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February 16

February 16, 2024 (2024-02-16) (Friday)

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Alexei Navalny dies

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Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in the Russian Gulag at the age of 47. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in Russian prison near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
News source(s): Kommersant; Sky News; Life.ru; The Guardian
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  • Support-- obvious support here. — ♠Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. ♠ 11:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- clearly a notable and significant death, especially in the midst of Russia's current condition. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael
  • Support on notability as per above --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support* One of the most important political death of recent times 51.154.145.205 (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability. Reports of this death are already the leading item of news on many publications, in Russian and English. There are some tags in the article that still need addressing. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait The report on his death is one-sided. Alexei's press secretary, Kira Yarmysh: "The Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is spreading the news of Alexey Navalny's death in IK-3. We have no confirmation of this yet. Alexey's lawyer is currently on his way to Kharp. As soon as we have some information, we will report on it." --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb2, penal colony is more precise than prison, and describing it as Russian is redundant. Giraffer (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability as a major event in Russian politics, but agree that we should be waiting for confirmation. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 2 once confirmation is in. Polyamorph (talk) 12:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 2 if/when confirmation from his team arrives Jaguarnik (talk) 12:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but wait. This is top news at the moment. However, wait until his death is confirmed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 12:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    not sure what kind of death confirmation you're waiting for - Putin's press sec has already confirmed that this isn't a mistake - but okay Kasperquickly (talk) 12:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If it's a lie, Putin's the one who would benefit from telling it. If Navalny's own side also says that he died, there's no reason both sides would be lying in the same way Gimmethegepgun (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How would Putin benefit from it, lol? what do you think Navalny's secretly kept alive in a bunker somewhere? Or has escaped prison in the middle of Siberia and is currently on the run?
    Nevermind the severe sanctions that are sure to follow together with the increased arming for the ukrainians, how on earth does putin benefit from faking his deaht? Kasperquickly (talk) 12:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Confirmation of death from Navalny's spokesperson is what we're waiting for. Polyamorph (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    how do u imagine that happening? shes living in the west hasnt been to russia in years? Think shes gonna go undercover into the russian gulag to check whats what? Even if so that would take weeks, months with preparations accounted for. Navalny's lawyer who is factualy in russia has in fact confirmed his death Kasperquickly (talk) 12:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you have a source for that? Kurtis (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    for what? the fact that she resides in the west? literally open her wikipedia article and scroll to the bottom of her biography section Kasperquickly (talk) 13:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, for Navalny's lawyer confirming his death. Which is pretty much what we're all waiting for, actually. She said he was on his way to Kharp an hour ago. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    First of all, its a he, second of all, hes already stated that at the request of his family he's not gonna comment any more on his death Kasperquickly (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The spokesperson (she) said that the lawyer (he) was on his way to Kharp. Do you have any other source actually saying the lawyer confirmed the death? You say he stated it "at the request of the family", but where did he state that? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    literally just google it before asking here
    https://t.me/novaya_pishet/43722
    Адвокат Алексея Навального Леонид Соловьев — «Новой газете»:
    «По решению семьи Алексея Навального я вообще ничего не комментирую. Сейчас разбираемся. Адвокат у Алексея был в среду. Все тогда было нормально». Kasperquickly (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are things that are easy to search and users should be encouraged to check sources themselves. However, this is not one of them - with all search for Navalny's name in Latin script pointing to major news outlets quoting Russian officials - and you would do to provide the source a bit more politely with that in mind. 2A00:23C6:ED9E:D201:D5B8:7566:E08C:C576 (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per others. Ecrusized (talk) 12:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support clearly. I think we have the RS we need (NYT, etc. citing Russian authorities). Davey2116 (talk) 12:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending confirmation of his death from reputable sources, who have yet to do so as far as I can tell. Kurtis (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for inclusion, reports for his death are the lead stories for pretty much every global news source this morning.PaulRKil (talk) 13:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, now, no 'pending confirmation' required. ——Serial 13:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are a few paragraphs that I saw that lack an ending citation (including one with a quote), so while despite being heavily cited, that needs to be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 13:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I tagged CNs on these, a total of 8. I suspect most are refs that already exist in the article and/or nearby but just need a ref reuse to cover the information. --Masem (t) 13:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support blurb on notability, but it may be too soon to say he "dies". If we're to post now, which I think isn't unreasonable, I suggest something to the effect of " is reported dead by Russian authorities". Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. Most of the news sources ends their report with "authorities say" or "penal service says". So far no independent first-hand reporting from non-government source. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for confirmation from his lawyer, and for the 9 cn's on his article to be fixed. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's a page about it: Death of Alexei Navalny. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Separate page, at least at this time, is wholly unnecessary, particularly if it is just going to be reaction kudzu. — Masem (t) 13:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support any blurb as highly notable The sum of all human knowledge (talk) 13:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blub for political murder of leading dissident in Russia. There are ten {{cn}} tags present. It would be a good idea for the nominators or others to patch up as many of these as they can, either by finding a source, or removing dubious or superfluous statements. I will take a quick look to see what I could fix in my limited time available. Jehochman Talk 14:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 15

February 15, 2024 (2024-02-15) (Thursday)

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Legalisation of same-sex marriage and adoptions in Greece

Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Greece (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Hellenic Parliament of Greece votes to legalize same-sex marriage and adoptions, making Greece the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News CNN Reuters
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This is a historic and significant development for LGBT rights in Greece, especially when they're the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalise same-sex marriage. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - is there any likelihood that this will not become law? I'm not sure whether there's another step after this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The next step for the bill is to receive assent from the president and for it to be published on the gazette. The bill was proposed by the ND government and was supported by both Syriza and PASOK, the 2 other major parties. I'm not the most familiar with Greek politics but I'd say it's fairly likely it'll become law. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose because while perhaps the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalize this, it is far from the first European country and in fact more catching up to the normal the rest of the world has. --Masem (t) 05:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Same-sex marriage is recognised in just 37 countries, that is hardly 'catching up to the normal the rest of the world has'.
    Traumnovelle (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support from a quick overview of the article it seems good enough. I don't think we should oppose a blurb just because it's not the first on the continent. JM (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per JM. The EO church and its adherents have traditionally broken more socially conservative, and while not quite as much a "woah" moment as it would be if, say, Ukraine or Serbia legalized it, it's still a notable milestone. It's the first nation in the Balkans to have done so as well. The Kip 07:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Article is impressive and detailed, though it could use a bit more historical context. Level of significance is good. Quick question: does this go in effect immediately? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Masem. While Orthodox, Greece is in the European Union where LGBT agenda is known to be prominent. Likely better fits DYK. Brandmeistertalk 08:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While the expansion on the article the past week has been significant, it isn't actually anywhere near the DYK line. Or do you think the article should go for GA? It does look pretty good. Wouldn't say that "did you know [country] legalized gay marriage in 2024" is a particularly compelling DYK blurb, though. Any particular reason you think this article would work well on DYK? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there are >30 countries in the world that have legalized same-sex marriage, so this is not remarkable. You could argue that Greece is the first Eastern Orthodox country to recognize same-sex marriage, but countries are not defined by their religion. Banedon (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose per Banedon. Modest Genius talk 11:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support - I don't think opposing this on the grounds of Greece not being the first country, or even the first European country, to legalise same-sex marriage, is the right course of action. This is still a significant development in terms of LGBT rights. And even if being a first in *something* had to be a factor (which i.m.o. it doesn't, but it could of course be argued), being the first Balkan or Eastern Orthodox country to do so should be more than enough to fit the criteria. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • For all 200+ counties, if/when they legalize gay marriage, there is nearly always a way to break down some classification of "being first in X" do to this. — Masem (t) 13:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Both France, Germany, Iceland, the Pitcairn Islands and UK laws didn't make it into ITN and it's rare for a law being passed to make it into ITN, fail to see why same-sex marriage should be any different Traumnovelle (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it becomes law, then post the legalisation. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose just as we've opposed it for so many other countries that previously legalised same sex marriages. Being an Eastern Orthodox country isn't a sufficient reason for this to be treated differently to previous countries' nominations for the equivalent legislation. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support As per above, there have been numerous countries that have legalized same-sex marriage, and the number is still growing. Decisions like this we have posted, such as in Taiwan, have usually been due to the country being the first to do so in a geographical region. While that doesn't apply here, this is also the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. I believe that, because marriage in the Eastern Orthodox tradition is said to be specifically between a man and a woman, and some Eastern Orthodox leaders explicitly denounce same-sex marriage, this is notable enough for ITN. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 14

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(Closed) 2024 Super Bowl parade shooting

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Consensus against posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Kansas City parade shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, twenty-eight people are shot, including 11 children, in a shooting during a Super Bowl parade in Kansas City, Missouri. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
A truly shocking event, even as far as shootings in the U.S. go, happening during a parade associated with one of the largest nationally-televised sporting events in the country. Unusual in that it involved multiple shooters and children were injured. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I know the people who still think we have a minimum death threshold will think this doesn't measure up to other shootings, but this being at the Super Bowl victory parade generated a lot more attention (and news coverage) than a typical mass shooting gets. The article quality is good, this is what ITN is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is business as usual in the US, not a significant number of caualities, and just because it was tied to an event like a Super Bown victory parade doesn't give it any extra weight. Vague hand waving from leaders on tighter gun control but this certainly isn't going to turn that tide. It's an equivalent argument of why we should be posting any given protest in the world without a clear larger impact. Masem (t) 16:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The "business as usual" argument would mean we shouldn't have posted the Super Bowl at all since it's "business as usual" that someone won and a new offseason begins. Many of the items ITN posts are "business as usual" in that respect. The weight comes from the news coverage, and the significance of the event is not tied to the gun control legislation that will or will not come from this. We post tons of items without "clear larger impact". Compare and contrast this article with another one-death mass shooting article that is on track to be deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes but recurring items are generally once per year if new less frequent, whereas gun shootings, and other similar mass casualty events, worldwide, are too frequent to post every single one. — Masem (t) 17:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Masem is right. Another day, another shooting in the United States. Sad routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem, and honestly, this is a perfect example of media bias and it's influence on coverage. Where and when the shooting happened does not actually change the reality that this was a small fatality incident. It just makes it a more flashy topic to cover. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if this had some notable cause I would reconsider, but I don't see much reason to post this when considering that the police say that the shooting had "no nexus to terrorism", and rather started after a dispute among three people. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per above. Unfortunately, it is an all too-common event, that just managed to find itself in a vastly more public event. While the article is good, the feasible decision is to leave it at that. Mjeims (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. It's a tragic routine, and this certainly won't spark any change. Moncoposig (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Folake Onayemi

Article: Folake Onayemi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.primestarnews.com/first-female-professor-of-classics-folake-onayemi-dies-at-59/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nigerian Professor. Article looks to be almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article looks good. Moncoposig (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Thanks for the nomination @Onegreatjoke: I think she is a good RD candidate (in part why I was working on her biography) Lajmmoore (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - The sourcing in the "Selected works" section isn't correspondent to the listed works themselves. That should probably be fixed before posting. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - issue was fixed. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 10:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I've now fixed this issue, all listed selected works are referenced Eritha (talk) 09:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Gullett

Article: Don Gullett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is of sufficiently good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Prabowo wins the Indonesian presidential election

Per nominator's withdrawal, too soon. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2024 Indonesian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Prabowo Subianto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following quick count, Prabowo Subianto is projected to win the 2024 Indonesian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): Forbes, New York Times
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Based on the quick count, Prabowo has near 60% of Indonesians voting for him. I get this is very early, but from the track record and from my experience as an Indonesian myself quick count is generally accurate with margin of error around 5%, and since he has over 50% of votes (especially 55%+), he will win without going to the second round. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait just to be safe, which would also give the newer blurbs some airtime. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Even with the accuracy of the quick count, it would be best to wait until he is elected. Moncoposig (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until he is elected. Setarip (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to a NPOV tag and an unsoured national honours section. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per WP:CRYSTAL, even if the result is very likely, we don't post projections at ITN. Once he mathematically has the majority of the total votes cast, then we can post it (once the tags are fixed of course). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:09, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: The Prabowo Subianto wikipage has orange tags that need to be addressed while we wait for official results from voting. --PFHLai (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the nomination has the election article as the nominated one, but the bio article as the bolded one. Which one is actually intended to be featured? JM (talk) 03:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the 2024 Indonesian presidential election is the one Setarip (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then that one should be bolded instead of the bio. In any case, @MarioJump83 should answer. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for ducking this question, I meant Prabowo Subianto should be the one that was bolded since I followed the Ilham Aliyev's reelection ITN nomination, but 2024 Indonesian presidential election being bolded, as I realized is more proper. And also, I think this ITN should be withdrawn as we should wait for official results that will be finalized in March 20th after some reconsideration, this nomination is going nowhere anyway. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 13

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(Closed) Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas

Not posted and closing per WP:SNOW. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 16:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States House of Representatives votes to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ United States Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is impeached by the House of Representatives, the first impeachment of a cabinet member since 1876.
News source(s): BBC ABC News AP
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Tofusaurus (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for multiple reasons. One, actual conviction in the senate is considered impossible with the Democratic majority. Two, this is nowhere close to, say, the outing of McConnell as House Speaker in terms of impact of how the gov't will function. Three, this absolutely is just political theater that we avoid featuring as news items. Just because its the first Cabinet member impeachment in more than a century is not reason for us to post this. --Masem (t) 05:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we've posted a similarly pointless/inconsequential impeachment of DJT, it'd only be fair if we've posted this as well. Kasperquickly (talk) 07:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DJT was impeached for actual crimes, where this is just nakedly political. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose impeachment of non world leader are not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A "minister" gets sacked. That's too run-of-the-mill compared to other countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, not sacked. He's still in the job, it's just that half the legislature is trying to get rid of him. JM (talk) 14:24, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose An impeachment is a charge, not a conviction. Per WP:PERP, we should stick to the presumption of innocence. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Impeachment of a cabinet member with no foreseeable consequences. Yay, more political theater. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Andrew - no conviction has been made. Moncoposig (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per BLPCRIME. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose No conviction was made. Setarip (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: David Bouley

Article: David Bouley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Thriley (talk) 01:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose as the article has widespread sourcing issues, as well as two orange tags and a maintenance tag. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 01:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Indian farmers' protest

Article: 2024 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers start a protest in Delhi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers protest in Delhi to guarantee minimum support price for crop produce.
News source(s): Economic Times [2], Associated Press [3]
Credits:

Davidindia (talk) 12:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose For the moment, they do not seem to have any special significance beyond simple protests. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if we do run this, can we replace lakh with hundreds of thousands, as most non-Indian readers won't know what a lakh is. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done. thanks Davidindia (talk) 13:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added an altblurb which also provides some additional context about the protests. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is confusing me. For example, after reading it, I don't know if the protests are ongoing, or have ended, as the article uses past tense in multiple places (such as saying the protest "saw hundreds of thousands of farmers make efforts to converge in New Delhi"), but uses present tense in other places (such as saying some farmer organisations "are leading the 'Delhi Chalo' march"). As for notability, the article does not make it clear, what, if any, impacts have come out of the protests. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the review. Will try to clean it up. Davidindia (talk) 13:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will note that after reading the updated article, the article seems to contradict itself as to whether the protests are ongoing, or have ended. The lead sentence says the protests are ongoing, but the infobox box says the date was 13 February, not 13 February-present. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No sources say that it has ended, so it's probably present. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support provided we include the farmers' protests in France and Germany too. There are farmers' protests across the EU but France and Germany have specific articles. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And in Spain, Portugal, Italy... but they are certainly not as intense and noticeable as they were a week ago. It is no longer the time. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The EU protests are still in the news. See Farmers’ Revolt Threatens Election Year Upsets Around the World which reports this as a global phenomenon. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    just because it's in the news doesn't mean it's itn-worthy at this point. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article for the German protests wouldn't work for ITN right now, as it hasn't been updated since 8 February. The article for the French protests, while being updated daily, does not contain any information about them since 3 February, meaning it would also not be suitable for ITN in its current form. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 21:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We included that last India farmer protest from a few years back, but that was farm more significant in scale. Protests like these are far too common around the globe to post every single one, and we need to use discretion. Masem (t) 21:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as the article is in horrendous shape. Unsure on notability yet. The Kip 19:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose on notability as well; I'm not seeing what makes these protests especially notable, and tens of thousands (or even just thousands, as per the article) seems fairly trivial in a nation of 1.4 billion. The Kip 04:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, oppose on quality A protest with hundreds of thousands of people is certainly notable. However, the article is currently badly written, and must be improved if we plan on posting it to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That depends on if we evaluate based on percentage or nominals. India has 1.4+ billion people. Is there precedent on which we should use? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no concept of precedent with ITN. Per WP:ITNSIGNIF:

It is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits. The consensus among those discussing the event is all that is necessary to decide if an event is significant enough for posting.

—Bagumba (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Massive protests+ unusual for india — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasperquickly (talk • contribs) 07:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - I tried to polish the article's tone a bit, but some additional sourcing and detailed information may also need to be added before posting. Right now, the article is a bit short. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unless I'm missing something, the "hundreds of thousands" claim does not appear to be sourced. The BBC and Al Jazeera sources say "thousands", whilst the AP says "tens of thousands". In a country of 1.4bn people, I'm unconvinced that this particular protest is hugely notable at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It has a source provided in the opening comment, though someone should add that to the article. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That source is talking about the size of the 2021 protests. It says "The earlier farmer protests saw huge mobilisation of lakhs of farmers ... This time the mobilisation is lower as 25,000 farmers and 5,000 tractors are likely to be part of the march." That's quite a lot, but it's definitely still not "hundreds of thousands". Black Kite (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion for blurb - please replace 2024 Indian farmers protest with 2024 Indian farmers' protest. Tube·of·Light 09:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
     Done. Black Kite (talk) 15:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until we can get a more accurate approximation of how many people are involved in the protests, and until the article is improved.
Moncoposig (talk) 17:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Addressed the "citation needed" tags. Capitals00 (talk) 07:01, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That source says "hundreds", not "hundreds of thousands". Black Kite (talk) 09:19, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No idea how I forgot to reword. Anyway, have used another source this time to state "tens of thousands".[4] Capitals00 (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whoever put the [citation needed] tag in the blurb itself, that is hilarious and I love it. Oppose because the article is too short. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan

Article: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Virtually a stub. The Kip 07:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article is a stub, it's 6 sentences qw3rty 13:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election

Stale, the election was on the 7th. Stephen 23:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Ilham Aliyev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected as the president of Azerbaijan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev wins the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election with 92% of vote
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected for fifth consecutive term following the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election
Alternative blurb III: ​ The president of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev begins a new term in office.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24, DW
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

--ShadZ01 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support? honestly not sure about this one. Article looks good to go, but "dictator wins rigged election" is not exactly a news story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is one of the "widely seen by international observers as neither free nor fair" cases, and it's a re-election. I don't think we posted his last re-election, which was of more significance, as terms were just extended from five to seven years by Aliyev himself. Moncoposig (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This election seems to me to be a continuation of the previous terms of Aliyev, and not really producing any notable shifts in policy warranting a blurb. Also, the article has a NPOV tag. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as it says above, "dictator wins rigged election" is not ITN-level news. JM (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiril Simeonovski is this really ITN/R? It's neither a general election nor a change in the administrator of the executive, as far as I can tell. JM (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JM2023: Basically, it's a re-election of a person who exercises large executive powers (note that Azerbaijan has a semi-presidential system similar to those in Russia, Ukraine, Romania and France).
  • Comment This is an ITN/R item and will remain so as long as we don't exclude sham elections, which is very difficult to do given that there are no measurable indicators on the democraticity of an election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But a re-election isn't a "change in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government". JM (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think this is ITNR. WP:ITNELECTIONS specifically says that the change in a head of state is ITNR, and this is not a change in the head of state, and I don't think this is a general election (that would probably be the parliamentary elections in Azerbijan). 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This technically qualifies as a general election in the same way it is in the countries in brackets in one of my previous comments. If the prime minister were a more powerful office, he’d probably opted to exercise an authoritarian rule from that one. I see that we’ve posted Putin’s and Macron’s re-elections as ITN/R items, so this is most definitely in the same league.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is debate about whether this is ITNR. This is not a change in the head of state or government, so it would have to be the result of a general election to qualify. Am I right in saying that the general elections in Azerbijan are the parliamentary elections? If so, we should remove from ITNR. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tecnically it is also ITNR the results of general elections [...]. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My reading is that given that Azerbaijan is notionally a semipresidential system both the presidency and parliament would count as "general elections" though I'm not 1000% up to speed on the precedents here This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wouldn't general elections have to tackle the parliament? This election is only for the presidential spot. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not necessarily. General election says In most systems, a general election is a regularly scheduled election, typically including members of a legislature, and sometimes other officers such as a directly elected president., which means that a presidential election can sometimes be considered a general election. To sum it up, a general election is a presidential election in a parliamentary system, both a presidential and a parliamentary election in a semi-presidential system, and a parliamentary election in a parliamentary republic.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds like too much of a stretch, as it would make any presidential election in a semi-presidential country a general election. Everything after your quoted sentence would count as original research. I also don't see where Putin's most recent reelection was posted. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The quoted sentence, which clearly states that a presidential election can sometimes be a general election, isn’t original research.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It states that general elections can sometimes include presidential elections. I don't see where it says purely presidential elections can be a general election. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A presidential election is different from a parliamentary election everywhere, so it’s completely irrelevant if they take place at the same time or not.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Many places have the executive determined by whichever party wins the most seats in the legislature, so no, an executive election is not necessarily different from a parliamentary election.
    Either way, I think we can apply IAR based on the principle of the rule probably being aimed at legislative elections, as 1. that's what most people seem to think of "general elections" 2. we have a separate rule for heads of state for a reason. I see no reason to make a special exception for semi-presidential states.
    If this thing is notable enough (which I doubt), it would not need an ITNR boost to its consensus. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Aaron Liu: What is the general election in Azerbaijan then? If it’s the parliamentary election, why is the prime minister unknown and the president wields ultimate power in the country? Why Macron’s re-election at the 2022 French presidential election was considered an ITN/R item, but this isn’t, when France also has a semi-presidential system?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it should be the parliamentary. I don't see the relevance of how the prime minister comes to office. Macron also shouldn't have been ITNR. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb3 dictator attempts to legitimise continuing to call himself president. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:31, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose altblurb3: Don't see how this is an improvement, and this blurb has a consecutive link that looks the same (see MOS:SOB) Aaron Liu (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2 once the two unreferenced paragraphs get citations. Otherwise, the article looks very good for a sham election in a country other than Russia and Iran. I think the second alternative blurb is most precise.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:39, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2 or a variation, seems important to note that it is a re-election rather than a change in government (without the sea of blue in altblurb3). CMD (talk) 20:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Stale, the election was on the 7th, which is older than the oldest blurb. Stephen 21:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, the results were only announced by secondary sources the second day, but that may still be too close. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:19, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability, regardless of if this is ITNR: Not a change in the head of state and was expected. Even if this is ITNR based on a wording technicality, it should be considered the same as normal presidential elections per my comment above. Note that at least 2 supports and 2Good's strike are based on the prospect of ITNR, which I've now boldly removed from the opening comment. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose scam election. would you have posted Stalin in 1940? Or Hitler? yikes... Kasperquickly (talk) 07:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - Per above. A dictator winning a rigged election and continuing to stay in office isn't newsworthy, and altblurb3 makes the entire debacle sound even less relevant. Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 09:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 3 if orange-tag is resolved – Two well-detailed articles on a dictator and his election, a government that influences politics and power in the region strongly. A subject many of our readers might be unfamiliar with. I think this is a very appropriate feature for us; a fine reason to show off our writing on this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What in the world, Aliyev's article isn't updated at all, the election isn't even mentioned in it. It definitely shouldn't be bold-linked if this is featured, and I don't think we should feature the election article at all if the article on the man isn't updated... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 12

February 12, 2024 (2024-02-12) (Monday)

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Law and crime

RD: Steve Wright

Article: Steve Wright (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Radio DJ. I'll see if I can get the article up to scratch. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, please note that the death date was February 12, and per our policy «Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated)» it must be placed there. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've moved it to the February 12 section now. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I nominated this, in the correct place, yesterday. What has happened to it? Mjroots (talk) 06:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mjroots' nomination was removed as a duplicate. The nomination belongs in the 13th as that's the date that the news broke and we usually go by that rather than the precise date of death. There's often a delay before the family makes a public announcement and this often lacks details. See talk page discussion.
The news was all over the UK broadcast and online media on the 13th and it's on the front pages of the newspapers today, the 14th, as Wright was something of a national treasure.
This made his article the top read on Wikipedia on the 13th. Knowing that there would be a lot of interest, I made sure that we had a good picture in place. I chose one of his prime and cropped it because it's fair use. It's not a common picture so it's interesting that The Times chose to crop the same picture in the same way for their front page – I wonder if they followed my lead or just used the same logic.
As for ITN, RD won't work well because Steve Wright is a common name and so some context is needed as disambiguation. But that's a perennial issue.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Andrew Davidson. Looks like I was beaten to the nom by about 6 minutes. Explanation accepted and understood. Mjroots (talk) 10:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, full of factoids. Serious nominatin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A lot of work needed on referencing. I see whole sections such as his resignation from the Breakfast Show that are unsourced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems to have been dealt with. If you can see anything else unsourced, perhaps you could add a tag (or find a source, of course)? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was one example :) I will add some tags, don't have time to look for sources right now unfortunately. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Edwards

Article: Bob Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Peabody Award-winning radio host of National Public Radio's All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Death announced today. Thriley (talk) 21:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose i mean, who is he?3000MAX (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    RD !votes should be made on quality considerations, not significance considerations, as significance ("who?") is not a factor in whether or not RDs get posted. Significance !votes are not counted. JM (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Significance is never a factor in RD noms. What matters is the article quality. Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 13:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are two CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 11

February 11, 2024 (2024-02-11) (Sunday)

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RD: Mihai Amihalachioaie

Article: Mihai Amihalachioaie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://realitatea.md/doliu-in-lumea-muzicii-s-a-stins-din-viata-acordeonistul-si-dirijorul-mihai-amihalachioaie/
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Moldovan conductor. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Isabel Mijares

Article: Isabel Mijares (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death announced 11 February. Thriley (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment only three sources and page created posthumously. I'm on mobile and don't speak Spanish so can't check notability. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 17:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her obituary is in El País. She is definitely notable. Please note that RD is not the place to question notability, only the quality of the article is to be assessed. Thriley (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my comment. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 19:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Moore (American food executive)

Article: Bob Moore (American food executive) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article was recently created. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 07:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Super Bowl LVIII

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Article: Super Bowl LVIII (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the Kansas City Chiefs defeat the San Francisco 49ers to win the Super Bowl. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In American football, the Kansas City Chiefs (most valuable player Patrick Mahomes pictured) defeat the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl.
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

— Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not Ready Somewhat surprised by the significant gaps in referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I acknowledge that this is still being worked on, though I figured I'd throw up the ITN thread because this is ITNR. I'm working on the game summary at present. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready a lot of uncited material (to be expected, it just ended) and a lot of unfilled boxes (to be expected). TomMasterRealTALK 04:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose Ah yes, the hand-egg finals. Not ready. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once ready. One of the most exciting games I've seen! BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We still haven't got this up yet? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • There are some orange tags in the article still. Natg 19 (talk) 17:57, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once ready. GG's to the Chiefs. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 05:39, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once ready per above, but it’s not quite there yet. The Kip 06:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've added a prose summary for the game, which was missing at the time of the nomination. Is there anything else specific that's missing/needs to be fixed? — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • A few sections are missing citations, especially the International broadcasting (which is a huge mess). There's also no post-game section. SounderBruce 06:51, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mahomes' MVP should be in prose and cited. —Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are swathes of unreferenced text, and the list of broadcasters looks very weird (the repetitive hook "the game was televised by" is really not necessary).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose orange tagged sections, also the TV broadcasting section violates WP:NOTDIRECTORY, as we don't need every country in the world listed. It isn't important to this encyclopedia article who broadcast it in Bulgaria or any country where very few people likely watched it. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb to mention Patrick Mahomes as per WP:ITNSPORTS. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel like Kiptum's blurb should still be the top one; it has more importance Aaron Liu (talk) 14:00, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We usually mention the MVP, and the alt blurb follows the formatting of last years blurb. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Generally, the most recent post goes on top of the group of events that occurred on that same date. —Bagumba (talk) 14:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Once ready, support alt blurb with the MVP blue link. microbiologyMarcus (petri dish·growths) 14:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The nominated picture of the MVP looks odd with him not having a helmet. I looked at the description for details and am not understanding why its source is given as Dwayne Johnson!? Andrew🐉(talk) 14:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Vandalism. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support came down to the final seconds for the Chiefs to win. Not often that happens in American (or Canadian) football. Urbanracer34 (talk) 15:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Joseph2302 on quality Support and thanks for the ping BeanieFan11; whether the chiefs had something happen in the final seconds is also irrelevant. ——Serial 15:40, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, but... this is being held up by that whacking great unsourced "International" section. Given that the international audience in most of those countries, especially in the ones where the game took place in the early hours of a Monday morning, is unlikely to be great, why do we need it? Black Kite (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For comparison, 2023 NBA Finals § Media coverage is limited to domestic coverage, while there is a standalone list 2022 FIFA World Cup broadcasting rights. —Bagumba (talk) 19:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If anything the Super Bowl might have fewer viewers overseas than the NBA Finals. Basketball is a world sport Olympic sport, NFL not so much. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:12, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is one cn left, but there's an "international" section that is holding the nomination up; what are we going to do about it? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/ways-to-watch/countries-and-languages – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Someone removed the tags. WP:NOTDIRECTORY is debateable, but the entries need to be cited if the detail is staying. —Bagumba (talk) 19:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would just delete it. It's far too big for something so trivial, anyway. Black Kite (talk) 20:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) It seems Muboshgu's link verifies just about all of it. This looks good to go in my opinion. @Ad Orientem, TomMasterReal, Orbitalbuzzsaw, Natg 19, SounderBruce, Joseph2302, Serial Number 54129, Black Kite, and Bagumba: BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mahomes' MVP is in the blurb, but still not in the prose and cited. —Bagumba (talk) 20:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Post it without MVP for the time being, to give the Afcon image a little more time?- it's only been there are couple of hours. Black Kite (talk) 20:23, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Added to prose with citation. Natg 19 (talk) 20:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (moved from not ready) Much improved. I think it's good enough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Because there is still an issue with the source of the pictured image, here are two possible alternatives: 2G0o2De0l (talk) 21:01, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @2G0o2De0l There is no issue for the source. Some IP just vandalized the description before the image was posted on hewiki so we can't edit it. It's been fixed now. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, thanks for letting me know. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Event of only local significance.--2A00:23C4:3E44:2C01:D496:DB57:DCF5:7B65 (talk) 21:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read WP:ITNSPORTS. In the American football section, you can see that the Super Bowl is listed. That page is part of the ITNR, meaning recurring ITN items. There is no debate about their notability, only quality. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 21:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is ITNR, so it doesn't matter how "significant" you feel this is. Also, "only local significance" has NEVER been a valid criteria. It literally says above: "Please do not Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive." --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is still a CN tag and unreferenced sentences in the section on the international broadcast. Moreover, no major improvement has been made to get rid of the repetitive hook.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We've never set perfection as the needed standard for ITN. A few unreferenced sentences in the international broadcast section should not prohibit posting. I have worked on this a bit so am probably too involved to make that final determination. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose although it's ITNR, the article is not in great shape. Bedivere (talk) 22:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Bedivere: can you describe what the article is missing? Other reviewers here have indicated it is close to posting. Natg 19 (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support What a game. I think the article is ready now, the tagged sections have been addressed. Davey2116 (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose At Super Bowl LVIII § Statistical comparison, the tables of records are unsourced.—Bagumba (talk) 01:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Bagumba: I just cited all the records (and removed a few unsourced ones). Natg 19 (talk) 01:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It should placed on there because it was such a big game and such. BattleshipMan (talk) 01:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is ready now. --RockstoneSend me a message! 02:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted—Bagumba (talk) 03:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Why is the current lead blurb (Africa Cup, which already led once prior to Super Bowl) back after Super Bowl and Finnish president? CoatCheck (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe the images get rotated every so often by admins, which leads to the top blurb also changing. Natg 19 (talk) 21:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure if it was a dream or something, but I think I once saw 4 different versions of the main page with different images. Anyways, the rotation is indeed done manually to the template. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) African Cup of Nations

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Article: 2023 Africa Cup of Nations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sébastien Haller scores the winning goal to help Ivory Coast win the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Ivory Coast win the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations after beating Nigeria in the final
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Heatrave (talk) 23:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - The ideal target article (2023 Africa Cup of Nations final) is missing a prose summary of the match along with most of the necessary content. SounderBruce 23:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Currently expanding the article on the final and it should be up to ITN standards soon. Just need to finish a few more sections. SounderBruce 10:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We usually do not include any specific player unless they are noted as MVP or the like. A better blurb is otherwise needed. --Masem (t) 01:54, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those we can include a key player as the item's picture should we post this. But again, we should be asking who the MVP is and use that person first and foremost. --Masem (t) 02:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Kelvin Kiptum

Article: Kelvin Kiptum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Kelvin Kiptum, holder of the marathon world record, dies at 24 in a car crash along with his coach. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Marathon world record holder Kelvin Kiptum dies in a car crash at the age of 24.
News source(s): 1, 2
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The current world-record marathon holder. — xaosflux Talk 22:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Fixed a few typos, not sure about the choice of putting the death along with the "early life" section, and maybe something could be done for the tables at the end. Nonetheless, a pretty well-referenced article, should be good to post. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support massive loss for the sport; would even support blurbing, but that will probably be a minority view. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - referenced. Updated.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD now- article is in good enough shape. I very rarely do this for a death, but with some expansion, I'd support a blurb- this is a current holder of (probably) one of the two biggest records in athletics, just reaching the prime of his career, and his death is getting lots of mainstream media coverage. -- Kicking222 (talk) 01:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support a blurb as well if such a discussion will be held. Clearly a top of the field athlete.BabbaQ (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb too. He was just on ITN for winning the record. --Jiaminglimjm (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I've also added a blurb, any improvements welcome. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. A tragic death-as-the-story case, and someone who was in the news for breaking the record so recently.  — Amakuru (talk) 01:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb "Unusual death" particularly as he was still an active runner, absolutely fits here. Article seems in good shape, though I would hope some short but reasonable reactions to his death (like a sentence or two at most) could be added. --Masem (t) 02:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb particularly due to him being "the only person in history to run the marathon under two hours and one minute in a record-eligible race", as stated in the article. However, I am not sure if this would really qualify for an unusual death. For example, this source says that there were over 4,000 deaths related to road accidents in Kenya in 2022. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 02:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Certainly one of the more tragic deaths in recent memory. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 02:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb—world record holder of a major sporting section BhamBoi (talk) 05:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
breaking the course record in london
breaking the course record in london
breaking the world record in chicago
breaking the world record in chicago
  • support blurb. he was just getting started. after he broke the world record in only his third marathon, commentators were saying that he had still quite a bit of energy left in him. it seemed like breaking the two-hour mark was well within reach.
    note that we have a picture of him breaking the world record in chicago, though it may need to be cropped if it is to be used on the main page. we also have a photo of him breaking the course record in london earlier that year, which we used when we posted the breaking of the world record to itn in october. (full disclosure: in case it is seen as a conflict of interest, i should mention that i was the editor who created the "2023 Chicago Marathon" article.) dying (talk) 02:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - unexpected death for someone obviously at the top of his field so recently. Proposed altblurb. starship.paint (RUN) 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Unexpected tragic death of a young top figure in his field, and being the marathon record holder is mainstream/commonly-known enough. The Kip 05:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, worldwide headlines. Shadow4dark (talk) 06:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Massive loss to the running community, and so young. Breaking the world record in Chicago would be the picture I'd go for. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we have more details of the accident. This happened late last night so daylight will literally shed more light on the scene but there don’t seem to be any photos yet. And we need more time to clean up our coverage. For example, it's reported that he was driving a Toyota Premio and our article about that says that it's only sold in Japan. It's wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Presumably that means it is only sold new in Japan... But in Kenya, a large proportion of cars are imported, often because it's cheaper than buying local new cars, and many do come from Japan, perhaps because they both drive on the left.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: - the car could have been a cheap second-hand car sent to Kenya. This is a minor detail, really. starship.paint (RUN) 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely support blurb if and when the article is ready. -- KTC (talk) 08:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb This is a no-brainer.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per above. Unusual death, and the fact that he is the current world record holder definitely makes this notable enough. Davey2116 (talk) 08:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb once article is slightly better and there may be more information by that time. World record holder and the future of marathon running dying like this is tragic, and unusual enough therefore to warrant a blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Regarding a concern about a conflict with a Wikipedia car page, that page is largely uncited, and the WP:CIRCULAR policy states Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources... It's also unrelated to the blurb. The page(s) can be updated, as needed.—Bagumba (talk) 09:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Finnish presidential election

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Article: 2024 Finnish presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander Stubb wins the 2024 Finnish presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alexander Stubb is elected President of Finland
News source(s): Reuters, AP, Yle
Credits:

JIP | Talk 20:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note that the position of power in Finland is the PM, so this is not ITNR (it was properly marked as not ITNR, just making this comment in case the question comes up) --Masem (t) 20:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - update done. Which article will be the main article though.BabbaQ (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support added altblurb to address above concern This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb as per orbitalbuzzsaw. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As per above, this is not ITN/R, and, as far as I can tell, this is the first nomination for the result of a presidential election in Finland. However, as stated in the article, this is the first election since Finland joined NATO, and, due to the Finnish president being the commander in chief, I believe that this is notable enough for a blurb. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull - Finland's President is not the head of government nor does he manage the executive; he only has nominal powers. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:55, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting Support in part per 2G0o... The commander-in-chief is notable enough IMO. Either way, the monarch of most European countries has little power, yet we tend to blurb because it's still a prominent role. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 23:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull - I don't see this In the News in my diversified news-feed or as significant enough news event to get posted. No Drug No War (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support this posting after the fact as well, because the President will have a lot of influence on the continued relations between Finland and Russia over the next coming years. The President post is not as insinuated without much power. Posting was a good decision.BabbaQ (talk) 02:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then the blurb should really have explained this. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 05:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The blurb doesn't explain that the president isn't the head of state either. You are free to click on the link and learn about it. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Confused. The first sentence of this article says, "The president of the Republic of Finland is the head of state of Finland." CoatCheck (talk) 17:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The head of state is the public persona, not necessarily the person with the greatest power. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So... the President of Finland IS the head of state, but not the head of government. There's a reason that's not ITNR. I still think this was inappropriate to blurb without some type of context given. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Election article looks good, but Stubb's own article probably needs further updates. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why the election article is bolded, and Stubb's isn't. Stephen 23:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 10

February 10, 2024 (2024-02-10) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Anthony Epstein

Article: Anthony Epstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/professor-sir-anthony-epstein-zgpcfj5wk
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British pathologist, one of the discoverers of the Epstein–Barr virus. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Harold Mitchell

Article: Harold Mitchell (media buyer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-11/harold-mitchell-dead-at-81/103453500
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian businessman, media buyer, philanthropist and humanitarian. HiLo48 (talk) 03:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Two CN tags, and an infobox would be a good addition. The Kip 04:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Henry Blackaby

Article: Henry Blackaby (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Religion News Service
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

A bit stubby. However, I expect publications like Christianity Today and others to provide enough materials to de-stubify. Will probably need a bit of citation work as well, but right now, I'm working on Joel Belz. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on the first reference. I got a nice red "Deceptive site ahead" page. Support, I guess. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The books section was sourced by goodreads, which I removed per WP:GOODREADS. As per above, the first reference was a potentially dangerous link, which I also removed. In short, the article needs some referencing work. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 14:47, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Herbert Wigwe

Article: Herbert Wigwe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The death of the Group Chairman of Access Holdings, his wife and son through a helicopter crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatrave (talk • contribs) 20:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Fully referenced. Updated.--BabbaQ (talk) 01:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 21:23, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Pakistani elections

Article: 2024 Pakistani general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Despite the disqualification of the PTI and the jailing of its leader, Imran Khan, independent candidates supporting his party win the most seats in the 2024 Pakistani general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Independent candidates backed by the disqualified PTI and its jailed leader, Imran Khan, win the most seats in the 2024 Pakistani general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Pakistan, the general election results in a hung parliament.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Pakistan, the general election results in a hung parliament with the Tehreek-e-Insaf-backed independent candidates leading.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ After the 2024 Pakistani general election, six parties agree to form a coalition government with Shehbaz Sharif as prime minister.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Despite the majority of seats being won by PTI-backed independent candidates, PML-N decided to establish a coalition government.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Most results are in and Imran Khan is claiming victory in the election but so is Nawaz Sharif. Formation of a government is likely to be complex and take time but we ought to move on from the previous Khan blurb now. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support altblurb Let's not overlook the fact that numerous foreign media outlets, including France 24, TIME, The Intercept, Economist have characterized the election was rigged by the military as they have done in the past, but despite that the election results have turned out completely differently. NYT went on to say the election results have humiliated the military rulers and has started a new political crises in the country. --Saqib (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Needs a more neutral header. In the body of the article it can explain why that party winning the most seats is unusual or unprecedented, but its not ITNs place to make that call. --Masem (t) 18:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb as I think the "despite" in the original blurb is unnecessary. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 18:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb per above. The Kip 19:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the article is incomprehensible to me. I've been looking at it for 5 minutes, and I simply don't know what's going on. I say that as someone with no previous understanding of how elections are done in Pakistan, and who hasn't read any news articles on the election results, other than the headlines. For example, in the header box, it notes that all 336 seats are up for election. But in the 2024 Pakistani general election#Provisional results by party section it lists total of only 258 seats (declared?) with 7 left to declare. In the info-box it shows Khan as the leader of a party called "PTI-Ind". However that isn't a party, and Khan isn't even running for a seat and thus is ineligible to be PM. The references are whacky - what are [1] and [2] doing as references - surely they are notes. The "Seats needed" in the box is just confusing - everyone needs 169 seats. And getting this number by subtracting the 2018 results doesn't work, as seats have changed since the previous election. Instead show "Seats won", "Seat change". There needs to be a full table of results, similar to the 2018 election. At this point, I'm not sure the result is even clear. Nfitz (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz: There're a total of 264 general seats, with the remaining reserved seats [Elections are not conducted for these reserved seats.] Presently, results have been announced for 256 out of the total 264 seats. As for Khan's leadership status, he has been designated as the leader due to his association with the PTI-backed independent candidates. More detailed information on this matter can be found in the section titled 2024_Pakistani_general_election#PTI_de_facto_ban_through_intra-party_election_verdict within the article. And how about we omit the numbers for now, since the legitimacy of many of these results is being contested by the PTI. --Saqib (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The seating is explained in the section 2024 Pakistani general election#Electoral system

The 336 members of the National Assembly consist of 266 general seats elected by first-past-the-post voting in single-member constituencies, 60 seats reserved for women elected by proportional representation based on the number of general seats won by each party in each province, and ten seats reserved for non-Muslims elected through proportional representation based on the number of overall general seats won by each party.

Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I do think that one should be able to grasp this a lot quicker, and that the text be improved. Also, at this point the general percentages are done, so how are those seats being distributed ... and do independents even play into that. Ultimately, this is probably ITN. But the article needs work. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite a big and complicated topic and the article has been under development for six years. And so there's a lot to digest. Here's what we did last time. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there may be a typo, User:Andrew Davidson in that link. Nfitz (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz: Link fixed. The previous election was marred by violence, whereas this one was tainted by daylight mass rigging. --Saqib (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Ultimately, this should probably be posted, once there's more clarity. Which seems to have taken over 4 days last time. Nfitz (talk) 19:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until an actual outcome is known/a government is formed. Right now, the situation is unclear and posting that the PTI de facto candidates won the most seats doesn't mean much unless they actually then form a government, which is sounds like currently they won't. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the election result. We will post the government formation too when that happens down the road. See recent examples in Italy/Spain, for example. Curbon7 (talk) 04:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302: Having garnered significant press coverage worldwide, the election results deserves to be posted. I believe we did the same previously. Saqib (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So far, only one PTI backed independent candidate joined other party, contrary to your assertion that many did. And by the way, this should not be a logical reason to put this ITN on hold. The key point is that independent candidates backed by PTI won the majority of seats.--Saqib (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Saqib. Article seems clear enough to me Aaron Liu (talk) 21:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I would say the PTI victory is notable independent of coalition formation. I say we cross that bridge when we get there. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In Pakistan, elections aren't considered complete until all reserved seats are assigned. Once these seats are allocated, the dynamics will shift significantly, potentially placing independents in third position. Independents cannot vie for reserved seats, so it's prudent to wait until these seats are allocated before determining the election outcome. Publishing the story prematurely, as suggested, could mislead readers. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No elections are held for reserved seats hence their allocation is pointless to this ITN posting. No Drug No War (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reserved seats are integral to the electoral process in Pakistan. You should refer to the 2018 Pakistani general election page, where the party positions are determined based on the total of 342 seats, encompassing both general and reserved seats. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR is for the general elections and not for the whole electoral process in Pakistan. Nor is the 2018 election page considered a bible. No Drug No War (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There is no final notification by ECP about the victory of various candidates. Even independent candidates did not join any party. Wait till the final position is declared by ECP.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Election results are never put on hold until the Independent candidates join any party. Nor are the final notifications (which are withheld on court orders in some cases) a necessity for ITN posting. No Drug No War (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2 or altblurb3, the ECP has declared all the results and as such this ITNR must be posted. No Drug No War (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb4, as it is more realistic and closer to the facts on ground. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 01:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFC Asian Cup

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Article: 2023 AFC Asian Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after beating Jordan in the final (MVP Akram Afif pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after Akram Afif scores a hat-trick of penalties against Jordan in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after an Akram Afif hat-trick against Jordan in the final.
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

I think if AFCON is included, then Asian Cup should be as well Pksois23 (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether sports events are ITNR isn't decided arbitrarily; it's based on whether there's consensus at ITNSPORTS.
Oppose: Entire team section only has one or two sources. Map thing has a display error, I'll see if I can fix that Aaron Liu (talk) 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Asian Cup is listed on ITNSPORTS Pksois23 (talk) 05:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's not really an "I think". Aaron Liu (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until prose summary is added (which I may do myself). I have modified the blurbs to link to the final's article, which is the normal target. SounderBruce 07:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jeeez Jordan can't catch a break, losing in basketball a few months ago and now this LOL. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 9

February 9, 2024 (2024-02-09) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

RD: Jim Hannan

Article: Jim Hannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.wgauradio.com/news/trending/jim-hannan-first-president-mlb-players-alumni-association-dead-85/YM6RIKKZ5VF6PIOJTG6THQRFK4/
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Major League Baseball pitcher from 1962 to 1971. Co-founder and 1st president of the Major League Baseball Players Alumni Association. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now More references are needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Damo Suzuki

Article: Damo Suzuki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Pitchfork
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese rock singer known as a member of Can. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:5C1A:689:3A4D:64F1 (talk) 00:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Article looks to be of good quality, though the discography section could be shortened a bit. LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 02:56, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks good to go. Sources and quality are checked.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - article is slight. Ceoil (talk) 10:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slight? Explain.BabbaQ (talk) 10:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The lead was inadquent, and there was dodgy refs and major gaps in explaining his career. Is that clear enough BabbaQ? As an update, article is improving, nearing a Q/C pass for main page. Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article quality seems pretty good. Setarip (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now. Ceoil (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 06:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Is this West latent pattern? Run it, says Damo's spirit. ——Serial 13:22, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ed Tarver

Article: Ed Tarver (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support not long but sufficient article. Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 22:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Did he have any notable accomplishments as a State Senator, United States Attorney or in his private Augusta law firm? Article is mostly a list of roles and election results, with limited depth otherwise. SpencerT•C 05:53, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It’d be nice to have a bit more depth, but there are enough references & a sufficient amount of details. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: rolls off tomorrow and is of good quality. The Kip 04:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Attention needed; pulled) RD: Robert Badinter

Article: Robert Badinter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): French Government Le Figaro France 24 Libération
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French lawyer, statesman and government minister known for his ultimately successful campaign for the abolition of the death penalty in France. The article still needs work. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready Still four citation needed tags and one failed verification, shouldn't be too hard to fix. While I wouldn't call the death blurb-worthy, he was certainly a defining figure of French politics, and a man of his stature deserves an article in good shape. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Article looks fine now. @Chaotic Enby, Orbitalbuzzsaw: I've fixed the issues brought up. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, support! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: I think I fixed the article’s issues. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've marked "attention needed" for others to vet (or post). The unsourced content has been replaced with newer content.—Bagumba (talk) 13:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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