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:I've pulled this one out of the queue because the hook doesn't feel right. From my reading of the article, he ''did'' accept his first selection, but it had to be approved "bicamerally" (clergy and laity both), and the laity didn't approve, and therefore he agreed to withdraw so as to not cause trouble. That's not the same as "not accepting". [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 13:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
:I've pulled this one out of the queue because the hook doesn't feel right. From my reading of the article, he ''did'' accept his first selection, but it had to be approved "bicamerally" (clergy and laity both), and the laity didn't approve, and therefore he agreed to withdraw so as to not cause trouble. That's not the same as "not accepting". [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 13:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

:: That's just semantics. Whether he ''initially'' accepted or not, and it's not at all clear from the text, he ''eventually'' declined the position because the laity objected. This removal just underlines the problems with your queue removals, which I now must agree are becoming disruptive. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 15:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on October 4

Gerald S. Lesser

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

L. V. Prasad Eye Institute

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 1904 Summer Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 14:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kurobe Dam

A concrete structure blocking a river discharges water
  • ... that the Kurobe Dam (pictured) is the tallest dam in Japan and its construction claimed the lives of 171 people?

5x/self-nom by--NortyNort (Holla) 10:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trefasser

  • ... that the hamlet of Trefasser in Pembrokeshire is said to be either named after Asser, a friend and biographer of King Alfred in the 9th century or Asser's nephew, Asser Meneventsis, a Benedictine monk?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 09:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Girl Scout National Center West

Created by Kintetsubuffalo (talk). Nominated by Rlevse (talk) at 02:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added city and state. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Rock

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 01:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: *... that after playing basketball for the Chicago Stags, Gene Rock joined the Los Angeles Police Department and was eventually promoted to captain? DS (talk) 01:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Janmabhoomi Nyas

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 3

1986–87 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1995–96 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1996–97 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1997–98 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capital Bikeshare

Typical Capital Bikeshare rental station

Created by Mariordo (talk). Self nom at 22:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old Jock

  • ... that the dog Old Jock, born 1859, is considered to be one of the founding sires of the modern Fox Terrier?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1859 is mentioned in the lede, but not the body, and I see no specific reference.  Chzz  ►  03:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, managed to miss out the year of birth in the first line of the Early life section. Have now added (it was covered by reference number 2). Miyagawa (talk) 10:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 1896 Summer Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mashrou' Leila

  • ... that the controversial Lebanese rock band Mashrou' Leila started out as a music workshop at a local university?

Created by Eli+. Self nom at 18:18, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that the Lebanese band Mashrou' Leila's songs caused controversy due to their satirical unabashed lyrics and liberal use of swear words? --Eli+ 21:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blackfriars, Bristol

  • ... that the surviving buildings of the medieval Blackfriars, Bristol have housed a register office, a theatre company and a restaurant in recent years?

5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Russian battleship Knyaz Suvorov

5x expanded by Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Mothers

Two Desert Mothers with Saint Jerome

Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Carrier Strike Group Two

5x expanded by Marcd30319 (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Bartholomew's Church, Furtho

  • ... that while St Bartholomew's Church, Furtho was being used for storage of the archives of the Northampton Record Society during the Second World War, all its windows were destroyed by a bomb?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leningrad–Novgorod Offensive

5x expanded by Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Messner Mountain Museum

Sigmundskron Castle
Sigmundskron Castle

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


St Gregory's Church, Fledborough

A stone church seen from the southwest, in the foreground a large, squat tower with a pyramidal roof, and the body of the church extending behind it

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And Fledborough needs its own article. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Durgam Cheruvu

A view of the lake with all its greenery and a park bench

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Benson raft

Benson raft

  • ... that the Benson raft (pictured) was a huge sea-going log raft designed to transport millions of board-feet of timber at a time through the open ocean?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 13:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Élie Barnavi

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New (though less exciting) hook. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tokuyama Dam

5x expanded/self-nom by --NortyNort (Holla) 12:39, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Preng Jakova

5x expanded by Sulmues (talk). Self nom at 03:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taft Homes

Created by Marcusmax (talk). Self nom at 02:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 2

Jean-Marc Boivin

The biggest hill

Created by Ericoides (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


John Albert Taylor

5x expanded by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • All executions in Utah meet that definition. Better:
ALT1: ... that John Albert Taylor chose to be executed by firing squad specifically to inconvenience the state of Utah? DS (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Logical point, though it is interesting that homicide would be recorded on the death certificate. Here is another alternative:
ALT2: ... that legislation to eliminate the firing squad in Utah was introduced on the day that John Albert Taylor was executed in that manner? KimChee (talk) 01:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Audacious (1869)

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 17:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Black dogfish

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NoteUtopia

  • ... that NoteUtopia is a website that allows students to purchase or sell class notes online?

Created by Chrishomingtang (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This feels like spam? I disagree as this is not promotional at all and everything is sourced. Anyway, if you think this shouldn't be featured at DYK, please at least provide some advices on how to improve this.—Chris!c/t 04:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Icelandic Air Policing

Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 00:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1988–89, 1989–90, 1990–91 & 1991–92 Princeton Tigers men's basketball teams

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Summer truffle

Summer truffle (Tuber aestivum)

  • ... that the summer truffle (pictured) and the burgundy truffle are varieties of one species of truffle, Tuber aestivum, which is found across Europe?

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


1975 Lice earthquake

  • ... that the town of Lice was rebuilt 2 km (1.2 mi) south of its original location after the earthquake in 1975, with houses, shops, a school, a bakery and a mosque completed only 54 days later?

5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 22:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Katrin Zytomierska

Created by Theleftorium (talk). Self nom at 21:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Protosialis casca

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lucius Day Copeland

Lucius Copeland 1894 with the "Star"

  • ... that Lucius Copeland (pictured) invented one of the first motorcycles, the steam-powered "Star", and also the first successfully mass-produced three-wheeled car, the "Phaeton steamer"?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Royal Stoa (Jerusalem)

reconstruction of Royal Stoa in Jerusalem

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Akhil Bharatiya Akhara Parishad

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Friedman (FPSI)

  • ... that Mark Friedman, founder of the Fiscal Policy Studies Institute, described his year as a high school mathematics teacher in Warminster, Pennsylvania as the hardest job he ever did?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 14:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shigatse Dzong

Shigatse Dzong when built in the 17th century

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), John Hill (talk). Self nom at 14:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]



2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony

5x expanded by AngChenrui (talk). Self nom at 13:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have my reservations about that. I've been involved in ITN over the past few days, particularly on the 2010 Commonwealth Games nomination. That specific ITN should be out tomorrow since the event opens tomorrow; we'll see in a day's time! The hooks that are currently proposed for the ITN does not link to the opening ceremony article, but we don't know now. If it does come out, I'll be more than willing to cancel this nomination. Best, ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 15:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Minor correction: Plural of "head of state" is "heads of state". — Dale Arnett (talk) 16:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two issues - (1) This text in the second para - Sir Anand Satyanand, Governor General of New Zealand and multiple Commonwealth gold medallist (who is also of Indian descent) - (a) does not explicitly state that he is the "first person of Indian descent", and (b) confuses Sir Satyanand with Marcus Stephen, the President of Nauru, who is the one who has won several Commonwealth medals. Stephen was named just before Satyanand in the sentence.
With regards to (a), the reference can be found in the Sir Anand Satyanand article; I didn't put it in the opening ceremony article since it is not relevant there. (b) Oh dear, I got that one confused. Corrected it. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 16:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Any claim made in a DYK hook must be mentioned, and cited, in the nominated article. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Corrected. Done. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 16:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(2) The fact of interest is actually rooted in an article unassociated with the 2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony. Satyanand is not actually officiating or doing anything aside from being a visiting head of state - the current nom does not tell me anything interesting about the subject of the hook article. It notes the history of the Governor General of New Zealand, not the Commonwealth Games. It will guide me to Sir Anand Satyanand, not to 2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony. Not a gaping problem, but I think that the DYK nom should be rooted from the hook article. Shiva (Visnu) 16:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I recall past DYKs whose hooks are 'off-topic' in the way you mention, but they went on the Main Page nevertheless. The criteria does not forbid such hooks, and the one proposed right now should be fine. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 16:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, this isn't a major issue. As long as it's mentioned and cited, it's fine. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And to be pedantic, the head of state of New Zealand is Elizabeth II, not Sir Anand. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Governor-General of New Zealand article: " The Governor-General... is often viewed as the de facto head of state." Anyway, I got that piece of info from the news source cited. To be precise, people will agree that the head of state of New Zealand does not refer directly at the Queen, but can refer to either the Governor-General or the Queen. There won't be any confusion or misinterpretation. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 16:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is currently 226 characters long, above the limit. A 191-character ALT 1: ... that Sir Anand Satyanand, the first Governor-General of New Zealand of Indian descent, was one of the heads of state who attended the 2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony in Delhi, India? Or much shorter 157-character ALT2: ... that Sir Anand Satyanand, the first Governor-General of New Zealand of Indian descent, attended the 2010 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony in Delhi, India? Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 17:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 looks great. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 01:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Copyedited ALT hooks. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 13:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There were some changes made to the article, but the hook's claim is still referenced in the article. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 13:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary's Church, Wilton

Ruined stone arches

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 13:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Snow World

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Word lists by frequency

Created by User:Yug (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are some issues with the article in terms of sourcing format (see WP:CITE) and it needs a copyedit. There are several instances of awkward phrases and formatting. Quadzilla99 (talk) 00:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sourcing format: can you be more precise.
Copyedit: as I said, help is welcome - and easily doable by a native speaker
Yug (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:CITE, specifically the part about inline citations, or look at an article like Tourette Syndrome which was edited by and worked on by SandyGeorgia one of the featured article staff. I'll see if I can help you with the copy-editing later, if no one else can. Quadzilla99 (talk) 09:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Citation: I took example on Taiwanese_aborigines, also a featured article. But adding <ref></ref> is easily doable.
Thanks for your advices. Yug (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Citation: clean up done. Can someone help to fix my English. Should be quite easy for a native speaker. Yug (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Oldham

ALT 1: ... that Sam Oldham completed his floor routine one-handed to lead Great Britain to junior team gold at the 2008 European Championships?

Created by Strange Passerby (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

James St. Clair Morton

Created by LewisArmistead46 (talk). Self nom at 09:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf Katz

5x expanded by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 08:18, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indira Park

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 08:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't entirely agree, especially as it was 2001-2. Shouldn't some of his title be in caps? I'm not sure all the links are needed & Indian Revenue Service would be better.

1987–88 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2004 European Open

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 06:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spartan-V

  • ... that the Spartan-V sports car has no headlights, indicators or other features required by law in most countries so can not be used on public roads?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 06:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wheatland (James Buchanan House)

A three-story brick house.

5x expanded by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really like this hook. How about?
... that James Buchanan, the 15th president of the United States, so loved his Pennsylvannia home named Wheatland that upon leaving office he said "If my successor should be as happy in entering the White House as I shall feel on returning to Wheatland he will indeed be a happy man."
or:
... that Wheatland, the former home of the 15th President of the United States, James Buchanan, was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1961 and was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1966?
Those might be too long, other interesting notes from the article someone might use in writing a hook; the builder/architect has remained anonymous, the house "has never been significantly altered or remodeled, other than the installation of modern lighting and heating, it provides an accurate view of the lifestyle in the Victorian era", and that "Buchanan died in a room on the second floor in Wheatland on June 1, 1868. Thousands of people attended Buchanan's funeral and the procession from Wheatland to the Woodward Hill Cemetery on June 4." Quadzilla99 (talk) 01:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vredefort crater

5x expanded by Androstachys (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 1

Maisland

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sic

  • Comment: The article was flagged by a bot on September 29 as being a duplicate of a Wiktionary entry, which it was. As a result, I pretty much wrote the whole article. With the exception of the long quotes (which don't count towards DYK anyhow) the only lines that weren't rewritten are in the section Improper abbreviation. Because I will not be able to access Wikipedia for any significant amount of time over the next two weeks to expand further expand the article, I'm hoping that the deleted parts of the article from before the expansion won't count towards its original length in case it's cutitng it close.

5x expanded by Codehydro (talk). Self nom at 07:13, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is the second to last edit I can make on Wikipedia for the next several weeks (my last will be a wikibreak note on my talk), so I won't be able to respond to any messages you post here. While I tried my best to wrap this up, if there end up being any minor issues with this DYK nom such as small issues with the wording of the hook, please help adjust it for me. I would very much appreciate it. Cheers, my wikicomrades —CodeHydro 08:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Togo Murano

Created by Kenchikuben (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gibeon, Namibia

  • ... that despite receiving a budget allocation in 2003, the public sports stadium in Gibeon, Namibia hadn't been repaired as of December 2007?

5x expanded by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 07:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1980–81 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1982–83 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team and 1983–84 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1975–76 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team and 1976–77 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fulham Davies

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When it Rains, it Pours (30 Rock)

Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly object; fictional event with no real-world content. It's made up, it's imaginary, it's a lie. It's not a fact. Come up with something better. DS (talk) 01:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, DS, it's a fact about a show's plot, and your interpretation of the fiction guideline is under debate at this very moment so you are not an interpretation to be pushing it around on noms.
That being said, ThinkBlue, the hook is rather boring I think. Maybe it's interesting for someone who is a big fan of Cash Cab, but otherwise it's just a bland statement about what seems to be a relatively unremarkable event in the plot of a show. Is there anything more interesting to say about this one? rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Green (basketball)

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Drowzee

  • ... that the Pokémon Drowzee is based on the mythological creature baku, who is similar both in its resemblance to a tapir and in its ability to eat dreams and nightmares?

Created by New Age Retro Hippie (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plus it's fictional with no real-world content. This is not a fact, it's a fiction. DS (talk) 01:42, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

766th Independent Infantry Regiment (North Korea)

5x expanded by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 19:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Parasexuality

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With a suggestive term like parasexuality, I wonder if we couldn't find a hookier hook. How about
I just feel that a hook which defines the term "parasexuality" will decrease the chance that a reader will click on the article. Not sure if the article presently supports either of these, but it easily could. EdChem (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea. I added a citation for P. roqueforti making blue cheese. I like the wording of the second alt. Sasata (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I like Alt2. - Richard Cavell (talk) 09:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Cross Church, Burley

The east end of a stone church seen through a graveyard from the north. On the right is a battlemented tower and the nave extends to the left

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


HMS Avenger (D14)

Self nom and x5 expansion by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC) [reply]

--Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old St Bartholomew's Church, Lower Sapey

Part of the south face of a small stone church, seen from an angle, with tiled roofs and a gabled, wooden porch

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Waterside Press

  • ... that Waterside Press is a "niche publisher [who] specialise in legal topics"?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spring Canyon, Utah

Created by The Utahraptor (talk). Self nom at 01:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 30

Darell Hammond

Portrait of Darell Hammond

Created by Moonriddengirl (talk). Self nom at 12:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


There may be a better hook in this article than I can come up with. :/ I suspect it would help if KaBOOM!'s name made obvious who they are, but, alas, I can't change their name. Note that this is a new article, but that there was formerly an article here until it was G5ed a few weeks ago. That article was in no way used as the basis of this one, but I don't know if that would exclude it technically from consideration, so I bring it up. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Codiponte

Created by Moondyne (talk). Self nom at 10:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Celdran

A head shot of Carlos Celdran wearing a top hat, headset microphone, and blue barong tagalog, looking skywards as he speaks.

  • ... that tour guide/social activist Carlos Celdran was arrested for protesting Catholic Church interference in Philippine politics after he held a protest action that disrupted a mass in Manila Cathedral?

Created/expanded by Noraft (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Martin (defensive lineman)

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hiesville

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Patsw (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pthirus gorillae

A magnified image of Pthirus gorillae, a short and broad six-legged louse.

Created/expanded by Forty two (talk). Self nom at 03:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween ??? Victuallers (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Halloween is okay.--  Forty two  20:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that the 'humans' link is great; I'd prefer early humans.  Chzz  ►  03:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Human is about Homo sapiens, which certainly did not exist 3.3 million years ago. Furthermore, the original source for this fact, doi:10.1186/1741-7007-5-7, does not say that this specific species jumped over to humans; rather, the common ancestor of the pubic louse and P. gorillae did. It also is not as overly precise as this hook, and instead says "3–4 million years ago". Ucucha 03:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed the early humans link. doi:10.1186/1741-7007-5-7 in fact does say "The divergence date... averaged 3.32 MYA..." I have added this as a ref.--  Forty two  04:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But its abstract says 3–4 million years ago. Note the "averaged"; molecular clock studies are not so precise that they can give divergence dates within hundred thousands of years with full confidence. Ucucha 11:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1971–72 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1974–75 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of players banned or suspended by the NBA

Created by Chrishomingtang (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should say "some players". Quadzilla99 (talk) 00:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done.—Chris!c/t 20:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Henry (basketball)

  • ... that Bill Henry was listed as Rice University's all-time greatest men's basketball player in the 2009 book ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia: The Complete History of the Men's Game?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geneva State Forest

Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 23:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kataragama temple

Interior of the Kataragama temple’s main shrine, a curtain with the image of Murukan covers the Yantra.

Created by Kanatonian (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Kanatonian (talk) 12:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note:After I created it, the file history of Kataragama was merged into it hence makes the article seems to have a longer history than it really has. Also some one recreated the Kataragama article from the restored file history of Kataragama temple. It is confusing, but the bottom line is I created a brand new article on Sep 30. Kanatonian (talk) 14:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian pipe mine

  • ... that the explosive charge in some Canadian pipe mines soon deteriorated into a porridge-like mush?
  • Comment: Moved from user space to main space today

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 21:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inkayacu

  • ... that the recently described extinct penguin Inkayacu from the Eocene of Peru probably had gray and reddish brown feathers, unlike the black and white feathers of living penguins?

Created by Smokeybjb (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St Nicholas, Sapareva Banya

Side view of a small Byzantine-style medieval church constructed out of bricks and mortar. The church's entrance is visible. A street lamp and greenery in the surrounding area.

Created/expanded by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


St Nicholas' Church, Gloucester

A stone church in a town seen from the southeast. St the far end is a large tower surmounted by a truncated spire with pinnacles and, at the top, a ball finial

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sir Ronald Ross Institute Of Parasitology

A portrait picture of Sir Ronald Ross

ALT 1 ... that Sir Ronald Ross (pictured) won the Nobel Prize mainly due to his experiments on malaria at the then Begumpet military hospital in Hyderabad?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Myriostoma

Two star-shaped fungi on the ground, both with numerous perforations in their spherical spore sacs.

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Michael's Church, Michaelchurch

A small, simple, stone church with a stone slate roof, a bellcote with a pyramidal roof, a porch and small windows, seen from the southwest

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Angel Island (novel)

Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 13:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, this sort of thing is what I mean by 'real-world content'. It's not THAT difficult to do. DS (talk) 01:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dreaming of You (album)

5x expanded by AJona1992 (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC) . Self nom at 9:23, 30 September 2010 (EST)[reply]

Well I had to remove some stuff so the article can be a FA but I can restore it back to when it was 68,000 bytes. Is that 5x? AJona1992 (talk) 14:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, that would still be short. If you're aiming for an FA, I'd say just go for that. DYK is comparatively smaller and it doesn't hurt to not have the DYK on the article if it does get accepted as a featured article. Of course, you're still welcome to try to further expand the article. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What confusing me is that currently Machu Picchu is a DYK and it has only 36,138 bytes where as Dreaming of You (album) has 65,401 bytes, I would like to know what's the difference between these articles. AJona1992 (talk) 22:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, Machu Picchu is not currently a DYK; List of World Heritage Sites in Peru is. Machu Picchu is merely linked in the hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mekia Cox

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 13:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook is not specifically stated as a fact, and cited, anywhere in the article. Hook is not very interesting anyway - it just tells us what this documentary is about. Article is currently at AfD (although trending towards Keep). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agreed. Hook is boring. Here's a more interesting ALT supported by sources:

Sverre Iversen

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 08:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Gliese 581 g

Created by Philg88 (talk). Self nom at 21:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Demiurge1000. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 12:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 29

George Ballis

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St. James Theatre, Auckland

Created by Sir Anon (talk). Nominated by Adabow (talk) at 09:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ǁKhauxaǃnas

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Castle of Park

Created by John of Reading (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 2010 Commonwealth Games

Created by AngChenrui (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix the references, per Rule D3. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, it's corrected now. ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 15:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently an empty section in the article; is this intentional? I think there's a broad general unwritten agreement around that articles with empty sections aren't looked upon that favourably for DYK. The "TBC" in the lead must go too. The merge tag is also an issue, albeit a smaller one, any progress on that? Issues aside, tweaked ALT1 slightly. Leaning towards passing ALT1 pending resolution of issues. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt it's a significant problem, since I often come across articles with sections that solely state: Main article: XXX page. The proposal for merger does not impair the article's quality or reliability in any way. TBC changed, I've made the update. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 16:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But are those articles selected content (DYK/GA/F*)? As I said, I believe there's an unwritten agreement on not accepting these for DYK. A simple summary of the linked article in the section would work. I agree the merge tag is not as big an issue but tags have been known to slow DYK nominations before. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 16:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's no problem now is there? ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 08:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The reference given for the venues show only eight rugby sevens training venues, not nine. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 09:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Made a tabulation error, my apologies. Corrected the hook as well as the article. You have a sharp eye indeed. Cheers, ANGCHENRUI Talk♨ 10:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedited ALT1 and approved. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 10:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Benson

Created/expanded by Caroline.goodson (talk). Nominated by Dmadeo (talk) at 07:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lengths and dates check out OK, but the hook fact isn't supported. Neither the article nor the cited source gives a reason why he was named a MacArthur fellow.--Orlady (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Enterprise (1864)

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Post Office (Pearl River, New York)

A brick building with a large main block and two smaller wings, seen from its left. Across the front metal letters spell out "United States Post Office, Pearl River, New York 10965". In the foreground are assorted mailboxes, private carrier drop boxes and newspaper boxes.

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Motor-paced racing

Motor-paced racing, Berlin, 1958

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


William Russell Lane-Joynt

three-quarter portrait of an elderly gentleman with full beard facing slightly left

Created by Ww2censor (talk). Self nom at 04:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Gay Street (Knoxville)‎

Created by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 03:18, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don Doll

  • ... that Don Doll, the only player in NFL history to register 10 or more interceptions in 3 separate seasons, changed his surname to "Doll" after being discharged from the Marines?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Munisteri

ALT: that Steve Munisteri, the chairman of the Texas Republican Party, is also a boxing promoter in Houston?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Targeted killing

  • ... that 2.5-inch-long "nano-drones" are now being developed for targeted killing which, like little killer bees, will be able to follow their target, even entering a room through an open window?
Created by Epeefleche (talk). Self nom|Nominated by --Epeefleche (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dang, that's a lot of copy-paste to check. I got to 5x a little after Targeted assassination#Con. Grsz11 02:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

four 1960s Princeton Tigers men's basketball teams

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1967–68 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1968–69 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald Skirth

5x expanded by Dwab3 (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kiruna Mine

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. BineMai 17:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 European terror plot

created by User:AMuseo, (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Gastric antral vascular ectasia

Image of GAVE showing watermelon signs

5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


James Stovall

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Would it be possible to find a more surprising or eye-catching hook? It is quite normal for directors to praise their own actors, singers, dancers etc.; just as it is normal for actors to say how great it was to work with the director. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't think of a good way to phrase this, but Stovall's performance in Finian's Rainbow, in which Carlyle said he "blew the roof off every night", was less than a year prior to Stovall's death. (The show opened in October 2009, and Stovall died in September 2010.) I think one could possibly put together a hook based on the fact that he was giving his enthusiastic performance near what turned out to be the end of his life. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colonia Peralvillo

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Throne of Weapons

an armed chair welded together and made out of modern AK47s etc

  • Comment: Its a bit April 1st but there are lots of other hooks possible

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the approval - I thought items on permanent display were exempted from copyright. But discuss on commons. I have deleted it here pending the finding. Victuallers (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Patently not under copyright according to Freedom of Panorama#United Kingdom, but now that Sandstein has blithely opened a deletion request without considering the facts of the case it is unlikely that the picture can be used for DYK as Commons deletion requests can take weeks or months to close. BabelStone (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I've closed my own deletion request since it has been correctly pointed out to me that British FOP covers this sort of thing. I've reenabled the image.  Sandstein  05:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mässmogge

Mässmogge

Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inocybe cookei

Four ochre coloured mushrooms growing from soil among dead leaves

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Una Padel

  • ... that Una Padel, a criminal-justice reformer, was described as having a "profound sense of social justice" which "stemmed from an incisive understanding of and empathy with the underdog"?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deam Lake State Recreation Area, Charles C. Deam

Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Everything checks out. I revised the hook wording slightly to clarify that "state forester" and "discovered 25 new plant species" are separate accomplishments. --Orlady (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The new hook is better, thanks. Dincher (talk) 03:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Winterrowd

  • ... that Wayne Winterrowd was called "one of the driving forces in North American horticulture", while his gardens in Readsboro, Vermont were said to represent "American gardening at its best"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flame fougasse

A demonstration of flame fougasse, somewhere in Britain. A car is surrounded in flames and a huge cloud of smoke. In the foreground, a soldier can be seen running from left to right.

  • ... a flame fougasse can shoot a jet of flame 10 feet (3.0 m) wide and 30 yards (27 m) long?

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Nominated by Gaius Cornelius (talk) at 12:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Stricken. (In the future, Gaius, you can help reviewers by indicating, using the |comment= parameter, when the article was moved to mainspace.)
My appologies. I did know that, but forgot on this occasion. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fred Lord Hilton eyewitness account gives a general description. The figures come from the Barel Flame Traps document, the relevent sentence reads "40-gallon barrel fougasses project a beam of buring fuel about 10 feet wide to a range of about 30 yards." Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll AGF it. But if a given reference doesn't contain the fact, it shouldn't be cited there as if it does; it sends the reader on a wild goose chase. I have edited the article accordingly. Everything else is good to go. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Ancient synagogue (Eshtemoa)

Created by Chesdovi (talk). Nominated by Chesdovi (talk) at 11:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the article be called "Eshtemoa Synagogue"? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 11:49, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Balaji Sadasivan

A middle-aged Indian man wearing a black suit, white shirt and red tie speaking into a microphone.

5x expanded by Jacklee (talk), based on an article created by Black Falcon (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 06:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Lactarius vinaceorufescens

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Capricorn Silvereye

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • With these birds, it means that the pairs that build the nests and defend the territories are the genetic (or "true") parents of the chicks they raise. That is, they are sexually "faithful" to each other. This does not always hold with many other species of birds (e.g. many fairy-wrens) of which genetic testing has shown that the females are prone to having extra-pair copulations. There is some explanation of this here. Maias (talk) 00:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Centre for Crime and Justice Studies

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 28

Bubble Wrap (brand)

Created by Arbitrarily0 (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Turk

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 07:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Secrets of Scientology

Created by TheRetroGuy (talk), Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1958–59 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1959–60 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1960–61 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 00:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Heinrich XXXII Reuss of Köstritz

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

xxxHolic: A Midsummer Night's Dream

Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Garmer

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 22:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Endrulat, Borussia Mönchengladbach 12–0 Borussia Dortmund

Created by Jared Preston (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


BBC Somali Service

5x expanded by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • True, the poll took place no later than 1999, but two recent studies on the subject of Somalis in the UK, one dated 2006 and the other 2009, which looked at media consumption (amongst other things) saw fit to reference this poll, so no reason we shouldn't. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District

A blue building with a peaked roof, steps on the right and a large open tower at right rear with a conical red metal object on top.

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Scyllarus pygmaeus

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Harrison (physician)

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colonia Morelos

A close up of a Santa Muerte image

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter

A circular sandstone font standing on an octagonal base, bearing a floral decoration

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Gus Bevona

  • ... that Gus Bevona resigned from local SEIU 32BJ in 1999, in the face of criticism for annual pay of $531,529 in 1997, more than 17 times the salary of the janitors and building workers he represented?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Koha Jonë

  • ... that the newspaper Koha Jonë is seen as the first newspaper that achieved press freedom in Albania after the Communist downfall in 1991?

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    • First sentence is a machine translation of its own first on-line reference. And the sentence makes no sense when translated into English where it talks of the cleverness of the name of the paper - which may work in Albanian but not English. DYK entries must have 1500 chars of original text Victuallers (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the spelling problem --Vinie007 16:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gazeta 55

5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guepinia

A cluster of a salmon-pink ear-shaped fungus growing on the ground.

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Night of Enitharmon's Joy

The Night of Enitharmon's Joy by William Blake, 1795

Created (and expanded today) by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 4:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

150 chars required, right? I can suggest:

A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother

Eugene Delacroix, A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother, 1830

Created by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 3:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

You're right. So I suggest:
What do you think? Thanks, NandO talk! 01:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is phrased slightly differently, will AGF accept the following hook (added "said to have"): ... that French artist Eugène Delacroix is said to have used his own pet cat as model to paint the tigers of A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother (pictured, 1830)? StrPby (talk) 05:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plymouth Congregational Church (Lawrence, Kansas)

Plymouth Congregational Church in 1870

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Red Cross parcel

Parcel for prisoners of war wrapped in brown paper and sealed with string, carrying the symbols of the Red Cross and the order of St John

Created by Ecjmartin (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. - Ecjmartin (talk) 12:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Premises

Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 00:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 27

Abel I. Smith Burial Ground

  • Comment: I think I got this just in time... :)

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 03:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tore Holden

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • In BingoLotto, you quote the same source as saying Holden "had no television experience". Perhaps you could check the Norwegian source again? Additionally, your original hook uses the word "host" twice. Do you have another suggestion? Yoninah (talk) 21:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1978 NBA Draft

Larry Bird, wearing the Boston Celtics jersey, is trying to shoot a basketball.

5x expanded by Martin tamb (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • 5x expansion verified. Date, length, hook ref verified. One question: Both sources say that Bird declined to sign because he had one year of college eligibility left. Doesn't that mean he wanted to keep playing at the college level, rather than wanting to take another year of college? Yoninah (talk) 19:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


List of conservation areas in Brighton and Hove; Carlton Hill, Brighton

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rhyme Book

5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Great Flood of 1862

Created by Asiaticus (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By all means. Secret Saturdays (talk to me)what's new? 23:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Hill Smith

Created by M2545 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pakuashipi, Quebec

5x expanded by P199 (talk). Nominated by P199 (talk) at 17:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grainsby Halt railway station

Created by Lamberhurst (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Capon

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is there a more startling hook? I'm not sure I'm surprised. If it wasn't for the BLP issue then I think a better hook would be Capon said it was impressive to cook a 3 course meal for ten dollars a sitting Victuallers (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we could add the word "gourmet" but it's a 3-courses for $10/person. That's not necessarily feasible. Tommy! 13:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Modified hook. Tommy! 16:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bingolotto (Norway)

  • ... that after BingoLotto in Norway was launched in 1993 and cancelled in 1994, an attempted revive in 1996 was stalled and stopped by the government in 1998 after being a part of the election campaign in 1997?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 08:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Evans (comedian)

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amalfi Cathedral

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check up, assuming good faith on hook reference. There's one thing that bugs me with the hook, though. I presume the doors were the first bronze doors in Italy, but I fear the wording doesn't quite make it clear. It could be interpreted as first doors in Italy cast in Constantinople or even first doors in Italy, if you like :) — Toдor Boжinov — 17:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Gal

  • ... that Dutch dressage rider Edward Gal and his horse have been called "rock stars in the horse world" after setting multiple world records in top competition?

5x expanded by Dale Arnett (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jimi Heselden

Created by Smallman12q (talk), Finlay McWalter (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 01:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zef Jubani

Zef Jubani

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 01:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Minotaur (1863)

A five-masted warship, painted black, with furled sails and two funnels

  • ... that the five-masted ironclad HMS Minotaur and her sisters were described as "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 23:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a great-sounding hook and a great article. But the hook is misleading, and indeed even a mis-quotation. Per the article, Minotaur was one of three ships described in this way, and the three ships together were described as "the dullest performers under canvas". Minotaur was not a single ship described alone as "the dullest performer". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, but it still applies to the ship. I've rephrased to include her sisters, but I've probably blown the 300 character limit.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Possible ruthless trimming of the hook, if needed;
ALT1 ... that HMS Minotaur and her sisters were called "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whitefriars, Bristol

5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Quick MOS fix: "sixteenth century antiquary" should have been "16th-century antiquary" (numbers not words for centuries; hyphenated in this usage as opposed to, say, "in the 16th century"). Incidentally, this is the MOS fix I end up doing most frequently on DYK when the hooks are on the main page, so you're not alone! BencherliteTalk 13:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wandsworth Shield

circular bronze shield with a domed boss and two stylised bird designs

  • ... that the Wandsworth Shield (pictured) has a repoussée design of two large birds with outstretched wings and trailing tail feathers, and is considered to be a masterpiece of British Celtic art?

Created by BabelStone (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Totten

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Moran (baseball)

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Saints Peter and Paul, Nikopol

frontal view of a partially destroyed medieval church constructed out of interchanging rows of stone and red brick

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 21:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • One reference calls it "the monastery" and the other states it is the only remaining part of a medieval monastery. So isn't it part of the old monastery. Combining the two references with reduced confidence appears to be WP:OR.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! "The Little Monastery" is the name that the locals apply to the ruined church itself. Ref #2 only contains info on the name "The Little Monastery". Ref #1 states that it is the only remaining part of a medieval monastery (it's the sentence: "Обекта [sic] е единствена оцеляла част от средновековен манастирски комплекс. "). I can rephrase that if you think there's something wrong with the wording (i.e., if you don't think it has the same meaning as the source), but there's no OR involved. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ignatius III Atiyah

  • ... that the two claiming Melkite Patriarchs, Ignatius III Atiyah and Cyril IV Dabbas, were both consecrated on the same day, April 24, 1619 but in different places?

Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bhutan-Thailand relations

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 17:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph L. Melnick

  • ... that Joseph L. Melnick found that the most common way that polio was spread was by fecal contamination of soiled hands and that the poliovirus could survive for extended periods in sewage?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin F. White (Montana politician)

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladesh Ansars

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. How bout this -

Village Defence Party

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: This is a really interesting hook (in my opinion) and a really interesting article, but the hook fact is sourced to the organization that is responsible for the creation and control of the subject of the article and hook. Not sure if this is appropriate or not, can someone else comment? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have added another source for the point that at least 50% of the force is composed of women. As for the source of the Ansars/VDP website, it is a government institution site, not really a questionable source. Shiva (Visnu) 00:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dorothy M. Horstmann, Robert W. McCollum

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • "spread in the bloodstream"? This seems like "within the blood circulation, from one part of the body to another part of the body". Do you mean "bloodborne"? And "leading to"? Do you mean "paving the way for"? Or "setting the stage for"? Not sure about the cause-&-effect relationship here. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 03:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Torlonia Vase

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 12:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • off-line article backing article and hook are accepted in good faith, and this link to the source cited in the article covers most of what's there, though further access to the rest of the article would be a pretty stiff $15. The article and hook length are fine. Alansohn (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The quote that I was able to manipulate from the article says that "For a long time it was also the largest in diameter of known antique marble vases and one of the few with a figurative frieze". The word "marble" should be added to the hook to reflect the source and the possibility that there were larger vases made of other material, such as earthenware. Alansohn (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gilgel Gibe II Power Station

  • ... that shortly after its inauguration, part of the Gilgel Gibe II Power Station's 26 km (16 mi) tunnel, which was "considered one of the most difficult tunnel projects ever undertaken", collapsed?

Created/nom by--NortyNort (Holla) 10:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed "had" from before "collapsed" as it isn't necessary. Smartse (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense

Created by Slgrandson (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't this article be at A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense instead? It seems as if the rest is the series title, and the latter is the actual episode title. Apart from that, what's so special about the fact that a franchise owner does something with its franchise? A more captivating hook would be better... Fram (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT: ... that the creation of Selchow and Righter's Scrabble People, who appeared in 1985's syndicated cartoon special A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, involved the designers of Cabbage Patch Kids? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As for the move, you're right. They also appeared in an educational video back then ... and in at least two books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rewording for clarity:
ALT: ... that the designers of Cabbage Patch Kids created Selchow and Righter's Scrabble People, the title characters of 1985's syndicated cartoon special A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:52, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Babatunde Jose

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Black people and crime in the United Kingdom

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I know Wikipedia is not censored but just as we do not feature overly negative hooks about living people on the front page, altering this hook might be similarly advisable. Perhaps a hook could be crafted noting that "Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime." which is also significantly disproportionate to the population as a whole while focusing on a perhaps less inflammatory aspect of the data. - Dravecky (talk) 10:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm also concerned about using this hook on the front page. While I don't object in principle to an article of this sort providing it is balanced and contextualised, rather than simply suggesting that a group of people are somehow predisposed to committing crime, I'm worried that that complexity is lost in any one-sentence hook. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • For instance, there is research demonstrating that ethnicity is not a significant predictor of crime, a point that I have just added to the article. People reading the hook would probably come to a different conclusion. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will have to resist these comments. There was some activity on the article but didn't really affect the hook, though have slightly clarified a few words. I don't think the opposing comments have basis in the rules. To me, this is an interesting hook, likely to draw readers, and is based on statistics, so the factual grounding is solid. Of course it doesn't explain the details but that can't be done in 200 characters. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt this is an interesting hook was unsure about it. Based off your comments, Dravecky and the hook tweak, I don't have a problem.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You're free to "resist these comments" just as I am free to feel strongly that the current proposed hook is inappropriate for the front page as inflammatory and unduly negative, especially without context as you note above. - Dravecky (talk) 07:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Only my argument is based on the rules whereas yours is not. There is no issue with 'context', neither did I say so (I merely rather redundantly noted that further explanation would be helpful, as always), and you haven't made clear what 'context' you mean. Indeed if there's any context to be had it would be by noting the percentage of the black population versus the Met Police statistics (which may or may not make them look better). Your hook would appear to have the same 'issue' and additionally is less interesting and more unwieldy. Christopher Connor (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While I confess to a wide interpretation of 'living individuals', my comments are based on the rule "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." Other editors are, of course, allowed to disagree with my interpretation but I apply that rule consistently in all of my hook reviews. - Dravecky (talk) 09:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe there is a way to reword the hook to focus on the gangs, who is more narrow but then again referring to a negative segment; violent gangs. Also, Operation Trident would work in an ALT.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The group is about 800,000 in number (London estimates) so concerns over 'living people' appear to be misplaced. If you feel that DYK should have rules on 'controversial' hooks, the place to pursue that is on the DYK talk page, not here. Christopher Connor (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As above, point to a rule which backs up your opinion instead of simply declaring you don't like this hook. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't need one, DYK leaves a lot of leeway to reviewers, but "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided" is at Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules. There is certainly another hook that can be less negative, like taking action to help resolve issues of black crime, etc., that this kind is not needed. No need to be needlessly insensitive, whatever your intentions are. Grsz11 15:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That only applies to individuals or small groups, not to unidentifiable, generic groups of 800,000 strong which account for 12 percent of a major city. Additionally, the same 'hook' appears in the first sentence of the report by The Sunday Telegraph, who initially reported it, and also the Daily Mail; so, for example, nothing is being done that our reliable sources haven't done. Also, this story is one of the most recent being only three months old. Based on this, I fail to see how the opposing comments can stand and why this shouldn't be moved into the queue. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, I went to the links you posted, and did a search for the phrase "black people." Here's what came up: "black people are at least six times more likely to be stopped and searched than their white counterparts" and "black people are more than twice as likely to have their cases dismissed, suggesting unfairness in the system." Neither of those statements is referred to in your article. Why is that? 28bytes (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It just seems to a lot of people that you've cherry-picked certain information to include, and have neglected others, as 28bytes points out. This certainly isn't the only hook possible from the article. Adding balancing information like mentioned above provides even more possibilities. Grsz11 16:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please, these comments and insinuations aren't helpful. 28bytes's particular issues are distracting and best dealt with at the article, not here. Suggestions that I've been cherry-picking are not only untrue, but also have the effect of putting me in a bad light and seem like an attempt to avoid responding to the comments I made earlier. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My suggestion: incorporate the information from the quotes I referenced to give the article a little more balance, rename the article to something less inflammatory (Race and crime in the United Kingdom, perhaps?) so that it doesn't run afoul of WP:AND, and use the information from one of those quotes as the hook. With those changes, I suspect there will be fewer objections to it going to the queue. 28bytes (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I was going to do all that you say, I may as well retire. Christopher Connor (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This hook (and likely this article) isn't suitable for placement on the main page due to its subject. It just won't work there. Prodego talk 20:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This concern is identical to the previous ones (which have been addressed or are outside the scope of the rules). Since this appears to be wider than this article, see the thread I opened on the talk page. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Quite frankly, the hook comes off as racist; even if you're stating a sourced fact, the way you're stating it makes it sound as if you're trying to make a point. (I'm not saying you are a racist, maybe your intentions are innocent, but this is nonetheless the way it looks to an uninvolved reader.) Not to mention that the article itself looks like borderline OR to me. I will let others deal with the article itself and decide whether something needs to be done with it (I see there are already merge suggestions coming up), but the nomination is certainly not appropriate for DYK. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think the BLP argument is a red herring as this is a large group--not what BLP was designed for. 28bytes make some valid points except I think if it is renamed to "race and crime..." people will bitch about why other minorities aren't mentioned. Some of the objections smack of political correctness because it's a well documented fact that minorities in many countries are arrested and incarcerated at a higher rate than the racial majority in those countries and articles neutrally and objectively addressing a sensitive topic should not be turned away. The second legit objection is that even if a hook is well sourced and true, we avoid hooks that'd upset large groups of people or are highly sensitive (ex: we didn't put a 9/11 hook up this Sep 11th, we put it up a few days later). It appears many of the concerns have already been addressed, so in my view add in quotes 28bytes mentioned, tone down the hook, and an acceptable hook will result. As for the Jewish lawyer article, there are similar articles such as Stereotypes of African Americans. Copying this to Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Extreme_resistance_to_my_DYK also. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will compromise by proposing a new hook. Source. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note there's now a 'move' proposal but to a different topic, which is not appropriate, and people are merely voting and putting forth unsound arguments which are being easily refuted. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    • As the article creator, you're not really in a position to tell everyone else that everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong (the blunt way of saying "putting forth unsound arguments"). As for "being easily refuted", the person responding to every comment at the move discussion is you; let someone else be the judge of how good a job you are doing refuting the arguments. For now we should just sit back and see what consensus emerges. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irving J. Moore

ALT1: that Irving J. Moore directed the 1980 episode "Who shot J.R.?" of the CBS soap opera Dallas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and sourcing for article and hook are fine. ALT1 is no issue, but the original hook is mentioned in the Los Angeles Times obituary, but does not have an explicit source in the article, which should be added. The Dynasty episode was the highest-ranked TV program in history at the time, and was a major cultural meme while the cliffhanger was still left unresolved. Any of these factoids might make the hook more interesting. Alansohn (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chesterfield Island stingaree, New Caledonian stingaree, butterfly stingaree

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 04:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changed it back; "Chesterfield Island" and "New Caledonian" are capitalized because they're proper nouns, "butterfly" is not, and fish common names are in sentence case. -- Yzx (talk) 14:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 26

1921–22 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1954–55 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Mann (American football)

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • sourcing, length and 5x expansion verified for hook and article. The sources regarding being the first African American player for the Lions and Packers are accepted on good faith. The "railroaded" aspect is covered by the Los Angeles Times article referenced in the article, but as additional support I found (and added) another source based on what appears to be the same UP feed that the LA Times used. Great job on expanding what was a bare stub into an expansive and thorough article. Alansohn (talk) 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
hook is way too long at 231 characters. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an alt shortened version:
appr alt, this one is 180. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yamaha XV1900

5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Really not a very interesting hook in my opinion. It's difficult to find anything especially eye-catching in the article, but how about;
ALT1 ... that the Yamaha XV1900 (pictured) is the largest Yamaha V-twin motorcycle in production, and a version of it has a 210mm rear tire that is the widest on any Yamaha motorcycle?
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greyfriars, Bristol

5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sue Torres

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: In the article, the hook fact is sourced only to the restaurant's own website. Plus the hook is potentially misleading - the restaurant was not the sole winner of some "Taster's choice", but in fact was merely recommended in that category alongside three other restaurants. In any case, is it not possible to find a more eye-catching hook? A restaurant being one of several restaurants praised in a restaurant review, is not really surprising or especially interesting in my opinion. It happens hundreds of times every single day. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I was unaware of that. Where did you find that information? Tommy! 20:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The source (the restaurant's own website) says 'Suenos was listed as in Vogue's "Taster's Choice" 2004 by Jeffery Steingarten as one of the lasting four monuments of 2003'. So I would guess that means that article listed this restaurant and three others. For all we know, Vogue might have listed twenty other restaurants in five other categories in the same issue. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I know the hook isn't my best but I didn't really know how to make it sound interesting... unless you got a suggestion :) Tommy! 21:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Easiest would be to persuade this celebrity chef to do something outrageously surprising or interesting, and then persuade a RS to write about it :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
After reading your comment again, as Jeffrey Steingarten said it was "one of the lasting 4 monuments"... I think that's strong (in a positive way) manner. Jeffrey Steingarten is known for being harsh in his criticism. Tommy! 00:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Russian battleship Sevastopol (1895)

Created by User:Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 17:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even those not damaged at all? --64.231.53.243 (talk) 07:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, those were salvaged entirely and refloated under a Japanese flag. Buggie111 (talk) 13:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"refloated"? Right. They needed to be sunken first. Otherwise, there's no ship to salvage. Nobody salvages perfectly working ships. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 03:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All the BB's there were sunk. Buggie111 (talk) 03:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jody Williams (chef)

Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

— Rlevse • Talk • 23:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford Castle

A tall stone tower, seen from below, against a blue sky.

5x expanded by Hchc2009 (talk). Nominated by Hchc2009 (talk) at 15:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. How big did it need to be to reach 5x? Hchc2009 (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The prose portion (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, tables etc.) needs to be expanded fivefold. It was 2,555 characters on 27 August, so the current prose size should be at least 12,775 characters. You can check prose size using this script. BabelStone (talk) 23:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Typical! :) Thanks for checking it! Hchc2009 (talk) 08:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Heidenmauer

Created by Sadads (talk). Nominated by Self (talk) at 05:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This hook is referenced by ref. 4 in the article, which cites note 14 in http://www.jstor.org/stable/2872924. This note says nothing at all about The Heidenmauer. Note 13 does mention this book, but only says "The narrator himself often calls our attention to the unsettling aspects of justice", with a quotation from the book about the dangers of power. I don't think that supports this hook. Ucucha 21:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed 14 to 13 and how about:

Alt....that in the 'Heidenmauer' James Fenimore Cooper deliberately employs harsh criticism of European society and aristocracy seeking to unhinge a romantic view of Europe?

Sadads (talk) 01:41, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If the hook is not supported by the source, then neither is the text in the article; please correct that too. I don't have time to check the other sources now, but I don't think it's a good idea to pipe "social class" to "European society". Also, I don't know why the word "deliberately" is there; surely, no one would think that he did it accidentally? Ucucha 02:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neuilly sa mère !

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussion, resolved. rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops, thanks for the reminder. I meant to add a brief paragraph about the title (as it's idiomatic and hard to translate directly) and totally forgot; I'll try to put one together today. As for the reception section, I am waiting on one or two newspapers reviews and will try to add a bit from them once I've got them. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't the space between mère and the exclamation mark be removed? Or is that a French punctuation convention? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 09:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, French punctuation convention. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Gato: I added one review (the one from Le Monde I'm still waiting on, the library seems to be taking its time and I don't feel like paying €3 for a subscription) and went ahead and removed the {{expand-section}} tag. The reviews section is still not long, but the need for expansion isn't urgent either. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I hope this won't seem overly pedantic, but you don't actually have a source for the claim that "sa mere !" figuratively means "fucking" or "stuff it". I understand in English this term is usually meant as an insult (approximately equivalent to "fuck you"), is there a subtle difference in the meaning of the French term and if so do you have a source? If not, I'm thinking it might be better to just provide a straight literal translation "Neuilly your mother!" and let the reader himself figure out the intent. Gatoclass (talk) 07:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm, I have not found any academic sources for it, but I can vouch from personal communication that the translation is something along those lines. There is a guideline somewhere that sources shouldn't necessarily be needed for basic translation, although it seems to be frequently contested; if someone wants to put an {{or}} tag on it I won't protest. For now, I have added a more literal translation in front. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As it turns out, I managed (unexpectedly) to find an English-language reliable source for this and added it to the article, also tweaking the description a bit (I doubt I'll find a source for "fucking", and the less profane translation is also accurate, perhaps more so). This is the only English RS I've found; the rest of the coverage which is in French, where they don't need to explain the title (some of those articles mention "it has a funny title" or "I was disappointed with how boring the movie was in spite of its great title", but that's about it). rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see DS removed this hook from the queue without discussion (again) because the statement is "not contained in the article". It is. It's not taken word-for-word from the article, but it's there. Both films, according to the sources, touch on issues of social inequality with "fish out of water" plots, i.e. transplanting a character of one background into another setting ("juxtaposing" different social groups). It's a rather simple connection to make, I think, and I haven't even seen Long Quiet River. I think DS is being a little overzealous here. rʨanaɢ (talk) 11:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Probably. But the wording of the hook just reeks of OR. How about: ALT1 * that the 2009 French comedy Neuilly sa mère ! has been compared to the 1988 French comedy Life is a Long Quiet River? DS (talk) 12:02, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not OR because the first three references all say it. And the ALT hook is bland (the original isn't the greatest either, but it's still more interesting than "hey, two films have been compared". rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here are translations of the relevant portions of references 2 and 3:
  • [2] Neuilly-sa-mère is a recycling of Groseille and Quesnoy [apparently characters from Long Quiet River] in the middle of Sarkozy-land (here we are speaking of Life is a Long Quiet River, for those of you who've been living in the North Pole for the past 20 years. Except that, as the name indicates, Roubaix [setting of Long Quiet River] has been moved to the chic and presidential Neuilly-sur-Seine, and that Momo Groseille is named Samy Benboudaoud this time. As for the rest, nothing to say.
  • [3] Neuilly sa mère is not a political film, but rather a social comedy [lit.: a comedy with a social basis] with allusions to political life. It's a 21st-century remake of Life is a Long Quiet River, where culture shock is an occasion for repeated gags.... [one viewer described it as "a film where] reconciliation triumphs over difference. [emph. added]
  • And another one: [4] Considered a 2000s version of Life is a Long Quiet River, Neuilly sa mere, directed by Gabriel Julien-Lafferière, is a comedy based on a collision between social and cultural classes.
rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have given the intro a tweak so that it conforms more closely to the original hook. If there are no further objections, I think this can be promoted now. Gatoclass (talk) 12:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Bowman

I've pulled this one out of the queue because the hook doesn't feel right. From my reading of the article, he did accept his first selection, but it had to be approved "bicamerally" (clergy and laity both), and the laity didn't approve, and therefore he agreed to withdraw so as to not cause trouble. That's not the same as "not accepting". DS (talk) 13:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's just semantics. Whether he initially accepted or not, and it's not at all clear from the text, he eventually declined the position because the laity objected. This removal just underlines the problems with your queue removals, which I now must agree are becoming disruptive. Gatoclass (talk) 15:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For 10 October, 19th Sunday after Trinity

Ich elender Mensch, wer wird mich erlösen, BWV 48

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For 31 October, Hallowe'en

  • The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. My interpretation of whats happening is ... 1. Move your hook to the bottom of the page (ie here) 2. You may get some more macabre, funny etc suggestions for a hook and it should get DYKtick'ed. 3. Then after its been there about 24 hours or so it gets moved off to the dedicated page. 4. Then about three or four days before Oct 31 we sort out the 40 or so hooks into "8"s (so they are ready to load on the 36 hours or so that is Halloween internationally). 5. We do the awards and 6 .... and please help with all of this. It only works if we all do a bit Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Brown Lady of Raynham Hall

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 12:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning of the End

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Must admit, I don't think this is really a Halloween one, especially given that we're not short of Halloween ones. Halloween fans may like to look at two regular DYKs above that I've flagged as possibles, although they're still in the main queue at present. Le Deluge (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Cooper, Inc.

- Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in the United States in 1990?

- Hook corrected to show where costumes were sold. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Only in places where there's a JC Penney. Trust me, that subclause just doesn't work outside the US, and to be honest it's redundant, it could just be struck out entirely. Or as Victuallers says, the "high priest" version is a ready-made alternative that needs no knowledge of US culture, and thus is a better hook. WTGR Tim, you really need to think a bit more globally - 50% of en.wiki users are outside the US, and that proportion is growing. Le Deluge (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It doesn't appear, Le Deluge, that you know who Halston was. He was internationally famous (he designed Jacqueline Kennedy's iconic pillbox hat outfit, which had worldwide recognition), and was well-known throughout Europe and portions of Asia. His recognizability is perhaps more time-bound (who knows who he is today?), but the quote was from 1979 (when he was still a worldwide icon of high couture and not a budget-conscious caricature as he was at the end). Accusing someone of ethnocentrism is, I don't think, an appropriate response to the proposed hook (especially if you don't know that person, or their contributions). If you are concerned that hooks are not worldwide in nature, I can only respond that 1) That is not a DYK criteria and 2) 17 of the accepted 22 hooks for this year do not involve worldwide topics. A far more appropriate criticism of the hook would be that it does not say where Ben Cooper, Inc. sold 4 million costumes (a very legitimate issue which I will correct). - Tim1965 (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
    Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support' as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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