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June 23

June 23, 2024 (2024-06-23) (Sunday)

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June 22, 2024 (2024-06-22) (Saturday)

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June 21, 2024 (2024-06-21) (Friday)

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RD: Jamie Kellner

Article: Jamie Kellner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American TV executive. Founded Fox and the WB. Article still needs some details and would be nice to have infobox with photo. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 10:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Spiridon Vangheli

Article: Spiridon Vangheli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Președinte.md, TVR Moldova
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Moldovan/Bessarabian/Romanian writer and prose writer. Known worldwide for his book Guguță. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.55.27.113 (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as Classicwiki said, article needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James K. Irving

Article: James K. Irving (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail, CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian businessman and member of the Irving family in New Brunswick; last living son of K. C. Irving, his younger brother died a month prior.B3251(talk) 00:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Darren Lewis (American football)

Article: Darren Lewis (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait - lacking inline citations. Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose College section have no source at all. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Keith Locke

Article: Keith Locke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff, Radio NZ
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

New Zealand politician ecologist. Died June 21, 2024. Kiwichris (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've beaten me to it by 12 minutes, Kiwichris. Schwede66 02:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready article is in a very good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Cn tags have been sorted now. Kiwichris (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

June 20, 2024 (2024-06-20) (Thursday)

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RD: Joshua Wade

Article: Joshua Wade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anchorage Daily News, AP
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American serial killer. Article published 20 June, but appears to have died 14 June. Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support this individual. It is just a recent death I read about.--Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971)

Article: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former Indian cricketer. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Brief career" Oppose — Iadmc♫talk  16:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does "Brief career" mean? All that was accomplished in his career has been included. Unless you are referring to his career being brief and hence not important to post? If so -- I would request you have a look at the note above i.e. Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Taylor Wily

Article: Taylor Wily (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I sourced selected filmography list. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Russell Morash

Article: Russell Morash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WGBH
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American television producer and director. Created/produced/directed The French Chef, The Victory Garden, This Old House, and The New Yankee Workshop. Thriley (talk) 03:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Donald Sutherland

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Article: Donald Sutherland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian actor Donald Sutherland (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Natg 19 (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality Article needs major ref work done as there are unsourced statements in career section, award section and a bit in the early life section. Might support blurb if article reflects his impact/how influential he was. Support blurb once article is up to shape. Defitnely notable and influential based on legacy section and per other arguments. Real shame. RIP President Snow. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Top of his field, the best actor that we had. His body of work tells you lot, his films are jewels of world cinema. And he was active to last years of his life, so it is decades-spanning career. Him dying is a very big news. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not much point in talking about a blurb until the sourcing is improved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support RD sufficient quality now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb as RD proposer. A good/famous actor but does not rise to the level of a blurb. Will try to do more sourcing work later today. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb simply having numerous films under their belt, nothing in the article indicates he was a great figure in the acting world (eg no legacy or impact) Masem (t) 19:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But he was a great figure in acting world, we know it. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's nowhere stated in the article. Simply being an actor with a lot of roles and even a few Oscar's isn't enough, that's handwaving. We need an indepth coverage to explain why he has a legacy or impact from his career. — Masem (t) 20:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He is a brand, it's as simple as that.
    The point of blurbing deaths of famous people is to inform that person known worldwide died, like in case of Sydney Poitier, Henry Kissinger, Jiang Zemin, the Queen.
    We blurbed former Greece King, surely we can blurb Sutherland? BilboBeggins (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The RD line serves that purpose. Blurbs are reserved for cases where the death has draw attention or in the case or great figures that represent transformative ppl on their field — Masem (t) 21:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ironically, Sutherland did not win an Oscar, and actually won few traditional awards. He is noted as one of the "best without an Oscar", though he got an honorary one in 2017. Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready for the usual reason. Oppose blurb on merits. Sutherland was a good and well-known actor, but not in the top tier of the profession. Not that long ago the community turned down Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. I'm interpreting that as setting a very high bar for blurbs for actors. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Two giants were turned down wrongly, it's bad to refer to wrong decisions.
    He passes Sidney Poitier threshold and is bigger than Betty White whom we blurbed. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Betty White was a bad post because it was based on popularity. Poitier has a significant impact on Hollywood due to his acting skills and race, which he extended after his career, creating a clear legacy. There is not really anything to say the same for D. Sutherland here, which is needed to post a blurb — Masem (t) 21:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Poitier was famous for lead roles in films that were nominated for Oscar in important categories or won. Poitier had activism, Sutherland was active in anti-Vietnam war movement.
    They both won honorary Oscars.
    But unlike Poitier, who in his last thirty or thirty five years only had one prominent role in Jackal, Sutherland had dozens of them. Pride and Prejudice, Six degrees of separation, Cold mountain, and I am listing only Oscar nommed films. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Correct. Hollywood actors are known figures, but they're still just actors, and we shouldn't overstate their world impact. Sutherland is worthy of being listed on the front page as RD but not with a blurb as a top story. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per above and as a matter of principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The irony here, of course, is that we almost certainly not going to blurb Sutherland, a very famous and widely loved actor, but we have just blurbed Mays, someone about which the vast majority of the planet would say "who?". (That's not a comment on Americentrism by the way, we have blurbed two non-American sportspeople this year as well). We really do need to think about how illogical this process is. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    100% agreement although I don't accept it as a foregone conclusion based on several votes. If several days are needed to improve the article's citations and make his legacy clearer, we should allow that, but his death is major news and that's the entire point of ITN. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I also thought about this. Why we blurbed Mays, who has 30 wikipages, Shane Warne, who had 30 wiki pages at the moment of his death, but we didn't blurb Vangelis, we didn't blurb Christopher Plummer (in my opinion we should jave blurbed him).
    Donald Sutherland has 80 wiki pages, he is household name worldwide. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I definitely feel that this process is odd and unintuitive, so either we should get rid of death blurbs altogether, or codify the process to which one gets a death blurb. Currently, it is seems arbitrary and based on "transcendence" and "significant impact", whatever that actually means. I personally am biased in favor of sportspeople, but there needs to be a way to eliminate personal biases from ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN is not about fame or popularity. Blurbs should be for great figures with articles that are some of our best content, even if the person is obscure or not well know outside their field. Otherwise when we use fame or name recognition, ITN blurbs favor western people and those in highly public area like politics or entertainment. We have to fight that bias by not considered fame or obscurity as long as the death is reported by multiple sources and the article respects our best work to be featured on the main page. — Masem (t) 00:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But this is my biggest issue though, what makes someone a "great figure"? Some here would argue that Sutherland is. Not sure how you define "best content" either. Does the article have be a GA or FA? Natg 19 (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The two main factors specified on WP:ITN are a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments. The article has already been significantly improved and it continues to improve. Two days ago, it had an ORES predicted quality of C (3.74), but it's now B (3.88). There are 80 language links on the article. It's front page news on Le Monde (French), The Times of India (Indian English), and The Asahi Shimbun (Japanese). That is not indicative of Western bias. It shouldn't be up to anyone here to overrule the news to decide he's not a "great figure". It's major news and replacing an old news item such as the NBA finals with a blurb about Donald Sutherland's death would significantly improve the main page. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNRDBLURB is the criteria for RD blurbs, which are in addition to the main ITN criteria we don't have to use fame, popularity, role count, or other factors, we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that. That type of content and sourcing from secondary RSes is how we determine a "great figure", and not simply by how much coverage an RD gets. — Masem (t) 03:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My points about the international significance and coverage remain valid. I'm not arguing based on fame, popularity, or role count, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning those. The selective approach often taken here towards recent deaths reads as elitist and disregards the impact of films and television on culture. Discounting his role in M*A*S*H which had a major impact on views of war and authority, his performance in Ordinary People, and his other contributions seems shortsighted. As to his impact on the field, he was honored with an honorary Academy Award for lifetime achievement in 2017. The Academy doesn't award those to any old schlub that's famous. His recent death is newsworthy and would serve as a more compelling current use of the ITN blurbs than several entries currently featured. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that Sutherland had a massive impact in the field of cinema, as is indicated by news publications worldwide prominently reporting on his death. The fact that our article wrongly doesn't reflect that point doesn't mean anything (cf. WP:ARTN). voorts (talk/contributions) 08:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For purpose of what ITN is and that blurb RDs are meant to be exceptions from the rule, and that blurbed items are supposed to reflect the best of WP's work, the failure of the article to be properly sourced as a BLP and the lack of content from secondary sources on how he impacted the industry or left a legacy in clear format is a major roadblock in considering this as an a blurb. International coverage US inly a indicator if a famous name, unkess all that coverage speaks to his legacy and not simply talking about his death or reprintimg wire stories. — Masem (t) 09:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will add that since this ITN was started a Legacy section has been added which starts bring this more in line with demonstrating"great figure". But it is still miles away in terms of sourcing to be even included as an RD. — Masem (t) 11:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And Mays certainly did not deserve a blurb as I’ve repeatedly said This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. The New York Times has not one, not two, but three features about him on their front page right now. The Canadian The Globe and Mail has him featured at the top of their front page. The BBC has him featured top left. The man is a giant, one of the most famous Canadian actors of any age. I don't know if it's a bias disfavoring entertainment figures, Canadians, or both, but not doing a blurb would be doubling down on previous bad decisions. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the level of significance for a blurb. I was pleasantly surprised earlier, when I saw that he was nominated for RD only, but clearly I raised my hopes too soon. Just to be clear, being a famous person that people have heard of does not mean you're automatically blurbed. Blurbs are for the exceptional few who transcend all others.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Receiving broad coverage at most news sources, and these stories about his career and death are the most-read stories at those sources. Sutherland was a household name, widely respected and richly honored. While the current ITN selection process is biased, public interest is an inherent factor is newsworthiness. To be useful, ITN must grasp that. Other-language ITNs do a much better job of this. Dr Fell (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, weak oppose blurb Big hunger games fan but unfortunately not notable for blurb (I would argue he's more notable then the locked baseball player, though.....) Sharrdx (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb a popular actor but he was not on the top of his field. LiamKorda 03:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    He was top of his field. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    His field was acting. Meryl Streep and Daniel Day Lewis are the toppers in this field but he isn't. LiamKorda 10:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That of course is an entirely subjective opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A non-subjective opinion held by editors who you want to silence. Abductive (reasoning) 19:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why we need the coverage of why reliable, secondary sources consider a person to be top of their field, which must be present in the article, as to avoid the handwaving either way that a person does or doesn't deserve a blurb. We want to take editors' personal options and IHATEIT/ILIKEIT type arguments (which are occurring even in this blurb discuss) out of the picture and focus on if we are providing the reader the right justification for a blurb. — Masem (t) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photo RD Only He was certainly one of Canada's oldest best actors, but far enough from the top of any easily Googlable list. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You know we don't do photo RDs. He was top Canadian actor. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And you know what Keanu Reeves, Rachel McAdams, Jim Carrey, Sarah Polley, the Trailer Park Boys, Evangeline Lily and Bret Hart say about making our dreams a reality. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is tagged as needing more sources. Not what we need for ITN— Iadmc♫talk  05:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OK the More Sources tag has gone as more have been added. Weak Support now — Iadmc♫talk  07:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per Bilbo Beggins, Daniel Quinlan and Dr Fell, who all make excellent points. Jusdafax (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for those people whose deaths and/or funerals could support a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 06:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the only reason for the blurbs. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I too still stand by this argument. I have voted to support death blurbs on an WP:ILIKEIT basis before, but I really think these articles are only suitable for blurbing if we have at least an extensive section on the individual's death. That is the work we are featuring in these situations. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That would mean we blurb barely notable people who die in really odd ways and get a long death section in their article, and I don't think that's what you all really want, but please correct me if I'm wrong. voorts (talk/contributions) 08:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't happen. "Death" does not mean "cause of death", instead it is about our response to the event of a famous person dying. Abductive (reasoning) 09:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It does actually include the cause of death. An unfortunate accident or high-profile murder makes something much more likely to blurb. It's not like barely-notable people frequently die by rube-goldberg machine that needs two paragraphs to explain. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Show me a time when that caused a user to nominate someone for a blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 19:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not anywhere in ITN guidelines at all. That would lead to editors gaming the system to fill a death article with reaction kudzu just to justify that article and a blurb. Further, simply having a legit standalone evdeath article would not necessarily be sufficient if the person simply dies of old age. For example, we know Jimmy Carter is close. As a former US president he will likely have a state funeral and all that for a standalone, but whether he would be blurbed just for that is unckearm — Masem (t) 09:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're saying that it would motivate ITN editors to actually update and expand upon the articles they nominate? I'm not seeing the problem there. If the additions are low-quality, the blurb gets rejected for that reason. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Expanding a proper article with proper encyclopedic content would be reasonable. What I fear are editors, being told a requirement for an RD urn is a separate article about their death (which is not in our guidelines) will create an article with dozens of reaction statements from any possible reliable source to demonstrare the death was significant, with actually writing towards why the person should be taken as one of the greats — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a strawman argument. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We know you think Jimmy Carter is close. How many blurb arguments has this page seen since you started saying so? 30? 50? Give it a rest, please. He's a biographically living person. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    All I'm saying is that having a separate death article is not any guaranty of having a death blurb, nor a requirement for a blurb — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If that was all you're saying, I wouldn't be here. Anyway, after checking to see when you started, I see it's not really a "you problem"; others began earlier and have followed since. Sorry for that. Still, a bit morbid a practice, generally. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, Oppose blurb Certainly RD worthy but I don't think he quite made the blurb -worthy level. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb on notability per BilboBeggins and Dr Fell. Renewal6 (talk) 11:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb He is evidently and significantly more famous than Willy Mays and the rest. Citing his appearances in well-known movies from M*A*S*H to the Hunger Games is superfluous busywork. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You will notice that no admin has even posted him to the RD ticker. And the rapid posting and lack of opposition to Willy Mays speaks for itself. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Always with the negative waves..." Andrew🐉(talk) 20:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Accolades section should probably be orange tagged, several missing references to his nominations and awards. Oppose blurb An actor whose had a successful career doesn't rise to the level of ITN mention. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb He was certainly not the most prominent person on his field. Also, I opposed Willie Mays's blurb because I knew that the next non-american death blurb will have people cite his blurb as a reason to push their candidate articles. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb A legendary actor, but not quite to the extent of one that we would blurb. The “but Willie Mays!!!” naysayers are silly. The Kip (contribs) 18:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, support RD, weak support blurb when ready per Daniel Quinlan. Article still has way too many citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please close this? It's already in ITN under RD — Iadmc♫talk  06:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is ongoing about whether or not to have a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see. Got it — Iadmc♫talk  06:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb and photo it's ok just to have an honourable mention as now. Blurb and photo not necessary — Iadmc♫talk  06:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iberian lynx

Posted and will remain so. Stephen 11:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Iberian lynx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The iberian lynx is reclassified from endangered to vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Reuters CBS The Guardian
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This isn't usually what I see in ITNC, but I think it could be interesting. Inserted more links to news sources to demonstrate that the topic is relevant in the news. Article may need to be updated more with news-relevant information. Staraction (talk | contribs) 15:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose while it is a good and positive news, I do not think it a something that is blurbworthy. I would have supported it if it was a news about the cat's extinction (fortunately it isn't). PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support after thinking bout it a bit and reading other users' comments, I have changed my mind. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as per above, but sounds like a good dyk! Sharrdx (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For DYK, the article would have to be expanded fivefold in one week (not possible due to its size) or promoted to GA, so that isn't likely to happen right now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose for this specific case which just doesn't rise to the level of blurbworthiness, but I would be more than happy to see more positive news like this one! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: Support on principle, to support having more positive conservation news on the encyclopedia's main page. Not everything has to be politics and disasters to be blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Chaotic Enby. Even though it is a positive news and make me happy to read it, I am of the opinion that it is not main page worthy. Also because it is not a popular animal or Species. LiamKorda 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very appropriate for encyclopedia to include this on front page. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important and major conservation news. The species was almost extinct not long ago. It's not often that nature topics are on the main page. --Mika1h (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Mika1h. Finally. Bremps... 00:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is just the kind of good news story INT needs and the article is well written and sourced— Iadmc♫talk  06:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, a reclassification "on paper" with no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 06:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This “paper” does not aim to have an impact, but the importance is that this reclassification is the confirmation of a reality, which is what is being debated if it is ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It certainly does, the humans who wrote the report were probably happy, maybe they took their spouses out to dinner. But this is just minor news of no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 09:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Good news, and a decent article for us to feature. I would wonder if a move into "Near-Threatened" would be more appropriate for a feature than a move from "Endangered" to "Vulnerable." I hope to see more stories like this nominated, as it's a great way for us to feature our animal articles in ITN. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has been very big news in Spain and Portugal, where the lynx is basically the de facto symbol of environmental conservation. Lynx numbers aren't just growing, they're also spreading out to different areas than the ones they were reintroduced to. It's raised conversations about other areas of conservation, including rabbits, the main source of food for the lynx, which are currently suffering from a disease outbreak. It even has political relevance, as the destruction of the lynx was started in the Francoist period; debates on the legacy of Francoism are a huge issue in Spanish politics right now. I just can't understand the argument that this has "no lasting impact". --Grnrchst (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added this information re. hunting, and Franco's influence, to the article. Thanks for pointing it out! Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally the "positive news" arguments are unproductive, and, IMO, irrelevant. To this end, I was somewhat of the belief of opposing this as an administrative change (there are several endangered tiers, this is only between two adjacent ones, but Grnrchst's argument on the impact is convincing, so I'm also going to go support, even if the story is somewhat not just about the relisting itself. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted – robertsky (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support something to dilute the constant deaths spam. me likey Kasperquickly (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Article looks good and I personally find any species on the brink of extinction blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A "vulnerable" species is three IUCN levels away from the brink of extinction. That's not a post-posting oppose or anything, as a good-looking animal article (especially with fur) is a sight for sore eyes. Just a reminder. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Kiril Simeonovski and BilboBeggins. This is what encyclopedic news looks like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hear, hear! Yakikaki (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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June 19

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RD: George M. Woodwell

Article: George M. Woodwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

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American ecologist. Founder of the Woodwell Climate Research Center. Death announced 19 June. Thriley (talk) 19:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Whole uncited paragraphs. Needs some work before getting posted. More independent references needed. Bremps... 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose whole article is weirdly written, there are some primary sources and needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Vandalism of Stonehenge

Good faith nomination, however consensus to post will not develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Vandalism of Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The prehistoric Stonehenge is vandalized by Just Stop Oil climate protesters. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post The Guardian
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RD: Arvind

Article: Arvind (computer scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MIT News
Credits:

Article updated
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MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are multiple cn tags and also some sources are primary in nature. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Hajj disaster

Article: 2024 Hajj disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 922 pilgrims died due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Saudi Arabia, at least 900 people die due to extreme heat during the Hajj
News source(s): France24 AP
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Afif Brika1 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability but oppose on quality This is certainly notable enough for ITN, but the article needs to be developed before it will be suitable to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, still needs improvement on quality. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality article needs a lot of expansion but it is blurbworthy event since death toll is extremely high. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to admin if this ever reaches posting stage, the death toll number has changed and the blurb should updated (could just say, "over thousand people die to extreme heat" if you want to be non-specific). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

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(Posted) RD: Gerhard Klingenberg

Article: Gerhard Klingenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Burgtheater + several in German papers
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Article updated
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Great Austrian actor, stage director, film director, manager of Burgtheater, - had 2 sentences of an article which was up for deletion upon his death. Much improved by many actually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment filmography section depends almost entirely on a single source called "Filmportal", is it a reliable source or is it an German equivalent of IMDb ? PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has been treated reliable in other articles. Also: these are films that exist, vs. biographical facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps: also, none of the obits even mentions this part of his career, - we could shorten it if that helps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Daniel Patrick Reilly

Article: Daniel Patrick Reilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Worcester Telegram & Gazette
Credits:

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American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now that the allegations levied against him have been added to the lede. Icky person, but that wouldn't be a policy-based reason for opposing. Bremps... 21:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Chance

Article: James Chance (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME, Variety, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
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American saxophonist. 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307 (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are several cn tags and an orange tag. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Allan Saxe

Article: Allan Saxe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sara Facio

Article: Sara Facio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion
Credits:

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Blurb/RD: Willie Mays

Posted and will remain so. Stephen 22:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Willie Mays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Willie Mays (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

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Sey hey. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fail to see how this is anything other than Americentrism. There is no way a blurb would be posted for an Indian cricketer for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shane Warne's death in 2022 was posted. PeteF16 (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Warne died unexpectedly at the age of 52. He was still a very public figure up until his death. HiLo48 (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And he wasn't Indian or European. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was Anglo-Saxon, not the best example. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good example of anyone, regardless of age, ethnicity or sexual experience, who was blurbed for dying after playing cricket well. Same niche, but polar opposite, like wolves and foxes. What's good for one batsman, and all that. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was not an Anglo-Saxon. He was an Australian. I agree with The C of E below that it's not constructive to make this a race thing - but also, that's an absolutely ludicrous way to regard his ethnicity. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existing bias in ITN in favor of certain countries is an unquestionable truism that has often been the subject of debate. This occasion was not going to be an exception. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tendulkar’s blurbed when he dies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And as a white Englishman, I'd be delighted to support blurbing him when the time comes. But can we please not make this a race thing? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tendulkar's retirement was posted, which is exceedingly rare, and I have no doubt that when he dies, he would deserve an ITN blurb. [1] -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Americentrism can be a thing sometimes, but we actually blurbed the death of a Kenyan athlete only in February, and a German footballer in January. Black Kite (talk) 10:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone else thinks those are the criteria. If you want to make it so that only servign heads of state or people who die in unexpected ways get blurbs, you should propose that in the appropriate place. Saying it here as though it's already accepted won't make it true. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, but surprised that Mays got blurbed so quickly, and Jerry West had lengthy discussion and did not make it. Natg 19 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As good as West was as a basketball player, Mays was better as a baseball player (though West’s accomplishments as a GM & his status as the inspiration for the NBA’s logo were other arguments that could’ve led to him being blurbed if there’d been enough support). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pull because I remember how it felt to have Gordie Howe's posthumous picture "torn away" from "us", but agree with the sentiment; we're too late. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull blurb per Orbital. He may have been a baseball legend, but he is not a globally notorious figure and it is a sport whose popularity is very local. Far from being comparable to Maradona or Pelé. And let's leave emotions aside, this blurb should be pulled by objective criteria. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In terms of how good each player was at playing his sport, he’s easily comparable to Maradona or Pelé. Beckenbauer was blurbed & I’d never heard of him before his death. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is notoriety really the thing you want to focus on here? While baseball is a sport with a deeply parochial region of interest, it's still a very big deal, and Mays was one of the biggest names within it, not just in his own day but throughout its history. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Mays's death is currently the lead story in the New York Times, and has been covered in depth by the BBC, the Guardian, and many other international publications. His significance was derived from baseball but extended well beyond it--the fact that a Black player, so soon after integration, was acknowledged as the best in the game was as hugely important. blameless 05:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support He has a good argument for being the greatest baseball player ever. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-Posting Support. Clearly and obviously one of the most influential figures in baseball history - no doubt in the top 4 with Aaron, Robinson, and Ruth, in no order. The only of that group of three to die during the existence of ITN was Aaron, who was blurbed. I see know reason why Mays should not get a blurb. Baseball is substantially globally popular enough to justify us posting two deaths from its ranks as blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb third in career WAR, and everyone around him is either dead or a steroid user. Clearly the greatest baseball player of his generation. However, I don't understand why we were so quick to blurb Willie Mays yet just as quick to shut down Jerry West's blurb nomination, when basketball is the more popular and well-known sport globally. Jerry West might not have been in the top 3 players ever, but we didn't blurb Bill Russell either and he was. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A key difference is the timing of the nomination. Jerry West's was posted at 14:04 UTC while this one was posted at 01:00. This time zone difference skews the demographic of the voters. And this is very much a voting process in which early momentum is decisive. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes Europe isn't awake. We just don't play baseball here, nobody has heard of this guy. Secretlondon (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm a Brit who barely follows sports over here, much less in the USA, and I'd heard of him despite him being about two generations older than me. His death is front-page news on the BBC. As I said below, I do think this process was rushed, but that's not the same as no-one having heard of one of the all-time most famous, successful, and acclaimed batters in the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless you live in the Netherlands, Italy, France, Spain, England, Czechia, etc. A player just made the majors after having played Euro ball as a prospect. It's absolutely played there. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think you're underestimating just how much more dominant Willie Mays was in baseball than Jerry West was in basketball. According to basketball reference, there has been a total of 5209 players in NBA and ABA history. VORP and box plus-minus weren't calculated during West's time, so the closest comprehensive stat we have is win shares where West ranks 24th all time. On the other hand, there have been 23,235 Major league baseball players. Willie Mays ranks as the third greatest batter of all time according to bWAR and fWAR.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 09:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support blurb and oppose pull - but this was rushed. There's no need to sprint something like this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post blurb support and Oppose pull Yes it was done quick, but the article is in good shape and he is a major figure within the sport so I would have supported the blurb had I seen before posting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not an internationally known figure. I have no idea why this person is given a blurb and a photo. Secretlondon (talk) 10:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment And William Anders? ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Anders article shows very little impact or legacy outside being the photograph of the famous photo. One such accomplishment it not what leads to a great figure, which Mays' article has in spades. — Masem (t) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post blurb support An internationally-known sports figure. Not sure why there's supposed to be a penalty for being an American player. Does that mean we should ban Wikipedia (or the Internet) since both come from there as well? CoatCheck (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb per Orbital. Also, I didn't like the way this was posted to main page with just about 10 vote when it is clear that death blurb are also contentious topics and should only be posted after a lengthy discussion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb, not internationally known, and the posting was extremely rushed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support pull, this should've only been featured in recent deaths. In the grand scheme of things, featuring sports ball athletes seems to be a waste of space. 68.118.253.248 (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose pull/let's all find something better to do. I really do not get why there is such strong opposition to posting blurbs for North American sports people (Howe, Russell, etc.). Can anyone say with a straight face those individuals were not major figures in their field? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are so concerned with avoiding the appearance of Americentrism that they circle around into anti-Americanism as a whole. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The result is basically a much lower notability bar for British public figures than for public figures from America (or other countries). Feels like there's some lingering desire to reclaim their status as #1 global cultural exporter. LocoTacoFever (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post blurb support, oppose pull. I'm generally anti-death blurb, and not a baseball fan, but Mays was one of the most legendary sporting figures of the 20th century - closer to a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Maradona than to a Jerry West. LocoTacoFever (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In all honesty, neither of those are a good metric for a DB either; the manner and direct impact of their deaths were not significant as events, unless they get like, assassinated, or something This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-support blurb – A reminder that WP:ITNATA applies and arguing that a figure is not important outside of their home country (which is not true for Mays, as baseball is played internationally) is to be avoided. SounderBruce 19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It really isn't. Secretlondon (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-support blurb, per above logic and he's one of the last great baseball players from the 1950s-1960s generation of American sports heroes. Surprised and glad to see the quick support for Mays compared to the strange recent lack of support for one of the first three people in the history of humanity to escape Earth's gravity and go to the Moon! Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Blurb/RD: Noam Chomsky

Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated. His wife says he's alive.[2] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Noam Chomsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky (pictured) dies at the age of 95 (Post)
News source(s): New Statesman (retracted)
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Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There seems to be some conflicting reports that he died. There's no official confirmation (at least that I know) that he passed away. Should it be official, I'd 100% support blurb as he was highly influential and his article is good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article at present does not state that he has died. I am seeing that at least one report that he has died has been published, and I know that he had a stroke a few days ago. But we can't blurb this (or even consider an RD) if our own article doesn't actually say that he died. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The New Statesman is a generally reliable source. BD2412 T 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is more about there's no official confirmation of his passing. Some articles have jumped the boat without any reliable word of his passing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that The New Statesman is very unlikely to get this wrong. But if it's the only source reporting the death... I would be cautious, since this one would expect this sort of thing to be covered everywhere. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Along those lines, an ABC News journalist seems to be reporting that Chomsky has not yet died, per Chomsky's wife. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I would support a blurb if he died. An absolute titan of the field of linguistics in a way that even helped to shape the modern field of computer science. And then there's also his political activism and political writings, which were influential in the West. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb if true, extremely influential. Wait for confirmed confirmation before posting Sharrdx (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If he really had died, it would have been in far more and better sources than New Statesman. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Anouk Aimée

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Article: Anouk Aimée (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French actress Anouk Aimée dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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French film actress.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article quality is not main-page worthy as of this comment. There are two uncited statements, one in Personal life, one ending in "critical and box-office disaster." The filmography needs citations as well. After those issues are patched up, we should be good to post. Bremps... 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Netural on Blurb She was/is quite a popular actress who had won a lot of big awards but would understand not posting it as an blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, being popular and winning awards doesn't equate to being transformative in the field. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand

Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Senate passes a marriage equality bill that will legalize same-sex marriage in the country, becoming the first Southeast Asian nation to do so. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the first Southeast Asian nation to allow same-sex marriage.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Thailand's parliament passes a bill to recognize same-sex marriage.
News source(s): CNN
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Tofusaurus (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article quality is okay. I was going to vote "wait", but on second thought the news will probably be stale by then. Bremps... 13:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a very significant news regarding the LGBTQ+ community in Asia. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Based upon recent precedence, I have to repeat what I said last time in opposing. Its nothing new, countries have changed that law all the time. Its not like its some big breakthrough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E I'd argue this is fairly different than the Greece case. Greece was in an area of the world (Europe) where same-sex marriage was already legal in many nearby countries. The only country anywhere near Thailand which has legalized same-sex marriage was Taiwan, which is a special case for many reasons. If you want to look at it from a population standpoint, Thailand has 6 times as many people as Greece, which means it has a larger population than the United Kingdom. I'd argue any country legalizing same-sex marriage with that large of a population is significant. DNVIC (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Legalising same sex marriage s is bigger story in Greece than in Thailand. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Given ITN blurbs getting coverage for multiple days, I don't see this having nearly enough exposure and headline coverage to be considered for inclusion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and updated content in the article. This is the first country in Asia to pass such a law and the second or third to legalize (Taiwan and Nepal both did so through courts and legality in Nepal is incomplete)—a landmark event. And the article is well written and structured.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, article looks sufficient. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's the first in the region and as far as I can tell the first in Asia to happen fully via legislation, without judicial compulsion. It's unique and notable in that way. TheSavageNorwegian 16:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with waiting for royal ascent btw, but waiting till the effective date may make it less of a news item. TheSavageNorwegian 21:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It’s the first Asian country to do so legislatively without judicial prompting, and even though it’s the third Asian country to do so, it’s still relatively new for Asia compared to Europe. And it is the first Southeast Asian country to do so.-TenorTwelve (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until royal assent is given. The bill has not yet been approved, though it is widely expected to gain approval from Thailand's king. Waiting would also allow something like Thailand legalizes same-sex marriage, becoming the first Southeast Asian country to do so to be out blurb; the current wording to shoehorn in the Thai Senate comes across as a bit awkward, but is necessary because same-sex marriage legislation has not yet received executive approval. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nothing that is that surprising occured. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there's a lot more countries that can and probably will legally recognise homosexual marriages and the last example wasn't posted either. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb, wait until royal assent as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt2 since the first two make it sound like it still needs to get through the lower house This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 once royal assent is given. Clearly significant for the whole region. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 11:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance, but I too would suggest only blurbing this when the law actually comes into effect. This of course gives us more time to further improve the article too. It looks fine for the main page, but it can definitely be better. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We aren't going to post every single country that does this.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose do we really need to post every single instance of this? I understand doing it for Taiwan since they where the first Asian country to do so, but this is getting a little pedantic, next up we'll have "the first eastern southeastern Asian country to legalize same sex marriage" Scu ba (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If China somehow legalized same-sex marriage tomorrow, I think it would be bizarre to oppose it because Taiwan beat it to "first Asian country to legalize" status. Bremps... 19:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Though these articles get nominated fairly frequently, we rarely actually feature them. I don't think the "every single instance" argument works here, as no one is arguing we would/will also feature Laos/Vietnam/Cambodia/Myanmar/Bangladesh/Malaysia/Singapore when those make changes in their queer rights laws. This is a first in the region, and an influential country with an enormous population to boot. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Asia is a large continent, and very culturally diverse. You can argue Taiwan has already legalized it, and so this isn't notable, but Southeast Asia is a completely different and unique culture than East Asia, and Taiwan is an even weirder case within East Asia due to its relationship with China. For context, the distance between Taipei and Bangkok is 2500 km, approximately the same distance between London and Istanbul. The fact is, a country has legalized gay marriage without any other country within its cultural neighborhood legalizing it, which is very unprecedented, and thus notable. DNVIC (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Could someone explain to me why it isn't merely notable on its own for a country to legalize gay marriage? It's **the** big-ticket gay rights law. We're not talking something more niche like banning gay panic defense, or allowing hospital visitation. It's the most newsworthy, landmark, queer event that can happen to a country, it's only ever going to happen once per country, and it makes the news each time it happens. TheSavageNorwegian 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus, with exceptions, has been that gay marriage legalization is newsworthy This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

June 17, 2024 (2024-06-17) (Monday)

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RD: Ricardo M. Urbina

Article: Ricardo M. Urbina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

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Will need to be updated. In particular, article does not mention his track career at all. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 NBA Finals

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Article: 2024 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the Boston Celtics defeat the Dallas Mavericks to win the NBA Finals. (Finals MVP Jaylen Brown pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In basketball, the Boston Celtics defeat the Dallas Mavericks to win the NBA Finals with Jaylen Brown winning the Finals MVP (pictured).
News source(s): NBA, CBS
Credits:

Article updated
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I would wait until the article looks somewhat updated. I will update blurb/image when FMVP is announced. Original blurb basically follows last year's wording/format. Altblurb to bring info out of parenthetical. Feel free to adjust. It is that time of the year when a lot of major sporting events are occurring. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I have went through and updated the article a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support although the prose is on the shorter side, article still in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article has some prose but not enough. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's close to 2,000 words of prose. How much is necessary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Everything seems up to par. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I wouldn't be opposed to more fleshing out, but it's in decent shape considering the Finals ended less than 24 hours ago. Typically (looking at last year's article as an example) there's three substantial paragraphs on each game, as well as in each team's season summary, which often starts with where they finished the previous season--Celtics season preview could use that. Final regular-season standings are always inserted in the Finals article--shows where each team finished compared to other playoff teams. "Clinched" is commonplace in nearly every North American sports season article; and while perhaps not as frequent, I've seen it used in Wikipedia and media articles for sports leagues elsewhere. I have a hard time believing anyone outside North America wouldn't understand what it means to clinch a playoff berth or home field. GO CELTICS! User:Pats2017 — Preceding undated comment added 01:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 West Bengal train collision

Article: 2024 West Bengal train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A train collision near Siliguri in India, kills eleven people. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV, India Today
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Magentic Manifestations (talk) 11:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose while article is in a good shape, this event is unlikely to have long term implications and effects. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

June 16, 2024 (2024-06-16) (Sunday)

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  • Seven people are injured and one other person is injured while running away in a shooting at a pop-up party in Methuen, Massachusetts, United States. (AP)

Politics and elections

Sports

RD: Jodie Devos

Article: Jodie Devos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Observer
Credits:

Article updated
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Promising Belgian coloratura soprano who performed internationally based in France, and made award-winning recordings. Died at age 35. - I wish I knew more French and had more time. Roles and awards need more refs (or to be cut). More reviews and more lead would be nice. I'll be out tomorrow which is the last day, so hope for help. 4meter4, you found sources where I didn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Barbara Gladstone

Article: Barbara Gladstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Observer
Credits:

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American art dealer and film producer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait article is alright but that big cn tag in the Film production needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

77th Tony Awards

Article: 77th Tony Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Tony Awards, Stereophonic takes home the most wins including Best Play, while The Outsiders wins Best Musical. (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture? ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality I don't see a ref for the winners, and I would like more prose on the ceremony (there's a bit of prose list for 'other awards' and two lines of response right now). Obviously take this as support once updated, no need to ping. Kingsif (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose like the other award shows, there is almost no prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose virtually no prose. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 US Open (golf)

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Article: 2024 U.S. Open (golf) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Bryson DeChambeau wins the U.S. Open. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There is some prose but I think article needs a bit expansion. There is less prose than the previous editions' pages. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not enough prose and summary. LiamKorda 17:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 24 Hours of Le Mans

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Article: 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In motorsport, the Ferrari AF Corse crew of Antonio Fuoco, Miguel Molina and Nicklas Nielsen win the 24 Hours of Le Mans (winning car Ferrari 499P pictured).
News source(s): Autosport
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Article needs some work. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article is just tables and tables with just few sentences in between. There is no race summary or prose about the Qualifying results results. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. LiamKorda 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Joseph2302, PrinceofPunjab and LiamKorda. Way too much work. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment still has some uncited lines but it isn't impossible for it to meet standards in time. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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