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December 10

December 10, 2023 (2023-12-10) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

December 9

December 9, 2023 (2023-12-09) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Sports

2023 NBA In-Season Tournament

Article: 2023 NBA In-Season Tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Los Angeles Lakers defeat the Indiana Pacers to win the first ever NBA In-Season Tournament. (Post)
News source(s): The Athletic; CBS
Credits:

Article updated

Inaugural In-Season Tournament has been a great success and very exciting to watch. Major development in NBA history. Much more popular and significant than many of the sporting events posted here on ITN. LocoTacoFever (talk) 05:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Artificial Intelligence Act

Article: Artificial Intelligence Act (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ European Union officials agree the final draft of its Artificial Intelligence Act which will register and restrict AIs with high and unacceptable risk levels. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera; BBC; EU; NYT; Reuters; Wired
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Article updated

Parliamentary approval is required but the reports indicate that this will be a formality now that policy-makers have agreed the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:25, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Act has already been in preparation since 2021. Per this announcement, this seems to mark agreement between the Council and Parliament. All that remains is some technical wordsmithing, translation and formal approval. The trouble with waiting for the formalities is that they will take weeks and may then not attract the same level of news coverage. It's in the news now. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If it passes, then support, but for now Wait - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sports salary world record

WP:SNOW
Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Shohei Ohtani (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two-way baseball player Shohei Ohtani joins the Los Angeles Dodgers for 10 years for $700 million, the richest salary contract in sports history. (Post)
News source(s): New Zealand Herald France24 news.com.au
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Major league baseball all-rounder (first one in 1 century) will get $0.7 billion in money guaranteed even if he God forbids gets a career-ending asteroid injury before his first game. No connection to North America before joining Earth's strongest baseball league at age 23 so also has that arousing not just USA aspect. Doesn't beat Messi in per year money though. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:09, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

December 8

December 8, 2023 (2023-12-08) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

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Law and crime

  • Mexican authorities raid and close 31 pharmacies in Ensenada, Baja California. The pharmacies were found to be selling counterfeit and fentanyl-laced pills. Working with marines and health inspection authorities, they seized 4,681 medication boxes suspected of being offered for sale without proper safety measures. (AP)

Science and technology

Politics and elections

RD: Joe Solomon

Article: Joe Solomon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cricinfo
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

West Indies batsman known for his role in first ever tied test match. Abishe (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Clyde Butts

Article: Clyde Butts (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jamaica Observer
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

West Indies spinner who made it into a squad when the team was largely relying upon seam attack. Abishe (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FDA approves first CRISPR-created sickle-cell drug

Article: Casgevy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Food and Drug Administration approves the drug Casgevy for treatment of sickle-cell disease. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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This is a major development in sickle-cell treatment and CRISPR technology. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Already happened in the UK last month, which was more newsworthy as it was the actual first. Here it's just the FDA approving a drug already in use in other countries, so not much of "news" except if we're going to be explicitly US-centric. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 20:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Guatemalan general election

Article: 2023 Guatemalan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Guatemala's Attorney General's Office declares the results of the 2023 general election "null and void", in a move described by the Organization of American States as an attempted coup. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Updated for now, although mostly in the lead. Depending on how the situation unfolds, we could create 2023 Guatemalan coup d'état later down the line and adding it to the blurb. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 00:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose as the Supreme Electoral Tribunal is disputing/refusing the AG’s claims and asserting the transfer of power will go forward as planned. Right now, it’s just the (notoriously corrupt) AG making accusations with no other official backing. The Kip 01:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait same rationale per above but I wouldn't oppose. If there are further developments that we should blurb since this seems to be a significant development. Side note, there's been a protracted period of unrest involving post-election developments in Guatemala so I think we should probably redirect the primary article elsewhere should that article exist. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose/Wait. Can't post right now because of the rationale provided by Kip, though I would wait on account of this potentially becoming a bigger crisis. Going "oppose/wait" rather then normal "wait" because a formal invalidation of results would realistically be it's own nom independent of this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Per Kip PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wait/Support Election results and attempted coups are notable, but we should wait for further developments before posting. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Itziar Castro

Article: Itziar Castro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Natg 19 (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography section needs more sources. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ryan O'Neal

Article: Ryan O'Neal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Natg 19 (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Leelavathi

Article: Leelavathi (actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.deccanherald.com/india/karnataka/veteran-kannada-actress-leelavathi-passes-away-2803199
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Veteran Kannada actress. Srf123 (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 7

December 7, 2023 (2023-12-07) (Thursday)

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

RD: Susan Catania

Article: Susan Catania (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Medium (written by her daughter), Capitol Fax
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former member of the Illinois House of Representatives from 1973 to 1983, known for her advocacy for women's rights issues and feminist causes. She died on November 27, 2023, but her death wasn't announced to the public until her daughter published an article on December 7, which was re-shared by Capitol Fax. Edge3 (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vera Molnár

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Article: Vera Molnár (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Hungarian-French media artist. Jmanlucas (talk) 05:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support Article is generally good quality, but could be expanded upon. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article isn't terrible, but not great either. I wouldn't be opposed to it being added but the article could use more info.
Manumaker08 (talk) 17:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) The Game Awards 2023

Consensus to post. Any errors should be taken to WP:ERRORS. Anarchyte (talk) 10:33, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Articles: The Game Awards 2023 (talk · history · tag) and Baldur's Gate 3 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At The Game Awards 2023, Baldur's Gate 3 wins game of the year. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Baldur's Gate 3 wins game of the year at The Game Awards.
News source(s): New York Times, Variety, Deadline, BBC, Sky News, NPR
Credits:
Was also posted in both 2021 and 2022. Mlb96 (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support - Per above. Didn't expect that at all, thought TotK would win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I actually fully anticipated BG3 being named Game of the Year by multiple publications. The other two main contenders for the award—TotK and RE4R—are essentially enhanced recreations of previous GOTY winners. BG3 is an entirely new game. Kurtis (talk) 23:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
True, I'm glad Balders Gate won. While TotK was good, it did feel a bit too similar to BotW PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This was described as "one long commercial" and so policy WP:NOTPROMOTION applies. There are always lots of trade shows, product launches and releases. For example, we have recently had the release of the Tesla Cybertruck and The Fashion Awards. And there are always new movies being released, getting lots of reviews and readers. But ITN doesn't cover these because they are too numerous and commercial. Videogames are not exceptional or significant and Balder's Gate 3 is yet another uninspired and derivative version of D&D which itself ripped off the actual classics like Tolkien. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Videogames are not exceptional or significant is blatantly incorrect; per [8], VG revenue surpasses the movie and music industries by 4 and 3 times, respectively, using 2019 numbers. It is by all means a major pillar of the broader entertainment industry. Curbon7 (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The same logic would apply to the Oscars, the Emmys, etc.
    Now I will be first in line to complain that the show itself was one long ad, but the process and selection of the awards follows similar routes as with those others, in that the voting members is primarily from leading figures in both development and coverage of video games, and thus should not be seen itself as commercial any more than the Oscars are. Masem (t) 10:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Balder's Gate 3 is yet another uninspired and derivative version of D&D which itself ripped off the actual classics like Tolkien. I could perhaps accept the rest of your argument as being somewhat valid regarding WP:NOTPROMO, but that last assertion there (which itself is quite the violation of WP:NOTFORUM) tips the scales firmly into "old man yells at cloud" territory, and I now question whether or not you intended this argument as anything other than contrarian. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:22, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @WaltCip: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 16:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Please, someone open the case, because I don’t have the time to do it myself. This space will be considerably better once a certain disruptor is removed from it. The Kip 20:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've seen a lot of arguments on ITN, and none of them manages to surpass "I think this video game is unoriginal" for sheer policy compliance. AryKun (talk) 14:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per precedent. PolarManne (talk) 09:23, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Articles are both looking good. Baldur's Gate's reception section could probably use more work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good article and most recognised awards for gaming Shadow4dark (talk) 09:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per precedent, despite how dreadfully boring it was.
Manumaker08 (talk) 14:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, trade show award basically, without the coverage of the other trade show awards we do cover like the Emmy's, Oscars, BAFTA and so on. nableezy - 15:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It has the coverage outside of normal video game sources, and it is absolutely wrong to call it, or the Oscars, Emmys or others as a trade show. --Masem (t) 15:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is absolutely wrong to call my comment absolutely wrong. See how bald assertion works? nableezy - 15:27, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Things like the Oscars, Emmys, etc are factually not trade shows. You can call all their ceremonies overtly commercial (and as I've said above, this show this year dips far too much into that), but the awards themselves have an actual process for selection, review, voting, and the like that are not functions of trade shows, and that's what the focus is of this blurb is the actual awards, not the mess of advertising around it. Masem (t) 15:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The awards are the advertising. nableezy - 15:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of The Game Awards, that couldn't be further from the truth: the awards are the only breathing room away from advertising. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 04:45, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added more coverage from mainstream media sources. Mlb96 (talk) 15:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source Game Awards 2023 Oscars 2023 Emmys 2023 BAFTAs 2023
NY Times [9] [10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17] [18][19][20][21][22][23] [24][25][26]
AP N/A [27][28][29][30][31][32] [33][34][35][36] [37][38][39]
Reuters N/A [40][41][42][43][44][45][46] [47][48] [49][50][51][52]
The Guardian N/A 118 results in their Oscars 2023 hub [53][54][55] 25 results in their BAFTAs 2023 hub
These other awards receive international mainstream coverage to a much higher degree than the Game Awards.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 00:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing in ITNCRIT says that an event needs to be massively covered, just covered in independent news sources. Otherwise, many of the disaster articles and election results we should fail for the same reason. The mass of coverage may be a reason to deny ITNR for the Game Awards at this point, but not from general ITN posting. Masem (t) 01:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support per all above. The Kip 20:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose — Per Nableezy. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting oppose: these video game awards are not on the same level of magnitude as the EGOT awards. Most major publications such as The New York Times, AP, BBC have only one short article each compared to the EGOT awards that can get multiple different articles from these major publications. I mean if the Game Awards were as mainstream as the other film awards, you would think they would at least be the main articles on the arts or lifestyle or culture sections of those publications but most of the time they're not. RTÉ and Al Jazeera have actual topic tags for the Oscars. Both outlets also have 0 mention of the Game Awards. They are not yet at the same level.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support I think it should also be noted that the article quality here is rather good, and comprehensively sourced. Kafoxe (talk) 22:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support The Gaming Awards are not really relevant outside of Anglosphere and Europe. But you have to consider how much games that gain considerable Western attention like most blockbuster Nintendo games, Alex Wake 2, and Baldur's Gate 3 for example, they will get covered by mainstream media and treated as a big deal. GTA 6 trailer, for example, was a big deal in Europe (based on Google Trends) and irrelevant in Indonesia as an Indonesian myself because of GTA's long association with console gaming which seen a complete fall from their heyday in 2000s, but also covered by MSM. While this sounds like I want to pull this, well, no, I don't think we should pull this. While gaming across the world have taste differences, gaming is a big cultural industry like music and films. To be frank, we should change ITN/R like Omnifalcon has proposed. MarioJump83 (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    For the avoidance of doubt, I don't want The Gaming Awards on ITN let alone ITN/R. The show is an advertisement, Geoff's friends getting access, and very far from a celebration of the best games. Omnifalcon (talk) 23:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It should be completely possible separate the ad-filled presentation show, and the actual awards, as a matter of distinguishing the "no promotion" issues that have been raised. Otherwise, we'd apply the same to any award that has a presentation ceremony or even things like many sporting events which could be argued as giant ads. Masem (t) 23:38, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. And to be frank, ITN/R is full of sporting events that aren't relevant. In particular I have issues with darts championship. MarioJump83 (talk) 23:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with this. The Game Awards, imo, is pretty much a big ad and (condensed) game trailer show at this point. MarioJump83 (talk) 23:46, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Refaat Alareer

Article: Refaat Alareer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [56] [57]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Alareer was killed in an Israeli airstrike on December 7. His work appeared on the BBC and ABC News. CJ-Moki (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know its just me here, but there isnt anything unsourced here, and the article is ready to go. nableezy - 16:56, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you mean COI because youre listed as updating the article, no, no COI at all. nableezy - 00:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just to make it clear: I never knew Refaat Alareer at all, personally; my only connection to him was that I read his tweets. And I found them very informative. (I live far, far from Gaza). And yeah: when he was killed, it "felt personal", and I went to wp and edited (the newly-made) article about him, And I was therefor nominated as one of the "updaters", above. It was because I was nominated as one of the "updaters", that I thought I had a COI. (I am not familiar with the ITN-procedure at all, sorry).
I still think this could make a DYK? (That is a process I am far more familiar with), cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support DYK nomination if that's a process you're more familiar with, @Huldra. I think the quality is there for either RD or DYK. CarmenEsparzaAmoux (talk) 16:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Both work. nableezy - 16:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Benjamin Zephaniah

Article: Benjamin Zephaniah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

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RD: Stan Rogow

Article: Stan Rogow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/stan-rogow-dead-lizzie-mcguire-fame-1235831916/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Engineerchange (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 6

December 6, 2023 (2023-12-06) (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

  • Authorities says that dengue fever is on the rise in Mali, as at least 21 deaths and 600 cases linked to the disease are reported. (AP)

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Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports

RD: Ellen Holly

Article: Ellen Holly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [58][59]
Credits:

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Article mostly ready, but needs some more citations. Natg 19 (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vic Davalillo

Article: Vic Davalillo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Extrabase
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Venezuelan baseball player, played in Major League Baseball and the Mexican League. NoonIcarus (talk) 13:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Article needs one round of edits to ensure all citations are added. Multiple sentences currently missing citations. Let me know if you'd prefer I tag the article. Ktin (talk) 19:27, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Shooting at UNLV

Clearly not going to be posted given that it is common in its country of origin.

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Article: 2023 University of Nevada, Las Vegas shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass shooting occurs at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, leaving 4 people dead and another 3 people injured. (Post)
News source(s): [[60]] [[61]] [[62]]
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@Rockstone35 Not to be that guy, but WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is not a policy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
4 fatalities in a shooting in Andorra or Italy is not the same as 4 fatalities in the USA. And you know that. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but the death count shouldn't be the sole reason to oppose. I would oppose this simply because it hasn't generated sufficient coverage or impact PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ups, I was responding Rockstone’s comment. Sorry _-_Alsor (talk) 18:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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First 4th gen nuclear reactor enters commercial operation

Article: Shidao Bay Nuclear Power Plant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shidao Bay Nuclear Power Plant becomes the first 4th generation reactor to enter commercial operations. (Post)
News source(s): World Nuclear Xinhua Bloomberg Straits Times

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.102.58.6 (talk) 09:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What does this have to do with Taylor Swift PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Went ahead and fixed the article link; odd error but probably a copy-paste fail, we've all done stuff like that. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Taylor Swift is also a nuclear engineer on top of being a singer?? Now I understand why she won Person of the Year PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Illia Kyva

Article: Illia Kyva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Assassinated in a Moscow suburb today, possibly by the SBU. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The biography section has a lot of uncited info.LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Lear

Article: Norman Lear (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

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Masem (t) 14:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good, but it has a few too many citation needed tags to be ready just yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 Time Person of the year

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Consensus to post will clearly not develop. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Taylor Swift (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ TIME Magazine makes Taylor Swift Person of the year (Post)
News source(s): https://time.com/6342806/person-of-the-year-2023-taylor-swift
Credits:
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December 5

December 5, 2023 (2023-12-05) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

  • The DAX achieves a new record high, increasing by 0.78%, surpassing the previous record from July. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

(NEW) Former President of Mauritania sentenced to prison

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Article: Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of Mauritania Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz (pictured) is sentenced to prison on charges of corruption. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Africanews
Credits:

Joofjoof (talk) 00:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wolfgang Wieland

Article: Wolfgang Wieland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): rbb
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) Cyclone Michaung

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Article: Cyclone Michaung (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Atleast 17 deaths have been reported after Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall in the south-eastern coast of India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 17 people have been killed after Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Cyclone Michaung makes violent landfall, leaves Chennai flooded and 17 dead.
Alternative blurb III: ​ At least 17 people are killed as Cyclone Michaung makes landfall in India.
News source(s): https://indianexpress.com/article/india/chennai-rain-death-toll-cyclone-michaung-landfall-andhra-9055801/
Credits:

Article updated

Leoneix (talk) 11:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: William P. Murphy Jr.

Article: William P. Murphy Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
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RD: Denny Laine

Article: Denny Laine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LBC, The Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
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UK 1977 Christmas number one, spent nine weeks there, first single to sell over two million copies nationwide. Not many pop hits have featured the Great Highland bagpipe. Although there was Wizzard's 1974 "Are You Ready to Rock?" Martinevans123 (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC) p.s. do you know where Laine was born?[reply]
Wait way too many tags and uncited sections right now, must be improved JM (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does every entry in the "Discography" section need an individual source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Russian invasion of Ukraine

Closing as consensus against removal per WP:SNOW. Noah, AATalk 20:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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Article: Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Despite the fact it's still ongoing, this war reached a stalemate with no major developments for a quite long period, which resulted it to go out of focus. The regular updates of Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (1 September 2023 – present) consist primarily of reports and claims on run-of-the-mill drone attacks, executed soldiers, pleads for support, minor sanctions and interviews with politicians that are mostly cited with domestic sources (e.g. The Kyiv Independent, The Moscow Times etc.). There haven't been reports on major advances by any side for months, and the timeline tells absolutely nothing about the current battles on the front. It's clear that even the major English-language media outlets have drastically decreased the number of news articles published about the war, and the systematic reporting from the frontline is gone (for instance, if you take a look at the War in Ukraine category on the BBC, there's only a handful of headlines published over the past few days, which document a story told by a Ukrainian soldier, a warning sent by the US to extend support to Ukraine, the killing of a Russian general and wrapping Christmas gifts for Ukrainian children). Furthermore, a quick glimpse at the Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in 2023 reveals that more people died from COVID-19 than from attacks in Ukraine during the past week. In the same way as we did with the pandemic, there's a point in time at which we should concede that it doesn't longer serve the purpose of ongoing. Finally, keeping this posted onto ongoing indefinitely would cause problems to blurb a potential major escalation in the future as the opposition would argue that it's already posted. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I swear the moment we pull this from the main page, a new major offensive is going to start up and the news media will be yuking to blare the "BREAKING NEWS" horn again. I'm not saying the timing for this is wrong, it's more that we seem to have a (coincidental) tendency to trigger this anytime we pull something from ongoing. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The timing for this is wrong. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What would be a good timing? This event defocussed the COVID-19 pandemic, which was removed from ongoing shortly afterwards, and it was recently defocussed by the Israel-Hamas war. That's simply how the media work. US not approving additional funding to Ukraine partly because they had begun supporting Israel is just a demonstration that it went out of focus in practice.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Putin just signed decree that increases the number of army by 170000, or 15 per cent
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This is obviously a significant development, one that could lead to another wave of mobilisation. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
: It is still a Relevant topic with tons of articles everyday coming out of it.
Von bismarck (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If there was a clear rationale behind the removal, it could have been summed up in one sentence.
It generates enough news and events, with USA funding not approved. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Kirill C1, although I might be more readily convinced with a more concise rationale for removal. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:41, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still the preeminent conflict in the world in terms or geo-political gravity. Has a much a stronger claim to being in ongoing than either Myanmar or Sudan. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral – In the past two weeks, only three sentences have been added to this article. It's a weak growth that doesn't really match what "ongoing" means on Wikipedia, but it's not nothing and I know that articles like this go in waves. Another wave of activity will probably happen. That being said, I don't know how much further this article specifically will evolve. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    what about the timeline article? I think the reason that it's also there is because the main article gets fewer updates (which itself could be a sign that it should be taken down). JM (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Ad & WaltCip; early winter has historically always seen offensives stall in this region. As the mud freezes, it's quite likely we'll start seeing offensive actions start back up. Additionally, we are undoubtedly going to see escalated drone and missile attacks as well. Unless there is a prolonged ceasefire or a peace deal, I see no reason to pull from ongoing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a crystal-ball argument. If a major offensive starts during the winter, we can easily report it. For now, it's only a speculation.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTFORUM means NOTFORUM. Contains oppose !vote.
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@Ouro: What criminal act?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:18, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTFORUM —M3ATH (See · Say) 17:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’m trying to get the meaning of “criminal act” because it’s a very strong phrase that normally violates WP:CIVIL.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies; that seems to have been an indentation mistake on my part. I meant to point out that the phrases "crimminal act" and "brave defence" violated WP:NOTFORUM. —M3ATH (See · Say) 18:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the moment I don't care about NOTFORUM and am considering the question to be put forward in bad faith. For reasons of stating the obdious, the criminal act of the russian invasion of Ukraine. It may be ongoing and stalled just like evolution or climate change is ongoing but you'd be hard pressed to point to any specific things that happened today to make them ongoing. Guys, you needn't reply mentioning that this is not a forum for opinions, I know. It's just that this issue is personally important to me. --Ouro (blah blah) 18:19, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Consider that there are certain guidelines for what can be in ongoing, which is why evolution and climate change are not there. Look at the current events portal to see a secondary level of ongoing events which are not on the main page, which is where this page would go if a proposal like this ever passed. JM (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So you are allowed to violate NOTFORUM and AGF if an issue is personally important to you. Got it. —M3ATH (See · Say) 18:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As noted above, that is not how Ongoing items are evaluated. Significant and frequent updates are important, which is a valid thing to question in this scenario. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose - I do understand where this is coming from, but this would be a bad idea. First of all, the COVID-19 comparison isn't valid because there's no such policy as WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. The notability of the war isn't due to the death toll. It's still regularly in the news and a huge part of global discourse, one of the biggest events in the 21st Century. And finally, I think if there was to be some escalation in the future, we should post it regardless like we posted the annexation of south-east Ukraine to Russia or the Wagner Rebellion. I do agree that Opposing because the war could escalate in the future is Crystal Balling, but still. Unless the war ends or really grinds down to a Korean-style stalemate (which it hasn't yet, still massive battles raging), it should stay up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe if the status quo remains, we can come back and review in a few months. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
If nothing major happens by, say, July 2024, then id say this would be a genuine proposal. For now, its still the second-most covered war, only behind the War in Gaza. Lukt64 (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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December 4

December 4, 2023 (2023-12-04) (Monday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Politics and elections

RD: Suminda Sirisena

Article: Suminda Sirisena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily News
Credits:

Article updated
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RD: Thomas Ragle

Article: Thomas Ragle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Sophie Anderson

Article: Sophie Anderson (actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bristol Post
Credits:

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RD: Jerome O'Neill

Article: Jerome O'Neill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WCAX
Credits:

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Thriley (talk) 07:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Juanita Castro

Article: Juanita Castro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Univision
Credits:

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks fine to me JM (talk) 05:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi

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Article: 2023 eruption of Mount Marapi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A volcanic eruption in Sumatra, Indonesia results in the deaths of 22 hikers. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Very major natural disaster, the first volcano eruption in 2023 with a death toll. Article is pretty short at the moment, though it will be expanded as more information is reported. LynxesDesmond 🐈 13:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on article quality. The article needs significant improvements to fulfil ITN criteria. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above JM (talk) 14:23, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COP 28

There's a variety of possible blurbs and the president, Sultan Al Jaber, seems to be making waves. Perhaps Ongoing is best to cover all the angles. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support seems to be updated frequently, and is receiving ongoing coverage. Quality is also there. JM (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The quality of the article is not great, but it's acceptable, and has been updated. The significance is overwhelming, given the climate emergency. This is ongoing for another week, and media coverage is not going to decrease, especially after al-Jaber's opposition to fossil fuel phase out (and mansplaining: I accepted to come to this meeting to have a sober and mature conversation) and the revelation that there are 70,000 participants ... Boud (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been a worldwide scandal, with some significant coverage in multiple periodicals. The COP28 article is messy, but not particularly problematic. --Grnrchst (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per precedent. We waited last year for the conclusion of the event and any major decisions that came out of it. No need to post right now, and honestly, the controversies in question have me seriously doubting the actual value of COP at all. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per precedent. If something important comes out of this, we can post it, but given that the president is being accused of climate change denial, that is highly unlikely. —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 16:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb - Put up the event and controversy surrounding PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Overwhelming significance, many updates, and honestly it's great to have something else than wars in Ongoing. The event spans several days and several points can be in the news even before the final decisions, that's exactly what Ongoing is for. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 20:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's a two-week conference which will be over in a week. That's not what Ongoing is for. If some actually significant decisions are made there, and not just blowing hot air, then post a blurb. Nsk92 (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ongoing is for when a blurb rolls off but the event is still notable and In The News, or if there is a significant amount of independent news items related to the event coming in. Neither has happened here. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's false as there are plenty of stories coming out of this ongoing event. For example, right now the online NYT has four headlines on its main page:
  1. Climate Summit Leader Tries to Calm Uproar...
  2. Global Fossil Fuel Emissions Are Rising...
  3. Air-Conditioning Use Will Surge in a Warming World...
  4. 1.5 Degrees Is Not the Problem
So, with four front page headlines, that's more than any of the other ongoing ITN entries for which the scores are Gaza=3, Ukraine=2, Myanmar=0, Sudan=0. Q.E.D. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah but I'd say 2 of those stories would not be suitable for a blurb. The only two angles that we could go for would be the event happening and surrounding controversy. It's no shock to anyone that fossil fuel emissions are rising, and the other article is an opinion piece. The quantity of headlines does increase notability, but doesn't necessarily indicate it should be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:13, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until end of the event and then determine if there's anything useful out of it. We have not posted the past COP nor the onset of other G7/G20/equivalent international meetings, but only give a blurb if there is some major, actionable agreement that comes out that, and that's usually not known until the last day of the event. --Masem (t) 01:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per reasons above Roma enjoyer (talk) 01:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose ongoing, support blurb as per Nsk92. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the conference ends and post any major conclusions. I don't see reporting on important decisions during the conference in the article to justify posting onto ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work – Currently the lead section exclusive speaks of the background/leadup to the event. More writing needs to be done and the article must be rebalanced before this can be featured. Article has a lot of potential, however. I can see a lot of work has been put into this in the past months! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Venezuelan referendum

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Articles: 2023 Venezuelan referendum (talk · history · tag) and 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In South America, amidst an ongoing diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to annex the disputed Guayana Esequiba (shown in green) region in Guyana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to annex the disputed Guayana Esequiba region of Guyana.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis between the two countries, Venezuelans vote to support their government's position that the disputed Guayana Esequiba region in Guyana (shown in green) is Venezuelan territory.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Amidst a diplomatic crisis with Guyana, Venezuelans vote to support their government's claim on the disputed Guayana Esequiba region (shown in green).
News source(s): CNN - Reuters - AP
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Nominator's comments: Major news in South America that will further a diplomatic crisis and may even escalate into a war. It's an intriguing story that isn't getting enough news coverage, so will definately be worth a view to our readers. — Knightoftheswords 04:25, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Oppose significant because it is an international incident and territorial dispute featuring a military buildup alongside this referendum, but the article needs to be updated; the results tables have no information. done after taking a second look it's clear those sources do not back up those numbers, which are inaccurate. this article cannot be blurbed until there are accurate numbers. JM (talk) 04:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support quality has improved, the significance I outlined in my original review still stands. JM (talk) 07:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per JM. Those results were not accurate. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I really don't think many realise how bad this situation is getting, and the massive impact it will have on everything. This needs to be put up on the front page. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also it might be good to say that the people """"""voted"""""" to annex, supposedly by a 95% majority (shocking result I know) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The referendum did not explicitly ask voters to approve the annexation of the Essequibo region, but rather supported the establishment of a state in the disputed area (among other provisions). The referendum is a step towards a potential annexation, but it wasn't asking for it directly. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It could be argued that it is a de facto annexation, fully incorporating a neighbouring territory as a part of your state. It's the same thing that the Russians did, Donetsk and Luhansk becoming full fledged republics of the federation. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if it could be argued that it is a "de facto annexation", it still is not (the referendum is consultative and therefore voting to approve simply doesn't codify anything other than to send a message of approval), and there is not a significant body of work that directly states the referendum is asking to directly do so (however, there are many other things that are adjacent to a potential annexation or significant action being taken that are at hand in relation to the referendum) and the assertion of such would be a violation of WP:NOR. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The big difference is that Venezuela doesn't have de facto possession of the territory. As I understand it, it's controlled by Guyana and they are backed up by Brazil's powerful military. Venezuela is sabre-rattling for domestic consumption as the country is otherwise a shambles. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've made some improvements on the article, but more is needed on the veracity of the referendum. I highly doubt it was free and fair PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:19, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support of clear significance and both bolded articles appear in good shape. I agree that annex is probably not the right word to use as that usually implies some degree of control over the territory. Not quite sure how best to word this - maybe "vote to a establish a state in the disputed region". ITBF (talk) 08:32, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is an ongoing dispute which is still before the ICJ. Venezuela's referendum does not seem significant as what will matter is physical control on the ground and international recognition. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Blurb is a bit long, and two bolded articles might be too much. Also no need to add "shown in green" if the map is already labeled. Support the shorter and more concise altblurb. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 09:44, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support and I have proposed alt2 to address concerns that the referendum wasn't technically for annexation. —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 09:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative blurb II III in principle, Oppose main and alternative blurb: The referendum consisted in five questions, only of which the last one asked to begin steps to incorporate the territory, so the issue is more nuanced than voters asking to annex the territory, as others have mentioned.
Likewise, also commented above already, there's the initial results: while polls estimated a 20% turnout (around 4 million voters) and those figures were even coonsidered an overestimation, the Venezuelan government now says that over 10 million people voted (over 50% turnout). I think there weren't independent observers, but allowing this around 12 hours or so should allow to learn the position of experts and the opposition.
I know that electoral results usually aren't questioned in the ITN, but this should also be considered in the blurb (see (Posted) 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine). If everything else fails, I would support the inclusion of the Guayana Esequiba crisis article in the Ongoing section. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:43, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding referendum questions, as shown in the article, all of them are related to Guayana Esequiba which is explicitly mentioned in each of them, not just the last one. The 3rd one is perhaps particularly provocative, about "Venezuela's historical position of not recognizing the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice to resolve the territorial controversy over Guayana Esequiba". Also, altblurb II looks too verbose and conniving. Brandmeistertalk 11:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is an important move by Venezuela, but i understand why some are apprehensive to add it. But it IS a vote to annex a part of another sovereign nation, and should be brought to light.
Manumaker08 (talk) 18:45, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Altblurb III, Oppose main and alternative blurb Concise and addresses prior WP:SYNTH concerns I've had with the first two blurbs. Potential regional conflict that can arise, and ITN significance is clear. My only concern is that the article is not updated with the final results for any of the 5 questions. I believe Portuguese wiki has the results, but I'm uncertain as to if they have the source for the results. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update The results are in: Maduro vote to claim Guyana’s territory backfires as Venezuelans stay home

    Turnout was minimal ... most voters shunned the issue ... the Venezuelan government has been widely accused by analysts of falsifying the results ... It was a resounding failure for Maduro ... they rigged the results ... massive PR disaster ... firing the propaganda machine ... 7 million people to flee the country ... leaves an enormous gap ...

    So, shall we blurb this as a "resounding failure" for the Maduro regime? Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Marking as ready — Knightoftheswords 01:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Removed as premature. Article still hasn't been updated with results, which are in dispute. The Kip 04:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Said results will likely be in dispute for a while; good chance that they will never be released given that we're talking about Chavist Venezuela. The article is otherwise decent. — Knightoftheswords 00:38, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The results would most likely be skewed twords Venezuela, but we'll see. Rager7 (talk) 01:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support for obvious reasons. It's currently trending on the news and shall be posted. Rager7 (talk) 01:47, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support conceptually, Oppose all blurbs. The statement that "Venezuelans vote to" support their government is dubious at the very best. Abundant nuance to this situation is evident, I accept, but lack of referendum tampering is improbable. Below example blurb, a modification of alt3, is preferable:
Amidst a diplomatic crisis with Guyana, a Venezuelan referendum succeeds to support the government's claim on the disputed Guayana Esequiba region (shown in green). 180.150.81.68 (talk) 11:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, in case of tampering something like "Venezuelan referendum supports the annexation..." may work, to avoid placing the responsibility on Venezuelan people whose opinion may have been manipulated. Brandmeistertalk 20:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Much preferable indeed. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 22:34, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. RSes are making it pretty blunt that the government’s reported turnout/vote count is highly disputed, so to frame it as the referendum legitimately voting to support is to effectively take the government line. The Kip 21:00, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Results tables updated. The precise amount of votes has not be announed, only the percentages.--NoonIcarus (talk) 04:33, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to ping @Knightoftheswords281 and The Kip:. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Also it is worth adding that people did not turn out for the referendum. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:22, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2023 attack on the USS Carney

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Closing good faith nom as consensus to post will likely not develop & WP:SNOW close. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:13, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2023 attack on the USS Carney (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A U.S Navy warship and a British military warship reported a explosion in Yemen. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Red Sea, the USS Carney and several commercial vessels are attacked by the Houthi movement.
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/red-sea-houthi-yemen-ships-attack-israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-716770f0a780160e9abed98d3c48fbde
Credits:
A U.S Navy warship and a few commercial ships was struck by ballistic missiles fired from Yemen, and a few U.S Navy warships also shot down a few drones in self-defense. NewPedia24 (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Peta Murphy

Article: Peta Murphy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.9news.com.au/national/peta-murphy-federal-labor-mp-dies-from-cancer/c771ddc2-991e-44b5-8f5d-82003cf9d733
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

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(Posted) Mindanao State University bombing

Article: Mindanao State University bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An Islamist bombing at Mindanao State University in Marawi, Philippines, kills four people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A bombing at Mindanao State University in Marawi, Philippines, kills four people.
News source(s): [65][66]
Credits:

Significant number of injuries. Article in good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My original blurb did not mention Islamic terrorism but it seems like it was changed. Natg 19 (talk) 16:29, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am NOT the one who changed it, but I agree with the change; it makes it clear that this is part of a much broader conflict. Seems pertinent for the blurb to mention that. JM (talk) 16:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tudun Biri drone strike

Article: Tudun Biri drone strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Nigerian Army drone strike unintentionally kills over 85 civilians in Kaduna State. (Post)
News source(s): [67][68]
Credits:

Article needs a lot of work. But there are a significant number of deaths caused by this accidental drone strike in Nigeria. Natg 19 (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on quality wow (referring to both the event and to the article's poor quality) JM (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article looks a lot better now, what do you think @Midori No Sora @Lukt64 @DarkSide830 JM (talk) 15:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still kinda short and with some awkward phrasing. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with DarkSide830. While the article looks better than before, it could be expanded slightly more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 00:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yacouba Sawadogo

Article: Yacouba Sawadogo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RFI
Credits:

Article updated
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“The man who stopped the desert” Jmanlucas (talk) 06:49, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: three unsourced sentences, two of which is a summary of sourced sentences. I haven’t verified yet Aaron Liu (talk) 14:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've fixed up any sentences I believe need citing. Feel free to add any CN tags to areas you still think should be cited. I don't believe every sentence necessarily needs a citation if a group of sentences use the same source. Jmanlucas (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think there was a rule somewhere that citations covered everything before it until the previous citation but I can't find it. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:43, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ronnie O'Sullivan wins UK Championship

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Ronnie O'Sullivan
Article: 2023 UK Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In snooker, Ronnie O'Sullivan wins a record-extending eighth UK Championship title. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/sport/snooker/67607991
Credits:

Ronnie O'Sullivan defeats China's Ding Junhui 10–7 to win a record-extending eighth UK Championship title. The UK Championship is one of the three prestigious Triple Crown events in snooker, which O'Sullivan has won a record 22 times. AmethystZhou (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. He is both the youngest and the oldest winner of Championship. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Myles Goodwyn

Article: Myles Goodwyn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [69]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian musician. Article needs a bit of work. Citations are slowly coming along. Flibirigit (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Glenys Kinnock

Article: Glenys Kinnock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a few citations before it's passable. - SchroCat (talk) 14:41, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment - will need a looot of work before it's good to go. See that the bulk of her article is badly written and sourceless. I've tagged the article for everything needing a ref. At the moment, the problems are quite extensive. Sad news though. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:22, 3 December 2023 (UTC) [reply]

 Working - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added. - SchroCat (talk) 09:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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