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December 25
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James Webb actually got launched. No hitting Santa. Will probably start doing science in about 6 months. 2A02:2F0E:D003:2E00:6898:79D7:D00B:2CE8 (talk) 12:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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(Ready) Bangladesh ferry fire
Blurb: At least 39 people are killed in a ferry fire in southern Bangladesh. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, Hindustan Times, ABC, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by PenangLion (talk · give credit)
- Created by Scaramouche33 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Personally, I have my doubts on this nomination (since I want all of your advices), but it recently happened, and the death toll is expected to rise as much as 50. Besides with another similar disaster at Madagascar that is more worthy of an inclusion, I'm not really that confident (apologies), but if the article can be updated, then maybe it could be ITN-worthy. (PenangLion (talk) 12:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC))
- Comment – Very widely covered, with a sizable death toll, but at 285 words (1,400 characters) article is barely a stub. – Sca (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I wanted to work on the Madagascar article but I didn't have any free time. I'll try to expand this one when more information is available. Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Well referenced. And article looks passable, more information will be entered as it comes through. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because it's important enough & the article is sufficient. Jim Michael (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support it is well referenced, passable, and important enough based on the coverage received that it should probably be mentioned. --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support - referenced, large number of deaths. Has received plenty of coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 10:21, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Significant and tragic event. Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:49, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
December 23
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RD: Grace Mirabella
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Tossed Salads and Scrambled Eggs (talk · give credit) and Keivan.f (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Editor-in-chief of Vogue (1971-1988) prior to Anna Wintour. Joofjoof (talk) 22:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. Bit concerned about the section on her being fired from Vogue (though Newhouse has been dead since 2017). Is there nothing else to say about her life outside work -- education in 1950, marriage in 1974, death in 2021 seems a little sparse. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've hidden this for now; the reference fails to give page numbers and I've failed to find it in a quick look at a preview of the book. Page numbers for other uses of this book and for her autobiography would also be helpful, as would an independent source for the claims based purely on her autobiography. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:43, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Joan Didion
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Pawnkingthree (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Extremely important voice in American literature. Let's get this Main Page ready as soon as we can, if it's not there already. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Would be best to update the article and take care of a number of "citation missing" tags.
- Support - Based on the looks of it, its worthy of an inclusion, but I agree with the statement above, the missing tags need to be updated. (PenangLion (talk) 12:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC))
- Oppose inclusion is based only on article quality, and many more sources needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. On a quick look, the article is a bit of a mess. It looks to have been the subject of an educational assignment and it shows; there's significant duplication between Career and Personal life sections and a very choppy feel, as well as some important missing sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Launch of the James Webb Space Telescope
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Blurb: The James Webb Space Telescope launches from the Guiana Space Centre in French Guiana, beginning a planned 10-year mission to study the formation and evolution of the earliest stars and galaxies. (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Xarm Endris (talk · give credit)
- Oppose: this is absurd. It's not even December 24 in the location of the launch and we're posting things that are scheduled for December 25? This is a very WP:CRYSTALBALL nomination. The launch was already delayed from December 22 to December 25 due to weather. It could happen again. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 12:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Per WP:CRYSTALBALL: "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." --Xarm Endris (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- WP:CRYSTALBALL doesn't apply to non-article pages such as WP:ITN/C. Can someone close this and reopen this 2 days from now? Howard the Duck (talk) 13:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Per WP:CRYSTALBALL: "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." --Xarm Endris (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose way too soon, as it hasn't happened (and until it actually happens, we shouldn't assume it wil). In addition, people shouldn't be adding dates in the future as headers, as this will screw up the bot. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Close and revert - This nom also resulted in the creation of a malformed category in ITN/C. This is going to screw up the bot that automatically creates this category when December 25th rolls around at 0:00 GMT. WaltCip-(talk) 13:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Demolition of the Pillar of Shame
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Blurb: The Pillar of Shame (pictured), a statue at the University of Hong Kong commemorating the Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, is dismantled and removed. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, AP, BBC, Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose minor event, and keeping in mind that Hong Kong is part of China, "China's tightening grip on the once autonomous city" is not surprising (not to mention it's a rather anti-China phrasing, as would featuring this event on ITN). Banedon (talk) 07:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see how posting the event on ITN is anti-China at all. If Wikipedia was around in 1989, would posting the massacre itself be anti-China? -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- No, but the massacre itself was a much more significant event than the demolition of one of the many memorials to the event. The anti-China aspect of it stems from what one chooses to report, and by choosing to report this (as opposed to, say, the 2021 Madagascar shipwreck or the Malaysian floods below, it conveys a clear message that we consider this removal to be inappropriate. Banedon (talk) 08:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as stated above, minor event. Only symbolic effect and not in a wider sense. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This is extremely widely covered; ABC News, Al Jazeera, AP, NBC News, NPR, The Australian, BBC, Bloomberg, CNN, The Daily Telegraph, Financial Times, The Globe and Mail, The Guardian, HuffPost; I could continue working down WP:RSP, but I feel the point is made - the coverage of this clearly indicates that it has significance beyond a "minor event" (note that while some of these are reposted AP articles with minor edits, many are independent articles) BilledMammal (talk) 08:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose statues are being removed for various reasons all over the globe. This is just part of the ongoing drive to revise history. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per TRM. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose ... per all the previous opposed comments. A poignant commentary on the Chinese regime, but just a footnote historically. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I think it could be used as a candidate for DYK instead. (PenangLion (talk) 13:40, 23 December 2021 (UTC))
- Oppose - Yes, China is engaging in historical revisionism, but it's nothing they haven't already done for years, especially given efforts in the U.S. to tear down statues and memorials relating to the Confederacy. We have no illusions as to the sort of message that China wants to portray to the world.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
December 22
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RD: Poh Lip Meng
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA, Yahoo, The Straits Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Singaporean competitive sport shooter. Represented Singapore at international level and won some medals. – robertsky (talk) 16:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Thomas Kinsella
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AleatoryPonderings (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Irish poet. Needs some ref work; I may be able to get to it in the next day or two. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 14:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Frans Lebu Raya
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article has good length and sourcing. Joofjoof (talk) 09:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is in good quality Nyanardsan (talk) 00:40, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dmitry Zimin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Andrei (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Looks fairly comprehensive (about 760 words) & well documented. – Sca (talk) 20:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD. --PFHLai (talk) 02:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support. Really outstanding scientist, businessman and philanthropist. ruASG+1 16:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
December 21
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(Posted) RD: George Alexander Albrecht
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Neue Musikzeitung
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German conductor and composer Grimes2 (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Grimes2, and I'll add, - he was great! GRuban, any chance for an image? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not that I could find, sorry. --GRuban (talk) 14:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Copy-edited. Looks good to go. – Sca (talk) 13:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: P. A. Ibrahim Haji
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Khaleej Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Showka9001 (talk · give credit) and Uamaol (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian businessman in the UAE. Article needs some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. Edits done. Somewhere between a start-class and a C-class biography, though rater.js calls it a C. Meets basic hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough (2925 characters or 480 words of readable prose) and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD.--PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Myrna Manzanares
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2][3],[4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Never heard of her before just now, trying to fight systemic bias. I hope the source is reliable. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is a good length and fully referenced. Breaking Belize News looks generally reliable, and the local evening news should also cover the story. Joofjoof (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Added obit from Channel 5 Belize. Joofjoof (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 23:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Good choice. Belize is an interesting multicultural country that almost never turns up in the news. – Sca (talk) 13:31, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2021 Madagascar shipwreck
Blurb: At least 85 people are killed in a shipwreck off the northeast coast of Madagascar (Post)
News source(s): France 24, AlJazeera
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Just created a basic article for this shipwreck which happened on Monday. Info is scarce, but 64 killed and 24 missing (plus 2 further missing from a helicopter crash carrying police to the site) - Dumelow (talk) 10:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because the death toll is high enough & the article good enough for it to be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 13:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oddly missing from most RS coverage, for some reason. – Sca (talk) 13:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the media don't take much interest in accidental sinkings of ships in poor countries which have no international angle. However, the sources are sufficient for the article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article is barely more than a stub (1575 characters). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Come on, folks. Tis the season and all that.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:54, 24 December 2021 (UTC) |
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- Weak support Tragic shipwreck but the article is barely over a stub. Gotitbro (talk) 21:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Serge Gellé is a stub fork which can be incorporated into this article. Woah, he really swam 12 hours to the shore after a botched rescue. Gotitbro (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support - Major incident worthy of an inclusion, but the article's quality is questionable. There are some phrasing errors that needs correction, and there isn't enough information. (PenangLion (talk) 12:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC))
- Support short but well-sourced. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kimera Bartee
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Denniscabrams (talk · give credit) and Bagumba (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 04:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sourced and comprehensive enough.—Bagumba (talk) 05:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Malaysian floods
Blurb: Floods in Malaysia kill at least 37 and displace over 71,000 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Floods in Malaysia leave at least 37 dead and 10 missing.
Alternative blurb II: Floods in Malaysia displace over 71,000 people.
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, France 24, The Straits Times, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by PenangLion (talk · give credit)
- Created by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Aquatic Ambiance (talk · give credit), Jim Michael (talk · give credit), Elijahandskip (talk · give credit) and PeaceSearcher (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: A rare event in the country exacerbated by climate change, and has turned into one of the worst of its kind in the country's history. Death toll is still rising steadily. As of this edit, its 37 with 10 missing. (PenangLion (talk) 14:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC))
- Comment The damages of this flood should be probably listed in the blurb rather than how many displaced, since it is over $70 million USD. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose at this time. I share the concern of many that we over-emphasize mass casualty events at ITN, and there are two events currently posted with dramatically larger impacts. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- The only disaster currently on ITN which has a larger impact than this is Typhoon Rai. Jim Michael (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Setting aside that my comment is two days old, Haiti has a higher death toll as well. This would also leave us with two mass casualty events deriving from typhoons in the same area. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The only disaster currently on ITN which has a larger impact than this is Typhoon Rai. Jim Michael (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now I don't believe that the economic impact is the decisive factor in this tragedy, as well as in other tragedies. It's something natural and inevitable. So far I don't see an ITN-worthy number of fatalities. For now. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The death toll has risen. —Ainty Painty (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I think the number of fatalities is comparable to another previous flood on ITN, these floods had around 5. I do not want to "ignore" this event based on the casualties metric, however I agree that economic impact is minimal/localized and makes it less relevant than the other flood, as well as other events taking precedence. Symphoricarpos albus (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's not a valid comparable, as it was not posted. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake. Here's a better example, Tropical Storm Kompasu (2021) that was posted. There was discussion there about death count (40), with the consensus being that there's no minimum. I think the point that that metric isn't the most important is still applicable.Symphoricarpos albus (talk) 05:55, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. A large amount of rainfall is expected for the coming days which will make the problems much worse. Count Iblis (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose floods doing flood things. Tragic, but in the end not ITN level for weather. NoahTalk 01:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It is the deadliest floods in the country since 1996/1971, and is a major chapter on climate change in Malaysia. PenangLion (talk) 08:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support ... with a change. Widely covered, reasonably complete and impactful. But the 300-word 'Connection to climate changes' section seems overdone. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Does the article still need updating? Seriously, we've let in ITNR items that are far, far, far less important than this slip by too easily. I mean, actual rivers burst its banks and caused deaths. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not necessarily more updating, but more referencing would be helpful. --PFHLai (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Unusual flooding with significant destruction and deaths. Article also looks fine for ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 21:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The sub-sections on the impact on Selangor and Pahang are short and have zero footnotes. Please add more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: It is currently the deadliest floods in the Malay Peninsular, and the deadliest tropical cyclone to affect the country since 1996. The death toll is still rising. PenangLion (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the severity of these floods is an issue anymore. This is indeed ITN material. The question is whether the wikiarticle is ready for use on MainPage. Please make sure the numbers, especially the scary big ones, are accompanied by references. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support per the fact that these things don't happen every day, every year, or even every decade. Banedon (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support article looks fine, event now looks important enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the wikiarticle looks ready, except that there is an orange tag in the Criticisms section that needs to be addressed before ths blurb goes on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 13:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support because of the death toll & extent of the damage caused. The article is easily good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 14:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted
Floods in Malaysia leave at least 37 dead and displace more than 68,000 people.
with numbers to match those currently found in the article. The orange tag is now gone. --PFHLai (talk) 15:01, 23 December 2021 (UTC) - Comment Blurb needs to be updated as death toll is now 41, with 8 missing. (PenangLion (talk) 12:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC))
December 19
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(Posted) RD: Madhur Kapila
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Created by Rajeshwar Chahal (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rajeshwar Chahal (talk · give credit) and Anne Delong (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian Hindi language novelist. Article requires some expansion and some work before it can be ready for homepage / RD. I will get to it shortly. In case someone wants to lend a hand or two, jump right-in. Edits done. Article has shaped into a decent biography somewhere in between start and C-class. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and with enough footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY FOR RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:25, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Armenia wins Junior Eurovision
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Blurb: 14 years-old Maléna of Armenia wins the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2021 in Paris (Post)
Alternative blurb: Maléna wins Junior Eurovision 2021 for Armenia, bringing a second victory to her country
News source(s): https://junioreurovision.tv/story/armenia-wins-junior-eurovision-2021
Credits:
- Nominated by Գարիկ Ավագյան (talk · give credit)
- Oppose because it's nowhere near important enough. Jim Michael (talk) 12:44, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, the important (ITNR) event is the Eurovision Song Contest, this is the junior version. --Tone 12:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose (ec) posting this youth competition; the regular one is ITNR, I believe, but that has more visibility. 331dot (talk) 12:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose youth events aren't generally ITN-worthy, this event is not covered prominently in sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as above, youth/junior events like this really aren't top tier. --Masem (t) 13:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Better suited for ITN on Portal:Europe? --PFHLai (talk) 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Robert H. Grubbs
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Caltech
Credits:
- Nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Created by V8rik (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize laureate in Chemistry Grimes2 (talk) 23:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- This wikibio is long enough and has enough footnotes in expected spots, and thus looks good enough for RD purposes. However, when I clicked on a few of the linked refs (spot checks only -- I did not check every ref), I found a number of deadlinks. Can these ref-links be refreshed, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 05:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Done Grimes2 (talk) 08:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Grimes2. This is GOOD to GO on RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Chilean general election
Blurb: Gabriel Boric (pictured) is elected President of Chile. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Gabriel Boric, of the leftist Broad Front, wins the Chilean presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: Gabriel Boric (pictured), leader of Apruebo Dignidad, is elected President of Chile.
News source(s): NY Times, TRT World, DW, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
- Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bedivere (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Official result. Klast conceded defeat and all RS are calling Boric the winner. --Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 23:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't see any prose update with those RS calling Boric the winner and showing Klast's concession. Updated tables are not enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment article needs prose and updates. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Strong support huge upset in Chilean politics, but can someone find a better photo? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Photo swapped. Joofjoof (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Better, thanks This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Photo swapped. Joofjoof (talk) 00:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Needs work There is no prose whatsoever in the results section. The French article can help as a starting point. Joofjoof (talk) 00:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose needs more results prose. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle per Joseph2302. While OrbitalBuzzsaw does have a good point that it was a huge upset, the article needs work. Fakescientist8000 (talk)
- Comment on Alt Blurb While it is true that he leads the Broad Front, it would be better to link to Apruebo Dignidad, which is the electoral alliance. BSMRD (talk) 13:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support It is a game changing result for Chile, including the youngest elected head of state in the world and the president elected with the largest number of votes in Chilean history. I don't see however why are we using a medium quality picture taken from a video when we have the official portrait available in Commons. --B1mbo (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Elections such as this one are important and should come in the news.The article contains enough information, but it would be better to divide it into headings. Alex-h (talk) 16:38, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This nomination was removed for some time by an anonymous editor, and I nominated it in the meantime. Consider that as a support by itself. --Bedivere (talk) 17:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Strong support. Much more notable than the prime minister of Tonga. Also many people are following this story. hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 18:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment This is ITNR, so no need to pile up the supports. As it has been pointed up above, some prose about the reactions/aftermath is missing, until then this cannot be posted because the article is not ready. People familiar with Chile should not have problem filling that in. --Tone 19:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Tone: I've updated the article with some content from the Spanish Wikipedia. I think it would do fine with some copyediting, but so far it's ready to go IMHO. --Bedivere (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is now ready. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the adjective "leftist" derogatory in the United States? I know it is not the intention of the person who proposes the blurb, but maybe it can generate some inconvenience. And perhaps something could be added about the big upset it has caused. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- But it wasn't an upset. Boric was favourite since the begging of the race. The upset, perhaps, was Klast get to the second round (his win in the first round was a surprise for many people). See all the opinion polls. Besides, I'd rather my original blurb which is more neutral. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Why are we using an old photograph of him, when we have the official one released by Gabriel Boric's team? --B1mbo (talk) 04:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- cause it has been 29 days and Boric's team has yet to confirm that they have officially released the image for the licence needed for it to be used on wikimedia. If anything, the image is scheduled to be deleted tomorrow so using it on the ITN page today is a bad idea.27.123.136.73 (talk) 06:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, let's keep questioning why he hasn't sent another e-mail to OTRS while he is being elected President. Wikipedia, always surprising. --B1mbo (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- It is nice of English Wikipedia to not use an image that may be violating his copyright... Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- The file was released under CC-BY-SA by the President-elect himself and the document is available already on OTRS. So, no, it's not violating any copyright. --B1mbo (talk) 20:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- The fact that the OTRS has not been properly verified means it isn't released properly, and we shouldn't be using it until it is. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- The file was released under CC-BY-SA by the President-elect himself and the document is available already on OTRS. So, no, it's not violating any copyright. --B1mbo (talk) 20:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- It is nice of English Wikipedia to not use an image that may be violating his copyright... Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nice, let's keep questioning why he hasn't sent another e-mail to OTRS while he is being elected President. Wikipedia, always surprising. --B1mbo (talk) 12:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 07:18, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Could someone give me "the credits". Thanks. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- Although PK3 gave them to you, remember also that you can give credits to yourself if you need them in a hurry. WaltCip-(talk) 19:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did nominate this article too (in a period this nomination itself had been removed) and provided significant updates to the election article, should I too get credits? Bedivere (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I will do so shortly!-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Much appreciated, thank you! Bedivere (talk) 21:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I will do so shortly!-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- I did nominate this article too (in a period this nomination itself had been removed) and provided significant updates to the election article, should I too get credits? Bedivere (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Although PK3 gave them to you, remember also that you can give credits to yourself if you need them in a hurry. WaltCip-(talk) 19:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Could someone give me "the credits". Thanks. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Drakeo the Ruler
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7], [8], [9]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Syd Highwind (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable rapper fatally stabbed at Once Upon A Time music festival. Mooonswimmer (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose lots of discography (mixtapes section) is not sourced. Apart from that, looks fine to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Added citations to discography. Mooonswimmer (talk)
- Support now that it is referenced comprehensively. Kafoxe (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The Career section still has quite a few unref'd materials. Please add more refs. --PFHLai (talk)
- Comment: Added missing citations. Mooonswimmer (talk) 18:26, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be fully referenced and ready to go now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Carlos Marín
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by RosameliaMartinezTorres (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish baritone and a member of the classical crossover group Il Divo, who has sold over 28 million records worldwide. COVID-19. Death announced/being covered in sources today. RosameliaMartinezTorres (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, we cannot use either of those sources (Daily Mail and Metro) as RSes. --Masem (t) 22:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Replaced. --PFHLai (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose way too many outstanding cn tags. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Johnny Isakson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Star Garnet (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Recent U.S. senator and major political figure. Could be significantly expanded. Star Garnet (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support - It is a bit light for who he was, but at the very least there are no longer any CN tags, and nothing else that would prevent posting to the main page from what I can see. Kafoxe (talk) 17:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I believe that the coverage of his political career could be extended. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- I concur. There are too many "he won the re-election ... with X% of the votes" without telling us what he did during each term. Need to elaborate. --PFHLai (talk) 01:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Doug Ericksen
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Kafoxe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SounderBruce (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American state senator from Washington. COVID-19. Death announced/being covered in sources today. Kafoxe (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support There is still one cn tag left, but that doesn't prevent it from being included in the Main Page. Of course, it would be better to be fixed before. Otherwise the wikibio is in good condition. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I added a ref for that paragraph in the talk page, as the page is currently protected. Whitsunderland (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good article with sufficient references. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's comment: The last cn tag is resolved, thanks to the reference Whitsunderland mentioned and one other source I added. Kafoxe (talk) 16:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Osagi Bascome
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:3DEC:B91D:F988:C6C9 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Lugnuts (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Active Bermuda international footballer stabbed to death at 23. Didn't have the longest career, or the most successful, but everything is sourced. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:3DEC:B91D:F988:C6C9 (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nom, long IP address! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Comprehensive and well referenced. KittenKlub (talk) 19:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough with 2508 characters (443 words) of readable prose, and with footnotes in expected spots, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Richard Rogers
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BrownHairedGirl (talk · give credit) and Seth Whales (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Italian-British architect. Article requires some work but should be ready soon. I have filled all of the [citation needed] tags. I have not given it one end-to-end read / scrub though. If someone wants to take a look, please feel free to. Nothing too awkward that jumps out. I think this might be close to ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I don't care about the blurb, but Rogers should be in the RD-listing right away. If it wazs good enough yesterday, today too so. -DePiep (talk) 06:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- It wasn’t good enough yesterday. Stephen 08:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- If it was failing BLP yesterday, it should have been deleted. Good enough yesterday, good enough today. The higher bar is only for blurbs, as this pages intro says ("... Other articles can also be linked"). Strange that MP should miss a RD name because of this. Sort of defeats ITN essence. And again: no rule for this found. -DePiep (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- "ITN essence", DePiep? You may have gotten ITN mixed up with Portal:Current events. RD in ITN is not the same as Deaths in 2021. --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I am quoting the from the lede of this very page named Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates § top we both are posting on. No need to divert. Now, the essence of the "N" part is that it is currently, eh, news. Adding a name days later misses that. Nothing to do with WP, all with the recentism of news. -DePiep (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Then please quickly fix the problems in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Au contraire. As you can read, I state that because it is News, and as an RD not free for us to choose timing of Mainpage appearance, add it to the RD hlist right away. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- DePiep, if you want this article or any other article on RD, please help fix that wikipage quickly so that it can be used on RD while the news is still fresh. Timeliness is not the only criterion. --PFHLai (talk) 14:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm ... sound effect. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Au contraire. As you can read, I state that because it is News, and as an RD not free for us to choose timing of Mainpage appearance, add it to the RD hlist right away. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Then please quickly fix the problems in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 13:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: I am quoting the from the lede of this very page named Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates § top we both are posting on. No need to divert. Now, the essence of the "N" part is that it is currently, eh, news. Adding a name days later misses that. Nothing to do with WP, all with the recentism of news. -DePiep (talk) 13:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- "ITN essence", DePiep? You may have gotten ITN mixed up with Portal:Current events. RD in ITN is not the same as Deaths in 2021. --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- If it was failing BLP yesterday, it should have been deleted. Good enough yesterday, good enough today. The higher bar is only for blurbs, as this pages intro says ("... Other articles can also be linked"). Strange that MP should miss a RD name because of this. Sort of defeats ITN essence. And again: no rule for this found. -DePiep (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Oppose for now many cn tags have yet to be resolved. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Oppose until citation needed tags fixed. If DePiep thinks this is ready, they clearly don't understand that everything needs to be sourced before posting, which is a clear ITN rule. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not about "understanding". I am asking where that rule is. So far, I only found #Top section here that clearly differentiates between blurb and "other articles":
Now what do you not understand? -DePiep (talk) 11:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked.
- WP:ITN#Article quality:
Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable.
Unsectioned paragraphs like in this article mean it doesn't have the article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)- Well, thanks for that link. At last, a base. Now I do sense a slight diff with the top section here I quoted. But alas, time to change something. WP should not miss another Colon Powell or Stephen Sondheim RD for days this way. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- WP did NOT miss Powell or Sondheim for days. They got onto Deaths in 2021 quite quickly. Their biographies got updated quickly. But it took days to fix them up to qualify for RD. Please help fix up the Rogers article instead of complaining here that it's not yet on RD. --PFHLai (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, thanks for that link. At last, a base. Now I do sense a slight diff with the top section here I quoted. But alas, time to change something. WP should not miss another Colon Powell or Stephen Sondheim RD for days this way. -DePiep (talk) 14:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- WP:ITN#Article quality:
- Not about "understanding". I am asking where that rule is. So far, I only found #Top section here that clearly differentiates between blurb and "other articles":
- The wikibio currently carries about fifty {cn} tags. Such deficiency needs to be addressed before this nom can proceed. Please add more refs to this article. --PFHLai (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've never heard of this guy until now, but I've taken steps to clean the article in order to end this turmoil-y thread. Some promotional and unreferenced sections have been removed. Only the listing section needs more reference. I'm off to go to another RD project, so if someone would continue the referencing process it will be appreciated (p.s. don't use rsh-p.com as a reference since it's their website). --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support - Barely meets ITN quality standards for RD. We generally should not rely on mass pruning of articles to meet ITN posting standards, but whatever the current consensus is on that, this article now seems to be suitable for posting. Hectoring and haranguing will never get a subpar article posted any faster.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article has been greatly improved. Thriley (talk) 04:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article looks great now. Nice work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Good work, indeed. --PFHLai (talk) 22:53, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sayaka Kanda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Japan Today, The Independent
Credits:
- Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 24.102.128.88 (talk · give credit), Skiate (talk · give credit) and 2600:1700:A3F2:300:84D:59D:94BE:A745 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Singer and voice artist (e.g. voice of Anna in Japanese version of "Frozen"). Seriously popular (page had nearly 70,000 hits yesterday!). Fram (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Please be reminded that Discography and Filmography sections should be fully referenced. --PFHLai (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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