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At least 21 are killed and more than 35 people injured in a suicide attack at one of the residential entrances to district Kadhimiyah, in northern Baghdad, Iraq. ISIL claims responsibility, as published in its official media. (CNN) (Iraqi News)
The leader of the Australian delegation says the country's athletes would not be checking in at the athletes' village because it's unsafe for human habitation. Australian athletes have been staying at nearby Rio de Janeiro hotels. (The New York Times)
Nepal's Prime MinisterKhadga Prasad Oli resigns minutes before parliament was to vote on a no confidence motion he was likely to lose, after allies of his multi-party coalition leave the government accusing him of not honoring power sharing deals that helped him assume office in October 2015. (The Hindu)(Reuters)
The International Olympic Committee states it considers all Russian athletes tainted by the country’s state-run doping scheme but individual athletes can compete in 2016 Games if they are able to convince individual sports federations of their innocence. A daunting task for these organizations to handle hundreds of appeals just 12 days before the start of the Rio Games on 5 August. (The New York Times)(AP & NBC News)(rt.com)
Russia to be banned from Rio 2016?
[1] Looks like all the 387 sportspeople, not just track and field. Nergaal (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not a great source per WP:PUS. RS say a decision by the IOC is still to be made. Gap9551 (talk) 03:23, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We are definitely not going off the Daily Mail as the only source. If this actually happens, yes, it's big news, but all indicators suggest it's limited to track and field. --MASEM (t) 03:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Munich Police Chief Hubertus Andrae identifies the attacker as a dual national, 18-year-old Iranian-German who apparently acted alone. He was found dead of a suspected self-inflicted gunshot wound to his head. (Reuters)
Chief Andrae reports there are "no indications" the teenage gunman, who killed nine people and apparently himself, had links to ISIL or any other terror group. The attack injured 27. (NBC News)
Floods kill at least 154 in China and 300,000 people are being evacuated in Hebei province. Villagers have accused local officials of covering up the extent of the damage. (AP via The Daily Mail)
Hawaii GovernorDavid Ige declares a state of emergency as Tropical Storm Darby is on track to reach the U.S. state's Big Island today with maximum sustained winds approaching 50 mph (80 kph). The storm, which previously was a Category 3 hurricane, could produce up to 15 inches (40 cm) of rain. (Reuters)(NHC)
A bus from Wales carrying 50 people, including 41 teenagers, tips over in eastern France, injuring 13, two seriously. (Reuters)
Article:July 2016 Kabul bombing (talk·history·tag) Blurb: Two Islamic State suicide bombers blow themselves during a peaceful protest in Kabul killing at least 61 and wounded 200 others. (Post) Alternative blurb: A peaceful protest in Kabulis disrupted by two Islamic State suicide bombers, killing at least 61 and injuring 200. Alternative blurb II: Two ISIS suicide bombers blew themselves during a peaceful protest in Kabul killing at least 80 and wounded 260 others. News source(s):BBCAljazeera Credits:
Support, with a bit more time for stability - I've added an altblurb. Significant event, just would give this a few more hours to let details firm up to improve the article. --MASEM (t) 13:34, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Considerable death toll even for Afghansitan, article is approaching postable state. Brandmeistertalk 15:11, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Notable, article looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - One thing wiki is good at is acknowledging terror attacks in the third world equally with the first world. This is something the MSM has allegedly failed to do. (I don't watch them, so don't know)--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support story as this stands out from recent mass death events with the exception of Nice.
Maybe I'm being a bit nit-picky here, but I feel both blurbs are a bit loaded. We didn't feel the need to mention that the crowds at Bastille Day were peaceful, despite the origins of Bastille Day and the fact that France has had a turbulent couple of years (Charlie Hebdo, the November bombings, Nice, the trouble at Euro 2016, widespread and quite significant protests at the labour laws, large scale trouble at Calais and so on). It reads to me as though we are conveying surprise that people in Kabul were behaving peacefully before being attacked. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mentioning that the attackers in either case attacked where there was a mass gathering is a significant part. In the Kabul case, they were gathering to protest, but obviously not in a violent manner, so it is necessary here to make that distinction that it wasn't like hundreds gathered with guns and were fighting. --MASEM (t) 18:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose using the term "Islamic State"; the title of the article should be used(or its abbreviation ISIL). 331dot (talk) 19:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but change blurb "blow themselves" is a double entrendre, "disrupt" is a bit of an understatement. Perhaps say Suicide bomb attack in Kabul kills at least 80 and wound 260 others. 108.12.164.219 (talk) 01:49, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - but link the event article in bold. Gap9551 (talk) 02:13, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Use first alternative blurb, but change the number of supposed casualties to 80, and the number of injured to 260. -Ano-User (talk) 05:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Tim Kaine picked as Clinton's running mate
ITN doesn't give the results of the US presidential nominations race for the two major parties, so the name of a running mate isn't the stuff of ITN either. BencherliteTalk 10:09, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Surprised not to find it here. The vice presidential pick is generally assumed (although there is contrary evidence) to have a significant impact on the race. In this particular case, the selection of Pence has a significant impact on the ability of Clinton to either unify the party or reach out to those outside it. His selection will likely dominate the news for the next few days and will be referred to in any significantly detailed analysis of the election. Chris vLS (talk) 07:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is not a breaking news ticker; this is not the sort of event that is typically posted(the selection of lower-ranked officials); they all have to choose someone and this choice isn't groundbreaking or unusual. We didn't post Pence. If Clinton/Kaine wins the election, it will be posted then. Posting the selection of the ticket would be a slippery slope. 331dot (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As surprised (and added rationale above). Vice president is often considered useless, but not minor. In the U.S. system, there's no slippery slope danger, I wouldn't think. That said, if it wasn't done for Pence, probably shouldn't do it for Kaine -- unless we have done it four years ago . . . Thanks! Chris vLS (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The slippery slope I refer to is that of posting the selection of lower-ranked officials(vice presidents, cabinet officials); if it's done for the US, it will need to be done for other countries, which turns this into a political news ticker. 331dot (talk) 08:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I still think that it's distinguishable from a cabinet post. Fortunately for non-U.S. politicians, there aren't a lot of offices like it. But fair enough. Cheers.Chris vLS (talk) 08:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Thousands gather in Istanbul's Taksim Square in a show of support for the new powers that President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has received in order to crackdown on dissent following the attempted coup. (The Telegraph)
China begins demolishing buildings and evicting residents at Larung Gar in Tibet, one of the largest religious institutes in the world. Officials put forward overpopulation and security as the leading reasons for the planned action. (BBC)(AP via ABC News)
Please offer news sources indicating this is in the news, and an article to evaluate for its quality. Typically, the template given at the top of the infobox is copied with the appropriate information filled in. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the standard template. Andrew D. (talk) 09:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - loaded blurb and if we post one world record, we post 'em all. And with Rio round the corner, that makes ITN a World Record ticker. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The previous record stood for 28 years. The Olympics is a special cluster of sports news and so will presumably go into Ongoing. Andrew D. (talk) 10:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This will set the precedent. My !vote stands. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:24, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment, we do regularly post breaking of 100m and marathon records. And perhaps some other long-standing records in athletics, I don't remember, was it the pole vault? --Tone 10:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did we post the London Marathon record? The 100m records haven't been broken since 2009 and 1988 respectively so when did we post them? In any case, for a more professional blurb, we should be including Women's 100 metres hurdles world record progression as a link and state the record has been 28 years in the breaking, not some pointy flimflam about not being selected for the Olympics. Oh, and the time hasn't been ratified, but that's not a major hurdle... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we have posted some previously (based on a search for world record in the candidates archives so not necessarily complete):
solo around-the-world sailing record in 2008 (I think because of poor article update and/or disagreement about the word "fortnight" in the blurb)
world record in men's 10 m Air Rifle in 2008 (because it didn't meet "the ITN sports criteria for a WR?: "that is broken either: by an unusually large margin, after a very long time period, or in a highly publicized event" ")
800 metres world record in 2010 (mainly because it was his own record from a matter of weeks previously)
@Thryduulf: Yes, we did post all the records listed above but none of them have ever stood for almost 28 years. The women's 4x100 relay world record was broken at the London Olympics after 27 years and was posted with a separate blurb because of its rarity and greatness of achievement. I'd have definitely not supported this had its progression been on a year-after-year basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiril Simeonovski: I'm unsure what your point is here my post was just a factual listing of what was and was not posted in response to a question asking what had been posted previously, I have expressed no opinion either way on whether this should be posted or not (and currently have no plan to express such an opinion). Thryduulf (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: Well, sorry for that. I've apparently made a misunderstanding of your comment while reading the whole discussion. It's fine having that listing in a chronological order. :)--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:45, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Breaking a world record that stood for nearly 28 years is a big and notable accomplishment. I'd still prefer a clearer blurb without mentioning other results from her recent career (see altblurb).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on the general principle that a decades-long worlds record is broken. --MASEM (t) 13:35, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Wow, that was a new record long overdue. Support also the -news-y- proposed blurb as that is part of what makes it all the more interesting. L.tak (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support only posting the 28yr old part. Nergaal (talk) 17:53, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support for alt 2. It is the long-standing nature of the record which tips the balance for me, and oppose any posting which doesn't mention this for fear of setting too easy a precident. Would recommend bolding the athlete's article ahead of the event's, as the former is in better condition and is the one which actually has a text update. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb2. Outdoor athletics World records in Olympic events are some of the most notable World records in sports. This is the first one since August 2015, and it broke one of the infamous records by Eastern European women during communism (widely believed to have been systematically doped). PrimeHunter (talk) 18:50, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb2 and bold the athlete article, which is in much better shape and more or less ready. Breaking a nearly three decade long record in a track event seems to be enough for posting. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:07, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted (alt 2). No image though, the one in the candidate is terrible, and seems to be the only choice. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Imbrium Basin formed as a result of an impact with a proto-planet
Nominator's comments: In the period between 4.1 and 3.8 billion years ago, the so-called Late Heavy Bombardment occurred during which the inner solar system was blasted by asteroids. But we don't know a lot about the nature of these asteroids, whether they were comets, if water was brought to the Earth via these impacts. The newly determined size of the Imbrium impactor being so much larger than the previous estimates will lead to a different pciture about the late heavy bombardment. The breakup of a large impactor when it collides with the Moon or other planet causes large chunks of it to escape back into space, these will then impact planets later. So, some considerable fraction of the smaller impacts due to kilometer sized asteroids were in fact due to chunks blasted off the larger impactors. Count Iblis (talk) 20:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question can you expand on the significance of this for normal folks? What's the context? What's the impact (heh!)? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, still don't get the significance. Sorry. Oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course you don't get the significance. Why don't you just go back to tmz/gawker, to see whether they have anything you can nominate. 79.193.104.97 (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, still not getting it. tmz? gawker? Sorry, I prefer the BBC, CNN, Reuters etc. Perhaps you misunderstand the purpose of ITN, my anonymous buddy! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If I could state the significance in another way - this early period in the formation of our solar system had a huge impact (pun intended) on the development of the chemistries, atmospheres, and life formation processes of our planets (and their moons), but there are so many things about this period that we still don't know. The discovery suggests that this period was very different than we thought, with huge, planet-like objects, no longer present today, flying around and colliding with other planets and moons. That's a big deal, and that's why the topic has gotten so much coverage in the press in the last 48 hours. -Darouet (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; doesn't seem to be in mainstream news, just science-related publications. Probably too esoteric. 331dot (talk) 21:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support: this is an important discovery and there has been substantial coverage in the media over the last two days. The notion that planet-sized objects were flying around our solar system and colliding with existing planets and their moons, just when life and associated chemistries and atmospheres are beginning to form, is surprising and interesting. The discovery would also go a long way towards explaining why the moon still looks the way it does to us today. -Darouet (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The interest factor here is the sheer size of the colliding object, and – given the probability of fragments re-colliding – speculation as to its composition. That is significant and (provided the speculation is of a scientific rather than media-led nature) encyclopaedic. But given that it was already known that celestial objects collided during this period, and therefore, logically, this impact crater would have been caused by one of the larger ones, I struggle to see how the upgraded estimate of the object's size falls into the bracket of news. StillWaitingForConnection (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have to think about importance, but on the blurb, can we make sure to reflect that this is a proposed, peer-reviewed theory? (eg instead of "formed", use "is postulated to have formed..." or the like). --MASEM (t) 22:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - it's been a while since we've posted a science-related item. This item however I am not sure about. It seems pretty dull. That the basin was formed by a collision is obvious. The LHB period is also well-established. Significance here seems to be about the size of the impacting object, which is fine and all but is interesting only to specialists (hence the narrow nature of the sources cited). As an evolutionary bit of science I am not convinced it is worthy of posting. Banedon (talk) 07:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Covered by the BBC. I will say the BBC article does make it sound quite a bit more interesting than the more science-specific coverage. Probably out of necessity. Personally I found the explanation for why the man in the moon has an eye at all a bit interesting. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:25, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] MH370 Pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah practiced beforehand
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Article:Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (talk·history·tag) Blurb: MH370 Pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah practiced suicide routes deep into the remote southern Indian Ocean on his home flight simulator. (Post) News source(s):NYMAG Credits:
Nominator's comments: "The document presents the findings of the Malaysian police’s investigation into Zaharie. It reveals that after the plane disappeared in March of 2014, Malaysia turned over to the FBI hard drives that Zaharie used to record sessions on an elaborate home-built flight simulator. The FBI was able to recover six deleted data points that had been stored by Microsoft Flight Simulator X program in the weeks before MH370 disappeared, according to the document. Each point records the airplane’s altitude, speed, direction of flight, and other key parameters at a given moment. The document reads, in part:
"Based on the Forensics Analysis conducted on the 5 HDDs obtained from the Flight Simulator from MH370 Pilot’s house, we found a flight path, that lead to the Southern Indian Ocean, among the numerous other flight paths charted on the Flight Simulator, that could be of interest, as contained in Table 2."
Taken together, these points show a flight that departs Kuala Lumpur, heads northwest over the Malacca Strait, then turns left and heads south over the Indian Ocean, continuing until fuel exhaustion over an empty stretch of sea." Count Iblis (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Speculation by correlation. (Especially as it seems NY Magazine is breaking this ... NYMag is not the National Inquirer or the Daily Mail, but they're not the NYTimes or BBC either...) --MASEM (t) 20:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Single source information, and not of the highest caliber. Needs other news agencies pick it up and have more firm proof and response from officials/investigators. -- Fuzheado | Talk 20:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Surprised there's no calls to ban Microsoft Flight Simulator X...--WaltCip (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose as we're not a British tabloid, and so we don't put crap speculation on our front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] 2016 Munich shootings
Article:2016 Munich shootings (talk·history·tag) Blurb: Police hunt attackers after shootings in Munich (Post) Alternative blurb: Police hunt attackers after at least six people are killed in shootings at a shopping centre in Munich. Alternative blurb II: At least eight people are killed in shootings at a shopping centre in Munich. News source(s):BBC Credits:
Nominator's comments: Seems like big breaking news Andrew D. (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Compelled to do so, under the circumstances. -- Fuzheado | Talk 18:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Lean support but wait on details There is word people have been killed, which would be easily a support, but its not confirmed when I just checked the BBC. I would lean oppose if it is just shots with no injuries. --MASEM (t) 18:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Now Support but wait for stability with confirmation of 6 deaths. --MASEM (t) 19:38, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait let's not do another "The ed17". There's certainly a story here, but please wait until some confirmation is made. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's an accurate observation of previously prematurely posted articles. There was no spirit of comity or collaboration when those were made, this is not a personal attack, it's serious and hard-hitting advice to any admin who wants to post this item before it's mature and before there's a consensus to do so. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't the place for further pot shots, if you're unable to communicate behavioral concerns civilly and in the appropriate forum you should refrain from commenting at all; you discussed this issue at length at AN were advised by the closing admin to "learn to let it go"; I will reiterate the advice that per WP:NPA you should not be derogatively commenting on other contributors, and this is doubly unacceptable from an administrator. Please continue conducting yourself according to the standard that is expected of you and leave the dire "advice" to be given by users with a less emotional involvement. Swarm♠ 20:58, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is precisely the place to warn people to stop behaving like other admins (and WMF employees) and an explicitly important message to all of those with an itchy trigger finger. Your attempt to berate me is pointless and is insulting to those who actually actively work hard as admins with the trust of the community, who act in line with the community consensus. You're a poor apologist for a rogue admin who should be de-sysopped. My post here is intended to remind other possible rogue admins that such actions will not be tolerated. Not one personal attack has taken place here, it's all pure fact. If you don't understand that, perhaps you should do something else instead. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait but I don't think we'll need to wait long. See the 19:53 update at [3] which cites "local media" saying the police are describing it as an "acute terror threat". Media is also coalescing around a figure of 6 deaths, I've added an altblurb with this. Thryduulf (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this shouldn't be posted in its current state, regardless. There are too many unreferenced claims. Pause. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The hatnote on a breaking news article already provides a clear warning to any reader. "This article documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses, and initial news reports may be unreliable." We've had this back and forth before - the value of a news box is that we highlight... news! That we would intentionally not inform front page visitors that we have an active article about the topic is reducing our relevance and usefulness. (And as in previous conversations, let's not debate WP:NOTNEWS) -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, this isn't a ticker, there are problems with the article, we need to get a consensus to post and that the consensus agrees the quality is sufficient. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. The event is almost certainly significant, but the facts are very confused and our article is poorly developed with few details yet and very scrappy writing and structure. I would help improve it but don't have time right now. Fences&Windows 19:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's in a much better state now, so I don't mind it having been posted. Fences&Windows 07:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, since just saying wait seems not to care anyone. Please everyone remember that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Just have some patience. --bender235 (talk) 19:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:NOTNEWS carefully and you'll discover that it's about original research, notability and reliable sourcing. It is not an argument against timeliness. -- Fuzheado | Talk 19:58, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And please recall that recent events just here have seen rogue and subsequently admonished admins making rash and hurried decisions against consensus and without due care and attention. There is no need to rush into this, so stop harassing those who think a pause is a good idea here. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Referring to and quoting policy is "harassing someone?" That's a very warped definition of harassing, which I think explains a lot. -- Fuzheado | Talk 20:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to and misusing policy is harassing people. Now I'd advise you to stop that please, after all we'd hate to see another admin lost to the four corners for lack of competence. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information We aren't going to post breaking events if WP:V and general base quality standards can't be met by the articl. --MASEM (t) 20:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for now. The article is in a terrible shape, and it currently has an unacceptable title ("2016 Munich terrorist shooting attacks", seriously? we don't use "terrorist" in most titles even when it's a known terrorist attack, partly because of WP:TERRORIST, and here we go ahead and use it in the title even though we hadn't know anything at all about the events or their motives at this point?). It might be of limited worldwide interest, too, depending on the direction it develops in. LjL (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Another alt blurb added. We need to ensure the article is reflective of this, but otherwise I see no reason to delay now, eight people in a Western European city have been killed by gunmen, that's rare as, regardless of the perps. Get the article up to snuff and it's good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:52, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted now article reflects reality and we have verifiable sources and a consensus. Expect further changes... but take them to WP:ERRORS please. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You complained about early posting against consensus, but to be honest, I almost only see "wait"s and some "opposes" here, followed by your "to me it's ready to post" and shortly followed by your posting it. I'm just saying... LjL (talk) 21:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I checked the article, made a few edits, checked the reliable sources, made a few changes, checked the votes, assessed that eight people shot to death in a European city was news, and posted it. So I respected all parts of the process. Next question? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All the parts except the one called WP:CONSENSUS (which is not just "checking the votes", but you know, respecting them), which IIRC was the thing that you most accused the aforementioned "bad admin" of breaking. LjL (talk) 21:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are you being deliberately funny? The ed17 posted the previous story inside SEVEN MINUTES. Get a grip. We have a known number of victims, we have established, verifiable sources, we have a number of the community saying "wait" until something concrete (well, eight dead in Munich is concrete). If you wish to continue this debate, take it to my talk page, or ANI or Arbcom or somewhere, because this is becoming a little tiresome. Learn the difference between rogue playmaking with the main page, and respect for Wikipedians' opinions and how ITN works, then get back to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:25, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support TRM's WP:BOLD admin decision. There are stories that ITN runs regardless of what the hard vote count says. This is one of them. If he believes that the article referencing is up to snuff, I trust his judgment.--WaltCip (talk) 23:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support TRM's WP:BOLD admin decision. As one of the people voting "wait" I intended my vote to mean "I support the significance of the story, but do not post until there is enough concrete information for a reliable blurb and the article is in good shape. If those criteria are met before my next visit to the page there is not need to wait for my return before posting." In this case TRM spent 20 minutes assessing and improving the article a couple of hours after a very major news story first broke before posting, after explicit support for the significance of the event. This is very significantly different to what Ed did. Thryduulf (talk) 11:36, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It was obvious this was going to be posted. Not a terrible call to post when TRM did, though I was also following the article at the time and personally would have waited a bit longer. At the time, the number of shooters, number of locations, and other details were still in flux. The amount of material based on weak sources (e.g. twitter and speculative reporting) was still higher than I would generally like. As it happens, another 90 minutes or so did a lot to clarify what happened. Dragons flight (talk) 16:40, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Removed] Remove Pokemon Go from ongoing
It's been there for about a week. The main news now is that it is becoming available in more countries, which are not updates strong enough to make it still relevant for ITN ongoing. We posted it as ongoing as we could not agree on a blurb, a blurb would roll off the Main page by now. Suggesting to do the same now. --Tone 17:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral – Still circulating the news quite a bit and it remains a huge sensation; the article is still getting hundreds of thousands of views daily. However, things do appear to be calming down and editing is getting less frequent. Most of what I have done is small statistical updates, the biggest news appears to have passed. I do have a personal bias toward keeping the article (huge Pokémon fan and I've invested a lot of time improving the article) but objectively it's getting close to that time for taking it down. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:50, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It ran its course. If a particularly crushing news story comes up claiming it's the most widely used mobile app in the world, we can maybe consider reposting it.--WaltCip (talk) 18:16, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Indian Air Force plane gone missing, article is only a paragraph right now but I am sure will be updated more as more information is added. Andise1 (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Even if mostly military personal , still a significant aviation incident. I just would give this a few hours to make sure details stablize or if more can come out, as the article is a tad short. --MASEM (t) 16:49, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Eight people on board were civilians so I think it's notable enough to have its own article. Andise1 (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only if one or more of them are notable enough for their own article. Not my words. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would point out that AIRCRASH is only describes cases where there is reasonably clear presumption for a standalone article, not when there should not be an article. While there is no case in this story that meets AIRCRASH, it still appears to be getting sufficient coverage to pass NEVENT even if there are no notable persons aboard. --MASEM (t) 14:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The article is not nominated for deletion, isn't in too bad a shape, and this is in the news. WP:AIRCRASH has never been a particularly good predictor of AfD outcomes. Thryduulf (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Time to report the death of another historic figure, the VCR . Leaving jokes aside, it is a very notable technology of the past that I think is worthwhile pointing out. Nergaal (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you use the template like everyone else and actually propose a blurb. Andise1 (talk) 15:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even with a proper blurb, this is only in Japan, not worldwide. And with physical-based distribution, there will be a huge tail before it "dies". --MASEM (t) 15:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mu until a template is used for this nom.--WaltCip (talk) 15:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Christ, you guys are babies. I've added the template, and Oppose per masem. Isa (talk) 18:56, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose but consider DYK if enough can be said about it. Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it's not Japan that stops producing, but rather the last existing producer of VCRs (who happens to be Japanese). Obviously notable, a once a groundbreaking and gamechanging technology dies. 79.193.104.97 (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since this has been re-opened. I expect it to be re-closed in the next hour or so. This is tech-trivia, not ITN in any way, shape or form. Regardless of the malformed nomination and the subsequent actions. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Others would call the celebrity stuff (of the Kardashian caliber) you consistently nominate trivia... 79.193.104.97 (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hilarious. Give me one example of such, I dare you!! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as much as I love old technology. This is not something "in the news". LjL (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Article needs some improvement, but otherwise a significant story, with several medallists also involved. Brandmeistertalk 12:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support and comment Might be worth tying this in with a super-blurb of what's happening to the Russians too. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 12:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ... and? This are findings that allow them to initiate full-on investigation towards the athletes in question (as per the IOC statement), which will likely end up with various bans, medal stripping, etc. (since a lot of these were medal winners). This also appears to be something they plan to keep ongoing (the 3rd and 4th waves mentioned) through Rio 2016. The final results will be of note (as in the case of the Russia doping, the announcement they were barred from an international event). --MASEM (t) 14:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That they will be (most likely) barred or stripped off medals is rather an expected and natural consequence based on findings. Tomorrow or the day after IOC also plans to decide what to do with Russian team anyway. Brandmeistertalk 14:47, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But they are being given the nature of a trial, so innocent until proven guilty and all that. At the point they are banned/stripped is when we should post. --MASEM (t) 15:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well the key difference here is that the Russian athletes as a group have been found guilty and now individuals have to prove themselves innocent in order to compete. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not every athlete in this current finding is Russian, though. I saw across the board of nationalities represented. From what I read, the doping by the Russian track + field team is a separate investigation (across all track & field competitions) while this IOC is specifically looking at the 2008 + 2012 Summer Games. There might be overlap, but we should be careful to conflate. --MASEM (t) 16:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning support. On top of the previous finds, almost 10% of the selected samples for reanalysis points to doping. That number is huge, but this is not very obviously covered in the news, nor it is well covered here (in the linked article). Nergaal (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait - Agree this is huge in terms of scope and profile, but as @Masem: points out, we need to know the fallout and not just the findings before it's a headline story. -- Fuzheado | Talk 16:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Following the Nampala attack, the government of Mali declares a three-day mourning period for the 17 soldiers killed in the attack, as well as a state of emergency for three months across the country. (Reuters)
Breitbart tech editor and outspoken conservative gay activist Milo Yiannopoulos with more than 338,000 registered followers is "permanently" banned from Twitter. (Guardian)
A Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) ship rescues 209 people, including 50 children, from two dinghies in distress in the Mediterranean Sea but finds 22 dead bodies, 21 women and a child, lying in a pool of fuel in the bottom of one of the boats. The dinghies were 17 miles east of Tripoli, Libya. Cause of death is unknown, though an MSF official says it could be that fumes from mixed fuel and water rendered the people unconscious. The MSF ship is expected to arrive in the Sicilian port of Trapani on Friday.(Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: Prolific critical journalist, very probably murdered Yakikaki (talk) 14:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Lots of news coverage, detailed article. -- Fuzheado | Talk 14:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support contingent on the one very important [citation needed] tag being resolved. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't find any claim online and in English that supported the sentence, so I took the liberty of removing it. It can always be put there again if it turns out it was true. Yakikaki (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: American socialite and philanthropist. Statements in artilce are cited to reliable sources. MurielMary (talk) 11:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'd feel better if there was some more mainstream news sources(outside of niche sources). 331dot (talk) 11:40, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently that's no longer a criteria under the new rules? MurielMary (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated RDs must still be shown to be In The News- that has never changed. I'm not necessarily saying that the sources you have given mean otherwise- just that some more mainstream ones would make me feel better about it. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Per331dot, the requirement that nominations actually appearing in news sources has not been removed. What has been removed is people's personal likes or dislikes, awareness of or lack of awareness of, and other similar criteria based on people's opinions of "importance" or "merit" or "notability". --Jayron32 16:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - If the person is important or notable, the article needs to be properly and sufficiently cited as such.--WaltCip (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The person is already established as being notable as they have a WP article (non-notable = no article). The article is already cited to reliable sources. Not sure of the basis of the opposition vote? MurielMary (talk) 22:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The notability needs to be verified. That's the basis of the opposition vote.--WaltCip (talk) 15:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the response WaltCip. However, the place to discuss notability of a subject is in a "article for deletion" nomination. The new RD criteria only deal with quality of article. MurielMary (talk) 20:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment have added two further sources, from NY and the UK. Jayron and 331dot can you direct me to where the criteria of "mainstream sources" is recorded in the RD criteria? Thanks MurielMary (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article length and sourcing is good. While this death happens to be on the NY Times front page, I agree that even if the death is mentioned in a very smalltown newspaper's obituary section, as long as we have a quality article it must be posted under the new criteria. Mamyles (talk) 20:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose while I agree with the majority of the previous post, this is hardly a comprehensive article, it's just about avoiding having a stub tag. 36 years of her life are completely overlooked, presumably when she was most active as a socialite and making the most of life, so I can't support the article in its current, incomplete state. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except for her husband having an affair, what is missing from the article? It seems pretty much in line with the NY Times source. She was known primarily for hosting parties with a lot of powerful friends, and writing books about it. Mamyles (talk) 21:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Mamyles - how is the article incomplete? What is missing? Her whole adult life is covered. Well above stub status. MurielMary (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
When I reviewed the article, there was no mention of anything that she had done (besides having three kids) between 1946 and 1982. That's what I considered incomplete. It's marginally better now. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose See, this is where the criteria fall down. Having a Wikipedia article = Notable. Why? What is she famous for? Holding parties, buying clothes, and being friends with some famous people? And people wonder why Wikipedia has a gender bias. This is not an important person. Laura Jamieson (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you are saying this person doesn't merit an article, there is a process for that. 331dot (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Therefore all the bios of socialites and philanthropists should be deleted from WP? This simply raises the inherently subjective question of "important to whom" or "notable in whose eyes". If someone is reported on internationally, both while alive and on her death, how does that fall below notability? MurielMary (talk) 23:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't waste my time. This is an inherent failing of Wikipedia, not of ITN, that unimportant people who have achieved nothing apart from being friends with other "important people" can merit articles. They certainly shouldn't be given the dignity of an RD. But, for the sake of WP:GNG, the article still doesn't explain why we should care about her. Laura Jamieson (talk) 23:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To sum up the article. Was born. Married someone. Bought clothes. Got fined for importing clothes with fake prices. Was in a bit of a scandal with her husband's mistress after he died. Threw parties. Was friends with a First Lady. Did a bit of charity. Died. Laura Jamieson (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the location to question the existence of the article. One person's 'unimportant' is another's 'very important', hence the change in RD criteria. I've said what you can do if you feel this person does not merit an article- but you declined to do so. If you do not wish to suggest the page for deletion, please move on. 331dot (talk) 00:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Meets criteria - has article, is in the news. Appears to be of sufficient quality for the front page. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Frankly, opposes about importance don't carry any weight now. If anyone wants to change the ITN/DC, there's another page for that. The article is of sufficient quality to post, marking [Ready]. Mamyles (talk) 14:46, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose at this point While well-sourced, the article is very poorly organized and not Main Page ready at present. Her "adult life" section is not organized uniformly chronologically or thematically, and could do well with some sub-sections delineating how the article should be organized. Additionally, the introduction of the article states that "[s]he was considered a fashion icon" without providing any description of what this means in the rest of the article besides "Bloomingdale began travelling to Paris regularly to view and purchase haute couture clothing. Over the coming decades she amassed a collection of over 100 gowns and outfits" and that there was an exhibit about her at a college. Finally, and perhaps a more minor concern compared to the other issues noted, is that she is noted as being a "philanthropist" in the article's opening sentence, but the article provides only sparse information about what she actually did as a philanthropist. Removing ready. SpencerT♦C 15:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the detailed analysis Spencer. I'm confused though by your comment that there is only sparse information on her charity work, as there is a complete paragraph describing this? Also the statement on "fashion icon" being unclear is odd, as the mention is followed by cited facts on appearing in best dressed lists, and supported in the article with a mention of the exhibition based on her fashion collection. MurielMary (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Short article that really needs some work to match the proper tone - it reads like a series of bullet points, instead of a biography. Challenger l (talk) 17:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment perhaps editors would benefit from reviewing the new RD criteria. This nomination is at risk of becoming stale and un-postable as it has been derailed by discussions of irrelevant points such as the type of sources considered acceptable for the death announcement (no longer required - or at least, not described in the RD criteria) and the notability of the subject (no longer required, and the "articles for deletion" process exists if editors want to pursue that discusstion). MurielMary (talk) 20:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can we post an article describing someone as a "philanthropist" when the paragraph describing her activities there is two sentences long and only contains sources showing she supported one charity? I would expect someone who was a genuine philanthropist to have sources showing far more than that. Laura Jamieson (talk) 12:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if there are reliable sources that describe her as a philanthropist (which there are in the article, although none of them are adjacent to where we use term that is something that can be fixed easily). Source 8 for example also gives details of a couple of other major charities she supported. I am not posting this at the moment, but that is because the observations by Spencer and Chalenger have largely not been addressed. The argument about this not appearing in mainstream general news media was not irrelevant - the new RD criteria explicitly did not change the requirement to be in the news, and as nothing is mentioned about how that is to be determined it is judged on the consensus of commentators, however ITN has historically given more weight to coverage in mainstream than in specialist publications; however as this has now appeared in mainstream sources the argument is moot. The argument about notability is irrelevant here, if the article exists and is not nominated for deletion then they are notable enough for RD. If you disagree they should have an article then you should nominate it for deletion, if you disagree with the GNG or how it is interpreted for specific fields then you need to gain consensus to change it at the relevant talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Well-known Romanian theater actor, the oldest one alive in Romania and one of the oldest in the world. Andise1 (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mainly unreferenced lists of non-notable appearances. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The majority of the article is a bullet list of appearances with zero sources, as TRM indicated. Challenger l (talk) 17:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives dies of prostate cancer at 49. Does need some more sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on improvement This is a tough call, because we normally don't place Congress members in RD, even incumbent ones (such as Alan Nunnelee). However, his election in 2014 was hotly contested, with Takai winning by 51–47, so his death might have a bigger impact. I think we could get this posted if we can get the article up to standard.Support based on new RD criteria; the article still has a couple of "citation needed" tags, but I don't see any glaring flaws. EternalNomad (talk) 23:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@EternalNomad: Remember that the RD criteria changed, so now we're back to posting articles as long as the quality is sufficient, regardless of our interpretation of their "super notability". – Muboshgu (talk) 23:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per new RD requirements. Article could be a little more substantive, but is sufficient for now.-Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With nothing particularly remarkable or groundbreaking about this deal, it seems unlikely it will gain consensus. SNOW close. 331dot (talk) 21:21, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Question: I'm not too familiar with the shaving industry--is this a record-breaking deal? In the Dollar Shave Club article, it says that the company has 2 million subscribers, which doesn't seem that large in the grand scheme of things, but correct me if I'm wrong. This seems like a routine corporate acquisition. SpencerT♦C 17:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose US$1 billion is fairly small in terms of business acquisitions. Unilever is a massive multinational company but I don't think purchasing a startup that has yet to turn a profit meets the bar for ITN. Also, each article only has single sentence updates. Fuebaey (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. $1 billion is pennies in the business world.--WaltCip (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As usual, Bugs Bunny, your razor-sharp wit is on point. --WaltCip (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose great advert, great story, small business transaction. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose $1B is tiny, and this is not a dramatic shakeup of the shaving industry. --MASEM (t) 21:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Mohammed Shahid Indian hockey legend of the eighties, who was part of 1980 Moscow Olympics gold medalist team, died at the age of 56.
Oppose what's there is okay, but it's a stub and not a comprehensive biography. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
{{CN}} tags need to be resolved. Seems to be longer than a stub now. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support when fully referenced. The article has enough prose now to post, although reference expansion is always welcome. Thryduulf (talk) 19:34, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article makes an uncited claim that he invented a novel hockey stroke. I played field hockey myself at school and am not convinced – it seems to have been a regular push pass with a good strong technique. Andrew D. (talk) 06:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
2016 Nampala attack: At least 12 soldiers are killed and 27 others injured after unidentified militants briefly overrun a government base in central Mali, near the border with Mauritania. The attackers also burn and loot the adjacent village of Nampala. (Reuters)
26 people who were mainly from China and aboard a tour bus die after it crashes into a highway railing while en route to Taoyuan International Airport and bursts into flames. (Reuters)
Three people are killed, including the male attacker, in a shotgun shooting outside a swimming pool in Spalding, Lincolnshire, U.K.. The victims are reported to be a 40-year-old mother and her 20-year-old daughter; both apparently knew the suspect. (Daily Mirror)
A Kansas City police captain has been shot dead in Kansas City, Kansas. One suspect is in custody and two others are possibly at large. (Breaking 911)
Angela Eagle drops out of the race and announces her endorsement of Owen Smith, the last remaining candidate to challenge incumbent party leader Jeremy Corbyn. (BBC)
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Nominator's comments: The follow up to the coup story, in some ways even bigger than the coup itself, since it reshapes Turkish government and entrenches Erdogan. About 3.5 million people work in the public sector in Turkey, which means that one in every hundred public servants in Turkey has been arrested or fired, and a third of judges and every single university dean is gone. Smurrayinchester 10:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with the nom that this is bigger than the actual coup. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 13:18, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support the idea. We need a decent blurb that's not too bloated and rambling though... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The first blurb is succinct enough, but the 2016 Turkish purges article needs fleshing out first. The actual updated content (after the background section) is mainly a timeline of events. Multiple headings proceeded by one sentence shows how sparse the article is. Fuebaey (talk) 13:38, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we need to clutter up the blurb with "alleged Gülenists." Let them read about that in the story. Sca (talk) 14:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is too restrictive, since these are biggies, but he had much more down: 24 TV stations had their licenses revoked, all public servants and all academics are restricted from leaving the country, and the latest is that 626 educational institutions were closed. We shouldn't mention specific portions of these, because the sum is much, much greater than the parts here.
Update - I think the original blurb is OK, and the updated blurb should be placed at the top of the box. Banedon (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - This is actually really big news. It could very well have major implications for democracy in Turkey. Kurtis(talk) 16:33, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I made some updates to the article, and I think it's in a decent enough shape. The original blurb is reasonable, and since Gülen is being insisted on so much by Erdogan, I think it's worth mentioning. LjL (talk) 18:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb or second alt-blurb. This is a massive story, and I think it should be posted as a new blurb rather than just an update of the existing one so it doesn't drop off prematurely. Thryduulf (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I mean 50k humans being imprisoned? That is a rather ridiculous number. Nergaal (talk) 20:28, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Legendary movie and TV show director in Hollywood. Creator of "Happy Days," and director of multiple films. Fuzheado | Talk 03:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on improvements Much of the career section is unsourced. --MASEM (t) 03:46, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Career section updated with a dozen more references. -- Fuzheado | Talk 04:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Needs sources, lead should be expanded. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Inducted into multiple entertainment hall of fames, he was a well respected director and actor who created some of the most iconic sitcoms in the 1970s. SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 04:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose until the rest of the article is adequately referenced. I keep adding {{cn}} tags where I think it needs to be addressed but a pathetic IP editor keeps removing them, and I can't be bothered to fight with them. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:44, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Citation needed concerns have been addressed and cleared. -- Fuzheado | Talk 05:54, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Subject and his most notable works are legendary, and it looks like the article has been sufficiently improved.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 06:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Three policemen and one civilian are killed in Almaty, Kazakhstan, in an attack on a police station by a radical Islamist. One gunman is reportedly still at large. (RT)
Four people have been injured after a man with an axe attacks people on board a train near Würzburg in Germany. The axeman has reportedly been shot by police and is reportedly a 17-year-old Afghan man who pledged allegiance to ISIL before the attack. (BBC), (Indian Express), (Daily Mail)
At least one person is reportedly killed and others are taken hostage after an armed group seized control of the police headquarters in the Erebuni District of Yerevan, Armenia. The gunmen are demanding the release of jailed opposition figure, Jirair Sefilian, according to Armenia's National Security Service. (RT)
UN-backed talks are underway in Tunis regarding the future of Libya, including discussions on forming a unified army for the Government of National Accord. (RTE)
Local officials report eight people were killed on Friday when their elevator fell 18 stories in an under-construction apartment building in the port city of Longkou in Shandong province of eastern China. (AP)
Nothing more productive happening here, some odd soap-boxing starting up. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support on principle but article needs work; the "field" section needs quite a bit of clean-up as it looks untidy and unprofessional. - YellowDingo(talk) 03:54, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Watching a man hitting a ball with a stick. How dull! Now when's the cricket on? SlugnutDick Laurent is dead 08:40, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this !vote should be taken into consideration because, as this is ITNR, we are not looking at the notability article but more the quality. This is borderline trolling and no help to the ITNC. I recommend the closing admin disregards this !vote. - YellowDingo(talk) 10:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC) Fair enough WaltClip; you are right so have strucken the comment. - YellowDingo(talk) 05:29, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend a healthy reading of Poe's law to both the !voter and the comment in response.--WaltCip (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:ITN/R, but maybe another picture, ideally from Stenson on a golf course, would be more appropriate. HandsomeFella (talk) 10:09, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@HandsomeFella: Just FYI support on the merits is not required with ITNR items; its presence on the list presumes such support. 331dot (talk) 10:16, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: so what should I do? Per "Please do not ... ", a simple "Support"/"Oppose" is not sufficient. And I'm not the only one to refer to that. HandsomeFella (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to say support or oppose at all with an ITNR item. Discussions on ITNR items are only to determine if the article is adequately updated and agree on a blurb. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Constructive comments about what picture to use are also welcome, and are just as important as the wording of the blurb. Thryduulf (talk) 10:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Support. I think the article is in good enough shape. The "Field" section could be better formatted but that is not a blocker imo. I do agree with HandsomeFella about the picture - we only have the one of him outdoors (see right) and that's from 2008 but I still prefer it. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Would like to see more prose in the earlier rounds, similar to Test cricket/NBA finals/World Series ITN/R articles (4 rounds/matches/games, 4 paragraph summaries). It would also help if prose was cited. The "Field" section is standard across golf major articles - I don't see a reason to change the layout to suit ITN. There's either a 2-year old picture of Stenson at an awards ceremony or an 8-year old one of the Swede at a tournament. If there's no obvious change in his visage, we could go for the latter. Fuebaey (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: we could add ", with a championship-record 20 under par total" to the blurb. It's noteworthy. HandsomeFella (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the record literally cannot be broken again (perfect score or something, note that I'm not really familiar with golf), I don't think it's necessary to include this information in the blurb. -SomeoneNamedDerek (talk) 19:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only way a "perfect record" could be scored in golf is if somebody would ace all holes, which is of course impossible. The only person ever to come close to that is the former North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il, who in 1991 (or 1994) posted a 38-under-par round of 34. The round included 11 holes-in-one, at least if you believe North Korean media.[1] Humor aside, this was the 145th Open Championships, arguably the world's most prestigious tournament. The record has received much attention in media, and is thus notable. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, that would imply that the 2016 issue is "the" championship. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment whilst the prose is a little sparse this could have been posted, except that the final round prose is entirely unreferenced. Stephen 04:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks TRM, could you proxy post this one for me as I'm on mobile for the next few hours. Stephen 07:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Shock horror, you'll get me desysopped at this rate... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:28, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would suggest to change the text to "In golf, Sweden's Henrik Stenson wins..." Thanks and regards, Biwom (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Stenson is on the front page to embarrass Americans, notably Phil Mickelson, who has the largest number of second place finishes in major tournaments. I'm sure if most other golfers had finished second to Stenson, a mediocre golfer until this tournament, nobody really would have noticed. But the Swedish and other Scandanavian editors want to sitck it to the United States, a very unpopular country to many in that part of the world. DavidSteinle (talk) 10:31, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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[closed] Baton Rouge shooting
Consensus is against posting this, at least for now. I'm closing the nomination to stop any more off-topic political discussion. If there are major developments or an article is written that would be suitable for ongoing, these can be brought to ITN/C's attention via a new nomination. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Second major attack against police officers this month. I personally lean against posting because of the risk of copycat incidents. However I will leave the discussion to the community. 116.216.0.49 (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Police relations with black people / Black Lives Matter / whatever you want to call it, it's coming to a head in the U.S. Especially with the Dallas shooting having fallen off the ticker, this story is appropriate for posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Copycats aren't likely to look to Wikipedia for inspiration. And this will likely be a major issue in the upcoming elections. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 18:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, unfortunately, we can't post every violent event to ITN. While it is one of the day's leading stories, only three were killed. Especially after the Dallas attacks, this number isn't quite as noteworthy. --AmaryllisGardenertalk 18:15, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Though Dallas is obviously very fresh, multiple shootings of police are usually very rare. Aside from the Dallas attack, I believe that it has been several years since the last time at least 3 police officers were killed in a single incident in the US. Dragons flight (talk) 18:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait If this is connected to the previous shootings/protests from last week, then we should post; on the other hand, if this is just a random crime, then it's a sad domestic crime and not ITN appropriate. I know they have pointed out Baton Rouge was one of the sites where there was protest in response to the shootings, but that only indicated a coincidence, not a consequence. --MASEM (t) 18:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose at the moment. People being shot in America, even policemen these days, is commonplace, and if this is supposed to be somehow related to the previous issues, I would seek to find an appropriate "ongoing" news story to post, otherwise this, in isolation, is not newsworthy for the whole of the English-speaking world. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:44, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well there's clearly a cultural issue going on in the US, so an article should be written, I don't think it's necessarily about angry people (per se) but yes, there's enough evidence now to construct an article reflecting these commonplace events, i.e. police shoot black people, police get shot, police shoot black people, police get shot cycle. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What evidence can you cite for your claim that the killing of American police is "commonplace"? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 21:19, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More than 1,400 in the last decade, and an average of about 50 a year shot [4]. Stephen 23:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait I do think this is going to end up on ITN especially if this is politically and or racially motivated. But the situation is very fluid and we just don't know enough to say much beyond that a shooting has occurred and three police officer have been killed. We are not a news network and there is no urgent rush to get this up. Let's wait to get enough verifiable details to actually write a decent blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, now part of the new normal of police-community relations in the US. Abductive (reasoning) 19:03, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Police officers being ambushed is not, nor will it ever be, "normal". – Muboshgu (talk) 19:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But somehow, innocent people being ruthlessly and recklessly killed by police has seemingly been "normal" in the US for a long time, with little more than some social media +1's and shrugs. So far, anyway, there is nothing in the present article clearly stating that this was an "ambush" or that it was related to the Dallas event or that it was an actual planned attack against cops rather than an exchange of fire between police and criminals as, you know, police are meant to have. Post if/when that becomes clear. LjL (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There were other incidents before and after Dallas. I supported the posting of Dallas because the shooting occurred during a protest. Ambushing the cops is more common than you might think. Abductive (reasoning) 04:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Masem, oppose for now. If this is another revenge and/or somehow related to the Black Lives Matter, then yes, but an isolated incident isn't worth posting, just like killings of police officers in countries like Iraq or Pakistan. Brandmeistertalk 19:27, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. This is plain and simple. In the USA, People. Get. Shot. All. The. Time. Because the pro-gun lobby won't institute any sort of sensible laws. This is literally old news.--WaltCip (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hatted. No need for trivial political talk on a ITNC. - YellowDingo(talk) 04:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It has nothing to do with political motives. It's a fact that these shootings are happening on a constant basis in the USA because the gun control is non-existent. That, regardless of your political beliefs or motives, is utterly and totally indisputable.--WaltCip (talk) 20:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strict gun laws didn't protect the people of Paris (several times) or Nice, did it? Your logic is not quite indisputable. If you wish to continue this, please just email me instead of continuing this here. --AmaryllisGardenertalk 22:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What? The weapon of choice in Nice was a truck. What's your point exactly? But, as you say, we shall not continue the discussion on this thread.--WaltCip (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is America we're talking about. I know that some users are borderline WP:SOAP when they mention this, but you need pretty extraordinary circumstances to post an American shooting. For example, take the Umpqua shooting, when an individual nihilist killed a dozen people. That would be remarkable in Holland, Ireland, Denmark but not in America. If there is discovered to be a terrorist organisation that is behind all of these cop-killings, I would reconsider, but at the moment this is just everyday Americana '''tAD''' (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I question your knowledge of what is and is not "everyday Americana" since you seem to have no idea. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At least 265 people are killed as a faction within the Turkish Armed Forces launches an attempted coup. An attacker drives a cargo truck into a Bastille Day crowd in Nice, France, killing more than 80 people. Sca (talk) 22:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Misconceptions aside, mass killing of police is still rare even in America. Dallas was unfortunately recent, but aside from that event it has been years since as many as three officers have died in a single event in the US. Dragons flight (talk) 21:41, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Years? The last triple homicide of US cops was in Puerto Rico[5] in December. Martin451 00:53, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My list wasn't including US territories. Perhaps that's unfair to them, but whatever. Anyway, I believe the last 3+ homicide against police to occur on the mainland (aside from the recent events in Dallas) was the November 2009 Lakewood, Washington, police officer shooting. Dragons flight (talk) 07:24, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sigh, it's just another shooting in the United States. I also don't agree with the comment immediately above that killing of police officers is "still rare" in the country, as this is the second such incident in a timescale of only ten days.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Two events in ten days, how many in the previous ten years? Happening twice doesn't mean it's not "rare". And again, since when does an event have to be "rare" to be ITN? Where's that in the criteria? – Muboshgu (talk) 22:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We've never posted an item solely based on its "rarity" but on its general significance and potential impact. Having seen that the frequency of these incidents in the country increases and the authorities do absolutely nothing to change anything means that all these events are highly insignificant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:26, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your "insignificant" is an extremely offensive statement on its own. And you can't possibly know what the impact of these shootings will be. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:35, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Letting the access to weapon be one of the freest pleasures that anyone could afford even after all this is repeatedly happening for years doesn't give me any insight that someone is worried about it. Sorry if you find this "extremely offensive" but the reality cannot be healed with grief and sorrow.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:52, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To call murder "insignificant" is offensive. And you have know way to know whether something will be done or not. ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 22:56, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as the article currently makes no claim (except for vague suggestions) that this may be either related to the Dallas attack, or generally speaking a planned attack or "ambush" against police, as opposed to an ordinary (if particularly bloody) exchange of fire between cops and ordinary criminals. LjL (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now usual American staff. Reconsideration if race motive confirmed.--Jenda H. (talk) 23:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Fourth multiple killing of US law enforcement officers this year, third in the last ten days. Two multiple killings last year including a triple homicide, three multiple killings the year before. Martin451 00:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the problem is that ITN is stuffed with high-impact items right now. If one compares this item vs. the Nice attack (with 25 times the death toll), the Turkish coup (80 times the death toll, plus it impacts the entire country's government) and Theresa May becoming UK Prime Minister (effects the entire country, with spillover to EU), this item pales in comparison. These other blurbs aren't that stale either. If this item continues to generate news - all three of the items mentioned above do - then I will change my mind. Banedon (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Silly reasoning. This wouldn't bump the Nice attack or Turkish coup or Theresa May. It would bump UEFA Euro 2016 Final. So what if it does? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:05, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it bumps the Euro 2016 final (which is also continuing to generate news items by the way) and replaces it at the bottom, I could support it. Banedon (talk) 01:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - I feel that with the recent state of police - civilian affairs, we could come up with something that cover all of it and list as ongoing, however. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 01:10, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Another week, another shooting. Call us again when some decent gun control is implemented. 131.251.254.154 (talk) 07:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose posting this(but would be open to Ongoing if there was an article to post) but can we please stop the political comments about gun control or lack thereof which aren't relevant to this discussion? Every state and the federal government have gun rights in their constitutions and it's just the way it is, no one here is going to be able to change that. 331dot (talk) 10:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Historical context between the rise of social media celebrities and traditional practice of honor killings; the new and the old. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 04:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I nominated Baloch's article for an RD listing, but this has been removed and replaced with a blurb nomination. Can editors comment on whether they support an RD or a blurb - it's not clear which would be more appropriate here. She was a notable person (hence her article in WP), but also her death is newsworthy. MurielMary (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD. A notable, sudden death of a controversial celebrity -- but I don't think she meets the requirements for a blurb. The article is in a decent shape. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:47, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD only tragic but not Bowie, Mandela etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
These are standard yardsticks for blurbs on the dead. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If they have to be as important as Mandela, that would pretty well rub out the RD section. Or is that what you had in mind anyway? ←Baseball BugsWhat's up, Doc?carrots→ 18:16, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Don't nitpick what people say, just for the hell of it, it's not very becoming. David Bowie, Prince, Michael Jackson did not bring down apartheid, but their deaths were covered wall-to-wall on all corners of the globe and certainly I can remember where I was when I heard each news story, despite only having a passing interest in any of the three '''tAD''' (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you understand what I wrote Bugs, because what you said makes no sense at all. I'd leave it if I were you because it's only you that looks really foolish right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:54, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD: Wouldn't be opposed to blurb, but I think RD is more appropriate based on more limited notability than the sort of celebrities whose deaths we tend to feature. That's counterweighed somewhat by the circumstances of her death, but I still lean toward RD on balance. -Kudzu1 (talk) 07:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb The death criteria note that where the cause of death is a major story a blurb may be appropriate. Here the shocking nature of the death is undoubtedly a major part of the story (and can only be explained in a blurb), so I think a blurb is justified. However, I don't object to RD if there isn't the support for a blurb. Neljack (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb but not opposed to RD. Aside from world-transforming figures at the very top of their field, a blurb is for deaths where the death itself is the story, as Neljack states. I support his reasoning. 331dot (talk) 10:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb but not opposed to RD. - Although she is not very well known, I support the above two reasoning. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:33, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD – The only thing making her death blurb-worthy is the nature of it, her accomplishments and general notability do not warrant such in my opinion though. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 10:38, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment clearly support sufficient for RD posting, so marking as such. Discussion should now focus on whether or not a blurb is deemed appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RD only Nowhere near enough notable to qualify for a blurb, regardless of the tragic circumstances of her death. Laura Jamieson (talk) 13:11, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb If it was only an ordinary death of a notable personality than I'd say RD only, since the nature of the death is so sensational however, I support blurb. Vegemighty2 (talk) 16:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support either way I thought about nominating this yesterday but didn't. Not sure if it's better as a blurb or RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, I think her death is noteworthy enough for RD, but not a blurb. --AmaryllisGardenertalk 18:16, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
RD onlyChristina Grimmie was an Internet celebrity killed in a senseless way too common in America. This woman was an Internet celebrity killed in a senseless way too common in Pakistan. '''tAD''' (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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