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What nature is, then, and the meaning of the terms 'by nature' and 'according to nature', has been stated. That nature exists, it would be absurd to try to prove; for it is obvious that there are many things of this kind, and to prove what is obvious by what is not is the mark of a man who is unable to distinguish what is self-evident from what is not. (This state of mind is clearly possible. A man blind from birth might reason about colours.) Presumably therefore such persons must be talking about words without any thought to correspond.

--Aristotle's Physics Book 2, chapter 1

Nothing is so remote from us as the thing which is not old enough to be history and not new enough to be news.
--G. K. Chesterton, The End of the Armistice

I would also clarify that there is a small minority of educated English speakers, mostly linguists, who do not think that "unnatural" rules of correctness should be imposed on a language, and some of these people have commented above.
However, this is a very small minority, and if you want to appear to be correct when communicating with English speakers who are not linguists, you should ignore the linguists.
--User:Marco polo, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Dzungarian Gate

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Geography of New Caledonia

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Shetani

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Miami cannibal attack

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

ITN credit

--Jayron32 03:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
	I love your montages. They are very beautiful. I could look at them all day. Thank you! HoopoeBaijiKite 19:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate that. I did work hard on trying to get them not only to be biologically broad-based but also attractive. Your encouragement makes me want to create some more. μηδείς (talk) 20:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

ITN Credit

--Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 23:29, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring for beginners.

It takes two, baby. And you revert me every single time I change your image. That is why your image always wins, because I don't edit war. You always win by default because I don't push the rules and you do. So now you accuse me of edit warring? Oh my god that is beautiful! At any rate, please go to your RfC and demonstrate where the consensus you claim comes from. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:33, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

• I invite you to demonstrate how your image is the consensus image here. Given that you repeatedly revert me because you claim that you have consensus I feel you should have to demonstrate that fact rather than simply assert it. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I have a bad case of the flu. I 'll respond as soon as I feel up to it. μηδείς (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Then rest up and get well. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Miami Zombie

Hi, I have nominated Miami Zombie for a DYK listing with you and those editors who have contributed 1000 bytes or more listed as authors. See Template:Did you know nominations/2012 Miami cannibalism incident if you want to make any changes. μηδείς (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

That's great news! Thanks! Thanks for nominating it ... and also for making me aware of the nomination. So, exactly how do we know if/when it will be approved or accepted to appear in the DYK? Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:23, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Of course. This has been a rather pleasant and productive collaboration all around. Look here for comments and updates on the nomination. DYK seems backed up. Nominations used to clear within about a week. You can help the process by reading other nominations and helping with the review process. You can't review a nomination in which you are named, of course. μηδείς (talk) 03:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the info. I have never been involved with the DYK process before, so I did not know any of this information. Thank you! Also, thanks for all the work you have been doing on the "Miami Cannibal" article. Great job! Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I see that this entry appeared on the "DYK" for today (June 15). Congrats on your efforts to get it posted at DYK! Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

If only that gentleman hadn't changed the name of the article in the middle of its posting (and I not messed up changing it back) the number of hits would have been posted and we could easily have nominated it for the number of views. That can still be done, but it will take some hard work. I will follow up on it. μηδείς (talk) 23:03, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! (Re: Garden hose)

Thank you for your support. 173.28.244.122 (talk) 03:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

A little question...

I noticed there was a discussion on the renaming of the article on poison ivy on Talk:Toxicodendron radicans. I was thinking if I could rename Poison sumac as Toxicodendron vernix. Should I do that? And there should be a proposal to rename all organism articles to their scientific name? Fairly OddParents Freak (Fairlyoddparents1234) 21:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I would personally oppose it as violating WP:COMMONNAME. If your purpose is to make a point, see WP:POINTY. I wouldn't do it unless you argue for it in good faith and get consensus for it on the talk page. μηδείς (talk) 21:51, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

A belated response

Please accept my apology for taking so long to respond at User talk: Peter M. Brown#reptiles. I somehow failed to notice your addition there. I have now responded. Incidentally, your recent reversion to the Mammal article was most welcome. Peter M. Brown (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem, thanks. I found the situation on mammals most annoying. The edits were obviously good faith. The IP geolocated to Brazil. Perhaps there was a language issue. μηδείς (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Incidents of zombie-like behavior in 2012

An article that you have been involved in editing, Incidents of zombie-like behavior in 2012, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I have replaced the {{merge}} tag you removed from this article, as no consensus has been reached in the discussion. Feel free to continue to contribute to the debate, but please do not remove the tag until a community decision has been made and acted upon. Thanks. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

sorry, that was inadvertent. μηδείς (talk) 12:40, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

No problem; I did wonder if it was a mistake. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Ref Desk - A claim to need replacing the PCM on my PT Cruiser sounds fishy

Note that 70.179.170.114 reposted his question to the miscellaneous desk with the BLP stuff supposedly removed. 203.27.72.5 (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

what is the problem here??????????????????????

Dude, if your comment is "not a response to anyone's", then your use of the outdent template was inept in the extreme, since the purpose of that template is to label a comment as a follow-up to the immediately preceding comment, but at a different indentation level. Whatever your comment is, it's not a response to mine, and I refuse to let it be positioned where it appears to be a response to mine -- under the general privilege that people are allowed to move comments in discussions in order to make threading relationships clear. AnonMoos (talk) 08:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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I've made it abundantly clear multiple times that your comment cannot appear after mine unless it is made very obvious that it is not associated with mine (definitely not a reply to it), yet you insist on doing things which will lead to confusion and obscurity on this essential point. I really don't understand what the problem is... AnonMoos (talk) 08:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

images

By the way, it could be considered poor etiquette to have multiple large images on your user talk page. I'm sure they're very pretty, but they've never finished loading for me, so I haven't seen them... AnonMoos (talk) 08:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

combining my 3 user pages

Can you combined or merge my 3 user pages which are User_talk:Buffyfan84, User:Narwhalgal84 and User:Bulkbot84? That would help me alot. Bulkbot84 (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I have created a request for help for you here on the Help Desk. I am sure it can be done, but an administrator there would be likely to know how; I don't. μηδείς (talk) 18:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicholas Roerich

If you're going to restore what still looks suspiciously like a plug to me, could you at least re-format the "reference" to something of utility? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Comments redacted

Just to let you know, I redacted part of your recount of an episode of a TV series featuring the case of Margaret Crotty. As Looie496 and me mentioned, there is no evidence for the claim of what happened to Margaret Crotty appearing anywhere else which would seem surprising if it had appeared in any popular source, like a TV show. So in the absence of evidence the claims actually appeared in the TV show, I don't think these claims should appear anywhere on wikipedia for WP:BLP reasons. If you disagree, please take this to WP:BLP/N but only link to the changes rather then repeating the claims there. BTW, I did not attempt to modify you comment beyond redacting the problematic parts, so part of it may not make so much sense anymore. Feel free to clarify or modify your comment as necessary without repeating the redacted parts. I felt this was better then me trying to modify your comments more. I am purposely not linking to my redactings here to try and reduce the impact, frankly if it hadn't been so long I probably would have asked for a deletion. Nil Einne (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't be a problem, since what I am looking for is the episode. I'll get around to checking the new wording. μηδείς (talk) 16:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Please

It's nothing personal Medeis, and I would much rather be NOT checking your edits. But please, I warned you before about unannounced editing of other people's signed posts, so once again, don't change other people's signed posts. Please do stop now, whether it's a template or your opinion or anything else. You can expect a block in future if you continue. You of course can go to ANI any time you want to ask for review of my actions as an administrator or editor. The policy/guidelines I am basing this on would be WP:TPO and WP:DE. Franamax (talk) 06:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Just to be sure, you understand that this comment of yours in no way refutes or avoids my final warning to you about changing other peoples posts, right? Don't change anything about the lines where the other editor post is, does that make it clearer? Oh, and the other bit where you mentioned using hidden HTML comments - no, that also is you changing another's post, so, same applies. Franamax (talk) 23:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

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NRO Gives NASA Two Hubble-Class Telescopes

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/nro-gives-nasa.html

--Stone (talk) 08:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! μηδείς (talk) 23:12, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please stop moving my post

Please stop moving my post. If you properly fix your indentation, I will voluntarily move it on request, but I request that you stop moving it yourself given how you've failed two times already to move my post without causing no ends of confusion. As it stands, you not only continued to caused confusion for my post by moving my post (my post was an EC with all posts below including your one you moved which my comment made clear before you moved but not after you moved) but cause further confusion for Someguy1221's post by changing you identation without I think notifying Someguy1221 despite the fact it sounded like they were replying to you and idented their post in reply to you which was no longer clear after you modified your post after they replied. Nil Einne (talk)

What are you talking about? μηδείς (talk) 18:38, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry someone moved my post again and changed the indentation level of your post on the RD/H U.S. and serial killers thread. I presumed it was you again, but I guess from your reply it was not. Sorry for any confusion and for my mistaken assumption. Nil Einne (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Or perhaps my original assumption was correct. Either way, I've fixed the problem. I also notified Someguy1221 since you did not. Nil Einne (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

NPA

Please do not attack other editors, as you did to Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Lihaas (talk) 03:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Please be specific, with a diff, because, although I am quite happy to take you in good faith, I have no idea what you are taling about. μηδείς (talk)

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Did you mean to delete my comments from my talk page ?

If so, I'm baffled as to why. StuRat (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheese and effing crackers, how did that happen? I have restored them with my last intended addition. μηδείς (talk) 04:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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My user name is in Latin letters, which represent the Greek letters you see in my signature. Only the second letter, eta, is not the same as the Latin. You see Medeis when you edit. Feel free to refer to me by that name in Latin spelling. The name is well-enough established that I do not, respectfully, intend to change it. μηδείς (talk) 03:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Please indent correctly at the RD

Sometimes wrongly indented answers make it difficult to parse the thread. OsmanRF34 (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

If you don't provide a diff I have no idea what you are talking about. If I did not indent at all, then I was not responding to any of the other responses, which is proper, and what I am guessing you might be referring to--but I am not psychic. μηδείς (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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OK.

I'll just ask if we can get along, and that I do sincerely apologies. --Τασουλα (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. μηδείς (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

*hugs*. --Τασουλα (talk) 00:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Understood ^_^ --Τασουλα (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Reference Desk Response

The question you asked was archived right after I posted with the book name I promised, since I'm not sure if you saw it, here was the answer: "The book I was thinking of is The Structure and Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics by R. I. G. Hughes, if you're feeling a little more mathematically inclined, you might try the first 7 or 8 chapters of Quantum Processes Systems, and Information by Benjamin Schumacher and Michael Westmoreland from Cambridge University Press." Let me know if these aren't what you're looking for and I can see if I can come up with something better- I have around 500-600 textbooks pertaining to quantum stuff, so there's a decent chance one of them will be of use.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 01:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

heh, yes, went to respond there and it had already disappeared into the aether--as you saw at your page I did see it and have read the listing at amazon, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Uh wuh? ("Mission statement arbitrary break 2")

I was too responding to Wnt. Tell you what, we can all be above the break, OK?  Card Zero  (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see that, I won't argue against it. The best solution if you strongly object would be to remove the break. It simply seemed that your "here's a thought" was starting a new...'thought. μηδείς (talk) 22:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

The break would look nice above Wnt's last post, I think, moving our conversation above the break. Wnt can complain about this later.  Card Zero  (talk) 22:12, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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O tempora! O Ref Desk!

Hi, Medeis.

Please don’t quibble when someone says they don’t understand what you write. Please accept that state of affairs at face value, and attempt to explain it using different words. Please don’t raise hypotheticals about them playing any sort of games, unless you have clear evidence that sort of thing is going on.

Nobody is so good with language that all of their utterances are inherently comprehensible. We all sometimes have to have another go. If you have a difficulty with that, well, I’m sorry, but life is tough.

Let me explain my confusion. You did indeed say that the word "o’clock" is generally omitted, as "assumed" and as "understood". But the way you said that was problematical, I think you’d have to agree:

• Half past eight o'clock is standard American usage, although the o'clock is usually omitted as understood.

How do I parse that? That it’s most common to hear people saying “half past eight o’clock”, or just “half past eight”? If the word is usually omitted, how can the full version be standard usage? Maybe I’m a literalist, but when it comes to discussing the precise formulations of exact words, precision in our answers is very desirable. Me, I’m no dummy, but when someone tells me that black is white, or something to that effect, I am confused.

My post stated my opinion that the OP was interested in the use of the word “o’clock” in these expressions of time. You responded by saying it’s “totally normal”. So I figured that was the way to interpret your original remark. That is, if I asked a random American stranger what time it was, I should expect to hear “It’s 20 past 3 o’clock”. This is what I was understanding you to be saying, at this point, despite your earlier statement that the word is usually omitted. In other words, you had clarified your earlier confusing statement.

I alluded to the “totally normal” thing in my post at 3:47. You didn’t respond to it, so I figured that my understanding was now well and truly confirmed.

Then you said “it's rare that you'll ever hear someone say it's half past eight o'clock”. So, I was back to square 1. Hence my request for clarification. I could have gone into all the above on the ref desk itself, but I thought a simple request for clarification would do the trick.

To prove that I am more than willing to give you the time of day, it is now precisely 10:04:37 a.m. AEST. By my watch. Have a nice day. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

But again, I qualified myself each time, saying, for example, it's also rare that one would hear "it's 32 degrees fahrenheit out" rather than "It's 32 out", but that it would in no way sound weird. Having to say the same thing the third time did strike me as odd. In any case, I think keeping this to the relevant ref desk page instead of here is fine. μηδείς (talk) 00:16, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Saying that something "would in no way sound weird" is definitely not the same thing as saying that that something is "standard usage". Not in my lingo, anyway. The former means something that would raise no eyebrows but you wouldn't hear it every day. The latter means something you would hear every day. In my lingo.

Having this meta-discussion on the ref desk would have been totally inappropriate, which is why I brought it here. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:37, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I am not exactly sure what you want me to say. "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously" is a perfectly unobjectionable, grammatically normal sentence that I would never expect to hear. "Half past eight o'clock" is a perfectly unobjectionable sentence that I have heard maybe half a dozen times at most in my life, but at least twice. What more do you want me to say? μηδείς (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Nothing. I just wanted to ask you to respect people's requests for clarification with an acceptance that they're genuinely in need of such clarification. I did that, and followed it up with a detailed explanation of why I was left confused. But you then defended your posts, when my explanation was not an attack on them, merely an explanation of why they didn't work for me. What I would have liked is for you to acknowledge that, no matter what you may have intended in your posts or no matter how well expressed and articulate you may think they were, the inescapable fact is that I was confused by them. No amount of reminding me of what you said in one place or another place changes the fact that the totality of what you had to say did not compute for me. It did not all hang together. That was my experience. Maybe what you can say to round off this little chat, is "Fair enough, Jack, I accept that that was your experience". -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 04:03, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

How are you?

I noted your frustration on the ref desk. I've had at you a couple of times, but I mean you no ill will in general so believe me when I say I am concerned for you wiki well-being, I think you've been making a pretty good effort to keep things straight over there, but it looks like you are getting burnt out a bit. Please don't get too worked up, and don't let it sour you too much. For all the disagreements we are all having, I know you are making an honest effort to do what you feel is best. I know I sometimes get frustrated and take it beyond the walls of wikipedia into the real world. Don't let it get to you, and please believe that we are all trying to do what we think is right, even if it doesn't look like it, and even if it is a pain in the ass. Mingmingla (talk) 03:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Innocence of Muslims

The correct answer to the thread would have been something along the lines of:

No one has publicized a way to view the film, and several journalists have stated their doubts that the film even exists. See [[our article]] as well as [this], [this] and [that] news items that discuss the issue.

I rolled my eyes when I saw the response thread, I really did. It's my reaction to about half of threads to which Stu contributes, actually. But I can't agree with hatting the question. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I haven't hatted it recently, lol. μηδείς (talk) 02:39, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Web Hosting Lyrics

As someone may argue that the following is “legal advice” though it is nothing more than my personal view, I am putting it here, rather than on the Ref Desk. (Of course, by the time I finish typing this, the whole matter may be but a tattered explosion of words, and this too late even for the most fervent interest.) Here's how “fair use” in general is apparently determined, according to the Electronic Frontier Foundation:

“There are no clear-cut rules for deciding what's fair use and there are no "automatic" classes of fair uses. Fair use is decided by a judge, on a case by case basis, after balancing the four factors listed in section 107 of the Copyright statute. The factors to be considered include:

a. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes -- Courts are more likely to find fair use where the use is for noncommercial purposes.

b. The nature of the copyrighted work -- A particular use is more likely to be fair where the copied work is factual rather than creative.

c. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole -- A court will balance this factor toward a finding of fair use where the amount taken is small or insignificant in proportion to the overall work.

d. The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work -- If the court finds the newly created work is not a substitute product for the copyrighted work, it will be more likely to weigh this factor in favor of fair use.”

In respect of lyrics hosting cites, I suspect (but do not know) not being a lawyer of any sort or even a self-selected “expert” on the matter, the following:

(a1) Websites are seldom set up as non-commercial ventures. The goal is usually to sell advertising space. Lyrics may be educational, but the site's purpose is to generate hits for advertising revenue (FAIL)

(b1) As far as I know, song lyrics are always creative, even when describing factual matters (FAIL)

(c1) The whole of a lyric is the whole of a lyric (FAIL)

(d1) If you don't have to buy the product to get the lyrics then it is a substitute for a creative work (FAIL)

I don't think one could argue that sites web-hosting lyrics are fair use, but YMMV. The sites stay up because each copyright holder would have to identify and prove a copyright violation and then apply on an individual basis for specific material to be taken down. It would take much deeper pockets than most artists possess to have any appreciable effect. Bielle (talk) 00:09, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am not looking to argue the matter. I do agree fair use requires at least minimal commentary or "use", so a site that only provided previously published lyrics and ads with no additional editorial content would indeed be suspect. The fact that the websites are commercial in selling advertising does not per se mean they are harming the copyright owner. Yet the whole of the lyric is not the whole of the work, and user guesses at unpublished lyrics do amount to commentary on the work. In any case, your comments are useful--you should have posted them on the thread and collapsed them but left them there for the curious, linking to our policy. μηδείς (talk) 00:15, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

You did say that you thought "a case could be made" for "fair use". I only wrote this up because I don't think that is so. Whether you actually wanted to make that case, or not, I am uncomfortable letting the suggestion just hang there. The whole issue is tangential to the question being asked, and responses may be considered to be legal advice: those are two, good reasons for keeping this off the Ref Desk page. I would rather see your comment come off than my remarks here go on, but that is your choice.

The fact that the site is a commercial one is, in and of itself, a negative factor in determining "fair use"; that's point (a). If the presence of the lyric on the site is also costing the copyright owner, which is point (d), that's just another separate consideration in determining "fair use". Bielle (talk) 00:29, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, again, I suggest you post you first comment here and my first response as a collapsed addition to the proper thread. Arguing about the application of policy is not legal advice--that would only apply if there were some actual court or legal case. (BTW, I don't know how the thread got erased when I tried to submit this comment before--this is the third time that's happened recently on my talk page. In any case, I don't want to discuss it further here. μηδείς (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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What is H-List? And could you post a link to Campbell's message that you describe as "shouted down"? Just for my curiosity's sake, not because it matters much for the article.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

By H-list I meant Histling-l@mailman.rice.edu which you should be able to subscribe to, let me know if you have a problem. You should also be able to access their archives. As for Campbell's call that Greenberg's Amerind forthcoming work should be "shouted down" before it had even been published, see these search results. If you need the exact ref I'll find it. Campbell's call for not posting any historical work that could be associated with Greenberg is in the first or second archive of the Histling list. Nostrtic.net in the English version will have Campbell's criticism. I can also find it exactly for you if necessary. I have studied Greenberg's Amerind and Eurasiatic hypotheses. There are a few flaws in the Eurasiatic hypothesis. Greenberg's notion that Ainu forms a clade with Japanese and Korean is patently absurd, especially given Alexander Vovin's A Reconstruction of Proto-Ainu. Greenberg's Amerind work simply provides good prima facie evidence for Amerind in some sense as a real clade--nowhere near proof, and especially not proof that all' the non-Eskaleut/Na Dene families are Amerind. The problem is that declaring his work has flaws or is incomplete does not amount to a full disproof. My undergraduate work was in biology, and the criticisms of Campbell strike me as the same as Alan Feduccia's attacks on the dinosaur origin of birds theory, back when the Chinese bird pre/proto-bird fossils hadn't yet been found; ad hoc criticisms which start with the premises that the theory is already disproven. I am no expert in an American language, my study except for personally perusing proto-grammars and dictionaries of American languages has been of old-world languages. But I haven't yet come across an "Amerind" language that shows evidence (1) of being more closely related to any family outside the Americas and (2) no evidence whatsoever of at least intimate contact with other than "Amerind" languages. μηδείς (talk) 23:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, for that. Campbell's criticisms are not just a conservative outlook, but a reluctance to jettison the very claim of historical linguistics of being a scientific discipline. Greenberg's classification method is quite simply pseudoscience. Now, pseudoscience sometimes strike on valid conclusions by chance, but it is important not to take that as evidence in support of invalid methodologies and assumptions. I have not found evidence of any "Amerind" language that shows greater affinities with non-"Amerind" languages than with other languages of the Americas. That is in no evidence of genetic relatedness, or even really suggestive of it.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Grenberg's and Ruhlen's responses are all available at Nostratic.net, as are Campbell's, which are in no way exhaustive. If you read them they make it clear that The "Amerindianists" view classification as prior to reconstruction, but not as a replacement for it. The point would be something (in my own words) along the line that based on similarities in pronouns and vocabulary, there seems prima facie evidence for a clade that includes Slovene, Slovak, Yiddish, Polish, Russian, Czech, Romanian, Bulgarian, Rusyn and Ukranian, which we lumpers will call Slavic. The Critics' response seems to be that the evidence for including Romanian and Yiddish is week, and many of the other languages have borrowings from Russian and Latin, so the Slavic hypothesis as a whole is forever disproven as pseudoscientific. There is no way that one can say Greenberg, et al, view Amerind as fully demonstrated--only as a strong starting hypothesis with enough evidence to take seriously. (There is also the fact that Greenberg et al take genetic relatedness as the default position, while Campbell et al take borrowing as the default position.) Perhaps that should be better emphasized in the article. If we are going to continue this discussion it should be on the article's talk page. If you want to respond, please copy me and post your response there. μηδείς (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I think it is more appropriate to reply here as this is more about our personal opinions than about how to improve the article. I don't buy your Slavic analogy either - it is not the case that there is a core of promising correspondences and that splitters are jettisoning the entire project because of a few languages that don't seem to fit. It is also not the case that there is a need to start by making grand hypotheses which can then be further elaborated by correct methods - there is no dearth of hypotheses, on the contrary. "Splitters" in fact do work actively on showing valid groupings, and reconstructing language families, that is when they have time after they point out the obvious flaws in the dozens of long range or phylum hypotheses made by scholars who have neither the intention or ability to actually make a valid and solid proposal backed with evidence. Taking relatedness as the null hypothesis is of course just bad science. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 00:26, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

But it's not something I really want to argue. (I personally know speakers of Nakota and Mixtec. I have, on my own, studied everything from Papago and Algonquian to Tlingit and Eskaleut, to Quecha and Mapudungu, and I know Greenberg's premise is both verifiable in the WP sense and not pseudoscientific.) It would be okay to argue in person, but not here, as it is far too cumbersome. I would recommend you read all the Amerind material at Nostratic,net, including Campbell's original review and Greenberg's response. I do agree that there is no reconstruction of the midlevel families of the purported Amerind sufficient to base a reconstruction of it upon. Nevertheless, Campbell's criticisms are quite weak potshots. A small number of minor flaws and the notion that one might imagine correspondences are due to borrowing or other unspecified "influences" don't amount to actual rebuttals of Greenberg. There's no problem whatsoever giving a fair description of his opposition and pointing out that he does not offer or even have the grounds to offer a reconstruction. There's no reason to deride his position as if it were sheer quackery. μηδείς (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I think there is a reason to describe it unkindly: that is the position taken by the main authorities in the field. But now we are back to discussing how to improve the article. I disagree fundamentally with your somewhat glib dismissal of Campebell's (and many other scholars') very strong criticisms of methodological and theoretical flaws.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:33, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

It's certainly not glib or unconsidered. Read Greenberg and the sources at Nostratic.net at your leisure. I am also familiar enough with your edits to know you are not glib or unconsidered. I have read Campbell's and Greenberg's papers, and Campbell's American Indian Languages: The Historical Linguistics of Native America, and Mithun's classification in full, and plenty of independent, including primary sources. Greenberg's work is preliminary at best--it just can't be dismissed off hand. My basic point is that it's possible to give an objective description of Campbell's and the Americanists' reaction toward Greenberg that even Greenberg's supporters would agree is Campbell's viewpoint. μηδείς (talk) 03:13, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I have not found evidence of any "Amerind" language that shows greater affinities with non-"Amerind" languages than with other languages of the Americas.

In fact, Eskimo–Aleut–Wakashan (if true) is precisely such a potential counterexample. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Fortescue's work on Uralo-Siberian shows a rather recent (in the scheme of things) grammatical and lexical connection between Eskimo Aleut and Proto-Uralic, as well as apparently Chukchi-Kamchatkan. Nothing Fortescue writes strictly contradicts Greenberg's Eurasiatic. I am not familiar enough with the 'Amerind' languages of the Pacific NW to have a strong negative opinion, and subjectively it wouldn't surprise me to learn there's some sort of cross-Bering substrate influences going on. But given the obvious connections between EA and PU, I think it's hard to maintain any close and genetic link between EA and anything American. Do you have a link to anything about Eskimo–Aleut–Wakashan I can read on line? μηδείς (talk) 02:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Yoruba language

Thanks for deleting the section I was trying to convert into sense! I agree that it was dubious, but loan words aren't completely off-topic in a language article. The small number of them provided probably says a lot in itself.

I'll insert my edits into the latest revision and then you can delete it again if you like. ;) ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 06:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I will take a look at it again. Those edits were part of a larger trend of inserting dubious material from a source notable for its POV rather than its scholarship. μηδείς (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Mistaken section deletion ?

I assume you deleted this section: [1] by mistake ? I restored it. StuRat (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I added a remark and when I saved it I got a database error message. I think the history actually shows that I sucessfully restored it. μηδείς (talk) 17:52, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

OK. I tried to restore it, but you must have beaten me to it. StuRat (talk) 17:56, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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Other than the blocking admins personal point of view, which was not consensus when the matter was discussed, there is no damage to the project. He should recuse himself for enforcing his personal opinion on the matter as if it were policy, file a complaint, and let an independent admin judge. I also invite User:Pfly to comment as whether he feels my action vandalised his edit. If so, please let me remain blocked. Until then please unblock me as no danger to the project. μηδείς (talk) 20:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I am quite happy to take this to RfC and abide by that decision before I act, but I am not prepared to take Franamax's opinion as law without further review. He's said I would be unblocked if I don't use the template again, and I am happy to wait for such a ruling, so please unblock me. μηδείς (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2012‎ (UTC)

Decline reason:

I am quite happy to take this to RfC and abide by that decision before I act,
We needn't conduct an RfC to determine whether the guideline applies to you.
but I am not prepared to take Franamax's opinion as law without further review.
Your unblock request was reviewed by an uninvolved administrator (me). You then initiated another request with the same invalid rationale (the incorrect assertion that Franamax is uniltaterally imposing a standard not backed by consensus). If you do so again (thereby abusing this procedure), your ability to edit this talk page while blocked may be revoked.
He's said I would be unblocked if I don't use the template again,
No, Franamax stated that you can be unblocked if you will agree to stop all editing of others' comments. That offer stands. —David Levy 21:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I have promised not to add stars to other people's comment's unless there is an RfC that says I may do so. I have not otherwise "edited other editor's" comments under any definition, and I do promise not to do so, including his definition. What else am I supposed to promise? Please unblock me, you won't see me editing people's comments. μηδείς (talk) 22:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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I've unblocked you. Please keep in mind that if you don't honor your promise to refrain from modifying others' talk page messages (except in accordance with WP:TPO), you'll be blocked again. —David Levy 22:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I think I have been eminently clear that I am happy to abide by an actual community decision, rather than Franamax's threats and fiat. I don't accept an admin's privilege to unilaterally enforce a POV in an argument in which he has taken part, especially one that reached no such consensus, and by threats and blocks. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

• Just for the record in response to sentence two of the unblock request, here is an example of "edited other editor's"-ing. Franamax (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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All or nothing please

If you're going to collapse discussion, please get rid of the initial worthless response. --Onorem♠Dil 17:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

He did both give an external link to the data the OP wanted and did explain why the info was not yet in the article. That has to stand, even though I am very sympathetic with the concern of not inviting editors to do it themselves. Please continue this on the ref desk talk page if you like, I watch there and any discussion belongs there. μηδείς (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Read the question again. --Onorem♠Dil 17:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

There's a thread at talk now, express your concerns there please. μηδείς (talk) 17:37, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I have. Thank you. --Onorem♠Dil 17:42, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Why is my change 'nonsense'? --Onorem♠Dil 18:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

If you can cap randomly, so can I. --Onorem♠Dil 18:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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fête

Do you know the word fête is pronounced fight in Quebec French. Fête (talk) 10:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Québécois

Êtes-vous québécois ? Fête (talk) 00:43, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Mais, non! J'habite les EEUU, et je n'ai pas de sang francais. Je ne parle pas bien francais. Je parle nativement l'anglais et secondairement l'espagnol et un peut des autres langues. Je peux m'exprimer en francais si necessaire. μηδείς (talk) 02:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Ma langue maternelle

Non, ma langue maternelle est le cantonais. Fête (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Mais ta page user dit que tu ne parles qu'intermédiairement le cantonais. Il faut nous dire quelle langue tu parles le plus bien. μηδείς (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yue signifie cantonais. Fête (talk) 23:10, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Entendu. Mais Google Translate dit que "呢個用戶嘅母語係粵語。 b呢个用户嘅母语系粤语" signifie que "This user speaks an intermediate level of Cantonese": <<Cet utilisateur parle avec un niveau intermédiaire de Cantonais.>> Si le cantonais est ta langue maternelle il faut que tu changes ce qu'il dit dans ta page user. μηδείς (talk) 23:29, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

It is possible Fête just writes the truth. I know several people (well, three) who do not speak their mother tongue at all any more, and several others who speak it poorly. All WP:OR, but true, nonetheless. Bielle (talk) 23:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

That describes a lot of my late relatives, but they all lost fluency in their mother tongues only as they became fully fluent in English. Fête nous dira. μηδείς (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for confirming my proto-Polish

I appreciate your pitching in on my Language RD query. I did use Google Translate, but with texts by this well-published author I like to get a native-speaker's input. There are a few Ref Desk Regulars who are familiar with my turf and will probably show up within 24 hours - otherwise I'll hail them individually. (Checking recent activity on their Talk pages is usually a good indication :-) -- Cheers! Deborahjay (talk) 07:19, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

volume

I must to ask where to turn up the volume ? Fête (talk) 23:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Try here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk μηδείς (talk) 23:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

tempête

You hear [tãpɛːt] or [tãpaɛ̯t] in the file Media:FR-Tempête (Gaspésie).ogg ? Fête (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

It is a weak dipthong, a little higher than [tãpaɛ̯t], closer to [tãpæɪ̯t]. Please don't keep asking me these questions on my talk page. You really should contact the French department of a local university and ask them where you can get information on the subject. μηδείς (talk) 18:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Recent deaths

Do you want to nominate Sunil Gangopadhyay? If that gets support by itself, that would be great. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I would only be a very weak support, basically because I am ignorant on the subject from every angle (poetry, Hindu, Bangladesh...). So, no, I don't feel comfortable nominating it myself. But given the reader interest and the good state of the article I would vote support were it nominated by someone who has more knowledge on the issue than I. I hate to sound so critical of your noms. I support the spirit, and appreciate your effort. I just want to stay procedurally kosher and avoid giving ammo to the opposes. μηδείς (talk) 03:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

hiver

Do you hear [ivɛːʁ] or [ivaɛ̯ʁ] in the file Media:Fr-hiver-fr CA.ogg ? Fête (talk) 10:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Answer me please ! I Don't hear well. Fête (talk) 20:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I hear the diphthong. Il faut que tu parles avec un prof d'une universite que soit pres de toi. Ils vont savoir ou tu peux encontre les reponses que tu veux. μηδείς (talk) 21:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

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Reply to your message on my talk page

I have extensive educational background in the subject matter. "Crystalline" and "igneous" do not mean the same thing. I am trying to link to relevant Wikipedia articles that explain the technical terms and concepts, rather than providing "lay" explanations that are misleading or inaccurate. --Orlady (talk) 20:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I do appreciate your efforts to clarify the terminology in the article, but I don't think it's necessary or even possible to write such an article using only language that will be understood by people with only a rudimentary knowledge of geology. Some technical terminology is needed, supported by wikilinks.

As I see it, the problems with the article are not really "too technical", but rather have included poor writing (some parts are still almost completely incoherent), misuse of technical terms, lack of links to other articles, and sometimes the use of multiple technical terms for what is essentially one concept. Efforts by several contributors are resolving these things, bit by bit. --Orlady (talk) 23:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I see it's in flux. The description of the craton in the second paragraph of the lead is helpful. I am not asking for full digressions, All I am suggesting is adding appositives like one would in biology or any other technical science. E.g., "Mammals are 'warm-blooded', or endothermic animals with backbones (i.e., vertebrates) characterized by possessing hair, producing milk, and having three inner ear bones evolved from the reptilian jawbones." This is much better than the equally true: "mammals are trichophorous lactating craniates with a derived incus, malleus and stirrup" which is where the Geology of Russia article had been standing. 23:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Didn't even know my fingers had made that edit - apologies! Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Climate change and Hurricane Sandy

Why did you remove the climate change section in Hurricane Sandy ([4])? Your edit summary stated "this is undue political commentary by axe grinders with no peer review to back up any specific claim." Ironically, it looks like you removed the only peer reviewed references in this article (Trenberth 2012). Peer review is desirable, but not a requirement for WP:Reliable source. The fact that you left the rest of the article intact and held one section to a different standard makes it seem like you are the "axe grinder" (by the way, it's easier to assume good faith when others do so). Please participate in the discussion on the talk page instead of reverting the article and accusing other editors of axe grinding.--Bkwillwm (talk) 03:58, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
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DYK for Geology of Russia

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Kurtsi

I seem to recall you telling about your xxxxxx origins, but I didn't want to mention that on RDL because you didn't want to reveal that yourself (and it would be ahearsay anyway). May I ask, why such secrecy? If you genuinely want the answer, isn't it better that you provide more hints, not hide them? No such user (talk) 00:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

What I have is what I have been told without much documentation by elder family; no one closer than my grandparents generation was born in the old country. I have various rhymes, curses, sayings, prayers, jokes, and so forth that I have been taught over the years. I have very few relatives left of that age, and none that remembers living in Europe. So I am hoping to get independent confirmation of the things I have been told. Just coming out and saying "such and such is what I was told is such and such" will be subject to confirmation bias and so forth. The information that "kurtsi" may mean "dick" is not something I would have expected to learn had I just come out and said this rhyme is supposedly from this dialect and I was told it means such and such--and certainly not penis! So, I am actually quite happy with the results so far. I will explain what I have been told in full eventually, but am hoping to hear it "from the horses mouth" so to say before I give my own version. Thanks very much for the interest! μηδείς (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Little temper tantrum over language desk nonsense

I really don't see why why we need multiple queries about misspelled pointless pottymouth pseudo-proverbs in indeterminate Slavic dialects in multiple sections on the ref. desk. My reason for grouping them was exactly the same as for grouping User:Fête... AnonMoos (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. According to Wikipedia policies, this user talk page does not really "belong" to you, and I've still never seen the slow-loading images at the top of this page... AnonMoos (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for finding a good photo for the Héctor Camacho article! INeverCry 20:01, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

• I reviewed it on Commons, and added it to the other articles in interwiki. INeverCry 20:10, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I was concerned because I expected a special prompt for flickr images, but didn't find one while uploading--but I see you caught thta. I am curious how you found Ms. Negron's last name? There didn't seem any obvious way to find it, or I'd have added her full name. (I know I have uploaded images before from Flickr without finding the author's full name. I haven't done too many, so you may want to check my previous uploads, if there is a way to do that. μηδείς (talk) 20:59, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I only did the Flickr review, which I rarely do. This user added the info you refer to. I don't know much about the subject, as I spend the majority of my time with deletions/restorations. INeverCry 21:12, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I did find full her name when I went back to leave a notification at Flickr thanking her and letting her know we used the image. I am not to worried about the user name issue on the other images, no one has told me they wre subject to deletion and they were all in good faith of course. Thanks, again. μηδείς (talk) 21:17, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

You might want to use this for uploading Flickr images in the future. INeverCry 21:26, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! μηδείς (talk) 21:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Sandy relief benefit concerts

I'm more comfortable talking with you than with VW about creating articles regarding three concerts for Hurricane Sandy relief. Two happened in New Orleans on November 20, 2012. The first one was NOLA Pay It Forward, which played at the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts. The second one was NOLA for NJ and NY: A New Orleans Hurricane Sandy Benefit Concert, which played at The Howlin' Wolf Nightclub. That one had a connecting raffle and silent auction. Here are a couple significant references; [5] and [6]. A third concert will play on December 12, 2012, at Madison Square Garden in New York City. It's bound to be 12.12.12 - The Concert for Sandy Relief, hence the date and the title. Here are a couple significant references; [7] and [8]. I hope I've provided as much appropriate information as possible for creating articles.142.255.103.121 (talk) 06:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll be glad to help you. Find references in local magazines that will be accessible on line. My only problem is I have a certification test Tuesday, a doctor's appointment Weds, a dentist appoint Thurs all on top of my normal duties. Basically as along as two printed refs exist per event we are set, so you can start article on your talk page and give refs, and when I can I'll help you make them up to standard and undeletable. I am very busy and have personal issues, so don't expect to hear back--I'll be distracted. Just get back to me late Wed-Fri when you have concrete info I can work on.

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μηδείς (talk) 07:03, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I think I found one more significant reference when I went to the Mahalia Jackson Theater for the Performing Arts website. Here's the reference; [9]. (NOLA Pay It Forward was arranged by New Orleans Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu.) If you want to find more info on The Howlin' Wolf Nightclub, here's their website; [10]. As for the references you asked me to look for, the ones I gave you are the best I can find. The other day, I wrote to the two venues in New Orleans and to Madison Square Garden. So far, I haven't heard back from them yet. Hopefully, somebody at all three venues will write back to me soon.142.255.103.121 (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with the sources you have given so far is that they are commercially or politically self-promotional ones. (Also, the Landrieu one points just to his main site-we'd need a link that pointed to the specific information. Promotional links like these are ok for factual reference, that a certain thing is on a certain date, etc. But to get an article started, we would need something showing independent notability. That is, some reviewer with a name in a big paper or magazine mentioning why they are notable, or a major news paper doing a news piece that is more than just a listing or current event. Without proving notability any article will get deleted extremely quickly, within a week, or maybe even the same hour its posted. What we can do is add this to another existing article if that article is already notable. For example, if there were already a Hurricane Sandy benefits article, we could add these to it so long as the links were verifiable. The truth is there probably won't be anything notable said about these benefits until they happen, so we might just have to wait and see what's written after.

In the meantime, do two things. First, look for an existing article we can add to. Read the Sandy article and comb it for links to an article we might use: benfits, charity response--you figure it out. Second, get better direct links to the exact info you want. The Landrieu page, for instance, may have had a mention when you looked which may have changed in the meantime. If we can find an article and get direct links there should be no problem adding this now. I do want to point out I'll be glad to give advice, but I am already pretty busy here, and my personal life will be very busy through the holidays at least, so I can give advice but you will have to do the research. μηδείς (talk) 03:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Two benefit concerts have already happened. The third one is bound to happen this next month. In the Hurricane Sandy article, there's mention of relief efforts. One was about Hurricane Sandy: Coming Together. The other was about Day of Giving. As for the rest, I did the best I could on finding significant references. Now I have no intention of being commercial or politically self-promotional about anything. I was only trying to give you some ideas, that's all. NOLA Pay It Forward benefitted non-profit organizations dedicated to Hurricane Sandy relief. NOLA for NJ and NY: A New Orleans Hurricane Sandy Benefit Concert benefitted the American Red Cross Hurricane Sandy Relief Fund and New Jersey/New York area non-profit organizations accepting immediate donations. 12.12.12 - The Concert for Sandy Relief will benefit the Robin Hood Relief Fund. 142.255.103.121 (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, but how can I find an answer to my question

I don't know if either of those women/actresses have official websites. Plus I'm wondering if you can tell me if the musical play Wicked will come to Seattle in the next few years? Neptunekh94 (talk) 05:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I have just as much idea as you about Seattle, and even less personal familiarity with the city. (Only place I've ever been west of the Mississip was Texas and Louisiana.) As for Xena, both she and Gabrielle drive me crazy. But sorry, no personal knowledge here of how to get anyone's signature. μηδείς (talk) 05:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

latin

Salve Medeis! Ut vales? Sum scriptor in vicipaedia latina (nam non dico latinam meam perfectam esse!) En tibi, vicipaedia (wikipedia latina) est nimius extremus. Quamquam in classica non sunt cogitationes 'identitas', 'antigravity', etc , sunt qua affirmant nos exprimere in 'classica' pura. Quod possim facere? --Jondel (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Jondel. I can read it, but my Latin's not that good that I would attempt a long response to you in it. Since Latin was used well into the modern era, many new coinages were necessary. I don't think you should be too concerned if a term didn't exist in the classical era. A word like antigravitatio would seem perfectly acceptable. But I see your comments at the lang ref desk. My response to such an editor would be to ask him if he thinks such articles should be written at all, and if so, what words he would use. You might have to call a firewall a firewall italicized in English in the article and define it in the lead as literally a "parietem ignis", a wall meant to stop the spread of fire [11]. But antigravitatio is so obvious from gravitatio that if it meets resistance you might need to have an RfC followed by an ANI complaint if that doesn't work. If you are going to respond on this topic further I suggest you do so at the lang ref desk, I watch there daily and more people can chime in. μηδείς (talk) 17:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

The feeling is antigravitatio would recieve a dubsig like identitas and so many words in similar situations, even if it is obvious these concepts did not exist in Cicero's time. We need to move forward. If the classical word exists in the dictionary, or 'New Latin ' was supplied by the Vatican or some Latinist author then great! However we are forced to coin. The 'identitas' case is not isolated. you say antigravitatio woul seem perfectly acceptable. I (we ) reaaly need support for that point of view, because there are extremists there. Finding the right word for firewall , etc is my(vicipaedia editor's) problem(after all I chose to edit at vicipaedia). I already mentioned this at the lang ref desk. thanks anyway.--Jondel (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I will probabaly use your lead for firewall e.g. Firewall(licet parietem ignis) est ...--Jondel (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Given I don't edit vicipedia, I an not sure technically what a dugsig is technically. And is there some sort of policy that requires fossilized latin only? Sounds unlikely. Could you both link me to the dugsig policy itself and to one of the problematic uses of it? I would certainly be opposed to a strict anti-neologism policy, given the use of such terms as entity and gravitation. μηδείς (talk) 01:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

uhh, I'd rather speak to someone outside the vicipaedia. I dubsig looks like this {{dubsig}} . The particular incident, representative of so many similar incident is this.

The reason there is a 'cultic' movement to use fossilized latin is because good latin is assumed to be classical. But it is taken to the extreme now, to the point that a lot of times when they see medieval or new latin, the article gets undermined or rated with a -3 , and I'm supposed to be happy with a -2. Typically, to get this perfect ratings, a lot of core ideas are amputated. It seems the guys who are good in latin tend to use medieval, while those who aren't are the ones who do the policing/censoring.

The dubsigs link to this.--Jondel (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Having looked at the dugsig page it does seem likely that tag might be abused. The problem is no matter who rational your explanation, you have to deal with editor and admins who may have numbers and time on their side. I don't know of any remedy for this. μηδείς (talk) 22:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Your pointiness

Why is it that for somebody who participates in discussions a lot, you appear to know remarkably little about Wikipedia talk page conventions? In the "dual articles" thread, the horizontal line and lack of indentation indicates that I'm starting afresh, and not replying in any way to User:Snow_Rise and User:Shakescene's comments (which to be frank didn't address what was asked too directly), and am instead going back to the original question. In contrast, your comment of "16:57, 2 December 2012" was a direct reply to my comment of "10:43, 2 December 2012", and my comment "17:35, 2 December 2012" is a direct reply to your reply. A horizontal line can appear before and/or after the whole "10:43, 2 December 2012" - "16:57, 2 December 2012" - "17:35, 2 December 2012" sequence, but not in the middle of it (as should be rather blatantly obvious). AnonMoos (talk) 05:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Mahna Mahna. μηδείς (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

New jersey question rephrased

Is there any "safe area" parts of Irvington? I know that city/township has a high crime rate bu does it have any safe areas like parks, beaches, or neighborhoods or schools? Venustar84 (talk)`

==Pardon me for asking, but does the Bronx or Manhattan have to do with Irvington?== New York City is not even the sate of New Jersey so what do with the question I'm asking about? Also I heard that Springfield Avenue that main street is safe enough to walk through out the day. Is that true? I'm only asking because I have a friend from that city who is living in a different city right now. Would alot of the population of that town be in crime? Also do you know anything about the crime rate in Abbotsford,_British_Columbia or Dawson_Creek? Thanks! Venustar84 (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You should ask these questions in the mainspace, if anywhere. Please don't post more questions here. I do not want to, but will ask for you to be blocked if I find it necessary. μηδείς (talk) 03:36, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your encouraging comment. As a result, I may perhaps not wait the usual 6 or 7 days before making another proposal. But only this time. Esoglou (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Encouragement, when deserved, is a far greater moral imperative than criticism. μηδείς (talk) 22:31, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

When removing references please also remove the definition in the reflist if it is the last usage of said reference otherwise you cause the large red Cite errors. Werieth (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Jalsha Movies

Thanks, I'll do it. --Tito Dutta (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Excellent! I have to find a nice hook first. Finding a hook has been a very difficult task for me. I have multiple articles ready at this at this moment, for example see much much better and bigger Bibliography of Swami Vivekananda, but without any hook.

This is a joke and don't take it seriously

With a DYK hook like– Did you know... in 2009 Kenyan car company Xomba Tomba Bazumba Hiri Giri Miri Giri celebrated 75 years of their establishment?, I generally respond– No, I did not know and do not want to know too! Yesterday, I first went to DYK zone and posted 2 noms. If you have any pending DYK, you can tell me. I promise, I'll read even if it is on Xomba Tomba..'s success--Tito Dutta (talk) 23:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, well, I have worked as a professional hooker. Just do the nomination, link me to it here, and I will do the hard parts. μηδείς (talk) 23:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I have nominated it --Tito Dutta (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the copyedit.
• They put 400 horadings like this all over the city. I can see one in my nearest main road too!
• For the citation needed tag, please press Ctrl+F and type Mahendra" here, you'll get the quote, since I put 2 direct quotes already, I wrote this one in indirect speech.
• If you have any pending DYK nom, you can tell me! --Tito Dutta (talk) 03:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Business Standard is a newspaper, Capmaign India too. It is covered in Hindu Business Line, Press_Trust_of_India,(link not opening) Yahoo News etc too. "Hoarding" seems to be a British English, see here, the image link I gave above, see the title bar, they are also using the word "Horading". I am not sure if we should write the American English in bracket! --Tito Dutta (talk) 04:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

That's very interesting. Americans will think it is a typo or be totally confused, so I will add it in parentheses. As for the sources, I will rely on your judgment, I just wanted you to be aware of the possibility of it being an issue. I don't have any DYK noms now, but thanks for the offer. Given I have editted the article a good bit I cannot do an official review now, but I will put my opinion on the nomination. I will also think about a catchier hook. μηδείς (talk) 18:59, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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Children Building Forts

Cubby-hole treehouse. [ da:hule http://mads.gemal.dk/blog/221/hulemand hobbit after the Old English Hol-bytla cubby or cubby-house was used as well as fort in Australia, but the materials of choice were rocks, branches, grass and galvanized iron if available, and it sandcastles Children's den Sons of Daniel Boone actually formalized the concept: boys were organized into forts (analogous to a Scout troop) who would build forts in the woods.xkcd strip 219: Blanket Fort calls them blanket forts, which I think you haven't linked yet. Wendy house

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Children Building Forts In my experience as a child, and interacting with other children now that I am older, the idea of using furniture, cushions and blankets to build a makeshift shelter, called a 'fort', seems universal. We don't seem to have an article mentioning the phenomenon. Is it indeed universal? Are such things called forts in other countries and regions? Is there historical mention of the activity, e.g., "As a child, the future Mad King Ludwig was fond of building forts"? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Cubby-hole isn't much in itself, but it might have some useful links. -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 02:02, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I certainly did it largely out of furniture, but when I got older it included local construction debris nearby my house. Unfortunately I never had a treehouse. Shadowjams (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Is "cubby hole" what you call a "fort" when constructed by a child in Australia, Jack? The article certainly mentions the phenomenon, but doesn't mention the term "fort". In my part of the US, however, a cubby hole is a nook where one places one's jacket, back-pack, and perhaps shoes in the pre-school and kindergarten years, not something you construct or hide in. As for a tree house, we did build forts down the woods of various kinds with scrap lumber. But the idea of a tree house didn't really appeal to me or my friends after one of the Ward boys drove his Big Wheel out of theirs and broke half a dozen bones, missing an entire summer. μηδείς (talk) 02:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I have the same def of cubby-hole here in Detroit as Medeis. As for the tendency for kids to build forts, I'd list "building shelter" as traditionally among one of lifes most important skills, so it's no wonder children want to practice at it. In the current world, our ability to build shelter is less important, but still might save your life if you find yourself lost in the woods some day. StuRat (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Danish children don't build forts but caves (da:hule). See for example http://mads.gemal.dk/blog/221/hulemand which shows an example and says "Alle børn elsker at bygge huler" (All children love to build caves). PrimeHunter (talk) 04:09, 15 December 2012 (UTC) OH, what a darling link. If you want to see the spitting image of my sister and her sons (although the boys are a little more dolichocephalic given their Russian roots, and now have a sister) do check out this link to exactly what I am thinking about. Perhaps this is all just a matter of the psychology of scale. See the etymology of hobbit, also mentioned below. Perhaps we are all hobbits. μηδείς (talk) 05:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Note that while the name may be different, the result is the same. StuRat (talk) 04:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Damn! I've long harboured the belief that Danish kids construct miniature Elsinores and stand on the battlements proclaiming, "At være, eller ikke være, det er spørgsmålet ....".  :) -- Jack of Oz [Talk] 05:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Elsinore is actually the city (went to high school there and lives nearby). The castle is Kronborg but Shakespeare called it Elsinore. Hamlet#Plot handles his mess with a piped link. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Yes, my own OR suspicion is that this is nesting behavior, which is pre-human, and oxytocin-mediated. The two things that most interest me are, is "fort" building as I would call it universal in form among humans, or do some use sheets while other use pillows (or whatever) and what terms are used where for the activity? Do the brits call them forts? Do Californians? Do Enzeders call them lean-tos and build them with bedsheets? Or how about the French? How about tribes inhabiting tropical areas? As for the Danes, I wonder if Tolkien knew about the habbit when he named the hobbit after the Old English Hol-bytla. μηδείς (talk) 05:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC) cubby or cubby-house was used as well as fort in Australia, but the materials of choice were rocks, branches, grass and galvanized iron if available, and it would not be built inside a house but in nearby bushland. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Brit here: not forts although we do a good line in sandcastles. Cubbyholes, in the days when houses had cupboards under the stairs that's where we kept everything from coats to old toys. (We used to call it a glory hole but I understand that that's got an entirely different meaning these days!) Back to the original, I think I used to call it a "hidey-hole". --TammyMoet (talk) 09:47, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Another Brit here - for me growing up it was either a fort or a den, depending on what the game was that was being player. Fort if under attack from friend or sister, den if playing house or something similar... gazhiley 09:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC) Much of my childhood free time was spent in Epping Forest building "dens" (as in lion's den). Sadly, children here rarely have the freedom for that these days. Alansplodge (talk) 12:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC) WHAAOE: see Children's den. Alansplodge (talk) 12:39, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Yes, we call them dens here in the north of England, too, though it's quite a while since I've built one. Dbfirs 17:17, 15 December 2012 (UTC) The Sons of Daniel Boone actually formalized the concept: boys were organized into forts (analogous to a Scout troop) who would build forts in the woods. --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I doff my coon-skin cap to them. StuRat (talk) 18:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC) I grew up (and still live) in Australia, and our backyard had a "cubby house" (a small, shop bought wooden house on stilts with a ladder to reach it, and approx 2 x 3 x 3m in size) and a "tree house" (a few pieces of wood for sitting in a medium size tree, I think there might have also been some rope involved). Inside the house my brother and I occasionally built forts/bases (we called them both to my memory) out of furniture, sheets, cushions, etc. I'm guessing that depending on the housing densities in wherever people grew up the names might have different meanings (as we've seen to be the case with different countries) HandsomeNick (TALK) (EDITS) 01:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC) xkcd strip 219: Blanket Fort calls them blanket forts, which I think you haven't linked yet. – b_jonas 14:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) A pre-made house is a Wendy house. Boys are allowed in if they play nicely Itsmejudith (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC) That's fine. Wendy houses are for cissies. We never allowed girls in the treehouse, as they have damp hands and don't keep secrets. Wickwack 121.215.132.106 (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2012 (UTC) If Wendy houses are for cissies, does that mean forts are for transies? μηδείς (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Please restore the text you removed without explanation

([12]) Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 08:30, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

If you see that sort of glitch in the future, feel free also to fix it yourself, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

ITN for Charles Durning

Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 09:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! μηδείς (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:PEACOCK

"Prestigious" is never an appropriate term- it merely attempts to give status without giving any specifics. In addition, it is completely inappropriate in the Popo case as the status of the victims schooling had absolutely zero relevance to the victims only notability: being attacked by a crazed man. Eugene certainly did not say "hey, i think i am going to eat his face because he went to a prestigious high school". We are not here to create hagiographies of victims. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 19:10, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

hard break

Hard

Break

ITN for 2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede

--I hope I didn't cause you to edit-conflict too much (if at all :P). Spencer^T♦C 19:04, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Hilarious, I actually remarked to myself, "I can't believe I am not getting any edit conflicts!" μηδείς (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't have any either. Maybe the software's smart enough that if you're working with different text or different sections it won't conflict? I thought it was curious too. Spencer^T♦C 19:08, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you will not get edit conflicts if you are editting under sections with separate headings, which is one reason they should be added as soon as logically justified, and why you should edit by section and not the page as a whole when possible. Even then it was unusual not to have any conflicts but to see your changes each time I submitted mine. μηδείς (talk) 19:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

I will refrain for asking useless questions in the future. Please forgive my intuition and embarrassment. By the way, I'm female. I think good faith is a good idea. 06:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venustar84 (talk • contribs)

Reverted you edits, I think you made a mistake

I reverted your edits here [13] as this edit [14] in particular was I believe a mistake. You restored the RD to as it was early in December which I assume is not what you wanted to do. 07:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I wanted to restore the deleted material to the archives, but there were so many such edits it looks hopeless. μηδείς (talk) 15:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

100% correct

Hi, Medeis. I edit conflicted with your closure of that silly thread about sanctions on the US over gun control. Great minds still sometimes think alike. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Still reading Jourdain's book on music. Brilliant, which I don't say lightly. Gave my brother Cox's The Elements: Their Origin, Abundance, and Distribution instead. He'll get Jourdain for his birthday. μηδείς (talk) 06:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Shore nowiki ho

I like to keep all discussions about ref desk content on the ref desk or its talk page, is why I asked there.

I thought I sort of had the gist of your initial post, but I wasn't sure/shore. The 'ho' next to the 'nowiki' threw me, and I had no reason to associate 'ho' with 'shore', or to know that 'shore' meant anything like 'show'. I actually thought you were being mischievous and deliberately mispelling 'sure', but the sense didn't fit. Let's face it, you sometimes make what can only be described as extremely weird posts, one only yesterday. I don't have a problem with weirdness; I'm one of its greatest advocates. But I do like to understand what others are saying.

I ignore all that stuff about not being paid. Nobody's paid here. But nobody's forced to participate either. I don't hold with any approach that's even a 3rd cousin of "I'm not getting paid for this so I don't have to care about the quality of my contributions, and it's the job of my readers to work out what the hell I'm on about". Not saying that's your attitude, but you seem to be hovering around its edges. Bottom line: You may have known what was in your head, but it's folly to assume others are with you, particularly when what proceeds from your pen is somewhat unorthodox use of the language.

Have a nice day. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 11:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Had I caught that I would certainly have fixed it--There's no point in my posting gibberish, unless gibberish is called for. Like I said, neither word was challenged by the spell checker. And I was in no way miffed by your wanting clarification. My point about working for free referred to my deliberate choice in occasional circumstances (unlike that one) not to correct single unimportant misspellings like "unintrested" immediately after I notice them after a post because it won't affect anyone's understanding. (This instance, on the other hand, was just a rather big error I didn't notice.) The comment about working for free was was not meant to say that you as readers were not worth fixing things for, but that I'd rather actually contribute to something else more significant like a translation or to lend you my eyes on the Quiroga article than reopen the same edit box three more times to obsessively polish minor errors as I see them. It was really a side comment on how to understand my editing priorities if you see a minor missppelling on a talk page. Then, Later, if I do come back to that thread and open it to edit again for some other reason, I will usually then fix the error. Kind of like packing the car for a trip, turning the key in the ignition, realizing you left the toilet seat up, but leaving it til you return to go back in and close it.

As for the Alex Kingston free-association riff, that was just for fun, not me having a stroke, and totally unrelated to spelling errors. It's full of meaning but maybe not literally. If you reread the thread with the idea "full circle" in your head you may realise what I was saying.

PS, My use of "mister" in my response was meant to indicate I was being jocular and wasn't really miffed. μηδείς (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, then. Fair enough. We all make mistakes we don't notice till later. (I've only just realised I misquoted you, so I fixed it now.)

But please, when someone asks for a clarification, it would be good if you could just tell them straight out, rather than being defensive about it, let alone going the extra mile and making it their responsibility to understand rather than your responsibility to be clear.

Whether you were miffed or not never concerned me.

Nice weather we're having. I'm glad you're enjoying Music, the Brain and Ecstasy. I must get my copy back from my ex-boyfriend and re-read it. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, don't tell me you weren't also having your own little joke with that "what language is this?" quip, which is what prompted my "look mister". I am on the "enjoyment" chapter of Ecstasy. The book is very dense, and to be frank I have been using it as bathroom reading, so I have only been getting through a page a day since the summer. It's definitely one of the best non-fiction books I've read. I intend to buy it for my brother-in-law for his birthday. My suggestion is (unless you don't like him having it, or don't think he'll get more out of it--or my favorite don't think going to ask for it would make a good pretext for a quick rekindling) that you let him keep it and buy yourself another copy. I am looking forward to getting the same author's other books out of the library. μηδείς (talk) 20:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

No, no chance of a rekindling. We've both moved on. I've moved on twice, from memory. Or three times, depending on how one counts these things. But we're still great buddies and see each other when we can (geographically, we're mutually relatively inaccessible now). -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

large quasar group

hi, i noticed your contributions to the article, i was curious as to what you might make out of it. Due to its large size it doesn't seem to fit any pre-thought pattern in cosmology,,,?.thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:03, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I haven't studied astronomy in university, my interest is a a lay-reader. If you start a thread here asking for info about published information and theories on the topic I am sure you will get a lot of interesting speculation because several astronomers answer questions there. μηδείς (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Just because someone is evil doesn't mean we have to accuse him of everey crime imaginable

I find it hard to believe that you cannot understand the difference between a political scandal like Abscam or the Iran-Contra affair and a sex scandal involving a politician. But rather than respond to your taunts with my opinion of you, I will simply remind you to remain objective and civil. I happen to think that Weiner has long been exactly what he has recently been shown to be. But that doesn't require me to use language non-objectively to attack him as if proving his evility was more important than using concepts properly. As I said, you are quite free to add any referenced material you like about how the matter is becoming politically scandalous. In the meantime, enough with the name calling already. μηδείς (talk) 03:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Thanks – albeit, belated – for your input and suggestions. Thank you. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:22, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

What?

Link?

Point?

This has got to be the most unhelpful edit ever, especially with me apparently having asked someone somewhere to be objective and civil. Please, don't answer me directly if this is serious. Take it to an ANI and let me answer there. Reawakened two-year old comments here will be unwelcome and taken as attacks.... 00:43, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The Antichrist

The usage of The Antichrist is under discussion, see Talk:The Antichrist (book) -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Medeis. You have new messages at Vacation9's talk page.
Message added 02:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Vacation9 02:07, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Whould this better pictures of the creature help you to tell what it reminds you of

http://stardusting.nekomaki.com/?page_id=664 http://sailormoon.wikia.com/wiki/Thetis?file=CS012-383.jpg Venustar84 (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have no clue. μηδείς (talk) 19:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

ITN for 2013 Uribana prison riot

--Spencer^T♦C 23:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

lmfao

I wanted to let you know I got a good laugh out of your comment: "All entertainment at wikipedia such as that above" here. :) Shadowjams (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

"One can easily imagine a US tourist wishing that Scotsmen would 'speak English'"

A few years back here in Milwaukee we held a joint congress of the Canadian Esperanto Association and the main U.S. Esperanto group, then called the Esperanto League for North America. Two of the people in attendance were a mother-daughter pair from New Zealand, doing a world tour with a concentration on attending Esperantist events. Their hometown was a village somewhere in the New Zealand Alps whose settlers were apparently almost all Scots. The consensus among the Yanks at the congress was that, pleasant folks though they were, it was far easier to understand the ladies' Esperanto than it was their English! --Orange Mike | Talk 19:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I could imagine. I had the embarrassing experience on a trip with the high school German club to the German parts of Switzerland that it was much easier for me to talk with the locals if we both used ... French. μηδείς (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

In "Der Deutsch-Athen" everybody knows that Deutsch comes in a lot of flavors. We don't have a lot of Schweizerdeutsch around here, though; they are more likely to be found around New Glarus, Wisconsin. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:12, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Greek name

Is your name modern Greek, classical Greek, or koine Greek? What does it mean? Personally, I love Greek names, because they seem to be given with intention and meaning rather than "something that sounds good to the ear". The names from the Illiad and Odyssey and of the Ancient Greek philosophers are, in my opinion, quite lengthy but very beautiful (e.g. Aristophanes, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Xenophon, Telemachus, Eurymachus, Eurylochus, Lysistrata, Lysistratus, etc.). Are you fluent in koine Greek as well as modern Greek the same way a Chinese person may be fluent in traditional Chinese as well as simplified Chinese? Do you know how to read the New Testament of the Christian Bible in koine Greek? 140.254.226.240 (talk) 16:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

The name comes from Classical Greek, which I can make out with a dictionary and Grammar on hand. I took two semesters as an undergrad, and my prof wanted me to switch majors. Originally I want to use Ουτις, which means "nobody" from the story of the Cyclops whom Odysseus had told his name was "Ουτις", so that when the later blinded the former the Cyclops cried out "nobody has blinded me, no one has stolen my sheep" so that his companions did not come to his aid. But Ουτις was taken. so I picked μηδεὶς, which means the same thing, and sounds prettier.

Mark 11:14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it. καὶ ἀποκριθεὶς εἶπεν αὐτῇ· μηκέτι εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα ἐκ σοῦ μηδεὶς καρπὸν φάγοι. καὶ ἤκουον οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ

μηδείς (talk) 17:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh. I thought you were a Greek Orthodox person on the site, frequenting the reference desks. 140.254.226.187 (talk) 22:21, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hm, I was baptized in the Byzantine rite, but not in Greek, and that was not the reason for me choosing that name. I do find Greek eloquent and elegant. In the real world most of my relatives do actually have Greek-derived names. But I am not Greek and cannot speak it. μηδείς (talk) 22:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Just a quick note

Just a quick note to say that I commented on the warning that you left at User_talk:Sneazy ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's not my habit to obsess over such things, I am sure the user won't repeat his action--although I am surprised his English was good enough to want to change my spellings but not good enough to read the tags he removed. μηδείς (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't see the previous changes to your comment as naturally I was just looking for the username, not an ip. In regards to their English, selective reading maybe, sometimes that's just the way it is :/ ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 22:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I did expect you had missed the two prior IP edits. μηδείς (talk) 22:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Left a note at Addshore's user talk that I think you should reply to. John F. Lewis (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	Mad props for Zhuang Zedong. Jayron32 05:01, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:2013_Russian_meteor_event#American_weapon

Have a look. --PlanetEditor (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For helping out a lot on the Wikipedia Reference Desk. Futurist110 (talk) 04:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, I apologize for asking, but I'm just curious--are you male or female? Futurist110 (talk) 04:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I responded to your comments on my talk page. Please check out my response whenever you'll have the time. Futurist110 (talk) 06:43, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Charles Whitman article

Medeis, you stated "(that's a judgment call--the point for us is that this is a comprehensive encyclopedia, the fact is notable and referenced whatever our opinion of the ruling)", in regards to the blanking of the opinion of the Coroner who described Gumby's death as a homocide. I fail to see where comprehension should include questionable logic, just because it is sourced by a printed article where the writer is not an expert in the field, and the coroner may have been the proverbial "diagnoser looking for a source". If I recall, a Psychologist got his face on a few programs and in print because he diagnosed that Whitman, was suffering from Hypergraphia, possibly due to the tumor.

My point is it is inconceivable (therefore - not comprehensible), that Gumby (already a victim of the tragedy), gets an update over 35 years after the "facts", and he got to decide when he became a murder victim, by not continuing on a treatment program at his request, via a coroner looking to get his name in the histoy books, for a very controversial issue. At best it is a sidebar issue for discussion, not a matter of fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6007:27:29E8:7C13:746:17E3 (talk) 02:44, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

The proper place to discuss this is the article's talk page, not here. I am leaving this note as a courtesy--I usually just delete comments about articles on my talk page. Post there and I will discuss it. μηδείς (talk) 02:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Images - technical questions

Hi, a new editor has asked me some technical questions about adding / changing images in articles but my technical knowledge is minimal. Can you help or do you know who I can refer them to? Thanks in advance. Denisarona (talk) 05:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Their question:

Template:Tucker Smith Revision Hi Denisarona. I'm quite new to this so please forgive my fumblings. I tried to add a photo of Tucker Smith to his page and the thumbnail image was (and is) coming up as a negative image. If I click on the photo, the larger view is fine but the thumbnail looks, well, odd. I took the image down, not knowing what to do next and you've put it back up and yet, it's still a negative image. I've tried to make changes under my old username but my password is not recognized and when I request a new password, no email is sent to the email address I've given here. I'd love for the photo issue to be resolved, he's my uncle and it would be nice if his photo can be posted. If not, it's okay. Thank you. ~rickkilroy~

Denisarona (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK? nomination review request

Hey Medeis, Could you please review this DYK? nomination of mine -- Template:Did you know nominations/Race and ethnic history of New York City. If not, that's okay, but please let me know what your decision on this is. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 00:28, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but could you give a better link? (I'll find it eventually, but I am as lazy as the next person). μηδείς (talk) 02:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Link is at Template:Did you know nominations/Race and ethnic history of New York City. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:47, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the flawed link, and thank you Guy Macon for giving Medeis a better link. Medeis, I have already fixed everything that you pointed out in this DYK? nomination of mine. I likewise chose to keep your previous edits in regards to fixing some of the minor things in this article. Please see my latest comments for this DYK? nomination and respond to them whenever you'll have the time to do it. Thank you very much. Futurist110 (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you again, Medeis. Futurist110 (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you again. Futurist110 (talk) 03:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have now responded to you yet again. Also, if there's any DYK? nomination of yours that you want me to review, I'd be willing to try reviewing it to the best of my abilities. Futurist110 (talk) 04:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have responded to you again, Medeis. Futurist110 (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Composite image

Hi! Would you care to share your opinion about the composite/single infobox image issue here? I would really appreciate it. Thanks! --Life is like a box of chocolates (talk) 01:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

C. Everett Koop

Hi Medeis. To clarify, the "Career" section comprises three distinct subsections: "Medical career", "U.S. Surgeon General", and "Later career". "Koop Report" is not a subsection of Career, but rather a sub-subsection; in other words, it's a subsection of the subsection "U.S. Surgeon General". ;) Regarding the content you hid, I agree with you that it doesn't belong, so I just removed it. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

2013 Russian meteor event:

What do you think the meteor was? Angry birds? The Space Station? A UFO? It has been established it was an asteroid belonging to the Apollo group of asteroids. You know this, so stop being an asshole reverting this extremely well sourced fact. Have a nice day, BatteryIncluded (talk) 05:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

WTF are you smoking? Go bitch at user 212.139.104.161 - located in UK. I am in USA. Take your meds. BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, I take it that means you agree with my edit? Mea maxima culpa. μηδείς (talk) 04:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Dude! It was me who wrote "superbolide meteor" in order to please you, but someone deleted it because of the redundancy, as explained here [15]. Again: go fight with the right person. Really. -BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Dudes!, sources!, meteor!, hey? μηδείς (talk) 04:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

As I said, go bitch at that anomymous IP user. As far as I am concerned, the correct use of "asteroid" in the first sentence is all I wanted and achieved, dude. BatteryIncluded (talk) 04:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

2013 Shahbag protests

Please check the discussion here. I think it will be better to to move the article under "2013 Shahbag protests" title. Thank you. --Freemesm (talk) 14:35, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

FYI

User talk:David Levy#User:Medeis --Guy Macon (talk) 00:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Chelyabinsk meteor

Medeis. Thanks for your comment on the Talk page on the Chelb. meteor. I'm not quite clear on one thing from your comment. Are you okay with "it quickly became a brilliant superbolide meteor" as I suggested?

The reason I ask is that you first said you like the way it is ("I have no problem with the current text."), which does not say superbolide meteor. Then, later, you include the text "...it quickly became a brilliant superbolide meteor" as if you approve of that particular wording.

Anyway, just asking for you to clarify. Cheers. N2e (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Northern Mali conflict (2012–present)

--Thanks additionally for the message on my talk page. Spencer^T♦C 00:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is User:Medeis reported by User:Guy Macon (Result: ). Thank you. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Hugo Chávez

--Sorry about that! Spencer^T♦C 01:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Medeis:
The above message's intended purpose is to inform editors that their work paid off, thereby encouraging further contributions. You obviously were aware that the ITN update occurred (and therefore didn't need to be informed), but you requested this "credit" at Spencer's talk page, which seems to suggest that you perceive it as a trophy bestowed upon editors by administrators. This isn't so. Anyone, including you, can post the message. If it's important to you, feel free to leave it for yourself. —David Levy 02:24, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought these were like barnstars, not just talk backs. μηδείς (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

They're primarily informative in nature. Of course, there's nothing wrong with taking pride in the accomplishment, and if you wish to use the messages as a means of informing others that you helped to update the articles, you're more than welcome to. But if one is missing, you needn't request it from an administrator (who possesses no special authority to post it); you can simply add it yourself. And if you happen to notice that another updater didn't receive a notice, feel free to leave one for him/her. —David Levy 03:46, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Can you give me a link or the fids for the credit template? Perhaps I can make myself the credit faery. μηδείς (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

I just moved it to Template:ITN notice. (It previously was moved from Template:UpdatedITN to Template:ITN credit, which probably contributed to the aforementioned misconception.) —David Levy 04:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 19:24, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

March 2013

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 48 hours for edit warring, as you did at Hugo Chávez. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Bbb23 (talk) 01:49, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• See also report here. The block was partly based on the nature of the edits to an article currently featured on the main page.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Medeis (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

---

Request reason:

The technical charges are a fair cop, but I ask that this block be reduced to 24 hours as unnecessary to protect the project. I see that the four last edits each in effect restored the material added in my first edit, and hence will admit to the basic charge. But the reason was due to cut and pasting material that was being moved and deleted during edit conflicts while I was trying to expand the death section to meet the ITN criteria--note that each new edit was adding new material and references--not because of any desire to establish some sort of preferred text. I'll gladly lay of the article for a week or however long if that's at issue. Thanks

Accept reason:

Looks like you "get it"; so prevention has succeeded. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 06:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• I'm glad you acknowledge the edit-warring and I'm also glad that you are willing not to edit the article for a week. I don't see your point about the "new material"; from my vantage point you were mostly trying to get in the same material over and over again. Sometimes, it was worded slightly differently, and sometimes you were also adding other material, but the whole thing about inflation, socialist rule, and murder rate was repeated I forget how many times. For that reason, I'm not inclined to reduce the length of your block. However, I'm going off-wiki and any uninvolved admin may do whatever they deem best without consulting with me.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks. My point was that I really had no desire to restore the specific material (which is from the AP source quoted) in my first edit per se or against consensus. What you (BBb23) call worded differently was new material added towards meeting the five sentence criterion of ITN listings--the requirement is five new referenced sentences of prose. I didn't even realize my first sentence had been deleted, and notice only now on looking at the edit history that well over 50 edits were made during the same period, and that user Kennvido, for example, reverted the article five times. (In other words, if he hadn't done that, my editions of new material would have simply been that, additions of new material about VP Maduro and the other information I added. But I am not complaining against him or his edits which I assume were in good faith.) I guess my point is that just as technically, one need not violate 3RR in order to be edit warring, one need not be edit warring in order to violate 3RR--especially given this was an In The News nomination by another editor which I was trying to make suitable for listing on the front page after it had been deleted as not updated. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 03:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
• I'm inclined to unblock completely or reduce...the block was rightly made; there's no fault with that. However, this block has already satisfied WP:PREVENTATIVE, and so unless any others object I would say that it can be lifted. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 06:02, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
  • As the person who reported Medeis (and who has been on the receiving end of multiple accusations that I am somehow persecuting her for asking her to not edit war or change other people's comments) I have no objection to the block being lifted; Medeis has always been good about keeping short-term promises made during requests to have blocks lifted, and I am sure that this will be the case this time as well.

I do have a concern about whether this unblock will encourage more problematic behavior in the future. For example, on 22:59, 8 October 2012 admin David Levy unblocked Medeis[16][17] in response to the comment "Please unblock me, you won't see me editing people's comments", and indeed for the short term there were no problems, but six months later on 02:25, 2 March 2013, Medeis was back at it, editing another person's comments.[18]

That being said, the above concerns really need to be addressed at WP:RFC/U, not here, and I am glad that the block accomplished its purpose and could be lifted. As I have said several times, blocks are not the goal. Medeis not edit warring and not editing other people's comments is the goal. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:SPI

Hello

Sorry, I meant to post this before and forgot. I noticed that you asked how to raise an SPI for one of the users I blocked? A sock of User:Timothyhere?

The best thing I can suggest is that you read WP:SPI which should explain everything to you. Basically the initial account, is a sockpuppeteer, any other accounts created after the initial account is blocked are called sockpuppets.

If you wish to open an SPI, then you can do this by visiting the SPI link I gave you above and by clicking where it says "Submitting an SPI case" and then follow the instructions it gives you. You can also do it by going to the user contributions page of the user you wish to report, on that you should see a link that says "arv", if you click on that and follow the instructions you should be able to report it that way.

In some instances when submitting a report to the SPI team, you may wish to request CheckUser. CheckUser is a MediaWiki extension which consists of a small group of trusted Wikipedia users who check things like IP address information. However CheckUser has very strict policies and procedures to follow, generally CheckUser will only agree to check a user if there is clear evidence of likely sock abuse and a good reason why CheckUser is needed to resolve the matter. Some good examples of where CheckUser requests have been successful can be found under the sockpuppet investigation page for Trueman31.

You don't need to do anything further for User:FMicronesian though as someone else has already reported them.

Any questions don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page :)--5 albert square (talk) 22:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

WISE 1049-5319 ‎

Hi μηδείς, the section has been deleted by another user. Another paragraph has also been added which lengthens the article again so I think it is still ready for posting. Perhaps the admins don't want to post something else so soon after the Pope. Nestrs (talk) 03:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk

In regards to the Timothy troll... I asked Nil to keep an eye open here. It is worth watching to make sure it's legitimate. Shadowjams (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

The response at the ref desk talk seems familiar. There was at least another new account that was banned without much fanfare, and not referenced in the SPI, but shares some similarities. The editing times are distinctive, but they vary after a few months. I haven't looked at the new ones, but I think the checkusers know enough more to identify these. It might be worth letting them internally discuss if a wider block or edit filter is appropriate. Shadowjams (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Note

I think we might have some more "Timothy" socks running around the ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Well golllllllee! Suhprise, suhprise! lol. μηδείς (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Shazam! Well, I've asked a checkuser to look into this latest character or characters. We'll jut see what happens. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

sounds like a plan. let me knwo if you catch the troll.--There goes the internet (talk) 05:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

KO, I'll lte you knwo. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Troll

Link your evidence or stop hatting legitimate enough questions. What's wrong with what this IP is asking? --Onorem♠Dil 03:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll assume this is sufficient evidence. μηδείς (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

WT:ITN - abolish minimum update

Medeis,

I know we don't always agree, but I'm urging you please do not reply to "The Rambling Man". He has repeatedly demonstrated derisive, sarcastic, insulting troll like behaviour. He will not concede your point, will try and twist your words against you, will infer a meaning to your words then claim ignorance to that inference, and derail a thread with his constant "one-ups-manship". I know you've experienced this before, so have I, and so has 331dot. We can debate the validity of my proposal at WT:ITN, but from one Wikipedian to another, I strongly urge you not to take TRM's troll bait.

Cheers, --IP98 (talk) 19:27, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

unsolicited comment addressed to third party
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I'm a "troll"? I'm "derisive"? I'm "sarcastic"? Have you ever read WP:NPA? A triple breach. Troubling. (Even 331dot would agree, I'm sure! And I'm sure Medeis can take care of Medeis and doesn't need your advice....) The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

archive for when this goes to ANI
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
By the way, you have many unanswered comments at ITN where you appear to have either misunderstood things or made editing mistakes. Probably worthwhile you returning there to set the record straight. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK? nomination review request

Hello Medeis,

Could you please take a look at this DYK? nomination of mine if you are able to? -- Template:Did you know nominations/Urbanization in the United States. All you need to do is to approve the hook that I and BlueMoonset agreed upon and to check that I fixed everything that BlueMoonset last asked me to. Please let me know if you are able to do this. It should only take you several minutes, since BlueMoonset already did the checking for DYK? qualifications and whatnot. Thank you very much. Take care. Futurist110 (talk) 02:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

OK:

Here's the link for MA: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/cph-2-23.pdf

Here's the link for RI: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/cph-2-41.pdf

Here are the numbers for searching inside these reports:

4,808,339 for MA, 226,618 for RI

It says "Rhode Island 1" or "1 Rhode Island" on the bottom of the page. This is the page number, and it is the same for Massachusetts. It is Table 1 for both of them, so simply scroll down to the end of near the end, and if it says Table 10 or Table 20 or something, then simply go back until you reach Table 1 (the tables are in order, from 1, to 2, to 3, to 4, and so forth). I seriously hope that this helps. Futurist110 (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I support any changes that you made to this article of mine and I also fixed the pictures right now. Hopefully everything is good with this DYK? nomination of mine right now. Futurist110 (talk) 08:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I responded to you and BlueMoonset again right now. Futurist110 (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I responded to you again on my talk page. Futurist110 (talk) 01:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I've now proposed your ALT HOOK 9. Anyway, please comment and say (if it is okay with you) that you would approve of either ALT HOOK 6, ALT HOOK 8, or ALT HOOK 9. I'm fine with any of these hooks as well. Futurist110 (talk) 02:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I've responded to you again on my talk page. Futurist110 (talk) 02:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkbaclk

Further info on my talk page on something you wanted looked into. --Jayron32 01:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:EBERT listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:EBERT. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:EBERT redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). --Bongwarrior (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:EBERT essay

Hi Medeis,

This is a reminder to create the Wikipedia:Ebert Precedent essay. On a personal note, I understand your frustration at the blurb for Ebert. I agree that it was a mistake, but it was only a mistake. It happens. The way to "fix" this is to finally get some documented guidelines for RD up at WP:ITN/DC. I would be willing to try again at WT:ITN, but I got shouted down pretty brutally last time. --IP98 (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks

Nottruelosa (talk) 21:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

THanks. I cannot hold you resonsible for not knowing I am deadly allergic to kittlings, and only enjoy them cooked as General Tsao's Chicken. But it is certainly a cute, good faith picture. μηδείς (talk) 04:31, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Note

We might have yet another TimothyHere sock in Horatio Three Musketeers, or whatever his name is. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I am fairly certain that's why I suggested someone with a name similar to that might want to request a check-user on himself, given the nature of his concern. Suggest you talk to shadowjams or nil einne. μηδείς (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't notice this one btw. I've been trying to watch for timothy clones but this one I missed. The MO is different, but given the history a CU seems reasonable (especially if you make clear that there's a very specific geo region to these socks that should make a CU check very accurate). Shadowjams (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Song from South Africa

Hi Medeis,

I seem to remember that you mentioned somewhere that you speak some language from South Africa. I have an earworm (triggered by some song on a cd of one of my children) of a folk song from South Africa that I learned about thirty years ago in a church group. I remember the lyrics as starting with something like: "Svamand nkosi". It was sung very slowly and if I remember correctly as a canon. Does that ring any bell with you? All my efforts to find that song on youtube or to google anything meaningful have failed. A search with "nkosi" usually only brings up South Africa's national anthem. I'd appreciate your help - if at all possible.--Zoppp (talk) 22:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk response

Regarding this edit, I didn't read Jayron's explanation in the same "You dummy" sort of tone that you seem to have. I saw it as him just adding a bit of explanatory info about the building and its significance. Just my two cents... Dismas|^(talk) 02:40, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Qapla' in Rocky Horror

I figured I'd reply here instead of the Ref desk since time has gotten away from me in my reply to you. I was referring to the voice-over audio commentary track, which features Richard O'Brien and (an increasingly drunk) Patricia Quinn. Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hahaha! Yes, thanks, I would not have noticed at this point had you answered there. If you are a fan and buy Blu Rays this transfer is quite excellent. μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm quite a fan and I've been performing in RHPS shadow casts for many years. We haven't bought the Blu-Ray yet, mostly because we already have so many other versions (like the laser disc, which aren't even able to play!). Helene O'Troy - Et In Arcadia Ego Sum (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I just purchased a Blu-Ray playing computer. When the formatting is done right it is incredible. The Hobbit and Rocky Horror are truly beautiful. Unfortunately a lot of movies seem to be identical to the DVD version, like Helen Mirren in The Tempest (2010 film), or even VHS, as with Donnie Darko. My brother-in-law and I used to go weekly with friends. He knew people who did the floor show. I'll have to dragoon him to attend next time he's in town, or maybe after his kids come of age. μηδείς (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Medeis (a wonderful username) I am glad this thread is here. After taking part in the discussion that you started I took the opportunity to replace my lost DVD with the bluray of RHPS. In a fun coincidence it arrived today which is also Tim Curry's 67th birthday! So, of course, I had to put aside what I was going to do and pop it in the player. As Heleneotroy (another great username) says the mention is in the commentary track. O'Brien mentions that US audiences never understood the word hoopla. They then go to discuss the various meanings of the word and, at one point, they talk about its coming from the world of traveling carnivals. I was interested to find that the bluray contains the UK version as well as the US one. I don't know if there are any noticeable differences but I look forward to finding out. Well my reply here may be too late since you might have already listened to the commentary. But I feel that the whole thing is a delightful bit of serendipity as it might have been years til I replaced my DVD but for your question so I had to stop by and say thanks. With Dr Frank-n-Furter being 67 do you suppose he now wears support hose instead of fishnet stockings? OK a groaner I know but I couldn't resist. Cheers and have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 04:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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Excalibur

Hi

Your revert reintroduced peacocking [19].

I can see from the history of that article that there has been previous discussion on various issues, I am a neutral editor interested in ensuring POV remains neutral.

• one of the best-preserved surviving Norman castles
• a well-preserved Norman castles

The first statement, your reversion, says that there are some surviving Norman castles and out of those, this castle is one of the best-preserved.

The second statement, my change, says that it is a Norman castle that is well-preserved.

• The second statement makes no judgement as to the ranking of preservation compared to any other, the first states that it is in the "top 10" (for want of a better expression) of Norman castles.
• The first statement contains redundancy; it cannot be preserved if it does not survive. Therefore survive is redundant.
• If a challenge were to be made, it would be far easier to show is is well preserved, than trying to prove it's ranking amongst those that are still surviving.
• The first statement is peacocking as it implies it is "one of the best", but provides no evidence of this. It may well be one of the top 3 in Ireland, but perhaps not so high compared to the whole of Europe.

Hope this clarifies why I undid your revert. I realise that you may well think that there are other issues once you have read the changes I made after you reverted (I had already started before you reverted the previous one, and only saved it and found your reversion upon saving.

Hopefully we can discuss any issues on the talk page there. At present the plot is 1,100+ and I cannot really see how much could be removed to get it down to 900ish, let alone the 700 recommended, so would rather leave as is. Consensus between a few of us should be enough as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Plot

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 04:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I am going to revert you so that this shows up on my live sheet, then go to sleep.  I will then either revert my own revert, or give my reason again, and withdraw.

I understand that, but you reverted all my edits, not just that one unfortunately. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:17, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Request

Please, I was wondering if you can delete the entire section I post on the reference desk. Reply at my talk page please. Thanks Miss Bono (zootalk) 18:48, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Eurasiatic languages

Thanks for your helpful edits to Eurasiatic languages. Making/keeping that article neutral is a real chore and I appreciate any help I can get. (For the record, I find the existing critiques of Pagel to be rather lame and hope to replace them if/when real (peer reviewed) critiques come out. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:58, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. If you are interested in the topic and haven't read Michael Fortescue's Language Relations Across Bering Straight you should. I don't endorse it (or Greenberg), but it's the most in-depth and rigorous study of the topic of which I am aware. As for the article, I am a little concerned at the over-criticism of Greenberg. Most of his critics insist on a strict reconstruction, which he does not provide, but does not pretend to provide, either. Few of his critics claim his general hypothesis is actually false, which one might assume if he's not not aware of the subtleties. μηδείς (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

I am new to the topic, so I will certainly check out the book you recommend. I don't doubt that many linguists accept the plausibility of Eurasiatic (and other superfamilies); the tricky part is nailing down some actual evidence. I certainly plan to include those who support Greenberg's conclusion as I expand the article (slowly over time). --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:42, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Of course Eurasiatic is plausible on the face of it. (But then, so are some competing proposals.) Even Proto-Human is plausible a priori. We'd all love if someone managed to prove it (as in "making it really highly credible", at least). Every historical linguist constantly curses factors such as chance similarities, contact (not only Wanderwörter), analogical changes, Lallwörter (elementary similarities and coincidences of the "mama/papa" type), poor/wrong data, taboo word replacement, and many more problems I forget, which throw various wrenches into our attempts to reconstruct back more than a few millennia (and even that is damn difficult – I still marvel at the sheer daringness of the Austronesian–Ongan proposal, but even more at how intriguing the evidence is). Chance alone means you need more than a few dozens of convincing cognates to make any long-range proposal believable. It's not that we're "haters" – it's not that we don't want to believe. We're all on the same side. Every historical linguist idly dreams of a time machine. We hate being so sceptical, we really do; but we've got excellent, maddeningly compelling reasons for it.

Perhaps an analogy is in order. There's this starry-eyed kid who tries to build a faster-than-light spaceship, but there is a problem which is obvious to every expert. It's not about whether FTL space travel is possible in principle, but the concrete way this kid has gone about to construct their vessel. The kid knows too little about physics and chemistry and engineering and statics, and experts can tell that by the laws of physics, not only is this concrete design not going to work, worse: it's going to kill the person (most likely the kid themselves) entering the vessel at take-off because it will explode instead. So experts who warn the kid are just overly sceptical killjoys and spoilsports and should instead encourage and praise the kid for its visionary invention?

Linguistics is of course different because there is usually no risk of harm associated with believing in false or insufficiently supported hypotheses as such. However, the methodical principles that make natural scientists reject hypotheses and engineers reject designs are similar, and ultimately based on the same logical principles and scholarly ethics. Just because the real-world consequences are less serious (there can also be more subtle consequences, I just chose a drastic example to illustrate the principle) does not mean you should throw all these methodological rules and rules of academic conduct out of the window and praise any slightly plausible conjecture just for the sake of not appearing as hyper-sceptical. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Joyce Brothers

Hi Medeis,

First, thanks for all the work you put into that article. I'm admittedly not very good at that, and fail to add coherent updates to my own noms. I'll also say that I've not read the large discussion at ITN/C (TL:DR). I know that sometimes it feels like you're being deliberately antagonized. My last user is buried at the gates of Jerusalem, so I know how heated discussions can get. It's really best to just take a break, and live to fight another day.

Cheers,

--IP98 (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Have I added something inappropriate somewhere? You will notice there is no emotional language anywhere in my edits. Or if there is, please let me know? μηδείς (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Nope, you're good. I'm just giving you some food for thought, that maybe it isn't that big of a deal. I'm totally uninvolved in this one. --IP98 (talk) 21:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd rather you state elsewhere that I have done no wrong than here. μηδείς (talk) 22:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Joyce Brothers Closure

Hi Medeis. As you were someone with interest in the Joyce Brothers RD nomination, I wanted to let you know that I have closed the Joyce Brothers nomination as 'no consensus to post'; you can see my rationale at the nomination closing statement. Nonetheless, I'd like to thank you for the work you put into improving the article. Best, Spencer^T♦C 04:40, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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continuing

Having been hatted by an admin here, after this discussion, he follows me to criticize this page where he was not active. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Note2

Monteithh (talk · contribs) Looks like yet another sock of Timothyhere (talk · contribs). The usual fascination with Jeffrey Dahmer and the like. I reported him to AIV, but it's probably going to need another SPI. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:31, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Blocked. Other socks? Who knows? We'll darn 'em when they make themselves obvious. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspected this when I saw it ended in eith with repeated letters. Not very creative. μηδείς (talk) 15:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Or deliberately leaving that clue to see who was paying attention. Trolls will do that sometimes. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk2

The ref desk nannies are looking for scapegoats now. (Although Jayron, as usual, is the voice of reason.) And they've not considered this point: if they ban us from the ref desk, they'll have to find somebody else to yell at. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:06, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Medeis, I guess the above notification shows that you are already aware of the discussion. Please do drop by and add balance by giving your side. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 17:29, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation tags

While I appreciate your dedication to proper sourcing, I think your approach to scattering {{cn}} tags to nearly every sentence in Henry Morgentaler (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is unproductive and verges on disruptive tag-bombing. I'm trying, thus far unsuccessully, to come up with a good-faith rationale for this. Are you questioning whether he was born in Lodz? Or what his parents' names were? Both items are supported by the New York Times obituary, cited one sentence on. Did you read that source and fail to see that it supports the content? Help me out here, because I'm getting frustrated. MastCell ^Talk 19:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This is very simple. New claims when they are mentioned, like Lodz, need referencing. If the NYT covers this, then addd teh ref name "NYT" or whatever it is named tag. This article is nominated for the front page. It has to be fully referenced. (IT has to be fully referenced in any case.) And the only solution is adding the cites. μηδείς (talk) 19:41, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, we agree on that. So please help add the cites, rather than just flagging the work for other people to do. How about this: before you tag something, spend 30 seconds checking to see if the fact is referenced in the New York Times obit or the CBC obit. If yes, add a link to the source. If no, then tag away to your heart's content. Does that sound reasonable? Because it would head off about 50% of the tags you've been placing and probably improve the editing environment as well. MastCell ^Talk 19:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, now this is just purely counterproductive and disruptive. We don't need a citation after every single sentence. No article on Wikipedia is written that way. No featured article is written that way. One citation can cover a few sentences' worth of info, particularly uncontroversial info like birthplace and parental names. I'm going to ask that you revert yourself there, or else I'm going to ask for input from WP:AN/I, because I'm getting frustrated and having a really hard time understanding how you believe that what you're doing is productive or helpful. MastCell ^Talk 19:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Some much deserved recognition

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		You have strong opinions about what is right and what is not, and you take a lot of crap for your opinions. Although I often disagree with you, I admire you for sticking to your convictions in the face of criticism. That said, you are also fair and willing to reconsider when presented with good evidence. For all these reasons, I hereby give you this barnstar ThaddeusB (talk) 03:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. You tear (rhymes with beer) me up. I am from years of abuse a huge bitch; yet still always a bitch in good faith. The occasional recognition is greatly appreciated. μηδείς (talk) 03:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Ref desk

Hi, I already commented earlier on Steve Baker's talkpage regarding the why some references would be a plus. It helps prevent inadequate answers that can result in too much debate. If you want others to do better, it would help to walk the talk and set an example [by providing a reference with answers such as this [20]]. I removed my pointless metatalk[21] and I would hope you would replace your "this is desks at "its worse" [22] with more constructive remark(s). Thanks and cheers, I do enjoy reading many of your posts. --Modocc (talk) 02:18, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Your restoration at RD/S

I see that you restored your personal attack, i.e. "a one-purpose ref desk spammer", which I consider unwise and disruptive. I won't edit war with you, so I will leave it at that. -- Scray (talk) 23:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Since you asked why I would say this was a personal attack, here's the second sentence of the lead paragraph in the WP:NPA policy: "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Clearly, name-calling is to be avoided. So, you should delete the clause beginning, "...showing he's a ...". -- Scray (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I edited it but left the fact he's a one-purpose account. μηδείς (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

huh

idk w u sayin!?Harmonywriter (talk) 03:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

whered it go it aint on the thang no more i wanted to know what the verdict wasHarmonywriter (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

ITN for Esther Williams

--Spencer^T♦C 20:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Damn, that was quick! Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 20:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying... :P Spencer^T♦C 20:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nicholas Roerich

Curious why you deleted 50k material from Nicholas Roerich in the difference citing NPOV as reason and mean time dropped some excellent pictures, categories and reduced the number of references from 54 to 4. The Legend of Zorro 13:35, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Roerich is one of my favorite artists and article. Much of the text I deleted was poorly written (perhaps promotional material translated from the Russian) that amounted to puffery or could not be verified and so forth. The pictures were deleted by others after it was decided that they were still under copyright protection. If you have more concerns, address them at that page's talk page. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

You deleted at least two high quality images which were neither copyright violations nor puffery ( see above). Also you removed all mentions of his Awards (given by Russuian Government). I have restored the previous 70k version in my user space and will work on it. Thank you. The Legend of Zorro 15:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but don't comment here again. People working on that page won't see what you've written here. Comment on the article's talk page. I suggest you consider either a separate article or a collapsible section for the awards, and only the major ones (ones other famous people have won.) μηδείς (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

The article could have better if you selectively remove puffery but unfortunately you reverted to pre User:Deodarvostok version without assesing the article. A good faith advice that if you are reverting series of edits then try to retain the good edits because the burden falls on you. Re: No more discussion on this issue on your talk. The Legend of Zorro 16:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I discussed the edits I made at the time with another user, but it my have been on his or my talk page. This is a rather old matter, and I find your wanting to blame me for the article a bit off putting. I suggest you ignore what may have happened, and focus on what you want to happen. You will not find me difficult. μηδείς (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. The article is now a complete mess now. I will try to at least reference it through google books. The Legend of Zorro 16:47, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

ITN credit

ThaddeusB (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Substantially is a relative term, though! μηδείς (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

to do test

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Three questions

• 1. What is your problem with my not being a newbie?
• 2. What do you mean "drama"?
• 3. How do you expect me to behave or "end the drama"?

I hope that you answer these questions. I am interested to hear your responses. I have to say that I know and have used Wikipedia since 2007 or 2006. To be honest, I have made contributions with this account and with various IP addresses. I do recall that I have once asked you a question about your username (not sure if I used a public or home computer), and you replied with the Greek origins of your name. I also asked at that time if you were Greek Orthodox, out of curiosity because I know that many modern-day Greeks don't really worship the ancient Greek gods anymore, and you replied no. That user was me. Sneazy (talk) 23:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with people not being newbies. But when your first edits imply a long edit history and a pattern of asking debate arousing questions (and questions you know are not requests for references) it implies you are a banned previous user. Drama is just that, trying to start a public debate on the talk page rather than bringing up a specific act here on my talk page which you are questioning. How I expect you to behave is, hopefully, to ask good questions and give good answers and abstain from inciting debate or asking for opinion. That is all on the ref desk guidelines and is nothing personal. As I said on the RD talk page, I reserve the right not to hold grudges and to treat you as perfectly reasonable when you are. I look forward to it--you do ask and say a lot of helpful and interesting stuff. :) μηδείς (talk) 23:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I disagree with the "banned user" comment. As a matter of fact, my first account is User: Coffsneeze. At that point in time, I was mainly interested in coloring.com, neopets.com, and wikipedia.org, making edits too. I also got an account on the Simple English Wikipedia by the same name. At the time, you actually had to make a new account; it wasn't automatic as it is today. Now, I lost it, because I don't remember the password of that account, and that account is no way connected to any e-mail address. At that time, I also met JackOfOz, and frankly, I'm quite surprised that he's still alive. All others on the Reference Desks seem to be somewhat new and unrecognizable. I made this account in reminiscence of my former account that I can no longer retrieve due to forgotten password and no e-mail address. Why didn't you just tell me about your concerns of my behavior on my talk page instead of inviting me on your talk page? We could have resolved this issue a lot sooner. :P

By the way, what are the things of mine that you have found helpful and interesting? Sneazy (talk) 01:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't really keep track, I just have an internal barometer that says "has been a pain in the ass on some things, has been interesting on others." It does actually surprise me that certain people do keep track of specific perceived slights, or that people decide once offended that nothing you ever do in the future will have merit or be defensible. So, sorry, I can't think of the last thing you said that I found problematic or helpful, but I will mention the next thing.

As for coffsneeze, no idea who that is. Ah, I was just about to say that I think that among others your religious questions are almost always borderline problematic as not treatable as reference questions, and usually obvious, if, say, you use google or actually call your local rabid/pastor/priest/monster. (And other stuff I haven't kept a list of does come across as blatant trolling. I think the response to your ref desk talk post makes it clear I am not the only one with such an opinion.) But that reminds me you asked a dumb provocative religious question a week or two back and had some excellent insights as follow-ups.

Well, bottom line is, I don't decide people are evil and then judge all their future acts only through that lens. Like I said, I'll tell you the next time you impress me, and will keep quiet unless there's some reason not to.

I am not a huge fan of talk page correspondence, so if you have a last question.... In the future, also, feel free to complain or question if you have reason. I hope this will be the start of a long and beautiful friendship. μηδείς (talk) 02:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

You are actually surprised, huh? I have observed that I can be very conscientious about my online reputation and real life reputation. To be honest, I really don't know why. I just know how people are feeling by the expression of their words online or subtle behavior offline, and when people in an online community express disapproval of what I say or do, I feel a sudden pang of shame and guilt. When I say or do something that I regret, I would feel utter remorse and try to think of ways that would make the other person think better of me. I am very conscientious about "saving face". It's actually a phrase on Wikipedia! On the Internet, other people would say, "Oh, it's the Internet" or "don't worry about your online reputation". In real life, other people would say, "Live and let live" or "do whatever you want". I never really got the logic behind that mindset.

I figure that I would stick to academic and scholarly questions. Though, to be honest, I once asked this question, and apparently, some people thought that the topic was too deep or broad.

Well, at least I know what is bothering you all this time, and I'd try to keep your concerns in mind. Sneazy (talk) 03:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree with about all that you have said. But coming to a static abstract conclusion is a grave mistake. WP is very determinative in this, since there exist only edits identifiable by diffs. One has to begin with a diff that shows a wictim. Only than can civil interests become involved. μηδείς (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what you have just said with all that jargon. Sneazy (talk) 05:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

DeHoopAntoin220

I gather you know some Russian. Do you think this guy is sincere, or just a troll? I'm thinking the latter, but I could be wrong. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

The Russian is obscure, slightly misspelt, seems like poetry, if not gibberish, and makes third person comments about unspecified subjects. The Dutch amounts to an apparently misspelt question about Snowden that if it makes any sense should be removed as NOTFORUM. "De Hoop" means "the hope" if that's a clue. μηδείς (talk) 17:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I did, in fact, remove his comments from that one talk page, figuring it had no place there. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Further on the R&I video

Unfortunately the conversation on the ref desk seemed to be taken over by anti-racist leftists. Since you seemed to be the only sane centrist there, if it is not too much trouble, can you give me further info on what you thought on the video and especially if a equalitarian type of government can work (the video suggested otherwise.) Thanks.

Were there a further question I might answer, but I am not interested in debating or inciting further debate. μηδείς (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't want a debate just you answer to the above question. Thanks for your time.

Reply to your replies on the reference desk

I just wanted to reply to the last two comments that you made here. I'm from New England, since you were curious about where two of Rand's books would be assigned in high school. Although my question "fourth-year undergraduate education", I'm a freshman studying for a science degree. — Melab±1 ☎ 02:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

That's reasonable. I double majored in science and philosophy as an undergrad. I'll repeat my suggestion you read Rand's Romantic Manifesto and the two books on the Art of Writing. Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology is perhaps the hardest book I have ever read--or, at least, I had to read it twice. μηδείς (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ref Desk Issue

I saw your comment there and I wanted to ask you if I am that unwanted around there? Please, reply in my talk page, or leave a talkback. Thanks and sorry the bother. Ms.Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Cuando me lo preguntes en tu nativo castellano te respondo. μηδείς (talk) 03:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Vi tu comentario en el escritorio de referencias y quería preguntarte si no soy deseada allí. por favor, responde en mi página de discusión o dejame un talkback. Gracias y disculpa las molestias. Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 13:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you going to reply? Vas a responder? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 18:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Estaba divertiendome ahora. Iba a responderte cuando habia cenado. Pero brevemente, el problema nunca reside en la persona, pero en sus acciones. Tu pones demasiadios preguntas, preguntas simples cuyas respuestas habrias facilmente descubierto si las hubieras buscado tu mismo en Google. Preguntas que buscan opiniones o preguntas subjectivas para que no hay referencias a proveer. La misma pregunta varias veces en la misma pagina. Todo eso es lo que hace un internet troll. Se que no estas confundido en esto. Algunos te han dicho que no me escuches. Pero son un minoridad que no van a darte problemas con nada. Hay otros que no van a tratarte tn suavamente cuando se hayan puesto arto con estes tipos de malas costumbres. Pa que sepas, no tengo problema contigo personalmente. Pero eso no quiere decir que voy a abstenerme de decirte bullshit cuando se merezca. μηδείς (talk) 19:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Supongo que usaste Google para traducir lo que comentaste, cometiste unos cuantos errores gramaticales. Para tu información personal, no tengo acceso a Google, foros o cualquier otra fuente donde puedan responderme las preguntas que hago, si no hubiera ido a Google. Las preguntas no las hago en la misma página, unas en la sección de entretenimiento y otras en la miscelánea, pues no obtengo respuesta alguna. Lo que deberías haber hecho desde el principio era explicarme que lo que hago es una mala costumbre y no burlarte, pues si te habrás dado cuenta no soy ningún Troll de la Internet ni pretendo serlo. Por favor, no utilices más la expresión Pa que sepas, suena como si estuvieras amenazando. Trata de ser más condescendiente con los nuevos (como yo) que no están acostumbrados a las reglas del Escritorio de Referencias. Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 19:59, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Mis errores son mios, aprendi Espanol en la calle, no la escuela ni de mi madre. (Si hubiera usado Google, habrias visto las tildes, no?) Ya sabes lo que nos molesta, y no solo a mi. Aun que no seas troll (espero que no) son las acciones que importan. Y pa que sepas, nadie me ha nunca dicho que esta frase fuera amenaza! μηδείς (talk) 20:17, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, ya veo. Amenaza no fue la mejor palabra. Tú estás enojado conmigo? Por alguna razón, el tono en tu respuesta me lo dio a entender. Por favor, no tomes mi conducta como algo hecho a postas, son errores de novatos, que con una buena explicación. Ahora sé que dirigirme al Ref desk de entretenimiento es en vano, pero si hago mis preguntas en el Misc. me dicen que no es el lugar apropiado. Algún consejo? Podemos hacer las paces? Te tengo que tratar como ella o como él? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Por la ultima puta vez! No estoy enojad contigo! (Chisteando). Hay dos cosas. Cuando la pregunta sea claramente sobre entratenemiento, debe ser localizado en entertainment. A veces no te dan respuestas porque no saben la respuesta o porque la piensan demasiado vaga, o que no merezca respuesta por otra cosa. La otra cosa es que nunca debe ser mas de una copia de una pregunta por una vez entre todas las paginas de referencia. En el futuro, cuando hayas preguntado algo y ha pasado una semana podras preguntarla otra vez en otra pagina. μηδείς (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Gracias Medeis... Please, can you sign my Guestbook? Puedes usar el Español o el Inglés... Incluso el Irlandés ;)... No dijistes si eras un él o una ella. Great userpage btw! and you have a good street Spanish :) Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, pues, aqui no me identifico como mujer u hombre porque he tenido problemas con eso en el pasado. (Alguien me buscaba fuera de wikipedia como stalker.) A mi no mimporta como me tratas con tal que me tutees. Pa que sepas, mi nombre medeis quiere decir "nadie" en griego. μηδείς (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Uf, eso debió ser terrible (lo del stalker). Sorry about that. Qué Español aprendiste?... tu forma de escribir se parece mucho al argot cubano (no mimporta y pa que sepas). Ya te dejé el link a mi guestbook feel free to sign it anytime. Y per request :) te tutearé, pero... no prefieres hablar Inglés? Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 20:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Lo mejor parte de mi familia es Ruso, ningun Latino. Hasta que tenia 4 annos yo vivia en Puerto Rico y Texas donde trabajaba mi padre. Cuando me mude al Norte se me olvido hablar espannol hasta que fui a trabajar con Mexicanos como teenager. Y cuando sali de la universidad fui a vivir en Nueva York donde he pasado mas que veinte annos con los Dominicanos. Una vez cuando tenia como veinte annos conoci un muchacho de Mexico en una barra aqui en los EEUU que me pregunto donde yo vivia en Oaxaca. Fue por mi accento; no he nunca visitado a Mexico. A veces digo algo un poco extranno. Estudie frances y aleman en la escuela. A veces cuando no se o no puedo recordarme una palabra en espannol me pregunto como se dice en frances e intento traducirla o convertirla de frances. Por eso, una vez estaba con unos amigos Mexicanos en el parque (hace 25 annos). Tenia sed, y seguia diciendo, quiero agua, que me digan si veen una fontana....donde esta la fontana? (Fue porque en frances se llama la fontaine) Despues de mas que una hora alguien dijo "aqui esta la fuente. Le pege el brazo y le dije, pendejo, como voy a mejorar mi espannol cuando tienen verguenza de corregirme? μηδείς (talk) 00:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Es una historia graciosa. Eres un experto en idiomas. cuando yo sea mayor quiero ser como tú. Gracias por tu firma :) Y Go U2! :) Miss Bono^(zootalk)☆ 11:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Explaining

I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 00:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• Okay, so basically an automated message typical for new pages. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 00:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

First line of defence

Hi, Medeis.

One of the problems I have with your approach to human communication is how you tend to respond to any issues others raise about your actions. Your first line of defence is usually "What on earth are you talking about?" or similar. That is a flat-out denial of what the other editor is saying. But worse; it's like saying "Your point is so logically absurd that I can't believe you're making it in good faith". That is, you're more-or-less suggesting there's some other agenda at work. And then you go on to talk about how whatever you've posted was in good faith. That is, you assert your own good faith but covertly and without any evidence deny it of others. It's a total lack of respect towards the other. That, anyway, is how I receive statements like "What on earth are you talking about?".

Wouldn't it be better to respond in a way that actually acknowledges (or at least does not deny) that the other, whoever they are, has a legitimate concern that they have every right to raise, and is acting in good faith? That is, unless you have clear and objective evidence that that is not the case? It's fine to disagree with whatever point they're making, and it's fine to defend your actions, but it's not fine to suggest that a point has no intrinsic merit and it therefore proceeds from something else such as personal bias against you. You may feel a level of insecurity and the need to defend yourself from perceived enemies, but that does not equate to random others actually being your enemies.

My sole concern at the Ref Desks is always to ensure they work harmoniously and effectively. If that means shining the spotlight on a particular editor's actions, so be it. I can't speak for others, but my spotlight is always, always on someone's actions, never on them personally. And it works in reverse, too; I've had a decent number of spotlights shone on my actions by others. I can't say I particularly like being shown up as wrong; it's embarrassing and uncomfortable for a know-all like me. But I never feel that I am personally being disrespected in such exchanges.

Maybe have a think about it. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to write this. I am still, frankly, surprised, that you thought I was trying to insult the OP in the last matter at the ref desk. But I do accept you are acting in good faith, even if I think you may be a bit over-sensitized, and should not always view everything I say in the light of my previously have disagreed with you on other matters. Thanks for the outreach. μηδείς (talk) 22:23, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for acknowledging my good faith. I have not denied yours in this matter. I have never said you were "trying to insult the OP". But sometimes, we can cause offence without meaning to. To allay your surprise, let me see if I can explain my position a little more clearly and then this can go to the rest home it yearns for.

The OP did not say they "actually like" IMdB. On the contrary, they said they've "grown disenchanted with it". They went to the point of explicitly stating they were not giving their reasons. The entire point - the entire point - of their coming to the Ref Desk was to find another site that gives similar information. If they wanted to resolve their issues with IMdB, they would have asked for precisely that. It's like when an OP asks a question, and says they are not interested in anyone's opinions but solely in published references, and the first respondent starts out "I think ...".

Look, I appreciate you were trying to be helpful, for what that's worth. But don't you see how misguided such attempts can sometimes be, when you meander completely away from the point and try to second guess the OP and answer not what they've asked but what you believe they're really asking, or what you believe they need to know even if they didn't ask for it. There's zero evidence the OP wants to resolve their issues – whatever they are – with IMdB. There's zero evidence the issue has anything what(so)ever to do with spying. But even if that were the OP's real reason for asking the question, can't you see that just barking commands at them ("Disable cookies and continue to use IMDB") is really, really, really rude? And can't you see that statements like "It's not like they're the NSA or something" are offensive, patronising and down-putting? The first rule of good writing is to put yourself in the reader's shoes. It's curious how, in the act of trying to be empathetically helpful at one level, we can exhibit an amazing lack of empathy at another. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 23:59, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

I do take your point. The NSA comment was meant sincerely if lightheartedly--I do know people who have fears of which that's an exaggeration. And the actually like IMDb part was in response to you, not part of my original statement to the OP. You'll also note that I took your concern seriously, and expanded my original post to make it less abrupt before I was aware you'd started a talk page thread. At this point the OP has posted again on the same page and not complained about my response. In any case, like I said I will apologize to him if he expresses upset. -Me(deis) μηδείς (talk) 00:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Restoring duplicate contents

Much of the contents in everclear article you put back in is duplicate was duplicate spanning across multiple articles. The state-by-state law thing is addressed in rectified spirit and the other user's suggestion "add see also" should have been considered. You also introduced garbage spam doorway page which is WP:ELNO and not WP:RS. Why? Cantaloupe2 (talk) 23:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Miguel Treviño Morales

Hi, Medeis. Do you think I should add "reported", "alleged", or "supposed" ... former Mexican drug lord to the intro of the article? I'm thinking of doing it but thought I should get a second opinion from you before jumping to it. Gracias, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I am loath to get involved in the article, too much on my plate as it is. I am short on the facts. If he himself has claimed the title no qualification is necessary in the lead. (NO one at ITN has suggested he has claimed the title.) If the police have called him that, then alleged is standard. If the press have called him that, or others have, they should be named in the article body ({{WP:ATTRIBUTE]]) and then "reported" can be used in the lead. "Supposed" is no good, we don't do supposition in BLP's. If it is both alleged by police and reported by the press then alledged is better as it is the more specific term and official action. μηδείς (talk) 00:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I added "alleged" to the intro. I might just go back and double check other articles and add the word alleged too... Good day, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Tienes un mensaje, Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Chequea mi talk page. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:06, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Otro mensaje :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:34, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Gracias por el mensaje. Ya entendí. See you later alligator :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the book recommendation

Thanks. I've already known about the book's existence. I'm partly familiar with Ayn Rand's history of philosophy (Kant → Hegel → Marx → everything bad in the 21st cetury) and I'm skeptical of the way she impugned Immanuel Kant, though I understand how one might see a connection between him and postmodernism. The forum that I mentioned here actually has quite a few Objectivist scholars on it. One of them is a bit more positive about Kant. — Melab±1 ☎ 19:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

The interesting thing is, Hicks doesn't have to push the Randian point, it's all right there in the other philosopher's own words. I do find her Kant bashing offputting, largely since it is obsessive and unsupported in her own works. Bad press like that (hers for Kant) makes you sympathize with the one being attacked. (I also think Hicks gets Nietzsche wrong to a large extent.) I just finished reading Hick's book last month. If you have not actually read it is actually very good, not something I say just because of my Randian sympathies. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Random "Talk: you have new messages" messages?

After someone left me a real talk page message, I stopped getting the fake thing. Perhaps this message will resolve the problem for you as it did for me. Might help if you'd report at VPT what happens after you get this message, especially if the fakes continue. Nyttend (talk) 22:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

That's weird I got two real messages and only one talk notification. But it does seem to have stopped thanks. μηδείς (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

OMG! OMG OMG! OMG MOMG OMG! What is this? Can I stop freaking out? (Thanks.)

If you don't want to add to the drama, there is no need to comment. Thanks. --Onorem (talk) 22:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

One can have a little fun panic every once in a while. μηδείς (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Sección borrada

Si es posible, necesito que me des tu opinion en una sección que yo misma borré del Ref Desk, buescala en la Historia. Post it in my talk. As they said, that's not a question for the Ref Desk, but I want some opinion. I need to solve a problem in my novel :) Thanks in advance. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 16:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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Dejé un mensaje para ti en mi Talk page! POr favor, no envíes ningún correo. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Estas por ahi??? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 12:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Nixon?

Hi Medeis. You just renamed the redirect Mason-Dixon line to "Mason–Nixon line". The article was already in the right place (Mason–Dixon line), so I have reverted the inadvertent tribute to Tricky Dick. :) Favonian (talk) 19:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

... and Charles Manson?? Is this what you consider a plausible misspelling? Favonian (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Henry the Hexapus

Perhaps English is not your native language, but in any case "tourist" is not, in any way, at any time, in any place or under any circumstances a "racist" description. It can be used pejoratively, but that depends entirely on the situation and how it is used. To describe a person who is a resident of one country who is vacationing or having a holiday in another country as a "tourist" is perfectly acceptable. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:26, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

I am fine with your using vacationer. (Using "tourist" to hide the fact he's a Greek in Greece is indeed reverse racism--but "vacationer" is fine. μηδείς (talk) 01:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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El Manantial

No pude encontrar el libro. Parece más difícil de lo que pensé :'( Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:30, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

La autor (si se puede decir "la autor"?) Ayn Rand es Rusa que nacio antes de la revolucion comunista. Mudo a los EUU durante la tirania de Stalin y escribio tres novelas, Los que vivimos, una autobiografia ficcionalizda de que se adopciono dos peliculas italianas: "Noi Vivi" y "Addio Kira", y las novelas que ya te he recomendido, El manantial, y La rebelion de atlas. Son muy conocidas como anticomunistas. Pero la politica no es lo que importa con esas novelas. Son muy romanticos con argumentos muy complejos y divirtiendos sobre el amor y las relaciones humanas. Cuando te guste Stranger in a Strange Land, ellas te van a placer mas. μηδείς (talk) 19:45, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Entiendo. No, se dice la autora :)... Tendré que darme por vencida en encontrar los libros. Dime algo; tienes conocimiento de cómo nominar un Portal a Featured Portal? he estado mejorándolo. Qué te parece? Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

No, no se nada de portales. Hay que preguntar a "help" or "ref desks". Intentas a leer toda la novela "Stranger"? μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

estoy en eso. Cuando el trabajo me lo permite. llego muy cansada a casa. Cuando lo termine te lo harésaber. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:11, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Y que tu haces de trabajo? μηδείς (talk) 20:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Trabjo como informatica :) hasta que haga las pruebas para entrar a estudiar sociologia en la universidad de la habana Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

meaning

Thanks for pointing out the best answer. I have a doubt; what's the Spanish for The question draws sympathy? Thanks again. Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 19:31, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Technoquat

HELLO! Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in this Sockpuppet investigation (not as a sockpuppet yourself!) - and it looks like something you might be into watchlisting anyway. Horatio Snickers (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

CA3's block

This section and the links it contains should answer your question. Sorry if my hatting at RD/S was frustrating, but that is the wrong place to discuss this. -- Scray (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

This is relevant, too. It really was a remarkable, protracted slide into surrealism. It's hard to convey how frustrating it was at the time. I agree that knowing about this helps one understand folks' reaction in current context. If you want to see more, just search for the user's name (quite distinctive) and "spelling" or "apostrophe" - there's plenty in the archives. -- Scray (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't mind the hatting. I've had a certain user try to correct my grammar often enough it was fun to yank his chain a bit. And not that I am really interested in wading into that tarpit, but I assume there must be a lot more since then to justify the continuing block. Looking at his contribuitions, CA3 he was a way-above-average contributor. μηδείς (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

CA3 was a great contributor in some ways; however, sustained disruption combined with WP:IDHT can sink anyone. The contributions delayed but didn't prevent the fall - very sad. -- Scray (talk) 01:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Kind of Talkback :)

You got message on my talk :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 20:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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You have a lot of nerve

Trolling? Do you think that I’m an idiot? How was I trolling? Is asking sexual questions trolling? Did it cross your mind for a nanosecond that I may not have been trolling? Is there a sliver of consideration in your brain that you might be paranoid? You are really pissing me off. If wanted to troll, then I’d go to a chan board. --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Diff [23]. μηδείς (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea why you would think that I was advocating rape. If you knew me, you would know that I never advocate any sexual abuse under any circumstances. You still haven’t explained anything, you are just being annoyingly arrogant. Look at my contributions: do they look like something a typical troll would make? Please unlock the discussion. --66.190.69.246 (talk) 23:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You are just so obnoxiously sure of yourself, aren't you? --66.190.69.246 (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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Humanities ref desk

I'm intending to delete that entire sermon, plus your brief response. If you disagree, feel free to add it back. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:38, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Feel free. μηδείς (talk) 00:47, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles

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In popular culture sections

You do realize that we don't allow popular culture items to be cited to primary sources, right? The pop culture reference must be significant enough to have been discussed in a third-party reference in the context of the subject of the article it is being placed in. That's how we make sure that they are notable references and avoid accumulating long list of trivia, which this is.

See WP:IPC for details. Yworo (talk) 19:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Wrong, that's an essay, not a policy. The policy is that the article must be notable enough to be recognized in secondary or tertiary sources. Separate parts of the article require only sources, which may be primary. μηδείς (talk) 20:19, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

And policy says we don't use primary sources. The essay is based on existing policy and is absolutely correct about how it should be applied. The main question to answer is, How does the addition of an item enhance our understanding of the subject of the article. If that can't be answered, it's trivia. So tell me, how do those pieces of trivia enhance our understanding of "Kilroy was here" rather than just being random details about "other stuff"? Yworo (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope, you're wrong. We don't allow the accumulation of pointless trivia under "In popular culture" sections. Yworo (talk) 22:18, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My argument has not changed. The quality of the sourcing is how we tell whether a reference is significant vs trivial. Yworo (talk) 22:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My talk page

Please don't repost messages I've removed from my talk page. It's rude. And against WP:TALK. I noted that I had read it in my removal, and that's more than you are entitled to. Yworo (talk) 22:27, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Again, please don't restore messages I have removed from my talk page. See WP:OWNTALK. "Users may freely remove comments from their own talk pages". You can be blocked for breaking 3RR on my talk page, and I will report it if you do not stop. Piss off. Yworo (talk) 22:33, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Olnly

Hi Medeis.

I read your recent comment that you pronounce "only" as "olnly". I've known a few people who do this, and I'm always left wondering why they go out of their way to make it harder for themselves than is necessary.

In a building I once worked in, we had regular fire drills and practice evacuations, and the warden would announce over the PA system beforehand that it was "a fire drill olnly". Nobody ever knew her name, but she became known as "Ms Olnly".

So, I'm wondering if you can enlighten me why you do this? Was it the way your parents spoke, for example? Cheers. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:18, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I have to assume it is my native Delaware Valley or South Jersey dialect. I will see if I can elicit a pronunciation form my family without them being self-conscious. I suspect they say the same thing. It would be a form of phonetic assimilation caused by anticipation of the /l/ phoneme, which shares more characteristics with /o/ than it does with /i/. For example, Belgrade is actually Beograd in Serbian. I actually remember being shocked to learn that "uninted" was spelt "united". Have you ever heard the prior form? μηδείς (talk) 21:24, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

No, not really. It reminds me of "annointed". How old were you before you realised you were not a citizen of the "Uninted States"? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:09, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I've never heard anyone use "olnly" or "uninted". I would wonder about the quality of their education, if I had, that neither family nor school ever corrected them. Bielle (talk) 03:04, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I graduated 6th out of 500, got an 1800 SAT. I think the pronunciations are part of the South Jersey dialect, since no one has ever corrected me--although I have had New Yorkers correct me for saying "farhead" for "forehead" which is typical of the Philly area. (Whereas New Yorkers say "foward" instead of "forward".) μηδείς (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

@ Jack, It would have been the third grade, since we hadn't studied cursive yet, but I remember actually being shocked, as the word was something I thought I already knew properly. I turned nine in the middle of the term. Sad to say this is the only thing I remember of Mrs. Hatton's class. Of course, I dated a girl I met when I was 20 who said "nucular" and, ... "pixture." Yes, 18 and she said "pixture". But she was the valedictorian of the Catholic school my sister went to. μηδείς (talk) 03:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

You should of [sic] aksed [sic] her if she reconised [sic] she was talking wrong [sic].  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 03:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh, God. Yes, she also said aksed. Her mother was cultured, but her father was a drunken Irish lout, which I say olnly because he was a drunken Irish lout. He was convinced the Beatles, as Brits, were involved in the assassination of Kennedy. We dated for ten years--a really sweet girl once she started talking proper. μηδείς (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't challenging the quality of your education; after all, I have never heard you use either pronunciation. :) "Nucular" I have heard, most often from an unlamented former American president. I have also heard "jag you ar" - 3 syllables instead of two. The same people are apt to say "bye ling you al". "Pixture" is also new to me. I wonder that no teacher would ever have corrected her. Bielle (talk) 03:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I was actually quite privileged to attend what was the best high school in South Jersey at the time. We had Rutgers professors offering Biochemistry, British History, and various other courses including my AP English class (in which we regularly discussed German, French, Greek, Latin and Old and Middle English) that were based on university level curricula. μηδείς (talk) 03:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Mistake? Or did you intend this to happen?

Should I assume good faith here? Dismas|^(talk) 03:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

If you see this again, it is some sort of browser glitch. μηδείς (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

Hello, I'm Slawekb. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics‎ without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, you can use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Sławomir Biały (talk) 02:30, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

I commented at the talk page, I believe. μηδείς (talk) 02:41, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

My bad. In the future, please use an edit summary to avoid such misunderstandings. Sławomir Biały (talk) 12:24, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I didn't think it would be possible for anyone to react more quickly than I would put the talk page comment

philly dialect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kwamikagami/Automated_archive#Philadelphia_dialect

Finno-Ugric

Hi μηδείς and thanks for your comment on Wamikagami's talk page about the term "Finno-Ugric". You may be interested that I have raised the issue at Talk:Uralic_languages#Finno-Ugric. Cheers and thanks again, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 20:20, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

ITN for 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots

--Spencer^T♦C 00:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

You have message :) Miss Bono ^[zootalk] 18:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Regarding...

...this,[24] all I can say is, "You beat me to it!" The OP lobbed a softball and you took it downtown. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Medeis. You have new messages at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates.
Message added 21:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

It is kindly suggested that you retract the personal attack you made at WP:ITN. v/r, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 21:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

perhaps, but please provide a diff, since I am unaware of which edit you are referring to. μηδείς (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

ITN/C

Let's be clear here - I removed your PA, and you've just immediately repeated it. Saying someone made a racist comment == someone is racist. Please redact your comment now, or ANI is the next step. Black Kite (talk) 22:20, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Black Kite (talk) 22:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you for 24 hours for edit warring. LadyofShalott 03:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't accept the validity of that block. Attacks against Americans are personal insults and there is no ground for restoring such comments. You and other univolved administrators have inserted yourselves with no reason, while the involved editors had not commented n the proposed solution. μηδείς (talk) 03:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to withdraw

Your attention is drawn to this edit. I expect a reply. MonumentallyIncompetent (talk) 03:56, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

º*ºA Barnstar for youº*º

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		I am still intrigued... how do you know almost everything on everything :D... Thank you very much for your help at the RefDesk Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I am terribly ignorant on almost all sports topics, on electricity and electronics, and on mathematics above intermediate calculus, as well as many applied things like engineering. I also know very little on Asian history and cultures, most politics outside the US, most modern and foreign literature... (I'll stop here, because the longer I think the longer that list will get.) So I simply don't comment on those topics unless there's a random fact I do know. I answer a lot at the ref desks (1) because I can type as fast a I think, (2) I write for pleasure, and (3) I am usually multitasking on my computer, and edit wikipedia between tasks. My areas of expertise are biology, philosophy, and linguistics, so I answer a lot of that type of question. I am also an insomniac and heavy reader, so I am usually reading 3-5 books at any time, in widely varying subjects, with the point of learning the basics and essentials in any topic I do study. Right now I am reading: 1493, The New World Columbus Created by Charles Mann, The Browning Version, a popular classical play by Englishman Terrence Rattigan, After the Ice Age on the glaciation of North America by E. C. Pielou, and Hmong-Mien Language History by Martha Ratliff. Thanks for the Barnstar! μηδείς (talk) 19:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Wao! You do read :O... I love reading as well. I recently bought an English version of The Da Vinci Code and I am reading it, after reading the Spanish version a couple of times. Willing to buy Inferno by Dan Brown. Have you read Veronica Decides to Die by Paulo Coelho or anything by James Joyce? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I watched the Da Vinci Code. I tried reading it, but only got about 80 pages in. I know the actual history and the reasoned speculation too well, so I had a hard time suspending my disbelief. (I kept thinking, "wrong! wrong! al wrong!" I would recommend Jesus by A. N. Wislon, The Complete Gospels by Robert J. Miller, and King Jesus by Robert Graves if you are interested in The Da Vinci Code. You would probably also like The Name of the Rose and Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.

I was required to read Joyce's Portrait of the Artist of a Young Man in my last year of High School, and disliked it greatly. I haven't tried to read anything else by Joyce.

I have not read, but will look at that book by Coelho.

My favorite authors/books are: J. R. R. Tolkien, Ayn Rand, Shakespeare, Robert Heinlein, Frank Herbert, Michael Crichton, Umberto Eco, Ursula K. Leguin, George Orwell, G. K. Chesterton, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Herman Melville, (some books by) Stephen King, Larry Niven; Watership Down, The Mists of Avalon, I, Claudius, Interview with a Vampire/The Vampire L'Estat. Mostly science fiction, some fantasy, and literature from 1850-1950. If there is a recommendation you are looking for in a certain topic, let me know.

I am curious if you have seen any films by Pedro Almodovar? μηδείς (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I've read The Name of the Rose and loved it. As for Veronica Decides to Die, it is excellent!... I don't like much sci-fi or fantasy--

I will ask you when I need some information :D

And yes, I have seen a couple of Almodover films... Volver is my favourite. I don't like Penelope Cruz, tough. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I hate Penelope Cruz in English language movies. But Almodovar uses her well. I have seen all his movies at least twice, and most of them at least six times, if not more. Have you seen La flor de mi secreto or Tacones lejanos? You should see Sin noticias de Dios with Cruz. It is really good. If you liked The Name of the Rose you have to read Graves's I, Claudius. μηδείς (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I just read the articel for Veronika Decides to Die. I usually very much dislike stories about disease or victimhood, so I doubt I would like this, except that it seems to have a good ending. I would watch the movie, and if I like it I would read the book. But I am not a fan of Sarah Michelle Geller who stars in the movie. Is Coelho an author you like? Is this his best book? μηδείς (talk) 20:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw "Tacones lejanos". AS for Veronika... I think it is one of the best books of Coelho and I love his way of expressing, I had a very good Literature professor who told me once that my style was similar to his (Coelho's), so I guess that's why I like his work. My favourite writers are Shakespeare, James Joyce, Pablo Neruda, Paulo Coelho and Dan Brwon. I've read a couple of books by Stephen King, my favourite is The Green Mile. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you read something by Seamus_Heaney? Oh, and I don't like Buffy either. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I recommend La flor de mi secreto, I think it is his best movie. My favorite by King is The Stand. I can recommend 11/22/63 as well. Of Heaney, I read the first 20 pages or so of his Beowulf translation, but didn't like it, and ended up getting a translation by another author. I suppose I will have to try Joyce if you recommend him. μηδείς (talk) 19:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I am trying to get Death of a Naturalist by Heany, but I just can't find it anywhere. I will try to rent, the movie you pointed out. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Comment to Manning case.

Hello. I saw you posted a comment on the Final decision page of the Manning case. That specific page, however, is just for the arbitrators. I suggest you self-revert and post your comment to the talk page instead. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 19:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You mean the arbitration page's talk page? If mere editors aren't supposed to post there, the page should be protected. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Your comment on the Manning arbitration decision page

Thank you for your comment on the proposed decision page in the Manning naming case. However, please note that only the arbitrators vote and comment on that page. Your comments on the proposed decision are welcome, but they should be posted on the talkpage instead. Thanks and regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:40, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Why is that page not protected? (Don't answer, rhetorical, see above). μηδείς (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Your comments

Hi. I thought your comments about me on the Manning discussion were unnecessarily inflammatory and offensive - you could have found an equally effective and far more courteous way to say that you thought I was unsuitable to close the discussion. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 03:31, 1 October 2013 (UTC)ou

• I was actually on my way to post here when Keilana beat me to it, yay edit conflicts. Your comments do not match up with the idea of WP:CIVIL, the idea of Wikipedia featuring a collegial environment, or frankly, the idea of exercising common decency when dealing with other people. Disagreeing with someone is fine, including disagreeing with the appropriateness of someone closing a particular discussion. Your style of disagreement... not so much. Frankly I found your edit summary 'juvenile, vulgar, opinionated and unable to address the issue objectively' much more applicable to you than to Keilana. Kevin Gorman (talk) 03:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Keilani is the one who went off wicki to call opponents of the move bigots and homophobes. AS an LGB person who supports the move I found her comments juvenile, uncivil, and unconstructive. I cannot believe someone like her is an admin. She should ideally be desysoped immediately and removed from the question at hand. She should definitely be removed from the question at hand. Let me state I expect she would support the move I support. But that has nothing to do with her ability to function as an informed adult. μηδείς (talk) 04:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

"But that has nothing to do with her ability to function as an informed adult" This is a great example of the kind of rhetoric that has made the topic area needlessly unpleasant. Consider this a formal warning to lay off the personal attacks. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

My age may be showing in questioning Keilana's maturity. I'd have been shocked to hear any of my girlfriends speak that way when I was in college. I think the cursing and her calling those who disagree with her bigots in this public statement at youtube speaks for itself. I am sure she's a nice person, but I don't have anything further to say about my opinion of the standards I'd expect an admin to adhere to. μηδείς (talk) 16:57, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Your input

in this section would be very appreciated. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Funny thing is in 20+ years I have never been to an Italian restaurant in NYC. I will be busy for the next 4 hours, but will reply later. μηδείς (talk) 17:27, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Thanks! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. Would you give a look to the part of the proposal? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure where that is, please link to it for me. μηδείς (talk) 19:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a couple of comments above, same section. StuRat made a comment about it. Starts with ;D. Paolo's sounds good... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:17, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

You mean within the same thread? μηδείς (talk) 19:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry for my bad English. Dentro del mismo thread. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Your English was not at all the problem, section and thread mean pretty much the same thing, and those words are new enough regarding the internet. I simply assumed you meant a different topic on the same page, and couldn't find the relevant heading. I'll look again. μηδείς (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous#Ubersexual's talk page. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:35, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You have another message there. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You should close the discussion. By the way, I like Jodie Foster's movies. Fav one Panic Room, I don't like at all Kristen Stewart. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I must ask... do you like U2? or Bono? or their music? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:17, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I like U2 very much, have all but their latest albums, have seen them in concert. I remember when War came out, how great it was, and borrowing the album from a friend to make a cassette copy. Bono strikes me as quite intelligent and admirable, with a lot better head on his shoulders than most musicians or activists. I just don't find him sexually attractive. The only group I would really say I was a fan of in the way you are of U2 would be Eurythmics/Annie Lennox and later Pantera. I am almost old enough to be your grandparent, so its hard for me to express the enthusiasm of youth. μηδείς (talk) 18:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh cool! I guess I will never see them in concert. War is so great, but I must confess that my favourite album is Achtung Baby, followed by The Joshua Tree. I also have performanced Beautiful Day in front of 2000 people when I was at school a couple of years ago. It was awesome.

I literally love Bono (that's a youth thing, I guess). I got goose pimples when I listen to his song (mainly songs from Achtung Baby). But, as a human being, he has flaws; he is intelligent, clever, and a few more couple of adjectives, but sometimes he is... well you know. I admire him, tough, because he is where he is now because of his brilliant mind.

Oh, Annie Lennox... I remember watching the Live8 DVD and singing along with her Sweet Dreams... it was cool, pretty cool.

I am curious now... how old are you? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't like to give away too many details, because I had a stalker with my first wikipedia account who was tracking me on other websites and harassing me. But I graduated high school in the 80's. Annie Lennox was the first musician I had a crush on. I remember about 6 months after Sweet Dreams came out, coming home on the school bus one day. I heard a new song, and knew right away it was Eurythmics (LOve is a Stranger). When the bus stopped at a traffic light I got out of the seat against the rules and ran up and told the driver to turn up the volume. She let me stay in the front seat. That night I got permission to stay up after midnight, when they aired an hour of music videos on regular TV. I was so excited to see the video! I recorded it on my cassette player from the TV speaker. μηδείς (talk) 19:06, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

So you have pretty much Bono's age or you are older. Oh no! Bono cannot be my grandpa (0_o).

Music is the best thing ever. When I was at school, they were very strict about the schedule, so I called my mom telling her I was feeling sick, so she came to pick me up... the secret reason? they were going to broadcast 3 music videos of U2 at 13:00. With or Without You, I Still Haven't Found... and All Because of You. I got home just in time to see them. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, no, he is older than me. Always has been, so far as I remember. μηδείς (talk) 20:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Whisperback

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment#Black_Wind_White_Land's talk page.

I'd appreciate your help on this one. Thanks. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I have responded to your offer of posting what's on IMDb on Black Wind White Land. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Calmate, hija, ya te he contestado, jeje. (Antes de que me recordaste aqui.) Vivo pa servir. μηδείς (talk) 19:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Jajajajaja, me recordaste a mi mejor amiga. La paciencia no es uno de mis dones, I guess. Siempre estoy apresurada. Mi amiga me dice SIEMPRE: Cálmate, hija!. Gracias por postear lo que había en imdb. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Ref desk

Please explain why this request for opinions is now unhatted. You are the self-appointed commander of hatting ref desk questions. What about this one makes you think it's appropriate? --Onorem (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

[See this thread μηδείς (talk) 01:59, 4 October 2013 (UTC)]

The OP explained when asked that she was looking for a name that would be appropriate for an expensive Italian restaurant in Manhattan. You may be unaware that as a Cuban citizen she has very limited personal access to the internet. (She has editted from a Cuban IP, so I don't think anyone thinks she's a troll. As a fluent Spanish speaker I have no doubt that is her native language.) Many of the answers to her questions have been jocular, and might themselves be hat-worthy. But it is actually possible to give reasonable examples, such as I have done by listing to hi-rated, expensive Italian restaurants from the Village at Yelp. My other example, the Eel and the Artichoke was obviously made up (the foods are italian delicacies), but on the basis of a real, famous, nearby expensive French restaurant. The question can be described as asking for opinion, but not pure opinion, and we do give leeway on questions that ask for educated and justifiable answers. Neither is there any request for medical, legal, or other professional advice. If it matters, I don't think it would really hurt to re-hat the original section. But I don't think you should hat the OP's clarified question or the recent answer from Yelp. I would also address her directly on her talk page to explain your concerns, since it is her question, not mine. You will see that I have told her in several different threads to try to ask the questions she does in was that we can legitimately answer. μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Onorem's own self-deleted response to the above good faith answer to his inquiry is here. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I will stop asking questions at the ref desk. Don't worry Onorem Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	In recognition of Medeis' generous and tireless efforts to share his or her knowledge and expertise with the Wikipedia community even in the face of lesser minds and lesser acts by those less enlightened. Medeis is what makes Wikipedia a great place. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 14:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! And I do hope Tammy realizes I was kidding. μηδείς (talk) 16:49, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit: see refdesk discovery) Oh didn't aim it at any specific comment or editor but I will say it this way, personally editors like Tammy I do admire and have no issue with at all, they usually aren't the origin of the lets say sectarian (in all senses of the term) hypocrisy of the vulgar or textually abusive type. But none of this should throw the focus off a very sincere congrats for a great job of attempting to hear and voice all views on wikipedia! ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 17:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Tea party

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Fine, I'll stop using that term, now that I've explained why I've used it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:51, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

One thing, though: Explain where you got the idea that this is somehow a "gay slur"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I really do not want to continue this in any form, thanks. μηδείς (talk) 16:54, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

When I looked it up on Google Images just now, it seems to be mostly associated with gay porn rather than straight porn as I has supposed. Ya learn something new every day. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, good bugs, but please. I have never seen such a thing and am not interested, and really hope I never hear of this topic again, kind of like Keith Olberman. μηδείς (talk) 23:29, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Keith Olbermann...

...is now back to covering sports. You could say his career has come full circle, and not necessarily in a good way. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:45, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Prologue

Hi Medeis,

I wanted to tell you that finally I wrote the prologue for my novel. It turned out to be a huge help for the plot and I decided to make a few changes. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

In Spanish, I assume? μηδείς (talk) 18:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Both Spanish and English. I still have to make some changes, because I am using real names as a kind of inspiration but I'll change them when I finish. I got what I was looking for though... I have my ideas organized now, I am going to leave some parts I'd planned to add and reveal them as the story progresses. Do you have any suggestion? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't write fiction, since I find dialog impossible. Most good writers write a novel, then go back and rewrite it a few times. Ayn Rand and J. R. R. Tolkien did this. If you can get your hands on Rand's "The Art of Fiction" you will find it incredibly valuable. μηδείς (talk) 19:37, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The odd thing is that I find hard to write dialogs, so I don't use them very often. I prefer narrative and description. Do we have an article on that book? [The Art of Fiction]. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:45, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Our article is a stub The Art of Fiction: A Guide for Writers and Readers and I don't see any way to get the text for you on line. μηδείς (talk) 19:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see if I find anything on that and will let you you asap.

You are really nice by the way. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, just keep sending barnstars. I'd mail you a copy of the Rand book, is that possible? μηδείς (talk) 20:08, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I will hehehe. I don't know right now. I am changing account, the previous one was property of my best friend but I cannot use it anymore because of some internal issues at her workplace -- that's why the function isn't enable in the Toolbox. I will let you know when I get another email account. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:18, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, We had an interview It was great :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I meant por avion. I don't have a copy I can email, or I would just paste it to your page, chapter by chapter. μηδείς (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I don't give out my address via Wikipedia, too risky and not safe at all. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

OP undoing hat

Hey μηδείς, I've got no dog in this edit war, however I would ask that you revert the OP's query to their original one (in the spirit of him not changing his question) makes my response seem bizzare & I'm oddball enough already. Thanks. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 04:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

You can copy his original post and put it under his, but I would suggest you simply hat his question if he opens it again, since his intention "what can we do?" is obviously to soapbox. μηδείς (talk) 04:36, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Chopper Read

Hi Medeis!
I received a notification that you 'reverted' me at Chopper Read. I note that you did so in order to restore and cite the bit about his knife injury and the length of intestines he lost. So no worries and concur that can't equate feet with several cm. Surprised that I was notified but suppose that is not determined by edit summary.

Have you ever used the cite tool in the edit toolbar, as the ref is not actually linked to the source. I'd do it but I am using an 8" Android tablet to edit as my laptop has 'died' and it is rather difficult for me. I am even having trouble getting my edit cursor to go where I want it to! 220 of ^Borg 03:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I will look at it. I am not the best at formatting cites, but I can get the ref pointed to the right place. I have had three feet of intestine removed, so there was no way I was going to let the "several centimeters" alternative stand, hehe. μηδείς (talk) 03:24, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, a 30:1 ratio is WP:ridiculous. 'Choppers' page has had a huge increase in views ~x160 to ~80k in one day so important to be accurate, + BLP of course.

(talk page stalker)220 How can one see the increase in views for an article/page. Sorry for pocking my nose. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hola, Miss Bono. You need to go to the pages edit history, then click on 'Page View Statistics,, which is near the top of the page where it says External Links but on the right. After downloading you should see a bar graph showing the number of page views for the last thirty days of that page. You can select other months and if you click on 'toggle 'labels' it will show the actual numbers for each day. The Chopper Read page went from ~500 to over 80,000 views in one day. The x 160 is merely my rough estimate. ps I think you meant "... poking my nose". not "pocking..." :-) 220 of ^Borg 07:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I gave her a direct link to that page, but she says she cannot see that domain (she's editting form work in Cuba). If you have any other suggestions as to how she can get that info, pls put it on her talk page. FYI, she doesn't edit on weekends. μηδείς (talk) 15:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I started doing ref formatting manually as an IP for 2+ years, so I got rather good at it. The WP:reftools utility is very useful as it can fill in the entire ref from a bare URL. It can do an entire page of refs in one go, though needs human eyes to double check. So I think that 'tools' are the way to go.

That editor seems to be OK, so I dropped them a welcome template. Possibly a younger someone unaware of the large difference between a foot and a centi-metre!

BTW have had to write this note twice as I 'lost' it by accidentally turning my tablet off, apparently 2 button presses=OFF! Android is having an adverse effect on my blood pressure! Whinge over! --220 of ^Borg 07:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference desk

If I ever see you post crap like this [25] on the reference desk again, I will have no hesitation whatsoever in reporting the matter at WP:ANI. Regardless of what your intent was (and per good faith, I am going to assume it was simple trolling), it was a thoroughly obnoxious and inflammatory posting, and you should surely know better. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Your interpretation is a bit different from mine, but I see you reverted it, so okay. μηδείς (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

We

Scanning the ref desks for the first time in a long time and your occasional use of the first person plural is interesting. It is simply a case of speaking on behalf of the WP editors in general, or is it something else? —Akrabbim^talk 12:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I will occasionally change "you" to "we" to avoid sounding aggressive. In this case I simply meant "we editors", as others had expressed skepticism and I shared it. μηδείς (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

cyclists ride bicycles, not motorcycles

please see entry on cyclist before reverting changes to Alexian_Lien_beating. "cyclist" refers to the operator of a human powered vehicle, commonly a bicycle, and it does not apply to the motorcycle operators referenced in the article. Tom (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Books

Hi friend, it's been a while :D.

Just wanted to ask if you've read In Cold Blood, I was reading it and want to know your opinion. BTW, have you found Veronika Decides to Die? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Que honda? I had to read In Cold Blood in 11th grade. The writing is brilliant in its clarity and style, but the theme is disgusting. You should read To Kill a Mockingbird instead or afterwards. A lot of people think Capote ghost-wrote it. That is is much, much better book. Veronika is not the kind of novel I really like from what you have said--I am downloading the movie now to see if I like it. I've lost people to illness and violence so I usually find stories about murder and illness insuperable. μηδείς (talk) 18:42, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I am sorry about [that]. i didn't know. Sorry. I started reading To Kill... once, never finished it but now that you have pointed it out I will start reading it again.

The other day I could access Internet and I downloaded a couple of fanfictions about U2, I got lost reading a lot but just like it one. It was like 1 in a million. I lost in the reading and forgot I was reading a fanfic... I started reading fanfictions one year ago and I got interested in them, but in the way of turning them into novels changing names and real details. There are just a few of them that worth it. It is odd how many ways there are of getting inspiration.

I don't understand what is that people like about the Twilight saga, I mean... I started reading the 1st part and I drop it at page 15. I don't like the movie either. I have a friend who is fan, and when I mean FAN I really mean it. She spends the whole day talking about Robert Pattison... (O_o) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the condolences. My mentioning that is not meant to stop you from mentioning various topics. So do speak freely. And I disliked In Cold Blood when I read it 8-10 years before their deaths. To Kill a Mockingbird is one of the best books I have read on any level, literature or just for fun. It may be a little hard because a lot of it has to do with Southern culture which you may not be familiar with. Best way to think of it is that all the white characters are Andalusian land owners in America who are now poor but whose ancestors all had black slaves. They have funny accents and traditions and resent blacks and outsiders. I would read the book in Spanish if the English is difficult. I am going to look at a list of best English fiction of the last century and will post for you the books I have read myself and can recommend. μηδείς (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I haven't read the Twilight stuff--I might watch the movies. But I can definitely very highly recommend Ann Rice's Interview with a Vampire and The Vampire Lestat. μηδείς (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hehe I have read Interview with a Vampire and watched the movie. Awesome. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Vampire Lestat is much better than Interview. Queen of the Damned is her worst book. The ones that follow after that are good. μηδείς (talk) 19:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I have a digital copy of Vampira Lestat, I just need the will to start reading it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:39, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

No fuman Vds. la mota? Me hace querer leer. μηδείς (talk) 20:07, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

What does it mean No fuman Vds. la mota? cannot understand. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

It's a Mexican word. La hierba. μηδείς (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Drug? No. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, don't think bad of me. I haven't smoked it since 2004. But it does make me want read or watch movies. μηδείς (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I am not her to judge anybody. It's just that I haven't tried and I don't think I will try it. It's not for me. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I bought a book by a guy named Martin Roth, it's like a guide for writers. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Havce you heard about that man? Martin Roth? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:30, 15 October 2013 (UTC) Hello. You have a new message at Miss Bono's talk page.

No, I haven't heard of him, he is not at my local library, and we don't have an article on him. I haven't studied writing in University, so that doesn't mean anything that I don't know him. I get paid to write and edit, but only non-fiction. μηδείς (talk) 20:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Oooohh, cool! Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:00, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Your images

And I was going to ask you about the images of your userpage. Is there a kind of contest where only the best pictures appear on your talk page? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:32, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Those are images I selected from various wikipedia and wikimedia pages in order to make the thres collages at the top of my talk page. Threy are meant to represent the diversity of the groups illustreted, mammals, animals and birds. They are popular, but there's one editor at the bird page who kept telling me the bird image didn't satisfy him, although he wouldn't suggest which new examples I should use. I told him I wasn't going to spend hours changing it to find out he didn't like the new one. So he edit warred to have it removed. It is still used on other language wikipedias, and the mammal and animals ones are still used here and elsewhere in various articles. μηδείς (talk) 20:43, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Words

Is there any word that you find difficult to pronounce in Spanish? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:48, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Not that I can think of. (Maybe words that give native speakers problems?) No one has ever told me that I have an English accent. Many native Spanish speakers have asked me where I come from in Latin America. I lived in Puerto Rico when I was two-three years old, and spoke Spanish with my babysitter. At 4 I lived on the border of Texas and my best friends were Mexican. Then we moved to New Jersey in an all-American/white neighborhood, and when I spoke Spanish people treated me weird, and I forgot it. In high school I studied French and German. When I graduated high school I worked in restaurants with Mexicans and Filipinos, and I told them to speak only Spanish to me. I lived with some Mexicans for a while. I got fluent again very quickly and was dreaming in Spanish. Sometimes I spoke Spanish so much I would have to say, "como se dice en ingles?" because I couldn't remember the English. I have lived in Spanish neighborhoods in NYC for over 20 years. I took a Spanish certification test where you talk for a half hour. The examiner gave me the highest grade they give unless you speak like a radio announcer. She said for the entire half hour I made one mistake--I said "hurmiga" instead of "hormiga". If you want an example of a language that is hard to pronounce, try Russian. The word for Hola! is здравствуйте: zdravstvuitye. Or "I want" in Ruthenian if spelt in Spanish is ya jtsiem (Ruthene spelling is ja chciem). μηδείς (talk) 19:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry the late reply, I was in a meeting. Hurmiga sounds so funny that I couldn't stop laughing under my breath at the meeting. I guess you are almost a native speaker of Spanish. My classmates at school once wanted to talk to the principal to see if I could be their supply English teacher because they thought my accent was better than the accent of our teacher (not the Jamaican teacher!, that would be mind blowing). Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:12, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you ever heard George Bush II speak Spanish? He is pretty fluent, but his accent is horrible: You quieirou hablar coun Usteideis dei lous proubleimas dei lous Estadous Unidous. μηδείς (talk) 20:23, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you taking spanish Miss Bono? My favorite/probably the funniest word is trabajabamos (which means we were working). Russian isn't very hard once you learn the alphabet. I would guess that it would be easier to learn than English for someone taking a language that used neither alphabet. Ryan Vesey 16:28, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Ryan Spanish is my native language. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh is it? I saw the Irish flag on your user page and assumed you were Irish. Thanks for your work on U2 articles by the way. Ryan Vesey 17:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh I wish Ryan! Love Ireland. You're welcome. And I am a selfish Russian speaker... one of the only few words I know is Я--> I, yo, eu, ich, je, io, Mn, 我... as for the Irish language, I cannot speak it, not much... Dia duits!! Tá mé Miss Bono! Tá Máire ina cónaí san Cuba. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Haven't but that's pretty much the accent of many non-native speakers. I find funny the way they pronounce the 'r'... Have you heard Bono's 1, 2, 3, 14? He says unos, dos, t[funny 'r']es, cato[middle funny 'r']ce. First time I heard the song... ya know RLMAO Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that for a long time. Bono's r's are just regular English r's there. Most English speakers know how to count to ten in Spanish. No explaining why he say "ones, two, three, fourteen," though. μηδείς (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

He seems to know a few words, and seems to know how to pronounce the 'ñ', I heard him in a concert screaming señorita and then viva méxico... he pronounce the 'x' pretty well in Spanish... sayin' viva méjico. I've heard him speaking Italian and French, and some kind of African dialect. He seems to know a few things. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:05, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Most English speakers probably know a few dozen to 100 Spanish words/phrases. Señorita and Viva Mexico being two of them. The two funny words most English speakers get wrong are man and problem. Americans pronounce hombre as hambre, and a lot say no prablemo for no problema. μηδείς (talk) 16:16, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I guess you say them in the correct way :)... it might be a problem woth the 'a'/'o'. A mí se me enreda la lengua cuando tengo que decir palabras largas en Inglés, como interesting, creo que es por la fuerza de pronunciación. By the way... what's the English for se me enreda la lengua. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

"My tongue gets tied". The two hardest words for non-English speakers are "strengths" and "squirrels". μηδείς (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Ohhh, I love that word squirrel. I am pretty good saying both of them... Thanks for the translation. Seems like I still have a lot to learn to be able to talk to Bono :P Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes it is hard for me to remember which is the verb and which is the noun between advice/advise Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Ryan above that I like trabajabamos. I am tempted to say trabajabababamos. μηδείς (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Trabajabababamos??? (O_o) Why? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Because it sounds like lyrics to a Litte Richard song: "A-wop-bop-a-loo-bop-a-wop-bam-boom". μηδείς (talk) 20:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:35, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Nothing personal. It's just that English prefers closed single-syllable words with one syllable, like "John swapped spit with his girl Beth." (Swapped is pronounced "swopt." You just don't find words with so many repetitive/semirepetitive syllables as trabajabamos in conversational English. See also abracadabra and hocus pocus. μηδείς (talk) 20:41, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

What does that sentence mean? Algo sobre escupir?... oh... I often have problems trying to pronounce schedule Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Es slang para besar, literalmente "intercambiar esputo". I don't know why, but it was the first thing that popped into my head. (Notice that "I don't know why, but it was the first thing that popped into my head" has only one word, into, with more than one syllable. μηδείς (talk) 17:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC) Schedule is not that hard. It is pronounced "skej-l" The English say "shej-l", but their English is usually wrong. μηδείς (talk) 17:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

La traducción literal está fueeeerte, sis! Wácala heheheh.

As easy as that? Wao! Thanks. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:14, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Que quiere decir "Wácala"? μηδείς (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Wácala es una expresion (disculpa si no pongo la tilde, tengo el keyboard programado para English) de asco. Como cuando en las pelis dicen Ew (I don't know how it is written in English) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. Ew is spelt ew. μηδείς (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

U2 song and lyrics

Oooh right. I am in a half/half period of my life right now. U2 released new song and I cannot listent to it until next year!! :'(  :'( :'( Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:47, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

What's it called? μηδείς (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Why not? Ryan Vesey 18:54, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

It is not available to download yet. Only the members of the website can listen to the song. See Mandela:_Long_Walk_to_Freedom#Music Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

How would you translate this into Spanish?:

Desparation is a tender trap

it gets you every time

you put your lips to her lips

to stop the lie

Those are the lyrics for a U2 song. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:18, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

• You can hear a 90 second clip of the song at youtube. I would say it has the normal drawback one encounters with movie theme songs, it is more like background music than a song that stands on its own. It's not bad--it's just not going to be a big hit.

Thank you so much for that info :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:31, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

In order to translate that I need to know if you want me to explain the lyrics literally because you don't understand them, or if you want me to translate it as if U2 wanted to make a good sounding Spanish version even if the lyrics didn't mean exactly the same thing. μηδείς (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Both? Pleeeaseeeee Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:31, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

FYI, since the -e in please is silent, you can only say pleeeeease, not pleeeeaseee.

This is literal, but also an attempt at a poetic rendering. I don't know if trampaosos is even a word, and I know some of the word order isn't normal.

La desesperación es la suave trampaosos que te capta cada vez

Con tus labios cubres suyos pa que cesen las mentiras

μηδείς ñ(talk) 20:59, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

I've always understand this:

La desesperación es una trampa delicada

que te llega cada vez que juntas tus labios con los suyos

para detener la mentira.

Also, you offered this: if you want me to translate it as if U2 wanted to make a good sounding Spanish version even if the lyrics didn't mean exactly the same thing.

Can you?

Oh, and thank you for that 'pleeeeease stuff, very useful :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Does trampaosos make sense to you? Trampa just seemed too weak of a word. The trap verse and the lips verse seem like two separate thoughts. "It gets you every time" is an expression that doesn't take an object. It means "siempre te engaña", literally "siempre te capta". (For example, if you get confused by advice/advise, and someone points out you made that error in a paper, you would respond, "Oh, that always gets me." Or if someone always plays the same trick on you, but you never learn to expect it, and everybody laughs when he does it again at a party, you would laugh and say, "Oh, he always gets me with that one.") "Que te llega cada vez" is a reasonable idea, but it's not what the English lyrics actually say. And "to stop the lie" is prevenir or parar, not detener. μηδείς (talk) 16:47, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Ohhhhh, bueno, nunca he escuchado esa palabra "trampaosos/trampaoso", lo más cercano que se me ocurre es "tramposo/tramposos" que significa "cheater".

Entonces, lo que la letra de la canción dice básicamente es que la "desesperación es tramposa"?, and now I am talking about meaning not translation. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Hehe, by trampaosos I meant trampa-osos "bear trap". U2 aren't so much saying despair cheats, they are making an ironic metaphor. Physical traps are not something people consider "gentle". But despair is a mental trap that is so soft you may not notice it, so it "gets you every time". "Fue tan discreto que no me dio cuenta que me hubo atrapado."

Bigger ohhhhhhhh!... Creo que no existe esa palabra, it'd be "trampa para osos", pero que tiene que ver eso con lo otro? (O_o). I love that song by the way, as well as Love Is Blindness... they both are powerful. Love is... means a lot to me, en el plano personal for some reasons Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk page accusations

Hey chief, stop making edits like this. If you are really making that kind of accusation, take it to SPI. Especially when making it against a long time editor like Herostratus. Because if it is true, it needs investigation. And if it is not, it's a clear example of intimidation tactics forbidden by Talk page guidelines Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't track what goes on at Steyn regularly or follow Hierorstratus' edits, but given the identical behaviors it's perfectly reasonable to ask other editor's who've been accused of edit warring or who otherwise follow the relevant pages to see if there's any reason behind my suspicions before I go to SPI. I am not going to hold an investigation in private, asking up front is the honest, open, and decent thing to do. The fact H has been around for a long time has nothing to do with whether he is Miles' puppet--an account I just checked was created in July and hasn't been used since October 8. μηδείς (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Meh, it's alright. There's a lot of heat over there, and I contributed my share, which I kind of regret. I'm not a sockpuppet though. I just get annoyed by people ignoring WP:BRD because I was once blocked for WP:3RR'ing a person who was ignoring WP:BRD, which indicates to me that WP:BRD is not really formally enforceable, so we have to be especially diligent in informally agreeing to respect if the Wikipedia is going to function well. Having looked into it more and cogitating on the offending term "self-described" though, I realize why someone would feel pretty strongly that it's not acceptable, and agree. (And in fact you might well have been justified in describing it as a WP:BLP violation, which trumps WP:BRD and most everything else.) Anyway, I regret getting snarky (without standing down from my position that respecting WP:BRD is really important), and have more to say at the article talk page. Herostratus (talk) 03:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I suggest we have any further discussion (not that I am looking for a brawl) on the article talk page from here on out. μηδείς (talk) 03:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page

Your talk page is over 300 kB, so you may want to archive it. --Jax 0677 (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I can help you if you want :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

No thanks, I just usually go through and remove the attacks at some point, and it gets much shorter. μηδείς (talk) 18:34, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Good joke. And sorry for the offer. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

That wasn't a joke, por que no suporto tonterias en editar aqui, tengo muchos "enemigos", es decir personas que me piensan su enemigo. Ve arriba.

The comment about "cromulent" at the language desk in the you and you thread was indeed a joke. "Cromulent" es una palabra ficticia que se invento en el show The Simpsons queriendo decir "apropriado, gramaticalmente bien hecho." You la trate como fuera verdadera palabra y escribi una apuntacion ficticia del diccionario, delineando sus raices en frances y latin. Eso enojo a algunas personas que se les dio cuenta que fue engaño.μηδείς (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, ya entiendo. Con 'no suporto' did you mean don't support or can't stand Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Both, but I meant "can't stand". μηδείς (talk) 19:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, in Spanish it is no soporto :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Estaba pensando (oi en la cabeza) "so-porto" cuando lo escribi. Tienes que darte cuenta que aprendi espanol en la calle. No te e prometido la perfecsion, chiqua.</chistando> μηδείς (talk) 19:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Jajajajajajajajajjaja :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Tienes que decir que me defiendo muy bien, no?

Indeed! lol Muy bien. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Me muero por falta de Espanol.... :( μηδείς (talk) 20:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Y yo me muero por falta de Ingles... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 20:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

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Translation and/or not-literal meaning

What does this mean?

We get to carry each other

Tenemos que ayudarnos mutuamente??? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

"To get to do something" means to be allowed to do it or to have the opportunity to do it. The dog gets to eat the bone when we have a rib roast (asado de costilla). "Nos dejan llevarnos, el uno al otro" or "Tenemos la oportunidad de llevarnos..." "Ayudarnos" can work if it is ametaphor, and not literal. μηδείς (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see. I was trying to understand that aprt of "One", I have certain trouble understanding that kind of phrases. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:13, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

What does this mean: Got the swing, got the sway, got my straw in lemonade it's a line of a U2 song. I can translate it into Spanish but it doesn't make sense [at least no the part of the lemonade], some kind of slang? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

The word got here means to have. The expressions themselves are slang/metaphor. Got the swing and got the sway mean either he is a good dancer, or that he feels like dancing--probably feels like dancing in this case. Got the straw in my lemonade is a metaphor; he is ready to enjoy himself, he doesn't need anything else to start being happy. μηδείς (talk) 17:41, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, sweet, but then there is something weird... if he is already happy why he's still looking for the face [he] had before the world was made. I hope it doesn't annoy you to have me asking so many questions about U2 songs and language. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to that one, sounds like something Buddhist. μηδείς (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

"Before the World Was Made"

W. B. Yeats

"If I make the lashes dark

And the eyes more bright

And the lips more scarlet,

Or ask if all be right

From mirror after mirror,

No vanity's displayed:

I'm looking for the face I had

Before the world was made.

What if I look upon a man

As though on my beloved,

And my blood be cold the while

And my heart unmoved?

Why should he think me cruel

Or that he is betrayed?

I'd have him love the thing that was

Before the world was made."

--Orange Mike | Talk 20:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Ohhh, it's very interesting, I'd love to read more of Yeats... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Or something Bonoist... Oh, do you know any Cuban slang? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

No, I have only met a few Cubans and not lived with them or been friends. I will say Guantanamera is perhaps the best song of all time and has always been my favorite. I cry every time I hear it and los ojos estan lloroseandome en este momento. μηδείς (talk) 18:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Really of all times, you like it even more than a song by Eurythmics ??

Jajaja, I can play it with my guitar :P Guantanamera, guajira Guantanamera... Guantanameeeeeraaa!! You say that because you still haven't heard a song written by Miss Bono lol (joking), I write songs but not so good as that one... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:45, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, so many people have covered "Guantanamera" that there are poorly recorded versions. My favorite versions are by Celia Cruz (Azucar!) and Joan Baez. The other two songs I would compare it with are "Mbube" as sung in Zulu by Miriam Makeba (known in English as "The Lion Sleeps Tonight") and "I can See Clearly Now" by Johnny Nash. Eurythmics are great for dancing and sex and driving very fast to, but they don't make me cry. I like to watch or listen to at least one thing a day that makes me cry from happiness. (PS< let meknow if you have any way of listening to "Mbube", and let me know what you think. μηδείς (talk) 19:05, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't have that song, I will search for it at home and will let you know.

I don't drive (no licence and no car :P) but I know a song that (in my opinion) it's great to do the other two things you pointed out plus crying. It makes me want to scream, jump, cry a lot (I'm not lying in this, I cry a lot), leave it all behind and... so many other things. I don't think that there's another song that makes me feel like that at all. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I was running yesterday and listening some music and then I burst into laugh... Tutti Futti was been played lol Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:35, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Wop-bop-a-loo-bop A-wop-bam-boom! That's funny. FYI, the phrase is "burst into laughter" like "burst into tears" (or you can also say, "burst out laughing" and "burst out crying"). μηδείς (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Sí, es graciosa... Sue y Daisy ahahah. También es gracioso que estuve 5 minutos pensando si poner, "burst into laughter" (which sounded good) or the one I picked :P- It's always the same for me. I am a hopeless case... Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:20, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Did I tell you the fontana story? I studied four years of French. Sometimes when I don't know a word in Spanish I will think of the French word and then "translate" it into Spanish. One day about 20 years ago I was walking in Central Park with a Mexican friend. I said, "Tengo mucha sed. Dime si ves una fontana." We walked around for about 15 minutes with me saying "Donde esta la fontana?" Finally we found the fountain, and he said "Aqui esta la fuente". I hit him in the arm and told him never to let me say the wrong thing again without correcting me. How else would I ever know my mistakes? μηδείς (talk) 17:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you told me about that story. It's ver y funny and educational. Next time one of you guys let me say the wrong thing I am going to hit you all in the arm. :P Thanks for correcting me. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you have something by Yeats? I liked that poem. It was mind-blowing Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll be very busy, maybe post more tonight. μηδείς (talk) 16:12, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Bowlhover

I have reported that user for edit-warring. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. μηδείς (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

I've asked that he not be blocked but merely told to stop it. But if he does it again (especially with still no discussion), I'll change that tune a bit. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

NSA

FYI: [26] Sca (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Marcia Wallace

• There is no 3RR violation
• One is free to expression opinion (OR) on the talk pages as long a sone does not claim it is sourced fact, which I made clear it was not
• The reflink you cliam was not present to support the comments her son made were present (to wit: http://www.deadline.com/2013/10/r-i-p-marcia-wallace. It is reflink # 10, but I re-added it as you are evidently a slow learner/special student

If you ever again threaten me or accuse me of thing I have not done (violating 3RR) or things that are not a violation of Wikipedia (ie expressing opinions, clearly stated as opinions, on talk pages), I will seek to have you handed a long block at ANI. I may do so now anyway. Quis separabit? 20:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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I'm sorry for giving you the wrong link. Perhaps you've seen Writ Keeper's comment (just four minutes ago) at my talk — as he notes, I meant to say WP:AN#RE User:Medeis. This is really the kind of thing that belongs at WP:ANI, so by the time I'd read through a pile of discussion, I'd forgotten that it was at the wrong place. Nyttend (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it's the kind of thing that belongs anywhere. I warned Rms125a that I would report him for edit warring if he continued. His response was to explode with insults everywhere he could. He seems to have added the needed ref, finally at the article, where he had been attributing what he called denial to the son in the article itself--which was certainly problematic according to BLP. Well, at this case unless I am summoned I'll assume this is closed.

I do ask that you hat the copied AN3 report at Talk:Marcia Wallace. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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RE YOUR VANDALISM

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I don't know if you celebrate Halloween but... Happy Halloween!

	Hello Medeis, Miss Bono has given you an lovely bat, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lovely bat! Enjoy!
	Spread the goodness of a lovely bat by adding {{subst:User:Miss Bono/Halloween}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Por supuesto. Es por eso que no estoy editando mucho. Viaje 7 horas ayer a visitar a mis sobrinos. No editare mucho hoy tampoco. Pasa buen dia de los muertos tambien. μηδείς (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

happy halloween for you too Will you be dressing up yourself tonight? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:51, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

No, I will stay home at my sister's house to give out candy. Everyone else will go out with the kids to go house to house. I enjoy the holiday a lot, but I don't remember dressing up since I was about 16 y/o. μηδείς (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

If we celebrated Halloween here, I'd dressed up as a female version of The Fly. Preety cool! Me in leather, that would be hilarious hahah. I guess I'm just going to buy a pumpkin. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:26, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

How do you...

I was thinking yesterday how do you say "He has died" in Spanish? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:32, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Literally it's Él ha muerto, but murió, se ha muerto, and falleció will all apply depending on context. I couldn't really make a recommendation unless I knew the paragraph it was a part of. In English, he has died would normally only be used if someone were asking about someone whose death was being expected. He is dead, or he died would be a more normal simple report of the fact. μηδείς (talk) 22:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

yeah, I know what it mean, just wanted to check something... I've heard several non-native speakers and native speakers both say el ha morido which is it totally wrong. But I see you know how to say it :D I thought you were mad at me because of the question I asked you on Halloween. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

No, why would I be mad? I have just been very busy, so not posting much. μηδείς (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, it was a very personal question, I was just curious and I thought you got mad about it... I try not to ask personal questions because of some issue I had in the past, but I was really curious. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 21:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

What you asked would not be considered a personal question in America. I spent halloween at my sister's house, which is a 7 hour trip from where I live. When people came to the door to ask for candy I hid behind the door and made a scary laugh. The funny thing is, it didn't scare the kids, as much as it did their parents (who came with them if they were little). μηδείς (talk) 21:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I bet you missed my question because I removed it... Thank goodness!... Oh, míralo del lado positivo, kids like you and you are not ugly. :P Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:15, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you like Whitman? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't have kids, yes, I am very good with kids; I like them and they like me. No, I do not like Whitman--no structure, just pretentious language. My favorite poets are Shakespeare, William Blake, Keats, Shelley, Yeats and Dylan Thomas. I like a few things by other poets like Sylvia Plath:

Yaddo: The Grand Manor
Woodsmoke and a distant loudspeaker
Filter into this clear
Air, and blur.
The red tomato's in, the green bean;
The cook lugs a pumpkin
From the vine
For pies. The fir tree's thick with grackles.
Gold carp loom in the pools.
A wasp crawls
Over windfalls to sip cider-juice.
Guests in the studios
Muse, compose.
Indoors, Tiffany's phoenix rises
Above the fireplace;
Two carved sleighs
Rest on orange plush near the newel post.
Wood stoves burn warm as toast.
The late guest
Wakens, mornings, to a cobalt sky,
A diamond-paned window,
Zinc-white snow.

Oh I am sorry to hear that you don't have kids, you would be a great parent because you like them and they like you.

I hope being a mommy one day.

I like Shakespeare and William Blake and after OrangeMike pointed out Yeats I've added him to my list. I have heard about Dylan Thomas but have never read anything. Have you heard about Mario Benedetti? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:07, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at this part of the poem QUIERO CREER QUE ESTOY VOLVIENDO

Vuelvo con la esperanza abrumadora

y los fantasmas que llevé conmigo

y el arrabal de todos y el amigo

que estaba y no está ahora

Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I just read "De que se rie?" which was very good, but I had never heard of him.

Two Poems by Dylan Thomas
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Fern Hill Now as I was young and easy under the apple boughs About the lilting house and happy as the grass was green, The night above the dingle starry, Time let me hail and climb Golden in the heydays of his eyes, And honoured among wagons I was prince of the apple towns And once below a time I lordly had the trees and leaves Trail with daisies and barley Down the rivers of the windfall light. And as I was green and carefree, famous among the barns About the happy yard and singing as the farm was home, In the sun that is young once only, Time let me play and be Golden in the mercy of his means, And green and golden I was huntsman and herdsman, the calves Sang to my horn, the foxes on the hills barked clear and cold, And the sabbath rang slowly In the pebbles of the holy streams. All the sun long it was running, it was lovely, the hay Fields high as the house, the tunes from the chimneys, it was air And playing, lovely and watery And fire green as grass. And nightly under the simple stars As I rode to sleep the owls were bearing the farm away, All the moon long I heard, blessed among stables, the nightjars Flying with the ricks, and the horses Flashing into the dark. And then to awake, and the farm, like a wanderer white With the dew, come back, the cock on his shoulder: it was all Shining, it was Adam and maiden, The sky gathered again And the sun grew round that very day. So it must have been after the birth of the simple light In the first, spinning place, the spellbound horses walking warm Out of the whinnying green stable On to the fields of praise. And honoured among foxes and pheasants by the gay house Under the new made clouds and happy as the heart was long, In the sun born over and over, I ran my heedless ways, My wishes raced through the house high hay And nothing I cared, at my sky blue trades, that time allows In all his tuneful turning so few and such morning songs Before the children green and golden Follow him out of grace. Nothing I cared, in the lamb white days, that time would take me Up to the swallow thronged loft by the shadow of my hand, In the moon that is always rising, Nor that riding to sleep I should hear him fly with the high fields And wake to the farm forever fled from the childless land. Oh as I was young and easy in the mercy of his means, Time held me green and dying Though I sang in my chains like the sea. Dylan Thomas Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Though wise men at their end know dark is right, Because their words had forked no lightning they Do not go gentle into that good night. Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, Do not go gentle into that good night. Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light. And you, my father, there on that sad height, Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray. Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. Dylan Thomas

This Poem by JAS and one I can't find by Ruben Dario were the two I liked best when I took a cass on Spanish literature a few years ago:

Jose Asuncion Silva
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LOS MADEROS DE SAN JUAN ¡Aserrín! ¡Aserrán! Los maderos de San Juan, Piden queso, piden pan, Los de Roque Alfandoque, Los de Rique Alfeñique ¡Los de triqui, triqui, tran! Y en las rodillas duras y firmes de la Abuela, Con movimiento rítmico se balancea el niño Y ambos agitados y trémulos están; La Abuela se sonríe con maternal cariño Mas cruza por su espíritu como un temor extraño Por lo que en lo futuro, de angustia y desengaño Los días ignorados del nieto guardarán. Los maderos de San Juan Piden queso, piden pan. ¡Triqui, triqui, triqui, tran! Esas arrugas hondas recuerdan una historia De sufrimientos largos y silenciosa angustia Y sus cabellos, blancos, como la nieve, están. De un gran dolor el sello marcó la frente mustia Y son sus ojos turbios espejos que empañaron Los años, y que, ha tiempos, las formas reflejaron De cosas y seres que nunca volverán. Los de Roque, alfandoque ¡Triqui, triqui, triqui, tran! Mañana cuando duerma la Anciana, yerta y muda, Lejos del mundo vivo, bajo la oscura tierra, Donde otros, en la sombra, desde hace tiempo están, Del nieto a la memoria, con grave son que encierra Todo el poema triste de la remota infancia, Cruzando por las sombras del tiempo y la distancia, ¡De aquella voz querida las notas vibrarán! Los de Rique, alfeñique ¡Triqui, triqui, triqui, tran! Y en tanto en las rodillas cansadas de la Abuela Con movimiento rítmico se balancea el niño Y ambos conmovidos y trémulos están; La Abuela se sonríe con maternal cariño Mas cruza por su espíritu como un temor extraño Por lo que en lo futuro, de angustia y desengaño Los días ignorados del nieto guardarán. ¡Aserrín! ¡Aserrán! Los maderos de San Juan Piden queso, piden pan, Los de Roque Alfandoque Los de Rique Alfeñique ¡Triqui, triqui, triqui, tran! ¡Triqui, triqui, triqui, tran!

They are really good! I have a lot of things by Rubén Darío, just tell me the name and I will read it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:45, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

To Medeis, I know many of us appreciate your contributions on the Reference Desks and hope they will continue for the years to come, even if we all need an occasional 'beer summit'. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 00:43, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, a lot. Now the question is, can you get your hands on some DAB Alt for me? So far as I know they've stopped exporting it to America? μηδείς (talk) 02:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Are you asking me if I know a guy that knows a guy that knows another guy? Those who know don't speak and those who speak don't know, which might be a clue about my level of expertise lol. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 04:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I just came across the reason for the beer you gave me, and am glad at least someone got what I was saying.

DAB Alt was a black German lager served at a Swiss German Restaurant I used to frequent in the 1980's, as several waitresses I knew from other jobs had gotten work there. It was a light, crisp, almost sweet lager that literally drank like rootbeer, especially when served chilled. It was the owner's favorite, and he also served Jaegermeister before that became popular and of lower quality in the 1990's. I kept going to that restaurant long after I moved to NYC and all the staff I knew there left, but they closed in 2011. So I requested a case of DAB Alt for my Christmas present that year and found out that too was unavailable. Evidently the original brewer went bankrupt and the new owners didn't continue the brand. A true tragedy, and I am not really a beer drinker. μηδείς (talk) 04:49, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

hatting

For the record, I disagree with this hat, but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it. —Steve Summit (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Protected Comment

Hi Medeis, I have semi-protected your talk page for a week in the hope that the rather boring Canadian troll goes and plays somewhere else. Black Kite (talk) 13:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

• Hi, I have unhidden the comments. Unfortunately blocking the IP wasn't enough - they immediately appeared with another one, and it's too big a range for a rangeblock. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 00:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Veronika

Glad you've like the movie. That's a very good line indeed. Hope everything is cool in "real life". I don't know what happened with some IP and troll, but I can give you the best advice I have found in U2's songs. Don't let the bastards grind you down Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ahora mismo estoy escuchando "El Tango de Roxane". Te gusta "Moulin Rouge"? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:39, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I didn't really like it, it was too "busy" (not sure how to say it in Spanish, "demasiado concurrida"?) There was too much going on. I really like the Hindi dance, Chamma Chamma. I don't like Nicole Kidman or Ewan Macgregor.

What I LOVE, is Baz Luhrmann's version of Romeo and Juliet (1996), with Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes. That is absolutely excellent. Watch that next if you haven't seen it. μηδείς (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh :'(... I liked the story in MR... not that I am a fan of the actors.

I saw that version of Romeo and Juliet years ago, like when I was seven years old, and I liked it very much. I am trying to find it again, just to hear a song by Gavin Friday called "Angel", which I don't remember, I heard that he dedicated that song to Bono and his wife for their 30th Anniversary, so I wanted to know how was it. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

South Park

I just read your comment about South Park at the Ref Desk because I remember there was a thread about that while watching some episodes. And now I am watching this from my external HDD and I can't stop laughing since I saw Cartman hit himself with a rock to get back to 1776. Hhahahahahahahha. I wonder if you hahahahaha have seen that episode. Hahahaha. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 21:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen every single episode. My favorites are the episode when Cartman's hand puppet (like Senor Wences) takes over Jennifer Lopez's career, and the episode when they have Tom Cruise and John Travolta in the closet. μηδείς (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and I have every single episode in my external HDD lol. Good episodes. I like the one Tom Cruise wants to sue South Park lol, Bono's second appearance. But it is not my favourite. I think I have to decide what's my fav yet. And I am a HUGE, hear me, HUGE fan of House. They used to mock at me at school for that. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:21, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Porque me dijiste en otro lugar que me pagarías para que te corrigiera tu shitty Inglés si pudieras

Above, User:Miss Bono you said "Glad you've like the movie." This is wrong. You can say, "Glad you've liked the movie so far", which implies you know I might not like the ending. You can also say, "Glad you're enjoying the movie", which make no assumptions on the future. Or you can say, "Glad you like the movie." This last assumes I am going to keep liking it.  :) Pues, ahora tienes que corregirme a mi, solo no por falta de tildes, porque no las tengo en mi teclado. μηδείς (talk) 03:28, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I was trying to say, "Me alegra que te haya gustado la pelicula", solo que me faltó la d del pp, porque pensé que la habías terminado de ver y te había gustado. Sin embargo, luego leí que no te había gustado pero soy demasiado lazy como para corregir una oración completa hehehe :O In a few minutes you will get your payment lol. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Please redact...

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..."you are full of it, and won't link to where a one-sentence update became policy". I am not "full of it" and had already linked you to the discussion where the guideline was discussed and subsequently updated. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I will, but the problem was I never saw that link, or I wouldn't have said what I did. Can you either link to it for me as a diff or give me a few unique words of what you said so I can search the page for it? μηδείς (talk) 21:36, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Click on the wikilink I provided there before you had a dig at me. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, but it's not what had been asked for. The problem is that that is not an RfC for an official policy change that I asked you twice before to show. It's just an informal discussion on the basis of which you made an edit anyone is free to revert--not a policy change.

I am not about to get into an edit war, but the RD policy, which explicitly said all prior criteria would remain in place, was set by RfC, which was advertised to the community, and closed by an admin, not me. I do suggest you revert your change, and post an RfC asking if the deletion should be made.

But given you are portraying an edit you made, without explaining that to the readers, as if it were some community action I am not going to change my comment; if anything expanding on it would make sense--except that the issue is moot, the nom is completed, and further discussion there would be disruptive. You can hat the comment if you like, given the nomination discussion is not active. Any further comments should go on the ITN talk page. μηδείς (talk) 22:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

For the sixth time, this is not a policy. There is no RD policy. There is nothing demanding an RfC to change the wording of the guideline. I do suggest you get to grips with terminology: a policy is something that must be adhered to (in Wikipedia terms), RD updates are subject to guidelines. You must learn to use the language of Wikipedia appropriately or else your point will be either missed or ignored. If nothing else, please redact the personal attack, and redact the point that I didn't link to the discussion. (a) the personal attack is most unusual for you, perhaps you were having a bad day (b) I did link to the appropriate discussion, you could have participated but didn't. Since this is a discussion about your behaviour with regard to my edits, the ITN talk page is not an appropriate page to continue discussion, and as such, the discussion will continue here until resolution. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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ref desk 2

If I'm not allowed to respond to your political arguments, then you aren't allowed to make them. ←|Baseball Bugs]] ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Don't be childish. The thread was made specifically eliciting that answer. I didn't unhat (or hat) the debate below it, but that answer was not debating anyone--it was answering the OP's very question. μηδείς (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

If, User:Baseball Bugs, you want the Free Market/Classical Liberal/Randian/Minarchist/Libertarian/Anarchocapitalist resposne to your desire not to pay for the military, then carefully formulate and pst a question, and I'll give an answer with a bibliography. μηδείς (talk) 03:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd like that answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.168.226 (talk) 07:12, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

ITN

I just wanted to say thanks for the suggestions for improving the Maurice Vachon page, even though you opposed it. A lot of users in that position would have fought tooth and nail or simply left the discussion, but you instead gave some helpful suggestions, so thank you. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

The funny/sad thing is that some people can't even conceive of cooperating and disagreeing at the same time. I appreciate your commenting. μηδείς (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

How does it feel

To be a negress? Do you find it hard on yourself because your race genetically has average 85 IQ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.168.226 (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

le morpion

I'm not so sure this qualifies as a request for medical advice. However, it calls for speculation, as we know nothing about how that character might have gotten the crabs or whatever. We don't know anything about his lifestyle, and it would probably be best to keep it that way. With what little info we have, the only valid answer would be, "Because you went someplace where there were lice. Duh." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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I send you an email, did you see it? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 22:40, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Only just saw this. The email address to which I have wikipedia email sent isn't active--I'll have to see what I can do. μηδείς (talk) 02:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 2Awwsome^{Tell me where I screwed up.}_{See where I screwed up.} 15:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

This banned user has apparently moved on to AN/I to try and get you banned. I reverted them. You may want to take a look if you get a chance. Admiral Caius (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Caius. Here's the diff at ani for future reference. μηδείς (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's the diff of wickwack's banning. μηδείς (talk) 02:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's the diff closing the most recent ANI by the troll. μηδείς (talk) 02:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Congolese woman (from Ref Desk sk for future inquiry)

Picture from Flickr

Can anyone identify this woman, either individually, or in a more detailed manner than in the file history or at Flickr? Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 04:46, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

[27] says Bangobango people group of Democratic Republic of Congo.
Sleigh (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I had seen that page when I did a reverse image search at google yesterday. But I believe they got the image from wikipedia--in any case, it is uncredited there, and described as a "representative image". Discussion of the image at Bantu peoples implies it was originally taken from flicker, where al it was described as was "Congolese woman". That's not to say it's not a Bangobango woman, but I was hoping maybe we could get something along the lines of "a woman wearing traditional Bangobango dress" or te like. μηδείς (talk) 18:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

ref desk

Satire? Err no. I didn’t. I was going to reply: Incidentally, it is not 'as[]pro but Aspro. A name for a European fish -that the Nazis adopted as a name for one of its submarines, as its torpedoes could sink a battle ship, stealthy and without effort– but for most westerners, they know it also as a brand name of an over the counter remedy for a headache. You can take the name and innuendoes, both-ways as you choose. One painful and one relieving. End quote.

The one problem I have found with written communications, is that the tone and intonation of voice -that convey theses subtleties (like satire)- is often absent (unless one is a brilliant wordsmith like George Orwell et. al.). I appreciate that satire is difficult to get right, -just-off-the-cuff, so if your saying you made a faux pas, then who am I to argue. I say this because– I think – you make many useful contributions to the ref desk. Not as good as mine perhaps - but good never-the-less;-) --Aspro (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

There wasn't a single serious statement, from my header saying everyone should be banned, to my claim that it was alright to attack the Scottish and other disabled people after 48 hours, to my declaration that I was not going to refrain from participating in the unacceptable behavior, and everything in between. As for your name, that's very interesting, I had never heard of such a fish. It must not have been introduced into American waters. It does indeed look like a submarine. μηδείς (talk) 00:26, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Michele Malkin

This is cute. Now you're following me around like a little puppy. Read the St. Louis Globe-Democrat article. It says the Globe-Democrat was "originally a daily print newspaper based in St. Louis, Missouri from 1852 until 1986" and later, "the online edition ceased operations on January 23, 2011." Since the newspaper no longer exists in paper form or online, Malkin can't write for the Globe-Democrat, can she? If you're keen on listing the newspapers Malkin used to write for (and they are many, since editors tend to drop cheese hurlers in time), be my guest, but don't revert a proper edit . Chisme (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Michele Malkin is on my watch list, has been for a long time, read the edit history for the article. Don't post here again on this matter, if you have anything to say, keep it to the article talk page instead. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI.

No hard feelings on my part :) (FYI again, this is nothing passive-aggressive :C) --Somchai Sun (talk) 23:58, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

No offense taken, not at all. μηδείς (talk) 00:39, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. --Somchai Sun (talk) 00:57, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Nusayri

Hello, Medeis. You have new messages at Lothar von Richthofen's talk page.
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~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 01:24, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup at Michael E Mann

Well overdue. Let's hope your cleanup sticks! Best wishes, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:27, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Note3

I'm thinking to just ignore Rambler from here on. Another admin told him and me both to knock it off on the ref desk talk page, but he's continuing his rant. You can do what you want, but I'm going to do my level best to pretend he doesn't exist. P.S. Happy new year! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:53, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. μηδείς (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, never post to my talk page ever again, the pair of you. If you have an issue with me, actually take it ANI and don't keep pretending and bluffing about it. It really is becoming tedious. Happy new year! The Rambling Man (talk) 00:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I have raised this issue at WP:ANI now. With any luck, I can avoid participating in any followup, regardless of what anyone says about me. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:04, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Medeis, you should probably look at my comment at WP:ANI. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Note4

Thanks, I'll keep an eye on things. One thing I would like to point out, which may not be apparent from stuff I've said here... Some of my best friends have been folks whose politics were polar opposite of mine. You've seen me quote them from time to time. I've always figured that I can't learn much by only talking to those I agree with. Lively discussions are good. (Sometimes, though, my rhetoric is a little too lively for my own good, as you well know.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:50, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Desk and The Rambling Man

I've already advised TRM that he can open an RFC if he wants to address your behavior; the same applies to you. Please stop opening noticeboard threads, and please disengage on the RD talk page. I said this to Baseball Bugs as well: It is utterly inappropriate to archive threads in which you are a participant (complainer or complainee). This dispute needs to stop disrupting project space now, so consider this your only warning. If you continue down this path, I will block you. --Laser brain (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

You ask..you order me...to disengage? What a laugh. You will see a whole two comments from me on the ANI (which I did not open), and a request by me for a mutual interaction ban which you don't seem interested in supporting. You'll see more than two dozen attacks, reversions, and acts of stalking against me documented at the ANI, and no such attacks or stalking by me documented against the other party. By all means, please do step in and enforce an interaction ban, it would be my pleasure. μηδείς (talk) 22:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Poinsettia

I don't mean to be rude, but that really isn't a true Bonsai. I mean, it's not...traditionally seen as such. Is it? Screw tradition? Idk - my cousins grandmother was a Bonsai growing champion. (I have dozens of these stupid little family-related tidbits, honestly). Anyway, Happy New Year to you too. --Somchai Sun (talk) 22:41, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I was aware of the issue, and that was the point of saying "in bonsai form". If you have a better common English word I am not averse to it, but I think common usage is fine. You have to admit it's quite pretty. μηδείς (talk) 22:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

PS, I asked for a bonsai kit for Christmas, and got a carnivorous plant terrarium instead. So... watch out! μηδείς (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

ANI notice - community sanctions on the three of you

This has gone on long enough. I am proposing a bunch of community sanctions on the lot of you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

FYI: After TRM's latest direct attack on you, I have asked that the interaction ban be implemented. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

ArbCom

Thank you for your support. The sad truth is that I simply forgot about that part of the topic ban. (There's no way I would forget about the other part of it, because it's such a red flag.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not support, it's honesty. μηδείς (talk) 03:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

It works out the same, either way. Meanwhile, I saw that 54 stuff. I see the admin reverted it. I'll see how much more to get involved in that 54 discussion. There's a risk of feeding the troll. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

As your e-mail is active, I just sent you a quick test. Be aware that I don't check that e-mail address very often. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Oh, okay, that makes sense. I just don't want any more comments on my private life by third parties. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 06:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

You bet. (Just thought I would post something irrelevant here.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Medeis!

	Happy New Year!
	Hello Medeis: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 18:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Wow, thanks. Makes me feel like Orthodox Christmas. μηδείς (talk) 19:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

A good day for such an epiphany. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Haha ... totally forgot it's the Día de los Reyes Magos, or whatever Christians call them in English. I guess my HNY note was six days off :P Wish you the best, though. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 19:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Known in America as the "Magi" or "The Three Wise Guys". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, my mother was just commenting how fun Three Kings Day was in Puerto Rico, but I do not remember that far back in my childhood. μηδείς (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I still celebrate it with my family/friends by eating the Rosca de reyes, though some of us (myself included) are agnostic/atheist. I see it more as an excuse to get together and have a good time ... and supposedly with no drinks cus it's Monday. :-) ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 01:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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Community sanctions

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive825#Community_sanctions:_The_Rambling_Man.2C_Baseball_Bugs.2C_and_Medeis

This is to inform you that this discussion has been closed, with the results listed there.

Please note the warning that further such activity as noted may lead to further sanction including being blocked. - jc37 19:04, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Notification

Hello. This is to inform you that there is a discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk that may involve a relative of yours. The section concerned is Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#KELLY LYN NOONE'S DEATH. Thank you. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Queries from Medeis

(1) Am I right to assume you have found that sanctions 1 & 2 are enforced? There's no clear, strong, "therefore an interaction ban is hereby declared" type statement, just comments within the blue section of the archive, with no archive remark given.

(2) I am confused by the comments that there is some consensus for an interaction ban, and strong consensus for a topic ban. The reverse seems true; there is overwhelming consensus for an interaction ban, and strong consensus against a topic ban. Every single comment in the ANI not solely opposing some sanction was in favor of the interaction ban. But, even only including argued comments, there's at least a two-to-one majority strongly against a topic ban.

Depending on how you count them, there are about 7-8 total votes (including unargued votes) in favor of sanction 2, and some 16 or more argued comments opposing sanction two, if not all sanctions.

I am not trying to start an argument here, but I find the finding as I understand it flawed, and wish it to be reconsidered. μηδείς (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your questions. I will try to answer them as I can.

For your first question, I suppose you're right. While I did note consensus for each, I presumed that anyone reading would see that as the option was therefore enacted (And "no consensus" meaning "no consensus to enact"). I didn't think that needed to be spelled out any more than that, but I fully accept that I may have been mistaken in that presumption. For one thing I didn't think I needed to re-summarise WP:BAN (like the sections on topic bans, ban evasion, exceptions, enforcement, etc.)

For the second, I'll have to re-read my comments, but I don't recall stating that the consensus for option 2 was "more" in any way than option 1.

And I don't count votes. I follow WP:CON, and it's based upon evidence and weight of arguments. That said, as this was a behavioural issue and not a content issue, these discussions tend to be more "personal view based upon the evidence" oriented in response. So I weighted editors' comments accordingly. If they said "only", I presumed they meant it in terms of any other options; and if they didn't mention the other options, I treated that as if they abstained from commenting upon those options. The options as noted were not mutually exclusive as proposed nor were they required as a complete package.

And no worries about starting an arguement. You are of course welcome to ask for a clarification of a closure, in particular one which effects your ability to edit the encyclopedia. And I appreciate your civility. I tend to respect civil collegiate tone in discussion.

If the close is "flawed" (I am human after all, and can make mistakes as can anyone), it can be reviewed like any close. At the moment, I posted a 3PO at WP:AN and we'll see what others have said so far.

Regardless, as an uninvolved closer (you'll pardon me, but I don't recall even ever interacting with you in any way previously), I am not concerned if the close is over-turned. I merely stepped up as a service to the community to close a discussion posted at WP:AN/RFC.

I hope I managed to answer your questions. But if you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. - jc37 06:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

personal petition

Hi, Jc37.

I am personally petitioning you to withdraw your closure in regard to sanction two in the ANI case regarding myself, Baseball Bugs, and the Rambling Man.

I have commented on the AN, since I am not sure whom to address or how to address it. But I think you are able to reconsider your own judgments.

To be as brief as possible, even discounting votes that were made without argument, and ignoring votes that said Support 1 without commenting on 2 or 3, there is still a strong 2-1 majority against sanction two. I'd also point out that no party gave any evidence in diffs as to why sanction two should be instituted, nor was any rationale given as to what problem it was meant to prevent.

I ask you to reconsider your closure. Should there be any actual problem, the issue can always be revisited. But at this point the action feels only punitive, and I do not see it as fair to either Bugs or TRM either.

Thanks.

μηδείς (talk) 19:50, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, my apology for not seeing this on my talk page earlier. I'll try to respond now.

Taking the latter concern first, bans are intended to be preventative. In this case, in general, preventing disruption.

I did re-look over the discussion and gave it further consideration, in particular due to comments at WP:AN and with Nyttend on their talk page concerning the clarity of the close. And subsequently attempted to better clarify.

As for how to address it, I suppose you could abide by the ban, or appeal it. As I note below, you may appeal the ban to the community if you wish. WP:AN is probably the most likely venue such an appeal, but I'll leave that up to you to decide, with a reminder of what I also mentioned below: Be aware that repetitively appealing in a short time period may be considered disruptive and may even exhaust the community's patience.

I hope this helps clarify. I wish you well. - jc37 06:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Notice

• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive825#Community_sanctions:_The_Rambling_Man.2C_Baseball_Bugs.2C_and_Medeis

This in no way changes the previous notice (including the warning) I left on this talk page, but is merely a notice of a further clarification concerning the close.

In particular that Baseball Bugs, and μηδείς, and The Rambling Man are page banned (See WP:BAN) from the WP:Reference Desk and all it's talk pages, subpages, and any other directly related pages. (If in doubt, ask someone before editing.)

You also may appeal this page ban for yourself at any time, but please be aware that repetitive appeals may be seen as disruptive by the community. - jc37 20:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Linguistic conservativity

Hi medeis,

I was simply trying to find a fitting analogue for Conservative (language) to add to the article, as I find cladistics often useful as comparison – for example, the concept of proto-language corresponds to MRCA. Linguistics doesn't seem to have a term corresponding to "paraphyletic (group/taxon)", although it is often useful to point out that a group is not a true branch/node in the tree (like a clade in biology). Also, the concepts "crown group" and "stem group" (for which no analogue seems to exist in linguistics) can easily be applied to language families: Within Indo-European, the crown group of the total group Celtic is Insular Celtic (provided it is indeed monophyletic), and the stem group is Continental Celtic (which is paraphyletic).

The problem is that "conservative" can be applied to individual traits and features as well as genetic units (single languages as well as entire groups or branches), just like "primitive" could in outdated phylogenetical terminology. For traits, "ancestral" seems to be the best analogue, fine. But "basal" does not appear to be the fitting analogue for genetic units, as I explained. The same in biology, I think: Living fossils (in some definitions) are highly morphologically conservative taxons, superficially nearly unchanged from their ancestors millions of years ago (just like Icelandic is a highly morphologically conservative North Germanic language, superficially nearly unchanged from its Old West Norse ancestor 1000 years ago), but they do not necessarily form a basal group within a wider clade, either, even if they often do.

Thanks for your book recommendation, but Old English and Its Closest Relatives seems to be a popular introduction – I'm pretty sure I know so much about Germanic languages (in all their stages) that it's unlikely that I could learn a lot of new things from the book! :-) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:16, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Clarification

Hi. Based on this, regardless of what discussions are pending, can I understand that the closure of sanction 2 in the original ANI has been reversed? Please respond definitively on my talk page. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for your request for clarification. I'll respond to this at WP:AN at the discussion thread there to try to keep the discussion somewhat united. - jc37 06:21, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Page ban vacated

Hey, Medeis, just letting you know that, after the AN discussion, and after reviewing the close myself, I've decided to vacate your page ban from the Reference Desk. Keep in mind that the interaction ban between you, Bugs, and TRM is still in force. Thanks, Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 09:25, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Interaction ban yet again

Hi. There has been some confusion about the precise terms of your interaction ban, so I'm pasting them here:

The Rambling Man is banned from any interactions with Medeis and Baseball Bugs, indefinitely. Baseball Bugs and Medeis are banned from any interactions with The Rambling Man, indefinitely. These bans include article, talk, wikipedia, and user space, without exception. No mention of the others or their actions shall be permitted. These may be appealed to the community not less than one year after they become effective.

It might be convenient for both you and other people if you were to move the green text to the top of the page and avoid archiving it. Of course that's just a suggestion. Regards, Bishonen | talk 21:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC).

ITN credit

P.S. Perhaps you should archive you talk page as it is very, very long/large now. :) --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:34, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, irregardless, thanks for the credit. μηδείς (talk) 06:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppet.

I see you're hunting puppets of that 78 IP. Did you know you were talking to one?

At first, it seemed coincidental. Plenty of people like Zyprexa and earthquakes. But this is about as clear as it gets. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Has user:Pubserv been blocked, User:InedibleHulk? I don't follow the computer desk unless I have a question up. My comment on Great Time's page was not talking to him, so much as documenting his misdeeds on the talk page itself. Given I am not an admin, it might be better to make these comments to one, such as user:Callanecc who blocked 78 and appears to be a check user active in SPI's. μηδείς (talk) 04:05, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

He's not blocked now. I don't know about previously. Talking, documenting...it's still kind of funny to see. It doesn't bother me so much, but he's been getting a bit weird on my talkpage, and I saw your suspicions, so figured I'd kill two birds with one stone. Now I guess I'll need another stone, but that's still pretty efficient. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:21, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Sin querer parecer mysterioso

Con una sobreabundante de la precaución, a causa de las relaciones comprometedoras mias, no voy a contestar a tu penultima pregunta. μηδείς (talk) 01:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

ITN credit

Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:54, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

hats

Wikipedia:Sign your hat NE Ent 11:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Ukraine

Pointy? When I looked at February 2014 Euromaidan riots yesterday (Tues.), it was a mess, almost impossible to even follow. I was trying to offer an alternative that at least included a readable summary. Since then it's been much improved and I support getting it out there. But I don't appreciate being reprimanded in public. Sca (talk) 15:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Kindly keep your subjective pejorative adjectives to yourself. Thank you. Sca (talk)

Back again, are we? "Pointy" is a) not readily definable and b) not a term suitable to reasoned discourse. Having said that, why not just let it go and move on?

BTW, is there a reason you go by a foreign-language user name on English Wikipedia, and have a user page that reveals nothing about whatever qualifications you might have? Sca (talk) 01:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

ITN

Please don't comment on any of TRM's nominations at ITN, as you did with the Italian PM. Stephen 22:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

This was taken to ANI and AN and no judgment was found that anything had been done improperly, or that I should not comment on ITN threads on which the other user had also commented. μηδείς (talk) 01:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Reference desk

Just browsing the language reference desk archives and some random comments (sometimes I hate that you can't edit archived discussions):

"Don't you know it?" is also a phrase, as in "and – don't you know it? – she was there again".

wikt:dog has the a fairly extensive treatment of the etymology of dog. Everybody keeps forgetting about Wiktionary ...

However, my kooky explanation is that dog is a loan from Mbabaram. And then it became a Wanderwort.

English is not the best language, it just has the longest dick. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:08, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I knew a young Swiss woman on the Internet once who told me she was Jewish but blond and blue-eyed. It's not really surprising if you consider that – even discounting conversions – only the maternal line matters. Cuckoo's eggs, anyone? I'm quite certain that (like any other ethnic group) European (or other) Jews are not particularly "pure", despite endogamy. Which makes it far less surprising that Dutch Jews would not look appreciably different from non-Jewish Dutch, Russian Jews from Russians, German Jews from Germans ... from what I know, they really don't look very Middle-Eastern, despite some stereotypically Jewish traits such as big ears or noses which may have some (statistical) core of truth to them (Marcel Reich-Ranicki's ears have always seemed quite notable to me – not Wikipedia notable, but striking and unmistakable, as does his whole face – although I don't know if it is related to old age). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Except, User:Florian Blaschke, that the Mbaram etymology is well known. My mother's mother was a blonde, blue-eyed Jew. Ich kann ja Deutsch und bin auch vor fast dreissig Jahrne nach Muenchen gefahren. Ich spreche gern po-Russky und Español, und gluabe Latinisch und Griechisch sehr elegant. Mais il n'y a pas de doute que c'etait l'anglais que Dieu parlait dans le jardin d'Eden. Here are the two threads on the dog etymology. μηδείς (talk) 02:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand: I was suggesting (facetiously) that the English word dog was somehow borrowed from Mbabaram, rather than the other way round (and spread into Romance from English).

Oh, es gefällt mir, wenn Du deutsch und französisch sprichst. Wie erotisch. (Wo wir gerade von Wörtern für Hund sprechen ...) Gib mir Tiernamen! ;-) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

No, I didn't misunderstand you. What I meant was that the origin of dog in Mbabaram is too recent to explain the word's presence in Old English, Sardinian, etc. μηδείς (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we have an absolute chronology for the relevant Mbabaram sound-laws, have we? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 04:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

No, but it's certainly not going to be old enough to explain something that seems common to pre-Proto-Basque and Kartvelian, especially since Pama-Nyungen isn't expected to be much more than the age of PIE. μηδείς (talk) 05:10, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits.

Thanks for your excellent work at the Alexian Lien article. I personally felt strongly that the article should not be deleted, but I did not have the time/energy/will for the thorough rewrite it seemed to cry out for. Thank you for your efforts. I am also dropping this note to User:Bali88. Cheers! Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 17:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Bali deserves the vast majority of any credit at this point. μηδείς (talk) 17:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Net Primary Productivity

Hi, I'm responding to your comments about wetland productivity and global O2 supply. You seem to be misunderstanding my objection. I said I wouldn't respond there, and I won't. But I know you are intersted in ecology, so I'd like to clear it up. Wetlands are very productive- I said you were right about that. But your other figures are too low, and you don't have enough different biomes represented. Tropical forest e.g. can fix 1251 gC/m2/yr, and temperate forests are in the 800 range. And they cover massive amounts of land surface. The average for all wetlands is 1229 gC/m2/yr, though I'm sure some can go up to 8000. I didn't have to sign in to see that paper, I purposely chose a source that seemed to be freely accessible. But if you are having problems and would like to see it, I can email that and other refs to you. Suffice it to claim that I am not lying, and the paper reports that ~7% of global NPP is from wetlands. I do know a lot about NPP in different biomes, but it's not clear to me that we can switch to Oxygen cycles without other considerations (I don't say we can't do it, I just don't know offhand what other adjustments and factors need to be considered.) Anyway, regardless of how we switch from NPP to O2 cycling, saying 44% of earth's O2 supply comes from wetlands is just wrong, and that's the record that I was attempting to politely set strait. I see that you did allow for a whole order of magnitude error, and perhaps I should have also "4% NPP is much closer." I also totally agree with you that removing the moon would be catastrophic for life on earth. For what it's worth, I am an expert in plant ecology. I am currently a Ph.D research scientist studying carbon cycles in terrestrial biomes (mostly forest) for a house-hold name USA federal research institution. I say this not to apply to authority, because I think my refs stand on their own. Rather, I just say it as a personal appeal, that I do know what I'm talking about, I'm not just dalying here and scrambling for refs, nor was I looking for some excuse to say your estimate was off.

In this and other issues, please don't think I'm personally attacking you. I did recently say were being disruptive, but that's just my opinion in that one instance - I was criticizing an action, not you as a person. I don't think you're "a troll", and I hope that we can mutually AGF between ourselves in the future. While I'm at it, I'll ping User:Baseball Bugs, because he seems to think that I'm out to get you, but I'm not. Even if we disagree on who/what trolls are out there, I hope he can AGF with me too. SemanticMantis (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think you were attacking me, or lying (!) at all. Don't worry about access to the paper. The site that hosts it wanted me to sign in to facebook, which I did with a dummy account I maintain for just such impertinence, it then started asking me to set up a profile beyond what is on facebook....

My sole point was to do a back of the napkin calculation with the figures I had. The 2% surface and the 8,000gC/M^2/y were a rough estimate. My math and sources were transparent, and I immediately commented that if the real figure was one tenth of my calculation it would mean mass starvation and widespread extinction. Then I get criticized for the 44% figure, as if that was my point, not to argue mass starvation but to defend that number. That's the only thing here that's been bothering me, and I was glad to get your more accurate figures. Oh, and the figure of 140g 426g I gave for the land was an average for all terestrial productivity according to the source, so it includes rainforest as well as desert, and I didn't see a need to complicate the matter any further for the purpose at hand.

I do think Bugs has it quite right that IP 50 at talk is trolling. The yet another well-formatted anonymous complaint is not, why do have an anonymous user asking for prediction and debate about the moon, but why did I offer numbers that people disagreed with (even though I doubted them and qualified them myself)? Rather than ping bugs, I think you maybe archiving that thread if it hasn't already been would be useful. μηδείς (talk) 19:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad there's no hard feelings. Tone is so hard to tell with text. As for that thread, I don't really care to close it. I've never closed anything on the ref desks, and I'm not inclined to start now :) I just mentioned Bugs so that he saw my message that I'm not out to get you, and that even if we disagree on what trolling is or who is doing it, I hope he'll AGF with me. SemanticMantis (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 4

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 4, February 2014

News for February from your Wikipedia Library.

Donations drive: news on TWL's partnership efforts with publishers

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Harold Ramis

I know the guideline perfectly well. That paragraph is a memorial tribute, nothing more. How do we know? Because It's non-notable: Every celebrity who dies suddenly gets a fan memorial somewhere or other. It's indiscriminate trivia and it violates Wikipedia is not a fan page. How many vios does something need before it's considered vandalism? --Tenebrae (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

RE: ITN nom article deletion

Not sure what you are referring to. Ive not that done that before and if there was something I removed entirely it may have been a mistake vs. intention. Unless you are talking about the Pakistan redirect? I dint comment on that in ITN at all. So ITN doesn't aeven apply there, being BOLD is not a reason to threatehn ANI.

If you want to comment on user talk pages, you need to reference what you are talking babout as users generally edit more than one content.Lihaas (talk) 06:51, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

RE: My talk page

no probs, best forgotten. and thanks for your heads up ;)(Lihaas (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)).

Re: Prog Rock

From your recent comments at the Reference Desk: "Seriously. Is there some sort of way we can have User:RomanSpa banned? I don't mean from Wikipedia. I mean like from the universe of all acceptable people? And I don't even like cats. Dayamn." You've pretty much exemplified exactly what it is I hate about prog rock right there: it's not so much the music, which I find undergraduate-ishly uninteresting, as the pompous, exclusionary, judgmental, self-important attitudes of its listeners. Who died and made you king of critical opinion? RomanSpa (talk) 11:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh, but just be aware the mock hostility was in defense only of Pink Floyd. I wouldn't call myself a fan of prog rock, and I usually see the term as demeaning. My tastes are more mature, like thrash and crunk. μηδείς (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Notifying editors of noticeboard reports

When you create a report at a noticeboard, as you did [28], it is essential to inform any editors involved that you have done so. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I do believe I did ping a few, my concern was the thread itself, not any one editor. I will be certain to notify everyone explicitly in any similar occasions in the future. μηδείς (talk) 17:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)