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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on May 2
Articles created/expanded on May 1
Phyllactinia guttata
- ... that the powdery mildew fungus Phyllactinia guttata has gelatinous filaments thought to help it adhere to leaves?
5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 03:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Casual Friday (The Office)
- ... that Michael Scott pretends to fire Pam Beesly as a prank in The Office episode "Casual Friday"", which is a reference to a similar scene in the show's first episode?
5x expanded by Hgporto (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 03:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Grey reef shark
- ... that the grey reef shark (pictured) will perform a threat display to warn off divers who are too close?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Robert F. Hale
- ... that Robert F. Hale was serving as Executive Director of the American Society of Military Comptrollers when President Barack Obama appointed him Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller)?
Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Humphrey de Bohun, 3rd Earl of Hereford
- ... that Humphrey de Bohun, 3rd Earl of Hereford had a father, a grandfather and a son, all by the same name?
5x expanded by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 00:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
LaShaun Ward
- ... that despite being a wide receiver, LaShaun Ward was the third leading rusher for California in 2001?
Created by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Date, length verified and hook cited in article, verified online source. Synergy 00:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Riaz Mohammad Khan
- ... that Riaz Mohammad Khan was sacked as Foreign Secretary because he opposed Asif Ali Zardari's agenda of UN investigation into the assassination of Benazir Bhutto?
Created by Razzsic (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Peter Gummer, founder of Shandwick, went to university wanting to be a priest? 5fold expansion by moi. Ironholds (talk) 19:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Five Tango Sensations
- ... that Five Tango Sensations by the Kronos Quartet was the last studio recording by tango legend Ástor Piazzolla?
Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Date and length fine. Hook fact cited in article. Book reference accepted in good faith. Oceanh (talk) 00:16, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
John Wollaston (painter)
- ... that American painters Robert Feke and Benjamin West were strongly influenced by the technique and compositions of English-born painter John Wollaston?
Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Date and length fine. Hook fact is cited in article, verified. Oceanh (talk) 00:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Price's Mill
- ... that Price's Mill, a water-powered gristmill in South Carolina, produced 7,000 lb (3,200 kg) of cornmeal each week in 1970 as a commercial mill?
- ALT1:... that Price's Mill was one of the few remaining operating water-powered gristmills in 1970 in South Carolina?
- Comment: Hook: Ref 2 (HABS inventory), p. 3 under "Industry and Commerce;" ALT1: Ref 6 (Pittenger) under "Significance."
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 17:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Amsterdam Hilton Hotel
- ... that in 2001, Dutch musician and artist Herman Brood committed suicide by jumping from the roof of the Amsterdam Hilton Hotel?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The hook is accurate and verified. The main page needs as much Brood as it can possibly have. ;) Drmies (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
William Ruthven Smith
- ... that early United States Army anti-submarine warfare engineer William Ruthven Smith drew a 2000-foot wire rope net across Hampton Roads during World War I?
Created by BusterD (talk). Self nom at 15:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Moth Ki Masjid
- ... that Moth Ki Masjid was a new type of mosque built in 1505 by Miya Bhoiya, Prime Minister during Sikander Lodi’s reign in the fourth city of medieval Delhi of Delhi Sultanate?
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
City Hall Post Office and Courthouse (New York City)
- ... that the City Hall Post Office and Courthouse in New York City, designed by architect Alfred B. Mullett, was known as "Mullett's Monstrosity" until it was torn down in 1939?
Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
South Dunedin
- ... that the Dunedin, New Zealand, suburb of South Dunedin contains one of only three known preserved gasworks museums in the world?
- ALT1: ... that much of the Dunedin, New Zealand, suburb of South Dunedin is located on an area of reclaimed land known as "The Southern Endowment"? Grutness...wha? 01:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: This was originally a redirect to Suburbs of Dunedin, but became a separate article on May 1. The Suburbs of Dunedin article contained just two sentences on South Dunedin, and no mention of the gasworks. Grutness...wha? 11:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Created by Grutness (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
KNND
- ... that radio station KNND in Cottage Grove, Oregon, airs a weekly three-hour block of cowboy poetry and western music called "The Cowboy Culture Center"?
Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 09:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "The Cowboy Culture Center" is a weekly three-hour block of cowboy poetry and western music on radio station KNND in Cottage Grove, Oregon? (slightly shorter, perhaps punchier) - Dravecky (talk) 16:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Capture of Tunis
- ... that the capture of Tunis (pictured) by the Ottoman Empire from the Spanish Empire in 1574 decided that North Africa would be under Muslim rather than Christian rule?
Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 06:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Council of Bourges
- ... that the Council of Bourges (November 1225) has been called the "fountainhead" of representational democracy in Western Europe?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
The Hunt for Gollum
- ... that although the Lord of the Rings fan film The Hunt for Gollum is completely unofficial, its creators "reached an understanding" with Tolkien Enterprises?
Created by Josiah Rowe (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ... that only a handful of the many Union Army major generals who lost their temporary ranks after the American Civil War ever attained the permanent grade of major general in the Regular Army?
Created by Morinao (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 30
Gashing
- ... that gashing is a machining process used to rough out gears prior to final machining operations, like hobbing or shaping?
Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Dead Hot Workshop
- ... that the band Dead Hot Workshop got their start at a Tempe club named Long Wong's, where bands such as the Gin Blossoms and The Refreshments also performed in the 1990s?
Created by Kelapstick (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Altman Lighting Co.
- ... that Altman Lighting Co. introduced the PAR 64 for a Rolling Stones concert tour in 1966?
Created by Ylime715 (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Nuestra Señora de Loreto Church
- ... that the Nuestra Señora de Loreto Church in Mexico City may be in danger of collapsing?
Created/expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Shadow Hare
- ... that Shadow Hare is a real-life superhero who wears a cape and mask while fighting crime in Cincinnati, Ohio?
Created by Quadell (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Date and length is fine. Hook fact cited in article, and verified in reference. Oceanh (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Leonard Siffleet
- ... that Sergeant Len Siffleet (pictured) was the subject of a famous photograph depicting his execution by the Japanese in World War II?
- Comment: The photograph of his execution, which appears in the article, is also public domain and could be used but frankly I prefer the less sensational portrait pic for DYK... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment (and Support): I prefer the image referred to in the hook. Otherwise it could be confusing. – Quadell (talk) 13:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I also prefer the image of the execution, perhaps tweak the hook to "was the subject of this famous photograph" Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I take the point, mainly that it could be confusing showing a different pic to that referred to in the hook - see ALT 1 below... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Beheading_of_Leonard_George_Siffleet.jpg/67px-Beheading_of_Leonard_George_Siffleet.jpg)
- ALT1 ... that Sergeant Len Siffleet was the subject of this famous photograph (right) depicting an execution by the Japanese in World War II?
Date and length are fine. Hook fact cited in article, and verified in first reference (online). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Created/expanded by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 09:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
KSWB (AM)
- ... that radio station KSWB in Seaside, Oregon, was originally owned by Jerden Records founder Jerry Dennon and American folk group The Brothers Four?
Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 02:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Woolmer Forest
- ... that Woolmer Forest, a former royal hunting forest in Hampshire, is the only site where all twelve species of amphibians and reptiles native to England are found?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, at only 828 characters of prose, the article falls short of the 1500 character minimum.NuclearWarfare (Talk) 00:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I can't count them. Is that more acceptable now?--Wetman (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Over 3000 chars now. – Quadell (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The hook should be fine after that fact is referenced to a source by an inline citation. Ceranthor 20:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Over 3000 chars now. – Quadell (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Antonio Latini
- ... that the recipe for tomato sauce published by Antonio Latini in Naples in 1692 was the very first one?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Antonio Latini published the first recipe for tomato sauce in 1692? Law type! snype? 01:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The interest of the hook lies in how late the first mention of tomato sauce is in Italy: not what you read here and there on the 'Net.--Wetman (talk) 05:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I thought the wording was awkward. If the interest is that you consider 1692 to be late, we should work that into another alternate. My impression was not that it was late, but early, considering it was over 300 years ago. Law type! snype? 08:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Article does not match the required prose size currently. It has to be expanded by about 100 characters. Date and referencing good to go (offline references accepted in good faith), but please add categories. Todor→Bozhinov 08:30, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Too succinct: I'm always taking padding out of articles, rather than putting it in. Mediocre food history, such as Wikipedia's article tomato sauce until yesterday, makes out that "The tomato has been central to Italian cuisine since its introduction from the Americas", when 18th century is more like.--Wetman (talk) 12:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Franklin Jacobs
- ... that in 1978 Franklin Jacobs high jumped Template:Cm to in above his own height, setting an indoor world record that lasted a day, and a height differential record that still stands?
5x expanded by Jnestorius (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
New Man
- ... that a New Man magazine endorsement helped convince Chuck Norris to support the Mike Huckabee presidential campaign?
Created by GRuban (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook ref verified--Unionhawk Talk 03:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Not Waving but Drowning
... that Not Waving but Drowning is Stevie Smith's most famous poem which describes a man who has drowned because his thrashing was mistaken for waving?
5x expanded by Mrathel (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Stevie Smith's most famous poem, "Not Waving but Drowning", describes a man who drowns because onlookers mistake his thrashing for waving? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- comment ALT1 Works for me; I was sitting here contemplating why I could not say what I intended:) Mrathel (talk) 22:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment nice to see a DYK that a lot of people actually did know jnestorius(talk) 00:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Hove Methodist Church
- ... that a former minister at Hove Methodist Church, England, spoke so forcefully during sermons that Communion cruets would sometimes be sent crashing to the floor?
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Wandsworth Bridge
- ... that Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London"?
- ALT1:... that despite carrying over 50,000 vehicles per day, Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London"?
- ALT2:... that despite being one of the busiest bridges in London, Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London"?
- Comment: If not one of these, please don't try to cherry-pick a "fact" out of the article as there really isn't anything appropriate there – what's notable here is the fact that despite its importance, nothing noteworthy has ever happened there.
5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Expansion length & date verified, hook referencing verified and one ref
accepted in good faith. I like this idea, it's an interesting new spin for DYK: highlighting the non-uniqueness of a topic. Fairly brilliant. ;) I think I prefer ALT1, with a rewording:
- ALT3 ... that Wandsworth Bridge has been described as "probably the least noteworthy bridge in London" despite carrying over 50,000 vehicles per day? Jamie☆S93 01:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'd go with that, although I've a marginal preference for "one of the busiest…" rather than "50,000" – unless you know a lot about AADT flow patterns, you've no way of knowing if that's a high or low usage for a bridge. – iridescent 19:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Levi Coffin
- ... that Quaker and abolitionist leader Levi Coffin, known as the President of the Underground Railroad, personally helped more than 2,000 slaves escape their masters?
5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've linked the expanded article. --candle•wicke 20:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Vito Positano
- ... that Italian Vice Consul Vito Positano saved the future Bulgarian capital Sofia from burning by the Ottoman army?
Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified.
Source accepted in good faith. Ceranthor 20:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Charles Elphinstone Fleeming
- ... that Charles Elphinstone Fleeming was once challenged to a duel by his former subordinate Charles John Napier?
Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 16:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Taiwan Church News
- ... that Taiwan's first printed newspaper, the Taiwan Church News, was written in Pe̍h-ōe-jī, not Chinese characters?
Created by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Book sources for hook accepted in good faith.
However, the fact that it was the first printed newspaper in Taiwan comes from the newspaper's website. Do you have another source?
- Hi Mattisse - note number 4 covers that claim - it's an independent source, the Historical Dictionary of Taiwan (Republic of China). Google Books shows the relevant part of the Dictionary (second entry on that page). However, that reference simply says "Taiwan's first newspaper", so if you'd like to remove "printed" from the hook, that works for me too. Thanks! Taffy (talk) 01:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Hook sources verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
RichGirl
- ... that one of the members of R&B girl group RichGirl was discovered through MySpace?
Created by Cornucopia (talk). Self nom at 09:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the names of the members of R&B girl group RichGirl include Brave and Seven? Corn.u.co.pia • Disc.us.sion 09:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Spanish singer Julio Iglesias was awarded a Grammy Award for Best Latin Pop Performance for his album Un Hombre Solo?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 06:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
This version doesn't link to the article, as required by I4. Art LaPella (talk) 01:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Lo Mejor de Tu Vida" was the first number-one song in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart for Spanish singer Julio Iglesias? Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that the song "Lo Mejor de Tu Vida" by Spanish singer Julio Iglesias held the record for biggest leap to number-one in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart for almost 20 years? Jaespinoza (talk) 06:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Leon Ashley
- ... that with his number 1 single "Laura (What's He Got That I Ain't Got)", Leon Ashley became the first country music artist to write, record, release, distribute and publish his own material?
Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 04:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
All verified, but a blog is not a reliable source. Is this the only place you can source the information to? Aren't there more reliable records? Ceranthor 20:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Um, Allmusic ain't a blog. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 20:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Agree that Allmusic not a blog but a reliable source for some information. The Allmusic page that references this hook is signed by a person. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Would be better if you reworded hook and sentence in article, so they were not a copy of reference source. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I can't think of any other way to phrase it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 00:00, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I can't either. Just an artificial rearranging. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Western Weald
- ... that the Western Weald (Blackdown pictured) has been described as a rare example of a part-functioning forest ecosystem?
5x expanded by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Jerzy Borejsza
- ... that Jerzy Borejsza, in charge of the Polish communist cultural policy in the early postwar years, was so influential that his network was called an "empire" or "state within a state"?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 29
Terry Riley: Cadenza on the Night Plain
- ... that Terry Riley: Cadenza on the Night Plain is the first record to result from the long and fruitful collaboration between American composer Terry Riley and the Kronos Quartet?
Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the Kangchu system was instrumental in driving Johor's economy during the 19th century?
5x expanded by Mr Tan (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Date, length and expanison is fine. Book reference accepted in good faith. Good job on expanding the article! Oceanh (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Captain's clerk
- ... that a captain's clerk was a rating in the Royal Navy for a person employed by the captain to keep all the books necessary for passing his accounts with the Admiralty?
Created by Kirk (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that a captain's clerk was a job in the Royal Navy which involved keeping the accounting records for a ship's captain, for the Admiralty to approve? Johnbod (talk) 03:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- could also link to naval rating to explain why tht particular wording was used. David Underdown (talk) 10:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 sounds good to me, except the clerk did more than accounting records. Kirk (talk) 13:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that a captain's clerk was a rating, now obsolete, in the Royal Navy for a person employed by the captain to keep his records and correspondence, and his accounts for the Admiralty to approve?Kirk (talk) 13:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Adjusted at the article. You are missing the point, explained at rating, that in the Royal Navy a "rating" is a person (anyone without a warrant or commission), while in the US Navy persons have a "rating". Otherwise some combination of alts 1&2 is fine. Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The RN section of naval rating begins "rating or rate is a military rank", so it seems perfectly reasonable to use it in the sense suggested. David Underdown (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- It says it is a rank, not a term for ranks in general, as in the USN, which is how it was being used here. But I see below it at least was used as such in the 18th century. Johnbod (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I support removing rating completely from the DYK if its confusing, but if you look in the OED, David and I are referring to 2a.(early 1700s), while Johnbod is referring to 2b.(1893). In this case, it was a the position held by a person on a ship's books. Kirk (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- That sense is surely obselete, or anyway very obscure, in the RN. Maybe it is best to drop the word, which is hardly necessary. Johnbod (talk) 23:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The RN section of naval rating begins "rating or rate is a military rank", so it seems perfectly reasonable to use it in the sense suggested. David Underdown (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Adjusted at the article. You are missing the point, explained at rating, that in the Royal Navy a "rating" is a person (anyone without a warrant or commission), while in the US Navy persons have a "rating". Otherwise some combination of alts 1&2 is fine. Johnbod (talk) 13:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Danny Pang (financier)
- ... that accused Ponzi schemer Danny Pang pled the Fifth Amendment to avoid testifying at the trial of the accused murderer of his ex-stripper wife?
- self nom, article name is reason for not using template, Smallbones (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- perhaps it's over the top, but I just can't refuse the temptation of putting Ponzi scheme, 5th amendment, murder and stripper all in one line. I have documented this thoroughly, but please do check for BLP issues. Smallbones (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I would say it's over the top, but in addition, criteria 4 states articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided. I believe that putting this on the main page would be a huge setback for BLP and would be extremely distasteful. We have higher standards for living people, and the article is comprised wholly of allegations: theft, murder, hitmen and Ponzi schemes. This may make the news, but as it is complete speculation about a living individual, good taste would dictate keeping it off the main page. Law type! snype? 01:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ill just say that I think it meets the requirement of neutrality - this is what is reported about the guy in very reliable sources, finding anything else is very problematic. There is nothing unreliable about any of the sources, page 1 article in the Wall Street Journal, backed by a Columbia Journalism Review article saying this is the best of the WSJ. SEC press release, etc. etc. It certainly meets the rest of criteria 4 (other than what you quoted) in your quote perhaps the most important word is "unduly." I"ll ask others to look and chime in. Smallbones (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not doubting the sources. Is it vital to the article to mention where his father lives and that his wife was a stripper? That's all a matter of personal taste. The mainpage, in my opinion, is not the place for BLPs about people who are presumably innocent, yet have articles completely based on accusations, speculation, and allegation. Law type! snype? 16:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ill just say that I think it meets the requirement of neutrality - this is what is reported about the guy in very reliable sources, finding anything else is very problematic. There is nothing unreliable about any of the sources, page 1 article in the Wall Street Journal, backed by a Columbia Journalism Review article saying this is the best of the WSJ. SEC press release, etc. etc. It certainly meets the rest of criteria 4 (other than what you quoted) in your quote perhaps the most important word is "unduly." I"ll ask others to look and chime in. Smallbones (talk) 15:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- This article is a BLP nightmare. Even if it is worthy of inclusion on WP, it has no place on the main page. لennavecia 16:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Completely agreed. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- perhaps it's over the top, but I just can't refuse the temptation of putting Ponzi scheme, 5th amendment, murder and stripper all in one line. I have documented this thoroughly, but please do check for BLP issues. Smallbones (talk) 18:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Harrison Oxley
- ... that Harrison Oxley was the youngest cathedral organist in Britain when he became organist of St Edmundsbury Cathedral aged 24?
Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Queen Millennia
- ... that Queen Millennia was combined by Harmony Gold and Carl Macek with another Leiji Matsumoto series, Captain Harlock, to create Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years?
Created by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Another possible version of the hook: ... that the 1981 anime TV series Queen Millennia was combined with the 1978 anime TV series, Space Pirate Captain Harlock, to create the syndicated Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Alv Knutsson, Hartvig Krummedige, Knut Alvsson
- ... that Henrich Krummedige’s 1501 murder of Knut Alvsson ended the feud started by their fathers, Hartvig and Alv Knutsson and Norway’s independence hopes?
- Comment: This is actually an attempt at a triple — all three articles (Alv Knutsson, Hartvig Krummedige and Knut Alvsson) are within the time window. Hoping for a little leniency on the length to "... that Henrich Krummedige’s 1501 murder of Knut Alvsson ended the feud started by their fathers, Hartvig Krummedige and Alv Knutsson as well as dashing Norway’s independence hopes?"
Created by Williamborg (talk). Self-nom at 03:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Knut died in 1502, not 1501. And the hook is hard to understand. And I'm not sure about the Norwegian "independence" bit; it seems to have been a Norwegian throne under Swedish sponsorship. What precise cite in which of the three articles makes the claim? jnestorius(talk) 03:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Response - I obviously spent too much time trying to reduce this hook to 150 letters and keeping it a triple while not paying enough attention to detail - you're right about the year. You're also correct - it would have been a Norwegian throne under Swedish sponsorship. I'll spend some time seeing if I can clean it up tonight - if not I'll pull it. Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 15:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
John Phillip Santos
- ... that in 1979, John Phillip Santos became the first Mexican-American Rhodes Scholar?
Created by Synergy (talk). Nominated by MZMcBride (talk) at 02:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The first hook ref states he was the 'first Mexican-American Rhodes Scholar to attend
HarvardOxford.' The second confirms he was a Rhodes Scholar (no mention of first of his ethnic background), and the third is offline. Can we find a source that clearly verifies the hook? Thanks. Law type! snype? 03:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)- The reference says "first Mexican-American Rhodes scholar to study at Oxford." According to our article about it, the scholarship is an Oxford-only thing. Not seeing the issue here. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm obviously no Rhodes Scholar for not catching that. Thanks for the tip. All checks out. Law type! snype? 04:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
O'Neill Forebay
- ... that the largest striped bass ever caught in the state of California, weighing 67.5 pounds (30.6 kg), was found in the O'Neill Forebay Reservoir on August 5, 2008?
Created by themaeetalk 01:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 01:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the hook source being reliable. The CA Gov site seems to disagree. Law type! snype? 03:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't see anything about "largest striped bass" on that site, so is it possible that is is on a subpage of that site? themaeetalk 04:11, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, never mind. I saw the data, but still, I only need to change the measurement in the hook, as it still says that the largest caught striped bass was in the forebay. themaeetalk 04:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- The .gov article also says May 1992. I think these are two different catches. I'm thinking perhaps the government is not exactly on top of things here. Big surprise, ha. Law type! snype? 21:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Microsoft Chrome
- ... that Microsoft's Chrome project was so widely criticized by web developers for being non-standard and Microsoft's partners for being slow that the project was cancelled before it was released?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I Dreamed a Dream
- ... that Susan Boyle's (pictured) 2009 rendition of the song "I Dreamed a Dream" from the musical Les Misérables created an upsurge in public interest that elevated Patti LuPone's original version to #45 on the UK Singles Chart?
- Comment: On behalf of the newbie (to DYK) author.
Created by Zephyrnthesky (talk). Nominated by Sceptre (talk) at 23:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and source for hook verified. CarpetCrawlermessage me 03:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Can we avoid using that picture, though? It's hardly main-page quality. BencherliteTalk 23:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- They said the same thing about Susan... But another concern: is the painting derived from a copyrighted photo, and if so can it avoid being trapped under the photo's copyright? jnestorius(talk) 00:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
California's 12th congressional district election, 1946
- ... that Richard Nixon was approached to run in California's 12th congressional district election, 1946 only after local Republicans failed to interest General George Patton in the race?
Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Needs to complete references (ibsn etc.) for off line source which can be taken on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Our ships crossed in the night, Mattisse. Check again.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Verified, as complete reference has been added (See above). —Mattisse (Talk) 23:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Our ships crossed in the night, Mattisse. Check again.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Corgi Motorcycle Co Ltd.
- ... that the Corgi Motorcycle Co Ltd.'s Corgi scooter was branded the 'Indian Papoose' for the US market?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 19:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think you meant ALT1:... that the Corgi Motorcycle Co Ltd.'s Corgo scooter was branded the 'Indian Papoose' for the US market? Art LaPella (talk) 19:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)He fixed it at 19:37. Art LaPella (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Hartvig Andreas Munthe, an aide-de-camp of King Oscar II of Sweden and Norway, was made Colonel in the turbulent year of 1905, only to die three months later?
Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 19:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Looks good. Nice article and hook as well; it was really interesting to read about the Norway/Sweden dissolution from this article, as I didn't know much about it before. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 20:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Piero di Cosimo's painting The Death of Procris (pictured) may contain allusions to the practice of alchemy?
Created by Ghirlandajo (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that even the subject of Piero di Cosimo's The Death of Procris (pictured) is debated, it not being certain that the painting is about Procris? Awadewit (talk) 21:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Sultan Ghari
- ... that Sultan Ghari was the first Islamic Mausoleum (tomb) built in 1231 AD for Prince Nasiru'd-Din Mahmud, eldest son of Iltumish, in the “funerary landscape of Delhi”?
Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Article length and history verified. However, the hook remains unverified. In the article, the only time it appears is at the beginning...without a reference. It'll be a shame to not have this great article not star on the front page, so find some refs! Cheers. I'mperator 12:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Also, in the hook, I don't think the word "tomb" is needed: that's why it's linked. Cheers. I'mperator 16:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Please see my clarifications under the discussion page of the article. I have now introduced two references in the first line of the article to cite the Hook. I will introduce an Alt Hook after knowing your further views.Thanks--Nvvchar (talk) 05:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah. Concerns have been clarified on talk page. Thanks! Cheers. I'mperator 12:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
2009 Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters
- ... that Rafael Nadal became the first player to win five consecutive titles at the Monte Carlo Masters?
5x expanded by 03md (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
2970/1171 = 2.5x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 16:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have expanded quite a bit more but not sure whether it will be enough. The problem is that some editors within Tennis WP consider detailed tournament articles to be too much like fansite, so it would be great if you could look at whether the language is encyclopedic enough. 03md 21:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Alex Koslov
- ... that professional wrestler Alex Koslov was the first Russian to wrestle in Arena Coliseo, 72 years after it was built?
5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 10:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Shenkeng, Taipei
5x expanded by Taiwantaffy (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Giant Skippers
- ... that the giant skippers, a disputed subfamily of large butterfly, do not derive sustenance from flowers and rarely feed?
Created by Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
1430 characters of prose and classified as a stub. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 06:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
List of number-one singles of 2009 (Japan)
- ... that Ayumi Hamasaki is the first solo female artist and first female singer to have 20 consecutive singles debut atop of the Japanese singles chart?
Created by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
1388 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 03:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Junko Akimoto is the oldest singer at the age of 61 years to have a number one single in Japan?
- ALT2: ... that the KinKi Kids' are the only artists to have a number one single in Japan for 13 consecutive years since their debut?
- ALT3: ... that Kumi Koda and Misono's "It's All Love" is the first single released by siblings to debut at number one in its first week?
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history good; Japanese references accepted in good faith. Shubinator (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
List of Dragon Ball Kai episodes
- ... that Goku, the main character of Dragon Ball Kai, dies in the series' third episode?
- ... that Dragon Ball Kai, the 2009 revision of Dragon Ball Z, features a re-recorded voice track by the original cast?
- ... that in Dragon Ball Kai the story of Dragon Ball Z will be cut down to only one hundred episodes?
Created by Sarujo (talk), Goodraise (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Best of Soul
- ... that BoA's Best of Soul made her the first non-Japanese Asian singer to have two million-selling albums in Japan?
5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Hugh Stockwell
- ... that Hugh Stockwell (pictured) rose from the rank of Major to that of Major General in less than five years?
Created by Cool3 (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. There is something wrong with the ISBN for the book you use to source the hook. I cannot locate that ISBN. Also, what is interesting or intriguing about the hook? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure what the problem with the ISBN is. It's this book [1], and that isbn refers to the specific volume. Also, it's very interesting that he was promoted that quickly. Typically, it would take at least a decade to go from Major to Major General, and he did it in less than half of that. Cool3 (talk) 02:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I changed the ISBN to the one for the series as that one "works" on the web. —Mattisse (Talk) 14:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- My guess is that he was promoted 4 times in 5 years. Pretty unusual and interesting, since most people familiar with military promotions have only witnessed peace-time promotion rates. Nathan T (formerly Avruch) 01:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Is this hook for those familiar with military promotions only, or for the general reader? —Mattisse (Talk) 02:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's fine for general readers. Johnbod (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
OK. Remaining sources for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:09, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
6th European Parliament
- ... that the Sixth European Parliament rejected the proposed directive on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions?
Created by Anameofmyveryown (talk), JLogan (talk), Nightstallion (talk). Nominated by Anameofmyveryown (talk) at 00:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The article has plenty of tables and lists, but only has 208 characters of readable prose. Shubinator (talk) 00:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ah. Fair point. Since this kind of article is essentially a list-of-lists (this person occupied this post during this term), it's not likely to get any better: indeed, prose would be discouraged. I'll check with the other collaborators, but it's pretty likely this nomination will have to be withdrawn. Regards, Anameofmyveryown (talk) 02:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Skrivanek
- ... that translation agency Skrivanek is the one with the most branch offices in the world?
Created by Luise107 (talk). Self nom at 08:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 28
Salbit
- ... that Salbit, thought to have been the site of the biblical Shaalabbin, was depopulated during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war?
Created by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk), Al Ameer son (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Susquehannock Trail Sysytem, Hammersley Wild Area
- ... that the 85-mile (137 km) Susquehannock Trail System hiking trail passes through the 30,253-acre (12,243 ha) Hammersley Wild Area, the largest area without a road in Pennsylvania?
- Comment: Hammersley Wild Area was started April 30, Susquehannock Trail System was started April 28
Created by Ruhrfisch (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
V. Ramaswami
- ... that V. Ramaswami was the first Justice of the Supreme Court of India facing impeachment proceedings in independent India?
Created by Like I Care (talk). Self nom at 16:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
KLYC
- ... that staff at KLYC in McMinnville, Oregon, reported a paranormal "presence" in the radio station's previous studio building?
Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, creation date, and fact referencing verified. Jamie☆S93 01:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Johannes Gerckens Bassøe
- ... that Johannes Gerckens Bassøe was Norway's first permanent Governor of Svalbard?
Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 20:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Anime and manga fandom
- ... that Del Rey Manga finds most of its translator talent from anime and manga fans at conventions since fluent English speakers who know enough Japanese are preferred over native Japanese translators?
5x expanded by AngelFire3423 (talk). Self nom at 19:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Rivoli Theatre (South Fallsburg, New York)
- ... that the Rivoli Theater (pictured) in South Fallsburg, New York, was used as a fruit stand in the late 1990s? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Lytes Cary
- ... that in 1907 the medieval Great Hall of Lytes Cary manor house (pictured) was being used as a cider store?
5x expanded by User:Stronach (talk), Rodw (talk). Self nom at 13:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Ann-Kristin Olsen
- ... that Ann-Kristin Olsen was the first female chief of police in Norway as well as the first female Governor of Svalbard?
Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 07:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Sources accepted on good faith, but each part of the hook needs to be specifically sourced, per D1. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:02, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Both parts are cited. Punkmorten (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC) Quoting:
- In 1983 she became the first female chief of police in the whole of Norway, stationed in the city of Halden.[3]
- From 1995 to 1998 she was Norway's Governor of Svalbard, again being the first woman to hold the position.[3]
OK. Sources accepted in good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Lake Chelan AVA
- ... that the petition for the Lake Chelan wine region was delayed because the US government placed a hold on all AVA approvals due to the controversy surrounding the application of a Napa Valley sub-AVA?
- Comment: Online Seattle Business Journal ref (FN#2) in History section
Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Why is AVA abbreviated in the hook? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well for brevity and the 200 char req in part, but also because we have the description early on of "wine region" and the linking to American Viticultural Area which give context and limit the need to spell out the acronym. AgneCheese/Wine 02:55, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Waiting for a Want
- ... that Rufus Wainwright's EP Waiting for a Want features guest appearances by family members Martha Wainwright and Suzzy Roche and musicians Teddy Thompson and Joan Wasser?
5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
R. Thamaraikani
- ... that R. Thamaraikani punched former Agriculture minister Veerapandi Arumugam during a debate in Tamil Nadu state assembly in 1999?
Created by Like I Care (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and hook verified. CanadianNine 00:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Alice Allison Dunnigan
- ... that during her time as a reporter, Alice Allison Dunnigan became the first black journalist to accompany a president while traveling?
Created by Synergy (talk), Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length verified, offline source for hook AGF. CanadianNine 00:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Johan Hultin
- ... that in a 1997 Alaskan expedition pathologist Johan Hultin retrieved samples of the 1918 influenza virus from the lungs of flu victims preserved by permafrost?
Created by Mahanga (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Gold Toe Brands
- ... that Gold Toe Brands produces more than half the men's dress socks sold in United States department stores? New article, self-nom by Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC) (a self-disclosed sock of Durova)
Length and date verified. However, hook is sourced to company website which is not a reliable source for this information. Also, what is meant by "department stores"? These days there are not many so-called department stores around. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's not the only source for this fact. Will supplement. All sources use the same "department stores" term without additional elaboration. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- That probably means that all the sources got their "fact" from the company website, as "department store" category accounts for a small amount of sales in the days of Walmart. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Regardless, they were vetted and published by reliable publishers. That's the standard we go by at WP:RS. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added a third reference for the hook: The Washington Post. No remaining objections, I hope? Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- That four year old article says "Especially black. Of all the socks sold, 60 percent are black, according to Gold Toe Hosiery, which should know, because the Burlington, N.C., company controls 54 percent of the sock market. Walk into any department store and more than half of the socks are made by Gold Toe. You guys are probably wearing Gold Toe socks right now. At most, you paid $10 for them."
- Does that sound like a business news article to you? Does a news article address the readership as "you guys"? Which is the author: "Blue-Chip Socks Haute Hose" by Vivek Nagrani (at the top) or "Just the Thing to Cool Your Heels" By Robin Givhan? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added a fourth source, published by Simon and Schuster. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added a third reference for the hook: The Washington Post. No remaining objections, I hope? Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Regardless, they were vetted and published by reliable publishers. That's the standard we go by at WP:RS. Hamlet, Prince of Trollmark (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- That probably means that all the sources got their "fact" from the company website, as "department store" category accounts for a small amount of sales in the days of Walmart. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Share the World/We Are!
- ... that Share the World/We Are! made TVXQ the only foreign artist to have six number one singles in Japan?
5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1233 characters of prose and classified as a stub. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 22:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I expanded it. 月 (Moon)と暁 (Sunrise) 22:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Expansion, history good; AGF on Japanese reference. Shubinator (talk) 22:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hope you don't mind I changed it from non-Japanese artist to foreign. Foreign artist is the better term as no other artist from any nationality has accomplished this feat.
Joseph Takahashi
- ... that in 1994 Joseph Takahashi and his collaborators were the first to identify the genetic basis for circadian rhythms in mammals?
Created by Madcoverboy (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Journal and newspaper sources for hook accepted in good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Cites to NYTimes archives now included. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
KKEE
- ... that Leroy E. "Ed" Parsons, co-founder of KVAS (now KKEE) in Astoria, Oregon, created the first cable television system in the United States?
Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1eetalk 17:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- To prevent this going to errors, how about "one of the first" despite what I'm sure is a good source and what may be correct. See Talk:Astoria Column for a competing claim. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- That would be fine with me, and while I note that there are other claims to the invention, The Cable Center site says, "However, Mr. Parsons is probably best known for building the first system in the U.S. that used coaxial cable, amplifiers, and a community antenna to deliver television signals to an area that otherwise would not have been able to receive broadcast television signals." They go to to describe him as "the father of community antenna television" but I'll leave that fight for people with more invested in the history of television. (I'm a radio guy.) - Dravecky (talk) 09:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Leroy E. "Ed" Parsons, co-founder of KVAS (now KKEE) in Astoria, Oregon, created the one of the first cable television systems in the United States? (per discussion) - Dravecky (talk) 09:56, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
ALT1 also verified. --Bruce1eetalk 10:12, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
South Fallsburg Hebrew Association Synagogue
Two possibilities:
- ... that the South Fallsburg, New York, Hebrew Association Synagogue (pictured) has a full sukkah in its basement?
- ... that two-time Best Song Oscar winner Sammy Fain and influential rabbi Nachman Bulman were both members of the South Fallsburg, New York, Hebrew Association Synagogue (pictured)? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 15:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Note: if this and all other preceding noms of mine are approved and used, this will be my 200th DYK. Daniel Case (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Demandatam
- ... that the encyclical Demandatam was issued in 1743 to ordain the full preservation of the Byzantine Rite in the Melkite Catholic Church?
Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
1374 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 16:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Now it is 1773 characters using "User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js". A ntv (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history good; offline references accepted in good faith. Shubinator (talk) 21:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Pitfall trap
- ... that coprophagous insects such as dung beetles can be attracted to pitfall traps using feces?
Created by Richard001 (talk). Self nom at 10:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. Shubinator (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Blacktip shark
- ... that the blacktip shark (pictured) can reproduce asexually?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow. The article started out with 2,700+ prose characters, and I wasn't sure if the fivefold expansion would be complete. Everything checks out, though, and the offline book referencing accepted AGF. What a fantastic article, and rapid expansion work! Go nom it at WP:GAN. :) Jamie☆S93 14:11, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Red (cipher machine)
- ... that a major weakness of the Japanese RED cipher arose from the desire to save money on telegrams?
Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length checks out, offline source AGF. CanadianNine 21:53, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't qualify for DYK because it is not a 5x expansion. Awadewit (talk) 21:51, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Huh? It was only moved into article space two days ago! Mangoe (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Mangoe is correct; please see F3, which also notes that we often overlook that situation. Art LaPella (talk) 05:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Huh? It was only moved into article space two days ago! Mangoe (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Julian of Cuenca
- ... that the medieval bishop Julian of Cuenca (pictured) raised money for himself and the poor by making and selling baskets?
Created by Polylerus (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 27
Terry King (patricide)
- ... that Terry King was bludgeoned to death with an aluminum baseball bat by his two children, Derek and Alex, who then set fire to the family home in hopes of concealing the crime?
Created by Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- If Derek and Alex are still alive (probably are, since the event occurred in 2001), the hook is too negative and too controversial. Actually, even if they're dead this is quite negative, and we have higher standards for LPs. If two uninvolved people can write a book making the case for their innocence, it's not completely clear who did the crime. Shubinator (talk) 21:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it is in the sense that they plead guilty. But how about ALT ... that Derek and Alex King changed their defense
three timesin the course of prosecution for the murder of their father? — Jake Wartenberg 21:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- The New York Times reference (#4) has only one time: the boys confessed to the crime before recanting to a grand jury and saying they were covering up for Mr. Chavis. Shubinator (talk) 21:57, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I feel certain that the position changed twice (this was a typo on my part, I should have said that they took three different defense positions, but instead said that they changed it three times, implying four different stories), but alas, I can't find the reference. I struck that part of the hook, and I will look for that information some more later tonight. Because this is in a sense a BLP I will also go over sourcing for related statements in the actual article before it hits mainpage. Thanks for going over my work so carefully! — Jake Wartenberg 22:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Got it. Ref #4 says "Mr. Rimmer said at the time of the trial that his office brought both cases because the boys confessed to the crime before recanting to a grand jury and saying they were covering up for Mr. Chavis." Then ref #7 has them pleading guilty after the first guilty verdict was thrown out. So, can we make it two times? — Jake Wartenberg 22:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2 ... that Derek and Alex King changed their defense twice in the course of prosecution for the murder of their father? — Jake Wartenberg 23:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Yep, alt2 works. Shubinator (talk) 00:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
GRB 090423
- ... that GRB 090423 is the current record-holder as the event/object most distant from Earth?
Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 19:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Only 395 characters of prose and tagged as a stub. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 19:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Washington National Opera (1919-1936)
- ... that an early Washington National Opera, unrelated to its modern namesake, presented Bidu Sayão in her US operatic debut in 1936, but with organ owing to a financial dispute with the orchestra?
Created by Drhoehl (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Does that mean they owed some money for the organ (presumably the musical kind of organ)? Or does it mean the organ was missing? The article says they used a portable organ. Art LaPella (talk) 03:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- No, the orchestra players claimed the company owed them money and on the night of the performance refused to play unless paid in cash, which was not forthcoming. Would the following phrasing be more clear? By my count, it comes in at just 200 characters; I may have lost clarity in trying to keep the first one a bit under that figure. Drhoehl (talk) 03:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that an early Washington National Opera, unrelated to its modern namesake, presented Bidu Sayão in her 1936 US operatic debut with organ, not orchestra, accompaniment owing to a financial dispute?
- Yes. Thank you. Others will evaluate the hook further in a few days. Art LaPella (talk) 19:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Lipka Rebellion
- ... that the Lipka Rebellion of 1672 was the only time that the Muslim Lipka Tatars mutinied against the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth?
- Comment: Alt hook: ... that in 1672 the Muslim Lipka Tatars rebelled against the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth due to arrears in payment of soldiers’ wages and restrictions on personal and religious freedoms?
Note on first hook - there's ref included that state that there was no rebellions prior or afterward. If that's not enough, go with alt. Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
San Ildefonso College
- ... that the San Ildefonso College in Mexico City is considered to be the birthplace of Mexican muralism?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Article length, date, and hook look good, offline reference accepted in good faith. — Jake Wartenberg 21:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Rigoberto Torres
- ... that Rigoberto Torres and John Ahearn collaborated on the South Bronx Hall of Fame, monuments of ordinary people as a response to the practice of enshrining public figures?
Created by Nathan (talk), Synergy (talk), Durova (talk). Self nom at 22:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Percy Hurd
- ... that in 1994 the British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd said that his grandfather, the Member of Parliament Sir Percy Hurd (1864–1950) "wasn't very political. He used to go round villages in Wiltshire telling funny stories"?
Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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- It can be shorter if the grandson's description is reported as fact rather than as commentary:
- ... that the British Conservative Member of Parliament Sir Percy Hurd (1864–1950) used to go round villages in Wiltshire telling funny stories?
- Is this better? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Yep, and everything else checks out. Added a couple of wikilinks for those not familiar with British politics. Shubinator (talk) 02:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Is this better? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:22, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
No, that's silly, and how reliable a source is Douglas on this anyway? Was he there? The first hook has a point to it.
- ALT2:... that according to his grandson, Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd, the Member of Parliament Sir Percy Hurd (1864–1950) "wasn't very political. He used to go round villages in Wiltshire telling funny stories"? I make that 205. Going to (d. 1950) or dropping the dates will get it under 200 if 5 spaces are an issue. Johnbod (talk) 03:54, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Henrik Langeland
- ... that the Norwegian novelist and editor of Vinduet, Henrik Langeland, wrote a doctoral thesis on Marcel Proust?
Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Norwegian language source for hook accepted in good faith plus via Google translate. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
KLMG
- ... that the original radio studios of the station now called KLMG were located in California's Old Sacramento State Historic Park?
5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 19:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
article, history, author, hook check out fine. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 02:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Best: His Mother's Son
- ... that Best: His Mother's Son was made in 2009 without the consent of George Best's family?
Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
The plot section is empty. Also, should the movie title be italicized? Shubinator (talk) 20:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have removed the "Plot" subsection for now as this is not necessarily needed for the purposes of DYK. I have not yet seen the film so will write the plot summary when I have watched it. The title is italicised as is standard on films e.g. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. 03md 21:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) I guess the "Background" section says a little about the plot. Length, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 22:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The Political Cesspool
- ... that the Tennessee-based white nationalist radio talk show The Political Cesspool describes itself as "pro-White" and hosts wish to "increase the percentage of Whites in the world relative to other races?"
Created by User: Stonemason89 (talk). Self nom
Hook is sourced to the show's own website, not a reliable third-party source as is the basic requirement. Also, bare URLs should be replaced with properly formatted citations. - Dravecky (talk) 20:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Quotations should be preferred from primary sources. I have corrected the reference format.Mangoe (talk) 10:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Um, no. 11 of the 12 references are still bare URLs and the one citing the hook is still the talk show's own website. If reliable third-party sourcing for this hook can't be found, perhaps an alternate hook can be found. - Dravecky (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- How about this alternate hook: "... that Millington, Tennessee, is home to a white nationalist radio show called The Political Cesspool?" That one is sourced to the Newsweek article, which should not be a problem. Also, the references have been updated.Stonemason89 (talk) 14:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Cotton Press (Latta, South Carolina), Cotton Press (Tarboro, North Carolina)
- ... that the cotton press (pictured) near Latta, South Carolina, and another in Tarboro, North Carolina, are antebellum, animal-powered, handmade wooden presses?
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- :*
Length and date verified for both articles. Source for hook not verified for second article. It is not clear that it was mule powered. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I rewrote the article to say "mules and oxen" The current reference 2 says "mules" and references 4 & 6 say "mules and oxen." I first wrote "mules or oxen" in the Tarboro article because I personally don't think that they were used at the same time, but this is a personal opinion. In case this does not solve it, a alternate hook is
- ALT1... that the cotton press (pictured) near Latta, South Carolina, and another in Tarboro, North Carolina, are antebellum, animal-powered, handmade wooden presses? KudzuVine (talk) 22:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Rewrote the hook to be the alternate hook that I had proposed. KudzuVine (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Will accept this on good faith as none of the accessible references verify this for Cotton Press (Latta, South Carolina). —Mattisse (Talk) 23:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. I fixed broken links. Mules are referenced in reference 3 (inventory form) of the Cotton Press (Latta, South Carolina) article under significance. KudzuVine (talk) 12:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- :*
Barbara McGuire
- ... that Barbara McGuire invented the "Duo-Stamp," a two-sided rubber stamp with an inverse and converse design that is popular with the stamping community?
- Comment: saved from PROD and expanded from stub status to current form
5x expanded by ThaddeusB (talk). Self nom at 15:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- umm remmebr that this is an internatioal website, I assume she is from teh US, but "nationally known" ought to be clarified. I can't think of a neat way to do rephrase at the moment though. David Underdown (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Article has only been expanded 3.6x. Needs 5x expansion. Law shoot! 16:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Article has been further expanded and otherwise improved. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Size, date, and hook ref fine. Saved from a PROD? Nice job. Law type! snype? 17:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I try :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Wes Schulmerich
- ... that Wes Schulmerich turned down an offer to play football for Knute Rockne at Notre Dame, later becoming a Major League Baseball player?
5x expanded by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Size and date fine. AGF on book source. Good job on the expansion. Law shoot! 16:13, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Christopher Bauman
- ... that professional wrestler Christopher Bauman was involved in an automobile accident a few months before he died in a motorcycle crash?
- ALT1:... that professional wrestler Christopher Bauman first gained recognition in a ladder match described as "psychotic"?
5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 8)
- ... that the eighth season of Law & Order: Criminal Intent was rescheduled twice before it premiered on April 19, 2009, reportedly because the episodes starring Jeff Goldblum were "terrible", and that the production crew had to be changed?
Created by Matthewedwards (talk). Self nom at 03:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT HOOK: ... that season 8 of Law & Order: Criminal Intent premiered April 2009 after a five month delay, reportedly because the episodes with Jeff Goldblum were so "terrible" the production crew had to be changed? -- 198 characters. Matthewedwards : Chat 20:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- 201 characters after applying MOS:NUM#Numbers as figures or words. Art LaPella (talk) 01:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Size, date, and hook ref all check out. Might want to consider unlinking some of the crew - I'm not sure they would merit inclusion. Law shoot! 21:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Ida Henrietta Hyde
- ... that Ida Henrietta Hyde was the first woman to receive a Ph.D. at Heidelberg College?
5x expanded by Silver seren (talk) 2:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Expansion, date, and hook ref all check out. Law shoot! 03:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on April 26
Knud Bull
- ... that after being sentenced to fourteen years deportation in 1845, Knud Bull became a pioneer in Australian landscape painting?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Johannes Sejersted Bødtker
- ... that CBE Johannes Sejersted Bødtker, Finland's Honorary Consul to Oslo, was held almost three years in a concentration camp during WW2?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Marco Marziale
- ... that John Ruskin had wallpaper made for his study at Brantwood based on the design of a tablecloth in a painting of 1499 by Marco Marziale?
Created by PHG (talk), expanded and nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 19:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Fatima Jibrell
- ... that Fatima Jibrell founded Horn Relief, an organization aiming to save forests of acacia trees in Somalia from damage by charcoal production?
5x expanded by Middayexpress (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 19:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Liber instrumentorum memorialium
- ... that based on the documents in the Liber instrumentorum memorialium the twelfth-century population of Montpellier and its environs has been estimated at 9,000?
Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Samuel D. McDearmon
- ... that Samuel D. McDearmon (pictured) played a critical role in developing out the village of Appomattox Court House, the site where the American Civil War ended?
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
University of Toronto Libraries
- ... that the library system of the University of Toronto (Robarts Library pictured) is the fourth-largest academic library in North America?
- Comment: Hook-screeners, if you can't find the cite source, try page 70 of this document. --PFHLai (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Created by Jphillips23 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Max Bauer (wrestler)
- ... that although professional wrestler Max Bauer won the 2008 Toxic Waltz tournament it wasn't counted because he competed illegally under a mask?
5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 11:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Life After People: The Series
- ... that the History Channels' Life After People: The Series is a spin-off of the documentary film of the same name, the network's most-watched original program?
Created by User101010 (talk), Cyberia23 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 23:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that in his first TV series, Crusader (CBS, 1955–1956), Brian Keith portrayed fictional journalist Matt Anders, who during the Cold War liberates oppressed people from communism?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
1375 characters of prose and tagged as a stub. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 05:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
expanded to 1500Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I can't see an inline reference for the his first TV series part. Is it ref 3? (can't tell since it's offline) Shubinator (talk) 02:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Take a Girl Child to Work Day
- ... that South Africa's Take a Girl Child to Work Day started in 2003 to fight gender inequality in the workforce?
Created by Kwill (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 23:44, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Date, length, and hook ref all check out. CanadianNine 00:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Sourced almost entirely to the event's own website. Awadewit (talk) 21:54, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure if I can vote or not :) ... I have updated the article to include more sources, Kwill, aka d<3vid seaward | Talk 22:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, Kwill! --Another Believer (Talk) 04:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Not sure if I can vote or not :) ... I have updated the article to include more sources, Kwill, aka d<3vid seaward | Talk 22:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Thomas Henry Barry
- ... that Thomas Henry Barry was Superintendent of the United States Military Academy from 1910 to 1912?
Created by Rlevse (talk), 5x expanded by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Silver Lake (Woodridge, New York), Silver Lake Dam
- ... that after a creek was dammed to provide a reservoir for the Delaware and Hudson Canal in the 19th century, the body of water that formed was named Silver Lake (pictured) and became an attraction for guests at the Jewish summer resorts around Woodridge, New York? Both self-noms Daniel Case (talk) 04:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I boldly rewrote the hook. Maybe it's too long now? The grammar seemed off. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Influenza-like illness
- ... that most people diagnosed with influenza-like illness do not have influenza?
Created by Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 04:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Size, date, and hook ref all check out. Good timing on this article. Law shoot! 05:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Can we come up with something a little snappier? It seems obvious to me that Influenza-like illness isn't going to be the flu. Mangoe (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Such as "most people clinically diagnosed with influenza do not have influenza"? That is true too, but harder to substantiate with a source. How about the following? --Una Smith (talk) 01:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, a source says that 60-70% of patients with a clear influenza-like illness actually have influenza. Shubinator (talk) 02:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- That source says During an epidemic, about 60-70% of patients with a clear influenza-like illness actually have influenza; "during an epidemic" is a crucial qualifier. Is this really a "by the way", or do I need to provide more sources or a different hook? --Una Smith (talk) 02:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Heh, it's really a "by the way". I was thinking it could make a hook if you wanted. But the epidemic part is crucial, so if you don't want to use the ref, that's completely fine. Shubinator (talk) 03:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I would want a more reliable source before using that factoid on the Main Page, but I will add it to the article. Thanks! --Una Smith (talk) 14:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1
- ... that during the 2008–09 flu season in the United States only 14.1% of influenza tests were positive, and this is normal?
Amalia Mesa-Bains
- ... that Amalia Mesa-Bains is a Ph.D. psychologist who was awarded a MacArthur Fellowship for her artwork? Created by Synergy and Durova; self-nom. DurovaCharge! 03:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Size, date, and hook ref all check out. Law shoot! 05:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have a problem with the word "earned"; say rather "was awarded" or something like that? --Una Smith (talk) 02:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Converted into passive voice per request. DurovaCharge! 18:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Southwestern Sri Lanka rivers and streams
- ... that more than a quarter of freshwater fishes that have been discovered in rivers and streams (pictured) of southwestern Sri Lanka is endemic?
Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Galapagos shark
- ... that the Galapagos shark (pictured) is often the most abundant shark around oceanic islands?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Expansion is good. Haven't looked at anything else yet. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Expansion good, book source AGF. CanadianNine 23:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
List of current United States first spouses
- ... that charitable initiatives championed by current First Spouses of the United States have included blankets for the homeless and development assistance in Rwanda?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Davidic dynasty in Bible prophecy
- ... that Jeremiah 33:17 states, "David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel"?
Created by Jorfer (talk). Self nom at 00:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Yellow Star (book)
- ... that the book Yellow Star is based on the true story of one of twelve children who survived the Lodz Ghetto?
5x expanded by Jclemens (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Currently at AfD. Let us know when it's closed. Shubinator (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Will do--I don't expect it to go the full seven days, based on my improvements... it's already strongly trending keep. Jclemens (talk) 02:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Has been kept. Law shoot! 16:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Expansion, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Currently at AfD. Let us know when it's closed. Shubinator (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Stephen Cepello
- ... that former Governor of Minnesota Jesse Ventura had his former professional wrestling tag team partner Stephen Cepello paint his official governor's portraits?
Created by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:43, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Spray-on condom
- ... that the spray-on condom was invented by Jan Vinzenz Krause?
Created by Synergy (talk), Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT... that the application of a spray-on condom was based the logistics of a drive-through car wash? Law shoot! 01:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 2... that during testing for spray-on condoms, hesitant men were unwilling to insert their penis into the device, opting to test it on their finger instead? Credit goes to Juliancolton — Jake Wartenberg 18:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I prefer ALT1. It's sillier than the original (which is a good thing) and makes more sense without reading the article (in ALT2, a reader might be wondering "what device?" until they read the description). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- or ALT3 ... that the spray-on condom is put on by inserting the penis into a device that works like a drive-through car wash? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- (and if we really want to make Raul's head spin: "... that the spray-on condom is put on by inserting the penis (pictured) into a device that works like a drive-through car wash?") rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I just LOL'd! Law shoot! 18:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the first Alt is much better. The second Alt mentions a device, which is a bit confusing because there is no device other than the canister of liquid condom. Sorry about the initial hook; I just wasn't sure how much info I wanted in the hook. Synergy 23:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Definitely the first alt. Jimbo started out to create the sum of all human knowledge. Heaven knows how many decimal places back this is, but it's hilarious. DurovaCharge! 22:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- This one needs a picture.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus!
- and in all honesty should be held for April Fools day next year!---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 22:23, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Nathaniel Henry Hutton
- ... that Baltimore architect Nathaniel Henry Hutton (pictured) was an engineer on routes for the Pacific Railroad Surveys and the Butterfield Overland Mail in the years before the American Civil War?
Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT shorter hook: ... that Nathaniel Henry Hutton (pictured) was an engineer on routes for the Pacific Railroad Surveys and the Butterfield Overland Mail in the years before the American Civil War? - PKM (talk) 23:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
HMS Cleopatra (1779), HMS Milan (1805), Sir Robert Laurie, 6th Baronet
- ... that by engaging (pictured) the larger French frigate Ville de Milan Captain Sir Robert Laurie temporarily lost his ship, HMS Cleopatra, but allowed them both to be captured several days later by HMS Leander?
Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Great work with the articles! Article length, creation, and references verified. Cheers. I'mperator 23:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Cothelstone Manor
- ... that Cothelstone Manor was largely destroyed during the English Civil War and rebuilt 200 years later?
Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Source, length, and history verified. Awadewit (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Yana Gorskaya
- ... that film editor Yana Gorskaya won her first three editing jobs from faculty recommendations while she was still a student at the University of Southern California?
Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The source for this fact is not reliable: "hollywoodfirm.com, LLC (limited liability corporation) is an international talent management & advertisement company for actors, actresses, models, singers, voice-overs, dancers and other performers. Our purpose is to promote you to major casting directors, entertainment networks, production companies and talent agencies." Awadewit (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that film editor Yana Gorskaya won her first editing job from a professor's recommendation while she was still a student at the University of Southern California? —97198 (talk) 13:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- The problem is the source (see above). Awadewit (talk) 18:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- The alt hook is taken from the next two sentences, beginning with "She was hired to edit her first feature film..." which has a different citation (ref #3). —97198 (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have removed the poorly sourced information from the article. However, about half of the information in the article is from press releases, which are essentially advertisements. Press releases are unreliable sources. Awadewit (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- The alt hook is taken from the next two sentences, beginning with "She was hired to edit her first feature film..." which has a different citation (ref #3). —97198 (talk) 08:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
John Dolphin
- ... that John Dolphin, the Commanding Officer of the secret WW2 Special Operations Executive 'Station IX', also invented the trigger for Britain's first atomic bomb?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 12:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The source for the information on Station IX in the article appears to be a WP:SPS. Is there a reason to believe this is reliable? Also, the section of the article on the atomic bomb seems to be based on primary sources instead of secondary sources. Awadewit (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've no opinion on the Station IX stuff, but it seems to me that virtually everything in the atomic bomb stuff can actually be derived from teh record description published by The National Archives, and the short summary of the record (also produced by TNA) published when the record was opened to the public. Neither of those mention the specific reason for the rejection of his claim, which does need the original documents, perhaps this could be clarified by noting that the reason is a quote from teh original document? David Underdown (talk) 11:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Fatma Aliye Topuz
- ... that Fatma Aliye Topuz (1862–1936), whose portrait illustrates the reverse of the current 50 Turkish lira banknote, is credited as the first female Turkish and Muslim writer?
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 10:22, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The source for the "first female writer" bit is a publisher's advertisement, which is an unreliable source. There is another source for this fact, but it is in Turkish, which I cannot read. Awadewit (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- See User talk:Awadewit#DYK for Fatma Aliye Topuz for ongoing discussion. Awadewit (talk) 23:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir
- ... that Storm of Zehir, an expansion for the computer role-playing video game Neverwinter Nights 2, uses Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition rules, despite being released after the introduction of the fourth edition?
5x expanded by Vantine84 (talk). Self nom at 08:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
14725/5888 = 2.5x expansion of prose. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 17:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
In addition, the hook is over 200 characters; please shorten. Cheers. I'mperator 23:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Ward Van Orman
- ... that Ward Van Orman was denied the 1925 Gordon Bennett Cup in ballooning for landing his balloon not on land, but on the deck of a ship?
Created by NVO (talk). Self nom at 08:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Source, length, and history verified. Interesting! Awadewit (talk) 21:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Oriental carpets in Renaissance painting
- ... that Oriental carpets in Renaissance painting (pictured) were used extensively as luxury and status symbols in support of Christian imagery?
Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Source, length, and history verified. Awadewit (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Oriental carpets in Renaissance painting (pictured) were integrated into Christian imagery as symbols of luxury and status? Awadewit (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that several types of Turkish carpets are now named after Renaissance artists who depicted them in paintings (example pictured)? I will claim a joint credit on this article, as it has been expanded considerably since first nominated. Johnbod (talk) 23:09, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I changed "called after" to "named after", after finding that the latter phrase is used 27 times more often. Art LaPella (talk) 01:02, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, fine Johnbod (talk) 02:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
The Green Child
- ... that Herbert Read's first and only completed novel, The Green Child, was based on the 12th-century legend of the green children of Woolpit?
Created by Malleus Fatuorum (talk). Self nom at 04:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Length verified, book source for hook AGF CanadianNine 21:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Usually, we ask that articles be a tad more well-rounded than this one, which is almost entirely plot summary. See D6. I saw lots of material in the Google Books preview of the Barker book that could be used. Awadewit (talk) 21:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I don't want to rush it just for the sake of a DYK. --Malleus Fatuorum 12:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- OMG. You're my hero for the day. Awadewit (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Fair enough. I don't want to rush it just for the sake of a DYK. --Malleus Fatuorum 12:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 25
- ... that the Hallein Salt Mine (pictured) is known for its long wooden slides for miners and tourists to descend into the mine?
Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
25 article nomination
- Dunbrody Country House Hotel, Kevin Dundon, Thornton's Restaurant, Kevin Thornton (chef), Heat (TV series), Guerrilla Gourmet, Café Paradiso, Denis Cotter, The Mustard Seed (restaurant), Dan Mullane, Mint Restaurant, Dylan McGrath, The Pressure Cooker, Restaurant Patrick Guilbaud, Patrick Guilbaud, L'Ecrivain, Derry Clarke, Sammy Leslie, Adare Productions, Celebrity Bainisteoir (season 1), Celebrity Bainisteoir (season 2), Katherine Lynch's Working Girls,Katherine Lynch's Wonderwomen, Katherine Lynch herself and, finally, Andrea Roche
- ... that Dunbrody Country House Hotel owner Kevin Dundon and Thornton's Restaurant owner Kevin Thornton of Heat also featured on Guerrilla Gourmet alongside Café Paradiso owner Denis Cotter, The Mustard Seed owner Dan Mullane and former Mint Restaurant proprietor Dylan McGrath, whose documentary The Pressure Cooker was criticised by Michelin star winning French restauranteur Patrick Guilbaud but has been praised by L'Ecrivain owner Derry Clarke, a judge alongside Sammy Leslie on the Adare produced Fáilte Towers whose co-presenter Bazil Ashmawy featured in the first season of Celebrity Bainisteoir, now in its second season and featuring Working Girls and Wonderwomen star Katherine Lynch and Miss Universe contender Andrea Roche? (new articles beginning on this date, self-nom) --candle•wicke 17:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Hoah! Another monster nom comes after Ottava's :D But the hook length way exceeds the requirement. So I think splitting it into two would be reasonable.--Caspian blue 19:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Has Ottava had a "monster" recently? Where is it located? --candle•wicke 20:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ottava et al had a 16 article hook on March 7, 2008.--Doug Coldwell talk 22:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't call it a requirement (see L1) but there was a precedent somewhere for rejecting monster noms. Art LaPella (talk) 19:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh. :( Can I request rules E1 and E2 be invoked here? They are all technically related and I discovered some links between some articles that aren't even mentioned... --candle•wicke 20:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't remember what the ultimate conclusion was on Doug Coldwell's 16-article hook a while back (I think we ended up allowing it, right, in a greatly compacted form?) but I have to raise my voice against this one. First of all, it's illegible—both because of the sea of bluelinks and the complex embeddings. It might be an interesting hook if I can navigate it, but no one will want to take the time to do that. Secondly, the people these hooks are meant for are the main page readers, not for us; thus, hooks should be written to appeal to them, not to show us insiders how much we can do. DYK people might think it's cool that such a big hook was put together, but someone who has no idea how DYK works won't care, they'll just see something ridiculous. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- And, for what it's worth, E1 and E2 are rules about how to use the nom template and stuff like that; did you mean something else? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was referring to multiple sentences in the hook... it would mean less connecting words and maybe enhance readability. I would argue that with these so-called "monster" hooks we typically see a list, i.e. ...that X wrote A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and so on. However, this nomination does not follow that formula (and, as far as I'm aware, neither have any of my previous ones). Yet a list type nomination is often to be found on the Main Page. This hook is not such a list. It has involved more thought to link a number of related topics and, from my own point of view, appears no worse than what one would normally find at DYK (apart from problems being raised over its length). I've often seen some nominations that are blatantly obvious or that aren't particularly eye-catching make it onto the Main Page. I don't understand why length would be such an major issue. I would understand if it didn't fit but it's not that massive really... as for notions that people would think it ridiculous – is this because it is unusual? People are always complaining and thinking the Main Page looks ridiculous. It is difficult to appeal to everyone but who is to say that lengthy DYKs don't have a cult following amongst readers? It could surely look no more ridiculous than the day there were two TFAs. From that experiment (and from the previous monsters at DYK) it is clear that the Main Page does not stick to a rigid set of rules. I find this interesting because it leaves all sorts of possibilities open and this is one such opportunity. Navigating the hook, I am willing to provide the sources here and to specify which part each is for if it helps... --candle•wicke 23:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- The link is Additional rules E1 and E2 - don't tell me we've ended up with two sets of additional rules/explanations using the same numbering system... I have renamed the section because it's too long for edit summaries to be useful. On the merits of the hook, it is far too convoluted and tenuously connected to be readable. The hotel with which you start and the person with whom you finish have nothing in common. "Technically related" is putting it mildly; it reads like a nightmare game of "Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon". Please split it into more closely connected groups of hooks, rather than having more than one sentence in a hook. In no way is this comparable to the unique situation of two TFAs. I BencherliteTalk 23:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- We do indeed have two sets of rules using the same numbering system. That's because one was intended to replace the other, but it didn't turn out that way. This is the first time that has been a problem, because additional rules are usually called "additional rule xx", and anyway links are usually provided. If this becomes a pain, we could reverse one of the numbering systems; that is, E1 and E2 become 1E and 2E. Art LaPella (talk) 02:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Also, Additional Rule E1 is about the word "that", and Additional Rule E2 is about those who occasionally argue that only one sentence is allowed. So how are either E1 and E2 relevant? Art LaPella (talk) 03:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- We do indeed have two sets of rules using the same numbering system. That's because one was intended to replace the other, but it didn't turn out that way. This is the first time that has been a problem, because additional rules are usually called "additional rule xx", and anyway links are usually provided. If this becomes a pain, we could reverse one of the numbering systems; that is, E1 and E2 become 1E and 2E. Art LaPella (talk) 02:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- The link is Additional rules E1 and E2 - don't tell me we've ended up with two sets of additional rules/explanations using the same numbering system... I have renamed the section because it's too long for edit summaries to be useful. On the merits of the hook, it is far too convoluted and tenuously connected to be readable. The hotel with which you start and the person with whom you finish have nothing in common. "Technically related" is putting it mildly; it reads like a nightmare game of "Seven degrees of Kevin Bacon". Please split it into more closely connected groups of hooks, rather than having more than one sentence in a hook. In no way is this comparable to the unique situation of two TFAs. I BencherliteTalk 23:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I was referring to multiple sentences in the hook... it would mean less connecting words and maybe enhance readability. I would argue that with these so-called "monster" hooks we typically see a list, i.e. ...that X wrote A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H and so on. However, this nomination does not follow that formula (and, as far as I'm aware, neither have any of my previous ones). Yet a list type nomination is often to be found on the Main Page. This hook is not such a list. It has involved more thought to link a number of related topics and, from my own point of view, appears no worse than what one would normally find at DYK (apart from problems being raised over its length). I've often seen some nominations that are blatantly obvious or that aren't particularly eye-catching make it onto the Main Page. I don't understand why length would be such an major issue. I would understand if it didn't fit but it's not that massive really... as for notions that people would think it ridiculous – is this because it is unusual? People are always complaining and thinking the Main Page looks ridiculous. It is difficult to appeal to everyone but who is to say that lengthy DYKs don't have a cult following amongst readers? It could surely look no more ridiculous than the day there were two TFAs. From that experiment (and from the previous monsters at DYK) it is clear that the Main Page does not stick to a rigid set of rules. I find this interesting because it leaves all sorts of possibilities open and this is one such opportunity. Navigating the hook, I am willing to provide the sources here and to specify which part each is for if it helps... --candle•wicke 23:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Oh. :( Can I request rules E1 and E2 be invoked here? They are all technically related and I discovered some links between some articles that aren't even mentioned... --candle•wicke 20:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't call it a requirement (see L1) but there was a precedent somewhere for rejecting monster noms. Art LaPella (talk) 19:28, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- The hook is completely indigestible as it is. Breaking it up into separate sentences would also be creating a precedent that I'm not sure we'd want to do. I also sense it would be difficult to do. There's a ridiculous 25 noms in this hook, I see at least three separate hooks here. Gatoclass (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I beg to differ--it's not indigestible at all, and the mere fact that the articles are not simply an enumeration makes it all the more impressive--and "impressive" is a much more appropriate word here than "ridiculous." OK, so it is not unlike a Kevin Bacon game, but it is no nightmare, and it deserves a main page A for effort AND execution. Drmies (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- The hook is completely indigestible as it is. Breaking it up into separate sentences would also be creating a precedent that I'm not sure we'd want to do. I also sense it would be difficult to do. There's a ridiculous 25 noms in this hook, I see at least three separate hooks here. Gatoclass (talk) 23:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Suggested breakup:
- ... that Dunbrody Country House Hotel owner Kevin Dundon and Thornton's Restaurant owner Kevin Thornton of Heat also featured on Guerrilla Gourmet alongside Café Paradiso owner Denis Cotter, The Mustard Seed owner Dan Mullane and former Mint Restaurant proprietor Dylan McGrath?
- ... that Dylan McGrath's documentary The Pressure Cooker was criticised by Michelin star winning French restauranteur Patrick Guilbaud but has been praised by L'Ecrivain owner Derry Clarke, a judge alongside Sammy Leslie on the Adare produced Fáilte Towers?
- ... that Bazil Ashmawy featured in the first season of Celebrity Bainisteoir, now in its second season and featuring Working Girls and Wonderwomen star Katherine Lynch alongside Miss Universe contender Andrea Roche? Gatoclass (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- The trouble with the above is that we arrive at Bazil Ashmawy out of nowhere (he is missing his connection). With regards to the relationship between first and last, I began with a cookery theme and I ended with a television programme in which one of the hook's cooks appeared briefly (source). So there is a relationship of sorts between the subjects. They are also all connected to television in some way, shape or form, the majority being either cookery or reality. What if they were run under one another in the same queue? That way the three might make more sense... --candle•wicke 00:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- One almost always has to compromise a little when writing a hook. The Basil Ashmawy article is not a nommed article so it's not terribly important to add info on it, although one might conceivably get away with a word or two of introduction. As to your other comment, I don't see any point in running a series of hooks consecutively, we strive for variety in updates. Gatoclass (talk) 01:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Alt for hook 3: ... that the first season of Celebrity Bainisteoir was said to have "brought the worlds of celebrity and GAA club football crashing together", and the second season features Working Girls and Wonderwomen star Katherine Lynch and Miss Universe contender Andrea Roche? BencherliteTalk 01:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- That reads fine to me as an alt, assuming it is short enough. Gatoclass (talk) 01:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Pacnews
- ... that Pacnews stopped reporting on Fijian news rather than submit to government censorship in the wake of the 2009 Fijian constitutional crisis?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 02:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Daniel Cragin Mill
- ... that Frye's Measure Mill (pictured) is the only surviving operating water-powered measure mill in the United States?
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Louisiana State Rep. Chris Hazel in 2008 successfully proposed an anti-prostitution bill broadening "sexual intercourse" to include "oral and anal" as well as "vaginal" contact?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:35 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Successfully proposed a bill, or proposed a successful bill? Also, doesn't need quotes. -Freekee (talk) 02:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the 1957–1958 CBS sitcom Dick and the Duchess was one of the few American television series filmed in England?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified, offline source accepted in good faith. CarpetCrawlermessage me 04:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Algoma, Oregon
- ... that the Algoma Lumber Company established Algoma, Oregon?
5x expanded by Orygun (talk), Katr67 (talk), Doncram (talk), and ZabMilenko (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 07:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT:
- ... that the tugboat that towed log rafts across Upper Klamath Lake to the Algoma lumber mill in Algoma, Oregon, is now on display in the Collier Memorial State Park logging museum? Aboutmovies (talk) 19:46, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Monumental sculpture
- ... that the definition of monumental sculpture (example pictured) may vary depending on the period being discussed?
Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Bolek Polívka
- ... that the Czech actor Bolek Polívka was involved in one of the oddest legal disputes in the history of the Czech Republic?
Created by Vejvančický (talk), Haploidavey (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1eetalk 16:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Al-Batani al-Sharqi
- ... that al-Batani al-Sharqi, a depopulated Palestinian village near Gaza, was originally founded as a ranch by the Umayyad caliph Muawiyah I in the 8th century CE?
Created by Al Ameer son (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, history, and hook verified. Offline reference AGFed. Cheers. I'mperator 13:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
William A. Bowles, Harrison H. Dodd, Lambdin P. Milligan
- ... that the principle of Ex parte Milligan came from the thrown out convictions of William A. Bowles, Harrison H. Dodd, and Lambdin P. Milligan (pictured)?
Created by Bedford (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
for Dodd and Milligan,
for the offline reference in Bowles. Length, history, and hook verified. Cheers. I'mperator 13:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Stacey Castor
- ... that part of what helped the criminal case against convicted murderer Stacey Castor was the evidence of calcium oxalate crystal growth in the kidneys of her deceased victims via antifreeze poisoning?
Created by Concertchorale (talk), Flyer22 (talk). Nominated by Flyer22 at 10:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Note: Article was a stub before I significantly expanded it. I was originally going to create the article, but was "beaten to the punch" due to not wanting it to simply be a stub or very mediocre. Flyer22 (talk) 10:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook ref all check out CanadianNine 01:22, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
We can't use this - sections of the article are almost copied word-for-word from the sources. Certainly, the structure of the sentences and paragraphs are copied. Awadewit (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- A lot of the article is in my own words. I will go ahead and reword other parts of the article right now. Once I'm done with that, I will come back and inform you. Flyer22 (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Discussion about this article is going on at its talk page. I feel that it is fine now. But, apparently, that is up to Awadewit. The time for when this article will no longer be eligible for DYK is drawing near (if not already the case), though, and perhaps it is a moot point now. Flyer22 (talk) 04:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- A lot of the article is in my own words. I will go ahead and reword other parts of the article right now. Once I'm done with that, I will come back and inform you. Flyer22 (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
American System-Built Homes
- ... that architect Frank Lloyd Wright designed his American System-Built Homes (pictured) to be affordable housing, using precut parts and standardized designs?
5x expanded by Freekee (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
3040/749 = 4.1x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Aw man, I was sure that was more than five times. Not gonna happen. Thanks for looking. -Freekee (talk) 05:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Could someone do a count again, when they have a chance? We might be above 4.5 times. -Freekee (talk) 01:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Aw man, I was sure that was more than five times. Not gonna happen. Thanks for looking. -Freekee (talk) 05:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- 3778/749 = 5.0x expansion. So the expansion's good. I can't find an inline citation for the hook fact, though. In general, you have large sections lacking citations. Should be easy to fix though. Shubinator (talk) 01:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Citations are tough, since the article was created out of several different sources. I'd have to put a ref on each sentence, and it would be rather pointless. There's no particular reference for this hook, it's just how it is. I did change around my references section to make it easier to find info that one would try to verify. But if that's not good enough, how about a different hook?...
- ... that when architect Frank Lloyd Wright designed his American System-Built Homes (pictured), he produced over 900 working drawings, which was more than he made for any other project?
Or something like that? -Freekee (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- This hook is verified, but the article needs more references. The DYK rules say that the article in general should use inline, cited sources. It's a good practice for verifiability. That might mean a ref at the end of every sentence, yes. Shubinator (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- I thought the first hook was hookier, IMO, but I see it doesn't fit your rules, since it doesn't appear as a concise sentence in the article. The second is fine, and properly referenced. As for the rest of the article, I didn't think it needed to have inline references at every spot, because it meets general Wikipeida guidelines for references, and I don't see a more specific requirement in your rules. But I added the inline refs anyway. -Freekee (talk) 18:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) for the alternate. Thanks for adding the references. Shubinator (talk) 20:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the green check mark! -Freekee (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- This hook is verified, but the article needs more references. The DYK rules say that the article in general should use inline, cited sources. It's a good practice for verifiability. That might mean a ref at the end of every sentence, yes. Shubinator (talk) 16:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Samuel Escue Tillman
- ... that in 1917, with the United States' entry into World War I looming, retired United States Army engineer Samuel Escue Tillman was recalled to active duty to become superintendent of the United States Military Academy?
Created by BusterD (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alt1 - ... that on April 17, 1897, United States Army engineer Samuel Escue Tillman was discovered with inventor Amos Dolbear operating a cigar-shaped electrically-powered flying device in Stephenville, Texas?
At 218 characters, the first hook's too long. However, the second hook is kind of confusing: was he found using said flying device, or did he invent it? If it's the first, I hardly think "was discovered" is the appropriate term. Everything else checks out, though. Just brush those things up, and it'll be fine. :) Cheers. I'mperator 23:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alt2 - ... that on April 17, 1897, a Stephenville, Texas, farmer discovered United States Army engineer Samuel Escue Tillman and inventor Amos Dolbear operating an electrically-powered airship?
- Alt3 - ... that on April 17, 1897, a Stephenville, Texas, farmer discovered a UFO had landed on his property, an airship operated by United States Army engineer Samuel Escue Tillman and inventor Amos Dolbear?
A Push and a Shove: A Novel
- ... that Christopher Kelly's first book, A Push and a Shove: A Novel, is a 2007 novel in the thriller genre that won the Lambda Literary Award for Gay Debut Fiction in 2007?
Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Nominated by Benjiboi (talk) at 14:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook ref all check out. CanadianNine 01:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is really just a plot summary with some lists. Could we at least get a "Reception" or "Genre" section before this goes on the main page per D6? Awadewit (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- We were trying to avoid fluffing it. Is there an example of "genre" I can look at? In looking at D6 I think we do cover the content without belabouring it. We could dive into bullying and revenge as the major themes but that might step us into OR concerns. -- Banjeboi 12:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Persian embassy to Europe (1599–1602)
- ... that the Persian embassy to Europe in 1599–1602 (pictured) aimed at establishing a Christian-Persian alliance against the Ottoman Empire?
Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified.
Source accepted in good faith. Ceranthor 17:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Smalltooth sand tiger
- ... that individual smalltooth sand tigers (pictured) have been documented returning to the same location off Lebanon every summer?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
5x revision verified
Book reference verified(I own that book) Drew R. Smith (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Trout Creek Mountains
- ... that environmentalist and ranchers worked with the Bureau of Land Management to restore riparian areas in the Trout Creek Mountains (pictured) of southeastern Oregon?
Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
St Joseph's Church, Brighton
- ... that St Joseph's Church (pictured), a Roman Catholic church in Brighton, England, was not officially dedicated until 100 years after building work started because a debt had not been settled?
Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 22:35, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. CarpetCrawlermessage me 23:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Richard Peek, Loddiswell
- ... that when Richard Peek (pictured) of Loddiswell became a Sheriff of London he paid for a missionary to visit Newgate Prison?
Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Loddiswell has only 1340 characters of prose. Shubinator (talk) 23:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Good now. ALT1: ... that when Richard Peek (pictured) of Loddiswell became Sheriff of London he paid for a missionary to visit the prisoners at Newgate Prison? Shubinator (talk) 18:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC) tweaked but fine ... thx Victuallers (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Frank Grouard
- ... that Frank Grouard (pictured), a famous scout during the Indian Wars, was believed by many to be an American Indian but actually came from the Society Islands in the South Pacific?
Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date (April 23) and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Tandberg Storage
- ... that Tandberg Storage was established as a spin-off from Tandberg Data in 2003, just to be merged back in 2008?
5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 19:29, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Unsure about sources, as most of article is sourced by company website. Although the sources for hook are probably OK, is it all right to have an article that is primarily sourced by the company website? Also, the hook gives no information as to why this fact is interesting or intriguing. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
James D. Hutton
- ... that James D. Hutton was a pioneer photographer of the northern Rockies who betrayed the plans for the Federal defense of Alexandria, Virginia, to the Confederacy early in the American Civil War?
Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified. Book source for hook accepted in good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Puyehue-Cordón Caulle
- ... that Puyehue Volcano (pictured) may have produced the most primitive basalts of the Southern Volcanic Zone?
- Comment: The Puyehue-Cordón Caulle Volcanic Complex is unique in many aspects; for explame morphology, geochemistry, geothermal activity and eruptive style
Created by Dentren (talk). Self nom at 17:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alt ... that Puyehue Volcano (pictured) may have produced some of the most primitive magmas in the Andes?
Length, date and source for hook verified. (I modified the hook a little to conform with the source.) —Mattisse (Talk) 19:36, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Prevailing winds
- ... that the prevailing winds at any particular location are dependent upon the latitude of a location, the presence of nearby mountains, and the presence of a nearby water body?
5x expanded by Thegreatdr (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I make it just under a 5 X expansion. Plenty of time to add a little more before this reaches the bottom of the queue. :) Cheers, Paxse (talk) 17:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- According to the history page, the article was 2.2kb before my edits. It was 13.5 kb (a 6x expansion) when submitted for DYK, and now it's up to 14.8kb (nearly a 7x expansion). I don't see the issue, unless you're computing the article size differently than wikipedia automatically does. If so, let me know how much more it needs to be expanded to make your 5x cutoff. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, DYK goes by prose length. You're very close, just 330 prose characters short of 5x. There's more on how we count characters here. Shubinator (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
A problem is that this article has incorporated at least one other article to create the expansion. For example, wind rose is copied word for word into this article. It has also copied, word for word, the first paragraph of trade winds and Polar easterlies. I added to the article a little to get the word count up, but then I noticed this problem. The expansion is supposed to include only material new to Wikipedia to count, I believe. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Wow. Good luck determining that. Some articles, such as prevailing winds, are parent articles to others such as trade winds, westerlies, polar easterlies, and to some degree sea breeze. It has been a common method of mine in filling out stub/start articles where the research was already done within other articles with the already-researched information. There is new content being added, however, so it's not all old material to Wikipedia. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 24
Free produce movement
- ... that an 1830s newspaper article in Freedom's Journal in favor of the free produce movement determined that the sugar consumption of 25 people required the toil of one slave?
Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Madison Square Garden (1925)
- ... that City College of New York was one of the first schools banned from playing at Madison Square Garden due to the 1951 CCNY Point Shaving Scandal?
Created by Patken4 (talk). Nominated by Chrishomingtang (talk) at 19:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Cabinet of Singapore
- ... that in April 2009 Lim Hwee Hua became the first woman in Singapore to be appointed a full Minister of the Cabinet of Singapore?
5x expanded by Jacklee (talk). Nominated by Jacklee (talk) at 14:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Julian Myrick
- ... that Julian Myrick, an insurance businessman, was inducted in the International Tennis Hall of Fame for his promotion and administration of the sport in the United States?
Created by Skialta855 (talk), Dank55 (talk), LeaveSleaves (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Julian Myrick, a lifelong Republican, supported Democratic candidate James M. Cox in the 1920 US presidential election? LeaveSleaves 14:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- There were 3 US presidential elections in the 1920's, so it should be "the 1920 US presidential election" or "a 1920s US presidential election". (no apostrophe according to WP:DECADE. I changed it once.) Art LaPella (talk) 20:39, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- My mistake. Fixed now. LeaveSleaves 02:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Dorothy Bridges
- ... that actor Jeff Bridges credits his mother, Dorothy Bridges, with passing down lessons she learned from acclaimed acting teacher Michael Chekhov to her children?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Johanson-Blizzard syndrome
- ... that Johanson-Blizzard syndrome, a recessive congenital disorder, features abnormal development of the pancreas, nose and scalp, with mental retardation, hearing loss and growth failure?
Created by Rcej (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
I really wouldn't use the work "featured". Otherwise, everything else looks fine (article length, history, and hook verified). Cheers. I'mperator 13:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps "can cause" instead of "features"? --Another Believer (Talk) 18:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Saint Serapion
- ... that the crucified figure in Francisco Zurbarán 1628 painting Saint Serapion (pictured) was based on a Mercedarian friar who fought and was martyred during the Third Crusade of 1196?
Created by Ceoil (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Upper and Lower Table Rock
- ... that the Upper and Lower Table Rock geologic formation (pictured) in Oregon was formed by erosion caused by the Rogue River?
Created by ZabMilenko (talk), Little Mountain 5 (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 08:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that when the Rogue River eroded andesitic lava in the Rogue Valley it created the Upper and Lower Table Rock geologic formation? Ceranthor 17:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Works for me. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Wendelin Grimm Farmstead
- ... that Wendelin Grimm's winter-hardy alfalfa grown on the Wendelin Grimm Farmstead in Carver County, Minnesota, became the source of all modern varieties of alfalfa grown on 25,000,000 acres (10,000,000 ha) of the United States?
Created by Elkman (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Poses (album)
- ... that Rufus Wainwright's second studio album, Poses, features a song originally written by his father, Loudon Wainwright III?
5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 02:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Leonard T. Schroeder
- ... that Leonard T. "Max" Schroeder Jr. was the first American soldier to land in Normandy from an assault boat on D-Day in World War II?
Created by JGHowes (talk). Self nom at 15:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Length, date and source for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Donald Featherstone (artist)
- ... that Don Featherstone created over 750 plastic animals, but is most famous for the plastic flamingo (pictured)?
5x expanded by Found5dollar (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Size, date, and image fine. AGF of hook ref pertaining to 'widely known.' Great expansion! Law shoot! 03:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that James Brown, most remembered as the fictitious Lieutenant Rip Masters in ABC's The Adventures of Rin Tin Tin, was also a baritone singer?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk) 09:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC). Self nom.
- That would have been good for April Fool's Day. Is it too early to start collecting for next year? --candle•wicke 14:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Chorioactis geaster
- ... that the "Devil's Cigar" (pictured) is a rare mushroom found only in Texas and Japan?
5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
3376/1188 = 2.9x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 22:49, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've fattened up the article (like force-feeding ducks to make foie-gras), please have another look. Also, how about a catchier ALT hook:
... that the rare "Devil's Cigar" mushroom (pictured) releases a smoky cloud of spores with an audible hissing sound?
Article expansion, history, and references verified. Cheers. I'mperator 13:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Singin' and Swingin' and Gettin' Merry Like Christmas
- ... that according to her autobiography Singin' and Swingin' and Gettin' Merry Like Christmas, Marguerite Johnson changed her name to Maya Angelou because it sounded more exotic?
Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Self nom by Christine (talk) 22:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
We usually don't accept articles that are almost entirely plot summaries. See D6. If you can expand this a bit in the next few days with at least the beginnings of a "Reception" section, it should be fine. Awadewit (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've been working on expanding the article for the last few days, but I need a couple more days. I may be finished by tonight. So would you mind putting this request on hold for a little while longer? Thanks. --Christine (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- It hasn't even reached the "Older noms" section. :) We're really backlogged here. Awadewit (talk) 21:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I was just coverin' my substantial backside. I have some minor tweaking to do, but I have now pasted a "Themes" section to this article, which I suspect fulfills your request. Thanks again. --Christine (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Richard Farrell
- ... that Richard Farrell, who died in a car accident in 1958, aged 31, has been described as "New Zealand's greatest classical pianist"?
Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
This source, used for the quotation, does not look reliable. Note that the site is run by "a collection of people who are supporters of New Zealand music". Furthermore, this quote does not even appear on the page. The closest thing is "He's regarded by many as the 'greatest NZ classical pianist'", which is taken from a user comment on the website. Awadewit (talk) 13:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Carlos de Beistegui
- ... that the Bal oriental, one of the most lavish social events of the 20th century, was held at the Palazzo Labia in Venice on 3 September 1951, hosted by Carlos de Beistegui?
Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
One of the opening sentences of the article was a copyvio from the New York Times (I have now removed it and left a note on the article's talk page). The entire article should be checked. Awadewit (talk) 13:55, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
John Roach
- ... that John Roach (pictured) rose from humble origins to establish America's largest postbellum shipbuilding empire, John Roach & Sons, which included the Etna Iron Works, the Morgan Iron Works, and the former Reaney shipyard, renamed the Delaware River Iron Ship Building and Engine Works, which later became Merchant Shipbuilding?
Created/expanded by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Easiest way to confirm the hook is by using the John Roach & Sons article, which contains all the info in the hook in summary form, with cites. (Except for the "humble origins" part which can be found in the John Roach article, ie his start as a laborer at 25c a day). Gatoclass (talk) 23:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 23
Basedth District
- ... that a 2.5 million dollar climate change project in Basedth District, Cambodia, aims to improve water supply and increase rice production (pictured)?
5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 17:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Alexander Oswald Brodie
- ... that the family of Alexander Brodie's (pictured) wife was killed during the collapse of a dam for which he was chief engineer?
- ALT1:... Arizona Territorial Governor Alexander Oswald Brodie (pictured) received a commendation from the US Secretary of War after he engaged in an eight-hour fight with a band of Apache?
- ALT2:... Arizona Territorial Governor Alexander Oswald Brodie (pictured) pardoned Pearl Hart under the condition the stagecoach robber left the territory?
5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Valérie Nicolas, French Handball Federation
- ... that among French handball player Valérie Nicolas´ (pictured) triumphs are victories at the World Championship, Champions League, EHF Cup, Cup Winners' Cup, and both French and Danish national championships?
5x expanded by Aikurn (talk), Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added French Handball Federation, which was started 27 April. (The expanded article is Valérie Nicolas). Wording of hook adjusted. Oceanh (talk) 01:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC).
B-Boy
- ... that although professional wrestler B-Boy had his retirement match in the Jersey All Pro Wrestling promotion on December 8, 2007, he returned just over a year later?
- ALT1:... that although professional wrestler B-Boy lost a Loser Leaves Town match to Nate Webb in Combat Zone Wrestling in August 2005, he returned to the promotion the next month?
5x expanded by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 04:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Ellen Neel
- ... that Ellen Neel was the first and most accomplished female totem pole carver?
Created by Avannupo (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 19:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
The article and its reference make that claim but they can't know that. According to the totem pole article, even the origin of totem poles requires some guesswork, so any women carving totem poles centuries ago are unknown today. Art LaPella (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's impossible to know but NW tribes have very strict traditions regarding gender roles. I changed the article to read "first known professional female totem pole carver" with a new reference. At least that is provable. -Avannupo (talk) 23:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Avannupo
William H. Lewis
- ... that William H. Lewis (pictured) became the first African-American college football player in 1888 and the first to serve as U.S. Assistant Attorney General in 1911?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 16:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- alt ... that when W.H. Lewis (pictured), the first African-American college football player, became U.S. Asst. Attorney General in 1911, it was the highest executive office held by an African-American? Cbl62 (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Verified length and date. AGF on offline refs. I think the original hook reads better than the alt. Rlendog (talk) 21:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're right. I was trying to cram too much into the alt hook. Cbl62 (talk) 05:05, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Double aortic arch
- ... that patients with the congenital vascular malformation double aortic arch have two aortic arches, instead of one, which form a vascular ring that can compress the trachea and the esophagus?
Created by LDue (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:38, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Egil Eide
- ... that when Ibsen's play Brand was first staged in Norway, 38 years after it was published, Egil Eide (pictured) played the title role?
Created by Lugnuts (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified, foreign language source accepted in good faith. CarpetCrawlermessage me 21:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Indian Fields Methodist Campground
- ... that the Indian Fields Methodist Campground (pictured) in South Carolina has been used for camp meetings and religious gatherings for over 160 years?
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hook is not sourced. CarpetCrawlermessage me 22:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I need some help. Do you mean that (1) I should move the reference number to the sentence in the introduction instead of the one after it or (2) do you mean that no one specifically said 160 years (actually 2009 - 1848)?KudzuVine (talk) 23:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, I mucked up and misread it! Length, date, and source for hook verified. :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 02:15, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks KudzuVine (talk) 10:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Gerhard Munthe (painter)
- ... that Gerhard Munthe (pictured), a painter, illustrator and chair of the National Gallery of Norway, lost his wife to Fridtjof Nansen?
Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Length and date verified, foreign language source accepted in good faith. CarpetCrawlermessage me 22:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Leonid Konovalov
- ... that I+People=?, currently being considered for the second selection round of the 2009 Cannes Film Festival, was created by Leonid Konovalov, a homeless Russian who hasn't properly showered in 19 years?
Created by Cordovao (talk). Self nom at 16:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Leonid Konovalov, a homeless Russian man, created the film I + People = ?, which is being considered for selection in the 2009 Cannes Film Festival? —97198 (talk) 13:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the bit about him not properly showering for 19 years is very interesting and shouldn't be left out. I understand if people think this is me protecting my suggested hook, but I believe more people will want to read the article if they read about his lack of a shower for so long due to it being an intriguing fact, in my opinion. Cordovao (talk) 16:20, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The Emma
- ... that on 28 February 1828, 47 people died when The Emma was launched on the River Irwell in Manchester?
Created by Parrot of Doom (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
The Grove (Ole Miss)
- ... that The Grove at Ole Miss (pictured) was called "the mother and mistress of outdoor ritual mayhem" for its legendary football game day tailgating by The New York Times?
Created by Allstarecho (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that The Grove at Ole Miss (pictured) is the legendary tailgating area located at the center of the University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) campus?
Archie Roe
- ... that footballer Archie Roe (pictured) scored South Shields F.C.'s first ever goal in The Football League and the following month was signed by the team he had scored it against?
created by ChrisTheDude (talk), 5x expanded the following day by Struway2 (talk). Nominated by ChrisTheDude (talk) at 09:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Caleb Huse
- ... that Massachusetts born Caleb Huse (pictured) was a Major in the Confederate Army, who purchased from Europe the majority of imported weapons used by the South during the American Civil War?
Created/expanded by Trippz (talk). Self nom at 08:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
-
- Does that work? Do I correct it here? --Trippz (talk) 02:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's under the limit, but it's still hard to follow. Would this work?
- ALT1: ... that Confederate Army Major Caleb Huse (pictured) purchased most of the South's imported weapons during the American Civil War? Shubinator (talk) 02:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- sounds better, having some difficulty hook-lining the article. Thanks --Trippz (talk) 05:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) for ALT1. The hook isn't explicitly in any reference, but this book cited in the article says "Nearly singlehandedly, he [Huse] was providing the Southern armies with essential war materials." Shubinator (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- It's under the limit, but it's still hard to follow. Would this work?
- Does that work? Do I correct it here? --Trippz (talk) 02:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Conservative and Unionist Women's Franchise Association
- ... that the Conservative and Unionist Women's Franchise Association stymied anti-suffragists by denying them widespread Conservative Party support? Moved from userspace today, hence the confusing page history. Ironholds (talk) 06:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Valentine Baker (pilot)
- ... that British flight instructor Valentine Baker taught such noted pupils as Edward, Prince of Wales, Amy Johnson, and Grace Marguerite Hay Drummond-Hay?
Created by Howcheng (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced the word luminaries is entirely neutral... - Mgm|(talk) 10:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- "noted pupils"? howcheng {chat} 16:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced the word luminaries is entirely neutral... - Mgm|(talk) 10:42, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Gay class fast patrol boat, HMS Gay Viking, HM Motor Gun Boat 2007
- ... that the Royal Navy accepted a Gay Viking and a Gay Corsair into their service during the Second World War, with another 12 Gays joining in the 1950s?
- Comment: Following on from the recent 'Lesbians going down' April Fools Day hook, and the usual banter about 'Gays in the Navy', would this do for 2010 April Fools?
Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Suggest reserving for April Fool's, 2010 Cheers. I'mperator 00:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 22
Tea production in Sri Lanka
- ... that the fungus Hemileia vastatrix (pictured) which plagued the coffee industry in Ceylon from 1869 contributed to the growth of commercial tea production?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld and Chanakal Self nom at 17:39, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Nice. 17X expansion and date and hook verified. However, isn't the source from a commercial site?--Caspian blue 17:53, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll check... I'll replace it with this Dr. Blofeld White cat 21:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks. Then you have to change the 1870s to 1860s.--Caspian blue 21:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
good to go.--Caspian blue 06:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that a rare, iridescent purple pearl estimated to be worth thousands of dollars was found in a $10 plate of steamed clams (pictured) at a Florida restaurant?
Created by ChildofMidnight (talk), Bongomatic (talk). Nominated by Kelapstick (talk) at 15:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
because the title of the article is "misleading". I recommend the editors working on the article change the title to "Steamer" or "Consumption of steamed clams in the United States and United Kingdom" or globalize the contents. French, Belgians are known for their steamed clam dishes. There are many "steamed clam dishes" in not only Chinese cuisine but also throughout in Asian cuisine.--Caspian blue 15:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- On Googlebooks and news all I can find is U.S. steamed clams. Can you add info on the steamed clams eaten by others? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry but I think you did not try harder given these ample news sources NYTimes on Chinese food, 301 for "steamed clams" Chinese food, 665 for "steamed clams" French food--Caspian blue 16:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- You obviously have a VERY powerful search engine. I have internationalized the article and it is now a veritable United Nations of steamed clams. I hope that many more steamed clam dishes and cultures will be added and represented as more and more Wikipedians and clam loving people around the world take an interest in this important subject. I hope I have shelled out enough clams to satisfy your excellent point. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thank you for the globalized the article. The hook, date and article length are verified.--Caspian blue 06:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Mark Steel's in Town
- ... that the first series of British radio stand-up comedy show Mark Steel's in Town was recorded in Skipton, Boston, Lewes, Walsall, Merthyr Tydfil and the Isle of Portland?
Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but the article is currently too short. It is 1475 characters, while it must be at least 1500 characters in order for it to be eligible. Only 25 more characters, then the article would be long enough. I did not check the source, but it can't be accepted unless this minor problem is fixed. Thanks! The Earwig (User | Talk | Contributions) 23:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Size is OK now. Law (talk) 01:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Thomas G. W. Settle
- ... that record-setting balloonist Tex Settle earned his Navy Cross commanding a heavy cruiser in the Battle of Leyte Gulf?
Created by NVO (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- <alt> ... that record-setting balloonist Tex Settle aspired to become the United States ambassador to the Soviet Union?
- <alt> ... that in 1950 former record-setting balloonist Thomas G. W. Settle was assigned to perform a nuclear test in the Aleutian islands? NVO (talk) 19:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, references good for all hooks. I like the first and last though. Shubinator (talk) 02:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Patrick Murphy Malin
- ... that Patrick Murphy Malin was expected to become head of the family bank, but instead served as executive director of the ACLU?
Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 19:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference verified (with Proquest). Shubinator (talk) 02:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Silene tomentosa
- ... that silene tomentosa (Gibraltar campion), a very rare flowering plant which is endemic to and only grows in Gibraltar, was re-discovered on the Rock of Gibraltar in 1994 after it was believed extinct?
Created by Gibmetal77 (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Comment Doesn't endemic mean it only grows there? I got burned on that one once. Seems redundant to say "only grows in".--Wehwalt (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but there are a few problems with the article. It is classified as a stub (it has 1136 characters instead of the required 1500), and per the DYK rules, cannot become a Did you know? entry. While the hook contains one extra character than is allowed, this is not such a big problem. Most importantly the article is too short. Thanks for your submission! The Earwig (User | Talk | Contributions) 23:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 21
New American Tea Party
- ... that the New American Tea Party, a political organization that imitates the Boston Tea Party, protests the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009?
Created by Hmwith (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:10, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment perhaps "evokes" rather than "imitates"?--Wehwalt (talk) 04:30, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that the information in this article needs to be presented more carefully. For example, the first sentence is "The New American Tea Party is a nonpartisan[1] political umbrella organization that protests the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009". The footnote for "nonpartisan" is linked to a FoxNews report. However, the article itself acknowledges that Fox, a partisan station, has come under fire for its promotion of these parties. As many reports of these tea parties are going to be highly politicized, I think we have take extreme care in how we present this information. We need to make readers very aware of who is saying what about these events and this organization. Awadewit (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. However, the hook itself does not mention "nonpartisan", and is accurate in that it does protest the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 and does relate to the Boston Tea Party. I am no FOX News fan, and I understand your argument, but I do not see how the hook can be deemed as inappropriate. Feel free to let me know if another hook would be better and I'd be happy to come up with another one. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- But I think when we are linking to this article from the main page, we want the article itself to follow best practices, don't you? Awadewit (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Of course. However, is FOX News no longer a reliable source to use on Wikipedia? If a news source indicates non-partisanship, regardless of their own reputation, the claim should still be able to be made. Perhaps the idea of Fox's so-called sponsorship (so-called encouragement and obvious coverage) needs to be addressed further in the article, but I still don't think it impacts the hook itself. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't say Fox News wasn't reliable - I said we should make it clear who is saying what in the article. For example, there are specific claims being made by the right-leaning Fox News and left-leaning Huffington Post, but all of these are presented objectively in the text of the article. The source of the information needs to be presented much more clearly to the reader. Not everything at DYK is about the hook - we assess the articles as well. Awadewit (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Of course. However, is FOX News no longer a reliable source to use on Wikipedia? If a news source indicates non-partisanship, regardless of their own reputation, the claim should still be able to be made. Perhaps the idea of Fox's so-called sponsorship (so-called encouragement and obvious coverage) needs to be addressed further in the article, but I still don't think it impacts the hook itself. --Another Believer (Talk) 01:21, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- But I think when we are linking to this article from the main page, we want the article itself to follow best practices, don't you? Awadewit (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. However, the hook itself does not mention "nonpartisan", and is accurate in that it does protest the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 and does relate to the Boston Tea Party. I am no FOX News fan, and I understand your argument, but I do not see how the hook can be deemed as inappropriate. Feel free to let me know if another hook would be better and I'd be happy to come up with another one. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 18:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- commentWhile I agree that Fox News's commentators' role in promoting the tea parties creates a problem with their use as a source ( I also question the use of commentator-driven news segments as news sources), I don't think that the apparent political slant of a news organization's members necessarily disqualifies their ability to declare something non-partisan. Unlike bi-partisan, the term "non-partisan" isn't really debatable-- either it affiliates with a party or it does not. Having a conservative or liberal slant does not affect "partisanship", which implies formal association with a party. Mrathel (talk) 21:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- But the non-partisan nature of this group has been seriously questioned, so it is a debatable point. Awadewit (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Is the partisanship really what is being questioned so much as the influence of FOX NEWS? Partisanship requires a formal connection between a group and a party; to suggest that a news network might be behind a movement does not meet the formality requirement to suggest partisanship.To suggest that there is an informal connection between a movement is really a matter of ideology rather than partisanship. Mrathel (talk) 02:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- That is missing the point. The problem is that the article is presenting an opinion as if it were an undisputed fact, which is a straightforward violation of WP:ASF. So I don't think we can feature this article at DYK until that particular statement is either appropriately qualified or else removed. Gatoclass (talk) 01:53, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I don't understand your argument. You are saying that "nonpartisan" is an opinion, but you say that I am missing the point when I argue that it isn't. Let me break my argument down one more time to clarify: "Nonpartisan" means "free from party affiliation." If a group claims to be nonpartisan, that should not be disputed unless there is evidence that the organization has a formal relationship with a political party (hence the word partisan, denoting "party). Connections between the group and a news organization, such as FOX NEWS, or its commentators, does not designate "partisanship" but rather an ideological bias. If a group claims non-partisanship and no formal connection between that group and a political party can be made, then do they have to wait until a news article stating "Study Finds New America Tea Party Nonpartsan" before they can officially state that they don't have a party affiliation? I understand the concept of verifiability, but I believe that if a group designates itself with a political stance, it is usually accepted unless proven false. Mrathel (talk) 02:29, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I concede that I did indeed miss your point. My apologies. However, the meaning of "nonpartisan" to which you refer is only one meaning. The more general meaning is simply "not partisan". I also have a problem with the supposed reference, just some talking head using the term in passing. I don't actually see anything at the teaparty website itself where they specifically describe themselves as "nonpartisan". So I think the quality of the ref. in this instance is questionable. Gatoclass (talk) 05:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Here [2] is an article that makes the non-partisan ref as well. I think that the bulk of the problem with the "nonpartisan" claim is that people are confusing the term. It basically means that a group does not formally have a party it supports. A group can be 100% Democrat and still be "nonpartisan" if they do not formally make the attachment. The article on CPAC describes the group as nonpartisan even though it is without a doubt conservative and 100% against the Obama administration; uniting against a party does not imply connection to another.As for the FOX NEWS ref; i think it is garbage. Mrathel (talk) 07:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately that link won't load for me.
- Although technically you may be correct in your definition of "nonpartisan", my concern is primarily that people who are unaware of this technical definition are going to take the word at face value, and assume it means "not partisan". That's why I think it would be better placed in the body of the article rather than the intro, where the nature of the organization can be more fully discussed. Gatoclass (talk) 07:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- I have no problem with moving "nonpartisan" to the body of the article and replacing it with a term that better describes the group instead of its tax status; I was just arguing against the claim that it was POV:)If you can't follow the link, it is a L. A. Daily News article titled "`Tea party' gathering protests big bailout". I understand that "partisan" has gained connotations that force the public to believe that it is interchangeable with "ideological", but when it is used in connection with non-profit organizations, it usually refers to meeting the regulations article 501(c) of the US Tax Code. As for the website non mentioning the status; it states clearly that :"This effort is not endorsed by the New American Tea Party". Mrathel (talk) 07:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Nonpartisan" is only one example of what I see as a larger problem in the article, by the way. We have left-wing and right-wing sources being used, without being credited as such in the article. I don't think that we can present highly politicized information from highly politicized sources without being explicit about the source of the information in the article text. Awadewit (talk) 23:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- You are right in that respect. The article could be better written using only half the references in the list and better using political terms to clear the line between fact and political opinion. As it stands, it probably has too many of these issues to be on the main page. But it isn't partisan:) 00:30, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Fantasy prone personality
- ... that fantasy prone personality is a personality disorder in which a person experiences an extensive and deep involvement in fantasy?
Created by DragonsInFlight (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 20:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe something that isn't readily apparent from the name of the article?--Wehwalt (talk) 04:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- How about: "... that symptoms of fantasy prone personality include vividly intense fantasies, paranormal experiences, and intense religious experiences?" --Another Believer (Talk) 19:01, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good alt hook. What does everyone else think? CarpetCrawlermessage me 18:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
I think this nom is on hold till the {{refimprove}} tag is addressed and taken off. Daniel Case (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Panzer Badge
- ... that the Panzer Battle Badge was awarded in a paper packet, with only the rank, name and signature of an officer to distinguish it?
5x expanded by Tartarus (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm having a hard time finding the sourced hook in the article. Also, does the paper packet distinguish it from other medals? I wasn't quite sure. Law (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- The reference at the end of the paragraph is for the hook, also, most other medals were awarded in a small case that was generally padded with some form of fabric. TARTARUS talk 19:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alt: Includes new DYK nom: Wilhelm Ernst Peekhaus ... that the Panzer Battle Badge was designed by Wilhelm Ernst Peekhaus, a designer of five other Wehrmacht badges? New article on 22 April 2009 by Tartarus (talk)
Lengths, histories and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 17:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Department of Central Eurasian Studies (Indiana University)
- ... that the Department of Central Eurasian Studies at Indiana University is an important center for the study of Central Asia in the United States?
- Comment: Xhancock created the article, I expanded/added refs.
Created by Xhancock (talk). Nominated by Otebig (talk) at 23:14, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- There must be a better hook than that... right? How about something about its history (if a self reference is okay here) or about the languages offered? That might be cool and looks like it's well sourced. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the Department of Central Eurasian Studies at Indiana University teaches many less commonly taught languages from Central Asia including Kazakh, Tajik, Uyghur, and Uzbek? Otebig (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The source doesn't actually say these are less commonly taught languages. Awadewit (talk) 20:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Read the intro to the Less Commonly Taught Languages article, "Less Commonly Taught Languages (or LCTLs) is a designation used in the United States for languages other than the three most commonly taught foreign/world languages in US public schools, i.e. Spanish, French, and German. The term covers a wide array of world languages (other than English), ranging from some of the world's largest and most influential languages, such as Chinese, Russian, Arabic, and Japanese, to smaller regional languages studied in the US mainly by area experts, such as Twi, spoken in West Africa, and Finnish." This is a common, completely uncontroversial use of the term and no one familiar with the term (or who has taken a minute to learn what it refers to) would challenge its use here - as such, no additional source is needed per WP:BURDEN. The source provided is there to confirm that those languages are in fact taught in this department. Otebig (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
- Could someone else weigh in on this? Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Department of Central Eurasian Studies at Indiana University began as a specialized U.S. Army training program during the Second World War?
- I've added a third party ref that supports the claim (and I think it makes a more interesting hook) Cheers, Paxse (talk) 08:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Length, history and reference verified for this hook (which is better). Daniel Case (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Could someone else weigh in on this? Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 21:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
- Read the intro to the Less Commonly Taught Languages article, "Less Commonly Taught Languages (or LCTLs) is a designation used in the United States for languages other than the three most commonly taught foreign/world languages in US public schools, i.e. Spanish, French, and German. The term covers a wide array of world languages (other than English), ranging from some of the world's largest and most influential languages, such as Chinese, Russian, Arabic, and Japanese, to smaller regional languages studied in the US mainly by area experts, such as Twi, spoken in West Africa, and Finnish." This is a common, completely uncontroversial use of the term and no one familiar with the term (or who has taken a minute to learn what it refers to) would challenge its use here - as such, no additional source is needed per WP:BURDEN. The source provided is there to confirm that those languages are in fact taught in this department. Otebig (talk) 21:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 20
List of number-one singles of 2008 (Japan)
- ... that last year TVXQ (pictured) became the first foreign artist to have four number-one singles on the Japanese single charts?
Created by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Ayumi Hamasaki is the only female artist to have a number-one single in Japan for 10 consecutive years?
Length and history verified; foreign-language sources accepted in good faith. Daniel Case (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Scolypopa australis
- ... that the wingless nymphs of the planthopper Scolypopa australis are informally known as fluffy bums?
Created/expanded by Richard001 (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The article prose is too short at 1373 characters. Can you expand it to above 1500? --Bruce1eetalk 11:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- Length now OK. I can't help feeling that we've got a potential April Fool DYK here or perhaps one for during Europride or something?
[ALT1]... that fluffy bums suck on passion vine juice?
[ALT2]... that fluffy bums in tutus can be killers?
OK, the joke is probably funnier in en-gb than in en-us, but there's got to be scope for something along those lines - the tutu article gives references to deaths. Le Deluge (talk) 22:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Length now OK. I can't help feeling that we've got a potential April Fool DYK here or perhaps one for during Europride or something?
Articles created/expanded on April 19
Studioteatret, Jens Bolling, Liv Dommersnes, Arne Thomas Olsen
- ... that Studioteatret was started in Oslo in 1945 by a group of actors and students, including Jens Bolling, Liv Strømsted and Arne Thomas Olsen, who had secretly studied Stanislavski's theatre theories during WW2?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Added Arne Thomas Olsen (the article was expanded 26 April). This addition makes the hook exceed 200 characters, which is normally accepted when the hook has more than one article. Oceanh (talk) 22:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Lengths, histories good; AGF on offline and Norwegian references. Shubinator (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Caricature Museum, Mexico City
- ... that the Caricature Museum of Mexico City is located in what was a 17th century college?
Created/expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The hook is verified with ref.4, but does not sound interesting. How about adding Frida Kahlo in the hook? Ref. 2, 3 do not look like reliable sources.--Caspian blue 01:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- alternate hook. ... that the Caricature Museum (pictured) of Mexico City has featured cartoons and sketches by Frida Kahlo and Jose Clemente Orozco? (Reference #2 is in a website but Notimex is a news service like Reuters. The Universal article (ref 4) is a Notimex piece too. As for Ref 3, it is just a website but does not contain any controversial information. Closest thing to a website for the museum I could find) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelmadatter (talk • contribs) 16:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- I slightly tweaked your hook to show the location info and picture.
--Caspian blue 02:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)Then good to go.
- After second thought, I want you to find a source to replace the ref. 4. Is it a blog?--Caspian blue 02:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- I slightly tweaked your hook to show the location info and picture.
Special occasion holding area
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
Articles created/expanded for Buddha's Birthday (May 2) and Vesak (May 9)
Ta Som
- ... that the Buddhist temple of Ta Som (pictured) near Angkor in Cambodia was built in the 12th century by the King to honour his father?
- Comment: I couldn't resist expanding this tiny stub - we need temples for this Birthday!
5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 13:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Migettuwatte Gunananda Thera
- ... that Migettuwatte Gunananda Thera once served on the committee that designed the Buddhist flag (pictured) in 1885?
Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 07:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Everything checks out. Great job on the article Chanakal! How about this image instead? It looks more striking at 100px. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 08:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Paxse. You too have worked hardly on two articles. I thought picture flag is too much bright. But You and others think it is better than the photo flag I also like to go with your opinion. Cheers!--Chanaka L (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
See also
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