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RD: George Gilbey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:23EE:14E0:15A0:D9D4:EACA:4221:4590 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
--2A00:23EE:14E0:15A0:D9D4:EACA:4221:4590 (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support Article is short, but what is there is of sufficient quality to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Joe Lieberman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3] New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Keeves (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Red 05 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- United States senator from Connecticut from 1989 to 2013. Nominee for vice president of the United States in the 2000 U.S. presidential election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keeves (talk • contribs) 22:00, 2024 March 27 (UTC)
- Support. One section is tagged as relying on sources too close to the subject, but that is hardly the same as being unsourced. BD2412 T 22:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive, B-Class article of an extremely notable figure. Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Extremely notable figure in U.S. Politics. Article is of high enough quality as it is now for inclusion. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Personal life section has several citation needed tags. Natg 19 (talk) 22:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Found sources for all outstanding citation needed tags in that section! Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely a notable figure in American politics; article is not perfect but sufficiently ready for RD. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was considering posting this however, there is an orange tag in the DHS section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: I have addressed the orange tag in the DHS section and added diversified sources (NYT, Bloomberg). Assuming no other issues, I think article is ready for RD. Cheers, FlipandFlopped ツ 02:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Flipandflopped There are a number of referencing gaps that I have tagged in the article. Having edited the page, alas I am now WP:INVOLVED, so I can't post the article once it has been improved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: I have addressed the orange tag in the DHS section and added diversified sources (NYT, Bloomberg). Assuming no other issues, I think article is ready for RD. Cheers, FlipandFlopped ツ 02:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Too many dead refs. Just randomly wanted to check some refs. 2 of the first 3 refs are completely dead. I haven't checked the rest. Hard to determine the quality of the article when its statements can't be verified. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Blurb/RD: Daniel Kahneman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg, Washington Post, The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Nobel Prize winning author, psychologist and economist. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Almost there: very few statements lack a citation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- rather than discussing blurb or not, could we please have citations for at least two facts missing one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Gerda. You might want to add some tags to direct effort. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, Martin, I hate tags. I saw two things:
- "They would continue to publish together until the end of Tversky's life, but the period when Kahneman published almost exclusively with Tversky ended in 1983, when he published two papers with Anne Treisman, his wife since 1978."
- Both paragraphs under "Focusing illusion" end without citation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I also saw the first and thought it would be self-evident from his list of publications. Maybe not. Those other paragraphs are worth a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- So I repositioned the citations for "Focusing illusion" (although primary). Alas, the article has only a list of his books, not a full list of all his publications (I'm assuming that might be quite extensive). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, Martin, I hate tags. I saw two things:
- Thanks, Gerda. You might want to add some tags to direct effort. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- rather than discussing blurb or not, could we please have citations for at least two facts missing one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb when ready. Ktin (talk) 18:38, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- If this is to be blurbed, there should be a clear section besides a few lines in the lede to explain why he was important though impact and or legacy. Just being awarded including a Nobel isn't sufficient for a blurb. Masem (t) 19:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- If only we were to apply the same standard (last sentence) to the PM of Ruritania. Nfitz (talk) 22:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- If this is to be blurbed, there should be a clear section besides a few lines in the lede to explain why he was important though impact and or legacy. Just being awarded including a Nobel isn't sufficient for a blurb. Masem (t) 19:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, Oppose blurb I remember reading his work in school, especially his collaborations with Amos Tversky. That does not rise to the super-high level we need for a blurb. I think quality is sufficient for RD now, the few statements lacking citation don't need to hold this article up long. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:14, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD He was 90 and died in Parts Unknown from nothing of note. "Variants of utility" doesn't quite ring true to me, but it's footnoted and probably written for someone else. The two chunks in "Focusing illusion" could easily be deleted if backing them up with a reliable source or two proves difficult. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Old man dies. Noah, AATalk 01:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- In all seriousness, it doesnt rise to the level of significance for a blurb. Noah, AATalk 02:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I find statements like
Old man dies
when used as a comment in a discussion like this, to be extremely disrespectful. Ktin (talk) 02:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)- When someone suggests a blurb that would relay exactly how old a man was when he died, it seems only fair to doubt the significance of that central fact. There's really nothing else to oppose. The age at death is the news item in question. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, the blurb is the summary of the news item which is the death of the person. Age is additional information. Ktin (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, that's why it's in all the headlines provided above and why no such prior blurb has added a place or cause. I hope the small print means you're kidding. If not, maybe propose an ageless blurb that rather focuses on how the field of behavioural economics has been affected by the loss of its bedrock (or something RD can't say). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Small font because this conversation is irrelevant. Clearly you can think of a blurb which doesn’t include age. Go figure. Ktin (talk) 06:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, that's why it's in all the headlines provided above and why no such prior blurb has added a place or cause. I hope the small print means you're kidding. If not, maybe propose an ageless blurb that rather focuses on how the field of behavioural economics has been affected by the loss of its bedrock (or something RD can't say). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- There was a recent blurb that was about an old man dying. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- No, the blurb is the summary of the news item which is the death of the person. Age is additional information. Ktin (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- When someone suggests a blurb that would relay exactly how old a man was when he died, it seems only fair to doubt the significance of that central fact. There's really nothing else to oppose. The age at death is the news item in question. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The current criteria for blurbing deaths allows for major figures in any domain. The question to ask is -- as someone who served as the bedrock of behavioral economics as a field of study, was Kahneman a major figure in this area. My thinking is yes. Ktin (talk) 02:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Certainly at the top of his field, one of the most influential economists of his time, and Nobel laureate. Also somewhat of a household name due to his bestselling book Thinking, Fast and Slow which encompasses much of his research. Davey2116 (talk) 03:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, a blurb on this would be an embarrassment to the Main Page. The nominator should refrain from making blurb suggestions going forward. Abductive (reasoning) 07:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not my suggestion. I'd say it was borderline. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Great thinker and theorist, but not really for a blurb. I included insights from the prospect theory in my master thesis some ten years ago, and the true brain who delivered that theory was Amos Tversky. Not to belittle Kahneman's work, but he came up with ideas regarding cognitive biases that Tversky managed to mathematicise and bring to the general audience. Moreover, his contributions to behavioural economics are not seminal enough as John Forbes Nash Jr's contributions to game theory (in fact, the cornerstone in behavioural economics that most other theories descend from is the bounded rationality, and the real equivalent to Nash in behavioural economics would be Herbert A. Simon). There are also other psychologists who independently developed mainstream theories with wide applications to economics, such as Gerd Gigerenzer with his work on heuristics, so Kahneman's work isn't really a starting point for anyone working in the field. That being said, the statements that he was on top of economics as a field are quite wide off the mark.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Richard Serra
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American sculptor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. A solid B-class article on a major figure. The "Collections" and "Awards" sections have an improperly formatted citation that goes to a dead PDF, and it's not clear why some of the images of his work are fair use while others are not (perhaps that just reflects different freedom of panorama rules for sculptures in different countries), but I do not see these as blocking issues. Sdkb talk 21:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Sdkb. FlipandFlopped ツ 01:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Swami Smaranananda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Hindu Monk.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse
Blurb: The Francis Scott Key Bridge collapses (bridge pictured) after it is hit by a container ship at Baltimore, Maryland. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Francis Scott Key Bridge (pictured) collapses after it is hit by a container ship at Baltimore, Maryland.
News source(s): BBC News Online
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- Created by HAL333 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Queen of Hearts (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Major US bridge collapse. Potential for a high number of casualties. Mjroots (talk) 08:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait unlikely to not be a mass casualty event, but article is too short at the moment and information is lacking. Juxlos (talk) 08:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support absolutely. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 08:14, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Breaking news. The target article is disputed so ITN can help with navigation. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I closed the merge proposal as it was getting no support. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability; article needs to be fleshed out. QueenofHearts 08:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Alt1 is good, but needs work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Alt1 since it links to the reasonably developed article on the bridge itself. The collapse article is under construction. Abductive (reasoning) 08:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wait – Both articles are in rough shape and the situation is still developing. SounderBruce 08:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support once it's ready. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No fatalities have been reported so far. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Human lives are not the price demanded by an ITN.--Jasper Deng (talk)
- There is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS threshold. Mjroots (talk) 10:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- ITN should not depend on fatalities. It should depend on how widely covered it is. Also, a disaster can be a disaster without fatalities. For example, ITN posted the Norfolk Southern train derailment back in February 23, 2023. No one died in that event. Djprasadian (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Human lives are not the price demanded by an ITN.--Jasper Deng (talk)
Oppose. Thankfully no deaths, so doesn't rise to the bar of an ITN entry for a disaster. — Amakuru (talk) 09:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)- Moving to support per below. I guess the infrastructure angle is interesting and newsworthy too. — Amakuru (talk) 09:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning support - but it is certainly instructive to see how people vote and argue on this topic, compared to similar cases elsewhere in the world. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- ITN has posted several bridges elsewhere such as India and Turkey in 2022. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I know, and while I'd rather not see this feed run entirely on precedents, those are relevant points in favour of posting. But there is nonetheless a persistent strain of argument from various quarters that diminishes mass casualty events outside Europe and North America. In this case, all I'm arguing for is modest caution. This is a developing story, and it's likely to be posted for good reason. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- One of those had 100 deaths and the other was the world's longest suspension bridge. No opinion on this nom, but those aren't good comparisons. AryKun (talk) 10:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might equally say that one was just a footbridge and the other had no deaths. The best comparison is with the current bottom blurb which would be replaced by this one. That's the Portuguese election which was over two weeks ago and so is longer in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't care if it was a cartoon log over a canyon that collapsed if the number of deaths was 135 in this instance. Great job entering a discussion where people are talking about arguments that diminish "mass casualty events outside Europe and North America" and doing exactly that. AryKun (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- For the talk page analysis, there's a table of noms. This currently lists 10 disasters/natural disasters. Six of these were in South Asia but none at all in Europe or the US. So, this is the first US one that we've had for a while. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- South Asia has roughly six times the US's population and way more creaky infrastructure, it obviously has more mass casualty events. Just because American newspapers tend to feature American and non-American events as their headline about the same number of times doesn't mean that the US is magically as important as the rest of the world combined. My comment above was specifically about your "just a footbridge" comment; if 135 people died in the Anglosphere because they sank into the sidewalk, you wouldn't be making the same flippant remarks. AryKun (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- For the talk page analysis, there's a table of noms. This currently lists 10 disasters/natural disasters. Six of these were in South Asia but none at all in Europe or the US. So, this is the first US one that we've had for a while. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't care if it was a cartoon log over a canyon that collapsed if the number of deaths was 135 in this instance. Great job entering a discussion where people are talking about arguments that diminish "mass casualty events outside Europe and North America" and doing exactly that. AryKun (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You might equally say that one was just a footbridge and the other had no deaths. The best comparison is with the current bottom blurb which would be replaced by this one. That's the Portuguese election which was over two weeks ago and so is longer in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Significant destruction of a major engineering structure with international coverage. Alt1 preferred but either are ok. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- this is awful. Likely 20 people have fallen in the water and at this point they have likely died of hypothermia. It's horrible. --RockstoneSend me a message! 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - major story which has been given a dedicated live feed on BBC, and with 20+ people missing it's just as presumptuous for us to assume there are no deaths as it is for us to assume there are. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 10:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- And yet when twenty people are confirmed dead in a transportation accident in the Global South, the usual suspects turn up here with tired arguments about 'bus plunges'. I'm leaning more and more in favour of this story being posted - but let's not kid ourselves that ITN !voters treat all such cases fairly. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- That's to miss the key thing being noted, which is how atypical such an event is. When striving to take efforts to avoid being tunnel-visioned, one would notice (for instance) that a mass shooting event rarely makes ITN... If it occurred in the United States. However, mass shootings elsewhere on the globe very readily get posted, because they are unusual for those countries. So to prescribe one effect as purely one form of bias is to ignore the reality of the broader picture. Nottheking (talk) 10:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. It's certainly not my intention to claim this is a universal problem with a single right solution. I would just like to see some fairness. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- That's to miss the key thing being noted, which is how atypical such an event is. When striving to take efforts to avoid being tunnel-visioned, one would notice (for instance) that a mass shooting event rarely makes ITN... If it occurred in the United States. However, mass shootings elsewhere on the globe very readily get posted, because they are unusual for those countries. So to prescribe one effect as purely one form of bias is to ignore the reality of the broader picture. Nottheking (talk) 10:32, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- And yet when twenty people are confirmed dead in a transportation accident in the Global South, the usual suspects turn up here with tired arguments about 'bus plunges'. I'm leaning more and more in favour of this story being posted - but let's not kid ourselves that ITN !voters treat all such cases fairly. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is definitely a very unusual disaster of high encyclopedic value which sends a clear message that the infrastructure built in the 1970s may not be sufficient to accommodate the current transport needs carried on the modern watercraft.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support: it is now clear that this is a major event, and the article is good enough to stand on the front page given the high value of putting the event there. UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:23, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is only going to improve and this is very clearly ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:36, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. A major and unusual infrastructure disaster, the artticle is in good enough shape already. Nsk92 (talk) 11:49, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major piece of infrastructure involved, completely destroyed, and making world headlines. 108.7.44.20 (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Highly unusual event that is receiving widespread global news coverage. FlipandFlopped ツ 12:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to the extreme abnormality of this event. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Abnormal, outstanding event. Article is good. -Bedivere (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Good job on the article, and the international press coverage shows there may be an effect on commerce. Kablammo (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not only is the impact on shipping and traffic notable, the media seems to be taking this by storm. Gøøse060 (talk) 14:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per above, Event is notable despite lack of major casualties, Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major infrastructure collapse. Biggest headline on CNN and BBC. Djprasadian (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support fucking crazy shit Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 14:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Alt 1. Courcelles (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just found out Commons is firewalled at my location's network, so any sysop please feel free to copy over the image, protect, and change to the bridge. Thanks.
- Courcelles (talk) 14:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- You beat me to posting. I've added two bridge images to the protection page. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not opposing the posting, but MUST comment on the international coverage. I'm in Australia. Our media LOVES content from the USA, and LOVES dramatic imagery. This was a certainty to get coverage in Australia's news. That doesn't make it more important than a less dramatic and more deadly event, of which we have no pics, in a third world country. HiLo48 (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia can only report on what it is given. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia must always be vigilant to not allow its systemic biases to get in the way of balanced reporting. HiLo48 (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia can only report on what it is given. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Can an admin change the image on the mainpage to ? It illustrates the disaster better. Bremps... 23:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Add it to the image protection queue (see navbox at top of page) and give a bot about an hour to apply protection. Masem (t) 23:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can't; I don't have enough permissions to edit that page.
- Or was that an instruction to an admin? Bremps... 23:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I forgot that the image prot. page is admin protected, and couldn't easily edit it from my phone. The image has since been added and protected, and I have swapped the photo. — Masem (t) 04:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Add it to the image protection queue (see navbox at top of page) and give a bot about an hour to apply protection. Masem (t) 23:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Post-posting support per above. Six people are presumed dead in this bridge collapse. Davey2116 (talk) 04:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Question: should the (presumed) 6 fatalities now be added to the blurb? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think it should be added. Jbvann05 19:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Also, this could be asked at WP:ERRORS for a faster response. Natg 19 (talk) 05:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's best asked here, it's already been removed from Errors as it's a change to an existing blurb. I personally don't see the need to mention deaths as that number is not something that would normally drive a posting. Stephen 05:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Stephen. In the big scheme of things, the fatalities are not what makes this event notable. Therefore, it's not necessary to expand the blurb for this. Schwede66 07:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Also, this could be asked at WP:ERRORS for a faster response. Natg 19 (talk) 05:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Question: should the (presumed) 6 fatalities now be added to the blurb? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Diana Wall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colorado State University News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Scientist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Günther Leib
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gotha
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Internationally performing baritone, whose death (on 3 March) was entered here only yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support everything looks well sourced and ready to go. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Senegalese presidential election
Blurb: Bassirou Diomaye Faye is elected President of Senegal. (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Rival candidates have conceded defeat meaning Faye has won BastianMAT (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I just saw this on NDR's Tagesschau. ITN/R, so if the article is in decent condition, this should go ahead. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:20, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Massive feat in Senegalese history. Jebiguess (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be fully sourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good and sourced. Terminator46man (talk) 17:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems well-written and well-sourced, marking as Ready. The Kip 18:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Update The associated picture does not reflect the image of the elected President Heatrave (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pull. Still very limited results in the article (.3% reporting) and the article states the results are not finalized yet. I believe this posting was a tad premature. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Results aren't finalized, but the opposition has conceded defeat and the election is widely reported as a Faye victory. DecafPotato (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Very few of the articles I've read state that he's won, more that he's "projected to", "likely to" or is "expected to" win. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Results aren't finalized, but the opposition has conceded defeat and the election is widely reported as a Faye victory. DecafPotato (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again: The opposition has conceded, as has been widely reported in reliable sources. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Projected to" is generally the bar we use or, more specifically, the fact that reliable sources are calling it. In the US presidential election of 2020, the opposition rather notably did not concede the election, but we still posted once reliable sources projected the win for the Democratic candidate. — Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I'm not arguing that we should only post when the opposition concedes. But when it comes to assessing reliable sources for who has won the election, the defeated party saying they're defeated is pretty significant. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Projected to" is generally the bar we use or, more specifically, the fact that reliable sources are calling it. In the US presidential election of 2020, the opposition rather notably did not concede the election, but we still posted once reliable sources projected the win for the Democratic candidate. — Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again: The opposition has conceded, as has been widely reported in reliable sources. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- What exactly is going on? Conceding an election with .3% reporting is bizarre. Is there any more context we can give in the blurb? Bremps... 17:09, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Incumbent APR party was extremely unpopular due to some pretty blatant corruption, and opposition candidate Faye had some big endorsements, so it was already expected that he was going to win by a landslide. Election was free and fair keeping up with Senegal's strong democratic traditions, nothing unusual here. Curbon7 (talk) 06:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) UNSC ceasefire resolution
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Blurb: The United Nations Security Council passes a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire in the Gaza Strip. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United Nations Security Council passes a resolution calling for an immediate two-week ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war and the immediate unconditional release of all hostages.
News source(s): NPR Aljazeera CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Personisinsterest (talk · give credit)
- Created by Encyloedit (talk · give credit)
- Comment would rather wait to see if both sides actually abide by this. The UNSC can call for a ceasefire but that's got little enforcement weight behind it. -Masem (t) 16:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it is unlikely for it to actually happen, but support if it does happen Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We already have an entry for Gaza in Ongoing and there have been repeated hostage and ceasefire proposals before. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As far as I can tell, this resolution won't necessarily have any real effects for getting a ceasefire. Of course, if a ceasefire actually happens, then that would be notable enough. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as covered by ongoing. The Kip 18:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Covered by Ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Imogen Stuart
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/03/25/prolific-irish-german-sculptor-imogen-stuart-dies-aged-96/
Credits:
- Nominated by Ceoil (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Notable German–Irish sculptor who died aged 96 leaving behind a significant body of work. Page as is is cited, but does need some more expansion which am still working on...will take a day or two. Ceoil (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article is well-cited and looks ready to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The article has three citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 15:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks...resolved now. Ceoil (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I see no issues remaining. Flibirigit (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
March 24
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RD: Judith Hemmendinger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): inn
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Yoninah (talk · give credit)
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Centenarian psychologist who helped children survivors of the Holocaust. Found article in fine shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Takerufuji Mikiya
Blurb: Takerufuji Mikiya becomes the first sumo wrestler in 110 years to win a championship in the sport's highest division during his first tournament at that level. (Post)
News source(s): 1, 2, 3 (in English) 4, 5 (in Japanese)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by OtharLuin (talk · give credit)
Rare feat in an ancient sport like sumo, although the tournament was won on March 24. Potentially complicated but at least worth discussing. OtharLuin (talk) 10:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Unfortunately not ITN/R and not really that notable to be ITN-material. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Whilst a notable achievement, this doesn't really stand out overall. Our usual ITN story for sumo is the promotion of a new yokozuna. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not being ITN/R is a plus as that means it's not routine. And it seems to be a once-in-a-century record. It's also a non-Anglo sport which provides some diversity. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on notability as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivia. Just because something is rare doesn't mean it is important. If he rises to the top of sumo (by becoming yokozuna) then we'll post that. One tournament along the way isn't suitable. Modest Genius talk 12:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Once-in-a-century achievement, and a good quality article. Would make a refreshing change to highlight something like this at ITN. That there is an ITN/R entry for sumo doesn't preclude us from posting something different once in a while. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. This is a rare achievement, but he hasn't become the top of sumo yet. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support The oppose votes here seem very circular and gatekeep-y to me. We should not post this to ITN as this is not the kind of thing we post at ITN. In what way does this not meet our purpose? A recent event, getting wide coverage in the media, leading to a substantial, quality update to the encyclopedia. Let me put it this way: would posting this story help or hurt the project? It's a no-brainer. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:10, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the essence of this story is an athlete happening to win a major championship the first time they participated in that. That sounds like a happenstance and does not reflect on a career-spanning achievement, which would be a better story for ITN' s purpose. Masem (t) 16:26, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most people are destined to die, yet their death is recorded in ITN. I honestly don't see why achieving a feat that hasn't been seen for a century should be disqualifying just because an athlete is doing his job... and on the subject of "career-spanning achievement", I think that, on the contrary, people now remember Takeruufuji precisely because he achieved this performance. - OtharLuin (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Their death is recorded on ITN at the bottom of template in a smaller subsection with a bunch of other names, not at the big list of news that prominently sticks out and you read first, where the target article is bolded and highlighted in an entire sentence amongst the other news. Comparing this blurb nomination to an RD is not right. 2001:4651:F168:0:F55B:64A8:3A9C:A50A (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most people are destined to die, yet their death is recorded in ITN. I honestly don't see why achieving a feat that hasn't been seen for a century should be disqualifying just because an athlete is doing his job... and on the subject of "career-spanning achievement", I think that, on the contrary, people now remember Takeruufuji precisely because he achieved this performance. - OtharLuin (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivia. nableezy - 16:32, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
Kuriga kidnapping
Blurb: Nearly three-hundred abducted students are released after the kidnapping in Kuriga, Nigeria on March 7th. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nearly three-hundred students are released after being kidnapped in the Kuriga kidnapping in Nigeria.
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
- Created by Gwanki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gwanki (talk · give credit) and DementiaGaming (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Bremps... 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The initial kidnapping apparently flew under the radar, but the release is probably also ITN-worthy. A BBC piece (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-68649221) states that the army contested the number of students released (137 instead of 280), but I cannot find this information elsewhere. Bremps... 23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Would also appreciate an altblurb because I apparently suck at writing these things Bremps... 23:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to the scale of the event being larger than many of the previous kidnappings in the Nigerian bandit conflict. Oppose on quality due to the article being a stub, and having multiple statements in the infobox unsupported elsewhere. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: George Abbey (NASA)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://nasawatch.com/personnel-news/george-abbey
Credits:
- Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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A list of sources is provided. Help is needed to place more citations inline. Flibirigit (talk) 22:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment shouldn't this be George Abbey (engineer)? Bit weird to have a disambiguation after an employer, even if it's a notable one. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment sad to see that he just died. Will get to sourcing work after I complete some schoolwork. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Péter Eötvös
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Magyar Nemzet
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:54D8:C475:B710:FFE (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MONTENSEM (talk · give credit), Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Amitchell125 (talk · give credit)
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Hungarian composer, conductor and teacher. 240F:7A:6253:1:54D8:C475:B710:FFE (talk) 08:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- It needs much more updating, especially inline citations. Will look later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, quite a lot of unsourced content. Suonii180 (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I said the same just above, please help or wait instead. I can't help an IP nominating before anything is close to being ready. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Suonii180 and others, please look again now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- The works section still has a maintenance tag and the majority of the list is still unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Suonii180, the works are sourced to the publishers, mainly Schott, on top of the section. The maintenance says that one user thinks the list is too detailed. You others: do you think the same? Then I'll split it off. (I did that once before, only to have someone else bring the works back after a while). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The (sourced) works are now - thanks to Amitchell125 - in a separate article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- The works section still has a maintenance tag and the majority of the list is still unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) McDonald's closed in Sri Lanka
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Blurb: McDonald's outlets in Sri Lanka have been closed down due to the poor quality supply of food items and unhygienic food items in Sri Lanka and Abans is removed as franchisee of McDonald’s. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Minor business news, which we normally don't post. --Masem (t) 02:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above --- RockinJack18 02:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Also ITN requires a dedicated article. Natg 19 (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not true, it requires (outside of RDs) a significant update to an article. Whether thats a new one or an existing one, it just must be significant. — Masem (t) 03:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close per above. Far too minor for ITN. The Kip 05:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Heatrave (talk) 06:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Amaechi Muonagor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC PidginPunchNG
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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(Closed) RD: Brigitte García
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Microplastic Consumer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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- Comment is she even notable? This seems like a case of WP:1E to me, as she wasn't notable whilst alive (mayor of a town of 10,000 people doesn't make someone notable), but all the coverage is of her death. Seems like this article should probably be at Killing of Brigitte García as it's focused on the event and not the biography. Either way, most of the biographical details like date of birth are unsourced, and the article is too short to be considered as meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 11:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment have started an AFD on this. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:14, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Simon Harris (politician) in the 2024 Fine Gael leadership election
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Blurb: Simon Harris will become Ireland's youngest taoiseach following the resignation of Leo Varadkar after running unopposed in the election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Simon Harris succeeds Leo Varadkar as Ireland's youngest taoiseach after winning in the 2024 Fine Gael election.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Wait until he formally becomes the Taoiseach. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wait per Gödel2200. I've also added an altblurb to more accurately reflect when the time comes around. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Looks like the change in power will not occur until April 9, so wait until then. Natg 19 (talk) 16:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not sure if the altblurb works. Leo V. is not currently the youngest taoiseach. Perhaps omit Leo V. from the blurb? --PFHLai (talk) 18:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unless I am mistaken LV was the youngest taoiseach when he gained the office, so it works, but the main blurb is better. Black Kite (talk) 18:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support main blurb, altblurb is a bit clumsy. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hold until Harris becomes PM This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until he becomes Taoiseach, as per Gödel2200. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wait. Even though it's likely he will become the Taoiseach, it still has to go to a vote of the Dáil Éireann and then be appointed by the President. Only then should it be ITN Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
March 23
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RD: Eli Noyes
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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U.S. stop motion animator. gobonobo + c 09:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shahryar Khan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN Cricinfo
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit), Omotecho (talk · give credit), Razzsic (talk · give credit) and XMalia (talk · give credit)
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Diplomat and former chairman of PCB. Ktin (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be of good quality. -- Fahads1982talk/contrib 20:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Close; a couple CN tags remain. SpencerT•C 05:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Maurizio Pollini
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MONTENSEM (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Notable pianist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- added MONTENSEM and myself to updaters, will look again later - needs more work --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- one step further: now everything is sourced. There should be still more (recordings, reviews), but the next giant died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP a great pianist. Davey2116 (talk) 04:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – robertsky (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Peter Angelos
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Needs work. Will be worked on. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC) Should be fine now? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support All statements have been sourced. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Weak Oppose due to two unsourced statements in the infobox, but besides for that, the article looks good. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC) - Support, everything looks sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Laurent de Brunhoff
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, WaPo, People
Credits:
- Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Author of the Babar the Elephant series since 1941. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Bibliography needs refs or ISBNs. SpencerT•C 07:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
March 22
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RD: Partha Sarathi Deb
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, NDTV
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
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Veteran Bengali actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:A148:57EA:9AF:7A84 (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- This stubby new wikibio currently has only 188 words of prose. Please expand it to start class and add more REFs as required. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Catherine Princess of Wales announces cancer diagnosis
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Blurb: Catherine, Princess of Wales, announces a diagnosis of cancer. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/uk/kate-princess-of-wales-cancer-diagnosis-intl-gbr/index.html
Credits:
- Nominated by Urbanracer34 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Barring a terminal condition, this is not the type of news we feature at ITN. Further, there's been issues with BLP around how we've covered her disappearance and that's something that needs to be cleaned up before we'd even feature her article on the main page — Masem (t) 00:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia does not cover celebrity news, and certainly not simple medical diagnosis. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The announcement of a medical condition is not ITN level news. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:54, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We didn't do it for Charles (same nom) and we shouldn't do it for Kate. Brycehughes (talk) 01:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- support sorry but i think this was closed prematurely after only 4 votes. this page is supposed to represent what's in the news, and her cancer story is number 1 news everywhere. not just on lower class news outlets like TMZ and such but on nyt and wapo and wsj as well, and on all 3 it's the most read piece of news even above that russian terrorist attack. Kasperquickly (talk) 08:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Wikipedia is not a celebrity news site. A royal announcing they have an illness is absolutely not the level of international importance to warrant ITN. AusLondonder (talk) 08:34, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Crocus City Hall attack
Blurb: A mass shooting and explosions kill more than 40 people at the Crocus City Hall (pictured in 2013) in Krasnogorsk, Russia. (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Created by Astral.Pirate25 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit), Significa liberdade (talk · give credit), JayCubby (talk · give credit), QuillQuasar (talk · give credit) and Staraction (talk · give credit)
Developing situation - article likely needs more work as events unfold. Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:40, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Maybe mention ISIS in the blurb as they have just claimed responsibility Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
@Gödel2200: I've removed your nom, as Staraction was slightly faster in nominating. Natg 19 (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability due to the scale of the event, though the article will need a lot of work before posting. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, although, yeah, it'll need improvement. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- nb. over 130 people were injured, not killed. article says over 40 were killed. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- corrected - thank you! Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:07, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- nb. over 130 people were injured, not killed. article says over 40 were killed. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 18:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability as per above. 209.147.23.77 (talk) 19:01, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle. A terrorist attack with such a death toll is certainly notable. However, there are very little details in reliable sources, so it may take some time until the article is expanded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability though the correct death toll (at least from articles I've seen on the topic) is 40 not 140, though this is still breaking news and English-language info on the subject is still sparse so we can reasonably expect figures to fluctuate for a little while as more news comes out. Horribly shocking tragedy no matter what figure is correct. As for quality, the article is being developed rapidly and changes every time I refresh. Last I checked it didn't look like it was missing any sources, but it's still stubby due to the limited info available at this time. Support posting once expanded. Vanilla Wizard 💙 19:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability There are several people working on this currently, so I have no doubt that it'll be as current as sources allow and should be ready for ITN in time. CommissarDoggoTalk? 19:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support once the article is ready. The Moose 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support once it's ready. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I've boldly added some people I've seen updating the article in the history to the "updaters" section, although I'm sure I've missed some. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 19:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very notable, the high death toll and the rarity of such an event occurring in Russia definitely makes this ITN-worthy once ready. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - should blurb reference Krasnogorsk, Moscow Oblast, Moscow, or some combination of the three? Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:53, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say something like
at the Crocus City Hall in Krasnogorsk, a city outside Moscow
or justat the Crocus City Hall near Moscow
. queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:09, 22 March 2024 (UTC)- I've opted for the latter - thank you !! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:10, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Krasnogorsk, Russia. If this happened in the US or UK, we'd say in Gaithersburg, United States or in Watford, United Kingdom, never just "near Washington" or "near London". If someone wants to know where in Russia that is, that's what we have an encyclopedia for. —Cryptic 20:41, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- changed as such, thank you! Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:45, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Both Watford and Gaithersburg are administratively separate from those cities (Watford being part of Hertfordshire County, not London region; Gaithersburg in Maryland, not the District of Columbia). In contrast, Krasnogorsk is a part of Moscow Oblast, and as per COMMONNAME an overwhelming amount of sources describe the attack as taking place in Moscow, best to reflect it as such (important to show that this didn't happen in an unremarkable town in the vastness of Russia but right in the heart of the country). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say something like
- Support, needs a little more work but overall very good. Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [T/C] 20:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose using image until public domain / CC images of the actual incident are available Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- +1 queen of 🖤 (they/them; chat) 20:46, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is very unlikely that we can get PD images of the event as it happens, and further being in Russia. We never require free images of events in progress, though if we can, hey great. However, we can use a PD image of the city hall from 2013 as I've added. — Masem (t) 22:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 21:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephen Could you update the death tool and image? Prodrummer619 (talk) 20:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Ron Harper (actor)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Needs Expansion.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:23, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Only 262 words of prose, much of it unsourced. The intro has only a single sentence. The Television series section is a just list of bullet-points with no sources. Please expand this wikibio and add more REFs. Time is running out for this nom, though. --PFHLai (talk) 00:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Markus Jooste
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and BoonDock (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Looks to be in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems to be of good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks in good shape to me. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment A majority of the article appears to be about the legal issues surrounding Steinhoff International, which probably belongs in that article rather than this one. Black Kite (talk) 09:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
RD: Frédéric Mitterrand
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Needs a little bit of work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- This nom does not seem to be ready for RD yet. The Biography section has 2 {cn} tags. The Filmography and the Publications sections need more referencing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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