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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on October 9
Qmunity
- ... that Pride House Vancouver, located in the LGBT community centre Qmunity, was intended to be a venue for LGBT sportspeople during the 2010 Winter Olympics?
- ALT1:... that Pride House Vancouver, located in the LGBT community centre Qmunity, was one of the first two Pride Houses at an Olympics?
- ALT2:... that, during the 2010 Winter Olympics, Stephen Colbert visited Pride House Vancouver, which is located in the LGBT community centre Qmunity?
Created by Black Falcon (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Double-O Ranch Historic District
- ... that the Double-O Ranch Historic District in Harney County, Oregon was once owned by cattle baron Bill Hanley and is now part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge?
Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Prince Abbas Hilmi
- ... that Prince Abbas Hilmi, a great-grandson of both the last Ottoman sultan and the last Ottoman caliph, was the first foreign member of the London Stock Exchange?
Created by BomBom (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Ike Robin
- ... that according to one legend, professional wrestler and Maori Anglican Church member Ike Robin was once "so absorbed in his preaching that he failed to notice that the congregation comprised only his dog"?
Created by 72.74.224.230 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 22:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Jalavihar
- ... that the 18,000-square-foot (1,700 m2) wave pool at Hyderabad's Jalavihar, which is the largest in India, can accommodate about 1,000 people at a time?
Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 22:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
George Ambo
- ... that Papua New Guinean Anglican archbishop Sir George Ambo was "the first South Pacific native to be made a bishop", in 1960?
Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Podvugleš Tunnel
- ... that Podvugleš Tunnel (pictured) is separated from neighboring Javorova Kosa Tunnel by a 30-metre (98 ft) section of the Croatian A6 motorway?
Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 21:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
1995–96 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team, 1996–97 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team, 1997–98 Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey team
- ... that Michigan Wolverines men's ice hockey won the NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Tournament champions in both 1996 and 1998, but the 1996–97 team had the best record?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Adam of Kilconquhar
- ... that Adam of Kilconquhar, first husband of Robert the Bruce's mother Marjory of Carrick, died on crusade at Acre in 1271??
Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Shrewsbury
- ... that despite being the largest church in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, St Mary's (pictured) was declared redundant in 1987?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Tenczyn Castle
- ... that the Tenczyn Castle (pictured) was captured and pillaged because of a rumor that the Polish Crown Jewels were hidden in its walls?
Created by BurgererSF (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 19:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Astley and Tyldesley Collieries
- ... Gin Pit was the first colliery belonging to Astley and Tyldesley Collieries and its name suggests it had horse driven winding gear and was on the site of even older coal workings?
Created by J3Mrs (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Figaro (genus), Australian sawtail catshark, northern sawtail catshark
- ... that Figaro was brought back in 2008 for the Australian and northern sawtail catsharks?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Al-'Awasim
- ... that the al-'Awasim was the fortified frontier zone established by the Ummayad and Abbasid caliphates along their border with the Byzantine Empire?
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
BSA B50
- ... that The BSA B50 SS proved its credentials by winning the 500cc class in the Thruxton 500 and the Barcelona 24 hour endurance race?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
New Academy (Moscopole)
- ... that the New Academy, an 18th-century center of Greek culture in Moscopole, Albania, was nicknamed "the worthiest jewel of the city"?
Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Grandview Apostolic Church
- ... that the Grandview Apostolic Church was the second-oldest church in Brown County, Indiana until it was arsoned last July?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
ZETA
- ... that after John Cockroft announced with great fanfare that their new ZETA device (pictured) had achieved nuclear fusion, he was forced to retract this claim?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
List of Top Pops number-one singles
- ... that the Top Pops chart which ran for less than three years had fifteen number-one singles that failed to top the official UK Singles Chart?
Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 14:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
St Bartholomew's Church, Richard's Castle
- ... that the tower of St Bartholomew's Church, Richard's Castle, Herefordshire, is detached from the body of the church, standing about 10 metres to its east?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Lake Sausacocha
- ... that Lake Sausacocha in Peru is one of the rare Andean lakes with acidic waters?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Img added.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 10:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Quality of image is too poor..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sack of Amorium
- ... that the Sack of Amorium in 838 by the Abbasids discredited Byzantine Iconoclasm and led to the restoration of the veneration of icons?
5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Looking good. Great article. (Strictly speaking, the placement of the footnote isn't making it entirely clear whether the hook is completely covered by the ref, but I trust the author's good judgment in that.) Image would be nice, but I'm not sure it will work well on the main page at this small size. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Interspecific pregnancy
- ... that interspecific pregnancy may be used to have pigs carry human fetuses as a controversial alternative to surrogates or artificial uteri for gay males or women with damaged uteri?
5x expanded by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Washington Athletic Club
- ... that the 21-story Washington Athletic Club building was one of several skyscrapers built in Seattle, Washington in the 1930s that refused to acknowledge that it had a 13th floor?
Created by Publichall (talk). Self nom at 05:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Adams River (British Columbia)
- ... that the 2010 sockeye salmon run on the Adams River (pictured) in British Columbia, Canada, is the largest since 1913, with an estimated 9 million fish returning to the river to spawn?
5x expanded by The Interior (talk). Self nom at 04:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article is good but it needs small expansion. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Is length a problem right now? I wasn't sure if refs are included in calculating the 5X expansion.The InteriorTalk 16:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- 677 characters in prose before expansion, 2820 after expansion (should be 3385). Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Philipsburg Manor
- ... that Philipsburg Manor (Philipse Manor Hall pictured), one of the four main manors of the Province of New York, was dissolved in 1779 because its owner was a loyalist?
Created by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 02:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 8
Robert L. Bobbitt
- ... that the Anglo politician from Laredo and San Antonio, Texas, Robert Lee Bobbitt, championed Mexican American causes as early as the 1920s?
5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Charles de Lorme
- ... that physician Charles de Lorme prescribed an eye cosmetic concoction to French kings Henry IV and Louis XIII as a life extending medicine?
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 22:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Susisuchus
- ... that the Early Cretaceous crocodile relative Susisuchus was one of the first mesoeucrocodylians to have a shield of bony osteoderms over its back?
Created by Smokeybjb (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
2010–11 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that the 2010–11 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team is coming off of its first year with a postseason victory since the team 1998–99 team won two games in the 1999 National Invitation Tournament?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Javorova Kosa Tunnel
- ... that Javorova Kosa Tunnel (pictured) caved in during construction, requiring removal of 400 cubic metres (14,000 cubic feet) of rock and soil before the works could resume?
Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
St Martin's Church, Preston Gubbals
- ... that St Martin's Church, Preston Gubbals, Shropshire, has been the chancel of a medieval church, the south aisle of a 19th century church, and is now a free-standing structure?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
About the Mystery of the Letters
- ... that the anonymous 6th-century treatise About the Mystery of the Letters interpreted the three Greek numeral signs Digamma (6), Koppa (90) and Sampi (900) as mystical symbols of the Holy Trinity?
Created by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Some more Sampi fun (following up on that DYK of the other day). Translated from de-wiki. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
James Kennedy Patterson
- ... that James Kennedy Patterson (pictured), the first president of the University of Kentucky, once secured a personal loan to help the institution meet its financial obligations?
5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 18:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
St Peter and St Paul's Church, Preston Deanery
- ... that during the 16th century, St Peter and St Paul's Church, Preston Deanery, Northamptonshire, (pictured) was used as a dog kennel and a pigeon house?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:02, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Looks good. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sherman J. Maise
- ... that as a Federal Reserve System governor, Sherman J. Maisel served on a White House task force that suggested that Ginnie Mae and Fannie Mae play a greater role in funding mortgages for homebuyers?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Bobby Godsell
- ... that, after Bobby Godsell had resigned as Chairman of South African utilities company Eskom in 2009, he was accused of racism but defended by both the National Union of Mineworkers and the African National Congress?
Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Snares Snipe
- ... that the father Snares Snipe looks after the first chick to leave the nest, while the mother takes care of the second?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 13:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Tuhobić Tunnel
- ... that Tuhobić Tunnel is the longest tunnel on the Croatian A6 motorway route (pictured)?
5x expanded by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Antique Motorcycle Club of America
- ... that the Antique Motorcycle Club of America is one of the largest organisations of antique motorcycle enthusiasts in the world, with membership of over 11,000?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 09:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Length meets minimums for article and maximum for hook, but the source of the hook is the club itself. Can an independent reliable and verifiable source be added to support the hook? Also, should we use "organizations" vs. "organisations" given that this is an American club. Alansohn (talk) 12:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Laguna de Paca, Jauja
- ... that Laguna de Paca (pictured) lies 4 kilometres to the north of Jauja, Peru?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk),. Self nom at 08:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 11:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd like to suggest the following ALT. I added an inline ref immediately after the "capital" hook fact. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Jauja, located near Laguna de Paca (pictured), was the capital of Peru before the founding of Lima?
- Thanks. It is fine.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 02:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sulla's civil wars
- ... that, during Sulla's civil wars, Romans were killed if the consul Gaius Marius did not nod to them in response to a conversation?
- ALT1:... that, although the Roman general Sulla was a former lieutenant of Gaius Marius, the two became bitter enemies during Sulla's civil wars?
Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Not sure why the article link is in red. If you type in "Sulla's civil wars" in the search engine, the page should come up.DCI2026 (talk) 02:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. Something was wrong with the apostrophe. Canadian Paul 02:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- <Insert obligatory cliche about great minds and thinking here.> Ucucha 02:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Don't be so hard on yourself Ucucha, haha. I haven't reviewed for DYK acceptability, but I think the original hook is the more interesting one... the ALT seemed to happen a lot in those days... Canadian Paul 02:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article's bare URL references should be formatted. Also, I'd prefer a more recent and more scholarly ref for the hook fact. Ucucha 02:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Don't be so hard on yourself Ucucha, haha. I haven't reviewed for DYK acceptability, but I think the original hook is the more interesting one... the ALT seemed to happen a lot in those days... Canadian Paul 02:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- <Insert obligatory cliche about great minds and thinking here.> Ucucha 02:36, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Marko Račič
- ... that in 1997 Marko Račič became the only Slovenian to receive the Gold Badge of the European Athletic Association?
Created by Canadian Paul (talk). Self nom at 01:47, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Sir Edgar Horne, 1st Baronet
- ... that the British businessman and Member of Parliament Sir Edgar Horne owned most of the village of Shackleford in Surrey?
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 7
Kenneth North
- ... that Kenneth North was a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center
- ... that the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center was created in July of 2008 to protect American consumers from potentially harmful trade goods?
Created by Janeway Ranch (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 06:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Gwichyaa Gwich’in
- ... that the Gwich'yaa, easternmost of the Gwich’in groups, derive income from trapping and selling handicrafts?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 02:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Marguerite Bériza, Orville Harrold
- ... that the French opera singer Marguerite Bériza (pictured) appeared in 1917 in Ravinia Park with Orville Harrold as Mascagni's Santuzza and Massenet's Manon?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Bériza is a new article and Harrold is a more than 5x expansion. The hook fact can be found with a citation in the Bériza article.4meter4 (talk) 06:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Kathy and Carol
- ... that folk singers Kathy & Carol released their sophomore album 45 years after their debut?
Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Nominated by Ghmyrtle (talk) at 14:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: Article started on 7 Oct by Yorkshiresky, 5x expanded on 8 Oct by Ghmyrtle - so do we both deserve credits? Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Sean McCorkle
- ... that Sean McCorkle is nicknamed "Big Sexy", having previously called himself "The Hater", "The Big Angry", "Big Hungry" and "The Alpha Male"?
Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 10:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:*... that Super Heavyweight Sean McCorkle has been nicknamed "The Hater", "The Big Angry", "Big Hungry" and "The Alpha Male", and claims he changes his nickname "to keep it interesting"? DS (talk) 20:57, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm happy with the ALT hook! Thanks Paralympiakos (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Millennium Bailey's Hotel and James Bailey (UK politician)
- ... that Abu Bakar of Johor died in 1895 at the Bailey's Hotel (founded by James Bailey) ?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Hyalella azteca
- ... that Hyalella azteca (pictured) is the most abundant amphipod in North American lakes?
Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
140th Year Anniversary Celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation
- ... that the 140th Year Anniversary Celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 2003 commemorated the executive order issued by Abraham Lincoln in 1863?
Created by Cwestllc (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 03:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Cloud gaming
- ... that OnLive uses a type of online gaming called cloud gaming that allows users to play console games from all consoles on their computer?
Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 23:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date and length look good. AGF for the ref. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not using any non-English or offline sources, so why is it AGF and not just an actual check of the ref itself? SilverserenC 01:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Also,
are you sure the hook fact is actually in the article right now? Console games from all consoles? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good point, I probably won't be able to back up the "all" part. How about this...
- (Alt 1) ... that OnLive uses a type of online gaming called cloud gaming that allows users to play console games from different consoles on their computer? SilverserenC 01:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
That's better. And sorry about the AGF, I forgot it only applied to offline and foreign language sources. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention anywhere, that the games currently offered are (exclusively or otherwise) console games; it also doesn't mention as a fact, that they are games from different consoles, as opposed to one particular console. As far as I can see, the hook fact is not currently stated within the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, it directly states "Assassin's Creed" and "Mass Effect 2", which are from different consoles. If you need me to state it directly in the article, I will, since it is directly stated in most of the references. SilverserenC 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough, but yes I think it should be stated explicitly in the article if it is used in the hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uh, it directly states "Assassin's Creed" and "Mass Effect 2", which are from different consoles. If you need me to state it directly in the article, I will, since it is directly stated in most of the references. SilverserenC 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Also,
- ALT2 ... that cloud gaming developments allow players to access their saved games at multiple locations, using the same game data on platforms ranging from desktop computers to tablet devices?
- (this is my attempt at a hook for this without a company name or brand name in it) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would prefer to not use this Alt, since it isn't as interesting as the one I gave. This makes it sound kind of boring and wordy. SilverserenC 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Depends what the reader finds interesting - the existing hook, at first reading, makes it sound rather like MESS. (I was going to add the word "modern" somewhere to avoid that potential confusion - since some thin client services already offer emulated games from older consoles, and many readers would be most familiar with that.) But whatever hook you prefer is fine, so long as the hook fact is actually stated in the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, after thinking about it, i'm fine with your alt. It does convey more about what cloud gaming does. SilverserenC 18:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've trimmed my suggested ALT2 to make it a bit less wordy. It's quite difficult to get across the potential this concept has, without building a huge unwieldy hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, after thinking about it, i'm fine with your alt. It does convey more about what cloud gaming does. SilverserenC 18:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Depends what the reader finds interesting - the existing hook, at first reading, makes it sound rather like MESS. (I was going to add the word "modern" somewhere to avoid that potential confusion - since some thin client services already offer emulated games from older consoles, and many readers would be most familiar with that.) But whatever hook you prefer is fine, so long as the hook fact is actually stated in the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would prefer to not use this Alt, since it isn't as interesting as the one I gave. This makes it sound kind of boring and wordy. SilverserenC 04:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Rocky Top's Sundance Kid
- ... that Ch. Rocky Top's Sundance Kid is the most successful Colored Bull Terrier show dog of all time?
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date and length look good. AGF for the ref. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
There isn't a citation after the fact in the lead. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Added the citation from the body to the lead. Miyagawa (talk) 11:45, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
National Foundation for Women Legislators
- ... that Nevada politician Sharron Angle serves as a legislative chairwoman for the National Foundation for Women Legislators?
5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 23:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date and length of expansion looks good. AGF for the ref. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)
Reevaluated as AGF only applies to offline and foreign sources. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)
French ironclad Richelieu
- ... that the French ironclad Richelieu was cast loose by her tugboat during a storm in the Bay of Biscay while being towed to the ship breakers in 1911; she survived the storm and was recovered near the Scilly Isles?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date and length of expansion looks good. AGF for the ref. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Most Ljubavi
- ... that one of the 15 bridges in Vrnjačka Banja, Serbia is the Bridge of Love (pictured), enclosed by love padlocks?
Created by WhiteWriter (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- added "the" Victuallers (talk) 21:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The article length is 2200 characters, but most of that is from the quote, which I believe we have to exclude when considering length. 28bytes (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, per A2, since it's a block quote. SilverserenC 23:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Why don't you try to the website/board as a source instead of quoting it? This way, the text will be counted for the length requirement. Be mindful of Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing though :) — Toдor Boжinov — 07:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fix and little expanded. :) Also, source is in the public domain, so Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing cannot be used here. --WhiteWriter speaks 10:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- The length is good now. I think it needs a little copy-editing, though; I'd offer to do this but it might be better if someone more familiar with the bridge and its story (or at least the source language) could do so... I don't want to unwittingly introduce errors due to my unfamiliarity with the topic. 28bytes (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed, the length is good, but there's definitely close paraphrasing and WhiteWriter is yet to provide evidence as to why the board/website would be public domain. If that's cleared up or if the section is rewritten, it would be good to go, but for now it's too close to the original text and it seems to be copyrighted. — Toдor Boжinov — 11:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- OK, doesn't matter, i cannot find source that it is in public domain, so i rewrite it. Hope now it is good. Third luck! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 12:52, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, comparing it to the original translated quote that you initially used, I think it's far enough from the original to pass. Length, date and hook verified. — Toдor Boжinov — 14:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Mycena clariviolacea, Mycena fonticola, Mycena fuscoaurantiaca, Mycena intersecta, Mycena lanuginosa, Mycena multiplicata, Mycena mustea, Mycena nidificata
- ... that the mushrooms Mycena clariviolacea, M. fonticola, M. fuscoaurantiaca, M. intersecta, M. lanuginosa, M. multiplicata, M. mustea, and M. nidificata, newly described in 2007, are only known from Kanagawa, Japan?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date and length good for all of them. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Reevaluated as AGF only applies to offline and foreign language sources. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
RMAS Typhoon (A95)
- ... that RMAS Typhoon, a veteran of the Falklands War, once towed a burning butane tanker away from the village of Brixton, Devon?
- Comment: Bit of a rubbish picture, I'm aware, and doesn't really add much to the DYK - but I thought it best to include it anyway. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Expanded 5x by User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Only 1200 characters. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- My apologies: I put 'created' when I actually expanded it. Does the 1,500 still apply? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, all articles on DYK have to have a minimum of 1500 characters of prose. ~NerdyScienceDude 22:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Samuel May Wiliams House
- ... that from the widow's walk of the Samuel May Williams House people could watch horse races at the nearby race track?
Created by Karanacs (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article are ok, but there needs to be an explicit source added to the statement in the article that corresponds to the hook. Alansohn (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Cheney Racing
- ... that British Cheney Racing hand built motorcycles can take over 400 hours to complete?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Enterprise Allowance Scheme
- ... that Creation Records, Superdry and Viz magazine were all started with funding from the Enterprise Allowance Scheme?
Created by Dylanfromthenorth (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Pendock Church
- ... that Edward Elgar may have played on the organ of the now-redundant Pendock Church (pictured)?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- hook is good to go. Dincher (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Legitimate expectation in Singapore
- ... that in a 1988 administrative law judgment, the High Court of Singapore held that an alien allowed to enter the country for a fixed period has no legitimate expectation of staying a day longer?
Created by Jane Lim (talk), Jerrie.tan (talk), Nicoxy (talk), Zquek (talk) and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 18:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
1969–70 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that five players from the 1969–70 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team were selected in the NBA Draft?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 01:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Stephen Pace (artist)
- ... that though his work usually appeared to have been painted very quickly, Stephen Pace was often able to make subtle fixes to his art, saying of himself that "You might call me a fake Zen painter"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Bird class patrol vessel
- ... that Bird class patrol vessels were so unsuccessful that they were never used in their designed role?
- Comment: My first DYK nom! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Created by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Better, ... that two Bird class patrol vessels were... -- John of Reading (talk) 18:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
UAAP Season 67 men's basketball tournament
- ... that the deciding game of the 2004 UAAP men's college basketball finals was played a day before the 29th anniversary of the Thrilla in Manila at the same venue?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 16:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Chusovaya River
- ... that a tributary of the Chusovaya River (pictured) naturally dives underground for about 6 kilometres (3.7 mi)?
- Comment: The hook is near the end of "hydrography". Materialscientist (talk) 15:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Very good expansion, but a lot of Russian-language sources. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 16:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I know .. it is a river in the midst of Russian nowhere. ALT1 ... that 23 ships crashed at one cliff on the Chusovaya River (another cliff pictured) in the spring of 1877? This hook is in history and is backed by 2 Russian books. Materialscientist (talk) 04:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Demon Cat
- ... that a Washington DC legend states that a Demon Cat lives in the basement crypts at Capitol Hill?
5x expanded by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 13:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Article has not been 5x expanded. ~NerdyScienceDude 01:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think I might be confused about the rules here, but as far as I was aware the article had gone from 375 characters [1] to 1989 characters in my revision, which is a 5x expansion no? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 10:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- The DYK check tool says it has 1880 characters of prose. It needs 5 more characters to reach a 5x expansion. ~NerdyScienceDude 15:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oh! Well my apologies then. I've corrected that oversight. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Perhapsatron
- ... that Jim Tuck named his pioneering fusion power system the Perhapsatron, reflecting his skepticism that it would actually work?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. I added a source available online through Google Books to the sentence in the lead that best matches the DYK hook. Alansohn (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Edentulina moreleti
- ... that Edentulina moreleti (shell pictured) is the only known herbivorous streptaxid?
Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 10:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
UAAP Season 68 men's basketball tournament
- ... that after the first game of the 2005 UAAP men's basketball finals, a De La Salle University-Manila assistant team manager hit Arwind Santos (pictured) at the back of his head?
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 09:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
All good. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 8:52pm • 09:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 *... that at the end of the first game of the 2005 UAAP men's basketball finals, a De La Salle University-Manila assistant team manager ran onto the court and hit opposing player Arwind Santos (pictured) in the back of the head? DS (talk) 16:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Branchinecta brushi
- ... that the fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi is the highest crustacean in the world, living at 5,930 m (19,460 ft) in the Chilean Andes?
Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hook doesn't make much sense. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 8:54pm • 09:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I'm going to need a little more detail than that if I'm to be able to improve it. The fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi is a crustacean. It lives at 5,930 m in the Chilean Andes. No other crustacean lives higher. Thus, the fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi is the higest crustacean in the world, living [as it does] at 5,930 m (19,460 ft) in the Chilean Andes. I'm open to suggestions for improvement, but those are the facts that should be reported. --Stemonitis (talk) 09:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- How about "...living at an altitude of 5,930..." -- John of Reading (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) How about;
- ALT2 ... that the fairy shrimp Branchinecta brushi lives at 5,930 m (19,460 ft) in the Chilean Andes, higher than any other crustacean in the world?
- And, incidentally, could the height be rounded to either 6,000m (and the ft equivalent) or 20,000ft (and the m equivalent) to make it slightly easier to read? I assume it's that precise because it lives in a specific lake or something that is at that specific height, but then even the lake has depth so a little rounding might not hurt. Just a thought, I don't know how these things are normally expressed.
- --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Also, is the fact accurate, since the article states that another crustacean Branchinecta valchetana lives at the same height? Is Branchinecta valchetana also a shrimp, and if not, can we just replace the word "crustacean" with "shrimp"? Or is that not really an accurate enough term? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be happy with the rounding, provided it's noted (e.g. "at around 6,000 m..."), since the mountain does not actually reach 6,000 m (let alone 20,000 ft, another 96 m higher). Boeckella palustris (not Branchinecta valchetana) does live in the same place, so one could argue that Br. brushi is joint highest, but I think that's probably nitpicking. I would argue that Br. brushi is the highest, and so is Bo. palustris. Neither, incidentally, is a shrimp, and in any case, that would be a less remarkable fact than being the superlative among a much bigger group. ALT2 looks fine to me, as does John of Reading's suggestion. --Stemonitis (talk) 12:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Alt is fine :) —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:14am • 00:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Military engineering-technical university
- ... that the Military engineering-technical university (pictured) in Saint Petersburg was the alma mater of author Fyodor Dostoyevsky?
5x expanded by 91.122.25.79 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 05:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
All good. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 9:07pm • 10:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
2009–10 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that the 2009–10 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team earned the first postseason college basketball victory for Princeton since the 1999 National Invitation Tournament?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
No problems. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 9:05pm • 10:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Herb Wilkinson
- ... that Herb Wilkinson, a devout Mormon, quit his professional basketball job with the Minneapolis Lakers because they made him play on Sundays?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:45, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt1:... that Herb Wilkinson hit the game-winning shot in the 1944 NCAA Men's Basketball Championship?
- Alt2:... that after winning the 1944 NCAA Men's Basketball Championship with Utah, Herb Wilkinson transferred to Iowa because it offered a dental school? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
All hooks backed up with appropriate references. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 9:03pm • 10:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Go with the original or with ALT2. Nothing particularly interesting about ALT1. DS (talk) 16:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 6
Sara Copia Sullam
- ... that letters from the 17th century Catholic monk Ansaldo Cebà to married Jewess Sara Copia Sullam included elements of sexual implication and physical allusion?
Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 17:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Wellington Fault
- ... that the southernmost section of the Wellington Fault, North Island New Zealand, has moved at a rate of 6.0–7.6 mm/yr for the last 140,000 years, from the offset of dated river terraces?
5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 13:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
John Douglas (conductor)
- ... that John Douglas conducted more than 50 opera productions at Temple University?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Pholiota squarrosa
- ... that the parasitic mushroom Pholiota squarrosa (pictured) has a strong garlic smell?
Created by The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk). Self nom at 18:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Good subject area :-) but article needs to be 1500 characters to qualify for DYK. Let me know if you need help. Sasata (talk) 18:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Concur, I have just left a message for the nominator. EdChem (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
1994 College Baseball All-America Team
- ... that the 1994 College Baseball All-America Team included four future Major League Baseball All-Stars: Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Varitek, Danny Graves and Mike Hampton?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Michael Salyer Stone House
- ... that the wood frame and clapboard in the apexes of the gambrel roof on the Michael Salyer Stone House (pictured) in Orangetown, New York, are rarely found on Rockland County stone houses?
- ALT1:=... that the wood frame and clapboard in the apexes of the gambrel roof on the Michael Salyer Stone House (pictured) in Orangetown, New York, may reflect Huguenot building traditions?
- Comment: Fivefold text expansion
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 14:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Davud Pasha
- ... that Albanian Grand Vizier Davud Pasha built the largest public baths in the Balkans?
5x expanded by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
5x expansion, length and hook verified, but I had to move the article to the 6 October section. Remember that it's supposed to go under the date when the expansion started or the article was created, not under the date of nomination :) — Toдor Boжinov — 10:42, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Redline (2010 film)
- ... that Redline, Madhouse's latest anime movie, took 7 years and 100,000 hand-made drawings to be produced?
Created by Goodraise (talk) and KrebMarkt (talk). Nominated by KrebMarkt (talk) at 21:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Any hope to get a slot for October 9, 2010? That's when it will open in Japan. Thanks. KrebMarkt (talk)
Austin Volk
- ... that, while serving in the Solomon Islands during World War II, Austin Volk discovered a river which he named "Brown Bear River" in honor of his alma mater, Brown University?
- ALT1: ... that both school desegregation and major riots affected Englewood, New Jersey while Austin Volk was its mayor?
Created by RFD (talk), Marknutley (talk), and Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Mandarax (talk) at 20:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC) [original]; Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 21:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC) [alt]
- The New Jersey hook was nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 21:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC) under the October 7 heading, but the article was created on October 6. I moved it here as an ALT. (I like mine better, but I may not be completely impartial in the matter.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- The original hook shouldn't be changed to an alt, so I've converted yours into the alt. Nyttend (talk) 02:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that the original shouldn't be changed to an ALT, and that's why I did it the way I did, since mine was the original, posted an hour before the other one. But I don't think it really matters, so I just fixed the formatting but didn't change the order again. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oh. I'm very sorry; RFD asked me to nominate it for DYK, so I assumed that it hadn't already been nominated. Nyttend (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- No problem. I was also asked by RFD to nominate it. Thanks for switching the hooks back. @Alansohn: When I first saw that it was an article about a New Jersey politician, I, too, was surprised to see that it was written by someone other than you! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oh. I'm very sorry; RFD asked me to nominate it for DYK, so I assumed that it hadn't already been nominated. Nyttend (talk) 13:17, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for the article and both hooks have been verified. When Volk died I put a copy of the newspaper on my "to do eventually" pile, assuming that no one would have any interest in someone who was mayor of the town next door to mine, and I'm still astonished that any other editor would have gotten to creating an article for Volk before I did. This article is a great example of collaborative work to create a very thorough article. Alansohn (talk) 12:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Len Garrison
- ... that Len Garrison's (pictured) life work in cataloguing the development of the black British identity and history led to formation of the Black Cultural Archives, and plans for the UK's first national Black heritage centre in 2011?
Created by Lagosman (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 04:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
All good. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 9:10pm • 10:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- The hook, at 221 characters, is too long. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, quite right, sorry; try this, below, which is just under 200, including the '(pictured)'. Chzz ► 19:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- ... that Len Garrison's (pictured) writings about black British identity and history led to formation of the Black Cultural Archives, and plans for the first UK national Black heritage centre in 2011?
- Hook length is fine now. Note that (pictured) is not counted, so the hook is actually 186 characters. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Jack Cox (Texas)
- ... that Texas Republican politician Jack Cox lost important races to two better-known candidates, John Connally and George Herbert Walker Bush?
- ALT: ... that Texas Republican politician Jack Cox once termed his opponent, John Connally, as "Lyndon's Boy, John"?
5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Jaguar C-X75
- ... that to honour Jaguar Cars' 75th anniversary, the carmaker developed the Jaguar C-X75 (pictured), a plug-in hybrid two-seat concept car which debuted at the 2010 Paris Motor Show?
5x expanded by Theorb (talk), Pineapple fez (talk), Toovo1985 (talk), and Mariordo (talk). Nominated by Mariordo (talk) at 02:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been confirmed. Alansohn (talk) 13:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Image has no alt-text or rollover text? May seem like nitpicking, but it's important. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oops, you got me on that one, I guess I chose the wrong template, because I did not mean to have a caption or something. I really do not know what an alt-text or rollover text is. Can you help me? If it is a caption, it would be "Jaguar C-X75 exhibited at the 2010 Paris Motor Show.-Mariordo (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- An by the way, there is a new picture available of better quality, so I did change it.-Mariordo (talk) 02:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed captions, hide credits. --NortyNort (Holla) 03:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
WKCS
- ... that a student-run high school station offers the only oldies radio in the Knoxville, Tennessee, market?
5x expanded by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Gracie Cole
- ... that when trumpeter Gracie Cole made her first BBC Radio broadcast in 1939, Brass Band News advised all bandsmen to listen because "they will be surprised to hear such fine playing from a girl"?
- ALT1:... that when trumpeter Gracie Cole won the Alexander Owen memorial scholarship in 1942 by an unprecedented 21-point margin, she was the first woman ever to enter the competition?
- Comment:
Hooks areMain hook is cited to Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, a UK library card is required for access.
Created by January (talk). Self nom at 22:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- For Alt 1, there's an additional online source which confirms all details
except the 21-point margin.Alternative hook with an online source:- ALT2:... that trumpeter Gracie Cole, as lead soloist of Ivy Benson's All-Girl Orchestra, performed in a live radio broadcast from Hamburg following the King's Christmas Day speech in 1945?
- January (Cassandra 73) talk 12:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Sean Morton
- ... that Sean Morton claims that, while in India, Nepalese monks taught him the secret of time travel?
5x expanded by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook are fine. I added a source to the article that explicitly supports the hook. Alansohn (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Zeppelin L.19 (LZ 54)
- ... that after crashing in the North Sea in February 1916, the crew of the Zeppelin L.19 died because the crew of a British fishing boat refused to rescue them?
Created by Catsmeat (talk). Self nom at 21:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Surely that should be "because the crew of a British fishing boat" -- John of Reading (talk) 10:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Seems reasonable. Inserted "the crew of". -- Catsmeat (talk) 12:46, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 13:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Hero's Medal, Meritorious Service Medal (China)
- ... that the Hero's Medal and the Meritorious Service Medal are currently the highest and the second highest military decoration in the People's Republic of China?
- ALT ... that the Hero's Medal and the Meritorious Service Medal, currently the highest and the second highest military decoration in China, were conceived during the Korean War?
Created by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 21:11, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Both verified, AGF on the offline source. Google translate seemed to corroborate the hook but I am AGF on that as well. --NortyNort (Holla) 03:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Danni Lowinski
- ... that Danni Lowinski is the first German TV series that is planned to be adapted for the American audience?
- ALT1:... that The CW plans to adapt German TV series Danni Lowinski, the first time a German TV series is adapted for the American audience?
- ALT2:... that The CW plans to adapt German TV series Danni Lowinski?
Created by SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 19:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified, as long as my understanding of the German source is accurate. All three hooks basically say the same thing, though I'd lean to the original hook or ALT1. Alansohn (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Andy Albeck
- ... that at the helm of United Artists, Andy Albeck oversaw production of Raging Bull, a film mentioned as among the greatest ever, as well as Heaven's Gate, the biggest box office bomb at the time?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
St Nicholas of Myra's Church, Ozleworth
- ... that St Nicholas of Myra's Church, Ozleworth (pictured), has one of the only two hexagonal towers in Gloucestershire?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 00:52, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Arthur Holch
- ... that Walk in My Shoes by Arthur Holch, aired by ABC in 1961, "to a degree never before achieved in TV documentary" depicted life "in the Negro's world and sharing the frustration that is his lot"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 00:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
List of Somerset cricket captains
- ... that Brian Rose was Somerset County Cricket Club's most successful captain, leading the side to five one-day trophies in as many years?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Tett turret
- ... that the garrison of a Tett turret (pictured) could face a fight to the death?
- Comment: Moved to the main space today.
Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 07:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 "... that lacking any means to exit the structure in the face of enemy fire, the garrison of a Tett turret (pictured) could face a fight to the death?" Alansohn (talk) 13:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- I was trying too hard to be pithy - ALT1 is better. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I have problems with this hook; it implies the design favoured a fight to the death, where actually it almost necessitated such a fight. In my opinion misleading. The article itself checks out fine for all criteria, maybe try another hook?
- I think the ALT1 hook is OK. The occupants might have the option to surrender instead of fighting to the death, or they might succeed in forcing their opponents to withdraw and regroup, rather than killing them. I think "could" covers the likelihood sufficiently, especially since it's hypothetical anyway. Incidentally, I wonder if "the occupants" might read better than "the garrison", since the thing is only a few feet wide. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that ALT1's use of the word "could" combined with the explanation in the hook's first clause makes its sufficiently clear what the circumstances might have been. Alansohn (talk) 13:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Ka'Kabish
Created by Ba-Balam-Ma (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 06:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Ending of first and last sections missing citations and there are two unformatted references. The hook, in the lead, doesn't have a citation after it as well. Also, what is up with that funk definition in the lead? I am not too familiar in this area and am curious.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've fixed the references; the new user didn't really know about the need to repeat the ref, when the same one covered the remainder of the section. The 'funk' was a Spanish dic def, which I managed to get translated by a Spanish-speaker. So, hopefully, I have addressed the issues; please re-check. Thanks a lot, Chzz ► 07:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, looks better. I had to make a few more edits but it is verified now. Thanks for the translation.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Boletellus ananas, Boletellus
- ... that the type species of the fungal genus Boletellus is the pineapple bolete (pictured)?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates and lengths both good. AGF of offline sourcing. --Allen3 talk 21:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Hunter Corbett
- ... that Hunter Corbett, an American Presbyterian missionary, founded the first university in China?
5x expanded by Sachinvenga (talk). Nominated by GrapedApe (talk) at 05:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
A five times expansion happened on 25 and 26 September. Nominating this on 6 October is somewhat too late. The rules say that the expansion must have happened between the last five days. Sorry. Schwede66 18:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
1982 Bangladesh coup d'état
- ... that the Supreme Court of Bangladesh declared the 1982 military coup led by General Hussain Muhammad Ershad to be illegal?
Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been reviewed successfully. Alansohn (talk) 13:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Jack Parkinson (basketball)
- ... that Jack Parkinson won both the 1946 NIT and 1948 NCAA championships?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 03:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt1:... that Jack Parkinson passed up a Major League Baseball contract with the Cincinnati Reds to play for Adolph Rupp and the Kentucky Wildcats men's basketball team?
- Alt2:... that University of Kentucky basketball star Jack Parkinson delayed attending his senior year so he could fight in the United States Army for 11 months? Jrcla2 (talk) 03:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I think we should go with ALT1 the initial hook seems to imply that he one the tourneys by himself which of course he didn't since basketball is a team sport, but we can't assume that all readers no this. ALT2 is certainly notable, but not all that unusual given the time period. Turning down a pro contract to play college ball is notable. Dincher (talk) 01:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Archaeomarasmius, Aureofungus, Coprinites, Protomycena
- ... that Archaeomarasmius, Aureofungus, Coprinites, and Protomycena are the only four genera of agaric mushrooms known from the fossil record?
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Article lengths, dates, and hook length all good, hook fact verified ... and subject matter is absolutely fantastic :) Changed the nonexistent word "agaricalian" to "agaric", and linked genera. Sasata (talk) 05:36, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Cement lorry rammed into Leinster House
- ... that a cement lorry with the slogans “Toxic Bank Anglo” written on the barrel was driven into the gates of Leinster House on September 29, 2010, in protest of the €29.3 billion Anglo Irish Bank bailout?
- Comment: I'm not sure if that's the appropriate article title, feel free to rename
Created by Smallman12q (talk). Self nom at 01:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 5
Bill Andriette
- ... that Bill Andriette was 15 years old when he joined the pedophile organization North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)?
Created by Lionelt (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
World's littlest skyscraper
- ... that the world's littlest skyscraper, located in downtown Wichita Falls, Texas, is only 40 ft (12 m) tall, with exterior dimensions of 18 ft (5.5 m) by 10 ft (3.0 m)?
Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook refs verified. Added conversions. Cute article. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Cad Bane
- ... that the character Cad Bane from Star Wars: The Clone Wars was inspired after George Lucas suggested that the bounty hunter in the series should go Western?
Created by Jhenderson777 (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook ref OK, but many links are bare URLs. I tried to fix a few of them; please fix the rest per WP:Citation templates. Yoninah (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok I cited the episode and comic ones. You seem to have done the rest. Is it better now? − Jhenderson 777 23:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
St Wilfrid's Church, Ribchester
- ... that the St Wilfrid's Church in Ribchester (pictured) is situated close to the site of a Roman fort?
- ALT1:... that the St Wilfrid's Church in Ribchester (pictured) was designated a Grade I listed building by English Heritage in 1966?
Created by Belovedfreak (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 01:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length OK. Would you consider a more interesting hook, like:
- ALT2: ... that St Wilfrid's Church (pictured) and its rectory in Ribchester, Lancashire, were constructed in the 13th century of sandstone rubble? Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
St. Johns River Light
- ... that the land around the St. Johns River Light in
Jacksonville, Florida has been raised 7 feet, burying the door and making the tower accessible only through a window 8 feet off the ground? 5x expanded by Cuchullain (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Verified, AGF on the offline reference.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
The Alliance for Safe Children
- ... that according to studies published by The Alliance for Safe Children, in Bangladesh every day an estimated 46 children die from drowning?
5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC has 50 a day; another document on the organization's website has 45 a day, I believe. I don't think that goes to credibility, but please feel free to browse around and check. I personally don't care which number we pull--I'm much more interested in pulling those kids out of the water. :( Drmies (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- In the interest of full disclosure, the article is currently at AfD; I hope it won't stay there long. Drmies (talk) 17:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Battle of Velasco
- ... that portable palisades carried by Texians at the Battle of Velasco were completely ineffective against Mexican gunfire?
5x expanded by Karanacs (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 01:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Church of St George, Kyustendil
- ... that even though it was outside the city at the time, the medieval Church of St George (pictured) in Kyustendil, Bulgaria, was Kyustendil's cathedral until 1816?
Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 07:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Fixed grammar in hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Jørgen Brønlund
- ... that Kalaallit Jørgen Brønlund was a member of the 1902-1903 Danish Literary Greenland Expedition, along with Knud Rasmussen, Harald Moltke, and Ludvig Mylius-Erichsen?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Robert Russ
- ... that after Robert E. Russ sold land in Lincoln Parish to a railroad, the depot site became the focus of the future city of Ruston, Louisiana?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length OK, but the hook inaccurately quotes the source. How about this:
- ALT1: ... that in 1883, after Robert Russ was persuaded to donate 600 acres of land for a new townsite in Lincoln Parish, Louisiana, the town was called Russ Town — now the city of Ruston and the parish seat? Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fine, but is this revised hook too long? Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Ljubljana Central Market
- ... that the Central Market (pictured) in Ljubljana was designed by the Slovenian architect Jože Plečnik?
Created by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Length, date and hook reference check up. — Toдor Boжinov — 07:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Ter Apel Monastery
- ... that the Dutch Ter Apel Monastery (pictured), founded by the Croziers, used to make money by leasing loam-rich land from the hamlet of Weerdinge and then leasing it to the hamlet of Roswinkel?
Created by Drmies (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 01:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
2003–04 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that in his final season as Princeton Tigers men's basketball head coach, John Thompson III led the 2003–04 team to the 2004 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- 1497 characters. Go elaborate on somthing. Buggie111 (talk) 22:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
It has now been expanded. Date, length and hook reference all fine and dandy. Chzz ► 06:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Nevenka Urbanova
- ... that at the time of her death in 2007, Nevenka Urbanova (pictured) was the oldest living Serbian actor?
Created by WhiteWriter (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length and hook reference (via Google Translate) check out. I slightly altered the hook. 28bytes (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Isa Kremer
- ... that a deadly anti-Semitic riot involving approximately 10,000 people erupted in Warsaw in 1922 in response to a planned concert of Yiddish song by soprano Isa Kremer (pictured)?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready Dincher (talk) 00:00, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Dick Griffey
- ... that Stevie Wonder said that "professionally, I could not talk about my life without there being a chapter on how Dick Griffey, as a promoter, helped to build my career"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, refs, and hook verified. Nice article.4meter4 (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Ratcliff Site, Wendat (Huron) Ancestral Village
- ... that a human skull was found from the Ratcliff Site "perforated with seven holes, and had evidently been held as a trophy, the holes being the score of enemies slaughtered in battle by the wearer"?
Created by Neufast (talk). Nominated by MC10 (talk) at 19:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Excellent hook and good article. Ready. Dincher (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
All Saints Church, Leicester
- ... that in 1418 Margery Kempe was tried for Lollardy in All Saints Church, Leicester?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:22, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- The hook is very interesting, but I don't see the in-line ref for the hook in the article. Am I missing it? Dincher (talk) 01:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry I missed it; it's there now. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- ready to go. Nice work. Dincher (talk) 13:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Dolores Wilson
- ... that soprano Dolores Wilson lamented that "the Italian I'd learned by studying operas enabled me to talk intelligently only about poisons and suicide and tragic love affairs"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Nice article Alansohn! Date, length, refs, and hook verified. I also added a picture, reference, and a little bit more content to the article.4meter4 (talk) 22:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Molve gas project
- ... that the output of the Molve gas project accounts for 70 percent of the total natural gas production of Croatia?
Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Article is only 1,186 characters long, but the DYK minimum is 1,500 characters. Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I thought it was long enough but I didn't check the character count before submitting. I'll try to expand the article in the next couple of days so please put the nomination on hold until then. Timbouctou 21:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Phil Moore (jazz musician)
- ... that jazz musician Phil Moore arranged and worked on the scores of over 30 films?
Created by NoahVail (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 02:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Alan Pastrana
- ... that Alan Pastrana (pictured) played as a linebacker in his first season at Maryland, but was switched to quarterback and set the Atlantic Coast Conference record for passing touchdowns in 1966?
Created/expanded by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates and lengths both good. Online sources confirm record portion of hook. AGF of remaining offline sourcing. --Allen3 talk 21:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 4
Charles Joseph Faulkner, Peter Paul Marshall
- ... that Charles Joseph Faulkner and Peter Paul Marshall were founder-shareholders in the decorative arts firm Morris, Marshall, Faulkner & Co. along with Pre-Raphaelite artist William Morris?
Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 17:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates, lengths, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 talk 18:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Action of 13 June 1898
- ... that the Action of 13 June 1898 was the last naval engagement fought near Cienfuegos in the Spanish-American War?
- ALT1:... that the Spanish warship that fought in the Action of 13 June 1898 would later serve in the Venezuelan Navy?
Created by ElBufon (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:41, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Sourcing issues. Second hook is sourced into an article to "Rodríguez Fernández, p. 246" yet in the article's list of references this author does not appear. Could this instead be a reference to the book by Agustín Ramón Rodríguez González? Everything else looks good. --Allen3 talk 18:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes it is, and I just fixed it. Cheers. Secret Saturdays (talk to me)what's new? 21:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, I changed the wrong part. I have since fixed it. Secret Saturdays (talk to me)what's new? 23:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Never-Ending Language Learning
- ... that despite its general accuracy, Carnegie Mellon's Never-Ending Language Learning semantic learning tool came to the conclusion that Internet cookies were a kind of baked good?
Created by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates, length, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 talk 18:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
I question whether this article meets WP:GNG. All the sources are from October 5. Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Take it to WP:AFD if you wish, but with existing citations to articles from the New York Times and trade publications it is highly unlikely that a delete result will occur. --Allen3 talk 19:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Keeney House
- ... that Bryant Fleming's 1927 renovations to the Keeney House (pictured) in Le Roy, New York, made it a more purely Federal style building?
- Comment: Fivefold text expansion
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
5x expansion verified. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
John Hyde Harris
- ... that the Superintendent of the Otago Province, John Hyde Harris (pictured), would have played an even more important role in New Zealand politics but for his difficult financial situation?
- Comment: Article started on 4 October.
Created by Topbanana (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates, lengths, and sourcing all look good. --Allen3 talk 19:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Stephen Lachs
- ... that with his appointment to the Los Angeles Superior Court in 1979, Stephen Lachs was the first openly gay judge appointed in the United States?
Created by Billyboy01 (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Dates and lengths both good. AGF of offline sourcing. --Allen3 talk 19:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Lombardy Apartment Building
- ... that the Lombardy Apartment Building has been named one of the Cincinnati region's best examples of late 19th century urban Victorian architecture?
7x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, expansion verified, AGF on offline hook source. January (Cassandra 73) talk 19:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
2000–01 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 2001–02 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that John Thompson III led the Princeton Tigers men's basketball team to postseason tournaments in his first two seasons as head coach in 2000–01 and 2001–02?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length of both articles verified; hook ref verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
1998–99 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1999–2000 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that by taking the 1998–99 and 1999–2000 Princeton Tigers basketball teams to the National Invitational Tournament, coach Bill Carmody achieved the Ivy League record for career winning percentage?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length of both articles OK; hook ref AGF. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
All Saints Church, Kedleston
- ... that in All Saints Church, Kedleston, Derbyshire, (pictured) are 35 monuments to the Curzon family of Kedleston Hall?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Length, date and hook verified. January (Cassandra 73) talk 19:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
1979–80 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that the 1979–80 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team of the Ivy League played seven games against participants in the 1980 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament although they did not play in the tournament themselves?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 16:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Article length and history verified. The hook is too long at 230 characters. Also, the article says Duke, St. John's, Villanova, and Louisville, which all participated in the NCAA tournament, but I only count those four games. The article mentions Michigan State and Seton Hall in the same sentence, but those did not play in the NCAAT... I may be mistaken, but it appears that the number in the hook (seven) is wrong. If it is indeed supposed to be four instead of seven, then the below alternate appears to address the issues: Strikehold (talk) 03:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt: ... that the 1979–80 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team played seven games against 1980 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament participants, but did not play in the tournament themselves? Strikehold (talk) 04:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- They also played Penn three times who went to the tournament by beating Princeton for the Ivy League's invitation.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see now. The alternate hook is all set. Strikehold (talk) 06:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Minds and Machines
- ... that Minds and Machines is a peer-reviewed academic journal covering artificial intelligence, philosophy, and cognitive science?
Created by Crusio (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
As of the moment, the article has only 1,000 characters of prose, short of the required minimum of 1,500. If there is additional material about the journal it should be added to the article. Leave notification here when the article has been updated to meet DYK standards. While there is one reference from other than the website of the journal itself, this article would also benefit from increased material from reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn (talk) 17:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article has been expanded and now has 1863 characters of prose. Two additional independent references have been added. --Crusio (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Now meets length requirements, facts in hook confirmed, extra references noted and appreciated, good to go. EdChem (talk) 18:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company
- ... that the Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company (offices pictured) was once the largest dry goods company in the Cincinnati, Ohio region?
12x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article was expanded from 155 characters to 1,862. Nyttend (talk) 15:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Everything checks out, except for a minor question. The article says they "had built a reputation as the region's leading dry goods firm", which doesn't necessarily mean they were the largest (especially the part about building a reputation). The source for this is offline. What do you think about the following, which replaces "largest" with "leading" and also removes a little redundancy?
- ALT1: ... that Alms and Doepke (offices pictured) was once the leading dry goods company in the Cincinnati, Ohio region?
- MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds better, and reflects the print source better; thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT1 verified, with AGF on the offline source. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Sounds better, and reflects the print source better; thanks! Nyttend (talk) 03:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1904 Summer Olympics
- ... that the first ever golf course west of the Mississippi River was one of the venues used for the 1904 Summer Olympics?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 14:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
As of the moment, the article has only 1,341 characters of prose, short of the required minimum of 1,500. If there is additional material it should be added to the article. Alansohn (talk) 19:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- More prose added per request. Chris (talk) 20:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Still too short at 1,451 characters now. Alansohn (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ornament at the main stadium added. Long enough to meet minimum 1500 DYK requirement. Chris (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified to the source provided, though the article length scrapes past the 1,500 mark. Hook was tweaked to refer to the river, not the state. I did some research and found this source from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch which states that "The subdivision probably would have developed differently without the 138-acre country club which was organized in 1895 and opened six years later. It is the oldest golf club in continuous operation at the same location west of the Mississippi River" (bold italics mine), which would appear to require a qualification in the hook, at a minimum. This source from Kansas City infoZine states that "The 167-acre country club holds the oldest professional 18-hole golf course west of the Mississippi River, established in 1901.", which would support the hook, though I'm not sure of the reliability of the source, and this also makes a qualification as "oldest professional 18-hole golf course". This source also states that "In 1904, when St. Louis hosted the Olympic Summer Games, golf was played as an Olympic sport for the first and only time, and the course at Glen Echo was the site of the tournament.", though this is contradicted by Golf at the Summer Olympics which lists play in both 1900 and 1904, only raising further issues regarding reliability. This is an article that would greatly benefit from a few more eyes (and some expansion). Any other thoughts on this article? Alansohn (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT ... that one of the venues took place at Forest Park, the site of the Louisiana Purchase Exposition? Chris (talk) 20:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Kurobe Dam
- ... that the Kurobe Dam (pictured) is the tallest dam in Japan and its construction claimed the lives of 171 people?
5x/self-nom by--NortyNort (Holla) 10:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Trefasser
- ... that the hamlet of Trefasser, Pembrokeshire, is said to be named either after Asser, a friend and biographer of Alfred the Great, or Asser's nephew, Asser Meneventsis, a Benedictine monk?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 09:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook ref all verified. Added links and tweaked hook. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Girl Scout National Center West
... that most of Girl Scout National Center West in Ten Sleep, Wyoming became The Nature Conservancy's Tensleep Preserve?
Created by Kintetsubuffalo (talk). Nominated by Rlevse (talk) at 02:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Which "nation", please? --64.231.53.243 (talk) 03:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Added city and state. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
This page seems to be a compilation of data from Girl Scouts, tourism and real estate information pages. It needs secondary sources to satisfy general notability guidelines. Yoninah (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Except for GS, those are secondary sources. This is the GSUSA equivalent of Philmont Scout Ranch. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- OK, but don't you want to cite something more exciting?
- ALT1: ... that the Girl Scout National Center West outside Ten Sleep, Wyoming was one of the largest encampments in the world, covering 14,600-15,400 acres of rugged wilderness? Yoninah (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Agree that's better. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook ref verified. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Russian Orthodox Church in Canada
- ... that the first Orthdox Christian service ever held in Canada was conducted by the Russian Church and took place in 1897 in the tiny hamlet of Wostok, Alberta?
5x expanded by Kevlar67 (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Bold'd nominated article.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:53, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Russian Orthodox priests had to travel overland from San Franciscoto Wostok in 1897 to conduct the first Orthodox Christian service in the history of Canada? --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 03:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Second paragraph of "History" section has no inline citation and is not referenced.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 3
Halvdan Koht
- ... that Halvdan Koht was a member of the Norwegian Nobel Committee for eighteen years, from 1918 to 1936?
5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 22:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
Size and date of expansion are fine. But there seems to be a problem with the hook fact. The navigation template at the bottom of the article is in agreement with the hook, listing the years as "1919–44". But the article text says that he "served on the Norwegian Nobel Committee from 1918 to 1936". The source referenced immediately after this is in Norwegian, but appears to this non-Norwegian speaker to give the dates as "1919-1942". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the vetting, and sorry for the confusion. I have changed the hook in accordance with the article text, and replaced the citation in the article, to cite directly from the official cite of the Nobel Committee (their bio on Koht, and the list of committee members for each year). I originally took the period (1919-1944) from the navigation template, and thus the FL article List of members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee. Koht is actually listed as a passive member of the committee until 1944. But due to various reasons he was not an active member after 1936 (member of the Government, and in exile during World War II). He also started serving for the committee from 1918, replacing deceased member Carl Berner. Oceanh (talk) 13:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think his status after 1940 is too ambiguous to say that he quit in 1936. According to my notes from reading Aarsberetninger, he was a full member after quitting as Minister - but was abroad. It's probably correct that he entered in 1918 - depends whether they actually had a meeting after Berner died. I'd rather find something more about him going into hiatus because of Ossietzky. Geschichte (talk) 15:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Venkatnarayana Road Sri Balaji Temple
- ... that a famous Hindu temple is located inside Venkatnarayana Road Sri Balaji Temple?
- Comment: Please save this nomination for a couple days as it is already late for nomination.
Created by Dviswa29 (talk). Self nom at 14:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Timing is good but the article lacks inline ciations and there is no reference section, although I assume the External links section is where you put them. The article is an orphan and tagged as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Sava River Bridge (A3)
- ... that Sava River Bridge carrying A3 motorway was the largest prefabricated girder bridge, in terms of plan area, in Croatia when completed in 1981?
- Comment: hook referenced in ref#1, p.2: "To je najveći most (po tlocrtnoj ploštini) od predgotovljenih nosača u Hrvatskoj." [That is the largest bridge (in terms of plan area) executed in prefabricated girders in Croatia.]
Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 10:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
1995–96 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1996–97 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1997–98 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that coach Pete Carril led the 1995–96 Princeton Tigers to an upset in the 1996 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, and successor Bill Carmody led the 1996–97 and 1997–98 teams back to the Tournament?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
- Last one is 1478 characters. Buggie111 (talk) 02:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- I made a slight expansion that should be sufficient.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:41, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, length of first 2 pages OK. 5x expansion verified on 1997-98 article. Hook ref verified. Tweaked hook and it's good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Mashrou' Leila
- ... that the controversial Lebanese rock band Mashrou' Leila started out as a music workshop at a local university?
Created by Eli+. Self nom at 18:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that the Lebanese rock band Mashrou' Leila's songs caused controversy due to their satirical unabashed lyrics and liberal use of swear words? --Eli+ 21:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
In "themes and styles"; the second part of the first sentence and most of the last sentence was copied and pasted from their respective NowLebanon references which is a copyright violation. I haven't checked the rest of the article. This needs to be fixed before the nomination can be approved. Also, I cannot access reference #2.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- fixed, thank you for bringing this to my attention Eli+ 15:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
hook is not referenced in the article. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:18, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- I believe it is referenced, i moved the reference to the end of the sentence. Eli+ 17:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
ref has to be right after the hook. — Rlevse • Talk • 19:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Russian battleship Knyaz Suvorov
- ... that the Russian battleship Knyaz Suvorov was the flagship of Admiral Rozhestvensky at the Battle of Tsushima?
5x expanded by Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
Messner Mountain Museum
- ... that the centrepiece of the Messner Mountain Museum, established by Italian mountaineer, Reinhold Messner, is at Sigmundskron Castle (pictured) near Bolzano, and focuses on man's encounter with the mountains?
Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
In the article Messner is called an Austrian. Ericoides 11:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: In the article Messner himself is not stated to be Austrian it is the Museum that is stated to be in Austria. Perhaps that sentence could be rephrased so you don't infer an inaccurate nationality. ww2censor (talk) 15:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Er, yes he is ... the first sentence says, "... a museum project by Austrian mountaineer and extreme climber, Reinhold Messner". Ericoides 15:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oops (working too fast), you are correct, so I have edited the article to Messner's correct nationality. ww2censor (talk) 15:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- article says it's in Austria but the article on the museum says it's in Bolanzo, which is in Italy. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. Nowhere is the word "Austria" or "Austrian" mentioned in the article now. I think a delete is a bit harsh BTW; it's ready to go. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 2
Snow World
- ... that Hyderabad-based Snow World was India's first and world's biggest snow themed park at the time of its opening in 2004?
Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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I don't see where it was India's first snow park in the article, just in the reference. Also, the nitrogen inhalation would be a great hook. This one is interesting with being the first in India and biggest in the world. What do you think?--NortyNort (Holla) 09:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I made an ALT. I also put "dizzy" instead of giddy per the source.--NortyNort (Holla) 09:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ...
that some early visitors to the world's largest and India's first snow themed park, Snow World, became dizzy after accidentally breathing residual nitrogen?
- ALT1 ...
- Inline citation has been added now. Also, I like your ALT suggestion. Cheers, Mspraveen (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Both hooks are verified. I like ALT1 as well and support its promotion.--NortyNort (Holla) 00:39, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Returned from queue per Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Final_hook_in_Queue_5 — Rlevse • Talk • 21:39, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest using main hook this time. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
1987–88 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that the 1987–88 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team holds the national record for single-season three point field goal percentage and individuals on that team hold the career and single-season Ivy League records?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- A 216-character hook? Too long. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 07:55, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- (alt)... that the 1987–88 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team holds the national single-season three point field goal percentage record and its players hold the career and single-season Ivy League records?
Article entirely lacks independent secondary sources. cmadler (talk) 12:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note the recent edit with the summary "rm {{Primary sources}}. see WP:SELFPUB (N.B. item 4) All princeton sources are for objective facts about statistics which are not reasonably challenged. League & NCAA sources are not WP:SPSs" All items referenced to Princeton University are very objective statistical facts or facts not reasonbly challenged. E.G. The first Citation regarding Princeton as a source says "The head coach was Pete Carril and the team captain was John Thompson III". Facts like these are adequately sourced by Princeton itself. Many facts are by the Ivy League itself, which does not count as a WP:SPS. The hook is actually largely sourced to the National Collegiate Athletic Association, which is again not an WP:SPS. These are the same types of sources used and accepted on the vast majority of the nearly 4 dozen similar DYKs I have had in the last month.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:42, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
For a date yet to be determined, possibly around 14 October
Manchester Courts
- ... that demolition of Manchester Courts (pictured), a Category I heritage building damaged in the 2010 Canterbury earthquake, starts today?
- Comment: This building is one of the striking architectural gems of Christchurch Central City. It's the one building that has received the most media coverage in New Zealand following the 4 September earthquake. Christchurch City Council decided yesterday that it is to be demolished. I propose that it be put on the front page the day demolition starts and have worded the hook accordingly. As yet, a date hasn't been set. At a guess, demolition might start within a week, i.e. 14 October 2010. If this proposal is acceptable, I'll attach the date to this item once it's known. As yet, I haven't got a current photo of the building, but it is quite striking and would certainly lend itself for the hook with the picture. Follow this link to have a look at some current photos. Please note that obviously, the hook is as yet not cited, as the start date for the demolition hasn't been set yet. So please review the remaining DYK requirements first.
Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 07:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
For 17 October, 20th Sunday after Trinity
Ach! ich sehe, itzt, da ich zur Hochzeit gehe, BWV 162
- ... that Robert Levin reconstructed for the Bach Cantata Pilgrimage missing parts of Ach! ich sehe, itzt, da ich zur Hochzeit gehe, BWV 162?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
Date, hook, and length verified. Additional offline refs accepted in good faith.4meter4 (talk) 11:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
For October 29, 1AM London time
Dragan Tesanovic
- ... that the undefeated Dragan Tesanovic makes his North American debut tonight in the Bellator promotion?
Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
For 31 October, Hallowe'en
The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. My interpretation of whats happening is ... 1. Move your hook to the bottom of the page (ie here) 2. You may get some more macabre, funny etc suggestions for a hook and it should get DYKtick'ed. 3. Then after its been there about 24 hours or so it gets moved off to the dedicated page. 4. Then about three or four days before Oct 31 we sort out the 40 or so hooks into "8"s (so they are ready to load on the 36 hours or so that is Halloween internationally). 5. We do the awards and 6 .... and please help with all of this. It only works if we all do a bit Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Ben Cooper, Inc.
- ...
that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in 1990?
- Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in the United States in 1990?
- Hook corrected to show where costumes were sold. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- "Halston" means nothing here ... you also have "High Priest of Halloween" ... I'd tic that? oops OK! Victuallers (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- Halston means a lot in the fashion world. I've wikilinked it. (Don't forget to sign your post!) - Tim1965 (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- Only in places where there's a JC Penney. Trust me, that subclause just doesn't work outside the US, and to be honest it's redundant, it could just be struck out entirely. Or as Victuallers says, the "high priest" version is a ready-made alternative that needs no knowledge of US culture, and thus is a better hook. WTGR Tim, you really need to think a bit more globally - 50% of en.wiki users are outside the US, and that proportion is growing. Le Deluge (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- It doesn't appear, Le Deluge, that you know who Halston was. He was internationally famous (he designed Jacqueline Kennedy's iconic pillbox hat outfit, which had worldwide recognition), and was well-known throughout Europe and portions of Asia. His recognizability is perhaps more time-bound (who knows who he is today?), but the quote was from 1979 (when he was still a worldwide icon of high couture and not a budget-conscious caricature as he was at the end). Accusing someone of ethnocentrism is, I don't think, an appropriate response to the proposed hook (especially if you don't know that person, or their contributions). If you are concerned that hooks are not worldwide in nature, I can only respond that 1) That is not a DYK criteria and 2) 17 of the accepted 22 hooks for this year do not involve worldwide topics. A far more appropriate criticism of the hook would be that it does not say where Ben Cooper, Inc. sold 4 million costumes (a very legitimate issue which I will correct). - Tim1965 (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- I added an image here. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to scale down as well as I'd like. There are other images from this company on WikiCommons, if anyone wants to take a look. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
For November 1, All Saint's Day
- This is a holder for new or expanded articles for November 1, which is All Saint's Day.
For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
- ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?
- ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?
Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
--K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
- Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. SilverserenC 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? SilverserenC 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Arsenikk. The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
See also
- User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).