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Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 21

Drangue

• ... that in the Albanian folklore a drangue is a a semi-human winged warrior?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by ZjarriRrethues (talk) at 19:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Edward Richardson

• ... that Edward Richardson (pictured) was the first person to built a rail tunnel through the side of an extinct volcano?

• Comment: Moved into mainspace on 21 March 2010 (UTC).

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

James Walker (Royal Navy officer)

• ... that despite being dismissed from the navy for disobeying orders, James Walker returned to fight at Camperdown and Copenhagen, and died a rear-admiral?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

El Jaleo

• ... that the painting El Jaleo by John Singer Sargent is installed in a room constructed especially for it at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston?

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

K.D. Kilpatrick

• ... that Louisiana State Senator K.D. Kilpatrick of Ruston began working as a teenager in his family mortuary business after his father was felled by a stroke?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Marcus R. Clark

• ... that Louisiana Supreme Court Justice Marcus R. Clark began his career in the legal system as a sheriff's detective in Monroe, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT:...that Marcus R. Clark was elected in 2009 to the Louisiana Supreme Court though he had years earlier been sanctioned by that body for backlogged cases as a district judge?

Jacob Kamm House

• ... that the first mansion in Portland, Oregon was the Jacob Kamm House?

Created by Tedder (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 14:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Kamm House quoining

• ALT1: ... that the Jacob Kamm House in Portland, Oregon was built with wooden siding and quoining to imitate stone? tedder (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Treaty of Novgorod (1557)

• ... that the "father of the Finnish written language" died when returning from the Treaty of Novgorod (1557)?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 14:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Periyachi

• ... that Tamil Hindu parents dedicate their one-month old child to the goddess Periyachi (pictured), who is depicted ripping a woman's womb?

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 14:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Boltongate

• ... that the architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner described All Saints Church, Boltongate (pictured) as "one of the architectural sensations of Cumberland"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 12:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Golm War Cemetery

• ... that the sculpture of a freezing woman (pictured) at the Golm War Cemetery wasn’t erected for more than 30 years because it didn’t match the artistic perceptions of the East German party line?

Created/expanded by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Protestant church of Jistrum

… that the church of Jistrum once was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter but was cleansed from Saint statues and painted/decorated walls in one week in 1581 during the protestant reformation and became a Protestant church.

"cleansed" is a bit much.--Wetman (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1… that the church of Jistrum once was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter but was stripped from Saint statues and painted/decorated walls in one week in 1581 during the protestant reformation and became a Protestant church.

ALT2… that the church of Jistrum was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter until the protestant reformation when in one week all Saint statues and painted/decorated walls where removed and over painted and the church became a Protestant church.

Does this sound better?Pindanl (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Forests of Syria

• ... that the forest surface of Syria has been reduced from an initial amount of 20,000 square kilometres (7,700 sq mi) in 1911 to 4,500 square kilometres (1,700 sq mi) at the present time?

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 08:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• How could "initial" identify the forest cover of Syria in 1911 after millennia of deforestation?--Wetman (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

San Antonio Bay

• ... that knowledge of a pass from the mainland of Texas to Matagorda Island off the waters of San Antonio Bay, was secretly kept by the Karankawa Indians from the Europeans?

5x expanded by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 08:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Feel Good Hit of the Summer

• ... that the band Queens of the Stone Age were kicked out of a rehab clinic for beginning their set with drug anthem "Feel Good Hit of the Summer"?

5x expanded by Red157 (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Max van Egmond

• ... that Max van Egmond recorded the bass arias of Bach's St. Matthew Passion with Claudio Abbado and the words of Jesus with Gustav Leonhardt?

• Comment: Good on Good Friday 2 April

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 07:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

File:Pagan-Buphaya-pagoda-entrance-Dec-2000-00.JPG

Bupaya Pagoda

• ... that Bupaya Pagoda (pictured), located in Bagan in Myanmar on the bank of Ayeyarwady River, built by the third King of Pagan Pyusawdi who ruled from 168 to 243 AD, has a bulbous shaped dome?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 06:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos cacomorphus

• ... that the specific name of the small shrub Adenanthos cacomorphus, meaning 'ugly form', relates to its allegedly "misshapen" pollen grains?

Created by Casliber (talk), Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 06:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Neuromance

• ... that Dope Stars Inc.'s debut album, Neuromance, was originally titled "New Breed of Digital Fuckers" before their record label encouraged the band to change the title?

Created by GroundZ3R0 002 (talk). Nominated by GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) at 06:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Old Hansen Planetarium

• ... that the Old Hansen Planetarium served as the main branch of the Salt Lake City Public Library system from 1905 to 1964?

Created by Dudemanfellabra (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 20

Food

• ... that certain tastes are a result of natural selection?

5x expanded by Tommy2010 (talk). Nominated by Tommy2010 (talk) at 03:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• It looks like you made some improvements to the article on food recently, but in order to qualify for DYK, an article needs to have been created or expanded by a factor of 5X in the past 5 days. Also, for future reference, DYK noms should be linked in the hook. James McBride (talk) 04:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

André Bouchard

• ... that Canadian landscape ecologist André Bouchard used notarized acts to determine the composition of southern Quebec forests at the time of colonization?

Created by Circeus (talk). Self nom at 02:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Italian battleship Re Umberto

• ... that the Italian pre-dreadnought battleship Re Umberto was modified in 1918 in preparation for her role as the lead ship in the planned attack on the main Austro-Hungarian naval base at Pola?

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 01:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Rag Shankara, Rag Mala in Jogia

• ... that the ragas in Indian musician Ram Narayan's album Rag Shankara, Rag Mala in Jogia were named for a gentle incarnation of the Hindu deity Shiva and the yogi practice?

• ALT1:... that Indian musician Ram Narayan's album Rag Shankara, Rag Mala in Jogia includes a raga mala ("garland of ragas") based on the meditative early morning raga Jogia?
• ALT2:... that Indian musician Ram Narayan's album Rag Shankara, Rag Mala in Jogia was praised for showcasing the "delicate tone" and "seductive lyricism" of the instrument sarangi?

Created by Hekerui (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Anzhela Kravchenko

• ... that Ukrainian sprinter Anzhela Kravchenko has more national titles in the 100 and 200 metres than double world champion Zhanna Pintusevich-Block?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Lado Ketskhoveli

• ... that Lado Ketskhoveli was a revolutionary who first introduced Stalin to Marxism?

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Donner Party

• ... that the consequences of the Donner Party were insignificant in the overall scheme of westward migration in the U.S., but it endures in history for the chief attribute that cannibalism was practiced?

Created/expanded by User:Moni3 (talk), User:Karanacs (talk), User:Malleus Fatuorum (talk). Nominated by Moni3 (talk), User:Karanacs (talk), User:Malleus Fatuorum (talk) at 19:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that of the 87 original members of the Donner Party, only 45 of them survived, the majority of whom were women?

• ALT2 ... that the three primary factors to survival in the Donner Party were age, sex, and the size of each person's family group?

• ALT3 ... that the survivors of the Donner Party were inconsistent with their admissions that they cannibalized other members for many years following the event?

This hook is what you call an exercise in redundancy. Still, the article was expanded by 10x. So... Plus, I don't know how to do multiple authors. Credit all three, please. Aaannnd I have no idea what rollover text is. --Moni3 (talk) 19:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

All looks good, AGF on offline refs, but hook is, as stated above, rather redundant. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs/^Vote! 19:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Can something be made out of this for April Fools' Day? Ucucha 21:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not! I cannot stress how serious I am about this. This article was absolutely brutal to research. Do not use the facts in this article for a punchline. Do not do it. In fact, if you consider this, I will remove the article. I swear to God. Read the damn thing. It's not funny. --Moni3 (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Moni, your edit summary made me come take a look. I agree completely; this subject doesn't belong on April Fool's Day. There's nothing funny about this topic whatsoever. (On the other hand, if you all nominated it for GA, I'd love to run that review.) Bradjamesbrown (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

(ec) Ucucha, not to be rude, but what could you possibly think was funny here? --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

On April Fools' Day, Wikipedia features topics that while true are hard to believe, and some aspects of this topic seemed fit for that. But I also see how featuring this on April Fools' Day would be considered insensitive, and I wouldn't want to go against the wishes of the person who actually did the work for this no doubt soon-to-be featured article. Ucucha 22:28, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The Donner Party is famous enough that it wouldn't deceive anybody anyway. Steve Smith (talk) 22:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely, this is a great article indeed. Perhaps it should go straight to FA and skip the whole GAN process. --William S. Saturn (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Republican Socialist Party

• ... that a 1889 trial against cadres of the Belgian Republican Socialist Party revealed that most leaders of the party were in fact agent provocateurs paid by the government?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Petr Zenkl

• ... that Czech politician Petr Zenkl, who survived two Nazi concentration camps, was forced to escape to the West after communists took power in Czechoslovakia by coup d'état in 1948?

Created by Darwinek (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Edithvale-Seaford Wetlands

• ... that the Edithvale-Seaford Wetlands regularly support 1% of the Sharp-tailed Sandpiper population of the East Asian – Australasian Flyway?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• This could easily have a picture. How about ALT1... that the Edithvale-Seaford Wetlands regularly support 1% of the East Asian – Australasian Flyway's population of the Sharp-tailed Sandpiper (pictured)?

StAnselm (talk) 04:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Yalbugha Mosque

• ... that the Yalbugha Mosque, built in 1264 by Mamluk princes, was described as one of the most famous, influential and beautiful mosques in Damascus, Syria?

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 09:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Welgelegen, Heerenveen

• ... that Welgelegen (or Tjepkema's Molen) (pictured) is the only survivor of seventeen windmills to have stood in Heerenveen, Friesland, the Netherlands since the 15th century?

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 09:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

FV103 Spartan

• ... that the FV103 Spartan armoured personnel carrier has been used by British Armed Forces to transport small specialized teams?

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 07:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

High Desert (Oregon)

• ... that a 1996 National Geographic magazine geography map of the United States labeled the High Desert region of southeast Oregon (pictured) as the Great Sandy Desert?

• Comment: Hook source: Oregon History Project

5x expanded by Orygun (talk). Nominated by Orygun (talk) at 02:54, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

L'Affranchissement

• ... that the association l'Affranchissement, founded in 1854, was the first rationalist organization in Belgium?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Olena Krasovska

• ... that Olena Krasovska ran the fastest 100 metres hurdles race (12.45 seconds) by an athlete representing Ukraine, but despite this she does not hold the Ukrainian record?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

German submarine U-771

• ... that while she never sank any vessels in her career, U-771 shot down a British B-24 Liberator aircraft?

Created by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 00:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 19

Herb Graver

• ... that Herb Graver (pictured) set a record with five touchdowns in a Michigan-Ohio State game and later became sales manager for a tank company?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 16:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Linheraptor

• ... that the holotype specimen of the dinosaur Linheraptor is one of few nearly complete dromaeosaurid skeletons, worldwide?

Created by Wilhelmina Will (talk); expanded by Wilhelmina Will, (talk)HongQiGong (talk), MWAK (talk), J. Spencer (talk). Self nom. Oh no! It's not here!!! (talk) 09:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Erythrina velutina

• ... that the tree Erythrina velutina (inflorescence pictured) can make mice and rats sleepy and is the only Erythrina species pollinated by a lizard, the Noronha skink?

Created by Ucucha (talk), Casliber (talk), Guettarda (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Marcus Larson

• ... that Marcus Larson, a highly successful 19th-century painter from Sweden, worked for a saddle maker before becoming an artist?

Created by Theleftorium (talk). Nominated by Theleftorium (talk) at 21:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

List of international cricket centuries by Viv Richards

• ... that Sir Viv Richards scored the fastest century in Test cricket, taking just 56 balls to reach his hundred against England in 1986?

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• No link to the article in the hook! I must be there in bold. Shivashree · talk 03:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Wow, I wasn't tired at all when I did this, was I? No wonder the words were swimming in front of my eyes when I tried to read my book afterwards! Fixed. Harrias (talk) 12:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos cuneatus

• ... that Adenanthos cuneatus has been called Sweat Bush, from the alleged propensity of horses to break out in a sweat after eating it?

• Comment: looking for an image cool...Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Not any more yer not. Hesperian 14:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 20:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Feature-oriented domain analysis

• ... that feature models, initially conceived by feature-oriented domain analysis, are characterized as "the greatest contribution of domain engineering to software engineering"?

Created by Shirik (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Need Your Love So Bad

• ... that the much recorded blues song, "Need Your Love So Bad", has often been accredited to the wrong songwriter?

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 20:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Ananda Temple

• ... that the Ananda Temple (pictured) in Bagan, Myanmar with four standing Buddhas facing the cardinal directions, is said to be an architectural wonder titled the "West Minister Abbey of Burma"?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 20:24, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Good work over all. Expansion verified, more than x10. Reference checked from Google books. Ready to go. Shivashree · talk 04:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks. Will you please consider an alternate img of Buddha (pictured) from the article to be part of the hook?--Nvvchar (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

The Master of Game

• ... that The Master of Game is considered to be the first English language book on hunting?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 18:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Blazed Alder Creek

• ... that Blazed Alder Creek, which supplies part of the drinking water for Portland, Oregon, was named for a 24-inch (61 cm) blazed (marked) alder tree used as a benchmark for early watershed surveys?

Created by Finetooth (talk). Self nom at 17:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Parallel compression

• ... that New York-based mix engineer Michael Brauer uses five compressors in his parallel compression method, to achieve the desired vocal sound for The Rolling Stones, KT Tunstall and Coldplay?

• Comment: For some reason, DYK check returns the result that this article was not expanded 5x in the last 10 days. I just expanded it from a 629-character stub to 4164 characters of readable prose—an expansion of 6.6x.

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Ah, looks like DYK check has straightened itself out—it now accepts the expansion. Binksternet (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Green glazed pottery of Atzompa, Santa María Atzompa

• ... that despite Dolores Porras’ innovations with the green glazed pottery tradition of Santa María Atzompa, she is poor and relies on depends on her family economically?

• Comment: Green glazed pottery of Atzompa is a new article from 18 March. Santa María Atzompa is 5x expanded

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 15:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Union Avenue Historic Commercial District

• ... that the Union Avenue Historic Commercial District in Pueblo, Colorado has been the boundary for 5 separate nations?

Created by Hell in a Bucket (talk). Self nom at 15:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Needs wikilinks in the hook, but before anyone checks it's much too old: mostly expanded months ago.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 15:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I have corrected the no wikilinks issue. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Laptodora

• ... that Leptodora is the largest planktonic cladoceran, and probably the only cladoceran to have been described in a newspaper?

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Neville McNamara

• ... that Neville McNamara (pictured) was only the second RAAF officer to be promoted Air Chief Marshal, and the last Chief of the Air Staff to be knighted before Australia abandoned imperial honours?

5x expanded by Ian Rose (talk), Oliver Nouther (talk). Nominated by Ian Rose (talk) at 09:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Online ref confirms hook. Length and date okay. Image was taken in Australia before 1955 so it is public domain. I have changed the status from stub to start. Ready to go! Binksternet (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Domain engineering

• ... that effective use of domain engineering concepts like the use of domain-specific languages can reduce code size by over 50%?

5x expanded by Shirik (talk). Self nom at 08:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps it would be better to wikilink the word "code": ... that effective use of domain engineering concepts like the use of domain-specific languages can reduce code size by over 50%? --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 19:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Eyewall replacement cycle

• ... that as Hurricane Katrina approached New Orleans it underwent an eyewall replacement cycle that caused it to decrease in intensity but increase in diameter?

Created by Atmoz (talk). Nominated by Atmoz (talk) at 03:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

American Civil War medicine

• ... that during the American Civil War, both the Union and the Confederacy developed new medical programs to treat sick and injured soldiers?

5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 00:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Someone might be able to make that more interesting, feel free to do so. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 00:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

It's A Crime, Mr. Collins

• ... that the 1956 radio program It's A Crime, Mr. Collins was "a flagrant rip-off of The Adventures of the Abbotts in which only the names had been changed"?

Created by Accounting4Taste (talk). Self nom at 03:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 18

South Leith Parish Church

• ... that the name of a character in Treasure Island was taken from a pew in South Leith Parish Church?

• Comment: If you like it as an April 1 hook then please move it, else I'll write a more normal hook Victuallers (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• (alt)... that Robert Louis Stevenson took a pew from South Leith Parish Church? Victuallers (talk) 17:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

First Presbyterian Church (Columbia, South Carolina)

• ... that U.S. President Woodrow Wilson's parents are buried in the cemetery of the First Presbyterian Church in Columbia, South Carolina?

Created by Bradjamesbrown (talk), Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Silent speech interface

• ... that a silent speech interface enables people to talk without making speech sounds, or those with laryngectomies to speak after losing their voice?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Nominated by LittleHow (talk) at 09:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• (April 1 Alt) ..... that this will "Read my lips"? Victuallers (talk) 17:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Orris S. Ferry

• ... that Senator Orris S. Ferry, who served as a brigadier general in the American Civil War, died of a rare spinal disease that deteriorated his spine?

5x expanded by Lordoliver (talk). Self nom at T22:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Poss. ALT

• ... that when the regiment that was intended to be led by Samuel Colt fell through, General Orris S. Ferry took command, reorganized the regiment, and eventually became a Senator? Lord Oliver ^{The Olive Branch} 00:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Tryon's raid

• ... that in his 1779 raid, British General William Tryon destroyed 83 houses, two churches, and a jail in Fairfield, Connecticut?

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Rapid Lake, Quebec

• ... that the traditional oral rules for leadership selection at the Rapid Lake Indian reserve (Quebec, Canada) were put down in writing for the first time in 1996?

Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Lacey Brown

• ... that Megan Joy (pictured) made it to the semi-finals of the eighth season of American Idol after winning a sing-off against future ninth season finalist Lacey Brown?

Created by Banananana88 (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: article is at AFD. Materialscientist (talk) 04:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Passes criteria #9 and #12 of WP:MUSIC.--Banananana88 (talk) 05:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

We just need to wait till the debate closes and then we can re-assess if the community views it as a keep at AFD. Stay tuned Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Rugby-Bundesliga 2009–10

• ... that in the 2009–10 Rugby-Bundesliga season, with the Rugby Club Luxembourg, a team from Luxembourg competes in the German 2nd Rugby-Bundesliga?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Nominated by Calistemon (talk) at 03:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Konstantin Bozveliev

• ... that Konstantin Bozveliev became the first socialist to be elected mayor in Bulgaria in 1908?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 01:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Photo added (thanks to User:TodorBozhinov). --Soman (talk) 16:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Bonnie McCarroll

• ... that the tragic death of Bonnie McCarroll at the 1929 Pendleton Round-Up led to the cancellation of women's bronc riding from rodeo competititon?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The Jawa Report

• ... that citizen volunteers at The Jawa Report notified the FBI about the threat posed by Jihad Jane

Created by Epeefleche (talk). Nominated by Epeefleche (talk) at 21:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Firmat

• ... that a swing in a children's playground in Firmat, Argentina led police to call scientists who were left "baffled"?

5x expanded by The Phantom In Church (talk). Self nom at T21:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• No 5x expansion since Oct. 2008, no 1500 characters of prose. Certainly a city of this size should have plenty of info to expand the article far beyond the stub it is now... -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Cape Sparrow

• ... that the Cape Sparrow (pictured) successfully competes with its introduced relative, the House Sparrow?

• Comment: Some more high-quality images are at commons:Category:Passer melanurus.

5x expanded by Innotata (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, but the picture is not a very attractive one and I suggest you substitute one of the others. Gatoclass (talk) 09:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

This is probably the best. I've added it in the infobox, and it is a quality picture on the commons. Two images of the female are usable, and I may make some usable crops. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 14:31, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I thought the one with the two sparrows was one of the better images in the gallery. Gatoclass (talk) 11:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Wilbrahams Cricket Club

• ...that Wilbrahams Cricket Club finished in 8th position in the Cambridgeshire Cricket Association Senior Div 1 after previously securing 3 successive promotions?

Created by BurtonH0123 (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Only 876 characters of readable prose and subject appears to fail the notability guideline for cricket clubs at WP:CRIN. See this discussion. – ukexpat (talk) 21:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Article now PRODded. – ukexpat (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Portrait of Angel Fernandez de Soto

• ...that the Portrait of Angel Fernandez de Soto, by Pablo Picasso, is the most highly estimated work of art to be offered at an auction in Europe?

Created by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• verified. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 14:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hexis Racing

• ... that in only their third year of involvement in the series, Hexis Racing (car pictured) won the FIA GT3 European Teams Championship in 2009?

Created by The359 (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• All good. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The Natural Order

• ... that Tracy Jordan plays an actual race card in the 30 Rock episode "The Natural Order"?

5x expanded by Staxringold (talk). Nominated by Staxringold (talk) at 19:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:...that Jack Donaghy calls the state of Florida "America's Australia" in the 30 Rock episode "The Natural Order"?

• The hooks are kind of "meh", but I suppose they're all right. I couldn't really find anything better in the article. Out of the two you gave here, I prefer ALT1. NW (Talk) 01:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Volta Laboratory and Bureau

The 1893 Volta Bureau building in Washington, D.C.

• ... that Alexander Graham Bell's Volta Laboratory, funded by France's Volta Prize, invented the world's first non-electrical radiophones and tape recorders during the 1880s?

5x expanded by Harryzilber (talk). Nominated by Harryzilber (talk) at 19:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nice additions, but no 5-fold expansion in last 5 days (gradual expansion since Dec. 2009). -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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Sexual Healing (South Park)

• ... that the South Park episode "Sexual Healing" parodied the recent sex scandal surrounding golf pro Tiger Woods, and satirized the media attention it generated?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 15:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• • If we base the expansion off of the revision prior to your first edit, it's not quite a fivefold expansion (needs 13585 B of prose). However, since the article was only created on March 15, it still qualifies as new. Date, size, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Gandan Sumtseling Monastery

• ... that the Fifth Dalai Lama established the Gandan Sumtseling Monastery (pictured) in Zhongdian, Yunnan in China in 1679, which is a fusion of the Tibetan and Han Chinese architecture?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 10:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• - I checked the bit about the fifth dalai lama so

• ... that the Fifth Dalai Lama established the Gandan Sumtseling Monastery (pictured) in Zhongdian, Yunnan in China in 1679? Victuallers (talk) 12:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Utility room

• ... that the Chicago Tribune reported that the laundry room was commonly being referred to the utility room already, in a September 30, 1970 publication?

5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 05:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• This is problematic. This is a paid-access citation but I would expect it to be an article about utility rooms becoming more popular than laundry rooms, not about language change as the Wikipedia article seems to claim. Utility rooms (by that name) were a common feature of houses where I grew up in Middle America. Rmhermen (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) .... and if I wanted etymology I think I'd go to wiktionary as the article advertises. Its an unusual subject for an encyclopedia Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

My apologies if I was confused about the rules of DYK. I followed this which is why I nominated it. Anyway please let me know if i missed anything from the rules. I'd sure gladly learn from my misses, if any. --TitanOne (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

John Toner

• ... that, unable to reach the university president, athletic director John Toner unilaterally accepted an invitation for the Connecticut Huskies to become a founding member of the Big East Conference?

Created by Grondemar (talk). Nominated by Grondemar (talk) at 04:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article moved from userspace on March 18. –Grondemar 04:10, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Kamm

• ... that Jacob Kamm died in 1912, having been an "invalid" after being hit by a bicyclist in Portland, Oregon in 1907?

5x expanded by Tedder (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion (354B to 2723B) tedder (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

...(alt) that steamboat and railway investor, Jacob Kamm, died five years after being hit by a cyclist? - Say who he is and don't include every detail? Victuallers (talk) 12:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article says that he was born in 1823, and 75 years old in 1907? So, he was probably 84 when hit by a cyclist and died at 89. What's so remarkable about that? -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:26, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• He died because of being hit by a bicycle, which seems remarkable. tedder (talk) 02:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• It does not seem 'remarkable' to me that someone dies at the age of 89, some five years after being squished by a bicycle. More remarkable that he lived that long. However, please do not let my cynicism devalue this article's chances. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, based on age. But it's the most notable thing I could really find on Kamm for the DYK. And pedestrian-bicyclist incidents aren't considered as dangerous as other activities, like under water basket freediving. tedder (talk) 03:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Button

• ... that clothing buttons have been used to smuggle drugs (since the seventeenth century) and to house miniature working compasses (during World Wars I & II)? (or shorter version: "that clothing buttons have been used to house miniature working compasses and to smuggle drugs?")

5x expanded by TyrS (talk). Nominated by TyrS (talk) at 05:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 17

Ian Axford

• ... that the New Zealand space scientist Ian Axford was a director at the Geraman Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy

Created by Kiwipat (talk), Stone (talk). Nominated by Stone (talk) at 14:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Perugia Papacy

• ... that Gérard du Puy is said to have destroyed three papal tombs in Perugia (surviving tomb of Benedict XI pictured)?

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 08:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• text I can find in cited ref says "Their original monuments had probably been [missing word?] during the depredations of the papal legate" - so I'm willing to concede that the missing word in the ref is destroyed... but the hook lost the "probably". I've put it back in and you can use this Victuallers (talk) 15:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Portrait of an Unknown Woman

• ... that Russian artist Ivan Kramskoi's 1883 Portrait of an Unknown Woman (pictured) caused a sensation when first exhibited, as critics assumed that the woman was of ill repute, and described her as "a coquette in a carriage" and "one of the offspring of big cities" ?

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• You have a couple of unreferenced paragraphs in there, including the statements about the woman possibly being the artist's lover, which really needs to be cited. Gatoclass (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Walsh-Kaiser Company

• ... that the Walsh-Kaiser Company shipyard was originally run by a company that had no shipbuilding expertise?

5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 03:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Couldn't confirm hook from source. Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh well, I'll change it then.

• ALT1:...that after the original owner of the Walsh-Kaiser Company shipyard showed incompetence, a shipbuilding and a construction company were brought in to finish the job?

Pitcher (container)

• ... that the word "pitcher" comes from the 13th century Middle English word picher, which means earthen jug ?

5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• No 5-fold expansion since Feb. 27 (1301 x 5 = 6509). -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Article was expanded from 198B of Prose to 1681. Please check here. We're you pertaining to Page size? The rule says prose size. --TitanOne (talk) 18:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Titan is correct, the prose has been expanded significantly, far more than 5x. DYK does not go by byte size, as that can be misconstrued by references and other things in the article. All that is cared about is the size of the actual prose. Silverseren^C 19:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Ethics AdviceLine for Journalists

• ... that the Ethics AdviceLine for Journalists has dealt with over 600 cases since it began in 2001?

Created by E2eamon (talk). Self nom at 00:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Las Damas Romanas

• ... that the Christie’s auction house gave Juan Luna’s painting Las Damas Romanas (The Roman Maidens) (pictured) a price tag of $1 million to $1.2 million?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• .(alt).. that since its rediscovery in 2008, the estimated value of Juan Luna’s painting Las Damas Romanas (The Roman Maidens) (pictured) has varied from 10,000 Euros to $1.2 million?

• Comment: The values should be in the same currency, no? – ukexpat (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know who suggested the (alt). It was unsigned. But you can correct it. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Annunciation to the shepherds

• ... that the phrase "Peace on earth, good will to men" derives from the Annunciation to the shepherds (pictured), but reflects a dispute over a single letter in the Greek text of the New Testament?

Created by Radagast3 (talk). Self nom at 23:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: ...that the Annunciation to the shepherds (pictured) became an independent topic for art in the 9th century? -- Radagast3 (talk) 02:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• Both hooks check out, date and length are fine. I prefer the original hook, and at 194 characters, it just comes under the maximum length. "Earth" should have a small "e", though. StAnselm (talk) 05:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Radagast3 (talk) 05:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Tetarteron and Histamenon

• ... that the Byzantine emperor Nikephoros II allegedly insisted for taxes to be paid in the full-weight histamenon gold coin (pictured), but only paid back in the lighter tetarteron?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the Byzantine emperor Nikephoros II allegedly insisted that taxes be paid in the full-weight histamenon gold coin (pictured), but refunded only in the lighter tetarteron? – ukexpat (talk) 02:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Washington Bottom Farm

• ... that in 1861 during the American Civil War, Confederate General Turner Ashby had his headquarters at Washington Bottom Farm, which he named "Camp Washington"?

5x expanded by Caponer (talk). Nominated by Caponer (talk) at 17:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the owner of Washington Bottom Farm, gentleman farmer George William Washington (1809–1876), was the son of Edward Washington, a descendant of a brother of President of the United States George Washington? --Caponer (talk) 18:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• ALT2:... that Captain Richard Ashby, the brother of Confederate General Turner Ashby, was mortally wounded in battle and died in the ballroom at Washington Bottom Farm? --Caponer (talk) 18:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Villa de Zaachila

• ... that in Villa de Zaachila, Mexico, the weekly tianguis or open air market has changed little over the centuries and the Zapotec language can still be heard ?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Seems good. 5x expansion. Age OK anyone speak Spanish to check hook? Victuallers (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Sera Chöding Hermitage

• ...that in the Sera Chöding Hermitage (pictured) in Lhasa, Tibet according to a local legend, the ‘local site-spirit’ (gzhi bdag) used to enter through a small window to meet Tsongkhapa?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 11:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Alt Hook:... that in the Sera Chöding Hermitage (pictured) in Lhasa, Tibet legend linked to a fresco of Tsongkhapa on a wall mentions of a speaking-statue, an “image that speaks” (gsung byon ma)?

Green Mada’in Association for Agricultural Development

• ...that the Green Mada’in Association for Agricultural Development is an agricultural cooperative in Iraq that is building greenhouses and drip irrigation systems in the Mada’in Qada region?

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:...that the agricultural cooperative Green Mada’in Association for Agricultural Development is the largest U.S. funded agricultural project in Iraq?

Valentine Kiss and Sayuri Kokushō

• ... that Sayuri Kokushō's 1986 debut single, Valentine Kiss, is the most popular Valentine's Day song in Japan, despite selling only 317,000 copies?

Created by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 08:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I just created the Sayuri Kokushō article as well, so can this be a double article DYK? I've never done one of those, so I'm not sure how that works. I'll be continuing to expand the Sayuri Kokushō article today, as well, so it will have even more information. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• You can just add the second article; no problem. Ucucha 22:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Okay, cool. I've adjusted the header, too. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:39, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Norrie May-Welby

• ... that in March 2010 Australia became the first country in the world to officially recognise a 'non-specified' gender, when Norrie May-Welby was found to be neither a man nor a woman?

Created by Mais oui! (talk). Nominated by Mais oui! (talk) at 05:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Too short, article needs a minimum of 1500 characters of text, currently only has 837. Gatoclass (talk) 06:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• I have expanded it. Please recheck. Silverseren^C 17:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

for expanded length, at 2425 B (408 words) "readable prose size"; reference checks. I'm not entirely sure if The Scottish Sun meets the sourcing standards of WP:BLP, though. I'm not familiar with it, but it looks a bit tabloidy. If it is, maybe it could be replaced with a more reliable publication? --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 21:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get rid of it, but I did add on the other references that also say the same thing. Silverseren^C 22:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Tom Cruise Purple

• ... that Tom Cruise Purple is a potent strain of cannabis packaged with a picture of actor Tom Cruise?

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Cattle and Cane

• ... that The Go-Betweens' "Cattle and Cane", although selected by Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA) as one of the Top 30 Australian songs of all time, never charted in Australia?

Created by Dan arndt (talk). Self nom at 05:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Grant McLennan wrote The Go-Betweens' "Cattle and Cane" on Nick Cave's guitar, in Cave's London flat, whilst Cave was allegedly comatose due to substance abuse? Dan arndt (talk) 05:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified original hook, can't feature the alt per our BLP rules. Gatoclass (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Orvieto Papacy

• ... that Pope Clement VII built the Pozzo di S. Patrizio (pictured) while taking refuge in Orvieto in 1527 from the Sack of Rome?

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 02:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Source says he took refuge in 1528 and doesn't mention the Sack of Rome. Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggest rephrase: Savidan 08:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• ... that Pope Clement VII built the Pozzo di S. Patrizio (pictured) while taking refuge in Orvieto after the Sack of Rome (1527)?

• Verified alt, image verified as PD. Gatoclass (talk) 08:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge

• ... that the rider who completes the Hoka Hey Motorcycle Challenge in the shortest time will win $500,000 in Alaskan gold? created by User:Beeblebrox 3-17, self nom

• There are no inline citations (including the hook).

I'm not sure what you mean, there are two inline cites in the article, and the basic rules of the challenge are on the official website, which is also linked from the article. Since the hook is based on the official rules it seems verified to me. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

This ref [1] which is attached to the article also mentions the gold. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Alfrredo Navarro Salanga

• ... that the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez was authored by Palanca Awardee Alfrredo Navarro Salanga?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Aside from any other potential issues - I've not reviewed it - this is an incredibly boring hook. Please suggest an ALT. cmadler (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, author of the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was a three-time Palanca Memorial Awardee? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, a three-time Palanca Awardee and author of The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was also known as "Daddy Giant"? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Maurice Sanford Fox

• ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments many years before it became a hot topic?

Created by Pjurgensen (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 16

Wayland Dean

• ... that Baseball Hall of Fame member Mel Ott was struck out in his first at-bat of his Major League Baseball career by pitcher Wayland Dean?

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Votes for Austrian women

• ... that pioneering Austrian feminist Auguste Fickert got involved in politics because of an attempt to disenfranchise all women voters in Lower Austria in 1889?

Created by Lumos3 (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Renaissance Papacy

• ... that there is no evidence that Julius II or Leo X, two Renaissance popes, ever celebrated mass?

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 08:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Harry Crosby

• ... that Harry Crosby, who with his wife Caresse Crosby published early works of struggling writers like James Joyce, T. S. Eliot, and Ezra Pound, committed suicide at age 31 in a pact with his lover?

ALT1 ... that Harry Crosby, who had an open marriage with his wife Caresse Crosby and published early works of struggling writers like James Joyce and Ezra Pound, committed suicide in a pact with his lover?

5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Siege of Leith

• ... that in 1560 the English arrived in Scotland to assist the Scots in removing the French camped at the Siege of Leith?

• Comment: alts welcome

Created by Victuallers (talk), Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk). Self nom at 23:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified, but I think the hook needs to be re-expressed as it's a little ambiguous. Suggest something like:
• ALT1: ... that in 1560 the English helped the Scots lay siege to the French encampment at Leith? Gatoclass (talk) 23:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Thx - happy with alt Victuallers (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Alt hook verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Billie Jean black sequin jacket

• ... that Michael Jackson gave away his signature Billie Jean black sequin jacket on two separate occasions, once in 1983 to Sammy Davis, Jr. for Motown 25, and again in 1984 to a fan at the Victory Tour?

Created by DinhoGauch10 (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1 is 267 characters, exceeding the max. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I think that this would be a better hook because it shows not only Michael’s love for his black sequin jacket, but also his fansDinhoGauch10 (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Article is at AFD here. – ukexpat (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Manawan, Quebec

• ... that the Manawan Indian reserve in the Mauricie region of Quebec, Canada, has had road access only since 1973?

Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

• ... that Bach marked to repeat the opening chorus of cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 after the final chorale?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I have two concerns with this nomination: 1) The article needs to be copyedited (I'm short on time this week or I'd do it myself). 2) Hook fact doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is there something that might be more interesting about this cantata? Maybe that he originally wrote it in C major, moved it to D major with the first revision, and then moved it back to C major? Or something else? If these are addressed, I recommend adding it to the 3/21 holding area for Bach's 325th birthday. cmadler (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook fact may not seem interesting to you but ask the Bach fellows who claim that he would ALWAYS close with a chorale, - compare this from Cantata (highlighted by me): "The essential point, however, in Bach's church cantatas is that they formed part of a church service. Many of Bach's greatest cantatas begin with an elaborate chorus followed by a couple of arias and recitatives, and end with a plain chorale. This has often been commented upon as an example of Bach's indifference to artistic climax in the work as a whole. But no one will maintain this who realizes the place which the church cantata occupied in the Lutheran church service. The text was carefully based upon the gospel or lessons for the day; unless the cantata was short the sermon probably took place after the first chorus or one of the arias, and the congregation joined in the final chorale." So I think the hook is quite a statement. - But I will keep thinking. - The C - D - major thing is simple: tuning was different in Leipzig, so he switched, but then it got too high for the choir, and he switched back. That would be for specialists only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't really think the key was that big a deal, of course the meaning and significance of key and tonality has changed over time and depending on tuning (equal tempered, just tempered, etc.). But without a certain degree of familiarity with Bach's cantatas it's not apparent that closing with a repeat of the opening chorus is remarkable; it's common in many forms of music (and perhaps even in cantatas by other composers?) to conclude with a repetition of the opening, or at least a restatement. Maybe this hook can be reworded, as we did with BWV 191 ("around 200 cantatas in German but only one...in Latin?") to make it clear the degree to which this is unusual? cmadler (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't know immediately a polite way to be more explicit, found that rude enough a way of fighting the so-called "plain chorale". (I don't know a single chorale of Bach - and I know some - that I would describe as "plain".) - I thought about: that Bach loved the piece so much that he still reworked it more than 15 years later, whereas the common thing to do was to compose a new one each year if possible. Would need to be phrased ... ideas welcome for both. (btw I'll be off tomorrow.) o.k. trying one more variation on the theme - and certainly we did the repeat in 2000 and heard interesting comments, nobody believed that it had been Bach himself who wanted it that way, at least in 1714, - no repeat in 1731.:

• ALT1 ... that Bach did not end his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 with the chorale, but marked to repeat the opening chorus afterwards? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• What about ALT2 ... that Bach loved his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 so much that he reworked it three years after writing it and again 14 years after that? --cmadler (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

That's much "hookier" but reads like synthesis. Hekerui (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• If that line, perhaps (because "three years after" is not certain):

ALT3 ... that Bach loved his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years after he composed it in Weimar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• According to the discussion on the work's talk (4 commas in a title?) I changed the title to the hookier and still believe that the title itself is a hook. I didn't change the hook versions above but the title. No link to cantata please - working on it. My next suggestion:

ALT4 ... that Bach wrote Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and loved his cantata so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later?

Timbuwarra

• ... that timbuwarra are sometimes used to teach Wiru boys which hole to aim for during sex so as to avoid causing pregnancy?

Created by Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 02:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

UdiWWW

• ...that UdiWWW was among the first web browsers to support the HTML 3 specification?

• ALT1:...that Bernd Richter abandoned development of the UdiWWW HTML3 web browser following the release of Microsoft's ActiveX Development Kit?

Created by Smallman12q (talk). Nominated by Smallman12q (talk) at 20:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Dorofei

• ... that Dmitry Medvedev's cat Dorofei once got into a fight with Mikhail Gorbachev's cat, and lost?

Created by Russavia (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hilarious! AGF on Russian sources. Found confirmation at Pravda Online, which, however, I don't think is a reliable source, so I didn't add to the article. cmadler (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1

• ... that after losing a fight with Mikhail Gorbachev's cat, Dmitry Medvedev's cat Dorofei was castrated? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 06:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• English source supports both hooks. Prefer ALT1. cmadler (talk) 13:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Cornock

• ... that despite being an Australian, Walter Cornock played both professional football and first-class cricket for English teams?

Created by 8lgm (talk). Self nom at 12:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Martyrs' Lane

• ... that the Martyrs' Lane in Baku, Azerbaijan has dedicated to those killed by the Red Army during Black January and later to those killed in Nagorno-Karabakh War?

5x expanded by User:NovaSkola (talk). Self nom at --NovaSkola (talk) 08:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently only a x3 expansion, needs to be x5 to qualify. Gatoclass (talk) 07:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Otumba de Gómez Farías

• ... that the town of Otumba, Mexico has an annual Donkey Fair where the animals feature in fashion shows and costume contests?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Tyler Seguin

• ... that Tyler Seguin, a center for the Plymouth Whalers won the 2009-10 Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy as the highest scorer in the Ontario Hockey League, with 106 points?

5x expanded by Captain Courageous (talk). Nominated by Captain Courageous (talk) at 03:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Im counting 2664 characters to the created size of 1214 which doesnt qualify under a 5x expansion. Sadly the article was re-created March 4th and posted here March 16th and is more than 5 days old. The last issue is the sourcing provided in the article indicates he is a co-recipient and not the sole winner. I do believe the hook would also require a source indicating that he is the sole winner of the award the way the hook is written, otherwise the hook should mention Taylor Hall as well. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Joseph H. Allen

• ... that Joseph H. Allen, a volunteer infantryman and the 21st supervisor of the Town of Brunswick in New York, was brevetted Lieutenant colonel by Abraham Lincoln in 1865?

Created by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Gowardia

• ... that Gowardia, a lichen found in arctic and alpine tundra on both sides of the world, is named after the lichenologist Trevor Goward?

Created by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Noah Marullo

• ... that British child actor Noah Marullo plays a character with Asperger syndrome on Tracy Beaker Returns, which he feels "helps children understand that everyone is different"?

5x expanded by J Milburn (talk). Nominated by J Milburn (talk) at 00:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 15

Thomas Hengelbrock

• ... that Pina Bausch and conductor Thomas Hengelbrock staged Gluck's Orfeo ed Euridice in Paris and the ancient theater in Epidaurus?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• (tempted to say "legendary choreographer":) ALT1: ... that choreographer Pina Bausch and conductor Thomas Hengelbrock returned the Greek myth of Orpheus as Orfeo ed Euridice from Paris to the ancient theater in Epidaurus? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out. Main biography/career text needs to be edited into two or three fat paragraphs instead of lots of disjointed sets of one or two lines. Relevant citation for hook is number 3, but I can't get it to work; it times out. I'd suggest that shorter simpler hooks are better than complex ones, because they have to quickly catch the eye of the browsing reader - so that means the original hook would be best - if you can sort out a citation that works.--Storye book (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry about the missing citation - was in English with nice pictures. I replaced it by three now, one in English (found last ...) and a preview and a review in German. May be interesting for readers who can understand it, so I left them all. - I tried to divide the section with the bits and pieces but confess that I rarely "met" someone who does so different things (ancient music, contemporary music, stage, concert ...) almost at the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Citation for original hook now OK. Thanks for the update. --Storye book (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Battles of Wenden (1577–1578)

• ... that during the Battles of Wenden (1577–1578), 300 people blew themselves up to escape capture?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 23:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that during the Battles of Wenden (1577–1578), 300 people blew themselves up in Wenden Castle (pictured) to escape capture?
• Date and length check out. Offline reference accepted in AGF. ALT1 is adjusted to fit added image. --Storye book (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and fine with ALT1. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

James Cumming

• ... that Rev. Prof. James Cumming, is known for his entertaining Chemistry lectures in Cambridge University where he was known to electrocute a cat?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 11:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• -I can't find the source for this. Your reference to The 1702 chair of chemistry at Cambridge: transformation and change states page 318, yet the book has 318 pages. Are you sure it is on the last page?Smallman12q (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC) The "318" is the number of pages (pp means pages) - I missed adding p.146 (which I have now added) sorry and thx for review Victuallers (talk) 22:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• The pp paramater isn't meant for that, its meant to indicate multiple pages fro example 5-7, whereas the p paramater is for a single page. I'm not sure if you are aware, but there is a citation tool at http://reftag.appspot.com/ that will make it much much easier to cite google books=P.
• Now as for the source, I looked at page 146, and was a bit perplexed as to the lexical ambiguity of their sentence, despite the fact that this was a Cambridge University Press publication . It states "...and frequently executed a cat with an electric shock." How does one interpret this? Was a cat frequently executed via electrocution in that it had multiple lives...or was it that the professor electrocuted a single cat at a time? Your current phrasing "where he was known to electrocute a cat?" implies that there was a single cat which was electrocuted multiple times by the professor. The text, however, appears to implie that by executing a cat, that he killed one cat each time. This really isn't your fault, but rather the author who introduced lexical ambiguity by using poor grammar.
• There's also the question of "entertaining". The source states that "Cumming literally shocked audiences with an electric shock". Although from a sardonic viewpoint, this could be considered entertaining, I'm not quite sure if "shocking" people would be considered entertainment here on wikipedia...(this is of course debatable).
• It was a most interesting read...to see that a dept. chair would condone and partake in such behavior is indeed of interest=P.
• I hope you do not find me to be an adversary, but here at Wikipedia we do try and strive for accuracy when possible. I cannot rate this DYK nomination because I have edited the article and would not like to create a COI(conflict of interest), however, another editor is free to evaluate this DYK nomination.Smallman12q (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem with the "frequently executed a cat" - as any fule kno you cannot execute an individual cat more than once. Don't see any issue with shocking his audiences either. Sounds quite jolly. DuncanHill (talk) 01:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I have started a thread at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Lexical_Ambiguity.Smallman12q (talk) 01:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook check out. (Review by borzoi owner)--Storye book (talk) 14:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I have only read this thread and haven't seen the article at all, but I oppose the hook, merely because it would naturally induce negative reaction in most readers, not to mention cat lovers. In other words, I don't see a need for selecting negative facts of questionable notability for the main page. Materialscientist (talk) 01:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised by the reaction here. This guy didn't live in our time. Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant as a publicity stunt much later. NASA and other countries put animals on one way trips into space. Some countries still kill human beings for committing crimes. This Professor was demonstrating in a university that electricity kills. If we want to restart the debate then OK. I am not totally committed to this hook. Propose another maybe. But I am concerned that we are distorting history to suit today's correctness. (btw hooks do not have to be notable, the subject of the article is meant to be notable). Victuallers (talk) 15:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Green Lantern (film)

• ... that the film Green Lantern starring Ryan Reynolds has been in development since 1997 and once included a comedic incarnation with Jack Black set to star?

Created by TriiipleThreat (talk) and Wildroot (talk). Nominated by TriiipleThreat (talk) at 04:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment for reviewers: the page itself was created 2007-11-07 which included a couple of articles that failed WP:NFF but was redirected to Green Lantern in other media#Film until 2010-03-15. The current article created on 2010-03-15 is the first that meets WP:NFF.-TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out. Citation for Jack Black checks out. I cannot find a citation for 1997. Can you help us with this, please? Copying the hook with all relevant citations alongside into main text or header would make life easier for us, and would bring that green tick that much closer. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 14:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Walter Lappert

• ... that Walter Lappert started an ice cream company at age 61, and on Kauai, with a population of only 40,000 people, he sold out his first batch of 17,000 liters in just two weeks in 1983?

Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nice hook, but the source doesn't actually state he sold the whole first batch on Kauai. Gatoclass (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
• Thanks. Sorry for delay in respnding, I'm traveling. The sources do say he sold originally only from his own shops, and that he began with one location at Hanapepe and later other locations on island of Kauai. It is not clear from sources when he began selling beyond Kauai or when (or if) he allowed re-selling through other channels to wider markets. I cannot document the negative--that he did not initially export off-island, which it seems is what you suggest is necessary to make the point, but it seems self-evident that did not happen in the first two weeks of business. Hope this can still be considered. Appreciate the comment.Alawa (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Tambouras

• ... that the tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument, is completely different from the Indian version?

Created by 187.59.18.121 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 22:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 -

• ... that the tambouras, a Greek traditional string instrument of the lute family and ancestor of the bouzouki, features movable frets? - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

As it will appear exotic and interesting to many readers, I would simply state something about the instrument itself. - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I like ALT1, or I see potential for an April Fools Day Tamboura/Tambouras hook. However, the article must have inline citations for DYK; it currently has none. cmadler (talk) 23:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment I agree with ALT 1; I will endeavour to improve the referencing; as it was created by a (changing) IP, I may not be able to contact them to improve references - from discussions with them, I believe that they are going to create an account, so I will try. I will also try and source at least some of it, in-line, myself.  Chzz  ►  23:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed? I have added inline citations to support at least all the facts given in ALT1.  Chzz  ►  00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to point out the inline citation problem as well. The article looks great now (hook fact is sourced). - I.M.S. (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

David Holman

• ... that while working for Jim Henson's company David Holman helped launch the original Muppet Show and went on doing television production for over three decades including soap operas and prime time?

5x expanded by Benjiboi (talk). Self nom at 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• • I'm open to any hook changes. Also [2], [3], and [4] are the direct source links, I think it highlights his last name so not too hard to see. -- Banjeboi 22:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• I cannot see a 5x expansion as from 15 March. It goes from 3114 to 3831 characters. I have not checked the hook.--Storye book (talk) 13:39, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• The article was stubbed down and re-expanded roughly 12x [5]. -- Banjeboi 20:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
• Thank you for that information. I've checked the hook and citation, and it's fine. I agree that you did stub it down to 328 characters, and it's now 3831. This is my first week of reviewing DYK, so as I didn't know that a 5x expansion counted as from a stubbing-down, please forgive me if I ask for a second opinion on this one. Then we all know where we are. Second opinion, please, someone?--Storye book (talk) 08:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

1882–83 West Bromwich Albion F.C. season

• ... that when West Bromwich Albion won a Birmingham Senior Cup match 26–0 in the 1882–83 season, every player except the goalkeeper scored at least once?

Created by Jameboy (talk). Self nom at 22:04, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Confirmed length, article creation, hook length. AGF for offline source. Good hook! cmadler (talk) 23:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Allan Walters

• ... that RAAF pilot Allan Walters (pictured) made use of his aerobatic skills while courting his wife-to-be in 1930, performing stunts above the church where her father was rector?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Nominated by Ian Rose (talk) at 21:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length, image and hook all check out. Nice article.--Storye book (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Toxotes chatareus

• ... that females of the species Toxotes chatareus may lay between 20,000 and 150,000 eggs at a time?

5x expanded by Intelligentsium (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Image probably needs to be cropped to remove the watermark, but I'm not sure how to do that. Intelligentsium 00:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
• Date, length, and refs are good. I'd change the hook to say what this animal is, in case it doesn't get a picture:

• ... that female seven spotted archerfish may lay between 20,000 and 150,000 eggs at a time?

• I also think that as cool as their fecundity is, spitting water at their prey is way cooler. How about a hook like:

• ... that the seven spotted archerfish can hunt terrestrial insects by spitting a stream of water at them to knock them into the water, even when they are up to 1.5 meters away?

Millifolium (talk) 06:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Watermarked images are copyrighted. Cropping the watermark is not a solution.--Wetman (talk) 14:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The copyright holder has licensed the image under a license appropriate for Wikipedia. The terms of that license include permission for the creation of derivative works, such as a version with the watermark cropped away. Ucucha 14:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I removed the watermark. Millifolium (talk) 17:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the fact about spitting water at their prey should be used as the hook, as it was already used in the hook for another species of the same genus, Toxotes jaculatrix or the banded archerfish (which I also wrote). Its fecundity seems to be the next most interesting fact, but I suppose I could add something about its ability to jump out of the water. Intelligentsium 23:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Minuscule 658, Minuscule 659, Minuscule 661

• ... that Minuscule 658, 659, and 661 during the bombing of Berlin were sent out of Berlin for safekeeping, after war they were found in Poland?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 19:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that, during the bombing of Berlin, Minuscule 658, 659 and 661 were sent out of Berlin for safekeeping and were later found in Poland?
• The date is OK for all three articles. The citation for the hook is offline, but could be accepted AGF in my opinion. However a large part of the text in the History section of each article is identical in all three articles. This affects the validity for DYK of all three articles, because none has much more than the required 1500 characters (658 has 2076 characters; 659 has 1690; 661 has 1767). Also the syntax of the hook needs adjusting. If the above problems can be resolved, then I suggest ALT1. If you cannot find replacement text for two of the articles, then I suggest that you adjust the hook/nomination as for one article, and not for all three. --Storye book (talk) 13:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It appears I still do not know all DYK criteria. In all these articles only this part is identical:

At the end of 1943 year has increased the frequency of the bombing of Berlin. The Prussian State Library sent many collections out of Berlin to be sheltered in Silesia for safekeeping. As the result of postwar border changes some of these collections were found in Poland (among them minuscule 658). They were moved to the Jagiellonian University Library.

It has 355 characters. In other parts there are always some differences (shelfnumber). I will try to expand all these articles, if not... is it possible for two articles. I think 'ALT1 is better. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Every of these articles was expanded at least 300 characters. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, also this is identical: "The Greek text of the codex Kurt Aland did not place it in any Category. The text of the manuscript was not examined by using the Wisse's Profile Method." Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:18, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Leszek Jańczuk, for your extra work. As this is my first week of DYK reviewing, I guess we'd better have a second opinion on this one. Second opinion, anyone? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 17:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Causes of the May Revolution

• ... that one of the main causes of the May Revolution could have been when Napoleon crowned his own brother Joseph Bonaparte, as the new Spanish King?

Created/expanded by MBelgrano (talk). Nominated by Venustas 12 (talk) at 17:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Well? Venustas 12 (talk) 04:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
• will someone please say something?Venustas 12 (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Patience, there are a lot of articles requiring attention from the admins. Just by glancing at the article it seems to pass length, cite existence, cite format and date requirements. But your hook fact needs some work. The fact that Napoleon crowned his own brother Joseph Bonaparte as the Spanish King is cited after the sentence in the article but not the second part of the hook that it was "one of the main" causes of the May Revolution. You need to cite right after the sentence where ever in the article it says this. -- Esemono (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Carlbury

• ... that Carlbury hill was the site of an English Civil War battery emplacement for a Royalist contingent at the Battle of Piercebridge?

5x expanded by Storye book (talk). Nominated by Storye book (talk) at 12:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone

• ... that a Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone is a political subdivision of a municipality or county in the state of Texas created to implement tax increment financing?

Created by YixilTesiphon (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and hook check out. However there are only 810 characters of prose, and it needs 1500 for DYK. You still have a few days to do this, if you wish to do so. Please message me on my talk page if/when you've done it, and I'll update the review. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 14

MyTwoCensus

• ... that the idea for MyTwoCensus, a political watchdog of the 2010 U.S. Census, was first conceived by journalist Stephen Robert Morse as he was looking for a job on Craigslist?

Created by 24.132.199.175 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 20:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The Possum

• ...that the Parks and Recreation episode "The Possum" features an opossum that some commentators described as an allegory for capital punishment?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 12:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Cécile DeWitt-Morette

• ... that Cécile DeWitt-Morette founded a summer school in the Alps that hosted two dozen Nobel Prize winners?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• search for "Twenty-four participants" to find the hook fact in ref 2 here Victuallers (talk) 15:46, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Weekend Wogan

• ... that tickets for the first 12 editions of the BBC Radio 2 show Weekend Wogan were sold out within 24 hours?

Created by TheRetroGuy (talk). Nominated by TheRetroGuy (talk) at 12:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that the actor Sir Ian McKellen was the final guest to appear on Parkinson's Sunday Supplement and one of the first on Weekend Wogan, both Sunday morning programmes on BBC Radio 2. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Kevin Reilly (Louisiana politician)

• ... that former State Rep. Kevin P. Reilly, Sr., once told People magazine that all Louisiana residents needed to be contented was "a pickup and a shotgun"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

John Erskine Clarke

• ... that John Erskine Clarke produced the world's first Parish Magazine at Derby in 1859?

Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Leith Hall

• ... that Leith Hall in Aberdeenshire, Scotland is said to be haunted by the ghost of Laird John Leith, who was shot in the head on Christmas Day in 1763 during a drunken brawl?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 21:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The Rosales Saga, Tree (novel), The Pretenders (novel), Mass (novel)

• ... that the novels Tree, The Pretenders, and Mass are parts of F. Sionil José’s (pictured) series The Rosales Saga?

• Comment: Quadrupled hook nominations

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• If this image is used, its alt text needs to be improved to meet the guidelines at WP:ALT. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The Power of Madonna

• ... that Madonna (pictured) licensed her entire music catalogue to the television series Glee, resulting in the tribute episode "The Power of Madonna"?

Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello (Glee)

• ... that Broadway performer Idina Menzel's casting in the Glee episode "Hello" followed a fan campaign based on her resemblance to series star Lea Michele?

Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Karl Ludwig Giesecke

• ... that Karl Ludwig Giesecke (1761–1833) sang at the premiere of Mozart's celebrated opera The Magic Flute, was stranded in Greenland for six years during the Napoleonic Wars and ended his carreer as professor of mineralogy in Dublin?

Self nom by hhbruun (although the article has been substantially expanded by Opus33) at 19:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery

• ... that both Taklung Monastery and Riwoche Monastery belong to the Kagyu sect of Tibetan Buddhism?

Created by John Hill (talk), Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 14:24, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Throne of God

• ...that Jewish, Christian and Muslim scriptures all make repeated references to the Throne of God in the Seven Heavens? Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 01:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Treaty of Seringapatam, Third Anglo-Mysore War

• ... that under the terms of the Treaty of Seringapatam, which ended the Third Anglo-Mysore War in 1792, Tipu Sultan was required to surrender two of his sons as hostages of war?

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Note Treaty of Seringapatam is new; Third Anglo-Mysore War is 5x expansion. Magic♪piano 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Neville Bertie-Clay

• ... that Neville Bertie-Clay developed the soft pointed dum dum bullet for the British Army in 1896 in response to the lower stopping power of the Lee-Metford bullet then in use?

5x expanded by Dumelow (talk). Nominated by Dumelow (talk) at 12:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Looking good, but i think it is a little awkward to say, here and in article, that it was "in response to" the lower stopping power of the other bullet. The other bullet wasn't lower than this one, until this one was created. It was in response to perceived inadequacy / ineffectiveness of the other bullet in colonial warfare perhaps. So some rewording would help. Also interesting DYK-like factoid in article that the bullet was only to be used in colonial warfare, not against Europeans. --doncram (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

How about: "... that the dum dum bullet invented by Neville Bertie-Clay was used by the British Army against African and Asian opponents but was considered "too cruel" for use against Europeans?". Or else slightly changing the original to: "... that Neville Bertie-Clay developed the dum dum bullet for the British Army in 1896 as the Lee-Metford bullet then in use was perceived to have a low stopping power?" - Dumelow (talk) 11:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Drs. Foster & Smith

• ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?

• Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today

Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• How about something like: ALT1 "That Drs. Foster & Smith, a successful pet supply company, spent no money advertising its website, despite competitor Pets.Com's spending millions on its way to bankruptcy in 2000?" About review, I suggest your requesting a wp:PR after DYK is published. I'll comment at Talk page of article about one matter, briefly. --doncram (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'd prefer the original. The Drs. Foster & Smith doesn't actually say Pets.com was spending its way to bankruptcy (and the situation was a bit more complicated that just overspending). I'd prefer to keep the article (and hook) focused on F&S rather than go on a tangent as to why Pets.com failed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• Okay to keep focus on Drs. Foster & Smith, and my proposed alt hook was not perfect either. I was bothered, i guess, by vagueness of "initially" and "the same year as" in the proposed hook. Why not give a specific year. How long is initially, anyhow? For one week? For two years? I am not sure any specific length of time is given in the source, either, which seemed a bit vague when i looked for it the other day. I also don't know if the company actually "refused" to web-advertise. Did someone ask them too, and they actually said no? Or is it just observed that they didn't advertise. And does the source actually know that they did not advertise. There are advertising monitoring services which track/estimate advertising dollars spent by companies in various media; I don't think the source cited mentioned checking in one of those, or otherwise stating the reason for its assertion that the company didn't web-advertise. Maybe I am being too literal though. Perhaps another DYK reviewer would/could check and approve of this one. --doncram (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• All valid points. To address most of them, perhaps ALT2: that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, elected not to spend any money on internet advertising when it launched online operations in 1998, the same year as Pets.com was founded?

Alternatively, a different fact can be chosen:

• ALT3: that Drs. Foster & Smith owns the two most widely distributed pet product catalogs in the United States?
• ALT4: that Race Foster and Marty Smith, co-founders of pet supply company Drs. Foster & Smith, hosted the Animal Planet TV show Faithful Friends for two years?

--ThaddeusB (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Into Temptation (film)

• ... that writer/director Patrick Coyle first publicly showed his 2009 film Into Temptation at the hospice where his father stayed?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 04:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Erioderma pedicellatum

• ... that the boreal felt lichen (pictured), one of the most endangered lichens in the world, begins its life by growing inside of the liverwort Frullania asagrayana (also pictured)?

5x expanded by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Made it a double DYK. Millifolium (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Bridge of Flowers (bridge)

• ... that the Bridge of Flowers, originally built as a trolley bridge, was covered in plants after plans for demolition or reuse of the bridge were discouraged due to cost and the use of the bridge as the carrier of a water pipe?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• This is really interesting, and meets the length and article creation requirements. Unfortunately, this article is sourced entirely to the Bridge of Flowers website, which is not a reliable secondary source. Please improve the article sourcing and then this can be used. cmadler (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. I found one sight but it triggered the spam filter, but another one was solid. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• cmadler (talk) 13:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn, per below. cmadler (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

  Hook too long (223 chars, should be within 200) Materialscientist (talk) 11:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that, because it could not be repaired due to the cost, nor removed due to a major water main, a trolley bridge was turned into a garden called the Bridge of Flowers (pictured)? cmadler (talk) 17:24, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Colorado State Highway 35

• ... that Colorado State Highway 35 is so short that two interchanges overlap each other?

Created by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk). Nominated by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk) at 20:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date checks out. The problem is that the DYK checker comes up 696 characters of prose (lists and tables don't count), far short of the 2000 characters minimum. You have several days to expand the new article. Royalbroil 22:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Correction: the DYK requirement is 1500 characters of prose, not 2000. But 696 is too short either way. cmadler (talk) 14:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Viajero

• ... that F. Sionil José's (pictured) Viajero (The Wanderer) is a novel about a Filipino boy adopted by an African-American soldier?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that F. Sionil José's (pictured) Viajero (The Wanderer) is considered both a Filipino novel and an American novel? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• This image is also used in a nomination higher up; it should only be used once. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Also used lower down. T:TDYK#The God Stealer. Jujutacular ^T · C 22:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

2001 Angola train attack

• ... that the 2001 Angola train attack perpetrated by UNITA rebels is currently regarded as the deadliest terrorist attack involving railways ever?

Created by De Administrando Imperio (talk). Self nom at 18:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the 2001 Angola train attack perpetrated by UNITA rebels is regarded as the deadliest terrorist attack involving railways? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

bare urls, need proper citation formatThelmadatter (talk) 15:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

is there a bot for that?--DAI (Δ) 16:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Antonio Alice

• ... that Argentine portrait painter Antonio Alice, who was expelled from school for drawing in books, was later awarded the Prix de Rome scholarship?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Flader J55

• ... that the Flader J55 jet engine used a supersonic compressor in order to achieve small size, which ultimately proved to be beyond the state of the art?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:55, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Twice Blessed

• ... that Twice Blessed is an American Book Award winning novel by Filipino author Ninotchka Rosca?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• References and citations must be properly formatted. I suggest the use of {{cite}} or the variant {{cite web}}. Lack of reference/citation formatting makes it much more difficult to evaluate them, but it also appears to me that a number of the cited sources are not reliable. cmadler (talk) 14:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicle

• ... that Chenowth Advanced Light Strike Vehicles were used by United States Navy SEALs in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as during the Gulf War?

Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Agrimonia gryposepala

• ... that Agrimonia gryposepala belongs to the rose family Rosaceae but grows in the forest?

Created by Glorioussandwich (talk). Nominated by Minimac (talk) at 08:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Why "but"? Many species in Rosaceae are woodland trees (eg those in Sorbus; Prunus etc). Ericoides (talk) 17:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article is only ~623 characters long. Abductive (reasoning) 21:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Ron Gomez

• ... that as a state legislator Ron Gomez, previously the radio voice of the ULL Ragin' Cajuns, worked to build the team stadium, the Cajundome, in Lafayette, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

State of War (novel)

• ... that State of War is the debut novel written in 1988 by award-winning Filipino author Ninotchka Rosca?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Checks out, but where does a source say the author is "award winning"? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Provided reference at State of War (novel) and Ninotchka Rosca articles. Her name was also already listed at American Book Award (1993). - AnakngAraw (talk) 05:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
• Verified. (No way would I look at American Book Award to find that. Thank you.) -SusanLesch (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Need third opinion here - I am not happy with most references, some statements (State of War was also called as "one of the finest novels of 1988" - by whom? is enotes.com respectable?) and maybe even notability of this novel (most Google hits are from book publishers, who would obviously promote a book they print). Materialscientist (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• On a quick glance, the sources linked at Questia and Goliath seem legitimate, though the citations in the article need to be fixed (for example, Questia is a link for a "[j]ournal article by Rocío G. Davis; World Literature Today, Vol. 73, 1999", and the citation in the article needs to reflect that; likewise for the article at Goliath). The Enotes, DirectEssays, and Amazon links should be removed as citations entirely, which leaves us without a citation for the hooked fact. Like you, I'm dubious about the notability of this novel. cmadler (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 12

Siobhan Magnus

• ... that Siobhan Magnus, a current contestant on the ninth season of American Idol, started singing in public during a elementary school concert when she sang Tomorrow from the musical Annie?

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 03:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• At AFD, but all opinions are "keep". Just barely long enough, so it perhaps should be thrown out. Otherwise hook and date OK. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 21:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The AFD was closed as the nominator was a sockpuppet. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Confederate war finance

Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!

• ... that more than 60% of the Confederacy's war finance came from printing money, which, along with bad military news, caused prices to increase 92 times over (pictured) in the South during the American Civil War?

• ALT1:... that one of the ways that the Confederacy financed their military effort during the American Civil War was by issuing money which paid interest?
• Comment: Maybe "92 times over" should be replaced by "by 9200%". Alt image for first hook could be the Confederate money (after "printing money" in the hook). An image for the alt hook could be the Confederate dollar stamped to indicate that interest had been paid. Other hooks can be generated from the article.

Created by Radeksz (talk). Nominated by Radeksz (talk) at 12:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Here's an image of a Confederate banknote -- as an alternative to the graph. (This particular file is not in the article, but the image is in the in the article as part of a composite file that includes two banknotes.) --Orlady (talk) 14:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
• Comment: I say add the image with the two notes. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with any of that. The two note image is nice (though I always like graphs - but that's just me).radek (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit

• ... that 51 Scandinavian Vikings were killed in a mass execution by Anglo-Saxons near Weymouth, Dorset and interred in the Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit some time between AD 910 and 1030?

Created and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• "...although Oxford Archaeology project manager David Score noted, that without analysis of all of the bodies, it was impossible to know for certain that all the decapitated men were Vikings.

Articles created/expanded on March 11

Palace of Omurtag

• ... that the Palace of Omurtag, an archaeological site in northeastern Bulgaria, includes the episcopal see of an Arian Gothic bishop besides a medieval Bulgarian fort?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 09:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that earlier ruins at the Palace of Omurtag medieval Bulgarian archaeological site include an octagonal building likened to the Mausoleum of Theodoric in Ravenna and four Arian Gothic churches?
• ALT2: ... that according to the Chatalar Inscription, the Palace of Omurtag in northeastern Bulgaria was decorated with four columns and two lion sculptures? Todor→Bozhinov 09:17, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

• that the GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle (logo pictured) is planned to be the first U.S. Military vehicle to have a weapon suite with non-lethal weapons?

Created by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• • There is nothing in the article which says that this is the first US Military vehicle to have non-lethal weapons. Do you have a source that says this is the first? Also, the hook should say "is planned to" instead of "will" as this vehicle is still five years away from prototype and there's no way to know what it may have in the end. New Hampshirite (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

This source says it will be the first tactical vehicle with a less lethal weapon. Other strategic vehicles in the US Military, such as recovery vehicles, refueling vehicles, and transporters might have less lethal weapons but I've never heard of it before. I can manually check the weapon suites of other U.S. Military vehicles if you want me to. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Room & Board

• ... that House Beautiful magazine chose a blue velvet chair sold by Room & Board to leave in Manhattan, free for the taking?

Created by SusanLesch (talk). Nominated by SusanLesch (talk) at 23:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• All ok, though hook is difficult to parse. Ceoil ^sláinte 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• And sorry it isn't very international. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• Trying an ALT1. ... that the home decorating magazine House Beautiful left in Manhattan—for anyone who wanted it—a blue velvet chair sold by Room & Board?

Sorry for being rude (just asking questions which will likely fall onto our heads later), but I don't understand the main hook, the alt hook, why this company is notable, and why this nom isn't a promotion of that company. Materialscientist (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Materialscientist. Good question. I suppose it is promotion of a company. I rescued this article from deletion, and think if Wikipedia has an article about Pottery Barn (and other commercial entities) then we should have this one too. The hook was just a cool fact that I happened to find in The New York Times. I don't mind switching hooks or pulling this nomination if you'd like me to. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT2: that for Room & Board, designer Vladimir Kagan built a facsimile of his sofa that Christie's had sold for $190,000?

Stronger, my preference. Ceoil ^sláinte 12:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT2 is better, rescue efforts are appreciated, and the article is probably fine for WP, but, I don't feel it is right to have this article on the main page - just my opinion. Materialscientist (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Chee Kung Tong Society Building

• ... that the back of the lintel of the gate (pictured) to the Chee Kung Tong Society Building once mentioned, delineated in Chinese, Everyone is equal?

Created by 293.xx.xxx.xx (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• What does "once mentioned" mean in this context? Does "delineated" mean "signified"?--Wetman (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing personal, but did you even look at the picture or click the link? That aside, upon reading it again, it does sound abit clunky. Hmmmm.--293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 18:10, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that as you leave the Chee Kung Tong Society Building grounds, a lintel (faded remains pictured) once proclaimed, in Chinese, Everyone is Equal? --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 04:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Almond Blossom Cross Country

• ... that the almond tree's white blossom that appears each spring (pictured) was the inspiration for the name of the annual Almond Blossom Cross Country?

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, but citation link for hook is a blacklisted link. Could you find an alternative valid online link for the citation - or an alternative hook with verifiable citation?--Storye book (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• • I spent a good half an hour trying to find a better cite but I found nothing. The site is blacklisted for spam reasons, but the linked article has obvious value for the article. The problem is a strange one: the reason is so obvious that no other sources seemed bothered to state the obvious! What can I do? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 17:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'd recommend an alternative hook, which will allow you to find a proper citation.--Storye book (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

• I don't really see how this isn't a "proper citation". I've added a hyperlink from tinyurl instead. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 14:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Or maybe not as that's blacklisted too! Let us pursue with the less elegant hook of:

• ALT1 ... that the Almond Blossom Cross Country was created by the District of Faro and the Portuguese tourist board to promote sport and tourism in the area?

• In fact, that is boring. Perhaps we should just forget about this? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)^{Join WikiProject Athletics!} 14:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you. We now have date, and length; and hook citation for ALT1 is OK. The hook may seem dull, but to sport enthusiasts it may not be, so I think it's worth giving it a go.--Storye book (talk) 10:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant

• ... that the well-known expression Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was probably never a gladiators' salute, but a plea for mercy by men condemned to execution by acting out a naval battle?

• ALT1:... that the one time we know of Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant being used in the Roman arena, their response so upset the emperor that he ran around the lake pleading with the condemned men to fight?
• ALT2:... that the one time we know of the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant being used in the Roman arena, their response so upset the emperor that he ran around the lake pleading with the condemned men to fight?

5x expanded by FT2 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

lots of different wordings discussed...

(Note: ALT2 critically states it was a salute compared to ALT1. But it's 8 characters over when rendered. Any scope to trim it? - FT2) I like the idea of ALT2 better, it invokes a nice image. But it seems grammatically backwards. Maybe ALT3: "... that after receiving the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant from a group of condemned, Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" BTW, great work on the article! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC) A useful idea, re-ordering it. How about a synthesis, ALT4: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given by condemned men, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by their response he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" Also within length and makes clear the key encyclopedic point - it is only known to have been recorded once in history. I like this one. FT2 (Talk | email) 02:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Yes, better. Two minor problems. It's the only time the salute was given, not just by condemned men, and they did not respond to it, but to Claudius' first response. Another synthesis: ALT5: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by the fighters performance that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" 200 chars rendered, including the "..." and the "?". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Closing in on it I think. It wasn't their "performance" but their response to his reply, which is awkward to express. Try ALT6 which might fix it: "... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset at their wish to avoid battle that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" I'd like to make "fighters saluted" into "that fighters saluted", or "fighters saluted with", but its 2 chars over. Note though the extra space ("...<spc>that") What's a nice single word for "wish to avoid battle"? FT2 (Talk | email) 11:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Hmmm. We can lose the "Roman" - emperor Claudius is enough. That gives us 6 chars to play with. "wish to avoid battle" could go into "lack of fighting spirit" or "lack of fighting". "Fighting" is better than "battle", as it's not a real battle, I think. I also think the original "pleading with" procured a more vivid image for me. But what about: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the battle was so lackluster that emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?" Short enough that we can even squeeze in "Roman again". Or go with "the performance" instead of "the battle", i.e.: ALT7: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the performance was so lackluster that Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"--Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Lacklustre doesn't work for me. Two options:

• "... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius...

ALT8 "...was so upset at their refusal to kill that he ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"

ALT9 "...had to run around a lake pleading and threatening before the men would fight?"

(Just noticed the original page was wrongly titled as well as incorrect, hence page moved from "Ave Caesar..." to the original source text's "Ave Imperator...") FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 02:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

New problem: I like both new suggestions equally and cannot decide which to prefer ;-). Very good! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

"Had to run" might carry a certain hook that "ran" doesn't, and "was so upset [...] refusal to kill" does too. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Can some third party please do the verification? Everything looks good to me now... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Nice and hooky and all that, but the running around is only according to Suetonius. The other writers don't mention it. Verified as far as it goes though (there's probably some tick graphic for that, feel free to add it on my behalf). Yomangani^talk 16:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Yomangani's quite right; making the Caesars look ridiculous was a hobby and delight for Suetonius; we're a few miles from the realm of facts here but I can see no problem with this if the hook acknowledges its source. Haploidavey (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

We need a proper review and proper hook here. I moved the hook below to the queues, but return here because of the comment by Yomangani below (and I join that the above hook(s) are not clear in the article). Materialscientist (talk) 07:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• ... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius had to run around a lake, pleading and threatening before the men would fight?

It is partially supported by one source and not mentioned by others, but even Suetonius doesn't say that Claudius had to run round the lake, just that he did. Yomangani^talk 17:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC) (and "around" is wrong too. The lake was huge).

Articles created/expanded on March 10

Jimmy Sexton

• ... that in 1975, professional baseball player Jimmy Sexton led the Texas League in stolen bases with 48?

5x expanded by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Corrected tense: lead -> led. Here and in the article. Jujutacular ^T · C 22:14, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, my mistake. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

R v Burgess

• In R v Burgess, it was determined that sleepwalking can be a form of insanity by the Court of Appeal of England and Wales?

Created by LittleT889 (talk). Self nom at 23:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article lacks inline citations.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Canigou Cambrai

• ... that Canigou Cambrai was the first English Cocker Spaniel to be best in show at Crufts for 46 years?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Many of the sources in the article seem somewhat questionable as far as their reliability is concerned. The fact in the hook, for example, is from pubquizhelp.com.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Swapped out the reference with an alternative, however it's in Icelandic. For some reason Crufts don't seem to host a simple list of winners on their website. Miyagawa (talk) 12:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Frank T. Johns

• ... that Frank T. Johns, Presidential nominee of the Socialist Labor Party, died trying to rescue a drowning boy following his first speech of the 1928 campaign?

5x expanded by Carrite (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• The hook doesn't mention what country it is talking about. I'm also a little concerned that the article is mostly based on the guy's own party's convention minutes.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

San Bartolo Coyotepec

• ... that San Bartolo Coyotepec, Mexico has a married priest?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• It might be a good idea to write a "married Roman Catholic priest" since this wouldn't be unusual for other religions.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
• Mexico ought to be linked too, and consider linking "married Roman Catholic priest" to clerical marriage. Todor→Bozhinov 14:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• It is questionable if he is a Roman Catholic priest since the Church no longer recognizes him as such.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that although married, the town of San Bartolo Coyotepec, Mexico still considers Manuel Marinero as its Roman Catholic priest?Thelmadatter (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Underwater Archaeology Branch, Naval History & Heritage Command

• ... that the Underwater Archaeology Branch has been involved in research on and CSS Alabama, and the search for USS Bonhomme Richard?

Created by Leachers1987 (talk). Nominated by Ukexpat (talk) at 16:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• The article is almost completely based on a Navy website and not on secondary sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• The page has been updated with 7 separate outside sources including four published sources. Leachers1987 (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Need one citation per paragraph. A number of paragraphs are lacking one.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Leachers1987 has been adding them. OK now? – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Binding selectivity

• ... that binding selectivity is of major importance in pharmacology and in chemical separation processes.

5x expanded by User:Petergans (talk). Self nom at 11:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook needs to contain a wikilink to the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Done Calmer Waters 17:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

"is of major importance" is kind of vague. Also, there are unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Both of these observations arise out of the fact that this article presents an over-view of a very broad topic. Each section has a general reference. References are not given for topics covered in detail in the {{main}} links. Petergans (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 9

Aiphanes minima

• ... that the discovery of a population of smaller, less spiny palms in Dominica has led to speculation that Aiphanes minima may not be the only species of Aiphanes on that island nation in the Caribbean?

5x expanded by Guettarda (talk). Nominated by Guettarda (talk) at 17:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Bad (Michael Jackson song)

• ... that Michael Jackson's 1987 "Bad" single was originally intended to be a duet between Jackson and Prince?

5x expanded by Crystal Clear x3 (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Not quite a 5x expansion yet. The article had 3337 characters of readable prose on 25 February and now has 10927 characters, a 3.27x expansion. You'll need to expand to at least 16685 characters before it's eligible. -- BigDom 22:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I've just added an expansion on the article, does my recent editions to the article consist of a 5x expansion now? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• It's now 14770 characters, and you still need to expand to 16685.--Storye book (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What A Guy!

• ... that What A Guy! is a gag cartoon created in 1987 by Bill Hoest & John Reiner, the team responsible for The Lockhorns?

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 23:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• I don't really see what's unusual about this fact. Couldn't something more interesting be found.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that What A Guy!, a gag cartoon created in 1987, continued for 8 years after writer Bill Hoest's death using a mix of his jokes and new gags written by his widow, Bunny Hoest? - Dravecky (talk) 14:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert Kennedy in Palestine (1948)

• ... ...that Robert Kennedy (pictured) visited the British Mandate of Palestine in 1948 as a reporter for The Boston Post?

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and George (talk) Self nom at 16:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently up for AfD. I've expressed my opinion there. Gatoclass (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You sure did. You called Robert Kennedy writings "rant", and have chosen to ignore at least three reliable sources for the hooks only. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:15, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Currently uncertain whether this one will survive the AfD or not, but numerous editors have expressed concerns about the article's lack of neutrality including myself, and I don't see the problems being resolved quickly. Therefore I am opposing promotion of this one, regardless of whether it survives the AfD or not. Gatoclass (talk) 05:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

It is incorrect to say the least. Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article. The only reason of you comment is I just do not like it. It is the time to stop the insinuations, isn't it? If you'd like to continue constructive discussion about so called "the article's lack of neutrality" I invite you to share your concerns at the article's discussion page, where it belongs. --Mbz1 (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not an "insinuation" to express the view that an article is POV, it is part of one's responsibility as a wikipedian to do so where appropriate. I don't know what Tiamut's view is, but that's her affair, I am of the view that the article is still POV and I have a right to express that view as much as anyone else.

Should the article survive the AfD, I may indeed propose some changes on the talk page or even make some changes myself. Until that time however, I am not inclined to waste my time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. But in any case I am under no obligation to try and NPOV articles proposed for DYK, that is the responsibility of the article creator and if you fail to do so, that really isn't my problem. Gatoclass (talk) 22:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

And BTW, it is not the case that Tiamut agrees the article is now NPOV, she only said she would stop adding the tag since you keep removing it. But she clearly still has concerns about the article, as expressed in her last post at the talk page, here. Certainly, I would tag the article myself except that would make me responsible for trying to fix it, and that's not a responsibility I am inclined to take on right now. Gatoclass (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Half of the truth is not the truth, you know. She said: "...and you've made an effort to improve it, so I won't replace it for now. I may return to the issue with more specific concerns in the future though." (highlighted by me), but so far she did not. Once again it is not the right place to discuss the neutrality of the article. I understand you do not want "to waste your time trying to fix an article that may soon be deleted. " Then may I please ask you to stop wasting your and mine time here?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Half of the truth is not the truth

Quite, but perhaps you should have taken your own advice before implying that Tiamut now approves of the article. As for time wasting, seems to me you are the one who has wasted a great deal of everyone's time by writing an article that was immediately nominated for AfD on the basis of numerous apparent inadequacies, and which others have had to spend a considerable amount of time trying to rectify, so I hardly think you are in a position to accuse others of this particular vice. And finally in regard to your other comment, while this is not a venue for discussing particular problems in an article, it is certainly appropriate to note that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all. Gatoclass (talk) 00:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Tra-ta-tra-ta-tra-tttt. Would you please stop lying as right now? I said "Tiamut, who added POV tag, has agreed to remove it, and it was removed from the article". Where did I say "Tiamut now approves of the article?" The article was nominated for deletion by a very biased user, who lied in the deletion request, and I could prove it. Now, I consider your statements about the article to be a discrimination against my English and my writing skills. Stop it!--Mbz1 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

So having already accused me of bad faith with the WP:IDONTLIKEIT comment, you are now accusing both myself and others of lying because they disagree with you? Sorry, but you are not doing your case any favours at all with such attacks. But for the record, I repudiate the charge that I "lied" about anything. Quite frankly, I think that if anyone has misrepresented the facts in this discussion, you have. You claimed Tiamut "agreed to remove the tag", when all she really did was acquiesce in your repeated removal of it, while expressing continued concerns about the article. You implied I was the only one with NPOV concerns about the article, when a look at the AfD page shows that numerous editors have expressed similar concerns.

Obviously, you are irritated that I have opposed promotion of this article. But misstating the facts in order to mount baseless personal attacks is not going to help your cause. Gatoclass (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I will never ever ever accuse anybody in lying because we disagree. If I stated something like that, it means I could confirm it with many evidences. Please take your concerns about my "personal attacks" to any board of your choice, and I will easily prove that I had rather good reasons to say what I said, and now please stop it.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Um, sorry, but calling someone a liar is transparently a personal attack and there can be no dispute about that. And claiming you have "many evidences" that I am a liar is just digging the hole deeper. I'm not going to report you to a noticeboard about these attacks because I can't be bothered with the wikidrama, nor would I want to burden the community with such nonsense, but what I can do is remind you that if you persist in trying to personalize disputes, it will only be a matter of time before you find yourself sanctioned for such behaviour. Gatoclass (talk) 06:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I did not accused you in a bad faith. You did, when you first called the article "a rant", and then accused me that I made Kennedy "sound like a cheerleader for Zionism". Guess what, Kennedy was a strong supporter of Israel. Please see that pro-Arab book page 651. It clearly states that for Kennedy Jews were good, and Arabs were bad. I assure I had no influence on Robert Kennedy at all. It is his words, that you just do not like.--Mbz1 (talk) 06:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and I withdrew that remark as soon as you complained, as I realized it was potentially offensive. But it seems you are still hanging onto it. Just one more thing you are apparently not prepared to WP:AGF about. Gatoclass (talk) 09:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

No it is not appropriate to note "that an article may have problems which exclude it from promotion, without which we would not have a DYK process at all." not without providing any example from the article anyway , and not without adding to that statemnet of yours "In my opinion".--Mbz1 (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I already stated what I felt was wrong with the article at the AfD. But for your benefit, I will repeat those concerns here. Firstly, the article consists almost entirely of quotes from Kennedy's articles, which in this case are a primary rather than secondary source. Secondly, it entirely excludes the commentary about these articles from the available secondary sources. Thirdly, the commentary about Kennedy's assassination is WP:COATRACK. Finally, secondary sourcing for this article is extremely thin, to the point that its viability as a standalone article is questionable (a position held by numerous contributors at the AfD). So hopefully now it is clear to you and anyone else what my objections to this article are. Gatoclass (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

The quote from the article: "Sirhan happened to see a documentary about Kennedy in Palestine in 1948. Later in his murder trial Sirhan Sirhan testified: "...I hoped he will win Presidency until that moment. But when I saw, heard, he was supporting Israel, sir, not in 1968, but he was supporting, it from all the way from its inception in 1948, sir..."" page 658 page 103. Otherwise, if the article survives Afd, may I please ask a closing admin to check out the "thin" sources and external links in the article itself. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment whatever the result of the deletion request, the DYK hook is very biased and out of context. You can change it , as a bare minimum to have some sort of neutrality to "The Jews with their backs to the sea, fighting for their very homes, will accept no compromise....On the other hand, the Arabs shall crush forever the invader [... and] carry on the fight". The Jews are seen by the Arabs as invaders, that's why they say that...--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll think about other hook, if the article will not get deleted. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've thoroughly updated, expanded, and reformatted the cited references for this article. After extensive reading of the provided sources, especially the chunk of text from which the original hook was drawn from, I've struck the original hook as unacceptable on grounds of accuracy and NPOV. As it stood, it would be like quoting Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech to read "we shall fight in France... and then our Empire, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on in the New World". If it survives AfD, an ALT hook must be crafted for this to advance to the main page. - Dravecky (talk) 11:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

• "Thoroughly updated" or not, the article still has the same POV problems it had before - in fact in some ways, I would say the current version is worse than the previous one. So if this one happens to survive the AfD, I will still be opposing its promotion at DYK. Gatoclass (talk) 04:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• For the record, I updated the cited references only, leaving the text of the article alone except for minor formatting fixes such as italicizing the name of the newspaper. I don't disagree about the POV issues as said as much at the AfD. - Dravecky (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I was just about to clarify that the deterioration in quality had nothing to do with your edits, but got edit conflicted by your post :) Gatoclass (talk) 10:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• AFD closed as "no consensus". Materialscientist (talk) 08:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook is changed.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Lars Aspeflaten

• ... that later politician and barrister Lars Aspeflaten was a personal bodyguard of the acting Norwegian Director of Public Prosecutions in 1945?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

What Is a Man Without a Moustache?

• ... that a film critic for The New York Times referred to the story in the Croatian film What Is a Man Without a Moustache? as "the pleasant pointless of it all"?

• ALT1:... that a film critic for The New York Times described the Croatian film What Is a Man Without a Moustache? as "pleasant" and "pointless" in the same sentence? Created by Big Bird (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

SongMeanings

• ... that the music website SongMeanings was created after its founder was inspired by a debate surrounding the meaning behind music group Ben Folds Five's song "Brick"?

Created by Gary King (talk). Nominated by Gary King (talk) at 20:51, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Solar Turbines

• ... that today's Solar Turbines got its start in the gas turbine industry due to its expertise in high-temperature metallurgy learned by building 300,000 exhaust manifolds in World War II?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Point Lonsdale Lighthouse

• ... that Point Lonsdale Lighthouse's foghorn shed is the only one known from a Victorian lighthouse?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

May Day Eve

• … that Nick Joaquin’s "May Day Eve" is a short story about a couple who got married because of an incantation recited in front of a mirror?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure about this, but I have also bolded the "married" part linked to Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines. I am reverting/cancelling my withdrawal of the nom for Marriage and wedding customs in the Philippines on March 4, 2010. But I originally nominated/suggested it on 28, 2010 (See history here) If not, you may debold it, as you wish. But I hope this will be reconsidered. Thank you. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The purpose is to create a double-nom in good faith. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• Since the problems, which kept the marriage article from being accepted in the frist place still persist, I do think it should be de-bolded.--Carabinieri (talk) 13:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Bamba Müller

• ... that Bamba Müller (pictured) was the "Cinderella" chosen when a Prince asked for a wife?

• Help and alts welcome Victuallers (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
• nb This has been moved back from April Fools Victuallers (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sven Moren, Noregs Ungdomslag

• ... that Sven Moren was a popular speaker, and chaired the cultural society Noregs Ungdomslag for two periods?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Falkuša

• ... that the sailboat falkuša raced in the oldest fishermen's regatta in Europe, held from 1593 to 1936 in Komiža, on the island of Vis, Croatia?

Created by GregorB (talk), Sir Floyd (talk), Grifter72 (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Laryngeal cleft

• ... that around 1 in 10,000 to 20,000 births have a laryngeal cleft, meaning that they have a gap between the oesophagus and trachea, which allows food or fluid to pass into the airway?

Created by Belovedfreak (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 19:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT }}... that around 1 in every 10,000 to 20,000 babies are born with a laryngeal cleft, a gap between the oesophagus and trachea which allows food or fluid to pass into the airway? Abductive (reasoning) 04:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've moved this to the right date of creation, as I had duplicated it not seeing it nominated above.--BelovedFreak 17:21, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Pyridoxamine

• ... that pyridoxamine, a vitamer of vitamin B6, is being tested in clinical trials for the treatment of diabetic nephropathy?

5x expanded by Scientizzle (talk). Nominated by Scientizzle (talk) at 17:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Barro negro pottery

• ... that the color of barro negro or black clay pottery comes from the properties of the clay and not from painting?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Almost. Was at 1470 before expansion and current at 6221 characters of prose. Need 7350 to meet 5x. Calmer Waters 03:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I should have it now. Thelmadatter (talk) 19:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

7282. I have decapped Barro Negro; correct me if I'm wrong. Materialscientist (talk) 12:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Dang, I cant find more informtion.... up to you guys if you want to let it slide. Yes it should be decapped.Thelmadatter (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

• DYK check shows the article is now 7490 charcters. -- Esemono (talk) 08:44, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Grace, Replaced

• ... that "Grace, Replaced", the Will & Grace episode, attracted its highest ratings of the first season?

Created by ThinkBlue (talk). Self nom at 20:54, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

• ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida spokesman Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"?

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 18:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not sure it's right to call Zawahiri a "spokesman". See Zawahiri's job description. Ericoides (talk) 14:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT: ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps we can even leave out the part that says he is a Christian from the hook. And please confirm that there are no BLP concerns with this hook. Ucucha 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

1968 in the Vietnam War

• ... that at 16,592 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most Americans killed in Vietnam?

created by Esemono (talk). Self Nom.

*ALT1 ... the week of February 11–17, during 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most 543 Americans killed in action, and 2547 were wounded.

• ALT2 ... that during the week of February 11–17, 1968 in the Vietnam War American forces suffered the most casualties with 543 KIA and 2547 wounded?

• Seems odd to have a dead VC illustrating a hook about dead Americans. Ericoides (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook is about the Americans but the article is about the Vietnam War i.e. there were Vietnamese people in the Vietnam war too not just Americans. -- Esemono (talk) 01:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• If you don't mind that, then it's OK. I was just pointing out a disjunction between text and image that bothered me. Of greater concern is that neither hook is grammatically sound. Could you please rewrite them? Ericoides (talk) 15:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Ouch! Embarrassing grammar on my behalf. How about now? -- Esemono (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Hmmm. Still seems a bit convoluted to me. What about something really simple like:
• ALT3... that 1968 in the Vietnam War saw the most deaths (pictured) of the entire war? Ericoides (talk) 16:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah makes sense that 1968 would have the most deaths total of the war but all I have a citation for is 1968 saw the most American deaths in the Vietnam war. -- Esemono (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• In your lede you say "The year also became the deadliest of the Vietnam war with the 27,915 ARVN soldiers killed and the Americans suffering 16,592 killed." You give cites for these. Should that bit be deleted then? I'm confused. Ericoides (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• I mean I don't know for sure about the North Vietnamese, and Vietcong causalities. Yes for America and its allies it was the deadliest year. -- Esemono (talk) 23:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, that was my stupidity. What about (assuming it's OK to have a category as a link (I'm not sure it is)):

ALT4 ... that 1968 in the Vietnam War was the deadliest year in the war for America and its Vietnamese allies? Ericoides (talk) 08:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds fine but I like my original and ALT2 hook better -- Esemono (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, they are ungrammatical and don't make much sense; I'll let someone else take over. Ericoides (talk) 13:37, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the problem is that 1968 in the Vietnam War does not really work as part of a full sentence. Can we pipe the link?

ALT5 ... that 1968 was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States and its Vietnamese allies? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT6 ... that 1968, with 16,592 killed, was the deadliest year in the Vietnam war for the United States? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:49, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Anna Fitziu

• ... that American soprano Anna Fitziu borrowed the surname "Fitzhugh" at the start of her career, which came from her relative, Continental Congress delegate William Fitzhugh?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 03:19, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• – Article is substantially unsourced. DYK hook cited to unavailable New York Times article. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• Article cleaned up and sourced. -- Esemono (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that American soprano, Anna Fitziu, was the singing instructor for Shirley Verrett?

World Junior Squash Championships

• ... that the 2010 World Junior Squash Championships will be held from July 27 until August 1, in Quito, Ecuador?

Created by Arteyu (talk). Nominated by Arteyu (talk) at 13:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

1922 Vallenar earthquake

• ... that the magnitude 8.5 1922 Vallenar earthquake in Chile left hundreds dead and caused 1922 USD 25 million in damage?

5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Nominated by Ceranthor (talk) at 04:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

• The only line that mentions deaths (and only from the tsunami) is not cited.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:27, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've added a cite as requested, I've not been able to find any sources that quote numbers for deaths from the earthquake rather than the tsunami - the USGS summary page is all there is. Mikenorton (talk) 22:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2... that the magnitude 8.5 1922 Vallenar earthquake caused a series of tsunamis that struck as far away as Japan and Australia?
• Sourced here -- Esemono (talk) 01:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• I think that 'struck' is pushing it a little, the relevant run-up heights were 30 cm and 20 cm, only just detectable - could replace 'struck' by 'were observed'. I'd still go with the original hook, as it's entirely supported by the USGS ref. Mikenorton (talk) 08:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3... that the magnitude 8.5 1922 Vallenar earthquake caused a series of tsunamis that reached as far away as Japan and Australia?

Christopher O. Ward

• ... that Christopher O. Ward, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, is the son of John William Ward, formerly President of Amherst College?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 18:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Christopher O. Ward, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, worked on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico before attending Harvard Divinity School?
  —Offenbach (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Filipino cartoon and animation

• ... that most cartoon animations are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' knowledge of Western culture and humor?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 03:43, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Very dubious hook: the only reliable-sourced statement I see in refs is "about 90 percent of American television cartoons are now produced in Asia" (CNN; maybe I missed some other?); I don't see where the second part comes from (Bill Dennis quote?). Materialscientist (talk) 06:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I inserted a ref for the first suggested hook above: see page 7 to 8 of http://www.tholons.com/nl_pdf/150508_philippine_Animation_Industry.pdf - AnakngAraw (talk) 17:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

How about this hook, ALT 1: ... that most televised American cartoon animations are now developed in Asian countries such as the the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 2: ... that most televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now Philippine-made because of the Filipinos' familiarity with Western humor? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't observe reliable support for the strong statement that most cartoons are produced in Philipines. The pdf above is hardly a reliable source. The ALT1 phrasing is too obscure, even if we replace "such as" with more appropriate "including". Materialscientist (talk) 00:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I now turn to you and perhaps better from others for suggestions. Other editors other than you may have a more positive look on this issue. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I would be happy if you first reflected in the article the split up (even approximate) in cartoon production between the Asian countries, with reliable references (well, we don't need other Asian countries, but both CNN refs you provided so far talk about Asian countries, not Philipines in particular). This would allow developing a justified hook. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 3: ... that the first Filipino-made cartoon series for television, Panday, was created by Gerry Garcia in the 1980s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT 4: ... that the first Filipino full-length animated film, Adarna, was created by Gerry Garcia in the late 1990s? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Added something from the CNN ref, thus suggesting also ALT 5: that approximately 90% of televised cartoon animations in the U.S. are now made in Asia? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

and ALT 6: ... that American animation companies are setting up more cartoon studios in the Philippines? - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It seems as you're trying to squeeze out refs that you had whereas I thought the breakthrough should come with new references. ALT5 is not relevant (calling Philipines Asia), ALT6 is too vague. ALT 3: refs says "first animation series" - doesn't sound same as "first cartoon" (individual one). Materialscientist (talk) 08:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

added "series" for ALT 3. Forgot/overlooked that one. - AnakngAraw (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 7: ... that the Filipino cartoon and animation industry is chosen over other Asian animation companies in North Korea or India because of their close ties to the Western mindset?

• Sourced in Business for development: fostering the private sector By Kiichiro Fukasaku and North Korea link is supported here -- Esemono (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Clara Gregory Baer

• ... that Clara Gregory Baer's 1895 rules for women's basketball referred to the jump shot, a shot not used in men's basketball until decades later?

5x expanded by Sphilbrick (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC) --SPhilbrickT 18:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

• The prose has only been expanded 3.28x (3103/946). The quotes are not included in the count. Can you expand it some more? --Bruce1ee^talk 09:11, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Sorry, I thought the quotes would count. I'll see if I can add something this evening.--SPhilbrickT 12:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 6

Draft Ron Paul movement

• ... that Republican Congressman Ron Paul won the 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll, strengthening the draft Ron Paul movement?

Created by GageSkidmore (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 03:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Wiswall

• ... that in 1656, Thomas Wiswall signed a petition that ultimately led to the founding of the city of Newton, Massachusetts?

Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 05:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

List of Rhodesian and Zimbabwean football champions

• ... that the Harare-based Zimbabwean football club Dynamos have won their national league a record 18 times?

Created by Cliftonian (talk). Nominated by Cliftonian (talk) at 16:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Verified article creation and length. This statement needs to be supported by an inline citation. There is currently a debate over whether the citation can appear in a list/table/chart or whether it must appear in prose; however, in this article no citation is given that I can find. cmadler (talk) 13:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Citation is given in the general references at the bottom of the page. I'll add some clarification on the matter. – Cliftonian^{the orangey bit} 16:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Holly Graf

• ... that Navy Captain Holly Graf was relieved of command for creating an environment of fear on her ship but that she admits swearing to "intentionally pressurize the situation"?

Created by Ipromise (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• 1st Alt: ... that US Navy Captain Holly Graf commanded USS Winston S. Churchill and later USS Cowpens before being relieved of her command on January 13, 2010? Moonraker2 (talk) 15:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
• This has several issues: 1) bare URLs need to be replaced with formatted citations. I personally recommend {{cite}} or {{cite web}} as they are quite easy. 2) I'm concerned about this article from a WP:BLP perspective. Given that she's recieved numerous awards, and had 25 years of military service before being relieved of command (23 years of service before even becoming a commanding officer), I'm concerned that this article (and both proposed hooks) focus excessively on the recent negative events. (DYK rule 4 states, "Articles and hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals should be avoided.") Because of this issue, the article will need quite a bit of work to become DYK-eligible. cmadler (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• Cleaned up now. -- Esemono (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that Holly Graf was the Commanding Officer of the USS Winston S. Churchill during Operation Iraqi Freedom before becoming Captain of the USS Cowpens?

Articles created/expanded on March 5

Biggest Elvis: A Novel

• ... that P. F. Kluge's first novel, Biggest Elvis, is about three American Elvis Presley impersonators living in the Philippines?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• Unsure about about notability here. Most of the references seem to be snippets (for instance, the NPR one is a single sentence, and the NYT one that's cited 6 times is little more than a plot summary, and the one from the Kenyon College alumni bulletin is little more than a passing mention) or Amazon/B&N listings. This caught my eye because I've taken a class with Kluge before, and I always approach articles relating to people I know with an extra degree of skepticism... rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Added these. See Pretenders to the King's Throne, and What happened on August 04, 1996 Los Angeles Times. - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The Man (Who Thought) He Looked Like Robert Taylor

• ... that Bienvenido Santos’s novel, The Man (Who Thought) He Looked Like Robert Taylor, narrates the experiences of Filipino migrants in the United States?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's pretty clear from the article that this is what the novel is about but can you put a sentence that corresponds directly to the hook in the article (presumably in the lede) and source it? radek (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The hook is based on reference number 2 (at the very end of that ref site); I quoted that already as seen in article ref section. - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed placement of ref mark too to show which belongs to what sentence. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The reference appears to be a newsgroup FAQ. I'm not sure that qualifies as a reliable source. Is there anything in the Ty source that good be used to source it?radek (talk) 09:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

This source might work [6] though I'm not 100% sure it's RS either.radek (talk) 09:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Or even better this [7], which is clearly a reliable source. Can you incorporate it into the article?radek (talk) 09:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Refs suggested works out. Thanks. Incorporated done also as requested. - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

, good to go.radek (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

The article is based on references which IMO clearly fail WP:RS criteria. Materialscientist (talk) 11:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the Ty source in the article is reliable but a lot of the inline citations are to stuff that may not be. I would suggest replacing as much of the lesson plan and usenet sources with Ty (which is actually available online here [8]) and the source I gave above. The introduction to Santos' own works, since its written by a someone else can also be used [9]. Or this one [10].radek (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Rudy La Scala

• ... that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala began his musical career with a band named Las Explosiones de Goma?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 23:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 22:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

ALT1: that singer-songwriter Rudy La Scala had the best-performing Latin single of 1990 in the United States?

• This article is based primarily on the subject's own website.--Carabinieri (talk) 04:05, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

That is the reason I did the ALT version of the hook. The ALT is based in the Billboard Year-end charts of 1990.Jaespinoza (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not concerned about the reliability of the hook, but about the article not satisfying DYK standards, because it's not based on third-party sources.--Carabinieri (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

This article has been really hard to do. I didn't find any source about the singer-songwriter (Billboard, Allmusic, Google Books). The main reason to do the article is that he had two number-one songs in the Top Latin Songs chart, and I want to take that list to FL status. Any sugestions?. Jaespinoza (talk) 20:23, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

When there are no such sources, then perhaps the subject is not notable, and shouldn't have an article at all. Ucucha 20:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Except that, per WP:BAND, he is almost certainly notable; he meets several of the criteria and meeting just one suggests notability. This leads me to suspect that sources probably do exist, but that they might not (yet) be online and probably aren't in English. I suggest that he should have an article, but that due to the current sourcing issues, he shouldn't be approved for DYK. cmadler (talk) 20:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

William Milman

• ... that Rev. William Milman who was a rowing champion and president of the Union at Oxford University wanted to wear the Mark of the Beast?

Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• Though this is an eye-catching hook it seems misleading from the article and the reference. --Mcorazao (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

  I don't see evidence for Milman wanted to wear that. Materialscientist (talk) 03:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

If he went into a shop to order an MB waistcoat, then presumably he wanted to wear it. Seems he was an interesting person for all sorts of reasons which is why I put him forward. I'm not concerned about what happens to any nominations once I've submitted them, so over to you. The last eye-catching hook I did got 8600 hits - the generally boring straightforward ones have averaged about 600. Motmit (talk) 12:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, but I would go for an eye catching fact, "presumably he wanted to wear it" is guessing. Materialscientist (talk) 09:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

History of vice in Texas

• ... that when law enforcement officials cracked down on vice in Texas during the 1940s and 1950s, some of Texas' most notorious crime figures moved to Las Vegas to help establish major casinos such as the Sands Hotel?

Created by Mcorazao (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that when officials cracked down on vice in Texas during the 1940s and 1950s, some of Texas' most notorious crime figures helped establish major casinos in Las Vegas, including the Sands Hotel? --Mcorazao (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

• I've been trying to verify the hook, but without success. From online sources cited in the article, I can verify that two Texans who were involved in gambling ended up in Las Vegas (Jake/Jakie Freedman was an owner of the Sands, although in one place is described as its front man[11][12] and casino owner Benny Binion was a "Texas outlaw" who was proud of his police record and served time in Texas prison after establishing a Las Vegas casino[13] [14]). (Some other sources aren't available online.) However, I can't find an indication -- in either the article or the sources -- that these were "some of Texas' most notorious crime figures" or that they moved to Las Vegas after a crackdown on vice in Texas. I like the hook, but I'm wondering if we need alternate wording or a different hook altogether. --Orlady (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added a couple more citations to help. Here are some quotes that talk a little about the crackdowns.

• "There was a crackdown on Texas gambling after the war. There had been twenty-seven casinos in the Dallas area during the war." -Thompson (2001), p. 21.[15]
• "... Wilson won the position of attorney general in 1956. Wilson looked upon gambling in Galveston as the symbol of vice in Texas ... Wilson ... swooped onto the island in June 1957 and closed forty-seven clubs ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
• "the state watched a 1951 grand jury investigation [in fort Worth] ... The jury indicted more than 16 gamblers ... Eventually ... gamblers found it easier to go to Las Vegas where gambling was legal ..." - McComb (2008), p. 33-34.

Some stuff about Binion:

• Gatewood, Jim (2002). Benny Binion: The legend of Benny Binion, Dallas gambler and mob boss.
• "Benny ... opened a casino game at the Southland Hotel, and ... established a leadership role in the Dallas numbers game.
  ... some felt they could stay [in Dallas] and try to it ride out [the crackdowns] ... Binion did not. He packed up his family in 1946 and went to Las Vegas." - Thompson (2001), p. 21.[16]

On the Maceos

• "Galveston, under the influence of Sam and Rosario (Rose) Maceo, exploited the prohibition of liquor and gambling by offering illegal drinks and betting in nightclubs and saloons. -Handbook of Texas: Galveston, TX[17]
• "Rosario "Rose" and Sam Maceo surfaced as the underworld leaders in Galveston." - McComb (2008), p. 33.
• "...total income from Maceo operations was $3,329,000 in 1948, $3,433,000 in 1949, and $3,835,000 in 1950." - McComb (1986), p. 185.[18]

On Freedman

• "By the 1930s, Jakie Freedman's was the place for the young to go in the spirit of adventure. ... This was a very handsome, very expensive, and very illegal gambling casino." - Johnston (1991), p. 323[19]
• "The prince of Houston's gambling is Little Jakie Freedman, ..." - Fuermann, George (1951), p. 166.
• "Jakie Freedman ... owned a large piece of The Sands in Las Vegas." - Miami News (1958)[20]
• "Gala Sands Opening Tonight Greeting the thousands of well-wishers, principal owner Jake Freedman ..." - Las Vegas Sun (1952)[21]

Anyway, I can go on. I think you should focus on the ALT version, BTW. I took out the "moved to Las Vegas" since that could be interpreted as actually setting up residence in Vegas which was not true of the Maceos. As far as "some of Texas' most notorious" unfortunately there is no simple list of Texas top crime figures of that era that I know of. But I believe their notoriety and significance in Texas' vice is more than established.

Please let me know what more you need.

Thanks.

--Mcorazao (talk) 15:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting reading! I haven't had the time to do a thorough review yet. However, while you've convinced me that there were vice crackdowns in Texas, and some of the most notorious gambling and prostitution operators moved their operations from Texas to Las Vegas, that's not enough to support the DYK hook. The hook needs to be supported by the content of the article, and the article content needs to be supported by the sources cited in the article. Are the sources that you cite above also used in the article? --Orlady (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, though not all in one place. --Mcorazao (talk) 22:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 that in the 19th century there were many areas of vice in Texas; Galveston had the Postoffice Street district, San Antonio had the "Sporting District" and Fort Worth had "Hell's Half Acre"? -- Esemono (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Though certainly anything that will get this through DYK is ok, my personal opinion is that a statement like this doesn't say much. Cities all over the U.S. (and the world) have had vice districts like these so that is nothing particularly unique. The fact that Texas organized crime figures had important roles in founding major venues on the Vegas strip, to me, is more interesting and more unique. But again, if this is what it takes to get through DYK I'm ok with it. --Mcorazao (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I am confident that this article can go to DYK with a really interesting hook. (There's been a lot of interesting vice in Texas!) It's just that reviewing it requires a lot of uninterrupted attention. --Orlady (talk) 19:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

There are some really interesting points in the article, but I'm having a hard time phrasing them to include the link to the article. For example:

• Fort Bend County for a time registered more liquor licenses than all other businesses combined.
• So many immigrants to the state were criminals and others fleeing the law from other parts of the U.S. that in many communities it was considered impolite to ask too many details of a person's past.
• Though prostitution was illegal in most cities it was not only tolerated but accepted; bordellos were commonly licensed, and the businesses and prostitutes were "taxed" by way of regular fines that were imposed upon them.
• In San Antonio, following the practice in other parts of the U.S., an annual guide was published for the city's Sporting District ranking the brothel's according to quality and cost.
• In 1906 Dallas city commissioners created the "Frogtown" district northwest of downtown officially making prostitution legal, in contradiction to state law.

Any of these could make interesting hooks, they just need to be worded properly to include the link to the article. cmadler (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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