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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on May 2

Articles created/expanded on May 1

Phyllactinia guttata

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Casual Friday (The Office)

5x expanded by Hgporto (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 03:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Grey reef shark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert F. Hale

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Humphrey de Bohun, 3rd Earl of Hereford

5x expanded by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 00:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LaShaun Ward

Created by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Riaz Mohammad Khan

Created by Razzsic (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Gummer, Baron Chadlington of Dean

Five Tango Sensations

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Wollaston (painter)

Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Price's Mill

Price's Mill near Parksville, South Carolina

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 17:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amsterdam Hilton Hotel

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Ruthven Smith

Created by BusterD (talk). Self nom at 15:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Moth Ki Masjid

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

City Hall Post Office and Courthouse (New York City)

Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Dunedin

Created by Grutness (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KNND

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capture of Tunis

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 06:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Council of Bourges

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Hunt for Gollum

Created by Josiah Rowe (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of major generals in the United States Regular Army before July 1, 1920

Created by Morinao (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 30

Gashing

Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Hot Workshop

Created by Kelapstick (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Altman Lighting Co.

Created by Ylime715 (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nuestra Señora de Loreto Church

Created/expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shadow Hare

Created by Quadell (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard Siffleet

Created/expanded by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 09:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KSWB (AM)

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Woolmer Forest

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't count them. Is that more acceptable now?--Wetman (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Over 3000 chars now. – Quadell (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hook should be fine after that fact is referenced to a source by an inline citation. Ceranthor 20:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Antonio Latini

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The interest of the hook lies in how late the first mention of tomato sauce is in Italy: not what you read here and there on the 'Net.--Wetman (talk) 05:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the wording was awkward. If the interest is that you consider 1692 to be late, we should work that into another alternate. My impression was not that it was late, but early, considering it was over 300 years ago. Law type! snype? 08:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article does not match the required prose size currently. It has to be expanded by about 100 characters. Date and referencing good to go (offline references accepted in good faith), but please add categories. Todor→Bozhinov 08:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Too succinct: I'm always taking padding out of articles, rather than putting it in. Mediocre food history, such as Wikipedia's article tomato sauce until yesterday, makes out that "The tomato has been central to Italian cuisine since its introduction from the Americas", when 18th century is more like.--Wetman (talk) 12:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Franklin Jacobs

5x expanded by Jnestorius (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Man

Created by GRuban (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not Waving but Drowning

5x expanded by Mrathel (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hove Methodist Church

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wandsworth Bridge

  • ALT1:... that despite carrying over 50,000 vehicles per day, Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London"?
  • ALT2:... that despite being one of the busiest bridges in London, Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London"?
  • Comment: If not one of these, please don't try to cherry-pick a "fact" out of the article as there really isn't anything appropriate there – what's notable here is the fact that despite its importance, nothing noteworthy has ever happened there.

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Expansion length & date verified, hook referencing verified and one ref accepted in good faith. I like this idea, it's an interesting new spin for DYK: highlighting the non-uniqueness of a topic. Fairly brilliant. ;) I think I prefer ALT1, with a rewording:
  • ALT3 ... that Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London" despite carrying over 50,000 vehicles per day? Jamie☆S93 01:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Levi Coffin

Levi Coffin, 1879

5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vito Positano

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Elphinstone Fleeming

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 16:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan Church News

Created by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Book sources for hook accepted in good faith. However, the fact that it was the first printed newspaper in Taiwan comes from the newspaper's website. Do you have another source? —Mattisse (Talk) 19:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Mattisse - note number 4 covers that claim - it's an independent source, the Historical Dictionary of Taiwan (Republic of China). Google Books shows the relevant part of the Dictionary (second entry on that page). However, that reference simply says "Taiwan's first newspaper", so if you'd like to remove "printed" from the hook, that works for me too. Thanks! Taffy (talk) 01:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RichGirl

Created by Cornucopia (talk). Self nom at 09:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the names of the members of R&B girl group RichGirl include Brave and Seven? Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 09:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lo Mejor de Tu Vida

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 06:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that "Lo Mejor de Tu Vida" was the first number-one song in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart for Spanish singer Julio Iglesias? Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the song "Lo Mejor de Tu Vida" by Spanish singer Julio Iglesias held the record for biggest leap to number-one in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart for almost 20 years? Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Ashley

  • ... that with his number 1 single "Laura (What's He Got That I Ain't Got)", Leon Ashley became the first country music artist to write, record, release, distribute and publish his own material?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 04:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • All verified, but a blog is not a reliable source. Is this the only place you can source the information to? Aren't there more reliable records? Ceranthor 20:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Western Weald

5x expanded by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jerzy Borejsza

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 29

Terry Riley: Cadenza on the Night Plain

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kangchu system

  • ... that the Kangchu system was instrumental in driving Johor's economy during the 19th century?

5x expanded by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Captain's clerk

  • ... that a captain's clerk was a rating in the Royal Navy for a person employed by the captain to keep all the books necessary for passing his accounts with the Admiralty?

Created by Kirk (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

could also link to naval rating to explain why tht particular wording was used. David Underdown (talk) 10:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 sounds good to me, except the clerk did more than accounting records. Kirk (talk) 13:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Adjusted at the article. You are missing the point, explained at rating, that in the Royal Navy a "rating" is a person (anyone without a warrant or commission), while in the US Navy persons have a "rating". Otherwise some combination of alts 1&2 is fine. Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The RN section of naval rating begins "rating or rate is a military rank", so it seems perfectly reasonable to use it in the sense suggested. David Underdown (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It says it is a rank, not a term for ranks in general, as in the USN, which is how it was being used here. But I see below it at least was used as such in the 18th century. Johnbod (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support removing rating completely from the DYK if its confusing, but if you look in the OED, David and I are referring to 2a.(early 1700s), while Johnbod is referring to 2b.(1893). In this case, it was a the position held by a person on a ship's books. Kirk (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That sense is surely obselete, or anyway very obscure, in the RN. Maybe it is best to drop the word, which is hardly necessary. Johnbod (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Pang (financier)

self nom, article name is reason for not using template, Smallbones (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
perhaps it's over the top, but I just can't refuse the temptation of putting Ponzi scheme, 5th amendment, murder and stripper all in one line. I have documented this thoroughly, but please do check for BLP issues. Smallbones (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would say it's over the top, but in addition, criteria 4 states articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided. I believe that putting this on the main page would be a huge setback for BLP and would be extremely distasteful. We have higher standards for living people, and the article is comprised wholly of allegations: theft, murder, hitmen and Ponzi schemes. This may make the news, but as it is complete speculation about a living individual, good taste would dictate keeping it off the main page. Law type! snype? 01:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ill just say that I think it meets the requirement of neutrality - this is what is reported about the guy in very reliable sources, finding anything else is very problematic. There is nothing unreliable about any of the sources, page 1 article in the Wall Street Journal, backed by a Columbia Journalism Review article saying this is the best of the WSJ. SEC press release, etc. etc. It certainly meets the rest of criteria 4 (other than what you quoted) in your quote perhaps the most important word is "unduly." I"ll ask others to look and chime in. Smallbones (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not doubting the sources. Is it vital to the article to mention where his father lives and that his wife was a stripper? That's all a matter of personal taste. The mainpage, in my opinion, is not the place for BLPs about people who are presumably innocent, yet have articles completely based on accusations, speculation, and allegation. Law type! snype? 16:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This article is a BLP nightmare. Even if it is worthy of inclusion on WP, it has no place on the main page. لennavecia 16:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Completely agreed. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harrison Oxley

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Queen Millennia

Created by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alv Knutsson, Hartvig Krummedige, Knut Alvsson

Created by Williamborg (talk). Self-nom at 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Knut died in 1502, not 1501. And the hook is hard to understand. And I'm not sure about the Norwegian "independence" bit; it seems to have been a Norwegian throne under Swedish sponsorship. What precise cite in which of the three articles makes the claim? jnestorius(talk) 03:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Response - I obviously spent too much time trying to reduce this hook to 150 letters and keeping it a triple while not paying enough attention to detail - you're right about the year. You're also correct - it would have been a Norwegian throne under Swedish sponsorship. I'll spend some time seeing if I can clean it up tonight - if not I'll pull it. Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 15:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Phillip Santos

Created by Synergy (talk). Nominated by MZMcBride (talk) at 02:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first hook ref states he was the 'first Mexican-American Rhodes Scholar to attend Harvard Oxford.' The second confirms he was a Rhodes Scholar (no mention of first of his ethnic background), and the third is offline. Can we find a source that clearly verifies the hook? Thanks. Law type! snype? 03:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm obviously no Rhodes Scholar for not catching that. Thanks for the tip. All checks out. Law type! snype? 04:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

O'Neill Forebay

Created by themaeetalk 01:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 01:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, never mind. I saw the data, but still, I only need to change the measurement in the hook, as it still says that the largest caught striped bass was in the forebay. themaeetalk 04:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The .gov article also says May 1992. I think these are two different catches. I'm thinking perhaps the government is not exactly on top of things here. Big surprise, ha. Law type! snype? 21:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft Chrome

  • ... that Microsoft's Chrome project was so widely criticized by web developers for being non-standard and Microsoft's partners for being slow that the project was cancelled before it was released?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Dreamed a Dream

Susan Boyle

  • Comment: On behalf of the newbie (to DYK) author.

Created by Zephyrnthesky (talk). Nominated by Sceptre (talk) at 23:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

California's 12th congressional district election, 1946

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Our ships crossed in the night, Mattisse. Check again.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Verified, as complete reference has been added (See above). —Mattisse (Talk) 23:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corgi Motorcycle Co Ltd.

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 19:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hartvig Andreas Munthe

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 19:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Death of Procris

The Death of Procris

Created by Ghirlandajo (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sultan Ghari

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article length and history verified. However, the hook remains unverified. In the article, the only time it appears is at the beginning...without a reference. It'll be a shame to not have this great article not star on the front page, so find some refs! Cheers. I'mperator 12:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in the hook, I don't think the word "tomb" is needed: that's why it's linked. Cheers. I'mperator 16:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the review. Please see my clarifications under the discussion page of the article. I have now introduced two references in the first line of the article to cite the Hook. I will introduce an Alt Hook after knowing your further views.Thanks--Nvvchar (talk) 05:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters

5x expanded by 03md (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have expanded quite a bit more but not sure whether it will be enough. The problem is that some editors within Tennis WP consider detailed tournament articles to be too much like fansite, so it would be great if you could look at whether the language is encyclopedic enough. 03md 21:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Koslov

5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 10:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shenkeng, Taipei

5x expanded by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Skippers

Created by Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one singles of 2009 (Japan)

Created by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dragon Ball Kai episodes

Created by Sarujo (talk), Goodraise (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best of Soul

  • ... that BoA's Best of Soul made her the first non-Japanese Asian singer to have two million-selling albums in Japan?

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hugh Stockwell

Created by Cool3 (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. There is something wrong with the ISBN for the book you use to source the hook. I cannot locate that ISBN. Also, what is interesting or intriguing about the hook? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Not sure what the problem with the ISBN is. It's this book [1], and that isbn refers to the specific volume. Also, it's very interesting that he was promoted that quickly. Typically, it would take at least a decade to go from Major to Major General, and he did it in less than half of that. Cool3 (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • My guess is that he was promoted 4 times in 5 years. Pretty unusual and interesting, since most people familiar with military promotions have only witnessed peace-time promotion rates. Nathan T (formerly Avruch) 01:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine for general readers. Johnbod (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Remaining sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

6th European Parliament

Created by Anameofmyveryown (talk), JLogan (talk), Nightstallion (talk). Nominated by Anameofmyveryown (talk) at 00:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ah. Fair point. Since this kind of article is essentially a list-of-lists (this person occupied this post during this term), it's not likely to get any better: indeed, prose would be discouraged. I'll check with the other collaborators, but it's pretty likely this nomination will have to be withdrawn. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skrivanek

  • ... that translation agency Skrivanek is the one with the most branch offices in the world?

Created by Luise107 (talk). Self nom at 08:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 28

Salbit

Created by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk), Al Ameer son (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Susquehannock Trail Sysytem, Hammersley Wild Area

  • Comment: Hammersley Wild Area was started April 30, Susquehannock Trail System was started April 28

Created by Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

V. Ramaswami

Created by Like I Care (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KLYC

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johannes Gerckens Bassøe

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 20:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anime and manga fandom

  • ... that Del Rey Manga finds most of its translator talent from anime and manga fans at conventions since fluent English speakers who know enough Japanese are preferred over native Japanese translators?

5x expanded by AngelFire3423 (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rivoli Theatre (South Fallsburg, New York)

Lytes Cary

5x expanded by User:Stronach (talk), Rodw (talk). Self nom at 13:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ann-Kristin Olsen

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 07:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In 1983 she became the first female chief of police in the whole of Norway, stationed in the city of Halden.[3]
From 1995 to 1998 she was Norway's Governor of Svalbard, again being the first woman to hold the position.[3]
OK. Sources accepted in good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Chelan AVA

  • Comment: Online Seattle Business Journal ref (FN#2) in History section

Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well for brevity and the 200 char req in part, but also because we have the description early on of "wine region" and the linking to American Viticultural Area which give context and limit the need to spell out the acronym. AgneCheese/Wine 02:55, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting for a Want

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

R. Thamaraikani

Created by Like I Care (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alice Allison Dunnigan

Created by Synergy (talk), Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johan Hultin

Created by Mahanga (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gold Toe Brands

  • Length and date verified. However, hook is sourced to company website which is not a reliable source for this information. Also, what is meant by "department stores"? These days there are not many so-called department stores around. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the only source for this fact. Will supplement. All sources use the same "department stores" term without additional elaboration. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That probably means that all the sources got their "fact" from the company website, as "department store" category accounts for a small amount of sales in the days of Walmart. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless, they were vetted and published by reliable publishers. That's the standard we go by at WP:RS. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added a third reference for the hook: The Washington Post. No remaining objections, I hope? Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That four year old article says "Especially black. Of all the socks sold, 60 percent are black, according to Gold Toe Hosiery, which should know, because the Burlington, N.C., company controls 54 percent of the sock market. Walk into any department store and more than half of the socks are made by Gold Toe. You guys are probably wearing Gold Toe socks right now. At most, you paid $10 for them."
Does that sound like a business news article to you? Does a news article address the readership as "you guys"? Which is the author: "Blue-Chip Socks Haute Hose" by Vivek Nagrani (at the top) or "Just the Thing to Cool Your Heels" By Robin Givhan? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added a fourth source, published by Simon and Schuster. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Share the World/We Are!

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hope you don't mind I changed it from non-Japanese artist to foreign. Foreign artist is the better term as no other artist from any nationality has accomplished this feat.

Joseph Takahashi

Created by Madcoverboy (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KKEE

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To prevent this going to errors, how about "one of the first" despite what I'm sure is a good source and what may be correct. See Talk:Astoria Column for a competing claim. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That would be fine with me, and while I note that there are other claims to the invention, The Cable Center site says, "However, Mr. Parsons is probably best known for building the first system in the U.S. that used coaxial cable, amplifiers, and a community antenna to deliver television signals to an area that otherwise would not have been able to receive broadcast television signals." They go to to describe him as "the father of community antenna television" but I'll leave that fight for people with more invested in the history of television. (I'm a radio guy.) - Dravecky (talk) 09:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Fallsburg Hebrew Association Synagogue

Two possibilities:

Note: if this and all other preceding noms of mine are approved and used, this will be my 200th DYK. Daniel Case (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Demandatam

Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pitfall trap

Created by Richard001 (talk). Self nom at 10:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blacktip shark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wow. The article started out with 2,700+ prose characters, and I wasn't sure if the fivefold expansion would be complete. Everything checks out, though, and the offline book referencing accepted AGF. What a fantastic article, and rapid expansion work! Go nom it at WP:GAN. :) Jamie☆S93 14:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Red (cipher machine)

  • ... that a major weakness of the Japanese RED cipher arose from the desire to save money on telegrams?

Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't qualify for DYK because it is not a 5x expansion. Awadewit (talk) 21:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? It was only moved into article space two days ago! Mangoe (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mangoe is correct; please see F3, which also notes that we often overlook that situation. Art LaPella (talk) 05:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Julian of Cuenca

  • ... that the medieval bishop Julian of Cuenca (pictured) raised money for himself and the poor by making and selling baskets?

Created by Polylerus (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 27

Terry King (patricide)

  • ... that Terry King was bludgeoned to death with an aluminum baseball bat by his two children, Derek and Alex, who then set fire to the family home in hopes of concealing the crime?

Created by Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • If Derek and Alex are still alive (probably are, since the event occurred in 2001), the hook is too negative and too controversial. Actually, even if they're dead this is quite negative, and we have higher standards for LPs. If two uninvolved people can write a book making the case for their innocence, it's not completely clear who did the crime. Shubinator (talk) 21:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I feel certain that the position changed twice (this was a typo on my part, I should have said that they took three different defense positions, but instead said that they changed it three times, implying four different stories), but alas, I can't find the reference. I struck that part of the hook, and I will look for that information some more later tonight. Because this is in a sense a BLP I will also go over sourcing for related statements in the actual article before it hits mainpage. Thanks for going over my work so carefully! — Jake Wartenberg 22:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Got it. Ref #4 says "Mr. Rimmer said at the time of the trial that his office brought both cases because the boys confessed to the crime before recanting to a grand jury and saying they were covering up for Mr. Chavis." Then ref #7 has them pleading guilty after the first guilty verdict was thrown out. So, can we make it two times? — Jake Wartenberg 22:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GRB 090423

  • ... that GRB 090423 is the current record-holder as the event/object most distant from Earth?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 19:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington National Opera (1919-1936)

  • ... that an early Washington National Opera, unrelated to its modern namesake, presented Bidu Sayão in her US operatic debut in 1936, but with organ owing to a financial dispute with the orchestra?

Created by Drhoehl (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the orchestra players claimed the company owed them money and on the night of the performance refused to play unless paid in cash, which was not forthcoming. Would the following phrasing be more clear? By my count, it comes in at just 200 characters; I may have lost clarity in trying to keep the first one a bit under that figure. Drhoehl (talk) 03:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that an early Washington National Opera, unrelated to its modern namesake, presented Bidu Sayão in her 1936 US operatic debut with organ, not orchestra, accompaniment owing to a financial dispute?
Yes. Thank you. Others will evaluate the hook further in a few days. Art LaPella (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lipka Rebellion

Note on first hook - there's ref included that state that there was no rebellions prior or afterward. If that's not enough, go with alt. Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

San Ildefonso College

Facade of San Ildefonso

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article length, date, and hook look good, offline reference accepted in good faith. — Jake Wartenberg 21:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rigoberto Torres

  • ... that Rigoberto Torres and John Ahearn collaborated on the South Bronx Hall of Fame, monuments of ordinary people as a response to the practice of enshrining public figures?

Created by Nathan (talk), Synergy (talk), Durova (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Percy Hurd

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It can be shorter if the grandson's description is reported as fact rather than as commentary:
Is this better? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's silly, and how reliable a source is Douglas on this anyway? Was he there? The first hook has a point to it.

Henrik Langeland

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KLMG

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 19:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Best: His Mother's Son

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Political Cesspool

Created by User: Stonemason89 (talk). Self nom

  • Hook is sourced to the show's own website, not a reliable third-party source as is the basic requirement. Also, bare URLs should be replaced with properly formatted citations. - Dravecky (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cotton Press (Latta, South Carolina), Cotton Press (Tarboro, North Carolina)

Latta Cotton Press

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara McGuire

  • ... that Barbara McGuire invented the "Duo-Stamp," a two-sided rubber stamp with an inverse and converse design that is popular with the stamping community?
  • Comment: saved from PROD and expanded from stub status to current form

5x expanded by ThaddeusB (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I try :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wes Schulmerich

5x expanded by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Bauman

5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 8)

Created by Matthewedwards (talk). Self nom at 03:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ida Henrietta Hyde

5x expanded by Silver seren (talk) 2:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on April 26

Knud Bull

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johannes Sejersted Bødtker

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marco Marziale

Created by PHG (talk), expanded and nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 19:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fatima Jibrell

  • ... that Fatima Jibrell founded Horn Relief, an organization aiming to save forests of acacia trees in Somalia from damage by charcoal production?

5x expanded by Middayexpress (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 19:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liber instrumentorum memorialium

Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Samuel D. McDearmon

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

University of Toronto Libraries

Robarts Library

Created by Jphillips23 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Max Bauer (wrestler)

5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 11:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Life After People: The Series

Created by User101010 (talk), Cyberia23 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 23:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crusader (TV series)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

expanded to 1500Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take a Girl Child to Work Day

Created by Kwill (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 23:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced almost entirely to the event's own website. Awadewit (talk) 21:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if I can vote or not :) ... I have updated the article to include more sources, Kwill, aka d<3vid seaward | Talk 22:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kwill! --Another Believer (Talk) 04:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Henry Barry

Created by Rlevse (talk), 5x expanded by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silver Lake (Woodridge, New York), Silver Lake Dam

Silver Lake, Woodridge, NY

Influenza-like illness

Created by Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • That source says During an epidemic, about 60-70% of patients with a clear influenza-like illness actually have influenza; "during an epidemic" is a crucial qualifier. Is this really a "by the way", or do I need to provide more sources or a different hook? --Una Smith (talk) 02:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heh, it's really a "by the way". I was thinking it could make a hook if you wanted. But the epidemic part is crucial, so if you don't want to use the ref, that's completely fine. Shubinator (talk) 03:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1

Amalia Mesa-Bains

Southwestern Sri Lanka rivers and streams

a stream in Horton Plains National Park

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Galapagos shark

  • ... that the Galapagos shark (pictured) is often the most abundant shark around oceanic islands?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of current United States first spouses

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Davidic dynasty in Bible prophecy

Created by Jorfer (talk). Self nom at 00:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow Star (book)

  • ... that the book Yellow Star is based on the true story of one of twelve children who survived the Lodz Ghetto?

5x expanded by Jclemens (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Cepello

Created by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spray-on condom

Created by Synergy (talk), Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the first Alt is much better. The second Alt mentions a device, which is a bit confusing because there is no device other than the canister of liquid condom. Sorry about the initial hook; I just wasn't sure how much info I wanted in the hook. Synergy 23:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This one needs a picture.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus!
and in all honesty should be held for April Fools day next year!---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nathaniel Henry Hutton

Nathaniel Henry Hutton

Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

HMS Cleopatra (1779), HMS Milan (1805), Sir Robert Laurie, 6th Baronet

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cothelstone Manor

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yana Gorskaya

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source for this fact is not reliable: "hollywoodfirm.com, LLC (limited liability corporation) is an international talent management & advertisement company for actors, actresses, models, singers, voice-overs, dancers and other performers. Our purpose is to promote you to major casting directors, entertainment networks, production companies and talent agencies." Awadewit (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the source (see above). Awadewit (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The alt hook is taken from the next two sentences, beginning with "She was hired to edit her first feature film..." which has a different citation (ref #3). —97198 (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the poorly sourced information from the article. However, about half of the information in the article is from press releases, which are essentially advertisements. Press releases are unreliable sources. Awadewit (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Dolphin

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 12:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source for the information on Station IX in the article appears to be a WP:SPS. Is there a reason to believe this is reliable? Also, the section of the article on the atomic bomb seems to be based on primary sources instead of secondary sources. Awadewit (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've no opinion on the Station IX stuff, but it seems to me that virtually everything in the atomic bomb stuff can actually be derived from teh record description published by The National Archives, and the short summary of the record (also produced by TNA) published when the record was opened to the public. Neither of those mention the specific reason for the rejection of his claim, which does need the original documents, perhaps this could be clarified by noting that the reason is a quote from teh original document? David Underdown (talk) 11:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fatma Aliye Topuz

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 10:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir

5x expanded by Vantine84 (talk). Self nom at 08:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ward Van Orman

Created by NVO (talk). Self nom at 08:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oriental carpets in Renaissance painting

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, fine Johnbod (talk) 02:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Green Child

Created by Malleus Fatuorum (talk). Self nom at 04:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Usually, we ask that articles be a tad more well-rounded than this one, which is almost entirely plot summary. See D6. I saw lots of material in the Google Books preview of the Barker book that could be used. Awadewit (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I don't want to rush it just for the sake of a DYK. --Malleus Fatuorum 12:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OMG. You're my hero for the day. Awadewit (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 25

Hallein Salt Mine

  • ... that the Hallein Salt Mine (pictured) is known for its long wooden slides for miners and tourists to descend into the mine?

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

25 article nomination

Has Ottava had a "monster" recently? Where is it located? --candle•wicke 20:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ottava et al had a 16 article hook on March 7, 2008.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't call it a requirement (see L1) but there was a precedent somewhere for rejecting monster noms. Art LaPella (talk) 19:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. :( Can I request rules E1 and E2 be invoked here? They are all technically related and I discovered some links between some articles that aren't even mentioned... --candle•wicke 20:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember what the ultimate conclusion was on Doug Coldwell's 16-article hook a while back (I think we ended up allowing it, right, in a greatly compacted form?) but I have to raise my voice against this one. First of all, it's illegible—both because of the sea of bluelinks and the complex embeddings. It might be an interesting hook if I can navigate it, but no one will want to take the time to do that. Secondly, the people these hooks are meant for are the main page readers, not for us; thus, hooks should be written to appeal to them, not to show us insiders how much we can do. DYK people might think it's cool that such a big hook was put together, but someone who has no idea how DYK works won't care, they'll just see something ridiculous. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And, for what it's worth, E1 and E2 are rules about how to use the nom template and stuff like that; did you mean something else? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to multiple sentences in the hook... it would mean less connecting words and maybe enhance readability. I would argue that with these so-called "monster" hooks we typically see a list, i.e. ...that X wrote A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and so on. However, this nomination does not follow that formula (and, as far as I'm aware, neither have any of my previous ones). Yet a list type nomination is often to be found on the Main Page. This hook is not such a list. It has involved more thought to link a number of related topics and, from my own point of view, appears no worse than what one would normally find at DYK (apart from problems being raised over its length). I've often seen some nominations that are blatantly obvious or that aren't particularly eye-catching make it onto the Main Page. I don't understand why length would be such an major issue. I would understand if it didn't fit but it's not that massive really... as for notions that people would think it ridiculous – is this because it is unusual? People are always complaining and thinking the Main Page looks ridiculous. It is difficult to appeal to everyone but who is to say that lengthy DYKs don't have a cult following amongst readers? It could surely look no more ridiculous than the day there were two TFAs. From that experiment (and from the previous monsters at DYK) it is clear that the Main Page does not stick to a rigid set of rules. I find this interesting because it leaves all sorts of possibilities open and this is one such opportunity. Navigating the hook, I am willing to provide the sources here and to specify which part each is for if it helps... --candle•wicke 23:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The link is Additional rules E1 and E2 - don't tell me we've ended up with two sets of additional rules/explanations using the same numbering system... I have renamed the section because it's too long for edit summaries to be useful. On the merits of the hook, it is far too convoluted and tenuously connected to be readable. The hotel with which you start and the person with whom you finish have nothing in common. "Technically related" is putting it mildly; it reads like a nightmare game of "Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon". Please split it into more closely connected groups of hooks, rather than having more than one sentence in a hook. In no way is this comparable to the unique situation of two TFAs. I BencherliteTalk 23:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We do indeed have two sets of rules using the same numbering system. That's because one was intended to replace the other, but it didn't turn out that way. This is the first time that has been a problem, because additional rules are usually called "additional rule xx", and anyway links are usually provided. If this becomes a pain, we could reverse one of the numbering systems; that is, E1 and E2 become 1E and 2E. Art LaPella (talk) 02:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Additional Rule E1 is about the word "that", and Additional Rule E2 is about those who occasionally argue that only one sentence is allowed. So how are either E1 and E2 relevant? Art LaPella (talk) 03:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is completely indigestible as it is. Breaking it up into separate sentences would also be creating a precedent that I'm not sure we'd want to do. I also sense it would be difficult to do. There's a ridiculous 25 noms in this hook, I see at least three separate hooks here. Gatoclass (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I beg to differ--it's not indigestible at all, and the mere fact that the articles are not simply an enumeration makes it all the more impressive--and "impressive" is a much more appropriate word here than "ridiculous." OK, so it is not unlike a Kevin Bacon game, but it is no nightmare, and it deserves a main page A for effort AND execution. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested breakup:

The trouble with the above is that we arrive at Bazil Ashmawy out of nowhere (he is missing his connection). With regards to the relationship between first and last, I began with a cookery theme and I ended with a television programme in which one of the hook's cooks appeared briefly (source). So there is a relationship of sorts between the subjects. They are also all connected to television in some way, shape or form, the majority being either cookery or reality. What if they were run under one another in the same queue? That way the three might make more sense... --candle•wicke 00:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One almost always has to compromise a little when writing a hook. The Basil Ashmawy article is not a nommed article so it's not terribly important to add info on it, although one might conceivably get away with a word or two of introduction. As to your other comment, I don't see any point in running a series of hooks consecutively, we strive for variety in updates. Gatoclass (talk) 01:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt for hook 3: ... that the first season of Celebrity Bainisteoir was said to have "brought the worlds of celebrity and GAA club football crashing together", and the second season features Working Girls and Wonderwomen star Katherine Lynch and Miss Universe contender Andrea Roche? BencherliteTalk 01:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That reads fine to me as an alt, assuming it is short enough. Gatoclass (talk) 01:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pacnews

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Cragin Mill

  • ... that Frye's Measure Mill (pictured) is the only surviving operating water-powered measure mill in the United States?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hazel

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:35 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Dick and the Duchess

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Algoma, Oregon

5x expanded by Orygun (talk), Katr67 (talk), Doncram (talk), and ZabMilenko (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 07:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT:

Monumental sculpture

  • ... that the definition of monumental sculpture (example pictured) may vary depending on the period being discussed?

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bolek Polívka

Created by Vejvančický (talk), Haploidavey (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Batani al-Sharqi

Created by Al Ameer son (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William A. Bowles, Harrison H. Dodd, Lambdin P. Milligan

Lambdin P. Milligan

Created by Bedford (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stacey Castor

  • ... that part of what helped the criminal case against convicted murderer Stacey Castor was the evidence of calcium oxalate crystal growth in the kidneys of her deceased victims via antifreeze poisoning?

Created by Concertchorale (talk), Flyer22 (talk). Nominated by Flyer22 at 10:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Article was a stub before I significantly expanded it. I was originally going to create the article, but was "beaten to the punch" due to not wanting it to simply be a stub or very mediocre. Flyer22 (talk) 10:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Length, date, and hook ref all check out CanadianNine 01:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We can't use this - sections of the article are almost copied word-for-word from the sources. Certainly, the structure of the sentences and paragraphs are copied. Awadewit (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the article is in my own words. I will go ahead and reword other parts of the article right now. Once I'm done with that, I will come back and inform you. Flyer22 (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion about this article is going on at its talk page. I feel that it is fine now. But, apparently, that is up to Awadewit. The time for when this article will no longer be eligible for DYK is drawing near (if not already the case), though, and perhaps it is a moot point now. Flyer22 (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American System-Built Homes

5x expanded by Freekee (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • 3040/749 = 4.1x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 3778/749 = 5.0x expansion. So the expansion's good. I can't find an inline citation for the hook fact, though. In general, you have large sections lacking citations. Should be easy to fix though. Shubinator (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Citations are tough, since the article was created out of several different sources. I'd have to put a ref on each sentence, and it would be rather pointless. There's no particular reference for this hook, it's just how it is. I did change around my references section to make it easier to find info that one would try to verify. But if that's not good enough, how about a different hook?...

Or something like that? -Freekee (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • This hook is verified, but the article needs more references. The DYK rules say that the article in general should use inline, cited sources. It's a good practice for verifiability. That might mean a ref at the end of every sentence, yes. Shubinator (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I thought the first hook was hookier, IMO, but I see it doesn't fit your rules, since it doesn't appear as a concise sentence in the article. The second is fine, and properly referenced. As for the rest of the article, I didn't think it needed to have inline references at every spot, because it meets general Wikipeida guidelines for references, and I don't see a more specific requirement in your rules. But I added the inline refs anyway. -Freekee (talk) 18:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Escue Tillman

Created by BusterD (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • At 218 characters, the first hook's too long. However, the second hook is kind of confusing: was he found using said flying device, or did he invent it? If it's the first, I hardly think "was discovered" is the appropriate term. Everything else checks out, though. Just brush those things up, and it'll be fine. :) Cheers. I'mperator 23:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Push and a Shove: A Novel

Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Nominated by Benjiboi (talk) at 14:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is really just a plot summary with some lists. Could we at least get a "Reception" or "Genre" section before this goes on the main page per D6? Awadewit (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We were trying to avoid fluffing it. Is there an example of "genre" I can look at? In looking at D6 I think we do cover the content without belabouring it. We could dive into bullying and revenge as the major themes but that might step us into OR concerns. -- Banjeboi 12:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Persian embassy to Europe (1599–1602)

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smalltooth sand tiger

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x revision verified Book reference verified(I own that book) Drew R. Smith (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trout Creek Mountains

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St Joseph's Church, Brighton

St Joseph's Church

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Peek, Loddiswell

Richard Peek as High Sheriff

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Grouard

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tandberg Storage

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 19:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Unsure about sources, as most of article is sourced by company website. Although the sources for hook are probably OK, is it all right to have an article that is primarily sourced by the company website? Also, the hook gives no information as to why this fact is interesting or intriguing. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James D. Hutton

Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Puyehue-Cordón Caulle

View from Puyehue's summit into its crater

  • Comment: The Puyehue-Cordón Caulle Volcanic Complex is unique in many aspects; for explame morphology, geochemistry, geothermal activity and eruptive style

Created by Dentren (talk). Self nom at 17:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prevailing winds

  • ... that the prevailing winds at any particular location are dependent upon the latitude of a location, the presence of nearby mountains, and the presence of a nearby water body?

5x expanded by Thegreatdr (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • According to the history page, the article was 2.2kb before my edits. It was 13.5 kb (a 6x expansion) when submitted for DYK, and now it's up to 14.8kb (nearly a 7x expansion). I don't see the issue, unless you're computing the article size differently than wikipedia automatically does. If so, let me know how much more it needs to be expanded to make your 5x cutoff. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A problem is that this article has incorporated at least one other article to create the expansion. For example, wind rose is copied word for word into this article. It has also copied, word for word, the first paragraph of trade winds and Polar easterlies. I added to the article a little to get the word count up, but then I noticed this problem. The expansion is supposed to include only material new to Wikipedia to count, I believe. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow. Good luck determining that. Some articles, such as prevailing winds, are parent articles to others such as trade winds, westerlies, polar easterlies, and to some degree sea breeze. It has been a common method of mine in filling out stub/start articles where the research was already done within other articles with the already-researched information. There is new content being added, however, so it's not all old material to Wikipedia. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 24

Free produce movement

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Madison Square Garden (1925)

Created by Patken4 (talk). Nominated by Chrishomingtang (talk) at 19:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cabinet of Singapore

5x expanded by Jacklee (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 14:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Myrick

Created by Skialta855 (talk), Dank55 (talk), LeaveSleaves (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dorothy Bridges

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johanson-Blizzard syndrome

Created by Rcej (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps "can cause" instead of "features"? --Another Believer (Talk) 18:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Serapion

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upper and Lower Table Rock

Created by ZabMilenko (talk), Little Mountain 5 (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 08:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wordy, suggest this one:
Works for me. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wendelin Grimm Farmstead

Created by Elkman (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poses (album)

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 02:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leonard T. Schroeder

Created by JGHowes (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Featherstone (artist)

5x expanded by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Brown (Rin Tin Tin)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom.[reply]

  • Error: Too many parameters. DYKmake takes two parameters: one for the article title and one for the username.

Chorioactis geaster

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've fattened up the article (like force-feeding ducks to make foie-gras), please have another look. Also, how about a catchier ALT hook:

... that the rare "Devil's Cigar" mushroom (pictured) releases a smoky cloud of spores with an audible hissing sound?

Singin' and Swingin' and Gettin' Merry Like Christmas

Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Self nom by Christine (talk) 22:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • We usually don't accept articles that are almost entirely plot summaries. See D6. If you can expand this a bit in the next few days with at least the beginnings of a "Reception" section, it should be fine. Awadewit (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've been working on expanding the article for the last few days, but I need a couple more days. I may be finished by tonight. So would you mind putting this request on hold for a little while longer? Thanks. --Christine (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I was just coverin' my substantial backside. I have some minor tweaking to do, but I have now pasted a "Themes" section to this article, which I suspect fulfills your request. Thanks again. --Christine (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Farrell

  • ... that Richard Farrell, who died in a car accident in 1958, aged 31, has been described as "New Zealand's greatest classical pianist"?

Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This source, used for the quotation, does not look reliable. Note that the site is run by "a collection of people who are supporters of New Zealand music". Furthermore, this quote does not even appear on the page. The closest thing is "He's regarded by many as the 'greatest NZ classical pianist'", which is taken from a user comment on the website. Awadewit (talk) 13:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos de Beistegui

Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • One of the opening sentences of the article was a copyvio from the New York Times (I have now removed it and left a note on the article's talk page). The entire article should be checked. Awadewit (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Roach

John Roach

Created/expanded by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 23

Basedth District

5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 17:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Oswald Brodie

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Valérie Nicolas, French Handball Federation

5x expanded by Aikurn (talk), Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

B-Boy

5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 04:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen Neel

Created by Avannupo (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 19:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article and its reference make that claim but they can't know that. According to the totem pole article, even the origin of totem poles requires some guesswork, so any women carving totem poles centuries ago are unknown today. Art LaPella (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it's impossible to know but NW tribes have very strict traditions regarding gender roles. I changed the article to read "first known professional female totem pole carver" with a new reference. At least that is provable. -Avannupo (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Avannupo[reply]

William H. Lewis

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 16:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Double aortic arch

Created by LDue (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Egil Eide

Egil Eide as Dr. Stockman in Henrik Ibsen's An Enemy of the People, 1915

  • ... that when Ibsen's play Brand was first staged in Norway, 38 years after it was published, Egil Eide (pictured) played the title role?

Created by Lugnuts (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Fields Methodist Campground

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I need some help. Do you mean that (1) I should move the reference number to the sentence in the introduction instead of the one after it or (2) do you mean that no one specifically said 160 years (actually 2009 - 1848)?KudzuVine (talk) 23:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gerhard Munthe (painter)

Gerhard Munthe, painted by Christian Krohg in 1885

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leonid Konovalov

Created by Cordovao (talk). Self nom at 16:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the bit about him not properly showering for 19 years is very interesting and shouldn't be left out. I understand if people think this is me protecting my suggested hook, but I believe more people will want to read the article if they read about his lack of a shower for so long due to it being an intriguing fact, in my opinion. Cordovao (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Emma

Created by Parrot of Doom (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Grove (Ole Miss)

Created by Allstarecho (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Archie Roe

Archie Roe pictured in Gillingham colours in 1920

created by ChrisTheDude (talk), 5x expanded the following day by Struway2 (talk). Nominated by ChrisTheDude (talk) at 09:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caleb Huse

Caleb Huse circa 1904

Created/expanded by Trippz (talk). Self nom at 08:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does that work? Do I correct it here? --Trippz (talk) 02:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's under the limit, but it's still hard to follow. Would this work?

Conservative and Unionist Women's Franchise Association

Valentine Baker (pilot)

Created by Howcheng (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gay class fast patrol boat, HMS Gay Viking, HM Motor Gun Boat 2007

  • Comment: Following on from the recent 'Lesbians going down' April Fools Day hook, and the usual banter about 'Gays in the Navy', would this do for 2010 April Fools?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 22

Tea production in Sri Lanka

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld and Chanakal Self nom at 17:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check... I'll replace it with this Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Then you have to change the 1870s to 1860s.--Caspian blue 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
good to go.--Caspian blue 06:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steamed clams

Created by ChildofMidnight (talk), Bongomatic (talk). Nominated by Kelapstick (talk) at 15:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • because the title of the article is "misleading". I recommend the editors working on the article change the title to "Steamer" or "Consumption of steamed clams in the United States and United Kingdom" or globalize the contents. French, Belgians are known for their steamed clam dishes. There are many "steamed clam dishes" in not only Chinese cuisine but also throughout in Asian cuisine.--Caspian blue 15:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You obviously have a VERY powerful search engine. I have internationalized the article and it is now a veritable United Nations of steamed clams. I hope that many more steamed clam dishes and cultures will be added and represented as more and more Wikipedians and clam loving people around the world take an interest in this important subject. I hope I have shelled out enough clams to satisfy your excellent point. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for the globalized the article. The hook, date and article length are verified.--Caspian blue 06:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Steel's in Town

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, but the article is currently too short. It is 1475 characters, while it must be at least 1500 characters in order for it to be eligible. Only 25 more characters, then the article would be long enough. I did not check the source, but it can't be accepted unless this minor problem is fixed. Thanks! The Earwig (User | Talk | Contributions) 23:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas G. W. Settle

Created by NVO (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Murphy Malin

  • ... that Patrick Murphy Malin was expected to become head of the family bank, but instead served as executive director of the ACLU?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silene tomentosa

Created by Gibmetal77 (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doesn't endemic mean it only grows there? I got burned on that one once. Seems redundant to say "only grows in".--Wehwalt (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, but there are a few problems with the article. It is classified as a stub (it has 1136 characters instead of the required 1500), and per the DYK rules, cannot become a Did you know? entry. While the hook contains one extra character than is allowed, this is not such a big problem. Most importantly the article is too short. Thanks for your submission! The Earwig (User | Talk | Contributions) 23:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 21

New American Tea Party

Created by Hmwith (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the information in this article needs to be presented more carefully. For example, the first sentence is "The New American Tea Party is a nonpartisan[1] political umbrella organization that protests the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009". The footnote for "nonpartisan" is linked to a FoxNews report. However, the article itself acknowledges that Fox, a partisan station, has come under fire for its promotion of these parties. As many reports of these tea parties are going to be highly politicized, I think we have take extreme care in how we present this information. We need to make readers very aware of who is saying what about these events and this organization. Awadewit (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. However, the hook itself does not mention "nonpartisan", and is accurate in that it does protest the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 and does relate to the Boston Tea Party. I am no FOX News fan, and I understand your argument, but I do not see how the hook can be deemed as inappropriate. Feel free to let me know if another hook would be better and I'd be happy to come up with another one. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But I think when we are linking to this article from the main page, we want the article itself to follow best practices, don't you? Awadewit (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. However, is FOX News no longer a reliable source to use on Wikipedia? If a news source indicates non-partisanship, regardless of their own reputation, the claim should still be able to be made. Perhaps the idea of Fox's so-called sponsorship (so-called encouragement and obvious coverage) needs to be addressed further in the article, but I still don't think it impacts the hook itself. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say Fox News wasn't reliable - I said we should make it clear who is saying what in the article. For example, there are specific claims being made by the right-leaning Fox News and left-leaning Huffington Post, but all of these are presented objectively in the text of the article. The source of the information needs to be presented much more clearly to the reader. Not everything at DYK is about the hook - we assess the articles as well. Awadewit (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • commentWhile I agree that Fox News's commentators' role in promoting the tea parties creates a problem with their use as a source ( I also question the use of commentator-driven news segments as news sources), I don't think that the apparent political slant of a news organization's members necessarily disqualifies their ability to declare something non-partisan. Unlike bi-partisan, the term "non-partisan" isn't really debatable-- either it affiliates with a party or it does not. Having a conservative or liberal slant does not affect "partisanship", which implies formal association with a party. Mrathel (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is the partisanship really what is being questioned so much as the influence of FOX NEWS? Partisanship requires a formal connection between a group and a party; to suggest that a news network might be behind a movement does not meet the formality requirement to suggest partisanship.To suggest that there is an informal connection between a movement is really a matter of ideology rather than partisanship. Mrathel (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is missing the point. The problem is that the article is presenting an opinion as if it were an undisputed fact, which is a straightforward violation of WP:ASF. So I don't think we can feature this article at DYK until that particular statement is either appropriately qualified or else removed. Gatoclass (talk) 01:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your argument. You are saying that "nonpartisan" is an opinion, but you say that I am missing the point when I argue that it isn't. Let me break my argument down one more time to clarify: "Nonpartisan" means "free from party affiliation." If a group claims to be nonpartisan, that should not be disputed unless there is evidence that the organization has a formal relationship with a political party (hence the word partisan, denoting "party). Connections between the group and a news organization, such as FOX NEWS, or its commentators, does not designate "partisanship" but rather an ideological bias. If a group claims non-partisanship and no formal connection between that group and a political party can be made, then do they have to wait until a news article stating "Study Finds New America Tea Party Nonpartsan" before they can officially state that they don't have a party affiliation? I understand the concept of verifiability, but I believe that if a group designates itself with a political stance, it is usually accepted unless proven false. Mrathel (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I concede that I did indeed miss your point. My apologies. However, the meaning of "nonpartisan" to which you refer is only one meaning. The more general meaning is simply "not partisan". I also have a problem with the supposed reference, just some talking head using the term in passing. I don't actually see anything at the teaparty website itself where they specifically describe themselves as "nonpartisan". So I think the quality of the ref. in this instance is questionable. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here [2] is an article that makes the non-partisan ref as well. I think that the bulk of the problem with the "nonpartisan" claim is that people are confusing the term. It basically means that a group does not formally have a party it supports. A group can be 100% Democrat and still be "nonpartisan" if they do not formally make the attachment. The article on CPAC describes the group as nonpartisan even though it is without a doubt conservative and 100% against the Obama administration; uniting against a party does not imply connection to another.As for the FOX NEWS ref; i think it is garbage. Mrathel (talk) 07:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately that link won't load for me.
Although technically you may be correct in your definition of "nonpartisan", my concern is primarily that people who are unaware of this technical definition are going to take the word at face value, and assume it means "not partisan". That's why I think it would be better placed in the body of the article rather than the intro, where the nature of the organization can be more fully discussed. Gatoclass (talk) 07:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem with moving "nonpartisan" to the body of the article and replacing it with a term that better describes the group instead of its tax status; I was just arguing against the claim that it was POV:)If you can't follow the link, it is a L. A. Daily News article titled "`Tea party' gathering protests big bailout". I understand that "partisan" has gained connotations that force the public to believe that it is interchangeable with "ideological", but when it is used in connection with non-profit organizations, it usually refers to meeting the regulations article 501(c) of the US Tax Code. As for the website non mentioning the status; it states clearly that :"This effort is not endorsed by the New American Tea Party". Mrathel (talk) 07:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Nonpartisan" is only one example of what I see as a larger problem in the article, by the way. We have left-wing and right-wing sources being used, without being credited as such in the article. I don't think that we can present highly politicized information from highly politicized sources without being explicit about the source of the information in the article text. Awadewit (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are right in that respect. The article could be better written using only half the references in the list and better using political terms to clear the line between fact and political opinion. As it stands, it probably has too many of these issues to be on the main page. But it isn't partisan:) 00:30, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Fantasy prone personality

Created by DragonsInFlight (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about: "... that symptoms of fantasy prone personality include vividly intense fantasies, paranormal experiences, and intense religious experiences?" --Another Believer (Talk) 19:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think this nom is on hold till the {{refimprove}} tag is addressed and taken off. Daniel Case (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Panzer Badge

  • ... that the Panzer Battle Badge was awarded in a paper packet, with only the rank, name and signature of an officer to distinguish it?

5x expanded by Tartarus (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm having a hard time finding the sourced hook in the article. Also, does the paper packet distinguish it from other medals? I wasn't quite sure. Law (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lengths, histories and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Department of Central Eurasian Studies (Indiana University)

  • Comment: Xhancock created the article, I expanded/added refs.

Created by Xhancock (talk). Nominated by Otebig (talk) at 23:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There must be a better hook than that... right? How about something about its history (if a self reference is okay here) or about the languages offered? That might be cool and looks like it's well sourced. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Department of Central Eurasian Studies at Indiana University teaches many less commonly taught languages from Central Asia including Kazakh, Tajik, Uyghur, and Uzbek? Otebig (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The source doesn't actually say these are less commonly taught languages. Awadewit (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Read the intro to the Less Commonly Taught Languages article, "Less Commonly Taught Languages (or LCTLs) is a designation used in the United States for languages other than the three most commonly taught foreign/world languages in US public schools, i.e. Spanish, French, and German. The term covers a wide array of world languages (other than English), ranging from some of the world's largest and most influential languages, such as Chinese, Russian, Arabic, and Japanese, to smaller regional languages studied in the US mainly by area experts, such as Twi, spoken in West Africa, and Finnish." This is a common, completely uncontroversial use of the term and no one familiar with the term (or who has taken a minute to learn what it refers to) would challenge its use here - as such, no additional source is needed per WP:BURDEN. The source provided is there to confirm that those languages are in fact taught in this department. Otebig (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone else weigh in on this? Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Length, history and reference verified for this hook (which is better). Daniel Case (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 20

List of number-one singles of 2008 (Japan)

  • ... that last year TVXQ (pictured) became the first foreign artist to have four number-one singles on the Japanese single charts?

Created by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Ayumi Hamasaki is the only female artist to have a number-one single in Japan for 10 consecutive years?

Length and history verified; foreign-language sources accepted in good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scolypopa australis

Scolypopa australis adult and nymphs

Created/expanded by Richard001 (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 19

Studioteatret, Jens Bolling, Liv Dommersnes, Arne Thomas Olsen

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caricature Museum, Mexico City

Portal of Caricature Museum

  • ... that the Caricature Museum of Mexico City is located in what was a 17th century college?

Created/expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alternate hook. ... that the Caricature Museum (pictured) of Mexico City has featured cartoons and sketches by Frida Kahlo and Jose Clemente Orozco? (Reference #2 is in a website but Notimex is a news service like Reuters. The Universal article (ref 4) is a Notimex piece too. As for Ref 3, it is just a website but does not contain any controversial information. Closest thing to a website for the museum I could find) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelmadatter (talk • contribs) 16:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I slightly tweaked your hook to show the location info and picture. Then good to go.--Caspian blue 02:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
After second thought, I want you to find a source to replace the ref. 4. Is it a blog?--Caspian blue 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for Buddha's Birthday (May 2) and Vesak (May 9)

Ta Som

  • Comment: I couldn't resist expanding this tiny stub - we need temples for this Birthday!

5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 13:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Migettuwatte Gunananda Thera

A Buddhist flag flying in Beijing.

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 07:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Buddhist flag.

  • Thank you very much, Paxse. You too have worked hardly on two articles. I thought picture flag is too much bright. But You and others think it is better than the photo flag I also like to go with your opinion. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also

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