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June 16

June 16, 2024 (2024-06-16) (Sunday)

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Arts and culture

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Law and crime

  • Seven people are injured and one other person is injured while running away in a shooting at a pop-up party in Methuen, Massachusetts, United States. (AP)

Politics and elections

Sports

2024 24 Hours of Le Mans

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Article: 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, the Ferrari AF Corse crew of Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured).
News source(s): Autosport
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article needs some work. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 15

June 15, 2024 (2024-06-15) (Saturday)

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(Closed) English Whisky Guild

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: English Whisky Guild (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ English whisky Guild releases first annual report (Post)
News source(s): Herald Scotland, Northant Telegraph, Whisky Magazine
Nominator's comments: Topic was in the news 15/96/24 and previously on the 14/06/2024 on the 4/06/2024. ChefBear01 (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2024‎
@Abcmaxx: Thank you I have added a blurb that should clarify the story more precisely.ChefBear01 (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2024 Kasai River disaster

Article: 2024 Kasai River disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ship capsizes in the Kasai River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, killing over 80 people. (Post)
News source(s): MSN

Over 80 people have died when an overloaded ship has sunk in Congo. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Needs some cleanup, and it should be a blurb, not ongoing. Regarding notability, we posted Sinking of the Zico but did not post 2024 Bangui river disaster, so I'm not sure. Sadly, those tragic incidents seem all too commonplace... Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really have in mind the "third-world country" aspect of it, but it's true that where it happened shouldn't matter for notability, especially since we just posted 2024 Mangaf building fire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly even now the Bangui article is well below par for quality and length for posting. That was why it wasn't posted, so we shouldn't judge it that way. This article still needs more content before it meets the quality aspects we expect. — Masem (t) 15:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, in this case I would support on notability, provided the article is expanded enough. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Kwara boat disaster was also posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would support the story for notability, but the article is too short and in need of cleanup to meet quality and updated content standards. To quote the updated content standards, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have expended the stub a bit and aded info about 21 children. Would the size suffice in your opinion? Thanks! With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now, it seems rather suitable in scale to me? Start-class rather than a stub.2601:445:600:4C80:E1A5:FB7C:658C:937F (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2024

Clear consensus against posting as ongoing. The winner will be posted as a blurb if the article is in shape then. --Tone 09:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: UEFA Euro 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
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Yesterday marked the first match, the main international football championship in Europe, so it should be added to ongoing now. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I do not believe we have posted the Euros to Ongoing before (I checked 2016 and 2021 and they were both proposed but rejected). If I remember correctly the only sporting events that are posted to Ongoing are the Olympics and the (football) World Cup. Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree here... Olympics and World Cup have wide international exposure as one of the reasons for these in ongoing. While this event is multinational, I don't think we should use ongoing for it. — Masem (t) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major soccer event. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose post results when done Ion.want.uu (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Ready) RD: Kevin Campbell

Article: Kevin Campbell (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English footballer, played for Arsenal and Everton (amongst others). Article needs a bit of referencing. I think this is good enough now. Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Matija Sarkic

Article: Matija Sarkic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Montenegran footballer. Article is reasonably well sourced but needs tidying up. Black Kite (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

June 14, 2024 (2024-06-14) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • At least six people are killed and more than 1,000 tourists are stranded in heavy rains and landslides across the state of Sikkim, India. (Reuters)

Health and environment

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Politics and elections

RD: Sreedharan Champad

Article: Sreedharan Champad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mathrubhumi (India)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian malayalam language author and historian. Ktin (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George Nethercutt

Article: George Nethercutt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KremThe Spokesman-Review.
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American lawyer, author, and politician, very notable for defeating U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley in 1994.Needs a bit more work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Guy Warren (artist)

Article: Guy Warren (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SMH
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit more work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 South African presidential election

Article: 2024 South African presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president, forming a government of national unity with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In South Africa, ANC leader Cyril Ramaphosa is re-elected as president via a coalition with the Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw55w4z3gqeo
Credits:

One of the most historic days in South African history! For the first time since the end of apartheid, the ANC no longer controls the government, and has coalitioned with the DA opposition. This is pretty huge for the country, as this is almost the equivalent of Republicans and Democrats forming a coalition government. Lots of media coverage as well. Might be good to create a separate article on the new government that has formed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

June 13, 2024 (2024-06-13) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • The general secretary of the miners' confederation in Mali announces that at least 22 miners have died in Kalana, Mali, following the collapse of a mine tunnel five days ago. (Reuters)

Health and environment

  • A heatwave forces Greek authorities to close the Acropolis for visits during the afternoon. (AP)

International relations

Law and crime

RD: Angela Bofill

Article: Angela Bofill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard Deadline
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer-songwriter.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Laurence Gluck

Article: Laurence Gluck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Commercial Observer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American real estate investor and landlord.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Mangaf fire

Article: 2024 Mangaf building fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 50 people have died after a fire broke out in a residential building in Kuwait City's suburb of Mangaf. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, France 24
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 06:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's now 2024 Kuwait Mangaf building fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to 2024 Mangaf building fire. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support High death toll with significant coverage and a rare occurrence in the area. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 12

June 12, 2024 (2024-06-12) (Wednesday)

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Science and technology

RD: William H. Donaldson

Article: William H. Donaldson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former SEC chair. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost ready but the Yale School of Management claim is uncited, and doesn't seem to be corroborated by the school's article. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through and cited the SOM info as best as I could. It seems like a lot of it is derived from a speech, so I worry about credibility. Also from a cursory look, there is a ton of info out there that needs to be added to this bio/article. Does not even mention his work as Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs in the body prose. Wish I had the time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Almost ready) RD: Mike Downey (columnist)

Article: Mike Downey (columnist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American newspaper columnist needs expansion.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Majed Abu Maraheel

Article: Majed Abu Maraheel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Felesteen
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

First Palestinian Olympian and flag-bearer. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Neil Goldschmidt

Article: Neil Goldschmidt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oregon Live
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

(Posted) RD: Robert Hughes (basketball)

Article: Robert Hughes (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American high school basketball coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Fineman

Article: Howard Fineman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American journalist and television commentator.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:34, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed, posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry West

No consensus to blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Jerry West (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American basketball player Jerry West (pictured) dies at the age of 86 (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the Los Angeles Lakers KENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still one CN tag in the "early life" section. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 14:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
@Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport. BD2412 T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Natg 19 The last one was Franz Beckenbauer in January this year. Given that he, Pele and Maradona (also blurbed) were generally regarded as the three greatest players of their generation, those were no-brainers really. The only living footballers that I can think of who might deserve a blurb are Messi, C.Ronaldo, Zidane and possibly the original Ronaldo, and hopefully we won't be meeting any of those here any time soon. Black Kite (talk) 09:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If O.J.’s excluded, I believe Kelvin Kiptum was the most recent athlete to be blurbed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I forgot him. Although him dying at 25 in non-usual circumstances also helped. Black Kite (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt this is getting blurbed, as the soccer (football) players you listed above who were blurbed also have a claim to be the GOATs at their position. But Jerry was one of the greatest of his generation (1960s), along with Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Oscar Robertson. Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, part of my reasoning for Russell was his civil rights impact. The same reason I think Jim Brown was worthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with orbitalbuzzsaw, ideally, deaths should be blurbed if the death has a tangible impact, "famous person dies" is otherwise what RD is for. I won't oppose the exceptional blurbing of someone of the Thatcher/Mandela standard, as their death will likely have some level of impact (a good rule of thumb is whether the person has an article for their death, like death of Nelson Mandela). It really should be about impact, not about popularity and/or unusualness of the death. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Russell should’ve been blurbed, but the failure to blurb Russell shouldn’t affect West. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
West may be less notable than Russell as a player, but his accomplishments as a player & GM may make West more notable than Russell. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficient quality for RD, but there isn't anything particularly noteworthy about the death in itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb This is the type of person for whom Recent Deaths was created. We should not be blurbing the death of every basketballer (or every sportsperson generally) just because they were better than average. Chrisclear (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He was elected to the Basketball HOF on 3 separate occasions, is the only person to be enshrined as a player & a contributor (the latter is for his accomplishments as a GM) & his silhouette is the basis for the NBA’s logo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not of Thatcher or Mandela stature, and it's really time to stop proposing blurbs for all and sundry, just because they were successful sportsmen or whatever.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Perfect for RD, but not exactly world-changing. Yakikaki (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD, while his achievements are noteworthy within basketball, he's completely unknown for people who isn't into basketball. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. There don't seem to be quality concerns, so no need to wait on the RD. Discussion can continue on possible blurbing, although I'd imagine consensus isn't in favour of that as yet. (disclaimer: I'm involved on that score as I already opined on the question above). Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - the idea that it needs to be Mandela or Thatcher (seriously, why is Margaret Thatcher cited here lol) is not one that has any basis in the guidelines or our past history. West was transformational in his sport, no less so than Shane Warne for example. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Mandela-Thatcher standard is very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thatcher and Mandela both died in 2013, so you might have gotten your timeline mixed up a little bit here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I said it was while they were only mostly dead; see the last (now shown first) entry regarding hospital whataboutism in Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/December 2012. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My bad, looks like I misread, sorry! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, some people are fond of repeating the same thing, based on some misguided belief that Margaret Thatcher, giggle, is in the same league as Nelson Mandela in basically any way, and then they try to impose that as the standard for any blurb of a death. If Nelson Mandela is the standard we should never blurb another person's death unless they die in unusually noteworthy circumstances. nableezy - 23:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Idk why I’m engaging with this, but we blurb plenty of non heads of state, and I literally laugh out loud when people blurt out Thatcher here. But Shane Warne would be the closest example here, and guess what, blurbed. Please stop with the Thatcher Mandela nonsense, because a. The two of them aren’t in the same league anyway, and b. That has nothing to do with if a person should be or has been blurbed. nableezy - 02:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The reason we use them as examples is that both had a significant impact on their country's politics clearly demonstrating how they were great figures and top of their field (it also helped both had significant state funerals that lasted multiple days). It's why we're looking we're looking for the same here, and this article lacks a significant demonstration of why he had a lasting impact or legacy (I'm ignoring the NBA logo issue here). He's got some but not anywhere close to what we'd see with other sport legends like Pele or Jim Brown Masem (t) 03:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The difference between West and Wayne vs. Mandela and Thatcher is that most people in the world have some semblance of knowledge of who either Thatcher or Mandela were due to their international impact. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who knows either West or Warne unless they're already interested in that specific sport. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Shane Warne's death was blurbed, in case you missed that part. nableezy - 13:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb: No doubt he's an important part of the history of the NBA, but for such a young sport/league, I think it's tough to argue that a guy who's not a consensus top 3 of the most important NBA people should be blurbed.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb His death is non-remarkable. HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 11

June 11, 2024 (2024-06-11) (Tuesday)

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RD: Éric Tappy

Article: Éric Tappy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTS (in French, among others)
Credits:

Article updated
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Legendary Swiss tenor, Orfeo, Tamino, Pelleas. There wasn't much of an article, sadly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Marina Tarkovskaya

Article: Marina Tarkovskaya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Pais
Credits:

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Russian writer and critic. The younger sister of Andrei Tarkovsky. Thriley (talk) 22:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Lo Bianco

Article: Tony Lo Bianco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

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American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Orest Lenczyk

Article: Orest Lenczyk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport/TVN24 (in Polish)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nationally famous Polish football manager. Needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(RD posted) RD/blurb: Françoise Hardy

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Article: Françoise Hardy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French singer-songwriter and actress Françoise Hardy (pictured) dies at the age of 80 (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde , The Guardian
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article is updated and well sourced. Seeing how the article definitely reflects her legacy, impact on French culture and also impact on the modern-day music industry, not sure if it warrants a blurb? Regardless, article (IMO) is good for RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, we have posted Tina Turner and Tony Bennet as blurbs before, based in the "major contributors" or "transformative in their field" rationale. Hardy may belong to the same league. Alexcalamaro (talk) 02:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hunter Biden

Consensus to post is unlikely to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Hunter Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hunter Biden, son of U.S. President Joe Biden, is convicted in a federal court in Delaware on three felony counts of possession of a firearm while under the influence of narcotics. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Mia Mahey (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Update on H. Biden's article is sufficient and event should be historic enough to warrant a blurb. Bremps... 18:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per RPH. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The events of his life have little real world impact. Compare it to the recent Indian election, where hundreds of millions of people voted in a democratic election to form a new government. You can't compare the scale of the two events. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Khushboo (Pakistani actress)

Article: Khushboo (Pakistani actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:

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Ainty Painty (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 10

June 10, 2024 (2024-06-10) (Monday)

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(Posted) RD: Brad Dusek

Article: Brad Dusek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/blurb: Saulos Chilima

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Article: Saulos Chilima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Malawi Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and 9 others are killed in a plane crash (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A plane crash in Malawi causes the death of Vice President Saulos Chilima (pictured) and nine others.
News source(s): The Times of IndiaCNN
Credits:

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Malawi Vice President died in Air Crash.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe, blurb? Андрій ЯЧ (talk) 11:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The plane crash event is noteworthy enough to be a blurb. 10 casualties including VP of a country. Didgogns (talk) 15:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb Article is of sufficient quality and event is major enough. Bremps... 18:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
added altblurb. Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Lawson (activist)

Article: James Lawson (activist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tennessee Lookout,Los Angeles Sentinel
Credits:

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American activist and university professor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Steele Hall

Article: Steele Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Credits:

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Premier of South Australia and Australian Senator.

NB: I created this article (20 years ago). Hall is perhaps most famous for changing electoral laws to remove the gerrymander that had kept his party in government for decades, thus all but ensuring his defeat at the next election. There can't be too many examples of politicians willing to do such a thing. --Roisterer (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Roisterer, could you address the CN tags in the article please? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

European Parliament election

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Article: 2024 European Parliament election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European People's Party Group wins the most seats in the European Parliament election (outcome pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) obtains the most seats in the European Parliament election.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

I see lots of news reports about this so what exactly are we waiting for? It might help to make a start. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Might be good to mention the surge in support of right-wing parties in the European Parliament, which has been a massive talking point in this election PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, this seems to be the main thing the news is reporting. Curbon7 (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Ursula von der Leyen did not run in this election, and the leader of the EPP is currently the German politician Manfred Weber. --2.248.103.101 (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure of all the details but the BBC live report indicates that she's in the driving seat, e.g.

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen says she will approach social democratic and liberal parties that she has worked with in the past to form a majority in the European Parliament.

    The nominated article lists seven alliances and four of them are shown to have leaders who were not running as MEPs. If there's a better way of explaining the result, I expect there will be alt blurbs suggested. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment von der Leyen is the main candidate, but not the leader of the EPP group. It should as such not say "led by" in the text. I would instead replace it with "The European People's Party Group (main candidate Ursula von der Leyen pictured) wins the most seats in the European Parliament election." I will also say that I would be cautious with writing anything which could imply that UvdL is guarenteed to continue as Commission President. So I would prefer using the term "win" if it is possible. Gust Justice (talk) 19:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To understand this, I read Ursula von der Leyen in pole position.... This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. So, that seems to be a separate process, just as election of the US President is separate from the election of Congress. Right? I'm therefore not convinced that we ought to personalise this by showing a particular politician but it's good to have an image of some sort. I'll adjust the nomination... Andrew🐉(talk) 19:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This indicates that her getting a second term as President is decided by national leaders and then endorsed by the parliament. Leaders of the 27 member states (on June 27) and majority of MEPs (secret ballot voting; tentative July 18) [2]. So imo, delay this ITN to July 18.— hako9 (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the blurb which was posted in 2019 was as follows:

In the European Parliament election, the centre-right and centre-left lose seats. Liberals, the far-right, greens and regionalists make the largest gains.

The Presidential process was not included. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The article is about the elections to the European Parliament. Because of the unusual institutional setup of the EU, the election of the Commission President is a separate, later election (as noted above), and in any case the Commission isn't exactly equivalent to a government in function and form. I would therefore strongly suggest a blurb focusing only on the parliamentary elections and the outcome in terms of party groups, and leave VDL out of this for now. There is however no reason to delay the article until she is reelected (or not) as that election is another affair, strictly speaking. Yakikaki (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 9

June 9, 2024 (2024-06-09) (Sunday)

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(Posted) RD: Lynn Conway

Article: Lynn Conway (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American computer scientist, and transgender activist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Edward C. Stone

Article: Edward C. Stone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Time
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: American space scientist. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ GERB wins a plurality of seats in the Bulgarian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ GERB–SDS wins the most seats in the Bulgarian parliamentary election, but it does not obtain a majority in the National Assembly.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Part 2 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections, and Bulgaria's 6th general election in 3 years. Curbon7 (talk) 21:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: I added some sentences to the lead & an altblurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Simon Cowell (conservationist)

Article: Simon Cowell (conservationist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British conservationist. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an argument for opposing. You can create a discussion on the talk page to change the "usual RD way" if that is an issue for you. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson is that a real policy argument for opposing a RD? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 21:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue has come up before but I don’t recall exactly how disambiguation was done. The point is that we need to make it clear which Simon Cowell we’re talking about. It’s a significant BLP issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there have been rare instances where the name with disambiguator is in the RD line, i.e. Simon Cowell (conservationist). But this is usually up to the posting admin to decide. Natg 19 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Searching, I find a previous case was Sudan in 2018 in which a disambiguation was added. More recently, a rough consensus to disambiguate in such cases was agreed in this discussion. And this was then done for a Bob Brown. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Stephen altered this back to the "regular" format (Simon Cowell), but then switched it to its current form (Simon M. Cowell). This seems to be a workable compromise to me. Natg 19 (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) 2024 Belgian federal election

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Article: 2024 Belgian federal election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Belgian federal election, the incumbent coalition government, led by prime minister Alexander De Croo, lose their parliamentary majority. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Belgian federal election, the New Flemish Alliance remains the largest party in parliament, but the governing coalition (prime minister Alexander De Croo pictured) loses its majority.
News source(s): The Guardian, AP News, Politico
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Part 1 of Europe's "Super Sunday" elections. Curbon7 (talk) 06:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is ready to go Sharrdx (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I added prose to the "Opinion polls" section, but the article may need more citations. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Including for the part that you added, Blaylockjam10. Schwede66 01:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s true. I based that on the lead of the Opinion polling for the 2024 Belgian elections article, but I’m going to do some alterations based on what’s in the body of that article. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only one CN tag left, regarding that polling sentence YD407OTZ (talk) 02:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've had a closer look. To understand what's going on, I had a look at the composition of the Vivaldi coalition. Adding up the seats of the seven parties that make up the coalition, I come to 76 seats, i.e. 2 more than the remaining parties. That isn't spelled out in the article or in any of the result tables; please tell me if I've missed that. Either way, if I've got that right, then both hooks above are factually wrong. What am I missing? Schwede66 03:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, however multiple parties (Open VLD - which supplied the PM -, Groen, PS) in the Vivaldi coalition have announced they don't want to be part of the new government due to the bad results for their party. I'm not defending the blurbs as they're written right now, but it's a little bit more complicated than just adding seats. YD407OTZ (talk) 05:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) French Open

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Article: 2024 French Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Iga Świątek wins the Women's Singles and Carlos Alcaraz wins the Men's Singles at the French Open. (Post)
News source(s): Women's singles, Men's Singles
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This year's article has prose which various previous grand slam nominations lacked. PrinceofPunjabTALK 17:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Siri Kannangara

Article: Siri Kannangara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Times, Daily FT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Inducted to the Football Australia Hall of Fame in 2002. He was also conferred with a Member (AM) in the General Division of the Order of Australia during 2013 Queen's Birthday Honours (Australia). Abishe (talk) 17:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Classicwiki My apologies. I hope I have rectified the phrase correctly. Can you double check on that. --Abishe (talk) 08:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This has a lot of details & enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael Mosley

Article: Michael Mosley (broadcaster) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC, BBC, ITV, NYT, NZ Herald
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Date found dead. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 08:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Per WP:ITNDONT, "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand what you're getting at, but isn't that aimed at "Irrelevant for me/I don't like country X, so therefore I oppose." opposes? I'm not trying game, but what I'm getting at is that I don't think his death is particularly meaningful to the vast majority of people outside the UK to warrant a blurb, compared to that of major world leader or similarly internationally well known person. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See How the presenter transformed people's lives, "It is not an exaggeration to say Dr Michael Mosley transformed people’s lives. ... Tributes are now pouring in..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Not a transformative figure, which is the general criteria for a death blurb to be posted. And Television section needs more sources before being posted to RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't support a blurb either, but surely in this case the criteria would be "death is the story" rather than him being "transformative." Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In that case, the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not. And not every unusual RD has to be a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The story was on the front page of most UK papers today. And that's after days of similar coverage. And all that's before the body was found so there will be even more tomorrow. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And today, following discovery of the body, the news is on the front page of every UK newspaper except the FT. The coverage is mostly the main photo story or takes the entire front page. While on Wikipedia, it was the top read article for the day, getting half a million views while William Anders got just 40K. The RD picks that ITN is actually running got comparatively few views; they are obviously not prominent in the news and readers aren't interested in a dry list of unknown names. Useless.
We can expect yet more coverage tomorrow as the news is still breaking. The latest is that they've found CCTV of him falling down... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITN, and especially RD, isn't just about how many views the articles are getting. Especially since we're not picking RDs based on fame or anything, but based on article quality. And, for some people outside of the UK, Michael Mosley can be just as much of an unknown name as any of them. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 10:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew keeps pushing this argument, and it's nonsense. The number of views an article receives should have no impact whatsoever on whether we post it to ITN. I think perhaps we should update ITNCDONT to reflect this, because it's getting tiresome. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GenevieveDEon: Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents is that way. BangJan1999 13:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, the posting of RD blurbs is determined on a "a sui generis basis" which seems to mean that anything goes and so editors may support or oppose for their own reasons. Chaotic Enby's reason for not posting was that "the death isn't a major news story either. Unusual, yes, front-page story, probably not". Evidence is therefore needed to show that this claim is false. The story is, in fact, all over the front pages and the evidence is that it's dwarfing the recent accidental death of William Anders for whom a blurb has also been suggested. See evidence-based practice. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD oppose blurb Article looks good and was a notable figure in the uk Sharrdx (talk) 13:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb Extensively covered in British news for the last few days. Death very unlikely to be foul play, probably not notable enough for blurb. Angusgtw (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb: Very extensive media coverage. No issues with article quality (although now stuck with an inappropriate image).Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: post-mortem has established that he died on 5 June. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @SchroCat, @Joseph2302, @Tone, @Amakuru, I have tried to source the television section. I am marking it as ready (at least for RD), feel free to remove if you think more needs to be done.
(Given the number of times I have done this, I wonder WP:FILMOGRAPHY/MOS:FILMOGRAPHY guidance language should be updated to highly recommend references.) --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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