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May 27
May 27, 2024
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RD: Bette Nash
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit), Highresheadphones (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
World's longest serving flight attendent. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bill Walton
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Awards section lacks inline citation, but most of it is cited in the prose. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
May 26
May 26, 2024
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Tel al-Sultan massacre
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by [[User:talk) 23:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)|talk) 23:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:talk) 23:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:talk) 23:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BTel+al-Sultan+airstikes%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Tel+al-Sultan+airstikes&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])
while it is on ongoing, the incident is getting a lot of press. It comes in light of 3 euro recognitions of Palestine and even france spoke out against it.37.252.94.207 (talk) 23:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 Indy 500
Blurb: In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 (Post)
Alternative blurb: In auto racing, Josef Newgarden wins the Indianapolis 500 for the second year in a row, becoming the 6th ever driver to do so.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by TheBlueSkyClub (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Josef Newgarden, once again wins the Indy 500, I didn't watch the race, apparently another last lap pass? But, he gets it 2 in a row. Altblurb is for if we should mention it. User:TheBlueSkyClub (Talk) 00:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Would like to see more expansive sourcing in the "Summary" bullets, rather than just one tag at the end of the paragraph(s), but otherwise seems good to go. Good amount of prose regarding the race itself. The Kip (contribs) 05:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough, decent summary of the race and all the other preceding action, and more than good enough sourcing. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is very extensive and is in a great shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support alternate blurb as it seems relevant to mention he got two in a row. Tableguy28 (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There are reference gaps all over the article. Length doesn’t imply good shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 IIHF World Championship
Blurb: Czechia has won 2024 IIHF World Championship that took place in Prague and Ostrava. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In ice hockey, Czechia defeats Switzerland to win the gold medal at the 2024 IIHF World Championship.
News source(s): IIHF, AP News, The Boston Globe, TSN, Forbes, Radio Prague International
Credits:
- Nominated by Martin Tauchman (talk · give credit)
Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the article is substantially lacking in prose. I'll see if I can rally the troops at WikiProject Ice Hockey to improve it. The Kip (contribs) 05:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on quality and importance. Neither the main event or final articles have any substantial prose, so are way short of meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Also no evidence that this event gets enough coverage to justify inclusion on ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability I think the event is of importance but Oppose on quality as the article has very little prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) 2024 Lithuanian presidential election
Blurb: Gitanas Nausėda (pictured) is re-elected president of Lithuania. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Yoblyblob (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive enough. Bremps... 23:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major enough of an event to warrant entry. Scu ba (talk) 03:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Bearas (talk) 06:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
(Attention needed) 2024 Indian Premier League final
Blurb: In cricket, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the 2024 Indian Premier League final (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: In the Indian Premier League, Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad to win the finals (player of the final Mitchell Starc pictured)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Congrats to KKR. ITNR event. Ktin (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article text on the match is sourced solely to a scorecard. The nested tables violate MOS:ACCESS and the colour schemes of the table violates WP:COLOUR (and not enough contrast between black text and green colours). Background section also needs some more sources, and more context to explain each team's route to the final. Also bunch of WP:WEASEL words in the match summaries (thus causing an orange tag to be appropriate). Parent article is also junk with no decent text, and we shouldn't really be encouraging people to create a final article that's just slightly less junk just so they can post it here. And image in infobox is possibly not a valid fair use. All in all , way short of WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. I have fixed the weasel words issue, if any. Do not agree with most of the other assertions above. Ktin (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging MNWiki845 as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Text is still sourced almost entirely to scorecards, better sources that actually verify the information in text should be used. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Tagging MNWiki845 as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support The sourcing/tables issues seem to have been fixed, and there's a good amount of descriptive prose for a sports article. The Kip (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article look good to me but I'm not happy with both blurbs. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think this should be on the news section because this is quite an important event in the Indian Subcontinent and other parts of the world. This was also there last year, when CSK won the IPL, and it wasn't too bad. In fact, it made a few more cricket fans in the world. One thing, is that the blurbs have a lot of scope for improvement. SunnyMoon404 (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's ITN/R, so notability is assumed. The Kip (contribs) 19:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Still a few citations needed. Could do with an "Aftermath" section too, which is standard for sporting events, for reactions and suchlike. — Amakuru (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thanks. I have fixed all the [citation needed] tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it still ought to have one, that is part of the basic structure of a sporting final article and would certainly be required for a GA run and to be considered as covering all aspects of the topic... But I guess for the "minimum" standard of ITN it's OK. Striking my oppose and you can go ahead and post as far as I'm concerned. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: thanks. I have fixed all the [citation needed] tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
May 25
RD: Johnny Wactor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3], [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Created by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)
- Updated by EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit), SpaceGeek756 (talk · give credit), Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 05:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. Article has 92 word long prose, of which nearly 45 words are about his death. Also, Filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Cannes/Palme d'Or
Blurb: Anora, directed by Sean Baker, wins the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article needs more prose and some other work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability for now but wait until some more work is done on the page, then I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is WP:ITNR, so only consideration is article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough prose compared to the enormous amounts of tables. Thus, fails WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard M. Sherman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American songwriter Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 2024 May 25 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and a yellow tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Grayson Murray
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Sudden death of a professional golfer. Natg 19 (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Confirmed suicide. Anyway, I support posting this tragic death. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks ready to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Canonisation of Carlo Acutis
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Blurb: Carlo Acutis is canonised by Pope Francis, becoming the first millennial saint recognised by the Catholic Church (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pope Francis recognises a second miracle attributed to Carlo Acutis and canonises him as the first millennial saint in the Catholic Church
Alternative blurb II: Pope Francis starts the canonisation process to recognise Carlo Acutis as the first millennial saint
News source(s): Reuters,
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
- Created by Slugger O'Toole (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SNUGGUMS (talk · give credit), BoldGnome (talk · give credit) and Rafaelosornio (talk · give credit)
- Comment I think we should at least wait till he is officially canonized, as far as I understand, process has just started and the ceremony will take place later. Also, have we ever posted a canonization story before? PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- We posted Pope John Paul II's in 2014. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This is notable for being the first millennial, but has Acutis actually been canonised? It does not seem like it. Looking through the archives, the canonisations of the Martyrs of Otranto and Laura Montoya (first canonisations of Francis), Francisco and Jacinta Marto, Marie-Alphonsine Danil Ghattas, and Mariam Baouardy were not posted; canonisations of Mother Theresa, John XXIII, and John Paul II were posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Classicwiki: I believe that the Pope just started the process by recognising the second miracle and that's why I worded ALT2 to cover that eventuality because I knew there might be a discussion about the correct wording/tense for it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'll 100% support this once it actually happens. That's what we did for John Paul II in 2014. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability but wait until canonisation has occurred, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
May 24
May 24, 2024
(Friday)
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RD: Doug Ingle
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Nominated by InedibleHulk (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Quadrophenia Fan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
It's the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida guy; he was 78. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose four cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Enga landslide
Blurb: At least 100 people are killed in a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least 100 people are killed and 3,000 more remain buried by a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province.
Alternative blurb II: At least four people are killed and three thousand presumed buried by a landslide in Papua New Guinea's Enga Province.
News source(s): ABC, Papua New Guinea Post-Courier, RNZ
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Created by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)
May want to wait until the death toll is a bit more settled (and the article lengthened), but reports are suggesting at least 100–300 and potentially up to 1,000 people were killed. The Kip (contribs) 17:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, mainly due to the high death toll. Quake1234 (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment If 3,000 are still buried, it's "potentially up to" 3,000 dead. Maybe a source doesn't say it, but people need air to live. Do any sources say 100 are confirmed dead? If not, neither should a blurb. Leaning Wait here. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is reasonably sourced, probably will get longer as the search for survivors continues. As long as the blurb uses "at least X" where X is the confirmed number of dead or missing, we're good - updates to that number can be made per request at ERRORS. --Masem (t) 17:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability and quality. I'm not opposed to waiting a little while, but this is an incredibly rural area -- it's hard to say how long it will be before there's an accurate death toll. Estreyeria (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and 3,000 buried is a huge toll. Tragic event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support for grave loss of life. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - article looks decent enough for posting. BabbaQ (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major disaster, definitely noteworthy. Hope the death toll is lower than feared. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: , this has been marked ready for around seven hours - anyone willing to post? The Kip (contribs) 03:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll look into it. Schwede66 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted I'm surprised that nobody here commented on the article's lead; it was a complete mess. I had to rewrite that so that the original hook (which I've chosen) has any resemblance to what the lead says. It sounds like we'll be updating this item frequently as more info becomes available. Schwede66 03:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm more surprised that Wikipedia turned one hundred feared, presumed and suspected deaths into actual deaths. This wasn't good enough for one duck last May nor OK for one militant leader three Mays ago. A shitty lead is relatively normal. Still, though, thanks for cleaning it up. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks to Stephen for cleaning that up. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted I'm surprised that nobody here commented on the article's lead; it was a complete mess. I had to rewrite that so that the original hook (which I've chosen) has any resemblance to what the lead says. It sounds like we'll be updating this item frequently as more info becomes available. Schwede66 03:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll look into it. Schwede66 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kabosu (dog)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC, NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
The dog behind the Doge meme. No doubt famous enough but I'm not sure if the target article is problematic for RD because the subject is the meme. There's a section about the dog. Johndavies837 (talk) 07:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support the section about Kabosu can probably pass GNG if split off into its own article. Juxlos (talk) 08:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is there a biographical wikiarticle on the deceased dog? I think we need that for RD purposes. --PFHLai (talk) 08:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to lack of a separate article. That's the basic bar to clear for RD. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Splitting out into Kabosu (dog). – robertsky (talk) 08:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Adjusted target article to Kabosu (dog) from Doge_(meme)#Origin_and_pronunciation. – robertsky (talk) 08:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @– robertsky. Looks good now. Johndavies837 (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Adjusted target article to Kabosu (dog) from Doge_(meme)#Origin_and_pronunciation. – robertsky (talk) 08:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Splitting out into Kabosu (dog). – robertsky (talk) 08:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very notable dog and meme in the internet community, no need to elaborate further. RIP GodzillamanRor (talk) 08:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support – robertsky (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I can't help thinking that if we had a person who was only notable for their face appearing in a famous meme, we wouldn't have an article per WP:BLP1E but they would have been mentioned at the article about the meme instead. No doubt I'll be proved wrong on this because of the amount of total trivia that finds its way into WP, but technically we shouldn't. IAR, but I think this would have been fine to post with a link to the meme (when it contained the dog bio). Black Kite (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- My concern too. The notability of the dog is just barely there, yet all of the content of that article, within context of the Doge meme, is wholly appropriate there. It would be far better for not having a standalone article. Given that the coverage of the death has been covered in major sources (I've added the BBC and NYTimes articles), its clear that a mention at RD is appropriate, even if the section about the dog was religated to a section of the Doge meme page. Remember that RD doesn't require a separate article, that's only one of the conditions that we look for to automatically consider for an RD, but we're not bound to post an RD that doesn't have a separate article. --Masem (t) 12:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- David Brandt comes to mind. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very famous dog. Almost everyone knows doge meme. Charles Dong (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Safe travels doge. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the very similar case of Balltze was originally written by me with the dog's real name, then it was moved in discussion to Cheems, the dog's internet meme personality. I said I supported that move as long as the page was structured and categorised as if it were talking about a meme. There is honestly no need for two articles as they're symbiotic of each other - the meme could not exist without the dog nor would the dog be anything without the meme. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's a dog not a person. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ITNRD:
An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths
SWinxy (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)- So
the only personnot covered by ITN is the Magpie River (Quebec). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)- One has to remember that the ITNRD standard is only establishing an automatic guideline to quickly pass RDs as long as quality is met. Other "deaths" absolutely can be considered but they don't have the simple RD test, and significance or appropriateness will need to be debated in addition to quality. So should a major body of water completely vanish due to global warming or some other means, it would seem reasonable to argue a possible RD (though depending, a blurb might be better). I think editors are more comformable with "death" being attributed to when a living biological thing ceases to be, rather than a metaphorical death (such as the proverbial death of Twitter with the recent changes to domains at X.com), but we should not be blind to where such cases may merit being in the RD line. Just that it will take a bit more debate to judge significance. — Masem (t) 16:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, it's not a major body and will outrun us all, thanks to its protective lawmakers! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The Whanganui River seems to also be legally a person. 115.188.127.196 (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- One has to remember that the ITNRD standard is only establishing an automatic guideline to quickly pass RDs as long as quality is met. Other "deaths" absolutely can be considered but they don't have the simple RD test, and significance or appropriateness will need to be debated in addition to quality. So should a major body of water completely vanish due to global warming or some other means, it would seem reasonable to argue a possible RD (though depending, a blurb might be better). I think editors are more comformable with "death" being attributed to when a living biological thing ceases to be, rather than a metaphorical death (such as the proverbial death of Twitter with the recent changes to domains at X.com), but we should not be blind to where such cases may merit being in the RD line. Just that it will take a bit more debate to judge significance. — Masem (t) 16:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- So
- WP:ITNRD:
- Support Article looks good, adequate coverage and everything looks to be fine. Ornithoptera (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The ITNRD is explicit that individuals with an article are automatically eligible for RD. This dog did not have an article until today, and is really only notable for 1 event so probably shouldn't have one. The split out into a separate article was done in good faith, but I view it as not correct and we should never be changing article structures out of the blue just to satisfy ITN rules. I don't think we should post this unless it's as a blurb. — Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This wasn't automatic, though, the humans decided it manually (and 18 is old for a dog, so you know how I'll vote). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Having a separate standalone article is only a criteria to quickly allow for an ITNRD, but an RD is not required to have one. Masem (t) 16:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Kabosu was clearly a very important dog, definitely passes GNG. Rest in peace. Di (they-them) (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Amakuru, and further, this was... almost corrupt. Splitting off a portion of an article just to qualify for WP:ITN, deliberately creating a coatrack? Nonsense. The day what's important to us is what the erstwhile "internet community" tells us is the day we should — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serial Number 54129 (talk • contribs)
- Very posted much RIP bow 🐶 -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
May 23
May 23, 2024
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RD: Ángeles Flórez Peón "Maricuela"
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Considered the last female socialist militant and, apparently, one of the last of the veterans of the Spanish Civil War. Her article is not long, but I think it is long enough to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 10:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Caleb Carr
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Well known American author. The article needs some work but is not in dreadful shape. (The Alienist may be the best work of historical fiction I've ever read.) Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nominator said, article needs some work. Publication section needs more sourcing and the career sections needs to be divided into multiple subsections. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I and others have done some extensive copyediting and sourcing. All of his works appear to be now sourced either in the tables directly or are already cited in the body of the article. Also, I've broken up the career section into three subsections for easier navigation per the suggestion by PrinceofPunjab. I did add a single CN tag for a claim that I could not find the source. But the claim doesn't strike me as controversial, and I don't think that's enough to stop posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Morgan Spurlock
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American documentary filmmaker and television producer. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support given his critical acclaim on his documentaries. Lunsel (talk) 15:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support: the lack of sources across various sections is a concern, but he's definitely notable enough, and the article is generally in good shape. Oltrepier (talk) 16:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Super Size me was huge at the time, it was nominated for an Academy Award, and it actually impacted the fast food industry. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Oppose Article not in good quality. Needs sourcing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've made improvements to the article's sourcing, and it no longer has any citation needed tags. Anyone else is free to make improvements to the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still a couple CN tags and the tables at the bottom are completely unsourced.-Ad Orientem (talk) 01:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TDKR Chicago 101 and @Ad Orientem, I cited most of the table. Give the article a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Weak support There's still ten unsourced entries in the filmography section, but overall the article quality has improved.Support Three unsourced listings in filmography should make the article good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I've made improvements to the article's sourcing, and it no longer has any citation needed tags. Anyone else is free to make improvements to the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support No more CN tags (having assisted a little myself) and the article looks in good shape. Looks ready for Lord Morgan Spurlock to run on ITN. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support filmography section still needs few more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There's a couple of tags re: unreliable WP:IMDB.—Bagumba (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Bagumba, it was just one credit as far as I can see. I added another source. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Rolf-Ernst Breuer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SZ (in German)
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)
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The banker who made Deutsche Bank international, but made the mistake of one sentence about a customer. Had no article until he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Darryl Hickman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Charlie Colin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9055:DE03:C73E:1FC (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
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Founding member of Train. 240F:7A:6253:1:9055:DE03:C73E:1FC (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose still has orange tags in the article. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose-the article cited unreliable sources WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- ':Oppose-As an American musician, there is not enough information about him, and I think it is difficult to consider it a popular topic.Choisieon11:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The popularity of the topic isn't a criterion for RD. It's a biographical article that's not a stub, so if it was in appropriate condition to post, it should be posted at RD. However, as noted above, it's not currently in that condition. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose two major orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
San Pedro Garza García stage collapse
Blurb: At least nine people are killed and sixty are injured in a stage collapse in San Pedro Garza García, Nuevo León, Mexico (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Oppose, tragic accident but no lasting notability. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose – There's not much here, and I don't expect expanding the article will bring it to a level worth featuring. It's a tragedy that only really impacts the lives of the people involved directly. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose literally just a bad accident and while there were deaths, something that really won't have any long term effects. Type of this were shouldn't be rushing to create articles for much less feature in ITN. Masem (t) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. The Kip (contribs) 20:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: How is this any different than any of the other crowd crushes, stampedes, nightclub fires, etc. that have been posted to ITN? Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Crushes and stampede usually have a lengthy investigation that determines the causes and steps to prevent in future.
However, unless it's a major fire like the Grenfell building, most single commercial building fires like the nightclub one are not likely going to have a long term impact if coverage, and should not have been posted, much less have a standalone article, until proven otherwise. — Masem (t) 22:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Crushes and stampede usually have a lengthy investigation that determines the causes and steps to prevent in future.
- I heard on BBC News that Mexico has started an investigation. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Case in point, I nominated a Turkish nightclub fire that killed about 30 construction workers and it failed to gain much traction to post. The Kip (contribs) 04:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It isn't, and they shouldn't have been posted either. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- really? We posted that stabbing in Australia that killed fewer people, and will have less of an effect than this will. If this happened in an Anglophone country we'd post it immediately. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Neither should have been posted, and, although we could say that a stabbing being intentional makes it slightly more newsworthy, that was still minor news that shouldn't have been posted either. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- It seems to be a serious accident because there were not a few deaths and many injuries in this case. I think this news is appropriate to alert people to prevent such a sad event from happening again. -- Ckdduq0919 04:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support --This accident, which has resulted in many casualties, is a cause for concern not only locally but also around the world, and should be a warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzhdylb (talk • contribs) 04:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose--I don't think it is necessary to write articles about small-scale accidents.--SU YIQI (talk) 05:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support--I think it is necessary to appropriately select some smaller-scale articles, such as accidents, because the occurrence of accidents serves as a warning and prevention.--Yangpeifu (talk) 05:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the job of Wikipedia in general, or ITN in particular, to provide warnings or prevention. (I find it curious that we have three users giving this as a rationale, which isn't usually brought up at all.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The last four votes above appear to all be from students of the same professor's courses (User:Hanyangprofessor2), which might explain the connection. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby Indeed. See User:Hanyangprofessor2/Module/News - any suggestions on how to improve it are welcome. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 03:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- The last four votes above appear to all be from students of the same professor's courses (User:Hanyangprofessor2), which might explain the connection. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the job of Wikipedia in general, or ITN in particular, to provide warnings or prevention. (I find it curious that we have three users giving this as a rationale, which isn't usually brought up at all.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." See also Singapore Airlines Flight 321 which got much more coverage here but also seems quite routine. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose tragic accident but it does not appear to have any long lasting impact. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. WP:LASTING. If we take into consideration that the president of Mexico said in his omnipotence that no one is guilty, that the state's governor belongs to the same party that was sponsoring the event, that the state compensated those affected in cash and none has indicated they will file complaints, that civil protection is dependent on the state government, and that the party is already promoting newer events, this is unlikely to be relevant in the future. The "investigation" will conclude that the collapse was caused by the "unpredictable" weather and no one is liable as an act of God. This article is likely to be merged or deleted in the future into a more relevant article (most likely 2024 Mexican general election#Disasters) since the event will be occasionally remembered and is unlikely to develop beyond the investigation results. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose And I'd also oppose the terrace collapse in Mallorca, but it probably says something that it and other similar accidents are not nominated. Tragic, but "routine" in the sense that it's 'just' a common accident, there is no underlying news story - no extremist sect destroying buildings, probably no corruption in the construction industry, nothing malicious. It's a human interest story of the tragic death variety, but stories like this should be considered not inherently suitable for ITN unless shown otherwise. RIP of course. Kingsif (talk) 03:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: David Wilkie (swimmer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by AirshipJungleman29 (talk · give credit)
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~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support article meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 00:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain
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Blurb: The governments of Norway, Ireland, and Spain announce they will recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state. In response, Israel recalls several of its ambassadors to these countries. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC News). (The Journal)
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- Nominated by LynxesDesmond (talk · give credit)
- Comment: this is certainly getting media attention, but they've only announced their intentions and won't actually recognise the state until 28 May. I'm undecided as to whether that would be a better time to post. Regardless, the article needs prose updates. Modest Genius talk 11:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until official recognition on May 28, then support. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 11:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per WP:CRYSTAL as said nations may change their mind in the coming week. Plus the article has quite a few citation needed tags and isn't ready for ITN yet. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like this will likely need to be re-nominated in six days when it actually happens. Hopefully time to improve the list! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor aspect of the whole Gaza situation. --Masem (t) 11:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until official recognition as per Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until May 28 when the official recognition happens, then support. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I remember we posted the Arab-Israel normalization agreements that were part of the Abraham Accords, but I believe the Israel-Sudan agreement was not posted. So the question would be whether these recognitions have the same degree of relevance as the Abraham Accords. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose minor event, not formal enough Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for May 28, then support per above. The recognition by 3 countries simultaneously with Israel's recall of ambassadors is significant enough. Brandmeistertalk 17:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the 28th per WP:CRYSTAL. I'm undecided on notability for now - I slightly lean oppose, though, as these are neither the first European/EU (most of eastern Europe) nor the first "western" (Sweden, Iceland) states to do so. The Kip (contribs) 18:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Per above, as the recognitions haven't happened yet, and notability is a bit iffy. But will reconsider on May 28. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Artificial Intelligence Act
Blurb: The European Union passes its Artificial Intelligence Act which will register and restrict AIs with high and unacceptable risk levels. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The European Union passes the Artificial Intelligence Act, to regulate artificial intelligence it regards as being risky
Alternative blurb II: EU approves landmark Artificial Intelligence Act
News source(s): CNBC, DW, Reuters,
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Created by James Tamim (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kaihsu (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Article updated
In December, it was agreed to post this when the Act was passed and the Council of Ministers has now done this. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per original consensus. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as agreed originally. James Tamim (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per previous consensus. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 10:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Jusdafax (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, as per above Luna Wagner (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the article is in good shape and I have no objection to the previous consensus. I've added an altblurb with links to extra context. Modest Genius talk 11:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support but neither blurb seems to capture larger facets of what the law does and impacts, though I'm not sure what else could be said in a concise manner, as its more about restricting AI but also its use by the govt. --Masem (t) 12:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I asked Google's Gemini to "Please suggest an ITN blurb for Wikipedia about the passing of the Artificial Intelligence Act by the Council of Ministers". Its response was
Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)EU approves landmark Artificial Intelligence Act
The Council of Ministers has given final approval to the European Union's Artificial Intelligence Act, the first comprehensive legislation of its kind in the world. The Act aims to regulate AI based on its potential risk, with stricter rules for applications that pose a higher risk to society. It is expected to enter into force after publication in the Official Journal of the European Union.- It would be incredibly ironic if we used an AI generated title for an article about AI regulation. Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- This is very much not a good blurb, being both too long and not specific enough in the information it conveys. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Such generative AIs tend to be too verbose but its headline is quite succinct and to the point. I'll add it as an ALT. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Entirely unsuitable. Modest Genius talk 13:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its headline is less verbose, but entirely uninformative. Blurbs are not headlines, and for good reason: we want to inform the reader in a self-contained way, not grab their attention to have them read a longer blurb/article behind. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's something like "The AI Act, which regulates security and transparency requirements for AI models based on their risk level, passes the EU." Masem (t) 13:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Such generative AIs tend to be too verbose but its headline is quite succinct and to the point. I'll add it as an ALT. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I asked Google's Gemini to "Please suggest an ITN blurb for Wikipedia about the passing of the Artificial Intelligence Act by the Council of Ministers". Its response was
- oppose what? sorry i spend hours doomscrolling every day and this is the first time im hearing about this which implies to me anyway that this is unimportant/self-aggrandizing Kasperquickly (talk) 13:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean that it is completely unimportant. Please also look at the explanation that the nom gave for nominating this for ITN. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Completely silly with practically no real-world impact. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support as previously agreed Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per all above. The Kip (contribs) 18:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Important and as mentioned per above, a landmark in artificial intellegence legislation and technology as a whole Normalman101 (talk) 19:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article highlights the significance of this bill and also landmark event in terms of AI and technology. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Will tweak the blurb a bit. --Tone 19:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pull. This has no relevance whatsoever. It's not on the front page of BBC Europe (https://www.bbc.com/news/world/europe), RFE (https://www.rferl.org/), RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/), FAZ (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/), DW (https://www.dw.com/en/europe/s-1433), nor Al Jazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/europe/). This seems like a completely minor event and barely worthy of a blurb. And besides, such a law has no immediate significance anyway like a law on gay marriage or something so prescient. This was a mistake to post. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that maybe some news sources dont emphasize this doesn't mean that it's unimportant, but the fact that basically no news source that I could think of that covers Europe is even announcing it even on the margins of their front page, shows you there is a broad consensus that this is not that prescient and important to emphasize. This event is, essentially, not actually in the news. If anything, it's dwarfed by NVIDIA's earnings report yesterday. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, 'prescient' is the wrong word - I meant 'salient'. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- This hasn't even been mentioned in the EU's Featured News section (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/news-and-stories_en). This clearly isn't even a big deal to the EU. It does appear on (currently) the third page of "Latest news from EU institutions and bodies" (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/press-releases_en?page=2) - but when you go to the linked EDPS (European Data Protection Supervisor)'s website, you find it's not even the most important thing to that department: https://www.edps.europa.eu/_en. Basically, it's not even, in any sense relevant to an "In the News" wikipedia section, in the news coming directly from the EU authorities. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- The fact that maybe some news sources dont emphasize this doesn't mean that it's unimportant, but the fact that basically no news source that I could think of that covers Europe is even announcing it even on the margins of their front page, shows you there is a broad consensus that this is not that prescient and important to emphasize. This event is, essentially, not actually in the news. If anything, it's dwarfed by NVIDIA's earnings report yesterday. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pull Never mind what outside news coverage looks like, our own article doesn't give any indication that there's anything at all significant about this legislation. The fact that the "Reactions" section looks like this tells me that either this is simply not notable on a Main Page level or that our article is severely lacking in explaining why it in fact is. Either way, it should not be in ITN at this stage. I would also disagree with the characterization of the previous discussion as "agree[ment] to post this when the Act was passed" - only one person active in that discussion said we should definitely post it if it passes, two said some version of we should discuss again if it does, and everyone else just vaguely said "wait." -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support The contents of the article are well established. and as per above.
- Pull per above. Whatever the deal back in December, this isn't in the news now, it does not really seem like a major story. — Amakuru (talk) 06:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that..." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Meh Seems like a classic case of mob mentality, based on nothing but collective suspicion of this being the right thing to do. Objectively, though, it was eight in a row, then four in a row, interrupted only by a meager double. By my count and understanding of nominations, the Ayes have it. As a subjectively honest man, though, misleading people with a false premise this way feels like cheating. There's no rule against it, though, so no reason to disqualify what's done (maybe just don't let it happen again?). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ars Tech
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- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
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major contributor to early mainframe computer development and established the computer history museum. Death was on 17tg but only announced on 21st. Article missing lots of references. Masem (t) 13:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- oppose Your article has a lot of unsubstantiated material and quotes in it, and most of the content in the article is unsourced. CHENG SHIYI (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Paul Parkman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Washington Post
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- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
- Created by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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American physician who helped develop the rubella vaccine. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Relatively short but meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 02:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support on quality. A good, short article. BD2412 T 15:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Milei-Sánchez diplomatic crisis
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Blurb: Prime Minister of Spain Pedro Sánchez removes its ambassador from Argentina after a diplomatic crisis with president Javier Milei. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Cambalachero (talk · give credit)
- Comment what are the precedents for posting diplomatic feuds? IIRC, the Ecuador-Mexico dispute wasn't posted despite the high escalation to breaking into an embassy. Nor was Colombia cutting off from Israel posted, as that was seen as just another page in the Middle Eastern conflict. Those examples also show this is far from the most dramatic news in South American diplomacy this year. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, Ecuador-Mexico was posted: [5] Natg 19 (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose minor squabble between world leaders, unlikely to escalate further. Natg 19 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg 19. starship.paint (RUN) 09:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Decent paragraph describing the events, but there's just not much here, just a removal of an ambassador. Even Milei says he doesn't want international relations to sour over this matter. I personally wouldn't expect significant long-term impact. It could be a domino in the chain of events, but it's not a particularly big one. If for example Spain releases advice for Spanish nationals to leave Argentina en masse, then we'd suddenly be at an entirely different scale. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Natg. In response to Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's dismissal of his ambassador to Argentina following a dispute with Argentine President Javier Milei, I don't think it rises to the level of larger national relations. Moreover, the person concerned has also stated that he does not want the matter to affect relations between countries. So I think that this element is of relatively low importance.Zhuo1221 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Opposition. The impact of the incident is not enough, although the replacement of personnel will not escalate to affect international relations.Liangyiqiao2004 (talk) 05:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:F9E2:9586:9635:4621 (talk · give credit)
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Polish composer. 240F:7A:6253:1:F9E2:9586:9635:4621 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose upon review - lots of uncited material, and one of the sources doesn't seem to support what it's cited for. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - There is unreferenced word. Jiyoon Leee (talk) 04:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sharkey Ward
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nigecunningham (talk · give credit) and Wimboman (talk · give credit)
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"Rear-Admiral Sandy Woodward said that if Ward had not disobeyed orders, Britain would have lost the Falklands Islands"
— The Times
Andrew🐉(talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A lot of unsourced material in there. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the vast majority of the article is unsourced. The Kip (contribs) 18:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the article is not in a suitable state. Andrew, it's not necessary to demonstrate importance for RDs, as I think you know. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article seemingly largely written by the man himself. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose .This article does not qualify as WP:ITNQUALITY because he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source and according to the commenters' consensus, the article is not of sufficient quality to be posted on the homepage. Hhhlx (talk) 04:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, the article has massive quality issues, but:
he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source
- Huh? The obituary is from The Times, which is considered reliable. The Kip (contribs) 17:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- OpposeThe article is good, but there are too few quotes to support the truth of the articleAYAO32269 (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
May 20
RD: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Gazzetta dello Sport, Il Post, Die Zeit, Süddeutsche Zeitung, The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Angelo.romano (talk · give credit), Gianlu2790 (talk · give credit), Lnhbm (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
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A pretty well-known name for Italian and German football fans, he was mainly notable for being one of the few players who featured in four FIFA World Cups, as well as the man who managed to score his only international goal in the so-called "Game of the Century". Oltrepier (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This nomination is also listed for 20 May, when the subject died. Suggest merge to 20 May. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Duplicated nom posted by Pharaoh of the Wizards at 20:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC) is now displaced. --PFHLai (talk) 00:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article is in good shape. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 18:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Needs references for Honors and in club career section. SpencerT•C 01:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt
Blurb: A coup d'état by the United Congolese Party was foiled in the Democratic Republic of the Congo resulting in the death of the party's founder and leader Christian Malanga. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
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Part of the wider recent African coup belt, an attempted coup by the United Congolese Party was foiled, resulting in the party's leader Christian Malanga being killed, as well as American and British mercenaries being detained. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose seems to be been a pretty quick/open-and-shut event of limited scale, likely not resulting in a lot of long-term consequences. The Kip (contribs) 00:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per The Kip, but this does qualify Christian Malanga for an RD at minimum. --Masem (t) 00:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom, per TK above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support this obviously doesn't happen often & is big news nationally, and I am troubled by the idea that "if it didn't succeed, then it's not worth posting" above. Banedon (talk) 02:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
this obviously doesn't happen often
- See Coup Belt - this is the 16th attempted coup in the region since 2020. It unfortunately has become rather common. The Kip (contribs) 02:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- From that link I can see this is the first attempted coup in Congo, so unless you amend the definition of "coup belt" to include Congo, this is not common. Banedon (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The map, sure, but the article notes that the "Coup Belt" region is commonly defined as both west and central Africa. The Kip (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article also lists seven countries in the infobox, none of which include Congo. Are you defining "coup belt" to be all countries in Western and Central Africa now, regardless of whether they've had any coups in the past? Banedon (talk) 03:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The map, sure, but the article notes that the "Coup Belt" region is commonly defined as both west and central Africa. The Kip (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- From that link I can see this is the first attempted coup in Congo, so unless you amend the definition of "coup belt" to include Congo, this is not common. Banedon (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait on RD I scanned the story for "would", "-wards" and "wever", found one. It's better now (as is a common noun). But the level of tagbombing and plausible misinformation down there could (currently) make a grown historian cry. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- And by story, I mean all the crap in Christian Malanga exclusively. An altblurb without that attached might do. No promises, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Banedon. Since we posted 2016 Turkish coup attempt, which also seemed also rather flash-in-the-pan, then it seems like we ought to post this. The DRC/Zaire has had its share of problems over the years, but coups there are rare and this is still a major issue and has been covered internationally. A decent enough article at first glance too. — Amakuru (talk) 06:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was 8 years ago. Just because we posted something similar once doesn't mean we must always do so for ever more. Also, the Turkish one lasted much longer, with more casualties, in more locations, involving more participants etc. etc. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - flash in the pan. A non-successful coup attempt can be significant enough to post, but there's bearly anything here. A guy got a few dozens people with him and attempted an arm intrusion in a couple of places that were quickly foiled, and got killed in the process. The army wasn't with him, the police wasn't with him, ... It was over before people even woke up. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This was so feeble that it seems that it was either a delusional gamble or it was instigated by an agent provocateur to prop up Tshisekedi's shaky regime. As the DRC has had ongoing armed conflict for years, killing thousands and displacing millions, this incident needs more clarity and context. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I don't understands how this was anymore feeble than Trump's Capitol storming attempt. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wait on RD, oppose coup post unfortunately too common in the Western and central African reigons, and the attempted coup happened very briefly. We very rarely post coup attempts and only when they are significant. Move to SNOW close. Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- in no way this is a WP:SNOW given there are several support votes and the discussion is still ongoing. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Any coup attempts is notable for ITN as long as the article is in good shape, which it is in this case. I think with the fact that a major party leader in the nation was also killed in the coup attempt also makes it a bit different than the others in my book. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- He wasn't a major party leader in the nation, for the most part. He lived in America. The UCP never won a seat, even there. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Minor attack which fizzled out before posing any serious threat to the government. Most media attention seems to be focussing on the fact that three plotters were dual US citizens, not the implications for the DRC or regional politics. Admittedly there were deaths on both sides, hence only a weak !vote. Modest Genius talk 11:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's well organized according to the order of progress. However, one source says incorrect(reference 2), so it needs to be corrected.
- Oppose. Unsuccessful and without obvious lasting impacts. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ivan Boesky
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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The original 1980s Wall Street super villain. "Greed is good." Unusually, I think the article is in fairly decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Only as short as it needs to be, with no glaringly apparent lies; he was 87. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Fernando Martínez Castellano
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Las Provincias
Credits:
- Nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Coincidentally, I created this article very recently to complete the navbox of mayors of Valencia, having put it off for a while due to a lack of accessible sources. Not a very long article (the man served for a few months then disappeared from public life) but not a stub. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Pretty bare bones, but basically adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support Short but sufficient. Source spot-check checks out. Curbon7 (talk) 03:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Source for birth year already in article ([6]) but can be better cited. Curbon7 (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom and supports. Jusdafax (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jean-Claude Gaudin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:
- Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
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Former mayor of Marseilles. Currently translating parts from French Wikipedia to have a more complete article. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 10:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Two sections carry orange-tags for sourcing issues. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Bishkek riots
Blurb: At least 29 foreign students, mainly from SWANA and South Asia, were injured in riots by an ethnic Kyrgyz mob in the Bishkek capital of Kyrgyzstan. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News, DW, Arab News, RFE/RL, ET,
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Created by Xaneqînî (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Xaneqînî (talk · give credit) and MrKaraRocks (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 05:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reason I opposed posting the mobbing of the plane that arrived in Dagestan, Russia from Israel. I don't think these events meet a notability threshold until people get killed or unless governments support them. And yes, I'd say the same if this happened in the USA or UK. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Unknown Temptation - these appear to be rather limited in scale, impact, and therefore notability. The Kip 20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support I would argue that large scale race riots are a rare and notable occurance with large social and geo-political consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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