*'''Oppose''' - Not seeing sufficient notability for ITN here. Death was not unusual, and "top of his field" is a stretch. I am also not seeing consensus for the ready tag. [[User:Jusdafax|<font color="green">Jus</font>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<font color="C1118C">da</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<font color="#0000FF">fax</font>]] 18:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Not seeing sufficient notability for ITN here. Death was not unusual, and "top of his field" is a stretch. I am also not seeing consensus for the ready tag. [[User:Jusdafax|<font color="green">Jus</font>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<font color="C1118C">da</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<font color="#0000FF">fax</font>]] 18:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Please see talk page regarding current trial. "sufficient notability" is now justified by the existence of an article, we are simply concerned with the quality of said article. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Please see talk page regarding current trial. "sufficient notability" is now justified by the existence of an article, we are simply concerned with the quality of said article. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, I'll ignore all rules and simply say I find the notion that anyone with an updated Wikipedia article who dies therefore to qualify for ITN RD is an absurd idea. I also disagree that my oppose and others like it is meaningless. [[User:Jusdafax|<font color="green">Jus</font>]][[User talk:Jusdafax|<font color="C1118C">da</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Jusdafax|<font color="#0000FF">fax</font>]] 18:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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At least three people are missing after heavy rains caused flooding in the U.S. states of Texas and Kansas. So far, four people have died in the flooding. (AP)
A fire at a home for elderly people near the Ukrainian capital Kiev kills at least 16 people. (BBC)
Brazilian Police say they have identified and are searching for four of the more than 30 men suspected in last Saturday's gang rape of a 16-year-old girl in Rio de Janeiro. The assault came to light after several men posted about the attack online. (AP via New York Daily News)
Anti-government protests erupt across Papua New Guinea against Prime MinisterPeter O'Neill, calling on him to resign. Papua New Guinea has been in a state of political turmoil since 2014 when the Prime Minister was accused of fraud and corruption. (Radio New Zealand)
Nominator's comments: The Ariel Awards are the Mexican equivalente to the Oscars, they are the most important film award in Mexico and the winning film this year also competed at the Cannes Film Festival. Javier Espinoza (talk) 04:35, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Definitely a tragic event but the person doesn't seem to meet any notability criteria in his field and the circumstances under which he died don't change to much to it. If it were James, Curry, Durant or Westbrook, I'd be happy to reconsider my vote. Besides that, how can this be ready with only one supporting vote?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:00, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't judge importance on RD nominations per the current trial on allowing any subject who merits an article to be posted to RD upon adequate quality. If you are saying this person doesn't merit an article, then it should be nominated for AFD- but as I understand it most professional players do merit a page. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: No, I say that this person's notability is very far from enough for inclusion; nobody here contests on whether he merits an article or not. If any player in a sport league meets the notability criteria for you, then it doesn't and will never do for me.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: By "notability criteria in his field" I mean notability for RD (of course he meets the notability criteria to merit an article). Sorry if it wasn't entirely comprehensive.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The United States reports 70 militants were killed, including ISIL commander Maher al-Bilawi, in a Fallujah airstrike on Wednesday. (UPI)
Disasters and accidents
Record rainfall and severe flooding in southeast Texas has killed at least two people with three others missing. On Thursday, a record 16.6 inches (42 cm) of rain fell in Brenham, west of Houston. (Reuters)
Republican candidate for U.S. President Donald Trump urges U.S. senator Marco Rubio to run for re-election after Rubio stated he would speak on Trump's behalf at the Republican Convention, if asked. (Business Insider)
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Oppose The fact we cannot find proper sources in English says much about the notability of this person. He was nothing more than a CEO of a commercial bank (symbolically the oldest in the country) and a government-owned monopoly company at the time of his death that, I bet, most outside of Norway have never heard about.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Leaving aside the trial(see above); "Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. ". 331dot (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I didn't oppose this on the grounds of an event related to a single but simply because this person doesn't meet any criteria of notability. Can you tell me how this person changed the world? What is the value that the companies he managed created to the society? How he is celebrated, at least, in his country?
@Thryduulf: You' re right, they're certainly not a requirement but a very strong basis to judge someone's notability. It makes me a bit pain to dig deeply on Google without finding a single article documenting his death published in the English-language media.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you believe the article should be deleted, please take it to AFD, otherwise the current RD trial applies, and the article is of adequate quality for posting, so although your current opposition is noted it is effectively meaningless. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiril Simeonovski: Please review this information about the current RD criteria where we no longer judge importance; persons are presumed notable if they merit an article. If you are saying this person does not merit an article, then please propose it for deletion. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Oh, I wasn't aware about the experiment. But does it really prevent me to oppose it here since it's just a trial with unknown outcome? Anyway, I'll go to the discussion page to oppose it. Thanks for letting me know.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not seeing sufficient notability for ITN here. Death was not unusual, and "top of his field" is a stretch. I am also not seeing consensus for the ready tag. Jusdafax18:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please see talk page regarding current trial. "sufficient notability" is now justified by the existence of an article, we are simply concerned with the quality of said article. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'll ignore all rules and simply say I find the notion that anyone with an updated Wikipedia article who dies therefore to qualify for ITN RD is an absurd idea. I also disagree that my oppose and others like it is meaningless. Jusdafax18:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I would like to support this on notability as it is a truly unique historic event--Hiroshima and Nagasaki remain the only use of nuclear weapons as an attack and thus Obama is obviously the only leader of a nation to have used them to visit the actual site in the country they were used against. Certainly of large significance in Japan, the US, and broader significance beyond. That said none of the linked articles refer to the visit at all. I can't support it at this point.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Something gives me the strong impression that he's using this visit to pad his legacy more than for any actual historical and political importance.--WaltCip (talk) 13:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Legacy reflects historical importance. Wikipedia articles have a 'legacy' section to discuss a subject's historic importance.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:36, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Regardless of the intent of the visit, this isn't anything groundbreaking in politics (compared to Obama visiting Cuba as a sign of the end of the Cuba Thaw). --MASEM (t) 13:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per Masem; very little of significance is expected to come out of this visit; it was made clear beforehand he was not going to apologize for the bombing; no new policies, agreements or treaties are being announced. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per Masem, 331dot. Had he voiced some sort of apology, that would have been significant, but it wasn't in the cards. (After all, it was a decision made by Truman years before Obama was born.) His was a sympathetic gesture, that's all. Sca (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolutely oppose Echoing all WaltCip, Masem, and 331dot's comments in full, as merely a legacy-cementing measure by a warmonger; in addition, his remarks of ridding the world of nuclear weapons fly in the face of his tacit approval of a 1 trillion USD upgrade to said arsenal. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 20:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Archaeologists announce the discovery of a 2,400-year-old tomb which they believe to be that of Aristotle based on its grandiosity, and its location atop a hill in Stagira, the city of his birth. (UPI)(The New York Times)
South Korean PresidentPark Geun-hye, during her state visit to Ethiopia to work toward full-scale defense cooperation, pledges $1 million in aid for drought recovery. Park is expected to continue to Uganda and Kenya after this visit. (UPI)
Ken Starr, the president of Baylor University, is stripped of his title after an investigation revealed the university mishandled accusations of sexual assault against its football players. The university's football coach, Art Briles, is also fired. (The New York Times)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Holocaust survivor, peace activist article is almost 8,000 characters (1,240 words) and well sourced with the exception of two cn tags. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose being a Holocaust survivor is not a "field" and her role as an activist is far outshadowed by others. There is no evidence of awards or major influence on others. μηδείς (talk) 21:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, remember we're still doing the trial of promoting anyone who died to ITN/RD as long as their article is up to snuff. No more subjective "importance" criteria, at least for now. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's some really weird use of quotes in this article. They're all cited, but thre's a lot of things that could be simple paragraph, leaving the quotes to things that are difficult to paraphrase or subjective. --MASEM (t) 03:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mainly per Medeis. If she were the last Holocaust survivor, it would perhaps put some weight to consider this for posting. But with no indication about any important event and achievement with major implications in her life, this is far from being sufficient for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready yet there are a couple of statements explicitly marked as requiring a citation (and they clearly do need them) but when they're sorted it should be good to go. I note the quoting issue described by Masem but I don't see that as a barrier personally. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Apart from this nomination being a lazy effort, this is only a press estimation. And even IF he had all the delegates, his nomination is not sure until he is elected at the convention. Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Notable part of the Ukraine-Russian conflict. Fairly high profile prisoner swap. Savchenko is an elected member of the Ukrainian parliament. Dramatic u-turn after long prison sentence. Bruzaholm (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - for a few reasons. First it's big national news, and it has garnered international interest as well. Second, four of the current five blurbs deal with prime ministers and presidents. I think it's preferable to feature different kinds of news as much as possible. Finally, the oldest blurb right now is over a week old. As with point 2, I think it's preferable to post something more recent. Banedon (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well, what 'Ramling Man' refer to as a "notability threshold" is sending ITN into total irrelevance. Right now 4 out of 5 entries are dedicated to presidents and prime ministers (two from the same country) and a constitutional referendum on presidential term limits (an article which is short as a stump). Maybe ITN should be renamed "Recently elected leaders" instead? -- Bruzaholm (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, 'Bruzaholm' you miss the point entirely. What I'm saying is that this story to me is not particularly newsworthy, and we should not lower our threshold just because we happen to have a certain number of a certain type of story on ITN right now. Mind you, some people would prefer an entirely empty ITN section because their threshold for inclusion is so high, yet sometimes they arbitrarily lower their threshold because they don't fancy the current make-up of the ITN section. Odd. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With respect that the suggested item doesn't fit 'Rambling Man's' subjective opinion of newsworthiness, my point is that the rules favor ITNR-topics such as natural disasters, elected and reelected political leaders, as well as various popular referendums. The Tadjik referendum is a great example of a topic that gains automatic elevation on those merits, although the article is very short and not very informative. No problem, but ITN should indeed have a name which better reflects the situation. However, my nomination was based on the item's own merits, not the fact that ITN happened to lack general newsworthiness for the time being. --Bruzaholm (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One person being repatriated to Ukraine in exchange for two people being repatriated to Russia is pretty small potatoes in a war that has taken thousands of lives and displaced hundreds of thousands. Ms. Savchenko may be hero (or heroine, if you prefer) to a number of Ukrainians, but she's not widely known outside the country. The exchange doesn't appear to signify a fundamental change in the overall situation. Sca (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd like to see ITNR removed or adjusted, feel free to make a proposal. It makes no difference at all to my opinion that this particular story is of little relevance and minor newsworthiness. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Ms. Savchenko is not well known outside the country, but that applies to most people that make the news. If you cover up the current ITN, can you name the President of Tajikstan? I do not think it's fair to say the exchange is "just" one person being repatriated in exchange for two as well. If you look at the article, Savchenko's conduct while on trial in Russia has led to all sorts of things, she e.g. got elected into parliament while being held in Russia. She is a very high profile case. Banedon (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any blurb mentioning Nadiya Savchenko but otherwise the swap seems not sufficiently notable. Prisoner swaps have been posted on the main page, with the last one I remember between Russia and the United States, but with a different and more neutral blurb without mentioning specific names (though the media then centred their attention on Anna Chapman). Anyway, the swap itself is not a very big deal.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:13, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
New satellite imagery from Stratfor appears to reveal the destruction of four Russian attack helicopters and 20 lorries at the Tiyas military airbase after a reported attack which was conducted last week by the ISIL. (BBC)
Reports claim that an Egyptian forensic official says that body parts recovered from EgyptAir flight 804 indicate that the crash was caused by an explosion. (Daily Mail)
Google's offices in central Paris are raided by French finance officials as part of a tax fraud investigation. Google is accused of owing €1.6bn ($1.8bn; £1.3bn) in unpaid taxes. (BBC)
Motorist Wahib Sadek Ahmed is arrested after he is accused of wielding a knife at a motorist. He is subdued after four taser shots. The FBI investigates after Sadek claim to be affiliated with a terrorist organization. His car is found to contain the knife and three guns, including an AK-47, and a loaded 45-caliber pistol. (CBSDFW local)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Oppose Systemic bias goes away when articles about non-Anglophone topics are improved to the same quality expected of Anglophone topics, not when we ignore major problems in articles. As noted by TRM, this article doesn't have the level of comprehensiveness we'd expect from a main-page worthy article. --Jayron3200:24, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on improvements clearly meets significance requirements. Naturally, systemic bias means that the average editor pays less attention to such topics. SSTflyer14:55, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Quality is now sufficient. Let's face it, it is difficult to source content when the subject lived through the Cultural Revolution. Good opportunity to feature non-Anglophone female topics. SSTflyer09:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready until fully cited. It has been expanded since TRM and Jayron noted the gap equal to the average lifespan of someone in a first world country. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SupportHarper Lee had a massive gap in her career but was posted at ITN on the same day when she died. That's systemic bias for you. The article in this case looks fine and there seems to be no good reason to delay when RD is so empty currently. Andrew D. (talk) 17:31, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It was hardly a 78-year gap, and as Muboshgu notes, the gap was mainly deliberate. Of course, if you want to get into the business of posting items, feel free to run at WP:RFA, it would be very instructive to see how that goes, particularly with regard to your (Personal attack removed) of fair use images. In any case, there's a consensus here, so all you need is an uninvolved admin to post the item. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support This is the bare minimum for front page IMO, giving it some credit it wouldn't get if there were more English language sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Look, you've proposed that the article should be posted on the main page. You're the one with the emotional investment to see it through. You can actually spend the time to fix the problems keeping it off the main page, or you can tease people and act foolish. It makes no difference to me which you choose to spend your time on, but only one activity will actually result in this getting posted. --Jayron3215:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Look, I'm asking if Rotten Tomatoes can be used to source the filmography. It wasn't a tease, it was a light-hearted attempt to get you out of your funk. If you want to get all stressed and narky about it, that's your problem, but as you can already see, I'm making some progress. It would be instructive if you could yay or nay the use of RT for inline citations of film appearances (like this for "Curse of the Fly"?). Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
imdb should be avoided wholecloth where possible to avoid the appearance of it being valid for thing for which it isn't. As it stands, here is a much more reliable source providing a filmography for Kwouk. GRAPPLEX10:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not entirely certain that this is the absolutely most helpful thing that you could have said at this particular point, TRM... Shall we leave it there for the purposes of this particular nom? BencherliteTalk (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 15:13, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm not sure. For some cases it seems to some that IMDB is just fine, for others not. Hence why I phrased it as a question. But sure, sayonara Bencher. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For something as benign as a filmography, IMDB is not an issue, as TRM has pointed out. It's when people reference the user-generated factoids in the trivia section that the verifiability becomes an issue. '''tAD''' (talk) 16:40, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
question someone want to ask what wikiproject film thinks? Daniel day Lewis (GA) and Phillip Seymour Hoffman (FA) have prose career sections with inline references, and tabular filmography sections without. Just FYI --107.77.233.25 (talk) 17:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the IP. Not to denigrate TRM's work (hunting refs is something I do more than writing (stilted) prose and a thankless task in comparison) but individually sourcing an article-linked filmography section is unnecessary even for FA/GA/DYK. I dislike seeing how "quality" here is arbitrarily instituting these inane "rules" for posting. Fuebaey (talk) 10:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Forget GA and DYK, requirements there are, well, special. As for FA, well I hope the people that review the unreferenced items follow the blue links and check they're referenced, as a minimum. Otherwise the FA fails WP:V. We shouldn't be chasing the lowest common denominator. Plus, my edits were in response to the opposition who asked for more references (just as I would have done in their position) and we are driven by community consensus, not "what happened in one particular FA/GA/DYK". The Rambling Man (talk) 14:23, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
However much I'd like to debate the applicability of WP:V and WP:BLP with you, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I would like to state though that I was referring to the filmography section, not the career section (which should be cited and also cover his filmography), and that one person does not make "community consensus". Fuebaey (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't one person, and as I said, I would include myself too in any case. Relying on blue links simply isn't the best approach. Just because one FA hasn't done the best it can, it doesn't mean we should all make a bodge of it. I'm happy to work on referencing and working on making each item standalone and not reliant on other articles whose quality is unknown. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
neutral leaning oppose. While referenced, the career section isn't prose so much as proseline. That's not quite enough to make me oppose (but it very nearly is, and I may revisit this later) but it's not of sufficient quality to get my support for a main page appearance. Thryduulf (talk) 20:05, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think I'm done really, 90% of the appearances (despite them all having their own article) are now referenced inline and the article has had a general tidy-up. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - sorry, but I don't see anything in the nomination or the article that suggests how he meets RD criteria. He is really only known for one role, (two if you're a Summer Wine fan), and doesn't seem to have won any awards. I don't feel that he can be considered a leading person in his field. Optimist on the run (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC) Struck oppose per comment below. Optimist on the run (talk) 14:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For one month RDs are to be judged on quality alone, in an attempt to avoid the protracted and usually nationalistic claims of super notability of one college basketball coach over another British sitcom actor... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The article may have received updates of May 22 and 23, mostly minor updates in prose. However, neither seems very impactful to the event marked as "ongoing". Of course, the event can be reinserted as just a blurb, but this is the removal proposal, i.e. delisting the event from Ongoing ticker. The ones in "Search and recovery efforts" discusses just an Egyptian submarine and a French boat scanning the possible crash area. The latest one in "Responses" is just a series of latest reactions that do very little effect to the event. The latest one in "Investigations" do not make the event meet the ITN ongoing standards, IMHO. George Ho (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is starting to slow down, but it is still receiving lots of updates and additional information is dripping out. It'll be worth reassessing this in a few days but for now it is still ongoing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now: still in the news, and updates are still substantive, with pertinent, new information from as new as yesterday being added. --Jayron3215:01, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Sri Lanka's Disaster Management Centre reports 92 people are confirmed dead with 109 people still missing from landslides and floods resulting from Roanu. More than 500,000 have been driven from their homes. (EconomyNext)
Bangladesh reports at least 26 deaths caused by drowning or homes collapsing with 500,000 evacuated during the storm. Maheshkhali Island officials are monitoring a badly damaged 17-mile stretch of mud embankment in danger of collapsing, allowing seawater to flood the communities. (The Weather Channel)(The Navhind Times)
Health officials are concerned about the spread of the Zika virus in Haiti, which suffered the worst epidemic of cholera in recent history following the deadly 2010 Haiti earthquake. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports there are 2,214 suspected cases as of April 23. But new research indicates the virus has been present since 2014. The actual infection rate remains unknown since the poor, densely populated nation lacks routine data systems that can track and document disease outbreaks. (AP)
Judge Barry Williams finds Baltimore, Maryland, Police Officer Edward Nero not guilty of all charges. Nero was accused of second-degree intentional assault, two counts of misconduct in office, and reckless endangerment. Community leaders and elected officials appeal for calm. (CNN)
DemocraticGovernor of VirginiaTerry McAuliffe is being investigated by federal prosecutors over campaign contributions, including a foreign contribution from a Chinese businessman, and what they consider to be "suspicious personal finances", as part of a public integrity probe that has lasted for more than a year, according to officials. The United States Department of Justice would not confirm or deny the investigation. (The Washington Post)
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Support, the article has been updated sufficiently regarding the results and their analysis. I think a blurb about DISY retaining their plurality (rather than the Anastasiades government, Anastasiades would hold power as an executive president regardless of the result) could be better though. --GGT (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's true. I intentionally omitted DISY as the party lost mandates and wasn't cited as a winner. On the other hand, mentioning the two mandates for far-right ELAM, as some news outlets did, seems WP:UNDUE as well. I added two altblurbs but am not overly happy with either of them, so feel free to join in with a better proposal. --PanchoS (talk) 06:50, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
altblurb3 is a good approach. I added yet another one. An admin should possibly chose one of the last two blurbs. --PanchoS (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please can we have (a) some news sources included in the nomination for us to read (b) at least one blurb free from grammatical errors (c) an article with more than just a one-sentence lead and (d) an article that is less opinionated ("Mere months before the 2016 legislative election...", "Papadopoulos had gone even further off the mark stating..."? Others may have further ideas. BencherliteTalk10:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Does the removal of term limits only apply to the current president, or to anyone who is president? The blurb suggests the former. 331dot (talk) 09:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why they would do that and change it to allow his son to run at 33 years old- but I digress and will say that I support posting as a notable change to their constitution. Given your reply I'm not actually sure the blurb needs to be changed. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Posted the article is barely above stub quality, but consensus is strong, so posted in the hope that we can get this expanded reasonably quickly. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] Binali Yıldırım appointed Turkish Prime Minister
Oppose for now. Needs some referencing improvement. Especially the following section: Education, Early political career, second paragraph of Member of Parliament, middle paragraph of Minister of Transport, Awards and Honors section. --Jayron3201:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added references to the parts stated. Awards and Honours section is already sourced. The source at the end of the first paragraph lists the universities. Nub Cake (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree. It doesn't have to be a result of an election. A blurb about the resignation of the Austrian Chancellor and the appointment of his successor is currently on the ITN. Nub Cake (talk) 14:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Nub Cake. "A blurb about the resignation of the Austrian Chancellor and the appointment of his successor is currently on the ITN". Can't put it any better. Banedon (talk) 14:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post one item just because we have posted other items in the same category of events. Each item is weighed on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but I'd still say that unless someone explains clearly what the difference between Austrian Chancellors and Turkish Prime Ministers are such that the former merits posting and the latter doesn't, then if we oppose posting this because of anything other than article quality issues, it would be a sign of systemic bias. It's up to ITN whether we want to embrace bias or fight it, and I personally think we should have a discussion on that; I do on a personal level feel we should fight bias however, and so I'm supporting. Banedon (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The fact that it wasn't an election is irrelevant. Most countries don't directly elect senior government officials, not a reason not to post. Fgf10 (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't want to formally say that I oppose this but the effect of this seems minimal; the PM is chosen by the President and as such must agree with his policies(in fact, the previous PM was dismissed forresigned due to disagreeing with Erodgan). The new PM has even suggested his role should be abolished de jure because Erodgan is already in charge de facto. 331dot (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support The senior leadership of the CCP (PRC) is not 'elected' by the wider public, so "it was not an election" is a No-go argument. And until Turkey formally moves to a Presidential system, this is ITN recurring material. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Regardless, it is a non-trivial consolidation of power in favor of Erdogan, and thru my lens it is clearly by no means an insignificant step in the path towards increased Authoritarianism, and possibly Totalitarianism in the Turksish 'Republic'. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Though Yıldırım won't be much more than a figurehead, he has been a key minister for years, and both his positive achievements and dark sides are remarkable. Apart from that, current developments in Turkey are very intensely covered in int'l media, and CaradhrasAiguo is right in noting that this is another important step towards authoritanism. We should also reward the main author of this contentwise awesome article, though I'd like to see more English-language sources, or at least translations of some of the more important sources' titles. Technically it's a bit early, as Yıldırım has not yet been confirmed by parliament, but it is beyond any doubt that he will be confirmed at the parliament's next session. --PanchoS (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I cannot, actually, determine whether or not this nomination should be ITNR. The criteria states that "heads of state" are ITNR, election or not, but that "heads of government" are not ITNR, election or not. The definition of Turkey's government, as noted on Wikipedia, the CIA and Turkey's own government webpage, is "parliamentary republic". This means the PM, as head of parliament, should be the most powerful person in the country, and if ITNR should have any correlation with impact, then surely heads of government should be ITNR for republics. Now, the difference between "state" and "government" is something of a Western conceit that Turkey (among others) is doing away with, and there's good reason to say that de facto power in this particular "parliamentary republic" actually does lie with the head of state, contrary to their assertions otherwise. The strictest reading of the ITNR criteria leads me to say that ITNR should not apply here, and this particular case seems to support that. But the fact that, for many countries on Earth, ITNR would cover the change in a mere figurehead, but not the person in charge of the actual functioning of the state and government strikes me as absurd, and surely this would have been considered when laying down the ITNR criteria.128.214.53.18 (talk) 07:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Voters in Vietnam go to the polls to choose legislators for its Parliament. The only legal party in the country is the Communist Party, which has already chosen its members. (AP)(Time)
Voters in Tajikistan go to the polls for a referendum to make various amendments to the constitution which include, among other things, the elimination of term limits to allow PresidentEmomali Rahmon and only him to run again for office and lowering the presidential age limit from 35 to 30, which observers believe will position Rahmon's son Rustam Emomali for future succession. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty)
Science
NASA projects that 2016 will have the warmest global temperature average on record. This year would be the third record-breaking year in a row. Per NOAA annals, April marked the 12th record warmest month in a row. (Scientific American)
[Closed] RD: Bata Živojinović
Stale, now that RD has three articles, two of which are more recent deaths than this one. No consensus to post. SSTflyer02:06, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Award-winning actor, should be notable enough even without trial run. Article needs more sourcing in Biography section though. EternalNomad (talk) 14:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative support, iconic actor. The article needs some more references, though. A couple of paragraphs are unreferenced (though there has been some improvement since the first time I checked). --Tone20:04, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Other than the "Illness and death section", has a grand total of two references, and discounting the section on his death and the list of films is so short as to be a substub. I don't expect everything to be an FA, but I do expect an article on a politician to have more than one sentence about their political positions and career. ‑ Iridescent20:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Noticed this tournament by chance. Has one line of prose. Needs some more prose (buildup, match summary, etc), if there are any ice hockey fans out there. Fuebaey (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More just a matter that this is actually not that major of a tournament, unlike the olympics, World Cup of Hockey or the Stanley Cup playoffs, which are also ongoing. It's an annual tournament that is mostly seen as secondary, as many of the world's best are too busy with their club teams to participate. Tends to be treated more significantly in continental Europe than anywhere else. Oh, and its annual, unlike the quadrennial World Cups in other sports, and even hockey.oknazevad (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Right now, 4 out of 5 ITN posts are about heads of government/state, and we need something that's not politics. This is ITN/R. Have added an altblurb, emphasizing the director (who actually receives the Palme, and Loach is one of very few directors to have won twice). Smurrayinchester08:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on length. A sum total of one sentence was added to each since both the film and award articles were nominated. For the film, I disagree that it is not a stub. I'd expect roughly 3 paragraphs on the film (lead, plot, production, reviews, etc) - it currently is half that and doesn't even meet the minimum length reqs for DYK. The award article should describe what happened at the festival - see the 2015 lead or the 2014 awards section. I don't really see a reason to highlight Loach's article; ITN/R is for the film, not the director. Fuebaey (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per Muboshgu. Opposers concerns about article length are unconvincing. This nomination, as noted, is ITN/R, and appears to be ready, so I am tagging it as such. Jusdafax04:58, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose where is the prose? The film article is very sparse and borderline acceptable I suppose, but the 2016 festival article is just a series of massive tables with 1-2 sentence introductions. ITN/R means that the event is automatically deemed notable enough to appear on ITN subject to an update of sufficient quality. Thryduulf (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: An exit poll has Hofer leading by less than two percent - within a margin of error. Result should be finalised tomorrow. Fuebaey (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yea probably, nor surprised at chicanery (a la French election a decade or so ago (what fun I had debating with my [black) French teacher (incidentally best, most neutral teacher ive ever had...spelled out her position and actually discussed with me at UVA) ;))Lihaas (talk) 22:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
comment point being, we don't determine "narrow" arbitrarily, reader can. And also mentioned party for context.Lihaas (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not just a close election but one with many implications for Europe, and within the scope of a turbulent time of Austrian politics. Maybe a merged blurb with new president and chancellor? That would also help with not having this blurb as a sea of blue which it is at the moment... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:47, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until official results are announced. Postal votes have yet to be counted. The official results are released on Monday so best to wait until then. See BBC article [1],
Added second alternative blurb in case Alexander Van der Bellen of the Greens is elected although I prefer the original blurb in case either candidate is elected. Capitalistroadster (talk) 06:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note about altblurb 2: Van der Bellen ran on an Independent ticket. So while it is true he is a Green party member, putting that in the blurb would imply that we won the election for that party, which would be incorrect. Zwerg Nase (talk) 13:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose image – Int'l media was only interested in Van Der Bellen as Hofer's opponent. With a president promising to continue the low-profile role of his predecessors, the lately appointed Chancellor clearly is the central figure in Austrian politics. --PanchoS (talk) 15:22, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support image. The head of state is more interesting to an international audience, and more recent. The narrow victory after a day of great uncertainty clearly is a major news story. --Tataral (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Recency is an argument, but why would a figurehead head of state be "more interesting to an international audience" than a powerful head of government? I'm not prejudiced against Van der Bellen, but while Hofer would have changed the political system of the Republic, it is very likely that the international audience won't ever hear about Van der Bellen again. The defeat of Hofer is the big news here, not Van der Bellen's victory. That's why I also strongly prefer altblurb3. --PanchoS (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think altblurb3 gives undue weight to the guy who lost the election. If Hillary Clinton wins the US presidential election, she will continue the legacy of Obama and many previous presidents and not really make any dramatic changes, as opposed to the American version of Norbert Hofer, Donald Trump, who has said he will persecute Muslims, build a wall and so on, and clearly have a more dramatic (in a negative way) impact on his country. But if Clinton wins the election, the blurb should focus on her and not Trump. --Tataral (talk) 17:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose per Fgf10. I barely saw international coverage on this, and the death + wounded toll is relatively small as well. Banedon (talk) 08:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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