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July 20

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July 20, 2023 (2023-07-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Odesa attacks At least three people are killed and eight civilians are injured in a Russian strike on Odesa, Ukraine. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) The consulate general of China in Odesa suffers minor damage during the Russian strike. (Reuters) Mykolaiv attacks Russian forces strike Mykolaiv, Ukraine, injuring at least 19 civilians. (Reuters) (The Kyiv Independent) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that it is still awaiting access to the rooftops of Ukraine's Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar, despite being permitted to view the fuel cooling pools amid allegations of the plant's usage as an atomic bargaining chip. (AFP via The Manila Times) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Two policemen are killed and two more injured during a shooting by Pakistani Taliban gunmen at a checkpoint in Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Geo TV) Two Pakistani Taliban members blow themselves up at a police station and government station in Bara, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing four police officers and wounding eleven more. (ABC News) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge The Turkish central bank raises its main interest rate from 15% to 17.5% in order to control rising inflation, after the key rate nearly doubled last month. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2023 Raigad landslide Sixteen people are killed and 100 others are believed to be missing during a landslide in Raigad, Maharashtra, India. (The Hindu) Fifty-six people, mostly children, are hospitalized after they suffocated due to inhalation of chlorine gas that leaked from a swimming pool in Alexandria, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Around 270 people are airlifted from a Glacier 3000 aerial tramway on the Tsanfleuron Glacier in the Diablerets massif in Switzerland following an electrical failure. (AFP via The Manila Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Tokelau Tokelau's government announces the first community outbreak of COVID-19 on Fakaofo, the last of country's three atolls to report cases of the virus, as the number of COVID-19 cases exceeds fifty patients. (RNZ) 2023 European heat waves At least 110 people are injured during extreme hailstorms in Veneto, Italy. (The Guardian) A state of emergency is declared on the island of Rhodes, Greece, with evacuation orders issued for several mountain areas. (The Guardian) International relations Iraq–Sweden relations Protests against Quran desecration in Sweden Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr set fire to the Swedish embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, in response to a planned Quran desecration demonstration in Stockholm, Sweden. The Swedish foreign ministry confirms the safety of its embassy staff while the Iraqi foreign ministry condemns the incident, initiating an investigation to identify those responsible. (AFP via Today) Iraqi prime minister Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani directs the foreign ministry to expel the Swedish ambassador to Iraq. (DW) North Korea–United States relations North Korea and weapons of mass destruction North Korean defence minister Kang Sun-nam warns that the deployment of the USS Kentucky ballistic missile submarine to South Korea on July 18 could provoke his country to use its nuclear weapons under its law. (AFP via CNA) Bolivia–Iran relations Bolivia and Iran sign a memorandum of understanding in Tehran, Iran, with both countries vowing to strengthen defence and security cooperation. (Xinhua) Russia–European Union relations The European Union imposes sanctions on the director of the Russian prison incarcerating opposition leader Alexei Navalny. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime 2023 Auckland shooting Three people are killed, including the shooter, and six others are injured in a mass shooting at a construction site in the central business district of Auckland, New Zealand. (Reuters) Politics and elections Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia Prosecutors recommend an additional 20-year prison sentence for Alexei Navalny, who is currently serving a nine-year sentence for embezzlement and contempt of court, on extremism charges. (AFP via The Guardian) Sports 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup The ninth edition of the FIFA Women's World Cup opens in New Zealand, with the co-hosts defeating Norway 1–0 in the opening match at Eden Park in Auckland. A minute's silence was observed prior to the match for the victims of the shooting that occurred several hours earlier. (AP)

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Ongoing: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup

Article: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 2nyte (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiwifury (talk · give credit), Kingsif (talk · give credit) and S.A. Julio (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: per WP:ITNSPORTS Happily888 (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Point of Order ITNSPORTS says ongoing nominations like these typically fail and to wait for a winner. An exception was made for the 2019 Women's World Cup, but that's it. So far, anyway. This is not an Oppose vote. Just saying it's not guaranteed (even if the article is written well and updated continually). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Auckland shooting

Article: 2023 Auckland shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In New Zealand, three people are dead from a shooting in Auckland's CBD just hours before the city hosts the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup opening game. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two people are killed and seven injured in a mass shooting in Auckland, New Zealand.
News source(s): BBC News; CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A shooting with three fatalities (including the shooter) is certainly not a notable event. Make it happen right in the city centre of a place where the FIFA Women's World Cup is to kick off a few hours later, and you have the whole world showing an interest. Schwede66 01:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt Ec'd on the nom, but added alt that doesn't mention World Cup. Support as creator and per nom comment. Apparently the World Cup was not the perp's motivation (hence alt), but he certainly picked a time and place to make an international scene (hence support). Also, there's been 6 (if I can count) mass shootings in New Zealand, take that information however you want. Kingsif (talk) 01:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  There are three people dead, though, including the perpetrator, who I suggest should be included in the count. Schwede66 01:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's been thankfully quite a while since we've posted an attack incident, I can't remember if we usually include perps in the body count. Kingsif (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - there's no reason to suspect that this will have sustained notability. I wouldn't support posting this if it happened in the US, so I see no reason to support this because it happened elsewhere. It just sounds like a crazy person with a gun, unless the world cup was related to this person's choice to do it. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  I wouldn't support if it happened in the US either, but it did not happen in the US, and in terms of shootings, location is newsworthy context. I do not think this would be in the (real) news at all if it happened in the US. There's a chance it wouldn't really scratch the surface if it was in Paris or London, either. Likewise, while the World Cup was apparently not a motive, I do not think this would be getting as extensive live coverage in the news if it did not happen where and when it did specifically. The newsworthiness is very affected by context in this case. Kingsif (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Already ruled not related to terrorism or the like, and thus sounds like a normal domestic crime with no connection to the Women's Cup. --Masem (t) 02:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not terrorism, not WWC related, not significant. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Alt (but prefer three dead and six injured) Not natural causes, not an act of God, good to mix things up. The coverage is certainly there. The article's fairly brief, as are the "flooding and landslides" ones; no glaring problems. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose A young man lost control and killed two people with a shotgun, and ended up dead himself. This does not meet most definitions of a mass shooting. No connection has yet been established with the athletic event taking place nearby. This is a run-of-the-mill murder. The article has serious undue weight issues. Cullen328 (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  This isn't in the US, where these things are common. Secretlondon (talk) 07:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  A young man also shot six people with a shotgun who lived to tell about it. Victim impact statements can go a long way in a coroner's inquest. And an inquest can have some pretty drastic effects on gun laws. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Don't see how this is notable. If the death count was higher I'd most likely look at this an other way, but 2 deaths is pretty insignificant (although tragic nonetheless) for ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 08:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the article seems to be very WP:COATRACKy, conflating other events that were close in space and time, but otherwise unrelated, to the subject. The article has only about 10 sentences about the shooting itself, including information about the killer themselves and about the response. There's not a lot here to hang a blurb on, really. It's a horrific, tragic event, but unless the article can be expanded significantly, about the event itself and its significance, I'm not sure it merits the main page. If more information comes out that allows us to expand the article significantly, I would be willing to change my vote.--Jayron32 10:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt Context is important, whilst this event wouldn't be notable in the US, it definitely is if country has very low mass shooting rates were to have one. Happily888 (talk) 11:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

July 19

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July 19, 2023 (2023-07-19) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa At least 12 people are injured in a night-time Russian missile attack on Odesa, Ukraine. (AP via ABC News) Crimea attacks A fire occurs at the military training grounds in Crimea, forcing the evacuation of more than 2,000 people and the closure of a nearby highway. (Reuters) List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces a $1.3 billion military aid package to Ukraine. The package includes four NASAMS air defense systems, anti-tank missiles, Phoenix Ghost and Switchblade attack drones, and landmine clearing equipment, among others. (The New York Times) Kivu conflict Nine people are killed and 16 others are injured during the explosion of a bomb in a field in Rutshuru Territory, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Terrorism in India Police in Bangalore, India, arrest five men suspected of planning a terrorist attack in the city. (The Times of India) Business and economy A Powerball lottery player from California, United States, becomes the third to win a billion-dollar prize, with a ticket purchased in Los Angeles earning the $1 billion jackpot. (AFP via The Daily Star) Disasters and accidents At least 34 people are killed and 12 others are injured when a bus collides with a car in Tamanrasset Province, Algeria. (Reuters via Al Arabiya) Sixteen people are killed and eleven others are injured when an electricity transformer explodes on the banks of the Alaknanda River in Chamoli district, Uttarakhand, India. (Hindustan Times) One person is killed and 48 others are injured during an underground gas explosion in Johannesburg, South Africa. (AP) Five people are killed and several others are injured across Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, after a storm passes through the countries. (Reuters) (AP via The San Diego Union-Tribune) International relations 15th BRICS summit South Africa confirms that Russian president Vladimir Putin, who faces an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court, will participate remotely in the upcoming BRICS summit in Johannesburg rather than attend in person. (AFP via The Manila Times) The United States sanctions multiple Central American officials accused of corruption, including former Presidents of El Salvador Mauricio Funes and Salvador Sánchez Cerén. (AP via ABC News) Law and crime A court in Iran sentences actress Afsaneh Bayegan to a suspended two years in prison for failing to comply with the hijab law. (AFP via The Times of Israel) Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi pardons Coptic researcher Patrick Zaki and the lawyer of political activist Alaa Abd El-Fattah. Both men had been convicted of allegedly disseminating fake news. (AFP via France 24) At least two protesters are shot by police, 14 more are hospitalized, and at least 300 are arrested during protests in Kenya. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Thai general election A Thai court suspends Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat's status as a lawmaker after accusing him of violating election laws for allegedly holding shares in a media company. (CNN) In Singapore, Workers' Party member of parliament Leon Perera and member Nicole Seah resign following the social media dissemination of a video revealing their extramarital affair, which party secretary-general Pritam Singh confirmed. (AFP via NDTV)

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RD: James Reston Jr.

Article: James Reston Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/us/james-reston-jr-dead.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Author. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks generally good, except for the one CN tag at the end. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Formation of opposition grand alliance in India

Article: Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (I.N.D.I.A.). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.
News source(s): The Indian Express, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This nomination will probably get opposes, but I think it's still pretty significant (tbh I'm from Bangladesh). Significant opposition parties like TMC and AAP, who are (now were) political opponents of INC-led UPA have also joined the I.N.D.I.A. alliance, just with the aim to take on the ruling BJP-led NDA. — Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is definitely a major political step in the largest democracy in the world and perhaps the largest coalition ever made. To illustrate how big is this, the aggregate number of votes that the parties making up this coalition won at the 2019 Indian general election is greater than the total turnout at the 2019 European Parliament election or the 2020 United States presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

You're literally just saying that India is a populous country. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes. An event like this greatly affects nearly 1 billion voters. I'm not one to complain about American or Western bias on ITN, but I do feel like if this kind of event happened in the USA (if the USA was a multi-party democracy that is), it would probably be posted.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The Democrats joining the Republicans? You bet that would be worldwide news. A single-party system would alter the political trajectory of this country forever. Of course, the nomination would likely still be contentious, because of the usual apprehension towards U.S. political intrigue. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I read too fast and realized you were referring to a multi-democracy system, or perhaps more likely, splinter parties in the United States merging into one. Still, it would be a big deal. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yep. Another equivalent scenario would be a populist, right-wing party becoming dominant by a wide margin in US politics, leading to the Republicans, Democrats, and other small parties to enter a coalition to oppose them. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll support a similar story if China becomes a democratic country one day.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The BJP led National Democratic Alliance is still bigger then the new INDIA alliance. So it is not the largest ever made party-wise. Rushtheeditor (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed that the NDA is now bigger but not sure if it used to be at the time of its formation in 1998. That's why I used "perhaps".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually NDA's number of members doesn't actually matters very much here (IMO).

In INDIA, there maybe less parties, but there are more than one party which has major significance in Indian politics. TMC, AAP, JD(U), NCP, SP... these have significance in Indian politics, if not national then regional.

Also, it's the first time all major oppositions of the BJP has came under one coalition.

Now, BJP has been much powerful to rule India solely, and it's still the most major. And many analysts say that BJP is hard to defeat because 'opposition isn't united'. Now that's no more relevant. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait I think in general, these kinds of internal political machinations are best left for when such alliances and coalitions actually win elections. When they take the majority in the next general election, and when the next Prime Minister gets selected from said alliance, then we will have the time to post such a thing. --Jayron32 14:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's pretty much guaranteed we'll post the 2024 Indian election anyways. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - A lot of people would oppose solely for the reason that this is really just domestic politics and has no widespread significance, but the fact that this has happened in the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 1 BILLION eligible voters, that's big news. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm very uninformed about India and its politics, this is a pretty unprecedented event.

Population isn't the only reason I support (this is In the News, article is being well updated), but it is a significant factor that elevates the notability of Indian affairs for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - This alliance of the 26 parties is a major event in the politics of India and it has quite significant representation in both the Lok Sabha (143/543) and Rayja Sabha (96/245) and could very well shape up to be a strong force against the NDA and, by extension, Modi's nearly decade long position as PM. JumbledPasta (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose This could have some major political ramifications in the upcoming general election let alone in Modi's nearly decade tenure as PM. However, the later half of the article is unsourced. Once this is fixed, I can fully support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the orange tag. The article is a lacking some prose, but I'd be willing to support if the tag gets removed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support once fixed. I agree with the voices above. The depth and impact of this is quite significant, and it would be nice to post some India-related stories that aren't just disasters. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  If Chandrayaan-3 successfully lands on the Moon, that’ll be an ITN/R story involving India that isn’t a disaster. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Pre-election alliances are somewhat commonplace in the parliamentary system, and I do not recall another one being nominated previously. Being bias-averse, I would strongly object to breaking new ground due to the country's population, especially when that country is English-speaking. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know if you are much aware of Indian politics in the recent decade(s).

  This alliance isn't just a normal electoral coalition in a parliamentary democracy. In the last 14years, oppositions of the ruling BJP has never been this much united. They had feud within themselves. But it's the first time many years that parties which are actually enemies, have formed one grand alliance to take on the ruling coalition (In India). Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Comment; India is not an English speaking country, despite it being an official language in much of the country. Only 12% speak it fluently and 70% do not speak it at all. There are far more fluent English speakers in many other countries - 31 countries are rated as "High" or "Very High" in fluency and India is not amongst them, being rated 52nd out of 111. Black Kite (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Withdrawn. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems to be very much a work-in-progress. And it's interesting to read that Rahul Gandhi has been officially disqualified as a candidate while we ran a similar ban on Bolsonaro for weeks. All such countries have political news every day and our general practise is to just report the most major results such as election outcomes and other changes of power. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We cannot still be hung-up about the Bolsonaro blurb which had near unanimous support and was well within ITN tradition for former national leaders; comparing him to disqualified opposition leaders (never posted) is not really justified. Gotitbro (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The point in that case was that use of the law against opposition parties was commonplace. In this case, Rahul Gandhi has been disqualified while the INDIA acronym has already been reported to the police as an improper use of the country's name. Meanwhile, the parties can't quite agree what it stands for -- D = Democratic or Developmental, depending on who you talk to. As I said, it's a work-in-progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability - this is clearly important. Oppose on quality - not good enough yet. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Would like to see precedent for this, AFAIK we have not posted such coalition "announcements" ever before which only become significant (for us) at election time. Leaning oppose. Gotitbro (talk) 19:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - wait what? A group of parties have agreed to form a coalition, but that coalition is not the government, as this coalition is still in the minority? These parties usually vote in opposition to the government anyway. So what? Coalitions are formed in nearly every election cycle in nearly every parliamentary multi-party system. Otherwise this is internal political machinations that is trivial to most people, including Indians. nableezy - 19:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is certainly notable, and this may as well be one of the largest political coalition ever made, once the article is fixed, this should be ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Its not even the largest coalition in India? That would be the governing coalition National Democratic Alliance with, checks notes, the majority in the Lok Sabha. nableezy - 02:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Questions What does "List of governments" mean, in context? Also, doesn't an alliance require multiple parties? And wouldn't "uniting" make them one? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per nableezy and GreatCaesarsGhost. There’s nothing especially notable about this compared to other coalition formations, beyond the fact that India has a massive population. The Kip (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Question - did we post the turkish untiy coalition? this is awfully similar to that. it would set precedent. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support on notability; certainly a massive group of parties and from a diverse background. Oppose on article quality (referencing; disambiguation needed) and depth. Schwede66 01:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

July 18

Portal:Current events/2023 July 18

July 18, 2023 (2023-07-18) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Russian mobilization The Russian Federal Assembly amends its mobilization laws, raising the age limits for conscription to 70 years old from 65 for the highest-ranking officers of the armed forces. (Reuters) Business and economy Philippine president Bongbong Marcos signs into law the Maharlika Investment Fund, the country's sovereign wealth fund, amid warnings and opposition from various sectors. (Bloomberg) Spain's competition commission fines American technology companies Amazon and Apple €194 million (US$218 million) for allegedly agreeing to restrict competition by having Apple products sold directly through Amazon's platforms and limiting opportunities for third-party retailers. (AP) The Bank of Japan governor Kazuo Ueda says that the bank's loose monetary policy will continue, and since "our assumption ... is unchanged, our overall narrative on monetary policy remains unchanged." (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 North India floods Eight people are killed and more than 115,000 people are displaced after heavy flooding in Assam, India. (Reuters) An elderly woman is killed and two other people are injured when a three-story residential building partially collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Health and environment 2023 European heat waves The European Union's emergency response coordination centre issues red alerts due to extreme heat in Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, most of Italy, and parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Spain. (Reuters) An outbreak of dengue fever infects over 200 people in a rural region of Egypt's Qena Governorate. The patients are said to all have mild to moderate symptoms, which include fatigue and fever. (Egyptian Independent) International relations North Korea–United States relations, American military defectors to North Korea An American soldier facing disciplinary action flees across the inter-Korean border into North Korea and is believed to be in North Korean custody. (Reuters) South Korea–United States relations The USS Kentucky is deployed to Busan, South Korea, marking the first time that a nuclear-capable missile submarine has been deployed to the region since 1981. (Navy Times) Law and crime Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announces charges against 16 “fake electors” for former U.S. President Donald Trump in a effort to reverse president Joe Biden’s victory in the state during the 2020 election. (CNBC) Philippine drug war The Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Court rejects the appeal of the Philippine government against the resumption of the investigation of the war on drugs under the presidency of Rodrigo Duterte. (CNN) An Egyptian court sentences Christian rights activist Patrick Zaki to three years in prison over an opinion article he wrote in 2019 about discrimination against Coptic Christians. (AP) (BBC News) Science and technology 2023 in archosaur paleontology, 2023 in paleomammalogy In a study published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers present a 125-million-year-old fossil from central China depicting a mammalian Repenomamus robustus hunting a dinosaur, Psittacosaurus lujiatunensis, suggesting that small mammals may have actively hunted dinosaurs, not merely scavenged from them. (AP) Sports 2026 Commonwealth Games The Australian state of Victoria withdraws as host of the 2026 Commonwealth Games due to the increasing cost projections relative to initial estimations. (AFP via Philippine Daily Inquirer)

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(Ready) RD: Mike Hellawell

Article: Mike Hellawell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66237623
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Struway2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has 277 words and is too stubby for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support and marked ready, this is fine now it has been expanded. Black Kite (talk) 07:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article needs work but is OK for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Paul Kamuza Bakyenga

Article: Paul Kamuza Bakyenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://chimpreports.com/bishop-emeritus-bakyenga-dies-at-79/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ugandan priest. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Oommen Chandy

Article: Oommen Chandy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Kerala Chief Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks well-cited and goes pretty in-depth about the subject. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Close, but has some unreferenced tables and paragraphs. Spencer^T•C 07:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks OK. Alex-h (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ed Bressoud

Article: Ed Bressoud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died "last week", first reported today – Muboshgu (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article appears sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shintaro Yokota

Article: Shintaro Yokota (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NPB outfielder whose career was cut short by a brain tumor. Article could use some fleshing out and additional sourcing. Could particularly use some additional Japanese sources, as English ones are poor and lacking. Case in point, I'm not sure the source here is classified as "reliable", but it's the one linked in the article and the English sources I can find are probably not. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article length clears bar for ITNRD standards. AGF on Japanese sources. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks alright, assuming good faith on Japanese sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2026 Commonwealth Games cancellation

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2026 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Victorian Government in Australia cancels the 2026 Commonwealth Games. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The state government of Victoria, Australia revokes its decision to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.
News source(s): Australia Commonwealth Games 2026: Victoria cancels event after costs blow out to $7bn
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rude-boy-wayne (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PicturePerfect666 (talk · give credit) and Gracchus250 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The Commonwealth Games are covered by WP:ITNSPORTS and by extension, the notability of the cancellation of the event should not really be up for discussion. Schwede66 06:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Of course a cancelled R event is far less inherently noteworthy, it's the exact opposite, the parts our forepedians agreed make it special do not occur. And they don't occur in 2026 (unless something changes). Too soon for the event, too soon for the non-event. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The opening of the Commonwealth Games is listed as ITN/R, not the cancellation or any other related news. I've changed it in the nomination so that people don't get deluded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I disagree with InedibleHulk: the cancellation is equally as important. If the fact that it happens was deemed ITNR, then the fact that it won't happen (at this stage), is equally, if not more, noteworthy. Anarchyte (talk) 07:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  The lack of international participation, live broadcast schedule and athletic contest greatly reduces the importance. Without that (or the tourism bump, sponsorship deals and souvenir programs), we're left with a state budget reallocation. While that's certainly different from a New York state legislative veto on a few levels, it's similar enough to make me think about snowclosing this as too local (I won't, though, out of respect to the nominator and good people of Victoria who probably deserve affordable housing). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  "...too local" is a bit silly. This will be hitting the media in the 56 member nations of the Commonwealth, including India, with its population of 1.4 billion people. HiLo48 (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  And yet it's nothing like the NYC veto. That involved the politics of one city. This, while of course political, affects every Commonwealth country. They'll go away and find a new host; that's not in doubt. But the fallout of this is far greater than a local housing bill. Global (although primarily Commonwealth) news outlets are saying this could spell the beginning of the end for the Games: Guardian, ABC, Reuters, CNN. Anarchyte (talk) 07:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  You're talking to a card-carrying Canadian. The winning bid made the news here, too, and the time Durban fell through. Later, the replacement host will do the same again. We can't just post everything that involves a future event, no matter how convincing the alarmist speculation feels. Not without consensus, at least, no free pass. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  (You got me on the city point, though, I misremembered the state and should have bothered checking.) InedibleHulk (talk) 07:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support certainly in the British media. Secretlondon (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The games haven't been cancelled; the issue is that the host city is withdrawing. This happened last time to Durban and a replacement was found. There will be efforts to find some other stopgap and there's years still to do this. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Forget that this is related to an ITN/R item. This simply IS In The News! Of at least the 56 member nations of the Commonwealth, including India, with its population of 1.4 billion people. HiLo48 (talk) 08:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's a lot, but it's not all 56. Vanuatu doesn't even have news. Kiribati might, I barely checked. At least as far I can Google (first page of results), there's one story from India. It mentions Victoria, but then quickly moves on to things that actually happened. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  Give it time. It's only ten hours since the announcement. HiLo48 (talk) 10:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance Huge, very "whoa" event. This is probably the biggest sports event cancellation to date. MarioJump83 (talk) 10:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - The cancellation of recurring sports events is highly notable simply on the basis that those events are usually recurring, and I find the statistical figures compelling. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment - Did we blurb the cancellation/postponement of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, as that was an arguably larger event? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Good question. We did post it, but it was kinda a fiasco with the posting and pulling and reposting and the debating/discussion in that nom. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 13:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose As noted above, only the host city has decided to pull out, that doesn't mean the event has been cancelled in whole. --Masem (t) 12:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose If this was the cancellation of the 2026 Commonwealth Games I'd definitely support. However at the moment it's only the host city pulling out. It is true unlike in 2017 with Durban, no one seems to be interested in stepping up at the moment and indeed many who could seem to (seem perhaps being the operative word) have ruled it out and for that and I guess other reasons (the state of the world economy and the economies of anyone large enough to host) there are talks it could lead to the cancellation but we don't know, I'm sure most of us have been around long enough to know that sort of idle speculation often happens and then (perhaps with some scaling back) it ends up going ahead. And I'm not convinced the host city pulling out is enough to post even if we did post its selection (if we did). I recognise there is a risk that the 2026 Games will die a slow death and even if there is eventually some announcement it's not going ahead we'll end up with a situation no one really cares since it's basically already been clear for a long time. But I'm not sure posting an item on the host city pulling out is the solution. Nil Einne (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  This [3] might be of interest especially since it IMO touches on both sides of the include/exclude argument. It talks about how this could not only be the cancellation of the 2026 event but the risk to the games itself. But it also talks about how one of the reasons for that is the growing lack of interest and relevance. I also forgot to mention above another difference with 2017 Durban is the timeframe is a reasonable amount shorter. Nil Einne (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose per Masem and Andrew. If it’s just the city pulling out of hosting then it doesn’t seem significant enough yet to me. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 13:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose per Masem. IF the games as a whole were cancelled I'd support per WaltClipper. I think the rare cancellation of an ITN/R event is surely notable ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• If the games are actually cancelled then of course support, if its just up in the air for now until a new host city/state can be found then meh. nableezy - 13:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose i feel like india winning the 67th division of english cricket is way more important Massacreek (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support If the 2026 Commonwealth Games is cancelled/not held, can we be sure that there will be an announcement? It seems that a possible or even probable outcome is that 1 January 2026 arrives with no announcement, and then 2026 proceeds with no announcement. Then on 31 December 2026 or 1 January 2027 we could be sure that the event has been cancelled, but it won't be "in the news" because people would have assumed that the event would not be held. So for me, this is the appropriate time for an ITN posting. Chrisclear (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Added altblurb to reflect that the Commonwealth Games have not (yet) been cancelled, but Victoria will not be the host. Chrisclear (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose irrelevant for ITNR purposes. We are only interested in the holding or cancellation of the games, not the mere fact of changes in the hosts. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We usually post things as/when they happen to completion. Not notices, scheduling, planning or deliberative proceedings. CoatCheck (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Unless I'm missing something, the news is Victoria isn't hosting in 2026, not that the games have entirely been cancelled, which may, granted, be forthcoming, but still that hasn't happened yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Cancellation of a sport event short of the Olympics doesn't merit ITN, nor have the games even been cancelled, the host has just withdrawn This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose unless the games are outright cancelled. For now, this is just the host pulling out. The Kip (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The cancellation of some sports game does not merit the ITN, and from what I heard, it hasn't even been canceled, the host city just noped out. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not actually canceled, just without a host country. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 18:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape, high quality update, topic is in the news. --Jayron32 18:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ongoing removal: 2023 Sudan conflict

Article: 2023 Sudan conflict (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: One editor's opinions: yes, this was big news when it broke out, but sadly has become another ongoing conflict similar to many others in Africa (Central African Republic Civil War) and elsewhere (Myanmar civil war (2021–present), Yemeni civil war (2014–present)) (and yes, I know Sudan was geographically the largest country in Africa, though is no longer). Keeping it in the ITN box while other similar conflicts are not there violates WP:UNDUE. Thoughts from other editors? UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• I thought it was meant to counterbalance our undue attention on the Ukrainian conflict. Even if that wasn't the intent (not much intent was stated beyond "significant" and "ongoing"), it seems to me now that removing it would just reinforce our apparent preference. Maybe we should rather add one of the ones you mention are still ongoing, perhaps in the middle, where the soldiers and civilians aren't so black-and-white. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think keeping the Ukrainian conflict as the sole entry would violate WP:UNDUE given 1) its cross-border nature, 2) one of the parties is a nuclear-armed state, 3) much higher casualty figures than the Sudan conflict. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• On second thought, perhaps highlighting the 2023 North American Indigenous Games might instead spread awareness of how 756 lesser-recognized nations settle their differences peacefully. It's not all war and disease going on, y'know? Quality isn't perfect. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment Just so you know there’s a section of the itn blurb template you’re supposed to use for ongoing removals. “| ongoing = rem” will make it an ongoing removal nom. Here’s an example of a proper ongoing removal nomination. Later note: Another editor has added the template now (would’ve done it myself but I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to so I decided to err on the side of caution.) Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 05:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @MonarchOfTerror and whomever BOLDly cleaned up my nom.; will know to use it the next time. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, seems to still be receiving major updates thanks largely to User:Borgenland. The UN announced they found a new mass grave with 87 victims just a few days ago. - Indefensible (talk) 06:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support There are lots of comparable ongoing armed conflicts. There are three in the top tier of "major wars" and this isn't one of them. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose for now. Article is updated with news as of about 4-5 days ago, so it is still being updated. Though if nothing else gets updated by the end of the week, I would consider dropping it. --Jayron32 10:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see any reason we shouldn't post the top 3-5 ongoing armed conflicts and it seems reasonable to say this is in the list. Therefore the only consideration is whether the article is receiving updates. Since it still seems to be, it's reasonable to include it. I also think the relative recency of this is an added factor since it means the mass movement of people and the problem of of housing or protecting them is for lack of a better word, more active or topical. Nil Einne (talk) 12:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose article is still receiving updates. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support There has been no major news updates on this for at least a week. Yes, the article has been getting updates but not on any current events, which is the requirement for ongoing. --Masem (t) 19:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Article does receive constant updates (at times several a day). Just check the history.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, especially in re mass grave discoveryThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as new edits/updates seem to be rolling in ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:18, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

July 17

Portal:Current events/2023 July 17

July 17, 2023 (2023-07-17) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion A couple are killed and their daughter is injured by explosions at the Crimean Bridge. (Reuters) (The Guardian) Black Sea Grain Initiative The agreement to allow safe passage of grain exports from Ukrainian ports, in effect since July 2022, expires following Russia's refusal to renew the deal. (Reuters) Afghan conflict Three children are killed and two others are injured when a mortar warhead explodes in Dara-i Sufi Payin District, Samangan Province, Afghanistan. (Khaama Press) Disasters and accidents 2023 Pacific typhoon season Monsoon rains aggravated by Tropical Storm Talim have affected the northern Philippines, killing a person during a landslide in Rizal. Nine crew members of a fishing vessel who went missing off Camarines Norte are rescued off Camarines Sur. (The Philippine Star) (Abante Tonite) 2023 Greece wildfires Two wildfires near the Greek seaside towns of Lagonisi, East Attica, and Loutraki, Corinthia, cause significant property damage and prompt the evacuation of thousands. The Athens urban area and most of southern Greece are on the second highest level of wildfire alert. (AP via ABC News) Fifteen people are killed, six others are injured and thirteen more are missing during landslides caused by heavy rains in Quetame, Colombia. (DW) Thirteen people are killed and five others are injured when a building collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Five people are killed and seven others are injured when a Cessna 208 aircraft crashes into a hangar at an aerodrome in the village of Chrcynno, Poland. (AFP via NDTV) Health and environment The World Health Organization reports that the avian influenza is responsible for killing dozens of cats across 13 regions of Poland, marking the first instance of the virus affecting a large number of felines over an extensive area. (Global News) International relations Political status of Western Sahara, Israel–Morocco relations Israel recognizes Morocco's sovereignty over Western Sahara. (The Jerusalem Post) Law and crime Shakahola Forest incident The number of people who died in Kenya after following a pastor who ordered them to fast to death in order to meet Jesus increases to 403 as the bodies of twelve more people are exhumed. (AP) A Kenyan magistrate court acquits former British-based evangelist Gilbert Deya, who claimed to aid infertile couples conceive through prayer, due to insufficient prosecution evidence connecting Deya to the trafficking of five children between 1999 and 2004. (AFP via The Manila Times) Politics and elections Singaporean Parliament Speaker Tan Chuan-Jin and backbencher Cheng Li Hui resign from the Parliament of Singapore and the ruling People's Action Party after admitting to having an extramarital affair. (CNA)

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RD: Jerry Bradley (music executive)

Article: Jerry Bradley (music executive) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Rolling Stone
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Derek R Bullamore (talk · give credit) and Miller17CU94 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music exec known for his work in country music. Article doesn’t appear to have any problems of note. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Nancy Pyle

Article: Nancy Pyle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sanjosespotlight.com/her-heart-was-in-service-former-san-jose-councilmember-nancy-pyle-dies/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Legoktm (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: San Jose, California educator and politican (she was my representative for a number of years). This is my first ITN nomination, let me know if I missed anything, thanks! Legoktm (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Sue Marx

Article: Sue Marx (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WXYZ
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rigg (talk · give credit) and CAWylie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Academy Award winning filmmaker. Thriley (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article's a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• With merely 239 words of prose, this stubby wikibio needs to be expanded before it can go on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: João Donato

Article: João Donato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR G1
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian pianist. Discography needs citations. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Discography is entirely uncited. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Valentin Gheorghiu

Article: Valentin Gheorghiu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4][5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Editor 5426387 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is at near-stub level, only has two sources so ref work is needed and the article body sounds almost like a resume/obituary. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 00:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Article needs a lot of work, everything in the multiple issues template needs to be addressed. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on Quality As a classical musician myself, it is sad to see another composer and pianist die, but the article has this strange section about critics which promotes him too much, on top of the other issues mentioned ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is a premature nomination. I will not have time to look until tomorrow (haven't finished yesterday's RD article, and not begun today's, and doing no more than one per day). I requested a native Romanian speaker, and we'll see what happens. All help is welcome, but no additional oppose needed until a signal comes here that it's updated. - I wonder if a nomination without update makes any sense, but well, if the result would be update, then yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Crimean Bridge explosions

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A set of explosions at the Crimean Bridge kills 2 people and injures 1 and forces the bridge to close. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 2 people are killed in a set of explosions at the Crimean Bridge.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Explosions at the Crimean Bridge cause the deaths of 2 people, including a child who was injured.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Crimean Bridge is closed after 2 explosions rocked the bridge, killing 2 people, and injuring a child.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, CNN, Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Altenmann (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This incident happened about 10 hours ago, as of the time I'm writing this, so some sources may very quickly become outdated. This is the 2nd time the Crimean Bridge got attacked by Ukraine, the last time being... I think everyone knows what happened last time. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 12:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait, leaning oppose due to ongoing. No cause yet is known so we can't attribute it to Ukraine. And the small number of deaths makes this a minor point in the war, barring anything unusual in followup. Masem (t) 13:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Isn't the point of ITN to post ongoing events on the Main Page?

Also, how is this event minor? The Crimean Bridge is a critical supply line. Last time the bridge exploded (attacked), it resulted in 5 deaths. This resulted in 2. But somehow the older explosion is not minor, but this is, because there were only 2 deaths instead of 5. It's still an explosion, which just so happened to be on a key supply line used by Russia, 9 months after another attack.

Yes, most of the sourcing comes from Russian officials talking about the explosion for now. We'll also have to wait before we can be sure what caused it. But of course Russian officials are claiming it's a Ukrainian drone attack. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. After all, it would be a smart way to stall Russian military supplies (at least some of them), and then lure officials to the attack site, and (optionally) launch another one, damaging the bridge further and killing Russian officials as well. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 13:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Was a notable event last time around, not so much the 2nd time. Major infrastructure in a war zone will get bombed. This is covered by ongoing.

Good faith nom, but I don't really think this meets the requirements. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose covered by ongoing. We don't post all the times that Russia fires cruise missiles into Ukrainian residential areas. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Mangala Narlikar

Article: Mangala Narlikar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Eminent mathematician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, Article if fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support, article is fine 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 12:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Well cited, especially for a start-class article. SunsetShotguns (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 15:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality and sourcing looks good. Marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per Above Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Per all above. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

July 16

Portal:Current events/2023 July 16

July 16, 2023 (2023-07-16) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Anglophone Crisis Ten people are killed and two others are injured as gunmen open fire at a busy junction in Bamenda, Northwest Region, Cameroon. (Reuters) Transnistrian communist and opposition leader Oleg Khorzhan is assassinated during a stabbing attack in his office. (Newsweek) Business and economy Corporate responses to the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian President Vladimir Putin authorizes a temporary state takeover of French agribusiness Danone and Carlsberg-owned brewer Baltika's shares, as part of a wider response to many private companies, including these two, reducing their business operations in Russia amid the ongoing war in Ukraine. (AFP via SCMP) Disasters and accidents List of earthquakes in 2023 A 7.2 magnitude earthquake strikes off the coast of Alaska, United States, causing a tsunami warning to be issued for the region. (ABC News) Forty-two pilot whales die in a mass beaching incident on a beach in North Tolsta, Outer Hebrides, Scotland, United Kingdom, while 12 others are euthanised following failed attempts to refloat them due to adverse conditions. (AFP via WION) Six people are killed and three others are injured in a car crash in Tacoma, Washington, United States. (AP) At least four people are killed and seven others are hospitalized when a water bus carrying 20 passengers capsizes in the Buriganga River near Dhaka, Bangladesh. A rescue operation is ongoing. (Reuters via Hindustan Times) Four people are killed and 13 more injured during a building collapse in Beheira Governorate, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) The Office of Civil Defense in the Philippines reports that search and rescue operations are ongoing for nine passengers of a fishing vessel who went missing off Mercedes, Camarines Norte, earlier this week. (Philippine News Agency via Manila Bulletin) Health and environment 2023 Asia heat wave Japan issues heat stroke warnings in 20 of its prefectures due to near-record high temperatures, reaching nearly 40 °C (104 °F) in some areas, with the country's meteorological agency indicating the possibility of surpassing the highest ever recorded temperature of 41.1 °C (106.0 °F). (AFP via The Hindu) At an Alzheimer's Association conference in Amsterdam, Netherlands, experts in Alzheimer's disease propose a new seven-point diagnostic scale that incorporates advancements in testing for key Alzheimer's-related proteins and aims to facilitate more personalized treatment strategies. (Reuters) International relations Accession of the United Kingdom to CPTPP Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch formally signs the accession protocol for the United Kingdom to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. (Nikkei Asia) Law and crime Iranian protests against compulsory hijab Iranian Morality Police resume patrols to enforce hijab compliance. (Al Jazeera) A large protest occurs in the city of Rasht in response to the Morality Police's unsuccessful attempt to arrest three unveiled women. The crowd pushes the police back before security forces intervene with tear gas. (Iran International) Andre Longmore, the suspected gunman in a mass shooting in Hampton, Georgia, United States, is shot and killed by police, ending a manhunt for him. (NBC News) Sports 2023 ATP Tour 2023 Wimbledon Championships In tennis, Carlos Alcaraz of Spain defeats Novak Djokovic of Serbia in the final to win the men's singles title at the 2023 Wimbledon Championships, becoming the first non-Big Four player to win the tournament since 2002. (USA Today) 2023 CONCACAF Gold Cup In association football, Mexico win their ninth CONCACAF Gold Cup title after defeating Panama 1–0 in the final at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, California, United States, with Santiago Giménez scoring the winner in the 88th minute. Panama's Adalberto Carrasquilla is awarded the tournament's Golden Ball. (AP)

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RD: Kevin Mitnick

Article: Kevin Mitnick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Verge
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. Famous (or infamous, depending on your POV) hacker in the 90s for hacking numerous companies and obtaining source code for various products. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Any comments regarding article quality and readiness for use on MainPage, please? How famous the subject is is not really relevant for RD selection. --PFHLai (talk) 05:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• PFHLai I've fixed some of the sourcing issues the article previously had. Do you think the article's subject is up to par now? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ricky Rivero

Article: Ricky Rivero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, PhilStar
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino actor/director. - Indefensible (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article basically a stub with very little about his career seen. Expansion on career section would do the article some good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose Needs a little expansion. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose 228 words is far too stubby and short for ITNRD standards. Expansion is needed for this to meet the bar for posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Harry Frankfurt

Article: Harry Frankfurt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American philosopher. Author of the best selling book On Bullshit. Thriley (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose No info on death in the article body. A sentence at least about his death would be good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  I have made a personal life section which includes his death. Thriley (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Perfect! Looking at the article again, there's come CN tags in the career section that need to be address.--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Needs sourcing improvements, more specifically the 4 cn tags in the career section need to be resolved. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose 4 CN tags in the career section need to be addressed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Oleg Khorzhan

Article: Oleg Khorzhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Express, Yahoo
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Yue (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PLATEL (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Murdered Transnistrian politician. Seems like an interesting case. - Indefensible (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Notable person, article looks good. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Editor 5426387 Please do not use notability as a reason to !support or !oppose Recent death nominations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is fine, not great but not bad either. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Birth date is uncited. Curbon7 (talk) 21:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Curbon7: Done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks sufficient. (Assuming good faith on Russian sources.) Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Wimbledon 2023

Articles: 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles (talk · history · tag) and 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová and Carlos Alcaraz (players pictured) win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová (pictured left) wins the women's singles and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured right) wins the men's singles at the Wimbledon Championships.
News source(s): NYT - The Guardian - The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Μοναστηράκι (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2a00:23c6:db28:8e01:dcfa:b91f:f101:4e60 (talk · give credit), Micnl (talk · give credit), 2001:44c8:4083:e22a:6c7c:cdb6:a233:6ac2 (talk · give credit), Fyunck(click) (talk · give credit) and Rubyaxles (talk · give credit)

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: All three articles need improvements regarding quality (i.e, table walls [surprise]). — Knightoftheswords 18:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose DJOKOVIC IS THE GOAT!!! ALCARAZ COULD NEVER WIN FROM HIM!!!!

Just kidding, still opposing for now though due to page quality concerns. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 19:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

A very surprising result indeed haha PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural support although I fundamentally think sports shouldn’t be treated as ITN/R (and maybe should have their own section akin to RD), as long as current policy holds it meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Re-iterating the opposes above. All 3 pages need a substantial amount of prose to augment the tables, including recaps of the final matches in both sides. Masem (t) 01:21, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose for the usual sports article problem, needs some good old prose. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 02:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Why do tennis pages consistently misuse the {{main}} hatnote at the tops of pages?—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - quality is very poor. I'm not sure why we are bold linking the tournaments, and not just the overarching article 2023 Wimbledon Championships? If that one had a bit of work and an event summary it might be ok. It's a bit crazy to only suggest that the men's and women's events are the only important parts. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically, it's been the men's and women's singles that get blurbed. Are they not the most notable events? The bolding of the singles, presumably, was because it's been the pages more likely to meet quality requirements. —Bagumba (talk) 08:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically is kinda irrelevant. The championships as a whole are in the news. Whilst the main events, as it were are the most important, they are hardly independently notable from the championships article.

  I suppose regardless, all three articles are of poor quality. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically is kinda irrelevant: Not when the current proposed blurbs still only highlight the men's and women's singles, as before.—Bagumba (talk) 05:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support once improved. Players' articles look good. More prose is needed for the tournament pages. e.b. (talk) 23:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

See WP:POPULARPAGE/NOBODYREADSIT. The Kip (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Ranking The main interest for our readers seems to be the generational change in the mens event. Their ranking is: 1. Carlos Alcaraz 2. Novak Djokovic 4. Wimbledon Championships 7. List of Wimbledon gentlemen's singles champions 10. Rafael Nadal 11. Roger Federer 17. List of Grand Slam men's singles champions 20. Markéta Vondroušová 24. Andy Murray 30. Juan Carlos Ferrero 32. Goran Ivanišević 34. 2023 Wimbledon Championships 43. 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles 46. Ons Jabeur 47. Annabel Croft 50. Grand Slam (tennis) So, the 2023 articles don't seem to be getting much attention. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC) Which is why we don't care about reader pageviews here. We're not trying to optimize SEO or the like here. Masem (t) 12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Articles still have quality issues that need to be addressed. The Kip (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - ITN/R, though article needs work. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - ITN/R, and to address Lee Vilenskis concern... how about a blurb without the two table farms of the men's and women's championships like: In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová (pictured left) wins the women's singles and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured right) wins the men's singles at the Wimbledon Championships.

Marketa is already a GA and Carlos Alcaraz is achievable rather soon in my opinion. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

??PrecariousWorlds I mean Marketa would likely pass a quality check by and if there are any concerns on Carlos Alcaraz or the Wimbledon Championships we can address them. On the table farm articles on the men's and women's singles... I don't believe we will find anyone who'd be willing to expand them, this includes their nominator. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: Nahel Merzouk unrest

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Article: Nahel Merzouk protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - France24 - WaPo - Fox - DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PopularGames (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TrueDarkDorito (talk · give credit), ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), SashiRolls (talk · give credit), Scanlan (talk · give credit) and Isi96 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The blurb has fallen off with the recent wave of postings, but is still ongoing and receiving mainstream coverage, with the article still receiving daily updates. — Knightoftheswords 18:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose — The protests aren't even on the front page of Le Monde or France24. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:15, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Nothing documented past July 10 on our article, and as I understand it, the protests no longer have the scale that the original posting merited. Masem (t) 18:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Luigi Bettazzi

Article: Luigi Bettazzi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.avvenire.it/amp/av/pagine/monsignor-luigi-bettazzi
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noel baran (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian prelate. Article looks to be nearly ready though may need some work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - good enough to meet requirements in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I don't see anything to throw up red flags. And being one of the few (the last of the 42, actually) Pact of the Catacombs signees and was also at the Second Vatican Council, which has set up the modern Church now (Whether or not its totally worked, up to you) for over sixty years. Arguably, the impact of the Catacombs is seen through the current Pope. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Two CN tags that I couldn't find sources for. Rest of the article appears fine. Curbon7 (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but the remaining CN tag should be fixed. What a beautiful career he had! _-_Alsor (talk) 09:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support I’ve resolved the last 2 cn tags, so the article should be of satisfactory quality now. Marking as ready. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 09:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support G2G. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Ongoing: 2023 heatwaves

Article: 2023 heat waves (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - NBC - VOA - NYT - NYT (again)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PalauanLibertarian (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Theodoreesquires (talk · give credit) and Chefallen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Long time no see ITN! Glad to see that we aren't set to have severa; ITN items be on the main page for a month. Since April, we've continually had nominations regarding heatwaves, be it the three noms for Asia, the North American for June, or the recent Europe nom. An argument that often gets made is that the whole world is experiencing a heatwave, which spurred an idea amongst some: what if we nominated a general article encompassing the whole globe for ongoing? The subject article itself needs serious cleaning up, but I'll work on the article now that I'm done with exams. — Knightoftheswords 14:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

52.2°C in northwest China (125.96°F/126.0). Absolutely destroying the world record for 40.000000+° from the Equator (and China's record) by 1.5C (2.7F). If it was c. 2.137551° norther it would've destroyed Earth's record for closer to pole than equator by 2.6C/4.7F (Canada 2021). Turpan City population hundreds of thousands new record over 49C/120F @ c. 42.93°N. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a source for 52.2°C in China? I saw a few mentions on Twitter but I can't find any articles and the Chinese weather websites have 48.7°C as the maximum. I'm trying to find a RS. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Yale Climate Connections (the university not the door lock) should have an article on the extreme weather in hours, days at worst. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Washington Post had it for a few hours by now. [6] Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-logs-522-celsius-extreme-weather-rewrites-records-2023-07-17/ Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

This article would be good to cover the record temperatures ITNC from earlier this week as well. However, the article is far from being ready for posting. There absolutely needs to be a section on the metrological reasons for the heat wave and the connection to global warming issues that have been seen, and not just reporting of high temperatures in a proseline approach. --Masem (t) 14:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support in principle, oppose on quality Article still needs work depth wise and also generally improved writing. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 14:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Historic event. --Travisthecrab (talk) 14:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Just "heatwaves" in general is just way too broad for an ITN item. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle, oppose on quality so far per above. The article should have a broader overview, with more major temperature records. While posting the overarching global warming is debatable, I think the ongoing general consequences should appear one way or the other in ITN. Brandmeister^talk 17:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article need some improved writing, the heatwave does not seem significant enough for ITN, and the article seems too broad. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support once ready As stated the article is a WIP, but in principle the matter is absolutely one that should be represented. It feels like every week new heat records are broken somewhere in the world, it's a subject that is absolutely dominating regional and international news cycles. Seems to fit ITN's purpose well enough. BSMRD (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support The European Space Agency (ESA) said the next week could bring the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe. Count Iblis (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  That would be amazing, the last European record break was less than 2 years ago (11 Aug 2021 48.8C Sicily). And I was wrong Italy won't be hottest today but days later. Death Valley and NW China are hot today, possibly not a record for Death Valley though (the forecast was 131 a few days ago!) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance I'll let those with more experienced minimum quality radar than me judge when that's reached. This seems to be an unusual time, something should be put up for it. Also Sardinia forecast for 117! Possible break of their record of 118.4. Googling "Rome weather" shows a few F above their record & Google's often low. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - ...good idea. Seems to be no letup soon. Jusdafax (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Annual summer traditions, sponsored by climate change. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This has to be the most serious wave of heat waves. I don't think we had faced these heatwaves this strong before. MarioJump83 (talk) 11:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Fossil fumes very insulating now: 120F @ 1am California time=00:06:XX sundial time from only 127-129F daytime. 120's nearly 5°F above the previous midnight record for Earth! Japan only about 2.5F under its high temp record and Vegas 1F under. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, Notable news. Alex-h (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs some major expansion; it is very light on useful information right now. --Jayron32 17:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - Welcome back Knight! Hope exams went well. I've actually had some myself recently

Anyways, there's a live page on the BBC covering it. Wildfires have broken out in Greece causing evacuations, World Meteorological Organisation believes the heatwave will continue until August. Making lots of coverage In The News, so I think it meets the bar for ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Canadian smoke's gonna last till fall or winter too, the news just doesn't care about the low pop density area the worst is confined to when winds are usual. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Not low enough, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

That is so sad. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

On the bright side, the smoke is once again affecting the more popular areas. Not bright for the people who live there, of course, gloomy as ever. But if it helps just one careless smoker or camper or pyromaniac wake up and avert turning dry windy conditions into disaster anywhere on Earth, it's a plus. Also, a smoking fire is easier for firefighters to approach than a blazing one. Anyway, Oppose. This article is going nowhere fast. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

First 45.3C in Catalonia! (1.6C record break). True, article still poor. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Rome broke its record by 2.1C! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

And the sheer number of vandals pouring through the gates has skyrocketed by 50%! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality per above. Obviously notable enough for ongoing at this point, but article is in weak shape. The Kip (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support if the article can be maintained and brought up to par. Anarchyte (talk) 07:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article largely 1-2 sentence updates within larger sections. Spencer^T•C 07:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jane Birkin

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Article: Jane Birkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Anglo-French singer and actress Jane Birkin (pictured) dies at age 76. (Post)
News source(s): Sky News The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2001:bb6:4e52:7d00:ac64:a20d:aab6:7877 (talk · give credit), RevAndroid (talk · give credit), Egghead06 (talk · give credit), Psychloppos (talk · give credit) and ‎Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English-French singer. Article is in good shape. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:15, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Article is nearly there but filmography and discography need citations. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 12:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Talented actress, article looks in good shape, esp once remaining refs filled in. Am adding some references. --2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:AC64:A20D:AAB6:7877 (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Blurb Per Macron and others, she was an icon that transcended generations. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  No, just no. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  Don't handwave assertions of such importance - they need to be in the article first and foremost before we can consider blurbs based on that. Masem (t) 17:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  I cited a good source which seems both reliable and respectable. The opposition just seems to be based on their personal opinion, which is otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  There needs to be significant coverage of this in our article. Otherwise, while you can point to a source, its handwaving to claim she is significant. Masem (t) 20:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• No blurb Iconic in some ways yes, but her actual body of work is quite slim and certainly not transformative in any way. Black Kite (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• No blurb per Black Kite. Modest body of work and inspiring a handbag is not "transformative" or in any way meeting what should be stringent criteria for a blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• No blurb and commented it out from the template, even. Maybe premature, but even among those who support the posting of actors and entertainers as blurbs, you will not find a consensus for this. Getting an OBE isn't enough. In addition, it's an unfortunate distraction from what should be a straightforward RD nom since we get cluttered with the usual !votes of "never heard of them" and "not famous enough" which, even as I engage in the practice, at times I feel can be somewhat callous. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Muboshgu. Labeling her as a fashion icon might be a bit overstated, as her influence primarily revolves around a single handbag (which bears her name and has since evolved into a status symbol, to be fair) rather than a more extensive and consistent impact on the industry. Mooonswimmer 19:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Discography needs some more refs per MonarchOfTerror, otherwise support RD. - Indefensible (talk) 20:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Another instance of an off the cuff addition not intended by the nominator. Sidney Poitier is the last veritable posting which was posted without much debate. That is the standard we have here as of now. Gotitbro (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Update - Article now fully sourced.2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:AC64:A20D:AAB6:7877 (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Marked RD ready, blurb discussion still under way. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posting RD, as the discussion stands now, there is a consensus against the blurb. --Tone 22:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb An icon, but no. Again agree with WaltCip that some sense needs to be used before suggesting RD blurbs to avoid unnecessary putdowns. Kingsif (talk) 00:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 15

Portal:Current events/2023 July 15

July 15, 2023 (2023-07-15) (Saturday) Disasters and accidents 2023 South Korea floods Thirty-seven people are killed, several others are missing, and many are injured in South Korea when torrential rains cause landslides and the overflow of a dam in North Chungcheong, prompting the evacuation of over 4,700 people nationwide. Prime Minister Han Duck-soo calls for the deployment of the military to conduct search and rescue operations. (AP) A wildfire prompts the evacuation of over 2,000 residents on La Palma, Canary Islands, Spain, decimating around 4,500 hectares and destroying about a dozen homes. (AP) A fire breaks out and destroys the Royal Albion Hotel, a 196-year-old Grade II* listed building, in Brighton and Hove, England, United Kingdom. (Sky News) (iNews) Health and environment 2023 European heat waves The Italian health ministry issues an "extreme" health risk warning for 16 cities, including Florence and Rome, as the European Space Agency reports that potential record-breaking temperatures of up to 48 °C (118 °F) could be reached. (CNN) International relations North Korea–Russia relations Russia announces that it will investigate whether the North Korean Hwasong-18 missile landed in the country's exclusive economic zone. (Reuters via NBC News) South Korea–Ukraine relations South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol makes an unannounced visit to Kyiv and meets with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, announcing that South Korea will pledge US$150 million in additional aid to Ukraine. (AP via The Guardian) Law and crime Four people are killed in a mass shooting in Hampton, Georgia, United States. (Metro) (The New York Times) Sports 2023 WTA Tour 2023 Wimbledon Championships In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová of the Czech Republic defeats Ons Jabeur of Tunisia in the final, 6–4, 6–4 to win the women's singles title at the 2023 Wimbledon Championships, becoming the first unseeded player in history to win the Wimbledon title. (AFP via ABS-CBN News)

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RD: Everett Mendelsohn

Article: Everett Mendelsohn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American historian of science. Death published 15 July. Thriley (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Royal Albion Hotel

Article: Royal Albion Hotel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal Albion Hotel, a 196-year-old Grade II* listed building, in Brighton and Hove, England, United Kingdom, is destroyed in a fire. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, iNews, Sky.com
Credits:

• Nominated by 67.149.160.101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 67.149.160.101 (talk) 14:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose A few uncited statements in the Historical sketches and hotel guests section need to be addressed. Also, I'm not sure whether mere fires are worthy for blurbs. I'm aware of the South African mill fire we posted, but that was years ago. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Derek Malcolm

Article: Derek Malcolm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/16/derek-malcolm-longtime-guardian-film-critic-dies-aged-91
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English film critic. Almost ready though could use a bit more expansion. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose 318 words is too stubby for ITNRD standards. (In my opinion, if the infobox is larger than the article text on Vector 2010, then it's not ready for posting.) Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Billy MacMillan

Article: Billy MacMillan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nj.com/devils/2023/07/devils-mourn-death-of-former-coach-billy-macmillan.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dominus Moravian (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian hockey player. Almost ready but needs more citations. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Some citations need to be added here and there, but this article could probably get by without them. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Marie-Laure de Decker

Article: Marie-Laure de Decker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France 24
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Thebiguglyalien (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French war photographer Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 20:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:02, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 South Korean floods

Article: 2023 South Korean floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A dam in North Chungcheong Province, South Korea overflows, leading to at least 33 deaths. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding and landslides in South Korea leave at least 40 dead and 9 others missing.
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by MarioJump83 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gray eyes (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit) and Lucie Person (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Unusual high death count for a flooding in the region. The article might have to get significant amount of work since it is short. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Was looking for this article yesterday. Related subject Geography of South Korea#Climate has room for improvement, there is a discussion on splitting the article on its talk page. - Indefensible (talk) 17:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - notable, unusually high amount of deaths. — Knightoftheswords 18:59, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, expanded the article a bit and added an alt blurb since some of the deaths were not in the named province nor due to the overflowing dam. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 05:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support 40 deaths is a lot for a place where everyone carries phones with alerts that are unblockable by the time the risk of not fleeing gets that bad. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:10, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Not the longest article but what's there is decent. Schwede66 22:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I've added some CC 3.0 photographs to the article which may be used for the listing. :3 F4U (they/it) 07:25, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Francisco Ibáñez Talavera

Article: Francisco Ibáñez Talavera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Spanish comic book artist and writer. Article looks fine except for an uncited “works” section. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 07:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I am improving his article, as he had a long professional trajectory that I believe is not yet reflected. I would prefer to let you know once it is fully ready so that it can be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Article is mostly ready; however, I identified an uncited passage, and the "Works" section could use more references. The Kip (talk) 19:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support task finished. The article seems to be ready to be posted. @The Kip: Can you take a look at it, please? _-_Alsor (talk) 22:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Looks good to me. The Kip (talk) 03:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is fully-cited and well-written. The Kip (talk) 03:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 European heat waves

Article: 2023 European heat waves (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Heatwaves spread throughout the European continent, causing record-breaking temperatures. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Gaining lots of news attention, likely to get more severe in the coming months. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Strong Oppose, as it is hot EVERYWHERE in the world, and we should be looking to post the record temp ITNC below. Masem (t) 22:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait for the likely more severe coming months (and related events) or acknowledge this latest continental summer as Ongoing now. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  At least wait till tomorrow. Rome could break its record by 2°C and Earth could break its record by ≥1°F. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  Lytton broke the Canadian record three consecutive times before bursting into flames just shy of 50, so world famous or not, Rome's going to need something tangible to impress me (not just confirm a number). As far as Earth is concerned, it's already tomorrow in Sydney and Durban, where it's 15 degrees. Maybe that's warm for winter, but not hot. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  The Death Valley part of Earth isn't even Sunday yet. Californian time zone. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 06:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  And yet, true to form, has already seen more bloodshed. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:09, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Observation This article has the same problem as those gone by, wherein everything to do with heat (whether Germany's "warmer than usual" or Ireland's "mini heat wave") are treated as legitimate heatwaves (which don't spread or cause high temperatures). There are eight instances of "expected". About half apply to dates which have already passed. Not cool then, not cool now. In my opinion, of course. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose currently, the whole world is experiencing a heat wave, and records for a certain place gets changed all the time, so this does not seem ITN-worthy, when it is record-breaking in the entire world, then it might be ITN-worthy.Editor 5426387 (talk) 05:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Ongoing There was a big Asian heatwave earlier and there's more to come. We should put something general into Ongoing to help get readers started on these many weather stories. For example, 2023 heat waves or Weather of 2023. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:41, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  +1 on this Schwinnspeed (talk) 11:13, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Leaning ongoing, as more importantly, heat waves in this year seems to be occurring at a higher frequency than the last time. Let's just say, 2023 heat waves should be considered here. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:32, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality. This article suffers from the same issue most heatwave articles do. It's a jumble of different statements under each country's section without much cohesiveness. Also, I oppose this as the target article anyway if we are to post this item, as the correct target should be the ongoing heatwave, Heatwave Cerberus, though this article suffers from the same issues. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:32, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

July 14

Portal:Current events/2023 July 14

July 14, 2023 (2023-07-14) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Jihadist insurgency in Niger Five people are killed and 19 more injured during an ambush by gunmen at a convoy in the Tillabéri Region, Niger. Two attackers are killed in the ensuing shootout. (VOA) Arts and culture 2023 Hollywood labor disputes 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike Universal announces that the upcoming red carpet premiere for the Oppenheimer film has been cancelled amidst the SAG-AFTRA strikes. The film is still expected to be screened. (Screen International) Business and economy Foxconn, a tech giant headquartered in Taiwan, announces that it has made a deal with Karnataka, a state in India, to buy 300 acres of land for a new iPhone factory. (Economic Times) International relations Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Azerbaijan's State Border Service reopens the Lachin corridor to allow the Red Cross to conduct medical evacuations from Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia amid protests over the corridor's closure on July 11 and humanitarian concerns. (AFP via France 24) Law and crime Gilgo Beach serial killings A suspect in the Long Island serial murders is arrested in Massapequa Park, New York, United States. (The Independent) Protests against Quran desecration in Sweden Police authorize a protest involving the burning of the Bible and the Torah outside the Israeli embassy in Stockholm following a series of anti-Islam demonstrations involving Quran desecration across the country. Israeli officials have urged the Swedish government to prevent the act. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 Cambodian general election Two members of the opposition Candlelight Party are arrested for allegedly encouraging voters to spoil ballots ahead of the election. (AFP via The Guardian) Science and technology Japanese space program An Epsilon S solid-propellant rocket upper stage, an upgraded version of JAXA's Epsilon launch vehicle, explodes about a minute after ignition during a test in Akita Prefecture. (AFP via CNA) The Indian Space Research Organization launches Chandrayaan-3 on a mission to the Moon. The mission will deploy the Vikram lander and Pragyan rover to study the Moon's surface for two weeks. The mission is similar to the failed Chandrayaan-2 mission, which crashed shortly before landing in 2019. (Space.com) Sports 2023 Pacific Four Series In women's rugby union, New Zealand win their second consecutive Pacific Four Series title after defeating the United States 39–17 at TD Place Stadium in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. (BBC Sport)

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(Closed) Chandrayaan-3

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Article: Chandrayaan-3 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India has launched its third Moon mission, Chandrayaan-3, from spaceport in Andhra Pradesh. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, TOI, Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 12:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait We should wait until it has either landed or crashed. 2607:9880:2D28:108:B818:9A26:1F7B:43A (talk) 12:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article(s) appear to be in good shape, waiting until the craft does "xyz" is irrelevant to the existing coverage in the news -- something is going to happen to it, regardless. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  waiting until the craft does "xyz" is irrelevant to the existing coverage in the news Yes, except that portion of the event is WP:ITN/R, specifically under the "Space Exploration" category: Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - Per @Kcmastrpc. Best of luck to ISRO! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until 23 August per User:WaltCip 5.151.106.5 (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Respectfully, I don't see the significance here. This is already the third mission in this program alone, and at this point launching a craft to explore the moon is hardly new. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:03, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per DarkSide, after the 1st launch, the subsequent ones are generally not as notable. --Masem (t) 17:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait, leaning toward Support - We should wait until this mission either succeeds or fails, either way, it would make for a great ITN title due to widespread media coverage. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait This mission is going to have a result no matter what. Whether it succeeds or fails, only time can tell. It's better to post the full results instead, whether if its successful or crashes or something. TwistedAxe [contact] 18:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Point of order - If and when the spacecraft lands, it will be considered to have fulfilled the ITN/R criteria for arriving at lunar orbit and beyond. If this is simply not notable despite fulfilling this, we ought to have a conversation about amending this criteria yet again; or if we had come to a consensus, amending the page so that it reflects reality. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:04, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I think it is more that being an ITNR is not a 100% assurance of being posted (outside of quality or timing issues). There are reasonable exceptions when an ITNR is made, which in this case "this is the third time India has reached the moon, its not as unique as the first" would be a valid point. Masem (t) 19:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I can already hear the opposition to Artemis 3. After all, the US landed people on the moon six times before that, and we've got this discussion lined up as precedent. —Cryptic 04:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Tbf, Artemis III will be one of the most momentous events in human history, so it's a little bit different. But yeah, I agree. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  And that's fine, but if it starts to become a regular occurrence (i.e. if as Cryptic says, it's used to challenge the Artemis 3 landing) then we need to reconsider its existence as an WP:ITNR criteria or at least amend it to specify "This generally does not apply to missions repeating similar past flights made as part of a larger programme". Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:24, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Masem - (in all fairness, I am just seeking to understand): What about the part in ITN/R that states Items which are listed on this page are considered to have already satisfied the 'importance' criterion for inclusion on ITN, every time they occur. Seems completely counterintuitive to me to not post because its 'happened before'. Also FWIW as I stated below, this would be India's first successful soft-landing on the moon - not the third. Schwinnspeed (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  There's a difference between assuming that the general ITNR topic meets the significance level so that we don't keep debating why that ITNR topic exists (this was common when we still had the Boat Race on there, the ITNC would question why do we even have that ITNR), and finding that one specific instance of an ITNR is significant, which is the case here. No one is questioning the launch or the arrival of space missions as an ITNR, just this particularly event. Masem (t) 12:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Renominate after landing (i.e., wait) The criteria at ITN/R (as Walt has stated) is to post upon on 'arrival' This criteria reflects several discussions that posed similar concerns about the significance of repeated space missions (ie previous consensus took this into account) Also, for what it's worth, if it lands, it will be the first successful soft-landing of a spacecraft on the lunar surface for India, only the 4th country to do so. Notable in my book. Schwinnspeed (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait If it makes India’s 1st successful landing, it’ll be notable enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait, leaning support when it lands in late August this year. Arguments of DarkSide and Masem are equivalent to saying that Apollo 11 wasn't relevant enough after earlier Apollo missions. I don't think a success is the criteria here and this should be displayed irrespective of the mission outcome.>>> Extorc.talk 18:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  If there was some significant new aspect of this 3rd mission - in comparison to Apollo 11 actually landing on the moon for the first time - then that would be reason to post this one. But as I understand the mission , the goals of this lander is not really as novel as previous missions. Masem (t) 19:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  It has the same goal as the 2nd mission, but the outcome could be different. The 2nd mission didn’t land successfully. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Small launches like this happen weekly or at least monthly, if we start posting them all this whole page would be nothing but spess launches Daikido (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait, lean Support only if it successfully lands. India successfully deploying a lander/rover on the moon is notable, a hypothetical failure like the second mission is not. The Kip (talk) 21:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's an interesting mission profile with a launch into earth orbit and then a process of raising the orbit until the leap to the moon. As this is happening now and is in the news now, we should post it now. The article could use some work but is already quite informative. The item which would be displaced by this is the Bolsonaro ban which is not so informative and is not in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Article in reasonable shape, and a blurb highlights a mission to an area of the moon, the Lunar south pole, that is currently the focus of attention in coming years. Notable, and a significant source of pride for emerging space power India. Posting this now is a plus for the 'pedia: inclusive, of international interest, and timely. Opposes and "wait" !votes are unconvincing. Jusdafax (talk) 09:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until it successfully lands, then it's definitely in the news. Thought to nominate myself or at least get involved if it lands.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:25, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait. I would support if it successfully deploys on the moon. Black Kite (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. It's a notable event that's currently in the news. The article meets basic quality standards (though a few more citations wouldn't hurt). We can update the blurb if something else worth noting occurs. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 13

Portal:Current events/2023 July 13

July 13, 2023 (2023-07-13) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine A Russian drone attack on Kyiv injures at least two civilians and damages infrastructure. (BBC News) Sudan conflict Battle of Geneina The United Nations reports the discovery of a mass grave in the area of Geneina, West Darfur, Sudan, believed to contain at least 87 individuals, including women and children, reportedly killed by the Rapid Support Forces and an affiliated Arab militia. (AP) Somali Civil War Four people are killed in Jubaland, Somalia, after al-Shabaab is confirmed to have captured a military base in the area which had been handed to Somalia by the Kenyan military on June 29. (Xinhua) Arts and culture 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike, 2023 Writers Guild of America strike The members of SAG-AFTRA announce that they will join the writers on a strike following failed negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents After heavy rainfall in Delhi, India, the Yamuna reaches record-high water levels, resulting in flood warnings and evacuations. (Bloomberg via Al-Arabiya) (NDTV) Health and environment Birth control in the United States The Food and Drug Administration approves the first over-the-counter contraceptive pill, the Perrigo-manufactured Opill, broadening access to birth control across the country. (AFP via France 24) International relations Marshall Islands–United States relations Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll, Pacific Proving Grounds The foreign ministry of the Marshall Islands calls for more United States compensation over nuclear weapons testing, including on Bikini Atoll, in an effort to improve bilateral relations. (Reuters) Colombia–Nicaragua relations, Territorial disputes of Nicaragua The International Court of Justice dismisses Nicaragua's bid to extend its maritime territory beyond 200 nautical miles, upholding the allocation of seven Caribbean islands to Colombia in a 2012 ruling. (AFP via RFI) Law and crime Jacob Zuma corruption charges The Constitutional Court of South Africa dismisses former president Jacob Zuma's appeal to legalize his medical parole and ruling he must complete his 15-month prison sentence for contempt of court. (AFP via The Moscow Times) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Guatemalan general election The Guatemalan Public Ministry seizes information related to the Movimiento Semilla party at the offices of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal in Guatemala City. The tribunal announces that it will legally appeal the resolution that ordered the suspension of the party's registration, claiming that the resolution is unconstitutional. (Prensa Libre) (Prensa Libre 2) The Semilla party files an appeal before the Constitutional Court. The Court accepts the appeal, allowing the party to participate in the second round of the election on August 20. However, according to the criteria of jurists, the legal recourse granted is ambiguous. (Prensa Libre) Sports 2024 Summer Olympics, Non-government reactions to the Russian invasion of Ukraine The International Olympic Committee says that athletes from Russia and Belarus will not receive invitations to the Summer Olympic Games in Paris, France, and will only be able to compete as neutral athletes. (The Hill)

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RD: Marilies Flemming

Article: Marilies Flemming (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Presse
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian politician. - Indefensible (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Not yet ready Not sufficiently holistic: big gap in content between her birth in 1933 and 1999, de.wiki article could be used as a baseline. Curbon7 (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Added a few items. - Indefensible (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Marilies Flemming's profile at the Munzinger-Archiv may be useful, if anyone is interested in expanding this wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 11:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) New York City Council veto override

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Article: Eric Adams (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The New York City Council overrode Mayor Eric Adams' veto of legislation to expand housing voucher for homeless families and individuals, marking the first override since the administration of Michael Bloomberg (Post)
News source(s): https://citylimits.org/2023/07/13/nyc-council-overrides-veto-to-expand-rental-vouchers/
Credits:

• Nominated by Voorts (talk · give credit)
• Updated by voorts (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a major political event in NYC and could shape Adams' mayoralty going forward. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose NYC’s a major city, but its internal political affairs are not ITN-worthy. Virtually no impact outside the city itself. The Kip (talk) 23:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  The top ITN right now is: "In the Netherlands, the governing coalition collapses and Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) resigns." Is that not internal political affairs of a country that has virtually no impact outside of the country itself? See also WP:ITNCDONT #2 and the first bullet in ITN arguments to avoid. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC), updated 23:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  The Netherlands is a country, NYC is a city. Different levels. - Indefensible (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  NYC is larger than many countries and its politics are routinely the subject of global attention. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:30, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Just how it works. ITN would turn into a political ticker if every major city had its news posted. This blurb is also a 1-sentence update in the article which does not meet the requirements either. - Indefensible (talk) 23:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not that significant. This is more local news and not ITN worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:23, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed, posted) 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike

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Article: 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, Hollywood actors in SAG-AFTRA join writers in a strike following failed negotiations with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, actors in the SAG-AFTRA trade union go on strike, joining writers in the Writers Guild of America strike.
News source(s): CNBC, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Fine, Walt; it's just a bunch of rich people striking in the USA because they want more money from other rich people. Yes, this is so, but this effectively cripples the entire digital entertainment industry in the USA. Never since 1960 has there been a shutdown of this magnitude. I believe the impact for this is going to be large; even if it's not a disaster in the sense of killing people, it's still very broad and has implications for the entire industry. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Addendum - Though this was previously nominated, at the time it was limited to just the Writers Guild. Despite the article title, we are now talking about a very, very broad strike. An article move is anticipated to 2023 WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes pending the outcome of this discussion. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  I disagree with the framing that its just a bunch of rich people striking. Most writers make a pittance. Most actors do too, they don't all make the salaries that a Tom Cruise or Jennifer Lawrence earn, and have to keep working to pay their bills. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, I was hoping it was clear I was being facetious. This has vast impacts beyond just the big name people. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Since it's often easy to miss intonation in text, I just want to make sure we all know that those lesser known actors need their health care too. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose — If this were a trilateral strike against the AMPTP with directors joining, I would support an ongoing entry, but the DGA has already signed a tentative agreement. The blurb is also incorrect; actors have joined writers in the strike, but have not had a strike of their own until this morning. If you want to link an article, use 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, I've amended the article in the template. I wanted to get the nomination up rather quickly and then fix it later, so it was a bit sloppy to start with. I'm welcome to alt-blurbs or amendments to the main blurb. But note that even with the directors not involved, we are still talking about something that has broad residual impacts on the industry. Other auxiliary employee classes will not be able to work under this environment. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:32, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose this has already been nominated as the Writer's Guild strike, and this seems to have little impact outside the U.S. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  "Please do not ... Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive." - WP:ITNCDONT voorts (talk/contributions) 23:07, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Two separate strikes... Noah^Talk 00:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Unless you've never ever watched an American show or movie in your life, I really don't understand how you think this will have no impact outside the US. 223.233.87.68 (talk) 05:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is the first time the two unions have struck together for 60 years. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:06, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. These two strikes have had an impact on the entertainment industry which in turn does affect businesses and other affairs globally. Also per voorts, first time in 60 years is a significant/not common event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - anyone who likes Hollywood movies is going to be affected by this. I agree that now is the time to post a blurb about it. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:48, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Increasingly large impact on the entertainment industry, and the first time both the WGA and SAG have gone on strike concurrently in over 60 years. The Kip (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Big impact on the entertainment industry and rare event making global headlines. --2601:249:8E00:420:ACB3:7483:9BF:B6A3 (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. I'd say this is a real tipping point in the larger conflict going on here. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Honestly, the combination of this strike and the writer's strike will look to have significant impacts on the entertainment industry in the U.S Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is a major shift--basically shutting down Hollywood, absolutely of global significance. :3 F4U (they/it) 00:32, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Hugely newsworthy, article seems well written given the fluidity of the situation. --19h00s (talk) 00:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I don’t believe we posted the writer’s strike when it started in May. What makes this different? GeicoHen (talk) 01:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  During a writer's strike, one scrub writer can still write a show, while so many actors are that much harder to hire. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment the articles needs to be about the combined strike, and right positioned only as the SAG one. This is absolutely burying the lede. Masem (t) 01:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Only if the directors do join the strike would this be blurbworthy as that trifecta has never happened before TMK. That would have international impact given that, whatever one thinks about, US-made content accounts for a lot of the world's TV and movie viewing. Daniel Case (talk) 01:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Even w/o the directors, these strikes will have a major impact on Hollywood. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:43, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 02:10, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 06:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose meh. Per Daniel Case. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:13, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose. There have been numerous strikes throughout the world in this past year. Why is this one being given pride of place. Doesn't meet the threshold for ITN significance.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  This is the one happening now. It was nominated, it won, it's world famous. The other recent newsworthy ones are all the artillery, missile and tornado type. If another world famous strike pops up, nominate it. It, too, might pass. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Who decides what strikes are famous? Better to focus on impact then fame. Bart Terpstra (talk) 10:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  160,000 actors, 20,000 writers, and all of the staff that work in those scripted industries not working for an indefinite period of time. I'd say that's impact. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  exactly, i agree with you. cheers?

  I just thought the "but it's [more] famous" is a weak argument for WP:N. A more obscure, not famous, but covered by RS and impactful strike should imho make the news too. Bart Terpstra (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with you, fame is not the best kind of argument to use and should certainly not be used as a substitution for impact and consequences when measuring a story's (or a death's) notability. I know we've turned down strikes before that are equally as notable but perhaps didn't have the romanticism accompanying this particular one. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  In my head, "world famous" is pretty much synonymous with what a lot of regulars call "globally covered"; if it weren't for Hollywood's place in the allegorical world as an established symbol of fame, I'd have gone with the regular. Anyway, it's not an argument because I'm not voting, just saying. I'll also just say, perhaps leaning Oppose, that the "impacted" fans aren't nearly as out of luck during this dispute, since these are the recorded arts and nobody's watched everything filmed, taped or digitized over these past hundred years. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support per Blaylockjam10. Aaron Liu (talk) 13:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support per WaltClipper Bart Terpstra (talk) 13:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose - Per @Daniel Case PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support of international importance and widely covered. Secretlondon (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Pull & Post-posting oppose - I'm not seeing this in my diverse newsfeed. It's impact doesn't seem to be significant enough. Pirate of the High Seas (talk) 17:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  "I'm not seeing this in my news feed" is effectively a permutation of WP:IDL. ITN doesn't cater to what one does/doesn't see; otherwise, half the non-western world news stories we post wouldn't get blurbed. The Kip (talk) 17:17, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I'm pretty sure we don't vote "pull" or "post" here unless we're an admin. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting question - would we post about a similar situation in a larger country with a bigger film industry? Bollywood has about double the output of Hollywood. Nfitz (talk) 19:54, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Yes we would. Also note that Hollywood still has a bigger impact than Bollywood though the latter is still quite a big film industry also with international impact. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  As long as somebody nominates it, yes. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:28, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  1. Bollywood may have a higher output, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Hollywood has a far greater global influence at the moment.

  2. We would certainly consider it if it happened and was nominated. The Kip (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support due to the huge number of affected people/industries (the impact is larger than I think many people realize). I also don't foresee this being resolved any time soon, so count this as an early support for ongoing assuming it is still ongoing once it naturally rolls off. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 20:35, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I second the support for ongoing once this rolls off too. There’s lots of information that can update this event once it rolls off, until it’s eventual conclusion. DrewieStewie (talk) 04:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Another Post-posting question. Part of the nomination basis is this is the biggest such strike since 1960. Where's the article for the 1960 strike? Hard to see how this is ITN-worthy, if the last double-header isn't notable. Nfitz (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Just because it doesn't exist yet, doesn't mean it's not notable, right? Bart Terpstra (talk) 00:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  1960 Writers Guild of America strike. It's a stub, and I agree with Bart. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's the WGA strike, not the 1960 actors strike. It certainly is odd that such an allegedly significant event doesn't have an article, given the thousands we have for anyone who walked onto the grass on a 100+ British soccer pitches in 1960. Nfitz (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  The latter are routine articles, they already have a basic template and all get filled out. However, we don't have routine strikes. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:20, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose per Amakuru. Banedon (talk) 01:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Pull & post-posting oppose I don't see how this is even close to being notable for ITN. I mean, sure, it is notable in some aspects, especially for people who really enjoy watching Netflix or such, but no way that this belongs in ITN. Amakuru pointed out a good point too. TwistedAxe [contact] 10:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support I personally don't particularly care about this strike, but it is in the News (it did also feature in the German news media I read), and there was consensus for posting - so let's just let this be. Pulling should just be done in egregious quality cases. Khuft (talk) 10:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support Strike is very much in the news right now. It was already posted since a consensus existed at the time. It reflects badly on us to pull items unless there is a serious quality issue.

Noah^Talk 10:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

It's still all over the British news too. Secretlondon (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting Oppose I can't help thinking this would have been better as an Ongoing item. After all, what is the impact now? And posted in less than SIX HOURS - have we still not gathered that this is a really bad idea except for items that are ITN/R or otherwise obviously going to be posted? Black Kite (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  How can this make more sense as Ongoing rather than as blurb? It used to be the norm that an event is first blurbed and then moves to Ongoing once it drops off, assuming it's still relevant by then. Khuft (talk) 16:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Post-posting oppose per Amakuru. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:43, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support I'm not pulling this. Above editors are citing Amakuru's reasoning for pulling, which is literally an OTHERSTUFF argument. This story is in the news and has a quality article. Let it stay. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, this would be a horribly irresponsible pull. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's not really an OTHERSTUFF argument. This argument is "we generally don't post strikes, what makes this one more important than all the others that have happened"? To which there has yet appeared no answer, as far as I can see. Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  The answer could be as simple as "from now on, post more strikes of major industries". Bart Terpstra (talk) 18:10, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  As the supports repeatedly make a point of saying, it’s important due to the wide-ranging effects on the entertainment industry and the fact it’s the first strike of its kind in sixty years. Virtually anyone that watches TV or movies will in some way be affected here. The rationale is that it’s simply important; arguing that it needs to be proven more important is, as stated above, textbook OTHERSTUFF. The Kip (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Those "other strikes" are "other stuff" we didn't post, and "we shouldn't post this" as a result is an OTHERSTUFF argument, never mind the fact that every nomination here should be considered on its own merits and cannot be compared to an event that wasn't nominated. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  I think you're missing Amakuru's - and my - point. I can't see that we've ever posted strikes before, so why is this one - affecting relatively few people (yes, 180K is relatively few in this context) and which has only just started so its impact is unquantifiable - different? Other than "but famous people"? Black Kite (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't understand why you think it's limited to 180,000 people. Yes, the writers and actors themselves are striking, but it also affects the livelihood of those other personnel who contribute to those sectors in the entertainment industry, as they are now without work and many of them have no recourse. Although it might be WP:CRYSTAL to assume how long this will last, it's also not appropriate to post as an ongoing item, as you have suggested. A labor dispute has two milestones: the beginning of the strike, and the final negotiation of a contract. There are no intermediate steps that would merit this be ongoing. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  If this is the first strike ITN has posted, I'd actually be asking why we hadn't posted any before. A potential UPS strike may cost the U.S. $7 billion in a ten day period. I'd at least consider supporting that, if the strike happens and is nominated here. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:52, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting support These strikes will have a major impact on Hollywood, which will affect anyone who watches shows or films made by Hollywood. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Did not support this originally but at this point think it should just be left up. This will also create precedent for other such events which might diversify coverage in the future. - Indefensible (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting support This should probably stay up mostly due to the fact that Hollywood has global influence and this strike is already affecting ton of productions thus impacting more than hundreds of millions of consumers worldwide rather than just the writers, actors, and companies involved. This put it way above other strikes that we did not post or nominate. Also, I don't think Amakuru's argument should just be dismissed as WP:OTHERSTUFF since this is not an actual policy and only concerns deletion discussions iirc. --StellarHalo (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Now now, don't forget about WP:ONLYESSAY. 😉 Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 00:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  To be clear (God, I hate my catchphrase), when I told Amakuru OTHERSTUFF, it was just in an edit summary. Those mean next to nothing. The main reason was italicized: this one is the one (famous or significant or impactful) that won now. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2023 North India floods

Article: 2023 North India floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In northern India, heavy rainfall causes flooding and landslides which kill at least 100 people. (Post)
News source(s): CBS, CNN, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Satdeep Gill (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit), Schwinnspeed (talk · give credit) and The Kip (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Current weather disaster with significant damages and casualties. - Indefensible (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article is definitely past stub status, and events are notable enough; however, there’s a lot of uncited statements in the article. The Kip (talk) 23:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Can you add some {cn} tags? - Indefensible (talk) 02:59, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Seems most of the article's been cleaned up, but most of the Punjab section is wholly uncited. The Kip (talk) 17:30, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  Some refs added. - Indefensible (talk) 18:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

  I've also gone in and addressed any missing refs, latest info etc. Should be ready for posting now. Thanks to both of you for the substantial clean-up too. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article is good enough (just) and it's certainly a notable event. Schwede66 04:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per Schwede. -- Kicking222 (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The article says that at least 105 deaths have occurred yet does not give any indication where and how these casualties occurred. The "Delhi" section appears somewhat undersourced as well. Black Kite (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  Have cleaned up and provided context to any mention of the deaths. I dont see any unsourced sections under "Delhi" any longer. I believe this should be good to go now Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  That looks much better. Black Kite (talk) 18:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support With over 100 dead and substantial damage across a large swath of India, this is definitely notable and covered broadly in the news for the last week. We've posted similar weather events like Cyclone Cheneso which had a quarter of the death toll (not saying any less significant just citing a similar event as precedent to post) Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is important enough for a blurb & it has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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