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Astronauts training in the Reduced Gravity Walking Simulator ... that Apollo astronauts walked on walls (pictured) before walking on the Moon? ... that Finn Butcher is the inaugural Olympic champion in men's kayak cross? ... that Barry Burton's lines such as "You were almost a Jill Sandwich!" from the first Resident Evil game were popular enough to be referenced in following games? ... that locally endangered Eurasian otters along the river Meghri have become a nuisance to local fish farmers? ... that the parents of Olympian Minna Stess built a concrete skatepark in their backyard for their children? ... that wealth generated by tourism in Barcelona is claimed to be a reason for increased social inequality, causing activists to protest against overtourism? ... that Olympic sport shooter Ada Korkhin practiced in her family's apartment, shooting from the kitchen through the living and dining rooms? ... that Alien Blue was the most popular Reddit app for iPhone and iPad at the time of its discontinuation? ... that New York Mets executive Jay Horwitz did not publicly reveal that he had a glass eye until he was in his 70s?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on November 1

• ... that Nemattanew, a renegade Powhatan captain dubbed "Jack-of-the-Feather" in 1611 for his extravagant regalia, believed he was invincible to English bullets? self nom, new Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Symantec (headquarters pictured), a computer security company, was originally founded by Gary Hendrix to focus on artificial intelligence-related projects such as natural language processing? Gary King (talk) 17:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kanjli Wetland, which subsumes the Kanjli Lake, created in 1870 by a barrage on the Bien River, has been recognized by the international Ramsar Convention for its rich biodiversity--Nvvchar (talk) 16:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Extraordinary Adventures of Mr. West in the Land of the Bolsheviks, a Soviet propaganda film from 1924, is the first explicitly anti-American film from the USSR? - new article, self nom by LGF1992UK (talk) 15:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that mysterious green flash (pictured) is by-product of a corresponding Mirage of Astronomical Object? new article self-nom by --Mbz1 (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • That's a beautiful image! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Thank you. It sure was one of the best green flashes I've ever seen and I've seen quite a few.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• ... that David Jeaffreson served as Commissioner of ICAC before retiring from the Hong Kong government in 1991?-- new article self-nom by --Clithering (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a riot at Paducah, Kentucky's Woolfolk Home led to Ulysses S. Grant rise above his superior officer, Brigadier General Charles Ferguson Smith? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:09, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that King Mahasen, who ruled Sri Lanka from 275 to 301 AD, started the construction of large irrigation tanks in the country? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 11:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Alt: ... that King Mahasen, who ruled Sri Lanka from 275 to 301 AD, constructed sixteen large tanks including the Minneriya tank, which covers an area of 4670 acres? Chamal ^talk 11:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Zaki Tun Azmi became the Chief Justice of Malaysia after serving just over one year in the superior courts of Malaysia? -- new article self-nom by ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 09:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Article is too short at the moment: 887 characters, needs a minimum of 1500. Bencherlite^Talk 09:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I have expanded the article and modified the hook. ќמшמφטтгמ^torque 16:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that the so-called "lobster mushroom" (pictured) is a delicacy created by one fungus, Hypomyces lactifluorum, parasitising another, usually Russula brevipes? - exp 5x by Sasata (talk · contribs), and Casliber (talk · contribs) helped.

• ... that the Moon of Baroda, a 24.04 carat diamond, was worn by singer and actress Marilyn Monroe and Empress Marie Therese of Austria? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 06:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and references verified. Any more categories into which the article can be put? Bencherlite^Talk 09:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor Xiao Fu incurred Emperor Dezong's displeasure by refusing to exclude fellow chancellors Li Mian and Lu Han on discussions of important matters? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 04:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternative) ... that the Tang Dynasty official Xiao Fu refused to placate the chancellor Wang Jin by offering Wang ancestral property that Wang wanted? --Nlu (talk) 04:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that William David Davies was the first Welsh non-conformist to obtain a Bachelor of Divinity degree from the University of Oxford?
  • (alt) ... that William David Davies refused the offer of a fellowship at the University of Oxford, which required membership of the Church of England, in order to become a Presbyterian minister? -- new article/self-nom. No pressure, but this would be DYK no.25 for me if it makes it... Bencherlite^Talk 02:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres' Jupiter and Thetis (pictured) was painted in 1811 primarlally to meet the artist's financial obligations to the French Academy in Rome; a body famous for the partrical attitude that the work seeks to repudiate. Self nom. Ceoil ^sláinte

• ...that the cruise ship MS Astor (pictured) was ordered in 1985 as an ocean liner for Safmarine's United Kingdom—South Africa service, but the service was abandoned before the ship was completed? — article creation and self-comination by — Kjet (talk · contribs) 14:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 31

• ... that The Outsiders, a novel written by S.E. Hinton, has sold over fourteen million copies since it was published in 1967? Expanded and self nom by iMatthew (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• ... that Matilda, a hen who lived to 16 and became the world's oldest chicken in 2004, never laid any eggs? ~ New article by Neasie1; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 16:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC). Other hooks are possible.

I've commented out the pic because it's not showing as a 100x100 thumbnail, at least not in my browser... Hassocks5489 (tickets please!)

• ... that Paducah, Kentucky's Lloyd Tilghman Memorial honors a Marylander, and was built by an English immigrant from Boston? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 15:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Alfred D'Orsay Tennyson Dickens, the son of novelist Charles Dickens, died in New York in 1912 while on a lecture tour celebrating the centenary of his father's birth? self nom by Jack1956 (talk) 10:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Saul Newman's From Bakunin to Lacan (2001) introduced a conception of postanarchism as anti-essentialist anarchism? Article created by User:Cast and User:Skomorokh, nom by the skomorokh 23:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Alt1...that in his 2001 book From Bakunin to Lacan, Saul Newman identified Max Stirner as an important forerunner of post-anarchist thought? the skomorokh 23:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that rather than await execution, Russian anarchist assassin Moishe Tokar doused himself in paraffin from his prison cell lamp and burned himself alive? Self-nom by the skomorokh 23:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Gants Mill is a historic watermill now generating hydroelectric power from the River Brue? - new article, self nom by — Rod ^talk 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Vienna Fingers cookies first were sold in 1915 and were mentioned in American playwright and screenwriter Neil Simon's 1965 play The Odd Couple? - Expanded 5x from a redirect by Ecoleetage and -- Suntag ☼ 20:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Gazulu Lakshminarasu Chetty established the Crescent, the first Indian-owned newspaper in Madras Presidency in the year 1844?- self-nom by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kukkarahalli lake (pictured) adjoining the University of Mysore, was created in 1864 during Mummadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar’s rule of the Kingdom of Mysore, to provide water for irrigation ?
  • The above hook on article Kukkarahalli lake is by me. Sorry, I forgot to sign the hook earlier. --Nvvchar (talk) 02:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Animatrix was the first film incorporating Japanese anime to be nominated for the Annie Award for Best Animated Home Entertainment Production? (self-nomination) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 07:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sunday Island in Victoria, Australia is a private game reserve surrounded by the Nooramunga Marine and Coastal Park? Maias (talk) 00:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that "Guan ju" is one of the oldest and most well known poems in Chinese literature? Zhao Wendao (talk) 11:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I much prefer "best known" to "most well known" jnestorius^(talk) 13:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Either way, such a hook is rather WP:PEACOCK/POV-ish. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Possible alt: ... that "Guan ju", one of the oldest poems in Chinese literature, was praised by Confucius for its restrained emotions? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the head of the passerine bird, the Noisy Friarbird (pictured), is mostly bare of feathers? ...exp 5x by AusNG1007 (talk · contribs) and casliber (talk · contribs) 12:47, 31 October 2008 (utc)

• ... that many Norwegian political parties opposed the establishment of a State Secretary institution, only to expand the same institution when assuming power? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Black-throated Finch has a black-rumped and a white-rumped subspecies? - exp 5x by casliber (talk · contribs) (thought all the rumps sounded funny)

• ... that fear of ghosts, as well as of other supernatural beings, may be seen as a mechanism of social control? -- self-nom . Laudak (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Since today is Halloween here in the US, may I humbly ask to post it "ahead of the schedule"? Right now it is barely proper size, but I am actively working on it and I am pretty sure other will join. Laudak (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There is some overlap here with phasmophobia, which featured on DYK earlier today. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There is no overlap. Laudak (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Apostlebird of inland Australia is so named after the Twelve Apostles as it was seen to travel in groups of twelve? ...exp 5x by AusNG1007 (talk · contribs) and casliber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30

• ... that during World War II, as director of intelegence for the American atomic bomb project, Robert Furman was behind a failed attempt to kidnap Werner Heisenberg, one of Germanys leading physicists? (self-nom) Icewedge (talk) 06:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
• ... that in 2004 The Hershey Company released three flavors of Snack Barz, a new product, including Chocolate Creme, Peanut Butter, and Marshmallow Creme? -- 5x expanded from this, halloween candy and self nom by Intothewoods29 19:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - In addition to the DYK nom Hershey's Snack Barz, there also is an article named Snack Barz. -- Suntag ☼ 22:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Fixed with redirect. :) Intothewoods29 (talk) 23:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The Hershey Company references do not seem to be independent of the Snack Barz product. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources, which suggests using sources that are not very close to the origin of a particular topic. -- Suntag ☼ 00:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think in this case primary sources might be all right because no original research is involved. "Primary sources are considered reliable for basic statements of fact", in this case the date when the Hershey Company released three flavors of Snack Barz. --Jh12 (talk) 01:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there might be a questionmark over the notability of these products though. Gatoclass (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

There are articles on every other Hershey's product, so why not this one? Why wouldn't a specially-named product produced by one of the world's largest chocolate manufacturers be notable? Can I at least have another opinion?Intothewoods29 (talk) 04:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Snack Barz may be a more appropriate name for the article since "There are three varieties, Hershey's Snack Barz, Reese's Snack Barz, and S'mores Snack Barz. ".[1] The DYK rules say that articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting administrators. Usually, that happens when primary sources are used rather than secondary sources. As for material to expand the article, see Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and some of [2][3][4][5][6]. -- Suntag ☼ 16:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Eduard Spelterini

• ... that Eduard Spelterini (pictured), an early Swiss ballooneer, was acclaimed for his aerial photographs? — Article by Lupo (talk · contribs), nominated by  Sandstein  21:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that no multicellular organisms have ever evolved wheels or similar propulsion methods, although the Pleuroptya ruralis caterpillar can roll and a species of mantis shrimp performs somersaults? ~ New article by Swpb; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC). Fascinating article; ref [1] relates. (As does the Dawkins article, which is a less simplistic treatment of the subject than ref [1]; should I place one or both ref tags at the end of the first paragraph to reinforce the hook fact? Hassocks5489 (tickets please!))

• ... that Microsoft made its largest acquisition ever when it purchased digital marketing company aQuantive for over US$6 billion? Gary King (talk) 18:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Old postcard from Ceranów, Poland

• ... that the Polish Righteous among the Nations, Alfreda and Bolesław Pietraszek, rescued families of 18 Jews during the Holocaust on their farm in Ceranów (village pictured)? -- New article, self-nom by Poeticbent talk 17:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Schloss Vollrads claims to be the eldest winery of Germany? Schloss Vollrads is a vineyard site documented since the middle ages within the Rheingau in the space of the collective site Honigberg.-- new article, self-nom by Symposiarch (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Richard Petty and his crew chief Dale Inman (pictured) presented the first artifact to the NASCAR Hall of Fame, the car that Petty drove to a record 27 victories in 1967? -- 5x expansion beginning on October 30. The source's statement which says that 27 victories is the record is found by clicking "2" on the bottom to access the second page of the article. Royalbroil 16:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the state-owned coal mines of the state of Jharkhand were the first to witness the emergence of a "Mafia Raj" in India?- created by User:Hunnjazal and nominated by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Judith Wachs, who spent 30 years with her Sephardic music group Voice of the Turtle, first turned to music when she filled in for husband, who signed up for recorder lessons but couldn't attend? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in his 1933 essay In Praise of Shadows, Junichirō Tanizaki includes monastery toilets in his reflections on Japanese aesthetics? (self nom expanded stub) Julia Rossi (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Camp Beauregard, an American Civil War camp in western Kentucky, was abandoned in less than six months due to over 1000 cases of typhoid and pneumonia? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 01:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the African and Malagasy Union was a former intergovernmental organization created to promote cooperation among former African colonies, but went defunct in 1985? new article, self nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 00:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Byron recorded seeing the "tigers sup" at the Exeter Exchange menagerie in central London owned by Edward Cross (pictured)? -- One pound (talk) 23:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the connective tissue disorder gerodermia osteodysplastica is also known as "Walt Disney dwarfism" because the first known patients were described as resembling "dwarves from a Walt Disney film"? -- new article by Rcej (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 23:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at Washington State University from 1948 to 1950, Bob Gambold was the quarterback of the school's football team and the starting forward for its basketball team during all three of those years? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 19:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Estelle Reiner′s line—"I'll have what she's having"—after Meg Ryan's filmed fake orgasm was ranked 33rd on the American Film Institute's list of the 100 Greatest Movie Quotes of All Time? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, in order to reduce the solemnity of an oath with Tufan, the Tang Dynasty general Zhang Yi substituted sheep, goats, and dogs as sacrifices instead of horses and cattle? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 16:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1925 Irish Senate election required a change in the law governing the layout of the ballot, to allow all 76 candidates to be listed? -- new article (moved from User: space on Oct 30) self-nom by jnestorius^(talk) 16:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that St. Louis Browns first baseman Chuck Stevens was the player who delivered the first major league hit off pitching legend Satchel Paige? – New article, self-nominated by MusiCitizen (talk) 16:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I presume Satchel Paige should not be bold jnestorius^(talk) 16:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope Satchel Paige can be expanded 5 times soon. Or it won't qualify--74.13.128.225 (talk) 19:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Unbolded. Expansion is unlikely for the already long article. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Sri Lanka Air Force lost 57 aircraft during the conflict with Tamil Tiger rebels?--TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This conflict is still ongoing. Suggest mentioning "so far" or sth to that effect in the hook. Also suggest checking the news for updates before posting the "57" figure on the main page. Pls also expand the intro. It's rather short. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Ōe Taku

• ... that Ōe Taku (pictured), after spending 12 years in prison for treason, was elected to the lower house in the Diet of Japan in 1890? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 14:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Fort Pearce, a former defensive facility in Point Nepean, Victoria, Australia, was active during World War I but never had its guns fire in anger? New article by User:ShipFan; nominated by It Is Me Here (talk) 11:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

"in anger"? Is Pearce a person with emotions?.... --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

This page explains the idiom. Art LaPella (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

How interesting! Thank you for the link, Mr. LaPella. I learn sth new today. --74.12.126.164 (talk) 04:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Akkamma Cherian, an Indian freedom fighter, was popularly known as the Jhansi Rani of Travancore? -- new article self-nom by -- Tinu Cherian - 10:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Japanese author Jun'ichirō Tanizaki attributed his phobia of earthquakes to the collapse of his family house in the 1894 Meiji Tokyo earthquake? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 06:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

An inspiration for any of this author's books? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that baseball player Floyd Rayford was the man that Cal Ripken, Jr. replaced in the starting lineup to begin his streak of 2,632 consecutive games played? -- new article, self-nominated by Transaspie (talk) 05:17, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bowie Seamount on the British Columbia Coast of Canada is one of the most biologically rich submarine volcanoes on Earth and was an active volcanic island throughout the last glacial period? Black Tusk (talk) 03:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that five of the video games nominated for the Annie Award for Best Animated Video Game are adaptations of animated films? (self-nomination) — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Ref checks out, article is 1800 chars. readable text after major expansion by nominator. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 02:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Larry McCall was released by the Baltimore Orioles and was signed with the New York Yankees as a free agent both on the same day? Self-nom. – RyanCross (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and fact referencing verified. Jamie^☆S93 15:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Chengziya Archaeological Site in China is thought to be the largest prehistorical settlement found to date? -- new article self-nom by rm (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Where? Some geographical context, pls. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

context added, phrased claim more carefully --rm (talk) 17:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... the original running time of the 1965 film The Greatest Story Ever Told was four hours and 20 minutes? (5x expansion of article, from 1342 to roughly 7300 characters, self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 15:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. Not that interesting... but it'll do since I see there were multiple different times for the film. – RyanCross (talk) 03:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation...but it is actually is that interesting, I believe, since it is highly uncommon for a Hollywood film to go into release at that excessive length. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

"... the original running time of the 1965 film The Greatest Story Ever Told was the unusaly long length of four hours and 20 minutes?" perhaps? On a side note though, I am not sure this really qualifies as for DYK as expanded articles should have been expanded from a stub or other very short article and the page was over 5,000 bytes when you started working on it. Icewedge (talk) 06:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the film To Get to Heaven, First You Have to Die, released in 2006, is the only recorded Central Asian film about impotence? LGF1992UK (talk) 00:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that out of the ten players that attended Morehead State University who eventually played in Major League Baseball, Ron Klimkowski was the only one who attended the college for only one year? Self-nom. – RyanCross (talk) 03:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and fact referencing verified. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Cavallo's multiplier was an 18th-century electrostatic influence machine used to amplify electric charge? New article, self-nom — BillC ^talk 05:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that soprano Meagan Miller, accustomed to wearing $10,000 gowns on stage in her opera performances, chose to wear her mother's simple gown for her summer 2008 wedding? -- new article, self nom by Alansohn (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • (moved here from October 29) Length, date and hook ref verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 11:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 29

• ... that Jean Robic, who won the 1947 Tour de France, was nicknamed The hobgoblin of the Brittany moor? Article rewritten and expanded fivefold by User talk:Les woodland. Nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 16:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

or ... that Jean Robic, winner of the 1947 Tour de France, was so light that at mountain summits he was handed lead and mercury ballasted drinking bottles for faster, gravity assisted, descents? Article rewritten and expanded fivefold by User talk:Les woodland. Nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 16:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the snail Elimia virginica (pictured) newly colonized the Oswego River but was out-competed from there by another non-indigenous snail? -- new article self-nom by Snek01 (talk) 15:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Spectacle Reef Light

• ... that Spectacle Reef Light (pictured), a lighthouse on Lake Huron, Michigan, has been described as "one of the greatest engineering feats on the Great Lakes?" (navigating ref 12: click "Go to Lighthouses", then find "Spectacle Reef Light" at top left of Lake Huron) -- new article by User:7&6=thirteen; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 09:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Father Nelson Baker, founder of the Basilica of Our Lady of Victory in Lackawanna, New York, is buried in a grotto hewn from Vesuvian black lava in the basilica's transept? ~ New article by Dweeebis; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC). I'm rewriting slightly to avoid WP:COPYVIO concerns. This article could really use a picture ... anybody nearby who could do the necessary?
  • Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the small mountain-top Aztec temple of El Tepozteco, dedicated to the god of pulque, an alcoholic beverage, attracted pilgrims from as far away as Guatemala? -- new article, self nom by Simon Burchell (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. Perhaps its location (Mexico) should be added to the hook. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, new hook:

• ... that the small mountain-top Aztec temple of El Tepozteco in Mexico, dedicated to the god of pulque, an alcoholic beverage, attracted pilgrims from as far away as Guatemala? Simon Burchell (talk) 10:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • That's fine, thank you. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Buffalo pebble snail (pictured) is adapted to survive both on rocks in a fast stream and also on sandy bottoms in stagnant water?

alternative:

• ... that the Buffalo pebble snail has a large, muscular foot that suctions on rocks and allows it to survive in a fast stream? -- new article self-nom by Snek01 (talk) 09:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that with the Kabuki-za scheduled to be demolished and rebuilt over the course of 2010–2013, the nearby Shinbashi Enbujō will become the chief venue for kabuki in Tokyo for several years? -- self nom. by LordAmeth (talk · contribs) 06:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • (alternatively)... that the Shinbashi Enbujō in Ginza, today a major kabuki theatre, was originally built to serve as a venue for geisha dances? LordAmeth (talk) 16:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Viswanathan Kakkan, who stood for 2006 Assembly elections as a Janata Party candidate from Perambur, is a brother of Dalit leader and former Minister of the Indian National Congress, P. Kakkan? - self-nom by-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 03:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This fact will work better as a DYK hook if Viswanathan Kakkan is a famous guy with a wikibio (Go turn the redlink blue!), or if the two political parties are high-profile rivals. So many politicians have siblings in the same business, you know. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Market Square in Lviv, Ukraine, together with the historic city center of Lviv, was in 1998 recognized as a UNESCO world heritage site? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 01:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• (alt:)... that the Market Square in Lviv, Ukraine, together with the historic city center of Lviv, was recognized as a UNESCO world heritage site in 1998? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 03:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Like the second one. Was there a key feature that scooped heritage? Julia Rossi (talk) 07:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that S&H Green Stamps, co-founded by Thomas Sperry, produced more of its trading stamps than the United States Postal Service printed in some years in the 1960s? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 01:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the French navigation authority, Voies navigables de France, manages 3,800 km (2,400 mi) of canals and 2,900 km (1,800 mi) rivers, 1595 locks, 494 dams, 74 aquaducts, 65 reservoirs and 35 tunnels? new article and self nom. Nancy ^talk 22:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Foreign language ref checks out, article is long enough. Hook is 214 characters but we could just remove one or two of the specific items listed. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I've taken out the "convert" template so that it says km instead of kilometres - that takes it under 200 chars I think, your alt is nice too though Nancy ^talk 22:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Looks good! either hook is fine with me. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • (alternate hook, shorter:) ... that the French navigation authority, Voies navigables de France, manages 3,800-kilometre (2,400 mi) of canals and 2,900-kilometre (1,800 mi) rivers on the largest network of waterways in Europe? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that two members of the French band Zebda ran for political office in Toulouse during the 2001 municipal elections, and won 12.38% of the vote? expand fivefold (comparison) and self-nom, —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Oh, and also, I know generally the oldest DYKs go up first, but if you guys at DYK are planning on anything special for Nov 4, you are welcome to use this one since it's election-related! —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • (alt:) ... that in the 2001 municipal elections in Toulouse, 12.38% of the vote went to a political party created by the French band Zebda? —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 22:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Mint Productions created the 2005 and 2008 documentary series Haughey and Bertie, which examined the lives of former taoisigh Charles Haughey and Bertie Ahern? --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 21:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Nominator comment: Three brand new articles which, if I've calculated correctly (and maybe I haven't), ought to feature (if passed) on the Main Page on the same day that the last commences broadcasting. --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 21:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Bertie Ahern

After is better, or this will appear to be free advertising. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... the documentary series Bertie and Haughey on the lives of former taoisigh Bertie Ahern (pictured) and Charles Haughey were made by Mint Productions? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• I like it. --➨Candlewicke  ^{:) Sign/Talk} 22:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the pilot edition of the BBC Radio 7 comedy A Series of Psychotic Episodes was nominated for a Sony Radio Academy Award? Self-nom by ISD (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Albrecht Dürer's Great Piece of Turf (pictured) shows cocksfoot, creeping bent, smooth meadow-grass, daisy, dandelion, germander speedwell, greater plantain, hound's-tongue and yarrow? -- self-nom -- Lampman (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the film Lonesome Jim was filmed in just 17 days on a budget of only $500,000 due to the film's funding being drastically cut shortly before production began? expanded five-fold and nominated by SWik78 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Need to establish in the hook that this is a notable film, or this sounds like another low-budget film failure. Also need to clarify the currency.

• ALT:... that the movie Lonesome Jim, nominated for the Grand Jury Prize at the 2005 Sundance Film Festival, was filmed within 17 days on a mere budget of US$500,000? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
• ALT:... that the award nominated film Lonesome Jim had a last minute budget cut from $3 million down to $500,000 and had to be shot in only 17 days?

Good point about the notable vs low-budget failure criteria. What do you mean by needing to "clarify the currency"? SWik78 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the horsepower of a friction hoist motor can be up to 30% less than that of a drum hoist motor for the same application? new article self-nom by Kelapstick (talk) 05:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

What is a drum hoist motor? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

In the hoist (mining) article it describes the difference between a friction hoist and drum hoist, the introduction explains that they are both powered by electric motor

is this Alt clearer?... that the required horsepower of an electric motor used to operate a friction hoist can be up to 30% less than the electric motor to required to operate a drum hoist for the same application? --Kelapstick (talk) 21:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that failed Australian politician and prominent barrister, Edward St John QC became an early anti-nuclear activist in the last ten years of his life? (self-nom vastly expanded stub) Julia Rossi (talk) 05:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  

• alt:... that Australian 60s politician, prominent barrister and activist Edward St John QC was distantly related to Oliver Cromwell? (self-nom) Julia Rossi (talk) 05:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggest mentioning in the hook who Cromwell was, at least for the uninitiated. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't. The uninitiated might not recognize the Britishisms "barrister" and "QC" either, and at least Cromwell is linked. "Lord Protector" wouldn't help the uninitiated at all, and "17th-century British ruler" is a lot of words for the Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 21:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

How about–

• ...that Australian 60s politician, leading lawyer and activist Edward St John QC was distantly related to anti-royalist British ruler Oliver Cromwell of the 1600s? Julia Rossi (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that biologist J. B. S. Haldane replied "Precambrian rabbits" when asked what would destroy his confidence in the theory of evolution? (expanded, self-nom) -- Philcha (talk) 08:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Could the second genuine be left out? Julia Rossi (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I deliberately used "genuine" twice, because the first 2 questions paleontologists would ask are "Are they really fossil rabbits?" and "Are they really Precambrian rocks?" -- Philcha (talk) 14:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't DYK hooks be questions? Where should the question mark be? --74.13.128.225 (talk) 14:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that - fixed now. -- Philcha (talk) 14:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

251 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)Shortened. Art LaPella (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... the Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired Massaro House has an 18-foot-high living area illuminated by 26 triangular skylights? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 20:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. – RyanCross (talk) 04:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Lazarus Syndrome in medicine is named after Lazarus of Bethany, who the Bible says was raised from the dead by Jesus? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by alanyst ^/talk/ 13:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• alt: ... that the Lazarus Syndrome in medicine is named after Lazarus of Bethany, whom Jesus raised from the dead according to the Bible?
• alt: ... that the Lazarus Syndrome is the spontaneous return of circulation in a patient after failed efforts at resuscitation?

• ... that redistributive change is a theory of economic justice that promotes the recognition of poverty as a suspect classification under U.S. law? -- Kendrick7^talk 20:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that shortly after architect Ralph Anderson's early "modernist glass-box phase" he began rehabilitating turn-of-the-century buildings (example pictured) in Seattle's Skid Road / Pioneer Square district? - (new, self-nom) Jmabel | Talk 23:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Spirit of Mickey featured clips from The Wonderful World of Disney and The Mickey Mouse Club in its intro? -- Article created by Jscorp 22:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC) (self-nom) Jscorp (talk) 01:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Is "intro" a formal word to be used on Wikipedia's front page? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 28

• ... that actress Dina Cocea, almost entirely unknown outside of Romania, was so well know there that she received the Order of the Star of Romania, the country's highest civil award? Self-nom.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that technology company Dell (headquarters pictured) made its largest acquisition ever when it purchased EqualLogic, a storage device manufacturer, for US$1.4 billion? Gary King (talk) 15:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and fact referencing verified. Jamie^☆S93 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Expedia, Inc. made its largest acquisition ever when it purchased Travelscape for over US$89 million? Gary King (talk) 20:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length and hook reference verified. The article was actually created on Oct 28th (per UTC time), however. Jamie^☆S93 14:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that magazine publishing company Condé Nast Publications (headquarters pictured) made its largest acquisition ever when it purchased Fairchild Publications for US$650 million? Gary King (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length and fact referencing verified. The article was actualyl created on Oct 28, so I'm moving the noms to that section. Jamie^☆S93 14:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that computer software company Red Hat (headquarters pictured) made its largest acquisition ever when it acquired free software support company Cygnus Solutions for US$674 million? Gary King (talk) 16:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Length, date and referencing look fine. Specified and linked the $ nationality. Jamie^☆S93 14:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that BBC presenter Jonathan Ross (pictured) was suspended for "gross lapse of taste" as a result of a Russell Brand Show prank telephone calls row? New article - it is current but likely to be fairly stable from here on in. (initially written by me by moving a poor BLP stub, and greatly expanded by User:Uncle G and others)--Scott MacDonald (talk) 10:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Does this hook focus unduly on negative aspects of a living individual (see instructions above)? --Bruce1ee^talk 13:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • "unduly" I don't know. Omit for "gross lapse of taste" if it helps - but the suspension of a celebrity is central to the article, and given this has been highly publicised, and don't think appearing in DYK for a few hours can be remotely prejudicial. I avoided a hook naming any of the more "private" individuals. Ross is a household name in UK.--Scott MacDonald (talk) 13:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Wouldn't this be a more apt candidate for WP:ITN/C? It Is Me Here (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that David Wagner was the number-one ranked quadriplegic wheelchair tennis player in both singles and doubles in 2007? — new article, self nom — jwillbur 01:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference verified. Olaf Davis | Talk 17:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Blue Moon Rising was the first bestseller for British author Simon R. Green? -- new article, self nom -- Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign!)} 14:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jayen Varma holds the world record in bass guitar as the Fastest Percussive Bassist playing 36 percussive notes per second? -created by User:Fansfans123 and nominated by -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 05:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that E. Roger Muir, creator and producer of The Howdy Doody Show, had the title puppet run for president of the boys and girls in the 1948 election year? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 01:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that David W. Mullins Jr. unexpectedly resigned in 1994 as vice-chairman of the United States Federal Reserve to join a "dream team" of financial engineers at the hedge fund Long Term Capital Management? -- new article, self nom by Protonk (talk) 05:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

So he switched job. Is there a more interesting fact for DYK purposes? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

...About Mullins? Probably not. The move from the fed to LTCM was a big deal because he was part of a "Dream Team" coming from Harvard, MIT and Washington to run this new hedge fund. Being on the board of governors of the federal reserve is one of the hardest jobs to get as an economist in the world. It isn't often that people with jobs like that bail early to go to a private company that no one had heard of before 1994 (and didn't exist before 1993). Protonk (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• Update Revised the hook. not sure if this is over the char limit. "Dream team" is a direct quote from the BW source cited in the article. Protonk (talk) 17:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Milton Hebald′s 1960 sculpture depicted the 12 signs of the zodiac on the Pan Am Worldport at John F. Kennedy International Airport and were considered the world's largest such work at the time? -- new article, self-nom Alansohn (talk) 04:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Guatemalan Black Howler (pictured) and Mantled Howler monkeys are sympatric over parts of Mexico and Guatemala? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 02:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT... that the Guatemalan Black Howler (pictured) spends more than half its day resting? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Alt hook may be more accessable. I'm indifferent as to which is used. Rlendog (talk) 17:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bob McDonald, a Canadian Football League player who survived polio, was elected to the 25th Canadian Parliament at age 25? - s/n new Dl2000 (talk) 02:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that M-68 was a discontinuous state trunkline highway in Northern Michigan between 1940 and 1946? — self-nom , 7.6x expansion by Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that two white supremacists allegedly plotted to assassinate Senator Barack Obama, the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominee, as part of a plan to murder more than 100 African Americans in Tennessee? -- new article, self-nom by Hunter Kahn (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The hook (and the article) should be couched in terms of allegations; there has been no determination of guilt. Kablammo (talk) 12:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

You're right, of course. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

- good article but the hook is too long (Max 200 characters). Suggest removing "the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominee" - information which is established by clicking on Obama's article. --Flewis^(talk) 11:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kirk DeMicco, writer-director of the 2008 animated film Space Chimps, conceived of the movie after hearing a line from Chuck Yeager in the film The Right Stuff? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the northernmost extreme point of Sweden is Treriksröset (pictured), where the borders of Sweden, Norway and Finland meet? Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by TheLeftorium 16:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I suggest where instead of at which. Kablammo (talk) 01:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. --TheLeftorium 09:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Date, expansion, and sourced hook all fine. Kablammo (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Butler English is an occupational dialect of Indian English that was originally spoken by butlers? Me, again. Uncle G (talk) 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • While the Butler English section was newly created on Oct 27, the target article, regional differences and dialects in Indian English, has not been expanded 5x. Also note, the article is going through review at AfD. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:07, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • You need to look more carefully at the edit history, instead of just looking at the byte counts and ignoring the edit summaries and the actual state of the article. Start with this edit. I predict, based upon long experience, that the AFD discussion will result in the article being kept, by the way — probably in petty short order, too, once someone notices. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 17:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
      • I think Rosiestep is aware of that edit, but she is also aware of "Unwritten" Rule A3. Art LaPella (talk) 22:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
        • As mentioned above in the Art LaP link, the state of the earlier version, however good or bad, is not taken into account in the DYK review process; edit summaries are also not considered. This doesn't mean that DYK volunteers don't look at them, nor does it mean that your points are without merit. If you'd like to suggest changes to the review process, WT:DYK would be the place to start. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that three roads in Guide Board Corners, New York were damaged and closed by Hurricane Agnes?Mitch32^(UP) 13:11, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the music of Minneapolis hip hop duo Ill Chemistry (pictured) was used in a Minnesota Ballet production? New article by BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 03:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Should that pic be a {{Non-free web screenshot}} and therefore not allowed here in DYK? --76.64.76.218 (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It is a screenshot, but from a video I filmed/uploaded under the account name theduhdoodstm. It's not a great image, though, so I don't really expect it to go up on DYK. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 17:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that conviction politics have been criticized as being a "hard ideology"? new article, self nom Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 00:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Pretty stubby, even though I believe it meets the minimum length. - Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • It's too short at 1380 characters. Can you expand it to get it above 1500? --Bruce1ee^talk 10:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
      • I might try to work on it, but there's not much left to say - I've tried google, google books, google scholar, etc. There's barely a clear consensus on the definition of the term, especially because its such a touchy subject. In other words I guess, don't expect a DYK. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 20:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• I've expanded some but having trouble with the format of references as given in the article. Please help. Julia Rossi (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nike Flywire uses Vectran fibers to reduce the weight of shoes used in athletics, basketball, badminton, and tennis? New article self nom by Mawfive (talk) 04:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the guns (pictured) at Fort Nepean in Victoria, Australia fired the first Allied shots of both World War I and World War II? ShipFan (talk) 11:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • . All good. Interesting hook BTW, weird that a gun in Australia (of all places involved in the WWs) fired the first shots :) Chamal ^talk 00:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nazi Germany considered liberating Soviet prisoners from the GULAG system to create a resistance in Siberia? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • poorly sourced, some other reliable sources should be used for such an outrageous operation. HerkusMonte (talk) 12:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
    • English language books by Parrish have been added in addition to previous, Russian-language newspaper articles.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't think this belongs on the front page without some German-viewpoint sourcing. Parrish's work is based on NKVD records, just like the Melenberg piece. Not yet NPOV. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Nazi Germany used thousands of Polish laborers to build infrastructure for their invasion of the Soviet Union? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Edgewater (pictured), an over-water hotel on Seattle's Central Waterfront, used to advertise that you could "fish from your room"? - (expansion, self-nom) Jmabel | Talk 06:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Two suggestions:

• ... that Troy's Proctor's Theater (pictured) was the largest in New York when it opened in 1914?
• ... that the double balcony of Proctor's Theater (pictured) in Troy, New York, made it ideal for showing motion pictures when that medium became popular in the 1920s? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 04:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

- Relies heavily on a single reference (which appears to be a dead-link). The other reference make no mention of the subject whatsoever. Citations 3 + 4 should be in a separate 'notes' section. --Flewis^(talk) 10:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 27

• ...that Bernard Sainz, an unlicensed sports doctor, was known as 'Dr Mabuse' because of his dramatic success in horse racing and cycling. Article created by User talk:Les woodland, nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

or ...that Bernard Sainz, who was known as 'Dr Mabuse' because of his dramatic success in horse racing and cycling, was jailed for 3 years for administering doping products. Article created by User talk:Les woodland, nominated by Autodidactyl (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hanwei Group is the biggest producer of eggs in China?

ALT

... that Chinese egg producer Hanwei Group has admitted to giving its chickens feed tainted with the chemical melamine? -- new article, self-nom Malick78 (talk) 18:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Can't we combine the two? ALT: :... that the largest egg producer in China, the Hanwei Group, has admitted to giving its chickens feed tainted with the chemical melamine? Still only 140 odd. Johnbod (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure, good idea:) Malick78 (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Article is tagged as a stub, making it ineligible. Maybe someone can improve it so the stub tag can be removed? Truthanado (talk) 16:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first Chinese migrant to Madagascar arrived in 1862, starting a community that would become Africa's third-largest Chinese population? -- new article by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 01:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I removed "by 1896" from the end of the hook --- the source for that statement was actually referring to the present day when it said "third largest", not 1896, I just misread it. Sorry about that. (Today, the top two would be Chinese South Africans at 100k and Sino-Mauritians also around 40k; back in 1896, but not today, the Chinese populations in Reunion, Seychelles, Mauritius, and South Africa were all larger than that in Madagascar, I think). cab (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, CaliforniaAliBaba, for fixing both the article and the DYK hook so quickly. --PFHLai (talk) 13:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that "Milk and Alcohol" ranked on Britain's top-10 hit singles chart in 1979 and was the biggest hit for the still-active band, Dr. Feelgood? -- new article by Derek R Bullamore, Arjayay and -- Suntag ☼ 19:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at the time he was appointed Governor of Arizona Territory, C. Meyer Zulick was a prisoner in Mexico? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --Allen3 ^talk 13:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Saint John River is one of only six major rivers in all of Liberia? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 09:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Everything checks out. Good to go. Truthanado (talk) 16:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that basketball player Jojo Duncil was prevented from playing for the UST Growling Tigers in his final year of eligibility when a birth certificate surfaced stating that he was overage?

  I'd want to add the fact that he was not overage but it'll make the hook too long. –Howard the Duck 05:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• Actually, the hook is 185 characters, so changing it to "... surfaced, falsely stating ..." would make it 194. Art LaPella (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• I'd prefer "incorrectly" instead of "falsely" since "falsely" will imply that it was intentional. –Howard the Duck 02:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Not necessarily, but I also prefer "incorrectly" because it's less ambiguous, so that makes 198 characters. Art LaPella (talk) 05:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• Ok, I think this should be good enough. –Howard the Duck 08:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hall of Fame Major League Baseball pitcher Phil Niekro had no wins and six losses in eight Opening Day starts for the Atlanta Braves? -- new article self-nom by Rlendog (talk) 02:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Japanese novel Kanikōsen is one of the best-selling books of 2008, despite being published in 1929? Totnesmartin (talk) 23:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that although Arthur Bourchier played the title character in a silent film of Henry VIII in 1911, he made only two other films during the next 16 years in his acting career? -- expanded article together with User:Tim riley. Self nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Wales rugby international and Welsh Rugby Union Secretary Bill Clement was awarded the Military Cross for his actions in World War II? --new article, self-nom by FruitMonkey (talk) 11:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2006 novel The Elegance of the Hedgehog by Muriel Barbery was a "publishing phenomenon" in Europe? --new article, self-nom by Efe (talk) 08:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 13:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Duskyshoulder trevally

• ... that the small inshore marine fish Carangoides humerosus (pictured) is commonly known as "duskyshoulder trevally" or "epaulet trevally" because of its dark shoulder colouring? -- new article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 00:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the elongated tails possessed by the males of some species of paradise-flycatchers (pictured) are thought to be the products of sexual selection? (self nom old stub by anon IP; expanded by me) Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Thomas Gold Appleton, the brother-in-law of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow known as "the Boston wit", is reported to have said as he was dying, "It will be a new experience"? (self-nom for expansion) --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that while enrollment at U.S. tribal colleges and universities increased significantly since 1982, California's only tribal college, D-Q University, had just six students in 2006? (new; self nom) --Rosiestep (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Export Control Act of 1940 ceased the exportation of military equipment to pre-WWII Japan which pushed the United States and Japan closer to war? (self-nom new article creator) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 21:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and online refs good, offline refs accepted in good faith. Interesting article. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Welsh village name 'Ynysddu' means 'black island', but the village is nether black nor an island? (self nom) ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk 19:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

alt hook :

• ... that the poet William Thomas (Islwyn), who was born in Ynysddu, Wales, once wrote a poem over 9,000 lines long?

Don't like the alt hook, since the main clause is about Islywn rather than the new article. Also, it should link to William Thomas (Islwyn) rather than Islwyn. jnestorius^(talk) 13:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've changed the link. The hook is mentioned in the article but I think the alt is probably unnecessary anyway ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk

How about '*... that Ynysddu was the birthplace of the poet Islwyn, who once wrote a poem over 9,000 lines long? ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk 18:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

File:Portrait Of Madame Riviere.jpg

• ... that the adolescent subject of Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres's Mademoiselle Caroline Rivière (pictured) died within a year of her portrayal by the French master? self nom by Ceoil ^sláinte 19:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

all ok except hook fact may need rewording - see talk. print ref. Title changed to Louvre version. Pic also changed at article to Commons one, but not here. Johnbod (talk) 03:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Clarified facts in the article and on talk. Hook reworded. Ceoil ^sláinte 20:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

"year" may have to be taken loosely, as we don't have months, but I'm ok with that. Johnbod (talk) 22:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when Adobe Systems (headquarters pictured) acquired the company Scene7 in May 2007, its CEO, Doug Mack, became vice president of the Creative Solutions Services division at Adobe? Gary King (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that On the Green Carpet was the first North Korean film to be invited to the Berlin International Film Festival, where it was screened in 2004? (self nom) PC78 (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks good! All checked out. BobAmnertiopsis∴_ChatMe! 15:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that German geologist Heinrich Edmund Naumann discovered a new species of fossil elephant in Japan? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 15:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• "special" is misplaced. Did you mean "special new elephant fossil", "new fossil of a special elephant", or "new species of fossil elephant"? Art LaPella (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The word "special" was a typo. It should read "species". Have corrected accordingly. Thanks! --MChew (talk) 02:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Tsomoriri (pictured), with an altitude of 4,595 metres (15,075 ft) in Ladakh, is the largest of the High Altitude Lakes in the Trans-Himalayan biogeographic region, entirely within India? --Nvvchar? (talk) 13:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that IMS Associates, Inc. became one of the earliest successful personal computing companies, only to go bankrupt in 1979 after just six years of trading existence? -- Expansion by fish&karate 13:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Trading what? Computers? Or shares in the stockmarket? Pls clarify in the hook. --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Just "of trading" - it doesn't need a follow-on. You could change it to "of existence", if you wanted, although that implies the company were alive, or to "in operation". If you want it rewritten, how about:

• ... that IMS Associates, Inc. was founded in 1973 and swiftly became one of the first successful personal computing companies, only to go bankrupt in 1979? fish&karate 15:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that African American lawyer and Civil War hero John R Smith was one of the few soldiers on patrol at Fort Sumter at the outbreak of the Civil War? (Self Nom) --Thormeister (talk) 09:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that HMS Braak was seized and brought into the Royal Navy when the former Dutch ship anchored in Falmouth, unaware that the Dutch had gone to war with Britain? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 08:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Might be a nice one to "save" for November 5th, just in case someone called Barack should be in the news that day? :-) 82.3.242.144 (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• Two possibilities:
  • ... that Tiger's Whip (1991), a piece of installation art by Singaporean artist Tang Da Wu, highlights how the tiger is being hunted for its penis, which some Chinese believe has aphrodisiac qualities?
  • ... that the artist Tang Da Wu founded The Artists Village, the first art colony in Singapore, in 1988? — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 06:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC) (created and nominated article).
    • The first hook is too long at 211 characters. It shouldn't be more than 200. If you were to leave off the "which some Chinese believe..." part it will be fine. Everything else appears to be ok. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
      • OK, fixed the first hook. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 12:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
        • That's better. Length, date and refs for both hooks verified. I prefer the first hook. --Bruce1ee^talk 12:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Victorian Wader Study Group catches and releases, on average, more than 7000 birds a year? Maias (talk) 04:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• Date & length verified; offline hook AGFd. —97198 (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Unilever once owned 50% of the Norwegian industrial company Denofa, but pulled out in 1959? -- self-nom Punkmorten (talk) 15:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Tab Hunter Show, a 1960–1961 NBC sitcom, featured the former teen idol as a 29-year-old bachelor cartoonist living in Malibu Beach?--new article, self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

- the article is well written, however all of the inline citations provided do not contain the information listed within the article. The two external online references provided (tv.com + imdb.com) are driven by user-generated content - (see WP:EL for more info) which makes then unreliable as a primary point of information. The single offline ref 1960-1961 American network television schedule is a little vague, and it tells the reader nothing of how to access the information. I suggest finding some extra external Reliable sources to alleviate any WP:OR concerns and to get this article onto the main page. --Flewis^(talk) 10:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on October 26

• ... that for a short time in the late 1940s, it was planned that USS Hawaii (CB-3) would be the first U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser? (self-nom) —Ed 17 for President _{Vote for Ed} 17:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ALT ... that the 1952 budget included money to convert the still-incomplete USS Hawaii (CB-3) into a "large command ship", similar to USS Northampton (CLC-1)? (self-nom) —Ed 17 for President _{Vote for Ed} 17:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Workers Committee for National Liberation, a communist labour group, was broken up by the Egyptian government in January 1946 after a textile workers strike in Shubra El-Kheima? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1920s Czechoslovak communist trade union Mezinárodní všeodborový svaz broke its bond with the Communist Party, as the Communist International had abandoned the united front policy? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that many authors such as Henry Miller and Allen Ginsberg frequented the Gotham Book Mart of Manhattan with its iconic Wise Men Fish Here sign in the Diamond District during its 87 year history? self nomination. Silvery (talk) 12:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that operatic soprano Gail Robinson won the Metropolitan Opera auditions at the young age of 19? five fold expansion (note a byte count only gives four but a character count will give more than five). self nomination.Nrswanson (talk) 16:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Date, length and reference verified. Olaf Davis | Talk 13:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Taravath Ammalu Ammal, sister of Dr T. M. Nair, one of the founders of the Justice Party, was a Malayalam scholar who wrote a book in Malayalam on the lives of the 63 Nayanmars? -self-nom by Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this a hook for T. M. Nair? Save for later when the redlink Taravath Ammalu Ammal turns blue? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Henri Pépin extended the notion of riding the Tour de France to stopping in good restaurants and sometimes finishing 12 hours behind the leaders? Les woodland (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Moved here from October 27. Length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 13:49, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Lovely article. Died of "athleticism". What a way to go! Yomangani^talk 10:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Actionable Offenses is a CD compilation of profane and sexually explicit phonograph recordings from the 1890s, which Anthony Comstock’s Society for the Suppression of Vice managed to get banned? ~ New article by Chubbles; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 08:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC).
  • Length and date good, CD liner notes accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 13:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Tropical Depression Fifteen was the weakest tropical cyclone of the 2007 Atlantic hurricane season? Created by User:Cyclonebiskit. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in Canadian university football's 2008 season there were 27 new top-ten achievements in the all-time career record books including five new all-time career records? -- new article self-nom by DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that SC-21 was a program that aimed to design land attack ships for the United States Navy, but was canceled in November 2001? Article expanded fivefold by 82.3.242.144; Nom by Ed 17 for President _{Vote for Ed} 00:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Feel free to offer up alt. hooks, 'cos I don't know anything about SC-21! =/ —Ed 17 for President _{Vote for Ed} 00:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that the US Navy's SC-21 program to rethink warship design led to the "tumblehome" hull of the Zumwalt class destroyer? 82.3.242.144 (talk) 12:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that the US Navy's SC-21 program of the 1990s included concepts for an Arsenal Ship with over 500 missile tubes and an Armed Supertanker? 82.3.242.144 (talk) 12:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that the US Navy's SC-21 program of the 1990s planned a vertical gun for the 21st Century Land Attack Destroyer?82.3.242.144 (talk) 12:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Conversation Piece, a musical by Noel Coward, starred a French actress, Yvonne Printemps, who spoke no English? -- expanded by Tim Riley and me. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that Conversation Piece, an English musical by Noel Coward, starred a French actress, Yvonne Printemps, who spoke no English? -- alt hook to clarify the language & provenance of the musical. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 14:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Mass Psychology of Fascism, a book written by Wilhelm Reich in 1933, blamed sexual repression for the rise of fascism? new article, self-nom - Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 00:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length and date good, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1ee^talk 14:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Offline refs from another article actually - Wilhelm Reich, I believe. I can't vouch for their reliability. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 21:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Gorgeous Guy, a man featured in a photo posted on an internet message board, posted the photo while pretending to be someone else, and many of the comments about him that followed? New article, self nom. PS this hook is awful, need ideas - anyone? – How do you turn this on (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the recent persecution of albinos in Tanzania and Burundi is based on the belief that their body parts have magical power and impart prosperity? - new article, self-nom, Ekem (talk) 21:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Wales rugby international Harry Payne finished his playing career after breaking his ankle in a match, at the age of 84? -new article, self-nom by FruitMonkey (talk) 18:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after 40 years at CBS, Lou Dorfsman considered the 35 foot by 8½ foot Gastrotypographicalassemblage he created for the CBS Building's cafeteria to be "his magnum opus, his gift to the world"? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I have added a link to Gastrotypographicalassemblage as a second article for DYK consideration. Alansohn (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Date & length of second article verified, assuming ref is good in the first.

• ... that Polish composer Rafał Augustyn′s "Symphony of Hymns" took 20 years to complete, typically lasts for 100 minutes and requires an orchestra of over 170 players? Ceoil ^sláinte 16:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Tropical Storm Beatriz of the 2005 Pacific hurricane season was the first tropical storm to form in June since Tropical Storm Carlos two years prior? -self nominated Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't this amount to saying there were no tropical storms in June 2004? Is this interesting? jnestorius^(talk) 13:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that 1-1-7, the emergency telephone number for the Philippines, is the only emergency telephone number in the world that is accessible through both voice telephony and text messaging? (New article, self nom) --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 15:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Which of the refs verifies this hook? --Rosiestep (talk) 16:55, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I used another reference, but apparently I lost it. Perhaps I can rewrite it as follows so it's not too misleading. How about:

• ... that 1-1-7, the emergency telephone number for the Philippines, is accessible through both voice telephony and text messaging?

Then again, I have no idea whether or not I can text 911 or 112. But I think the rewrite is more factual given the current references. --Sky Harbor ^(talk) 22:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Colonel Robert A. Smith Monument, which honors Smith and the 10th Mississippi Infantry, is believed to be the second-biggest stone in the United States? (created by --Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 13:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

all fine - check wording. Six stones for 5 regiments? Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I wondered about that too, but it's what the source said. C'est la vive.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 20:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I added 10th Mississippi Infantry, which 8th Ohio Volunteers (talk · contribs) created; I'd get nom for the 10th, and create credit for the Monument.--Gen. Bedford ^{his Forest} 20:54, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first military aerodrome in Britain (pictured) was at Larkhill, and the first squadron to use aeroplanes was formed there? Article expansion from stub, self nomination. Psychostevouk (talk) 10:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  • - Length, date, hook's ref verified - Offline ref's accepted in good faith --Flewis^(talk) 03:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Divyamani is a rāgam (musical scale) in South Indian classical music? new article by VasuVR; Nom by Elucidate ^{(parlez à moi)} Ici pour humor 12:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a short article that barely makes it over the 1500 character minimum. Much of the text is not covered by inline citations. Perhaps work on expanding the article slightly and adding extra sources. Also work on explaining the concepts for the prospective reader who will be unfamiliar with the subject and avoid digression from the subject as much as possible --Flewis^(talk) 03:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The Sigiriya rock and surrounding gardens

The Sigiriya rock and surrounding gardens

• ... that the citadel and city at Sigiriya (pictured) were constructed by King Kashyapa I? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 10:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

A little more context would help. Where is Sigiriya? When did this happen?... --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the citadel and city at Sigiriya (pictured) in Matale, Sri Lanka were constructed by King Kashyapa I in the 5th century? --Will that do? Please feel free to make any changes as appropriate. Chamal ^talk 03:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Italian tennis player Federico Luzzi was prohibited from wearing a shirt with a Playboy bunny logo while competing at the 2007 U.S. Open tournament? new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. I've italicized Playboy for you. – RyanCross (talk) 09:37, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the liberal film company Brave New Films has produced full-length videos and paper advertisements in addition to the viral videos for which it is known? Created and self-nom by User:Politizer. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 04:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Moved here from the Oct. 25 section. This was created on the 26th, not the 25th. – RyanCross (talk) 04:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... and verified. Thanks! – RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Baseball Hall of Famer Mel Ott made his last appearance as a player when he pinch hit for Ken Trinkle?

• ALT:... that Mel Ott, Baseball Hall of Famer, made his last appearance as a player when he pinch hit for Ken Trinkle? Self-nom. – RyanCross (talk) 09:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• No problems here. Chamal ^talk 10:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that Hall of Famer Mel Ott made his final appearance as a Major League Baseball player pinch hitting for Ken Trinkle? --74.13.129.207 (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• I like how it is worded with 74.13.129.207's suggestion. That works too. – RyanCross (talk) 05:04, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that actress/singer Francine Everett took a clerical job at Harlem Hospital in New York City after she retired from the entertainment industry? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 23:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• Verified. Fixed some WP:MOS errors in the article for you. – RyanCross (talk) 04:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Roger Mobley, a child actor of the 1950s and 1960s associated with Walt Disney Productions, is now a Christian pastor in Newton, Texas?--new article, self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that former child actor Roger Mobley served as a Green Beret in the Vietnam War and is now a Christian pastor in Texas?--new article, self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk)
    • Most interesting of the three IMO 82.3.242.144 (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
  • ... that Disney child actor Roger Mobley starred in the 1960s as the Richard Harding Davis character, "Gallegher", a newspaper reporter who fought crime and corruption?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Mossy leaf-tail gecko (pictured) of Madagascar possesses dermal flaps, which makes its outline practically invisible?--Self nom from new article--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 03:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The article's sentence reads: ..."making its outline practically invisible." The ref is unavailable online so, help, which is it (invisible vs. practically invisible)? --Rosiestep (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Practically, sorry had the FAC thing in my head that all adverbs are inherrently evil. :) --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:17, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Offline hook reference accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:02, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 2000, Shaike Levi and the Gashash HaHiver trio were awarded the Israel Prize for their lifetime achievement and contribution to Israeli entertainment and society? -- Article expanded fivefold (from 787 bytes to 18,161 bytes) and self-nom by Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Auditor General of Norway from 1898 to 1923, Svend Borchmann Hersleb Vogt, was also a judge and a member of the Norwegian Parliament? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 10:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. The hook's foreign-language and offline references are accepted in good faith. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there are 30 million smokers in Japan, making the country one of the largest tobacco markets in the world? -- new article by Kintetsubuffalo (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 04:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook)... that until Japan Tobacco, the world's third biggest tobacco company, became a public company in 1985, the tobacco industry in Japan was a government-run monopoly? -- new article by Kintetsubuffalo (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 04:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Tang Chinese government official Lu Qi was so ugly and treacherous that General Guo Ziyi would not let the women in his household meet him when he visited the Guos' mansion? -- new article by Nlu (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 00:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Special Administrative Unit of Civil Aeronautics is the Colombian government agency in charge of managing the airspace, civil aviation, and the aviation industry in Colombia? --new article by mijotoba (talk) 05:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Downtown Troy, NY, in fall

• ... that five previously-designated historic districts were merged in 1986 to create the Central Troy Historic District covering downtown Troy, New York (pictured)? Self-nom. Still working on this; will probably get a lot longer even after being on Main Page Daniel Case (talk) 04:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 25

• ... that in 1929 Western Australia celebrated its Centenary of foundation which included dances, race meetings, an air race and other sporting events? -- new article by User:SatuSuro. nom'd by Moondyne 02:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the oceanic dolphin Costero is officially the same species as the river dolphin Tucuxi, even though they have been unambiguously demonstrated to be genetically different? -- new article by Killidude (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 02:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in order to get her first, and only, film role actress Phyllis Welch MacDonald had to sign a contract pledging not to marry or become engaged for six months? -- new article, self nom Scanlan (talk) 01:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that on taking up office, Steve Croft will be the first Bishop of Sheffield, Yorkshire, to have been born in Yorkshire? -- new article self-nom by ChapterandVerse (talk) 22:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Two concerns: first, the article's a little short; the prose comes to only 1350 characters which is short of the minimum of 1500. Perhaps the list of his previous appointments could be prosified? And secondly, I'm not sure the given reference supports the statement that he's the first Yorkshireman to take the post: it gives no indication that Gordon Fallows, for example, wasn't born in the county. It's a nice hook to use if we can deal with those two things, though! Olaf Davis | Talk 13:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

We have expanded article and added a further source (first source says the 3rd bishop was the closest the diocese had had to a Yorkshire-born bishop and that the 5th and 6th bishops were originally from Tyneside and Lancashire. Further source shows that 4th bishop [Gordon Fallows]was from [Barrow-in-Furness]. ChapterandVerse (talk) 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Grigory Orlov is credited with subduing the Russian plague of 1770-1772? self nom, new NVO (talk) 21:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  • (moved here from October 26) This hook is misleading because Orlov subdued the rioting caused by the plague, not the plague itself. --Bruce1ee^talk 14:41, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that an initiative of the Danish trade union leader Jens Jensen (pictured) led to the foundation of the International Secretariat of National Trade Union Centres in 1901? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 20:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Naganandini is the 30th Melakarta rāgam in the 72 melakarta rāgam system of Carnatic music? new article by VasuVR; nom by Elucidate ^{(parlez à moi)} Ici pour humor 12:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that pitcher Jackson Todd threw 13 shutouts during the 1973 college baseball season, a University of Oklahoma record which still stands? (self-nom, feel free to tweak hook. haven't done one of these in a while. Wizardman 21:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC))

Miss Shangay Lily, drag queen from Spain

• ... that famous drag queens are found from at least 1844 on, in 17 different countries including Brazil, Lebanon, and Ukraine? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• No qualifying article. Lists aren't included in the 1500 character limit according to #Instructions. Art LaPella (talk) 03:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the kukersite oil shale in Estonia was named after Kukruse settlement? Beagel (talk) 07:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This hook works better if Kukruse has an article in English Wikipedia. Pls consider creating it and make this a double-DYK hook. You have ~4 days. --74.13.126.203 (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Fushun Shale Oil Plant in China is the largest oil shale plant in the world? Beagel (talk) 06:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during World War I, the German Army produced shale oil from Yarmouk oil shale deposit in Jordan to operate the Hijazi Railway? Beagel (talk) 06:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This hook works better if Hijazi Railway has an article in English Wikipedia. Pls consider creating it and make this a double-DYK hook. You have ~4 days. --74.13.126.203 (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

The article is there. Fixed issue of different spelling (always happens with name from this region) and made double-hook.Beagel (talk) 05:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, as the Hijazi Railway article is an old one, it can't be double-hook.Beagel (talk) 05:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hijazi Railway

How about a pic of the railway (right)? --74.13.128.225 (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2007 Bengali film Kaal based on the lives of four women trapped in the world of human trafficking, is in trouble with the Bengali regional censor board for its scenes being too graphic?-created by User:Jayantanth and nom by Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 03:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 1960 strikes against Dahomey President Hubert Maga's handling of the national economy became so serious that the police used tear gas? Expanded by ~one of many editorofthewikis ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 02:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during Mexico City's colonial period so many grand mansions were built that the city gained the nickname of the "City of Palaces"?Thelmadatter (talk) 02:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lake Pichola (pictured), an artificial fresh water lake created in the year 1362 AD, is named after the nearby Picholi village in Udaipur city? --Nvvchar (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the medieval Chichester Cathedral is the only English Cathedral that can be seen from the sea? Self nom. (See pic right) Amandajm (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that St Mary's Cathedral, Tuam, completed in 1878, contains a 12th century arch which has been called "the finest example of Hiberno-Romanesque architecture"? Self nom. Strawless (talk) 00:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Eligibility, length, and source for hook fact verified. However, I think it would be helpful to add an indication of where Tuam is, so I suggest the following alternate hook (omitting the date because I couldn't figure out where to put it:

that St Mary's Cathedral, Tuam in County Galway, Ireland, contains a 12th century arch which has been called "the finest example of Hiberno-Romanesque architecture"?

--Orlady (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the pro-communist Freie Lëtzebuerger Arbechterverband was the largest blue-collar trade union centre in Luxembourg in 1946? (self-nom) --Soman (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after failed attempts in 1964, 1968 and 1972, the Calgary Olympic Development Association successfully brought the 1988 Winter Olympics to Calgary, Canada? Resolute 00:03, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that after failed attempts for 1964, 1968 and 1972, the Calgary Olympic Development Association successfully brought the Winter Olympics to Calgary, Canada in 1988? (Each unsuccessful bid failed years before the intended Olympic years.) --74.13.126.203 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• True enough. That wording is better. Resolute 21:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Ediacaran organism Eoandromeda may represent the earliest animal fossil – unless it turns out to be an alga? -- New article on recently described genus. Self nom. Martin (Smith609 – Talk) 22:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Major League Baseball player Nolan Ryan had three wins and no losses as the California Angels' Opening Day starting pitcher? -- new article by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk) and Rlendog (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the acceptance of a Cannes Gold Lion by the art director for Nike's Pretty television ad marked the first time the award was given to a Lebanese person? GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that Nike's Pretty television ad features Russian tennis player Maria Sharapova being serenaded to the tune of West Side Story's "I Feel Pretty"? GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 21:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

As an aside, does this break Unwritten Rule C2? :) GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 23:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it does...and it's not really notable or interesting. I would definitely go with the first hook. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 23:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Wingspread Conference on the Precautionary Principle established the internationally accepted definition of the precautionary principle? New article, self nom. Bsimmons666 (talk) ^Friend? 21:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 11:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that during the mid-20th century, cemesto panels were used in both prefabricated housing and houses designed by prominent architects? -- new article (self-nom) --Orlady (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dutch ophthalmologist Petrus Johannes Waardenburg first defined Waardenburg syndrome in 1951? new article by AdjustShift (talk) 20:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that that New York noise-rock band Flux Information Sciences′s 2001 album "Private/Public" was recorded before an invited audience of 50 friends who were asked to stand around the studio naked and blindfolded as the band played? Ceoil ^sláinte 16:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that New York noise-rock band Flux Information Sciences′s approach to rhythm was inspired by the mechanised sound of a metal stamping factory, described by vocalist Tristan Bechet as "truly...phenomenal, just...amazing and groovy"? Ceoil ^sláinte 17:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Where to put "(pictured)"? --74.13.128.225 (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I took out the picture. Ceoil ^sláinte 21:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Japanese admiral Misu Sotarō (pictured) lost his left eye while commanding the Nisshin at Battle of Tsushima in the Russo-Japanese War? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that King Dhatusena who ruled Sri Lanka from 455 to 473, constructed eighteen irrigation tanks, an irrigation canal and the Avukana Buddha Statue? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^talk 14:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that angry St Ives, New South Wales residents threatened to boycott upcoming film Accidents Happen by playing the bagpipes during filming? (self-nom) —97198 (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that every Accidents Happen cast member except Geena Davis feigns an American accent for the film, set in Connecticut? —97198 (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• ALT: ... that Accidents Happen won an Inside Film Award for Best Unproduced Screenplay in 2004, but did not go into production until mid-2008? —97198 (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there are 91 locks on the Canal du Midi? New article created and self-nommed by Nancy ^talk 13:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Canal du midi

• ALT:... that there are 91 locks on the Canal du Midi (pictured) in the south of France? --74.13.128.225 (talk) 09:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Much better, thank you. Nancy ^talk 11:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Louis-Maurice Boutet de Monvel won a medal as a fine artist in Paris before becoming a children's book (pictured) illustrator? Durova^Charge! 09:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Where to put "(pictured)"?--74.13.128.225 (talk) 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

How's that? Durova^Charge! 08:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

The Transit of Venus March

• ... that John Philip Sousa's "Transit of Venus March" (audio) was rediscovered by a staffer at the Library of Congress in 2003 after it had been believed lost for over 100 years? <new article, self nom - 1655 characters (including spaces) when I counted, but it's increased since then> DendodgeTalk^Contribs 09:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

  Update: Character count now 1854, not including references, notes, infobox, captions, 'see also' section, categories, or wiki markup. DendodgeTalk^Contribs 18:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite pioneer Japanese journalist Kuga Katsunan′s (pictured) advocacy of Japanese nationalism, government censors shut his newspaper down thirty times between 1889 and 1896? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 07:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite being acclaimed by critics, the pilot episode of the television series Veronica Mars was one of the least watched episodes of the week? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Here is the old revision, and here is the new one. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 06:15, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Which week? --74.13.126.203 (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Going My Way, a 1962–1963 ABC drama about a Roman Catholic priest based on the Best Picture of 1944, was Gene Kelly's only attempt at series television?--new article, self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 17:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Fact/s cited to unreliable source, IMDb. —97198 (talk) 03:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Awards and achievements Preceded by Casablanca Academy Award for Best Picture 1944 Going My Way Succeedeb by The Lost Weekend

The 1944 Best Picture hardly needs special citation. Going My Way the film has no source but IMDB either. In fact, nearly all of the Wikipedia entertainment articles are from IMDb and little else.Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

No source? No place on the main page!

"Kelly's only attempt at series television"? Do North and South (TV miniseries) and Sins (miniseries) count as Kelly's attempts at series television? Or was that some other guy with the same name? --76.64.76.218 (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Costa Allegra

• ... that the cruise ship Costa Allegra (pictured) was originally built as the container ship Annie Johnson? — 5x expansion and self-nomination by — Kjet (talk · contribs) 23:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Two possibilities here:

"Rip Van Winkle", by Waldo Peirce, in the Troy, NY, post office lobby

• ... that the Troy, New York post office is one of only three in the U.S. with a Waldo Peirce mural (Rip Van Winkle, pictured) in the lobby?

Troy post office

• ... that the Troy, New York post office (pictured) has been in ten different places since it was first established in 1796? Self-nom Daniel Case (talk) 19:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Bumpnose trevally

• ... that the scientific name of the inshore marine fish bumpnose trevally (pictured), C. hedlandensis , refers to Port Hedland, Western Australia, where the holotype was collected in 1933? -- new article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 05:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• (alt.hook):... that the inshore marine fish bumpnose trevally (pictured) and longfin trevally are similarly shaped and thus often misidentified, reportedly even in some museum collections? -- new article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 05:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in Hopi mythology, the Kachina Nataska enforces good behavior among children? -- new article by Wikidemon (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 14:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the gate piers of Ferne Park, a country house built in 2001 in Wiltshire, England, are Grade II listed structures? -- new article by Stronach (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 14:30, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian politician Ian West was once compared with seagulls at a popular Sydney beach at Manly? Assize (talk) 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian politician Lynda Voltz's step-father and grand step-father were also politicians? Assize (talk) 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Length, date OK. Offline refs accepted in good faith. Chamal ^talk 13:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian politician Helen Westwood is the brother of crooner Frank Bennett? Assize (talk) 20:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's remove one "Australian". Unless naturalized, siblings ought to have the same nationalities, right? --74.13.128.225 (talk) 19:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

extra one removed Assize (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Helen Westwood is the sister of Frank Bennett I believe, and not the brother? Chamal ^talk 13:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian politician Christine Robertsononce addressed a Dorothy Dix question to the Minister in Parliament? Assize (talk) 20:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 24

blue trevally

• ... that the blue trevally (pictured), a popular gamefish in South Africa, was first described in 1775 based on a specimen taken from the Red Sea? -- new article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom. by PFHLai (talk) 00:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

- Length, date and hook verified. External ref's accepted in good faith --Flewis^(talk) 11:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Inkognitogata 18, the official Residence of the Prime Minister of Norway, has been finished in 2008 and is the first official residence of a Norwegian prime minister in over 30 years?.-- article expanded from one line, self nom by --Inge (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Change to "was finished" for better grammar Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Better make "is" the main verb of the hook. The "first" bit is more interesting than the "when" bit. --74.13.126.203 (talk) 17:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It's unclear from the article whether there was an official residence later than 1908. And these assertions need citations. Daniel Case (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Daryl Veltman was the first overall selection in the 2008 Entry Draft by the Boston Blazers of the National Lacrosse League? -- new article by User; Nom by Mitico (talk) 14:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Actually created and nominated by Mitico. Nyttend (talk) 01:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

This individual has not yet played in a major league game (although scheduled to do so). As such the person fails the notability requirements at WP:ATHLETE which specifically states that the person must have actually played in a major league game, not have been drafted by a major league team. (As in some cases, players who were drafted never end of playing. We can't predict the future of individuals) I am considering nominating this for an AFD, although the liklihood that this person will eventually meet the notability guidelines is pretty high. The article is just a bit premature. I would appriciate some other reviewers feedback before I do anything else.Nrswanson (talk) 11:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

See also

• User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).