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Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

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{{subst:NewDYKnom
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 30

Rice production in Romania

... that Romania is the sixth largest producer of rice in the European Union?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 09:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1957 Maryland Terrapins football team

... that the 1957 Maryland Terrapins football season included a game attended by Queen Elizabeth II?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 05:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Topp

... that Bob Topp helped the New York Giants defeat the Cleveland Browns in 1956 by intercepting radio signals used

to relay plays onto the field from the Browns' bench? Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spot-fixing

... that a 1995 spot-fixing scandal was thwarted by a Premiership footballer's underhit pass?

Created by Francium12 (talk). Nominated by Francium12 (talk) at 01:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Eli Clark

... that Alaska Territorial Governor Walter Eli Clark was interested in rose cultivation and President of the American Rose Society?

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 00:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of NME number-one singles from the 1970s

A black-and-white photograph of four males playing in a band; one drummer, two guitarists and a vocalist.

... that the NME chart placed Sex Pistols' "God Save the Queen" at number one even though the song was banned by some major retailers?

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 29

Alexander Pendarves

... that MP Alexander Pendarves, was listed as a member of the October Club?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Megaliths in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern

... that of more than 1,000 megaliths in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (example pictured), 144 have been excavated since 1945?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 05:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that according to folklore, dwarves guard treasures hidden in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern's megalith tombs (example pictured)?

Tom Beckman

... that Michigan linebacker Tom Beckman worked more than 30 years for General Motors where he was in charge of new vehicle launches?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valerie Bettis

... that Valerie Bettis was the first modern dance choreographer to work with a major ballet company?

5x expanded by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Anderson (baseball)

... that during his service in the United States Army in World War II, professional baseball player Andy Anderson was taken captive by German soldiers and was later rescued from a Stalag?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 01:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

George Roubicek

... that actor George Roubicek had small roles in The Dirty Dozen, Doctor Who and the first Star Wars film before becoming a dialogue director who dubs foreign films into English?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 01:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

827th Tank Destroyer Battalion

... that the 827th Tank Destroyer Battalion of the US Army was withdrawn from combat after less than a month's service, after reports that officers had needed to threaten to shoot their own men?

ALT1:... that when first ordered into combat in 1945, the 827th Tank Destroyer Battalion of the US Army had three men shot in brawls before it even left camp?
Comment: I personally prefer the second, but I'm not sure how best to phrase it to make it clear they shot each other, rather than encountering opposition surprisingly early...

Created by Shimgray (talk). Nominated by Shimgray (talk) at 00:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom of the press in Ukraine

... that press freedom in Ukraine has never been rated higher that "partly free" by Freedom House?

Created by User:Mariah-Yulia (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

J.D. Short

... that the American Delta blues singer, J.D. Short, had both of his testicles shot off?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tō

... that Japanese pagodas, with very rare exceptions, have an odd number of tiers?

Created by Urashimataro (talk). Nominated by Urashimataro (talk) at 23:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Alderton

... that University of Maryland football co-captain Gene Alderton lost a tooth the week before he was scheduled to meet Queen Elizabeth II in a pre-game ceremony against North Carolina?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 23:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gil Chapman

... that Gil Chapman was Michigan's career leader in kickoff return yards and the first African-American elected to office in Elizabeth, New Jersey?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

LeFleur's Bluff State Park

... that LeFleur's Bluff State Park is named for a French Canadian trader who established a trading post in what is now Jackson, Mississippi?

5x expanded by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 22:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Legislative Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir

... that 24 seats in the Legislative Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir are for constituencies currently lying in Pakistan-administered Kashmir and thus are officially vacant?

Created by S h i va (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 21:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Black Betsy

... that Shoeless Joe Jackson's Black Betsy broke the record for the most expensive baseball bat in history, selling for $577,610 in 2001?

Created by Secret (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wilford Bacon Hoggatt

... that due to potential tax implications, Governor Wilford Bacon Hoggatt (pictured) opposed granting the District of Alaska territorial status?

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 20:41, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lagrivea

... that the fossil squirrel Lagrivea is characterized by deep basins in its teeth?

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bombings in Mogadishu

Skyline of Mogadishu

... that the May 2010 Mogadishu bombings were the deadliest bombings in Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia, since the 2009 Hotel Shamo bombing?

Created by Neelix (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taurus-Littrow

... that the Taurus-Littrow valley, the landing site of Apollo 17 on the Moon, is deeper than the Grand Canyon?

Created by Tyrol5 (talk). Self nom at 18:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christos Adamidis

... that Greek aviator Christos Adamidis, landed his Farman MF.7 in the central square of his home place, Ioannina, as soon as the city came under Greek control, during the Balkan Wars (1912-1913)?

Created/expanded by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Appalachian Cottontail

... that the Appalachian Cottontail (pictured) is unique among cottontails because it eats conifer needles?

5x expanded by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 17:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nikephoritzes

... that the eunuch official Nikephoritzes was the chief minister and effective governor of the Byzantine Empire during most of the reign of Michael VII Doukas?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Bettesworth-Trevanion

... that after Penryn MP John Bettesworth-Trevanion rebuilt Caerhays as a Gothic-style castle, he fell into debt and fled abroad?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 16:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Penryn MP John Bettesworth-Trevanion was described as "the very arbiter elegantiarum"? --Rosiestep (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Somerset County Cricket Club in 1891

... that in 1891, Somerset County Cricket Club joined the County Championship?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 16:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Réseau Breton 4-6-0 tank locomotives

... that two of the twelve 4-6-0T locomotives (example pictured) built for the Réseau Breton have been preserved?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 16:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zennor Quoit

... that in 1861, a local Cornish farmer proposed to destroy the ancient Zennor Quoit site but was prevented by the vicar who payed him a financial incentive to build his cowshed elsewhere?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 16:14, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, hook's ref verified. Added punctuation after the date. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Dannenberg

... that in April 1945 Martin Dannenberg, a Jewish U.S. Army intelligence officer, found an original copy of the Nazi Nuremberg Laws signed by Adolf Hitler in a Bavarian bank vault?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kampung Boy (television series)

... that American voice actors "kept slipping into a Jamaican accent" when voicing Malaysian characters in Kampung Boy?

Created by Jappalang (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that academics consider Kampung Boy the animated television series a cultural artefact, bearing witness to Malaysian society's rural-urban transition?

Current article size is 14 kB (2321 words). Jappalang (talk) 14:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Kampung Boy

... that "naughty ones with ... bushy hair" fill the pages of The Kampung Boy?

5x expanded by Jappalang (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that to a Kampung Boy, having the foreskin of his penis sliced off is "just like an ant bite"?
ALT2: ... that Malaysian graphic novel The Kampung Boy was not first published in the country's official language and was later translated back to it?
ALT3: ... that the language in the United States version of Malaysian graphic novel The Kampung Boy was left mostly untouched because the publisher judged its customers capable of understanding foreign words?

I expanded the article from 3082 B (507 words) to 19 kB (3229 words). Jappalang (talk) 14:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lat

... that to be permitted to draw political cartoons in 1975, Lat (pictured) had to win over his chief editor by offering up Malaysian Prime Minister Hussein Onn on a camel?

5x expanded by Jappalang (talk). Self nom at 14:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Lat (pictured) was made a datuk (a Malaysian knight) and a Professor of Anthropology and Sociology for drawing funny pictures of his fellow country men?
ALT2: ... that Paul McCartney's music inspires Lat (pictured) to draw fashionable girls?

Added two ALTs. Note that expansion is from 3532 B (598 words) to 35 kB (5872 words). Jappalang (talk) 14:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incredible work. You are amazingly resourceful. This article is well on its way to becoming a feature. You should go for it. If you want any help copyediting just ask.21:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC) Dr. Blofeld

National Commission on Police Reform

... that Venezuela's 2006 National Commission on Police Reform proposed a new model of policing, with a new police force specifically trained in human rights?

Created by Rd232 (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arvid G. Hansen, Arbeideren, Arbeidet

... that Arvid G. Hansen edited both Arbeideren and Arbeidet, the latter in a time when Arbeidet struggled because Arbeideren was prioritized by their common owner?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 11:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arbeideren (Hamar)

... that competitors of the Hamar newspaper Demokraten (later Arbeideren) refused to mention it by name in their columns?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 11:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen Hillingsø

... that actress Ellen Hillingsø is the goddaughter of Queen Margrethe II of Denmark?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 11:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Angelli Spumante & Aperitive

... that the Angelli Spumante & Aperitive company owns one of the most modern alcohol producing facility in Europe?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 10:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I think this is problematic for two reasons, that this claim relies on a statement on the company's own web site, hardly third-party RS and more SELFPUB, and that it smacks of embellishment that is so common among company self-descriptions uninterested in neutral language. Yes it may well be "modern", but one of the most by whose standards? MURGH ^talk 15:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Angelli Cherry sparkling wine owned by the Angelli Spumante & Aperitive company is sold in around 4 million bottles per year in Romania?

Jewish lawyer

... that the concept of the Jewish lawyer is a common stereotype of Jews, with Jews and Jewish lawyers depicted as clever, greedy, exploitative, dishonest, and engaging in moral turpitude and excessive legalism?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 03:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oy vey... Object! The article is bad enough, but having this sentence on the front page is not this Jewish lawyer's idea of fun. -- Y not? 05:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC

Do you mean that I have crafted the article in a bad way or that the subject matter is itself bad? Christopher Connor (talk) 05:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is dubious, but the proposed hook just promotes the stereotype. I've proposed a more acceptable hook below. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the concept of the Jewish lawyer is a stock character and common stereotype of Jews?

Better.—Sandahl (talk) 05:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also fine with this one. Christopher Connor (talk) 05:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No I didn't know that - because it's simply not true. At least not in Britain, as far as I'm aware. Just because the US has huge hangups about the race thing, there's no need to assume that the rest of the world labours under the same burden. Either make it clear that this is a US-specific stereotype, or perhaps better, do something with the German laws that targetted them. I didn't know about those, so that was more interesting for me in any case. You're always on safer ground talking about past prejudices than current ones - and on blaming bad stuff on the Nazis... Le Deluge (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Robert S. Ingersoll

... that Borg-Warner CEO Robert S. Ingersoll supported "better housing, economic opportunities and voting rights for the colored race" , noting that the firm's "labor force will be increasingly Negro"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:03, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plebiscite Front

... that the Plebiscite Front became the principal opposition to the state government of Jammu and Kashmir in the 1960s before merging into the National Conference in 1975?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 01:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Visa policy of South Korea

... that according to the Visa policy of South Korea, Canadian citizens are the only country to receive 6 month visa-free entry?

5x expanded by Crossmr (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 28

Darryl Stonum

... that, after receiving contact lenses in 2010, Michigan wide receiver Darryl Stonum reported, "I could see everything like in HD"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

alt 1 ... that wide receiver Darryl Stonum broke Michigan's single season record with 1,001 kickoff return yards in 2009? Cbl62 (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Carpenter (American football)

... that Michigan tackle Jack Carpenter later played for the Toronto Argonauts and was described as "the pillar of strength on the Argos' front wall"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Cullen

... that after John Cullen's National Hockey League career was ended due to cancer, he operated a car dealership until Chrysler closed him down?

5x expanded by Resolute (talk). Nominated by Resolute (talk) at 00:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ole Gausdal

... that as a member of the Parliament of Norway, Ole Gausdal proposed total disarmament?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Labour Elector

... that the publication of the British newspaper Labour Elector was discontinued in 1890 as its editor H. H. Champion travelled to Australia?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 15:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yorkshire Factory Times

... that the socialist-oriented newspaper Yorkshire Factory Times began as an off-shoot of a conservative publication in 1899?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Bachrach

... that while historian Fred Bachrach was a Japanese prisoner of war he was allowed to keep a copy of the works of William Shakespeare by convincing the guards that it was a "holy book"?

Created by Jackyd101. Nominated by Jackyd101 at 13:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

King of the Ring (2008)

... that the 2008 King of the Ring event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment featured Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama impersonators in a match?

5x expanded by Richard "Wrestler" Lopez (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 07:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Star Wars Uncut

... that Star Wars Uncut is a fan film made up of 473 15-second clips, submitted by Internet users, that amount to a shot-for-shot remake of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 23:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All Saints' Church, Harewood

... that the alabaster monuments in All Saints' Church, Harewood, West Yorkshire, (pictured) comprise the largest collection of such monuments in an English parish church within the dates 1419–1510?

5x expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 21:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Haus des Meeres, Tourist attractions in Vienna

... that in 2009 the Haus des Meeres attracted a record high number of visitors while attendance at other tourist attractions in Vienna abruptly dropped? self-nom, new, East of Borschov 20:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Robert Monsell

... that in 1935 Irish children's illustrator John Robert Monsell composed the songs and music, and designed the sets, for an operetta based on Sheridan's The Rivals?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 16:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zangmu Dam

... that to India's dismay, China's Zangmu Dam, will be the first on the Brahmaputra River?

Created/self-nom by --NortyNort (Holla) 16:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Honor C. Appleton

... that Honor C. Appleton illustrated more than 100 children's books between 1902 and 1950?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 15:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bank Hall, Bretherton

... that the oldest yew tree in Lancashire is in the gardens of the 2003 BBC Restoration (TV series) first candidate Bank Hall, Bretherton, Lancashire (pictured). The Gardens also feature carpets of Snowdrops and one of two fallen sequoia trees in the United Kingdom.

Created by User:Bankhallbretherton (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comprehensive and interesting article, but not new or significantly expanded so far as I can see. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

H. Willebeek Le Mair

... that Dutch illustrator H. Willebeek Le Mair published her first book Premières Rondes Enfantines in Paris in 1904 at the age of fifteen?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 14:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article (it is a good and informative piece of work, btw) lacks inline citations. Please, see DYK rules, #3. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done Inline citations entered. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 12:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, length and DYK hook verified. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 12:59, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lectionary 283 and Biblioteca Communale

... that Lectionary 283 is housed at the Biblioteca Communale in Siena?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 14:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: surely a more interesting hook is possible??? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that Lectionary 283 is housed at the Biblioteca Communale in Siena since 1786? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still not exactly fascinating... how about;

ALT2 ... that the first five columns of Lectionary 283, a Greek manuscript of New Testament gospel lessons housed at the Biblioteca Communale in Siena, are written in gold? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice hook. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Drežnik Viaduct

... that the 2,485 metres (8,153 ft) long Drežnik Viaduct is the longest viaduct in Croatia?

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and hook verified. The foreign language citation accepted in good faith: Samo vijadukt Drežnik dug je dva i pol kilometra(!), i to je najdulji vijadukt u Hrvatskoj. [1], (in Croatian). --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 10:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eugène Olaussen

... that Eugène Olaussen, a one-time personal acquaintance of Lenin, shifted view and wrote in Nazi publications during WWII?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 13:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Nikolaus of Thurn and Taxis (1885–1919)

... that Prince Nikolaus of Thurn and Taxis renounced his princely rights and title to marry actress Carola Reichenberger in 1913?

Created by Caponer (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old Holy Trinity Church, Wentworth

... that the chancel and a chapel of Old Holy Trinity Church, Wentworth, South Yorkshire (pictured) are intact, but the nave is a ruin, and the tower has been truncated?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vistula delta Mennonites

... that Vistula delta Mennonites founded the first Russian Mennonite settlement in Chortitza in 1789?

Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 12:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Millicent Sowerby

... that Millicent Sowerby illustrated 30 sets in the Postcards for the Little Ones series, and was one of the first to illustrate Alice in Wonderland when it went out of copyright in 1907?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 11:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Axel Drolsum

... that under Axel Drolsum's time as head of the University Library of Oslo, he successfully worked for reinstating the legal deposit in Norway?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 10:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Nachumi

... that Israeli ace Amir Nachumi scored 7 aerial kills while flying the F-4 Phantom II (pictured) and 7 kills flying the F-16 Fighting Falcon?

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When? Which war?

OK, but it's long. ALT1: ... that Israeli ace Amir Nachumi scored 7 aerial kills while flying the F-4 Phantom II (pictured) during the Yom Kippur War and 7 kills flying the F-16 Fighting Falcon during fighting over Lebanon in the early 1980s? Poliocretes (talk) 11:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"He scored 7 aerial kills " is rather brutal isn't it? "Scored" looks horrid, almost like it is a computer game rather than human lives. Dr. Blofeld 21:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded, this type of language is not suitable for an encyclopedia. --Soman (talk) 04:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is commonly used language when discussing such matters, even on Wikipedia. Flying ace - "He scored the most kills in World War I"; VFA-2 - "scored aerial kills"; Richard Minifie - "went on to score seventeen aerial victories"; Fred J. Christensen - "scored 21.5 aerial victories". The list goes on and on, there's nothing unencyclopedic about it.

OK, how about : ALT2: ... that Amir Nachumi was credited with 7 aerial victories while flying the F-4 Phantom II (pictured) during the Yom Kippur War and 7 victories flying the F-16 Fighting Falcon during fighting over Lebanon in the early 1980s? Poliocretes (talk) 07:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lourdes Robles

... that Puerto-Rican singer Lourdes Robles recorded a Spanish language cover version of "The Long and Winding Road" originally performed by The Beatles?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 08:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 08:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deriner Dam

... that when completed, the Deriner Dam will be the tallest in Turkey?

5x expanded/self-nom by --NortyNort (Holla) 07:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Latin Grammy Award for Best New Artist

... that the first recipient of the Latin Grammy Award for Best New Artist died in 2005 of multiple organ failure?

5x expanded by Jaespinoza (talk) 05:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC). Nominated by Jaespinoza (talk) 05:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC) at 05:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would it not be more interesting to state that he won the "new artist" category at the age of 73, after he had been performing for 60 years? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: that Cuban singer Ibrahim Ferrer won the Latin Grammy Award for Best New Artist at age 73, after he had been performing for 60 years?. Jaespinoza (talk) 02:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Gulf Stream (painting)

... that Winslow Homer sarcastically explained that the figure in The Gulf Stream (painting) "will be rescued & returned to his friends and home, & ever after live happily."?

5x expanded by JNW (talk). Nominated by JNW (talk) at 04:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1941 Stanford Indians football team

... that despite the 1941 Stanford Indians being considered a favorite for the national championship, head coach Clark Shaughnessy correctly predicted at least two losses for his team?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 04:20, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Tarrant

... that British illustrator Margaret Tarrant launched her career at the age of 20 with Kingsley's The Water Babies?

Created by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 03:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bangladesh Khelafat Majlish

... that despite her party's policy of secularism, the Awami League leader and current Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed made a pact with the Islamist Bangladesh Khelafat Majlish, creating an electoral alliance?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 02:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pls trim the hook to 200 or fewer characters long. It's 220 characters long now. --PFHLai (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that despite her party's policy of secularism, Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed had created an alliance with the Islamist Bangladesh Khelafat Majlish?

I'll go with this one (I've taken the liberty of removing the words "electoral" and "current", and added "had", since this pact expired well before the 2008 election that brought her to power. Shiva (Visnu) 18:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 27

Jack Karwales

... that Jack Karwales spent time as a Wolverine, Bear, and Cardinal, and a coach of Billikens?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valonia ventricosa

... that "sailors' eyeballs" are one of the largest single-celled organisms?

Created by User:Theornamentalist (talk). Nominated by User:Theornamentalist (talk) at 02:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length, fact verified, image is PD. I think it should be singular, like in ALT1 ... that "sailors' eyeballs" (pictured) is one of the largest single-celled organisms? Materialscientist (talk) 06:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double-headed serpent

... that the Aztec Double-headed serpent's surface is covered with a mosaic of turquoise, crab shell and smail shell?

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 21:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yukon Wolf

... that the Yukon Wolf Conservation and Management Plan involved controlling the population of the Yukon Wolf in the Yukon through aerial wolf hunting?

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suzy Spafford

... that cartoonist Suzy Spafford, creator of the whimsical animal characters known as Suzy's Zoo, has been drawing since she was 3 years old?

5x expanded by MelanieN (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ovachlamys fulgens

... that the important orchid pest snail Ovachlamys fulgens (pictured) can suddenly move several inches?

Created by Snek01 (talk). Nominated by Snek01 (talk) at 11:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Horňácko

... that the folk festival (pictured) held in Horňácko is focused solely on the authentic folklore of the region?

Created by Vejvančický (talk), Hrdinský (talk). Nominated by Vejvančický (talk) at 09:56, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length, DYK hook and image license verified. Good to go. Excellent! --Snek01 (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ceratobasidium cornigerum

… that fungi in the Ceratobasidium cornigerum complex cause diseases such as "silky threadblight", "sharp eyespot", "yellow patch", and "black rot"?

5x expanded by RunningClam (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 05:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that Ceratobasidium cornigerum fungi theaten your tea and biscuits? Le Deluge (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

E. Normus Johnson

... that E. Normus Johnson is a fictional advertising mascot depicted in comic art on t-shirts that use double entendres?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wayne Ambler

... that Philadelphia Athletics manager Connie Mack (pictured) gave Wayne Ambler money for tuition when he attended Duke University?

ALT1:... that due to his financial situation, professional baseball player Wayne Ambler (pictured) had to take the bus and subway to work when he was a member of the Philadelphia Athletics?
ALT2:... that professional baseball player Wayne Ambler (pictured) fought in Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge in Antwerp as a member of the United States Navy during World War II?
ALT3:... that after professional baseball player Wayne Ambler (pictured) retired he coached Little League Baseball, including an all-star team featuring Reggie Jackson?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 00:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length, primary hook all check. However, if a picture is used, it should be the picture of Ambler, who is the subject of the article, not Connie Mack. Rlendog (talk) 02:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's a specific rule. The Mack image is used in the Ambler article, so there shouldn't be an issue. I used it over the Ambler image in the first hook since it is a featured image. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 04:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why use the picture of Mack when he is not mentioned in the hook?--Ishtar456 (talk) 14:05, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I should have noted this, but that's why I used two images. When it say's "pictured" by Mack's name, the image of Mack should be included. When it says "pictured" next to Ambler's name, his image should be used. Again, the only reason I used the image of Mack in the first hook was because it is a featured picture. For the other hooks, the Ambler image should be used. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But why use his picture at all? He is not mentioned in the hook.--Ishtar456 (talk) 20:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes he is. In the first hook it states, "Philadelphia Athletics manager Connie Mack (pictured)". In the rest of the hooks, the Ambler image should be used. That's why I put both of them in. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, my bad.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Atari 2600 homebrew

... that over 100 Atari 2600 homebrew games have been created since the 2600 was withdrawn from the market in 1992?

Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is not cited in article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 23:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The ^[4] reference in the third paragraph of the article (where the hook appears) links to a page which lists 100+ entries... unless I'm misunderstanding? 28bytes (talk) 00:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see - I was looking at the "History" section. I checked the source, but there does not appear to be anything there which verifies that the 100 games were released after the 2600 was withdrawn. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 00:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The same source defines homebrew games as those being released in 1995 or later: [2] (which is cited a little further down in the article.) Should that cite be moved further up? Or am I better off rephrasing the hook? 28bytes (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No worries; all checked now. I added the citation to the sentence I had first noticed as well, since what that sentence says is more along the lines of the hook. Seems good to go! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 06:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Michael Faraday

... that valuation expert Philip Michael Faraday composed comic operas before producing shows in the West End of London and managed to recover from a1914 bankruptcy?

Created by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 21:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that Philip Michael Faraday authored a standard book on property taxes before writing comic operas, including the curtain raiser to H.M.S. Pinafore? Le Deluge (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Padusoy

... that invoking paduasoy silk for 18th-century local colour has got historical novelists into errors about a Paduan origin?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Willie Wilkins

... that the American Memphis blues guitarist, singer and songwriter, Joe Willie Wilkins, had the childhood nickname of "Walking Seeburg"?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 20:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Milk Pail Restaurant

... that the Country Tea Room, a predecessor to the Milk Pail Restaurant (pictured), was opened in 1926 by Max McGraw, the inventor of the Toastmaster?

Created by Teemu08 (talk). Self nom at 19:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who's That Girl (soundtrack)

... that Madonna with the song "Who's That Girl", included in the soundtrack of the same name, became the first female performer to get six number-ones in the 1980s as a solo act, in the US Billboard Hot 100?

5x expanded by Legolas2186 (talk) and Tbhotch (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the title track of the album Who's That Girl made Madonna the first solo female performer to get six US number-ones in the 1980s? (not perfect, but better) Le Deluge (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Sophie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach

... that Princess Sophie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach and two others became embroiled in a small diplomatic scandal leading up to the 1937 wedding of Dutch Crown Princess Juliana?

Created by Ruby2010 (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Nazi government's withholding of Princess Sophie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach's passport was considered by the Dutch government to be "an insult to the Queen"? Ruby2010 (talk) 18:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary's Church, Lead

... that St Mary's Church, Lead, North Yorkshire, (pictured) is known locally as the Ramblers' Church because it was saved in the 1930s by a local group of ramblers?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manila Police District

... that Arthur MacArthur, Jr. (pictured) is considered to be the first chief of the Manila Police District?

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Nominated by Howard the Duck (talk) at 16:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1: The Manila Police District, with the motto "Manila's Finest," was harshly criticized with their handling of the Manila hostage crisis? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Peter's Church, Wintringham

... that the art historian Nikolaus Pevsner described St Peter's Church, Wintringham, as "the most rewarding church in the East Riding" (of Yorkshire)?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Michel Montignac

... that Michel Montignac developed a glycemic index-based plan to help himself lose weight, which led to a book promoting his Montignac diet which has sold 16 million copies worldwide?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bartlett Dam

... that the Bartlett Dam (pictured) is the first dam of its type constructed by the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation?

5x expanded/self-nom by --NortyNort (Holla) 12:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel (singer)

... that American recording artist Miguel signed a recording contract with Jive Records after submitting a highly personal song entitled "Sure Thing"?

Created by Explicit (talk). Nominated by Explicit (talk) at 08:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal structure of boron-rich metal borides

... that the crystal structure of boron-rich metal borides may contain extended atomic units shaped as "superpolyhedra" and "tubes" (pictured)?

Comment: ALT1 ... that the unit cell of rare-earth metal borides may contain more than 1500 atoms? see Fig. 21 for the first hook and section REB₆₆-type borides for the second. Fig. 21 combines modeling and actual electron miscroscopy images. In the left part of the image, tubes are standing inside every green "circle". Materialscientist (talk) 06:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Nominated by Materialscientist (talk) at 06:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Superb article - suggest there may be more eye catching pics as this needs to be a lead DYK. Victuallers (talk) 16:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jirrawun Arts

... that Jirrawun Arts was founded in 1998 after Indigenous Australian artist Freddie Timms decided that $300 and a cheap suit wasn't fair pay for a month's work painting pictures?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 14:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Caerhays Castle

... that the garden of Caerhays Castle is home to the largest collection of magnolias in England?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 06:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 13:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lee and Kennedy

... that Kensington (Olympia) station lies on part of the grounds of Lee and Kennedy, the prominent nurserymen in Hammersmith, London, who introduced the Chilean fuchsia, Fuchsia magellanica, to English gardens in 1788?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too long hook. ALT: ... that Kensington (Olympia) station lies on part of the grounds of Lee and Kennedy, the prominent nurserymen in Hammersmith who introduced the Chilean fuchsia to English gardens in 1788?

That looks good to me.--Wetman (talk) 14:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

exercise and music

... that research on the interplay between exercise and music has found that faster-tempo music motivates people to work harder when performing at a moderate pace but that peak performance is unaffected?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 26

Luitingh-Sijthoff, Albertus Willem Sijthoff

A.W. Sijthoff

... that Dutch publisher Luitingh-Sijthoff was founded in the "city of books" by Albertus W. Sijthoff, who opposed the Berne Convention because he felt copyright restrictions stifled the industry?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 08:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New England Cottontail

... that in the southern counties of Maine the New England Cottontail (pictured) has been reduced to perhaps 250 individuals?

5x expanded by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 01:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length (> 5x expansion) and ref verified. Article expansion started 26 Aug so after article gets moved to that date group, it's good to go. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done Article moved to Aug 26. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 21:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Milford Oyster Festival

... that Linda McMahon plunged a firefighter in a dunk tank in the "Dunk your favorite firefighter" Milford Oyster Festival activity during her 2010 campaign for a seat in the US Senate?

ALT1:... that the Milford Oyster Festival, billed the largest one-day festival in New England and listed among the top 10 annual events in Connecticut, draws over 50,000 attendees each year?
Comment: fact in main hook not directly in text of source, but in the video that is embedded there.

Created by Codehydro (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

King of the Ring (1997)

... that the World Wrestling Federation's 1997 King of the Ring event led to a storyline in which different races fought against each other?

5x expanded by Richard "Wrestler" Lopez (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 15:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Somawathiya National Park, Flood Plains National Park, Maduru Oya National Park

... that Maduru Oya (pictured), Wasgamuwa, Flood Plains, and Somawathiya of Sri Lanka are the four national parks declared under the Mahaweli Development Project?

Comment: The hook is in Maduru Oya National Park#History and cultural heritage section, hook source is offline and in Sinhala, but can be verified partially by this and this. Wasgamuwa is a former DYK article.--Chanaka L (talk) 11:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 11:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rogelio Álvarez

... that professional baseball player Rogelio Álvarez failed to report to spring training with the Washington Senators in 1963 because he was unable to leave Cuba for the United States?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 00:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Committee of 100 on the Federal City

... that the first two chairmen of the Committee of 100 on the Federal City were Frederic Delano (uncle of Franklin D. Roosevelt) and Owen Roberts, U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Redmond

... that Nathan Redmond became Birmingham City Football Club's second-youngest player ever when he made his first-team debut in August 2010 at the age of 16 years and 173 days?

Created by Will bcfc (talk). Nominated by Struway2 (talk) at 13:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jenkins' whipray

... that the usually plain-colored Jenkins' whipray (pictured) has a spotted variant once considered to be a different species, the dragon stingray?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Darrell Harper

... that former Michigan halfback Darrell Harper scored the first points and kicked the first field goal and extra point in the history of the Buffalo Bills?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 03:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tlayacapan

... that the town of Tlayacapan, Morelos, Mexico is the origin of the Chinelos (pictured)?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Musselbed Shoals Light

... that ice shifted the original, one-room Musselbed Shoals Light by four feet in 1875?

Created by Mangoe (talk). Nominated by Mangoe (talk) at 23:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

nice hook Victuallers (talk) 15:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Lucid

... that Operation Lucid was a British plan to use fire ships to attack invasion barges that were gathering in ports on the northern coast of France in preparation for a German invasion of Britain in 1940?

Created by Gaius Cornelius (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: moved from user space to article space today.
Looks good although some minor copyediting would be desirable. Mangoe (talk) 23:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

copyediting complete (several people have contributed) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that Operation Lucid was a plan to "singe Mr Hitler's moustache" in 1940? Le Deluge (talk) 15:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ye Xiaowen

... that Chinese Director of Religious Affairs Ye Xiaowen said that Buddhism has a "unique role in promoting a harmonious society"?

Created by Quigley (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kai G. Henriksen

... that having completed the advanced WSET course, CEO of Vinmonopolet Kai G. Henriksen is the company's first director to achieve a wine trade education?

5x expanded by Murgh (talk). Self nom at 21:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that having completed the advanced WSET course, CEO of Norwegian alcohol monopoly Vinmonopolet Kai G. Henriksen is the company's first director to achieve a wine education?

Jack Newnes

... that Welsh half-back Jack Newnes was the only footballer ever to be capped at international level while playing for Nelson?

Created by BigDom (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St James' Church, Stretham

... that the 1876 clock on the east face of the tower of St James' Church, Stretham, (pictured), is by JB Joyce & Co of Whitchurch, Shropshire, the oldest firm of tower clockmakers in the world?

Created by Senra (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Endelienta

... that the Cornish Saint Endelienta is believed to have subsisted on the milk of a cow?

5x expanded by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 20:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  date, length, citation of hook

suggested Alt:

... that Cornish Saint Endelienta, a hermit, is believed to have subsisted solely on the milk of a cow who was also her only companion?--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the alternative suggestion, sounds good to me. Says a bit more about who she was. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 New York City cab stabbing

... that New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg condemned the 2010 New York City cab stabbing, saying that it was "counter to everything New Yorkers believe"?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 20:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How does this single semi-random drunken stabbing not violate WP:NOTNEWS? It's only not a minor local story by dint of the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" controversy, not a subject of independent enduring importance. - Dravecky (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel as such, then you should put it up for AfD and that would stall this nomination until the AfD's completion. Otherwise, your opinion of its notability doesn't matter in terms of the nomination. Silverseren^C 20:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from that, the hook is rather bland; the fact that a mayor doesn't quite like it when someone is attacked in his city is not especially surprising. Ucucha 20:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the nominator agrees, how about...

- (Alt 1)... that Ahmed Sharif, the victim in the 2010 New York City cab stabbing, still believes in the American Dream, regardless of the event? Silverseren^C 20:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Much better. Ucucha 21:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Trinity Church, Wensley

... that Holy Trinity Church, Wensley, North Yorkshire, (pictured) contains a screen moved from Easby Abbey at the Dissolution of the Monasteries?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Chinoy

... that the books Actors on Acting and Directors on Directing by Helen Chinoy, collections of essays about theatre, have been used widely as college texts and remained in print for more than 50 years?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length hook is not cited and the same sentence is written twice.--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional source has been added for hook and duplicated sentence has been removed. Alansohn (talk) 02:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence "She wrote an essay to introduce the book, which has been used over the years as a college textbook" needs a citation and the other book mentioned here needs to have the same thing said about it in the article as in the hook and needs citation.--Ishtar456 (talk) 11:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palasë

... that Palasë, on the Albanian Riviera, is built around a 100 year-old platanus (plane tree) , which is the pride of the village?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Sulmues (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 18:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length and hook verified. Seems like a charming place, why don't you guys include one of the pictures from the article in the hook? Todor →Bozhinov 12:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Menarsha synagogue attack

... that nobody was ever convicted for the Menarsha synagogue attack in which 12 people were killed?

Created by Chesdovi (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date and hook citation length should be 1500 characters or more, this is only 1327. Also I suggest This Alt: ... that nobody was ever convicted for the 1949 Menarsha synagogue attack in Syria, in which 12 people were killed?

--Ishtar456 (talk) 04:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded it. Instead of "in which 12 people were killed" maybe "which left 12 people dead" is better? Chesdovi (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

length good now. This is the Alt agreed upon by both reviewer and nominator:

... that nobody was ever convicted for the 1949 Menarsha synagogue attack in Syria, which left 12 people dead?--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

L'Hermitage Slave Village Archeological Site

... that the L'Hermitage Slave Village Archeological Site (pictured) had one of the largest slave populations in Maryland, and was noted for harsh conditions?

5x expanded by Acroterion (talk| Self nom at 16:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Stackhouse

... that the American Delta blues guitarist and singer, Houston Stackhouse, taught Robert Nighthawk how to play the guitar?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

David Rowland

... that the 40/4 stacking chair created by David Rowland, which won the grand prize at the 1965 Milan Triennale, got its name from the fact that 40 chairs could be nested in a stack 4 feet (120 cm) high?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tabley House

... that the manor of Nether Tabley in Cheshire, including Tabley Old Hall and Tabley House (pictured), was owned by the Leicester family for almost exactly 700 years?

5x expanded by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pisidia longicornis

... that the porcelain crab Pisidia longicornis (pictured) is sometimes found among mussels and oysters in European fish markets?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St. James Episcopal Church (Grosse Ile, Michigan), Lisette Denison Forth

... that former slave Lisette Denison Forth worked as a maid, but willed her life savings to build the St. James Episcopal Church (pictured) in exclusively white Grosse Ile, Michigan?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Jameson (talk) at 11:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The fuller story is that Lisette Denison Forth was born a slave, and a) ran away to Canada, established residency, and returned to Michigan a free woman, b) worked for much (but not all) of the rest of her life as a maid for a succession of important people, c) became good friends with her employers, d) invested her money wisely, and was one of the few African-Americans to own stock and property, e) left the bulk of her estate to establish an Episcopal church; and f) said church was built after her death in upper-class white Grosse Ile. I find each of those points interesting, and the package fascinating, and tried to jam as much as I could into the hook, but alternate versions are welcome. Sorry for the rambling, but these two articles turned out to be more interesting than I thought they would be going in. IMO, obviously. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also note the alt text of the image. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Goodnestone Park

... that Jane Austen began writing her novel, Pride and Prejudice (originally named First Impressions), after staying at Goodnestone Park in Kent with her brother in 1796?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:37, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Abrázame Muy Fuerte (song)

... that the number-one song "Abrázame Muy Fuerte" performed by Juan Gabriel was featured as the theme song of a telenovela of the same title?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 07:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 07:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Little Zab, Great Zab

... that Arab geographers described the Little Zab and the Great Zab (pictured) as "demoniacally possessed"?

Comment: Double nom

Created/expanded by Zoeperkoe (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 25

Bắc Giang, Bắc Kạn, Cao Bang, Ha Giang, Lang Son, Lao Cai, Phu Tho, Quang Ninh, Thai Nguyen, Tuyen Quang and Yen Bai

... that the 11 provinces of Bắc Giang, Bắc Kạn, Cao Bang, Ha Giang, Lang Son, Lao Cai, Phu Tho, Quang Ninh, Thai Nguyen, Tuyen Quang and Yen Bai constitute the region of Đông Bắc (North East Vietnam) (pictured)?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), YellowMonkey (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 18:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

11 article hook nom. Articles are gradually being improved. Reference will be added to support that the provinces all belong to this region. Dr. Blofeld 18:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length verified (some articles moved from userspace). Great, but unfinished job. Please copyedit all 11 (I only quickfixed typos without really reading the articles), wikilink, expand some leads, etc. Lao Cai Province still contains untranslated text; some data are missing in Tuyên Quang Province. Materialscientist (talk) 04:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lombok International Airport

... that a new airport is being built in Indonesia as part of the government's plan to promote Lombok and Sumbawa as the number two tourist destination in the country after Bali?

Created by Felix505 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pig-faced women

... that shaven drunk bears wearing women's clothing were exhibited as pig-faced women (pictured) in the 19th century?

Created by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jurek Wilner

... that Jurek Wilner, a member of ŻOB who took part in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, left his notebook of poems with the Dominican nuns in Wilno, where he hid during the early part of Nazi occupation of Poland?

5x expanded by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 10:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MV Mariam

... that the owners of MV Mariam intend to use it to cross the blockade of the Gaza Strip?

Comment: Currently awaiting closure at AfD.

5x expanded by ME202012 (talk), Mjroots (talk), Drmies (talk), Djembayz (talk and Haus (talk). Nominated by Haus (talk) at 12:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Boyle

... that Ryan Boyle who holds the Ivy League lacrosse career scoring record once set the Maryland high school football single-season pass completion percentage record?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Geothermal power in Indonesia

... that exploration of geothermal power in Indonesia dates back to the Kawah Kamojang test borings (pictured) of 1926?

Created by Elekhh (talk). Self nom at 11:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 ... that exploration of geothermal power in Indonesia has been successful as early as 1926 at Kawah Kamojang (pictured)?

Larache expedition

... that in the 1765 Larache expedition (account pictured) against Larache in Morocco, the French Navy lost hundreds of men, some of whom were taken as slaves?

Created/expanded by Per Honor et Gloria (talk). Nominated by Per Honor et Gloria (talk) at 06:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. Thelmadatter (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Microhyla nepenthicola

... that the newly described Microhyla nepenthicola is the smallest species of frog in the Old World?

Created by Kazvorpal (talk), ErikHaugen (talk), Mgiganteus1 (talk), and Rlendog (talk). Nominated by Rlendog (talk) at 01:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Carnegie (ship), Carnegie Ridge

... that the Carnegie, a brigantine made almost entirely from non-magnetic materials, covered nearly 300,000 miles measuring Earth's magnetic field and discovered the Carnegie Ridge (pictured) in 1929?

Comment: Carnegie Ridge started from a redirect

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Waco Cubs

... that in 1929, a crowd of 11,000 people attended an exhibition game between the Waco Cubs and the New York Yankees at Katy Park, which only held 4,000?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 03:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything checks out, statement is referenced and verified, size good, new article. Cheers. — KV5 • Talk • 11:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hortle's whipray

... that the recently described Hortle's whipray is found only off southern New Guinea and has a bright yellow underside?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seymour Island (Nunavut)

... that the gulls of Seymour Island breed on raised beaches unlike other Canadian Ivory Gull colonies?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 Irwin Tools Night Race

... that by winning the 2010 Irwin Tools Night Race, Kyle Busch became the first driver to win a race in all three major NASCAR divisions in the same weekend?

5x expanded by Nascar1996 (talk). Nominated by NerdyScienceDude (talk) at 23:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Albany City Hall

... that Albany City Hall, in Albany, New York, was the location of the 1754 Albany Congress, where Benjamin Franklin proposed the Albany Plan of Union?

5x expanded by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We need to add "the former" to make the statement true.--Wetman (talk) 01:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about:

... that one of Albany, New York's former city halls (pictured) was the location of the 1754 Albany Congress, where Benjamin Franklin proposed the Albany Plan of Union? upstate NYer 02:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Newfoundland 2 dollar coin

... that with its two-dollar coin (reverse pictured), Newfoundland was the only British colony to issue circulating gold coinage?

ALT1:.. that while originally a gold dollar was planned for Newfoundland's currency, the denomination was changed to two dollars (reverse pictured) over concerns it would be lost due its small size and value?

Created by Zmyrst (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the original hook is accurate. The Australian colonies struck gold coins. Of course, they were mostly British sovereigns, but some said they were Australian.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sovereigns were struck in the Ottawa Mint too, for example, but they were bullion. This coin though was intended for circulation, which I've put explicitly in the hook to avoid the problem with the sovereigns. Zmyrst (talk) 01:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True, though Canada was not a colony at at the time. Close enough I think, quibble removed.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuel Rodríguez

... that Emmanuel Rodríguez's boxing championship at the 2010 Youth Olympic Games was Puerto Rico's first gold medal in an event sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee?

Created by Caribbean H.Q.(talk). Self nom at 22:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Krka Bridge

... that the Krka Bridge comprises the longest span of all Croatian A1 motorway bridges, surpassing the Maslenica Bridge span by only 4 m (13 ft) (pictured)?

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New article. Difficult to verify hook as the references are in Croatian. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 22:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added some new english language references for verification.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia under the Ottoman Empire

... that Ottoman rule of Macedonia lasted for roughly 500 years?

Created by Local hero (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The title, "Ottoman-era Republic of Macedonia", sounds a bit strange to a casual reader. The first impression on seeing it is, "What, was there a Republic of Macedonia in the days of the Ottoman Empire - perhaps something like the Paris Commune or the "Zheltuga Republic"? IMHO, something like "Macedonia under the Ottoman rule" would sound a lot better, unless you want to strictly (and anachronistically) focus the article on the events that took place within the borders of today's (FY)ROM, rather than with the 3 vilayets (Skopje, Bitola [Monastir], and Salonica) that were commonly considered as "Macedonia" back then. -- Vmenkov (talk) 02:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I moved it. --Local hero ^talk 14:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arad–Szeged pipeline

... that the Arad–Szeged pipeline connects Romania and Hungary?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gacka Bridge

... that a condition set for design of Gacka Bridge was that no part of the structure makes contact with the river spanned?

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Walsh

... that the first commander of the Air Force of Zimbabwe, Air Marshal Norman Walsh, resigned after Central Intelligence Organisation agents tortured his senior officers?

5x expanded by Greenshed (talk), ColonelHyde (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St. Ninian's Church, Tynet

... that St. Ninian's Church, Tynet looks like a barn because it had to be hidden from Protestants?

Created by AMuseo (AMuseo). Self nom at 25 August 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 that St. Ninian's Church, Tynet is the oldest post-Reformation Catholic Church in Scotland?

Article is new enough, long enough, both hooks are in cited online sources. I prefer the first hook. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre-Augustin Hulin

... that future General Pierre-Augustin Hulin was one of the first French revolutionaries to enter the Bastille in 1789?

ALT1:... that, during the Napoleonic Wars, French general Pierre-Augustin Hulin was shot in the face while thwarting a coup led by generals opposed to Napoleon's Empire?
ALT2:... that French General Pierre-Augustin Hulin presided over the Napoleonic tribunal that sentenced the royalist Duke d'Enghien to death on dubious charges, including treason?

Created by DCI2026 (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coprinellus impatiens

... that young specimens of the mushroom Coprinellus impatiens have a powdery stem that eventually sloughs off to leave a smooth surface?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 18:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Little Syria, Manhattan

... that until it was razed in the 1940s, New York City's Little Syria, the "heart of New York's Arab world", existed just blocks away from the site of the controversial proposed mosque complex?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1 ... that a Christian Arab immigrant neighborhood called Little Syria once stood near the site of the controversial proposed mosque complex?
ALT 2 ... that a neighborhood of Christian refugees from Muslim lands called Little Syria once stood near the site of the controversial proposed mosque complex?

Very strongly oppose ALT1 and ALT2, or indeed anything that doesn't mention New York. There are dozens if not thousands of controversial proposed mosque complexes worldwide—any proposal to build something that will attract large crowds of people always causes controversy—and there's no earthly reason why any reader outside New York should be expected to guess what you're referring to. (I imagine that most European readers would presume that "controversial proposed mosque complex" refers to Abbey Mills Mosque or the Cologne Mosque project.) – iridescent 16:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Philosophical Hall

... that a loan from one of its members, Benjamin Franklin, allowed the American Philosophical Society to complete its headquarters, Philosophical Hall?

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New article. Hook checks out. Good to go. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hygrophorus eburneus

White mushroom on a stick connected by slime to a finger

... that the slimy mushroom Hygrophorus eburneus (pictured) is commonly known as the "cowboy's handerchief"?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Barry

... that Triple-A fill-in umpire Scott Barry ejected three Major League Baseball All-Stars in one week between August 18 and August 25, 2010?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Nominated by Killervogel5 (talk) at 16:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I actually didn't know the same guy had all these ejections (the Howard one, as the most recent and rather large, is the one that I knew about), interesting. Just meets the prose size criteria. I found myself reading it thinking it was written casually every time I saw "Barry [did blank]" and then I remembered that's his last name and not his first. :p Staxringold _talk^contribs 16:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lactarius sanguifluus

... that the edible mushroom Lactarius sanguifluus (pictured) can bioaccumulate heavy metals from polluted soil, such as near roadsides subject to heavy traffic?

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hook, length, date, pic all check out. Good to go! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 04:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Warren

... that Dale Warren was a conservatory-trained violinist whose work as an arranger for Stax Records and others has been a fruitful source of breakbeats?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 14:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phobjika Valley, Black-necked Cranes in Bhutan, Gangteng Monastery

... that the Phobjika Valley welcomes the Black-necked Cranes as winter visitors, from Tibet to central Bhutan, to roost and in the process the cranes circle the Gangteng Monastery (pictured) thrice on arrival and repeat the process on their return to Tibet?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: It is triple article hook. The first two articles are new and the third one is an expansion.

air bag vest

... that a rider at the Rolex Kentucky Three Day whose horse fell on him said that without an automatically inflated air bag vest he "would be in a box or in America for a month"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques-Barthélemy Micheli du Crest

... that while incarcerated in Aarburg Castle, Jacques-Barthélemy Micheli du Crest (pictured) created a scientific panorama of the Alps using some gutter pipe filled with water?

Comment: The source of the hook fact is in German, but it's quite clear how he did it from images on page 24 of the source

Created by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 13:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a problem with the link to the German article that confirms the hook? I cannot get to it. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 22:53, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's working fine for me, and I'm at work, with a fairly restrictive connection. It's an online scanned in version of the journal. -- WORM MЯOW 07:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a problem... how about

ALT 1 ... that Jacques-Barthélemy Micheli du Crest (pictured) created a temperature scale that used a cellar 84 foot under Paris Observatory as it's base point?-- WORM MЯOW 07:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Bao

... that in June 2010, a Ming-era tomb near Nanjing was identified as that of Hong Bao, one of the admirals of Zheng He's fleet?

5x expanded by Vmenkov (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice hook, but the article needs some Wikification. Addition of dates of birth/death, Ming Dynasty not Ming Empire and the map as it stands is not verifiable "A likely route" is pure speculation.

Philg88 ^contact 15:36, 20 June 2024 UTC [refresh]

Good point on the dates. The thing is, pretty much everything we know about Hong Bao (and about most other personalities and activities of Zheng He fleet) is on about the same level. Someone has talked me into proofreading the Zheng He article on the Russian wiki, so I got myself all the books that took about the personalities involved - Dreyer, Levathes, Tsai - and none of them has the birth of death dates for the guy. The Chinese articles, which reported finding his grave as a big news, did not give his life dates either, which most likely means that they don't know either; normally, they do give this kind of background when ity's available. Accordingly, I've put in floruit dates now.

The "Ming Empire"... I don't mind rewording it, but I believe it's a common way to refer to the nation state ruled by the emperors of the Ming Dynasty. It's used in plenty of books, including e.g. the Cambridge History of China: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=%22ming+empire%22 ; just like we often talk about the "Hapsburg Empire" or "Ottoman Empire", for example.

As to the map, I explain what the sources are. It is a speculation of course, but it is based on the best available modern research (i.e., Edward L. Dreyer's analysis of who must have gone where and in what order, during the best documented [7th] voyage of Zheng He's fleet). Basically, about the solid line Dreyer (and other historians) are pretty sure, because they consider the existing detailed source trustworthy, and it appears in a similar fashion on a map in Dreyer's book. What's shown by dashed and dotted lines is more conjectural. First, the list of places visited is based on believing that the "primary source" (Ma Huan, and whoever provided info that eventually ended up in the History of Ming - Wang Jinghong probably) actually went where they said they went, and did not get the whole story from talking to other travelers in a Calicut tavern. Second, ordering of the destinations required some guesswork on the part of the historians involved, and there are different interpretations; but what I've drawn is based on what Dreyer thought was most likely. As you see, I am quite sparing on lines - lots of places are just shown as circles, because the historians believe they were visited by some squadrons, but don't try to set forth a complete itinerary. One can see that there are plenty of "Zheng He travel" maps around ( http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22zheng+he%22+map ), and they all are somewhat different, but it's the same with Marco Polo or almost any other medieval traveller, or really with most other historical maps that go several centuries into the past. -- Vmenkov (talk) 15:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My point on the Ming is that in Chinese terms it was a dynasty （明代 Ming Dai) and that is the way it is generally referred to across WP in English. As for the map, maybe change "likely" to "possible" or "suggested"?

Best, Philg88 ^contact 15:36, 20 June 2024 UTC [refresh]

Sure, "possible route" sounds good. Changed the caption as suggested. As to "Ming Dynasty" vs. "Ming Empire" - for me, "Ming Dynasty" as an equivalent to 明代 (Ming Dai) or 明朝 ("Ming Chao"), i.e. the dynasty of rulers or the historical period, while "Ming Empire" is an equivalent for something like 明帝国 (Ming Diguo) or 大明国 (Da Ming Guo), i.e. the name of the state itself. But since Edward L. Dreyer himself in his book does not actually use the expression "Ming Empire" (he has "Ming China" for the country, or "during the early decades of the Ming Dynasty", "the early Ming period", etc., I have changed the wording to avoid the expression that you find inopportune in the context. -- Vmenkov (talk) 13:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcoscypha dudleyi, William Russell Dudley

... that Sarcoscypha dudleyi (pictured) was named after the botanist William Russell Dudley?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Five Punishments

... that the Five Punishments of Traditional Chinese law following the Sui Dynasty (581-618 CE), including the death penalty, could all be remitted through payment of a set amount to the state?

Created by Philg88 (talk). Self nom at 14:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

most of the article is written in list form and lacks inline citations.Thelmadatter (talk) 21:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually 16 inline citations which I would have thought was enough for an article of this size. As for the list format, this is a Chinese legal code and the original is laid out that way - I don't know how else the information can be presented without it looking a mess.

Philg88 ^contact 20 June 2024

Cortinarius anomalus, Cortinarius cinnamomeus, Cortinarius delibutus, Cortinarius hemitrichus, Cortinarius infractus, Cortinarius purpurascens, Cortinarius traganus, Cortinarius varius

... that webcaps can be yellow (pictured), variable, cinnamon, frosty, bitter, bruising, gassy, or contrary?

Comment: The hook may be easily verified in one swoop by opening the PDF document "Recommended English Names for Fungi in the UK" (cited in all) and confirming that the common names used here are valid.

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 04:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, hold up on reviewing for a couple of days and I will be able to able another article or two to this hook. Thanks. Sasata (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Kean

... that as chief writer of The Howdy Doody Show, Edward Kean conceived of Howdy Doody's 1948 run for U.S. President and coined the word "cowabunga" as a greeting for the character Chief Thunderthud?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bear in mind that Howdy Doody means absolutely nothing to a majority of en.wiki users. The cowabunga thing does have a global resonance, although it's a bit more complicated than the NYT reference makes out. Thunderthud actually said "kawabonga", and it was modified by surfers in the 1950s/60s to "cowabunga". However the lineage is clear, and in the NYT reference Kean claims credit directly for "cowabunga" so for the purposes of a 200-character hook, I think we can say he was the inventor of cowabunga. I can't quite believe that I've just spent time sorting out the etymology of cowabunga on Wikitionary, but such is life - its old en.wiki page used to get 3000+ hits a month, so it's worth nailing down. How about the following, or variants thereof :
ALT1... that Edward Kean coined the word "cowabunga" for a TV show about a US Presidential candidate?
ALT2... that Edward Kean coined the word "cowabunga" and tried to put a puppet President in the White House? Le Deluge (talk) 09:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3... that Edward Kean coined the word "cowabunga" during the mock presidential campaign of puppet, Howdy Doody? I disagree that Howdy Doody should be taken out of the hook, as he has a lot of meaning to the people who do recognize him and is a major reason for continuing to read the article.--Ishtar456 (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Humphrey Atherton

... that Major-General Humphrey Atherton, in his position of assistant governor of colonial Massachusetts, was instrumental in bringing about the execution of Ann Hibbins for witchcraft in 1657 (pictured)?

ALT1:... that early Dorchester, Massachusetts settler Major-General Humphrey Atherton established the first militia in the colony and held the highest military rank in colonial New England?
ALT2:... that early Dorchester, Massachusetts settler Major-General Humphrey Atherton persecuted Quakers and those accused of witchcraft (pictured) and made illegal claims to Native American lands?
ALT3:... that Major-General Humphrey Atherton's accidental death was seen by the Quakers as a punishment from God for his persecution of them?

Created/expanded by Ishtar456 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC) NOTE: this article was on a user page until 8/25/2010. so I interpret that to be the start date.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 verified, AGF on the references. Nice article, the first bio I have seen with the person's tomb as the main picture, interesting. --NortyNort (Holla) 09:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I've seen a couple for example John Howland.--Ishtar456 (talk) 12:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, well I guess above ground tomb. I have seen a few tombstones. I don't think it's bad and fits the article.--NortyNort (Holla) 15:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Stouch

... that Tom Stouch is credited with "discovering" baseball player Shoeless Joe Jackson?

Created by Secret (talk). Nominated by Secret (talk) at 01:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date
length
citation of hook, what page is that on?

Sorry, forgot to sign,--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added baseball player. Le Deluge (talk) 09:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Page 12 Secret ^account 14:14, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I still cannot find the page that says "He is best known for "discovering" Shoeless Joe Jackson who played against him while Jackson was in a mill team in Greer, South Carolina in 1907.[1]" I cannot verify that the hook is cited without seeing it, and I have searched the book, and I cannot find it. I do not see it on page 12.--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page 15, my mistake Secret ^account 00:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All I see on page 15 is that Stouch was impressed with his hitting (I'd like to see those blue streaks myself) and never forgot his name. I see nothing about Stouch discovering him.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Then it says on page 16 that Stouch became manager of the Greenville Spinners keep reading it, he signed Joe Jackson from the mills in baseball termonolgy its discovering a player. Doesn't exactly use "discover" though other books (mostly juvenile fiction) and the Sporting News uses that word. Secret ^account 00:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length, citation... that minor league baseball manager,Tom Stouch signed baseball player Shoeless Joe Jackson to the Greenville Spinners, starting Jackson's profesional career?

I changed the wording a bit to make it fit.--Ishtar456 (talk) 23:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better? Secret ^account 00:57, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

my last edit timed out and I lost it but I said something like: I'm not trying to find the word "discovered", but at least something close to it. Page 16 comes closer, but since the source says everyone knew Joe and what he was capable of, I can't say that it says he "discovered" him. But he did give him a higher paying gig and that was important so I suggested something like: "... that minor league baseball manager Tom Stouch gave baseball player Shoeless Joe Jackson a position that advanced his career?" and use page 16 for the citation.--Ishtar456 (talk) 01:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about the hook above, he started his professional career with Stouch. His career consisted of mill teams and such which isn't professional baseball. Thanks Secret ^account 02:15, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From reading the source, I got the impression that Joe was already getting paid for playing baseball before he was hired by Stouch. That would mean he was already a professional bb player. Am I wrong in that understanding? The way your suggested alternative is written I find that first pronoun "his" ambiguous. There are two men being spoken about-I'm confused and by "his team" -did he own it?, -did he manage it? This is my last ditch suggestion:

... that minor league baseball manager Tom Stouch advanced the career of player, Shoeless Joe Jackson by signing him to the Greenville Spinners? (page 16)--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes he was getting paid but it's a different story for being professonal and semi-professional. Whatever I'll accept your suggestion. Secret ^account 03:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

add the citation (page 16) to that fact ("by signing him to the Greenville Spinners" )in the article and you will be good to go. Or refer to a "mill team" as semi-pro, and make the distinction between the two teams a little clearer in the article, and add the citation, and you can use the Alt you suggested.--Ishtar456 (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added the citation for the alt. Secret ^account 21:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan of Laron

... that Jordan of Laron was once excommunicated with the entire regions of Limousin and Aquitaine?

Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 22:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 24

Battle of Kalavrye

... that in the Battle of Kalavrye, the Alexios Komnenos rallied his scattered army, counterattacked, and drew the numerically superior enemy army into a successful ambush?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Southland Corp. v. Keating

... that in Southland Corp. v. Keating, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the Federal Arbitration Act covers contracts executed under state law?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 15:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

George Oliver Plunkett

... that on Easter Monday, 1916, George Plunkett waved down a tram in Dublin with his revolver and paid for 52 tickets to get his heavily-armed Irish Volunteers to take part in the Easter Rising?

Created by Philipjelley (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 13:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1868 Ecuador earthquakes

... that on 26 April each year, the 'El Retorno' festival is held in Ibarra to celebrate the return of the inhabitants in 1872, four years after the Ecuadorian town's destruction in an earthquake?

Created by Mikenorton (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

King of the Ring (2000)

... that two men, Gerald Brisco and Pat Patterson, wrestled in evening gowns at the WWF's 2000 King of the Ring event?

5x expanded by Richard "Wrestler" Lopez (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 15:37, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the hook? --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, should be fixed now. GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:39, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Tambs Lyche

... that unitarian minister Hans Tambs Lyche was the founder and first editor of the periodical Kringsjaa?

5x expanded by Hauganm (talk), Oceanh (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 23:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

James Mourilyan Tanner

... that the Tanner scale, developed by Dr. James Mourilyan Tanner, measures sexual maturation in adolescents based on size of the genitals and the quantity of pubic hair?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HD 10180

... that astronomers have detected evidence of as many as seven planets orbiting the star HD 10180, making it the most populated exoplanetary system known to date?

Created by WolfmanSF (talk), Icalanise (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"most populated"? What astronomical evidence are we talking about? Detection of the number of planets or the quantity of "life sign"? I suspect you mean "the exoplanetary system with the most planets known to date", instead. --PFHLai (talk) 12:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Cushman Jones

... that Peter Cushman Jones, who founded the Bank of Hawaii, arrived in Honolulu with only 16 cents?

Created by W Nowicki (talk). Nominated by W Nowicki (talk) at 23:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Cool hook. --NortyNort (Holla) 08:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kloster Berge school

... that a round tower was built to house the Kloster Berge school after a schoolmaster hanged himself in the cloister previously used for classes?

5x expanded by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article is at AfD but has been completely rewritten and moved; it was Klosterbergen.Yngvadottir (talk) 19:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Egbert

... that former Lieutenant Governor of Alberta William Egbert, was described as "one of the most popular lieutenant governors this province has ever had"?

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Nominated by Connormah (talk) at 17:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length, citation (offline, taken in faith, checked out.--Ishtar456 (talk) 20:42, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

KRMS

... that radio station KRMS in Osage Beach, Missouri, was once partly owned by then-U.S. Senator John Danforth?

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk), Neutralhomer (talk). Nominated by Dravecky (talk) at 08:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I'm aware that the article currently at AfD but it's snowing over there and I expect resolution shortly. My access to the internet will be spotty over the next couple of days and I didn't to let the nomination window close before this was resolved. - Dravecky (talk) 08:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article was kept fairly handily so it's cleared for DYK purposes. - Dravecky (talk) 05:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Azerbaijan National Carpet Museum

The Azerbaijan National Carpet Museum in Baku

... that the Azerbaijan National Carpet Museum (pictured) has the largest collection of Azerbaijani carpets in the world?

ALT1:... that the Azerbaijan National Carpet Museum (pictured) was first established in a mosque?

Created by Lava22T (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The war to end war

... that the term "The war to end war" was first used to describe World War I?

ALT1:... that in later years, the term "The war to end war" became associated with Woodrow Wilson, even though he only used it once?

Created by Scolaire (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 21:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm flattered, but puzzled. Why pipe it to "The war to end all wars" when the term verifiably was "The war to end war"? Scolaire (talk) 19:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because I thought people were more familiar with "The war to end all wars" than "the war to end war". Anyway, I changed it back since you seem to prefer "the war to end war". Hope you like it. Secret Saturdays (talk to me)^{what's new?} 22:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. What if we lose the "later years" and the "became" and just have the following? Scolaire (talk) 22:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2:... that although the phrase "The war to end war", to describe World War I, is often associated with Woodrow Wilson, he himself only used it once?

Newton Hills State Park

... that an annual pumpkin chunking competition is held in the autumn at Newton Hills State Park in South Dakota?

Created by Dincher (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1 that the forests of Newton Hills State Park were used as a hideout by Frank and Jesse James after their failed bank robbery in Northfield, Minnesota? Dincher (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prefer the original hook just because I've never heard of pumpkin chunking but I have heard of Jesse James - but "in the autumn" could be deleted on WP:ENGVAR grounds? Anything to do with pumpkins tends to happen then anyway. Plus it would be better to lead off with the subject of the hook, thus :
ALT2... that Newton Hills State Park in South Dakota holds an annual pumpkin chunking competition? Le Deluge (talk) 09:58, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I like ALT2. I prefer a hook about Pumpkin Chunking which sounds like a good bit of fun. Dincher (talk) 22:27, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Twyne

... that Brian Twyne wrote the first published history of the University of Oxford in 1608?

Created by Bencherlite (talk). Self nom at 23:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified, offline reference AGF. --NortyNort (Holla) 11:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And it's now been assessed as a good article. Shame there's no image, really... Bencherlite ^Talk 20:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scarecrow (wine)

... that California cult wine producer Scarecrow is named for its founder's connection to The Wizard of Oz?

Created by Murgh (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aqueduct of the Gier

... that the Aqueduct of the Gier (pictured) was one of four Roman aqueducts supplying Lugdunum (Lyon, France)?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date, length ok. Pic ok. Hook checked in google books. -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 04:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lynching of Laura and Lawrence Nelson

[ALT 1]... that Laura Nelson and her son, Lawrence (Laura Nelson pictured) were two of 4,743 people lynched in the United States between 1882 and 1968?

[ALT 2]... that the father of Oklahoman folk singer Woody Guthrie attended the lynching of Laura Nelson and her son Lawrence (Laura Nelson pictured) in May 1911?

Created by SlimVirgin (talk). Nominated by SlimVirgin (talk) at 20:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am a newbie in this topic, thus forgive my naive questions/comment: (i) Laura Nelson pictured strikes me odd next to this photo. (ii) The article says "4,743 people lynched in the United States between 1882 and 1968" thus why those two individuals were selected to its name and focus? Shouldn't the article cover a wider scope? (don't know if such article already exists on WP, e.g. Lynching in the United States)? In other words, I have doubts this event is notable for an individual article. Materialscientist (talk) 23:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've considerably expanded the article further since SV nominated it. It certainly is notable - apart from being the subject of considerable coverage in multiple sources and a significant controversy at the time, it also prompted a number of protest songs from the singer Woody Guthrie, whose father Charley participated in the lynching. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MS, the article is about the lynching of Laura and Lawrence Nelson, so I'm not sure what you mean about expanding the topic. That is the article subject (a new article), and one of the facts from the article has been proposed for DYK, because the fact itself is generically interesting. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 17:32, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case the concern is over the hook, I've suggested an alternative hook which highlights a unique aspect of the case that ties in with a widely known figure in American culture. From my own experience, I've found that DYKs with hooks that present an unexpected fact tend to be quite effective. -- ChrisO (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We don't know that he was involved though. He may just have been one of the onlookers the next day. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 22:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source says "attended" so I changed it to that. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 22:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota Mr. Basketball

... that Kevin Noreen, current Minnesota Mr. Basketball, is the highest scoring basketball player in Minnesota high school history?

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Nominated by Editorofthewiki (talk) at 20:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is the move to mainspace date. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 20:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Raskovnik

... that in Bulgarian mythology, the razkovniche is a magical herb that can open all locks and transmute iron into gold, but it can only be identified by a tortoise?

5x expanded by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 20:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Offline and Serbian/Bulgarian references accepted on good faith. - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prudent Joye

... that Prudent Joye, the 1938 European Champion in the 400 m hurdles, escaped from a Nazi internment camp and joined the French Resistance?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified, the one French reference AGF. --NortyNort (Holla) 08:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

15 Penn Plaza

... that owners of the Empire State Building (pictured) oppose construction of 15 Penn Plaza, a 1,216 feet (371 m) skyscraper planned to be 900 feet (270 m) away from what is now New York City's tallest building?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Papal judge-delegate

... that a number of medieval English bishops served as papal judges-delegate over sixty times apiece?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date ok, but there has to be a ref directly behind the sentence in which the DYK fact appears. Further, I think that 'apiece' is usually not used in combination with persons; how about

ALT1 ... that a number of medieval English bishops each served over 60 times as papal judges-delegate?

I've added the ref (for future reference, often when several sentences are all sourced to the same footnote, the footnote is only given on the last bit, and is intended to cover the entire block of information previous to it.) I honestly don't care about tweaking the wording, whatever seems best. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know how refs work, but the DYK rules are very clear about this; I can't help that. Anyway, ALT1 is good to go now! -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 13:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. 4 Commando

... that in November 1944, No. 4 Commando captured 1,200 German prisoners during the Battle of the Scheldt?

This is a x5 expansion and self nom by --Jim Sweeney (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date and length verified. Offline ref for hook accepted in good faith. AustralianRupert (talk) 09:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St John the Baptist's Church, Stanwick

... that the redundant Church of St John the Baptist, Stanwick, North Yorkshire, (pictured) stands within the earthworks of a settlement originating in the early Iron Age?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 13:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Nice interesting article.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cerithidea decollata

... that Cerithidea decollata is a sea snail that can foresee the future?

Comment: This hook is slightly tongue-in-cheek (see the article), feel free to suggest another if you consider it too misleading. — Yerpo ^Eh? 08:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Yerpo (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, that kind of thing is good - I've tweaked the English though, and it's best to have the target as the first link in the hook. Le Deluge (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Very cool, it is like how we foresee moon phases.--NortyNort (Holla) 08:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Worth keeping for April Fools' Day 2011? Bencherlite ^Talk 20:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer to see it on the main page sooner, if that's ok with everybody. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guo Lusheng

... that the influential modernist poet of 1960s China Guo Lusheng now lives in a mental institution in Beijing?

Created by Mukerjee (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting. Everything is good except the poetry section is unreferenced and #3 has a bare URL.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Copyedited, expanded, and wikified the article. +2 references (book + encyclopedia). mukerjee (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Nice article. --NortyNort (Holla) 21:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mickell Gladness

... that Mickell Gladness once recorded 16 blocks which set the NCAA Division I men's basketball single game record?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1956 Maryland Terrapins football team

... that the 1956 Maryland Terrapins lost players to the military draft and jaundice, and The Baltimore Sun called the head coach and quarterback "the biggest fall guys in college football"?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 03:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 23

HMS Salisbury (1746)

... that a clinical trial on the treatment of scurvy was conducted in as early as 1747 aboard the 50-gun warship HMS Salisbury?

Created by Grahamsands (talk), Benea (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 05:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Striebel

... that Matt Striebel ranks eighth on the Princeton Lacrosse career assists list and eleventh on the Princeton soccer career assists list.

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 02:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Van Pelt

... that former Michigan quarterback Jim Van Pelt set Canadian Football League records with a 107-yard touchdown pass and seven touchdown passes in one game?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aorta (band), Illinois Speed Press

... that the debut albums by rock bands Illinois Speed Press and Aorta, together with those by Chicago Transit Authority and The Flock, were released simultaneously in 1969 and were marketed as "the Chicago Sound"?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 10:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note- Aorta (band) started on 23 August, Illinois Speed Press on 27 August. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexia Sedykh

... that the 2010 Youth Olympic Games champion in the girls' hammer throw, Alexia Sedykh, is the daughter of two current world record holders in athletics?

Created by User:Strange Passerby (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Her parents are real legends in athletics .. but the article is too short, 1350 characters of prose, needs at least 1500 (better more). I'm sure there is much to write about it, just need reliable references. Good luck. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Noted, will try to expand. Strange Passerby (talk) 01:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, should be over 1500 characters now, added a bit more info from another reference. I think it's around 1750. Strange Passerby (talk) 02:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1 ... that although her parents are world record holders in athletics for the Soviet Union, the 2010 Youth Olympic Games champion in the girls' hammer throw, Alexia Sedykh, wears the colours of France?

DHHC domain

... that mutations in the DHHC domain of the human enzyme, ZDHHC9, can cause sex-linked mental retardation?

Created by Alexbateman (talk). Nominated by Rockpocket (talk) at 17:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of longest streams of Oregon

... that more than 50 rivers and creeks on the list of longest streams of Oregon are at least 40 miles (64 km) long (Rogue River pictured)?

Created by Finetooth (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Van Orman

... that Ray Van Orman was expelled from Cornell University for "cribbing", but later returned to complete his veterinary doctorate and to coach the lacrosse and football teams?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 03:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep state misperception

... that those who experience sleep state misperception may believe that they have not slept for extended periods of time, when they in fact do sleep but without perceiving so?
ALT 1... that a person with sleep state misperception may believe they slept for only 4 hours while, paradoxically, sleeping a full 8 hours?

Comment: I am also the creator of the stub before expansion and am currently the sole-writer of the article. Alt1 is from insomnia.

5x expanded by Codehydro (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5x Expansion. Hook confirmed. Interesting. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 23:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer ALT 1. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 23:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree, alt 1 is more brief and to the point. Thanks for checking it :) —CodeHydro 13:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Vinson

... that the American Memphis blues guitarist, singer and songwriter Walter Vinson co-wrote the blues standard, "Sitting on Top of the World"?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 23:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

AGF verified. Gatoclass (talk) 02:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minor comment: Looks overlinked. Guitarist, singer, and songwriter do not need to be blue. Furthermore, is the comma after "songwriter" correct? --Pgallert (talk) 09:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unblued it - a technical term, of course. OK to go? Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that's fine. Gatoclass (talk) 05:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Boadt

... that Roman Catholic priest Lawrence Boadt suggested that Christians "could gain some feeling for the Old Testament by attending a Friday night Sabbath service at a local temple or synagogue"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is not cited in article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was fine until I added material to the paragraph that was all sourced to the same reference. The sentence in question has been edited to add the required source that I inadvertently omitted. Alansohn (talk) 22:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 01:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Parke Lane Road-Thorofare Canal Bridge

... that the Parke Lane Road Bridge (pictured) is a rare cantilevered concrete arch, with two independent half-arches supporting a center slab rather than the full arch of the traditional arch bridge?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Jameson (talk) at 20:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. But don't you have an image you could add? Gatoclass (talk) 02:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I added an image for your consideration. Unfortunately, although I think it illustrates the bridge well, it doesn't illustrate the arch construction referred to in the hook. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, well there was a nice image of the arch in the article before, presumably it was deleted because of copyright problems. I agree that the image you have provided is unfortunately neither illustrative nor interesting. Gatoclass (talk) 12:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Woodlawn, Schenectady, New York

... that Schenectady, New York's Woodlawn neighboorhood makes up 22.5% of the city's land area, but generates only 17.9% of the city’s property tax revenue?

Created by Camelbinky (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irina Antonenko

... ~~that Miss Russia 2010 Irina Antonenko (pictured), believes her best qualities are persistence, sincerity and friendliness?~~

5x expanded by Offliner (talk). Nominated by Offliner (talk) at 18:16, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, not exactly rivetting information. I think you should be able to do better than that. Gatoclass (talk) 02:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about ~~"did you know that after finishing high school, Miss Russia 2010 Irina Antonenko began to study finance at the Ural Finance and Jurisprudence Institute?"~~ This is more interesting IMO.Camelbinky (talk) 02:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The second suggestion sounds much better, IMO. Pretty much every beauty pageant contestant claims the abovementioned qualities of character. — Yerpo ^Eh? 08:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"began to study finance at the Ural Finance and Jurisprudence Institute?" is fine for me. But I think the original hook was interesting too, since it tells a lot about her personality. Offliner (talk) 10:04, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think either hook is acceptable. The first one is nothing but the usual boilerplate response to a predictable question, the second - beauty queen gets an education - is not in the least unusual. I haven't looked at the article yet but I'd like to see something a bit more interesting than either of these. Gatoclass (talk) 13:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Then how about ~~"did you know that her crownation as Miss Russia 2010, Irina Antonenko started modelling for the world famous designer Philipp Plein?~~ Offliner (talk) 13:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you beat me to it :) Yes, I said below that such a hook would be acceptable - either that or one about the charity angle. What's this "crownation" though? Is this a word that's used in Miss World contests? Because it doesn't look like a real word to me. Gatoclass (talk) 13:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the word "crownation" (I'm not a native English speaker). But perhaps the problem can be avoided with "... that after being crowned as Miss Russia 2010, Irina Antonenko started modelling for the world famous designer Philipp Plein?" Offliner (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I think the word you are looking for is "coronation". Gatoclass (talk) 13:35, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Then we can use "... that after her coronation as Miss Russia 2010, Irina Antonenko started modelling for the world famous designer Philipp Plein?" Btw, do I need to do something else for this to get accepted or is it OK now? I'm not sure how this works. Offliner (talk) 13:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I had a look at the article and I can see at least two decent hooks there - one, that she plans to give most of her $100,000 prizemoney to charity, and two, that she has since modelled for a leading fashion house. A hook about either fact would be acceptable. Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT... that Miss Russia 2010 Irina Antonenko (pictured) doesn't have a boyfriend? <g> Le Deluge (talk) 13:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

much better :) --Pgallert (talk) 16:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified ALT. Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 12:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Mills (company)

... that the name Sam Mills was used by both a former American football linebacker and a Romanian company?

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The topics are completely unrelated and it is no suprise someone should share such a common name, so at the very least you should come up with an alt hook. Another problem is that the article is almost entirely devoid of independent sources, I would like to see a couple more in there. Gatoclass (talk) 02:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1... that the Sam Mills company produces around 2,400 tonnes of dried pasta monthly in around 30 shapes and sizes?

Still not very interesting. I would say the only interesting or notable thing about this company would be the fact that it supplies 40% of the Romanian corn pasta market, so would go with that as a hook. Gatoclass (talk) 12:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 2... that the Sam Mills company supplies 40% of the Romanian corn pasta market?

2010 Manila hostage crisis

... that the hostage-taker in the 2010 Manila hostage crisis was named as one of the Ten Outstanding Policemen of the Philippines in 1986?

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Nominated by Howard the Duck (talk) at 17:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this "might" make it to WP:ITN: if it does, perhaps it can be added once it falls off the ITN list? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 18:05, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Carrier Strike Group Ten

... that Carrier Strike Group Ten can trace its organizational lineage to Destroyer Flotilla Two created during World War I by the U.S. Navy?

Created by Marcd30319 (talk). Nominated by Marcd30319 (talk) at 14:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toilet water

~~... that Napoleon set in place in the early nineteenth century the observance that men's toilet water had to be only a citrus or "woody" scent, which wasn't changed until the 1960s?~~

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note to approving editor: I have NOT withdrawn the submission, but just withdrew the original hook and substituted ALT1 in its place.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:40, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 ... that King of France Louis XIV (1638-1715) used a concoction of scents called "heavenly water" to perfume his shirts with toilet water.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As of now, the article has under 1,100 characters of prose, short of the required 1,500. The prose in the bulleted comparison is not counted as prose. You can consider putting that text into paragraph form or adding additional material to meet the minimum. Alansohn (talk) 20:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changed bulleted comparison and made as prose of one paragraph. Should be over 1,500 now. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toilet water = eau de toilette = perfume. I'm not sure that toilet water is suitably distinct from perfume to merit it's own article. The sourcing is not particularly strong either. Smartse (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concern of image = changed to image of patent for a bottle for holding toilet water. Changed again to a picture I took.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 10:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the extensive research I have done on this topic, I have found many sources that definitely destinguish between the 3 main alcohol based perfumes. This is described under the section "Types of alcohol based perfumes" in the article. While toilet water = eau de toilette, it is not pure perfume. Perfume has a mixture of about 10-20% perfume oils, where Toilet water only has 2 to 6 percent of some type of perfume oil - definitely weaker. Also it is usually applied ONLY directly to the skin, where perfume would go on clothing and sometimes skin. Toilet waters cost much less than perfume. There are distinct definitions for "toilet water" (i.e. 'eau de toilette' from online dictionary where perfume is perfume definition)). Of the three styles of these perfume types, perfume and eau de Cologne, had an article already and Toilet water (eau de toilette) didn't have until I recently wrote up an article on it. Traditionally eau de Cologne is citrus scent based and is a man's fragrance. Toilet water does NOT have these specifications as a tradition. Also others talk of the difference between the three as is used in Reference #8. I have an inline Reference on every line, however IF you need additional References I can get them. Presently there are 19 inline References and 7 book sources. IF an inline Reference or book source is not satisfactory, I can replace it. Which ones are not satisfactory? Does this answer your concerns IF Toilet water deserves an article?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The American druggist and pharmaceutical record, Volume 63 makes a definite distinction between perfume and "toilet water" here and The Scientific American cyclopedia of formulas shows a difference between perfume and toilet water here.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reference #5 in the lede gives reference as defined for scientists in a perfumery lab between "Colognes, Perfumes, Scents, & Toilet Waters" in Glenn Poch's Bottle Collecting Newsletter 15 in their section Distinguishing Colognes, Perfumes, Scents, & Toilet Waters. It follows very close to the other source References given. Toilet water and perfume are not the same thing as that article explains.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not entirely sure if the two terms are synonyms, but your two links are totally consistent with them being synonyms. What is more, Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia (not a dictionary) covers closely related topics together in a single article. If there is a serious demarcation problem between toilet water and perfume, treating both in a single article might well be the best approach. Hans Adler 19:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that perfume and eau de Cologne are two different articles. Toilet water is the third in this group, that while has a pleasing smell, is definitely different - like eau de Cologne is from perfume. In Nigel Groom's book The new perfume handbook he describes "Toilet Water" on page 329. He talks of Hungary Water and Florida Water being examples of Toilet Water, just like I described in my article. There are many differences between perfume and Toilet Water and it warrents an article to explain this. Looking at "Category:Incense" there are some 49 pages - not all in one article, but 49 distinct articles describing each one, even though they are similiar. Agarwood is different than Sandalwood, although similiar have definite different characteristics. Both are fragrant woods, but both have different articles. Not all flowers are grouped into one article, since each flower is distinctly different even though they smell perfumery.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like there are over 200 articles related to flowers. Within that there are Azalea and Rhododendron - basically the same genus, however two different articles. In the Rhododendron article are listed over a dozen different types of Rhododendrons, all different articles - although basically the same flower types. There are definite differences and therefore different articles.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addiction to ether consumption

... that diethyl ether used to be consumed recreationally not only by drinking or inhalation, but also by pouring it into one's ear?

Created by Ouro (talk). Self nom at 12:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Content looks legit but has no inline cites. Also needs to be internationalized per the tag, which should be easy enough to do. Gatoclass (talk) 02:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Else

... that retired footballer Fred Else arranged to have his wedding on a Saturday morning so that he was free to play for Preston North End reserves in the afternoon?

Created by User:Pretty Green (talk). Nominated by User:Pretty Green (talk) at 12:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now that's what I call a quirky hook but you have a couple of unsourced sentences that need to be fixed before this one can be promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers -do you mind pointing out where (use {{cn}} if you want)? I'd say that the remaining unsourced statements are common knowledge or easily verifiable? --Pretty Green (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He made his debut for Preston against Manchester City in 1954, but was restricted to 14 appearances over his first three seasons. He eventually became first choice, however, and played 238 times for North End. This is common knowledge? I hardly think so. Likewise He retired from football after Barrow's relegation in 1970. His final season included a brief stint as caretaker manager at Barrow, during which time the club failed to win any of their five matches. I think these statements need to be sourced. I suppose you could argue that the most successful season might be "common knowledge", but I would probably source that as a courtesy in any case. Gatoclass (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers - I'd not noticed the management bit. The first sentences are actually covered if reference three, so I've simply replicated that. I'll cover the management bit too. Pretty Green (talk) 13:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Certified quirky. Gatoclass (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Australian federal election, 2010

... that the 2010 Australian federal elections has resulted in a hung parliament, the first since 1940?

5x expanded by WWGB (talk). Nominated by Fridae'sDoom (talk) at 07:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is on the main page already, in ITN. NW (Talk) 10:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tale of Mr. Tod

... that Peter Rabbit author Beatrix Potter irked her publisher when she began The Tale of Mr. Tod with "I am quite tired of making goody goody books about nice people"?

5x expanded by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 23:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date of expansion verified, offline citation taken in good faith. Length verified. photograph author information required. I love the topic.--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Author info entered. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 04:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source link to the photo is dead. I found it here http://ofcabbageskings.blogspot.com/. It says it was taken by a "young visitor" in 1913. For public domain it must be the authors life plus 70 years. Another opinion will be needed for this as I have bad luck with photos on Wikipedia.--Ishtar456 (talk) 04:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The image can be dropped or another chosen. I chose this one because it was close to the date of Mr. Tod and apparently free. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is frustrating and disapointing when you can't use the "perfect picture", but I would use a different one if I were you.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, no pic for now until I find something else. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 01:14, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern mole

... that the eastern mole (right) is the most widely distributed mole in North America and is the subject of the African American pourquoi tale "Why Moles Have Hands"?

5x expanded by Susanne2009NYC (talk). Nominated by Susanne2009NYC (talk) at 23:52, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything checks out, hook citation, date, length, photo, prose and I am crazy about the hook.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer this hook. It brings the natural world and human culture together. The article has been expanded 9.2x and the image text abridged. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 16:51, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 22

Unhyeongung

... that Unhyeongung (Unhyeon Palace), known as Unhyeongung Royal Residence, is the site of the Royal Wedding Ceremony, a reenactment that takes place in the spring and fall every year in Seoul South Korea, of King Gojong and Empress Myeongseong’s (Queen Min) Royal Wedding Ceremony that took place on the grounds of Unhyeon Palace on March 21, 1866?

5x expanded by Steve46814 (talk). Nominated by Steve46814 (talk) at 20:29, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pls trim the hook to 200 or fewer characters long. It's 346 characters long now. --PFHLai (talk) 04:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1... that Unhyeongung (Unhyeon Palace) in Seoul South Korea is the site of the twice yearly reenactment of King Gojong and Queen Min's Royal Wedding Ceremony that took place here in 1866?

Dominion Wrestling Union

... that, in the early years of the Dominion Wrestling Union, many National Wrestling Association wrestlers came from Canada and the Untied States to face off against New Zealand wrestlers?

Created by 72.74.210.73 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 03:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, lenghth verified, not able to find citation taken in good faith.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clandestine church

... that Catholics in the Dutch Republic were allowed to build Clandestine churchs as long as they were not visible to Protestants?

5x expand by AMuseo (AMuseo). self nom Aug. 26 2010 (UTC)

Wine humour

... that Cat's Pee on a Gooseberry Bush and Goats Do Roam are examples of wine humour?

Created by Colonel Warden (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St. Martin's Church, Biberach

... that St. Martin's Church, Biberach has been shared by Catholics and Protestants since 1648?

Created by AMuseo (AMuseo). Self nom at 24 August 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1that a riot ensued when a Catholic rang the bell of St. Martin's Church, Biberach during a Protestant wedding?

ALT 2 that Catholics are officially allowed to use all parts of St. Martin's Church, Biberach, but Protestants can only officially enter the choir during Holy Communion?

ALT 3 that the artist painted his own self-portrait in the ceiling fresco of St. Martin's Church, Biberach?

Jeff Nicklin

... that Winnipeg Blue Bombers star Jeff Nicklin was one of the first Canadians to jump into Normandy on D-Day and into Germany?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Nominated by Strikehold (talk) at 04:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: There is also an image in this article that may be open to use. Its copyright is expired in Canada, but I don't know about the U.S. It is claimed under fair use in the article just in case. Strikehold (talk) 04:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length are fine. the source says he jumped at D-day, but does not say he was among the first, and Normandy (although implied) is not mentioned in either the article or the source. It does say he was among the first to jump into Germany.--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I believe current reference #1 verifies all the information above, but it was not used to cite that particular sentence in the article (I've moved an additional citation it to that part now). In the second paragraph: "This was his second operational jump into enemy territory. His first was into Normandy that June night before our invasion landings." And under the "Rose 'Hard Way'" subsection, second paragraph: "One of the first Canadian paratroopers to land on French soil on D-Day..." Also, the article (per c.r. #1 and #5) say he landed in Varaville, which is a town in Normandy. Strikehold (talk) 03:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Latshaw

... that Bob Latshaw managed minor league baseball for eight seasons, though he only managed three seasons completely?

Created by Alexsautographs (talk). Nominated by Alexsautographs (talk) at 00:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date
just over 1500 characters seems too short to me.
the hook is not in the citation, but it can be inferred from the information there. Not sure if that is sufficient.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amtrak Railroad Anacostia Bridge

... that the Pennyslvania Railroad Anacostia Bridge collapsed on August 24, 1933, in the wake of a hurricane, causing the Crescent Limited train to plunge into the river below?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 23:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

date, length verified. I could not find source of citation on line, but is is accepted on faith. Picture checks out--Ishtar456 (talk) 03:15, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Giacosa

... that the winemaker of the eponymous Piemonte wine producer Bruno Giacosa is known as "the genius of Neive"?

Created by Murgh (talk). Self nom at 22:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benthoctopus levis

... that a study found that around 50 out of the 70 examined specimens of the subantarctic octopus species Benthoctopus levis (pictured) had fed exclusively on brittle stars?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Nominated by J Milburn (talk) at 22:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good but shouldn't the link in the hook be to subantarctic, instead of subatlantic? Also, I think ophiuroids should be changed to brittle stars in the article. Smartse (talk) 16:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, idiotic mistake on my part. Fixed, and will fix the article now. Thanks for spotting that. J Milburn (talk) 16:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Easily done, was a bit confused by subatlantic. Smartse (talk) 16:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Anne of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg

... ~~that Princess Anne of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg was both the first woman to attempt and perish in a transatlantic airplane flight?~~

Created by Caponer (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Better: ALT1: ... that Princess Anne of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg was the first woman to attempt, and to perish in, a transatlantic airplane flight?

ALT1 verified, offline hooks refs accepted in good faith. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:26, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1938 European Athletics Championships

... that Dora Ratjen (pictured) was stripped of the women's high jump gold medal from the 1938 European Athletics Championships because he was a man?

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion, date and hook ref verified. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amelia Van Buren

... that American photographer Amelia Van Buren (pictured) was the subject of one of Thomas Eakins' most famous paintings?

Created by Howcheng (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the image of the painting? Gatoclass (talk) 03:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a possibility, but since the article is about her, I thought the photo of the person was better. howcheng {chat} 16:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you mention "one of Thomas Eakins' most famous paintings", people are going to expect to see the painting. I certainly did, and I was quite confused when I found that I appeared to be looking at a photograph by Thomas Eakins. So I think to avoid confusion it would be better to use the painting. Gatoclass (talk) 12:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Franjo Tuđman Bridge (Dubrovnik)

... that the opening of the Franjo Tuđman Bridge (pictured) was controversial due to a public naming dispute?

Created by Tomobe03 (talk). Self nom at 16:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and references verified. Todor →Bozhinov 08:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Powership

... that a newly constructed powership, a floating power plant capable of generating 144 MW of electricity, currently supplies Basra in south-eastern Iraq.?

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A few points, firstly the history section - the first paragraph should probably be removed as it is about a power barge, not a powership. The second paragraph needs a reference. Then the hook needs to be directly mentioned in prose in the article, it doesn't currently say that there is one in Basra, or what power it is (although it is stated at Powership#In_use). I've rearranged the hook slightly so it reads better. Smartse (talk) 16:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1st: Yes, the vessel is a power barge. However, she was a self-propelled ship before and was turned in to a barge after removal of her machinery. I mentioned her for the reason that one should not confuse a power barge from a vessel, which looks like a ship. I guess there must be a place in an article also for the counter-piece. Besides, this point is not subject of the hook.
2nd: OK. There is no explicit reference to that both powerships, however they are wikilinked to articles in the en:WP, where they are well referenced. Do we need in that circumstance referencing? Besides, these are also not the subject of the hook.
3rd: I see that not every one can understand at sight that the mentioned ship has 144 MW power and was stationed in Basra, even though all that information is given in the article, maybe indirectly. I rewrote that passage in conformity with the hook.
Thanks a lot indeed for posting a note in my tlak page.CeeGee (talk) 18:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article needs some additional work in terms of grammar etc. before it should appear on the main page. Zoeperkoe (talk) 04:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you specify where?CeeGee (talk) 06:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For the grammar I have to take a closer look (for which I don't have time right now, but a few other things I noted with this article are (some of which, though, are not necessary for DYK but they add up to the overall picture of this article being not (yet) suitable for appearance on the main page):

-Note 1 refers to another wikipedia article; that should be fixed because Wikipedia does not cite itself.

-Things like "a renowned international certification agency with unique experience " sound like an advert and certainly do not reflect a neutral POV.

-better wikilinks; i.e. first occurrence of MW instead of last, wikilink US Navy, etc.

Further, given the close similarity of powerships to power barges (especially since your article deals with power barges as well), wouldn't it be better to merge the two? Can someone else have a look at this as well? -- Zoeperkoe (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. You need to decide whether it is or isn't a power barge. I'd just leave it out if it is ambiguous if I was you.

Done

2. Yes, we need at least one inline reference per paragraph, try looking in the linked articles to find a suitable reference to include in the article.

Done

3. Thanks.

4. The advantages section needs attention - what are these advantages compared to? Powerbarges, normal powerstations or something else? The 4th almost definitely needs to go.

DoneSmartse (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The history section still needs work. After reading the reference for the USS Hoel it says that it was a powerbarge, as it had to be towed there. The Saranac does seem to be a powership, so I think that can stay but the rest should go. Smartse (talk) 11:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

DoneCeeGee (talk) 11:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Norman MacLeod (The Wicked Man)

... that the original nickname of Norman MacLeod, 22nd chief of Clan MacLeod, was "The Wicked Man", but a 20th century chief tried to change it to "The Red Man"?

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 11:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Patrol 35, Tsagaan Khass

... that both Patrol 35, based in Israel, and Tsagaan Khass, based in Mongolia, are openly neo-Nazi organizations?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 05:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to its article, Patrol 35 no longer exists (which would make the hook incorrect). In addition, there doesn't appear to be a specific statement in the Tsagaan Khass article, supported by a reference, that says it is openly neo-Nazi. Maybe a different hook - perhaps something about how the second organization justifies its use of the swastika symbol? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I just noticed neo-Nazi is indeed what the one source for that article calls Tsagaan Khass - although with it having considerable potential for controversy, I wonder if a single source is enough? (That position also raises questions about its notability) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:51, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe change "are" in the hook to "are or were" in order to dispel the present/past tense issues? Also, there are other sources available for Tsagaan Khass, but many of them are in non-English languages (particuarly Mongolian, understandably.) Perhaps a Mongolian-speaking Wikipedian would be able to help out. Stonemason89 (talk) 16:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Patrol 35 is being reviewed for possible deletion. Shiva (Visnu) 17:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And is trending towards keep. Stonemason89 (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Bangladesh

... that former Governor of Assam S.K. Sinha linked illegal immigration from Bangladesh with a design to absorb the Indian Assam into a "Greater Bangladesh"?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 05:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pls trim the hook to 200 or fewer characters long. It's 218 characters long now. --PFHLai (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done, Shiva (Visnu) 17:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that the article has some serious POV issues. The article is based on a rather fringy theory that the Bangladeshi govt is pursuing a massive settling scheme for the purpose of territorial expansion. However, it only identifies two very marginal organizations by name. I'll post a comment on the article talk page later, explaining more in detail. --Soman (talk) 04:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phule's Company

... that in Phule's Company Robert Asprin spoofed the military science fiction genre, even while developing endearing characters?

Created by Sadads (talk). Self nom at 00:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a horrible hook (and I thoroughly enjoyed the first few books) . Come up with something better. DS (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 21

Philadelphia Polish American Festival

... that Philadelphia Polish American Festival was a part of the revival in Polonia in Philadelphia during the 1970s?

Created by PolAmFest (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 04:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Michaela Gigon, Christine Schaffner, Ksenia Chernykh, Adrian Jackson (orienteering), Ruslan Gritsan

... that among mountain bike orienteers with multiple world championships gold medals are Michaela Gigon, Christine Schaffner (pictured), Ksenia Chernykh, Adrian Jackson and Ruslan Gritsan?

5x expanded by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Bacigalupo

... that Lacrosse Hall of Fame electee Scott Bacigalupo won the Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Jr. Award as the NCAA top goaltender three years in a row?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

David Morrow (sports)

... that lacrosse defenseman and founder of Warrior Lacrosse David Morrow designed the titanium lacrosse stick?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trevor Tierney

... that lacrosse goaltender Trevor Tierney has won an NCAA Men's Lacrosse Championship, a Major League Lacrosse Steinfeld Cup Championship and a World Lacrosse Championship gold medal?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Trombino

... that Peter Trombino was the first Princeton Tigers men's lacrosse freshman to score at least one goal in all 15 of his games?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Cocoziello

... that Dan Cocoziello is the only defenseman to have won the Ivy League men's lacrosse rookie of the year?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

B. J. Prager

... that B. J. Prager has scored overtime game-winning goals in both state high school and national collegiate championship lacrosse games?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Hewit

... that Alex Hewit earned the Ensign C. Markland Kelly, Jr. Award as the best NCAA lacrosse goaltender by holding the three highest scoring teams in the nation to half of their scoring average?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Mollett

... that Ryan Mollett was the first player drafted in the first Major League Lacrosse Collegiate Draft?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Hess (lacrosse), Chris Massey (lacrosse), Josh Sims & Jesse Hubbard

... that Jon Hess, Chris Massey and Jesse Hubbard formed the 1996, 1997 and 1998 national champion Princeton lacrosse potent offense, while Christian Cook led the defense and Josh Sims developed as a midfield scoring threat?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 22:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1977 NBA Draft

... that in the 1977 NBA Draft, the New Orleans Jazz selected Lusia Harris, a pregnant basketball player?

ALT1:... that in the 1977 NBA Draft, the New Orleans Jazz selected a female basketball player, Lusia Harris, who was pregnant at the time?
ALT2:... that Lusia Harris, who was drafted in the seventh round of the 1977 NBA Draft, was the first and only woman ever drafted in the NBA?
Comment: Not sure whether the main hook is appropriate, so I provide ALT1 which is clearer but longer, and ALT2 which is a totally different hook.

5x expanded by Martin tamb (talk). Self nom at 13:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is the original hook not misleading? The selectors didn't know at the time that she was pregnant. ALT1 I think is too wordy, but ALT2 is fine. —Bruce1ee^talk 07:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 Verified. --NortyNort (Holla) 10:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mario G. Obledo

... that a co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, Mario G. Obledo organized a boycott of the Taco Bell chihuahua, citing the dog's sterotypical Mexican accent?

Created by Nenajpsnet (talk), Arxiloxos (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 14:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The dog's "Mexican accent" is not mentioned in the article. —Bruce1ee^talk 07:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Thomas Smith (1766-1833)

... that British Museum keeper John Thomas Smith wrote a life of the sculptor Joseph Nollekens that was noted for its "malicious candour"?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(alt)... that, because Antiquity Smith was not given a large bequest by Joseph Nollekens, his biography of the sculptor contained "malicious candour"? Victuallers (talk) 14:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original verified. --NortyNort (Holla) 10:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meghalaya Legislative Assembly

... that the Meghalaya Legislative Assembly was first convened in 1970 as a body of 37 indirectly-elected members when Meghalaya was an autonomous state within the state of Assam?

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Nominated by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk) at 23:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Goldwasser

... that Benjamin Goldwasser and Andrew VanWyngarden (both pictured) made their debut as the band MGMT playing the theme to the movie Ghostbusters over and over for hours?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 22:30, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. I was thinking of replacing "over and over" with "continuously" but am not sure how much of a change it would be. Good job. --NortyNort (Holla) 09:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pepi, Luci, Bom

... that the film Pepi, Luci, Bom directed by Pedro Almodóvar includes a lesbian golden shower scene in the middle of a knitting lesson?

5x expanded by miguelemejia (talk). Self nom at 20:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Although Wikipedia is not censored, this is grotesquely inappropriate for the front page. DS (talk) 23:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to agree with DragonflySixtyseven here. The article is perfectly fine, but the hook could definitely be much better. Right now, it seems like "just another porno, why should I care?" (and is also jarring for anyone just reading the main page). The article seems to have quite a bit of historic significance (as evidenced by the number of paper sources), could we use something from there instead? NW (Talk) 00:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And technically, it's not really correct, either; the knitting lesson was suspended before the love scene. Suggested alternate: "DYK...that the film Pepi, Luci, Bom was Pedro Almodovar's first feature film, and was based on a story titled "General Erections" which parodied the 1977 Spanish general elections?" Risker on the road (talk) 02:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the film Pepi, Luci, Bom was based on a story titled "General Erections" which parodied the 1977 Spanish general elections? "talk).--Miguelemejia (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Woodlawn Preserve

... that the Woodlawn Preserve is one of the most biologically diverse habitats in Schenectady County, New York due to the combination of swamp, wetlands, water bodies, and dune vegetation?

Created by Camelbinky (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article is 1272 characters, short of 1500. --NortyNort (Holla) 11:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I guess I withdraw this nomination then... do I just delete this then? I'm still a bit new to DYK.Camelbinky (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you can expand it quickly, it can still go. A good rule of thumb in the future is to have the article ready to go when you nominate it. There are problems though and they can get fixed here. If you expand it, just leave a message here.--NortyNort (Holla) 14:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about now? Silverseren^C 00:13, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By my count, I do believe it breaks the 1500 mark. Thank you for your help.Camelbinky (talk) 00:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified. Nice job. --NortyNort (Holla) 09:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of Baptists in Kentucky

… that in the early history of Baptists in Kentucky there were three church Associations and 12 churches recorded in Asplund's Register for 1785? Me again. Uncle G (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. —Bruce1ee^talk 06:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Graveney Marsh

... that the Battle of Graveney Marsh on 27 September 1940 between British and German troops was the last action involving a foreign invading force to take place on mainland British soil?

Created by Philg88 (talk). Nominated by De728631 (talk) at 00:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article is only 755 characters, almost exactly half of the minimum length. Additionally, there's only one reference, used in a single location; much of the article is uncited. Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I wasn't aware of the minimum length, but I can of course add some more text. As to citing sources, the whole article is in fact based on the Telegraph article in the footnote, I thought that was obvious and the only possibly controversial thing is the "last invasion" trigger in the lead - anything else doesn't need an inline citation. But I can of course mark the source as a general reference as well, but that'd be superfluous in my opinion. De728631 (talk) 11:05, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been expanded to a net length of over 1,700 characters with multiple citations from three reliable sources. I think that should work now. De728631 (talk) 11:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 20

Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center

... that the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (pictured), based in Moscow, is one of the world's leading space launch providers?

ALT1:... that Tatyana Dyachenko daughter of President Boris Yeltsin, worked at Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (pictured) until 1994?
ALT2:... that Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center (pictured) is responsible for lofting every third kilogram of the world's combined annual satellite payload?

5x expanded by Offliner (talk). Nominated by Offliner (talk) at 16:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple of missing words to the original hook, but
Ref 1 is a dead link for me and ref 2 (even of I choose July 15) doesn't seem to have some of the things in it that it's supposed to support, e.g. "company currently has an over 30% market share of the global space launch market". Mikenorton (talk) 16:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mass suicide in Demmin

... that in the last days of World War II, the Red Army's arrival in Demmin triggered a mass suicide of several hundred people?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 09:39, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose-numerous issues have not been resolved in the article, which now has the attention of several editors pointing out pointing out problems with it. The very hook might be not correct as scholarly sources are at odds with the claim, in addition to the fact that first deaths happened due to Nazi killings[3] There is also evidence that this event is highly politicised by far-right circles in Germany,and editors have mentioned that this needs to be covered and the article needs to avoid giving fuel to those claims. Also issues have been pointed out with sources used to write this article[4]. There is also an RFC opened and ongoing[5]. In other words this article is highly contested and highly controversial in current form. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

discussion ongoing on article talk page

Very strong oppose-this seems to be a WP:Synthesis combined with essey, thus going against two Wikipedia guidelines, in addition it is based on very dubious sources(among which is a pastor and a politician who was 9 years at the time). I think the article needs to be deleted as per [Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought] and [Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion] mentioned here [6]. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any essay-like content here. Moreover, the occupations and ages of the sources are not themselves reasons to say that they're unreliable: this man's published writings were reliable sources on the American Civil War, and any current Egyptologists write about events that happened long before they were 9 years old. Could you explain your reasoning more fully? Nyttend (talk) 15:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even a brief search through the sources indicated that the article does not reflect them-I already found that the estimates range from 700 and hardly "more than 1000". Another thing-this article seems to be skewed into portayal of the events as results of Red Army-sources about suicide in Nazi Germany though point heavily to Nazi indoctrination that resulted into cult-like behaviour and hysteria during the fall of Nazi regime(this is directly in fragments where Dennim is mentioned). Thirdly-the article doesn't mention the killings of family members by Nazis which the articles about this mention as well. In other words-so far it represents very biased portayal while omitting important information, with cherry picked details to give it more tabloid-sensantionalistic tone. If it is to stay-all sources will have to be reviewed in detail to pick out the real portayal(like I said, even brief review led to discover that over 1000 number is not correct).--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you're correct — and I can't know, since I don't speak German — you still haven't answered the question, because the things you're discussing are what you believe to be factual errors. You've also not explained why two of these sources are unreliable because of the occupation and age of their authors. Nyttend (talk) 00:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For now the issues with reliability of the pastor will have to wait-there are several others that need to be resolved.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some sources used in the article refer to Norbert Buske, who is a pastor, and is also chairman of the Historical Commission for Pomerania, chairmen of the Society for Pomeranian History, Early History and Arts, chairman of the Study Group for Pomeranian Church History, and publisher of several history books (de.wiki entry). Any concerns about him should be raised at RS/N, not on DYK talk. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have adressed the issues Molobo (talk · contribs) aka MyMoloboaccount (talk · contribs) raised on article talk. I can only repeat here that if he feels that article needs to be deleted, as he said above and on article talk, he should take it to AfD right away and try to find a consensus there. Aussuming good faith, this is genuine interest in the article and not related to either the SPI I initiated last spring that got him blocked until recently, or the WP:EEML arbcom where I provided evidence against him. I noticed that Molobo and Radeksz went after a former EEML target on DYK talk recently [7], and I don't want that to happen here again. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Skapperod you might want to start debating articles in question, rather than throw EEML accussations here and there as substitute of response to valid criticism.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article now avoids mentioning that Nazi inflicted deaths happened well before any alledged Soviet atrocitiesDer Amokschütze ist offenbar Studienrat Gerhard Moldenhauer. Der NSDAP-Mitläufer hatte einer Nachbarin erklärt: „Ich habe eben meine Frau und meine Kinder erschossen, nun will ich noch ein paar Russen umlegen.“--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note also that the above information and sources make the proposed hook completely wrong and pushing a POV claim regarding the reason for suicides.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion is here. I fail to see how a person running amok due to the arrival of the Red Army contradicts the hook. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide in Nazi Germany by Christian Goeschel in describing those events makes clear explanation that they were connected to Nazi indoctrination, propaganda and attachment to Nazi regime that reached cult-level status--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 23:45, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This connection has so far not been substantiated despite the requests of two users to provide a reapective quote in this discussion. The outcome of this discussion should however not be of any relevance with respect to this DYK nomination. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is of total relevance to DYK in question since your hook tries to push one version of reasons for the suicides. Anyway you might try some patience-not even a day has passed in that discussion, and Wiki is not an everyday work for us. As to the sources-the scholarly ones describe the suicides of which Demmin was part and explain reasons for-Nazi propaganda and suicidal death of Adolf Hitler being one of them.Both the current hook and article completely conceal that aspect. Have no fear-I shall soon expand Wiki knowledge on that using scholarly publications.The--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 08:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you have found time to open multiple discussions on article talk, twice tag a POV template to the article, and to turn this DYK candidate entry into a fork of the talk page. It would be a lot easier for all of us if you just name/quote your source, as requested multiple times on article talk. Skäpperöd (talk) 10:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That was before your request which prompted me to start writing on this topic-which btw I am doing at the moment. Wrtiting a balanced, neutral article requires time and good resources. It will be finished within a day or two.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I found some sources indicating that modern Neonazis and far right in Germany use those events to spread their propaganda[8][9], and some association «Vereinigung Freies Pommern» is mentioned as well. I believe this needs to be adressed in the article--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 08:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about whether the attempts of this otherwise unknown group to organize a demonstration on 8 May should be mentioned in the article is here. This is not a DYK talk issue. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPD is fairly well known group Skapperod, represented in elections. Anyway we wouldn't want the DYK to appear to support quite by coincidence of course such propaganda.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 08:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source you cited above and on article talk does not mention NPD. Neither does NPD appear anywhere in the article. Else I refer to the resp. tak page section, this does not belong on DYK talk. Skäpperöd (talk) 10:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neither does the one-sided POV claim that the suicides were the consequence of Red Army arrival and not mentioning the fact of Hitler's suicide and Nazi propaganda influencing the mass suicide wave in Nazi Germany, as Even if Nazi propaganda was not responsible for all suicides, then, it had created a common language and set of identifications for the masses of Germans who were living this war experience".The current hook is too simplified and would lead to seriously unbalanced article. As to sources about NPD patricipation and far right propaganda-it is easy to find[10]. It seems they are very active on spreading their propaganda on the internet also[11](yes I realise youtube is not source,its for discussion only). Anyway I am glad that you want to protect this article from such propaganda, a welcome change from your previous use of publication from Nazi Germany as source of historic information[12], I hope it stays that way. Right now I will write the needed information and then we can continue on ways to improve the article. Have a good day.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The "welcome change" story is way out of line. Nowhere did I ever come anywhere close to spreading Nazi propaganda. This thread is however not the venue to pursue this, I give you a chance to redact now and will otherwise leave this thread to other editors for now. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Molobo (talk · contribs) aka MyMoloboaccount's opposition has been discussed at length on talk. Whether or not a consensus will be reached for inclusion/exclusion of a right-wing rally into the article (discussion) should not affect the article's DYK nomination. Skäpperöd (talk) 05:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My opposition? They are at least three other editors concerned about the article's POV problems and the issues within it. The fact that this topic is being exploited by Neonazis and far right in Germany and needs thus to avoid fueling their propaganda is just tip of the iceberg the article. Also as an engaged party, you shouldn't close down disputes you are engaged in as "resolved" since you aren't neutral in the dispute. Plus don't move around my comments. Thank you.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is well written with good sources, however I would like to see mention in the article that the radical right in Germany is attempting to turn the tragic events of 1945 into modern day neo-Nazi propaganda. We need to point out the radical right is attempting to use the tragedy in Demmin to trivialize the crimes of the Nazi regime. This attempt to exploit the Demmin tragedy is rejected by the vast majority of Germans who are appalled by the crimes of Hitler Germany. Please don't move around my comments. Thank you--Woogie10w (talk) 20:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Action of 12 December 1782

... that on 12 December 1782, a single British frigate defeated five enemy ships (battle pictured), taking two as prizes?

Created/expanded by Bruichladdich1 (talk). Nominated by GeeJo (talk) at 11:46, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph of the 'Background' section has no citations, also the the hook fact is somewhat scattered about the article - it is summarised in the lede but without a citation, perhaps one could be added there. Mikenorton (talk) 14:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ejército Grande

... that the Brazilian Army and Navy fought in the Argentine Civil War as part of the Ejército Grande?

Created by Alexf (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything is good to go but the article lacks citations on its main portion. Also, there appears to be several section headers and sentences still in Spanish, like: "With un total de 4.020 men, comandados por el brigadier Manuel Marqués de Souza:" ~~Was this transferred from the Spanish Wikipedia?~~--NortyNort (Holla) 10:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind on the transfer question, I see it was.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Had missed that line. I did the translation myself. Fixed! Thanks for the heads up. -- Alexf^(talk) 02:43, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last translation: "Cuerpo de army Brazil" and the article still only has one citation.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of Song

... that the History of Song with its 496 chapters is the largest of the 24 Histories of Dynastic China?

Created by Philg88 (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice hook but the article has no inline citations. --NortyNort (Holla) 10:28, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NortyNort but since the article is about a book it is somewhat self referencing - external references to this work are few and far between hence its absence on Wikipedia until now and the lack of inline citations. Best, Philg88 ^contact 15:36, 20 June 2024 UTC [refresh]

Yes, I got that idea from the article in general but the hook must be cited and the article should have citations as well. The book itself can't reference its own "Publication process", "Evaluation" and "Later influence" as the sections you have. That is the result of secondary sources, not the primary source (the book) so the book isn't self referencing. I was surprised no one made an article on this as well. --NortyNort (Holla) 12:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 19

John Ghindia, Lou Baldacci, Jim Maddock, Stan Noskin, Dave Glinka, Wally Gabler

... that Michigan's starting quarterbacks in pre-Bo Schembechler era included John Ghindia (1949), Lou Baldacci (1953–1954), Jim Maddock (1954–1956), Stan Noskin (1957–1959), Dave Glinka (1960–1962), and Wally Gabler (1965)?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dates and sizes are good for all articles. The problem with the hook is that while it is clearly true (Schembechler began his coaching career at Michigan in 1969) my browser's search function and I were unable to locate any mention of either Schembechler or any era beginning in 1969 in any of the nominated articles. There is thus no mention of the hook fact in any of the articles as required by the DYK rules. --Allen3 ^talk 23:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given the DYK backlog, my goal was to find a unifying theme to link all 6 articles in a single hook. All 6 played QB for Michigan in the 20 year period before Schembechler became the head coach in 1969. If the concern is with calling the Schembechler years an era, how about the following alt:

... that Michigan's starting quarterbacks in the post-World War II era included John Ghindia (1949), Lou Baldacci (1953–1954), Jim Maddock (1954–1956), Stan Noskin (1957–1959), Dave Glinka (1960–1962), and Wally Gabler (1965)? Cbl62 (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if these help allay Allen3's concern, but:

"His presence dwarfs Moeller on Michigan's media guide, which devotes its first eight pages to the Schembechler era that dates to 1969." (Orlando Sentinel, Sept. 12, 1990).
"...have been perennial bridesmaids during the 20-year Schembechler era...Schembechler became coach in 1969." (Miami Herald, Sept. 13, 1988).
"Michigan returns to the national prominence of the Bo Schembechler era (1969 to 1989)." (Washington Times, Sept. 13, 1997).

Strikehold (talk) 00:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For September 5, 14th Sunday after Trinity

Gerlinde Sämann

... that soprano Gerlinde Sämann performed with La Petite Bande Bach's cantata for the 14th Sunday after Trinity, Jesu, der du meine Seele, BWV 78?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For September 13, 15:00 GMT, see comment text

Polytechnic of Namibia

... that the main campus of the Polytechnic of Namibia includes Elisabeth House (pictured), Windhoek's former obstetric hospital?

5x expanded by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 08:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Okay, here I will request quite an amount of good faith into me: The creator, almost all contributors, and I are affiliated to this institution, either as employees or as students. However, nobody else seems to want to write about it, so here I submit despite a crystal-clear COI. --Pgallert (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And a Question: On September 13, 15:00 GMT I will present a lecture on Wikipedia at the Auditorium Maximum of Polytechnic of Namibia. It would of course be a nice publicity stunt to have the institution mentioned on the main page at that particular day and time. Does Wikipedia support something like this? I would believe it is a win-win situation. --Pgallert (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

5x expansion, date, length and hook verified. I fixed some grammar in the hook and bolded the article name. I see nothing wrong with you being an employee of the Polytechnic, the article is certainly not biased in any way. Todor →Bozhinov 09:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody objected to the special timing suggestion so far, so I have moved it to the Special Holding Area. --Pgallert (talk) 13:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(tongue in cheek) - do tell your students that each of them has to write a DYK on their hometown and the Namibian institution has to be an FA in four languages in return for this ginormous favour. Oh and good luck with the lecture. Victuallers (talk) 14:47, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

:) Thanks, will do. Actually the will write something, see here, and I promised a 100% assignment mark should their contribution make it to DYK. Namibia an FA, that would be something... I'm willing to accept any help. --Pgallert (talk) 15:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it is win-win and we should help (any others?). I have updated all school articles (not too many) in Winhoek where your poly is Victuallers (talk) 16:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For 31 October, Hallowe'en

The 2010 Halloween collection has started early. Victuallers (talk) 20:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)Victuallers (talk) 21:19, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Euphorbia tithymaloides

... that a person can create more of the Devil's Backbone by cutting it off above a joint and putting it in sandy soil?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 03:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Veratrum nigrum

... that it is not true that the Black False Hellebore is a Hellebore, it is true that it is highly toxic and can easily cause death?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Nominated by Tim1965 (talk) at 18:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The hook seems a bit obvious to me - surely the reason it is called a false hellebore is because it isn't a hellebore? Smartse (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The point is to create a play on words with the title of the plant. It is not a true Hellbore; it is true it can kill you. When it comes to plants, most people probably don't know what the term "false" means (I didn't). So verifying that "false means false" is not just a play on words, it is informative as well (confirming a person's assumptions). - Tim1965 (talk) 03:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ferocactus latispinus

... that the Devil's tongue barrel (pictured) is found in Mexico?

Comment: I know, a bit lame but has a cool name...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 14:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about: ALT1 ... that the Devil's tongue barrel (pictured) is covered in 4cm long spines?

It sounds scarier to me. We could maybe make something out of this but saying that it can be killed by Fusarium oxysporum doesn't sound very scary. Another option is to make a stub for Didymium wildpretii using this and then we could have a hook of ALT2 ... that Didymium wildpretii eats the decaying remains of Devil's tongue barrel (pictured)? Smartse (talk) 12:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not the easiest material to work with. For hook purposes (eg ALT2) it is probably best called a "barrel of devil's tongues"? A bit of creative Googling came up with PAR 279 of this ref which would allow an example of a site in which it grows in the wild and hence (stretching a bit) :

ALT3... that Jesus had a barrel of Devil's tongues (pictured)?

That same ref has a bunch of saints which could be translated into English, and MZ 1239 leaves the tilde off La Cañada... Alternatively you could use the hardiness data to suggest that :

ALT4... that a barrel of Devil's tongues (pictured) would survive if hell freezes over?

The Fusarium is tricky, you'd end up playing with "mouldy bottoms" or "butt rot". One little thing, the image relies on recurvus being a synonym for latispinus. I don't doubt that it is, but it probably ought to be reffed - and in any case, it's a bit too obvious an image to accompany a hook that we're struggling to get tricksy with... Le Deluge (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The book ref lists recurvus as a synonym. The other hooks are more interesting than mine, and yeah I reckon losing the picture will probably help. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Átahsaia

... that according to Zuni folklore, the giant cannibalistic demon Átahsaia tried to feed soup made from dead children to two maidens?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give the page number "for soup"? Victuallers (talk) 14:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done! P. 266. (They actually pull the hand bones of a child from it! yummers!) - Tim1965 (talk) 02:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the giant demon Átahsaia made soup from the corpses of children?

(cannibalistic is taken as read given his culinary tastes, and I think it just flows a bit better by stripping it down) Le Deluge (talk) 14:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to cause a dust-up by claiming this is real (as Zuni religious believers would have it) or not (as Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc.) would have it. Besides, I like advertising a First Nation whose people and culture have long suffered. So I propose the following. - Tim1965 (talk) 18:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2... that according to Zuni folklore, the giant demon Átahsaia made soup from the corpses of children?

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: ~~Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?~~
--K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 :*'''ALT1''':... that in the '''[[1977 NBA Draft]]''', the [[Utah Jazz|New Orleans Jazz]] selected a female basketball player, [[Lusia Harris]], who was pregnant at the time?
-:*'''ALT2''':... that [[Lusia Harris]], who was [[Draft (sports)|drafted]] in the seventh round of the '''[[1977 NBA Draft]]''', was the first and only woman ever drafted in the [[National Basketball Association|NBA]]?
+:* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] '''ALT2''':... that [[Lusia Harris]], who was [[Draft (sports)|drafted]] in the seventh round of the '''[[1977 NBA Draft]]''', was the first and only woman ever drafted in the [[National Basketball Association|NBA]]?
 :*''Comment'': Not sure whether the main hook is appropriate, so I provide ALT1 which is clearer but longer, and ALT2 which is a totally different hook.
 <small>5x expanded by [[User:Martin tamb|Martin tamb]] ([[User talk:Martin tamb|talk]]). Self nom at 13:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)</small>
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 ::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Is the original hook not misleading? The selectors didn't know at the time that she was pregnant. ALT1 I think is too wordy, but ALT2 is fine. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]<sup>[[User talk:Bruce1ee|talk]]</sup> 07:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
+:::* ALT2 Verified. --[[User:NortyNort|NortyNort]]  <small>[[User talk:NortyNort|(Holla)]]</small> 10:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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