:*'''ALT3''':... that '''[[Hays Hall]],''' the first dormitory at [[Washington & Jefferson College]], was designed by noted [[Pittsburgh]] architect [[Frederick J. Osterling]]?
:*'''ALT3''':... that '''[[Hays Hall]],''' the first dormitory at [[Washington & Jefferson College]], was designed by noted [[Pittsburgh]] architect [[Frederick J. Osterling]]?
::Article looks OK and reffed... but only 2 refs and neither appear to be 3rd party ... can we add a quick 3rd ref?
::Article looks OK and reffed... but only 2 refs and neither appear to be 3rd party ... can we add a quick 3rd ref?
:::Third, independent ref added. Should be good to go.--[[User:GrapedApe|GrapedApe]] ([[User talk:GrapedApe|talk]]) 05:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:::*Third, independent ref added. Should be good to go.--[[User:GrapedApe|GrapedApe]] ([[User talk:GrapedApe|talk]]) 05:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Length, date, and reference verified. Thanks, [[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 06:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on May 9
Kamala River
... that about one million people were affected by floods in the Kamala and other rivers in northern Bihar in India in 2003?
Comment: While I've added this nomination, Morenooso asked me to post this hook in these specific words; I've rearranged a few words, but not significantly enough that I should be credited as the nominator. Nyttend (talk) 04:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
alternate hook: "...that rock guitarist Desiree Bassett has released two studio-produced CDs and toured all over the country - all before turning 17?" - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. link to the paper [1], the quote is in the right column 1/3 from the top. Hope everyone understands that it's a satire. East of Borschov (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT (catchier but perhaps assumes too much knowledge beyond Australian readers that Melbourne is not a rugby league town) ... that Melbourne's newest stadium was opened with a rugby league match? --Mkativerata (talk) 22:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think it's 5x expanded yet, I think it needs another 3000+ characters of prose. I counted the before-expansion version and got 2785 characters so 5x would be 13925 characters. At the moment it's showing (with DYK check) as 10177 characters.--BelovedFreak 21:40, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Postage stamps and postal history of the Nyassa Company
... that the destruction of over 150 million reis-worth of Nyassa Company stamps (example pictured) was ordered in 1895 by the Portuguese government because the stamps had been printed in England and not Portugal?
that Indian anthropologist Nirmal Kumar Bose was also a major scholar on Mahatma Gandhi, who did not agree with Gandhi's practice of active sexual celibacy?
Created by Mukerjee (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Linda King
... that in 2009 Linda King sold 60 letters from her former lover, author Charles Bukowski, for $69,000?
5x expanded by Tyrenius (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
236 characters short of the 1500-character cutoff. Expand a bit and it'll make it, it's a decidedly quirky subject (great "closing" hook)! - The BushrangerReturn fireFlank speed 21:26, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded a bit. Thanks for the bit about the hook. Mythic Dawn Agent (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that astronomer Ben Gascoigne discovered that the Milky Way's nearest galactic neighbours, the Magellanic Clouds, are twice as far away as first thought?
ALT2:That astronomer Ben Gascoigne, despite warning his colleagues of the dangers of the Anglo-Australian Telescope construction site, was nearly killed when he fell seven metres from a catwalk?
Date, length and ALT1/2 verified. AGF the main hook. Image seems Ok (PD in Australia). IMO, ALT2 is the weakest and main hook is the strongest, though ALT1 is Ok too.Materialscientist (talk) 11:25, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Capitol Records initially refused to release Merle Haggard's song "Irma Jackson", which is about an interracial relationship, because they felt it would hurt Haggard's image?
Everything checks out. I can't decide if the "fallout" is a nifty pun/turn of phrase, or potentially misleading (as there was, technically, no fallout). Maybe an Alt? But I won't hold it up over that quibble. - The BushrangerReturn fireFlank speed 03:15, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 14:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a geology expert, but does this mean that there are no sedimentary rocks in Western Australia that are older than 40,000 years? Victuallers (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It refers to lake sediments, not rocks. I have amended the hook to remove the ambiguity. Maias (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I counted approximately 2,700 characters before nomination, not including the long quotation. Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
German destroyer Z44
... that the German destroyer Z44 was badly damaged in an air raid and had to be later scrapped before she was even commissioned into the Kriegsmarine?
Length, date, and hook check out; however, all of the sources are from what appear to be self-published websites. I'm hesitant to say that there are any reliable sources on this article. Nyttend (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is this Google Book source that seems to back up everything from the webpages. -- Esemono (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Design section for this article, and for German destroyer Z35 and German destroyer Z43 (also up for DYK nomination below) are all the same, even down to the misspelling of "meant" in the first line. I'm not sure a DYK can be claimed for a number of different articles all using the same text, even if the (very short) lead section of each article is tailored to the ship? In addition, I would say that this design section is relevant to the class of ship and should be captured in an article for the ship class, rather than being repeated in every single individual ship article. Nick Ottery (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sniff. Take them out of the queue. Buggie111 (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrarary, take out 43,35 and 44. iI wrote the design section, so 36 does not have any copy-pastes. Also, other destroyers have such sections. Buggie111 (talk) 23:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The hook is elaborated in section "Structure and composition" on example of phosphorus. Ref.3,4 say that white P is molecular solid and red is covalent one; ref.7 says how they can be interconverted. There are plenty of other available refs for this basic fact, but they are either off-line or/and not saying all words in one phrase.
Expansion, date and hook refs verified. Quite complicated, but I think I worked it out :) --Bruce1eetalk 06:10, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Harry Stiteler
... that Texas A&M football coach Harry Stiteler resigned in 1951 after admitting he had misrepresented the facts about being beaten by a stranger near a Houston hotel?
comment. The article omits Popov's less bizarre designs (he also supervised construction of the cruiser fleet, part of The Great Game). Curiously, the the real cause for building the ugly sisters was gone before they were laid down but they still proceeded with building - Russian bureaucracy works in mysterious ways. NVO (talk) 07:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Epenow, the Wampanoag slave who tricked his English captors into returning him to his home on Martha's Vineyard, is thought to be the basis of the "strange indian with the great tool" mentioned in Shakespeare'sHenry VIII?
Created by Cbaer (talk). Self nom at 18:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Occupation and annexation of the Baltic states by the Soviet Union (1944)
ALT1:... that one of the owners of Lynfeld (main house, pictured) in Washington, New York, introduced new breeds of pigs, sheep, horses and cows to the Hudson Valley?
... that retired banker Michael Fingleton received & kept a €1m bonus in 2008, despite his Irish Nationwide Building Society posting losses of €2.5bn in 2009, which wiped out all profits made by the society?
Note: one of the sources requires login or a UK library card; if WP:AGF fails on this, I will gladly provide the number of my own library card (via email) for verification. Rodhullandemu 21:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length check out, hook is well described and explained in article, and offline sources are accepted in good faith. To Rodhullandemu - one good way of dealing with offline sources is to quote the relevant sentences from them in the citation using the |quote= field; that way other editors can immediately see the original text. - DustFormsWords (talk) 04:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added quote, although divorced from the already multiply-used reference. Rodhullandemu 23:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article uses bare URLs in its references, requires significant copy editing, and (most troubling) the timeline in the article does not match the hook fact. Setting aside that the text said "forty minutes" until I changed it to say "thirty-six minutes" to match the times specified, the following sentence refutes that timeline. If this ("Eight minutes after the attack started at 7:55 AM Kenworthy gave the command to abandon ship, doing so himself a minute later.") is true then he abandoned ship at 8:04am, not 8:06am, and the command was just 34 minutes. However, now I'm curious what the cited book says and would like to review the source rather than have this quietly corrected and passed along to the front page. - Dravecky (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean copyediting in terms of double captialization (i.e.: MAy,), than I'm fine. I had added the cpasizing time, not the time that the call was passed. Sorry. And I'll fix the bare refs. Buggie111 (talk) 00:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I mean copyediting like repeatedly correcting "Oklkahoma", "beofre", "preperation", "excersies" plus miscapitalizations as "oklahoma", "bristol", and so many more. Also, this is about a US Navy vessel and thus should use US spelling ("defense" instead of "defence", for example). I've just spent a few minutes scrubbing out the more egregious spelling and other errors but I'm not sure what "eogth Naval Governor" should really be nor have I fixed the grammar. I'm not pushing for FA-quality prose here, but certain minimum standards must apply. Also, the article is not in any categories. As I'm unsure what categories would apply to this article, I've tagged it {{uncat}} which I'm sure you can easily remedy.- Dravecky (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, please take a look at WP:MOSSHIP for how to format the names of naval vessels. - Dravecky (talk) 03:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the copyedits, and I've fixed the few formatting errors wehre I italiisized USS. Please recheck. Buggie111 (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by Dragfyre (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. I don't suppose a TerraServer aerial image is available? Either way, it's good to go. - The BushrangerReturn fireFlank speed 18:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, there might be an image available, but I don't know how to use TerraServer offhand -- never heard of it. If it's a free source, I'm sure I could look through and see if there is a good aerial shot, as long as someone points me towards uploading instructions (i.e. the correct license to use) too. --dragfyre (talk 19:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
TerraServer (which uses a different name now I can't recall off the top of my head) uses U.S. Geological Survey aerial photos, which are public domain. I don't know if it covers areas outside the US though. See Wakulla County Airport for an example of how it's used. :) - The BushrangerReturn fireFlank speed 20:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, yeah, doesn't look like it's got coverage outside of the US. Too bad, though, as that would certainly be a boon to the article. I'll keep my eye open to see if I can find anything similar... Thanks! --dragfyre (talk 04:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Ricardo Blas, Jr. surpassed the previous weight record for an Olympic competitor by 44 lb (20 kg) when he competed at the 2008 Summer Olympics?
That's honestly a rather...bland hook, somewhat like "dog bites man". But otherwise I don't have any issues. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See the comment by Nick Ottery on the DYK nom for Z44. cmadler (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
German destroyer Z35, German destroyer Z36 / Type 1936B destroyer
Comment I expanded Z36 and created 35, hopefully they are both ok, cut out gulf of finland of hook is too long. Buggie111 (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I though there were a rule which stated "Only one article per hook", sorry. TbhotchTalkC. 03:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, if anything it's encouraged. Additional rule C3 specifically contemplates it. There's no problem with having two (or more) articles in a hook provided that they all meet ALL of the DYK rules including length, date, and citation. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:31, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They do need infoboxes, but that's a perk, they're good for DYK - The Bushranger (talk) 06:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Wikiships guidelines specifically state that All ship articles and ship class articles should use an infobox to summarize characteristics and other information so I think infoboxes should be added before the articles are promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 07:44, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Forests of Mara and Mondrem is a new article which is partly based on the post-expansion text of Delamere Forest and doesn't represent a 5-fold expansion; Delamere Forest remains a >5-fold expansion when the text cloned to Forests of Mara and Mondrem is discounted. If this doesn't meet the rules for a double nomination, then just discount Forests of Mara and Mondrem. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fritz Werner
... that Maurice André played the trumpet in choral works of Bach with the conductor Fritz Werner and the Heinrich-Schütz-Chor Heilbronn, and also in music composed by Fritz Werner?
... that after the death of Sangamitta (pictured in a boat), the daughter of Emperor Ashoka, observances were held in her honor throughout Sri Lanka for one week?
Comment; A double article hook. Article 1 expanded by more than 5 x and Artcile 2 is new.--Nvvchar (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Antony Grey
... that Antony Grey, who died at the end of April, became Stonewall Hero of the Year in 2007, to mark the 40th anniversary of the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality in the UK in which he was instrumental?
Created by Zefrog (talk). Self nom at 11:19, 5 May 2010
main and Alt1 both good, prefer the former. Picture's a little hard to make the plane out at this scale, but, overall, pretty cool! - The BushrangerReturn fireFlank speed 21:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've made some scale-adjustment in the image, much better now.Alexikoua (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The reference style is quite confusing, and seems to lack details such as publisher. Might help if you added a bibliography. Gatoclass (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, one of several what? One of several ébénistes? Nyttend (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The what Nyttend seeks is called an antecedent: here the antecedent class is "prominent late 18th-century Parisianébénistes".
In shuffling and rearranging the standard-format citations to form a bibliography for this brief article, should one specify that for the J. Paul Getty Museum Journal the publisher is the J. Paul Getty Museum?--Wetman (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Metropolitan Block (Lima, Ohio)
... that the Metropolitan Block (pictured) is the best-preserved building of the Lima, Ohio oil boom of the late 19th century?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The "best preserved" part doesn't seem to be clearly referenced, and the attribution of the picture is unclear, since there's no user by the name credited. Lovely building though. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See User talk:Mike224jb: he never had a userpage, but he has a talk page. If this is a problem, you can use my own image: File:Metropolitan Block in Lima southern and western sides.jpg. I'm unclear about the problem with the "best preserved" — the hook is based on the final sentence of the first paragraph of the "Related buildings" section, which is clearly referenced to the fourth sentence of paragraph C of page 5 of citation 3: "The only remaining or unaltered of these elaborate structures is the Metropolitan Block, 1889, now on the National Register", and the context of the paragraph is buildings erected during the oil boom. Do you see "only remaining or unaltered" as not being equivalent to "best preserved", or am I misunderstanding you? Nyttend (talk) 18:05, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I'd missed that particular phrase. Both it and the picture, now that I've actually found the user in question (odd, I'd have sworn earlier it said no such user existed, maybe I made a typo?) are A-OK. Nice work! - The Bushranger (talk) 18:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sally Wister
… that although Sally Wister's Journal was written as a series of letters in 1777–78, the addressee of the letters did not receive them until 1830?
... that when transferred from Lincoln City to Leicester City for £27,500 in 1954, English footballerAndy Graver was said to be "afraid of the responsibility of living up to such a big price tag"?
5x expanded by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Those were the days :) Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 07:17, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Betty King
... that in 2008 Australian judge Betty King referred to herself as the "queen of banning things"?
I've expanded the creation credits to User:Mattinbgn and User:Hack who both played significant roles in building up this article from its stub. My ALT suggestion is a bit of cheekiness.--Mkativerata (talk) 07:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(ALT1) Date length and hook are good to go. Sadly, though, the sources don't support ALT2, instead referring to "a Wikipedia posting in her name" (which could be a fake username) rather than "her Wikipedia biography". - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Verified original hook, I struck the alt as it doesn't strike me as very interesting. Gatoclass (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what happened there, did we both post at the same time? Anyhow, there is no alt2 so I'm not sure what dfw is referring to, but my verification of the original hook stands. Gatoclass (talk) 07:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neely-Sieber House
... that the Neely-Sieber House (pictured) in Lima, Ohio changed hands after the violent death of its oil baron owner?
Comment: For the alt and rollover texts, I've said that the color of the house is orange. I'm partially colorblind, so I'm not sure if it's orange; if it's not, would you please fix this text? Nyttend (talk) 02:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 02:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd call that orange, yep. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 02:58, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The mention of Neely's shooting, central to the hook, isn't referenced. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just noticed the offline reference, brain is slow this morning. I'll take that AGF. - The Bushranger (talk) 14:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have tweaked the hook to change "many" (not supported by article text) to "several". With that change, date, length and hook check out and is good to go. - DustFormsWords (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed "in three different centuries" from the first hook, since over 200 years is (by default) in three different centuries. Nyttend (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
1970 New Guinea earthquake
... that water receded as a result of the 1970 New Guinea earthquake, then increased 10 feet (3 meters), killing three?
... that the crew of the Russian armored cruiserGromoboi suffered more heavily during the Battle off Ulsan in 1904 than that of the Rossia because their captain ordered his light gun crews to remain at their guns even when they were out of range?
Date and length are fine. However, the hook is sourced to the Internet Broadway Database, which there is not consensus for as a reliable source. Surely if the woman's notable you can source her stage work to contemporary reviews or to biographies? Especially for Broadway productions as notable as these? - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added a citation to Who's Who, which confirms that she played Martha Webster in the 1936 production of Bury the Dead at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre and Mrs Sweeney in the 1961 production of Sail Away at the Broadhurst Theatre. There's no mention of Breakfast at Tiffany's, probably because it never officially opened, but this site confirms that she was in the original Broadway cast. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 16:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Offline source accepted in good faith; good to go. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dance in the Dark
... that Lady Gaga's song "Dance in the Dark" is about a girl who likes to have sex with the lights off because she is embarrassed about her body?
I've changed "serve in the grade" to "hold the rank", because "ranks" are for commissioned officers and "grades" are for enlisted men. Nyttend (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The list has only 395 characters of prose (the listed items and table are excluded). Furthermore, there is no source citation for the fact mentioned in the hook above. PleaseStand(talk) 02:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unicorns cricket team, Clydesdale Bank 40
... that Unicorns, an unpaid English cricket team made up of out-of-contract professionals and aspiring youngsters, was created to take part in the 2010 Clydesdale Bank 40 competition?
Looks OK. I added a citation for the "unpaid" part in Unicorns cricket team#Squad so that I could approve this, but it would be good to cite the fact better in both articles. Also, please consider moving Unicorns cricket team to Unicorns Cricket Team or Unicorns (cricket team) to follow Wikipedia's usual naming convention (depending on whether "Cricket Team" is part of the name or not). Then change the hook to match that. PleaseStand(talk) 02:52, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Not sure if this is sufficiently interesting, and not sure whether I properly counted the prose as just being over 1500 chars. --Pgallert (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion, date, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 14:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Planet Earth Live
... that Planet Earth Live is a BBCnature documentary that will premier with orchestral accompaniment in large cities throughout the United States during the 2010 summer?
I have added an alt image that shows cables and masts more clearly. If used, the parenthetical could possibly be (gymnasium building pictured).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Kennedy's birthday is May 29. Assuming this gets approved somehow, I'm willing to let this wait until May 29 so it can be posted on an appropriate day. - Tim1965 (talk) 22:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh 29 Mai 2010 will be his 93rd birthday, hardly a memorable number. Publish it now or wait until 29 May 2017. Also suggest a catchier DYK. For example, the fact that someone knelt in front of the flame and burned to death. Or that the government refused to accept the Kennedy family's offer to pay for the permanent memorial. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:55, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1:Did you know that millions have visited the John F. Kennedy Eternal Flame, including one who knelt in front of the flame, fell, and burned to death?
I find it difficult to persuade myself that this is a notable topic, particularly when we already have the article Saddam Hussein's novels. Gatoclass (talk) 04:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OSE. If somebody wants to promote this I won't stand in the way, but I'd be reluctant to do so myself. Gatoclass (talk) 08:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
With or without the other objections, the hook is way bland. Is the only thing worth noting here exactly the same as what could be noted for all Saddam's novels? Dahn (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Verified, image verified as CCA. Gatoclass (talk) 23:31, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maharlika
... that former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos(pictured) used the Filipino term Maharlika as a nom de guerre until his World War II exploits as a guerilla soldier were proven false in 1985?
ALT 1: ... that during pre-colonial times in the Philippines, the word maharlika referred to the Tagalog warrior-class people (pictured) bound to serve datus in times of war?
Erm, Art Deco was in fashion between the two wars, so it's a bit redundant to say "after World War I" ("I", not "1", btw). I'm aware that the hook means to connect this with post-WWI peace efforts, but maybe you could twaek the hook to avoid this problem and include both tidbits in a different way. Incidenatlly, is it Carnegie library" or "Carnegie Library"? Also, you might consider doing something about the chaotic format in the notes: you placed them both before and after the punctuation marks; the wikipedia standard is after punctuation marks, but in any case it will eventually have to be just one style throughout the article. Dahn (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any thing "redundant" in the first version - the "after WWI" point concerns the purpose not the style. It should be "Library". Johnbod (talk) 20:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If you know of any art deco buildings built before World War I, lemme know. As I have said, I realize this refers to another characteristic, but in this context it just looks weird. Yes, I realize this is a detail that jumped at me and may leave the others cold, and do not hold a gun to anybody's head to follow me on this one. But the fact remains that it is redundant, as trivial as my concern about it being redundant may in theory be, and regardless of whether the hook is ultimately rephrased or not. I'm just saying, is all. Dahn (talk) 03:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In theory Art Deco = 1925. You are right. In practice, the movement started in 1900s in France. The some work of the Viennese Secession may (could or should) be classified as Art Deco. An example may be the Stoclet Palace in Brussel or Otto Wagner Postparkasse. But is it Art Deco or Art Nouveau?
Not all the buildings built between the two worlds were Art Deco in style. So it is not that trivial.
I used the word Art Deco to stress that the architect won the Gold Medal at the 1925 Art Deco fair.
Again, my issue here was with how the hook was phrased, as I have been saying from the beginning: the hook could communicate the same concept, but could also avoid saying what on first glance appears to be very similar (and is very similar). I'm aware of the classification issues regarding Secession v. Art Deco, but that too is not the issue: whatever loose definition of Art Deco one adopts, it still revolves around the basic fact that Secession architecture was an absolute exception in the interwar, and that, whatever Art Nouveau was to Art Deco, it was no longer a definition with two terms of comparison after WWI. And no, I have never said that the info would be trivial in the hook, and have even proposed a hook that would make the same idea work - that is, until other issues caught my eye (this is the substance of my posts below). Dahn (talk) 10:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed spelling of Library (and moved the page). I would prefer to see "art deco" remaining in the hook too.Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 11:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We can actually have both, only my humble suggestion was that it could be phrased differently. Something like: "that the Carnegie Library of Reims, one of the three libraries built by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace after World War I, is built in Art Deco style?" And this is before I actually had a detailed look at what the article says. Did you? For one, it may stand to reason, but the notion that it is an art deco building is actually uncited. What's more, the relevant part text is, I'm sorry to say, very unencyclopedic, speculative, and written with an editorial voice. It talks to us about the harmony of its proportions, its beauty, it describes detail that it judges splendid, about how climbing stairs is the equivalent of aspiring to higher knowledge, and so on. The paragraphs are very undercited, without any attributed quotes, and there is a big problem with internal links - several in a line lead to the same article - and tenses (virtually everything is in the historical present that is so common in Romance language sources, but that is rarely used in English). For the relevant guidelines and policies, see WP:POV, WP:PEACOCK, WP:ATTR, WP:OVERLINK (and our WP:MOS in general). Dahn (talk) 03:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote the article. So I did read it. Art Deco uncited? The architect won the Gold medal at the 1925 Exposition Internationale des Arts Décoratifs et Industriels Modernes that gave the name Art Deco. Did I miss something?
I remove all the "splendid" and "beautiful" I put. I admit I was a little bit too enthusiastic about the place.
My English is not up to standards. Hope somebody will copyedit it.
Regarding the references, I forgot to buy the reference book when I visited the library. Hope somebody after me will do. Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't check to see if there was the same user page behind both signatures. The fact remains that the info is uncited, and the tidbit you refer to is also uncited: there is no reference after it, or, for that matter, throughout most of the text. This is not only a generic content issue (WP:ATTR, WP:CITE, WP:RS etc.), it is also a main requirement for DYK entries (see Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules: "The nomination's hook must contain a fact cited in the article. [...] The fact should have an inline citation, and the article in general should use inline, cited sources.")
On the other issues: well, stuff like that happens all the time. Your English is okay from what I see, the problem remains with the tenses, and, as I have said before, it results from a common misunderstanding (one more reason why I encourage editors to read the WP:MOS is that we can streamline the effort of improving content). The main issue is that the article should have some sort of citations, if not for the quality of its content in the long run, then for the DYK submission at least. Dahn (talk) 10:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The guitar pic either here and in the article makes/would make no sense. If I may, I would like to suggest either permanently or temporarily cropping the image of the rondalla from the pic in the article, for the purpose of illustrating the actual instrument. Dahn (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Changed image with cropped version from Commons. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It makes no sense to have an image of an instrument because according to the article a rondalla is an ensemble, not an instrument. Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article means to say it's (also) a class of instruments. Dahn (talk) 15:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK there is no such instrument as a "rondalla" so I think the image and/or hook is confusing. Gatoclass (talk) 01:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that apart from being a folk musician and painter, Heber Bartolome was an active lobbyist for the rights of Filipino composers?
Comment: *ALT 1: ... that Filipino folk musician Heber Bartolome's compositions were described as a unique synthesis of rock and blues, and Philippine ethnic rhythms?
ALT 2: ... that Heber Bartolome was the founder of Banyuhay, a Filipinoprotest and folk music band that carried the trademark sound of the native musical instrument known as the kubing?
Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 06:27, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date and hook ref verified. I tweaked the hook a little: changed "the suture fault" to "a suture fault". --Bruce1eetalk 09:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But, in any case, please don't credit me with an assist on this article - my contribution was microscopically minimal (but thanks anyway for the thought, Derek). Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 2: ... that after appropriate treatment for limb infarction, approximately 70 percent of infarcted arms or legs remain alive and vital after 6 months? Mikael Häggström (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook needs to be rephrased; it has grammatical problems and doesn't directly mention, or link to, the article (Patrick Manogue) that it goes with. --Metropolitan90(talk) 23:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook was reworked. --Morenooso (talk) 03:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very confused - the article says he built a cathedral - where is the mansion mentioned? Victuallers (talk) 10:33, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The mansion is a very bad (or good - depending on you like hooks) play of words or hook on a house of God which a cathedral is. House usually used for church; a mansion is a very expensive house; ergo, cathedral. "House of God" wikilinked to "Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament" would work too. Morenooso (talk) 12:09, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think I understand - and I like hooks that tease (but not lie) .... and you don't live in a cathedral. Can you find another hook? Victuallers (talk) 22:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lets go with the short hook (although I have to presume that people who arrived for the gold rush in 1853 were still "49er"s so Victuallers (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Intimate Exchanges
... that the 1982 play Intimate Exchanges by Alan Ayckbourn includes 31 scenes, 16 hours of dialogue and 10 characters, all performed by only two actors, and has been produced only twice in its entirety?
Except that isn't correct and isn't mentioned or referenced in the article. It's not the actors' decision. The best that could be said is that "IE has 16 different endings", but multiple endings is not particularly unique - it's the scale of Intimate Exchanges that makes it different from anything else. GDallimore (Talk) 11:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was confused by the article saying "As the play progresses, the characters make choices each of which causes the story to go in one of two directions" ...which sounds to me like the hook I offered. Still happy to let you decide... I found the article much more intriguing than the hook. Victuallers (talk) 22:28, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. But just to make clear, the distinction between the (non-real) characters and the (real-life) actors is important when the play is actually produced. GDallimore (Talk) 01:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(alt2) ... that the 1982 play Intimate Exchanges by Alan Ayckbourn includes 31 scenes (pictured), 16 possible endings, 10 characters, and 8 major plot variations, all performed by only 2 actors?
Article before today was 1074 characters without references. It now stands at 5280 without references, contents header or image (and still rising). FruitMonkey (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also, does anyone know if this sentence should end in a question mark, or is the embedded question mark sufficient? FruitMonkey (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Dunne D.8, a British biplane flying in 1912, was equipped with a bicycle undercarriage and wingtip skids, a landing gear configuration shared with the much later U-2spyplane?
Article makes no reference to either bicycle undercarriages or the Lockheed U-2. The hook fact is thus not mentioned in the article as required by the DYK rules. --Allen3talk 22:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It turns out I mis-read the article the first time. How's this?
Expansion size and date verified, as well as the fact itself (from google books). Pcapping 19:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Election court
... that if an Election court in the United Kingdom finds someone guilty of a corrupt practice, they are prevented from voting or holding elected office for five years?
Ref checked with Google Translate and everything else also checks out. One suggestion with the hook is to include the English translation of Elfstedentocht... although the translation has no source. – VisionHolder « talk » 16:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Elfstedentocht is translated in that article's lede. Probably better to leave it untranslated to arouse curiosity. Mjroots (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tsunami is the wrong word for these waves, they may be meteotsunami or possibly just very large storm waves. Mikenorton (talk) 11:29, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, you're right—does the hook look better now? Thanks for your comment! —Ed(talk • majestic titan) 19:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you be more specific as to where the picture was taken? Obviously that can't be a pictrure of the whole line. Daniel Case (talk) 15:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that Jimmy Hughes, whose soul recordings "helped define the signature Muscle Shoals sound", retired from performing and recording at the age of 32?
Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1:... that Jos Buttler and fellow Somerset batsman Alex Barrow set a record-breaking opening stand in a 50-over national schools cricket game, scoring 340 for King's College, Taunton?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The quarterback part of the hook is sourced to this page which does not appear to be a reliable source as anyone can edit it. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LSU Sports source has replaced fanbase.com Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Because we don't know that LeSage was "the quarterback" as opposed to one of a few QBs on the squad, I suggest:
Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is a subjective assesement. For the hook to work, it needs to be made into a quote, and preferably attributed to a source. Dahn (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the input. Below is a proposed alternate (the citation is provided in the article). Dr.K.λogosπraxis 22:06, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the original hook might be suitable for next April Fool's Day. Mjroots (talk) 18:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length check out but both hooks have problems. I really like the first one in principle, but the article doesn't actually state Wooden Leg didn't have a Wooden leg - only that that's not where his name came from. And as for the second one, the article says Wooden Leg spoke "little" English, not none. Try a rephrase? - DustFormsWords (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are being a bit pedantic on your first point, this is clearly meant by implication in both the article and book. I was not really expecting the original hook to fly in any case, but if you want to use it, I have a source that specifically states this fact and it could be inserted in the article if necessary. On the second point, strictly speaking you are correct, I was trying to keep the hook snappy. Yes, it can be reworded, SpinningSpark 12:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC);[reply]
ALT:... that former State Fire Marshal V.J. Bella was the driving force behind the establishment of the Louisiana Firefighters Memorial in Baton Rouge?
Many unreliable sources present in the article. —Ed(talk • majestic titan) 05:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Citations 4 and 9 aren't useful, and perhaps 8 as well, but the primary citations are all good. Citations 6 and 7 are simply reprints of an Associated Press story (generally reliable) and of a major newspaper story (surely reliable). Nyttend (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have several concerns about this. First, I think most of the article (probably including any hook to be used) should be written in future tense. This is about a season that hasn't yet begun, with players who haven't yet enrolled in school. That brings up my second concern, which is to wonder about whether we should be putting a future event on the front page in this way. I'm asking for feedback on the latter concern at WT:DYKcmadler (talk) 19:07, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Every year I put Michigan football and basketball articles through the DYK process at this stage of development. There is no speculation as to whether the team will exist. I will consider the tense.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Arab village of Sulam(pictured) is identified with the ancient Shunama mentioned in the 14th century BCE Amarna letters, and with biblicalShunem?
Dates and expansion both good. AGF of offline sources. --Allen3talk 19:15, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Paul Mactire
... that a 17th century Scottish legend attempted to explain the vitrified fortress of Dun Creich by claiming it was built with an unidentified hard-mortar by Paul Mactire?
... that the historic Unity Ranger Station in northeastern Oregon has had a 60 foot high fire lookout tower (pictured) with a built in water tank located on the compound since 1938?
Date, length and hook all good with offline source accepted in good faith. Not that it matters, but the article was created 30 April, not 29 April. - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is only expanded to 4x, 1000 more characters to go... PleaseStand(talk) 22:21, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*scratches head* Are you sure? By my count, as of this diff, there were 580 characters, and 580x5=2900. Current count is 2943 characters. - The Bushranger (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My mistake in checking the expansion of the article. Approved. PleaseStand(talk) 22:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Elmer H. Inman
... that Elmer H. Inman married the daughter of the warden of his first prison?
AGF on print source, but that is the only source cited in the article. PleaseStand(talk) 22:34, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't find an online source. I think Jean LaBanta was DYK'ed with one source. Buggie111 (talk) 22:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Jean LaBanta was not nominated for DYK; check "What links here" and there is no link from the recent additions page, neither is there a DYK banner on the talk page. What it did go through was AfC, with the single source the same as in this article. I have no problem with approving this nomination except that upon making it to the main page, it would inevitably be tagged with the {{one source}} maintenance tag. PleaseStand(talk) 01:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possessive apostrophe convention-Wetman (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've fixed this issue (in the article). I couldn't see where in the citation provided that it specifically stated that the men were the "first" victims. The online source does say that the men were executed under the Commando Order, but does not (unless I missed something) specifically state that they were the first victims. I have added an offline source that specifically states this. A Google Books view can confirm this source: [2]. Another source that states this is Messenger, The Commandos: 1940-1946, p. 175, which can also be viewed in the Google books search listed previously. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 07:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that this is good to go as the date and length are fine and the hook is cited. Can someone else please confirm though? Because I was involved above in adding the citation above I am not really impartial on this matter anymore. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 11:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to go, offline ref AGF, all else good. Ericoides (talk) 09:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hook claims a level of certainty that is contradicted by the article. While the hook claims the name "has to do with" The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the strongest such claim in the article comes in the form of a quote saying "It is and it isn't." The article then goes on to add the claim that the name was chosen because it was one of the band members favorite numbers. --Allen3talk 15:30, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on April 28
Shi Tiesheng
... that Chinese writer Shi Tiesheng was paralyzed at age 21 while he was a zhiqing?
5x expanded by Larrybob (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I created this as a disambig page on 28 April then expanded it after Jim Michael started it as an article, so he deserves some of the credit. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'd favour ALT1 if only because "civil law court" and "court in the civil law system" don't mean the same thing; common law systems can have courts that deal exclusively with the civil law jurisdictions of tort and equity. - DustFormsWords (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually both these hooks are problematic both because of the passive voice ("it is said", "are said to") and on a factual basis, as the article goes on to explain that, well, maybe this maxim DOESN'T actually apply to civil law systems. Do you want to try some more alts maybe? - DustFormsWords (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand your objection. The article doesn't say that the maxim doesn't apply to civil law systems. It just says that the clear-cut distiction "civil law: yes, common law: no" is exaggerated, because the principle is subject to exceptions in the first case and somewhat applies in certain situations in the second case. But that distinction is, I believe, too subtle to encapsulate in a hook.
At any rate, here's a safe but boring hook: "... that where the legal maxim of iura novit curia applies, the parties to a legal dispute do not need to plead or prove the law that applies to their case?" Sandstein 12:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have some WP:BLP concerns with this article as written: a wholly negative opinion is one of the three sentences in the lead. I'm not convinced it should go onto the main page. Pcapping 19:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
CTM. When I wrote the article, I was afraid I was sugar-coating Shabazz. Much of what has been written about him is pretty negative. Even the source that mentions the "Young Lawyer" award prefaces it by saying "Remarkably, in 1998, Shabazz was named 'Young Lawyer of the Year'".
According to WP:LEDE, the opening section "should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any notable controversies." Shabazz may be best known for being a racist and an antisemite. If that disqualifies him from being a DYK, so be it. — Malik ShabazzTalk/Stalk 19:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oryzomys
... that the number of species in the rodent genusOryzomys (pictured) was reduced from 43 to five in 2006?
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hook/ref checked, 5x expansion, and an overall great article! – VisionHolder « talk » 17:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Burnham-on-Sea Low lighthouse, Burnham-on-Sea High Lighthouse, Burnham-on-Sea Round Tower
5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 13:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date and length check out, and image is appropriately labelled and has appropriate free use rationale, but the hook isn't supported by sources. Specifically, although the sources support that churches in western Ohio are predominantly Gothic Revival, and that St John's is Romanesque revival, there is no inline citation provided for the proposition that St John's is (as the article states) "unique", or (as the hook words it) rare. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If most churches in the region are one style, by definition a church of another style must be rare. That's the focus of the hook; it's directly supported by citation 5. The "unique" bit is concentrating on the size of the church and its style together, and it's referenced by citation 2. There's no need to place a citation after a sentence when it and the following sentence are sourced by the same citation, and I really don't see why you believe it to be a significant issue when it's not related to the DYK nomination. Nyttend (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, that's original research, and, more importantly, not logically valid. If 51 out of 100 cars are red, and 49 are blue, then "most cars are red is true" but "blue cars are rare" is not the logical result. Try another hook? As for citations, please see DYK Selection Criterion #3: "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." - DustFormsWords (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a fan of that hook, either. A church either is a Cathedral or it is not- the term has nothing to do with architecture and everything to do with whether a Bishop has his cathedra there. Replace "cathedral-like" with "Romanesque Revival" and it would be fine, IMO. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:43, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Accepting in good faith that the offline source supports the hook, I can now see no problems with the article and it is good to go. Thanks for your perserverance, Nyttend, and congratulations on another solid article! I've added the final (accepted) wording as ALT1 at the top of the discussion. - DustFormsWords (talk) 03:22, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would this also be suitable to feature here: Portal:Medicine and/or Portal:Pharmacology? (This made me notice that one of the current DYKs on this portal references a deleted article.) Regards, Captain n00dle\Talk 11:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 1...that 3 deaths in the late 19th century at the steps of Shippen Street led to its nickname, the Haunted "Steps of Weehawken"?
Comment - Re ALT1, there are two problems. One is that the article says "mid to late" rather than late, and the second is that one of the three deaths being counted is an unborn child. Can I propose the following ALT instead? - DustFormsWords (talk) 10:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ...that a series of deaths in the mid to late 19th century at the steps of Shippen Street led to its nickname, the Haunted "Steps of Weehawken"?
Comment - Re ALT2, that hook is better, the one I had would suggest that life definitively existed before birth. Good catch, thank you! - Theornamentalist (talk) 12:45, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sceurman remains further below with cell phone in hand – ready to dial “911” if his buddy plummets to his death – and his interpretation of the structure is spine-shivering. He recalls a story sent into his magazine earlier by a reader who wrote about the possibility of the “Steps of Weehawken” being haunted after someone fell down them. Remembering that tale, Sceuerman ends his exploration and scurries off the walkway.
However, the steps referred to in the reader’s story may actually be the nearby Shippen Street Steps, which still lie in the “Shades” area of town. An internet search turned up details of haunting deaths which occurred on those steps, including an 1898 New York Times obituary for a man who shot himself to death and was found at the head of the steps.
There seems to be doubt as to whether the steps referred to as "Steps of Weehawken" are the Shippen Street Steps.
There is a similar problem with the first hook about "Lombard Street of the East Coast" because the source, which is not reliable, does not say that the nickname was due to the hairpin curve.
The article also has many barelinks, which is not permissible for a DYK. Cunard (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is frankly a pretty dull hook IMO; there must be something better, maybe the fact that it was built in 1901, or that it was the first dormitory of the College. Incidentally, I was baffled by the fact that the article is named Hays Hall and the hall is supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hays, but the name of the building is consistently spelled Hayes Hall in the article. Is there some interesting story there, or just an error? --MelanieN (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's named after college president George P. Hays. (I fixed the Hayes misspelling, which was my bad).
So basically all the information in this article (for example, supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hayes, now corrected to George P. Hays) may or may not be correct - because the entire article is cited to a source which is not available for us to read? We try to WP:assume good faith here, but this seems like kind of a stretch. --MelanieN (talk) 05:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you're talking about. First, the article NEVER had anything about Rutherford B. Hays. Second, both sources ARE available to read. I have no idea what you're talking about.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My bad. For some reason the computer I was using last night would not go to the link; it didn't even look like a link. But it's OK on this computer. Sorry. --MelanieN (talk) 14:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but that doesn't explain why you said that the article was "supposedly named after Rutherford B. Hayes," which was NEVER the case. Then you implied that one shouldn't assume good faith. What gives?--GrapedApe (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Article looks OK and reffed... but only 2 refs and neither appear to be 3rd party ... can we add a quick 3rd ref?
Third, independent ref added. Should be good to go.--GrapedApe (talk) 05:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, and reference verified. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 06:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Special occasion holding area
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Did a copyedit and see no major issues. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Hooks can only be 200 characters long.
Everything checks out. I can't decide if the "fallout" is a nifty pun/turn of phrase, or potentially misleading (as there was, technically, no fallout). Maybe an Alt? But I won't hold it up over that quibble. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 03:15, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
Not new text. Moved from Occupation of the Baltic states. 13:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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