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June 26

June 26, 2024 (2024-06-26) (Wednesday)

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ICC issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov

Article: War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian army chief and former defense minister for war crimes in Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, NY Times
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Putin was one thing as a sitting head of state, this is comparatively far less important. The Kip (contribs) 06:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 NEET controversy

Article: 2024 NEET controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Outrage and protests erupt in India regarding irregularities surrounding the results of the National Eligibility-cum-Entrance Test (NEET) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Needs better blurb. Rushtheeditor(talk) 00:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 25

June 25, 2024 (2024-06-25) (Tuesday)

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Chang'e 6 return

Article: Chang'e 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The China National Space Administration lunar sample probe Chang'e 6 successfully returns to Earth with rock samples from the far side of the Moon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

We did post when it arrived at the moon, and per ITNR, its successful return is also there. Unfortunately, I don't know how much more than a sentence update (both lede and body) can be made here, given that it is China and news from there tends to be iffy. There definitely needs to be a better update before posting. --Masem (t) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sika Anoa'i

Article: Sika Anoa'i (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, WWE
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Samoan professional wrestler. WWE Hall of Fame. Needs some more citations (I have added some tags and the banner), but it seems people are updating the article. If you know who should be considered an updater, please add to nom. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenya protests

Article: Kenya Finance Bill protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and dozens are injured as protesters storm the Parliament Buildings in Kenya (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Five people are killed by police gunfire and thirty-one are injured as protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Kenya.
News source(s): CNN
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Article needs a significant rewrite. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb on basis of notability, but some expansion would be needed. A national parliament of a major African nation being set on fire is certainly noteworthy. International newspapers seem to be increasing their coverage of the event, so hopefully there will soon be more info to beef up the article.Khuft (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability: there's some things that still need citations though.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mohamed Arif

Article: Mohamed Arif (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Edition
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Maldivian footballer. Death announced 25 Jun 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is in much better shape. Sharrdx (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julian Assange Released

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Article: Julian Assange (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Julian Assange agrees to a US plea bargain that would allow for his immediate release. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain.
News source(s): CNN
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Article updated

Aaron Liu (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support the chains of government have been broken Lukt64 (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's neither a credible representation of how this happened, nor a meaningful reason to promote this story to the front page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aaron Liu (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait till judge approves it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb as it more accurately describes what is happening. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How would that make event more notable? BilboBeggins (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043Talk 10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not that notable. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, eminently significant. QuestFour (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean support altblurb, more clearly outlines the event but we should wait until there is a definite confirmation from the judge Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's getting a bunch of news coverage, but the actual significance of this seems limited at best. He's pleading guilty and basically being sentenced to time served. Many events get a short term burst of coverage and we don't post them, mainly for want of significance. This isn't an election, a war, or a natural disaster with a high death toll. It's an interesting case that had the potential to clarify some important aspects of the legal relationship between the press and the state. But it is effectively ending in a tactical draw. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing anything here that warrants a blurb on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are not a news ticker One could make that argument about every ITN item. — hako9 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why we weigh each item based on its significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Definitely noteworthy. Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb, a major headline all over the world, and a continuing story, since the news will certainly continue to cover his coming and going from the CNMI, touchdown in Australia, and any comments he may have after that. This also raises the stakes for some kind of deal with Snowden, and other possible ramifications. BD2412 T 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and oppose — This can now be properly discussed. Per Ad Orientem, I do not see how this is a major conclusion to the Assange saga. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support never thought i’d see this day happen. Good luck Assange Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's official - The judge sentenced him to time served and said he'll leave the court as a "free man" (Source 1, Source 2) Johndavies837 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WaPo may be a better source. He'll also have Wikileaks destroy the Manning information. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • NYT argues that this could set a precedent for prosecuting journalists.

    The agreement means that for the first time in American history, gathering and publishing information the government considers secret has been successfully treated as a crime. This new precedent will send a threatening message to national security journalists, who may be chilled in how aggressively they do their jobs because they will see a greater risk of prosecution.

    But its reach is also limited, dodging a bigger threat. Because Mr. Assange agreed to a deal, he will not challenge the legitimacy of applying the Espionage Act to his actions. The outcome, then, averts the risk that the case might lead to a definitive Supreme Court ruling blessing prosecutors’ narrow interpretation of First Amendment press freedoms.

    Will try and add to article soon. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support as this has probably been the longest running case about a cornerstone of democracy in my lifetime. Wikipedia was able to move a step closer to its goal of making the sum of human knowledge accessible due to Assange's efforts. All readers should be invited to ponder how they feel about his plea and release. Connor Behan (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Article has some serious(?) citation overkill issues. That's not a Hard Wait, mind you. But it is something for at least one of you fixers to think about fixing, before or after it's posted (and possibly pictured). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

June 24, 2024 (2024-06-24) (Monday)

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RD: Susana Ruiz Cerutti

Article: Susana Ruiz Cerutti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion, Perfil
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Argentine former Minister of Foreign Affairs and Worship, ambassador to Switzerland and Canada --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shifty Shellshock

Article: Shifty Shellshock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Billboard, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer and frontman of Crazy Town. 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is CN and OR tagged. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 08:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Frederick Crews

Article: Frederick Crews (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American essayist and literary critic. Death announced 24 June. Thriley (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Stanley Cup

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Article: 2024 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Connor McDavid pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Article quality is good and the Stanley Cup Finals are posted every year. Hungry403 (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (oppose image) McDavid didn't even accept the award, and the article is about the Stanley cup championship not the opposing teams captain. Historically, the MVP has typically gone to a member of the winning team but given the incredibly competitive nature of this series I suppose it makes sense why the league would decide to deviate from the norm. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (oppose image) Article is good, topic is noteworthy enough to warrant being highlighted on the front page. McDavid winning the Conn Smythe is worth being mentioned, but the image used should be of a Flames player instead. RPH (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • McDavid or the Panthers logo It's always been standard to picture the MVP. We skipped the NBA one this year, but that's only because a beautiful lynx appeared. Unlike that cat, there's no good reason to arbitrarily highlight any Panther who didn't win an individual award (or a Calgary Flames player). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a Support Vote, in case that wasn't clear; the article looks typically fine. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, ideally with Aleksander Barkov as the photo, or perhaps Sergei Bobrovski. Barkov being the captain of the champion club should be the easiest to swing though. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. There is clear consensus to post the blurb text. I've posted without the photograph, since there still seems to be unresolved discussion on which photograph should be used (if any); additional conversation could be useful in attaining consensus specifically on that point. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I must insist (vainly or not), since the main or only reason for picturing the guy who didn't hold the Oilers to one or score a point at all that night is his general association with the Panthers, we use the free picture of him wearing a Panthers uniform, not whatever getup he has on there. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Late Oppose Like too many sport events, this is filled with jargon that make it unnaproachable to the average reader. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is probably biased but there is so much more jargon that could be added. Instead of what we have, we could have "In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers (captain Aleksander Barkov pictured) defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals, after winning Game 7 at home, in regulation. Edmonton forward Connor McDavid won the Conn Smythe Trophy." Maybe we could omit the Oilers part but that is important information. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This isn't the Simple English Wikipedia - if we wrote all of our articles solely in wording known to an average English-speaker, our articles would be nearly bare of content. Most sports articles inherently presume at least a degree of familiarity with the sport in question, and if there's no familiarity, there's plenty of Wikilinks to help establish it. Jargon is fine so long as it's not excessive, and this article certainly isn't. The Kip (contribs) 06:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's fine. I have no real knowledge of ice hockey at all, and I can understand the article without any problems. Usually issues arise when editors use sporting slang rather than jargon, and this one doesn't. Black Kite (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aricell battery factory fire

Article: Aricell battery factory fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at a lithium battery factory in the South Korean city of Hwaseong kills at least 22 migrant workers, most of them Chinese nationals. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, CNN, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 23

June 23, 2024 (2024-06-23) (Sunday)

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(Posted) RD: Dennis Deer

Article: Dennis Deer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sergeant Cecil

Article: Sergeant Cecil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post, At the Races
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British racehorse. Needs some inline citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support sure it needs some inline citations, otherwise article good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dagestan attack

Article: 2024 Dagestan attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Dagestan, Russia, 27 people die in a coordinated attack. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Islamic terrorists stage a number of attacks across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
Alternative blurb II: ​ Islamic terrorists attack a number of locations, including a church, and a synagogue, across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated

* Wait Article needs expansion, but otherwise significant enough. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 22

June 22, 2024 (2024-06-22) (Saturday)

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RD: Howard Bernstein

Article: Howard Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Manchester Evening News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British politician. Manchester City Council chief executive. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems to be of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks alright now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Midori No Sora or @PrinceofPunjab, would you mind marking ready? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 08:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kamala Hampana

Article: Kamala Hampana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The Hindu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian writer. Still needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

June 21, 2024 (2024-06-21) (Friday)

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RD: Jamie Kellner

Article: Jamie Kellner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American TV executive. Founded Fox and the WB. Article still needs some details and would be nice to have infobox with photo. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The intro mentions ACME and running TBS till 2003, but these were not discussed in the main prose. What did he do from 2003 onwards? THere are also a couple of {cn} tags in the main prose. Please expand the coverage to the latter stages of his career and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Spiridon Vangheli

Article: Spiridon Vangheli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Președinte.md, TVR Moldova
Credits:

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Moldovan/Bessarabian/Romanian writer and prose writer. Known worldwide for his book Guguță. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.55.27.113 (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as Classicwiki said, article needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James K. Irving

Article: James K. Irving (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail, CBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Canadian businessman and member of the Irving family in New Brunswick; last living son of K. C. Irving, his younger brother died a month prior.B3251(talk) 00:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Darren Lewis (American football)

Article: Darren Lewis (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

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American footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - lacking inline citations. Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose College section have no source at all. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Keith Locke

Article: Keith Locke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff, Radio NZ
Credits:

Article updated
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New Zealand politician ecologist. Died June 21, 2024. Kiwichris (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've beaten me to it by 12 minutes, Kiwichris. Schwede66 02:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is in a very good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Cn tags have been sorted now. Kiwichris (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

June 20, 2024 (2024-06-20) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports

RD: Haviland Smith

Article: Haviland Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

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Lots of issues with article, needs significant improvements before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eberhard Hertel

Article: Eberhard Hertel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk
Credits:

Article updated
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German Volkstümliche Musik singer. Jmanlucas (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning

Article: 2024 Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Tamil Nadu, India, at least 54 people have died in an alcohol poisoning incident. (Post)
News source(s): BBC TIME
Credits:

Article updated

High number of fatalities warrant an ITN posting. | Mfarazbaig (talk) 18:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose As an Indian myself, it is unfortunate for me to say that alcohol poisoning is common in India. While 50+ deaths may seem like a rare occurrence, it is unlikely to have any significant long-term impact. Case in point, it is not even the biggest news topic in India right now. In fact, it ranks behind the 2024 NEET controversy, Speaker election, Euros and the T20 World Cup in term of converge by the Indian media. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Large number of casualties (250+) and by all indications there appears to be significant political and community reactions from this incident (as opposed to other incidents). Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Masem, it does not appear to have any sort of long term impact. LiamKorda 16:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dylon Powley

Article: Dylon Powley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News, Northern Tribune
Credits:

Article updated
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Former Canadian soccer player. Died in a motorcycle accident. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joshua Wade

Article: Joshua Wade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anchorage Daily News, AP
Credits:

Article updated
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American serial killer. Article published 20 June, but appears to have died 14 June. Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support this individual. It is just a recent death I read about.--Classicwiki (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971)

Article: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Credits:

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Former Indian cricketer. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Brief career" Oppose — Iadmc♫talk  16:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does "Brief career" mean? All that was accomplished in his career has been included. Unless you are referring to his career being brief and hence not important to post? If so -- I would request you have a look at the note above i.e. Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's not enough here to warrant his inclusion — Iadmc♫talk  06:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Taylor Wily

Article: Taylor Wily (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press The New York Times
Credits:

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Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sourced selected filmography list. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved the last two tags. Also for those who don't know, he was more than an actor, as he was part of the first UFC fight broadcast, the first knock out, as well as an American who competed in sumo competitions in Japan. Also, he got local coverage in Hawaii during his high school football days as an up and coming player, and was the third heaviest high school football player in the country at the time. So he got fairly consistent news coverage throughout his life. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Russell Morash

Article: Russell Morash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WGBH
Credits:

Article updated
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American television producer and director. Created/produced/directed The French Chef, The Victory Garden, This Old House, and The New Yankee Workshop. Thriley (talk) 03:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the new REF. --PFHLai (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed; posted RD) Blurb/RD: Donald Sutherland

Consensus against a blurb, and no consensus to WP:IAR regarding WP:ITNIMAGE and images being related to blurbs.—Bagumba (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image
Article: Donald Sutherland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian actor Donald Sutherland (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

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Natg 19 (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Article needs major ref work done as there are unsourced statements in career section, award section and a bit in the early life section. Might support blurb if article reflects his impact/how influential he was. Support blurb once article is up to shape. Defitnely notable and influential based on legacy section and per other arguments. Real shame. RIP President Snow. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Top of his field, the best actor that we had. His body of work tells you lot, his films are jewels of world cinema. And he was active to last years of his life, so it is decades-spanning career. Him dying is a very big news. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not much point in talking about a blurb until the sourcing is improved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support RD sufficient quality now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as RD proposer. A good/famous actor but does not rise to the level of a blurb. Will try to do more sourcing work later today. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb simply having numerous films under their belt, nothing in the article indicates he was a great figure in the acting world (eg no legacy or impact) Masem (t) 19:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But he was a great figure in acting world, we know it. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's nowhere stated in the article. Simply being an actor with a lot of roles and even a few Oscar's isn't enough, that's handwaving. We need an indepth coverage to explain why he has a legacy or impact from his career. — Masem (t) 20:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a brand, it's as simple as that.
    The point of blurbing deaths of famous people is to inform that person known worldwide died, like in case of Sydney Poitier, Henry Kissinger, Jiang Zemin, the Queen.
    We blurbed former Greece King, surely we can blurb Sutherland? BilboBeggins (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The RD line serves that purpose. Blurbs are reserved for cases where the death has draw attention or in the case or great figures that represent transformative ppl on their field — Masem (t) 21:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ironically, Sutherland did not win an Oscar, and actually won few traditional awards. He is noted as one of the "best without an Oscar", though he got an honorary one in 2017. Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for the usual reason. Oppose blurb on merits. Sutherland was a good and well-known actor, but not in the top tier of the profession. Not that long ago the community turned down Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. I'm interpreting that as setting a very high bar for blurbs for actors. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two giants were turned down wrongly, it's bad to refer to wrong decisions.
    He passes Sidney Poitier threshold and is bigger than Betty White whom we blurbed. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Betty White was a bad post because it was based on popularity. Poitier has a significant impact on Hollywood due to his acting skills and race, which he extended after his career, creating a clear legacy. There is not really anything to say the same for D. Sutherland here, which is needed to post a blurb — Masem (t) 21:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Poitier was famous for lead roles in films that were nominated for Oscar in important categories or won. Poitier had activism, Sutherland was active in anti-Vietnam war movement.
    They both won honorary Oscars.
    But unlike Poitier, who in his last thirty or thirty five years only had one prominent role in Jackal, Sutherland had dozens of them. Pride and Prejudice, Six degrees of separation, Cold mountain, and I am listing only Oscar nommed films. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Correct. Hollywood actors are known figures, but they're still just actors, and we shouldn't overstate their world impact. Sutherland is worthy of being listed on the front page as RD but not with a blurb as a top story. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per above and as a matter of principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The irony here, of course, is that we almost certainly not going to blurb Sutherland, a very famous and widely loved actor, but we have just blurbed Mays, someone about which the vast majority of the planet would say "who?". (That's not a comment on Americentrism by the way, we have blurbed two non-American sportspeople this year as well). We really do need to think about how illogical this process is. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    100% agreement although I don't accept it as a foregone conclusion based on several votes. If several days are needed to improve the article's citations and make his legacy clearer, we should allow that, but his death is major news and that's the entire point of ITN. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also thought about this. Why we blurbed Mays, who has 30 wikipages, Shane Warne, who had 30 wiki pages at the moment of his death, but we didn't blurb Vangelis, we didn't blurb Christopher Plummer (in my opinion we should jave blurbed him).
    Donald Sutherland has 80 wiki pages, he is household name worldwide. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I definitely feel that this process is odd and unintuitive, so either we should get rid of death blurbs altogether, or codify the process to which one gets a death blurb. Currently, it is seems arbitrary and based on "transcendence" and "significant impact", whatever that actually means. I personally am biased in favor of sportspeople, but there needs to be a way to eliminate personal biases from ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not about fame or popularity. Blurbs should be for great figures with articles that are some of our best content, even if the person is obscure or not well know outside their field. Otherwise when we use fame or name recognition, ITN blurbs favor western people and those in highly public area like politics or entertainment. We have to fight that bias by not considered fame or obscurity as long as the death is reported by multiple sources and the article respects our best work to be featured on the main page. — Masem (t) 00:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But this is my biggest issue though, what makes someone a "great figure"? Some here would argue that Sutherland is. Not sure how you define "best content" either. Does the article have be a GA or FA? Natg 19 (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The two main factors specified on WP:ITN are a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments. The article has already been significantly improved and it continues to improve. Two days ago, it had an ORES predicted quality of C (3.74), but it's now B (3.88). There are 80 language links on the article. It's front page news on Le Monde (French), The Times of India (Indian English), and The Asahi Shimbun (Japanese). That is not indicative of Western bias. It shouldn't be up to anyone here to overrule the news to decide he's not a "great figure". It's major news and replacing an old news item such as the NBA finals with a blurb about Donald Sutherland's death would significantly improve the main page. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNRDBLURB is the criteria for RD blurbs, which are in addition to the main ITN criteria we don't have to use fame, popularity, role count, or other factors, we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that. That type of content and sourcing from secondary RSes is how we determine a "great figure", and not simply by how much coverage an RD gets. — Masem (t) 03:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My points about the international significance and coverage remain valid. I'm not arguing based on fame, popularity, or role count, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning those. The selective approach often taken here towards recent deaths reads as elitist and disregards the impact of films and television on culture. Discounting his role in M*A*S*H which had a major impact on views of war and authority, his performance in Ordinary People, and his other contributions seems shortsighted. As to his impact on the field, he was honored with an honorary Academy Award for lifetime achievement in 2017. The Academy doesn't award those to any old schlub that's famous. His recent death is newsworthy and would serve as a more compelling current use of the ITN blurbs than several entries currently featured. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that Sutherland had a massive impact in the field of cinema, as is indicated by news publications worldwide prominently reporting on his death. The fact that our article wrongly doesn't reflect that point doesn't mean anything (cf. WP:ARTN). voorts (talk/contributions) 08:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For purpose of what ITN is and that blurb RDs are meant to be exceptions from the rule, and that blurbed items are supposed to reflect the best of WP's work, the failure of the article to be properly sourced as a BLP and the lack of content from secondary sources on how he impacted the industry or left a legacy in clear format is a major roadblock in considering this as an a blurb. International coverage US inly a indicator if a famous name, unkess all that coverage speaks to his legacy and not simply talking about his death or reprintimg wire stories. — Masem (t) 09:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will add that since this ITN was started a Legacy section has been added which starts bring this more in line with demonstrating"great figure". But it is still miles away in terms of sourcing to be even included as an RD. — Masem (t) 11:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And Mays certainly did not deserve a blurb as I’ve repeatedly said This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. The New York Times has not one, not two, but three features about him on their front page right now. The Canadian The Globe and Mail has him featured at the top of their front page. The BBC has him featured top left. The man is a giant, one of the most famous Canadian actors of any age. I don't know if it's a bias disfavoring entertainment figures, Canadians, or both, but not doing a blurb would be doubling down on previous bad decisions. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the level of significance for a blurb. I was pleasantly surprised earlier, when I saw that he was nominated for RD only, but clearly I raised my hopes too soon. Just to be clear, being a famous person that people have heard of does not mean you're automatically blurbed. Blurbs are for the exceptional few who transcend all others.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Receiving broad coverage at most news sources, and these stories about his career and death are the most-read stories at those sources. Sutherland was a household name, widely respected and richly honored. While the current ITN selection process is biased, public interest is an inherent factor is newsworthiness. To be useful, ITN must grasp that. Other-language ITNs do a much better job of this. Dr Fell (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, weak oppose blurb Big hunger games fan but unfortunately not notable for blurb (I would argue he's more notable then the locked baseball player, though.....) Sharrdx (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb a popular actor but he was not on the top of his field. LiamKorda 03:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was top of his field. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    His field was acting. Meryl Streep and Daniel Day Lewis are the toppers in this field but he isn't. LiamKorda 10:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That of course is an entirely subjective opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A non-subjective opinion held by editors who you want to silence. Abductive (reasoning) 19:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why we need the coverage of why reliable, secondary sources consider a person to be top of their field, which must be present in the article, as to avoid the handwaving either way that a person does or doesn't deserve a blurb. We want to take editors' personal options and IHATEIT/ILIKEIT type arguments (which are occurring even in this blurb discuss) out of the picture and focus on if we are providing the reader the right justification for a blurb. — Masem (t) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photo RD Only He was certainly one of Canada's oldest best actors, but far enough from the top of any easily Googlable list. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You know we don't do photo RDs. He was top Canadian actor. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And you know what Keanu Reeves, Rachel McAdams, Jim Carrey, Sarah Polley, the Trailer Park Boys, Evangeline Lily and Bret Hart say about making our dreams a reality. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is tagged as needing more sources. Not what we need for ITN— Iadmc♫talk  05:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK the More Sources tag has gone as more have been added. Weak Support now — Iadmc♫talk  07:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per Bilbo Beggins, Daniel Quinlan and Dr Fell, who all make excellent points. Jusdafax (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for those people whose deaths and/or funerals could support a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 06:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the only reason for the blurbs. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I too still stand by this argument. I have voted to support death blurbs on an WP:ILIKEIT basis before, but I really think these articles are only suitable for blurbing if we have at least an extensive section on the individual's death. That is the work we are featuring in these situations. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That would mean we blurb barely notable people who die in really odd ways and get a long death section in their article, and I don't think that's what you all really want, but please correct me if I'm wrong. voorts (talk/contributions) 08:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't happen. "Death" does not mean "cause of death", instead it is about our response to the event of a famous person dying. Abductive (reasoning) 09:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does actually include the cause of death. An unfortunate accident or high-profile murder makes something much more likely to blurb. It's not like barely-notable people frequently die by rube-goldberg machine that needs two paragraphs to explain. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Show me a time when that caused a user to nominate someone for a blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 19:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not anywhere in ITN guidelines at all. That would lead to editors gaming the system to fill a death article with reaction kudzu just to justify that article and a blurb. Further, simply having a legit standalone evdeath article would not necessarily be sufficient if the person simply dies of old age. For example, we know Jimmy Carter is close. As a former US president he will likely have a state funeral and all that for a standalone, but whether he would be blurbed just for that is unckearm — Masem (t) 09:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're saying that it would motivate ITN editors to actually update and expand upon the articles they nominate? I'm not seeing the problem there. If the additions are low-quality, the blurb gets rejected for that reason. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Expanding a proper article with proper encyclopedic content would be reasonable. What I fear are editors, being told a requirement for an RD urn is a separate article about their death (which is not in our guidelines) will create an article with dozens of reaction statements from any possible reliable source to demonstrare the death was significant, with actually writing towards why the person should be taken as one of the greats — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a strawman argument. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We know you think Jimmy Carter is close. How many blurb arguments has this page seen since you started saying so? 30? 50? Give it a rest, please. He's a biographically living person. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All I'm saying is that having a separate death article is not any guaranty of having a death blurb, nor a requirement for a blurb — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that was all you're saying, I wouldn't be here. Anyway, after checking to see when you started, I see it's not really a "you problem"; others began earlier and have followed since. Sorry for that. Still, a bit morbid a practice, generally. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, Oppose blurb Certainly RD worthy but I don't think he quite made the blurb -worthy level. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb on notability per BilboBeggins and Dr Fell. Renewal6 (talk) 11:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He is evidently and significantly more famous than Willy Mays and the rest. Citing his appearances in well-known movies from M*A*S*H to the Hunger Games is superfluous busywork. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You will notice that no admin has even posted him to the RD ticker. And the rapid posting and lack of opposition to Willy Mays speaks for itself. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Always with the negative waves..." Andrew🐉(talk) 20:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Accolades section should probably be orange tagged, several missing references to his nominations and awards. Oppose blurb An actor whose had a successful career doesn't rise to the level of ITN mention. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb He was certainly not the most prominent person on his field. Also, I opposed Willie Mays's blurb because I knew that the next non-american death blurb will have people cite his blurb as a reason to push their candidate articles. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb A legendary actor, but not quite to the extent of one that we would blurb. The “but Willie Mays!!!” naysayers are silly. The Kip (contribs) 18:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, support RD, weak support blurb when ready per Daniel Quinlan. Article still has way too many citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please close this? It's already in ITN under RD — Iadmc♫talk  06:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is ongoing about whether or not to have a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see. Got it — Iadmc♫talk  06:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb and photo it's ok just to have an honourable mention as now. Blurb and photo not necessary — Iadmc♫talk  06:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah but it softens the blow to see a photo for the many who wanted a blurb and it didn’t reach consensus to blurb… Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Post-posting comment) I weakly support a stronger mention than the RD list, mainly because there already is a RD blurb, but that blurb by itself illustrates why "most prominent person in the field" is a poor criterion. Baseball has practically no following outside US, Canada and Japan. Hence, I would reckon a similar amount of people is familiar with both Donald Sutherland and Willie Mays. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Roberts has been seen by far more people than Willie Mays has, even though you very likely don't know who this is. Daß Wölf 16:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Far more amount of people are familiar with Donald Sutherland than Willie Mays. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Never heard of Mays. Sutherland is internationally known and acclaimed — Iadmc♫talk  06:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In my opinion, this piece by Guardian shows that he was transformative, revered and top of the field [2]. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Iberian lynx

Posted and will remain so. Stephen 11:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Iberian lynx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The iberian lynx is reclassified from endangered to vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Reuters CBS The Guardian
Credits:
This isn't usually what I see in ITNC, but I think it could be interesting. Inserted more links to news sources to demonstrate that the topic is relevant in the news. Article may need to be updated more with news-relevant information. Staraction (talk | contribs) 15:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose while it is a good and positive news, I do not think it a something that is blurbworthy. I would have supported it if it was a news about the cat's extinction (fortunately it isn't). PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after thinking bout it a bit and reading other users' comments, I have changed my mind. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as per above, but sounds like a good dyk! Sharrdx (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For DYK, the article would have to be expanded fivefold in one week (not possible due to its size) or promoted to GA, so that isn't likely to happen right now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose for this specific case which just doesn't rise to the level of blurbworthiness, but I would be more than happy to see more positive news like this one! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: Support on principle, to support having more positive conservation news on the encyclopedia's main page. Not everything has to be politics and disasters to be blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Chaotic Enby. Even though it is a positive news and make me happy to read it, I am of the opinion that it is not main page worthy. Also because it is not a popular animal or Species. LiamKorda 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very appropriate for encyclopedia to include this on front page. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important and major conservation news. The species was almost extinct not long ago. It's not often that nature topics are on the main page. --Mika1h (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Mika1h. Finally. Bremps... 00:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is just the kind of good news story INT needs and the article is well written and sourced— Iadmc♫talk  06:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, a reclassification "on paper" with no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 06:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This “paper” does not aim to have an impact, but the importance is that this reclassification is the confirmation of a reality, which is what is being debated if it is ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It certainly does, the humans who wrote the report were probably happy, maybe they took their spouses out to dinner. But this is just minor news of no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 09:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Good news, and a decent article for us to feature. I would wonder if a move into "Near-Threatened" would be more appropriate for a feature than a move from "Endangered" to "Vulnerable." I hope to see more stories like this nominated, as it's a great way for us to feature our animal articles in ITN. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been very big news in Spain and Portugal, where the lynx is basically the de facto symbol of environmental conservation. Lynx numbers aren't just growing, they're also spreading out to different areas than the ones they were reintroduced to. It's raised conversations about other areas of conservation, including rabbits, the main source of food for the lynx, which are currently suffering from a disease outbreak. It even has political relevance, as the destruction of the lynx was started in the Francoist period; debates on the legacy of Francoism are a huge issue in Spanish politics right now. I just can't understand the argument that this has "no lasting impact". --Grnrchst (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added this information re. hunting, and Franco's influence, to the article. Thanks for pointing it out! Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally the "positive news" arguments are unproductive, and, IMO, irrelevant. To this end, I was somewhat of the belief of opposing this as an administrative change (there are several endangered tiers, this is only between two adjacent ones, but Grnrchst's argument on the impact is convincing, so I'm also going to go support, even if the story is somewhat not just about the relisting itself. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted – robertsky (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support something to dilute the constant deaths spam. me likey Kasperquickly (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Article looks good and I personally find any species on the brink of extinction blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A "vulnerable" species is three IUCN levels away from the brink of extinction. That's not a post-posting oppose or anything, as a good-looking animal article (especially with fur) is a sight for sore eyes. Just a reminder. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Kiril Simeonovski and BilboBeggins. This is what encyclopedic news looks like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hear, hear! Yakikaki (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 19

June 19, 2024 (2024-06-19) (Wednesday)

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(Posted) RD: Ashin Munindabhivamsa

Article: Ashin Munindabhivamsa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Burmese
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Htanaungg (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George M. Woodwell

Article: George M. Woodwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American ecologist. Founder of the Woodwell Climate Research Center. Death announced 19 June. Thriley (talk) 19:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Whole uncited paragraphs. Needs some work before getting posted. More independent references needed. Bremps... 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose whole article is weirdly written, there are some primary sources and needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Vandalism of Stonehenge

Good faith nomination, however consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Vandalism of Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The prehistoric Stonehenge is vandalized by Just Stop Oil climate protesters. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post The Guardian
Credits:
ArionStar (talk) 00:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Arvind

Article: Arvind (computer scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MIT News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are multiple cn tags and also some sources are primary in nature. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Hajj disaster

Article: 2024 Hajj disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 922 pilgrims died due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Saudi Arabia, at least 900 people die due to extreme heat during the Hajj
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over one thousand pilgrims die due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj
News source(s): France24 AP
Credits:

Afif Brika1 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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