::I fail to see how you could think that the largest demonstration in the history of French Guiana and the €1 billion offer are "small beer". By the way, Macron was apparently talking about the "ile de Cayenne", a phrase to refer to greater Cayenne, but that's anecdotal. What's not anecdotal are the big numbers.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 12:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
::I fail to see how you could think that the largest demonstration in the history of French Guiana and the €1 billion offer are "small beer". By the way, Macron was apparently talking about the "ile de Cayenne", a phrase to refer to greater Cayenne, but that's anecdotal. What's not anecdotal are the big numbers.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 12:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. New altblurb. The [[Guiana Space Centre]] has been occupied.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 09:36, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. New altblurb. The [[Guiana Space Centre]] has been occupied.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 09:36, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - disappointed about some of the knee-jerk opposes here, applying some mechanical and frankly, arbitrary criteria. This is the first time in many, many years international media are reporting about an event in French Guiana (other than a space launch). [[User:Abovesky|Abovesky]] ([[User talk:Abovesky|talk]]) 19:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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According to security sources, dozens of people are killed in an overnight attack in Tikrit by suspected ISIL militants. 31 bodies were taken to a hospital, according to a local doctor, while more continued to be found by morning. (Al Jazeera)
Two openly gay candidates are elected to the Anchorage Assembly, becoming the first openly LGBT elected officials in Alaska. Approximately 20 percent of the city's population voted, a notably low turnout. (LGBT Weekly)(Alaska Commons)
Bertha, once the world's largest tunnel boring machine, completes its 9,270-foot-long (2,830 m) tunnel under Seattle, Washington, after four years of digging and a lengthy delay near the beginning of the project. (Wired)
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The final indignity? The Guardian link posted above still remains uncorrected. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It's hard to imagine the BBC making a bigger faux pas after the recent controversy over Matthew's tenure. Sorry to soapbox. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is why people accuse reliable sources of being fake news.--WaltCip (talk) 14:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, although this seems to have been a genuine mistake. All media outlets can make mistakes, even "really popular" ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Sadly, the list isn't of particularly high quality. It doesn't even have a subsection as it is now. I'd rather not link it in the blurb, unless if it is significantly improved. ~Mable (chat) 18:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As the Tim Berners-Lee article already adequately addresses the work which earned him the award, and Berners-Lee has so many awards dedicating a whole paragraph to this latest one would be undue weight, I would say that the current update to the article to adequate, and therefore this story can be posted now. --LukeSurltc 15:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Berners-Lee's article and the corresponding award list article for him look well sourced, and ready to go. --MASEM (t) 18:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support – ITN/R, interesting, and just generally no question. Article looks good. ~Mable (chat) 18:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Better late than never. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Picture added. --Jenda H. (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Would be one of the deadliest chemical attacks in Syria since the civil war began Sherenk1 (talk) 11:37, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an adequate article is shaping up around this incident. The nature of this act of war (chemical weapons) heightens the notability of the incident with multiple deaths. Blurb proposed which incorporates the inevitable equivocation that is needed regarding such incidents. --LukeSurltc 16:39, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a significant escalation in the conflict and the article is in decent shape. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support No brainer as a extreme event in the Syrian war, details seem a little light but the basis is there for posting. --MASEM (t) 18:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Worst chemical attack in Syria since 2013. Very significant event.StrikeDog (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support "Alleged" is a bit weird, though. Who did it is alleged (and denied), but someone gassed someone. Or no? InedibleHulk(talk) 19:39, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
"Alleged" might work after all. If a factory housing chemicals was bombed, and the bombers didn't know it housed chemicals, it's a bit of a stretch to call it a "chemical attack", even though the results are the same. InedibleHulk(talk) 21:19, April 4, 2017 (UTC)
Support. Please drop the word "alleged". -SusanLesch (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's probably the correct approach. When I wrote the blurb some hours ago the situation was less clear. --LukeSurltc 19:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment article seems to omit the fact that the clinics treating the affected were also subsequently attacked. That seems like a pretty significant oversight to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment More than 120 people were killed, mostly children, this incident caused by Bashar al-Assad, the death toll likely to rise--عدنان حليم (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I suggest removing the part about the kids. It's not attack on a playground or a school. Highlighting the number of kids seems a bit sensationalizing. --PFHLai (talk) 00:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I only decided to use it since we did for the mudslide as well. If ya'll find it to be a problem though, feel free to reverse. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 00:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Update – AP puts death toll at 72, quotes UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights saying 20 children and 17 women among them. Sca (talk)
PS: Coverage I've seen quotes analysts as saying the agent was very probably Sarin. Suggest at least replacing "chemical attack" with poison gas attack. Sca (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A mother and two children drown after their car plunges into the flooded Tweed River, raising the death toll to eight people. A ten-year-old girl escapes and alerts authorities. (News.com.au)
Russian authorities arrest more than 100 gay men in Chechnya, including television personalities and religious figures, for "nontraditional sexual orientation." The Novaya Gazeta newspaper reported that three of the arrested men have been killed, while others reportedly were released for family honor killing. Chechen Republic leaderRamzan Kadyrov's spokesperson said this report contains “absolute lies and disinformation” since there are no homosexuals in Chechnya. (The Guardian)(The New York Times)
Media reports indicate that former National Security AdvisorSusan Rice improperly requested the unmasking of some American names, including those of Donald Trump's campaign staff, that had been incidentally collected during national security investigations. A National Security Adviser may request unmasking if specific criteria are met. A Rice associate denies that the unmasking was improper. (Fox News)(Business Insider)(The Blaze)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Veteran Indian classical vocalist - Vivvt (Talk) 04:22, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
[Posted] NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Tournaments
POSTED
If anyone wants this, or anything else, to be removed from ITN/R then a proposal must be made at WT:ITN/R. Anything other than a clearly-worded proposal there will result in no change to the status quo. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Okay, it's that time again. The NCAA basketball tournaments, a.k.a. "March Madness" (most of the tourney was in March). It was posted in 2014, 2015, and 2016. Arguments for: the NCAA basketball tournament is a significant institution in the United States, major event drawing millions of viewers and billions of dollars. Oppose votes: people denying the importance of college sports in the U.S., noting that it's not the highest level competition (it is lower tiered than the NBA, but the merits of the tourney outweigh the demerits) and the complaints that nobody outside of the U.S. cares, which is against ITN protocol of not opposing because an item relates to only one country, or fails to relate to any country. Past discussions are here: (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016) This year's women's tournament had a major storyline in Mississippi State ending UConn's 111 game winning streak. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Arguments for: it's on WP:ITN/R. No further notability discussion required. --LukeSurltc 20:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh it is? It is. And I'm the one who started the thread suggesting it be added to ITN/R. Thanks for the reminder. I think we may need to discuss the women's tourney though, since that's not part of ITN/R. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree that the women's tournament will need to be discussed; they are separate tournaments that have games in different locations. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support including women's tournament then. An equivalent tournament to the ITNR item in importance to its sport. Easy to do a combined blurb and it would be conspicuous by its absence if omitted. --LukeSurltc 21:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment fix the typos and the links and perhaps we can talk about this. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Who cares? Nobody has ever heard of this outside the USA, and we are not USApedia. We are also not ESPN. I think it should be removed from ITN/R.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one." I invite you to review the discussion that resulted in this event's posting to the ITNR list to learn more about why it merits a place there. If you wish to reopen that can of worms, you know where the talk page is. Until it is removed, this will be posted once adequately updated. 331dot (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is not worth my time. I am just stating the obvious fact that nobody outside the United States of America has ever heard of this or do they care or have time for it. It will make the main page of Wikipedia look like an American--not global--website, which is unfortunate. But if the consensus among American basketball superfans is to post this, so be it. I rest my case on this. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think with that attitude, you're 100% right, it's not worth your time. This entry has been discussed many times and many intelligent arguments for and against its posting have been included in those discussions. I'm not sure how much your contribution will modify those thoughts, but thanks for resting your case. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:40, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To Zigzig20s: Indeed. Right now there is nothing on ITN from America, but we would look too American? I'm not a basketball fan, but I recognize the importance of this and the reasons it is on the ITNR list. It's too bad you aren't willing to learn more about this. 331dot (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is not important--perhaps the advertising revenue is. This reminds me of Chomsky's realization that he didn't care about his high school football team. Anyway, I have a pro-polo bias (a truly international sport). But have fun posting this.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, ITN/R so will get posted, but I think it's time that all college-level sport (and yes, that includes the Boat Race) got removed from ITN/R, they're simply all too parochial. No-one cares about whatever this is outside the US, no-one cares about the Boat Race outside the UK/Commonwealth - and to be honest most of the UK doesn't care about it - no-one cares about college baseball outside the US, and so on. Let's stick with sporting events that are actually notable outside their own country. I'm not talking here about the Superbowl, or the Premier League, or the Primera Liga, or the IPL - they get a lot of worldwide coverage in mainstream sources. But it's about time we tidied this sort of thing up. Black Kite (talk) 22:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also from above: "Please don't oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)." – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite: If postings were limited to events with international reach, very little would be posted here. I've never understood why people seem afraid to learn something about things that they aren't familiar with. "Too parochial" is just another way of saying WP:IDONTLIKEIT. This does get coverage, and has international players- among the many other reasons this made the ITNR list. 331dot (talk) 22:24, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't oppose it. There's no point since it's ITN/R (although it does need some work to be posted). I was making a general point. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
" most of the UK doesn't care about it " well I can't think of another sporting event which draws 250,000 spectators, and television audiences of in excess of 5 million in the UK alone seems to refute that claim. If it wasn't interesting outside the UK, why so many foreign broadcasts? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since no-one has paid attention. Fix the typos and links in the proposed links, then maybe we can talk. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point out these issues more specifically? They are big articles and while I fixed a few red links, I'm not sure they're the links you're referring to. I didn't see any typos, but again, large articles. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:30, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb has "touranment" and links to the women's when it should link to the men's. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would support if the articles were up to scratch as significant sporting events. However, large parts of both articles are unreferenced so I will currently oppose. Capitalistroadster (talk) 05:11, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support including women's tournament in accordance with our usual principle of including both men's and women's versions of the same event when they take place at the same time (see WP:ITNSPORTS). I suggest the ITN/R entry should also be amended to accord with this principle. Neljack (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support including women's tournament. I see no major issues with either article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose flatly. I realize this is on ITN/R. I also realize this is a wasted vote to oppose the article on the basis of notability. However, if WP:IAR has taught us anything, it's that we cannot simply discount !votes on the basis of opposition to procedures, as has been proven with the RD criteria. In terms of notability, this simply does not compare to other sports on the ITN/R listing.--WaltCip (talk) 12:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While I appreciate genuine interest, this is a niche level for the main page, as there are higher-tier competitions, like NBA or World Basketball Championship. As such I disagree with it's ITNR inclusion. It could be posted if some record or other extraordinary stuff happens, but not on regular basis. Brandmeistertalk 13:44, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is ready. TRM's oppose was correct in that I mislinked the game vs. tournament articles. The other !opposes are all WP:IDONTLIKEIT and too bad for them. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:53, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: We need an article that will be developed as more information is revealed. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:42, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Article has been created, I've updated the template. This is obviously notable. --LukeSurltc 12:50, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. I think we need more information first.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait It's a stub. This is almost certain to be posted but it needs expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - article is coming along nicely, should be ready in a few hours. Mjroots (talk) 13:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Clearly going to be posted at some point, but let's make sure we have the details in place. It looks like they found an unexploded device elsewhere in the system, so that might affect the naming of the article for example. --MASEM (t) 13:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support – in principle, pending development of article. (AP added as source above.) Sca (talk) 14:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - A few more hours, and this article will be finalized. FiendYT★ 14:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks ready to post. Will be improved as more info comes out. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I didn't use the suggested photo, as it is rather small and isn't directly related to the event. Dragons flight (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Posted blurb says "at least ten", so it is not wrong. Mjroots (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Curiously, when I originally posted this, I did write 11 (after checking the wiki article and making it match). I'm curious why someone felt it was ever necessary to reduce it to 10? Dragons flight (talk) 21:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results coming in. The Republican Party of Armenia has definitely won with just shy of 50% of votes. Seat numbers so far unclear, and the seat-allocating system seems quite complicated. Reports are equivocal about whether the Republican party will have enough seats for government without a coalition partner. LukeSurltc 11:28, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Results are apparently tabulated, but there is no prose update. Results in table conflict with results presented in lede. Article suffers from a common and annoying problem of putting WP:UNDUE weight on pre-election polling.128.214.163.169 (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Full official results are yet to come in, however it looks like Lenin Moreno will narrowly win but his opponent is alleging fraud. LukeSurltc 08:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Results for both the President and National Assembly are included, as well as some commentary regarding the voting and counting itself, and a link to a related referendum. Being a periodic election after the mundane completion of a Presidential and Assembly term, I don't think further commentary about the issues of the election is necessary. Speculation about what this means for particular media-exposed non-nationals also doesn't seem appropriate.128.214.163.169 (talk) 08:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Vučić has declared victory and is well ahead in exit polls, in a significant election for head of state of a populous country. Neegzistuoja (talk) 08:12, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Neegzistuoja: All elections for head of state have been deemed notable enough to post on ITN(being on the ITNR list) regardless of the population of the country. 331dot (talk) 11:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral – The article's quality is the only thing that could be holding such a blurb back, and right now I'm not sure if this article is up to par. There's awfully little prose in it. ~Mable (chat) 13:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is an inflated stub and doesn't cover the pertinent issues in any detail at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article states that several polling stations will re-vote on the 11th as a consequence of possible fraud. Electin is thus not over, even if there's no chance for the winner to change. Suggest close and re-nominate after re-vote.128.214.163.169 (talk) 08:18, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If the winner isn't going to change, I don't think there is a reason to delay posting this(assuming a quality update, which there hasn't been yet). It would only be delayed if it was a full second round(which seems likely in the upcoming French presidential election). 331dot (talk) 08:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A bus carrying around 50 school children rolls over on a highway south of Sveg in the northern region of Härjedalen, Sweden, killing three people. (Reuters)
Law and crime
An attack occurs at a Sufi shrine near Sargodha, Pakistan, killing more than 20 people. Authorities arrest a main suspect and several others. (BBC)
Voters in Ecuador return to the polls for the second round of a presidential election, which Lenín Moreno of the socialist PAIS Alliance is predicted to narrowly win over the center-right Creating Opportunities's Guillermo Lasso. With 94.18% of the votes counted, Moreno leads with 51.07%. According to the national election commission, it was a transparent and successful election. (SBS News)(TeleSUR)
Nominator's comments: Focus on the social unrest in French Guiana. The article could be expanded (there are articles in The New York Times, etc.). Open to other blurb suggestions. Zigzig20s (talk) 07:19, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is a stub, article is very poorly written, events seem to have started two weeks ago and the latest update here seems to be from about five days ago, so stale as well. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:35, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong! April 2 was yesterday.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, it's a translation, as the edit summary makes quite clear. You can rephrase/expand it if you want.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:24, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't mention anything happening since March 28, which is what TRM means. Nothing is mentioned as happening on April 2; the fact that some information was added to the article on April 2 doesn't mean that it's still fresh. BencherliteTalk 09:54, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK I've added the dates.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Still oppose. This doesn't appear to be seriously significant. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:41, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is too minor. Like with Northern Ireland and the UK, French Guiana "isn't even a country". Banedon (talk) 01:30, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's a huge, massive landmass, with a major international space center. Not comparable to Northern Ireland by any stretch of the imagination I'm afraid!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:15, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's "not comparable" because it has less than 1⁄7 the population of Northern Ireland. Just to put these protests in perspective, if the entire adult population of French Guiana turned up to a protest, the gathering would still only be the size of a respectably-large sports crowd elsewhere in South America. ‑ Iridescent 13:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree because the emphasis is on $$--and I'm afraid Northern Ireland is infinitesimal. Another US satellite launch scheduled for April 25 was just postponed. This is an international story now.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I can't agree with Iridescent because we don't have population limits on things like elections either. However I am not convinced that this is significant. Whatever else French Guiana may be, it's still only a part of France. We have French Guiana - and only French Guiana - protesters protesting against their government, which makes it an issue internal to France. I opposed the Northern Ireland nomination as well as too minor. Banedon (talk) 01:02, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The points above are missing the issue; protesters have rejected a billion euros in aid (or roughly 4000€/head). The concerns about staleness are unwarranted. The demand for more money came yesterday. This is significant because of the rarity of a protest movement rebuffing a cash offer, and because this has become an issue in continental French politics. The amount that the protesters are demanding is significant; comparing as a proportion of taxes collected this would be the equivalent of $20 billion in the US or more than £3 billion in the UK, all spent on fewer people than live in Lubbock, TX or Southampton, UK.128.214.163.208 (talk) 07:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question what's "missing the issue" about a stale article? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:54, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The event under discussion happened on 2 April. That's not an edit on 2 April about something that happened in March; the protesters rejected the offer and made demands yesterday and the day before.128.214.163.208 (talk) 07:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon? When I made the comment, the last update within the article was on 28 March. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's just that I hadn't spelled out the specific dates, but it was all in the sources. Anyway, problem solved. I even added more info from yesterday earlier. Looks like it's "in the news" to me...Zigzig20s (talk) 11:00, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of Francophones on strike? Most unusual. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The USDS has advised US citizens not to visit and international rocket launches have been postponed. So yes, this is extremely unusual.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite minor, and it appears that these people have violently protested several times in the past, e.g. for autonomy, so it's not unusual. I don't see this mentioned, even in passing, in the French Guiana or History of French Guiana articles either. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:16, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
28 March saw the largest demonstration in the history of French Guiana.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:28, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's now mentioned in those two articles as well.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:37, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Protests usually need a defining moment for ITN to latch onto. Delayed satellite launches and protester/government back-and-forth is pretty small beer, so far. Maybe best to let this develop and see if a moment like that happens. I would like to thank the nominator for bringing this to ITN, because without it I would have never learned that the likely next French president believes that Guiana is an island and doesn't even know the geography of the country he's going to govern, lol128.214.163.159 (talk) 12:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see how you could think that the largest demonstration in the history of French Guiana and the €1 billion offer are "small beer". By the way, Macron was apparently talking about the "ile de Cayenne", a phrase to refer to greater Cayenne, but that's anecdotal. What's not anecdotal are the big numbers.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:47, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - disappointed about some of the knee-jerk opposes here, applying some mechanical and frankly, arbitrary criteria. This is the first time in many, many years international media are reporting about an event in French Guiana (other than a space launch). Abovesky (talk) 19:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] [Posted] 163rd Boat Race and 72nd Women's Boat Race
There is nothing further to be gained from keeping this open. This is on the ITNR list. It's survived attempts to remove it. We don't limit postings to events with international reach. This isn't going anywhere at this time. 331dot (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: An important and magnificent occasion. Having taken place since before many countries were even founded, this race between the world's greatest universities is watched by hundreds of thousands, with hundreds of millions more watching on television. Despite annual cries of jealousy from some of those having no relationship to the universities, and confusion and misunderstanding from some of our colonial friends, the Boat Race remains the pinnacle of amateur sport and a much loved event in British society. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 14:31, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator. It should be noted that ITNR only includes 'The Boat Race', which is the men's (main) race. I presume we also want to include the women's race, but others might think differently because it has nowhere near the same prestige. The same goes for the Reserve Boat Race and the Women's Reserve Boat Race: do we want these included? 87.210.99.206 (talk) 14:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on the merits is not required since this is ITNR. Last year we posted the men's and women's, but not the reserves, which I think is the right thing to do. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but ITNR only includes 'The Boat Race'; that is, not the women's race. That is why there is a bit of ambiguity. I'd be supportive either way. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 14:44, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd need to look but I think we are simply trying to avoid instruction creep. If the women's event occurred on a different day or in a different place, it might need to be listed separately, but these races are basically one event. The reserves, though, are a second tier and shouldn't be mentioned. 331dot (talk) 14:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It depends how you see it. Up until a couple of years ago, the women's race was on a different day in a different place. It certainly would not get on ITNR on its own merits (and there are very strong arguments for its also being 'second tier'). However, do we want to be more fair, even if we are pushing ITNR rules? I'm open-minded here and would be interested to hear what others think. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 14:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support only the men/women's race, with the usual expectation that the race article will be up to par once the race is completed. Judging by the coverage of the Reserves races in previous years, it's like the Pro Bowl to the Super Bowl - of nearly no importance to the big major event. --MASEM (t) 18:43, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As the article that should be bolded (The Boat Races 2017) covers both races, and it's very simple to cover both in the blurb, that's the better approach. --LukeSurltc 18:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Following the suggestions above, I have changed the first and third blurbs to include The Boat Races 2017. The second blurb involves just the Boat Race (exactly what is listed on ITNR) and is unchanged. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 19:37, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Despite annual cries of jealousy from some of those having no relationship to the universities, and confusion and misunderstanding from some of our colonial friends". Really? Sigh. Black Kite (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Since the event hasn't occurred, we cannot judge the quality of the update. When we have prose describing the results of the event, we can assess it. --Jayron32 20:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CommentWP:ITN/R#Sports notes "Every entry applies to the conclusion of the men's and women's events (when simultaneous) in the tournament or series, unless otherwise specified." which was added by consensus last year. The men's and women's boat races will both take place on the same course tomorrow (closer together than the Wimbledon finals for example), and so both races are on ITN/R. Thryduulf (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is rather misleading. The same link explicitly uses the term 'The Boat Race' to describe what is included in ITNR. 'The Boat Race' is a single (men's) race: it does not include the women's race. This might be taken to be 'otherwise specified'. It is certainly nowhere near as clear-cut as you claim. If it should be, I would suggest a change to the page. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the event is now referred to as "The Boat Races" and that includes both men's and women's senior races. The term "The Boat Race" is now deprecated and refers to only historical events. "The Boat Races" also happens to include Goldie/Isis and Blondie/Osiris these days, but common sense should prevail, and we should post the winners of both the men's and women's senior race. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is it worth updating WP:ITNR to make this clear, then? What concerns me is that previous discussion has always focused on the Boat Race: do we have consensus for adding the women's race there, too? Either way, thank you for your incredible help with these articles! 87.210.99.206 (talk) 23:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In reply to my own comment, rather than just making the change to ITNR, I have made a post on the discussion page for the change to be made. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm sure it'll be updated soon after the conclusion of the race, but if not, then I'll make sure it's up to scratch by about 10:00 p.m. (my time) tomorrow evening. Having said that, it might not even be rowed tomorrow so we'll have to see. Hopefully people can see that from the work done thusfar, the article (like its predecessors) will be complete, comprehensive (and featured, as it happens) and ready for ITN as soon as practicable. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As discussed above, at the moment, ITNR only includes 'The Boat Race' (that is, the main (men's) race). There seems to be support for including the women's race, too. I have made a suggestion at the ITNR discussion page so we can get this cleared up for next year. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Already this has reached an obvious support. I have closed in favour and changed the ITNR entry to make it clear that both races should be included. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 08:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No offence, but you seem to be the only person confused about this point.
a) Several editors above have pointed out that the preface to WP:ITNSPORTS applies here.
b) That preface was added almost a year ago after the 2016 Boat Race nomination and the resultant WT:ITNR discussion. One would think then that it would apply to the same nom the following year.
c) The pseudo-proposal you started on WT:ITNR with only two other participants, who both re-stated a), which you closed with your own opinion in 40 minutes, was pretty much splitting hairs.
The race still hasn't even started yet, let alone finished. No race = no update = no post. That there are no news sources attached to this nomination emphasises this. Other than ITN morphing into a future events portal, no amount of meta discussion is going to get this posted any quicker. Fuebaey (talk) 15:38, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Even if the preface to ITNSPORTS applies, ITNR only listed a single event: 'The Boat Race'; that is, the main (men's) race. There is clear consensus to include the women's race, too. ITNR has now been updated to include both events. You should thank me instead of failing to grasp the logic. As for having this posted, it will be updated and posted very soon. As it stands, ITNR has been improved and the nomination is ready for this important event. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 15:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The Boat Races 2016 is a featured article, so a good reference for editors updating The Boat Races 2017. Thought it's also worth noting we don't need to be at or near featured status before posting to ITN. --LukeSurltc 16:18, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations Oxford! Another terrific race between the two greatest universities. 87.210.99.206 (talk) 17:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Disruptive 'I don't like it' comment: this event has been chosen by Wikipedia editors to be part of ITNR
Oppose an intercollegiate rowing event is more important than the Bulgarian general election? And needs to be nominated by an IP? No. I don't think so. This ould never be nominated on any other edition of WP. μηδείς (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Struck comment that has no place here (the event is part of ITNR). 17:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Marked as ready. Mjroots (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed it and am formally stating oppose to it until it gets updated and/or there is an actual consensus to post. Also unstriking comment; if μηδείς wants to amend their post, they can. An uninvolved admin can assess a relevant consensus otherwise. A nominator striking comments they dislike doesn't come off very well. Fuebaey (talk) 17:53, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not yet ready, The_Boat_Races_2017#Races is not updated adequately yet. Neither however should we be bogged down with notability questions on this, the place for that is WT:ITN/Rat any other time of the year other than when the item is "active". --LukeSurltc 19:15, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've done some edits and the infobox and The_Boat_Races_2017#Races has the basic information. The article could be argued to be ready in its current state. The_Boat_Races_2016#Races shows it's possible to a lot more. --LukeSurltc 19:32, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support the basic information for each of the two races is in place, the article has be edited for tense issues, I will continue to expand it of course but there's nothing technically holding this back from posting to the main page now. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Disruptive 'I don't like it' comment: this event has been chosen by Wikipedia editors to be part of ITNR
Oppose. Fairly trivial sporting event; not a major occasion. Not ITN worthy. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Midnightblueowl: This is on the recurring items list, which is why it was posted, and it has survived attempts to remove it. I would suggest reviewing the discussions regarding it to learn why this is a significant event in rowing and merits a place on the list. In short, it is a unique cultural event drawing hundreds of thousands to watch it live and millions on TV- aside from being significant to rowing itself(even more so than the world championships). 331dot (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Disruptive 'I don't like it' comment: this event has been chosen by Wikipedia editors to be part of ITNR
Strongly oppose I like how you jerks in January justified not having the NCAA Men's Football Championship being here by saying The Boat Race shouldn't be here either, then turn around and list it. If it's regional to you, and it is, then it shouldn't be on the Main Page. Regards, — MoeEpsilon 16:47, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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A landslide in Colombia's southwestern border department of Putumayo sends mud and debris crashing onto houses killing over 250 people and injuring at least 400 others. In addition, 200 people are missing. (Hindustan Times)(Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: A veteran of civil rights and race relations in the UK. Article looks good. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support good to go, article is in very good shape. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, any ADMINS OUT THERE? 17 hours later!!!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. (Edit conflict). Normally one would await more than two supports before posting, but there is no opposition, and TRM is correct about the time factor. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, and I think some of us non-admins are still capable of judging the quality of an article for suitability for posting too. Two supports for an RD isn't needed, zero supports is fine as long as the posting admin can judge quality. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:04, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would have supported posting this but missed looking at the page during the nomination. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Article needs a bit of sourcing work but is close. MASEM (t) 19:48, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Highlights section is unreferenced but article doesn't need it in my view. Support if cleaned up. Capitalistroadster (talk) 20:19, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose most of the article is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:37, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Referencing a has improved, but Legacy section still needs work.128.214.163.169 (talk) 08:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion Definitely a significant disaster for ITN but we have only a few sentences in this article, needs expansion. --MASEM (t) 20:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion - Significant. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:03, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion - Please do add this section should we get a little more information. 250 people dead so far [1] so very important. Ravivyas16 13:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support on expansion, notable tragedy. Someone needs to add to the article. --AmaryllisGardenertalk 17:14, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – No-brainer for posting; I'm presently working on expanding the article. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:32, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Made significant expansions to the article and it should be ready for posting now. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:34, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Definitely ITN material and the article looks acceptable. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Russian poet, also a novelist, essayist, dramatist, screenwriter, publisher, actor, editor and director of several films. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Films section unreferenced. --Jayron32 20:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose more than that, awards unreferenced, several paragraphs in the bio unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Referencing is lacking in honors and bibliography. Would support if this is cleaned up. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do they have ISBNs in Russia? We may be asking for too much if we expect the same standards for foreign RDs.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes they do. It's called an International Standard Book Number for a reason :)--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"The initial ISBN configuration of recognition was generated in 1967 ..." I think it may have been typically used only later in Russia. So the first editions of all his earlier works won't have one. I think a single source, that lists all of an author's works, is generally acceptable, provided it's a WP:RS. Items not in the list should be separately sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the honours are supported at Евтушенко, Евгений Александрович [ru], with Russian language sources. But that article is currently under full protection and I do not have a ru.wiki account. Ideally a Russian speaker would need to check the sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:24, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So, it's possible to copy them all across. Is it adequate to rely on translate.google.co.uk to validate their content? If not, we'll be no further forward. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In the absence of any response, I have gone ahead and copied across. Most of the awards and honours are now sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks notable and I see lots of references.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:37, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(a) it's notable for RD because it has an article. (b) it's not about "lots of references", it's about everything that could be challenged being referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have no intention to challenge anything! I don't speak Russian, so I can't add more sources anyway. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 06:59, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: The demonstrations occurred due to a constitutional amendment that would permit President Horacio Cartes to run for re-election, a move described by the opposition as "a coup." 45.116.233.50 (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Was just coming here to nominate this. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Officials state that repairs will take months following a fire that collapsed a bridge on Interstate 85 in Atlanta, Georgia. Police arrest three individuals in connection with the disaster, charging two with criminal trespass and one with first degree criminal damage. (WSB TV)
International relations
At a NATO meeting, German foreign ministerSigmar Gabriel rejects as "quite unrealistic" the belief that Germany would spend 2% of GDP on the military. He says other spending such as development aid should be taken into account. (BBC)
Some individuals set the Congress of Paraguay on fire. The attack occurs during a protest against a bill that would let the president seek re-election. (BBC)
Women's basketball Mississippi State defeats four-time defending national champion Connecticut 66–64, ending the Huskies' NCAA-record winning streak at 111 games. (AP via ESPN)
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Support. For what's a top twenty list of Pop art icons without his name on it? That would be a total fail. --Bagoto (talk) 00:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is fine. Pictures have been a snagging point for RD noms lately.128.214.163.208 (talk) 06:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support too many external links but article content is satis. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I've asked someone who may have one to upload it, but haven't heard back yet. By the way, we are citing his own website in three instances, which should be avoided. Is there a way to replace this with an RS please?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:27, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Only one instance now. Perhaps we could just remove the sentence?Zigzig20s (talk) 06:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Cyclist extraordinaire, died near completion of extreme marathon event while in 2nd place. Kevin McE (talk) 16:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mostly unreferenced or abuse of external links interwoven inline into the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:31, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose at the moment due to referencing issues. If referencing issues are fixed, I will support. Capitalistroadster (talk)
Support, seems well referenced. Don't see any abuse. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A fire results in the collapse of a bridge on Interstate 85 in Atlanta, Georgia, during rush hour, stranding motorists and resulting in a state of emergency. Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed calls the situation a "transportation crisis" that could close the affected stretch of highway for days or weeks. A 2015 report stated that the highway carried nearly a quarter-million vehicles a day. (NBC News)
The state legislature of North Carolina repeals the Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, more commonly known as the "transgender bathroom bill." In its place, the legislature enacts a ban on cities in North Carolina from enacting "civil rights" protections for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people through 2020. (Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: Major infrastructure failure, called a "transportation crisis" by the city's mayor – Muboshgu (talk) 18:17, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nomination. This is far too trivial for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Infrastructural disasters happen all the time. And considering how little money and resources the U.S. federal government is willing to allocate to improve infrastructure, this should come as no surprise; incidents of this sort in the U.S. are likely to be more frequent overtime as are mass shootings.--WaltCip (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the UK had a trivial traffic incident like this six months back, it's a big deal to the people inconvenienced but nothing more. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Relatively minor accident due to a fire; no casualties. 331dot (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Given the lack of any injuries even related to the collapse, this is not a severe incident (compared to something like I-35W Mississippi River bridge's collapse that killed 14). --MASEM (t) 19:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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[Closed] Falcon 9 reused
No consensus. Stephen 01:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Needs a better-worded blurb in my opinion, the current one makes it seem like it's something internal to SpaceX. Targetting SES-10 is also possible. Banedon (talk) 03:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Top news in BCC Science section. Starts the age of reusable rockets. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:38, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The blurb needs to be reworded. With the current wording, why is it so important that this type of rocket was reused? Is it not a first for any type? LordAtlas (talk) 07:01, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments It is not clear to me why the partial re-use of a rocket is significant in the field of space exploration, and the article was no help in this regard, despite being overly detailed and quite long. I had to click on another article linked within, also very detailed and long, to find a partial answer. Additionally, I found the article to be jargon loaded, e.g. "They were equipped with parachutes but SpaceX was not successful in recovering the stages from the initial test launches using that approach due to their failure to survive post separation aerodynamic stress and heating". The update is two sentences long. I don't think readers are going to read through ca. 22,000(!) words, so the blurb really needs to get across why this is in ITN.128.214.163.211 (talk) 10:53, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not notable. Not 'In the News' enough. Rocket launches happen all the time. If this is posted on ITN section, it will open a floodgate of other rocket launch ITN candidates. mfarazbaig --mfarazbaig 19:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think you've missed the crux of the story, that the booster is reusable. If it was simply a reusable space vehicle, I'd be with you, e.g. Space Shuttle. But it's more than that. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think I'll need to weakly oppose. I'm a lifelong space enthusiast so I understand what a momentous achievement this was, and that the implications for the future of spaceflight are difficult to overstate. That said, I don't think the general interest is there outside of the industry and its followers. From what I've seen, the response from the general public has ranged from "so what?" among those who know nothing about rocketry, and "didn't NASA already do that decades ago?" from those who know just slightly more than that. I'm afraid that fleshing out the blurb enough to give the layperson any idea of why this is significant will result in an unwieldy and convoluted spiel not suitable for ITN. I'm willing to be persuaded if someone can craft a satisfactory blurb and/or indicate somehow that this story has adequately broad appeal. – Juliancolton | Talk 20:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I agree, it's incremental, not some kind of revolution in space exploration technology. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, but landing one back on the launch pad rather than it falling into the sea for recovery certainly is. Black Kite (talk) 14:07, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Described by NY Times as a step closer to a dictatorship in Venezuela, and condemned as a coup by many. EternalNomad (talk) 21:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose latter sections entirely unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support major unexpected development with serious consequences. International reactions are coming in as well as domestic ones. I've expanded National_Assembly_(Venezuela)#Removal_of_powers to hopefully an adequate length. Note that this is an effective but not literal dissolution, so the altblurb should be used. --LukeSurltc 22:24, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TRM. No citations in the "1961 Constitution", "1999 Constitution", "Structure and Powers" sections, additional cites needed for the "Political composition" section. Improve those issues and I would support this. --Jayron32 00:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per LukeSurl. To quote the CNN article, "The ruling sent shock waves across the region. The Peruvian government broke off diplomatic relations with Venezuela over the matter, recalling Mariano López Chávarry, its ambassador to Caracas". Banedon (talk) 00:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per LukeSurl on importance. Quality isn't there yet. (Would probably argue that this deserves a separate article.) Ed[talk][majestic titan] 01:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TRM/Jayron, only on article quality. This is clearly something that should be at ITN, but the article needs a lot of fixing up, and following Ed, perhaps should be a separate article in the long-term (though that make take a lot more time). --MASEM (t) 02:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support after fixing article - As per above arguments. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Still oppose the stand-alone article on the following issues 1) first paragraph on Background section lacks sourcing. 2) Outside of lead, NONE of the events of the actual Coup d'Etat are discussed at all. Indeed, outside of one sentence in a very short lead section, there is NO discussion of the events of the coup. The main body's last mentioned event is "a 7 February 2017 meeting" We'd need an entire new section to give the chronology and details of the dismissal by the judiciary. We have none of that yet. Still needs expansion before it is ready. --Jayron32 11:47, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support coup article now. Currently in sufficient shape for posting. Thanks to all who expanded it. --Jayron32 00:42, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support It needs a little expansion and there is a CN tag. But otherwise this is major news that needs to be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:29, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is no longer a stub and has some substance. International recognition has occurred, especially among controversy with OAS states.--ZiaLater (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Slide toward dictatorship is a major story and the article is now of sufficient quality.Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:38, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support AltBlurbII and the self-coup article that it focuses on, but without the last bit about dictatorship (leave it up to the reader to come to that conclusion). --Tocino 04:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is still a CN tag but otherwise it looks good. Fix the tag and I think we can post this. Side note- the article was briefly locked due to some POV Edit/Move warring. I have lowered the PP to extended confirmed and will be keeping an eye on it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:10, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. This is a rapidly evolving situation. It appears the Venezuelan Supreme Court is backpeddling on its decision after enormous international condemnation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:36, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Added altblurb III. Fuebaey (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ready The article now looks to be in good shape now. I am going to suggest that the posting admin adjust the blurb to reflect recent developments. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:19, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I suggest changing it to something like "The Venezuelan Supreme Court strips the National Assembly of legislative power in a move widely described as a "self-coup". After, internal criticism, the ruling was reversed." Some called it a dictatorship move, but a more neutral description that is being used is an attempted "self-coup".--ZiaLater (talk) 21:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No consensus to post. Fuebaey (talk) 17:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Park Geun-hye could also be the bold article. We posted Park's impeachment, but I feel it is at least worth a discussion whether this development merits a further ITN item. LukeSurltc 18:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nom. We posted her impeachment and removal from office. Since she is no longer a sitting head of state/government I think we should follow our normal procedure for high profile criminal cases, which is to post convictions, not arrests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Even former heads of state are not typically arrested. This seems like a big deal. 331dot (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose anyone can be arrested, even momentarily, so let's wait until charges are levelled, or convictions are made. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:48, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It would seem she has been charged; the BBC writing "The Seoul Central District Court earlier issued a warrant to detain Ms Park on charges of bribery, abuse of authority, coercion and leaking government secrets, after a nearly nine-hour court hearing on Thursday." 331dot (talk) 19:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose normally we wait until conviction at least, and in this case we posted the impeachment so it's not as though the issue has not been looked at. Arrest by itself is not an encyclopaedic development, since either nothing will come of it, or we will have a no-doubt high profile trial and conclusion (either way) to consider including in due course. BencherliteTalk 19:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would respectfully disagree with the assertion that the arrest of a former head of state on charges related to her conduct while in office is not encyclopedic. This also does not happen every day. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I came here to read the discussion. I had been leaning on 331dot's side because the story of the arrest is in fact in the news right now and the article could surely use some attention. I think adding a news story like this would typically capture the spirit and purpose of this main page section. Also, to be honest, I keep seeing Carrie Lam and being like "is that the woman from the news that just got arrested?" and the answer continues to be no.
On the other hand, I find Ad Orientem's argument compelling enough, so I'm a neutral, I guess. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support she's a former head of state. This kind of event is rare. Plus it has been reported in the news for quite a while, see [4] which showed that the preceding developments was reported in a major newspaper. Also: fighting the US/UK bias also involves supporting non-US/non-UK nominations. Banedon (talk) 00:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Compare [5] for all the irony ... if Tony Blair had been arrested, would it have been posted even if he weren't found guilty? Banedon (talk) 05:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article quality is very low, it suffers terribly from WP:PROSELINE so regardless of notability, we should definitely not be featuring such on the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, there is a longstanding ITN consensus to post convictions only. Abductive (reasoning) 00:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Nobel laureate in physics, a bit more refs are needed. Brandmeistertalk 11:56, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Death is uncited in the article, and I'd want to see a better source than TASS for it especially given that he lived in California, not Russia; it's putting it mildly to say that TASS has got facts wrong on occasion. ‑ Iridescent 19:20, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose no clear "in the news" indication and the article is very poor, serious lack of referencing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Given that there were two separate citations for his death prior to the first comment (TASS here and Interfax in the article), to suggest that it was uncited and/or not in the news is odd. I'm not sure why a Russian-based wire service would be considered unreliable, nor can I think of a [political] reason for why they would misreport the death of a scientist. Elsewhere, an American citation is available here from his former employer and a non-Russian news source can be found here from a Brazilian wire. I do agree, however, that the article itself needs substantial improvement with referencing. Most of the prose is unsourced, save the last paragraph in the career section and a handful of awards. Fuebaey (talk) 01:41, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Notable. Will start reactions. Sherenk1 (talk)
Support if and once it happens (far as I can tell, it hasn't happened yet). This has been lingering in the background for quite some time, and will likely be in the news for a while longer. Adding a blurb. Banedon (talk) 06:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support this should be posted at 12:30 p.m. today when Tusk receives the letter. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Major political event, possibly the start of the collapse of the EU. Mjroots (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The major world papers are covering it. Although it's been sort of inevitable since the referendum result, much like Trump's inauguration it's still headline news. — Amakuru (talk) 08:13, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this is the 3rd time this story would reach ITN. And there is going to be another nomination for the actual exit. Four entries for basically the same story is excessive. Nergaal (talk) 08:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, the fourth one will be in two years time. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And the second time was a month ago. Nergaal (talk) 09:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a link to the second nomination? I only remember the first, and can't find the second after searching the February archives. Banedon (talk) 09:22, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point. I opposed the 2nd nomination, but it was posted anyway (and the fact that the objection at the time was overcome in two months says something about how it shouldn't have been posted ...). Still, having posted that isn't a very good argument against posting this - after all, this is the significant event that the 2nd nomination was referring to. Banedon (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and I am surprised nobody mentioned that the current update is just one sentence long. Nergaal (talk) 10:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think since the entire article is dealing with the invocation of Article 50, and is in very good condition, it's just fine as it is! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Such major and far-reaching geopolitical shifts do not come along very often. - The Bounder (talk) 09:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes, this is the third major news related to the same story, but it is not less significant than the previous two. The news enjoys popularity and is widely covered in the media, which easily meets our notability requirements. I'd also support the news pertaining to the actual exit once it happens in two years from now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Should we add to the blurb that the pound has fallen drastically?Zigzig20s (talk) 11:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, because it hasn't. Or at least if it did, it has rebounded! — Amakuru (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Good luck to all of you editors across the pond. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 11:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting Support. It may have featured before but this time it's the big one. It's really happening now...--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:18, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose posting until something actually happens (ie they leave the EU), as per our normal non-UK news practices. Ed[talk][majestic titan] 13:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not going to recommend pulling but will voice my Oppose. This is the start of a process (the signature on a letter) that will take many months/years to complete, and thus far too early in the situation to be at ITN. When the withdrawl is actually complete, then that was the appropriate point for posting. --MASEM (t) 14:07, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely "in the news" all over the world though.Zigzig20s (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just being in the news is not a metric for inclusion; it's a minimum requirement but there are plenty of other factors to avoid having stories keep popping up over and over and over again (the same logic about being in the news means we should have a daily Trump ITN entry for all matters, and no, that's not going to happen). And historically, on things like this, where we know the end result (when the UK withdraw from the EU is completed) will definitely be a major bit of news, we generally wait on posting until all the red tape is resolved. We posted when the vote to affirm Brexit happened, we posted that the last internal legal challenge in the UK court was resolved assuring this was going forward, and so the next major point is either the completion of the process, or if there is some significant legal huddle from outside the UK that might stop it (I dunno if there is or not). --MASEM (t) 14:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This was a major point in the process, however. This was the point of no return that begins the withdrawal process. At any point before the receipt of the letter, the UK could have decided to do nothing, and Brexit would have not happened. The letter is the trigger that initiates the process, and for that reason, it receives the attention. It wasn't a mere formality, it literally is the only event that actually matter to start the withdrawal process. --Jayron32 14:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Arguably, it feels like any of these points already posted were points of no return, given 1) the referendum vote result and 2) the intention by the PM to follow through on it, only hampered by the need to pass Parliamentary law to enable it. That this was signed was effectively no surprise, once that law passed. I agree that in the overall timeline of Brexit, this letter is a critical date as the official start of the process, but we have to be a bit more selective to avoid every step of this otherwise major ITN-appropriate process from being blurbed every time something happens. I'm not asking for anything to be pulled, there was clear consensus to post, but I'm concerned there's not long-term thinking going on here with Brexit in ITN, hence my oppose. (Whereas we have taken extremely great strides with things like the Syrian civil war or the US presidental election to post the very key highlights) --MASEM (t) 15:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that this is one of the very key highlights. Assuming that the UK actually does leave the EU (whether it is possible to withdraw an article 50 notification is not clear in the legislation), this is one of the four most important points: from most to least important: Referendum result, leaving, triggering of article 50, passing to legislation to enable article 50 be triggered. Four stories in 2¾ years is hardly excessive in my view. Thryduulf (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, this is the key moment. Everything that preceded it and everything that follows it is somewhat irrelevant now. We can't go back and we are on a destined path. It's unique, it's something that could destroy both the United Kingdom and the European Union. So it's notable. Of course I understand that those outside this tiny blob "off of France" may not quite grasp it. But that's not relevant I'm afraid. It's in the news, it has strong consensus and it's here to stay. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
When it becomes a formal proposal, I'd say we should consider it. --Jayron32 15:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'd oppose that, even if it becomes a formal proposal. Per longstanding precedent, we don't post the initiation of referendums, only the results. Banedon (talk) 05:29, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Those above saying that the referendum was the key moment are missing the point; that was a purely advisory referendum which carried no legal powers, and the government was perfectly free to disregard it had they so wished. (Catalonia voted to withdraw from Spain in 2014 yet remains singularly non-independent; except in a few places like California and Ireland where they're written into the law, governments are under no obligation to respect referendum results.) The formal triggering of Article 50 is the declaration of independence; 12:30 today was when Brexit—and consequently the near-certain dissolution of the UK—went from "something that is likely to happen" to "something that is certain to happen". ‑ Iridescent 19:05, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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