missing - only the author surname and page number. The full cite needs to be on the ref list. Will leave message for nom. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of tombs of antipopes

Santa Maria in Trastevere

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 17:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wawffactor

Created by Cymru82 (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Espada Jr., 2009 New York State Senate Leadership Crisis

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt (video game)

  • ... that players in the Flash game Cunt take control of a penis that shoots semen at an enemy vagina?
  • Comment: I am not making this up.

Created by Someone another (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Funny, yes, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the main page. Tamer things have been kept off in the past. I'm not personally taking a position, but i'm going to leave a note at WT:DYK all the same, just to see what others think. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely not, Chzz. There may not be a specific policy, but there is massive consensus against clearly no consensus for promoting it, and you are violating that by putting {{DYKtick}} here. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by blindly following policies. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The policies have been agreed through consensus - in this case, specifically, the WP:NOTCENSORED policy. If you think that a policy needs to change, or that additional constraints on the use of language are required, then we should discuss that in the appropriate places. I always abide by the consensus, and I don't believe that I have violated anything - on this page, it says, "Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it", etc. If you feel that I have acted inappropriately, then I would welcome elucidation.  Chzz  ►  18:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't edit your comment, I removed an incorrect verification tag. None of the substance of your comment was changed. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 19:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) I actually do that a lot myself, as it avoids confusion when putting queues together.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The tag was certainly a part of the substance of my comment, and the assertion that it was incorrect is your opinion; I similarly consider that your 'delete' tag is incorrect - so should I remove that?  Chzz  ►  20:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, remove it, I don't care. It is inappropriate of you to put up a {{DYKtick}} tag when there are clearly so many people objecting to it, and you've been here long enough to know that. I'm tired of listening to this WikiLawyering and I'm done commenting here; there's not much for me to say anyway, I can just sit back and watch consensus do its thing. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 21:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Two wrongs do not make a right; therefore I will not remove it. I apologise for saying, 'should I remove that?' - it was inappropriate. I resent the accusation of Wikilawyering; I am a firm believer in the process of consensus and common sense overruling policy.  Chzz  ►  03:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Sims

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Design A-150 battleship

5x expanded by The ed17 (talk). Self nom at 21:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Art is right on the latter part (I am aware of F2). I wouldn't have nommed it if I thought it wasn't 5x; much of the information that I removed in that edit was just plain wrong. (I think I did the same thing—removing the unreferenced stuff—with Design B-65 cruiser but didn't nom it because, although most of it was not referenced, it was correct). If this dosen't suffice, no big deal. :) —Ed (Talk • Contribs) 21:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry Ed, but we can't make allowance for the removal of material just on the basis that it was uncited or incorrect, that would mean a major change to the rules, one that I think would be unlikely to gain consensus. Gatoclass (talk) 07:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Elliott

Created by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Lawson (actress)

Created by David Straub (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Electrolux addisoni

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Blacketer controversy

Created by OpenSeven (talk). Self nom at 13:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pirate Party

5x expanded by Lejman (talk). Nominated by U5K0 (talk) at 12:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tăng Tuyết Minh

Created by Kauffner (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about: ... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh? That doesn't really explain why she is significant, but it's brief and factual. Kauffner (talk) 10:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with Ironholds' first suggestion, that her marriage to Ho was never acknowledged by the government? It's not cited in the article yet, but I'm sure that claim is in several of your sources, so it would be easy to cite (both in the introduction, and by adding a sentence in the final paragraph). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vegard Sletten

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Fortescue

Articles created/expanded on June 7

George Chesworth

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 10:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 17:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Valley Entertainment

  • I have often removed a presumably accidental space before the question mark according to I8, but "&nbsp;?" must have been deliberate. On my monitor, that combination removes the top of the "l" in "Evil", making it look like a dotless "i". Art LaPella (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novus Magnificat

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Upper Pine Bottom State Park

5x expanded by Dincher (talk), Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Award

Created by Sophus Bie (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Kruse (mailman)

Created by Sterry2607 (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 05:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MissingNo.

Created by Kung Fu Man (talk). Nominated by MelicansMatkin (talk) at 03:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Fontaine

Raymond Fontaine

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manning–Kamna Farm

Barn at the Manning–Kamna Farm

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook is cited with inline reference, nice job! Only reservation is would this make an April Fools DYK (in 2008 there was one about outhouses in a state park listed on the NRHP) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Varpas

5x expanded by Renata3 (talk). Self nom at 04:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Walk on Faith

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Village Diner

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Downes

Mary Wilson (broadcaster)

The woman who would be president

Otto Nielsen

  • ... that Otto Nielsen played an important role behind the Norwegian cultural scene, as a program editor of the radio magazine Søndagsposten for more than twenty years?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pauline Rita

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lenght and date ok. I see one of the article's claims are questioned in embedded cmts. Can this be resolved pls. Hook verified, though its a little underwhelming. Otherwise, the article is v good. Ceoil (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many claims are backed by articles which have not been titled. Can you provide. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm afraid those newspapers and journals did not title reviews in those days. Sometimes there would be a heading like "Theatres" or "At the Savoy", but Tim always puts complete information there when it's available, so there was no title. Feel free to alter the hook if you like a different aspect of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thrill the World

Thrill the World 2008 in Austin, Texas

Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 17:54, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St. Polyeuctus

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agricultural Museum (periodical)

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Offline ref accepted in good faith, excellent article - was this an attempt to counter my comment yesterday about a DYK having "the most cites for one hook I've ever seen"? :P. Ironholds (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep! AND thanks for comliment on article.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Chesworth

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mormyrinae

  • ... that the brains of Mormyrinae, a subfamily of African freshwater fish, use 60% of their body's energy, 3X more than humans, the animal with the next highest percentage?

5x expanded by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The researcher, Göran Nilsson, used Gnathonemus petersii since this is breed for fish keeping outside Africa and so easily available where the research was done (Sweden). His findings however identified the cause of the large brain energy consumption as due to the large size of its brain (notably its gigantocerebellum) relative to its body. This large brain relative to body size is a general trait of this subfamily of fish (I provide a reference) and so is not a peculiarity of the particular fish species that was studied. Why the large brain relative to body size causes the extremely high brain to body energy consumption is explained in Nilsson's paper cited and is summarized in the article.--LittleHow (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Strange (English politician)

Holt-Bragg Bridge

Honewort

Created by SP-KP (talk). Self nom at 09:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Velocette MAC (WD)

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Blavet

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Park, Delhi

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • 1) This hook is quite a jumble, I could barely understand what it was trying to say. 2) What's so "quirky" about the fact that the king statue is opposite the obelisk? Maybe there's some historical irony there or something, but it's certainly not something I am aware of, and the hook doesn't provide any clues. 3) I presume "King George V" should be piped to George V of the United Kingdom? King George V is a disambiguation page. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Statue of King George V was earlier located under a canopy infront of India Gate during British rule and after India's independence it was removed, like many other statues of Britsh Monarchs and officials to this desolate park where the three Durbars had been held in the past. The quirky part is that the statue is located opposite to the Obelsik, which was erected at the very spot where King George V had held his Durbar in 1911. I would appreciate if you could reword the hook.Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK. I am suggesting the following three Alternate Hooks (but in the count, the characters of 'that' , 'Pictured' and also part of dismabguation word has been excluded). I hope all hooks are within limit of 200ch.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt 3 }--- that in the Durbar held in 1911 by King George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900000 pounds
It seems that all hooks have issues with punctuation, format and even grammar. The first alt, I'm guessing, should read: "... that the Durbar held by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi's past history?" (I tuned it a bit, squeezed in more necessary links, and fixed the subjective and peacocky assertion of "glorious history"). The second: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, Emperor of India George V (pictured) declared that the British Raj's capital would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi?" (that's were the links should lead). The third: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900,000 pounds?" And lastly: "... that Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India, has now become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" (corrected the messy punctuation). Though it would be simpler and better-looking to just say: "... that Delhi's Coronation Park, where three British Emperors of India were crowned, has become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" Dahn (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the suggestions. While the tweaked and bolded alternative hooks suggested by User:Dahn are fine with me, the last preferred suggested has an issue since only British Monarch (King George V) held the Durbar in 1911 while the previous two Durbars were presided by then Governor Generals of India. I hope User:Rjanag likes any one of the three suggested now.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • (out) References and expansion check out, but I am only verifying this conditionally for now: the article is still sorely in need of a copyedit, mainly to correct improper capitalization and awkward English. Please find an editor willing to do a full copyedit. I know normally we do not need to require DYKs to be "mini-GAs", but if the problems are serious enough I do like to require a full copyedit before promoting. Also, I should mention that the article is pretty disorganized and confusing (it took me 10 minutes of searching just to find explicit mention of what the Durbar was for and that it celebrated the shifting of the capital...also, there seem to be multiple Durbars that took place throughout history, and you don't distinguish well between them, so it's difficult to always know which one you're talking about); the History section seems to jump around the timeline, and in particular the first paragraph of it is more analysis than history. That is not a problem for DYK, but in the future I strongly recomment that you work on cleaning up the organization of the article and making it flow more coherently.
  • Because so many similar hooks have been proposed, and all have needed to be copyedited, I am going to choose right now which hook to use, and what form it should be in:
That final suggestion links "Delhi" twice (WP:OVERLINK). Might I suggest delinking the second, or dropping it altogether (i.e.: "from Calcutta -full stop")? Fixed. Dahn (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops; I thought I had delinked the second, guess I missed it. I decided not to drop it because, when dropped, it's not quite clear where the capital was shifted to (you can assume Delhi, but you can't be sure). I couldn't think of any better rewording that avoids saying Delhi twice. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. And I should add that I fully agree with your comments on the article. Dahn (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 6

Louis Davis (architect), Merchant Street Historic District

Created by Joel Bradshaw (talk). Nominated by Viriditas (talk) at 10:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undulus asperatus

Created by Wikidemon (talk). Nominated by Runningonbrains (talk) at 20:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1920 Georgian coup attempt

Created by Kober (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 11:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Motorcycle training

  • ... motor officers, police jargon for motorcycle officers, go through weeks of motorcycle training where they can expect to "drop" or crash their bikes dozens, and even hundreds of times?
  • ALT1:... US servicemembers who ride motorcycles have been getting motorcycle training in sportbike riding after increases in off-duty accidents?
  • Comment: The image at the top of the article, File:Army National Guard motorcycle riders.jpg, and its caption, goes better with the alt hook.

5x expanded by Dbratland (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brett Swenson

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2006 MPC Computers Bowl

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Papal selection before 1059

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Kája Saudek

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Herman "Wimpy" Jones

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Bass

5x expanded by Frank (talk). Nominated by Moonriddengirl (talk) at 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I discussed this with Moonriddengirl here and am therefore putting her as nominator for coming up with the original hook.  Frank  |  talk  00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Codex Alexandrinus

An example image

  • ... an important manuscript of Greek Bible of unknown provenance?

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spherical wedge

Created/expanded by Anonymous Dissident (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

x This confuses 2 dimensions with 3 dimensions. The sphere article states: "In higher mathematics, a careful distinction is made between the surface of a sphere (referred to as a “sphere”), and the inside of a sphere (referred to as a “ball”)." So if a spherical wedge is a 3-dimensional object shaped like a section of an orange, it should be "... a portion of a ball bounded by two plane semi-disks and a spherical lune?" Or if you meant a 2-dimensional object shaped like the part of an orange peel that borders one section of the orange, then that would be the same as what is described at lune (mathematics)#Spherical geometry. Art LaPella (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a fair enough catch. The only problem is that my sources seem to use the terms "semicircle" and "semidisk" and "sphere" and "ball" interchangeably – but they're otherwise reliable and trustworthy. What is your suggestion? —Anonymous DissidentTalk 01:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the problem has been rectified with the addition of "note A". What do you think, Art? —Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the hook still doesn't match the first sentence. If the reason to confuse 2 dimensions with 3 is to follow the source, then should we use a different source like [1] or [2] that doesn't confuse that issue? I don't usually do references, but this Google Books search shows a long list of them. Art LaPella (talk) 23:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The sources are as good as any. It's funny, because I can't find a single source mentioning "ball" or "semidisk". All of them mention "sphere" and "semicircle". What you're saying makes sense, but are you actually quite sure you're right here, Art LaPella? —Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure a math major would flounder trying to imagine what the hook is describing. I'm not sure it's OK to get my sources from Google Books because all of them I found are from the early 20th century, presumably because of copyright. But most of them describe the sides of the wedge as "planes" not "circles", and call the wedge a "solid" to get away from the 2-dimensional meaning of "sphere". Art LaPella (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
None of the GBooks refs I could find mention it. I don't think this is a problem. It's relatively clear that, in non-rigorous contexts, they're largely interchangeable, so using the sources should be fine. They agree with everything else in the article anyway. The hook is fixed. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 07:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Google Books references I listed above mention it. But anyway, although I always let others issue green check marks, my objection is removed. Either the new hook or the new picture makes it clear what a spherical wedge is. Art LaPella (talk) 20:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

L.D. Knox

  • ... that in 1979 L.D. Knox of Winnsboro, Louisiana, had his name legally changed to "None of the Above" Knox to dramatize the lack of voter choices on the ballot?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

E.D. Gleason

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makinti Napanangka

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Virgin of the Navigators

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 09:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rachael English

The Renegades

5x expanded by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 22:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea Bridge

The illuminations of Chelsea Bridge Chelsea Bridge at night

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gumarcaj

5x expanded by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of festivals in Nepal

  • ... that during the Tihar festival in Nepal, cows are celebrated due to the Hindu belief that they are surrogate mothers to the human race by providing milk?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • passes, but I worry that the hook doesn't really reflect the article itself. Can anyone more experienced than myself comment on whether this is normally appropriate? Ironholds (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd question. The article is about a diversity of festivals celebrated in Nepal. Each festival is different so I don't know what you mean about not reflecting the article. It is a fact from a festival which is covered in the article. Dr. Blofeld White cat 16:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Csaba Balogh

Created by Mm40 (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Also, "most perspective" doesn't make sense in English. It's what the reference says, but it means something like "(one of the) best prospects". The entire reference article has a similarly foreign sound to it. Using the reference is fine, but we can't quote a phrase that doesn't make sense on the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 23:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might I add: the link for " Hungarian juniors" is to Hungarian people, but I sincerely doubt that the quote would refer to people of a certain ethnicity. It most likely refers to citizens of Hungary, and as such should be "Hungarian". Dahn (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Verne Meisner

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 13:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ss. Michael and Gabriel Church, Satu Mare

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the Cazania lui Varlaam link leads nowhere, it was created as a redirect to a locality for some mysterious purpose, and it should probably not be an article on its own. Also, book titles are rendered in italics. What's more, "one of the oldest books in the country" is an ambiguity or absurdity, and it is not itself a fact verified by the source. Romania hosts very old books, including a 9th century Codex Aureus. While it is not an autochtonous product, it is quite clearly much older than the Varlaam homily. Books have been written in what is now Romania (but, nb, not in Romanian) from the high middle ages (in Transylvania) and from the Renaissance period elsewhere, and print was adopted within a century of its invention - i.e. more than 100 years before Varlaam. Even books in Romanian (which is clearly not what the hook refers to) had been in print for several decades before Varlaaam's homily. The hook in this form is therefore unsustainable. What's more, while Varlaam's book is a valuable collector's item, its presence in a book collection is probably not interesting in itself.
Without doing the job of referencing this article (which, before I edited it, even failed to specify what denomination the church belongs to), I note that an alternative hook can be drawn from the fact that this was one of the churches restored into Greek-Catholic possession after they were assigned to the Orthodox Church. This is however only alluded to in the source used for the text, and, although factual, would require a second source stating the circumstances of this. It did receive coverage in the press (and extra exposure for being the location of street battles between the two communities), so this shouldn't be hard to pick up if someone is more interested.
And, btw, the church is not a mere church, it is a cathedral, and one may wish to change the title accordingly. Dahn (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also note the distinct and intuitive possibility that all those objects are no longer part of the cathedral collection: since they are Orthodox items and transferred during the period of Orthodox administration, it may be entirely possible that they have been moved out of the building after the Greek Catholics won it back in court. The article as is only uses one source (by all means an imperfect one - it is non-academic and rather generic, itself glossing over some essential issues); that source tells us about the objects, but it may be reliant on very old info. Dahn (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 5

Global Forum for Health Research

  • Comment: Been distracted by real life, just logging this one before the bell. I plan to whip 10/90 gap into shape as well so would be grateful if this could hang around for a couple of days. Ta! I'll also have a think about the wording of the hook - there's an interesting fact to properly tease out...

Created by Bigger digger (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is the converse also true? To me, "90% of medical research spending is applicable to diseases that constitute only 10% of existing health problems" is a bit more striking than saying it the other way around (which I had to think for a moment to wrap my head around). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian legislative election, 2004

5x expanded by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Would "most complicated" be a better way of putting it? "Most difficult" sounds awkward...difficult to what? Also, saying "was viewed" in the hook seems somewhat weasely...and the fact that all the references for this fact are from Indonesian newspapers makes it questionable (not that it's something to brag about...but really, if it's the most X in the world, other sources should have noted that as well). Finally, ref #20 is missing an original url. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the correction. By using "complicated" as opposed to "difficult", I've been able to find more reliable sources. I would like to revise the hook. Arsonal (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's an improvement. Maybe the seat allocation system was the most complicated, but there are many other ways an election can be complicated...such as the number of candidates, or the number of languages used (if you used that as the metric, Papua New Guinea would take the cake at every election). The hook needs to be a bit more specific. Controversy can also be a complicating factor; the 2000 presidential elections in the USA got pretty darn complicated too. We need to be more specific as to just what about the election was so complicated. Also, there is still the problem that, as far as I can tell, the only sources calling it the "most complicated in the history of democracy" are Indonesian newspapers. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I have added new references (19–21) from non-Indonesian sources saying that it is the longest and most complicated. One of the sources (19) also says the electoral system is unique from any other system in the world. How would you suggest the hook should be revised? Arsonal (talk) 21:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hm...those are a bit of improvement. They both seem to be parroting the claims of the Indonesian sources, and personally I have never really considered USA Today to be that great of a publication, but the UN one seems more trustworthy. The Shimzu & Hazri source is probably helpful, too, but I think you may have given the wrong page number; I can't find anything about the election on p. 14.
I'm wondering about alternative hooks as well. The article says that the elections "secured Indonesia's place as the 3rd largest democracy in the world"—what exactly does that mean? Was Indonesia not considered a democracy before 2004, and these were the first fully democratic elections that it held? If so, that could be a good hook. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 21:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Indonesia was not a full democracy because prior to 2004. It held democratic elections in 1999 for the legislature, but the president and vice president were still chosen by the legislature. In addition, elections between 1977 and 1997 had restrictions on the number of parties, and the legislature had appointed members from the military. Would the information about the removal of military officers from the legislature be good one? Arsonal (talk) 22:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights in Estonia

5x expanded by (primarily) users Offliner Peltimikko, Vecrumba and Martintg. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clancee Pearce

Created by The-Pope (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J. Frank Colbert

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

C.W. Thompson

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OR ... that Louisiana State Representative C.W. Thompson, who served from 1944 to 1951, was a former president of the Webster Parish School Board and the Louisiana School Boards Association?

Krystyna Dańko

Otwock 1942. Jews await transport to Treblinka

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure what you mean. The length of the hook is well within guidelines at around 178 characters. And, the clandestine photograph of historic value is the only visual record in existence of Otwock deportations. It might not be colorful, but it conveys a message. --Poeticbent talk 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say the photo was bad, just that it's not very useful for a DYK hook. It's still fine to have in the article.
As for the hook, yes, now that I look at it it is under the 200-character absolute limit. I guess it just subjectively looked long to me—regardless of the character count, it is a somewhat complicated mouthful. It could probably be trimmed. `rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anoiapithecus

Created by Venatico (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 00:06, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Juggernauts (song)

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • passes, but there was a previous article in that location that was blanked and turned into a redirect. Taking that into account would take this article out of the race, since it wouldn't pass the five-fold expansion requirement. Anyone more experienced know what we normally do in this sort of circumstance? Ironholds (talk) 22:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Mail Case

Loyal Arrow

  • ... that the Loyal Arrow NATO exercises in Sweden (8–16 June 2009) are the biggest aerial military exercises ever held in Sweden, involving around 2000 soldiers and 50 jets?

Created by Sander Säde (talk). Self nom at 10:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The hook is incorrect. What the Swedish source says (I read Swedish) is that it's the biggest military aerial exercise ever held in Sweden. There has of course been military exercises with more than 2,000 soldiers held in Sweden before. The hook, and the article, need to make that clear, that's it's the biggest military air exercise, not the biggest military exercise of any kind. Manxruler (talk) 15:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Farinograph

Created by Kalossoter (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Francisco Antonio Zea

Created by Mijotoba (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 4

Fahmi al-Husseini

Started. Self nom Al Ameer son (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Dietz

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Norman Moldenke

  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. Hopefully it suffices.

Created by Artichoke-Boy (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newsjack

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich

Created by Jack Merridew (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is somewhat awkwardly written and needs to be cleaned up. I would suggest just dropping the restaurant names and going with
Er, yeah, although I think the tag has merit I suspect a recipe with bacon is not going to feature in many parts of the world. I'll see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roger and Out

Created by Lost Fugitive (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aquí Estoy Yo

5x expanded by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon of Mordiford

  • ... that according to legend, the Dragon of Mordiford killed everything in its path but a young girl who had nurtured it from infancy?

5x expanded by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Bridge, London

Albert Bridge at night

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality

quick source: page 133, second paragraph from the bottom

Golden Sun (series)

Created by Haha169 (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 3

Operation Antyk

Created by Tymek (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 12:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Lawrence Sher

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LatinoJustice PRLDEF

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neher-Elseffer House

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the NRHP nom. I put a note in. Daniel Case (talk) 01:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Everything checks out now. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erasmo de Sequeira

Created by Deepak D'Souza (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations

Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think you're allowed to link the article with "claimed" the way you did. Perhaps an editor more experienced with DYK could point to the relevant guideline? — Jake Wartenberg 23:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mack Supronowicz

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of aircraft carrier classes of the United States Navy

5x expanded by Mynameinc (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Meaning of Life (TV series)

Sinéad O'Connor performing live in 2008
Sinéad O'Connor performing live in 2008
Neil Jordan met his dead father on an aeroplane
Neil Jordan met his dead father on an aeroplane
  • Do you mean the hooks themselves or is it just a matter of including the TV series. DYK is supposed to attract the reader's attention and leave them hungry for more... --candle•wicke 02:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If we start linking generic stuff such as death and fixed-wing aircraft, we might as well link every word. "that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life?"... But anyway, in this case I think the hook could be improved by somehow avoiding the "on... on..." structure and at least specifying who Neil Jordan is - profession and perhaps nationality. This hook reads like it was written for savvy Dubliners, and I'm a rather bland Bucharester. Dahn (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Huskies softball

Created by User:Mike Selinker. Self nom at 04:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luton Town 1–0 Millwall (13 March 1985)

Created by Cliftonian (talk). Self nom at 09:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Scott (boxer)

Created by Metropolitan90 (talk). Self nom at 08:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TNA World Tag Team Championship

5x expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 06:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5103/2665=1.9x. Explained at F1 and WP:Did you know/DYKcheck. There is still time to expand it. Art LaPella (talk) 06:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I'll think of somemore to add. The likeliness of that is very slim, but worth a shot. Thanks for the info.--WillC 06:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tokyo Tokyo

Jonathan Wilhite

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1... that after playing most of his senior season at nickel back, Jonathan Wilhite will return to playing that position in 2009? --Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I like the first hook better. There are lots of people who don't know much about American football and don't know what a nickel back is. But if you say that a certain football player is a funny guy, at least that gives them something to latch onto in terms of wanting to read about his personality, whether or not they care what position he plays. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World of Zoo

5x expanded by Mynameinc (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I see a lot of close wording in the article compared to the source, for example "focus on keeping the animal happy" and "eventually earning a Magic Moment from the ... animal". Shubinator (talk) 03:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the problems aren't solved; no offense, mynameinc, but I think you just don't fully understand the plagiarism guidelines. Simply shuffling words around here and there is not enough to fix plagiarism issues; you may want to read WP:Plagiarism or the very informative WP Signpost dispatch on plagiarism. As for this particular article, I think the only solution for you is to ask an uninvolved editor to come in and rewrite it, and to check each sentence individually to make sure it's not too closely copied from any sources. That may sound a little harsh, but once plagiarism concerns are raised in a certain article then everything has to be checked very thoroughly. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're probably right—I no almost nothing about video games, and have not been editing Wikipedia for a long period of time. I will try to fix the article. The only reason I edited this article was I seen a worthwhile article almost get deleted because the original contributor made an advertisement instead of an article. mynameinc (t|c|p) 23:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I made another attempt to fix the article. It was probably in vain, so I asked for help at WP:VG. mynameinc (t|c|p) 23:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laser Ghost

Created by MacMed (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nouvelles Extraordinaires de Divers Endroits

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Château du Grand Jardin

Château Grand Jardin

Created by Wetman . Self nom at 03:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I was the writer, but the way I completed the template didn't have the intended result.--Wetman (talk) 00:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 2

New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Created by RMThompson (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The link for ref 4 is dead, and a large portion of the article is sourced to that ref. Also, do you have a more interesting hook? I think it's standard for console games to support multiplayer for 4. Shubinator (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both those hooks sound somewhat like advertisements; the first ALT can be salvaged just by removing the "first" stuff. The second I think is without hope...also, it's not exactly accurate (I recall some of the games for original nintendo where you could play multiplayer in that weird sewer thing, and also Super Mario 3 had "multiplayer" turn-taking gameplay, so the distinction is more subtle than just being the first or not the first to have multiplayer). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 23:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barry Wood (singer)

Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dublin Women's Mini Marathon

Dana Delany viewed several thousand women race

  • She's that desperate, huh? Kidding aside, I don't think a hook placing her in the audience at an event involving at least 40,400 people makes for a good DYK. I mean, it could be used for just about anybody else in the attendance who happens to be notable (the article itself casually mentions four others, if I counted right). Is this really the only interesting fact from the article, or was this the only possible hook to come with a picture? Dahn (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nope, I just thought it would have a certain amount of international appeal as I believed (wrongly now it seems) that Desperate Housewives was a popular television show internationally and in the US where most of the readers are as well. I often discover these things at DYK, i.e. that certain people or items are not as popular as I thought or indeed are more popular on some occasions, I apologise for this being one of those unfortunate occasions. I thought it was quick, catchier, more DYK-like to include one rather than a list of minor Irish celebrities but if it is better to include a few then I have no problem with that at all. :) However, I don't see what is desperate at all about a notable woman (or any woman indeed) attending what is a major world event for women. --candle•wicke 00:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just checked - I think those you were referring to were participants. Miss (or Mrs, perhaps? I suspect it doesn't matter anyway since she's not all that famous) Delany just stood on the sidelines watching... I never bothered to question why but there must be some attraction if she happened to be there on a Monday afternoon. --candle•wicke 00:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, my bad about the participants vs. spectators bit. That said, I still think that her being a mere spectator, regardless of the notoriety, is not the best of hooks, but I'm really not imposing this view on anybody else. Per the passing mention in the source: "Dana Delany (51), who plays Katherine Mayfair in the US TV drama, was among the thousands of admiring spectators watching the hordes get ready yesterday for the 27th Flora Women's Mini-Marathon (emphasis mine)." (And, yes, I knew about the show, and you're right about it being well-known, including where I live.) "However, I don't see what is desperate at all about a notable woman (or any woman indeed) attending what is a major world event for women." - here I was just making a pun on the title of her show and how the hook sounds when read out loud, not a serious commentary about the event itself. Dahn (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I cannot find another verifiable and notable spectator though and thought it was more unusual for someone like her to simply watch when notable people seem to regularly participate. I also thought the theme fitted the overall ideals of DYK and would interest anyone reading. --candle•wicke 10:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy XIV

Created by Falcon9x5 (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 02:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Lover (film)

5x expanded by Collectonian (talk), LiteraryMaven (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT1:... the 1992 French film The Lover was filmed on location in Ho Chi Minh City, except for the explicit sex scenes, which had to be filmed in Paris?

List of CZW World Tag Team Champions

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 01:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Broadcasters of the Philippines

Created by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Cellier (actor)

  • ... that actor Frank Cellier toured in Britain, Germany, America and South Africa from 1903 to 1920, appearing only once in London, before beginning a West End career?

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Lipchis Way

Created by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was taught at an English grammar school (state school for the more intelligent) to always use "an" before words beginning with "h", but that was a long time ago. I see from re-reading the text (Advowson section), which is even older, that they used "a hundredal", so I guess either version is technically correct in British english. I may have missread the spelling or I may have got it from a different source such as the church's own guide book. I am changing it to hundredal.--Charles (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've tweaked the hook so that "Iron Age" is capitalised and "hill fort" is linked. Nev1 (talk) 15:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Er, but the point of DYK is to direct folk to the newer/updated article, so they can contribute. That's why only one thing - the main article - is linked. Presuming that they are linked within the DYK-notable article, I am unlinking them here. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:50, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strangers (thirtysomething)

Tales of Monkey Island

Created by S@bre (talk). Self nom at 15:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motor theory of speech perception

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • None of the hooks proposed are inaccurate per se, but they do give the impression that motor theory is still more "in the mix" than it really is. No need to get into a long and technical discussion, but I'm pretty sure that nowadays the motor theory, at least in its original strong form, is more or less discredited—of course there are still things about it that are on the right track, but most of the current psycholinguistic literature I am familiar with takes it with a grain of salt. So I would be more comfortable with a hook that doesn't make it sound like a specific contemporary theory, when it's really more like one end of a continuum. One possibility would be a hook saying something about the McGurk effect, which is the crowdpleaser part of motor theory anyway ;). (and, just for the record, I made this same mistake several months ago with my hook for Cohort model, so I'm not perfect either.) rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 06:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hock says proposes. Perhaps it should read "the motor theory of speech perception is a hypothesis that proposes ..." to emphasize that this is a claim by the theory not a statement of fact about speech perception. I am not a supporter of the theory. But it is part of the landscape--though not held inmuch regard by those researching speech perception, it has gained much interest by those researching mirror neurons.--LittleHow (talk) 11:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, that's why I said it's not technically inaccurate—because the theory does propose that. It's just that the hook, written in that way, does inadvertently suggest that the theory is contemporary (it's not your fault for writing it that way; that's just what people assume when reading it). Maybe something like "Liberman's motor theory of speech perception, first published in the 1950s, proposed that...". I will do some brainstorming and see what I can come up with.
  • (on a side note, speaking of mirror neurons...have you been following the ruckus going on for the past week or two about the new Caramazza paper? It seems to be getting pretty wild...) rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:11, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Theory is still held as valid by many contemporary scientists. Though we might consider the theory wrong or mistaken, many do not for example at the Haskins Laboratories and those that research mirror neurons. As Hickok in his "Eight Problems for the Mirror Neuron Theory" has noted "The motor theory of speech perception had been all but abandoned among the majority of speech scientists when mirror neurons were discovered, but has enjoyed a healthy revival since." page 1238, Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience, 2008, 21:1229–1243. We may not agree with that "healthy revival" but it exists. The second problem is that even though the motor theory of speech perception may be wrong as an account of complete speech word recognition, it still addresses a puzzle for which science has no explanation. Why do do we subjectively hear a common initial /b/ "sound" to the words, "buy", "boo", "bar", "bee", "bay". Acoustically, the spectrograms do not look similar. Yet oddly, they are pronounced with the same initial motor movement. The theory may be wrong for how we identify whole words but it still offers an account for this phenomena. The jigsaw puzzle pieces in this area of science are still in the process of being fitted together--the motor theory of speech perception has changed in the past and we cannot rule out that it will be accepted in a modified form for some very limited aspects of speech perception such as the perception of subword fragments.--LittleHow (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As for the phenomenon of why we hear /b/, you're right that that is one of the ultimate questions in linguistics today (esp. psycholinguistics, neurolinguistics, and phonetics)...in addition to motor theory, some of the other ideas still in the running are locus equations, and the spectral "templates" proposed by Stevens & Blumenstein back in the 80s...and then, of course, some theoretical phonologists might just say that we don't hear /b/, we just think we do because of our lexical knowledge. Motor theory is still, of course, the best explanation for things like the McGurk Effect, so bits and pieces of motor theory must at least be on the right track, although of course a lot more things are going to have to be taken into account if we are ever going to have a fully developed account of speech perception.
  • Anyway, that being said, you have allayed my concerns about the hook and I guess there's not a huge danger of "misrepresenting" the theory, so I won't hang this nom up anymore over that. I will keep trying to brainstorm, though, because I think we can make the hook a bit more "hooky"...in its current wording, I think I would have a pretty difficult time understanding it if I didn't already have several years of background in this stuff. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 1

List of Smurfs video games

  • ... that Smurfs video games have been released for numerous game systems starting with Smurf: Rescue in Gargamel's Castle released in 1982 for the Atari 2600?

Created by MuZemike (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 05:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Tubridy Show

Lauritz Sand

Created by Oceanh (talk), Manxruler (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook would carry more force if it was of the form "<some authoritative historian> said Lauritz Sand was the most intensively tortured...". The main citation is not in English so it hard for me to be more specific. hth Woz2 (talk) 14:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well... That's going to be a bit harder, seeing as we have loads of authoritative historians saying that Sand is "said to be the most tortured Norwegian in WWII", but they themselves don't directly say it. So, with that in mind, I suggest a different hook:

Cooktownia robertsii

Created by John Hill (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Although it seems very probable that it is so, you haven't actually provided a cite for the claim that the plant is named after Lewis Roberts. Gatoclass (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although I have not been able to obtain a written confirmation that this species was named after Lewis Roberts, the discoverer of this orchid; I have been able to confirm this with Lewis Roberts himself and Jeannette Covacavitch, who was a Curator at the Queensland Museum at the time and knows both Lewis and the taxonomist DL Jones, who named it, very well. So, although I have no written evidence - the evidence of the people involved makes it, I believe, beyond question. John Hill (talk) 01:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC) I have just been told that this is recorded in the article: Jones DL (1997) "Cooktownia robertsii, a remarkable new genus and species of Orchidaceae from Australia." Austrobaileya (1997) 5 (1), 71-8. I don't have immediate access to the article to check this - so I have written to Kew Gardens to try to obtain a copy. John Hill (talk) 01:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Personal communication is not considered a valid source on Wikipedia. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 05:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I put in a request with my university library. Sometimes they manage to get these things to me in a day or so, other times it takes over a week. I'll keep my fingers crossed. If I do get it, I can e-mail you a pdf. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If not, we can just drop the clause about Roberts and go with the rest of the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 01:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I finally got the reference paper sent to me courtesy of Kay Beumer, Librarian, Client Communications and Information, Dept. of Environment and Resource Management, City East QLD 4002. E-mail: kay.beumer@derm.qld.gov.au !!!! I have added the appropriate reference to the pages in the paper which clearly state that the genus was named after Cooktown and the species after Lewis Roberts. However, I am probably too late now - or am I? John Hill (talk) 09:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it figures...I just received the paper this morning, and now you don't need it anymore! rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Life without Death

Created by Simpsons contributor (talk). Nominated by David Eppstein (talk) at 20:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I'm going to make the same comment about this that I made earlier today here at DYK about a US footballer's biography: as a lay person, I can't really understand this WP entry (or indeed some of the others to which it is related). I have never heard of a cellular automaton, and it is kind of all downhill from there, into infinite grids of cells, and "oscillators" and "spaceships". There is clearly some really interesting research involved here, and I can grasp fragments of it, but if the job of an encyclopedia is to communicate to the 'person in the (virtual) street' information that might hitherto only have been written about by specialists, then this article isn't quite ready. It needs a separate lead section to summarise the article; then at minimum an intro para that covers what a cellular automaton is, and what this whole field is about, before starting to drill down to particular results of / theories within the modelling (I'm assuming we're talking modelling here), such as "Life without Death". I wouldn't take this article to DYK until this issue has been addressed: otherwise someone is going to click through from the front page and just go "WTF?" I'd like to help, but I don't understand the material enough to even hazard an edit. Regards. hamiltonstone (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have occasional geek moments but would agree with hamiltonstone. Conway's Game of Life, an idea I recognise, is a much more approachable description of this topic, whilst I don't know if the technical information in the hook will allow the average user to appreciate it. We could tag the article with the {{tootechnical}} or whatever the actual template is in the hope it can be improved. Then I would suggest an ALT hook about Life and Death being a matter of maths and ladders or something... Bigger digger (talk) 08:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comparing it to Conway's Game of Life is hardly fair: that's a longstanding article with a huge edit history and a huge literature to draw on, while this is a brand new article (why it's at DYK) on what is admittedly a more specialized related topic. And, while obviously intended as constructive, I don't find your complaints specific enough to be particularly useful. But I have revised the article in an attempt to make it more accessible and in an attempt to make it come across less as "maths and other stuff I don't like". —David Eppstein (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Gustav (1990)

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I disagree, Hurricane Bertha caused nine deaths. I think the hook should state what it implies directly; ie. that it was the only hurricane over Category 3 on the Saffir Simpson Scale. ceranthor 20:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa K. Wyatt

  • ... that actress Lisa K. Wyatt has appeared in more than 150 film, television and regional theatre credits, including The Office?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 04:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Labor Relations Commission (Philippines)

ALT: ... that the NLRC is a commission organized by the Philippine government to resolve disputes between an employee and an employer?Created by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 30

Aces and eights (blackjack)

Aces

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that no matter the house rules, in blackjack it is always best to split aces and eights? Stevage 07:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or how about "... that in blackjack, it is common advice to always split aces and eights?" Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 10:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are losing the fact that it is statistically optimal in the two revised hooks that have been submitted.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<I think the main problem is that the original lead was really wordy about casino rules. Isn't it simpler to just put "casino rules" or "casino's rules". Or, since most of the situations in the first edit have to do with card plays and betting, how about this:

Malik Jackson

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dull hook. Play football long enough and you will eventually recover a fumble; noting when it was doesn't make it any more interesting. If it was a game-winning touchdown, maybe. Daniel Case (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1 ... that Malik Jackson has played all defensive positions in his professional career? Not sure if that's better.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 18:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Five times expansion OK. Can't see a citation for the ALT hook. As a non-American, can I comment that this article is pretty much incomprehensible. That's life once one gets into technical things I guess. But to give a few examples: "two year starter"; "force fumbles"; "sacks and tackles for a loss"?? Even the word "sophomore" is not used at all in Australia or the UK (or perhaps other countries) and while I know it is to do with the year you are in at school, I have no idea which year. Not sure if there are any standards at WP for readability for these kinds of things, so I will leave it in the hands of other editors, but I also note a number of these terms are not wikilinked, so there isn't the opportunity to go elsewhere to find out what they mean. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed all of the ones you mentioned on their first occurance or only occurance, and the alt hook in sourced in refs 3, 6 and 7 but only position by position.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks heaps - the links and rephrasing make it more comprehensible. Re the hook - I'd like other views on this, but since a reader (like me) wouldn't know what the defensive positions in this game are, even if i were to go one by one through the three refs to see he'd played these three positions, I wouldn't know that that was all the defensive positions. To work that out then is OR on my (the reader's) part. I just don't know whether this should be considered good enough, rather than finding a ref which says "he has played all defensive positions". Sorry if I'm being a pain. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem I have to say if one person's not understanding it, probably a lot won't understand it, but I'm still of the belief that the original is the best option available.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 00:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Czesław Madajczyk

5x expanded primarily by Piotrus, Poeticbent and Molobo. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 08:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Try this as a shorter version:

I hope that helps. :) Pastor Theo (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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