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77th Tony Awards
Blurb: In the Tony Awards, Stereophonic takes home the most wins including Best Play, while The Outsiders wins Best Musical. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Malvoliox (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jasonbres (talk · give credit), Lonniemitchell22 (talk · give credit), Darb02 (talk · give credit), Blueflash4 (talk · give credit) and Cedarholm (talk · give credit)
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Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture? ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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2024 US Open (golf)
Blurb: In golf, Bryson DeChambeau wins the U.S. Open. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Jessintime (talk · give credit)
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The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 24 Hours of Le Mans
Blurb: In motorsport, Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: In motorsport, the Ferrari AF Corse crew of Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured).
News source(s): Autosport
Credits:
- Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Article needs some work. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs a load more prose rather than just tables. Like a long race summary, and also some qualifying summary too. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
June 15
June 15, 2024
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RD: Mike Brumley (infielder)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by OGBC1992 (talk · give credit), jkaharper (talk · give credit) and 2600:1700:33b0:7840:502a:dcd3:7229:9a52 (talk · give credit)
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American professional baseball utility player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment shouldn't the disambiguation be on year of birth rather than baseball primary position? Strange disambiguation choice. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jadallah Azzuz at-Talhi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Alwasat Libya, Ean Libya, Twitter post from official account of Abdul Hamid Dbeibeh (PM of Libya)
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by RapidsLurker15 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Two time PM of Libya under Gaddafi. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Two-time Secretary-General of the General People's Committee, technically. At first, I thought it looked too stubby, but then I saw Hughes, Dusek and Abu Maraheel's short stories. He was 85. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Pressler (politician)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:
- Nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2600:1700:28a0:b3a8:2914:2285:464b:2e4d (talk · give credit) and Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
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He died on the 7th but his death was announced on the 15th. Article almost ready in terms of citations, however, I've found a couple spots where they're lacking (some information can be deleted and re-added once a citation is found). ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: James Kent (chef)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, People, ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033 (talk · give credit)
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American chef. 240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033 (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) English Whisky Guild
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Blurb: English whisky Guild releases first annual report (Post)
News source(s): Herald Scotland, Northant Telegraph, Whisky Magazine
- @ChefBear01: I added the Template:ITN candidate for you that is used to nominate stories here. Please propose a blurb though otherwise it will be hard to asses what the story is. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abcmaxx: Thank you I have added a blurb that should clarify the story more precisely.ChefBear01 (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 111#(Closed) Proposal to add English whisky (Jan 1), no event for this organisation meets WP:ITNSIGNIF (a company posting its annual report isn't ITN worthy). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302:, It is not just the release of a report but the the first report published by the organisation which is significant as up to that point there were no previous in depth reports by an organisation that covered the topic in this report. ChefBear01 (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 Kasai River disaster
Blurb: A ship capsizes in the Kasai River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, killing over 80 people. (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Over 80 people have died when an overloaded ship has sunk in Congo. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Needs some cleanup, and it should be a blurb, not ongoing. Regarding notability, we posted Sinking of the Zico but did not post 2024 Bangui river disaster, so I'm not sure. Sadly, those tragic incidents seem all too commonplace... Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't really have in mind the "third-world country" aspect of it, but it's true that where it happened shouldn't matter for notability, especially since we just posted 2024 Mangaf building fire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly even now the Bangui article is well below par for quality and length for posting. That was why it wasn't posted, so we shouldn't judge it that way. This article still needs more content before it meets the quality aspects we expect. — Masem (t) 15:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good point, in this case I would support on notability, provided the article is expanded enough. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Kwara boat disaster was also posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I would support the story for notability, but the article is too short and in need of cleanup to meet quality and updated content standards. To quote the updated content standards, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have expended the stub a bit and aded info about 21 children. Would the size suffice in your opinion? Thanks! With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support now, it seems rather suitable in scale to me? Start-class rather than a stub.2601:445:600:4C80:E1A5:FB7C:658C:937F (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2024
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Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:
- Nominated by Duke of New Gwynedd (talk · give credit)
- Comment I do not believe we have posted the Euros to Ongoing before (I checked 2016 and 2021 and they were both proposed but rejected). If I remember correctly the only sporting events that are posted to Ongoing are the Olympics and the (football) World Cup. Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree here... Olympics and World Cup have wide international exposure as one of the reasons for these in ongoing. While this event is multinational, I don't think we should use ongoing for it. — Masem (t) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, major soccer event. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No need for ongoing, we don't usually add that for sporting events and would be a slippery slope. We'll post the final result when it occurs and that's fine. — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We can post the World Cup, but not the continental-level competitions, and doing this only for Europe would be more systemic bias. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per precedent. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose World level tournament for Ongoing. Result only for Continental. -- KTC (talk) 19:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I tend to agree with the argument that this is only a continental tournament, but arguing that there’s a precedent not to post this or that it’d create systemic bias doesn’t hold. All that was broken when we posted the 2014 Commonwealth Games to ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We'll post once the tournament is concluded. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose post results when done Ion.want.uu (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Kevin Campbell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Seasider53 (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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English footballer, played for Arsenal and Everton (amongst others). Article needs a bit of referencing. I think this is good enough now. Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fine and ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Matija Sarkic
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CallOfPavle (talk · give credit), TheVlogger110 (talk · give credit), Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit) and Bored0stiff (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Montenegran footballer. Article is reasonably well sourced but needs tidying up. Black Kite (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: the article should be good to go. Terrible news, by the way... Oltrepier (talk) 11:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted - — Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Sreedharan Champad
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mathrubhumi (India)
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ajeeshkumar4u (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Indian malayalam language author and historian. Ktin (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: George Nethercutt
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KremThe Spokesman-Review.
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- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
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American lawyer, author, and politician, very notable for defeating U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley in 1994.Needs a bit more work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Guy Warren (artist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SMH
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Needs a bit more work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 South African presidential election
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Blurb: In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president, forming a government of national unity with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president via a coalition with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw55w4z3gqeo
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)
- Support, finally, south africa can be free from ANC Tyranny! Lukt64 (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:POV, but yeah it's a big moment for SA. ANC are still in power though, just have to share it on a largely equal basis with their main rival. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the historic election results is already posted recently this is just a update. Shadow4dark (talk) 17:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Altblurb 1 suggested Rephrasing to replace the buzzword "government of national unity". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Better word would be 'coalition' as the ANC and DA are jointly ruling the country now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Changed "with the support of" to "via a coalition with". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Better word would be 'coalition' as the ANC and DA are jointly ruling the country now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - we already posted the election. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- We posted the 2023 re-election of Pedro Sánchez to ITN, however. Which you also opposed, I know. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- that was an exceptional case, as Sánchez managed to be re-elected prime minister after a controversial pact for a controversial amnesty law for those persecuted during the 2017 constitutional crisis, this being the main issue. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- We posted the 2023 re-election of Pedro Sánchez to ITN, however. Which you also opposed, I know. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. The election was already posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The target article is a woeful stub. Schwede66 03:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose election was already posted. Scu ba (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Angela Bofill
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard Deadline
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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American singer-songwriter.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several paragraphs need sources, as does the Discography section. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Laurence Gluck
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Commercial Observer
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Kelisi (talk · give credit)
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American real estate investor and landlord.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Mangaf fire
Blurb: At least 50 people have died after a fire broke out in a residential building in Kuwait City's suburb of Mangaf. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, France 24
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chomik1129 (talk · give credit)
Ainty Painty (talk) 06:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The death toll is on par with other natural and anthropogenic disasters that we typically post. Also since many of the victims were Indian, the fire has more international significance. Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the page has been moved. The new title "Kuwait Mangaf" strikes me as analogous to "Germany Bavaria" or "Canada Quebec". Though I guess that's a discussion for another page. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support High death toll with significant coverage and a rare occurrence in the area. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support High death toll and article appears to be in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted after I tweaked and updated the blurb. Schwede66 05:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: William H. Donaldson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by RandomUserGuy1738 (talk · give credit), OnceaMetro (talk · give credit) and Johnpacklambert (talk · give credit)
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Former SEC chair. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Almost ready but the Yale School of Management claim is uncited, and doesn't seem to be corroborated by the school's article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I went through and cited the SOM info as best as I could. It seems like a lot of it is derived from a speech, so I worry about credibility. Also from a cursory look, there is a ton of info out there that needs to be added to this bio/article. Does not even mention his work as Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs in the body prose. Wish I had the time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mike Downey (columnist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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American newspaper columnist needs expansion.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support As an updater. Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Almost ready I've placed two "citation needed" tags. Schwede66 03:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support CN tags looked fixed. Looks pretty good. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: updated tag from almost ready to ready. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Majed Abu Maraheel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Felesteen
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Generalissima (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Arconning (talk · give credit) and EpicAdventurer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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First Palestinian Olympian and flag-bearer. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is already at GA status, looks good to post as is. Waluigithewalrus (talk) 16:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Neil Goldschmidt
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oregon Live
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
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- Support Article quality looks fine. Blegh. Davey2116 (talk) 11:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 03:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Robert Hughes (basketball)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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American high school basketball coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Howard Fineman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Carlstak (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American journalist and television commentator.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support-ish looks ok, but some of the sources rely on information likely provided by the individual to organizations (introductions to speakers) and do not represent independent sourcing. However, I will still support. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I agree with Classicwiki and I feel that the article should have a better balance of independent and primary sources. A good amount of the article's sources are from articles/sources that are likely from info he provided himself. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. NEeds better sourcing. — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed, posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry West
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Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American basketball player Jerry West (pictured) dies at the age of 86 (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
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- Nominated by KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support: Article is a GA and I just resolved the last CN tag. pbp 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Still one CN tag in the "early life" section. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 14:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
- @Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support PBP fixed the citation issues, and the article looks good. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 15:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb transformative figure in basketball history. It is rumored that the NBA logo was modeled after him. Natg 19 (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb. A rumor about him inspiring a logo isn't Mandela/Thatcher level of blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport. BD2412 T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Natg 19 The last one was Franz Beckenbauer in January this year. Given that he, Pele and Maradona (also blurbed) were generally regarded as the three greatest players of their generation, those were no-brainers really. The only living footballers that I can think of who might deserve a blurb are Messi, C.Ronaldo, Zidane and possibly the original Ronaldo, and hopefully we won't be meeting any of those here any time soon. Black Kite (talk) 09:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If O.J.’s excluded, I believe Kelvin Kiptum was the most recent athlete to be blurbed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I forgot him. Although him dying at 25 in non-usual circumstances also helped. Black Kite (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Doubt this is getting blurbed, as the soccer (football) players you listed above who were blurbed also have a claim to be the GOATs at their position. But Jerry was one of the greatest of his generation (1960s), along with Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Oscar Robertson. Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Again, part of my reasoning for Russell was his civil rights impact. The same reason I think Jim Brown was worthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with orbitalbuzzsaw, ideally, deaths should be blurbed if the death has a tangible impact, "famous person dies" is otherwise what RD is for. I won't oppose the exceptional blurbing of someone of the Thatcher/Mandela standard, as their death will likely have some level of impact (a good rule of thumb is whether the person has an article for their death, like death of Nelson Mandela). It really should be about impact, not about popularity and/or unusualness of the death. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Russell should’ve been blurbed, but the failure to blurb Russell shouldn’t affect West. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- West may be less notable than Russell as a player, but his accomplishments as a player & GM may make West more notable than Russell. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Article is in good quality. Supporting blurb because West is highly influential in his field and not to mention he's the NBA logo too! Article definitely reflects his influential status/impact he had. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, weak support RD there's some unsourced lines. And, really, it is getting out of hand to propose blurbs lightly. Opposing for DarkSide. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a serving political head, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD per Darkside830 Relativity ⚡️ 22:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficient quality for RD, but there isn't anything particularly noteworthy about the death in itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb This is the type of person for whom Recent Deaths was created. We should not be blurbing the death of every basketballer (or every sportsperson generally) just because they were better than average. Chrisclear (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb He was elected to the Basketball HOF on 3 separate occasions, is the only person to be enshrined as a player & a contributor (the latter is for his accomplishments as a GM) & his silhouette is the basis for the NBA’s logo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Not of Thatcher or Mandela stature, and it's really time to stop proposing blurbs for all and sundry, just because they were successful sportsmen or whatever. — Amakuru (talk) 10:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Perfect for RD, but not exactly world-changing. Yakikaki (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD, while his achievements are noteworthy within basketball, he's completely unknown for people who isn't into basketball. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. There don't seem to be quality concerns, so no need to wait on the RD. Discussion can continue on possible blurbing, although I'd imagine consensus isn't in favour of that as yet. (disclaimer: I'm involved on that score as I already opined on the question above). Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb - the idea that it needs to be Mandela or Thatcher (seriously, why is Margaret Thatcher cited here lol) is not one that has any basis in the guidelines or our past history. West was transformational in his sport, no less so than Shane Warne for example. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Mandela-Thatcher standard is very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thatcher and Mandela both died in 2013, so you might have gotten your timeline mixed up a little bit here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I said it was while they were only mostly dead; see the last (now shown first) entry regarding hospital whataboutism in Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2012. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- My bad, looks like I misread, sorry! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I said it was while they were only mostly dead; see the last (now shown first) entry regarding hospital whataboutism in Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2012. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, some people are fond of repeating the same thing, based on some misguided belief that Margaret Thatcher, giggle, is in the same league as Nelson Mandela in basically any way, and then they try to impose that as the standard for any blurb of a death. If Nelson Mandela is the standard we should never blurb another person's death unless they die in unusually noteworthy circumstances. nableezy - 23:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Idk why I’m engaging with this, but we blurb plenty of non heads of state, and I literally laugh out loud when people blurt out Thatcher here. But Shane Warne would be the closest example here, and guess what, blurbed. Please stop with the Thatcher Mandela nonsense, because a. The two of them aren’t in the same league anyway, and b. That has nothing to do with if a person should be or has been blurbed. nableezy - 02:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The reason we use them as examples is that both had a significant impact on their country's politics clearly demonstrating how they were great figures and top of their field (it also helped both had significant state funerals that lasted multiple days). It's why we're looking we're looking for the same here, and this article lacks a significant demonstration of why he had a lasting impact or legacy (I'm ignoring the NBA logo issue here). He's got some but not anywhere close to what we'd see with other sport legends like Pele or Jim Brown Masem (t) 03:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thatcher and Mandela both died in 2013, so you might have gotten your timeline mixed up a little bit here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The difference between West and Wayne vs. Mandela and Thatcher is that most people in the world have some semblance of knowledge of who either Thatcher or Mandela were due to their international impact. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who knows either West or Warne unless they're already interested in that specific sport. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shane Warne's death was blurbed, in case you missed that part. nableezy - 13:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Mandela-Thatcher standard is very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb: No doubt he's an important part of the history of the NBA, but for such a young sport/league, I think it's tough to argue that a guy who's not a consensus top 3 of the most important NBA people should be blurbed. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb His death is non-remarkable. HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Éric Tappy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTS (in French, among others)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Legendary Swiss tenor, Orfeo, Tamino, Pelleas. There wasn't much of an article, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Marina Tarkovskaya
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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Russian writer and critic. The younger sister of Andrei Tarkovsky. Thriley (talk) 22:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Tony Lo Bianco
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment unfortunately the tables are mostly unsourced (and I am unlikely to tackle). Prose looks decent though. Not ready yet. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Filmography unsourced and there's a section of the career part that's unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Orest Lenczyk
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport/TVN24 (in Polish)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a few CN tags still present in the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
(RD posted) RD/blurb: Françoise Hardy
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: French singer-songwriter and actress Françoise Hardy (pictured) dies at the age of 80 (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde , The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of more than sufficient quality for RD, but the manner of death was not notable, and thus a blurb is not warranted. In my opinion, death blurbs should only be in place when the death itself is a notable event. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD 💔 what a loss ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, as the legacy section states : Hardy was celebrated as a "French national treasure" and one of the greatest figures in French music of all time., I think that it's enough to deserve a blurb. Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Seconded. I support blurb based on this. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Loads of people are labelled "national treasures", that doesn't mean we blurb them. There's too much of the "this person is famous, let's blurb them" going on these days. Is Hardy a major figure of the Thatcher / Mandela stature? No. So we don't blurb her, it's that simple. If people want to lower the bar across the board or impose a different standard such as "major contributor" then that should be agreed at WT:ITN first. — Amakuru (talk) 06:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article good for RD though? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it looks fine on that score. The only issue I can see is length. At 12,000 words, it's halfway between "probably should be trimmed" and "almost certainly should be trimmed", per WP:TOOLONG guidelines, but I won't object to ITN on that basis. Support RD. — Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article good for RD though? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, we have posted Tina Turner and Tony Bennet as blurbs before, based in the "major contributors" or "transformative in their field" rationale. Hardy may belong to the same league. Alexcalamaro (talk) 02:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per Amakuru. Was she famous in France? Yes. Was she important enough for her death to be blurbed as a standalone news item? No. *Support RD on quality. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD looks well sourced (minus the lede). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posting RD, consensus against blurb. The article looks great. --Tone 07:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Hunter Biden
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Blurb: Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Mia Mahey (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb. Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Unlike the Trump conviction, this is insignificant. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, as much as some politicians are trying to make this into a big deal, this is no different than any other low level crime. Yes, it’s a felony. No, it’s not a relevant felony, and it doesn’t become so just because he’s the President’s son. If Joe himself were convicted of this maybe it’d be newsworthy but probably not. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - he's a private citizen convicted of something inconsequential in the national or international grand scheme of things and bears no real meaning other than providing obvious partisan talking points. If he was convicted over something related to his father's presidency, that might be another matter. RPH (talk) 18:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Hunter Biden is only a public figure because his father is a public figure; absent increased involvement from his father (for example, a presidential pardon) then this doesn't warrant posting. BilledMammal (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Local trivia. Black Kite (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per RPH. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Khushboo (Pakistani actress)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Ainty Painty (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Six sentences of prose at the moment. Needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait There's more info in the two headlines I read than in the current article, and who knows what might grow from those entire articles? For now, though, yeah. Way too stubby. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's no mention of her death outside of the infobox yet. Too much of a stub. Estreyeria (talk) 14:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Brad Dusek
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It would be nice to know what he did for the last 40 years. Stephen 22:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted because of the way it's formatted? Still looks awfully skimpy for a biography. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 20:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Saulos Chilima
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Malawi Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and 9 others are killed in a plane crash (Post)
Alternative blurb: A plane crash in Malawi causes the death of Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and nine others.
News source(s): The Times of IndiaCNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Malawi Vice President died in Air Crash.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe, blurb? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 11:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- The plane crash event is noteworthy enough to be a blurb. 10 casualties including VP of a country. Didgogns (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have expanded the section on the corruption scandal and also added a bunch of sources for the rest of his bio. Scaramouche33 (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb added. Johndavies837 (talk) 17:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blub Johndavies837 (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Rest in peace Bakhos2010 (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb on notability of event, death of a Vice President in exercise. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Article is of sufficient quality and event is major enough. Bremps... 18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb However, shouldn't the target article be the plane crash itself? Also worth noting, former first lady was also among the casualties. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the target article should be the plane crash. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pull Blurb, leave RD Current precedent seems to be that deaths generally shouldn't be blurbed unless they're ITN/R. As Saulos Chilima was not a Head of Government, (or even a Head of State) this means it's not ITN/R. And as for overall notability, Chilima wasn't exactly a "transformative" figure, or at least there's nothing to indicate that in the article. I feel that this was posted far too hastily, given that it spent less than 12 hours since nomination. Nottheking (talk) 11:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technically the blurb is centering around the plane crash itself not just his death. The crash itself is notable enough as it killed a sitting VP, a former first lady and eight others. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: James Lawson (activist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennessee Lookout,Los Angeles Sentinel
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Funcrunch (talk · give credit)
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American activist and university professor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Appears to be well-sourced (just added/updated a couple of cites myself). Funcrunch (talk) 22:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of Course, one of the giants of the Civil Rights Movement. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Funcrunch. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Rest in peace, friendly giant. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Steele Hall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Australian Broadcasting Corporation
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- Nominated by Roisterer (talk · give credit)
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Premier of South Australia and Australian Senator.
NB: I created this article (20 years ago). Hall is perhaps most famous for changing electoral laws to remove the gerrymander that had kept his party in government for decades, thus all but ensuring his defeat at the next election. There can't be too many examples of politicians willing to do such a thing. --Roisterer (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Roisterer, could you address the CN tags in the article please? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several uncited paragraphs. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
European Parliament election
Blurb: The European People's Party Group wins the most seats in the European Parliament election (outcome pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) obtains the most seats in the European Parliament election.
News source(s): BBC
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- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
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I see lots of news reports about this so what exactly are we waiting for? It might help to make a start. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait A little premature perhaps as the article doesn't even have the seat breakdown yet nor have they finished announcing. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Last time it seems that ITN posted two days after the polls closed, on the Tuesday. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Article is in bad shape with many empty sections and very little content on the results, reactions and implications. There's long way to go before this gets posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose on quality. Too many empty sections. Wait until the article is expanded and provisional election results/seat breakdowns are available. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and Improve - We should post this, but we need an acceptable article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Might be good to mention the surge in support of right-wing parties in the European Parliament, which has been a massive talking point in this election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur, this seems to be the main thing the news is reporting. Curbon7 (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Ursula von der Leyen did not run in this election, and the leader of the EPP is currently the German politician Manfred Weber. --2.248.103.101 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.
The nominated article lists seven alliances and four of them are shown to have leaders who were not running as MEPs. If there's a better way of explaining the result, I expect there will be alt blurbs suggested. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says she will approach social democratic and liberal parties that she has worked with in the past to form a majority in the European Parliament.
- I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.
- Comment von der Leyen is the main candidate, but not the leader of the EPP group. It should as such not say "led by" in the text. I would instead replace it with "The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) wins the most seats in the European Parliament election." I will also say that I would be cautious with writing anything which could imply that UvdL is guarenteed to continue as Commission President. So I would prefer using the term "win" if it is possible. Gust Justice (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament.
Leaders of the 27 member states (on June 27) and majority of MEPs (secret ballot voting; tentative July 18) [2]. So imo, delay this ITN to July 18.— hako9 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI, the blurb which was posted in 2019 was as follows:
In the European Parliament election, the centre-right and centre-left lose seats. Liberals, the far-right, greens and regionalists make the largest gains.
- The Presidential process was not included. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is about the elections to the European Parliament. Because of the unusual institutional setup of the EU, the election of the Commission President is a separate, later election (as noted above), and in any case the Commission isn't exactly equivalent to a government in function and form. I would therefore strongly suggest a blurb focusing only on the parliamentary elections and the outcome in terms of party groups, and leave VDL out of this for now. There is however no reason to delay the article until she is reelected (or not) as that election is another affair, strictly speaking. Yakikaki (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. There are five orange-tagged sections and no prose at all about the results. The empty sections could simply be removed or merged into others, but there also needs to be at least a full referenced paragraph describing the outcome, reactions etc. Modest Genius talk 11:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, I do think the blurb should avoid mentioning von der Leyen, because the Commission and the Parliament are two separate bodies. Modest Genius talk 11:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not that it's not ready, but the article is in such a terrible shape that all of the questions in the foregoing discussion should've not been raised because the article is supposed to provide the answers.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait on the basis of WP:ITNELECTIONS, but wait until the full results come out, and there are still two orange tagged sections. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 21:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment and wait The notion that European People's Party Group is the "winner" is quite misleading. We should wait until there is a clearer picture of the fractions within the Parliament, and that may take some weeks... --212.247.95.190 (talk) 20:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alternate Blluurrbbb #002 The strong results of the National Rally in the 2024 European Parliament election led Emmanuel Macron to dissolve the lower house of the French parliament, the leaders of the The Republicans to fire their president Éric Ciotti in a unanimous decision overturned in court two days later, the left-wing parties to unite in a New Popular Front, and the leader of Reconquête to fire vice president Marion Maréchal for "treachery". (§)— Preceding unsigned comment added by SashiRolls (talk • contribs)
- Support with new altblurb the election is very clearly major enough to warrant an inclusion in the news, however, the blurb and altblurb provided aren't factually correct, von der Leyen can't be the main candidate, she didn't run. Scu ba (talk) 13:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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