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Russia launches an investigation following reports that shells landed inside Rostov Oblast, 2 km from the Russia–Ukraine border. At least one structure on a farm is reportedly destroyed. (Reuters)(TASS)
Ottawa police continue clearing protesters on Parliament Hill. Over 170 people have been arrested since Thursday as part of an effort to end the protests. (NBC News)(India Times)
Freedom Convoy demonstrators admit that the protests are near the end. (The Washington Post)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
A UAZ-469 jeep is blown up outside of a building of the Donetsk People's Republic government in Donetsk city. No injuries are reported. (The Jerusalem Post)
Russia confirms that the Druzhba pipeline is on fire in rebel-held Luhansk Oblast after a massive explosion cut off gas to almost a hundred households. Transit supplies to Europe were not affected and continue as usual. (Reuters)
Additional explosions are reported in Luhansk. The Luhansk People's Republic authorities state that a gas station has been blown up. (Metro)(National Post)
The British government relocates its embassy from Kyiv to the western Ukrainian city of Lviv, and again urges its citizens to leave the country while they still can. (Reuters)
Eight Malian soldiers and 57 Islamist militants are killed during a gunfight in the Archam region, after 40 civilians were killed there during terrorist attacks last week. (Al Jazeera)
Israel's Iron Dome fails to intercept a Hezbollah-operated military drone from Lebanon that penetrated seventy kilometers into Israeli airspace. The drone flew for forty minutes before returning to Lebanon. Israeli jets fly at very low altitude over Beirut in response to the incident. (Times of Israel)(ABC News)
South Korea reports a record 109,831 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1.75 million. (Al Jazeera)
The Ottawa Police Service makes over 100 arrests, including the arrest of protest organizer Pat King. Police accuse protestors of assaulting officers with one person being arrested after allegedly throwing a bicycle at a horse with a mounted officer on it. (CBC News)(MSN)
Article:Storm Eunice (talk·history·tag) Blurb: In Europe, ten people are killed in Storm Eunice (pictured). (Post) Alternative blurb: In Europe, ten people are killed in Storm Eunice (pictured). A windspeed of 122 miles per hour (196 km/h) is the highest ever recorded in England. News source(s):BBC, BBC South Credits:
Nominator's comments: Significant European Windstorm, causing much disruption in Ireland, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the need, honestly and respectfully. I would understand if it was the highest wind gust ever recorded in Europe (although I wouldn't support it either), but not when we are talking about a specific country when it's a natural disaster that affects many more nations. Also I don't recall seeing other blurbs about storms mentioning these types of records. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Worst storm to hit the UK for almost 35 years. Unusual event, though there is a certain lack of international coverage and notability. PenangLion (talk) 08:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage mostly refers to wind speeds and intensity rather than the death toll. In terms of intensity, it is one of (thanks for the correction) the worst since the Storm of 1987. PenangLion (talk) 10:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. Ten deaths in one place would be marginal. It’s a bus crash. Ten deaths scattered over a wide area is no more than routine misfortune on any old Monday. Article is good quality. Praise for the work but it’s not quite an ITN level event. JehochmanTalk11:27, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article:Boris Nevzorov (talk·history·tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s):TASS Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support, though I note that no official cause of death has been announced (AFAIK). He had stage 4 kidney cancer but was recently admitted to hospital with COVID-19. B.Rossow · talk16:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Panama-flagged car carrier MV Felicity Ace is abandoned approximately 90 nautical miles southwest of the Azores following a severe fire onboard. The ship's entire 22-man crew safely evacuates using lifeboats. (CNN)
British Columbia lifts most of its COVID-19 restrictions, allowing all businesses to reopen and operate at full capacity. Indoor gatherings and organized events are also permitted to operate without occupancy limits. However, provincial mandates requiring the use of vaccine cards for entry into businesses and the use of masks in indoor settings remain in effect. (CBC)
The Dominican Republic ends all COVID-19-related public health measures, including mask wearing mandates and use of vaccine passes in order to enter public places, despite not reaching 70% of its vaccination target. (U.S. News & World Report)
The Kuwaiti Ministers of Defense and the Interior, both members of the ruling Al-Sabah family, resign. The resignations are accepted by the Emir, who appoints a different member of the Al-Sabah family and Mohammad al-Fares, the current Oil Minister, to their respective posts. (Reuters)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
This wikibio with only 270 words of readable prose seems too stubby for ITN. 40 years at the New York Times summarized with a two-sentence paragraph? Then one sentence each for founding The Hill and Politico? Can more be written about his long career? --PFHLai (talk) 05:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A man is killed in a shark attack off Little Bay, Sydney, Australia. It is the first fatal shark attack in Sydney since 1963. A witness estimated that the shark was about 4.5 metres (15 ft) in length. (Reuters)
Indonesia reports a record for the second consecutive day of 64,718 new COVID-19 cases, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 4.96 million. (detikHealth)
Malaysia reports a record 27,831 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 3.11 million. (The Star)
South Korea reports a record 90,443 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1.55 million. (CNA)
Switzerland lifts almost all of its COVID-19-related restrictions, with people no longer needing to show COVID-19 vaccine certificates to enter public venues, due to confidence that infection rates had been uncoupled from hospitalization. (Politico.eu)
The Alaska Aces, the second most successful team in the history of the league with 14 championship titles in 35 years, announced that it will cease to exist after the conclusion of the ongoing 2021 PBA Governors' Cup. (ESPN)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Known as the "Berlin Candy Bomber" for his involvement in Operation Little Vittles following World War II; Congressional Gold Medal recipient, among other honors Ryan Reeder (talk) 18:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Kannada language poet. Article requires significant work. But, it is worth investing time imo. I will get to it later tonight. Ktin (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: This nomination highlights the language extinction and is an alternative for the blurb discussion below. I don't remember that we've ever posted a language extinction, and the fact it was a language isolate makes it more significant. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The Yaghan language isn't an extinct language, but rather is a dead language (as defined in the article) as of Calderon's death. An extinct language is a language with no longer any speakers, and given that there are people who are speaking Yaghan thanks to Calderon's tireless work, including Calderon's daughters, however not as a their native language, thus making it a dead language instead. The article itself does not refer to the language, nor even the culture, as dead, due to Calderon's hard work in preserving the Yagan language and cultural traditions. Ornithoptera (talk) 10:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That also raises the issue of the France24 article listed does not say that the language is extinct following her death, so that raises an additional concern. The conclusion is garnered from something that is indirectly gleaned from reading between the lines rather than something explicitly stated by the news article being used as its source. Ornithoptera (talk) 10:16, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - It's a bit of a wobbly nomination given there are no previous examples to this. Personally I would like to support the nomination, but on the basis that there hasn't been any similar ITNs about language-extinctions, I'm abstaining the vote until a consensus has been generally reached. Cheers, PenangLion (talk) 10:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unclear if it's accurate as written. One anthropologist said, The younger generation know the language but not to the same degree that Cristina does,[2] Perhaps it's more nuanced, like she was the last full-blooded, fluent speaker—but that seems too narrow to blurb. RIP.
Oppose per Ornithoptera, Gotitbro, and Bagumba. Dead rather than extinct takes some of the air out of this, in my opinion, and personally this is kind of like posting a species extinction. They, sadly, happen to a frequent degree, and just the acknowledgement of this is what is news. And, like a species extinction, this is somewhat hypothetical, as in Calderón is the last known native speaker. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – According to our article, 20 years ago there were 1,685 Yaghan in Chile, a total that by 2017 had declined a bit. Apparently all, or nearly all, have gone to Spanish as their mother tongue. Since that process has been under way for many years, this announcement does not seem to have notable significance or impact, though it may be of interest to ethnologists. Also, not widely covered. – Sca (talk) 16:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
RD This is mostly a recent death. It's weak as a blurb because, currently, there's not much news coverage out there. There has been quite a bit of coverage of the language's fading status in recent years – see Atlas Obscura, for example. Of course, just listing the woman's name in RD doesn't provide any context or clue but that's a general failing of the current RD format. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think, to respond to this, the species extinction comparison is a good one. When white rhinos go extinct, there will be lots of media and lots of people caring because white rhinos are big and beautiful, were pretty common, and humans are a cause of extinction. The language comparison would be French going extinct and a massacre being partially responsible. That would get posted. But lots of species go extinct quite regularly, actually, and when it is microbial life that few humans have ever witnessed, very isolated, and there were only about 1000 examples that just died by natural causes, nobody really cares. That is this. Kingsif (talk) 08:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on article quality. Referencing is dreadful and will require a great deal of work before this could be seriously considered for posting on the main page. Suggest closing for now as there is no point in even discussing the merits with the article in its current shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:38, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Last known native speaker of the Yaghan language and last full-blooded Yaghan person, I have been updating and sourcing portions of the article that have been unsourced previously, should be relevant for RD. This is my first RD nomination so if I get something wrong just let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Relevant enough for RD. I did update it when she died but there were no news reports at the time and later I could not continue modifying the article. Bedivere (talk) 01:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Her death marks the extinction of a language. This is perhaps a story for a blurb. As an alternative centred on the language extinction, see the nomination above.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:48, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Unclear if it's accurate as written. One anthropologist said, The younger generation know the language but not to the same degree that Cristina does,[3] Perhaps it's more nuanced, like she was the last full-blooded, fluent speaker—but that seems too narrow to blurb. RIP.—Bagumba (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: The Freedom Convoy has been nominated multiple times, being voted down each time (except for a pulled blurb). In these discussions, some have proposed an ongoing about protests over the pandemic. The main COVID article doesn't contain much about protests, and the section about it in the article only has a short few sentences and a link to the protest article. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the target article is not regularly updated (has almost no content from this month, ongoing demands it would need to be updated daily), one section is orange-tagged, and article lacks sources in places. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Comment: Career section is mostly WP:PROSELINE, and could use some organization and cleanup (e.g. is it important to have "In December 2019, Gamalama had a reunion with Sinta Nuriyah, the widow of former Indonesian president Abdurrahman Wahid" in that section, and how does that relate to her career?) Filmography is unreferenced. Occupation in infobox says that she was a "singer-songwriter" but career section has no information about her musical career. Rm "ready". SpencerT•C17:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose as per above. Also lots of links to DAB pages that it'd be good to fix (I fixed a few links, but the rest weren't obvious to me, as I have no subject knowledge and there were many films of the same name). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is probably better as a blurb as it appears to be damage and loss of life from the amount if rain over a short 3 hrs, not a prolonged period. Article needs expansion. --Masem (t) 19:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, oppose on quality In my eyes, the event is clearly notable enough for a blurb. Article is poor right now, in need of significant expansion; but a simple google search turns up a ton of quality English-language sources, so expanding the article should not be difficult. I'm busy at the moment, but I'll do it myself in a few days if someone else doesn't do it first. NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have tried to expand , it should be over 5k of readable prose now, but there's surprisingly little about this event in the news that gets into depth. It's covered (eg ticks that box for ITN) but just not the level you'd see if this had happened in the US or UK. --Masem (t) 19:05, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. and its NATO allies in Europe say that they are ready to retaliate against Russian cyberwarfare on Ukraine depending on the severity of the attacks. (Reuters)
Indonesia reports a record 57,049 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 4.9 million. (Kompas)
Japan reports a record 236 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. Meanwhile, the number of cumulative COVID-19 cases surpasses four million. (The Japan Times)
South Korea reports a record 57,177 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1.46 million. (The Korea Herald)
Vietnam lifts its COVID-19-related curbs on international passenger flights with no limitation on the number of flights in order to restore the travel to pre-pandemic level. (Al-Jazeera)
A number of protestors at Coutts have dispersed after an RCMP raid on a "smaller group within the larger protest" resulted in the seizure of weapons, ammunition, and body armour and the arrests of 13 people on Monday. (CTV News)
In Louisville, Kentucky, council candidate Quintez Brown is charged with attempted murder, a day after he allegedly opened fire on mayoral candidate Craig Greenberg in his campaign office, narrowly missing him. (AP via The Washington Post)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: influential German journalist, famous for tv controversies, correspondent from Washington, D.C. and London, biographer of Willy Brandt and others - and had no article until today Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Long enough (almost 500 words), with enough footnotes across the article, and properly formatting, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 07:55, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: He was arrested on a Supreme Court warrant only a few weeks after he left office. Don't know if this should be posted now or we should wait until he is convicted or extradited to the US? Viva Nicolás (talk) 03:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support A former head of state being arrested, especially on serious charges, seems important enough. Article seems well-referenced. The Kip (talk) 05:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. We usually wait for the final verdict and post if the person is convicted. At this point, we don't know how this is going to end, and it won't be significant if he's acquitted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose we don't post arrests, if in the future there is a conviction, then we could post that. But posting now violates WP:BLPCRIME: A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.Joseph2302 (talk) 09:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Per Simeonovski, Alsoriano, Joseph. Longstanding and well-founded policy for an online encyclopedia. Suggest snow. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
I've marked it as ready (as I agree it's ready)- hopefully marking it as ready will mean an admin sees it. It needs an admin to promote to front page, and I guess no admin is around at the moment. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
U.S. officials say that Russian troops, along with long-range artillery and missile launchers have begun moving into staging areas near the Ukrainian border after leaving their assembly areas. (CBS News)
Hong Kong reports a record 2,071 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the territory-wide total of confirmed cases to 25,051. (South China Morning Post)
Kuwait lifts many of its COVID-19-related restrictions, including allowing foreign travel for unvaccinated and vaccinated citizens and allowing the entry of unvaccinated people into shopping malls as long as they show a negative PCRCOVID-19 test from the previous 72 hours. (Al-Arabiya English)
The government of Canada invokes the Emergencies Act for the first time since the law was passed in 1988, thereby giving the federal government temporary powers to deal with ongoing blockades associated with the protests. (CBC News)
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Oppose yet again as covered by the Covid ongoing. Yes, evoking the Emergencies Act is unusual but this is to allow enforcement agencies to put an end to these without violent methods. --Masem (t) 17:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close this is the third time this has been nominated, and it's been rejected both other times (for a blurb and ongoing). Right now it's getting repetitive and disruptive to have it nominated again and again. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close x2 is not difficult to understand: days ago it was clear that it's a no, and today it's again clear that it is another no. Stop. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was also previously opposed as an ongoing, since many countries are having COVID protests, so why should we focus on just one country's protests? Joseph2302 (talk) 17:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If this wasn't about North America, it would have been closed as duplicate by now. But because Canada is next to the US, it's getting special privilege as the only thing allowed to be doscussed for a third time at ITN....... Joseph2302 (talk) 18:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And the article hasn't been updated properly about this, so also fails article quality. Though as this is a North American nom, I imagine that can be bypassed too.... Joseph2302 (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is different from the other times, the federal Emergencies Act has been invoked. We gave the Capitol Riots a blurb, why not this? Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 18:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support the invocation of the federal emergencies act, for the first time in Canadian history, changes my vote to a support. I had previously opposed because it was a "local" issue, but the federal government has now seized control of the response. The blockade of the border crossings and the discovery of the American funding of the protests also increases this from being a local issue to an international issue. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do not misrepresent, at no time neither I nor the rest of us who have opposed the repeated nominations in these protests (far from a "civil unrest", by the way) have done so using IDONTLIKEIT, but very clearly you do consider that our oppositions are not valid because "you do not like them". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When the municipal emergency was nommed, you said, "We will talk about it if it happens at the national level, but I don't think it will come to this end." As a provincial emergency, "Stop wasting our time." National level now, just "another no." InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The emergency is still reduced to a very specific provincial and local level, even though we are already at a national reaction level. We are not facing a "the whole country is besieged by truckers". In fact, let us not forget that it still has to be authorized by the Parliament. We are dealing with an "invocation", not "approval"/"application". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, you're being oblivious. This invocation of unprecedented power is said to precisely disable targets along the world's largest land border, spanning any and all confederated provinces. The NDP has already signaled parliamentary approval, and willful ignorance of the law holds no weight. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Declaring a state of emergency due to civil unrest (not due to a natural disaster) in a developed country is a significant and newsworthy event for ITN. STSC (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have an opinion on this entry and personally don't think that Wikipedia should be pretending to report the news at all, but responding to some of the points: this keeps coming back because it's the top news story basically everywhere across Canada and has been for several weeks. The invocation of the Emergencies Act is significant because the statute that it replaced was viewed retroactively by many scholars as a declaration of martial law, and the new statute is basically unchanged except for compelling an after-the-fact review of the government's actions. As others have said, it is only the second time in Canadian history that such a nationwide suspension of civil liberties has been activated, other than during both world wars. It's difficult and dangerous to draw parallels, but this action is somewhat equivalent to the US President unilaterally suspending the 2nd through 10th amendments to the Constitution. It doesn't mean that Trudeau Jr. is about to send in the tanks like his father did against the FLQ, but he now has the power to do so. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:36, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no expert in constitutional law, but basically yes. The police are basically only bound now by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which does not specifically prohibit quartering troops in citizens' houses. That prohibition comes from a British law that predates Canada by almost 200 years. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:39, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support When this was first nominated I certainly believed the article was not ready. Now that the emergencies act has been declared, the highest power the Canadian government can invoke, as well as the fact that the protests are no longer Provincial, and that weapons were seized at the blockade in Alberta and the considerable economic loss (almost $1B CAD), I believe the article is extremely notable. It might be difficult for US-centric editors here to fathom but this is officially a really really big deal and is definitely the Country’s January 6th moment. CaffeinAddict (talk) 19:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous. January 6th was considered by a large portion of the population (both at the time and still) as an attempted subversion or perhaps complete overthrow of a democracy. This hardly rises to that level. If it is "Canada's January 6th" than Canada's January 6th shouldn't be posted. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see an argument that DarkSide830 is making; you do not. He is saying that your comparison to January 6 is a false equivalency. January 6 was a movement by supporters of Donald Trump attempting to overthrow the government of the United States, and overturn an election. Freedom Convoy is a bunch of dudes in their trucks blocking a couple bridges. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Opposing this on the grounds that it's covered by COVID-19 Ongoing at this point is silly. It's become a singularly significant event in Canada that happens to have been inspired by COVID-19. We posted the UK "Marbury v Madison" [8] despite objections that it was covered by Brexit Ongoing. 2607:F470:E:22:2C01:FB8D:E209:78A9 (talk) 21:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Would it be possible to get the body of the article to properly contextualize the importance of invoking the Emergencies Act? The body of the target article doesn't mention or elaborate on the historical weight (i.e., that this is the first time it's been invoked since its passing in 1988), even though it states that in the lead without an inline source (there are sources in the article to support it, they're just not attached to the statement in the lead or any such statement in the body). I'm leaning support this time, but I feel like the article should first contextualize why invoking this is historically of weight, which I feel like should also be mentioned in the blurb if possible? This is generally a "pending some better updates". ~Cheers, TenTonParasol22:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They're four separate events, from four nominators, related to an ongoing movement. Some older votes were just waiting for something federal, unusual or "really dramatic" like this one. Acceptance trumps prejudice? InedibleHulk (talk) 23:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As Trudeau stated this was to be a very narrow and tailored application of the E Act as to remove to blockage of roads, this isn't the big bombshell of martial law that some were expecting (or as some conservative news commentators are claiming). It could still go that way, but as noted above trying to compare this to Jan 6 is a huge misstep. --Masem (t) 00:05, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I compared it to the pandemic in the relevant country, brother. There are levels to emergency here, and this one "goes to eleven", one more. Those few hours in Washington do pale in comparison, even as an alleged insurrection, everything just seems brighter and bigger on American screens. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose with prejudice. I don't see why the Canadian protests are particularly notable compared those taking place in other countries around the world. I would be more open to (but would not necessarily support) an ongoing nomination for Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic. Furthermore, I agree with Ad Orientem, with four nominations in the past couple of weeks, this is now beyond ridiculous. Chrisclear (talk) 00:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well then perhaps you'll be able to identify in advance the fifth unique person who finds these unprecedented events in Canada newsworthy and warn them ahead of time to not upset your sensibilities. Furthermore, objecting without considering the new information and instead simply stating "I opposed this already" is basically worthless. if you think the first ever invocation of the Emergencies Act in Canada, a NATO member G7 country, is not significant, then please explain otherwise your oppose would be rightly ignored as WP:IDONTLIKEIT by any admin evaluating consensus. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The first ever invocation of the Emergencies Act in Canada" is notable in Canada and is notable as a factoid. However, just because Canada did something for the first time doesn't mean it's ITN worthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We posted Justin Trudeau's election and reelection. That's a fun bit of man-on-the-street gotcha trivia: "Name the current Canadian Prime Minister." If this once-in-a-lifetime historic event doesn't make it, I better not see another typical quiet election night result overblown on the main page again! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My point was just because something was done for the first time doesn't make it ITN level. How does countering with a routine event disprove my point? DarkSide830 (talk) 02:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm saying brand new, manner of government changes in the English world are more newsworthy than routine changes in House seating arrangements. We post the latter, so should definitely post the former. And I forgot to include his 2019 reelection. Remember how it gripped the world? I doubt it. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning Oppose. WP:VNT has tainted this event and it's corresponding article, and highlighting it in my mind goes against the premise of In the News to highlight the best of the encyclopedia, with absolutely no offense intended towards the editors who have kept this article in great shape. - Floydianτ¢
Strong oppose - 4th time here. I don't really need to say much when I've already loaded my reasons for the previous 3 nominations. Unless something dramatic occurs, I don't think it needs an ITN. Cheers, PenangLion (talk) 03:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly does something dramatic look like to you? Fire? Upturned cruisers? Blood and gore? Tanks? Tearful resignation speech? Broken storefronts? British children's choir? Black helicopters? Suicide bombing? Monsters? Your last three votes have been nothing but acknowledgment of opposition to mentioning the convoy's small beginning (by four people, not including you). That's not heavy/strong/loaded, say more. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Does the protest really differ from any other typical COVID-19 related protests? People are arrested, they're retreating, I repeat the word, retreating. When Trudeau evacuated for safety reasons, people were hyping up like Canada is collapsing. When Trudeau declared "some emergency-powers" people here are panicking like Trudeau is going to start another Tiananmen at Canada.
Let alone there are similar protests in New Zealand. My previous three votes are done without clear elaboration (I sincerely apologize if I did not post a 5 million-word article for my reason) because I don't think I need to elaborate further that my opinions shared the same points made by the people who opposed it. Even if it's important enough, the most critical part of this event is over.
- The comparison regarding January 6 and this event being similar doesn't make sense when one, this protest was made by only a small proportion of people that most Canadians don't even agree with, two, January 6 was the first time in history that people had breached the grounds close to the Capitol. It is considered a coup d'etat, something that hasn't been seen seriously since 1797. Is this a coup? No. Is this going to threaten democracy in Canada? No. It is about some angry people refusing to take vaccines. Using the American bias doesn't make any sense when there are comparable incidents from the States related to this event yet they're not in ITN.
I sincerely hope nobody nominates this again for the 5th time. It's becoming a recurring joke for desperate nominations. Per Ad Orientem. PenangLion (talk) 09:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The protests are perhaps not that different from other COVID-19 ones but further developments and the enactment of a wartime act do indicate notability beyond COVID. The already present link in Ongoing to the pandemic might have sufficed but it doesn't even mention this protest (or others) in the linked [main] article. This seems akin to the Kazakhstan protests to me and a blurb or ongoing would seem apt. Gotitbro (talk) 12:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Support looks about long enough, well sourced (checked CricketArchive sources and they verify the content) and covers most of the known information about him. Maybe there's more content in offline/pre-Internet/non-English sources, but article looks good enough for RD in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A little short at 2112 characters (356 words of readable prose), but long enough to qualify. No concerns with footnoting (except for the paywall) and formatting. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 08:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Canada withdraws its military advisors from Ukraine and relocates them to an undisclosed destination in Europe. It moves its diplomatic staff to Lviv, suspending all operations at its embassy in Kyiv. (Reuters)
South Korea reports a record of 56,431 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1.35 million. (Manila Bulletin)
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Support more than good enough for RD, red links aren't a valid reason for stopping this running (contrary to the user that clearly doesn't know the ITNC rules). Marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Partial Support Article is well sourced, however the dead links need to be removed and the "Personal Life and Death" section should be expanded. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 20:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support The subject's death should be reported in the mainstream press/media. One or more better sources would be helpful. And I concur with Hcoder3104 that his personal life section could be expanded. Otherwise, the article appears to be short but adequate and acceptably referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Question: The intro states that in 2019, he was appointed Welsh Language Commissioner. However, the rest of the wikibio does not mention anything he did after the 2016 election -- the following sentence was about his death in 2022. So what happened after 2016? What did he do as Language Commissioner? Did he die in office as Language Commissioner? Coverage of the subject's life appears to be truncated and incomplete. Perhaps that final sentence of the intro should be moved down to become the final sentence of a Career section, unless more about his time working as Language Commissioner can be elaborated. --PFHLai (talk) 05:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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This is the type of RD that would draw a blurb by popularity but I fully agree that Reitman is not the type of transformative figure in Hollywood to merit a blurb. He was beloved and a name behind several recognizable names but that's mostly it. --Masem (t) 04:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is way undersourced- article quality is the only criteria for RD. Also, what's the relevance of the table in "Recurring cast members" section? It lists roles played by many people, not just him, which aren't relevant to a biographical article. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
This proposal would be better without that comment. It's an ITNR event, so will be posted without people having to hype it up, as soon as article quality is up to scratch. Claiming it to be "one of the largest sporting events in the world" is highly debatable, and one of the reasons we have ITNR. HiLo48 (talk) 05:05, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seems like we're inconsistent through the years on whether the blurb provides a Roman numeral lesson or not. For annual events, we typically don't repeat the year of the event.—Bagumba (talk) 04:29, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRIMARY policy is not a "minor quibble" (emphasis added): Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them It's a monotonous wall of play-by-play, which a secondary source is more reliable to use to determine the WP:DUE highlights.—Bagumba (talk) 12:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A secondary source covering the game is not going to be at the level of detail that a quarter-by-quarter recap of the game would seem to require - that would likely focus on 3-4 major plays throughout the game and the overall end stats, but not individual drives or the like. Comparing the prose length to past Super Bowls as well as to FIFA World Cup final games, it is perhaps about 25% a bit too long, but no different from how those games are presented or how sources are used in terms of primary recaps being used as the main sourcing. And at least my read of the ESPN recap is that they are adding some analysis indicating which drives were important, so this pulls it to a secondary source in that regards. --Masem (t) 13:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. I am going to review that section again carefully and I also see at least one naked URL references that need to be fixed. When I'm done I might remove the maintenance tag. JehochmanTalk13:25, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Besides the poor referencing of the game summary, there's nothing about the post-game reactions and ceremonies. The article has some way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think it's an important event, like other sports championships that are featured in the news on the home page. However, let's wait a while to, per Kiril Simeonovski, expand the page with other things like reactions and all that stuff. For now, we should not feature it yet. BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 16:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I had nothing to do with writing up the game summary, but I can replace those refs with better ones this afternoon. "Post-game reactions and ceremonies"? There's a parade today. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support the article is fine. Post-game reacons? Single source match summary? Neither of those made up criteria kept the 2021_Africa_Cup_of_Nations_Finalnom off the main page. I've never heard of anyone complain about "too much prose" before. We get it, everyone else in the world hates America and hates what America calls "football". Too god damned bad. The item is ITN/R and the article is in fine shape for posting. Get it up there already. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I did think about that after posting my above comment. Seems like the goal posts (pun intended) are always moving on these. It used to be a game summary is all that's needed, but now it's "post-game reactions and ceremonies"? Why exactly is the ESPN.com play-by-play not a valid source for the game's play-by-play? This article has 29kb prose. It should be enough to post for ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@LaserLegs: I don’t have animosity towards US or the sport which is called “football” there. The reason for suggesting that information on the post-game reactions and ceremonies should be added is the heed that US media pay to it. If something is really in the news, it should be mentioned in the article at the very least. And comparing this to the recently concluded Africa Cup of Nations isn’t spot on because media weren’t that much interested about post-game reactions. Since you referred to the sport we call “football”, please check 2018 FIFA World Cup Final for how a post-game section can fit well.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The event is on WP:ITN/R and there are no orange warnings. Policy-wise, there is no requirement for "post game reactions and ceremonies" as LaserLegs has pointed out. And a game summary that is "too long" is not a justification to delay posting. -- Fuzheado | Talk17:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They can, but only in a limited manner; the section is almost entirely sourced to primary sources. There are also several citation needed tags that need to be resolved before this can be posted. BilledMammal (talk) 17:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The section with primary sourcing is the game summary. It covers what happened on the field, which millions of people were watching, without any scholarly or professional-level analysis of what happened. And yes, there are four (4) citation needed tags, for minor points, and on an article with 151 unique inline citations. Perfection should never be the enemy of the good. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:58, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like a primary source to me. It's published by ESPN, which is independent of the Super Bowl organizers. Just because it's a play-by-play guide doesn't mean it lacks the hallmarks of an independent source, and it is commonplace to include such things for the detail of what happened, for example as at 2015 Africa Cup of Nations Final. This is especially true when it's fairly bald statements of fact about what happened. Obviously it would be better to draw the summary from more than one source, and I might insist on that for GA or FA, but I don't see it as necessary for the ITN standard. — Amakuru (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am not suggesting pulling this, I just am surprised at how quickly it was posted, especially when there was apparent legitimate quality questions - and compared to how quickly the Club World Cup nom was closed to discussion, even though some opposes there amount to nothing more than the fallacious "it isn't ITN/R so we can't post". Kingsif (talk) 18:18, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Half the time, items don't even get nominated in that timeframe, but besides that, I very much recall many objections to posting less than ~30 hours after nom (let alone event), especially the "it was posted while America was asleep because the admin knew Americans would oppose" accusations. As said below, a TROUT offence, since we all know it would have eventually (and probably very quickly compared to other items anyway) been posted. Kingsif (talk) 13:53, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support - I've always felt that Fuzheado had an itchy trigger finger when it came to ITN posting, but in this case, the article is good enough for volunteer work.--WaltCip-(talk)18:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment these ITN articles should be timely. It would be actively harmful to our readers to tie this article up in bureaucratic objections for days and days until it's no longer of interest to the reader. As said above, "Good enough." There is nothing even slightly inaccurate in the article as far as I see, but if you see something inaccurate, please point it out specifically and somebody will fix it right away. JehochmanTalk18:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh, not againUser:Fuzheado has a history of making bad calls at ITN and they really need to stop doing this before they get a topic ban from doing so, which frankly I would impose right now. There was no consensus to post this and there is no rush to do so - why not wait until it's fixed? Black Kite (talk)18:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which is why I haven't suggested pulling it. We really need Fuzheado to stop fucking about with ITN, though. They posted SuperBowl 54 without any consensus either [9] as well as the significant number of other issues. [10][11][12] etc. Black Kite (talk)18:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your recollection appears to be off. For SuperBowl 54, it was marked as ready by Muboshgu after noting all CN tags were addressed, with pings to the opposers. [13]Pawnkingthree added an additional support. [14] I posted it, and it was immediately post-posting supported by TRM [15]. This is not "without any consensus." - Fuzheado | Talk19:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that the posting was somewhat premature, in that there were clear outstanding opposes and orange tags for missing citations, it was almost there at the time because the article is became "ready" about half an hour after it was posted. As such, I would award a mild WP:TROUT to Fuzheado but nothing more than that in this instance. — Amakuru (talk) 20:01, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And numerous editors have disagreed. 1300 words sourced to a single primary source is a clear violation of WP:PRIMARY, particularly since there are secondary sources that we can integrate into the article. BilledMammal (talk) 20:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given that we allow up to 700 words to be used in summarizing plots of films using the film itself as a source without any problem, using this many words from a third party source is absolutely no way a PROMARY violation as long as no interpretation is done (eg such as suggesting one team dominated the whole game and the other team only scored on a few lucky drives). --Masem (t) 20:28, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, when it comes to ITN, there kind of is a rush. How stupid would it look if we posted the results of a major sporting event two or three days later? It's not even actually "in the news" anymore at that point. Mlb96 (talk) 21:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Noting the reinstatement of this unsourced paragraph, meaning that we another citation needed issue, in addition to the ones in the international media coverage section, as well as primary sourcing issues. BilledMammal (talk) 18:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's already been fixed. Several of us agree with you on this specific issue. If that text is restored again, please report it as edit warring or tendentious editing. JehochmanTalk20:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. I think this is alright. Agree with Amakuru in that a WP:TROUT might be in order. That said, I am not really following this WP:PRIMARY argument. In my mind match summaries are like book summaries, right? i.e. MOS:PLOT. Though I can see the Fiction vs Non-fiction argument, the game itself is the source for the summary. I see that that is the same thing that has been done in Super Bowl LV. Where there are additional facts being introduced outside of the match summary e.g. Out of 110 Super Bowl teams, Kansas City became just the third to finish the game without scoring a touchdown, joining the Miami Dolphins in Super Bowl VI and the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl LIII. This statement is sourced to a separate source, like it should. I think overall, we are a-ok here. Ktin (talk) 23:32, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My main objection per WP:PRIMARY was be cautious about basing large passages on them. The earlier SB page that you mentioned had more than play-by-play refs. At some point, maybe I'll add some secondary sources and use their analysis to trim some minutiae.—Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose on article quality. Referencing is quite poor and will require considerable work before this could be posted. Weak Support if the bolded article can be brought up to scratch. The presidency in Germany is not a completely powerless and ceremonial office. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:38, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality article is way too short, needs e.g. some text on the candidates who were most likely to do well, and maybe something on their policies. Results is unsourced, and generally we have some coverage of what happens after the election. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait – This seems a routine if humdrum (no pol. change) head-of-state post, but the text of the 2022 German presidential election article hasn't been updated yet. The fact that Steinmeier, 66, has secured a second five-year term is worth noting. (Mug should be cropped from bottom & sides.) – Sca (talk) 13:17, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. That Italy thing was a mistake, and did not set a precedent. We don't post positions that aren't the head of government unless they have significant power in their own right. — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't Russia the most populous country in Europe? The continent, spanning to the Urals, is not the EU, in which Germany certainly is the most populous. 91.96.25.198 (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would think Sca was referring to the fact that Germany is the most populous country that is fully within Europe. Had he not, you would think he would know better than to categorize Germany as the most populous (Turkey and Russia are more populous despite the fact that they both have a minority of their land in Europe. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Seventy-seven percent of Russia's 6.6 million sq. mi.. of territory is in Asia, 23 percent in Europe. (Russia's population distribution is approximately the opposite.) The proportion of Turkey's territory in Europe is miniscule (or minuscule, if you prefer). – Sca (talk) 15:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And also monarchies aren't really comparable to this because they have cultural and historical significance, and typically change hands far less frequently than heads-of-state in countries with a parliament style democracy. In either case they are not ITN/R, and are assessed on their own merits. IMHO the merits of this one are lacking, and the position has no real significance beyond some domestic ceremonial duties. Furthermore, the suggestion that we do it because it's Germany, while we wouldn't do the same thing for supposedly "less important" countries is systemic bias. — Amakuru (talk) 14:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – In addition to its population, Germany's GDP ($4.6 trillion) ranks first in Europe and the EU, ahead of the UK ($3.4 trillion) and France ($3.1 trillion). – Sca (talk) 15:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The only thing that makes it slightly more noteworthy to me is that this is 'only' the 4th time a President has been elected for a second term, first time for someone of the social democrats. If it were the first woman elected to the office, it probably would have swayed me though. But the position overall being entirely ceremonial, i don't see this as important enough to post. It will have no effect on anything, within Germany or internationally. The assembly could quite literally elect a sack of rice and it would have the same effect, not to disparage the highest office within one of my home countries. The sack of rice would only need some arms to pin medals and be the final signatory of laws they have no veto power over. Just to illustrate the point. 91.96.25.198 (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The registered user above is assuming bad faith for no reason and has no understanding how variable IP adresses work. I have zero contributions every day because my IP changes. 91.96.25.198 (talk) 15:31, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be treated like a human being by the likes of you? No thank you. And just to make clear, the IP does not change by my choice, just how my ISP operates. I could also note how you have made 394 edits in 2022, only 10 of which to articles and only one to an article talk page. Or maybe we could both stop irrelevant mudslinging and assuming bad faith, get over our dislike and get back to the matter at hand? 91.96.25.198 (talk) 15:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They have no obligation to create an account. And claiming NPA when you've called them useless/inexperienced for being an IP is somewhat hypocritical. Especially when all you seem to do is make sarcastic/pointless comments on here. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:35, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Casting unfounded aspersions is very much a personal attack as well. I am not sure if you are aware of the edit count tool, but for someone with that kind of a statiscitc, criticism of others seems a bit rich. And in regards to your posting at ITN, quantifiable evidence does suggest you are doing what Joseph suggests you are doing and i am not sure you want people to look through your contributions in more detail to actually show it in diffs. Folks like you are the exact reason why i do not want to make an account. But rest assured, you are far from the only one to conduct themselves in such a manner. (ec) 91.96.162.242 (talk) 03:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've never said any IP user had an "obligation to create an account." I only suggested that the person at issue "consider registering as a user." No aspersions intended; just a suggestion. Adieu. – Sca (talk) 13:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then let us put it off to a misunderstanding. And i personally took no offense at your suggestion to make an account. My issue was you insinuating i was an SPA and my entire purpose of being here was somehow nefarious(i actually voted for Steinmeiers party with my 2nd vote in the last general election, not that it matters), which is usually the implication of being an SPA, no? But if you did not mean to say that, i will take your word for it. If you would allow a suggestion, please be more 'diplomatic' about how you phrase things in future to minimise the chance for misunderstandings. Have a good day anyway. 91.96.162.242 (talk) 16:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ceremonial position elected by a legislative body. Minimal impact to german society. No reason to repeat the mistake of the Italian president. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Upon reflection, I concede it's time to lay this one to rest, since this event doesn't pose changes for the German political landscape. And it's starting to get stale. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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PresidentRecep Tayyip Erdoğan announces that the value-added tax (VAT) will be lowered from 8% to 1% on dairy products, fruit, vegetables, and other basic foods. The VAT reduction, aimed at countering soaring inflation, will go into effect on Monday. (Daily Sabah)
Bahraini authorities confirm that an Israeli military officer will be stationed inside the country as part of an upcoming international coalition consisting of 34 countries. This is the first time an Israeli officer has been sent to a military post in the Arab World. (Reuters)
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There is a request for citation regarding the subject's involvement in the Alice Walker Literary Society. And three refs are marked as deadlinks. --PFHLai (talk) 07:14, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
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Oppose. This may sound like a big deal, but the reality is that the world pays little attention to this, and it has none of the prestige of its feeder competitions such as the Champions League or the Copa Libertadores. — Amakuru (talk) 09:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Adding oppose. There are already many football ITN items and this one is not receiving as much attention as the others. --Tone10:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The two finalists are from UEFA Champions League and Copa Libertadores which are listed in the ITNR. That makes this year Club World Cup Final a particularly significant event. STSC (talk) 12:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The fact that the UK sports press were giving more attention to the week's regular season games than this, should suggest it isn't much more than a friendly with a FIFA bauble for the winners. Black Kite (talk)13:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
More than long enough (900+ words), with enough footnotes (AGF'd non-English sources), and with no formatting issues, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 00:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: This was posted (and pulled) a few days ago. As some of the opposition was related to the specific blurb, I am re-nominating this as purely ongoing. Like the Ukraine story, there is no blurb that I support as nominator, but it is certainly "in the news" internationally now. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 01:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think enough has changed for us to be able to find a consensus here, and, per Masem, this is basically covered in ongoing already. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, there are several other such convoys across the globe, but while there are others, they are all relatively small scale events of people with fringe views. --Masem (t) 01:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair to the so-called Lunatic Fringe, though, most everyone in Canada would have agreed (and still agree we would have once) that the government shouldn't do anything the protestors still agree it shouldn't do to us, up past SARS and only until not even two years ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Conceding that consensus can change, I am not a big fan of "the voting shall continue until the correct result is obtained." Very little has changed of a really material nature in this story. I supported the earlier nomination, but I think it's time to accept that absent some really dramatic development, consensus to post is unlikely to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:48, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It continues to amaze me that ITN/C lives in some kind of an alternate relation from the rest of the world. The story has already had a major international impact, including on the auto production in the U.S., and spurring similar trucking protests in other countries, including in Europe. Nsk92 (talk) 07:04, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we shouldn't be giving special treatment to this just because it's in North America. Many countries are having COVID vaccine related protests, so either post the general article about COVID protests, or nothing at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: "Ongoing" nomination. It's not clear to me how much of this being in the news is Western propaganda, but it is undeniably in the news. Unless there is an actual invasion, I don't see any blurb I would be willing to support, hence the nom is for ongoing. The article looks good enough. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support; has been extremely prominent in the news for an extended period of time, and even if there is no invasion will impact relations between Russia and the rest of the world for decades. However, the previous discussion should be closed before we open a new one. BilledMammal (talk) 00:21, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, that discussion need not be closed. An ITNC discussion from 3 weeks ago that has been archived for two weeks is implicitly closed as "no consensus". User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed your pointless close request. ITNC items that are more than a week old are archived. Archives are not edited further. Stephen05:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Neutral Nothing has changed since the last discussion. Some say war is imminent. Some think not. Audituri autem estis proelia et opiniones proeliorum videte ne turbemini oportet enim haec fieri sed nondum est finis.. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:37, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Extremely strong oppose - Most likely will just fade away over time as the international dick rattlers find another game to play. HiLo48 (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Despite my involvement in the editing of this article, despite the fact that war is "imminent", I'm not going to support this issue as the critical crises of the incident has generally been over by now. Leaked documents from late January indicated that both sides (Russia and NATO) has not been serious in a military conflict. Given with the circumstances, unless a massive escalation occurs, I'm opposing this nomination. PenangLion (talk) 03:19, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait This clearly could be big, but right now its a lot of preparations for combat and political saber rattling without any actual open hostilities. But should something happen, I fully expect this to either have a story to blurb or drop into ongoing (pending article quality), this is clearly the type of story that would have the type of enduring world effects. --Masem (t) 05:17, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why does an international crisis require actual military hostilities to be ITN worthy? Plenty of things have happened already, including UN Security Council meetings, major troop deployments by Russia around Ukraine, U.S. moving some extra troops to Europe, U.S. ordering all its citizens out of Ukraine, and so on. It's simply insane, I repeat, completely insane, that while all major news sources in all counties around the world are covering this crisis as a major story, ITN still pretends that nothing is happening. Nsk92 (talk) 07:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ITN doesn't pretend things aren't happening by omitting them from Ongoing. Everything except the pandemic is excluded. What sets this real situation apart from every other widely-covered arc? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. It's not that it "could be big", it is already is a huge story and has been so for several months. That's exactly what ITN Ongoing is for. Nsk92 (talk) 06:59, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Meets the criteria for ongoing events: newsworthy and updated. No need to wait; later "World War III" may become an ongoing event. STSC (talk) 10:57, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This turned into a very bizarre game of successive allegations and denials about imminent invasion while nothing has really happened for four months. If we're really nearing an invasion as reported in the media, then let's wait for it to happen and post it then. I don't think we should add a warning about something which may never happen.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's been subject to ongoing discussion and constant media attention for weeks; its certainly a lot more widely commented on than many of the natural disasters and sporting events that get covered on ITN.--Llewee (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Nothing has changed since the last nom, and if the community did not see fit to post it at that time, there is no indication that consensus will have changed here.--WaltCip-(talk)14:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support - not our place to interpret whether this is legitimate potential invasion or a political pissing match, nor to peer into our crystal ball to determine whether or not this will turn to war or have long-lasting geopolitical consequences. This is a global news story and has been for over a month. By simply placing this into ongoing, we can also avoid the need to state the highly fluid current situation on the ticker. - Floydianτ¢15:35, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support because the crisis in itself has had far-reaching implications for the security architecture of the world, already. That makes it a highly significant ongoing crisis regardless of whether the final outcome is an outright war or not. Yakikaki (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support A prolonged crisis that has received plenty of attention from RS and world leaders, and is already notable regardless of whether an invasion is pending. Definitely among the most important stories of the year. Davey2116 (talk) 18:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Like last time, more anti-Russia hype anticipating future world war. We're not an allied outlet in this campaign. As of now, just another tense border situation. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Lead says it "generated concerns over a potential invasion". Would you like to be cast as a potential invader? By media friendly to the coalition heavily arming and militarily reinforcing your unfriendly neighbour, under the auspices of "defense"? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, but there are plenty of sources saying Russia "could be" preparing to invade Ukraine in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, etc, and they never did. Banedon (talk) 23:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are also sources from those years saying Russia "could be" to blame for American democracy, "could be" behind Eurozone cyberattacks, "could be" punished for punitive polonium poisonings. Others, more sympathetic, see how Russia "could be" seeing the troop and missile battery buildup just outside its backyard as something it might want to think about claiming self-defence over. And the article is clear that it has. Ukraine isn't worth amassing about. But NATO is quite intimidating, even to cold hard Russians, deep down. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Constant, escalating, and prolonged developments about the impending possibility of war between two European countries 93 (talk) 19:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, has been the top international story for a few days. It also doesn't matter if this amounts to nothing, it's in the news now, and can just be removed later if that's the case. NixinovaTC19:49, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - Surprised this isn't up there already. The news is hardly talking about anything else, and it is certainly the world's current foremost political crisis across Europe and North America. Continues to be an ongoing standoff. BlackholeWA (talk) 02:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. There's consensus that this is an ongoing high-priority international news topic that warrants posting, whether or not war breaks out. The "failed verification" tags have been addressed as of the posting. Sandstein 08:34, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's In The News, not In The Things That Will Happen. Headlines in at least English language media for multiple times past few weeks. Would be weird to not at least put it there. Juxlos (talk) 14:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support – Continues to lead almost every prime RS site, with some offering multiple articles. Today's examples include AP, BBC. The looming question: What's Putin's game? – Sca (talk) 14:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
War is now imminent. See here: "Satellite imagery obtained by CNN shows that a large base at Yelnya, which held Russian tanks, artillery and other armor, has been largely emptied, with the equipment apparently being moved much closer to the frontier in recent days.
Large amounts of weaponry were moved to the base late in 2021 before disappearing -- including some 700 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and ballistic missile launchers. Social media videos since show some of that equipment on trains and roads much further south in the Bryansk region, which is close to Ukraine."
"Meanwhile, heightened activity in the Kursk and Belgorod Oblasts, which border northeastern Ukraine, has added to concerns. "We are seeing a massive influx of vehicles and personnel in Kursk," Konrad Muzyka, an expert in tracking military movements with Rochan Consulting, warned on Twitter." Count Iblis (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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