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*'''Comment''' The death toll in the article is 2,110; the main page says "over 3000". I think we better stick to the conservative figure here, and call it "over 2,000". [[User:Renerpho|Renerpho]] ([[User talk:Renerpho|talk]]) 12:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The death toll in the article is 2,110; the main page says "over 3000". I think we better stick to the conservative figure here, and call it "over 2,000". [[User:Renerpho|Renerpho]] ([[User talk:Renerpho|talk]]) 12:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
*:That point has become mute as the official death toll continues to rise. It remains important to carefully read the sources before adding figures, especially when the headline of a newspaper doesn't agree with the text. [[User:Renerpho|Renerpho]] ([[User talk:Renerpho|talk]]) 17:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
*:That point has become mute as the official death toll continues to rise. It remains important to carefully read the sources before adding figures, especially when the headline of a newspaper doesn't agree with the text. [[User:Renerpho|Renerpho]] ([[User talk:Renerpho|talk]]) 17:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
*::This was already dealt with several times over in the intervening hours. In the future, incrementing the numbers should be handled through [[WP:ERRORS]], after the article has been updated with the most recent figures. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 18:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Sara Sharif murder case ====
==== (Closed) Sara Sharif murder case ====

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September 12

September 12, 2023 (2023-09-12) (Tuesday)

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  • Mali War
    • Tuareg fighters from the Platform coalition of rebels capture the town of Bourem from Malian forces, bringing an end to the 2015 peace treaty between the rebels and the Malian government. (Africanews)

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September 11

September 11, 2023 (2023-09-11) (Monday)

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  • Storm Daniel
    • At least 2,500 people have been killed and 7,000 others are reported missing across northeastern Libya during floods triggered by Storm Daniel. (Albawaba)

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RD: Ian Wilmut

Article: Ian Wilmut (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 -Abhishikt (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Éva Fahidi

Article: Éva Fahidi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Storm Daniel

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Article: Storm Daniel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Storm Daniel causes severe flooding across Libya and the collapse of two dams, leaving more than 2,500 people dead. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
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Nominator's comments: Might need a bit of work but definitely worthy of posting Noah, AATalk 14:45, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose - Libya declares state of emergency, seems to be causing a lot of damage. However, death toll does not automatically mean notability, and we should not support or oppose based off of it. This item is also getting rather stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How is it stale when the Libya situation is just being reported? Noah, AATalk 15:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The storm has almost completely dissapated by now, damage has been done. I still think it would be okay to post, but if we were to we better do it soon, PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Significant devastation, especially in Derna, and the latest reports say up to 2,000 people are believed to have died. Johndavies837 (talk) 16:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support. Unprecedented disaster. Storm just made landfall in Libya, so it is not stale. More than 2,000 people feared dead in Derna alone. Deadliest Medicane ever recorded. The floods in Greece and Istanbul alone are noteworthy. Here are some images from Libya; we should try to find some free ones. 50.101.173.184 (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, however... is the Causalities section needed? It is presenting just a running total if deaths already described in the previous sections. I do see a benefit if a causality count by country table in the Aftermath section. --Masem (t) 17:42, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, unfortunate major disaster that absolutely deserves a place in ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sara Sharif murder case

Good faith nomination. However, consensus to post is not going to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Sara Sharif murder case (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An international manhunt has been launched after 10-year-old Sarah Sharif was found dead at her home in Woking, Surrey, England. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Gurdian, Sky, Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Independent, The Times
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Nominator's comments: The case, despite the passage of a month, continues to be a significant event that has drawn international attention and had a profound impact on the community. The case remains unresolved and has consistently been in the headlines, capturing the attention of media outlets worldwide. Ainty Painty (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article not in good enough shape and is an orphan. I also don't think this is of global, international significance. It just doesn't make the ITN threshold. Secretlondon (talk) 17:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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September 10

September 10, 2023 (2023-09-10) (Sunday)

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Germany wins the FIBA Basketball World Cup

Article: 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup concludes with Germany defeating Serbia in the final. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera DW Reuters
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article needs some work before it's ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Category 5 hurricane/typhoon in each ocean basin in the same season for the first time in the satellite era

Good faith nomination. However, consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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Article: 2023 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ For the first time in the satellite era, a category 5 hurricane has formed in each of the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans in the same year. (Post)
News source(s): [4];[Weather of 2023 Washington Post: A first: Category 5 storms have formed in every ocean basin this year]
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 Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For the first time since the satellite era, all three major ocean basins have produced an (equivalent to) category 5 hurricane / typhoon (some more than one). There have additionally been (equivalent to) category 5 hurricanes in the southern hemisphere: eg. Cyclone Freddy. In total, counting the southern hemisphere, there have been SIX (equivalent to) category 5 storms this year (two in Oceania, one in the Indian Ocean north of the equator, one each in the east and west Pacific, and now one in the Atlantic), but this is far less unusual in the Pacific and Indian oceans than in the Atlantic. What makes it newsworthy is that this has occurred simultaneously, for the first time in the satellite era, in all three oceans.

Although most hurricanes lose significant strength before landfall, Typhoon Mawar in the Pacific basin struck Guam as a category 4, and Cyclone Mocha struck Myanmar as a category 4. The final effects of Hurricane Lee, in the Atlantic, have yet to be determined. (Better satellite measurements, meteorological understanding, and disaster planning have thankfully led to much lower mortality than similarly-powered storms have caused in the past -- aka why WP ITN should not lean solely on death counts to analyse storms.)

I used "hurricane" rather than "typhoon" in the blurb because English-speaking WP leans toward the Atlantic. As well, the Saffir-Simpson scale is linked to hurricanes, with typhoons using a different measure. However, we could easily use typhoon, cyclone, or hurricane/typhoon instead. It is also worth noting that each of these storms developed its strength explosively (great increase in strength over a single day or two), but mentioning that in the blurb would take away from the fact that they existed at all. I used the picture of Mawar since it had the greatest land impact, but we could also use a picture of Lee since it "makes" the story. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 16:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is trivia and, while a striking sign of climate change, isn't a specific news event fitting in WP:ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Agree with The Kip that this could be a DYK candidate. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:14, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work The news link provided didn't work so I've added a link to the Washington Post. This indicates that this particular aspect is due to ocean warming such as El Niño and that's driving a lot of extreme weather. As 2023 seems to be setting weather records in various ways, we should perhaps have a more general topic such as Weather of 2023. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    During an Atlantic high-activity era, El Niño typically results in a near-normal season and La Niña produces an above-normal season. During an Atlantic low-activity era El Niño typically results in a below-normal season and La Niña results in a near-normal season. Too much wind shear and stuff. However this is the record sea temperature year, entering uncharted territory. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Weather records (and similar such records) are not really suitable for ITN. We've had record heat waves and temperatures throughout this summer, and there were suggested to post but that didn't happen, nor should this. --Masem (t) 21:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems a bit of a reach - especially as two of these were months ago, and Hurricane Lee (2023) doesn't look like it's going to make landfall as a hurricane anytime soon (though might hit northern New England, or parts of Canada as a smaller Hurricane). We've had extreme climate ITNs; and we might well again soon with hurricane season in the Atlantic peaking. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Meh. I love weather, and I love tropical cyclones in particular, but this is a classic case of trivia. Issues here include such facts as A. the basins considered, while the currently active ones, are arbitrarily chosen and not all of the global basins B. the fact that what defines a category 5 is arbitrary and C. these particukar cyclones weren't concurrently occurring. SO yeah, neat, but that's about all. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 9

September 9, 2023 (2023-09-09) (Saturday)

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RD: Rubén Darío Carolini

Article: Rubén Darío Carolini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario Hoy
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentine paleontologist. Discovered the Giganotosaurus. Thriley (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coco Gauff and Novak Djokovic win U.S. Open

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Articles: Coco Gauff (talk · history · tag) and Novak Djokovic (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American Coco Gauff and Serbian Novak Djokovic win the women's singles and men's singles, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, the US Open concludes with Coco Gauff winning the women's singles and Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles (both winners pictured).
News source(s): [5], Deadline Hollywood
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 TJMSmith (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mike Yarwood

Article: Mike Yarwood (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a fair bit of work to get it up to scratch, but achievable. - SchroCat (talk) 11:12, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose A good amount of sourcing work is necessary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Silly Billy I did some cleanup to make the article seem respectable and the readership has reached over 100K. I suppose that will be the peak and it's downhill from here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yarwood was well known in the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and should be included on that basis. Broichmore (talk) 11:07, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

    Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ridiculous argument in the face of common sense. There’s no policy to back up that opinion. This guy has obits published in The Times and The Telegraph. Broichmore (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The policy is WP:BLP, which requires that contentious statements about living (or recently living) people be supported by an inline citation. Until this is done the article isn't of sufficient quality to feature on the Nsin Page. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This is based on what is described on both WP:ITNQUALITY and WP:ITNRD. We literally put this in the template (which is what I was quoting). This is not my opinion, the policy is that anyone with a Wikipedia article can get RD if the article quality is good enough, fame or significance doesn’t matter. We don't just post people who are famous into RD. We didn’t post Jimmy Buffett because his article wasn’t good enough. If you don’t like that and think it’s common sense to just post regardless of quality, then start an rfc to change the current policy. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 04:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNRD "...is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines". See also WP:CONLOCAL. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if it isn't policy, this article is not RD quality imo but if WP as a collective decide that this article can be posted I’m not going to go against them. Also I don’t believe there’s any relevant higher community consensus for posting this that would override WP:ITNQUALITY. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What contentious statements? This article has been improved. Broichmore (talk) 10:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You can start with the orange tagged career section and also the filmography and bibliography per WP:ITNQUALITY: Biographies of living persons are held to higher standards of referencing because of their sensitive nature, and these rules also apply to those recently deceased. Lists of awards and honors, bibliographies and filmographies and the like should have clear sources. Sources themselves should be checked for reliability. Generally, "orange" and "red" level clean-up tags are signs that article quality is not acceptable for the main page as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mangosuthu Buthelezi

Article: Mangosuthu Buthelezi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Zulu Leader Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 8

September 8, 2023 (2023-09-08) (Friday)

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(Posted) 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake

Article: 2023 Marrakesh-Safi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A magnitude 6.8 earthquake strikes Morocco, killing at least 296 people. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support Death toll in the hundreds. Significant. Bremps... 03:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: 2023 Rugby World Cup

No consensus to post to ongoing. However, this is an WP:ITNR item for when the event concludes.—Bagumba (talk) 15:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2023 Rugby World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC, Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
 AideDésintéressée (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - We shall post the result my friend. Don't usually put up the opening of sports events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You put up the opening of the Women's FIFA World Cup opening though...And it wasn't as hpyed as this Rugby World Cup Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:17, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could get behind ongoing. If we did put up the opening of the Women's world cup then I would have disagreed with that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:05, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We didn't, because we don't blurb sport tournament openings (except the Olympics and occasionally similar). Of course, as a fan of both, the women's football was also easily more hyped than this Rugby World Cup - anyone's view of "hype", though, doesn't affect the scale of an event and isn't a good blurb argument. Kingsif (talk) 15:29, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It is a mojor event in the Rugby domain. Agirlwithabrain (talk) 10:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those viewing figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. Global viewing figures for sports are very hard to ascertain, and their governing bodies have a vested interest in hyping them up to promote their product. The quoted figure of 857 million for Rugby Union (from the governing body) is absurd. The total combined populations of all of the countries where it's genuinely popular don't even amount to half that figure. Effy Midwinter (talk) 08:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, we already have several ongoing topics and I am perfectly fine with limiting the ongoing sports for the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup. No need to include more sports (basketball World Cup is taking place at the moment as well, for example). --Tone 11:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support These days Rugby (Union) is much more mainstream and played in a lot more countries nowadays than in the old elitist amateur days, with the world cup being the pinnacle of this sport Josey Wales Parley 11:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is becoming silly. We don't "ongoing" tournaments just because they happen to be taking place. The result of the RWC will be posted at the end as per usual and that's it. The only exceptions to this are the Olypmics and the football world cup, as the largest sporting showpieces on the planet. And those are strictly exceptions.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We also did the 2019 Cricket World Cup, and I would expect to do the same this year. Admittedly, we're looking at a worldwide audience heading towards 3 billion with that one, not far off that of the Olympics. The cricket article also gets an insane amount of pageviews. Black Kite (talk) 12:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am not sure about the article quality at this point. I know to expect a lot of tables for tracking this, but there seems to be a lack of prose and citations for what has happened. For example, the opening ceremony being only two sentences long seems lacking. --Masem (t) 12:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And further, we only typically feature lengthy sporting events in ongoing if there is widespread international coverage of the event on a day to day basis. The World Cup and Olympics clearly meet this. I'm not so sure about rugby as a sport. Masem (t) 17:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major world event with worldwide media attention, and it would be a good thing to have other sports than football featured on the front page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add that sports tournaments are probably the kind of stuff we should have more precise guidelines for, and, whichever way it goes, this would be a good occasion to work on setting a precedent and potentially even drafting a guideline. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Looking at the top views, it seems to be tennis that's doing best currently. But there are a lot of different sports jostling for attention and so YMMV. As they are all routine sports, WP:NOTNEWS applies. And note that rugby is a form of football too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Rugby is a form of football doesn't add anything, as it was obvious the comparison was with association football (soccer). The question is, what is a "routine sport", and what differentiates it from a sport deserving an article? Why should WP:ITN be centered around a specific sport, even though we tend to avoid biases like this in other domains (presenting news from all countries, from all topics, etc.) Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Andrew’s traditionally been opposed to any sports coverage on ITN, I’d disregard the “it’s routine” comment entirely. The Kip 01:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Page views comparison. The 2023 FIBA Basketball World Cup was suggested to be added to ongoing last month; it was rejected. Comparing the pageviews, basketball leads rugby although it has to be sent the basketball's world cup is nearing its conclusion, while rugby's just get started. Also, ITN doesn't base what is posted on page views but on the biases of people here, but I guess you guys should already know that ;) Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You're right to notice that the rugby world cup just started, and that its pageviews are much more equivalent to the first days of the basketball world cup. I think we could see in the next few days how it develops, although rugby appears on a stronger rising trend? We'll see! Chaotic Enby (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    See the 2019 World Cup pageviews (FIFA-W vs cricket vs rugby vs basketball); all world cups except for basketball lasted for more than a month, while basketball's took just over 2 weeks. Another caveat is basketball's have a lot more teams that are not from English speaking nations, vs. rugby and cricket. The 2019 final had both Spanish-speaking countries, and the 2023 final is Germany vs. Serbia (almost USA vs Canada, but they'd settle for third). For the curious, here's the Spanish Wikipedia article views during 2019.
    Rugby World Cup (and Cricket World Cup) also have show some actual prose; interestingly, FIFA-W didn't have prose? I thought this was a requirement? Howard the Duck (talk) 01:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Slight update, rugby page views are increasing substantially as the tournament gets started, with only the top 5 days in the basketball article's history being above yesterday's rugby page views. Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose You really can't compare a rugby union tournament to the Olympics or World Cup in terms of importance. It will get posted once it's over, quality permitting. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:51, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality; there is a fair amount of prose, but it's mostly unsourced. In terms of whether it warrants ongoing, I think rugby union has a better argument for that than other sports, but isn't in my top 6 off the top of my head, and I can imagine other users see it even lower, so it would probably warrant discussion. Kingsif (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing it's the world championship of one of the most popular sports in the world, perhaps we should have a standard where any world championship of any sports event over a certain threshold of popularity gets ITNR automatically. Flyingfishee (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The Rugby World Cup is already ITNR. This isn't a discussion about ITNR, it's about adding the tournament to Ongoing, and then once it's finished presumably adding it again as a blurb. Which seems overkill to me. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:25, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I know there is no clear-cut criteria for what can be posted as ongoing as a sports item, but I feel like that honor should be reserved just for Olympics and association football World Cups, which we can definitively agree are the two biggest sporting events in the world. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Democratic backsliding in the United States

CLOSED
WP:SNOW this time. BangJan1999 21:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC) WP:NAC[reply]

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Article: Democratic backsliding in the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thirteen presidential centers from Hoover to Obama warn of fragile state of American democracy (Post)
News source(s): AP; UPI; Washington Post
Credits:
 soibangla (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Monique Bégin

Article: Monique Bégin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/feminist-pioneer-monique-b%C3%A9gin-dies-at-87-1.6962053
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former federal minister, one of the first three women from Quebec to be elected to Canadian Parliament. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Adi Winarso

Article: Adi Winarso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://radartegal.disway.id/read/665739/breaking-news-mantan-walikota-tegal-adi-winarso-meninggal-dunia
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Tegal, 1999-2009. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Hu

Article: Richard Hu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/singapore/former-finance-minister-richard-hu-dies-96
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean Minister for Finance, 1985 - 2001. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lisa Lyon

Article: Lisa Lyon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tmz.com/2023/09/08/bodybuilding-star-lisa-lyon-dead-dies/
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering American female bodybuilder. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 18:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: G. Marimuthu

Article: G. Marimuthu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Popular actor. Known for his antagonist role in Ethirneechal (TV series) Abishe (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shoukat Ali Laleka

Article: Shoukat Ali Laleka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tunku Ampuan Najihah

Article: Tunku Ampuan Najihah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BERNAMA
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Consort to former Yang Dipertuan Agong (head of state) of Malaysia Peoya (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not enough prose wise about life, excluding long templates, awards and images. Also, more citations are needed. Bremps... 03:09, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Cairney

Article: John Cairney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish actor. Filmography needs additional sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:21, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Edward Hide

Article: Edward Hide (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TBN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British Jockey. — Knightoftheswords 01:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Charles Gayle

Article: Charles Gayle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Avant Music news
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American free jazz musician. Needs more sourcing. — Knightoftheswords 01:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: María Jiménez

Article: María Jiménez (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LPLM
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish singer. Needs expansion. — Knightoftheswords 01:10, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Woefully under-referenced and not accessible to someone unfamiliar with the subject. Yes, she was a singer, but what were her commercial and critical benchmarks? I see nothing about chart positions or awards, and if this page had been written today, I'd understand a reviewer in Australia or India or the UK tagging it for notability. The page talks about "relaunching" a career (when?) but never mentions it fading away in the first place. I've removed unsourced personal information, a category on ethnicity that had no backing to it and a filmography which I blanked per WP:BURDEN due to a troublesome name in there. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not main-page quality. (The film Unknown Temptation refers to appears to exist, but wasn't linked or referenced.) Moscow Mule (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Enver Mamedov

Article: Enver Mamedov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RBC Group (in Russian)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Soviet diplomat. Should be ready to go. — Knightoftheswords 00:53, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Edgar Moron

Article: Edgar Moron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KStA
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German Politician. Needs an additional source. — Knightoftheswords 00:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter C. Newman

Article: Peter C. Newman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News, Maclean's, CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-Canadian author and Journalist. Some citations are needed in the bio and bibliography section. — Knightoftheswords 00:45, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 7

September 7, 2023 (2023-09-07) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Margherita Rinaldi

Article: Margherita Rinaldi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operawire
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian soprano with an international career. The article was almost there but practically unsourced. Sadly only one obit in English so far, but more precision and detail in several Italian sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Louis Vitale

Article: Louis Vitale (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pax Christi
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Franciscan friar, peace activist, and a co-founder of Nevada Desert Experience. Thriley (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Kitagawa sexual abuse

Proposed image
Article: Johnny Kitagawa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Japanese pop agency Johnny & Associates (headquarters pictured) publicly admits and apologizes for sexual abuses on several hundred minors committed by its late founder Johnny Kitagawa. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, The Straits Times

 210.165.152.210 (talk) 23:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - What a grim story, absolutely horrifying, but doesn't have enough significance for ITN IMO PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regretful oppose - Infuriating and disgusting. I personally would have supported posting this, but ultimately this not a surprise when it comes to the idol industry, particularly in Japan; it's one of those unfortunate dog bites man stories that I think the world has seemingly numbed itself to. I think the most interesting part of this story is how badly and thoroughly it has tarnished the founder's reputation. Yet ITN has, through repeated recent consensus, indicated that it has no interest in stories with a seemingly limited impact or lasting consequences, if the only engine driving them is moral outrage. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Japanese idol industry is a very weird rabbit hole to dive into
    But yeah, corporate scandals don't really meet the ITN criteria usually, no matter how horrible. Maybe if this sparks widespread protest and outrage in Japan, but WP:CRYSTAL and all PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Terrible, horrible and absolutely repulsive stuff, but unfortunately not significant enough for ITN. Also the bolded article probably doesn't meet WP:ITNUPDATE with essentially a 1 sentence update (if we keep with the standard that sentences that don't convey more information than the ITN blurbs not counting). The other article Johnny & Associates has a much better update of basically a paragraph, but isn't bolded. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, and a regretful one. A horrible, disgusting, and terrifying story; however, I don't think this is a shock, especially in the Japanese idol industry. It seems to be another story and situation that people have just numbed themselves to. I agree with WaltCip: ITN doesn't have interest with stories that have seemingly limited impact; with this having only moral outrage driving it. I don't remember idol scandals being on ITN ever. Still absolutely sickens me, however. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 14:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In considering such accusations, we go mainly by the result of court cases. The decisive cases happened around 20 years ago and the perp died 4 years ago. So, as news, this is quite stale and not appropriate for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Back up. The story isn't the accusation but the public admission and apology. No current or pending civil or criminal proceedings applicable here. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

September 6, 2023 (2023-09-06) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

RD: Whitey Von Nieda

Article: Whitey Von Nieda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/nba-whitey-von-nieda-f65f0704d2117c1f94f00629a663b2f5
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The first NBA player to reach 100 years of age. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hans-Ulrich Klose

Article: Hans-Ulrich Klose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Hamburgs-ehemaliger-Buergermeister-Klose-gestorben,klose238.html
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Hamburg, 1974 - 1981. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 19:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucrecia Hernández Mack

Article: Lucrecia Hernández Mack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Prensa Libre
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Guatemalan congresswoman. –FlyingAce✈hello 15:28, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ian Hamilton

Article: Ian Hamilton (footballer, born 1967) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yorkshire Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English soccer player. — Knightoftheswords 14:57, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @The Kip, Suonii180, and HistoryTheorist:, I've cleaned the {{CN}} tags in the article. — Knightoftheswords 00:34, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I will rescind my oppose. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rescinded. Citations seem adequate. The Kip 06:00, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Opposition rescinded, no longer citation issues. Suonii180 (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Burning Man 2023

WITHDRAWN
WP:SNOW - — Knightoftheswords 18:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Rainfall at the festival on September 2
Articles: Burning Man 2023 (talk · history · tag) and September 2023 southwestern U.S. floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, torrential flooding in the state of Nevada kills two people and causes the 70 thousand attendees of the Burning Man festival to be stranded in Black Rock Desert. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - WaPo - The Guardian - CBS - BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Nearly 100 thousand people are/were trapped in the boiling Nevada desert as torrential rains wrecked havoc on the annual Burning Man festival. One person has died at the event as well as another in the region, which as a whole is experiencing flooding. I frankly believe that this fits all four points of WP:ITNPURPOSE: it has been a key part of the public discourse for days now, receiving widespread attention from WP:RSes and the public alike, and related articles have been receiving a boost in views; the Burning Man article has received nearly a million views as a direct result, and the split, dedicated article about the 2023 event has already received 50,000 views in a single day. Both articles are of decent quality, with the BM2023 article itself receiving a B-class rating from WP:FESTIVAL, and the related Burning Man article being B-class as well. For those who haven't heard of it, it would be a compelling story; 73,000 people being stranded in the Great Basin living on "anarchist" principles of self-sufficiency and the like. Finally, this would add variety to the selection on ITN, thus emphasizing our dynamism. — Knightoftheswords 01:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a textualist interpretation of what ITN is. Standards have changed as more extreme weather events have occurred. The flooding aspect of this blurb is not exceptional for the world nor the country. If hundreds had died—ergo, an exceptional flood—such an event would be suitable for ITN. A major scientific discovery meets the criterion you mentioned even though it may not be in the news. There is a degree of conservatism that is necessary here. Geographic bias is a considerable factor in ITN, including this nomination. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:18, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. "70 thousand" should read "70,000" or "70 000". It's worth noting that this morning it was announced that the death appears to have been from intoxication, not the weather. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:50, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I would have been more willing to support a few days ago, but I feel like this event is getting a little stale PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by staleness? Rager7 (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the event is not even a week old, and thus by default is not stale; additionally, per repeated consensus on WT:ITN, staleness refers to any item older than the oldest ITN blurb, even if it's seven days old or more (the oldest item is from August 23), so the arguments that oppose due to staleness are invalid. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do not bludgeon discussions by responding to each post in opposition to your view. Masem (t) 15:25, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe make !votes based on policy? Seriously, this willingness to ignore policy when it suits us is why ITN was on the gallows a few weeks ago. — Knightoftheswords 16:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The policy is "We talk it out civilly, and follow what the consensus tells us to do". The reason ITN was on the gallows is because people aren't willing to let consensus be consensus, and want to argue and berate and WP:BLUDGEON every discussion that isn't going their way. Back tf down dude, you've said quite enough. --Jayron32 16:14, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about that; we've been doing that for a while now, but that never produced any results. — Knightoftheswords 17:22, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you can certainly keep doing what you're doing with the arguing and bludgeoning, and we can come back later to ANI and see if they have anything different to say as a result. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:48, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality for both bolded articles is sufficient, event is current and covered sufficiently by news to indicate significance. --Jayron32 15:49, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as a story of insufficient impact. And I'll note that "Please do no oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country" is written because very significant events are sometimes largely restricted in impact to single country, not because significance does not matter as a criterion. Nobody here is opposing because this is a US-specific event; we're opposing because at the scale we usually consider, it's not significant. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:24, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Vanamonde. Hard to see the significance in deaths resulting from, as stated by the above, poor planning combined with force majeure. Based on the outcomes of recent prior nominations, it looks like ITN as a whole seems to be steering away from posting disasters that don't carry any long-term significance. That's not an entirely bad thing. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:36, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as blurb is misleading per Bagumba. The roads were closed off well in advance of when people would be trying to leave anyway. "Porto-potties at Burning Man worse than usual due to lack of pump truck access to Playa" and "Weekend Burning Man attendees unable to show up for two days of partying and then bail immediately due to road closure" don't seem ITN-worthy. Would support a later story if BLM revokes the land use permit due to insufficient cleanup, but we won't know that for months. Folly Mox (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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September 5

September 5, 2023 (2023-09-05) (Tuesday)

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Law and crime

RD: Antonio Galves

Article: Antonio Galves (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USP (Portuguese)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian Professor of Mathematics at the University of São Paulo, jointly created the Galves–Löcherbach model. --Mike Peel (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anatol Ugorski

Article: Anatol Ugorski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bayerischer Rundfunk, also English and French
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pianist from the Soviet Union who played controversial Western Schoenberg - Messiaen - Boulez there, and found his career interrupted for a decade after his applause for Boulez at a concert was found politically unreliable, escaped to East Berlin after antisemitic harassment of his daughter, and began a new career in the West at age 50. - Article was basically there but needed references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:13, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: María Teresa Campos

Article: María Teresa Campos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cadena SER El Periódico
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pioneering, popular and referent Spanish journalist and television presenter. Expanded article with its content cited. I think it's ready, but I'm sure something needs to be polished. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Molly Holzschlag

Article: Molly Holzschlag (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tuscon Sentinel
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Key figure in the Open Web movement. (And all BLP subjects are considered notable on death.) OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Necmettin Cevheri

Article: Necmettin Cevheri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cumhuriyet (in Turkish)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish politican and lawyer. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 06:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks good to me. OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ed17 I will try, thanks, Egeymi (talk) 05:31, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yunus Bandu

Article: Yunus Bandu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://makassar.terkini.id/eks-bupati-sidrap-dan-luwu-yunus-bandu-sempat-masuk-icu-22-hari-sebelum-meninggal/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian local politician. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:40, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks good to me. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 14:47, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Adam Exner

Article: Adam Exner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The B.C. Catholic; Archdiocese of Winnipeg
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Albert Azaryan

Article: Albert Azaryan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Olympic Champion Albert Azaryan dies aged 94
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Nominator's comments: a 3 time Olympic champion 4me689 (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New PM in Vanuatu

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Articles: Sato Kilman (talk · history · tag) and Prime Minister of Vanuatu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Vanuatu, Sato Kilman (pictured) is elected prime minister by parliament, succeeding Ishmael Kalsakau (Post)
News source(s): SCMP - Reuters - ABC (Australia)
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Nominator's comments: New PM in Vanuatu. There are some citations needed in his article, but otherwise should be good to go. By the way, per List of current heads of state and government, Vanuatu's PM is the head of state. — Knightoftheswords 14:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The update is one-sentence but I guess there is not that much to say? Still, I'd like to see more text before I am comfortable by posting. Tone 14:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The first article has not been adequately updated. The lead doesn't mention anything about this. It also doesn't cover anything about how he became PM, just that it happened. Needs some expansion. The second article should not be bolded, it does not contain sufficient prose about the event to qualify as a bolded link. If these problems are fixed, ping me to re-assess. --Jayron32 15:10, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jayron32 I expanded a little bit the election mention on their biography. Bedivere (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bedivere: So, like right now, the lead states "He is Prime Minister of Vanuatu on four occasions, most recently from June 2015 to February 2016. Kilman was previously Prime Minister from December 2010 to April 2011 and from May to June 2011, though his premiership was subsequently annulled by a court of law." That is both grammatically incorrect and factually incorrect. That needs some major work before we can post this. --Jayron32 18:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes on blurb, No on picture, I don't think it needs a picture, never the less it's still a new head of government, just remember to get the article and it sources fixed first.
4me689 (talk) 15:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it is not a head of government in a significant country.
ITN doesn't particularly care about that and I'd strongly recommend you strike this comment. What is or isn't a significant country is highly subjective, and voicing opposition to something because of the country's "insignificance" goes against point 2 of WP:ITNCDONT. The Kip 18:29, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@The Kip, I said no on picture, not on the blurb, never the less, I'll still reword it. 4me689 (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would probably note how he got ousted rather than succeeded in an election. Other than that, I would probably say it's fine.
River10000 (talk) 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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