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Typhoon Yagi over the South China Sea Typhoon Yagi (satellite image shown) leaves at least 85 people dead in China, Vietnam, and the Philippines. An attempted jailbreak at Makala Central Prison in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo, leaves 129 people dead. A Mil Mi-8 helicopter crashes in Kamchatka, Russia, killing all 22 people on board. The Summer Paralympics close in Paris, France. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Pete Wade Cathy Merrick Rich Homie Quan Rebecca Cheptegei Hvaldimir Linda Deutsch view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 23

Portal:Current events/2021 November 23

November 23, 2021 (2021-11-23) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Donbas, Russo-Ukrainian War Ukraine warns of "combat preparedness" of separatist forces in eastern Ukraine as the Russian military presence on the border increases, warning of a potential new conflict. The separatists began mobilization of reservists yesterday. (Reuters) Arts and culture Artefacts from the Battle of Magdala taken in 1868 are returned to Ethiopia by the United Kingdom. (WION) Business and economy 2018–2021 Turkish currency and debt crisis The Turkish lira falls to an all-time low of 13.44 to the U.S. dollar. The crash was primarily caused by president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's defense of the Central Bank's continued interest rate cuts amid soaring inflation. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2021 Bulgaria bus crash Forty-six people are killed and seven more are injured when a bus carrying Macedonian tourists returning from Istanbul crashes and catches fire near Bosnek, Pernik Province, Bulgaria. (The New York Times) Two people are killed and 16 others are injured by an explosion at an EDePro rocket engine plant near Belgrade, Serbia. (7 News) Six people are dead and ten others are missing after the ferry they were travelling on capsizes in Kinniya, Sri Lanka. (ABC News Australia) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Switzerland COVID-19 vaccination in Switzerland Swissmedic approves the extension of booster doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to people over the age of 16 years as well as high-risk people over the age of 12 years. (The Times of India) COVID-19 drug development The Swiss government signs a deal to reserve 8,640 doses of Merck & Co.'s antiviral drug molnupiravir beginning in January. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Australia surpasses 200,000 cases of COVID-19. (Yahoo! News) Law and crime Waukesha Christmas parade attack An eight-year-old boy, injured during the attack in Waukesha, Wisconsin, dies, bringing the death toll to six. Several of the sixty-two injured still remain in critical condition. (CNN) The suspect, 39-year-old Darrell Brooks, has been charged with six counts of first-degree intentional homicide, and the bail set at $5 million. (France 24) Colombian peace process United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres arrives in Colombia to commemorate the fifth year of the signing of the peace deal between the government of Colombia and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. (MercoPress) The Biden administration announces the delisting of the former FARC rebel group from the United States Department of State list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations where it had been listed since 1997. (Reuters) Sines v. Kessler A U.S. federal jury finds the organizers of 2017's Unite the Right rally, which includes white supremacists Richard B. Spencer, Jason Kessler, and Christopher Cantwell, liable for the violence that occurred and are ordered to pay US$26 million to nine individuals that suffered "physical and emotional damages". However, the jury was deadlocked on whether to convict on two federal conspiracy charges. (DW) (CNN)

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November 22

Portal:Current events/2021 November 22

November 22, 2021 (2021-11-22) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Tigray War; Oromo conflict TDF–OLA joint offensive Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed, a former soldier, announces that he will lead his country's army from the battlefront beginning tomorrow. (The Washington Post) Insurgency in the Maghreb Gunmen open fire at a security post in Sanmatenga, Burkina Faso, killing ten civilians and nine gendarmes. Another person is injured and a healthcare center is burned. (The Washington Post) Business and economy 2021 United Kingdom natural gas supplier crisis Bulb Energy, which supplies 1.7 million customers in the United Kingdom, collapses into administration, becoming the largest energy supplier to have ever collapsed. The company will also be the first energy supplier to be placed under "special administration", which means that the company will be run by the government regulator Ofgem. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents Nine people die in a fire at a nursing home in the village of Royak, Dalgopol Municipality, Bulgaria. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austria enters its fourth full nationwide lockdown that prohibits people from leaving their home except for specific reasons, while allowing schools to remain open, in order to reduce the number of new COVID-19 cases. (AP) COVID-19 pandemic in France Prime Minister Jean Castex tests positive for COVID-19. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece begins to implement measures that ban people who are unvaccinated or who have not recovered from COVID-19 from entering indoor public places and also mandates the wearing of masks in all workplaces in order to reduce the spread of COVID-19. (Ekathimerini) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovakia Slovakia imposes a lockdown for those who are unvaccinated against COVID-19, which prevents them from entering non-essential shops. Slovakia is currently experiencing one of the world's highest infection rates. (Medical Xpress) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Israel, COVID-19 vaccination in Israel Israel begins administering the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for children between the ages of 5 and 11 years. (The Times of Israel) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore partially eases its social gathering restrictions and will allow up to five vaccinated people to dine in at food and drink establishments, hawker centres, and coffee shops as the country moves to the endemic phase due to a decrease in the number of new COVID-19 cases. (Singapore Business Report) COVID-19 pandemic in Kenya The Kenyan government approves a measure requiring people to present proof of vaccination in order to enter businesses, restaurants and government offices. This is also to encourage vaccination in a country where only 5% of the population is vaccinated. (The New York Times) International relations Bulgaria–United States relations, Bulgaria–Russia relations The United States expresses a "deep concern" over Bulgarian President Rumen Radev's remarks, where he referred to Crimea as "Russian". Radev has expressed his views of maintaining "pragmatic ties" with Russia. The statement by the United States comes after Ukraine summoned the Bulgarian ambassador to Kyiv three days ago. (RFE/RL) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2021 Venezuelan regional elections Opposition leader Juan Guaidó calls for unity and to rebuild the opposition's fragmented strategy, after suffering a heavy loss at the regional elections and losing 20 gubernatorial races to the ruling United Socialist Party of Venezuela. (Reuters)

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RD: Doug Jones (baseball)

Article: Doug Jones (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

RD: Hilda Múdra

Article: Hilda Múdra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News Agency of the Slovak Republic
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by Marian Gladis (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hergilei (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-born Slovak figure skating coach. TJMSmith (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

2021 Waukesha car crash

Article: 2021 Waukesha car crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and at least forty are injured in an apparent vehicle-ramming incident during a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A Christmas parade car crash in Waukesha, Wisconsin leaves five people dead and at least forty injured.
News source(s): CNN, AP, BBC, Guardian, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheEpicGhosty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Love of Corey (talk · give credit) and Lightburst (talk · give credit)

 Thriley (talk) 03:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support Well referenced, vehicle ramming attacks do not occur regularly in the US, and major RS across the world are reporting this. 99.247.176.90 (talk) 03:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait only to have more details (eg confirmed number of fatalities, suspected reason for what happened (eg was this intended as an attack , etc?) --Masem (t) 03:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• [s]Not Ready[/s] Support While I agree that this is probably significant enough for ITN, the article is in the midst of a page change discussion and, while there are descriptions of the attack circulating the internet the section on the attack itself is currently only 1 sentence. Rockphed (talk) 04:50, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Seeing how the article has improved and that some information is starting to come out, I think this is ready. Rockphed (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait Notable but article lacks information.  Nixinova   T   C   05:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb. In the news and significant. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 05:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Article will be updated once more information is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose article is barely a stub, appears to be a tragic accident. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Strong oppose apparently the fall-out from a domestic dispute. No different to a minor (in US terms) mass shooting, while tragic of course. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see how is this more notable than 2018 Mishui vehicle attack or 2020 Trier attack, and the article in its current shape doesn't convince me at all. This is most definitely not in the same league as 2016 Nice truck attack, 2016 Berlin truck attack, 2017 London Bridge attack and 2017 New York City truck attack.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support -- although we should wait until (at least) a suspect is released; as we still don't know what the motive was. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 08:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality article is just a stub. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Not terrorism, according to "sources", so whilst tragic, it appears to be a worse-than-usual crime gone wrong. Black Kite (talk) 08:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support -- It seems that around five people died in the attack. The perpetrator has been reported by a few media outlets as Daniel Brooks, a black man who raps under the name "MathboiFly" and has tons of social media posts supporting BLM, and this was in the aftermath of a very notable event where Rittenhouse was cleared as killing two black men in self-defence. OldPeace7068 (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Complete extrapolation. Police have said they believe he was on the run having committed a separate crime, nothing to do with Rittenhouse at all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is there to report the facts. Police and many members of the public initially considered the possibility of Islamic terrorism due to similar incidents in the past involving Muslims, the targeting of a western festival, and the recent rise in Islamic terrorist activity, but police have now confirmed that this is not terrorism related. Similarly, there have been widespread links/controversy made between the rapper and his connections to BLM, and it has been linked to Rittenhouse whether you like it or not. It is part of the story. The killer is a major supporter and activist of BLM. And this happened in the aftermath of Rittenhouse's acquittal. It's all part of the background and developing story. OldPeace7068 (talk) 09:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Not at all. The police have stated he was fleeing a separate scene. Conflating this with BLM/Rittenhouse is pure crystal balling. Thanks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  "two black men" and you'd think we were on a website about facts... CharredWaffle (talk) 14:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. Calling this an "attack" may be a misnomer as it appears that the suspect was fleeing the police, not that it was a preplanned attack or terrorism. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Maybe so. OTOH, at least one report quotes a witness as saying the vehicle seemed to be "targeting people" as it veered from side to side. Also, reports say it crashed through barriers to reach the parade, which seems to indicate that it was indeed an attack, though possibly not a pre-planned one. – Sca (talk) 16:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment The blurb should (and currently does not) mention the country in which this event took place. Chrisclear (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's not at all clear that this is an act of terrorism, and thus not something that would be imminently notable.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose both on merit and article quality. As of this comment, the incident does not appear to have been a deliberate attack. I would be open to reconsideration if contrary information comes to light. Also, at present the article is little more than an oversized stub. It's not ready for the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support ... pending expansion of article, which presently comprises a mere 250 words, i.e. a stub. Seems to be the No. 1 story on main RS sites today. Note 40+ injuries. (Please spare me the de rigueur "U.S.-centric" harangue. This event is unusual and widely covered.) – Sca (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Not sure this deserves to be on the main page and the article doesn't look very good. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment If the incident turns out not to be terrorist motivated, I honestly don't see it in Main Page, and if it's , with five dead, I 'mnot very clear, although the number of injured is dantesque. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • If this is confirmed as an unfortunate series of events with no purposeful motivating factor (driver escaping from knife fight and inadvertently ran through parade crowd), then I would agree this is not really something that should be posted. This doesn't mean motiveless events can't ever be posted but I would expect the results to be more devasting (like the various major building fires or collapses that we had). --Masem (t) 16:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
    • Exactly, I think the same Masem. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait – As an AP update seems to suggest this was the act of a lone nutcase with a record, I've withdrawn my provisonal support. However, it seems we're still in a wait situation, since nine of the injured are listed in critical condition. If the toll were to rise to double digits, we might still want to consider a blurb about this very nasty event. – Sca (talk) 18:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support if the motivation turns out to be terrorism, neutral if otherwise. Mlb96 (talk) 19:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  A post – by an IT user with no other contributions – on our article's talk page posits racial motivation. Seems highly dubious at this point, though. – Sca (talk) 19:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  See WP:RS. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Please see expanded comment above. Thanks. – Sca (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support. This event is in the news and the article looks to be in good shape. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: – Since perp's been ID'd & police say he'll face five counts of first-degree intentional homicide, this is looking potentially more significant. – Sca (talk) 20:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Per The Independent this guy had a domestic dispute, and drove his car like a lunatic. Not terror-related, just an idiot behind the wheel. Not significant, tragic, but will never make the top 1000 things that happened on Planet Earth in 2021, let alone the top 250. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support - a mass-casualty event, receiving international coverage (e.g., BBC), a suspect is being charged, and the article has been improved to sufficient quality. Levivich 20:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support - rare (even in the US) mass-casualty event. Article quality is decent. Destroyeraa (Alternate account) 20:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment a road traffic accident in the US is not rare. Mass-casualty events in the US are far from rare. It's pretty obvious that giving this tragic yet non-terrorist/non-BLM/non-protest/non-deliberate accident undue prominence is not what the encyclopedia was designed to do. Of course, you can dig into the BBC website and find coverage, it's all "shock and think of the children" in the US, but the rest of the world has moved on the moment it was clear it was a sad instance of a crime somewhere else having shitty side-effects, and literally nothing more. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
  • The last time I remember a similar incident happened in the US was late 2017 when somebody plowed into a crowd in Virginia after a violent demonstration got broken up. We posted the event that it was tangentially related to, largely on the strength of somebody plowing their car into a crowd and killing someone. You supported posting it. Rockphed (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

(Pulled) 2021 Bulgarian general election (presidential second round)

Article: 2021 Bulgarian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bulgaria, Rumen Radev (pictured) is re-elected President of Bulgaria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Rumen Radev (pictured) is re-elected President of Bulgaria.
News source(s): Reuters, Aljazzera, Politico
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Second round of the presidental election, ITNR (being part of the general elections), Radev has been declared winner with a landslide. BastianMAT (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Major election in an EU member state. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Question Do we post presidential elections even if the president has mostly symbolic roles? Scaramouche33 (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, heads of state elections are posted even if they are ceremonial/wield little power, it mostly depends on the article quality itself which should be more than sufficient. Two examples are the Italian presidental election and Czech presidental election, both having similar powers to the Bulgarian one. [1] [2] BastianMAT (talk) 09:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Weak support this article has been on front page for a week already, but I guess the second round presidency vote means that it's ITN eligible again. Article looks to have been sufficiently updated about the presidential second round vote. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• This is not ITNR. We no longer post all elections for head of state- we post the election/choosing of the official with actual executive power, according to List of current heads of state and government; in Bulgaria that is the PM, not the president. 331dot (talk) 12:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• In which case, I oppose this nomination, and it shouldn't have been tagged as ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• In fairness, it is a recent change that not everyone may be aware of. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I thought going by older posts that head of state elections are still part of ITNR but if its been removed, no problem and thanks for the headsup for future nominations. BastianMAT (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I just saw this now. I must have missed the change or forgot about it. So my comment on other presidents is not relevant here. --Tone 17:49, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, that’s what got me confused to when I ITNR nominated this. In the past as you and I mentioned, similar head of state elections (with similar powers) such as Moldova(November 2020), Germany, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic have been posted. 331dot said the removal of ceremonial head of state elections from ITNR were ’recently’ done, so the change must have not been too long ago for us to not know that.BastianMAT (talk) 18:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Blurb on MainPage was updated and moved up --PFHLai (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• PFHLai there wasn't consensus to do this update- the presidential election is not ITNR, and there was not consensus here that it's important enough for ITN. We should leave it where it is, so it can roll off soon, instead of moving it up so it'll stay on ITN for another week... Joseph2302 (talk) 13:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Post posting support If the election was stand-alone, we would probably post it. This is just the case where the general election were held together with the first round of presidential, so there is a single article. I don't see a problem. --Tone 14:56, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  I doubt we would post this as a standalone item. He may be head of state, but he has no power. It's the Prime Minister of Bulgaria who would be posted automatically.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  In fact he has been in de facto power since the 2021 April elections as he appointed his friend as acting prime minister. The de jure power he wields is similar to those in Italy and Czech Republic, where he gets to nominate the prime minister and supreme court judges, he can veto laws (although parliament can override) and he of course serves as head of state, don’t forget Bulgaria even has a vice president. In the past we have posted the Italian presidental and Czech Republic presidental elections, both are parliamantary republics too. I thought it was ITNR, but 331dot mentioned that head of state elections (where the head of state is not head of goverment) was recently removed from ITNR. Italian presidental election posted Czech Republic presidental election posted BastianMAT (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  (ec) As far as I remember we post both if the articles are ok. We've posted presidents of Austria and Germany, which have a similar role, for example. Furthermore, the president of Germany is elected by Bundestag, not by a popular vote. --Tone 17:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Pull update and Revert back to previous version per Joseph2302. This guy is just a figure head, and we already posted the main election result. There was no reason to have bumped this up, and the result is not ITN/R so needs consensus, which it doesn't have.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Pull update and agree with above, not seeing consensus here for this to have even been posted in the first instance. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Beyond the issue of whether it should be on the main page, the blurb is clumsy. "In Bulgaria," is redundant. Where else but in Bulgaria would you be elected President of Bulgaria? Schwede66 17:57, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Restored old blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 18:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose pull Not a head of state change but in the same spirit This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 19:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I think we need some kind of page break to restart voting. A lot of the opposition above was to the unilateral action and not the nom itself. as for me,

Oppose while there are some states with significant power invested in the secondary office, this is not one of them. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:55, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

November 21

Portal:Current events/2021 November 21

November 21, 2021 (2021-11-21) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2021 Jerusalem shooting A Hamas gunman opens fire in the alleyways of Jerusalem's Old City, killing an Israeli man and wounding three others, before being shot and killed by Israeli forces. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia, COVID-19 vaccination in Russia President Vladimir Putin receives his booster dose of the Sputnik Light COVID-19 vaccine. (The Hill) COVID-19 pandemic in Slovenia Slovenia surpasses 400,000 cases of COVID-19. (UrduPoint) COVID-19 pandemic in Guadeloupe, Social impact of the COVID-19 pandemic It is announced that France will deploy dozens of gendarmerie to Guadeloupe following occurrences of rioting and looting in the archipelago over COVID-19 measures. At least 31 people were arrested overnight. Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin says that "the first message is that the state will stand firm". (Al Jazeera) COVID-19 pandemic in Malaysia Malaysia surpasses 30,000 deaths from COVID-19. (Malay Mail) Law and crime Waukesha Christmas parade attack Five people are killed and over 40 injured by a hit and run driver who drove through an early Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin, United States. A person of interest is in custody. (ABC News) Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium Belgian police fire tear gas and water cannons after violence broke out at the end of a mass demonstration in Brussels that involved 35,000 people against tougher COVID-19-related measures. (The Independent) The Taliban issues new guidelines for television broadcasts, mandating that female presenters and journalists wear Islamic coverings, banning entertainment considered blasphemous or insulting to Afghans, and prohibiting films that promote foreign cultural values, among others. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2021 Chilean general election Chileans go to the polls to elect their new president, who will succeed outgoing president Sebastián Piñera. (Reuters) Far-right populist José Antonio Kast of the Republican Party and former student protest leader Gabriel Boric of the left-wing coalition Apruebo Dignidad qualify for the second round, after winning 27.94% and 25.75% of the vote respectively. The second round will take place on December 19. (Reuters) Aftermath of the October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état Abdalla Hamdok is reinstated as Prime Minister of Sudan following a political agreement with coup leader Abdel Fattah al-Burhan. (BBC News) Sports 2021 World Rally Championship Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia win the 2021 Championship, while Toyota secures the manufacturers' title.

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(Posted) Sudan political agreement

Article: Abdalla Hamdok (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) is reinstated as Prime Minister of Sudan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the aftermath of October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état, a political agreement is reached reinstating Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) as Prime Minister of Sudan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Abdalla Hamdok (pictured) is reinstated as Prime Minister of Sudan as part of a political agreement.
News source(s): Aljazzera, Reuters NYTimes DW News AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR, as it falls under "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election". Feel free to add another blurb if there is any better way to announce the reinstation. BastianMAT (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support However, I do think that the October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état should be mentioned in the blurb. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it's a major omission to not include it. Jim Michael (talk) 16:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright, I updated altblurb 1. Hope that works.BastianMAT (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support article looks okay, changes to head of state are ITNR. Joseph2302 ( with no details about the new agreementtalk) 20:06, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support a positive development, and certainly news after the coup. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment The PM is released, probably with his powers curtailed. There are parallels to the 1991 coup in Togo. Joofjoof (talk) 02:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2021 World Rally Championship

Article: 2021 World Rally Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In rallying, Sébastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia win the 2021 World Rally Championship, while Toyota secure the manufacturers' title. (Post)
News source(s): WRC.com, Autosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Congrats on their 8th world titles; will update asap. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support - it's a global prestige sporting championship and this article is very well presented and detailed. --PushingPace (talk) 15:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support article looks more than good enough, and event is ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

November 20

Portal:Current events/2021 November 20

November 20, 2021 (2021-11-20) (Saturday) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Hong Kong Hong Kong authorises the usage of the Sinovac CoronaVac vaccine for children between the ages of 3 and 17 years. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in Iraq Iraq receives 1.2 million doses of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine through the COVAX initiative. (AFP via Barron's) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines, COVID-19 community quarantines in the Philippines The Inter-Agency Task Force for the Management of Emerging Infectious Diseases (IATF) has fully implemented nationwide, the Alert Level System (ALS) formally replacing the previous community quarantine system that had been in place since March 2020. (Rappler) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium Belgium begins to implement mandatory face masks in indoor places and outdoor events. The country is also enforcing teleworking four days a week for all companies until 12 December. (The Brussels Times) COVID-19 pandemic in the Czech Republic The Czech Republic reports a record 22,936 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. (ABC News) Water crisis in Iran, 2016–2021 Iranian protests Thousands of people gather at the Khaju Bridge in Isfahan to protest the government's water and energy policies. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands Three people are seriously injured after being shot by police during protests against COVID-19 measures in Rotterdam, Netherlands. Fifty-one people are also arrested, half of whom are less than 18 years old. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2021 Malacca state election Barisan Nasional (BN) retains power, winning 21 out of 28 seats, defeating its rivals Pakatan Harapan (PH) and Perikatan Nasional (PN). (The Straits Times)

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(Posted) RD: David Longdon

Article: David Longdon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.loudersound.com/news/big-big-train-singer-david-longdon-dead-at-56
Credits:

• Nominated by Floydian (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Multi-instrumentalist and singer of British progressive rock band Big Big Train Pretty low key name, so article is pretty short. Floydian ^τ _¢ 16:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose more reliable sources needed. The entire Discography section is sourced to Discogs, which according to our article on it is a crowdsourced database i.e. not a RS. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

  Although I find it odd that we can reference a book but not a CD gatefold, I've found sources for the entire discography and added them. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 22:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

November 19

Portal:Current events/2021 November 19

November 19, 2021 (2021-11-19) (Friday) Disasters and accidents November 2021 Pacific Northwest floods The provincial government of British Columbia, Canada, declares a state of emergency in response to ongoing risks from floods and mudslides. Effective immediately until December 1, citizens in affected regions, including the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island, are limited to 30 litres of diesel and gasoline purchased at fuel stations. Vehicles used for essential services, such as emergency response, commercial transport, and public transit, are exempt from this order and granted unlimited access to cardlock gas stations ordinarily used by the commercial trucking industry. Price gouging at retail gas stations and the resale of fuel is prohibited. Restrictions on non-essential travel along damaged highways are also set in place. (Global News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austrian chancellor Alexander Schallenberg announces a full nationwide lockdown for the entire population starting on 22 November, amid a surge in new COVID-19 cases that has overwhelmed hospitals. Schallenberg also announces that COVID-19 vaccinations will become mandatory as of 1 February 2022. (The Independent) Austria reports a record for the second consecutive day of 15,809 new cases of COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1,027,274. (Kronen Zeitung) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany The southern German state of Bavaria cancels all Christmas markets and imposes a lockdown in all districts that have a seven-day incidence rate of over 1,000 per 100,000 people amid a substantial increase in the number of new COVID-19 cases. However, schools and kindergartens will continue to remain open. (Deutsche Welle) COVID-19 pandemic in Hungary Hungary reports a record 11,289 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 998,488. (Budapest Business Journal) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the third consecutive day of 1,254 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 261,589. (Interfax) COVID-19 pandemic in North America COVID-19 pandemic in Canada, COVID-19 vaccination in Canada Health Canada approves the usage of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for children between the ages of 5 and 11 years. (Global News) COVID-19 pandemic in Grenada Argentina officially announces that it will donate 11,000 doses of the Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to Grenada. (Memo) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, COVID-19 vaccination in the United States The U.S. CDC authorizes the booster dose of either Pfizer or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for the general public, which means that all adults are eligible to receive their booster dose. (CNBC) COVID-19 pandemic in Australia COVID-19 pandemic in Victoria Restrictions are further eased for fully vaccinated Victorians as 90% of adults are now fully vaccinated. Mask wearing is still required in some indoor spaces and limits remain on daily visitor numbers to care facilities. Additionally, unvaccinated people continue to be banned from entering all non-essential businesses and also from employment in many industries. (The Guardian) International relations Palestine–United Kingdom relations, Israel-United Kingdom relations The United Kingdom outlaws Hamas, the Palestinian militant group which serves as the ruling party of the Gaza Strip, and declares the party as a terrorist group. Previously, only the party's armed wing was outlawed. (Reuters) Law and crime Kenosha unrest shooting Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot three people during the unrest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, United States, in August 2020, is found not guilty on all counts. (NPR) Hundreds of people march in Chicago, New York City and Portland to protest the verdict of the trial. (WCBS-TV) (WBBM-TV) (ABC News) Politics and elections Vice Presidency of Kamala Harris While U.S. President Joe Biden undergoes medical treatment, U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris is transferred presidential power for a short period of time, making her the first female acting president of the United States. (Forbes) Iraqi Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr announces that he is dissolving the Promised Day Brigade, the armed faction loyal to him. Yesterday, al-Sadr said that non-governmental militias should hand in their weapons. (Reuters)

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(Closed) Disappearance of Peng Shuai

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Article: Peng Shuai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai disappears after accusing a former Chinese Vice Premier of sexual assault. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Chinese tennis player Peng Shuai is reported missing after accusing former Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli of sexual assault.
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Blythwood (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Seems to be a forced disappearance. This is a bit unusual, but has been a major news story. Disappearance section seems solid but the rest of the article on her career is less well sourced. The person has disappeared without a trace, so while it cannot be verified that this person person has died or been imprisoned, her disappearance is in itself the notable event. I wonder if this could be treated as something like the equivalent of a recent death. Blythwood (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support - Article is in good condition and the news is prominent, exceptional, and of great public interest around the world. Jehochman ^Talk 22:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Article appear in news, but headlines on CBC, CNN, BBC are still focused on Rittenhouse Trial for now, although this may change. Otherwise, the blurb should describe whats happening now (the reactions), that she has not been publicly heard is not ITN as that is a few days old. 99.247.176.90 (talk) 23:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - I fail to see how this is any more worthy of ITN than the Rittenhouse trial, which was also not worthy of ITN. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Please don't oppose because you think another nomination should be posted and you don't think this one is as worthy. Judge nomination on its own merit. The two are about completely different things. -- KTC (talk) 23:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  I don't think either are worthy of being posted. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support per Jehochman. However I'm not quite sure about the term "disappears" here, even if I personally think the Chinese state did exactly that. -- KTC (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support per Jehochman. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support this is far more notable than "another white American kills black Americans" and regardless of the fact that headlines are currently obsessing over the US proclivity to allow kids to routinely assassinate people without any kind of criminal conviction, Peng's disappearance is genuinely newsworthy and encyclopedic. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Not that it matters to this nomination, but Rittenhouse's victims were white. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:04, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

  *cough cough* Rittenhouse's victims were white *cough cough* – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

  Who said he wasn't talking about Young Dolph's routine assassin? We don't know he wasn't white. We don't know if he had other black American victims. Memphis is all about unsolved mysteries! AGF. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality The article needs a lot of work, as there are multiple sections with no inline citations.Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support While this might be unduly implicative of the Chinese state being connected, if RSs are making that connection this definitely belongs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality I would support this if the article has some ref work done. There's sections that are unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:34, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose this is newsworthy for sure but blurbing that someone "disappeared" after making an accusation seems like a WP:BLPCRIME issue to me. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:39, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Completely agree it's an awkward thing to summarise in a way that fits BLP while keeping it clear why the event is notable, I'd welcome suggestions for alternative phrasing. I realise this is a fairly limited action, but for that reason I deliberately didn't link to the person she accused in the proposed blurb. Blythwood (talk) 01:57, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as per LaserLegs, there's something wrong about posting speculation that someone disappeared straight after they made accusations. With little reliable information, this seems like a BLP issue to post it. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Far too speculative, with overtones of anti-China sentiment, and with too many unknowns. Needs far more clarification before it is posted. And a guarantee that ITN will publish a full We Were Wrong! statement and retraction on the Main page when it is found out she has just eloped with her boyfriend or girlfriend, as the case may be. HiLo48 (talk) 01:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Clearly if China "disappeared" her, that would be a story, but this appears to be Western nations making a demand of China and there's no hard evidence she has been killed or imprisoned or the like. We don't post this type of speculative stories. --Masem (t) 02:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Per wide coverage in RSes. Normchou ^💬 03:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose unless the incident has a separate article. Sun8908 _Talk 07:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support — article looks decent enough for ITN standards by my eye, wide coverage in RSes. If the choice of "disappears" is undesirable, then "is reported missing" might be a potential alternative (posted as altblurb). [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 08:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

  I think that suggests she was reported missing in the police report sense, not that Novak Djokovic described her as "a missing person" to reporters. Not a bad idea. Just a bit ambiguous. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Strong support, in the news, top page news in many countries. The issue is she has suddenly disappeared after accusing a senior cabinet minister of a serious crime, and the involved parties are public figures indept of this incident, so there is nothing wrong as long as it is sourced and not stated as truth. Peng's disappearance and the resulting sports diplomacy pressure and boycott threats are sufficient Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Have you ever studied the difference between correlation and causation? HiLo48 (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes I have and I wonder if it's possible to have a maths competition over Wikipedia lol. I never said there was a causation, although I am sure many on Wikipedia have noted your hard-left POV eg trying to get all right of centre Australian newspapers struck off at RSN. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Applause. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:33, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• • I am adding sources to the career section Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Masem, Joseph2302. Something that may have happened isn't blurbworthy, no matter how widely it's hyped. – Sca (talk) 13:05, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem, Sca. It could be the start of something noteworthy, or it could be nothing. We can post when it turns out to be something noteworthy if it does. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Do we post news around here anymore? Sometimes I do wonder.--WaltCip-(talk) 18:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support highly notable, good article. Polyamorph (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support per above. The article has unref'd sections about her tennis career, but the linked section is ready. Davey2116 (talk) 21:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. We shouldn't (and don't) post articles with multiple unsourced sections. The fact that the section linked in bold is referenced is irrelevant. Black Kite (talk) 23:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait Let's wait until we are 100% sure what has happened to her. Heythereimaguy (talk) 23:53, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Global Times continues to point to her, this time at a restaurant with a coach and friends, seemingly quite visible. Western speculation now turns to whether she's safe, though, or free from external interference or to be believed. All very personal and hard-to-answer questions, for anybody anywhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose it's just one person in a world where much worse things happen in other places like Ethiopia. Banedon (talk) 01:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Videos of Peng Shuai have supposedly surfaced. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 03:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support However, I propose removing the term 'Chinese' in front of Peng Shuai. It does not add to her character or her identity as a professional tennis player. Something along the lines of "Professional tennis player Peng Shuai disappears after accusing former Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli of sexual assault." would be better imo. However, we should also note the videos posted by Global Times editors (primarily those tweeted by editor-in-chief Hu Xijin) and their aftermath. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – She's reappeared, online at least. End of story? – Sca (talk) 13:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Strong support Wide coverage by RSes and notable. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

  Still too murky and speculative, with little general impact. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Leaving aside anything else, there is video evidence of her out and about so she hasn't been "disappeared" and isn't "missing". Whether or not something else is happening is in the realm of speculation, and would require a separate blurb. Also, very large swathes of the article on her career lack even a single citation. Is it not time to close this as no consensus already?

  Preceding posted by User:BSMRD – Sca (talk) 17:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: – Discussion tops 1,500 words. Posts running 4:3 against. – Sca (talk) 17:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment as nominator I'm willing to close soon now there's video of her alive (barring any big development, like it rapidly emerging this is an impersonator). Someone being in big trouble with their government isn't ITN-worthy, although I still think someone being forced-disappeared could be. Blythwood (talk) 19:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) Kyle Rittenhouse verdict

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Articles: Kenosha unrest shooting (talk · history · tag) and Shooting of Jacob Blake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After shooting three people and killing two amidst protests surrounding the Shooting of Jacob Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse is found not guilty on all charges. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ending to a major news story/court case. Andise1 (talk) 18:46, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support article is comprehensive, updated, and well-referenced. A few WP:PROSELINE-issues, but not enough to downgrade the quality too much. Topic has been, and is being covered extensively by quality, reliable news sources in a way that would indicate this is a significant story. Checks all of the boxes for me. --Jayron32 18:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose to international notability. It won’t be listed on 2021 per previous discussions of it not having international notability. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Elijahandskip, #Please do not... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  (edit conflict):*See the instructions above "Please do not...oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." "International notability" is not a criteria for posting at ITN, nor has it ever been. --Jayron32 19:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Well my direct opinion is that it is not notable. My reasoning is the discussion that already took place on the 2021 talk page. I also have previous discussions months ago where things highly notable to one country aren’t included. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• This is not a discussion of the page 2021. The criteria established for other parts of Wikipedia don't apply here. If you wish to change the criteria used for the ITN box, then start a discussion at WT:ITN. Votes without valid rationales are given little weight. It's fine if you have a useful rationale, but merely "I don't think it's notable enough" does not provide any useful guidance to admins when deciding consensus. I mean, you're allowed to say any silly thing you want, I suppose, but you can't expect anyone to take you seriously if it isn't valid. --Jayron32 19:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Well since you don’t like my reasoning, just let me say “no”. People have supported ITN’s in the past without giving a reason, so my “Oppose” in this case will not have a reason. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:22, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

As I said, it's a free world. People do nonsensical things all of the time. --Jayron32 19:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep, I couldn’t agree more. In reality, my oppose on this comes more to combat American Wikipedia vs English Wikipedia. There is a essay on Wikipedia that I recently read that has that meaning. Not everything that happens in America is notable for Wikipedia/2021/ITN/Portal Current Events, etc….Elijahandskip (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose (at least on news of just the verdict). It was a highly watched case in the U.S., but it was clear early on to many legal experts that are crying foul on judicial behavior. It is very very likely to see an appeal and so this is not the end. This is not like the result from the very public George Floyd protests (which we posted and had ongoing about those, and the verdict). That said, there had been concerns there may be rioting following an acquittal , and while I'm not seeing any immediate news on that, a major riot (akin to the LA riots after King's verdict) would likely be the newsworthy factor here. --Masem (t) 19:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  There literally cannot be any appeal of a not guilty verdict. This is a core principle of how double jeopardy is handled in American jurisprudence. A not guilty jury verdict is basically always final. See [3]. There are some exceedingly rare exceptions to this, but none of them would apply in this case. An ordinary jury verdict of "not guilty" like this one (even in a controversial trial) is treated as basically sacrosanct, and there can be no appeals by the government. --Jayron32 19:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Except for the calls for a mistrial that are being entered now. I know there's complexities with double jeopardy there, but that's still on the books and that itself can be a legal process. --Masem (t) 19:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Um, what? There were calls for a mistrial by Rittenhouse's defense team prior to the jury verdict coming back. Now that the verdict is in their client's favor, I doubt highly they will press forward with these requests. Indeed, articles such as this one note "The verdict also meant that Judge Bruce Schroeder did not have to rule on the defense's motions for a mistrial." --Jayron32 19:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as above. If we had to have an American court psychodrama today, the better option from a world-historical perspective would probably be the acquittal of the purported killers of Malcolm X. —Brigade Piron (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose AGF, but this is such a small story in the grand scheme. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait. It is too early to tell what impact this will have. It could be a Rodney King-like result where acquittal of the accused leads to broad social unrest, or it could pass with a shrug. I expect that we will know within 24 hours. BD2412 T 19:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and close US-centric nomination, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose and renominate once the riots get into full swing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Far from blurb-worthy, lack of deep international coverage and interest. U.S-centric. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Very US centric. It's probably not even the most important news in the US right now, let alone the world. I agree with Piron above that the clearing of Malcom X's killers is more noteworthy in the grand scheme. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It is the most important US news event ongoing right now. Every major US news outlet is covering the story and many have been broadcasting portions of the trial for the past several days.XavierGreen (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support certainty an extremely notable event.XavierGreen (talk) 20:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Actually not even sure this is going to be more than a couple days' news in the US. —valereee (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Trial of a decade, widely reported across the world. Even my local news station in Russia reported on the topic. The only reason this is leaning oppose is because the verdict contradicts the biases of the local editors. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 21:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Feels like there's a "Trial of the Decade" going on every other year lately... DarkSide830 (talk) 21:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Edgardo Labella

Article: Edgardo Labella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cebu Daily News
Credits:

• Nominated by ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk · give credit)
• Created by Emperork (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jollibinay (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Mayor of Cebu City. Article looks decent but could warrant some improvements ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support Seems ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 15:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest

Article: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India announces the repeal of 3 farm laws which led to mass protests. (Post)
News source(s): AP, WSJ
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dracophyllum (talk · give credit) and DiplomatTesterMan (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This article was previously in ongoing, now has a noteworthy update which should bring it towards conclusion. - Indefensible (talk) 06:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: One of the major farmers' unions behind the protests, Bharatiya Kisan Union, has promised to continue protesting till the laws are actually repealed (source). I wonder if we should put this blurb up now, or when Parliament repeals them and the farmers go home (don't have strong opinions either way, but I lean towards waiting). If we're going to put it up now, I've uploaded this screengrab of Modi's announcement from his CC-BY YouTube channel; we could use it. Btw Indefensible - Dracophyllum was the only updater, not DiplomatTesterMan. Kind regards, W. Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_c) 07:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Using the update to put back in ongoing instead of a final blurb would be fine too if preferable. And DiplomatTesterMan did more updates on the article before that, he still deserves some credit too I think. - Indefensible (talk) 07:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose because the article is not sufficiently updated. There is currently a 1 sentence mention in the lead of the repeal of the laws, and no mention of it, nor of any follow-on protests, anywhere in the body of the article. Before this can be posted, the latest developments would need to be added to the article appropriately. --Jayron32 12:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  @Jayron32 Have you read the repeal section? Dracophyllum 20:10, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

  Your response is 8 hours after Jayron32's, Dracophyllum. The section may have not existed when Jayron commented. But then again, I am not going to take the time to check if it did exist at 12:18 PM UTC on 19 Nov 2021. Tube·of·Light 02:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: The announcement by itself has no legal value. Parliament has to repeal the laws, which it will probably do in the coming Winter Session. Also some farmer's unions are continuing protests until the laws are repealed and minimum support prices reconsidered. So it might be better to wait, but no strong opinion either way. --Jose Mathew (talk) 12:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait and see what the impact of this is. Right now, there isn't enough information on what will happen as a result of this. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose --LaserLegs (talk) 22:54, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• to international notability. It won’t be listed on 2021 per previous discussions of it not having international notability.
• India-centric nomination, not important enough for ITN
• and renominate once the riots get into full swing.
• per above. Far from blurb-worthy, lack of deep international coverage and interest. India-centric
• Very India centric. It's probably not even the most important news in India right now, let alone the world.
• Actually not even sure this is going to be more than a couple days' news in India

"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It's important to remember that 1/7 of the people on this planet are Indians. We don’t post a great deal of India related stories. 331dot (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Interestingly I didn't see the same PDM feedback from you above for another "country-centric" nomination from the worlds third most populous country. In fact, we do post many India-centric stories here, this one having festered in ongoing for nearly a year. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Invariably it is announcements that get more attention than the actual act, most of the time(we post elections when the result is known, not when the results are official/certified). If Modi renegs, that will likely be newsworthy itself. 331dot (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Weak oppose - as Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI says, the BKU is still protesting. I would prefer waiting till the laws are actually repealed (and FWIW, these laws are being repealed just before the 2022 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly elections and elections in some other states, which are crucial for Modi's political party). Tube·of·Light 02:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – On article quality – and as others have noted because the laws haven't taken effect. The article, at more than 10,000 words, is grossly overwritten, overblown and overweight – presumably by partisans who view the topic as a cause célèbre that calls for a crusade. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) November 2021 lunar eclipse

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Article: November 2021 lunar eclipse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The longest partial lunar eclipse in 580 years occurs. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NBC News, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: We don't usually post lunar eclipses but this one has gotten more RS coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 04:32, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Oppose – I didn't see it. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2021 (UTC) ...  ;-)

Yeah. We always seem to post eclipses well after they conclude, with the snarky undertone of "and, ha ha ha, you missed it!". —Cryptic 13:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Why THIS MUCH INDENT? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:53, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality the visibility section is two unsourced paragraphs, would need a lot more sourced information about the event (rather than just an endless list of "Related eclipses"). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we post lunar eclipses, and as Cryptic noted posting them after they're over seems very useless to readers. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Maybe we'll post the next one in 500+ years. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose lunar eclipses are even less interesting than manned spaceflights. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:41, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

You're forgetting that lunar eclipses often presage globally cataclysmic events, such as permanent cancellation of The Boat Race, which I fear may now be in the offing for 2022. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Of course, lunar eclipses and the Boat Race are entirely unrelated. And of course, there will be no "permanent cancellation of The Boat Race", that's total bollocks, but perhaps inline with your regular contributions. As you perhaps should know already, The Boat Race 2022 is scheduled for next year, and if COVID stymies it, one imagines it will simply be moved to the River Great Ouse once again. I'm unclear as to where you think that a lunar eclipse would be a portent for the permanent cancellation of an event which has been conducted since 1829, even before the Third Reich failed to play nicely. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:56, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Ease up, Ramblo, it was a joke. (And BTW, the Third Reich and this topic are entirely unrelated.) – Sca (talk) 18:26, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, and this topic and the Boat Race are completely unrelated. And it wasn't funny in any sense. So explain yourself. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support, this lunar eclipse has gotten significant news coverage. Both visibility paragraphs each have a single reference at the end. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:01, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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November 18

Portal:Current events/2021 November 18

November 18, 2021 (2021-11-18) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Aftermath of the October 2021 Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan protests Saad Hussain Rizvi, the leader of the far-right Islamist party Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan, is released from prison under a deal to end weeks of protests by his followers, which resulted in the deaths of dozens of people. (Reuters) Arts and culture 22nd Annual Latin Grammy Awards The 22nd Annual Latin Grammy Awards are held at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Colombian singer Camilo was the most awarded artist with four wins. (Billboard) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Germany COVID-19 vaccination in Germany The Standing Committee on Vaccination recommends that a booster dose of an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine should be given to all adults over the age of 18 years. (Deutsche Welle) Germany reports a record for the second consecutive day of 65,371 new cases of COVID-19. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austria reports a record 15,145 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 1,011,465. (Kronen Zeitung) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announces that beginning on November 22, unvaccinated people will be banned from entering all indoor venues for which they could previously present a negative test result, due to an increase in new COVID-19 cases. Mitsotakis also announces that vaccine passports will expire after seven months for people over the age of 60 years and urges people in this age group to receive a booster dose. (Greek Reporter) COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands The Netherlands reports a record for the fourth consecutive day of 23,860 new cases of COVID-19. (Dutch News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record for the second consecutive day of 1,251 deaths from COVID-19, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 260,335. (The Moscow Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in Laos Laos reports a record 1,041 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 58,798. (Vietnam Plus) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea South Korea reports a record 3,292 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 406,605. (The Korea Herald) A lab in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, United States, is placed on temporary lockdown by the CDC after several vials labeled "smallpox" are discovered in a freezer. (CBS News) International relations 2021 Belarus–European Union border crisis Belarus suspends electricity supplies to Ukraine, in "accordance with the established procedure for interaction within the framework of contractual relations", according to a statement from the Belarusian Ministry of Energy. (Ukranews) Law and crime At the Birmingham Crown Court in England, Zephaniah McLeod is sentenced to at least 21 years imprisonment for manslaughter and four counts of attempted murder after killing one person and wounding seven others during a 90-minute stabbing spree in September 2020. (BBC News) The New York Supreme Court vacates the convictions of Muhammad Abdul Aziz (formerly Norman 3X Butler) and the late Khalil Islam (formerly Thomas 15X Johnson) for the 1965 assassination of Malcolm X. The two men were convicted alongside Thomas Hagan (formerly Talmadge Hayer) in 1966. An investigation led by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. discovered that the FBI and the NYPD had withheld evidence that would have acquitted Aziz and Islam. (The New York Times) Vladimiro Montesinos, adviser to former Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori, is sentenced to 17-years in prison for the kidnapping of left-wing journalist Gustavo Gorriti. (MercoPress) Politics and elections 2021 Tongan general election Tongans go to the polls to elect their new government. (RNZ)

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RD: Peter Buck (restaurateur)

Article: Peter Buck (restaurateur) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Independent
Credits:

• Updated by 73.249.114.115 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American nuclear physicist and co-founder of the Subway fast-food restaurant chain. --PFHLai (talk) 02:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

RD: Jimmie Durham

Article: Jimmie Durham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk · give credit)
• Created by Infoart (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sculptor, essayist and poet. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs more citations. Spencer^T•C 21:44, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

November 17

Portal:Current events/2021 November 17

November 17, 2021 (2021-11-17) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Aftermath of the October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état Soldiers open fire on civilians in Khartoum, Sudan, protesting against last month's coup d'état, killing 14 people and injuring dozens more. This brings the total death toll of civilians killed during the protests to 38. (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in the Maghreb The death toll from the attack at a military post in Inata, Soum Province, Burkina Faso, three days ago, increases to 53, including 49 gendarmes and four civilians. (Al Jazeera) 2021 Belarus–European Union border crisis; Estonia–Russia barrier Estonia summons 1,700 reservists for a snap drill, which will include installing a 40-kilometer-long razor wire barrier along the border with Russia as the migrant crisis with Belarus intensifies. (Reuters) Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Seven people are killed and 10 others are injured after clashes between Azerbaijan and Armenia. (AP) Disasters and accidents November 2021 Pacific Northwest floods The Canadian government sends the Air Force to the Pacific coast to assist with supplies after torrential rains affected regions of British Columbia near Vancouver, causing damage to highways. Minister of Emergency Preparedness Bill Blair says that landslides and floods have blocked the town of Agassiz and residents are now being assisted by the military. (Al Jazeera) A Royal Air Force F-35 Lightning II jet crashes into the Mediterranean Sea during a routine operation. The pilot successfully ejects from the aircraft and has been rescued. (The Guardian) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom COVID-19 pandemic in Northern Ireland The Northern Ireland Executive votes to introduce a COVID-19 vaccine passport beginning next month, which will contain a person's vaccination status or negative COVID-19 test result, and will be used to enter bars, restaurants and pubs. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Austria Austria reports a record 14,416 new COVID-19 cases in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide total of confirmed cases to 996,320. (ORF) COVID-19 pandemic in Germany Germany reports a record 52,826 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia Russia reports a record 1,247 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 259,084. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain, COVID-19 vaccination in Spain Spain’s panel of vaccine experts approves the extension of the COVID-19 vaccine booster dose to people between the ages of 60 and 69 and healthcare workers. (The Washington Post) COVID-19 pandemic in Argentina COVID-19 vaccination in Argentina Argentina receives a shipment of 800,000 doses of the Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccine. (Ámbito) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Food and Drug Administration of the Philippines authorises emergency use of the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine, which will be included in the national vaccination program. (Philippine Daily Inquirer) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 vaccination in the United States White House COVID-19 Response Coordinator Jeff Zients announces that 80% of people aged 12 and older have received their first doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. (USA Today) (WNCN-TV) Law and crime American rapper Young Dolph is shot and killed at a bakery in Memphis, Tennessee, by an unidentified gunman. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Former President of Georgia Mikheil Saakashvili, who has been on a hunger strike for 48 days, is in critical condition. Yesterday, Justice Minister Rati Bregadze denied Saakashvili transfer to a civilian clinic, from a prison hospital where he is being treated. (France 24)

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(Posted) RD: Jay Last

Article: Jay Last (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF Gate, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Deejoe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American physicist and silicon valley pioneer. Death announced on this date. Ktin (talk) 19:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support Thorough depth of coverage, referenced. Spencer^T•C 20:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Convicted assassins of Malcolm X exonerated

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Article: Assassination of Malcolm X (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Manhattan District Attorney announces that two men convicted in the assassination of Malcolm X will be exonerated. (Post)
News source(s): Southall, Ashley; Bromwich, Jonah E. (17 November 2021). "2 Men Convicted of Killing Malcolm X Will Be Exonerated After 55 Years". New York Times. Retrieved 17 November 2021., Moghe, Sonia; Sanchez, Ray (November 17, 2021). "New York Times: Two men convicted of killing Malcolm X to be exonerated". CNN.
Credits:

• Nominated by BD2412 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Smallbones (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 BD2412 T 21:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose this is DYK material. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  Good thing this article is DYK eligible. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  It is, but how often are those convicted in a major assassination exonerated? The assassination itself, of course, would have been ITN-worthy, as would the convictions of the accused. To me, this is on the same level. BD2412 T 21:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  Just remembered it won't make DYK as much of the content was copy/pasted from the main article, and it's not 5x from that. ITN it is! – Muboshgu (talk) 21:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  It was also created nine months ago so any expansion at that time is far too old; you could conceivably get it through DYK if it passes as a Good Article though. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  It was just moved to mainspace. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Not only would this by DYK material, it's not even eligible per Muboshgu. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose – Retroactive. Lacks current significance. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. Malcolm X is still dead. The two who are being exonerated are not independently notable and were released decades ago, so the actual impact is minimal. Modest Genius ^talk 13:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support This is receiving a fair amount of coverage (main headline in the NYT and Daily News) and it looks like a decent article, just one cite tag that I can see.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose While likely an important move for proper justice, not really that significant in the long run. --Masem (t) 14:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support. If it was found that John Wilkes Booth did not assassinate Lincoln, or that Lee Harvey Oswald did not assassinate JFK, it would be posted, and I don't see how this is different. The history books are not often changed in such a manner. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

  Those two examples were incomparably more significant, as both victims were heads of state. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

  Malcolm X was not a head of state but he was highly influential in the cause of civil rights. The point is that history is not often corrected as it was here. 331dot (talk) 16:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – per Modest Genius. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Young Dolph

Article: Young Dolph (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5], The Guardian, CNN, The New York Times, Fox News
Credits:

• Nominated by ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk · give credit)
• Created by Christopher Boyd Jr (talk · give credit)
• Updated by WMrapids (talk · give credit) and Spencer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American rapper. Article appears to be in good shape. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose most of the prose is text version of the releases of each piece of music, not much meaningful prose, especially for such a young death which one imagines isn't coincidental to his line of work. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  • The Rambling Man I have since added more detail to the article, would you take another look? Thanks, Spencer^T•C 23:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Have added more info about his life and career. Spencer^T•C 23:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Death covered by many notable and reliable sources. Article seems to be improved as well.--WMrapids (talk) 00:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) November 2021 Pacific Northwest floods

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Article: November 2021 Pacific Northwest floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A series of floods in British Columbia and Washington leaves at least five dead and thousands in B.C. without electricity. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News, CNN, CTV News, AP, BBC, Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/pacific-north-west-floods-storm-british-columbia-washington-state
Credits:

• Nominated by Cyrobyte (talk · give credit)
• Created by Canuck85 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: B.C. Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure called the storm "unpresedented" Cyrobyte (talk) 19:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose – Not ITN Worthy ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 19:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose With one dead this is clearly not ITN-worthy and not notable. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:56, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose no internet for a handful of people? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:08, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Weak Support in addition the flooding, given Canada's geography now cuts off Vancouver by land from the rest of Canada.[6] CaffeinAddict (talk) 20:24, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  Vancouver is floating apart? Where will it end up? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

In China, of course. It's the trend these days. – Sca (talk) 23:19, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose not important enough for ITN. If it wasn't in North America, something this unimportant wouldn't have even been nominated. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:40, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Perhaps the blurb can mention the evacuation of thousands of residents and the destruction of infrastructure. Power outage and a small death toll won't cut it. --PFHLai (talk) 22:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - this is quite a significant event in Canada, with reports that it could become the most expensive natural disaster in Canadian history [7], the death toll is expected to rise, along with wide ranging effects on supply chains and transportation networks. If I recall correctly, I think we did post the 2013 Alberta floods, for precedent. Connormah (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  I guess "could be" is key here. If it does become the most expensive natural disaster after electing Trudeau in the history of Canada, then it's well placed for a blurb. Maybe now is premature. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Wait Living through this, it's a pretty devastating disaster, with all road access cut off to and from the Port of Vancouver, which is having a major impact on supply chains across Western Canada. But I don't think this meets the standard previously set for ITN just yet, although there are reports that the death toll is expected to rise. There's also reports of an imminent dike breach into a large city. As such, I'd suggest that we wait. NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:51, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Lots of damage & dislocation but so far only one fatal. – Sca (talk) 23:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait If this gets worse and deadlier, then I will support. Heythereimaguy (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Wait per NorthernFalcon & Sca. Modest Genius ^talk 13:16, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I would further comment that given Port of Vancouver is affected (the fourth largest port in North America by volume of goods) the supply chain issues are pretty notable. [8] CaffeinAddict (talk) 23:11, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Yes, just “affected” the fourth in North America. Not America. Not even in the world. Let's not overestimate it. Storms are storms, and it happen...a lot of things. International impact is very low. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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November 16

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November 16, 2021 (2021-11-16) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in the Maghreb 2021 Niger attacks Gunmen raid the camp of a self-defence militia in the village of Bakorat, Niger, killing 25 people. (Reuters) 2021 Uganda bombings Three suicide bombers blow themselves up near a police station and the entrance of the Parliament in Kampala, killing three people and injuring 33 others. The Islamic State claims responsibility for the attacks. (Reuters) 2021 Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Fifteen Armenian soldiers are killed and twelve more are captured by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces during border clashes, amid mutual recriminations before a Russian-brokered ceasefire is agreed at 19:00 local time. (JAMnews) Business and economy Gas prices for the United Kingdom and the European Union increase by 17% after the German energy regulator suspends the approval of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany. The regulator says that the pipeline needs to comply with German law before they can certify the €10 billion project. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte orders the lifting of the mandate to use face shields in areas under Alert 3 and lower levels, which includes the National Capital Region. However, face shields will continue to be used in areas under Alert level 5 and areas under granular lockdown. (Philippine Daily Inquirer) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea South Korea reports a new single-day record of 495 critical cases of COVID-19. (Yonhap News Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Russia, COVID-19 drug development Russia authorizes Pfizer to conduct clinical trials for its experimental COVID-19 drug named Paxlovid, which will continue until March 2023. (The Hill) COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine Ukraine reports a record 838 deaths from COVID-19 in the past 24 hours, thereby bringing the nationwide death toll to 77,895. (Anadolu Agency) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand reports a record 222 new cases of COVID-19 in the past 24 hours. (New Zealand Herald) Deployment of COVID-19 vaccines The number of Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine doses supplied worldwide surpasses two billion. (Medical Xpress) COVID-19 drug development Pfizer and the Medicines Patent Pool sign a global licensing agreement that will allow Pfizer's experimental COVID-19 oral drug Paxlovid to be manufactured under a royalty-free license in 95 low and middle-income countries. (The Wall Street Journal) 2020–21 H5N8 outbreak Japan reports an outbreak of the H5N8 bird flu strain at a farm with about 11,000 egg-laying chickens in Izumi, Kagoshima Prefecture. (Reuters) A peer-reviewed study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine announces that an Argentinian woman has allegedly been "functionally cured" of HIV by her own immune system. If confirmed, the woman would be only the second individual in history whose own immune system successfully destroyed the disease without any form of stem-cell transplantation. (USA Today) Maryland reports their first case of monkeypox in a resident who traveled from Nigeria. (WJZ-TV) International relations 2021 Belarus–European Union border crisis Migrants at a temporarily closed checkpoint in Kuźnica, Poland, throw stones at Polish border guards, while attempting to destroy the border fence in order to break through the Belarus–Poland border. The guards respond with water cannons and tear gas in an attempt to disperse the mob. The Polish ministry accuses the Belarusian military of aiding the attacks along Poland's borders. (BBC News) Russo-Ukrainian War British Prime Minister Boris Johnson states that the west will have to choose between reliance on Russian gas and supporting Ukraine amid reported buildups of the Russian military near the border with Ukraine. (The Guardian) Belarus–European Union relations Researchers at the American cybersecurity firm Mandiant report that the Belarusian government has ties to the hacker group Ghostwriter, which was accused of targeting various German politicians and ministries in September and has since been accused of launching misinformation campaigns against Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Ukraine. (RFE/RL) Law and crime The Mexican Secretariat of National Defense announces that Rosalinda González Valencia, the wife of Jalisco New Generation Cartel leader Nemesio Oseguera "El Mencho" Cervantes, is re-arrested. González was previously detained in 2018 for allegedly running the finances of the cartel, but was released on bail. (BBC News) According to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, nearly 1,000 hate crimes against Europe’s Christians were recorded in 2020. The organization documented 980 incidents against Christians, including arson attacks on Catholic churches, desecration and robbery of Eucharistic hosts, assaults on priests, and anti-Catholic graffiti on Church property by abortion activists. (Catholic News Agency) Politics and elections Politics of Monaco Princess Charlene of Monaco cancels all upcoming activities, including those of Monaco's national celebrations, due to ill health, according to a statement from the royal palace. The Princess is said to be suffering from "deep fatigue". (Reuters) Pandora Papers The impeachment against Chilean President Sebastián Piñera is defeated in the Senate, after the motion fails to meet the minimum two-thirds threshold in a vote. (Bloomberg) Science and technology Moons of Saturn A new moon of Saturn, S/2019 S 1, is announced, bringing the total number of known moons to 83. (Minor Planet Center)

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(Posted) Kosmos 1408

Articles: Anti-satellite weapon (talk · history · tag) and Kosmos 1408 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia shoots down Kosmos 1408 with an anti-satellite weapon creating dangerous space debris. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russia shoots down Kosmos 1408 with an anti-satellite weapon, creating a field of space debris.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Kosmos 1408 is destroyed by a Russian anti-satellite weapon and turned into a stream of space debris.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters, Guardian, Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Mike Peel (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Smeagol 17 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We have some real news about the ISS now as the crew have to take shelter from a shower of debris created by a Russian missile test. And the Kessler syndrome advances another notch. What we're mainly missing is a good picture but we might use something generic like this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle, as this is a significant event for the space industry (more so than Crew-3 that we already have on the template). However the article is pretty lightweight and could use some expansion. It also needs a source for the claim that Russia was responsible for the test - we can't claim something in the blurb that isn't cited in the article. I would also remove 'dangerous' from the blurb as that's quite a strong accusation. Modest Genius ^talk 13:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  Article seems fine now, though as I was one of the users updating it an independent assessment would be welcome. Modest Genius ^talk 18:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support on the merits; the use of an anti-satellite weapon(even as a test) is rare and few countries possess such technology. Russia isn't denying it. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: Yes, the use is rare and few countries possess such technology. Yet, I remember a similar test from India a couple of years ago was rejected as the technology "has been around for a while." If I recall correctly, there had been significant debate about debris back then too. 2405:201:4013:8087:A828:E291:B9B5:4B09 (talk) 18:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I can only comment on the nomination in front of me; I can't speak to past ones at this time. 331dot (talk) 19:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle though article needs to include that Russia shot it down (right now, the article just says it broke up). And other cn tags in article would need fixing. Though I agree, this is way more important/notable/covered in news sources than Crew-3. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I started putting this through DYK earlier today, see Template:Did you know nominations/Kosmos 1408, since I haven't enjoyed participating in previous ITN discussions. But if you want this here, then the DYK can be withdrawn. I've updated the template above, since I started the article yesterday. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:14, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• One option would be to merge this into the existing Crew-3 ISS mission blurb. If Kosmos 1408 is not bolded then it can still be a DYK too. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I oppose merging those blurbs - these are separate events. Modest Genius ^talk 14:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I also oppose merging- they're separate events, and this one is more important, so shouldn't be stuck on the end of some less important and newswirthy article that's only on the front page because it was alledgedly ITNR (even though that ITNR criteria was demonstrated to be unfit for purpose). And if this does reach front page, then DYK would no longer be eligible, but until that point, don't see a need to withdraw the DYK nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:30, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

We could remove the Crew-3 blurb and replace it with this one when this is ready to go (assuming Crew-3 is still on ITN). Yeah, it doesn't get its "full time" there, but I agree that it doesn't make sense to merge, but having two ISS-related things could be seen as overwhelming the box. --Masem (t) 14:35, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Fairly widely covered, but broader significance of a "threat" to the ISS isn't so apparent. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Even a fleck of paint could seriously damage the ISS, one of the most expensive objects ever constructed. 331dot (talk) 11:14, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support in principle. This is very significant news and an interesting story of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle per above, just needs better fleshing out of the article. --Masem (t) 13:53, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Comment – Upon reflection, it seems to be a serious threat all right, but ... can we post something that hasn't had a tangible effect ... yet? – Sca (talk) 14:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

PS: My question is, did Putin authorize this stupid 'test' – or was it just an act of heedless military apparatchiks down in the bureaucracy? (Russia is an oligarchy that has a country – a country that has an enormous military.) – Sca (talk) 14:19, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• • The way I'm reading it, the story is more that Russia has appeared to have violated a treaty related to space-bound weapons, in addition to this being a story of interest to space exploration (the potential of damage to the ISS that forced the crew to shelter for at least two orbits as it passed through the debris field). --Masem (t) 14:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  Reasonable enough. However, the threat to human lives (including two Russians!) seems more compelling in terms of reader interest. – Sca (talk) 14:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

From our article on the Outer Space Treaty: "Although it forbids establishing military bases, testing weapons and conducting military maneuvers on celestial bodies, the treaty does not expressly ban all military activities in space, nor the establishment of military space forces or the placement of conventional weapons in space". Testing an anti-satellite weapon on your own target is not against any treaty, just regarded as irresponsible. Note that the US, China and India have all conducted similar tests with no legal repercussions or UN censure. Modest Genius ^talk 15:09, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose no longer fresh, not really in the news, rolled off a while ago and probably better suited for DYK. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:11, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  What's your time frame for "no longer fresh"? The BBC article is only 12 hours old and the event itself occurred yesterday. It's certainly a newer event than anything currently in the ITN box... --Jayron32 16:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) The BBC published two more articles about this story in just the last hour [9] [10]. That seems pretty fresh. Modest Genius ^talk 16:19, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  It happened yesterday, and is very much still in the news. Much more so than the posted blurbs, such as the NYC Marathon on 7 November for example. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  OH sure, you can dig into websites and find more analysis, but it's not headline news and hasn't been for most of the day now. Even the article makes it clear that the "main event" has passed. Biggest headlines in the UK are now that Johnson is proposing to prevent MPs from getting paid consultancy jobs. This story is no longer even on the BBC News homepage. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:24, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support Article is short, but sufficient; it seems to have developed some since the earlier notes. Topic is being covered by reliable news sources. --Jayron32 16:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose ... for now. Article text comprises 340 words, of which 115 are background, leaving a mere 230 words about the current threat. IMO, too thin for MP promotion. Second, we shouldn't blurb something that hasn't had an impact (yet). – Sca (talk) 17:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  PS: Given that the current situation could continue for quite some time, perhaps after a bit we should consider posting this directly to Ongoing. – Sca (talk) 17:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  Whatever political fallout there has been is pretty much so far just a short but important burst (for blurb posting), but there's no sign this is going to escalate into something further, in comparison to the nuclear submarine sale a few months back. --Masem (t) 19:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

• Wait is there a real danger debris hits other satellites soon, or is this just "an abundance of caution"? Will there be significant geo-political ramifications from the test? Until one of those is "yes", I think we should wait. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 19:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Everywhere is at risk for disaster, but this info is nothing like disaster actually happening. Political story, and involving two countries who always bicker. Could change if the ISS is destroyed or something stronger than words breaks out. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:46, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Is this an RD nom for the destruction of Kosmos 1408? If so, its "career section" needs an expansion to describe how it was used while still in orbit and operational.--PFHLai (talk) 23:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Questionable significance as far as potential impacts, especially given at the moment it is just predictive. I would assume that the test itself is not sufficient for ITN, so I'm on the "Oppose" side here. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support even if nothing happens to the ISS, ASAT weapon tests don't happen every day, or even every year. Banedon (talk) 03:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support Certainly magnitudes more important than the multitude of launches posted every now and then on ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 07:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support significant, made the news and the article Kosmos 1408 is short but adequate. Given the military nature of this satellite and its destruction, we can't expect to know that many details. Of the proposed blurbs, only alt 1 is good. --LukeSurl ^t c 10:02, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle this is a significant story BUT it simply cannot be posted with a blurb of this quality. Its language is misleading and makes it sound as if a functional satellite was attacked, but rather a defunct satellite was destroyed as part of a weapons test... slightly different. Possibly also include the name of the missile system, if known, and replace "Russia" with the actual agency overseeing the test. JMonkey2006 (talk) 11:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

  Feel free to propose a different blurb. Or we could simply add 'defunct' before the name of the satellite. Modest Genius ^talk 11:38, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment – Absent from main RS sites on Wednesday; no longer in the news. Seems a minor issue without tangible effects. Neither target article is really about this event. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support in principle per JMonkey. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The Kessler syndrome may have been triggered: "The Kessler syndrome is troublesome because of the domino effect and feedback runaway wherein impacts between objects of sizable mass spall off debris from the force of the collision. The fragments can then hit other objects, producing even more space debris: if a large enough collision or explosion were to occur, such as between a space station and a defunct satellite, or as the result of hostile actions in space, then the resulting debris cascade could make prospects for long-term viability of satellites in particular low Earth orbits extremely low." Count Iblis (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Support - Russia is weaponizing space. Whether or not they were the first to do it - and presumably they weren't - this is an indication of a change in global affairs when it comes to outer space.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:16, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

If you didn't know (see anti-satellite weapon), the first ASAT test was in 1959, and was conducted by the US. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

• Comment any admins around here to post this? I oppose its inclusion as it's already stale in my opinion, but there's a pretty clear consensus here and the longer it's left unposted, the staler it becomes.... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:21, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
• Posted altblurb2. --PFHLai (talk) 17:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The space junkies emerge triumphant. – Sca (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)  ;-)

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