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January 19

Portal:Current events/2018 January 19

January 19, 2018 (2018-01-19) (Friday) Arts and culture Pan-Amazon region synod: Pope Francis visits Peru and meets 4,000 members of the indigenous communities from the Amazon rainforest. He states that the people of the Amazon are threatened now more than ever, and questions the conservationist policies that affect the Peruvian rainforest. In Puerto Maldonado, he asks for the indigenous communities to be recognized as partners instead of as minorities. He calls on the Peruvian people to put an end to practices that degrade women, and criticizes the sterilization of indigenous women. (Anadolu Agency) (America) Armed conflicts and attacks Turkish military intervention in Afrin With a cross-border artillery bombardment into the Afrin Canton, Turkey starts its announced military campaign to "destroy" the Syrian Kurdish YPG group. (Reuters) Business and economy Protests against Rodrigo Duterte Journalists in the Philippines protest the government's decision to cancel the license of Rappler. (The Philippine Star), (Channel News Asia) Disasters and accidents Fifteen people are injured and an infant is killed after a car hits a group of pedestrians near Copacabana Beach in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. The police report that the driver had an epileptic seizure. (BBC) The bodies of ten Syrian men are found after a snowstorm on the Lebanon–Syria border. The Lebanese Army says they tried to enter Lebanon illegally. Two presumed people smugglers are arrested. (Daily Star) Law and crime Sudan's National Intelligence and Security Service arrests 7 journalists who were covering this week's economic protests in Khartoum. The charges are unclear. (The New York Times) Outside the Fleury-Mérogis prison, French police clash with prison guards who are striking over the detention conditions in French jails. (Reuters) Politics and elections Politics of China Citing a national "fervor", the Communist Party of China proposes writing the Xi Jinping Thought into the state constitution, after it was already added to the party constitution. (Reuters) Politics of the United States Presenting a new national defense strategy, the United States Secretary of Defense, Jim Mattis, says terrorism is no longer the focus of the national security of the United States. Now it is competition between great powers. (BBC) Politics of the United Kingdom A spokesperson for Prime Minister Theresa May says the government has seen no plans for Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson's idea of building a road bridge across the English Channel between France and the United Kingdom. (CNBC) Political appointments by Donald Trump Carl Higbie, Corporation for National and Community Service Chief of External Affairs, apologizes and resigns from his position with the agency that runs AmeriCorps after racist and anti-Muslim remarks he made in 2013 are reported by CNN. (NPR) Science and technology An Atlas V rocket successfully deployed the fourth SBIRS satellite for the United States Air Force. This launch completes the geosynchronous segment of SBIRS and provides a global missile detection system for the United States. (Spaceflight 101) Twitter announces it is notifying 677,775 people in the U.S. that they had some contact with the Kremlin-linked troll farm, Internet Research Agency, during the 2016 election period. The count of Russian-linked bot accounts is now 50,258, the company having identified an additional 13,512 bot accounts since its November Congressional briefing. (Politico) (Mumbrella)

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[Closed] [Ongoing] Cape Town drought

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Article: 2015-present Cape Town drought (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Time, ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by Notecardforfree (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The Mayor of Cape Town recently announced that the City will run out of water by late April. I updated the article, and I think everything is referenced. Notecardforfree (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Indeed ongoing and escalating apparently. Article seems ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 08:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose unless there's something to indicate that there's any particular significance. While it may be the first time this has happened in Cape Town, water supplies to major cities running low is a fairly routine occurrence; the 2014–17 Brazilian drought and the 2011–17 California drought are probably the ones that will be most familiar to readers, while readers in Australia and the south of England will be wearily familiar with the phrase "hosepipe ban". Besides, this kind of thing generally takes years to resolve as people change their water-use habits, desalination plants and diversionary aqueducts are built, and people wait for the aquifers to refresh. ‑ Iridescent 08:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose ongoing as the odds of incremental updates seem remote; I might support posting the actual shutoff of municipal water services (when/if it happens) as that seems very unusual to me. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support It is unprecedented for a city of 4 million to be within less than 3 months of having to switch off municipal water. I'm not sure what restrictions were in place in Brazil or California, but this is well beyond a hosepipe ban - that has been in place for ages, with a wide range of severe restrictions and residents restricted to 50 litres of water per day. This has been featured in many international news sources including Newsweek, CNN, Forbes, Al Jazeera, BBC, Daily Mail UK, Time Magazine. Zaian (talk) 09:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak Support it's clearly notable, but I am not sure about when to post this. Now? Or in April? Or sometime in between? 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:B98F:4F80:7AF7:9426 (talk) 10:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose making a claim that may or may not come true in three months time is clearly not something that warrants posting now. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose now. ITN is not for speculation - if it happens and/or when some drastic action related to it is taken then that will be the point at which it is suitable for posting here. Thryduulf (talk) 14:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose If they do have to announce a drought I would reconsider, but this is primarily a statement to get citizens and businesses into action to help avoid it, and not an actual event. --Masem (t) 14:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Thryduulf and Masem.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I just want to let everyone know that I am still working on this article. It needs a bit of updating with regards to its political impact and I would like to add a graph as well. I am also planning to get an aerial photograph of one of the largest dams to better illustrate this article. As a resident of Cape Town I can say that this issue is still evolving so I would hold off on publishing it for now. I would wait until the taps run dry (day zero) which should be in April some time. If the taps don't run dry at all then I would be very happy.--Discott (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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[Closed] New Zealand prime minister announces she's pregnant

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Article: Jacinda Ardern (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces she is pregnant, with the baby due in June. (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Nominating this for Schwede66 on the talk page. Banedon (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. World leaders have been pregnant before. 331dot (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose This might have been ITN worthy a couple of centuries ago if we were discussing a queen and possible heir. But this is the 21st century and ITN is not a society page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Wikipedia is not a tabloid magazine. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 02:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

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January 18

Portal:Current events/2018 January 18

January 18, 2018 (2018-01-18) (Thursday) Business and economy The Emirates airline announces an order for up to 36 Airbus A380s. Emirates is already the aircraft's largest operator, with a fleet of over 100. (BBC) Disasters and accidents 2018 Aktobe bus fire A bus carrying Uzbek migrant workers catches fire in Kazakhstan's Aktobe Region, killing 52 people. Five people escape and are treated by rescue workers. (BBC) International relations France–United Kingdom relations French President Emmanuel Macron meets with British Prime Minister Theresa May at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst. (Politico) Law and crime Crime in Serbia Police in Serbia arrest three Australians, one of them Rohan Arnold, a known businessman, for allegedly smuggling 1,280 kilograms (2,820 lb) of cocaine into Sydney in 2016. (Sydney Morning Herald) Science and technology In a world's first, a drone rescues two swimmers off the coast of Lennox Head, New South Wales in Australia by dropping a safety device to them. John Barilaro, the Deputy Premier of New South Wales, praises the rescue as historic. (Channel NewsAsia) (BBC)

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[Ready] RD: Nancy Richler

Article: Nancy Richler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): http://www.cbc.ca/books/nancy-richler-author-of-the-imposter-bride-dead-at-60-1.4493933
Credits:

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 MurielMary (talk) 09:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Ready for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 09:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Please tag them. As I read it, every sentence (occasionally two sentences) has a reference, and it has already been established here at ITN that it's unnecessary for every single sentence to have a citation. MurielMary (talk) 09:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I have changed my !vote rationale. I took a closer look.BabbaQ (talk) 14:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose satisfactory other than the lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Should now to ready to go. MurielMary (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Seems adequate to post. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 18:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

RD: Stansfield Turner

Article: Stansfield Turner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former CIA director, article fairly in good state –Ammarpad (talk) 02:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - several uncited statements and paragraphs. MurielMary (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per above and per unreferenced section on medals and ribbons. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

[Ready] 2018 Aktobe bus fire

Article: 2018 Kazakhstan bus fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bus fire in Aktobe Region, Kazakhstan kills 52 people. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC.
Credits:

• Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Disasters of similar magnitude have been posted before, and the story has been picked up by various news organisations. As far as I can tell, no article on this existed, so I've created a stub here. I hope posting here might attract some editors to bring it to a reasonable standard. LukeSurl ^{t c} 12:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose as stub, and I'm struggling to imagine how much more can be reasonably added in the short term. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose barring the ability to expand this out. This is not an area of the world with great media coverage, so as TRM says, to expand more beyond what's there is unlikely. But I would agree if this can get to a decent size and quality, the incident is of ITN-appropriateness. --Masem (t) 14:07, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
  • It's quite possible to expand with Russian-language sources, for example, as I see a decent coverage there. So pending expansion this is supportable due to sheer death number, comparable with other accidents and attacks we post. Brandmeister^talk 14:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I'll believe it when I see it. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
  • While the article has been updated, I have concern about the use of a non-free image for the article. It's not that it is gruesome (there are likely the bodies still aboard but the are not visible) but it's just from this photo a bus on fire. We normally use free images of the vehicle type in question in such accident articles; barring that, no non-free should be used if the scene is as "normal" for the type of incident. -Masem (t) 15:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I tend to agree. I'm not sure what encyclopedic value this alleged fair use adds, after all there are plenty of images of that type of bus and it doesn't take a great deal of imagination (if one hasn't actually seen a bus fire) to imagine what a bus on fire looks like. If it was a really unusual demise (e.g. it was sliced in half by a helicopter rotor blade) then I could see how it would be fair use and add EV, as it stands it's just a bus on fire. If fair use is extended to this, then we'll be scraping Bestgore.com for multiple "fair use" images of multiple tragedies. I don't think that's the right way ahead, so this image shouldn't be in the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
      • I was surprised when it was added (the infobox is the only major part of the article that I'm not responsible for), though I'm not super-familiar with fair use's boundaries. I've replaced this image with a map, though I won't personally be formally disputing the fair use of the image. If the editor who added the image decides to restore it, I'm not going to revert it back. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 17:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
        • As ITN rarely has to worry about non-free content in the nominated articles (at least, as an issue to contest), we still should be aware this is part of a quality of the article, as NFC is a core content tenet like BLP. We don't want to encourage frivolous use of non-free media. The image would currently fail WP:NFCC#1 (nothing unusual about this accident that a picture of the same type of bus that could be obtained freely could illustrate) and WP:NFCC#8 in that there's nothing documented special about the visual image of the bus on fire. If it image is added back, then this article is not to the quality of ITN. --Masem (t) 17:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
          • I uploaded it under fair use just to be safe bc its a huge piece of news, but I'm pretty sure it's public domain since its from the Kazakhstan government and the extent of use on major commercial newspaper websites, some even without attribution (under the PD-Kazakhstan-exempt tag).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
            • Well sure, if you can prove PD then no worries. Until then, it's not justifiably fair use. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
              • Created a File talk page here. Can someone who knows more about copyright help? I thought it would meet the official document (as it is part of the investigation) parameter and the news parameter, so wan't sure which one it was and din't want to leave uncategorized. I think its better to be too careful than not enough.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment – There are fairly complete stories on BBC and Reuters, and other RS stories may be expected due to death toll. Concur with Brandmeister re significance. However, suggest article be renamed 2018 Kazakhstan bus fire. Sca (talk) 17:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• The AFP have a bit more info. Would add myself but am likely to be offline for the rest of the day. —LukeSurl ^{t c} 18:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• I found a computer and added it in. Practically, the article has everything that's currently in the English-language sources. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 19:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Indeed, and practically, it's still a stub. That's what I mean. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• There was a more expansive piece from RFERL this morning, and I've used this to expand out the article. I think this expands beyond stub-class and posting should be considered now. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 08:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support notable and ready to go. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:B98F:4F80:7AF7:9426 (talk) 12:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak support – The article is pretty thin all right, but due to number of casualties.... (Repeat suggested name change to 2018 Kazakhstan bus fire.) Sca (talk) 15:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Article has been moved to 2018 Kazakhstan bus fire. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 18:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - notability is clear, and the article, while short, is as long as possible. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support-High number of casualties. If it were a crash of this magnitude in a country like France or US, it would by headlines for weeks.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Article has been expanded. Davey2116 (talk) 18:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 19:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Care to explain why? -Zanhe (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support high death toll. Article has been expanded. -Zanhe (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak support from my original oppose. Really good work on the article, creators and editors have listened to the community, it's still a dead end as far as I can tell, nothing fundamental will actually change as a result of this incident, but I acknowledge it's a big death toll and a tragic outcome for a simple bus journey, and was definitely headline news, albeit fleetingly, on even the BBC. Good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

RD: Kashinath (actor)

Article: Kashinath (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IB TIMES, The News Minute
Credits:

• Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is being updated, some ancient tags were already attended to –Ammarpad (talk) 11:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose the prose is mostly unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not even going to look at the article when his photo is a screencap and clearly a copyright infringement. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 19:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

  Well, just tag it, remove it from the article, and then look at the article again! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Lol, so I wonder how you know photo exists, when you can't even look at the article. That aside, now the photo is removed. –Ammarpad (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

RD: Peter Wyngarde

Article: Peter Wyngarde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by MaxDextros (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support Our article details the confusion of sources about the subject's birth date. As this seems to be well done, it's good to get this out there to help in explaining the matter to the world. We know from the case of Jimmy Wales that such dates can be difficult to agree and so it's good to have another detailed example. Andrew D. (talk) 13:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment. In my view, the whole section on "Birth and family background" fails WP:SYNTH. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Reading that, all the accounts of his life prior to where it can be documented (1946) reads really funny, and I agree feels like synthesis from WP here. I see what sources do talk about this period all state he gave different accounts, so it might be better to reduce that part to less conjecturing. --Masem (t) 15:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose not sufficiently referenced, and undue weight placed on the birth and family section. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support looks well referenced and in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose I still see some CN tags, and the "undue weight" issue needs to be resolved before posting.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Note: the "Birth and family background" has been trimmed. Presumably "undue weight" can be resolved by consensus at the Talk page. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

No more CN tags. Please make your case at Talk:Peter Wyngarde is you still think there is WP:UNDUE for the "Birth and family background" section. Otherwise this could be posted. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

January 17

Portal:Current events/2018 January 17

January 17, 2018 (2018-01-17) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Two Americans and two Canadians are abducted by unknown gunmen in Kaduna State, Nigeria. Two police officers are killed after engaging in a firefight with the abductors. (Reuters) Boko Haram insurgency Suspected Boko Haram suicide bombers kill 12 people and injure 48 others, in Maiduguri, Nigeria. (Reuters) Insurgency in the North Caucasus In Nazran, Ingushetia, arsonists set fire to the office of Memorial, a Russian human rights organization. (The Moscow Times) Arts and culture France–United Kingdom relations The Bayeux Tapestry, which depicts the Norman conquest of England, is to be displayed in the United Kingdom for the first time after French President Emmanuel Macron agreed to loan it out for the first time in 950 years. Subject to the outcome of tests, the loan is expected to happen somewhere after 2020. (BBC) Disasters and accidents 2018 Sapphire Aviation Bell UH-1H Iroquois crash Zimbabwean politician Roy Bennett is killed in a helicopter crash near Raton, New Mexico, United States. (BBC) International relations North Korea–South Korea relations The South Korean Ministry of Unification announces that both North Korea and South Korea will march together under the Korean Unification Flag during the opening ceremony of the 2018 Winter Olympics. (CNN) Visa policy of the United States The U.S. Department of Homeland Security discontinues the eligibility of citizens of Belize, Haiti, and Samoa to obtain H-2A and H-2B visas for temporary work. (Reuters) Law and crime Freedom of the press, Media of the Philippines Following the Securities and Exchange Commission of the Philippines' revocation of Rappler's license, the National Bureau of Investigation of the Philippines launches a probe into Rappler. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2017–18 Spanish constitutional crisis The Parliament of Catalonia opens the new legislature. Roger Torrent (ERC) is named Speaker. Three parliamentarians in jail vote through proxies, the five parlementarians in exile in Belgium do not. Carles Puigdemont (PDeCAT, JuntsxCat), through his spokesman, considers it "perfectly plausible" for him to be president remotely. Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy says that he will not restore Catalonia's autonomous powers if the regional parliament permits Puigdemont to lead the government from exile. (BBC) Freedom of the press, Fake News Awards Donald Trump tweets a link to the Republican National Committee's "Fake News Awards", won by ten stories and tweets that he considers misreported. The link also honors ten ways the President "has been getting results" thus far. (Politico)

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January 16

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January 16, 2018 (2018-01-16) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Aftermath of the Caracas helicopter incident The Venezuelan government confirms that Óscar Pérez, the rogue pilot responsible for the Caracas helicopter incident in June 2017, was killed in a firefight with the Venezuelan Army yesterday. Two police officers and seven people from Pérez's group were killed, and six members of Pérez's group were arrested. (CNN) (teleSUR) Arts and culture Animal welfare and rights in Europe The European Parliament approves a call to ban electric pulse fishing, seen by some as cruel. (U.S. News & World Report) The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church) names Russell M. Nelson as the 17th President of the Church. (NPR) Business and economy The Dow Jones Industrial Average reaches 26,000 points for the first time, after surpassing the 25,000-mark on January 4. (Chicago Tribune) In a strategy claimed as "towards healthier products", Nestlé sells its United States confectionery business, number 4 on the market, to Ferrero SpA for $2.8 billion. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A Colombian Army Mi-17 helicopter crashes near Segovia, Antioquia, in northern Colombia, killing at least ten people. (Reuters) International relations Palestine–United States relations The United States will withhold $65 million for Palestinian aid paid via the United Nations Relief and Welfare Agency stating that UNRWA needs to make unspecified reforms. The U.S. says it will provide $60 million, 48 percent of the regular payment. (Reuters) Law and crime Terrorism in Kosovo Oliver Ivanović, the head politician of the Kosovo Serb party Freedom, Democracy, Justice, is killed outside his office in North Mitrovica in a drive-by shooting. Aleksandar Vučić, the President of Serbia says his government treats this as an act of terrorism. (BBC) Terrorism in Pakistan Over 1,800 muslim clerics in Pakistan issue a fatwa aimed at prohibiting the use of suicide bombing, declaring it haram. (Sputnik). Politics and elections U.S. Special Counsel investigation The New York Times reports that Special Counsel Robert Mueller subpoenaed Steve Bannon last week to testify before a grand jury. The House Intelligence Committee issues a second subpoena, via powers seldomly used by Congress, following Bannon's testimony today that, while he was willing to answer questions, the White House instructed him not to answer questions related to his White House tenure. (CNN) (NBC News) (The New York Times) Science and technology Climate of Russia Temperatures reach −67 °C (−89 °F) in Russia's Yakutia region, four degrees shy of the record low of −71 °C (−96 °F) recorded in 2013 in Yakutia's village of Oymyakon. (Channel NewsAsia)

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[Ready] RD: Bill Bain

Article: Bill Bain (consultant) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Boston Globe
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - article has not been updated since his death to put activities into the past tense. MurielMary (talk) 08:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• @MurielMary:: Fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  Would you be able to say why? Did you review the article? Are there elements you could suggest need improvement? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  not notable Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  Did you read the notes? the nomination of any individual human, animal or other biological organism with a standalone Wikipedia article whose recent death is in the news is presumed to be important enough to post. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

RD: Tyler Hilinski

Article: Tyler Hilinski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune, LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: It's a new article. I'll expand it some more today. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Question - keep in mind that NSPORTS does not consider college players notable by default, and if he committed suicide which is the only reason elevating this to notability, that would possibly fail BLPCRIME. --Masem (t) 14:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Masem: I think I've found enough sources that predate his death to clear the WP:GNG bar. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm with Masem. Those sources seem to fall under WP:NCOLLATH's mention of "game summaries, or other WP:ROUTINE coverage." GCG (talk) 16:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I strongly disagree that those are routine coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The first of those two links looks like a local news human interest piece that doesn't do anything to establish notability. The second is better, but if that's the only thing you've got that isn't routine (I haven't looked at any other sources in the article) then I'm not sure I wouldn't support an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, this isn't the forum to discuss notability. If someone wants to take this to AfD, then we can do that, and this nom will be stale here. If nobody does that, we should be judging it here based on ITN/c merits. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The article is new for the purposes of RD, we need to evaluate if it is appropriate. If the article had existed well before this, I'd accept we had this article and presumed it was considered notable. But given the article was created on the news of his apparent suicide, which is something BLPCRIME strongly urges against, we should be evaluating if this is really an appropriate stand-alone topic. --Masem (t) 18:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. Notability not established.--Comrade Comrade (talk) 18:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Nothing wrong with the article (in fact far better than the usual stuff that appears in situations like this), but the fact that it was only created on the subject's death suggests that he may not have been particularly notable. The question we need to ask is - if he'd been run over by a bus, would we have an article? One could argue on both BLPCRIME and BLP1E grounds on this one. As regards the coverage, the second link provided above is local coverage of the Cougars (see the top of the page). On that basis - not that I would - I could create articles on half a dozen footballers for my local team that have never played a professional game. Black Kite (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Just a note that per ITN guidelines, opposes based on notability will likely be ignored. The appropriate way to dispute notability is to nominate for AFD. Mamyles (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Opposes on notability grounds are fine if it's a brand new article and therefore hasn't had a chance to be checked for such. That's simple logic. But regardless, my oppose is not "he's not notable", but "I'm really not sure if he is notable, is there anything that could change my mind on this?" rather than rushing straight off to AFD. Black Kite (talk) 21:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Exactly - that's why mine is not an outright oppose, just that on the current basis of "played high-school and some college with not an amazing record, and then appeared to committed suicide" is generally non-notable for WP, but that could be proven out otherwise. --Masem (t) 22:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Comment ITN is not a substitute for AFD. If you think the subject fails WP:N (or one of it's many sub-guidelines) take it to WP:AFD where it belongs. Being considered for AfD will disqualify the item from ITN and you'll have done your civic duty. The requirements for RD are clear, and opposes for "notability" ought to be ignored by any admin considering the item. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @CosmicAdventure: The point is that we are not sure if the subject fails WP:N, nominations at AFD where the nominator isn't sure tend to be frowned upon, and I (and presumably we) don't want to shut down the nomination if they are notable. Thryduulf (talk) 02:41, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
    • @Thryduulf: We finally killed "notability" discussions for RD, replacing them with "well, I'm not sure if it'll pass an AFD or not so I'll just raise doubts here" is the same thing. This nomination has been shut down, with two opposes for notability. Either an article fails WP:N or it doesn't, and WP:AFD is the place to find out. I belive you're all acting in good faith, but we simply cannot let RD discussions become AFD-lite. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 12:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
      • I completely respect the point here, but I have a different reading. The RFC would seem to suggest there is no longer a difference between ITN-level notability and GNG; if it's good enough for WP, it's good enough for ITN (RDs, that is). I don't believe that suggests we cannot make the GNG argument here. The ITN project adheres closer to WP guidelines than WP as a whole, because the size is more manageable. If an article does not meet GNG, it should not be posted to MP and it should be AFDed, but requiring the AFD is like trying to apply ITN standards to the whole site. AFDs are more work and they opening the nominator to criticism. The effect is that most who don't believe there is notability will just abstain altogether, which is exactly what has happened here: note zero support despite the article technically meeting the requirements. GCG (talk) 14:05, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
      • RD is based on the assumption that there was an existing article for sometime, thus notability was presumed. This article was created because of the death, so that RD assumption is not applicable. We can evaluate the notability of the topic here. --Masem (t) 14:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:01, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  Would you be able to say why? Did you review the article? Are there elements you could suggest need improvement? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  hate American football Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  Wow, okay, so that stands out and we can all remember it next time you make such a !vote! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Jo Jo White

Article: Jo Jo White (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - looks good to go. Stormy clouds (talk) 06:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support - RD ready.BabbaQ (talk) 12:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Marking Ready - Agree it is all set of posting. --Masem (t) 14:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. There were two uncited things I spotted, I've fixed one of them and the other is already tagged but it's not contentious and should be easy to source for someone who knows the topic so I didn't think it should stand in the way of posting. Thryduulf (talk) 17:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

New Mormon head

Article: Russell M. Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russell M. Nelson becomes President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek, NPR, TIME
Credits:

• Nominated by Fuebaey (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ChristensenMJ (talk · give credit) and Jgstokes (talk · give credit)

 Fuebaey (talk) 22:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - a minor branch of Christianity changes leadership. Does not bear any major significance to the greater world and is not ITN-worthy. I would read his novel, though. Stormy clouds (talk) 06:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

You can hardly describe the Mormons as 'minor'. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Compared to the three major denominations - Catholicism, Protestantism and Orthodox Christianity - yes, they are minor. Brandmeister^talk 10:32, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Just because it's minor in christianity doesn't mean it isn't without significance. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support Weak oppose We did post the new head of the similarly-sized Church of England (Nov '12), so we should tread carefully here to avoid BIAS. This is a sect that has been subject to continual persecution (see vote #1 in this nom) since its inception. I think it would be appropriate to post the head of any church with over 10 MM adherents (subject to ITN and quality, of course). GCG (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

On second look, there's a bit too much uncited to post right now. Two CN tags, a few more graphs with no refs, and the positions section only cite 4 of 12 items. GCG (talk) 13:57, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• SupportWeak oppose large enough denomination with 15 millionish adherents. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Same as GreatCaesarGhost, reasonably well cited but missing citations in beginning two paragraphs of LDS church service and professional leadership. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I think there are a couple of sentences still without reference, but high enough. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support large enough denomination with 15 millionish adherents indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per Galobtter.--Comrade Comrade (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality I'm neutral on this (I see both sides), but irrespective of that, the artilce is missing sources in several places particularly on positions and awards at the end. --Masem (t) 14:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Still neutral on this, but I agree the sourcing is no longer holding this up. --Masem (t) 22:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
    • You don't think 13 [citation needed] tags on a BLP should stop it being posted?? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I have removed a CN tag and updated the announcement of the presidency (the article still stated that the conference would take place on Tuesday). I will try to find sources for the pending CNs. –FlyingAce^✈hello 14:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I have added sources for church service and positions – no CN tags remain as far as I can see. @Galobtter, GreatCaesarsGhost, and Masem: would you mind checking if there is anything unsourced that I may have missed? –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:41, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that flips the script enough by my standards. Thanks for your work. GCG (talk) 16:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. I have no doubts about the notability of this event. There are a handful of quality issues, but nothing that cannot be fixed with 5-15 minutes of work, and enough editors seem interested that I expect most of these will be cleared up within hours. Inatan (talk) 14:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - setting the bar at 15 million adherents being a sufficient number to post could set a poor precedent, given the fractured nature of just one religious sect. It would be an uphill struggle to argue against posting the mayor of New York on that basis, something which was snow-closed when it last arose. To grant religious stewardship greater significance over political and civic one is a clear invocation of bias and undue weight, and should be avoided. Football teams are also of significance to many, and we don't post managerial changes for them. Nelson has not become a head of state, and should not be treated as one. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The problem with this is we have and will continue to post the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Pope, of course, has a much larger flock, but AofC will get posted because of a strong pro-UK contingent amongst our editors. One voter may abstain from AofC while opposing this, or abstain from this while supporting AofC and claim innocence of bias. But when WP speaks with one voice, it is saying "mainstream church good, cult of freaks bad." 159.53.174.140 (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support this is one of the more notable christian denominations. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:48EB:505A:CD60:28C7 (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose as this affects 15 million people and is of little to (more likely) no significance outside of that sect. This represents 1/5 of one percent of the population. Likely of no significance outside of The Americas where Mormonism hasn't widely spread. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 18:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stormy Clouds & Floydian. I searched for "Russell" on Google News and all but one of the first page dealt with other Russells. Banedon (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC) Switch to Neutral. Banedon (talk) 00:17, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Floydian.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per GCG. Davey2116 (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Not a large enough impact to the English speaking world... seems more like an advertisement for their religion than anything if we posted this. I can't think of how this is possibly news worthy enough for our Main Page when it isn't on any newspaper's front page. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:36, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Mormonism is the fastest growing Christian denomination. Of the 15.9 mormons, 8.3 million live outside of the U.S. For comparison, the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria has similar size. When its last leader, Pope Tawadros II of Alexandria, was selected in 2012, that fact was posted to ITN. I think the mormons deserve the same. Nsk92 (talk) 19:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Obvious oppose the quality of the article is insufficient, particularly as a BLP, to go anywhere near the main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Reluctant Oppose Setting aside the issue of quality, religious news is woefully underrepresented on ITN. But even when limited to Christianity (and it is a hot topic of debate whether Mormonism is Christian) their numbers are pretty low. Right now pretty much the only transition in religious leadership that is all but certain to be posted is the papacy (which is ITNR). That needs to change. But a smallish confession of 15 million is not the right place to begin correcting this bias. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Floydian.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support ITN currently announces the result of an election in Northern Cyprus and that only has a population of about 300K. 15 million is larger than most of the countries in the world so saying that this is of no account is to elevate secular politics above spiritual matters and that's not NPOV. But, of course, people are going to read this article in large numbers regardless of what is said and done here. It's Wikipedia and its main page that will look bad -- stale, out of touch and low quality. Andrew D. (talk) 20:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• The article is appalling, so posting it will make Wikipedia look bad - "low quality". Out of touch? Hardly. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: - *Honest question – how is it "appalling"? I understand there was an unsourced section that was missed earlier, but it has been fixed now. –FlyingAce^✈hello 20:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, when I took a quick look it was grossly under-referenced. Now I've taken a detailed look, it's grossly under-referenced. A BLP with 13 [citation needed] tags is unsuitable for main page inclusion. Still, it doesn't look like we'll have long to wait before we see another near-identical nomination... let's get it better next time perhaps. Plus I'm not sure why we'd consider posting the head of a tiny sect, Pope, Archbishop of Canterbury, Dalai Lama, yes, head of this organisation??? Nope. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Actually, changing to strong oppose. I hadn't realised, but this appears to be more cult than religion, with things like "Mormons also believe that the Garden of Eden was in what is now known as Missouri, and that when Jesus returns he will go there to create the New Jerusalem" and previous "head of religion" Brigham Young opposing black priests, and the "modern" website saying "blacks descended from the same lineage as the biblical Cain, who slew his brother Abel, [and] God’s ‘curse’ on Cain was the mark of a dark skin". What? I'd support the next top Jedi or the next top Scientologist over this. I guess at least they're bonkers, but honestly bonkers. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

They're a little prominent in U.S. history and the non-coastal parts of the West U.S. even today though. The state that last had the Olympics is 60% them (2/3rds practising). Even Manhattan, New York has a Temple. They're pretty prominent for their numbers (though systemic bias would suggest posting all other religious heads of ≥15 million if this is posted (how many are there?)). They're also by far the biggest group that believes Native Americans are Jews. And New Jerusalem is supposed to be 1,500 miles tall, wide and long and you can visit the holiest hectare next to the River Boulevard bus stop sign @ 39.091°N 94.428°W near Kansas. On a c. 1 hectare city block in Independence holiest city in the world for millions of Americans except possibly Jerusalem or Salt Lake City. I think they also believe the Voyager 1 spacecraft will break through a glass-like shell between the God of this solar system and the next one if it gets far enough. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

And one of them almost became President. Kind of sobering in retrospect. 107.77.217.40 (talk) 01:01, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

what. the. hell. Gents, the largest sect on Earth routinely consume the literal body and blood of their messiah. Many belief systems may indeed be far-fetched when compared to other religions, but it is not the position of Wikipedia to make any claims against a belief system or to editorialize such. Down that way lies ruin. GCG (talk) 01:48, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I quite agree that the "quality" of the belief system held by members of LDS is no good reason to allow or deny posting this news item. Indeed, it can only be beneficial if more people come to realize what this organization believes in. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• In addition to the quality issues, your argument is not great. From where I am sitting, the numbers are not too large. The proposed target is not going to get near the Report, so the volume argument is not supported at all. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Russell M. Nelson's views are beating every ITN blurb topic except Carillion. Some of those topics, such as 2017–18 Ashes series, are getting almost no readers. See the stats. Andrew D. (talk) 11:47, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for that graph. Not only does it demonstrate that this "notable" sect is somehow less interesting than "Carillion" (really??), it also demonstrates that it's rapidly becoming stale news, and it also demonstrates that the boat was somewhat missed when traffic to this individual's page peaked a few weeks ago. Highly informative. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• It is usually the case that ITN lags behind the peaks in readership. That's because ITN/C often takes time to discuss items in the the news and this naturally introduces a delay. Our readers mostly don't care what's happening at ITN/C -- they just see that something is in the news and go straight to the topic. ITN is mostly just for the record and to keep the main page looking fresh. It's not working well because of this slowness. Most other sections on the main page are updated every day but ITN is bizarrely the slowest and least timely section because of these discussions. Andrew D. (talk) 12:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, what the graph demonstrated is that it is, in fact, now pointless to post this story as it's really of little interest to anyone. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• Another day has passed and ITN still has exactly the same set of blurbs. Most of them are staler than this topic and have less readership. This isn't quality; it's awful. Fortunately most our readership doesn't go through ITN. For example, Peter Wyngarde is mired in pettifogging objections here but was read by about 100K people yesterday regardless. ITN should be shut down and replaced by Top read, as has been done in the Wikipedia App. Such stats would give a better feel for what's actually happening. Andrew D. (talk) 13:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support The article is not that bad of sourcing for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Too many {{citation needed}}s at the moment to post. However notability wise I narrowly come down on the "yes" side. I think I'd be happy to post changes in the top person in other, similar and larger religious groups. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 22:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Please note there are now citations for all the cn tags. Bahooka (talk) 23:33, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Article has been improved and now everything has a citation. Elevations of religious figures of similar stature (Archbishop of Canterbury Welby, Coptic Pope Tawadros, etc.) have been posted before. --Tocino 07:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't think these points need more discussion. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Funny, I wouldn't compare the election of this man to be on a historical par with the selection of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Mind you, I suppose if your sect or cult or whatever is only so old, you don't have any history to look back on and compare for historical significance. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC) Funny, I would have never guessed you'd prefer an Anglo-centric nom. First you bury this in CNs, then use those tags as a rationale for opposing. The refs get cleaned up, so you change your tactic to maligning Mormon beliefs. Then its old news. Then its low page views. Twice you called this religion with half a million adherents on each continent a "cult." I think we know where you stand on this. GCG (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC) No, I think you'll find every CN was necessary, unless you don't wish to adhere to WP:BLP. There's no tactic change, I made the comment relating to the absurd beliefs and teachings before the CNs were resolved. The page views were a direct response to another editor today. People have questioned whether or not Mormonism (which says Jesus will return to Missouri when he finally returns) is a cult for decades. Which "anglo-centric nom" did I "prefer"? I'm really excited to hear the response. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC) Personal opinion of doctrine isn't really relevant to determining if the article is notable enough for ITN. I recommend not discussing it here. Thanks, Bahooka (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2018 (UTC) No, that's a strange point of view. If someone thinks that this group are simply a strange sect then clearly that has an impact on whether or not they believe the selection of their new head of said strange sect should be on the main page of Wikipedia. I recommend it be openly discussed, and that we don't try to close down active debates, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 18 January 2018 (UTC) Reminder to Ramblingman: One might argue whether this article should be posted on the mainpage or not. But one can (and is expected!) do so without being offensive. So maybe stop your childish behavior, and start being constructive. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:A998:8BB1:5285:F80C (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2018 (UTC) I'm not sure what part of any of my responses you would consider "offensive" or "childish". Thanks to the world in which I live, I am able to provide personal comments on how notable this individual is and how notable his organisation is, and how his organisation presents itself, entirely based on evidence from this individual and his organisation's website etc. I don't follow how that would not be constructive. Thanks!! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2018 (UTC) Oh please, don't play stupid. You know exactly what you are doing. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:A998:8BB1:5285:F80C (talk) 22:19, 18 January 2018 (UTC) I don't understand you at all, other than you are apparently attempting to stop my right of freedom of speech. Please stop attempting to do that as it's grossly offensive and disruptive. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC) 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:A998:8BB1:5285:F80C (talk) has made few or no other edits outside of this specific dialogue and discussion. Note: The Rambling Man has been blocked multiple times and is under Arbcom sanctions for the same behavior he displays above. Disgraceful. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:B98F:4F80:7AF7:9426 (talk) 10:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC) No, you are telling me what I can and cannot say about this sect. That is an obstruction of my freedom of speech. That is disgraceful. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose, not because of the size of the church, which I view as sufficiently large, but because the structure of the faith means that the president has very limited power to effect change. He is not a pope. Abductive (reasoning) 21:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Significant change in LDS Church, which can be considered high profile because of certain adherents (Mitt Romney comes to mind) and the popularity of The Book of Mormon (musical), regardless of membership numbers. Bahooka (talk) 17:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

If the popularity of musicals is a viable rationale for posting, we may make ITN into a news ticker for items relating to the Founding Fathers. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

That was just an example of why the church may have a higher profile and interest by readers that extends beyond just the 15-16 million members. Bahooka (talk) 17:21, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Why is the "change" significant? What will be different under this "leader"? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Excellent rationale. You truly swayed me. Comrade Comrade (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

*Support per Galobtter. - We can't all be this insightful, to be fair. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Double oppose per "this isn't the sect leader you're looking for", a tiny bit of research shows that literally hundreds of thousands of individuals in the United Kingdom alone have registered as Jedis. This would make the Church of Jedi larger than Mormons quite easily, and actually many of the beliefs of Jedis seem easier to swallow. So let's accept that we shouldn't be posting new leaders of sects full stop. Unless Yoda gets a look-in. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Note: Above editor voted already above. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:B98F:4F80:7AF7:9426 (talk) 21:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

But it is time for the Jedi to die... Stormy clouds (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

RD: Oliver Ivanović

Article: Oliver Ivanović (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by PootisHeavy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable figure within Kosovo who was assassinated. Looks well sourced in most sections, but some claims need sourced. --PootisHeavy (talk) 20:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Weak oppose 2008-2012 sub section completely not referenced. Four CN tags. Rest looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• oppose, still a few citations needed. The claim that "His maternal heritage is Montenegrin" absolutely requires sourcing or removal before posting. Thryduulf (talk) 17:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

January 15

Portal:Current events/2018 January 15

January 15, 2018 (2018-01-15) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iraqi insurgency (2017–present), January 2018 Baghdad bombings A double suicide bombing kills at least 35 people and injures over 90 in Baghdad, Iraq. (BBC) India–Pakistan military confrontation (2016–present) Four Pakistani soldiers are killed in shelling by the Indian Army across the disputed Kashmir frontier. (Reuters) Syrian Civil War Turkey threatens to "strangle" the United States-backed Syrian Border Security Force "before it's even born", while Syria vows to crush it and expel American military personnel from the country. Russia called the plans "a plot to dismember Syria". (Reuters) Aftermath of the Caracas helicopter incident Two police officers and several gunmen are killed near Caracas in an operation to capture Óscar Pérez, the rogue pilot responsible for the Caracas helicopter incident on June 27, 2017, according to the Venezuelan government. Five people have also been arrested. (BBC) Arts and culture Weinstein effect, #MeToo American actress Eliza Dushku says she was sexually assaulted by a stuntman when she was 12 years old. (The Guardian) Business and economy After talks between the company, its lenders, and the United Kingdom's government fail to reach a deal, British multinational facilities management and construction services company Carillion fails and is liquidated, threatening thousands of jobs. Carillion is currently involved in projects such as the high-speed rail in the United Kingdom, including the High Speed 2 rail line. (BBC) List of largest rough diamonds A 910 ct "D colour Type II A" diamond is dug up in the Letseng diamond mine, Lesotho. (MiningMX) Disasters and accidents The mezzanine overlooking the main lobby of the Indonesia Stock Exchange in Jakarta, Indonesia, collapses, injuring at least 70 people. The Indonesian National Police ruled out terrorism as the cause. (The Australian), (Daily Express) The Mayon volcano begins to erupt in the Philippines. (CNN) Chirajara bridge collapse A partially completed bridge in Cundinamarca, Colombia, collapses, killing at least 10 workers. (Reuters) Sanchi oil tanker collision An oil tanker sinks in the East China Sea after burning for a week, causing a major spill. (Gizmodo) International relations 2017–18 North Korea crisis, Korean War A meeting of senior officials from countries that backed South Korea in the Korean War begins today in Vancouver which will look at ways to better implement sanctions to push North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons. China and Russia, which backed the North in the war but have since agreed to U.N. sanctions on Pyongyang, will not be attending the meeting. (Reuters) Israel–Palestine relations Nabil Shaath, the foreign affairs adviser of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, says that the Palestinian Central Council freezes its recognition of the state of Israel until Israel recognizes Palestine as a state. Palestine will freeze the Oslo accords. (Gulf News) Law and crime Aftermath of the 2013 Lahad Datu standoff Malaysia upholds death sentences for nine Filipino Tausūgs over 2013 incursion in Sabah by a faction of claimant to the Sultanate of Sulu throne. (Reuters) A knife fight between students breaks out in a school in Perm, Russia. Twelve injured are reported, with three of them in serious condition. (BBC) Two people are arrested in Perris, California, after 13 people aged between 2 and 29 years old are found being held captive at their house, including some "shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks". They are all believed to be siblings. (BBC) Chinese espionage in the United States Jerry Chun Shing Lee, a former U.S. Central Intelligence Agency officer, is arrested at New York's Kennedy International Airport and held without bail by the Brooklyn federal court. He faces charges that, after he left his job, he kept notebooks filled with classified information about undercover agents and assets which he allegedly used to help China identify informants and dismantle a U.S. spying network. (Reuters) (The New York Times) (The Washington Post) Politics and elections Politics of Egypt The nephew of assassinated Egyptian president Mohamed Anwar al-Sadat announces that he will not run in March’s presidential election, blaming an environment of fear surrounding the vote. (The Guardian) Politics of Romania Romanian Prime Minister Mihai Tudose resigns after losing the support of the Social Democratic Party. (Reuters) Rohingya persecution in Myanmar Win Myat Aye, Myanmar's minister of social welfare, relief and resettlement, announced that his country would begin repatriating Rohingya refugees in Bangladesh beginning on January 23, 2018. Burmese officials also promised that a newly built camp for repatriated refugees would also be finished by that date. (The Washington Post) (ABC News) Partition and secession in California A group of Californians criticize their state government and declare their desire to form a new U.S. state called New California. (U.S. News & World Report) Politics of the United States Nine out of the twelve members of the U.S. National Park Service's advisory board resign out of protest over their treatment by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke. (The Washington Post), (NPR)

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RD: Óscar Pérez

Article: Óscar Pérez (policeman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Perpetrator of the 2017 Caracas helicopter attack. Article appears reasonably sourced. LukeSurl ^{t c} 11:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - RD ready, but just. The article could benefit from a few more references.BabbaQ (talk) 12:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support but more references wouldn't go amiss - there are some long paragraphs with only a single reference. Thryduulf (talk) 17:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 21:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: John Spellman

Article: John Spellman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Seattle Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fixed the article and is now well sourced. Article has been updated. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support looks good. 1779Days (talk) 23:34, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Dolores O'Riordan

Article: Dolores O'Riordan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by GrossesWasser (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Necessary nomination and the article seems okay - except for the discography. If we can get that referenced, this should be ready. GrossesWasser (talk) 17:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC) (talk) 11:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs source work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I've worked on it, only two CN tags remain. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 20:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Great work! Support from me now. No more glaring issues should be g2g. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Certainly, because of her prominence, the name should be listed under recent deaths on the front page. Trackinfo (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • ​Er, that's not how it works. Either the article is high quality and it gets posted, or it isn't and it doesn't. "Prominence" has nothing to do with it. ‑ Iridescent 19:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
    • That is another ridiculous Wikipedia policy. Timeliness (reporting a Recent Death on the front page) is important here. Withholding the news based on article quality bases the posting on an arbitrary decision by a few bureaucrats. Articles for anybody achieving WP:N are always improved upon following their deaths. It is probably the biggest and best period of time when an article is improved. Sources abound as obituaries are written (and unfortunately copied). Posting the news on the home page attracts editors to the article, incites knowledgeable people to write obituaries and articles that become better sources. THAT is how improvement happens. Expecting it to improve by osmosis before you get around to announcing a death to the world information system is backward logic and counter productive. Trackinfo (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
      • @Trackinfo: Wikipedia is not a newspaper. We are an encyclopedia. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
        • Right, that's why the current news on the mainpage are a mudslide, a ship collissions, a train crash and cricket (!). Very encyclopedic. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:F4F1:9816:F121:9BEC (talk) 20:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
          • Well said by the IP. We are on a page talking about the "In the news" section. That excuse does not fly here. Simply put, whoever controls this page is using their position of authority to control content by means other than news judgement. IF that is by wikipedia policy, then the policy and possibly the people need to be replaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trackinfo (talk • contribs) 20:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
            • Please read Wikipedia:In_the_news. We strive for quality over quantity. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
              • The article is of more than sufficient quality. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 20:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
                • We need a sufficient quality when it comes to sourcing, writing (length), and image use to be representative of what we expect for good quality articles - it doesn't need to be perfect but we can't have major gaps. The point of ITN is to highlight articles that are good shape that happen to be in the news, avoiding any necessary systematic biases created by the media, as to draw readers that may be interested in the topic to help edit the article. But to make sure that stage is set well, we know new editors copy-cat what is on a page, and thus we look to make sure the quality is minimally representative of what we want articles to end up being. --Masem (t) 21:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Needs work, if no-one else has sorted it beforehand I'll do it when I get home, around 23:00 UTC. I hope 2018 isn't going the way of 2016, music-wise. Black Kite (talk) 19:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Blurb obviously. Big news, unexpected. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:F4F1:9816:F121:9BEC (talk) 20:07, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • No, not "obviously". – Muboshgu (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support RD, oppose blurb per Trackinfo. She was a giant. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I've also added a ton of citations, removing most cn tags. Only two that I couldn't find briefly Googling remain. I think it's good to go. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 20:52, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Very clearly notable. 2600:387:A:7:0:0:0:96 (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support on improvements (but oppose blurb) Judging the history, Maineiac4434 did a good job on the prose, but the "Other Appearances" section is still broadly unsourced and needs to be fixed; that plus a couple CN's stand out. Oppose blurb as while young-ish, this is not creating a shock-and-awe type reaction as when Prince, Bowie, or Robin Williams died. --Masem (t) 21:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• The article is getting fixed nicely, just some sections remain. And I've tagged the one about Pope Benedict in 2001, as this is surely wrong. --Tone 21:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I fixed the Benedict one. Can only find evidence of her meeting JP2 twice in the early 2000s, and performing once for Francis in 2013. I can't find evidence that she even met Benedict, let alone performed for him. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
    • OK, so the only thing left uncited is the sentence about her having a "myriad" of hairdos. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
      • Which is sourced by the same source as the rest of that paragraph. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 22:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support article has been cleaned up, last cn was just resolved. — xaosflux ^Talk 22:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support; I guess she couldn't linger. Daniel Case (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support what a shame, a sad loss. Article looks good. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posting. Nice work with the article, everyone! --Tone 22:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Well done everyone - just got home and thought I'd have to sort this one, it's been done. Great work. Black Kite (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, great job to those who improved this article. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:26, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Note: as can be seen by this pageview chart of the current RD's on the main page - this article was viewed by orders of magnitude more than the others, easily showing the importance of quickly bringing articles up to minimum presentation status when they are in the news. Many news outlets were found copy-pasting our article in to their websites, etc - many prior to cleanups. If it wasn't for this INTC nominationwe would have been in much worse shape. Thank you to all the editors that assisted! — xaosflux ^Talk 00:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Rappler

Article: Rappler (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Philippine government decides to cancel the license of Rappler. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The decision by the government of Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte to end the operating license of Rappler is seen by journalists as a major blow to free speech since the end of the Ferdinand Marcos dictatorship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte revokes the media license of the news site Rappler forcing it to shut down.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The decision by the government of Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte to end the operating license of Rappler is seen by observers as a blow to free speech.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ The decision by the Philippine government to end the operating license of Rappler is seen by observers as a blow to free speech.
News source(s): The New York Times, al-Jazeera, BBC, BuzzFeed,

The Philippine Star, Channel News Asia
Credits:

• Nominated by Shhhhwwww!! (talk · give credit)

 Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• What seems significant is “The S.E.C.’s kill order revoking Rappler’s license to operate is the first of its kind in history — both for the commission and for Philippine media,” the note said. and it being called an attack on press freedom. However the article isn't even updated.. Didn't see the update; the issue seems complicated, unsure of newsworthiness. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Soft support maybe with an alternative blurb talking about how this is unprecedented in history? MAINEiac4434 (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support blurb III per nom. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 18:49, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - While this might be unprecedented in other countries, Duterte's reign in the Philippines has already established itself in the past couple years of being oppressive and dictatorial. It is not especially surprising, therefore, that he would then move to close down aspects of the media that may be critical against him. Comrade Comrade (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support on notability Just because it's not surprising doesn't mean it's not news. We post sports results after all. But the article paints a weaker picture than RS do (e.g. the NYT article cited. GCG (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• The bolded article doesn't mention Duterte, doesn't mention free speech reactions, and doesn't give any indication on how important or trafficked the news site is. Stephen 03:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose not headlining any major news sites I visit. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - no longer in the news, and therefore fails the most important criteria of the ITN process. Stormy clouds (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose The article says "Despite the certificate revocation, SEC stated that Rappler can still operate since their decision isn't final", so I'm wondering what the big deal is.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

[Removed] Remove ongoing: Iranian protests

Article: 2017–18 Iranian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Although the article still states these as "ongoing", the most recent entry in the timeline is for the 7 January. My guess is the "end" of these protests will be unclear, as they're likely to fade out rather than have an abrupt stop. However, what is more clear is that there is a lack of updates to the article to justify being in ITN/ongoing. The extent of international attention to internal events within Iran is far diminished from when this was placed into ongoing. LukeSurl ^{t c} 12:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Time to remove, as there have been no updates to the article. --Tone 13:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support as original nominator of the ongoing placement. There will be no fixed end to the protests, but they appear to have died down somewhat. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - the article is still getting substantial updates. And it is clearly still in the news, in particular the alleged suicides of protestors that were arrested. Let's reassess in a week or so. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:F4F1:9816:F121:9BEC (talk) 20:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support There is no protests anymore and the issue is not among the main topics of the international news agencies and media. --Seyyed(t-c) 05:49, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Removed from ongoing as the crisis appears to have subsided for now. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Cyrille Regis

Article: Cyrille Regis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Just one line so far on his death, but I suppose that's enough?  — Amakuru (talk) 11:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• That is ok. However, several paragraphs need references before this can get posted. --Tone 11:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Everything appears to be cited now. Black Kite (talk) 23:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] Carillion

Article: Carillion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ British services company Carillion goes into compulsory liquidation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ British construction and facilities services company Carillion goes into compulsory liquidation.
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paul_W (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Company delivers services across the UK and overseas. Involvement in high profile projects such as HS2 and Airport City Manchester at risk. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:31, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• This is all over the headlines here in the UK, but editors in other countries might be better placed to assess its notability in an international context. The update seems sufficient, as Carillion#Financial_difficulties contains the background and Carillion#Liquidation has today's news. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 10:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - the bell has tolled. Mjroots (talk) 10:18, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - the company is small. Market capitalization of less than 1 billion GBP in July 2017, revenue of 5.5 billion GBP. A few months ago Disney bought Fox for $50 billion. That's something; this isn't. Banedon (talk) 11:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Disney buying fox hasn't actually gone through; the company still has double the employees as fox news; this affects those jobs, numerous construction contracts such as on hs2 high-speed line etc. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Disney bought Fox studios, not the "news" division or the local affiliates. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 11:42, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I meant 21st century fox for the employee figure Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Conditional Support Top business story today. The "Blacklisting" section uses primary sources from Carillion, and the acquisitons section could probably use a copyedit (if any section better serves our readers as a list of bullet points, it's a list of acquisitions). Financial difficulties section seems to rely on a single source, the "Construction enquirer". Few CN tags and operations section reads more like "Scandals and Incidents". Overall not bad I guess it meets the minimum. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Top business story in the UK at best. Looking at various finance sites, the top stories as of time of writing are "Euro hits three-year high as Europe leads global optimism" (Reuters finance), "Airbus can't deliver its planes to China" (money.cnn), "Apple’s iPhone 7 Plus was the second-best selling phone in China in 2017" (CNBC), "Amazon’s Grocery Sales Increased After Its Whole Foods Buy " (Wall Street Journal business). Banedon (talk) 12:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sitting in Atlanta, GA and the location aware Google and Bing news aggregators still saw fit to put the story at the top of the business section. That's good enough for me. There is a whole "Please do not..." above too... --CosmicAdventure (talk) 12:06, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Weak oppose I agree that taking this from a UK angle, it's a big story, but we have to keep in mind this isn't the end of the company (yet), just its current ownership with the gov't getting involved to make sure its current workers and contracts (most for gov't related projects) continues forward. A lot of companies are close to a similar predicament, and we generally do not post those. The company is not that large on a world scale based on revenues, etc, so financially this is not a big situation either. --Masem (t) 14:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I wonder how many companies with >20000 employees liquidate in a year - certainly aren't swamped with them - and that may atleast break the monotony of sports, disaster, and elections.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Davey2116 (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 21:49, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Post-posting support good move despite usual anti-UK bias. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Article still has primary sources in the blacklist section everywhere now. Oh well. --CosmicAdventure (talk) 02:53, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Pulled temporarily until issues with sourcing are fixed - Until the cite errors and redlinked templates are fixed, this needs to be off the main page. As soon as that issue is fixed, I'm for posting ASAP. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• I've just removed a whole section because it wasn't relevant to Carillion, but only the companies that formed it. There are still half a dozen primary sources in there, but they're nothing contentious and it is of course OK to use primary sources for information about the company itself. I don't see a problem re-posting this at all. Black Kite (talk) 10:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you so much as always!!! I've re-posted the blurb to ITN. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

January 14

Portal:Current events/2018 January 14

January 14, 2018 (2018-01-14) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip, Blockade of the Gaza Strip The Israel Defense Forces report the complete destruction of an underground tunnel dug by Hamas under the Kerem Shalom crossing. Israel shut down the crossing before its jets bombed the tunnel opening in Gaza Saturday night. The crossing remains closed. (Ynetnews), (CNN) American-led intervention in the Syrian Civil War The U.S.-led coalition confirms reports that it will form a new 30,000-strong Syrian Border Security Force (BSF). Half of the forces will be Syrian Democratic Forces veterans. Another 15,000 will be recruited and trained in the near future. (Daily Sabah) Disasters and accidents Sanchi oil tanker collision The National Iranian Tanker Company-operated MV Sanchi sinks, following its January 6 collision with a Hong Kong-flagged cargo ship off Shanghai, China, leaving no survivors. (BBC) 2018 Peru earthquake A 7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes in the Pacific Ocean near Acarí in Peru's Arequipa Region resulting in 1 death and 65 injured. (Reuters), (USGS) A heat boiler explodes at a community center in Vila Nova da Rainha, Tondela, Portugal, leaving at least eight people dead and thirty five injured. (BBC) International relations Palestine–United States relations President of the State of Palestine Mahmoud Abbas describes President of the United States Donald Trump's Middle East peace efforts as the "slap of the century." (Euronews) Law and crime Turpin case A couple in Perris, California is arrested for allegedly holding captive and abusing their 13 children. (BBC) Politics and elections 2018 Tunisian protests The Tunisian government announces a wave of social and economic reforms after violent anti-austerity protests that have resulted in at least one death and the arrest of more than eight hundred people. (BBC) Government of Jimmy Morales Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales presents his second government report and starts the second half of his term surrounded by accusations of corruption and protests. Álvaro Arzú Escobar takes office as President of the Congress. Arzú is the son of former president Álvaro Arzú and both are accused of corruption. (Plenglish), (Telesur) Science and technology A study in Biological Psychiatry asserts that increasing the activity of the habenula brain region leads to social problems in rodents, whereas decreasing activity of the region prevents social problems. (Brinkwire)

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[Closed] RD: Dan Gurney

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Dan Gurney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by PootisHeavy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Citations needed on a good number of claims, but notable nonetheless. --PootisHeavy (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support article looks pretty good. Very notable figure in racing 1779Days (talk) 07:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose majority of the article is basically unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per TRM. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[Bumped] Bump: MV Sanchi

WP:IAR Proposal. Bump the MV Sanchi article to top of order (i.e. relist with date of 14 Jan) as the vessel sank today. Posting of the original story was delayed due to the protracted discussion as to whether or not it should be posted. Mjroots (talk) 13:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support as proposer Mjroots (talk)
• Support. I agree with Mjroots. This is a significant development and has caused this story to re-appear in new sources. Blurb should be updated to include the sinking. —LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
  • It already has been . Mjroots (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support obviously. Davey2116 (talk) 17:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Bumping. --Tone 17:18, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Sanchi oil tanker collision should be the bold article. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 18:34, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
  • disagree. Mjroots (talk) 19:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Well, yes, it should be. But we're pragmatic, so if it's not good enough, let's go with what we have. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
    • I have to agree with TRM here. The collision article must be the target article as it actually has the sufficient update about this story. That article is not too bad, but its all proseline right now. --Masem (t) 19:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

January 13

Portal:Current events/2018 January 13

January 13, 2018 (2018-01-13) (Saturday) Business and economy Racism in South Africa In South Africa, several H&M stores are closed following protests over a controversial advertisement that was featured in the store's webpage. The advertisement showed a black child model wearing a green hoodie reading "Coolest Monkey in the Jungle". Several stores are also ransacked by protesters from the Economic Freedom Fighters over the advertisement. (Reuters) (CNN Business) Rubber bullets are used on EEF protesters at the East Rand Mall. (News24) Disasters and accidents A search for missing children is underway after a boat capsized off the Indian coast near Dahanu, Maharashtra. Two bodies have been recovered. (BBC) Sanchi oil tanker collision A Chinese rescue team recovers two bodies from the MV Sanchi and salvages the voyage data recorder from the bridge. (Reuters) Pegasus Airlines Flight 8622 A Pegasus Airlines flight from Esenboğa International Airport in Ankara, Turkey, departs the runway of Trabzon Airport in northern Turkey upon landing. All 162 passengers, two pilots, and four cabin crew evacuated the aircraft, a Boeing 737, unharmed. The local government launched an investigation into the incident. (Irish Independent), (Sky News) International relations Iran–United States relations Iran's Ministry of Foreign Affairs says the January 12 U.S. sanctions on Chief Justice Sadeq Amoli-Larijani are "beyond all [...] red lines." (BBC) (Sputnik) Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action U.S. President Donald Trump says he is extending sanctions relief for Iran one last time so Europe and the U.S. can fix the nuclear deal's "terrible flaws". (BBC) Iran's Foreign Ministry replies that it "will not accept any change in the deal," adding that it will "not take any action beyond its commitments." (Politico) Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation Russia deploys a second anti-air S-400 missile battalion in Crimea. (TASS) (Radio Free Europe) 2018 Hawaii false missile alert An emergency alert warning of an inbound ballistic missile is accidentally sent out across the U.S. state of Hawaii at 8:07 HST, before being cleared as a false alarm 38 minutes later. This event caused panic and disruptions across the state on the archipelago inhabited by roughly 1.7 million people. (BBC) Law and crime The Bar Council of India forms a 7-member delegation which will attempt to meet the four most senior Supreme Court judges on behalf of Chief Justice of India (CJI) Dipak Misra. This comes in the wake of allegations made by the four top judges against the CJI at a first of its kind press conference held on January 12. (The Times of India) Nigerian Shia Islamic Movement leader, Ibrahim Zakzaky, who is detained at an unknown location without charges since December 2015, makes a short public appearance, his first in two years, being allowed to see his doctor. (Reuters) Two people are killed and another is injured in a mass shooting in Vancouver, Canada. (CBC) Politics and elections Czech presidential election The first round of the presidential election results in a second round that will be held on 26 and 27 January between Miloš Zeman and Jiří Drahoš. (Reuters)

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[Posted] RD: Jean Porter

Article: Jean Porter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been updated and is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support I was unaware of the TV Guide filmographies. That could save a lot of headache on RDs here (and WP:RSN seems to be cool with it, if anyone else was curious). GCG (talk) 14:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you! Is it g2g? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Insufficiently referenced filmography. Stephen 23:13, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Stephen: It was before, but I made it more sufficient now. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
    • The first film I checked wasn't listed in any of the references, nor was her name listed in the film article. Stephen 00:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
    • @Stephen: Fixed it with Hollywood Reporter ref. Her role in the film was pretty small. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted, thanks for the final referencing, Stephen 02:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

[Posted] RD: Doug Harvey

Article: Doug Harvey (umpire) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune, Daily Mail
Credits:

• Nominated by PootisHeavy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable and well sourced. --PootisHeavy (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support I fixed some sourcing issues and I was about to nominate this myself! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support and marking ready. Newyorkbrad (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

[Closed] Hawaii missile alert

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Article: Hawaii missile alert (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A false alert about a ballistic missile threat is transmitted in the U.S. state of Hawaii. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News Mirror The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Kudzu1 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article is a WIP but news has grabbed international headlines. This sort of thing simply doesn't happen often. The alert specifically stated, erroneously, "THIS IS NOT A DRILL." Kudzu1 (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Interesting, but not ITN material. --Masem (t) 19:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Semes like it might fail at AfD based on WP:NOTNEWS. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per above and also the article is at AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose should it survive AFD, this is an awesome DYK in the making. Sorry people of Hawaii, hope you're all ok and that no-one died from shock etc.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Would make an interesting DYK, but is not going to remain news after today. – Nixinova ⟨T|C⟩ 21:26, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• SNOW Oppose false alarms are not ITN material. SamaranEmerald (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. I don't think it should be deleted, but don't think it merits posting to ITN either. A national false alarm, maybe, but not this one.331dot (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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January 12

Portal:Current events/2018 January 12

January 12, 2018 (2018-01-12) (Friday) Arts and culture Women's rights in Saudi Arabia, Mohammad bin Salman, Saudi Vision 2030 For the first time, Saudi Arabia allows women to spectate at football matches, part of an easing of strict rules on gender separation by the ultra-conservative Muslim country. (BBC) Disasters and accidents A major fire engulfs parts of Nottingham station, United Kingdom. (BBC) International relations Turkey–United States relations Turkey cautions its citizens against travel to the United States in response to an advisory that warned Americans about terror threats and arbitrary detentions in Turkey. (AP via Fox News) United Kingdom–United States relations United States President Donald Trump cancels his scheduled trip to the United Kingdom next month. (Reuters) Nepal–United States relations, Botswana–United States relations Nepalese authorities state that they are "discussing their response" to Trump's recent comment which referred to their country (among others) as a "shithole". Botswana summoned their U.S. ambassador, asking for clarification and expressed their concerns. (CNN) Panama–United States relations The United States Ambassador to Panama, John D. Feeley, resigns saying he can no longer serve under Trump administration. (The Telegraph) Law and crime Murder of Zainab Ansari Protesters set a government office on fire in the Pakistani city of Kasur, in a second day of riots after the rape and murder of a six-year-old girl. (BBC) After European Parliament auditors conclude that he used a parliamentary assistant for UKIP party matters instead of for work related to the duties of a Member of the European Parliament, Nigel Farage will now pay back £35,500 (€40,000) through having half of his salary withheld. (The Independent) Politics and elections Cabinet of Germany The CDU/CSU (Christian Democrats) and SPD (Social Democrats) agree on a blueprint for formal negotiations on a new "grand coalition" government after the September 2017 federal election. (BBC) Politics of Mexico Mexicans react with incredulity after President of Mexico Enrique Peña Nieto appointed Alberto Bazbaz to the position of head of the CISEN intelligence service. Bazbaz is known for having overseen a 9-day search for a missing girl, Paulette Gebara Farah, who was eventually found dead in her own bed. (The Guardian) Science and technology 2018 in spaceflight The Indian Space Research Organisation successfully launches India’s 100th satellite and 30 other satellites from the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota, Andhra Pradesh. (The Hindu) A Delta IV launches NROL-47, a classified U.S. military payload, from Vandenberg Air Force Base, California. It is the last single-core Delta IV to launch from Vandenberg. (Spaceflight Now)

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[Posted] RD: Keith Jackson

Article: Keith Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Davey2116 (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• I've added {{cn}} tags. The "notable broadcast" section is unsourced listcruft. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:20, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

  Thanks for the CNs. Did what I can with notable broadcasts, but some of these are probably specious on the notability claim ('03 OSU/UM?) and can probably be dropped. GCG (talk) 02:03, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support Article has been sourced good enough, with few cn tags though still present, it has been approved greatly. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Article is so filled with trivia it's hard to cite (e.g. that a sample of his broadcast was used in a TV mini-series seems non-BALASP). I think it's plenty good enough now. GCG (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support per GCG. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 03:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. --Tone 11:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

[Closed] Dipak Misra

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Article: Dipak Misra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four of the senior-most judges of the Supreme Court of India call an unprecedented press conference to air their grievances against Chief Justice Dipak Misra (Post)
News source(s): [Times of India]
Credits:

• Nominated by Force Radical (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Denzy (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I suggest that we keep this open for a week (despite near unanimous Opposes) or so during which this issue should be resolved and a blurb can be posted if there are any repercussions.(At the time of writing this the BCI has talked about fastracking ansd resolving this - 11:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)  — Force Radical∞ ( Talk ⋯ Contribs ) 11:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - I have to support this one. Unprecedented event in India. Article is referenced and ITN ready.BabbaQ (talk) 12:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose If this does end up with any action again Misra, that's the point to post, but right now it is just accusations being made and which have been denied. Not appropriate for ITN. --Masem (t) 15:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per Masem. If Justice Misra were kicked off the court that would be blurbable. Sca (talk) 16:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. While I can see why this was nominated (imagine US Supreme Court justices publicly criticizing Chief Justice Roberts For misconduct) we don't post accusations. I would support posting his removal or resignation. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment This kerfuffle seems noteworthy enough to post at some point, involving as it does the seniormost judges of the world's numerically largest democracy. I'm not sure this is the appropriate time or the appropriate blurb, though. Vanamonde (talk) 16:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - post when ramifications occur, rather now at the onset of internal political/judicial squabbling. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Indian domestic issue for now. If something were to come from this, however, that's another story. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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[Posted] RD: Doodhnath Singh

Article: Doodhnath Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India, The Tribune
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Skr15081997 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A well known author and recipient of highest literary honours of two Indian states, Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh whose combined population nears 300 million. Skr15081997 (talk) 08:35, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - article is in an utterly torrid state at the moment. Stormy clouds (talk) 08:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

How is it in a torrid state? Sentences cited and paragraphs organized. Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Nominated for AfD, littered with red links, overly reliant on one source, poorly organised and too short. Stormy clouds (talk) 18:12, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Wasn't nominated for AfD then, red links can easily be removed and aren't really a problem Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Structural problems have been broadly resolved, so will move to weak support. Stormy clouds (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support - short article perhaps but seems RD ready. Cited and paragraphs organized indeed.BabbaQ (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Lead can be expanded to improve the short article status. Support Article has been fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:50, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support Though short, the sources are adequate –Ammarpad (talk) 16:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Article has been nominated for deletion by another user. Perhaps close this nomination now and wait until consensus reaches to re-nominated if not deleted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: AfD discussion has been closed with the consensus to keep the article. --Skr15081997 (talk) 14:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

[Closed] Work for medicaid requirement

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Article: Medicaid (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Trump administration will allow states to impose work requirements in Medicaid. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by 107.77.219.218 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Pretty big deal. 107.77.219.218 (talk) 23:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose posting this domestic policy adjustment. This is not USApedia. 331dot (talk) 00:01, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose ITN generally does not post adjustments to domestic policy. This is not an exceptional case. —LukeSurl ^{t c} 00:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Per 331dot/LukeSurl. --Masem (t) 00:06, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per all of the above. SamaranEmerald (talk) 00:19, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I don't support or oppose, but, isn't opposing just cause this is related to one country against the rules? Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. CherryPie94 (talk) 08:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

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[Closed] US to quit nuclear deal with Iran within 120 days

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Article: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ US to quit nuclear deal with Iran within 120 days (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: "US President Donald Trump will approve the Iran nuclear deal only one more time before abandoning it if it is not changed, White House officials say." But the deal cannot be changed by the US, so it's the end of the nuclear deal. Count Iblis (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The deal will still go for 120 days, and this is Trump pushing the EU to make the necessary changes he wants otherwise, the US just drops out. This is not a groundbreaking change in the status quo; it would be either if the EU does make changes or when the US actually drops out, either which may or may not be ITN depending. (And of course, Trump could go back at the end of 120 days and sign a new extension) This point is not an ITN point. --Masem (t) 19:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing of significance has actually happened... yet. If/when it does we can revisit this. I suggest the OP withdraw this as it has no chance of being approved. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Support notable development. The target article needs some minor fixes though. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:5CA7:5D90:A6D6:B313 (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• wait until it actually happens --CosmicAdventure (talk) 20:39, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose posting speculation, and renewing the deal is keeping the status quo. Trump also denies making comments that are on tape, so it is difficult to believe what he states; he might likely change his mind again. If he actually does pull the US out of the deal, that would probably merit posting. 331dot (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose what a "shithole". Seriously, let's post this when it happens, as a lot of what Trump says is utter claptrap. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose jumping to instant conclusions is pointless. This will not happen for another 4 months and you disregarded the chance that Trump may reconsider the decision before then. Kirliator (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for 120 days. At that point the status quo will either change (and it will probably be ITN-worthy) or Trump will have changed his mind (and/or denied that he changed his mind) and the status quo wont change (and it probably wont be ITN-worthy, but I'll reserve final judgement on that). Thryduulf (talk) 22:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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