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Iberian lynx The Iberian lynx (pictured) is reclassified from endangered to vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. American baseball player Willie Mays dies at the age of 93. In basketball, the Boston Celtics defeat the Dallas Mavericks to win the NBA Finals. A fire in a residential building in Mangaf, south of Kuwait City, kills fifty people. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Taylor Wily Keith Locke Jodie Devos James K. Irving Gerhard Klingenberg Daniel Patrick Reilly view — page history — related changes — edit

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September 12

Portal:Current events/2023 September 12

September 12, 2023 (2023-09-12) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Mali War Tuareg fighters from the Platform coalition of rebels capture the town of Bourem from Malian forces, bringing an end to the 2015 peace treaty between the rebels and the Malian government. (Africanews) Disasters and accidents Storm Daniel The death toll from the floods caused by Storm Daniel in northeastern Libya increases to 6,000 people, with thousands more reported missing. Government of National Stability minister Hisham Chkiouat confirms that entire neighbourhoods have been destroyed in Derna. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) (CNN) At Salzburg Zoo in Austria, a zookeeper is killed and another is injured by a rhinoceros in its enclosure. The zoo remains closed. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Health and environment The New South Wales government in Australia bans logging in a 8,400-hectare forest area, identified as home to 106 "koala hubs", as part of a conservation effort to establish a 315,000-hectare Great Koala National Park. (AFP via RFI) International relations North Korea–Russia relations 2023 North Korea–Russia summit North Korean leader Kim Jong Un arrives in Russia for a summit with President Vladimir Putin. (NBC News) Law and crime 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal The Malaysian Court of Appeal upholds the acquittal of former prime minister Najib Razak and former 1MDB chief Arul Kanda Kandasamy on charges of audit tampering related to the sovereign wealth fund's corruption investigation. (AFP via The Jakarta Post) Impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, announces an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden. This inquiry led by Representative James Comer will be conducted by the House's Judiciary Committee, Oversight Committee and Ways and Means Committee. (Associated Press) A Regional Trial Court in Pasig, Philippines, acquits Rappler Holdings Corporation and its CEO, Nobel Peace Prize awardee Maria Ressa, in the fifth and final tax evasion case against the corporation. (CNN) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Guatemalan general election The office of the Attorney General carries out raids in the offices of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal and opens electoral boxes containing the electoral ballots. The Supreme Electoral Tribunal condemns the raids. (Prensa Libre)

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September 11

Portal:Current events/2023 September 11

September 11, 2023 (2023-09-11) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Ain al-Hilweh clashes Clashes between rival factions in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in Sidon District, Lebanon, continue for the fifth day, despite a ceasefire, with five more people being killed, bringing the death toll to ten. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine says that it has recaptured from Russia four Black Sea oil platforms known as the Boyko Towers in Crimea. (Politico) (The New York Times) Disasters and accidents Storm Daniel At least 2,500 people have been killed and 7,000 others are reported missing across northeastern Libya during floods triggered by Storm Daniel. (Albawaba) International relations Dominican Republic–Haiti relations, Haitian crisis The Dominican Republic suspends the issuance of visas for Haitians and announces plans to close its border with Haiti by Thursday. (AP) Law and crime Six people are killed in a mass shooting against a vehicle in Artemida, East Attica, Greece. The six men, believed to be Turkish, were gunned down in an isolated cul-de-sac. (Kathimerini)

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RD: Ian Wilmut

Article: Ian Wilmut (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Abhishikt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 -Abhishikt (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Beat me to it! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Éva Fahidi

Article: Éva Fahidi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Storm Daniel

Article: Storm Daniel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Storm Daniel causes severe flooding across Libya and the collapse of two dams, leaving more than 2,500 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)
• Created by Abu Masr (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Might need a bit of work but definitely worthy of posting Noah, AA^Talk 14:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Libya declares state of emergency, seems to be causing a lot of damage. However, death toll does not automatically mean notability, and we should not support or oppose based off of it. This item is also getting rather stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

How is it stale when the Libya situation is just being reported? Noah, AA^Talk 15:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The storm has almost completely dissapated by now, damage has been done. I still think it would be okay to post, but if we were to we better do it soon, PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support Significant devastation, especially in Derna, and the latest reports say up to 2,000 people are believed to have died. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support. Unprecedented disaster. Storm just made landfall in Libya, so it is not stale. More than 2,000 people feared dead in Derna alone. Deadliest Medicane ever recorded. The floods in Greece and Istanbul alone are noteworthy. Here are some images from Libya; we should try to find some free ones. 50.101.173.184 (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support, however... is the Causalities section needed? It is presenting just a running total if deaths already described in the previous sections. I do see a benefit if a causality count by country table in the Aftermath section. --Masem (t) 17:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Strong support, unfortunate major disaster that absolutely deserves a place in ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I think the blurb should focus on the devastation and casualties in Libya. Johndavies837 (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality. Information on meteorological history can be greatly expanded, as well as impacts in particular countries. Certainly clears on notability though. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not going to have the time to make big updates, however, I did update the blurb and article for the deaths. News source states 2,500 dead with 1,500 bodies having been recovered. Noah, AA^Talk 22:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support, estimated death toll in Libya is more than 2000, so it's significant. -Abhishikt (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - The death toll being more than 2,000 says it all, this is a very devastating and very significant event for Libya. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 23:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:47, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment—It's expected that the death toll will exceed 10,000. I think we'll probably need to update the death toll on an almost daily basis, and it might even be prudent for us to consider whether an ongoing is warranted. Kurtis ^(talk) 10:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The death toll in the article is 2,110; the main page says "over 3000". I think we better stick to the conservative figure here, and call it "over 2,000". Renerpho (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  That point has become mute as the official death toll continues to rise. It remains important to carefully read the sources before adding figures, especially when the headline of a newspaper doesn't agree with the text. Renerpho (talk) 17:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  This was already dealt with several times over in the intervening hours. In the future, incrementing the numbers should be handled through WP:ERRORS, after the article has been updated with the most recent figures. --Jayron32 18:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Sara Sharif murder case

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Article: Sara Sharif murder case (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An international manhunt has been launched after 10-year-old Sarah Sharif was found dead at her home in Woking, Surrey, England. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Gurdian, Sky, Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Independent, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The case, despite the passage of a month, continues to be a significant event that has drawn international attention and had a profound impact on the community. The case remains unresolved and has consistently been in the headlines, capturing the attention of media outlets worldwide. Ainty Painty (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose article not in good enough shape and is an orphan. I also don't think this is of global, international significance. It just doesn't make the ITN threshold. Secretlondon (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Seems like a fairly standard local murder case, just with a wider manhunt. The Kip 17:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. This nomination goes nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as provincial. Suggest SNOW close. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - seems very local. Referenced media are all English - and since when did we use the Daily Mail as a source? Not significant. Nfitz (talk) 22:49, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 10

Portal:Current events/2023 September 10

September 10, 2023 (2023-09-10) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Ain al-Hilweh clashes A ceasefire is signed between Fatah and Islamist groups after three days of clashes in the Ain al-Hilweh Palestinian refugee camp in Sidon District, Lebanon, which killed five people and injured 52 others. (AP) 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Khartoum At least 43 people are killed and dozens more are injured by an airstrike in Khartoum, Sudan. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Russia says its air defence shot down three Ukrainian drones over Crimea, one in the northwest and two in the west of the peninsula. (Reuters) Two foreign aid workers are killed and two others are injured by Russian shelling near Chasiv Yar, Donetsk Oblast. (AP) Disasters and accidents At least 28 people are killed during a boat accident in Mokwa, Niger State, Nigeria. The boat carrying more than 100 passengers, mostly women and children, capsized along the Niger River. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2023 Malagasy presidential election Madagascar President Andry Rajoelina resigns in order to run for re-election, in accordance with the country's constitution. Rajoelina sent his resignation letter to the High Constitutional Court following confirmation of his candidature. (Reuters) Science and technology Censorship by Facebook Meta deletes Al Jazeera Arabic presenter Tamer Almisshal's Facebook profile a day after a programme aired an investigation into Meta’s censorship of Palestinian content. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup Germany wins its first FIBA Basketball World Cup, beating Serbia 83–77 in the final. Dennis Schröder is named the tournament's Most Valuable Player. (AP) Canada earns its first medal at the FIBA Basketball World Cup and its first medal at a global men's basketball tournament since 1936, after defeating the United States 127–118 after overtime in the bronze medal game. (AP) Rubiales affair Royal Spanish Football Federation president Luis Rubiales announces his resignation after having acted inappropriately during the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup final. (AFP via France 24)

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Germany wins the FIBA Basketball World Cup

Article: 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with Germany defeating Serbia in the final. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera DW Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wikipedvincent (talk · give credit), H-Hurry (talk · give credit) and Jfect22 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some work before it's ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• The text is there, just the sources need to be polished. This is a type of a good article for the sport event (once properly sourced). --Tone 12:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Category 5 hurricane/typhoon in each ocean basin in the same season for the first time in the satellite era

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Article: 2023 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ For the first time in the satellite era, a category 5 hurricane has formed in each of the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans in the same year. (Post)
News source(s): [4];[Weather of 2023 Washington Post: A first: Category 5 storms have formed in every ocean basin this year]
Credits:

• Nominated by Tenebris (talk · give credit)

 Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment For the first time since the satellite era, all three major ocean basins have produced an (equivalent to) category 5 hurricane / typhoon (some more than one). There have additionally been (equivalent to) category 5 hurricanes in the southern hemisphere: eg. Cyclone Freddy. In total, counting the southern hemisphere, there have been SIX (equivalent to) category 5 storms this year (two in Oceania, one in the Indian Ocean north of the equator, one each in the east and west Pacific, and now one in the Atlantic), but this is far less unusual in the Pacific and Indian oceans than in the Atlantic. What makes it newsworthy is that this has occurred simultaneously, for the first time in the satellite era, in all three oceans.

Although most hurricanes lose significant strength before landfall, Typhoon Mawar in the Pacific basin struck Guam as a category 4, and Cyclone Mocha struck Myanmar as a category 4. The final effects of Hurricane Lee, in the Atlantic, have yet to be determined. (Better satellite measurements, meteorological understanding, and disaster planning have thankfully led to much lower mortality than similarly-powered storms have caused in the past -- aka why WP ITN should not lean solely on death counts to analyse storms.)

I used "hurricane" rather than "typhoon" in the blurb because English-speaking WP leans toward the Atlantic. As well, the Saffir-Simpson scale is linked to hurricanes, with typhoons using a different measure. However, we could easily use typhoon, cyclone, or hurricane/typhoon instead. It is also worth noting that each of these storms developed its strength explosively (great increase in strength over a single day or two), but mentioning that in the blurb would take away from the fact that they existed at all. I used the picture of Mawar since it had the greatest land impact, but we could also use a picture of Lee since it "makes" the story. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose this is trivia, not news. And it doesn't correlate with a substantial update to any Wikipedia article. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose This is trivia and, while a striking sign of climate change, isn't a specific news event fitting in WP:ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as trivia + per above. Maybe a good DYK if one can get the article up to par, but not suited for ITN. The Kip 16:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per above. Agree with The Kip that this could be a DYK candidate. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work The news link provided didn't work so I've added a link to the Washington Post. This indicates that this particular aspect is due to ocean warming such as El Niño and that's driving a lot of extreme weather. As 2023 seems to be setting weather records in various ways, we should perhaps have a more general topic such as Weather of 2023. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  During an Atlantic high-activity era, El Niño typically results in a near-normal season and La Niña produces an above-normal season. During an Atlantic low-activity era El Niño typically results in a below-normal season and La Niña results in a near-normal season. Too much wind shear and stuff. However this is the record sea temperature year, entering uncharted territory. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Weather records (and similar such records) are not really suitable for ITN. We've had record heat waves and temperatures throughout this summer, and there were suggested to post but that didn't happen, nor should this. --Masem (t) 21:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Seems a bit of a reach - especially as two of these were months ago, and Hurricane Lee (2023) doesn't look like it's going to make landfall as a hurricane anytime soon (though might hit northern New England, or parts of Canada as a smaller Hurricane). We've had extreme climate ITNs; and we might well again soon with hurricane season in the Atlantic peaking. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Meh. I love weather, and I love tropical cyclones in particular, but this is a classic case of trivia. Issues here include such facts as A. the basins considered, while the currently active ones, are arbitrarily chosen and not all of the global basins B. the fact that what defines a category 5 is arbitrary and C. these particukar cyclones weren't concurrently occurring. SO yeah, neat, but that's about all. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 9

Portal:Current events/2023 September 9

September 9, 2023 (2023-09-09) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency warns of a nuclear threat at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant after explosions were heard near the plant amidst the Ukrainian counteroffensive. (PBS News) Arts and culture 80th Venice International Film Festival The film Poor Things, directed by Yorgos Lanthimos, wins the 2023 Golden Lion award at the Venice International Film Festival. (Euronews) Law and crime White Terror (Taiwan) Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen restores the reputations of victims of the White Terror repression, which was carried out by the Kuomintang government from the 1940s to the 1980s. The ceremony, held in Taipei, marked the first nationwide event that addresses crimes committed during the White Terror. (Taipei Times) Politics and elections 2023 Artsakhian presidential election The National Assembly of the breakaway state Republic of Artsakh elects Samvel Shahramanyan as its new president. (RFE/RL) 2023 Maldivian presidential election Maldivians vote for a president. No candidate receives a 50% majority, so incumbent President Ibrahim Mohamed Solih will face opposition candidate and Malé mayor Mohamed Muizzu in the second round on September 30. (Reuters) Sports 2023 WTA Tour 2023 US Open In tennis, American Coco Gauff wins the women's singles title at the 2023 US Open, her first major singles title, after defeating Belarusian Aryna Sabalenka in the final. (CBS Sports)

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RD: Rubén Darío Carolini

Article: Rubén Darío Carolini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario Hoy
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentine paleontologist. Discovered the Giganotosaurus. Thriley (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Coco Gauff and Novak Djokovic win U.S. Open

Articles: Coco Gauff (talk · history · tag) and Novak Djokovic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American Coco Gauff and Serbian Novak Djokovic win the women's singles and men's singles, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, the US Open concludes with Coco Gauff winning the women's singles and Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles (both winners pictured).
News source(s): [5], Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 TJMSmith (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment we usually post the men's and women's winner together since the events are held simultaneously.--Masem (t) 23:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Premature per Masem. Recommend speedy close and repost when men’s final is over. The Kip 00:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now I see no reason why we couldn't post the women's final as a blurb and then update it with the men's final once that's complete. Except for the fact that this page is not ready. All the text is in the lead, then it's just tables and tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Wait for the men's final to be finished, as per The Kip. The U.S. Open men's and women's (singles) final results are usually posted together. Vida0007 (talk) 08:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment It's bureaucratic to wait on women's because the men's match is pending. Post what's ready, and update as needed. It could be that the men's never meets quality either, or visa versa. But I agree with Muboshgu on the current quality status of the women's page.—Bagumba (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality A lot more work needed on the prose - basically just tables and trivia right now. (The target article should be the tournament, not the winner.) Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem Flyingfishee (talk) 19:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support altblurb Event is significant and article looks pretty standard compared to US Open articles from previous years. Flyingfishee (talk) 14:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Djokovic has just won the men's so have updated this as appropriate. However, pretty sure there's still article quality issues. --Masem (t) 01:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose All three US Open articles are currently a long way from suitable for the Main Page. Black Kite (talk) 10:02, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - the target article based on previous postings and ITN/R should be 2023 US Open (tennis). That is itself a long way from suitability though, no prose write-ups as yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Mike Yarwood

Article: Mike Yarwood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a fair bit of work to get it up to scratch, but achievable. - SchroCat (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose A good amount of sourcing work is necessary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Silly Billy I did some cleanup to make the article seem respectable and the readership has reached over 100K. I suppose that will be the peak and it's downhill from here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Yarwood was well known in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and should be included on that basis. Broichmore (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

  Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Ridiculous argument in the face of common sense. There’s no policy to back up that opinion. This guy has obits published in The Times and The Telegraph. Broichmore (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  The policy is WP:BLP, which requires that contentious statements about living (or recently living) people be supported by an inline citation. Until this is done the article isn't of sufficient quality to feature on the Nsin Page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  This is based on what is described on both WP:ITNQUALITY and WP:ITNRD. We literally put this in the template (which is what I was quoting). This is not my opinion, the policy is that anyone with a Wikipedia article can get RD if the article quality is good enough, fame or significance doesn’t matter. We don't just post people who are famous into RD. We didn’t post Jimmy Buffett because his article wasn’t good enough. If you don’t like that and think it’s common sense to just post regardless of quality, then start an rfc to change the current policy. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 04:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRD "...is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines". See also WP:CONLOCAL. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  Even if it isn't policy, this article is not RD quality imo but if WP as a collective decide that this article can be posted I’m not going to go against them. Also I don’t believe there’s any relevant higher community consensus for posting this that would override WP:ITNQUALITY. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  What contentious statements? This article has been improved. Broichmore (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

  You can start with the orange tagged career section and also the filmography and bibliography per WP:ITNQUALITY: Biographies of living persons are held to higher standards of referencing because of their sensitive nature, and these rules also apply to those recently deceased. Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources. Sources themselves should be checked for reliability. Generally, "orange" and "red" level clean-up tags are signs that article quality is not acceptable for the main page as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mangosuthu Buthelezi

Article: Mangosuthu Buthelezi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Zulu Leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. No issues present, all the content is supported by references.  Lefcentreright  Discuss  12:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well-referenced article does justice to its complex subject. Moscow Mule (talk) 15:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well-sourced and it gives a good view on the subject. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 18:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support I see 1-2 uncited statements but that shouldn't hold this well-written and sourced article from posting. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Procedural support meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

September 8

Portal:Current events/2023 September 8

September 8, 2023 (2023-09-08) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Mali War September 2023 Mali attacks Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin carry out a suicide attack at a Malian military base in Gao Region. An airport employee contacted by AFP reported an attack carried out using two car bombs, accompanied by a shooting. (Africanews) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022–2023 western Russia attacks Russia's security services detain a man for allegedly plotting to blow up a railway in Crimea and collecting information on the deployment of Russian defense ministry facilities and units. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Russian elections Russia says that its air defense systems shot down two Ukrainian drones that were attempting to attack a polling station in Skadovsk, Kherson Oblast, while voting was occurring. (Al Jazeera) Bombing of Kryvyi Rih Four people are killed and 72 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. (CNN International) (Reuters) Eastern Ukraine campaign, Southern Ukraine campaign Russia says that it has repelled numerous attacks along the front line in Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia and inflicted hundreds of losses on Ukrainian forces. (Reuters) Ukraine accuses Elon Musk of allowing Russian forces to attack Ukrainian cities after it was revealed that Starlink satellite communications interfered with a drone operation by disabling a communications network near the coast of the Russian-occupied Crimean peninsula as Ukrainian drones were approaching Russian warships, resulting in a loss of connectivity. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Petroleum industry in Russia Russia's Lukoil begins shipping crude oil from Murmansk to Madre de Deus, Brazil. (Reuters) It is reported that Spain has become more reliant on Russian natural gas, with Russia's market share of total imports increasing to 28 percent in July and surpassing Algeria as Spain's second largest gas supplier. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake At least 2,012 people are killed by a magnitude 6.8 earthquake in Chichaoua Province, Morocco. Authorities declare three days of national mourning in the wake of the earthquake. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Pacific typhoon season 2023 Hong Kong rainstorm and floods Flooding occurs in Guangdong and Fujian provinces in southern China after Typhoon Haikui makes landfall over the region. Rainfall records are reported in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. (Reuters) Aftermath of the 2023 Hawaii wildfires Officials say that they plan to reopen the western part of Maui, Hawaii, United States, north of Kaanapali, on October 8. (The Maui News) International relations Armenia–Russia relations The Russian government summons the ambassador of Armenia to protest recent actions and statements undertaken by the Armenian government, amid a continuing deterioration of relations between the two nations. (Reuters) Australia–Philippines relations Australia and the Philippines upgrade their bilateral relations to a strategic partnership. (Reuters) Law and crime Corruption in Ukraine Tens of thousands of Ukrainians sign a petition asking President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to veto asset declaration legislation that critics believe could prevent officials from being held accountable by delaying a requirement to publicly declare their assets. (Reuters) Ukraine's National Anti-Corruption Bureau freezes more than $80 million in assets belonging to oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky for 48 hours as part of an embezzlement investigation. (Reuters) One person is killed and five others are injured when a car crashes into pedestrians and two other vehicles in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. The driver is arrested at the scene. (ABC News Australia) Politics and elections 2023 Russian elections Russians head to the polls to elect the bodies of local government in the country. (Reuters) Democratic backsliding in the United States Thirteen presidential centers from Herbert Hoover to Barack Obama warn of the fragile state of American democracy amidst deep national political polarization. (AP) Sports 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup Germany advances to the FIBA Basketball World Cup final for the first time after defeating the United States 113–111 in the semi-final. (Reuters)

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(Posted) 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

Article: 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 6.8 earthquake strikes Morocco, killing at least 296 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Clearly making world headlines and getting continuous coverage. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:52, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  When the blurb is posted, the number should reflect the latest death toll figure of 632 Sky News Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 06:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Significant coverage, notable effects, article is already in great shape. Fair play to the updaters. The Kip 02:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Obviously notable with a high death toll. Article generally is in decent shape for ITN. S5A-0043^Talk 03:00, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Support Death toll in the hundreds. Significant. Bremps... 03:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is good for the event. --Masem (t) 03:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support and marking as ready. Normally I'm not a fan of rapid posting, but this one is a no brainer. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - obvious Nfitz (talk) 04:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Really ought to be posted, unanimous support, and likely a very high and substantial death toll. Rest in Peace to all the victims. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 04:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Appears to be a cause of significant human displacement and of widespread structural damage, including to a World Heritage Site. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:04, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Death toll now over 600. Davey2116 (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's getting much news coverage from all over the world. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 06:57, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2023 Rugby World Cup

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Article: 2023 Rugby World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde
Credits:

• Nominated by AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PeeJay (talk · give credit), CUA 27 (talk · give credit) and AideDésintéressée (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 AideDésintéressée (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - We shall post the result my friend. Don't usually put up the opening of sports events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

You put up the opening of the Women's FIFA World Cup opening though...And it wasn't as hpyed as this Rugby World Cup Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Could get behind ongoing. If we did put up the opening of the Women's world cup then I would have disagreed with that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

We didn't, because we don't blurb sport tournament openings (except the Olympics and occasionally similar). Of course, as a fan of both, the women's football was also easily more hyped than this Rugby World Cup - anyone's view of "hype", though, doesn't affect the scale of an event and isn't a good blurb argument. Kingsif (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Support - It is a mojor event in the Rugby domain. Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is not how an ongoing nomination is supposed to be done. I have boldly fixed it. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support ongoing. Main world event in a top 10 sport featuring countries from South America, Asia, Europe, Africa and Oceania. Last version in 2019 was watched by not far off a billion people. Black Kite (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Those viewing figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. Global viewing figures for sports are very hard to ascertain, and their governing bodies have a vested interest in hyping them up to promote their product. The quoted figure of 857 million for Rugby Union (from the governing body) is absurd. The total combined populations of all of the countries where it's genuinely popular don't even amount to half that figure. Effy Midwinter (talk) 08:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, we already have several ongoing topics and I am perfectly fine with limiting the ongoing sports for the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup. No need to include more sports (basketball World Cup is taking place at the moment as well, for example). --Tone 11:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support These days Rugby (Union) is much more mainstream and played in a lot more countries nowadays than in the old elitist amateur days, with the world cup being the pinnacle of this sport Josey Wales ^Parley 11:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is becoming silly. We don't "ongoing" tournaments just because they happen to be taking place. The result of the RWC will be posted at the end as per usual and that's it. The only exceptions to this are the Olypmics and the football world cup, as the largest sporting showpieces on the planet. And those are strictly exceptions.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• We also did the 2019 Cricket World Cup, and I would expect to do the same this year. Admittedly, we're looking at a worldwide audience heading towards 3 billion with that one, not far off that of the Olympics. The cricket article also gets an insane amount of pageviews. Black Kite (talk) 12:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I am not sure about the article quality at this point. I know to expect a lot of tables for tracking this, but there seems to be a lack of prose and citations for what has happened. For example, the opening ceremony being only two sentences long seems lacking. --Masem (t) 12:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  And further, we only typically feature lengthy sporting events in ongoing if there is widespread international coverage of the event on a day to day basis. The World Cup and Olympics clearly meet this. I'm not so sure about rugby as a sport. Masem (t) 17:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major world event with worldwide media attention, and it would be a good thing to have other sports than football featured on the front page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I'll add that sports tournaments are probably the kind of stuff we should have more precise guidelines for, and, whichever way it goes, this would be a good occasion to work on setting a precedent and potentially even drafting a guideline. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Looking at the top views, it seems to be tennis that's doing best currently. But there are a lot of different sports jostling for attention and so YMMV. As they are all routine sports, WP:NOTNEWS applies. And note that rugby is a form of football too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Rugby is a form of football doesn't add anything, as it was obvious the comparison was with association football (soccer). The question is, what is a "routine sport", and what differentiates it from a sport deserving an article? Why should WP:ITN be centered around a specific sport, even though we tend to avoid biases like this in other domains (presenting news from all countries, from all topics, etc.) Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Andrew’s traditionally been opposed to any sports coverage on ITN, I’d disregard the “it’s routine” comment entirely. The Kip 01:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Page views comparison. The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup was suggested to be added to ongoing last month; it was rejected. Comparing the pageviews, basketball leads rugby although it has to be sent the basketball's world cup is nearing its conclusion, while rugby's just get started. Also, ITN doesn't base what is posted on page views but on the biases of people here, but I guess you guys should already know that ;) Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  You're right to notice that the rugby world cup just started, and that its pageviews are much more equivalent to the first days of the basketball world cup. I think we could see in the next few days how it develops, although rugby appears on a stronger rising trend? We'll see! Chaotic Enby (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  See the 2019 World Cup pageviews (FIFA-W vs cricket vs rugby vs basketball); all world cups except for basketball lasted for more than a month, while basketball's took just over 2 weeks. Another caveat is basketball's have a lot more teams that are not from English speaking nations, vs. rugby and cricket. The 2019 final had both Spanish-speaking countries, and the 2023 final is Germany vs. Serbia (almost USA vs Canada, but they'd settle for third). For the curious, here's the Spanish Wikipedia article views during 2019.

  Rugby World Cup (and Cricket World Cup) also have show some actual prose; interestingly, FIFA-W didn't have prose? I thought this was a requirement? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  Slight update, rugby page views are increasing substantially as the tournament gets started, with only the top 5 days in the basketball article's history being above yesterday's rugby page views. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose You really can't compare a rugby union tournament to the Olympics or World Cup in terms of importance. It will get posted once it's over, quality permitting. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality; there is a fair amount of prose, but it's mostly unsourced. In terms of whether it warrants ongoing, I think rugby union has a better argument for that than other sports, but isn't in my top 6 off the top of my head, and I can imagine other users see it even lower, so it would probably warrant discussion. Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support ongoing it's the world championship of one of the most popular sports in the world, perhaps we should have a standard where any world championship of any sports event over a certain threshold of popularity gets ITNR automatically. Flyingfishee (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

  The Rugby World Cup is already ITNR. This isn't a discussion about ITNR, it's about adding the tournament to Ongoing, and then once it's finished presumably adding it again as a blurb. Which seems overkill to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I know there is no clear-cut criteria for what can be posted as ongoing as a sports item, but I feel like that honor should be reserved just for Olympics and association football World Cups, which we can definitively agree are the two biggest sporting events in the world. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Democratic backsliding in the United States

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Article: Democratic backsliding in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thirteen presidential centers from Hoover to Obama warn of fragile state of American democracy (Post)
News source(s): AP; UPI; Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by soibangla (talk · give credit)

 soibangla (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose On Notability, first off, this is not ITN-Material, this does not affect anything outside of the United States, and this is not significant enough. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:18, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is day-to-day politics in the US and the type of thing ITN is definitely not appropriate for. Additionally, the update is only this one sentence, nor can readily be expanded from just that statement (without being UNDUE), which really doesn't help. --Masem (t) 21:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - Huh? Truly hard to see how this is not only newsworthy but frankly even neutral. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose so… _-_Alsor (talk) 21:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close. Per above. Thanks to the OP for the good faith nomination, but this stands no chance of being posted, and might as well be put out of its misery sooner rather than later.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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RD: Monique Bégin

Article: Monique Bégin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/feminist-pioneer-monique-b%C3%A9gin-dies-at-87-1.6962053
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former federal minister, one of the first three women from Quebec to be elected to Canadian Parliament. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Adi Winarso

Article: Adi Winarso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://radartegal.disway.id/read/665739/breaking-news-mantan-walikota-tegal-adi-winarso-meninggal-dunia
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Tegal, 1999-2009. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Jeromi Mikhael: Not sure if you have time / access to additional sources, but I think with some moderate additional expansion this could be another ITN RD player. Spencer^T•C 15:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Richard Hu

Article: Richard Hu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/singapore/former-finance-minister-richard-hu-dies-96
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean Minister for Finance, 1985 - 2001. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Career section is mostly a list of positions and dates without much depth, a resume in prose format at present. Spencer^T•C 15:34, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Lisa Lyon

Article: Lisa Lyon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/08/bodybuilding-star-lisa-lyon-dead-dies/
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering American female bodybuilder. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: G. Marimuthu

Article: G. Marimuthu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kailash29792 (talk · give credit) and Usedbook (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Popular actor. Known for his antagonist role in Ethirneechal (TV series) Abishe (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Shoukat Ali Laleka

Article: Shoukat Ali Laleka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for RD. Fahads1982 (talk) 17:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per above. Golem08 (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Bulk of career section is election results without information about what he did in those positions; insufficient depth of coverage. Spencer^T•C 00:11, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Tunku Ampuan Najihah

Article: Tunku Ampuan Najihah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BERNAMA
Credits:

• Nominated by Peoya (talk · give credit)
• Created by 192.169.41.33 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Heather Fix (talk · give credit) and Artegia (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Consort to former Yang Dipertuan Agong (head of state) of Malaysia Peoya (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Many citations needed. starship.paint (RUN) 13:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Article is almost wholly uncited. The Kip 03:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Not enough prose wise about life, excluding long templates, awards and images. Also, more citations are needed. Bremps... 03:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: John Cairney

Article: John Cairney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Clarityfiend (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit), Sandy Fortingal (talk · give credit), 92.155.142.60 (talk · give credit), Beryl reid fan (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish actor. Filmography needs additional sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support I've sourced the filmography and expanded the article a little. Should be good to go. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 20:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Edward Hide

Article: Edward Hide (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TBN
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Peaky76 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bcp67 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Peaky76 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: British Jockey. — Knightoftheswords 01:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Charles Gayle

Article: Charles Gayle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Avant Music news
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 4.227.136.154 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 2a02:586:cc37:5946:5dce:90b8:4ba6:59d0 (talk · give credit) and 66.90.165.150 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American free jazz musician. Needs more sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: María Jiménez

Article: María Jiménez (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LPLM
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gaudio (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 188.29.133.182 (talk · give credit), Mandtplatt (talk · give credit), StarDeg (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish singer. Needs expansion. — Knightoftheswords 01:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Woefully under-referenced and not accessible to someone unfamiliar with the subject. Yes, she was a singer, but what were her commercial and critical benchmarks? I see nothing about chart positions or awards, and if this page had been written today, I'd understand a reviewer in Australia or India or the UK tagging it for notability. The page talks about "relaunching" a career (when?) but never mentions it fading away in the first place. I've removed unsourced personal information, a category on ethnicity that had no backing to it and a filmography which I blanked per WP:BURDEN due to a troublesome name in there. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not main-page quality. (The film Unknown Temptation refers to appears to exist, but wasn't linked or referenced.) Moscow Mule (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Enver Mamedov

Article: Enver Mamedov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RBC Group (in Russian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vmenkov (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit), Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit), 178.127.48.251 (talk · give credit) and Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Soviet diplomat. Should be ready to go. — Knightoftheswords 00:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is poorly cited and doesn't even mention his death. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Every paragraph is actually cited. However, needs a prose update on death and I'll support. Brandmeister^talk 06:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I've added his death and DoB into prose, but there's a list of awards in the infobox that don't have sources (these awards should probably have their own section in the article too). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 07:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Edgar Moron

Article: Edgar Moron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KStA
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Editrite! (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: German Politician. Needs an additional source. — Knightoftheswords 00:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Peter C. Newman

Article: Peter C. Newman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, Maclean's, CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bwark (talk · give credit) and Leoboudv (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian-Canadian author and Journalist. Some citations are needed in the bio and bibliography section. — Knightoftheswords 00:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

September 7

Portal:Current events/2023 September 7

September 7, 2023 (2023-09-07) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Anglophone Crisis Three civilians are killed when armed separatists attack vehicles in Muea, Southwest Region, Cameroon. Armed militants stopped cars, shot at passengers and set vehicles on fire during the attack. (Reuters) (Africanews) Ethnic violence in South Sudan Two farmers are killed and one is injured after an attack by unknown armed men in Eastern Equatoria, South Sudan. The victims were returning home when the attack occurred. (Radio Tamazuj) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Mali War September 2023 Mali attacks Islamist insurgents attack a military camp and a riverboat in northeast Mali. Sixty-four people are killed during the attacks, including 49 civilians and fifteen troops. (BBC News) (Reuters) Mexican drug war Six civilians are shot dead on a fronton court near the downtown of Guadalupe, Zacatecas. Hours later other armed attacks leave two more people dead. (El Sol de Zacatecas) (El Sol de Zacatecas) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Ukrainian forces enter the deserted villages of Stroivka and Topoli at the Russia–Ukraine border in Kharkiv Oblast. The villages were abandoned by Russia after the 2022 Kharkiv counteroffensive but Ukraine was previously unable to enter the villages due to the presence of mines in the area. (The Kyiv Independent) Business and economy China bans the use of iPhones for government officials resulting in the market value of Apple Inc. stock declining by $200 billion in the past two days. (CNN) (Bloomberg) Disasters and accidents 2023 Southeast Europe floods The death toll from the floods in Turkey, Bulgaria, and Greece increases to 15 after five more people are found dead in Greece. (Al Jazeera) The main highway between Athens and Thessaloniki is closed due to flooding. Passenger train service between the two cities is also suspended. (NOS) 2023 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Lee strengthens into a category 5 hurricane, with maximum sustained winds of 165 mph, traveling west-northwest towards the Leeward Islands and Puerto Rico. (NPR) International relations United Kingdom–European Union relations The United Kingdom announces that it will rejoin Horizon Europe, a European Union scientific research initiative. The UK had been excluded for the past three years due to disagreement over the Northern Ireland Protocol. (BBC News) Law and crime Aftermath of the January 6 United States Capitol attack Criminal proceedings in the January 6 United States Capitol attack Former Trump administration economic adviser Peter Navarro is found guilty of contempt of Congress for failing to comply with a congressional subpoena issued by the January 6 committee investigating the US capitol attack. (NBC News) A man is arrested in Kigali, Rwanda, after fourteen people are found dead at his house. The suspected serial killer lured his victims to his house from nearby bars. (Al Jazeera) Japanese pop agency Johnny & Associates publicly admits and apologizes for sexual abuses on several hundred minors committed by its late founder Johnny Kitagawa. (CNN)

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RD: Margherita Rinaldi

Article: Margherita Rinaldi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operawire
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian soprano with an international career. The article was almost there but practically unsourced. Sadly only one obit in English so far, but more precision and detail in several Italian sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Nice work with referencing. Spencer^T•C 15:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Louis Vitale

Article: Louis Vitale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pax Christi
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American Franciscan friar, peace activist, and a co-founder of Nevada Desert Experience. Thriley (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is of required quality to post. Golem08 (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• This wikibio could use more REFs, particularly the Awards and Recognition section. --PFHLai (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Johnny Kitagawa sexual abuse

Article: Johnny Kitagawa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Japanese pop agency Johnny & Associates (headquarters pictured) publicly admits and apologizes for sexual abuses on several hundred minors committed by its late founder Johnny Kitagawa. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, The Straits Times

 210.165.152.210 (talk) 23:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - What a grim story, absolutely horrifying, but doesn't have enough significance for ITN IMO PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Regretful oppose - Infuriating and disgusting. I personally would have supported posting this, but ultimately this not a surprise when it comes to the idol industry, particularly in Japan; it's one of those unfortunate dog bites man stories that I think the world has seemingly numbed itself to. I think the most interesting part of this story is how badly and thoroughly it has tarnished the founder's reputation. Yet ITN has, through repeated recent consensus, indicated that it has no interest in stories with a seemingly limited impact or lasting consequences, if the only engine driving them is moral outrage. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  Japanese idol industry is a very weird rabbit hole to dive into

  But yeah, corporate scandals don't really meet the ITN criteria usually, no matter how horrible. Maybe if this sparks widespread protest and outrage in Japan, but WP:CRYSTAL and all PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Terrible, horrible and absolutely repulsive stuff, but unfortunately not significant enough for ITN. Also the bolded article probably doesn't meet WP:ITNUPDATE with essentially a 1 sentence update (if we keep with the standard that sentences that don't convey more information than the ITN blurbs not counting). The other article Johnny & Associates has a much better update of basically a paragraph, but isn't bolded. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, and a regretful one. A horrible, disgusting, and terrifying story; however, I don't think this is a shock, especially in the Japanese idol industry. It seems to be another story and situation that people have just numbed themselves to. I agree with WaltCip: ITN doesn't have interest with stories that have seemingly limited impact; with this having only moral outrage driving it. I don't remember idol scandals being on ITN ever. Still absolutely sickens me, however. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 14:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose In considering such accusations, we go mainly by the result of court cases. The decisive cases happened around 20 years ago and the perp died 4 years ago. So, as news, this is quite stale and not appropriate for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  Back up. The story isn't the accusation but the public admission and apology. No current or pending civil or criminal proceedings applicable here. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

September 6

Portal:Current events/2023 September 6

September 6, 2023 (2023-09-06) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict 2021–2023 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks The East African Community announces the extension of a mandate of a regional military force deployed to deal with the low-intensity conflict in the east of the country. Troops were first sent into the region after the resurgence of the M23 rebel group.(Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Twelve Pakistani Taliban gunmen and four soldiers are killed in a shootout at a security outpost in the Kalasha Valleys in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (VOA) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine September 2023 Kostiantynivka missile strike At least 15 people are killed and 30 others are injured in a missile strike on a marketplace in Kostiantynivka, Donetsk Oblast Kyiv blamed the attack on Russia, who denied involvement in the attack. An investigation by the New York Times found evidence which suggested a Ukrainian 9M38 missile fired by a mobile Buk antiaircraft vehicle was responsible for the strike. (New York Times) Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces a $175 million aid package for Ukraine that includes depleted uranium ammunition for the first time, intended for use with Abrams tanks. (CBS News) British Defence Secretary Grant Shapps confirms reports by Russian officials that a Challenger 2 tank was destroyed in Ukraine, marking the first loss of the model on the battlefield. (The Kyiv Independent) Russian pilot Maxim Kuzminov, who defected to Ukraine with a MI-8 helicopter, receives a $500,000 reward for defecting. (Al Jazeera) The Romanian Ministry of National Defence confirms that debris from a Russian drone has been found on Romanian territory in Tulcea County. Romania denied claims that drones launched by Russia exploded on Romanian territory. (AP) War against the Islamic State 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings Sri Lanka's government announces that it will appoint a parliamentary committee to investigate allegations made in a Channel 4 report that Sri Lankan intelligence was complicit in the bombings. (AP) Tajikistan announces that it killed three Jamaat Ansarullah Islamist militants on 29–30 August after the militants crossed the border from Afghanistan to carry out terrorist attacks in Tajikistan. (AFP via Barron's) Business and economy The National Bank of Poland announces significant interest cuts, lowering the reference rate from 6.75% to 6%, simultaneously causing the złoty to lose value against the dollar and the euro. (The Seattle Times) Disasters and accidents 2023 Rio Grande do Sul floods An extratropical cyclone in southern Brazil causes flooding in several cities, killing at least 27 people and leaving more than 1,600 people homeless. (AP) 2023 Southeast Europe floods At least 10 people have been killed by floods caused by torrential rain in Bulgaria, Turkey, and Greece. (BBC News) International relations Climate change in Africa The African Climate Summit in Nairobi, Kenya, ends with a call for world leaders to implement a global carbon tax on fossil fuels, transport and reforms of global financial systems which leaders say disproportionately disadvantages African nations. (AP) Russia–Turkey relations President of Russia Vladimir Putin and President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdoğan hold talks in Sochi, Russia, to discuss the revival of the Black Sea Grain Initiative, enabling the passage of grain across the Black Sea. (CNN) Law and crime Abortion in Mexico The Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation decriminalizes abortion nationwide in Mexico, ruling that laws prohibiting the procedure are unconstitutional and violate women’s rights. (AP) Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations A U.S. federal court judge rules that Donald Trump is liable for damages in the second defamation case against journalist E. Jean Carroll. (CNN) Human rights in France A schoolgirl in Lyon, France, is reportedly sent home for wearing a traditional Japanese kimono as the nation implements a controversial law banning the display of religious symbols in public schools. (Al Jazeera) Prison escape of Daniel Khalife British former soldier Daniel Khalife, awaiting trial for terror and explosives offenses, escapes from HM Prison Wandsworth in southwest London, United Kingdom, triggering a nationwide manhunt. (BBC) Science and technology 2023 in archosaur paleontology A dinosaur fossil, given the name Fujianvenator, is discovered in Fujian, China. The dinosaur has two legs and two other limbs, possibly wings, thereby giving insight into the evolution of birds. (NOS) Exploration of the Moon JAXA launches the Smart Lander for Investigating Moon (SLIM) lunar lander from Tanegashima Space Center. The Japanese mission will aim to become the fifth country to perform a soft landing on the Moon. (Reuters)

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RD: Whitey Von Nieda

Article: Whitey Von Nieda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/nba-whitey-von-nieda-f65f0704d2117c1f94f00629a663b2f5
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The first NBA player to reach 100 years of age. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support: With Whitey Von Nieda being the first NBA alumni to reach centenarian age, his recent death is notable due to both the coverage it has received and the fact that Von Nieda reached such an exceptional age. I feel like Von Nieda being mentioned in the "recent deaths" panel is warranted. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 04:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

  Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Career section almost entirely uncited and one of the tables in the Career Statistics sections also needs a source. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Hans-Ulrich Klose

Article: Hans-Ulrich Klose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Hamburgs-ehemaliger-Buergermeister-Klose-gestorben,klose238.html
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Nominator's comments: Mayor of Hamburg, 1974 - 1981. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Early life and political career sections need refs. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lucrecia Hernández Mack

Article: Lucrecia Hernández Mack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Prensa Libre
Credits:

• Nominated by FlyingAce (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guatemalan congresswoman. –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose there are a few citations which need to be added but look like that could easily be done by a Wikipedian skilled in the art and science of citation (AKA not me at 11 at night). ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  @HistoryTheorist: looks like the one "citation needed" tag has been cleared and the article is well referenced now – mind checking if anything else may be missing? :) –FlyingAce^✈hello 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

  looks good. I'll Support the nomination. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ian Hamilton

Article: Ian Hamilton (footballer, born 1967) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yorkshire Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Footballgy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 86.7.74.248 (talk · give credit), LilianaUwU (talk · give credit) and Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English soccer player. — Knightoftheswords 14:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose the article could use some more citations before we release it to ITN. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs citation work. The Kip 04:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, article has unsourced content. Suonii180 (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - @The Kip, Suonii180, and HistoryTheorist:, I've cleaned the {{CN}} tags in the article. — Knightoftheswords 00:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Okay. I will rescind my oppose. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Rescinded. Citations seem adequate. The Kip 06:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Opposition rescinded, no longer citation issues. Suonii180 (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is good enough for RD. Marking as ready (this technically has 3 supports since The Kip and HistoryTheorist have rescinded their opposes, 3 supports is plenty of consensus for an RD). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Up until his playing career in 1999, most of the body is a list of clubs he played for, without any description of his accomplishments or notable achievements there. Similar to a CV in prose format, insufficient depth of coverage IMO. Spencer^T•C 00:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Some of the older refs need refreshing. I ran into a few deadlinks while performing spot-checks on the refs. Please update them. --PFHLai (talk) 10:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted although the article could still be improved, there are no active problems. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Burning Man 2023

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Rainfall at the festival on September 2

Articles: Burning Man 2023 (talk · history · tag) and September 2023 southwestern U.S. floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, torrential flooding in the state of Nevada kills two people and causes the 70 thousand attendees of the Burning Man festival to be stranded in Black Rock Desert. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - WaPo - The Guardian - CBS - BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nearly 100 thousand people are/were trapped in the boiling Nevada desert as torrential rains wrecked havoc on the annual Burning Man festival. One person has died at the event as well as another in the region, which as a whole is experiencing flooding. I frankly believe that this fits all four points of WP:ITNPURPOSE: it has been a key part of the public discourse for days now, receiving widespread attention from WP:RSes and the public alike, and related articles have been receiving a boost in views; the Burning Man article has received nearly a million views as a direct result, and the split, dedicated article about the 2023 event has already received 50,000 views in a single day. Both articles are of decent quality, with the BM2023 article itself receiving a B-class rating from WP:FESTIVAL, and the related Burning Man article being B-class as well. For those who haven't heard of it, it would be a compelling story; 73,000 people being stranded in the Great Basin living on "anarchist" principles of self-sufficiency and the like. Finally, this would add variety to the selection on ITN, thus emphasizing our dynamism. — Knightoftheswords 01:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• September 2023 southwestern U.S. floods is also nominated at DYK, but really, it's better suited here. —Cryptic 02:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment It's an event in the desert based in self-sufficiency. "Stranded" is misleading, and most would have stayed for the end burns.—Bagumba (talk) 03:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Fyre Festival II, for all purposes. --Masem (t) 03:29, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Not a good analogy. There's a difference between a fraudulent festival containing 500 folks that was inherently doomed from the start vs a festival of record with nearly 100k attendees that only had conning done by mother nature. — Knightoftheswords 14:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Having a major event in a remote, desolate location was always set up for a problem like this. While not a scam, it is about people with disposable income making a poor choice. Masem (t) 15:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• NYT Quote (Emphasized): The Pershing County Sheriff’s Office said the cause of death of one person was unclear and was still under investigation but that it did not initially appear to be related to the weather. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Local event. Bedivere (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.

  — Knightoftheswords 14:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - one (possibly related) death so far. 70,000 stranded leans in the favour of the blurb, but given the floods are now over, I don't think it'll reach the severity required. Anarchyte (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose — Content on ITN needs to be significant, not interesting. If you're looking for a "compelling story", DYK may be of interest. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 06:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Content on ITN needs to be significant, not interesting.

  Per WP:ITNPURPOSE - To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them (which is what I was referring to with the "interesting" story bit). If you have an issue with that, take it to WT:ITN and propose it be removed. — Knightoftheswords 14:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

This is a textualist interpretation of what ITN is. Standards have changed as more extreme weather events have occurred. The flooding aspect of this blurb is not exceptional for the world nor the country. If hundreds had died—ergo, an exceptional flood—such an event would be suitable for ITN. A major scientific discovery meets the criterion you mentioned even though it may not be in the news. There is a degree of conservatism that is necessary here. Geographic bias is a considerable factor in ITN, including this nomination. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support. "70 thousand" should read "70,000" or "70 000". It's worth noting that this morning it was announced that the death appears to have been from intoxication, not the weather. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I would have been more willing to support a few days ago, but I feel like this event is getting a little stale PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by staleness? Rager7 (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose First off, this does not feel significant enough to be ITN-material, and it is at most DYK. secondly, This event has been going on for a few days, and it is thus stale. This also has no impact outside of Nevada, so it is not that important. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Not stale; not even a week old, let alone older than the oldest item on ITN and again, we don't dismiss stories because they happened in one location for whatever reason. Also, can we please stop with the "this is DYK-material" mantra? However good-faith these statements are, they come off as just lazy rationales for opposing (especially considering a lot of the topics on ITN have articles that don't meet any of the WP:DYK eligibility criteria). — Knightoftheswords 14:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose nah, not that significant. Local and stale. Per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.

  Or additionally,

  Please do not add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons.

  — Knightoftheswords 14:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  "Local", "stale" and "Per all above" are exactly my reasons for opposing it. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  How is it stale, and what about it being local is an issue? — Knightoftheswords 14:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - the event is not even a week old, and thus by default is not stale; additionally, per repeated consensus on WT:ITN, staleness refers to any item older than the oldest ITN blurb, even if it's seven days old or more (the oldest item is from August 23), so the arguments that oppose due to staleness are invalid. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Do not bludgeon discussions by responding to each post in opposition to your view. Masem (t) 15:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Maybe make !votes based on policy? Seriously, this willingness to ignore policy when it suits us is why ITN was on the gallows a few weeks ago. — Knightoftheswords 16:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

The policy is "We talk it out civilly, and follow what the consensus tells us to do". The reason ITN was on the gallows is because people aren't willing to let consensus be consensus, and want to argue and berate and WP:BLUDGEON every discussion that isn't going their way. Back tf down dude, you've said quite enough. --Jayron32 16:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't know about that; we've been doing that for a while now, but that never produced any results. — Knightoftheswords 17:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, you can certainly keep doing what you're doing with the arguing and bludgeoning, and we can come back later to ANI and see if they have anything different to say as a result. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality for both bolded articles is sufficient, event is current and covered sufficiently by news to indicate significance. --Jayron32 15:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, as a story of insufficient impact. And I'll note that "Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country" is written because very significant events are sometimes largely restricted in impact to single country, not because significance does not matter as a criterion. Nobody here is opposing because this is a US-specific event; we're opposing because at the scale we usually consider, it's not significant. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Vanamonde. Hard to see the significance in deaths resulting from, as stated by the above, poor planning combined with force majeure. Based on the outcomes of recent prior nominations, it looks like ITN as a whole seems to be steering away from posting disasters that don't carry any long-term significance. That's not an entirely bad thing. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as blurb is misleading per Bagumba. The roads were closed off well in advance of when people would be trying to leave anyway. "Porto-potties at Burning Man worse than usual due to lack of pump truck access to Playa" and "Weekend Burning Man attendees unable to show up for two days of partying and then bail immediately due to road closure" don't seem ITN-worthy. Would support a later story if BLM revokes the land use permit due to insufficient cleanup, but we won't know that for months. Folly Mox (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 5

Portal:Current events/2023 September 5

September 5, 2023 (2023-09-05) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Nigerien crisis France–Niger relations France and Niger's military government begin talks on the possible withdrawal of French troops from the West African country. (Al Jazeera) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso 2023 Yatenga Province clashes Seventeen Burkinabé soldiers, thirty-six VDP militiamen, and several dozen Jama'at Nasr al-Islam wal Muslimin militants are killed during fighting in Yatenga, Burkina Faso. (ABC News) Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022–2023 western Russia attacks Russia's defense ministry says it has shot down three Ukrainian aerial drones over Istra, Moscow, and over the Kaluga and Tver regions near Moscow. (Al Jazeera) Governor of Bryansk Oblast Alexander Bogomaz says border guards and security services prevented an attempt by an Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group to cross into Russia. (Al Arabiya) Foreign involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine The Cuban foreign ministry says criminal proceedings have been initiated against a recruiting group primarily seeking to enlist Cuban citizens residing in Russia to fight for the country in Ukraine as mercenary activities are prohibited in Cuba, and reiterated that it was not part of the war. (The Guardian) (New York Times) Russia's defense ministry says it destroyed four Ukrainian military boats carrying troops in the Black Sea travelling in the direction of Cape Tarkhankut on the Crimean coast. (Al Jazeera) Russia's defense ministry says it repelled a Ukrainian aerial drone attack over the Black Sea. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy 2021–present United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis Birmingham City Council, the largest local authority in Europe, declares itself bankrupt. The council says all spending, with the exception of protecting vulnerable people and statutory services, will stop immediately. (Sky News) Viking Link, the world's longest submarine power cable, a joint venture between the United Kingdom's National Grid and Denmark's Energinet, is completed. The HVDC interconnector will supply around 1.4 million homes in the UK with electricity. (Electrek) The Egyptian General Authority for Supply Commodities buys 480,000 metric tonnes of Russian wheat, relying on the imports to fulfill its domestic needs. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2023 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Lee forms east of the Lesser Antilles, moving in west-northwest direction towards the Caribbean. (NHC) (AP) Law and crime Aftermath of the 2021 January 6 United States Capitol attack Criminal proceedings in the January 6 United States Capitol attack Enrique Tarrio, leader of the far-right Proud Boys group, is sentenced to 22 years in prison for seditious conspiracy, which is the longest sentence to date handed down to a January 6 defendant. (CNN) Kyoto Animation arson attack Shinji Aoba pleads guilty to arson and 36 murders for setting a fire at an animation studio in Kyoto, Japan, in July 2019. (AP) Rubiales affair Spanish football player Jennifer Hermoso files a legal complaint against Spanish football federation president Luis Rubiales over a forcible kiss after the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup final. (CNN)

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RD: Antonio Galves

Article: Antonio Galves (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USP (Portuguese)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mike Peel (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sturm (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian Professor of Mathematics at the University of São Paulo, jointly created the Galves–Löcherbach model. --Mike Peel (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Mike Peel, can you add a citation for the last section and add an explanation for how Galves is related to that (other than the name)? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  @The ed17: Thanks for looking at the article. Reference added, and explanation of the connection clarified, how does that look? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you! Support. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Anatol Ugorski

Article: Anatol Ugorski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk, also English and French
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pianist from the Soviet Union who played controversial Western Schoenberg - Messiaen - Boulez there, and found his career interrupted for a decade after his applause for Boulez at a concert was found politically unreliable, escaped to East Berlin after antisemitic harassment of his daughter, and began a new career in the West at age 50. - Article was basically there but needed references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support I tagged one reference with {{unreliable source}} but I don't see that as a problem for RD. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you. I took it out, - there are others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 21:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: María Teresa Campos

Article: María Teresa Campos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cadena SER El Periódico
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering, popular and referent Spanish journalist and television presenter. Expanded article with its content cited. I think it's ready, but I'm sure something needs to be polished. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for RD, AGFing Spanish sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 15:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support , a very popular Spanish TV presenter. Article ready (improved by _-_Alsor, good job !). Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks Alexcalamaro, also for your early updates! _-_Alsor (talk) 19:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. AGF all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Molly Holzschlag

Article: Molly Holzschlag (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tuscon Sentinel
Credits:

• Nominated by OwenBlacker (talk · give credit)
• Updated by E mln e (talk · give credit), Victuallers (talk · give credit), Favourdare123 (talk · give credit) and Jös (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Key figure in the Open Web movement. (And all BLP subjects are considered notable on death.) OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks fine. Ahiijny (talk) 18:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Well sourced, no reason not to post now. Jusdafax (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Necmettin Cevheri

Article: Necmettin Cevheri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cumhuriyet (in Turkish)
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish politican and lawyer. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Support. Looks good to me. OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Any more materials on what he accomplished as minister of ...? even deputy prime minister? --PFHLai (talk) 03:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted but Egeymi, it would be great if you could add info that would answer PFHLai's questions above! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The ed17 I will try, thanks, Egeymi (talk) 05:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yunus Bandu

Article: Yunus Bandu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://makassar.terkini.id/eks-bupati-sidrap-dan-luwu-yunus-bandu-sempat-masuk-icu-22-hari-sebelum-meninggal/
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian local politician. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Support. Looks good to me. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Any more materials on what he accomplished as regent? --PFHLai (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

  @PFHLai: I've added one more stuff about his accomplishment as regent. It's hard to find more about him in national publications. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Adam Exner

Article: Adam Exner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The B.C. Catholic; Archdiocese of Winnipeg
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support Well sourced, and covering all the major contours of his life in detail. Bremps... 01:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article's sourcing, depth and length is good enough for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:32, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support article is in great condition. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - A fine example of good writing based on sources. Jusdafax (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Anarchyte (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Albert Azaryan

Article: Albert Azaryan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Olympic Champion Albert Azaryan dies aged 94
Credits:

• Nominated by 4me689 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: a 3 time Olympic champion 4me689 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Sourcing issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:42, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
• Quite a few paragraphs with zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

New PM in Vanuatu

Articles: Sato Kilman (talk · history · tag) and Prime Minister of Vanuatu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Vanuatu, Sato Kilman (pictured) is elected prime minister by parliament, succeeding Ishmael Kalsakau (Post)
News source(s): SCMP - Reuters - ABC (Australia)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Academic Challenger (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 86.126.217.26 (talk · give credit), Moondragon21 (talk · give credit), Wykx (talk · give credit), Vardion (talk · give credit) and Bedivere (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: New PM in Vanuatu. There are some citations needed in his article, but otherwise should be good to go. By the way, per List of current heads of state and government, Vanuatu's PM is the head of state. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

The update is one-sentence but I guess there is not that much to say? Still, I'd like to see more text before I am comfortable by posting. Tone 14:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The first article has not been adequately updated. The lead doesn't mention anything about this. It also doesn't cover anything about how he became PM, just that it happened. Needs some expansion. The second article should not be bolded, it does not contain sufficient prose about the event to qualify as a bolded link. If these problems are fixed, ping me to re-assess. --Jayron32 15:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Jayron32 I expanded a little bit the election mention on their biography. Bedivere (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Bedivere: So, like right now, the lead states "He is Prime Minister of Vanuatu on four occasions, most recently from June 2015 to February 2016. Kilman was previously Prime Minister from December 2010 to April 2011 and from May to June 2011, though his premiership was subsequently annulled by a court of law." That is both grammatically incorrect and factually incorrect. That needs some major work before we can post this. --Jayron32 18:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

• Yes on blurb, No on picture, I don't think it needs a picture, never the less it's still a new head of government, just remember to get the article and it sources fixed first.

4me689 (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

it is not a head of government in a significant country.

ITN doesn't particularly care about that and I'd strongly recommend you strike this comment. What is or isn't a significant country is highly subjective, and voicing opposition to something because of the country's "insignificance" goes against point 2 of WP:ITNCDONT. The Kip 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

@The Kip, I said no on picture, not on the blurb, never the less, I'll still reword it. 4me689 (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I would probably note how he got ousted rather than succeeded in an election. Other than that, I would probably say it's fine.

River10000 (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - Article has only a single-sentence update, with no further details given. The Kip 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

  @The Kip It's been expanded (a bit). Bedivere (talk) 23:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Include the blurb and picture. Vanuatu is such a small country that representing them on the main page would be superb! Bedivere (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance. Curbon7 (talk) 04:06, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  I know that. I see a sentence that needs referencing and that's all. I still support this. Bedivere (talk) 05:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  I could easily find a reference for that, and it's ready to go IMHO. Bedivere (talk) 05:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  Articles also need to be updated sufficiently, see WP:ITNUPDATE: The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable. Changes in verb tense (e.g. "is" → "was") or updates that convey little or no relevant information beyond what is stated in the ITN blurb are insufficient. They also need to be minimally comprehensive, per WP:ITNQUALITY: Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items..

  This is the concern expressed by other !voters here. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

  I did extend that little sentence there was regarding their election as PM. Just for the record Bedivere (talk) 13:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There's no separate article about the event and the nominated articles don't give it much prominence or give a coherent narrative. For example, Prime Minister of Vanuatu has a section called Disputes which says nothing about this even though the outcome depended on controversial rulings by the Supreme Court. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - the Sato article needs more sources. starship.paint (RUN) 15:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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