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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.
DYK criteria
How to list a new nomination
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.
Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.
- Nom without image:
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{{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}
- To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook:
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| (etc) - To include more than one author:
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| (etc) - To include alternate hooks:
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- To add the article you reviewed:
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Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
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{{subst:NewDYKnom | article = Example | status = new<!--(or) expanded--> | hook = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''? | author = User | nominator = | image = Example.png | rollover = An example image | alttext = Description of the image | comment = }}
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on October 2
Wheatland (James Buchanan House)
- ... that if Abraham Lincoln was as happy on entering the White House as James Buchanan was on the returning to Wheatland (pictured), he would have been very happy?
5x expanded by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 1
1975–76 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team and 1976–77 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that in the 1970s Pete Carril led two Princeton Tigers men's basketball teams to the NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament — the 1975–76 and 1976–77 teams?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Fulham Davies
- ... that the stockbroker Fulham Davies managed to keep open the Merrill Lynch office in Little Rock, Arkansas, during the Great Depression?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
When it Rains, it Pours (30 Rock)
- ... that the Tracy Jordan character from 30 Rock was a contestant on the game show Cash Cab in the episode "When it Rains, it Pours"?
Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Bill Green (basketball)
- ... that due to his intense fear of flying, Bill Green was never able to play for the NBA's Boston Celtics?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt1: ... that in 1963, Bill Green was drafted in three different professional sports leagues – the NBA, MLB and NFL? Jrcla2 (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt2: ... that legendary Boston Celtics head coach Red Auerbach once agreed to let Bill Green take a train out to St. Louis, Missouri to play due to his fear of flying? Jrcla2 (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Drowzee
- ... that the Pokémon Drowzee is based on the mythological creature baku, who is similar both in its resemblance to a tapir and in its ability to eat dreams and nightmares?
Created by New Age Retro Hippie (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
766th Independent Infantry Regiment (North Korea)
- ... that the North Korean 766th Independent Infantry Regiment trained for 14 months prior to the Korean War but fought for only two?
5x expanded by User:Ed! (talk). Self nom at 19:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Parasexuality
- ... that parasexuality allows some fungi to recombine genetic material without sexual reproduction?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- With a suggestive term like parasexuality, I wonder if we couldn't find a hookier hook. How about
- (ALT1) ... that the Penicillium fungus in blue cheese is parasexual?
- (ALT2) ... that parasexual Penicillium fungi inhabit blue cheese?
- I just feel that a hook which defines the term "parasexuality" will decrease the chance that a reader will click on the article. Not sure if the article presently supports either of these, but it easily could. EdChem (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Great idea. I added a citation for P. roqueforti making blue cheese. I like the wording of the second alt. Sasata (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Holy Cross Church, Burley
- ... that in Holy Cross Church, Burley, Rutland, (pictured) is a memorial to Lady Charlotte Finch, governess to the children of George III?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
HMS Avenger (D14)
- ... that HMS Avenger was the only aircraft carrier to take part in the Russian convoy PQ 18?
Self nom and x5 expansion by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that HMS Avenger was the only aircraft carrier to take part in convoy PQ 18, one of the Arctic convoys of World War II?
- --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Old St Bartholomew's Church, Lower Sapey
- ... that, between being replaced by a new church in 1877 and its restoration over a century later, Old St Bartholomew's Church, Lower Sapey, Worcestershire, (pictured) was used as a farm building?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:20, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Waterside Press
- ... that Waterside Press is a "niche publisher [who] specialise in legal topics"?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- References and dates are fine, length just over the line at 1615 characters in two simple paragraphs. Would suggest wikifying the hook a bit, as below. - Dravecky (talk) 05:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Waterside Press is a niche publisher which specialises in legal topics?
- Comment: Would it be possible to find a more surprising or eye-catching hook? Merely noting the existence of the company, and what they specialise in, is not very "hooky". (I've removed a stray character from ALT1 as well) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have also just added a notability template to the article - more details on its talk page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I should the article should exist (per comments on talk page) but I was rather desparate in stretching this to the 1500 limit. If people want to drop this because of it, I'm okay with that. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Spring Canyon, Utah
- ... that Spring Canyon, Utah, the largest coal mining town in Carbon County, Utah, was abandoned in 1969 and nothing remains of the town except a railroad trestle?
Created by The Utahraptor (talk). Self nom at 01:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 30
Hiesville
- ... that the commune of Hiesville has three memorials related to the invasion of Normandy during World War II in the area as it was where the gliders of the 101st Airborne Division landed?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Patsw (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Pthirus gorillae
- ... that molecular phylogeny suggest that Pthirus gorillae (pictured) jumped from gorillas to early humans about 3.3 million years ago and speciated into the present day pubic louse?
Created/expanded by Forty two (talk). Self nom at 03:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Appropriate alt-text needs to be added; see WP:ALT for guidelines. The alt-text included in the nomination is not really the way alt-text is supposed to be. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I hope this alt-text is okay, please review again. Thank you.-- Forty two 03:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Can I suggest replacing 'split' with 'speciated' and changing 'lice' to 'louse'? - Richard Cavell (talk) 03:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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- Halloween ??? Victuallers (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Halloween is okay.-- Forty two 20:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Halloween ??? Victuallers (talk) 14:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Length, date and hook reference all groovy. Disclosure: I helped, sightly, w/ the picture. Chzz ► 08:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
1971–72 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1974–75 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that although the 1971–72 and 1974–75 Princeton Tigers men's basketball teams did not win the Ivy League they played in the postseason in the National Invitation Tournament and were champions in 1975?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
List of players banned or suspended by the NBA
- ... that players who were banned permanently by the National Basketball Association for substance abuse were allowed to be reinstated after 2 years?
Created by Chrishomingtang (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Bill Henry (basketball)
- ... that Bill Henry was listed as Rice University's all-time greatest men's basketball player in the 2009 book ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia: The Complete History of the Men's Game?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Geneva State Forest
- ... that, rather than paying property taxes on land it had clear-cut, the Jackson Lumber Company donated the land that is now Geneva State Forest to Alabama?
Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 23:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Kataragama temple
- ... that Kataragama temple is one of few places sacred to all religious communities of Sri Lanka?
Created by Kanatonian (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Canadian pipe mine
- ... that the explosive charge in some Canadian pipe mines soon deteriorated into a porridge-like mush?
- Comment: Moved from user space to main space today
Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 21:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Inkayacu
- ... that the recently described extinct penguin Inkayacu from the Eocene of Peru probably had gray and reddish brown feathers, unlike the black and white feathers of living penguins?
Created by Smokeybjb (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Church of St Nicholas, Sapareva Banya
- ... that according to a legend, a group of Circassians attempting to destroy the roof of the medieval Church of St Nicholas (pictured) in Sapareva Banya, Bulgaria fled in horror when one of them fell to his death?
Created/expanded by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
St Nicholas' Church, Gloucester
- ... that the spire of St Nicholas' Church, Gloucester (pictured) suffered a direct hit by cannon fire in the Siege of Gloucester in 1643, and had to be reduced in size in 1783?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Sir Ronald Ross Institute Of Parasitology
- ... that Nobel Prize winner Sir Ronald Ross (pictured) has a malarial research institute named after him in Hyderabad, India?
- ALT 1 ... that Sir Ronald Ross (pictured) won the Nobel Prize mainly due to his experiments on malaria at the then Begumpet military hospital in Hyderabad?
Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Although longer, ALT1 is more interesting I think. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I agree that ALT1 is more interesting. It could be chopped after the word 'malaria'. - Richard Cavell (talk) 03:56, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Myriostoma
- ... that the salt-shaker earthstar (pictured) is distinguished from other earthstar fungi by the presence of numerous holes on top of its spore sac?
5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can see, the hook is only in the similar species section and that is referenced to a 200 year old source... Can you add another, more recent ref for it? Smartse (talk) 17:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Your suggestion smacks of recentism! Ok, I've added a modern (online) source to verify the uniqueness of its multiple stomata. Sasata (talk) 18:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Cheers, you never know, in 200 years maybe a new one could have evolved... Smartse (talk) 23:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- ...or been discovered. A 200-year old botany reference is only good for historical interest, not for factual information. - Richard Cavell (talk) 05:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
St Michael's Church, Michaelchurch
- ... that St Michael's Church, Michaelchurch, Herefordshire, (pictured) is notable for its 13th-century wall paintings, and the presence of a reconstructed Roman altar?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Angel Island (novel)
- ... that Inez Haynes Gillmore's 1914 science fiction novel Angel Island has been called a "classic of early feminist literature"?
Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 13:45, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
sound article - I might add "science fiction novel" as with the exception of Shelley, early female SF writers are unknown Victuallers (talk) 18:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. I've added "science fiction" to the hook. —Bruce1eetalk 05:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Dreaming of You (album)
- ... that Dreaming of You became the second highest debut after Michael Jackson's HIStory when the album sold over 175,000 copies the very first day?
5x expanded by AJona1992 (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC) . Self nom at 9:23, 30 September 2010 (EST)
Mekia Cox
- ... that Mekia Cox replaced Jessica Parker Kennedy on J. J. Abrams' Undercovers?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 13:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats
- ...
that in the comedic documentary The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats, filmmaker Mark Lewis gives an inside view into the peculiarities of show cats and their owners?
5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Hook is not specifically stated as a fact, and cited, anywhere in the article. Hook is not very interesting anyway - it just tells us what this documentary is about. Article is currently at AfD (although trending towards Keep). --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. Hook is boring. Here's a more interesting ALT supported by sources:
- Alt hook ... that in the comedic documentary The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats some show cat owners treat their cats better than family?
Sverre Iversen
- ... that Sverre Iversen, Norway's first director of the Director of Labour, took voice classes in order to work himself up from being a mason?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 08:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Gliese 581 g
- ... that Gliese 581 g, a newly discovered exoplanet 20 light years from earth has the greatest potential to support life of any planet found to date?
Created by Philg88 (talk). Self nom at 21:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
This is in In The News now (and rightly so, it's fascinating), so it can't now be here as well, as I understand it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 29
HMS Enterprise (1864)
- ... that the British ironclad HMS Enterprise had a wooden hull and iron upperworks which made her the first ship of composite construction in the Royal Navy?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Pearl River, New York)
- ... that the Pearl River, New York, post office (pictured) is one of the least decorated Colonial Revival post offices in the state?
- ALT1:... that in 2005, the Pearl River, New York, post office (pictured) was officially renamed in memory of a local Marine whose remains were returned from Vietnam that year?
- Comment: Fivefold text expansion
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Motor-paced racing
- ... that during motor-paced racing cyclists can reach a speed of 100 km/h?
Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
William Russell Lane-Joynt
- ... that Irish philatelist William Russell Lane-Joynt (pictured) won a silver medal for shooting at the 1908 Summer Olympics, held in London as a member of the Men's Running Target, Single Shot Great Britain team?
Created by Ww2censor (talk). Self nom at 04:13, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Gay Street (Knoxville)
- ... that Gay Street is the setting for events described in literary works by James Agee, Cormac McCarthy, Mark Twain, and George Washington Harris?
Created by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 03:18, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Don Doll
- ... that Don Doll, the only player in NFL history to register 10 or more interceptions in 3 separate seasons, changed his surname to "Doll" after being discharged from the Marines?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Steve Munisteri
- ... that Steve Munisteri, the chairman of the Texas Republican Party, met his former wife on a bus trip from Austin to Kansas City to attend the 1976 Republican National Convention?
- ALT: that Steve Munisteri, the chairman of the Texas Republican Party, is also a boxing promoter in Houston?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Targeted killing
- ... that 2.5-inch-long "nano-drones" are now being developed for targeted killing which, like little killer bees, will be able to follow their target, even entering a room through an open window?
- Created by Epeefleche (talk). Self nom|Nominated by --Epeefleche (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- the article says " feet 2.5 inches (0.8 m) long," ... Victuallers (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- tyop (per source). The word "feet"
should/will be[has been] deleted [and the phrase now reads "2.5 inches (6.4 cm) long"]. (talk) 20:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- tyop (per source). The word "feet"
- Note: An RFC has been opened on whether this article should exist separately from the Assassination article. --Allen3 talk 02:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment This previously was an article [1], until it was redirected. Therefore, if i'm interpreting the DYK criteria right, this needs to be a fivefold expansion of that article. Grsz11 02:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Dang, that's a lot of copy-paste to check. I got to 5x a little after Targeted assassination#Con. Grsz11 02:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, it is also a 10x expansion from the February 15, 2006, article that you point to.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
four 1960s Princeton Tigers men's basketball teams
- ... that during his five seasons as head coach of Princeton Tigers men's basketball, Butch van Breda Kolff, who retired with the highest all-time career Ivy League winning percentage, led the team to four Ivy League championships 1963, 1964, 1965, and 1967?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
1967–68 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1968–69 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that Princeton Tigers men's basketball won Ivy League championships in Pete Carril's first two years as head coach in 1968 and 1969?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Ronald Skirth
- ... that Ronald Skirth, a Battery Commander's Assistant in the First World War, deliberately targetted British guns to miss enemy targets.
5x expanded by Dwab3 (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- no red links in hooks allowed - removed Victuallers (talk) 22:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Kiruna Mine
- ... that the Kiruna Mine located in Kiruna, Sweden is the largest and most modern underground iron ore mine in the world?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. I was hoping the source for the hook wasn't the mine owners! Nice article. --NortyNort (Holla) 10:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
2010 European terror plot
- ... that suspects in the 2010 European terror plot attended the same Hamburg mosque attended by some of the September 11 hijackers?
created by User:AMuseo, (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Could do with rephrasing - "... attended the same Hamburg mosque attended by some ..." does not read well. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that suspects in the 2010 European terror plot attended the same Hamburg mosque as some of the September 11 hijackers? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Gastric antral vascular ectasia
- ... that Gastric antral vascular ectasia (GAVE) is also called watermelon stomach because streaky long red areas that are present in the stomach may resemble the markings on watermelon?
5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- I am finished with editing this, so take a look at it now. Bearian (talk) 20:27, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
James Stovall
- ... that director Warren Carlyle praised James Stovall's performance in Finian's Rainbow, saying his singing inspired "fellow cast members to sing and dance that little bit harder"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Would it be possible to find a more surprising or eye-catching hook? It is quite normal for directors to praise their own actors, singers, dancers etc.; just as it is normal for actors to say how great it was to work with the director. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Colonia Peralvillo
- ... that residents of Colonia Peralvillo in Mexico City burned in effigy the three presidential candidates of the Mexican general election, 2000 after staging a mock trial?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Throne of Weapons
- ... that the Throne of Weapons (pictured) has a smile on its butt?
- Comment: Its a bit April 1st but there are lots of other hooks possible
Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- (more sensible alt)... that the Throne of Weapons (pictured) which has been exhibited in British schools is made from AK-47's? Victuallers (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
OK for alternative hook. Length, date, references check out. But the image can't be used, as it is a derivative work of the copyrighted work of art, and therefore a copyright violation (Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Throne of Weapons, British Museum.jpg). Sandstein 18:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the approval - I thought items on permanent display were exempted from copyright. But discuss on commons. I have deleted it here pending the finding. Victuallers (talk) 19:49, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Patently not under copyright according to Freedom of Panorama#United Kingdom, but now that Sandstein has blithely opened a deletion request without considering the facts of the case it is unlikely that the picture can be used for DYK as Commons deletion requests can take weeks or months to close. BabelStone (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I've closed my own deletion request since it has been correctly pointed out to me that British FOP covers this sort of thing. I've reenabled the image. Sandstein 05:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Patently not under copyright according to Freedom of Panorama#United Kingdom, but now that Sandstein has blithely opened a deletion request without considering the facts of the case it is unlikely that the picture can be used for DYK as Commons deletion requests can take weeks or months to close. BabelStone (talk) 23:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Mässmogge
- ... that Mässmogge (pictured), Swiss candies sold in Basel at the autumn fair, are filled with ground hazelnuts?
Created by Sandstein (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
New article. Picture user generated. Non-English reference accepted in good faith. Good to go. Sweet. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 08:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Inocybe cookei
- ... that the poisonous mushroom Inocybe cookei (pictured) smells faintly of honey?
Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Una Padel
- ... that Una Padel, a criminal-justice reformer, was described as having a "profound sense of social justice" which "stemmed from an incisive understanding of and empathy with the underdog"?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 16:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Length, date and hook reference all good. 28bytes (talk) 19:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Deam Lake State Recreation Area, Charles C. Deam
- ... that Deam Lake State Recreation Area is named for Charles C. Deam, the first state forester of Indiana who discovered 25 new plant species?
Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Wayne Winterrowd
- ... that Wayne Winterrowd was called "one of the driving forces in North American horticulture", while his gardens in Readsboro, Vermont were said to represent "American gardening at its best"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Four boxes of liberty
- ... that the concept that four boxes of liberty include the soap box, ballot box, jury box and cartridge box, dates back to 1830?
5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Aymatth2 (talk) at 13:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Not 5x expanded (1836 to 5779 characters, according to prosesizebytes.js). Also the article is currently at AfD, it can be reconsidered after AfD ends but it would still need to be about 9000 characters to qualify. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- It is more than 5x expansion from this version, the version that was nominated for deletion. I see now that the nominator removed some junk before nominating, but is that relevant? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:13, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think so. The shorter version was in place for less than a day (removal started 01:25, re-expansion started 18:54). Expansion is measured from the version that was the status quo before expansion, which is the August 11 version of about 2400 bytes (1836 characters readable prose); for DYK purposes, we don't care how junky that version was or how much you improved it. If you think the article's quality has been significantly improved, you can try WP:GA instead. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I suppose the rules have to be very clear-cut to avoid endless arguments. I can't see putting it in for WP:GA. It is interesting (to me) but sort of a trivial subject. The moral seems to be to expand in user space, then put the expanded version into mainspace all at once, so the later expand start date gives the shorter version time to become the status quo. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thinking further, I can see that an article like this may be disturbing to readers in the USA, where the topic is real and immediate. Wikipedia should be politically correct. For future reference, how long does it take for a version to become status quo? I do not want to repeat this mistake. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- There is not a strict cutoff; reviewers exercise their judgment. In this case it's clear that the article was not really 5x expanded (it has some additions and removals, but the net expansion was not 5x). The length of time an article would need to sit around in its shortened state varies from case to case. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- But virtually no content was carried forward, and a huge amount was added. The earlier version seem to be mostly just unsourced comments from Ed Howdershelt. A clear rule on elapsed time would help a lot. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Again: DYK does not care what the quality of the pre-existing version was. You are welcome to start a discussion at the talk page about this but I think you're just looking for a loophole. Like I said, reviewers exercise their judgment in these cases (otherwise we could just replace them with a bot that scans article histories) and in this case the choice is quite clear. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- As I have said above, I agree that the article is inappropriate and withdraw the nomination. I believe the rules need clarification. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- Discussion page for the rules is thataway. But for what it's worth, rule A4 clearly states that expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter whether you kept any of it—trimming part of it right before the expansion begins doesn't lower your threshhold. And before anyone complains that "oh the rule is hard to find because it's buried in a bunch of other rules"...the whole reason that situation exists is because of people insisting on "clear" and "simple and objective" rules (your words, not mine [2] and [3]) to cover every possible contingency in an inherently subjective project. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- In this example the editor who nominated the article for AfD trimmed it drastically before nominating, and another editor (me) did a rescue job without looking at previous versions and nominated for DYK. That is irrelevant history. The tagline is far from politically correct and should never have been submitted. But it may be possible and useful to clarify and simplify the rules on expansion count for cases where there is no resemblance between the old and new versions. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Flame fougasse
- ... a flame fougasse can shoot a jet of flame 10 feet (3.0 m) wide and 30 yards (27 m) long?
Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Nominated by Gaius Cornelius (talk) at 12:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Interesting and eye-catching but not by any means new; you've been working on it since July, at which point it was already 18,000 bytes. Consider submitting to WP:GA instead. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- You seem to have missed the fact that this was only moved to article space today, so coutns as new within the rules governing "Did you know?" David Underdown (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Stricken. (In the future, Gaius, you can help reviewers by indicating, using the
|comment=
parameter, when the article was moved to mainspace.)
- My appologies. I did know that, but forgot on this occasion. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
But I can't find the hook fact in the source. The closest thing I found was "the flame covered an area of about 50 sq yds". rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fred Lord Hilton eyewitness account gives a general description. The figures come from the Barel Flame Traps document, the relevent sentence reads "40-gallon barrel fougasses project a beam of buring fuel about 10 feet wide to a range of about 30 yards." Gaius Cornelius (talk) 17:23, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I'll AGF it. But if a given reference doesn't contain the fact, it shouldn't be cited there as if it does; it sends the reader on a wild goose chase. I have edited the article accordingly. Everything else is good to go. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Stricken. (In the future, Gaius, you can help reviewers by indicating, using the
Ancient synagogue (Eshtemoa)
- ... that the ancient synagogue at Eshtemoa in the West Bank was converted into a mosque after the 7th-century?
Created by Chesdovi (talk). Nominated by Chesdovi (talk) at 11:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
It seems that there is more material available to expand the article, but as of right now the prose is just over 1,220 characters, short of the 1,500 minimum. Alansohn (talk) 13:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke
- ... that in Holy Trinity Church, Blatherwycke, Northamptonshire, is a memorial to the poet Thomas Randolph who died while visiting Blatherwyke Hall?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Balaji Sadasivan
- ... that Singaporean Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Balaji Sadasivan (pictured) became a neurosurgeon after seeing the effects of Minamata disease in Minamata, Japan, as a medical student?
5x expanded by Jacklee (talk), based on an article created by Black Falcon (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 06:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Lactarius vinaceorufescens
- ... that when cut or injured, the poisonous mushroom Lactarius vinaceorufescens will ooze a white latex that rapidly turns sulfur-yellow?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Capricorn Silvereye
- ... that Capricorn Silvereyes are not only socially, but also genetically, monogamous?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Hook source AGF. Its OK except for the fact that I dont know what "genetically monogamous" means.Thelmadatter (talk) 18:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- With these birds, it means that the pairs that build the nests and defend the territories are the genetic (or "true") parents of the chicks they raise. That is, they are sexually "faithful" to each other. This does not always hold with many other species of birds (e.g. many fairy-wrens) of which genetic testing has shown that the females are prone to having extra-pair copulations. There is some explanation of this here. Maias (talk) 00:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Centre for Crime and Justice Studies
- ... that the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies gives the annual Una Padel Award in memory of its former director?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- "... in the memory of ..." is ungrammatical. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- It might read better if you use "its former director", rather than "the former director". Cordless Larry (talk) 21:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 28
Palestinian drive-by shooting
- ... that Palestinian drive-by shootings had the ironic consequence of ruining the economy of Palestinian areas?
created by User:AMuseo, User:Shuki, User:Jalapenos do exist, User:George (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) (talk) 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Drive-by shootings do not have nationalities. Is this even really a subject separate from drive-by shootings, or is this a coatrack article? Also, why "ironic"? Geschichte (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Article seems to be treating it as a specific form of warfare in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I any case, that's not a argument for rejecting the hook, that's an argument for an AFD. Circéus (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- The hook is offensive and inappropriate, and the article is probably too. I wouldn't allow that on the main page, to put it this way. — Toдor Boжinov — 12:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
The Secrets of Scientology
- ... that former Scientology official Mike Rinder was called a "whistleblower" for his appearance on the BBC Panorama documentary, The Secrets of Scientology?
Created by TheRetroGuy (talk), Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Length OK, date OK, AGF for the offline Times ref. 28bytes (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
1958–59 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team, 1959–60 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1960–61 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that in his final two full seasons as head coach of Princeton Tigers men's basketball, Franklin Cappon led the 1958–59 team to the Ivy League co-championship and the 1959–60 team to the outright championship and he coached part of the year during the championship season of the 1960–61 team?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 00:33, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Prince Heinrich XXXII Reuss of Köstritz
- ... that it was assumed that Prince Heinrich XXXII Reuss of Köstritz would succeed Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, as his mother and cousin were expected to give up their claims?
Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
xxxHolic: A Midsummer Night's Dream
- ... that the anime film xxxHolic: A Midsummer Night's Dream was released on DVD and Blu-Ray alongside the film Tsubasa The Movie: The Princess in the Birdcage Kingdom?
Created by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
HMS Garmer
- ... that the captain of the Swedish river monitor HMS Garmer had to steer the ship as well as aim and fire her gun?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 22:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Peter Endrulat, Borussia Mönchengladbach 12–0 Borussia Dortmund
- ... that Peter Endrulat never played in the Fußball-Bundesliga again after conceding 12 goals for Borussia Mönchengladbach's record 12–0 league victory over Borussia Dortmund?
Created by Jared Preston (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
BBC Somali Service
- ... that a poll found that 99 percent of Somalis in the United Kingdom listen to the BBC Somali Service?
5x expanded by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Length, sourcing and expansion for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 13:51, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- The original source for this claim appears to be from 1999, and there is no indication of when the actual poll took place. Is that a problem? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- True, the poll took place no later than 1999, but two recent studies on the subject of Somalis in the UK, one dated 2006 and the other 2009, which looked at media consumption (amongst other things) saw fit to reference this poll, so no reason we shouldn't. Christopher Connor (talk) 18:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District
- ... that the Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District (former town hall, pictured) is the oldest European settlement on the Holland Purchase in Western New York, continuously occupied since 1798?
- ALT1:... that one of the six buildings in the Stafford Village Four Corners Historic District is the oldest extant house in Genesee County, New York?
- Comment: Fivefold text expansion
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Scyllarus pygmaeus
- ... that the slipper lobster Scyllarus pygmaeus is too small for fishing?
Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified, but I think it would be hookier to use the common name (pygmy locust lobster) instead of the binomial. Smartse (talk) 00:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
William Harrison (physician)
- ... that in addition to handling 6,000 births, obstetrician William Harrison performed over 20,000 abortions, eventually becoming the only physician in Northwest Arkansas to perform the procedure?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Colonia Morelos
- ... that Colonia Morelos in Mexico City is home to the city's largest tianguis market and two public sites to worship Santa Muerte (pictured)?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter
- ... that the font (pictured) in St Andrew's Church, Wroxeter, was constructed from the base of a former Roman column?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Gus Bevona
- ... that Gus Bevona resigned from local SEIU 32BJ in 1999, in the face of criticism for annual pay of $531,529 in 1997, more than 17 times the salary of the janitors and building workers he represented?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Koha Jonë
- ... that the newspaper Koha Jonë is seen as the first newspaper that achieved press freedom in Albania after the Communist downfall in 1991?
5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
First sentence is a machine translation of its own first on-line reference. And the sentence makes no sense when translated into English where it talks of the cleverness of the name of the paper - which may work in Albanian but not English. DYK entries must have 1500 chars of original text Victuallers (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed the spelling problem --Vinie007 16:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Gazeta 55
- ... that the number 55 of the newspaper Gazeta 55 stands for the Anti-Albania agitation and propaganda law?
5x expanded by Vinie007 (talk). Nominated by Vinie007 (talk) at 10:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Guepinia
- ... that the apricot jelly fungus (pictured) can be used raw in salads, pickled, candied, or fermented to produce wine?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
All checks out, but can you add a ref to the part of the taxonomy section which is currently unreffed? Ta Smartse (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Sasata (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Cheers, AGF for the wine ref. Smartse (talk) 20:14, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The Night of Enitharmon's Joy
- ... that The Night of Enitharmon's Joy (pictured, 1795), by William Blake, represents the Feminine Will upon a patriarchal Christianity?
Created (and expanded today) by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 4:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- 150 chars required, right? I can suggest:
- ... that the colour print The Night of Enitharmon's Joy (pictured, 1795), by English poet and artist William Blake, represents the Feminine Will upon a patriarchal Christianity? NandO talk! 01:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother
- ... that French artist Eugène Delacroix used his own pet cat as model to paint the tigers of A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother (pictured, 1830)?
Created by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 3:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
DYKcheck returns only 1198 chars, short of the 1500 required. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- You're right. So I suggest:
- ... that French artist Eugène Delacroix used to observe his own pet cat as model to paint animals such as the tigers of A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother (pictured, 1830)?
- What do you think? Thanks, NandO talk! 01:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
The article is phrased slightly differently, will AGF accept the following hook (added "said to have"): ... that French artist Eugène Delacroix is said to have used his own pet cat as model to paint the tigers of A Young Tiger Playing with its Mother (pictured, 1830)? StrPby (talk) 05:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Plymouth Congregational Church (Lawrence, Kansas)
- ... that the Plymouth Congregational Church of Lawrence, Kansas (pictured) was the first church to be established in Kansas Territory and lost members to the Lawrence Massacre of 1863?
Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 03:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Red Cross parcel
![Parcel for prisoners of war wrapped in brown paper and sealed with string, carrying the symbols of the Red Cross and the order of St John](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Red_Cross_Parcel.jpg/100px-Red_Cross_Parcel.jpg)
- ... that individual cigarettes in Red Cross parcels in the Stalag Luft I Prisoner of War camp were valued at precisely 27 cents each?
Created by Ecjmartin (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
New article. Hook verified. Good to go. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 08:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Can a picture be found to go with this hook? Gaius Cornelius (talk) 08:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Done. - Ecjmartin (talk) 12:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Ryan Premises
- ... that the Ryan Premises, a national historic site in Newfoundland and Labrador, was opened by Queen Elizabeth II to mark the 500th anniversary of John Cabot's landing in Bonavista?
Created by Silverchemist (talk). Self nom at 00:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 27
Tore Holden
- ... that Tore Holden was chosen as host of the Norwegian version of the Swedish game show BingoLotto without prior tv host experience?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
1978 NBA Draft
- ... that Larry Bird's (pictured) hometown team, the Indiana Pacers, avoided drafting him in the 1978 NBA Draft because they could not convince him to leave college early?
- ALT1:... that Larry Bird (pictured) returned to college after he was drafted by the Boston Celtics in the 1978 NBA Draft?
5x expanded by Martin tamb (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
List of conservation areas in Brighton and Hove
- ... that in 2008, part of Carlton Hill—originally one of Brighton's poorest slums—became one of 34 conservation areas in the city?
- Comment: Refs [16] and [17] in the lead cover this. I have started Carlton Hill, Brighton, but it is still under construction. Will embolden it in the hook and make a double-DYK when it's ready—hopefully within the next 48 hours.
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Rhyme Book
- ... that one critic called Scribe's second album Rhyme Book an "attempt to be considered the Aotearoa version of Kanye West"?
5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Great Flood of 1862
- ... that the Great Flood of 1862 was one of the greatest in the history of the Willamette Valley and the rest of Western Oregon?
Created by Asiaticus (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Frank Hill Smith
- ... that Frank Hill Smith was a painter and designed wall frescos, stage curtains, and stained glass windows?
Created by M2545 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Miriam Shapira-Luria
- ... that Miriam Shapira-Luria, known for her beauty, taught Talmud to elite young men from behind a curtain so that they would not get distracted by her appearance?
Created by Brewcrewer (talk), Jayjg (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Pakuashipi, Quebec
- ... that the people of the Pakuashipi settlement in Quebec, Canada, are considered the most traditional and conservative Innu band, both in terms of culture and language?
5x expanded by P199 (talk). Nominated by P199 (talk) at 17:10, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Grainsby Halt railway station
- ... that Grainsby Halt railway station served a Victorian hall in Lincolnshire which was later said to be haunted?
- ALT1:...was probably the smallest station to be taken over by British Railways upon nationalisation in 1947?
Created by Lamberhurst (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Josh Capon
- ... that chef Josh Capon was able to cook a three-course fish dinner for 4 people on The Early Show Saturday Edition's "Chefs on a Shoestring" challenge while spending less than $10 per person?
Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Is there a more startling hook? I'm not sure I'm surprised. If it wasn't for the BLP issue then I think a better hook would be Capon said it was impressive to cook a 3 course meal for ten dollars a sitting Victuallers (talk) 09:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- I suppose we could add the word "gourmet" but it's a 3-courses for $10/person. That's not necessarily feasible. Tommy! 13:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Modified hook. Tommy! 16:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Bingolotto (Norway)
- ... that after BingoLotto in Norway was launched in 1993 and cancelled in 1994, an attempted revive in 1996 was stalled and stopped by the government in 1998 after being a part of the election campaign in 1997?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 08:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Fred Evans (comedian)
- ... that silent shorts featuring Fred Evans as "Pimple" rivalled those of Charlie Chaplin for popularity and have been described as "proto-Pythonesque"?
Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Amalfi Cathedral
- ... that Amalfi Cathedral's bronze doors, cast in Constantinople, were the first in Italy?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Date and length check up, assuming good faith on hook reference. There's one thing that bugs me with the hook, though. I presume the doors were the first bronze doors in Italy, but I fear the wording doesn't quite make it clear. It could be interpreted as first doors in Italy cast in Constantinople or even first doors in Italy, if you like :) — Toдor Boжinov — 17:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the first use of bronze doors on an Italian building is attributed to the Amalfi Cathedral, and they came from Constantinople? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
That sorts it out, thanks :) — Toдor Boжinov — 08:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Edward Gal
- ... that Dutch dressage rider Edward Gal and his horse have been called "rock stars in the horse world" after setting multiple world records in top competition?
5x expanded by Dale Arnett (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Jimi Heselden
- ... that Jimi Heselden, owner of the company that makes the Segway personal transport system, died on 26 September after a Segway he was riding fell off a cliff?
Created by Smallman12q (talk), Finlay McWalter (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 01:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note that this article is also up for consideration at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Segway owner dies, but approval there appears unlikely. Alansohn (talk) 14:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Zef Jubani
- ... that 19th century Albanian rilindas Zef Jubani (pictured) argued that the Albanian language should have a unique alphabet since it was a unique language?
Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 01:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
All checked out. Minor tweaks made. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:24, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
HMS Minotaur (1863)
- ... that the five-masted ironclad HMS Minotaur and her sisters were described as "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 23:45, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified, image verified as PD. Nice little article with some nice images. Gatoclass (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
It's a great-sounding hook and a great article. But the hook is misleading, and indeed even a mis-quotation. Per the article, Minotaur was one of three ships described in this way, and the three ships together were described as "the dullest performers under canvas". Minotaur was not a single ship described alone as "the dullest performer". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed, but it still applies to the ship. I've rephrased to include her sisters, but I've probably blown the 300 character limit.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Possible ruthless trimming of the hook, if needed;
- ALT1 ... that HMS Minotaur and her sisters were called "the dullest performers under canvas of the whole masted fleet of their day, and no ships ever carried so much dress to so little purpose"?
- --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed, but it still applies to the ship. I've rephrased to include her sisters, but I've probably blown the 300 character limit.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Whitefriars, Bristol
- ... that Whitefriars, a Carmelite foundation in Bristol, England, was described by sixteenth century antiquary John Leland as "the fairest friary in England"?
5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 23:35, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Wandsworth Shield
- ... that the Wandsworth Shield (pictured) has a repoussée design of two large birds with outstretched wings and trailing tail feathers, and is considered to be a masterpiece of British Celtic art?
Created by BabelStone (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Well done. Suggestion - can someone photoshop-out the distracting square at top left in the image. Thank you Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Robert Totten
- ... that former Gunsmoke director Robert Totten, at the time of his death in 1995, was scheduled to direct a television series based on Lonesome Dove?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Brian Moran (baseball)
- ... that in 2009, the Seattle Mariners drafted Dustin Ackley, Kyle Seager, and Brian Moran, who were all teammates on the North Carolina Tar Heels baseball team?
Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing of article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 14:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Church of Saints Peter and Paul, Nikopol
- ... that the medieval Church of Saints Peter and Paul (pictured) in Nikopol, north central Bulgaria, may have belonged to a now-ruined monastery?
Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 21:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Hook ideas are very welcome. The photo of the church looks pretty good even as a thumbnail, I think it would be a good DYK picture. — Toдor Boжinov — 21:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Ignatius III Atiyah
- ... that the two claiming Melkite Patriarchs, Ignatius III Atiyah and Cyril IV Dabbas, were both consecrated on the same day, April 24, 1619 but in different places?
Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld
- ... that Nazi princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld translated numerous works into German, including Paul Rassinier's Holocaust-denying work The Drama of European Jews?
Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Nazi socialite Princess Marie Adelheid of Lippe-Biesterfeld was a leading figure in the Nordic Ring, a group devoted to discussing issues concerning race and eugenics?
Bhutan-Thailand relations
- ... that the Bhutan-Thailand Friendship Park was launched in 2009 to celebrate the 20th anniversary of diplomatic relations between Bhutan and Thailand?
Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 17:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Joseph L. Melnick
- ... that Joseph L. Melnick found that the most common way that polio was spread was by fecal contamination of soiled hands and that the poliovirus could survive for extended periods in sewage?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Possibly better worded as fecal contamination from soiled hands? (I'm not really sure) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Benjamin F. White (Montana politician)
- ... that Montana Territorial Governor Benjamin F. White founded the city of Dillon?
5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Bangladesh Ansars
- ... that the Bangladesh Ansars were originally formed in 1948 as the East Pakistan Ansars?
Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: That is a really uninteresting hook, isn't it? East Pakistan became Bangladesh, so they got renamed. Maybe try a hook about the origins of the name instead? Just a suggestion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Good point. How bout this -
- ALT1 ... that while mainly charged with maintaining law and order, Bangladesh Ansars are also assigned to help in schemes promoting local development? Shiva (Visnu) 10:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
All checked out. The alt hook is definitely better. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Village Defence Party
- ... that a Village Defence Party is organised on the basis of one platoon of men and one platoon of women for each village in Bangladesh?
Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 16:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: This is a really interesting hook (in my opinion) and a really interesting article, but the hook fact is sourced to the organization that is responsible for the creation and control of the subject of the article and hook. Not sure if this is appropriate or not, can someone else comment? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I have added another source for the point that at least 50% of the force is composed of women. As for the source of the Ansars/VDP website, it is a government institution site, not really a questionable source. Shiva (Visnu) 00:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
All checked out. Agree with Shiva that source is reliable. But article barely passes the required length, so much more info could be added... -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 18:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Dorothy M. Horstmann, Robert W. McCollum
- ... that research by Dorothy M. Horstmann and Robert W. McCollum at Yale University showed that polio was spread in the bloodstream, leading to the development of the polio vaccine in the early 1950s?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:13, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- "spread in the bloodstream"? This seems like "within the blood circulation, from one part of the body to another part of the body". Do you mean "bloodborne"? And "leading to"? Do you mean "paving the way for"? Or "setting the stage for"? Not sure about the cause-&-effect relationship here. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 03:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Sharon Cherop
- ... that Sharon Cherop fell over at the Toronto Waterfront Marathon but got back up and ran the fastest marathon ever by a woman in Canada?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 12:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. A pair of sentences in the article were combined to put the hook facts in the same sentence with a single reference. Alansohn (talk) 16:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Torlonia Vase
- ... that for centuries the Roman marble Torlonia Vase was the largest in diameter of known antique vases?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 12:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
off-line article backing article and hook are accepted in good faith, and this link to the source cited in the article covers most of what's there, though further access to the rest of the article would be a pretty stiff $15. The article and hook length are fine. Alansohn (talk) 14:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The quote that I was able to manipulate from the article says that "For a long time it was also the largest in diameter of known antique marble vases and one of the few with a figurative frieze". The word "marble" should be added to the hook to reflect the source and the possibility that there were larger vases made of other material, such as earthenware. Alansohn (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Gilgel Gibe II Power Station
- ... that shortly after its inauguration, part of the Gilgel Gibe II Power Station's 26 km (16 mi) tunnel, which was "considered one of the most difficult tunnel projects ever undertaken", collapsed?
Created/nom by--NortyNort (Holla) 10:25, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
All checked out, although there is more info in the sources that could be added to the article to make it more complete. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 17:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've removed "had" from before "collapsed" as it isn't necessary. Smartse (talk) 20:20, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense
- ... that The Adventures of the Scrabble People in A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, a syndicated cartoon special from 1985, was financed and developed by franchise owner Selchow and Righter?
Created by Slgrandson (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Shouldn't this article be at A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense instead? It seems as if the rest is the series title, and the latter is the actual episode title. Apart from that, what's so special about the fact that a franchise owner does something with its franchise? A more captivating hook would be better... Fram (talk) 09:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the creation of Selchow and Righter's Scrabble People, who appeared in 1985's syndicated cartoon special A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, involved the designers of Cabbage Patch Kids? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- As for the move, you're right. They also appeared in an educational video back then ... and in at least two books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the creation of Selchow and Righter's Scrabble People, who appeared in 1985's syndicated cartoon special A Pumpkin Full of Nonsense, involved the designers of Cabbage Patch Kids? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Babatunde Jose
- ... that Babatunde Jose has been described as the "grandfather of Nigerian journalism"?
Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Sourcing and length for article and hook have been confirmed. Alansohn (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Black people and crime in the United Kingdom
- ... that in 2009–10 the majority of males proceeded against by police for gun crimes, robberies, and street crimes in London were black?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- While the article looks well sourced and based off of
noatablenotable studies and likely to survive an AfD,I am not sure if this is a good hook to have on the main page.--NortyNort (Holla) 07:42, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I know Wikipedia is not censored but just as we do not feature overly negative hooks about living people on the front page, altering this hook might be similarly advisable. Perhaps a hook could be crafted noting that "Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime." which is also significantly disproportionate to the population as a whole while focusing on a perhaps less inflammatory aspect of the data. - Dravecky (talk) 10:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm also concerned about using this hook on the front page. While I don't object in principle to an article of this sort providing it is balanced and contextualised, rather than simply suggesting that a group of people are somehow predisposed to committing crime, I'm worried that that complexity is lost in any one-sentence hook. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- For instance, there is research demonstrating that ethnicity is not a significant predictor of crime, a point that I have just added to the article. People reading the hook would probably come to a different conclusion. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- What I presume to be the source of the data also states that the figures quoted include people who were subsequently acquitted. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- While the article looks well sourced and based off of
I will have to resist these comments. There was some activity on the article but didn't really affect the hook, though have slightly clarified a few words. I don't think the opposing comments have basis in the rules. To me, this is an interesting hook, likely to draw readers, and is based on statistics, so the factual grounding is solid. Of course it doesn't explain the details but that can't be done in 200 characters. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't doubt this is an interesting hook was unsure about it. Based off your comments, Dravecky and the hook tweak, I don't have a problem.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
You're free to "resist these comments" just as I am free to feel strongly that the current proposed hook is inappropriate for the front page as inflammatory and unduly negative, especially without context as you note above. - Dravecky (talk) 07:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Only my argument is based on the rules whereas yours is not. There is no issue with 'context', neither did I say so (I merely rather redundantly noted that further explanation would be helpful, as always), and you haven't made clear what 'context' you mean. Indeed if there's any context to be had it would be by noting the percentage of the black population versus the Met Police statistics (which may or may not make them look better). Your hook would appear to have the same 'issue' and additionally is less interesting and more unwieldy. Christopher Connor (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- While I confess to a wide interpretation of 'living individuals', my comments are based on the rule "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." Other editors are, of course, allowed to disagree with my interpretation but I apply that rule consistently in all of my hook reviews. - Dravecky (talk) 09:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe there is a way to reword the hook to focus on the gangs, who is more narrow but then again referring to a negative segment; violent gangs. Also, Operation Trident would work in an ALT.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- The group is about 800,000 in number (London estimates) so concerns over 'living people' appear to be misplaced. If you feel that DYK should have rules on 'controversial' hooks, the place to pursue that is on the DYK talk page, not here. Christopher Connor (talk) 14:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe there is a way to reword the hook to focus on the gangs, who is more narrow but then again referring to a negative segment; violent gangs. Also, Operation Trident would work in an ALT.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- While I confess to a wide interpretation of 'living individuals', my comments are based on the rule "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided." Other editors are, of course, allowed to disagree with my interpretation but I apply that rule consistently in all of my hook reviews. - Dravecky (talk) 09:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Only my argument is based on the rules whereas yours is not. There is no issue with 'context', neither did I say so (I merely rather redundantly noted that further explanation would be helpful, as always), and you haven't made clear what 'context' you mean. Indeed if there's any context to be had it would be by noting the percentage of the black population versus the Met Police statistics (which may or may not make them look better). Your hook would appear to have the same 'issue' and additionally is less interesting and more unwieldy. Christopher Connor (talk) 09:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- No. Sorry, this isn't the kind of hook we look to feature here. Grsz11 15:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- As above, point to a rule which backs up your opinion instead of simply declaring you don't like this hook. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Don't need one, DYK leaves a lot of leeway to reviewers, but "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided" is at Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules. There is certainly another hook that can be less negative, like taking action to help resolve issues of black crime, etc., that this kind is not needed. No need to be needlessly insensitive, whatever your intentions are. Grsz11 15:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- That only applies to individuals or small groups, not to unidentifiable, generic groups of 800,000 strong which account for 12 percent of a major city. Additionally, the same 'hook' appears in the first sentence of the report by The Sunday Telegraph, who initially reported it, and also the Daily Mail; so, for example, nothing is being done that our reliable sources haven't done. Also, this story is one of the most recent being only three months old. Based on this, I fail to see how the opposing comments can stand and why this shouldn't be moved into the queue. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Out of curiosity, I went to the links you posted, and did a search for the phrase "black people." Here's what came up: "black people are at least six times more likely to be stopped and searched than their white counterparts" and "black people are more than twice as likely to have their cases dismissed, suggesting unfairness in the system." Neither of those statements is referred to in your article. Why is that? 28bytes (talk) 16:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- It just seems to a lot of people that you've cherry-picked certain information to include, and have neglected others, as 28bytes points out. This certainly isn't the only hook possible from the article. Adding balancing information like mentioned above provides even more possibilities. Grsz11 16:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Please, these comments and insinuations aren't helpful. 28bytes's particular issues are distracting and best dealt with at the article, not here. Suggestions that I've been cherry-picking are not only untrue, but also have the effect of putting me in a bad light and seem like an attempt to avoid responding to the comments I made earlier. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- My suggestion: incorporate the information from the quotes I referenced to give the article a little more balance, rename the article to something less inflammatory (Race and crime in the United Kingdom, perhaps?) so that it doesn't run afoul of WP:AND, and use the information from one of those quotes as the hook. With those changes, I suspect there will be fewer objections to it going to the queue. 28bytes (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- If I was going to do all that you say, I may as well retire. Christopher Connor (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- My suggestion: incorporate the information from the quotes I referenced to give the article a little more balance, rename the article to something less inflammatory (Race and crime in the United Kingdom, perhaps?) so that it doesn't run afoul of WP:AND, and use the information from one of those quotes as the hook. With those changes, I suspect there will be fewer objections to it going to the queue. 28bytes (talk) 20:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Please, these comments and insinuations aren't helpful. 28bytes's particular issues are distracting and best dealt with at the article, not here. Suggestions that I've been cherry-picking are not only untrue, but also have the effect of putting me in a bad light and seem like an attempt to avoid responding to the comments I made earlier. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- That only applies to individuals or small groups, not to unidentifiable, generic groups of 800,000 strong which account for 12 percent of a major city. Additionally, the same 'hook' appears in the first sentence of the report by The Sunday Telegraph, who initially reported it, and also the Daily Mail; so, for example, nothing is being done that our reliable sources haven't done. Also, this story is one of the most recent being only three months old. Based on this, I fail to see how the opposing comments can stand and why this shouldn't be moved into the queue. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Don't need one, DYK leaves a lot of leeway to reviewers, but "Articles and hooks which focus on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided" is at Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK rules. There is certainly another hook that can be less negative, like taking action to help resolve issues of black crime, etc., that this kind is not needed. No need to be needlessly insensitive, whatever your intentions are. Grsz11 15:34, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
This hook (and likely this article) isn't suitable for placement on the main page due to its subject. It just won't work there. Prodego talk 20:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- This concern is identical to the previous ones (which have been addressed or are outside the scope of the rules). Since this appears to be wider than this article, see the thread I opened on the talk page. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Quite frankly, the hook comes off as racist; even if you're stating a sourced fact, the way you're stating it makes it sound as if you're trying to make a point. (I'm not saying you are a racist, maybe your intentions are innocent, but this is nonetheless the way it looks to an uninvolved reader.) Not to mention that the article itself looks like borderline OR to me. I will let others deal with the article itself and decide whether something needs to be done with it (I see there are already merge suggestions coming up), but the nomination is certainly not appropriate for DYK. rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think the BLP argument is a red herring as this is a large group--not what BLP was designed for. 28bytes make some valid points except I think if it is renamed to "race and crime..." people will bitch about why other minorities aren't mentioned. Some of the objections smack of political correctness because it's a well documented fact that minorities in many countries are arrested and incarcerated at a higher rate than the racial majority in those countries and articles neutrally and objectively addressing a sensitive topic should not be turned away. The second legit objection is that even if a hook is well sourced and true, we avoid hooks that'd upset large groups of people or are highly sensitive (ex: we didn't put a 9/11 hook up this Sep 11th, we put it up a few days later). It appears many of the concerns have already been addressed, so in my view add in quotes 28bytes mentioned, tone down the hook, and an acceptable hook will result. As for the Jewish lawyer article, there are similar articles such as Stereotypes of African Americans. Copying this to Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Extreme_resistance_to_my_DYK also. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I will compromise by proposing a new hook. Source. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- ... that Operation Trident was set up by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community?
Note there's now a 'move' proposal but to a different topic, which is not appropriate, and people are merely voting and putting forth unsound arguments which are being easily refuted. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- As the article creator, you're not really in a position to tell everyone else that everyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong (the blunt way of saying "putting forth unsound arguments"). As for "being easily refuted", the person responding to every comment at the move discussion is you; let someone else be the judge of how good a job you are doing refuting the arguments. For now we should just sit back and see what consensus emerges. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Irving J. Moore
- ... that Irving J. Moore, a director of Dallas and Dynasty, began his career as a messenger on the Columbia Studios lot in Hollywood?
- ALT1: that Irving J. Moore directed the 1980 episode "Who shot J.R.?" of the CBS soap opera Dallas?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook are fine. ALT1 is no issue, but the original hook is mentioned in the Los Angeles Times obituary, but does not have an explicit source in the article, which should be added. The Dynasty episode was the highest-ranked TV program in history at the time, and was a major cultural meme while the cliffhanger was still left unresolved. Any of these factoids might make the hook more interesting. Alansohn (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Chesterfield Island stingaree, New Caledonian stingaree, butterfly stingaree
- ... that the Chesterfield Island, butterfly, and New Caledonian stingarees are all found off the Chesterfield Islands, the first two nowhere else?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 04:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on September 26
Albert Greenwood Brown
- ... that the execution of Albert Greenwood Brown (pictured) was delayed until 2011 because a drug required for lethal injection at San Quentin State Prison expired?
Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 07:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Pity (William Blake)
- ... that Pity (pictured), painted in 1795 by William Blake, reflects a time when Shakespeare's Macbeth had a revival, being performed nine times in English theatres?
Created by Auréola (talk). Self nom at 01:48, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Action of 25 April 1898
- ... that during the Action of 25 April 1898, although the Spanish naval gunboat Ligera fired 10 shots and the American naval gunboat Foote (pictured) fired 70 shots, Foote was heavily damaged while Ligera was only hit once?
Created by ElBufon (talk). Nominated by Bejinhan (talk) at 14:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
1921–22 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team & 1954–55 Princeton Tigers men's basketball team
- ... that before becoming a permanent member of the newly formed Ivy League, Princeton Tigers men's basketball won six Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League college basketball conference championships: 1922, 1925, 1932, 1950, 1952, 1955?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
You Are the Girl
- ... that "You Are the Girl" was The Cars' first – and last – Top 40 hit after they regrouped from a three-year hiatus in 1987?
Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Kalaymyo
- ... that during World War II, Kalaymyo (pictured) was an important regroup point for the British during their retreat from Burma in 1942?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 14:54, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
U.S. Post Office (Spring Valley, New York)
- ... that the Spring Valley, New York, post office (pictured), unique among Colonial Revival post offices in New York, emphasizes Greek Revival aspects of that style?
- ALT1:... that the mural in the Spring Valley, New York, post office (pictured), shows how mail can reach even the most isolated person?
- Comment: Fivefold text expansion
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 06:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Ralph T. Coe
- ... that Ralph T. Coe, described as "enormously significant in the growth of appreciation of Native American art in the 20th century", began his collection after seeing a totem pole in a Manhattan shop?
Created by Lquilter (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Sister Wives
- ... that the TLC reality television series Sister Wives follows a polygamist family of four wives and 16 children living in Lehi, Utah?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 01:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... one day after the debut Sister Wives, a TLC reality television series about a polygamist family, authorities in Utah announced they were investigating the family for possible felony charges?
- Proposed a potentially more interesting alt lead in light of the new legal stuff... — Hunter Kahn 14:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... one day after the debut Sister Wives, a TLC reality television series about a polygamist family, authorities in Utah announced they were investigating the family for possible felony charges?
Cardiff Kook
A range of choices, from the obscure to the plain:
- ... that the chicken wire dude who once rode behind the Cardiff Kook was retired to a ranch with poinsettias?
- ... that Marion Ross was a booster for the Cardiff Kook?
- ... that Rob Machado couldn't tell you what the Cardiff Kook stood for?
- ... that the Cardiff Kook once wore Zorro's costume?
- ... that the Cardiff Kook was intended to be an awkward boy?
- Me again. The fifth is the best, since it seems that a lot of people indeed do not know this. But you might like the idea of enticing people with the more obscure hooks. Uncle G (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
2010 Hamas terror campaign
- ... that Hamas launched a new campaign of killing Israelis in order to prevent peace talks from succeeding?
created by User:AMuseo, User:Brewcrewer, User:Jalapenos do exist (talk). Nominated by User:AMuseo (talk) (talk) (talk) 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Currently up for AfD. Assuming it survives, it still has some substantial POV problems that will need to be addressed before running it. Gatoclass (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I just want to point out that the article has been gone over by many editors, and undergone many changes to satisfy NPOV concerns.AMuseo (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Marilyn McAdams Sibley
- ... that Marilyn McAdams Sibley wrote histories of both the Port of Houston and The Methodist Hospital of Houston, Texas?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Bob Mann (American football)
- ... that Bob Mann, the first African-American player for both Detroit and Green Bay, claimed he was "railroaded" out of football when he objected to a 20% pay cut after tallying the third highest receiving yards total in NFL history?
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
sourcing, length and 5x expansion verified for hook and article. The sources regarding being the first African American player for the Lions and Packers are accepted on good faith. The "railroaded" aspect is covered by the Los Angeles Times article referenced in the article, but as additional support I found (and added) another source based on what appears to be the same UP feed that the LA Times used. Great job on expanding what was a bare stub into an expansive and thorough article. Alansohn (talk) 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
HMS Valiant (1863)
- ... that the British ironclad HMS Valiant (pictured) had to wait nearly five years after she was launched to receive her rifled muzzle-loading guns?
5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 22:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
No Problems. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:30am • 00:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Geography of New York
- ... that the geography of New York includes the Adirondack Park (map pictured), the largest publicly protected area in the contiguous United States?
5x expanded by UpstateNYer (talk). Nominated by UpstateNYer (talk) at 21:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Article meets criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:00am • 01:00, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- To me, this does not read right. (I'm in the UK, so this may be a US/UK usage difference.) "Geography" is the study of features in the land - it is not a category of those features. The "geography" of an area does not "include" something. The "correct" version of the hook, to me, would be "... that New York includes the Adirondack Park.." - which is trivial and does not include the article title. I'd be happier with something along the lines of "... that the geography of New York is dominated by farms, forests, rivers, mountains, and lakes...." Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hmm, good point. How about including the Adirondack Mountains which are a major feature and the basis for the park.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- The map also is problematic as it includes the Catskill Park as well (I know there's one from that set that shows just the Adirondack Park.
But I agree with the point. So how about...
- ... that the geography of New York is dominated by lakes, forests and two major mountain ranges, with a large city in its southeastern corner? Daniel Case (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Barbara Scherler
- ... that Barbara Scherler of the Deutsche Oper Berlin recorded Bach's Alles nur nach Gottes Willen, BWV 72 with Fritz Werner's Heinrich-Schütz-Chor Heilbronn?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
In the reference for the hook it says she was the Alto for: Les Grandes Cantates de J.S. Bach Vol. 29 Bach Cantatas: Volume 1 it doesn't say she recorded it all in fact it also says: "The list of recordings was compiled by Aryeh Oron (October 2002 - May 2010) Thanks to contributors: Matthias Hansen (June 2009)" It doesn't say that she recorded the whole Alles nur nach Gottes Willen, BMV 72 with Heinrich-Schütz-Chor Heilbronn. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:41am • 00:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- The reference says: Les Grandes Cantates de J.S. Bach Vol. 29 / Bach Cantatas: Volume 1 / Cantata BWV 72 [19:35]. But I replaced it by the more general one for the Werner cantata recordings, showing that Vol. 29 contained BWV 72 and BWV 23. That ref is less specific, it mentions a tenor who appears only in BWV 23, but an easy click shows that. I also added Scherler's bio ref to the hook, saying at the bottom that she sang with Werner BWV 7, BWV 11, BWV 23, BWV 30, BWV 39, BWV 70, BWV 72, BWV 85, BWV 92, BWV 102, BWV 103, BWV 137, BWV 150, BWV 180, BWV 200. I picked 72, because that is the one I expanded, smile. Of course she didn't sing "the whole" cantata but the alto solo. In 1973 the soloist didn't form the choir, as in La Petite Bande (s. below). Much less information is available about recordings of that time than about more recent ones, therefore I am grateful for bach-cantatas' precision. And - as said and accepted in a former discussion here - a recording is a recording. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Barry Endean
- ... that within four months footballer Barry Endean went from playing for an amateur team in a public park to lining up against Manchester United at Old Trafford?
5x expanded by ChrisTheDude (talk). Self nom at 20:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Hook satisfies DYK criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:46am • 00:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
2003 Twenty20 Cup
- ... that the 2003 Twenty20 Cup included the first-ever Twenty20 cricket match, played between the Hampshire Hawks and the Sussex Sharks?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
satisfies criteria. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 10:54am • 00:54, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Yamaha XV1900
- ... that the Yamaha XV1900 (pictured) is the largest Yamaha V-twin motorcycle in production?
5x expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Really not a very interesting hook in my opinion. It's difficult to find anything especially eye-catching in the article, but how about;
- ALT1 ... that the Yamaha XV1900 (pictured) is the largest Yamaha V-twin motorcycle in production, and a version of it has a 210mm rear tyre that is the widest on any Yamaha motorcycle?
- --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes that's better was trying to keep it short - and I've added a picture (taken only yesterday in the showroom) Thanks Thruxton (talk) 19:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Akan Drum
- ... that the British Museum's oldest African-American object is the Akan Drum (pictured) that was used to "dance the slaves"?
Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Greyfriars, Bristol
- ... that in 1538, Richard Ingworth reported that the warden of Greyfriars, Bristol was "stiff", continuing "yet for all his great port, I think him twenty marks in debt, and not able to pay it."?
5x expanded by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
No Problems. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:05am • 01:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Sue Torres
- ... that Mexican cuisine chef Sue Torres' restaurant Sueños was listed in Vogue magazine as "Taster's choice" by critic Jeffrey Steingarten, describing it as "one of the lasting 4 monuments" of 2003?
Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: In the article, the hook fact is sourced only to the restaurant's own website. Plus the hook is potentially misleading - the restaurant was not the sole winner of some "Taster's choice", but in fact was merely recommended in that category alongside three other restaurants. In any case, is it not possible to find a more eye-catching hook? A restaurant being one of several restaurants praised in a restaurant review, is not really surprising or especially interesting in my opinion. It happens hundreds of times every single day. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was unaware of that. Where did you find that information? Tommy! 20:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The source (the restaurant's own website) says 'Suenos was listed as in Vogue's "Taster's Choice" 2004 by Jeffery Steingarten as one of the lasting four monuments of 2003'. So I would guess that means that article listed this restaurant and three others. For all we know, Vogue might have listed twenty other restaurants in five other categories in the same issue. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- To be honest, I know the hook isn't my best but I didn't really know how to make it sound interesting... unless you got a suggestion :) Tommy! 21:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Easiest would be to persuade this celebrity chef to do something outrageously surprising or interesting, and then persuade a RS to write about it :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- After reading your comment again, as Jeffrey Steingarten said it was "one of the lasting 4 monuments"... I think that's strong (in a positive way) manner. Jeffrey Steingarten is known for being harsh in his criticism. Tommy! 00:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Easiest would be to persuade this celebrity chef to do something outrageously surprising or interesting, and then persuade a RS to write about it :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Russian battleship Sevastopol (1895)
- ... that the Russian battleship Sevastopol was the only battleship not salvaged by the Japanese at Port Arthur?
Created by User:Buggie111 (talk). Self nom at 17:18, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you mean "the only sunk ship"? Pretty sure many ships there require no salvaging. Also, it may be better to link "Port Arthur" to Siege of Port Arthur than to Lüshunkou District, imo. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've changed the words ship to battleship, since I know that all the other battleships were salvaged. Buggie111 (talk) 20:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Marathon at the Paralympics
- ... that marathon events have been held at the Paralympic Games since 1984?
Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
IPC is the only source used, but that is no problem for DYK, article is well-written. —Ғяіᴆaз'§Đøøм • Champagne? • 11:18am • 01:18, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Jody Williams (chef)
- ... that Italian Iron Chef Mario Batali claimed that chef Jody Williams was one of his favorite cooks in the world?
Created by Tommy2010 (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note: I'm not sure if it should say "... that chef Jody Williams is one of his favorite cooks in the world? instead. Tommy! 21:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The Iron Chef article is about the original Japanese TV series. I redirected it to its US spinoff Iron Chef America, which is the show on which Batali appears. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you ! Tommy! 00:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- The Iron Chef article is about the original Japanese TV series. I redirected it to its US spinoff Iron Chef America, which is the show on which Batali appears. — Dale Arnett (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note: I'm not sure if it should say "... that chef Jody Williams is one of his favorite cooks in the world? instead. Tommy! 21:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Samuel Bowman
- ... that Samuel Bowman was selected to be a bishop in the Episcopal Church three times, but did not accept until the final time in 1858?
Created by Coemgenus (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Please bold eligible article. Gatoclass (talk) 15:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Oxford Castle
- ... that plague broke out during the "Black Assizes" at Oxford Castle, leading to the deaths of the Lord Lieutenant, two knights, eighty gentlemen and the entire grand jury?
5x expanded by Hchc2009 (talk). Nominated by Hchc2009 (talk) at 15:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Aurora mine
- ... that the Aurora mine, located in Beaufort County, North Carolina, is the largest integrated phosphate mining and chemical plant in the world?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 14:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The source doesn't look reliable, and indeed the website itself states that it cannot be held responsible for the accuracy of the information. Gatoclass (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, per WP:RS press releases are not reliable. Smartse (talk) 16:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Changed the ref. BineMai 16:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The cite says it's the largest integrated phosphate mining and chemical plant in the world, but the article and hook state that it is the largest "integrated phosphate and chemical mining plant in the world", which is not quite the same thing. Gatoclass (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. BineMai 19:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The press release is still used though - it needs to be removed. Smartse (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't remove it from the article i just moved it from the first sentence that matches the hook. Is is ok? BineMai 12:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Where does WP:RS say press releases are not reliable? Gatoclass (talk) 06:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- It doesn't specifically (it used to and IMO still should) but they are self published so aren't generally considered reliable. Smartse (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- The press release is still used though - it needs to be removed. Smartse (talk) 21:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fixed. BineMai 19:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- The cite says it's the largest integrated phosphate mining and chemical plant in the world, but the article and hook state that it is the largest "integrated phosphate and chemical mining plant in the world", which is not quite the same thing. Gatoclass (talk) 17:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well, of self published sources the guideline states that it's okay to use them so long as they are not unduly self-serving. This hardly seems to me a self-serving statement. Gatoclass (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Fair point, I'm more used to dealing with very self serving press releases. The hook is verified. Smartse (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well, of self published sources the guideline states that it's okay to use them so long as they are not unduly self-serving. This hardly seems to me a self-serving statement. Gatoclass (talk) 18:31, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League
- ... that the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League, which is the Ivy League's predecessor, was founded by Basketball Hall of Famer Ralph Morgan?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 14:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Ankara Güvercinlik Army Air Base
- ... that Turkish Army's Güvercinlik Air Base was the first civil airport of Ankara that served as such from 1933 until 1955?
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for the article and hook all appear ok, though I was unable to get a translation of the source that most explicitly supports the hook. Any English language sources that would support the hook would be wonderful additions. The wording of the hook ought to be tweaked, because as currently worded it was the first civil airport for a 22-year period. What it probably should say is something like ALT1 "that the Turkish Army's Güvercinlik Air Base was the first civil airport in Ankara when it opened in 1933 and it served as the city's main airport until 1955?" or something of that order. Alansohn (talk) 18:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The Game of Peter Rabbit
- ... that Beatrix Potter registered The Game of Peter Rabbit at Stationers' Hall before the game board or the rules had been perfected?
Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 13:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Isn't this article about a game that was never sold or perfected? This game was eventually marketed after the rules, the title and the games designer had changed. Victuallers (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
James M. Cantor
... that James M. Cantor is gay?
Created by Crusio (talk). Nominated by Christopher Connor (talk) at 13:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- DYK hooks have to be based on unusual or interesting facts. There's nothing particularly unusual or interesting about someone being gay. Please submit an alt hook. Gatoclass (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Gatoclass is right, but there is plenty of material for suitable hooks in that article. Such as...
- (ALT1) ...
that James M. Cantor is an expert in sex? - (ALT2) ... that sexologist James M. Cantor found that male pedophiles have significantly less white matter in their brains than control subjects?
- (ALT3) ...
that James M. Cantor received a PhD for his work on reversing antidepressant Prozac-induced sexual dysfunction in male rats? - (ALT4) ...
that James M. Cantor has spoken of the challenges of being a gay graduate student? - (ALT5) ...
that sexologist James M. Cantor has disputed the claims of shemales who say they do not seek sex reassignment surgery?
- (ALT1) ...
- Just a few suggestions... EdChem (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I'd go with ALT2 which I've verified. Smartse (talk) 17:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'd agree with that. One or two of the others are viable but are not expanded upon in the article at all, so the brain study is the obvious candidate. I have struck the other hooks accordingly for clarity. Gatoclass (talk) 18:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 would also be my first choice, thought I like the hookiness of ALT1. However, I do think we should wait for some input from the article creator and/or the nominator. Perhaps they will see something else beyond what I suggested, or have other ideas - a hook the mentions the lower IQ results of pedophiles, for example, or looks at his gay activism. They might even have a different perspective on the "viability" of hooks. EdChem (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'll drop the nom a note. Smartse (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps a better hook is the following. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- (ALT6) ... that James M. Cantor, a gay psychologist who has done research on pedophiles, says it is shown that "there is absolutely no association between being a gay man and being a pedophile"?
- (ALT7) ... that James M. Cantor is part of an activist minority in mental health seeking to legitimize hebephilia as a psychiatric disorder?
- Source is Karen Franklin, "Hebephilia: Quintessence of diagnostic pretextuality," cited in article [4]. Quote: "[Ray] Blanchard and James Cantor serve together on the editorial board of the journal that published the study. Thus, the CAMH group is poised to exert tremendous influence over the revision process for the DSM-5 sexual disorders and, by extension, the shape of forensic diagnosis of sex offenders for some time to come. ...Such legal skirmishes over the validity of hebephilia lend an air of urgency to attempts by an activist minority in the mental health field to legitimize it as a bona fide psychiatric disorder." Few people know what hebephilia is, but the proposed diagnosis will suddenly classify millions of new people as mentally disordered. It's certainly the most interesting DYK fact, and a little shorter than others proposed. Jokestress (talk) 02:30, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yours needs to be attributed to be more correct: has been characterised as part... Mine has a nice ring to it. Christopher Connor (talk) 03:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'll drop the nom a note. Smartse (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 would also be my first choice, thought I like the hookiness of ALT1. However, I do think we should wait for some input from the article creator and/or the nominator. Perhaps they will see something else beyond what I suggested, or have other ideas - a hook the mentions the lower IQ results of pedophiles, for example, or looks at his gay activism. They might even have a different perspective on the "viability" of hooks. EdChem (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not keen on either of these alts, and I still think ALT2 is a pretty interesting hook - which has the added advantage of being expanded upon in the article where the other alts are not. Gatoclass (talk) 06:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Describing Cantor as a "gay" psychologist in ALT6 seems gratuitous to me - his sexuality is irrelevant to any description of the research. Further, I think ALT6's description is less interesting than ALT2's. The lack of association between homosexuality and pedophilia is widely known amongst scientifically educated people; findings that pedophiles have significantly reduced white matter seems to be an important research finding with substantial implications. Remember that what is sought here is the hook most likely to trigger sufficient situational interest to induce readers to click the link and examine the article. I remain of the opinion that ALT2 is the most effective in this regard. EdChem (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't create the article so my opinion here doesn't count for much. Perhaps the creator, Crusio, would care to weigh in? Christopher Connor (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Describing Cantor as a "gay" psychologist in ALT6 seems gratuitous to me - his sexuality is irrelevant to any description of the research. Further, I think ALT6's description is less interesting than ALT2's. The lack of association between homosexuality and pedophilia is widely known amongst scientifically educated people; findings that pedophiles have significantly reduced white matter seems to be an important research finding with substantial implications. Remember that what is sought here is the hook most likely to trigger sufficient situational interest to induce readers to click the link and examine the article. I remain of the opinion that ALT2 is the most effective in this regard. EdChem (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- (unindent) When I created this stub, I apparently unwittingly stirred up a hornet's nest and the article seems to have become a battleground for people having a beef with Cantor. ALT2 seems to be the only thing in the article that is both reliably sourced and not (too) contentious and it also seems to be the thing that makes Cantor most notable. --Crusio (talk) 07:35, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'd urge caution about putting this on the main page, per BLP. Crusio created the article in good faith, but Cantor is a scientist who works in a contentious area, and people with strong views about him have been editing the article and talk page, with the subject asking on talk that they abide by the content policies. Given that the article has the potential to be professionally damaging, and it's not clear that it's balanced enough (no fault of Crusio's), it's unwise to expose it to the main page. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 11:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, no hurry. We can give them a few days to sort their differences out, if there are still unresolved issues by the time this makes it to the bottom of the page we can review the situation then. Gatoclass (talk) 11:52, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Ruck machine gun post
- ... that Ruck machine gun posts were built from prefabricated sections, paving slabs, sandbags and rammed earth?
Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note: moved from user space to main space today. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 12:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Good Times Roll
- ... that for the 1999 reissue of The Cars' 1978 debut album, no usable demo of their single "Good Times Roll" could be found?
5x expanded by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Mycena acicula, Mycena adonis, Mycena adscendens, Mycena cinerella, Mycena flavoalba, Mycena galopus, Mycena polygramma, Mycena sanguinolenta, Mycena stylobates, Mycena vitilis
- ... that bonnets may be orange (pictured), scarlet, frosty, mealy, ivory, grooved, snapping, milking, bleeding, or bulbous?
- Comment: All articles except for the newly-created Mycena stylobates are 5x expansions. Hook should be easily verifiable by checking the document "Recommended English Names for Fungi in the UK" (linked in all articles), and confirming that the common names used here are valid. Thanks!
5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Mycena adscendens comes up only at 4.15x expansion for me. (620 B before, 2575 B after) It need 525 B added. The others are all 5x or more except the newly created article., and I did verify the common names are all correctly stated. Imzadi 1979 → 05:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Mycena adscendens has been expanded enough. Imzadi 1979 → 06:08, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for checking. Sasata (talk) 06:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The Heidenmauer
- ... that in The Heidenmauer James Fenimore Cooper employed the narrator's commentary to deliberately examine the darker sides of European society and aristocracy?
Created by Sadads (talk). Nominated by Self (talk) at 05:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Someone with access to jstor might like to review this one. Gatoclass (talk) 16:54, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
SMS Kronprinz (1914)
- ... that the German battleship SMS Kronprinz was the only Error: {{sclass}} invalid format code: 6. Should be 0–5, or blank (help) to escape damage at the Battle of Jutland on 31 May – 1 June 1916?
5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Expansion and hook are good, but it should be nominated in section expanded on September 23. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Jack Kershaw
- ... that attorney Jack Kershaw created an equestrian sculpture of Confederate Army general and KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest in 1998, arguing that "somebody needs to say a good word for slavery"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 25
Red Rockers
- ... that before their gentle 1983 hit single "China", Red Rockers were the leading hardcore punk band in the New Orleans area?
5x expanded by SteveStrummer (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Editing continued through 10/1.
Okmulgee State Park, Gymnophyllum wardi
- ... that Okmulgee State Park (pictured) in Oklahoma is one of only a few places in the world where the fossil coral Gymnophyllum wardi is found?
- Comment: Okmulgee State Park is from Sept. 25, Gymnophyllum wardi is from Sept. 30
Created by Dincher (talk), Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Windsor Mountain School
- ... that the married couple who founded the Windsor Mountain School in Massachusetts had previously established a school in Germany?
Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 03:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Alba Cathedral
- ... that excavations at Alba Cathedral uncovered an ancient baptistery redesigned as a burial place?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Date, length OK. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Charmaine Tavares
- ... that Maui's present Mayor Charmaine Tavares is the daughter of Maui's longest serving mayor, Hannibal Tavares?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Good to go.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
The Crusader (album), Dreaming (Scribe song)
- ... that all three singles from Scribe's debut album, The Crusader, including "Dreaming"/"So Nice", were double A-sides?
5x expanded by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Note:The Crusader (album) was 5x expanded on 25 September, and Dreaming (Scribe song) was created on 27 September.
Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association
- ... that the plaintiffs' amicus brief to the courts in Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association (Arnold Schwarzenegger pictured) argues that Super Mario Bros. is a violent video game?
Created by BluWik (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 19:19, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Tom Johnson (American football)
- ... that Michigan's All-American 60-minute man Tom Johnson was the second African-American player for the Green Bay Packers?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified. Offline reference on him being second AGF.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:46, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Bernard Carvalho
- ... that Bernard Carvalho, the current Mayor of Kauai, was drafted by the Miami Dolphins after graduating from the University of Hawaii?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Scanlan (talk) at 23:48, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- What sport? What position? --64.231.53.243 (talk) 04:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Maria Brontë
- ... that according to Elizabeth Gaskell, Maria Brontë was the inspiration for the character of Helen Burns in Jane Eyre?
Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook verified. However, I would advise modifying the hook to "that according to Elizabeth Gaskell, Maria Brontë inspired the character of Helen Burns in Jane Eyre?" which is more concise. Protector of Wiki (talk) 05:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- PoW, I would strongly suggest per your talk page that you stop stalking Clementina (talk · contribs). Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 05:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- As I said on my profile, if MY edits are improvements, why should she be uncomfortable? We're all here to improve the encyclopedia. Are we not? Protector of Wiki (talk) 05:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Chamelaucium, Eriostemon australasius
- ... that the wax flowers of eastern Australia are members of the citrus family, while those from the west are of the myrtle family?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk), Poyt448 (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
5x expansion verified for Chamelaucium. Date, length also OK. Date, length for Eriostemon australasius OK. However, it doesn't say anything in the latter article about being part of the citrus family; could you add a line? Yoninah (talk) 00:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Rutaceae is commonly known as the citrus family. It seems a bit tangential to actually reference it in the species article though. I just added 'citrus' in brackets. That ok? I guess I can ferret out a source. 11:33, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks; we non-scientists appreciate the lay language. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 13:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Medieval invasions of Britain
- ... that the Great Heathen Army that invaded Dark Ages England was led by brothers who took personal revenge on an English king for the murder of their father?
- ALT1:... that England was invaded by the French in 1216?
- ALT2:... that Scottish soldiers invaded England in 1513 but were defeated in the Battle of Flodden?
Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: This really isn't ready for DYK yet in my opinion. However, I am going to help do some improvement on the article and the hook, perhaps other reviewers with historical interests could help too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've fixed some of the problems, article/hook will need review by someone else. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Matt Bischoff
- ... that during his time on Purdue University's baseball team, pitcher Matt Bischoff broke the school's single-season and career strikeout records?
Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Length and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 01:30, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Jo Andrews
- ... that after working as an ITN political correspondent, Jo Andrews became a director of the Rausing Trust?
Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 23:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Alternative suggestions very welcome. TheRetroGuy (talk) 23:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Anastas Byku
- ... that 19th-century publicist Anastas Byku held that the Albanians were descendants of the Pelasgians and the Illyrians?
Created by Aigest (talk). Nominated by Sulmues (talk) at 23:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Length, date, hook reference check up. — Toдor Boжinov — 11:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Beth Courtney
- ... that under Beth Courtney, as president of Louisiana Public Broadcasting, the network produced the documentary Uncle Earl, about former Governor Earl Kemp Long?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that the National D-Day Museum honored Beth Courtney, president of Louisiana Public Broadcasting, for a three-hour tribute to World War II veterans in Louisiana?
Elias Abel House
- ... that the Elias Abel House (pictured) is the best-preserved historic I-house in Bloomington, Indiana?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 21:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I'm somewhat colorblind, so I can't be sure if the house is red or brown: if it's brown, please fix the alt and rollover texts. Nyttend (talk) 21:59, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- I removed "red". Many cheap monitors suck and some are bound to display brown when it's red. --64.231.53.243 (talk) 04:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. You only removed it once, so I cut the other one. Nyttend (talk) 04:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- hook checks out. I don't know if it's red, green or brown! Dincher (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Werner Güra
- ... that tenor Werner Güra recorded with Harnoncourt and the Arnold Schoenberg Chor in the Musikverein Bach's cantata Wir danken dir, Gott, wir danken dir, BWV 29?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Batra mine
- ... that the Batra mine located in Albania produced between 1967 and 2006 a total of 5,561,000 tonnes of chromium ore?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 16:06, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't see why this hook would be considered especially interesting or eye-catching to readers (presumably the purpose of a chromium mine is to produce lots of chromium), in addition to which the article only has a single source, and that single source is the Albanian government, which actually owned and operated the mine for most of the period in question. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes the purpose of a chromium mine is to produce chromium but i thought this might be interesting keeping in mind that this is a mine from a small fairly undeveloped country which used its own capital to exploit it without the help of large domestic or foreign companies and if you do the math you will see that it produced roughly 140,000 tonnes of ore per year which was more than 1% of the world's annual production. BineMai 11:10, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- yes i agree with that --Vinie007 16:57, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Arthur Cumming (Royal Navy officer)
- ... that in 1843 Lieutenant Arthur Cumming (pictured) and seven men successfully captured a slave ship with a 27-man crew?
- ALT1:... that a man impersonating Admiral Sir Arthur Cumming (pictured) stole 100,000 francs (£330,000 in modern terms) of jewellery in 1888?
- ALT2:... that during the Crimean War, Captains Arthur Cumming (pictured) and Astley Cooper Key took control of the town of Libau with just 110 men, without firing a shot?
Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Coral Sea, Aipysurus duboisii
- ... that at least seventeen species of sea snake (example pictured) live in the Coral Sea, of which one has the most toxic snake venom in the world?
Created/expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 13:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've reorganised the hook to improve the readability. (review on the way). Smartse (talk) 16:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Verified, I've changed the hook though because the refs say it is the most toxic venom, but this doesn't necessarily make it the most poisonous snake, as other snakes could just inject more venom - see Vespa luctuosa which is also here at the moment. Can you fix the couple of queries I've added as hidden notes in the Coral Sea article? Smartse (talk) 17:42, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. Addressed your queries. Yes, its venom, I just wasn't sure how do they count "most poisonous", as the dose should vary between individuals. I re-added "at least" - there are 17 on the Great Barrier Reef, I think I saw some (questionable) refs saying there are a bit more in the sea. Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Ottoman–Mamluk War (1516–1517)
- ... that the Ottoman–Mamluk War of 1516–1517 (map pictured) gave the Ottoman Empire control of Syria, Egypt and most of the Arabian Peninsula?
Created by Per Honor et Gloria (talk). Nominated by Per Honor et Gloria (talk) at 08:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Good piece of work. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Vinnie Doyle
- ... that Vinnie Doyle was editor of the Irish Independent for 24 years?
Created by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Sourcing and length for article and hook have been verified. The proposed hook is a bit ordinary, and I would propose ALT1 "that Vinnie Doyle, one of the longest-serving editors in the newspaper business in Ireland, was editor of the Irish Independent for 24 years?" or some variant thereof that places the hook in greater context. Alansohn (talk) 15:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Veal and ham pie
- ... that a veal and ham pie is a critical plot element in Beatrix Potter's The Tale of the Pie and the Patty-Pan?
Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 01:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 23:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Cruschedula
- ... that when first described, the extinct bird Cruschedula was thought to be a "dry-land" penguin?
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ready. Dincher (talk) 23:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 24
Fabio Campana
- ... that following the London premiere of Fabio Campana's opera Esmeralda in 1870, The Saturday Review pronounced it "irredeemably bad"?
ALT1:... that Fabio Campana's first opera, Caterina di Guisa premiered while he was still a student?ALT2:... that Verdi's future wife Giuseppina Strepponi (pictured) sang the title role in the premiere of Fabio Campana's opera, Caterina di Guisa?
- Comment: The image applies to ALT2 only. The article uses shortened footnote format for the citations. See the Sources section for full bibliographic information and links to the sources.
5x expanded by Voceditenore (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
5x expansion verified. Date, length, hook ref verified. Great job turning a speedy delete into a full-fledged article! Original hook good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Paul Isenberg, Albert Spencer Wilcox, Albert Spencer Wilcox Building, Abner Wilcox
- ... that the Kauaʻi Museum is housed in a building named for Albert Spencer Wilcox (son of missionary Abner Wilcox), and its first manager was granddaughter of businessman Paul Isenberg?
- ALT1:... that a granddaughter of German businessman Paul Isenberg was the first manager of the Kauaʻi Museum (pictured)?
- ALT2:... that Hawaiian sugar plantation owner Albert Spencer Wilcox was son of missionary teacher Abner Wilcox?
- Comment: single quadruple hook, or two doubles if that is too much
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 20:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Alexander Classical School
- ... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is one of the few three-story cobblestone buildings?
- ALT1:... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is one of the few cobblestone structures originally built as a school?
- ALT2:... that the Alexander Classical School building (pictured), now Alexander, New York, town hall, is the only cobblestone building in North America used as a town hall?
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 15:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
The source cited says "It is the largest cobblestone structure in North America constructed for educational purposes. It is the only known cobble stone building utilized as a town hall in North America, as well as one of the few cobblestone structures originally designed for public purposes." The source mentions that it is three stories tall, but doesn't say what the original hook claims that "one of the few three-story cobblestone buildings". As to ALT1, the source doesn't say make any claim regarding the number of schools built using cobblestone architecture. For ALT2, the source says the building is the only such building on the continent "used for governmental purposes" while the source simply says it's the continent's only cobblestone town hall. The sourcing and length of the article are fine, and there is definitely a strong hook here, but I think some rewording may be necessary to better match the source provided. Alansohn (talk) 15:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- The source for the three-story claim is the NRHP nom, not the town's history page (which might be a little suspect anyway as a self-serving source). I think that's also the source for ALT1, too. I have reworded ALT2. I also had an ALT3 which, apparently, didn't come out since the template doesn't support that, but I may add it later. Daniel Case (talk) 21:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Coffee production in Papua New Guinea
- ... that coffee production in Papua New Guinea (pictured coffee bags) slumped by 23 percent in 2000?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 09:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 13:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Length date and reference for hook check out. The hook's not terribly "gripping", but still better than many others that have passed. Nice article. Voceditenore (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Jagiellonian tapestries
- ... that the Jagiellonian tapestries (pictured) became state property of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by the testament of King Sigismund II Augustus?
Created by BurgererSF (talk) 10:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 10:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Offline source AGFThelmadatter (talk) 00:20, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, improved. BurgererSF (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
George E. Hearn
- ... that the psychologist George E. Hearn, as a graduate student at Baylor University, did experiments and research for the American space program?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that George E. Hearn was the first licensed industrial psychologist in his native Louisiana?
The Fabian Strategy (30 Rock)
- ... that in the season premiere episode of the fifth season of the television comedy series 30 Rock, the Jack Donaghy character makes reference to the Fabian strategy?
Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 23:49, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
John Callan (judge)
- ... that Catholic judge John Callan (pictured) considered resigning after Pope Pius XII talked about judges' duties with respect to divorce cases?
Created by Rick570 (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- I've added another photo. It's a cropped version of the first one and is square, which might lend itself better for the homepage. Schwede66 00:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Barford Court, Hove
- ... that eccentric tycoon Ian Stuart Millar's seafront home (pictured) in Hove, England, was built of specially commissioned handmade bricks—the leftovers of which were reputedly buried elsewhere in Hove?
- Comment: 200 chars with (pictured) ... but better hook wording is welcomed.
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
article and hook length have been verified, offline source is accepted in good faith. Note that DYKcheck excludes the word "(pictured)" and counts the hook as being190 characters. Alansohn (talk) 15:48, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Elsing
- ... that St Mary's Church, Elsing (pictured) has, according to Nikolaus Pevsner, "the most sumptuous of all English church brasses"?
Created by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Date and length check out
but the direct quote in the article about the brasses being sumptuous needs an inline cite.Voceditenore (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- I have moved the relevant ref. immediately behind the quote.--Charles (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
OK now. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. Nice article! Voceditenore (talk) 16:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The Cosmic Landscape
- ... that The Cosmic Landscape by Leonard Susskind is mainly about "the scientific explanations of the apparent miracles of physics and cosmology and its philosophical implications?"
Created by Derild4921 (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The entire article is based on one source. Do you have others? Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- I added in the book as a source. Currently I only have reviews and that one source gives me all reviews for now; it has the same effect as finding each separate review and citing them. Derild4921☼ 02:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Speakers' Corner, Singapore
- ALT 1: ... that people making speeches at Speakers' Corner in Singapore (pictured) must use one of Singapore's four official languages – English, Malay, Mandarin or Tamil – or a related dialect?
- ALT 2: ... that participants in demonstrations at Speakers' Corner in Singapore (pictured) must be either citizens or permanent residents?
- ALT 3: ... that Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong, who was Prime Minister of Singapore when Speakers' Corner (pictured) was set up ten years ago, has said the venue is "mostly dormant but good to have"?
5x expanded by Lee Huimin (talk), Libing.tan.2008 (talk), Redefreiheit (talk), Viknesh2010 (talk), and Smuconlaw (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 16:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- The expanded article was worked on in a sandbox and moved into the article namespace on 24 September 2010. — SMUconlaw (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Javad Alizadeh
- ... that Iranian cartoonist Javad has created a scientific/philosophical cartoon on relativity theory titled 4D Humor (pictured)?
Created by Farhikht (talk). Nominated by Farhikht (talk) at 13:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
What is "a humor"? It is both in the hook and article. You need to find the correct word in English before this hook can be passed. Ericoides 14:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Reply on your talk page.Farhikht (talk) 14:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- My answer is on yours. Ericoides 14:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Can someone else check this? I've become a bit too involved with it. Thanks, Ericoides 15:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Mirna Bridge
- ... that the 1,378-metre (4,521 ft) Mirna Bridge is the longest bridge on the Croatian A9 motorway (pictured)?
Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't contain the claim ("the longest bridge on the A9") in the hook. Ericoides 13:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Guys, at least take a brief look at your articles before submitting here. Not only does it not contain the hook, there's broken non-breaking spaces and {{convert}} templates inside, it's a bit of a mess... — Toдor Boжinov — 14:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. Fixed that and added more. Won't do two things at a time any more... promise.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's alright, just don't forget to do a quick overall check before submitting here :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 10:22, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- Can you point out where in ref2 the "longest bridge" claim is made so we can at least check it in google translate? It would be ideal if you could add a quote to the ref and translate it as well. Smartse (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
- On the second thought I cannot. The text says it is the most significant and only implies that it is the longest. Perhaps Alt 1 would be better, or should this be dropped altogether?--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that piers of the 1,378-metre (4,521 ft) Mirna Bridge on the Croatian A9 motorway were designed to support a concave deck in order to reduce weight of the bridge (pictured)?
- Note: In ALT1 case the claim is referenced by ref#3: "Udubljena je krivina odabrana s namjerom da se smanje visine stupova (slika 43.), jer je tlo u dolini iznimno male nosivosti. Iz istih je razloga rasponski sklop odabran tako da bude što lakši" [A concave curve was selected with intention to reduce height of the piers (fig 43), since soil in the valley has exceptionally low load bearing capacity. For the same reason, superstructure type was selected to be as lightweight as possible]--Tomobe03 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 23
List of Cardcaptor Sakura episodes
- ... that when the episodes of the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth?
- ALT1:... that when the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth?
5x expanded by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- I think the wording of the hook sounds contrived. Normally you wouldn't say that "the episodes" premiered, but that the show premiered. I think it would be better with the word "episodes" removed, and then linking to the list from the later use of "episode". Here is what I would suggest: ... that when the anime Cardcaptor Sakura premiered on Kids' WB in North America, the first broadcast episode was the eighth? Calathan (talk) 17:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion; I'll add it as an alternative.--十八 21:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
only 2x expand in readable prose. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:31, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
eight articles
- ... that the Bulqizë, Kalimashi 1, Kalimashi 3, Krasta, Përroi Batrës, Qaf-Buall, Vlahna and Zogaj mines are the only mines in Albania to have reserves of over 1 million tonnes of chromium ore?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Nominated by Bine Mai (talk) at 20:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
The 1.6% figure seems to be based on the figure for chromium reserves in The Limits to Growth which was published almost 40 years ago, which cannot be accurate anymore, because they will have either shrunk as we've used it up, or grown as we've found more. The US Geological Service may have some relevant information on this in one of the reports found here. Even then though, I'm not entirely sure whether it is original research to do the calculations to make the percentage figure for the hook. Can anyone advise? Smartse (talk) 23:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
- It may fall under WP:CALC, and if in a "Notes" section, you showed a fully referenced calculation, because I assume it reduces to simply averaging percentages, I think it may be okay. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Added two more mines and changed the hook. BineMai 15:14, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
all of these articles have only one ref, and it's the same ref. Are there any additional refs? — Rlevse • Talk • 23:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Devils Brigade (album)
- ... that the Devils Brigade's self-titled album featured X drummer DJ Bonebrake and contributions from Rancid's Lars Frederiksen?
Created by IllaZilla (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:05, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the "Devils Brigade" started on the Golden Gate Bridge and went halfway to hell? (Possible Halloween DYK? Could delete the halfway to hell bit, it's a bit of a stretch from one of the song titles) Le Deluge (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- Halloween alt ... that the "Devils Brigade" was conceived to tell of 19 men who went halfway to hell? - works for me and has refs Victuallers (talk) 15:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Tweaked spelling slightly in Halloween alt --Demiurge1000 (talk) 06:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
appr and move to halloween set. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
For 31 October, Hallowe'en
The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. My interpretation of whats happening is ... 1. Move your hook to the bottom of the page (ie here) 2. You may get some more macabre, funny etc suggestions for a hook and it should get DYKtick'ed. 3. Then after its been there about 24 hours or so it gets moved off to the dedicated page. 4. Then about three or four days before Oct 31 we sort out the 40 or so hooks into "8"s (so they are ready to load on the 36 hours or so that is Halloween internationally). 5. We do the awards and 6 .... and please help with all of this. It only works if we all do a bit Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Paracas Textiles
- ... that the Paracas Textiles (pictured) found wrapped around 2,200 year old mummies show a winged shaman carrying a severed head by its hair?
- Comment: for Halloween?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 20:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Beginning of the End
- ... that it may have cost $300,000 to have giant radioactive mutant locusts attack Chicago in 1957?
5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that after they saw a dinosaur attack New York City in 1953 and giant ants attack Los Angeles in 1954, Americans saw giant radioactive grasshoppers attack Chicago in 1957? - Tim1965 (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Beginning of the End could not begin until 200 grasshoppers had been sexed?
- Must admit, I don't think this is really a Halloween one, especially given that we're not short of Halloween ones. Halloween fans may like to look at two regular DYKs above that I've flagged as possibles, although they're still in the main queue at present. Le Deluge (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
- Monster movies have nothing to do with Halloween? - Tim1965 (talk) 02:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Ben Cooper, Inc.
- ...
that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in 1990?
- Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Ben Cooper, Inc., the "Halston of Halloween", said it sold a scary 4 million Halloween costumes in the United States in 1990?
- Hook corrected to show where costumes were sold. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
- "Halston" means nothing here ... you also have "High Priest of Halloween" ... I'd tic that? oops OK! Victuallers (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- Halston means a lot in the fashion world. I've wikilinked it. (Don't forget to sign your post!) - Tim1965 (talk) 01:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- Only in places where there's a JC Penney. Trust me, that subclause just doesn't work outside the US, and to be honest it's redundant, it could just be struck out entirely. Or as Victuallers says, the "high priest" version is a ready-made alternative that needs no knowledge of US culture, and thus is a better hook. WTGR Tim, you really need to think a bit more globally - 50% of en.wiki users are outside the US, and that proportion is growing. Le Deluge (talk) 08:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
- It doesn't appear, Le Deluge, that you know who Halston was. He was internationally famous (he designed Jacqueline Kennedy's iconic pillbox hat outfit, which had worldwide recognition), and was well-known throughout Europe and portions of Asia. His recognizability is perhaps more time-bound (who knows who he is today?), but the quote was from 1979 (when he was still a worldwide icon of high couture and not a budget-conscious caricature as he was at the end). Accusing someone of ethnocentrism is, I don't think, an appropriate response to the proposed hook (especially if you don't know that person, or their contributions). If you are concerned that hooks are not worldwide in nature, I can only respond that 1) That is not a DYK criteria and 2) 17 of the accepted 22 hooks for this year do not involve worldwide topics. A far more appropriate criticism of the hook would be that it does not say where Ben Cooper, Inc. sold 4 million costumes (a very legitimate issue which I will correct). - Tim1965 (talk) 19:10, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
- ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?
- ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?
Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
--K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
- Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. SilverserenC 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? SilverserenC 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support' as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Arsenikk. The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
See also
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