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*'''Support RD''' - Article looks good. Another victim of Israeli terrorism. [[User:CR-1-AB|CR-1-AB]] ([[User talk:CR-1-AB|talk]]) 12:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Support RD''' - Article looks good. Another victim of Israeli terrorism. [[User:CR-1-AB|CR-1-AB]] ([[User talk:CR-1-AB|talk]]) 12:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support RD''' good to go. There are exactly zero RS who support that the journalist's death is due to "Israeli terrorism". [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Support RD''' good to go. There are exactly zero RS who support that the journalist's death is due to "Israeli terrorism". [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsoriano97]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 12:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*:Looking at your profile, it makes sense why you would say such a lie. [[User:CR-1-AB|CR-1-AB]] ([[User talk:CR-1-AB|talk]]) 16:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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* '''<s>Comment</s> Support RD''' – Very widely covered, almost – but not quite – to the point of being blurbable. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
* '''<s>Comment</s> Support RD''' – Very widely covered, almost – but not quite – to the point of being blurbable. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support RD''' – Extensive coverage by multiple agencies. Article seems fine. [[User:Dora the Axe-plorer|Dora the Axe-plorer]] ([[User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer|explore]]) 14:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Support RD''' – Extensive coverage by multiple agencies. Article seems fine. [[User:Dora the Axe-plorer|Dora the Axe-plorer]] ([[User talk:Dora the Axe-plorer|explore]]) 14:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC) |
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May 11
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RD: Shireen Abu Akleh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, AlJazeera, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by theleekycauldron (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ezlev (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Possibly a blurb, but I'm not a regular here so I'll nominate it as RD and leave others to decide where/if it should air. RD is also preferable, since the updater may want to take this to WP:DYK instead? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD Article looks fine for RD, but it shouldn't be a blurb. Journalists around the world are killed every day, and we don't post those because it'd merely clog up the ITN section. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD - Article looks good. Another victim of Israeli terrorism. CR-1-AB (talk) 12:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD good to go. There are exactly zero RS who support that the journalist's death is due to "Israeli terrorism". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Looking at your profile, it makes sense why you would say such a lie. CR-1-AB (talk) 16:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
CommentSupport RD – Very widely covered, almost – but not quite – to the point of being blurbable. – Sca (talk) 13:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)- Support RD – Extensive coverage by multiple agencies. Article seems fine. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 14:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD – Significant but not blurb-worthy. Our comments should focus on the article quality, which from a very quick glance looks alright to me. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD Extensive coverage and the article is in good shape. Mount Patagonia (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Bob Lanier
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There are two unreferenced paragraphs in the "College career" section. Otherwise, the article is good.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Kiril Simeonovski:, all cited now. – Muboshgu (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support OK, but one dead link. Grimes2 (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed.—Bagumba (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Leonid Kravchuk
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: First President of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, (pictured) dies at the age of 88. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, NPR, The Guardian, Radio Free Europe, AP News, US News, France24, Reuters, Euro News, DW News, ABC News, Yahoo News
Credits:
- Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First president of independent Ukraine, very significant death, should be posted when the article is ready. BastianMAT (talk) 19:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- support blurb if he was a regular run of the mill president of the us he would have been blurbed, and he was his country's first internationally recognized independent leader, so i support blurb DzhungarTroll (talk) 19:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- not necessarily, but the timing is interesting since its literally been a week since Stanislav Shushkevich passed, and we didn't blurb him (or even give him a RD), He was the last one of the 3 presidents who signed the Belovezh Accords still alive. (the 3rd one being Boris Yeltsin ofc.). He's definitely notable but the article needs to be updated to get rid of tags first. 4iamking (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb First president isn’t the same as a founder of a country. He’s definitely not what was Muhammad Ali Jinnah for Pakistan or Habib Bourgiba for Tunisia, and I don’t think that even Ukrainians consider him as such.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- He is not Jinnah or Bourgiba because of how Ukrainians perceive power (although Viacheslav Chornovil is close. saying it as Ukrainian). Kravchuk was instrumental in shaping the modern democratic Ukrainian state (including rejection of nuclear weapons and transfer of power after free elections). Support the blurb in principle, once the article has enough references. --Andrei (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- What he shaped has gone very long time ago, shortly after he lost to Kuchma in the 1994 election. I don’t underestimate his vision of a modern democratic country, but that’s something that literally never happened as Ukraine has been performing extremely low on the corruption and democracy rankings. So, if he wasn’t able to establish his ideals in practice, then he can’t be transformative enough to merit a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- He is not Jinnah or Bourgiba because of how Ukrainians perceive power (although Viacheslav Chornovil is close. saying it as Ukrainian). Kravchuk was instrumental in shaping the modern democratic Ukrainian state (including rejection of nuclear weapons and transfer of power after free elections). Support the blurb in principle, once the article has enough references. --Andrei (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle Article doesn't have enough sources as its subject has just died. That's to be expected. Will get on this now. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support blurb But the article needs to get some ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:19, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Not
muchprominently in the RS news. – Sca (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)- @Sca:, is it opposite day? All RS are covering this. BastianMAT (talk) 22:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD once updated, Oppose Blurb In retrospect his accomplishments mirror Stanislav Shushkevich, who passed last week (Signing Belovezh Accords & overseeing Independence from the USSR, and giving in giving up the Nuclear arsenal.) It was pretty equovically argued last week that Sushkevich didnt merit a blurb because he was a leader for a short time between 1991-1994, and didnt do much as leader beyond overseeing independance and giving up nukes. I dont see a reason why the standard should be any different here.4iamking (talk) 22:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ignore the quality issues preventing the RD posting, Oppose blurb as the article fails to clearly establish what leadership or transformative role he had (such as a legacy section). I dunno if such a section can be made from what I read as this appears to be a rather mundane presidency. --Masem (t) 23:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD, Oppose Blurb for same reasons as Shushkevich, was leader for only a short time and didn’t do much besides oversee independence. The Kip (talk) 00:05, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Just because he was president of Ukraine does not mean we should have a blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:12, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- in fact the blurb is not being proposed "for being the president of Ukraine" but for being the first of the independent Ukraine and leading its independence...... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb for exactly the same reasons as the former Belarusian leader last week i.e. not transformative enough person for it, in spite of being the first leader post-USSR. Also oppose RD for now, as article is orange-tagged. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Shivkumar Sharma
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Dharmadhyaksha (talk · give credit), Hemanshu (talk · give credit) and Hekerui (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian classical musician. Article needs some significant work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Edits done. Reasonable biography. The discography seems sourced to the single link and seems alright, but, if someone spots any holes let me know. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 23:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support I don't get why there's an empty "Notes" column in that table, and the image towards the end has such a long caption that it breaks into the references, but otherwise it appears satisfactory. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is good with enough information. Alex-h (talk) 12:20, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 14:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Robert Gillmor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2][3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Significant artist, illustrator and ornithologist, with international impact Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Citations needed, and is that list of works still incomplete? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
2022 Sri Lankan Protests
Blurb: Sri Lankan Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapaksa resigns amid protests, an economic crisis, and a state of emergency. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, DAWN, The News Al Jazeera, Guardian, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment as nom Article does need some work with orange tags. I will try to get that fixed. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reasons I mentioned at #(closed) May 2022 Sri Lankan unrest, which applied to this article as well as the stub article. Wait until a new head of state is announced, and then post their article instead, as their article cannot surely be as poor as that orange tagged article. Also no idea why we needed to close one nomination for this and start a new one, when we could have just added alt blurbs to the previous nomination.... Joseph2302 (talk) 10:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, once tags fixed, I see this more as an ongoing thing as it has been in the news repetitively for the last two months or so.4iamking (talk) 10:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait This exact article got posted in April. Wait until a new president or prime minister is announced or until. As this has been going on for several months now and doesnt look like it will end anytime soon, we could possibly add this to ongoing. Haris920 (talk) 11:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Widely covered. Bears watching. – Sca (talk) 13:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality (at this time). Article still needs a lot of work to be acceptable for linking to from the main page. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait Growing in notability/coverage by the day, but article needs work and precedent says this doesn't get posted until a new PM is selected. The Kip (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: maybe we should link 2022 Sri Lankan protests to ongoing? Just putting that out there as a potential option for further discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:237F:ACCB:6CBF:620E:19:D622 (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Continues to be widely covered Wednesday, [1] [2] [3] but resolution of the situation appears problematical. – Sca (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Definitely ITN Flameperson (talk) 13:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support ongoing per 2600:6C44... Article is in good shape, is getting regular daily updates, and topic has remained in the news for an extended period of time.--Jayron32 13:43, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) May 2022 Sri Lankan unrest
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Sri Lankan Prime Minister Mahinda Rajapaksa resigned amid unrest and economic crisis and declared a state of emergency. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, DAWN, The News Al Jazeera, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- This is too short to be posted. I recommend nominating 2022 Sri Lankan protests instead, even though it needs the orange tags to be resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 08:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose usually we post when a new leader is chosen, as head of state changes are ITNR. And neither of these articles is anywhere near acceptable for posting anyway- one is a stub, and one is orange tagged for original research. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait till a successor is chosen. Tube·of·Light 09:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose the article about the prime minister is fine, although it does need some citing work. The article about the unrest is absolutely unfathomable. 72 words only?? Come on now... Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the article was nominate for deletion. (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/May 2022 Sri Lankan unrest) HurricaneEdgar 10:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Pulitzer Prizes
Blurb: In U.S. journalism, the Pulitzer Prizes are awarded, with The Washington Post receiving the Public Service award for its coverage of the 2021 U.S. Capitol attack. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times (with editorial firewall), AP, Poynter
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mount Patagonia (talk · give credit), Espngeek (talk · give credit) and Funcrunch (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Based on the allocations at WP:ITNAWARDS, we can reasonably justify about one item for journalism awards per year, and the Pulitzers are unquestionably the most significant. The article has been fully updated, with only some minor copy editing (e.g. ensuring all notable names are wikilinked) remaining. Its structure is similar to other awards articles that are regularly posted without issue. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 23:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nominator. Just went through and added a bunch more Wikilinks. Funcrunch (talk) 00:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Can there be another paper mentioned besides the Washington Post? It would be nice to recognize smaller outfits. Thriley (talk) 02:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- The public service award is very widely regarded as the top prize, so I think it's the one we're obligated to go with. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It looks like there are non-journalism categories, which have no accompanying text. The amount of quotes clashes with WP:NOFULLTEXT. See the discussions from 2021 and 2020. Joofjoof (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- The descriptions accompanying each award are short enough to be acceptable, in my view, but that's something to take up on the article talk, a future GAN, or more generally WT:Awards, given that it's squarely within the norm of the area. On 2020/2021, those foundered mainly because the articles weren't developed quickly enough before they became stale. For this year, I added a reception section and expanded lead off the bat, so that should not be an issue, more akin to 2014. This may not be an FA but it's very much complete enough to be ready and useful for readers coming from ITN. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 06:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Midge Decter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; The Washington Post; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 19:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Qin Yi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by Chinese Aladdin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Chuachenchie (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Centenarian, "most beautiful Chinese actress", a great mother to her son with mental health problems - this article was in good shape when I looked. Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Is the article cited?
Is it long enough?
Is it issue free?
This wikibio is READY for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:41, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 04:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: John H. Coates
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Emmanuel College University of Cambridge
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Steelkamp (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Steelkamp (talk) 05:51, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Each section sourced
, 450+ words
, style
. Grimes2 (talk) 08:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Comments: It's odd that the death is cited to the DPMMS website, dated 6 days before his death. If this ref is removed, then his tenure as head of DPMMS from 1991 to 1997 will need a new source. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Now fixed. No worries. --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Amarakeerthi Athukorala
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Tube of Light (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan MP from the ruling party, who shot two people during the protests and was later found dead in a nearby building. Tube·of·Light 04:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Nominator's comments are pretty much the whole stubby story. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Adreian Payne
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jamesdavid99 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support. It seems ready to me. Alexcalamaro (talk) 04:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comments: The infobox mentions that the subject was Pro A champion and French Cup winner in 2019, but the prose only mentions the signing with a French team, with no mention of playing basketball in France. Also, the prose has no mention of "Fourth-team Parade All-American (2010)", which is also in the infobox. Please add. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- PFHLai, both added to prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the new prose. --PFHLai (talk) 10:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- PFHLai, both added to prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
2022 Philippine presidential election
Blurb: Bongbong Marcos (pictured) is elected President of the Philippines alongside his vice-presidential running mate, Sara Duterte. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Bongbong Marcos and Sara Duterte (pictured) are elected president and vice president of the Philippines respectively.
Alternative blurb II: Bongbong Marcos (pictured) and his running-mate Sara Duterte are elected president and vice president of the Philippines respectively.
News source(s): Rappler, AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 2600:1700:5890:69F0:95BD:4D37:3558:EDE5 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results are now 90% in. Also, the president and vice-president are elected separately in the Philippines. 2600:1700:5890:69F0:95BD:4D37:3558:EDE5 (talk) 23:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait the ballot counting still ongoing (partial/unofficial) ABS-CBN Halalan also, there is no sourced if Marcos Sara elected as president and vice president of the philippines. HurricaneEdgar 00:08, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per HurricaneEdgar. Marcos is projected to win but it's not official. Post when the full results are out. Mtcat101 (talk) 00:20, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait as results are partial and unofficial. Itsquietuptown ✉️📜 00:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait -- but also, isn't this WP:ITNR? -- RockstoneSend me a message! 01:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- The change of president is, the change of vice president is not (still might be considered on its own unpresumed significance). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've converted this to an ITNR nomination. Tube·of·Light 04:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, but will change to support once full results are in and confirmed. The Kip (talk) 05:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. The results are partial and unofficial as of now. Support once the election report reaches 100%. KTerPalmers (talk) 05:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Added another altblurb2. KTerPalmers (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment we don't normally post vice-presidents, usually just the president. All of these blurb suggestions are very long and so will take up lots of space in the ITN box. Shouldn't we just post the president, like we do for all other head of state changes? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- The target article is named for the presidential election, but its lead immediately widens the scope, so that's a very hard question. The peripheral article on the president has (proportionately) fewer unsourced paragraphs than the less important office's article, so ignoring the latter would improve the post as a whole. Whether we want to link inferior unbolded articles is another tough question. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- In case it wasn't clear, my complaint is listing the vice-president in the blurbs. A shorter blurb like
Bongbong Marcos (pictured) is elected President of the Philippines
(with appropriate wikilinks) would be better in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)- You were clear. I like your idea of better. But as currently written, the presidential election article is effectively about both elections, could complicate matters. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- In case it wasn't clear, my complaint is listing the vice-president in the blurbs. A shorter blurb like
- The target article is named for the presidential election, but its lead immediately widens the scope, so that's a very hard question. The peripheral article on the president has (proportionately) fewer unsourced paragraphs than the less important office's article, so ignoring the latter would improve the post as a whole. Whether we want to link inferior unbolded articles is another tough question. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait On President, per R. The election of a clear and present dictator's daughter/colonel/"favorite child" to an office of lesser supposed power isn't covered, even if it does seem free and fair. To make exceptions for two women immediately surrounding the firm rejection of a roughly iffy man could seem sexist, Sinophobic or even unreasonably arbitrary. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait ... for full results. But we certainly aren't going to call him "Bongbong," as all RS sources describe that as a nickname. This isn't the Tagalog Wikipedia. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- English Wikipedia recognizes that as his WP:COMMONNAME, and I think it's cool, so be cool. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sca You're just jealous you didn't think of making your name Bongbong, aren't you? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm planning to change it to Scandia, which has a lot more euphony. "Sca!" sounds like someone trying to herd cats – or to manage ITN mavens here. – Sca (talk) 15:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- We have posted names that are "odd" to native English speakers before, so I don't see why we should replace Bongbong with Ferdinand when he is better known by the unofficial name. Tube·of·Light 02:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because encyclopedic style doesn't identify subjects by nicknames in first mention. (Cf. "Hurricane" Carter). – Sca (talk) 13:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Are you guys willing to post Philippine elections in two separate days? The legislative elections also happened, and are also ITNR. The official winners for the Senate may be known early next week, before the presidential winner is officially known. Howard the Duck (talk) 02:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support the results section continues to need prose. I would exclude from the blurb any mention of the vice president, as it's not ITNR and should not be, as well as the result to the Senate. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Legislative elections -- which include the Senate -- are ITN/R. Official results are expected to be known by the weekend. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support posting now. The landslide election results are not in doubt and the other candidate, Leni Robredo, acknowledged that. CNN says that "Official results, however, could take weeks to be confirmed." [4] We should not wait weeks for the slow bureaucratic process to be completed here. For U.S. elections we post them to ITN without waiting for the official certification to be completed, which typically also takes weeks. Regarding the name: All of the English language sources that I have seen refer to Marcos as "Ferdinand Marcos Jr." These sources mention that he is known in the Philippines by the nickname "Bongbong" but don't themselves refer to him that way. Per WP:COMMONNAME we should also refer to him as "Ferdinand Marcos Jr" in the blurb. Nsk92 (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- In U.S. English, Jr takes a period (Jr.). -- Sca (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Nsk92. However maybe the blurb should mention he is the son of the former dictator? Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:50, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
May 8
(Closed) 2022 British Academy Television Awards
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: At the 2022 British Academy Television Awards, In My Skin wins Best Drama and Motherland wins Best Scripted Comedy. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Could perhaps be convinced otherwise, but as it stands only the Emmys are considered ITN/R as a TV award. The Kip (talk) 05:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only It's not ITN/R, however we did post it last year (discussion). Oppose at moment though, as there's no prose on the ceremony and it's undersourced. Black Kite (talk) 09:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose BATA are not listed in the Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haris920 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not enough prose or sources. I'm also not convinced these awards are notable or internationally-relevant enough to be included in ITN. AusLondonder (talk) 10:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Not widely covered. – Sca (talk) 12:23, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm seeing plenty of coverage on the US side of the pond of these from the expected places (Variety, Hollywood Reporters, etc.) --Masem (t) 12:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Would full support if the article was improved. --Jayron32 12:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Any oppose just because it is not ITN/R will, as always, be simply ignored. Recurring events that are not listed there are judged on their own merits (or how do you expect they would ever get posted enough to be listed at ITN/R). This was posted last year after there was a prose update.
for Americans that don't knowBATAs have comparable international considerations, renown, and history as the Emmys, though I didn't think I would actually need to explain it since it gets international and even some American media (as averse as it is to show things that would defy American exceptionalism) attention. As has been explained in previous years, posting the Emmys does not prevent posting the TV BAFTAs; we do post the Oscars and Film BAFTAs. Kingsif (talk) 15:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not American and I oppose posting this. The issue of what has been designated at some time as ITN/R is irrelevant (personally I would support a large cull of ITN/R). I have seen relatively little coverage outside the UK and the article is still not suitable for inclusion quality-wise. AusLondonder (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, your !oppose wasn't just "isn't ITN/R", or "seems unimportant", so? Though another comment could be that if you are saying an international award show isn't significant, maybe give some thoughts on why. Kingsif (talk) 23:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- In what way is this an "international" awards show? Because they have an international programme award? AusLondonder (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: In fairness to AusLondonder, neither of their comments !opposed this because it "isn't ITN/R" at all. Effy Midwinter (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- So why they felt the need to reply to a comment not directed at them... Kingsif (talk) 19:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, your !oppose wasn't just "isn't ITN/R", or "seems unimportant", so? Though another comment could be that if you are saying an international award show isn't significant, maybe give some thoughts on why. Kingsif (talk) 23:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not American and I oppose posting this. The issue of what has been designated at some time as ITN/R is irrelevant (personally I would support a large cull of ITN/R). I have seen relatively little coverage outside the UK and the article is still not suitable for inclusion quality-wise. AusLondonder (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Agreed that any oppose !votes on the basis of not being ITN/R should be summarily ignored by a posting admin given that the BAFTAs were posted last year. A local consensus exists to post this item as long as this meets quality standards, which admittedly based on past experience, can be a high bar for award show articles to meet.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, however agreeing with WaltCip and Kingsif in that any oppose !votes on the basis of not being ITN/R should be ignored by the posting admin. Article does need work, though. Ping me when everything's been fixed. Cheers. WimePocy 18:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Article has been updated in line with other instances of the event (including last year's, which was posted). Since they asked, pinging WimePocy. Kingsif (talk) 00:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose While awarded by the BAFTA (British Academy of Film and Television Arts), they are not as notable as their film awards nor has their noteworthiness been demonstrated in the articles herein. Gotitbro (talk) 07:42, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know how one set of awards from a body is less notable within its field than another set of awards from the same, but both are considered in the majors in their fields, and to me the meaning of "not as notable" at your link is referring to television being less glamorous than film in general. Kingsif (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also generally cheaper to produce, less likely to hit shelves and more constantly running (the award-winning crap isn't general crap, of course). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose yes there's some news about it, but that news level has reduced massively in the last 24 hours. Not important enough for ITN in my opinion (and before anyone says anything, I'm British, so it's not just North Americans opposing this). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- The fast drop in coverage for any award show is that way, unless you have something that falls into celeb gossip as the Wil Smith thing was this year at the Oscar's. This us a poor reason to oppose. --Masem (t) 19:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Because it is not in ITNR, and it is not as notable as the Emmys. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 06:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mahendra Raj
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian engineer and structural designer. I will continue to work on the article for a bit. Edits done. Reasonable C-class biography, though Rater.js says B-class. Ktin (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. AusLondonder (talk) 09:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Is this article well cited?
Is it long enough?
Is it issue free?
That means that this article is READY for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --Jayron32 16:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dennis Waterman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nthep (talk · give credit) and Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British actor who often wrote the theme tune and sung the theme tune to many of the programmes he appeared in The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose there are still quite a bit of CN tags that need to be addressed. Cheers. WimePocy 15:36, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @WimePocy:, the tags have now been removed and sourced. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @The C of E: Not exactly. Still major unsourced content in the filmography and discography sections. Please fix them. Cheers. WimePocy 18:16, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @WimePocy:, the tags have now been removed and sourced. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support In the last hour alone, multiple sources have been added and a clean-up has been done. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:02, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose until "Career" section is correctly referenced. Mjroots (talk) 16:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support no issues. SN54129 12:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support More than good enough Spicemix (talk) 14:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is good. Alex-h (talk) 16:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --Jayron32 16:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
New Chief Executive of Hong Kong
Blurb: In Hong Kong, John Lee (pictured) is elected as Chief Executive (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Hong Kong, John Lee (pictured) is appointed as Chief Executive by the Election Committee organised by the Chinese authorities.
Alternative blurb II: In Hong Kong, John Lee (pictured) is confirmed as Chief Executive by the Election Committee in an uncontested election
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cypp0847 (talk · give credit) and Kkuchnir (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Just like in Northern Ireland, elections in non-sovereign jurisdictions should be judged on their own merits, and this election made the 15-minute news bulletin today on the BBC. Hong Kong has been in the international news for years now, and the police and security background of the strongly pro-Beijing new Chief Executive is making the news now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose as since not ITNR and we have this "Lee was the only candidate and won with over 99% of the vote in which nearly all 1,500 committee members were carefully vetted by the central government in Beijing." I dont think we really can call this an election. --Masem (t) 12:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Masem. Not significant. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support Results section needs prose. And if we are willing to include subnational elections, we must believe it. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support pending update needs a results paragraph otherwise it's fine. Hong Kongs special status has been a focus of attention for decades and this election is a significant part of that saga. While some individuals like to pick and choose which elections are deemed "legitimate" that's outside the scope of ITN. Is it in the news and is there a quality update? If yes to both then up it goes. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Support going off of my own consensus, like the Turkmeni election earlier this year and the Northern Ireland election just yesterday. Article needs prose updates, however. HK's autonomy has been a growing issue for quite some time now, much like Northern Ireland, and even though this isn't a totally free and fair election, it still is the changing hands of a government. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose A rubber stamp election with only 1 candidate is not really significant compared with the recent one in NI. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support we posted Northern Ireland even though it was subnational because it had "worldwide coverage" and are not posting Hong Kong? That's got double standards written all over it, sorry. Banedon (talk) 16:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- NI was an actual election, this was effectively a formality. The Kip (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- its still an election, even if the electorate is pretty restrictively defined. 4iamking (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Per 4iamking, and if you really believe this was a formality then I suggest changing the article's title to something else. Banedon (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- NI was an actual election, this was effectively a formality. The Kip (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Posting one sub-national election ≠ automatically posting all others. Regardless of that fact, this event can hardly be classified as an election (perhaps a coronation?). According to the first sentence of our Election article "An election is a formal group decision-making process by which a population chooses an individual or multiple individuals to hold public office." I think the bit about population choice has been missed in this "election". AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose wording Not an election in any sense of the word (other than PR/propaganda purposes). Abcmaxx (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- That was indeed an election. Just involving a closed, inner circle, making a decision that impacts on the community outside the circle. A very limited democracy. Just look at the news as one about a change in leadership. --PFHLai (talk) 19:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, and if the opposers have any validity to their argument they'll nominate a move at the article talk page where it'll die a quick death because they're wrong. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The reason the Northern Ireland one was posted was not because it was just an election, but because it was an unusual result in a sub-national election (the first time Sinn Féin took majority control). There is nothing of significance of the result of this election here. --Masem (t) 21:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah I don't care HK vs NI I just care about claiming it wasn't an election. If that's your beef, get the article moved. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please refrain from forum shopping. We are capable of evaluating the legitimacy of the election here. Editors contributing to a move discussion would have no greater skill or credibility in addressing the question. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The reason the Northern Ireland one was posted was not because it was just an election, but because it was an unusual result in a sub-national election (the first time Sinn Féin took majority control). There is nothing of significance of the result of this election here. --Masem (t) 21:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, and if the opposers have any validity to their argument they'll nominate a move at the article talk page where it'll die a quick death because they're wrong. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support
an alt blurbalt2 Based on the news coverage and significance of further police crackdowns, this should be posted. But, main blurb is POV in what it fails to convey. NYT: John Lee Wins Hong Kong's Rubber-Stamp Election, BBC: Hong Kong's John Lee: Ex-security chief becomes new leader, CNA: Ex-security chief John Lee confirmed as Hong Kong's next leader. These headlines make it clear it wasn't a free and open election and we should post a blurb that does similarly. I'm less impressed with AP, NPR headlines. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- We can't post those as blurbs either because those are also POV statements. We can't right great wrongs at ITN, and given the questionability about this as a sub-national election that we don't post normally, we can avoid the mess about this. --Masem (t) 02:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Masem, I'm not suggesting RGW, I'm suggesting accuracy. Calling this an "election" implies democracy and that's misinformation in this case. – Muboshgu (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing about the word "election" requires it to be "fair", that's the democratic/Western interpretation of the word. Hence still a RGW issue. --Masem (t) 12:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Alt2 is worded well. It is neither trying to topple the CCP nor is it suggesting that this was an "election" in the way we typically think of it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:21, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nothing about the word "election" requires it to be "fair", that's the democratic/Western interpretation of the word. Hence still a RGW issue. --Masem (t) 12:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Masem, I'm not suggesting RGW, I'm suggesting accuracy. Calling this an "election" implies democracy and that's misinformation in this case. – Muboshgu (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- We can't post those as blurbs either because those are also POV statements. We can't right great wrongs at ITN, and given the questionability about this as a sub-national election that we don't post normally, we can avoid the mess about this. --Masem (t) 02:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Secession of sub-national leaders should only be posted in the most exceptional circumstances. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Is there previous precedent for previous Chief Executive elections? None of them are really democratically elected, I could see the 2017 one being posted because of the campaign possibly, but no Beijing-chosen candidate has ever really gone below fifty percent in one of these because of how they are conducted. Regardless, relying on precedent could potentially yield a consensus or at the very least contextualize the potential decision being made here? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ornithoptera, the 2017 election was posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Any word about the one before that? Was CY Leung's election posted as well? If the precedent is met I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to do so, but I'm neutral on the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- 2012 election wasn't nominated – Muboshgu (talk) 07:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Any word about the one before that? Was CY Leung's election posted as well? If the precedent is met I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to do so, but I'm neutral on the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ornithoptera, the 2017 election was posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. The current blurb is inappropriate; it should say he was appointed, not elected. The article has similar issues, but once both of those are corrected I would support posting this. BilledMammal (talk) 02:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- If a Montenegrin getting the nod from 46 people is an election, I see no reason a Hong Konger's approval by 1,416 (30 times more) is an appointment. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know what Montenegrin you are referring to, but reliable sources like the BBC and the New York Times have described this as an appointment. BilledMammal (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dritan Abazović, the third bolded item in the ITN box. Both of those sources also use "election" or "elect". I think when someone is appointed following an election they won, we can safely consider them elected. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- He was elected by a democratically elected parliament. However, that isn't the event we are discussing; this one is described by reliable sources as an appointment. BilledMammal (talk) 05:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Aye, an appointment resulting from an election by a larger, less Westernized and just as lawful body. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- He was elected by a democratically elected parliament. However, that isn't the event we are discussing; this one is described by reliable sources as an appointment. BilledMammal (talk) 05:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dritan Abazović, the third bolded item in the ITN box. Both of those sources also use "election" or "elect". I think when someone is appointed following an election they won, we can safely consider them elected. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know what Montenegrin you are referring to, but reliable sources like the BBC and the New York Times have described this as an appointment. BilledMammal (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- If a Montenegrin getting the nod from 46 people is an election, I see no reason a Hong Konger's approval by 1,416 (30 times more) is an appointment. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Why are you conflating democratic institutions with the "West" and by extension non-democratic institutions with the "east"? India is the largest democracy in the world and would rarely be described as part of the West. AusLondonder (talk) 14:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- A lot of Indians wouldn't describe India as particularly democratic, either... SN54129 14:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Democracy Index classifies India as a flawed democracy, alongside the United States and much of Europe. AusLondonder (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- If you were asking me, I just meant this particular communist Chinese committee is less Westernized than the Parliament of Montenegro; India and the United States are indeed relatively complicated. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Democracy Index classifies India as a flawed democracy, alongside the United States and much of Europe. AusLondonder (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support with appropriate clarification of the circumstances of the rubber stamp per alt or similar. Coups and fake civilian governments have been posted, this is similar Bumbubookworm (talk) 05:13, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Alt The Election Commission, described as an electoral college, should reasonably be expected to elect people, not appoint them. I get how this may not seem free and fair, relative to a race with two candidates, but that's life in China. No opinion on the original blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support alt2 While alt1 is perhaps excessively biased and makes assumptions on the organization of the election, we should also recognize that the 1. Lee was unopposed, and the vote was simply yes-no, and 2. the election was by a small body, rather than by members of the public, and 3. nomination of candidates was by the same body, and he had already received more than half of nominations. This entire process seems much more along the lines of, say, nomination and confirmation in the US Supreme Court. Sources such as my local Globe and Mail come to a similar conclusion. I have offered another alternate blurb which makes these two points clear in a more neutral and factual tone. Mdu02 (talk) 08:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 as it explains that this was an uncontested election- which is one of the main focuses of news coverage on this "election" event. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, Per above, this does not look like an election. Alex-h (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 it is an election, even though it is uncontested. – robertsky (talk) 18:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not an election. This is more of an administrative appointment. Nfitz (talk) 06:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: Don't turn this into your personal soapbox against Northern Ireland. Please strike your grossly inappropriate comment.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also, Hong Kong had a change of head of state, which is ITNR anyway. Whether it's a proper election or not in HK, it should be posted, as it's an ITNR event. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- HK is not a sovereign nation, and thus does not qualify for that ITNR, just as the case with Northern Ireland. --Masem (t) 15:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @WaltCip:Some users had tried to point out that this should be treated the same as the recent Northern Ireland. I was trying to explain the why it's very different. Against? I don't see any indication that I have revealed my position on Northern Ireland at all, while using encylopaedic language. User:Joseph2302, Hong Kong is a region of China; it's not a state - which is a bigger issue than how the CE was chosen; but does impact the wording; I should have stressed that. NI is the exception, not the rule; I certainly don't advocate that every NI election is notable. Nfitz (talk) 16:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- HK is not a sovereign nation, and thus does not qualify for that ITNR, just as the case with Northern Ireland. --Masem (t) 15:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also, Hong Kong had a change of head of state, which is ITNR anyway. Whether it's a proper election or not in HK, it should be posted, as it's an ITNR event. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Nfitz: Don't turn this into your personal soapbox against Northern Ireland. Please strike your grossly inappropriate comment.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Marked attention results section has a prose update --LaserLegs (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Since posts here are running 11-8 against at this pt., the Needs attention tag doesn't seem appropriate. Removed.
– Sca (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Your supervote is most appreciated, thanks Sca. I'm sure an uninvolved admin could have determined if the invalid WP:IDONTLIKEIT opposes had merit and made a determination but your childishly simplistic WP:VOTE count is probably better. Maybe you should just close the nomination entirely. Keep up the good work buddy, you're really helping the project out here. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Amen to that. There are a few opposes on the count of relevance or Hong Kong being a subnational unit (irrelevant, as if it was ITN/R would make it automatic with a sourced article), but most oppose votes are about the wording of the original and first blurb. Mdu02 (talk) 05:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- I really fail to see how consensus exists to post this. Sarcastic personal attacks on other good-faith editors is not going to convince anyone otherwise. AusLondonder (talk) 05:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- The voice of reason -- as opposed to puerile blather. TNX. -- Sca (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that it's been a few days, I don't think this will get posted because of inactivity, and to be fair the event is somewhat borderline on notability without some editorializing. That being said, I don't think the original commenter should have simply looked at the vote and unilaterally made such a decision. I won't say it's in bad faith but it's irresponsible. About half the oppose votes are arguments about wording rather than about notability, and on a more notable event such a vote count could still easily lead to consensus achieved. Mdu02 (talk) 07:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- I really fail to see how consensus exists to post this. Sarcastic personal attacks on other good-faith editors is not going to convince anyone otherwise. AusLondonder (talk) 05:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Amen to that. There are a few opposes on the count of relevance or Hong Kong being a subnational unit (irrelevant, as if it was ITN/R would make it automatic with a sourced article), but most oppose votes are about the wording of the original and first blurb. Mdu02 (talk) 05:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Your supervote is most appreciated, thanks Sca. I'm sure an uninvolved admin could have determined if the invalid WP:IDONTLIKEIT opposes had merit and made a determination but your childishly simplistic WP:VOTE count is probably better. Maybe you should just close the nomination entirely. Keep up the good work buddy, you're really helping the project out here. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
May 7
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RD: Mickey Gilley
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Country singer that defined the "urban cowboy" style. Few CNs that need to be filled out Masem (t) 02:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs more references that can clear up the CN tags. After that, this article would be ready for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Kang Soo-yeon
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Korea Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Beetricks (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Needs some work. One of Korea's most famous movie actors, even internationally, and an unexpected death. Kingsif (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle, weak oppose on quality I have fixed up some issues (such as dividing up the sections and removed some weasel words) however it still needs some work. Fix the orange tag, and we're golden. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:50, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Now looks to be fully cleaned-up. @Fakescientist8000: Kingsif (talk) 01:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- After further inspection, I can't say that it is. Still some CN tags and no inline citations for the filmography section. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 10:25, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022 Kentucky Derby
Blurb: In horse racing, Rich Strike wins the Kentucky Derby. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jlvsclrk (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Needs a "Race Description" section. Joofjoof (talk) 23:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Opposeneeds additional prose.Support Article looks to be cleaned up now. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)- Support The 80-1 odds win is like winning the lottery in Horse Racing. The blurb should be updated to reflect the second ever long shot win in Kentucky Derby history. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:37, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- This should only be included if this is nearly-universal in all coverage of the event (eg I think last year we had the first female jockey to win which was connected to the win, and as such we included.) --Masem (t) 13:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Notable sporting event. MarioJump83! 02:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per personal feelings. Not a notable event. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 12:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- WP:ITN/R dictates that it is a notable event. The discussion should be about quality, not feelings. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 12:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for a perfect example of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 09:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Lacking sufficient sources in my view. AusLondonder (talk) 13:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fairly decent and got a race description now. Llewee (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Ditto on article quality. Looks good. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support ITNR event and article's cleaned up. The Kip (talk) 05:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support article looks fine, event is ITNR, and looks reasonably notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posting, looks good now. --Tone 12:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Question Is there not a picture of the horse? About chuckled when I glanced the top blurb. CoatCheck (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Benjamin Rich arrested near Site 112 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Benjamin Rich arrested near Site 112 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Zerkalo
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Strong oppose Definitely nowhere close to world-impactful news, and would be likely covered under the Ukraine/Russia war ongoing. --Masem (t) 21:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Strong oppose This is an extremely trivial event. The Kip (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Bemused oppose Might reel in a few more thousand YouTube subscribers for him. But really? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022 Northern Ireland Assembly election
Blurb: Sinn Féin, led by Michelle O'Neill (pictured) wins the most seats in the 2022 Northern Ireland Assembly election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CBC, CNN, The New York Times, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Quinnnnnby (talk · give credit), Dragonlord73 (talk · give credit), Becksperson (talk · give credit), JohnMannon (talk · give credit) and Unreal7 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Major shakeup in Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein has never won the most seats. I have to admit that the deputy first minister position is equal to the first minister position regardless. But Sinn Fein coming out on top is unprecedented in the area's history and has been covered widely as such. Additionally, it is the first nationalist party to win the most seats in Northern Ireland's 101 year history, all of this adds to something quite remarkable. There are a ton of updaters, so I apologize if I haven't included you. Props to them for a wonderful article! Ornithoptera (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment @Ornithoptera: I think you mean the first NON-unionist or the first nationalist party. Yes they advocate Irish unification but they are definitely not "unionist" in an NI context. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Shoot yeah, that's my bad lol. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment @Ornithoptera: I think you mean the first NON-unionist or the first nationalist party. Yes they advocate Irish unification but they are definitely not "unionist" in an NI context. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is widely sourced, well detailed, and has quite a bit of prose, which is something we haven't seen in a while. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 20:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Northern Ireland is not a sovereign nation, so this is not ITN/R. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment not quite so straightforward; it is a sovereign nation in a union with 3 others.Abcmaxx (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is a part of the UK and not listed on its own by List of sovereign nations as specified by ITNR. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- True but it's a lot more complicated than that. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Understood, but ITNR is black and white. This nom can be considered on its merits. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- True but it's a lot more complicated than that. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- By no definition is Northern Ireland a sovereign nation. The United Kingdom is a unitary state subdivided into countries or nations, with subnational assemblies recently created by the national parliament. You'd be far better positioned to make that argument if the UK was a federation, like the United States, Germany or Belgium. --Inops (talk) 22:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- None of thos guff wrt soveriegn nation s is at all relevant; the article is to be judged on its merits. Who even mentioned ITNR? SN54129 12:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree that this "guff" is not a good reason to not post the article, given the event's significance. Indeed, I support the article being posted to ITN. I was just correcting a falsehood a user posted above. --Inops (talk) 10:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- None of thos guff wrt soveriegn nation s is at all relevant; the article is to be judged on its merits. Who even mentioned ITNR? SN54129 12:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is a part of the UK and not listed on its own by List of sovereign nations as specified by ITNR. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment not quite so straightforward; it is a sovereign nation in a union with 3 others.Abcmaxx (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom.Abcmaxx (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose subnational elections are not ITNR. I thought this was clear. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- We post many things that are not on ITNR. That's not a rationale to oppose. --Jayron32 12:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Reply Not a sub-nation though, in fact fought a war over it and partly the result was these elections existing and devolution. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support – whilst ordinarily I would side against a sub-national election at ITN, this is significant enough to receive worldwide coverage. Yes, it isn't ITNR, but it's not being nominated as ITNR, and a periodic event not being on ITNR is not a bar from it being nominated on its own merits. Sceptre (talk) 21:06, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support per Sceptre upon reading some news coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support due to widespread international coverage this election has garnered. -- Tavix (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support This is a very significant result from the constituent nation of the UK, with lots of coverage of the result and it having large potential consequences Quinby (talk) 21:25, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Although sub-national elections aren't typically ITNR, the widespread international coverage and notability of a nationalist party winning the first-ever plurality for their bloc gives it credence. The Kip (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 22:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Support basically per above comments. Kingsif (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Support I’m late here, but I support based on what is said and would venture to say maybe it should mention that this is a first, though it doesn’t have to and it’s already been posted. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Oppose Sub-national election with no real significance (Sinn Féin got the very same number of seats as in the previous election with few more votes). Pavlor (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Support. To try and claim there is "no real significance" is to show a lack of understanding of what has happened here. This is the first time a party dedicated to breaking away from the UK and attempting to unify with Eire has won a majority of seats in the elections. Half the constituent countries within the UK now have separatist politicians in charge and this could lead to a fracturing of the UK. It also makes the NI protocol part of the Brexit deal even more fraught. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:6C22:728F:3C1A:A587 (talk) 15:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Separatists are not "in charge" here, they lead a minority government. To pass any bill, they'll need legislative help, and I don't think the loyalists are keen on breaking away. I could be wrong, though, since words are often used to mean the opposite thing in politics. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:05, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Oppose - subnational. It doesn't see that much coverage either, since most headlines I see are on the Russia-Ukraine war and the upcoming May 9 holiday in Russia. If this is pulled I'll change my vote above on the Hong Kong Chief Executive election to oppose too. Banedon (talk) 16:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Oppose We rightly refuse posting American state election results, irrespective of argued 'significance', because it's sub-national. Yes yes, the UK is a union of nations e.t.c but we're not going to be posting Welsh or Scottish election results. This really shouldn't have gone up. Gopchunk (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting Oppose -- we would not post in ITN if (for example), a new Governor were elected in Florida, despite the fact that Florida, being a U.S. state, has more sovereignty than Northern Ireland (Northern Ireland's Parliament and its government could theoretically be abolished at any time). Since this election outcome involves a "nation" with no sovereignty whatsoever, it should be ineligible for ITN, and should be pulled.-- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: at the very least, if we are going to post this, the blurb should explain WHY this is big news. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Are we really choosing to overlook the significance of this given the last hundred years of political history in Northern Ireland? WaltCip-(talk) 23:15, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- OK, can the blurb at least explain WHY this is important? I understand why it matters (Sinn Fein is a separatist party), but the blurb does not make that clear. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note Sinn Féin got the very same number of seats in every constituency as in the previous election. Their success looks "historic" only because DUP lost votes and seats to other parties (Alliance, which got also some SDLP seats). Pavlor (talk) 05:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support due to the significance of a separatist party winning a subnational election for the first time. Would agree that adding "for the first time" to the blurb would make sense. NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:51, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Under generally the same premises as above. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I think the blurb should mention that this is the first time a nationalist party has won the majority of votes just so people know why we posted a subnational election. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 08:44, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- A majority of votes (or seats or anything) can't be fewer than half; this is "plurality". InedibleHulk (talk) 08:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support as the first time that Sinn Féin have won the most seats in NI, it's a significant moment that's widely covered, and thus ITN worthy. Much more so than the ITNR elections we post for micronations, or sham elections like Hong Kong. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Article is in good enough quality, topic is being covered at a high-level by reliable news sources. Checks every necessary box. --Jayron32 12:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Joseph, and the fact that it's the first occasion on which a nationalist party has led the government that was specifically created to prevent this event from ever happening :D SN54129 12:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Post-posting support, but oppose of current blurb: We don't ordinarily post subnational results, but have in this case because of the significance of a nationalist party becoming the largest in the Assembly for the first time in Northern Ireland's history. However, there's no mention of this being the case in the blurb and therefore the event's importance. For that reason, the blurb should be reworded to include it. --Inops (talk) 11:05, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
May 6
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(Posted) RD: Bill Laskey (American football)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Monroe News; Las Vegas Raiders; NBC Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 01:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Short, but sufficient. Sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Meets requirements. MarioJump83! 21:55, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --Jayron32 16:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: George Pérez
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Acclaimed comic artist for DC. Needs a good bit of sourcing work. Masem (t) 18:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- DC and Marvel. Support. DS (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sad news indeed. There goes another piece of my childhood. Article in pretty good shape. Two or three sentences lacking references. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The entire Bibliography needs sources, though if there is one overall source that captures all that, that would work. --Masem (t) 12:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support the article is pretty good for RD, but Bibliography section needs some citational work. MarioJump83! 21:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Bibliography section now carries an orange tag requesting for more citations. There are dozens of bullet-points in this section, but only a few come with a footnote. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Hotel Saratoga explosion
Blurb: At least 30 people are killed and more than 84 injured by a gas leak explosion at the Hotel Saratoga in Havana, Cuba. (Post)
News source(s): WSJ, AP, BBC, Guardian, USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Article may need a bit more length to it. Masem (t) 04:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Hotel closed for renovation, blast due to "gas leak," although there seems to be some confusion about that, as BBC speaks of a "gas tanker," i.e. a truck. Seems marginal. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- While the hotel was closed it still had a high death toll in addition to the historic nature of the building. Masem (t) 13:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- 'High' is relative. -- Sca (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Over 20 people killed is high for an explosion. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- AP, Guardian now put toll at 26. -- Sca (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've adjusted the blurb accordingly. It's a high death toll & had it happened in the developed world it'd have been posted hours ago. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- AP, Guardian now put toll at 26. -- Sca (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Over 20 people killed is high for an explosion. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 18:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- 'High' is relative. -- Sca (talk) 14:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- While the hotel was closed it still had a high death toll in addition to the historic nature of the building. Masem (t) 13:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- This wikiarticle currently has only 154 words of prose. Can this stub be expanded? --PFHLai (talk) 13:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Wait Article is currently a stub as of now. Will oppose blurbing until it can be expanded with reliable sources and can be fixed to sound less like news, and more like an encyclopedia entry. Cheers. WimePocy 15:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-written and sourced. Clearly of significance. AusLondonder (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Question: Hotel Saratoga explosion is a stub with 171 words. If there is not sufficient materials for a standalone article, would Hotel Saratoga, Havana be a better ITN candidate? --PFHLai (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Looks like article is now at 700 words. Death toll now at 42, with 94 injuries and 3 missing. 93 (talk) 09:04, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- A significant chunk of the text is a background about the hotel, rather than being about the fire itself. The content on the fire itself is still limited. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Major disaster in Latin America with high death toll. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
May 5
(Posted) RD: Mike Hagerty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; Variety
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 07:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article length and sourcing look good. Joofjoof (talk) 04:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:22, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Axel Leijonhufvud
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Institute for New Economic Thinking
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Wik-e-wik (talk · give credit) and CronopioFlotante (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Swedish economist. Article requires some heavy lifting. I will give it a shot. Edits done. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Would love to write a separate article on Life Among the Econ. Truly fascinating. Ktin (talk) 03:43, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Kenneth Welsh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kenneth Welsh, Twin Peaks and Star Trek Actor, Dies at 80
Credits:
- Nominated by Kirill C1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Prolific character actor. Often confused with other actors. Not many sources available yet, but more should appear - he was in quite many popular films and co-starred with many A-listers. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Filmography section needs citations. Please add them. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:27, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Kevin Samuels
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News; Yahoo News; The Hill
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Acekard (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Acekard (talk) 14:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose 1154 B (190 words) is too short and I'm not convinced he meets GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Too short, and not really that significant. MarioJump83! 23:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)- Wait Greatly improved since my previous comment with adequate citations, however it is currently nominated for AfD. MarioJump83! 03:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Sketchy. – Sca (talk) 12:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: George D. Gould
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ Bloomberg
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American financier. Death announced on this date. Article has shaped up to a reasonable C-class biography. Ready for a pair of eyes. Ktin (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please can I request a pair of eyes on this article. Goes stale in ~22 hours. Ktin (talk) 02:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks good, refs check out. Not sure why nobody got to this before. Given the tight timeline, I'm going to be bold and mark it as ready. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jack Morris (American football)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Register-Guard (Eugene); Mail Tribune (Medford)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (May 4); died on April 27. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- This wikibio looks READY for RD to me. Long enough with 400+ words. No issues with formatting and footnotes. Two minor issues that should not hold back this RD nom: [1] What position(s) did he play? Scoring points, conversions and rushing gave the impression that he was an offensive player in college. He switched to DB as a pro? [2] A little more info on his post-football life would improve the coverage in this wikibio. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kenny Moore
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian; Sports Illustrated; Runner's World
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
RD: Stanislav Shushkevich
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by 4iamking (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First Post-Soviet Leader of Belarus. 4iamking (talk) 11:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Support RD
Article needs additional sources., plus an orange tag in it.Article has been fixed up, though I'm still against a blurb. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC) - Support once quality is improved. Maybe even a blurb.Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb He isn't really considered a great figure in the imperealist debauchery that was the dissolution of the USSR. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 18:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken, did you just vote oppose on your own proposal? The Kip (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Uh oh... Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oooooof. The Kip (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Uh oh... Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:03, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- If I'm not mistaken, did you just vote oppose on your own proposal? The Kip (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb He isn't really considered a great figure in the imperealist debauchery that was the dissolution of the USSR. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 18:13, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Let me remind you that this is also one of the three leaders of states that signed an agreement on the collapse of the USSR (+ Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kravchuk). And don't forget his connection to Lee Harvey Oswald. This is a historical figure. Mrs. Alena (talk) 14:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb just because he's a white European leader, that doesn't entitle him to a blurb. He's no more noteworthy than the African ex-leaders that never get consensus for a blurb (and yes, I know his impact on the dissolution of the USSR). Also, orange tag needs fixing, otherwise nothing will get posted anyway. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Every biography on Wikipedia is a historical figure. Bar needs to be set higher than just "any head of state/government" for death blurbs. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:56, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD oppose blurb - per above CR-1-AB (talk) 17:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb Not transformative or notable enough to merit a blurb. Was leader for scarcely 3.5 years and didn't do particularly much besides oversee independence. The Kip (talk) 18:35, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- RD only – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose RD at the moment. As there are literally no supports for a blurb, I think we can table that discussion. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Major sourcing issues that no one who voted support seems interested in fixing. --Jayron32 12:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- should be good now. 4iamking (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Absolutely not. Someone just removed the "refimprove" tag, but didn't actually provide any references. The "political activity" section contains lots of information for which there is no clear source. There had been a refimprove tag on that section. Someone removed it without fixing the problem. Problems don't go away like that. I returned the tag, because the actual problem had not been fixed. Someone still actually have to find the sources and provide citations to fix the problem. Please do so. Or not, you don't have to. But if you (or someone else) doesn't, this isn't being posted on the main page. --Jayron32 11:44, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- should be good now. 4iamking (talk) 11:28, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb and RD While the person in question are significant enough, references within the article needs a lot of work to do. There are some sections within the article that doesn't have any citations yet. MarioJump83! 23:12, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Impactful in the dissolution itself, but was not able to hold power much longer after that, the significance for a blurb is thus not clearly shown. Gotitbro (talk) 08:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Too much unreferenced materials. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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- ^ Eoin McSweeney (2023-05-13). "'IDF apologizes for death of Al Jazeera's Shireen Abu Akleh'". CNN. Retrieved 2024-05-11.
- ^ Avery, Mark. "Robert Gillmor – 1936 – 2022". Retrieved 10 May 2022.
- ^ "Robert Gillmor MBE 1936-2022". The Society of Wildlife Artists. Retrieved 10 May 2022.