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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on September 22

National Ploughing Championships

The 2006 National Ploughing Championships in Carlow
The 2006 National Ploughing Championships in Carlow

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vigilant Eagle

Created by B.s.n.R.N. (talk). Self nom at 11:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Red-capped Parrot

  • ... that the adult and juvenile specimens of the Red-capped Parrot were so different that its discoverer Heinrich Kuhl gave it the specific name spurius, meaning "illegitimate"?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 10:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boletus zelleri, Boletus mirabilis, Suillus americanus, Suillus brevipes, Suillus lakei, Leccinum manzanitae

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 08:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 21

Najibullah Zazi

  • ... that Najibullah Zazi was arrested by the FBI on suspicion of planning a large-scale terror attack in the United States?

Created by Geo Swan User:Historicist (talk)(User talk:Historicist). Self nom 22 September 2009 (UTC)


Arnold Laven

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 07:26, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1900BCE Near East mass migration

Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 07:25, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elections to the People's Assemblies of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus

New Jersey Route 85

5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sue Eakin

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyas Kashmiri (militant)

Created by Joshdboz (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Republic of Love

  • ... that Canadian writer Carol Shields died before she ever got to see the completed version of the screen adaption of her novel, The Republic of Love, despite being involved in the pre-production of the film?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 14:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of TNA Women's Knockout Champions

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dearbhla Walsh

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 12:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trimön

  • ... that Trimön, a noted Tibetan conservative politician and governor was one of the eminent officials involved in the search and recognition of the reincarnated 14th Dalai Lama in 1935?

5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 11:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jal Mahal

  • ... that restoration of Jal Mahal (pictured) plays an importanat role in the monuments’ centric Jaipur in Rajasthan which attracts 650,000 national and 175,000 international tourists every year?
  • Comment: Stub artcile expanded by more than five times

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lunugamvehera National Park

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Adeney

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 10:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tulad Ng Dati (film)

Created by Kguirnela (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sanni Yakuma

  • ... that the Sanni Yakuma is a traditional exorcism and dance ritual that calls various demons believed to be ailing humans and humiliates them through comic and obscene enactments?

Created by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 20

Ernst Märzendorfer

Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Typhoon Choi-wan

Created by Cyclonebiskit (talk), Jason Rees (talk). Self nom at 09:32, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hereford Road Skew Brisdge

Skew railway bridge over Hereford Road in Ledbury, Herefordshire, England

Created by MegaPedant (talk). Nominated by Simply south (talk) at 20:34, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

London Transport (brand)

"London Transport" logo on the radiator grille of an AEC Regent III RT bus

Created by MRSC (talk). Nominated by Hassocks5489 (talk) at 19:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saint-Savin, Hautes-Pyrénées

5x expanded by Invertzoo (talk), Herbythyme (talk), Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coombes Church

  • ALT1:... that the ancient wall paintings in Coombes Church (pictured) in West Sussex include a man grimacing as he holds up the 30-inch (76 cm)-thick chancel arch?
  • Comment: Couple of possibilities there; I prefer the ALT because it's the wall paintings that the church is most famous for.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flickr photos - if there's a good one, the person who took the photo may agree to relicensing it so that it can be uploaded to Commons. BencherliteTalk 12:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx Bencherlite. Unlike most Sussex churches, I haven't personally visited this one as it's very remote and I have no transport; also I read somewhere that it may be temporarily closed for some refurbishment. I'll investigate Flickr possibilities. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Post Office (Scotia, New York)

  • Comment: This is sort of unusual because public officials usually aren't the ones who start online petitions. Also, a reviewer will have to go to ipetitions and verify there because we're not allowed to link directly to it

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 16:03, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sir James Sanderson, 1st Baronet

Created by Victuallers (talk), Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • note: refs are in the lede
(alt)... that Lord Mayor, Sir James Sanderson's widow helped make a rich prophet? Victuallers (talk) 12:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Further note: we also worked together on William Huntington (preacher), created 17th Sept, but sadly we think it is ineligible for DYK because an article on the same man (consisting of the text of a chapter from an out-of-copyright (hence PD) book) existed under a different name. See talk page for full details. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Black African Students Federation in France

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liz Shuler

  • ... that as of 2009, Liz Shuler is the first woman and youngest person to hold the position of AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer, and the highest-ranking woman in the labor federation's history?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Buildings and architecture of Bath

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response - I've added refs (from UNESCO & BBC) which shows it is the only one in Britain, so the hook could be changed to that. Sorry I didn't realise I had bolded Bath— Rod talk 14:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Super job on this article BTW. Well done! Keep it up!! Himalayan 15:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad the BBC one works for you but the UNESCO one (ref 3 in the article) goes directly to the list of World Heritage sites in United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from which you can see Bath is the only whole city.— Rod talk 20:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article draws on pre-existing content at Bath, Somerset; it's been expanded, of course - but 5x expanded? I'm not sure... BencherliteTalk 12:49, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response: If you look at the architecture section of that article you will see some of the same topics eg World Heritage Site status & much of the Georgian period but the 940 words in that section of the Bath, Somerset article has been expanded to 4720 on this article (excluding infobox, picture captions, refs etc )(roughly 5x expansion). You might also want to take a look at the lead of Grade I listed buildings in Bath and North East Somerset which also has a short paragraph summarising some of the same material & includes many of the same links but in different formats, and the articles about the specific buildings & architects which will also have some overlaps. This new article brings together all the disparate threads into a new article with a different focus.— Rod talk 13:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tankerville Chamberlayne

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UAAP Season 72 men's basketball tournament

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of operas set in the Crusades

Torquato Tasso

  • Comment: The prose character count is 8307 (excluding the actual list as well as headings, other bullet points and notes). The hook and citation are at the beginning of this section. The article uses a shortened footnote format for the inline citations. Consult the Sources section for full bibliographic information and links for the citations.

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Linxia County

A temple under construction in Linxia County

5x expanded by Vmenkov (talk). Self nom at 13:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not that the numbers by themselves are remarkable, but I found it interesting that the county's authorities bothered to collect and publish the statistics. I also provide two alternative pictures, for the reviewer to pick one that looks the best at this resolution. Vmenkov (talk) 13:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Despite what I am sure are your best intentions, please don't add two pictures as they mess up submissions that come below. I'm sure that you have sufficient insight and knowledge to be able to choose one or other of the pictures. If everyone submitted two pictures this page would be a mess. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 15:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. I've removed the alt image from this page, but anyway it's here. Vmenkov (talk) 00:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Enno Brandrøk

Created/expanded by Gabagool (talk). Self nom at 16:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the hook a bit, and got it down to 195 words if I'm correct. User:Gabagool/sig 14:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I have now added citations. User:Gabagool/sig 17:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
4855/3955 = 1.2x prose expansion. Articles must be new or 5x expanded recently to qualify for DYK. It seems unlikely that 5x expansion can be reached for this article. Shubinator (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Cordier

Created/expanded by Ericoides (talk). Self nom at 11:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blurred lanternshark and smooth lanternshark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 01:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chrysotriklinos

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 19

Global Irish Economic Forum

Bob Geldof
Bob Geldof
Bob Geldof
Bob Geldof
Bob Geldof
Bob Geldof

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 12:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bulgarians in Italy

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Searcy

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

* alt 2 ... that after attending the inauguration of Barack Obama, Tuskegee Airman Robert Searcy said, "When I leave this earth, I leave it with a smile on my face"?
  • The point is that the guy went to war with Tuskegee Airmen, and when he came home, they gave him a job cleaning planes instead of a position of greater responsibility. A sad comment on US race roles in the late 1940s. But if that point is not clear or interesting, then use the alt. Either one is fine with me.Cbl62 (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

French occupation of Tunisia

5x expanded by PHG (talk). Self nom at 11:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Revenge (Seinfeld)

Screenwriter Larry David

5x expanded by Music2611 (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Schenectady Armory

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rick L. Farrar

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT:... that as a state representative from Pineville, Louisiana, Rick L. Farrar opposed assistance to the New Orleans Saints for damages sustained by Hurricane Katrina?

Gerald Patrick Aloysius O'Hara

Created by Tajm (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 03:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Brown (track and field athlete)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that Matt Brown, a paraplegic by virtue of an industrial accident, coaches high school football and track and field in Lubbock County, Texas?

Tomora

5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 22:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(less)
ummm the article says they translated it themselves ... these societies (just?) got it printed and provided education. Actually the article says they provided education "in English" ... (that's a bit cruel if they don't speak the language.) Victuallers (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Gjems-Onstad

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zemi

  • ... that among the Taino people of the Caribbean, a zemi (drawing pictured) is a spirit or a sculpture representing the spirit?

5x expanded by Uyvsdi (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Breakers Hotel (Long Beach, California)

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 20:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Q1 rule doesn't necessarily need to be enforced mechanically; the rule allows for the seldom-used "discretion of the selecting reviewers". But if it was mechanical, it doesn't exceed 200 without including the ... and the (pictured), and we don't usually count either one. Furthermore, the total would then be 201 characters, and if that's the standard, then perhaps it's time to remove the "about" from "about 200" in Q1's text.
  • Or if it wasn't mechanical, I think you have to make some kind of reference to your subjective judgment, rather than just say "too long" when it would normally be considered short enough. Art LaPella (talk) 17:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree its too long because its not hooky. Including three ideas is too much. 200 characters are there if you really need them. I think if you decided to drop one or two of the facts in the hook I might have clicked to find out more. As it is I feel as if I know all there is to know Victuallers (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dry Dock Engine Works-Detroit Dry Dock Company Complex

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 19:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edited down to 194, with only a little loss of info. Andrew Jameson (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Enquiry only ..."curtain walls of traditional brick" ... according to wikipedia (and my understanding) curtain walls are usually made from glass. Are these not just "walls"? Victuallers (talk)
A good question, actually, and one that makes this an interesting building. Curtain walls are typically of glass, but the defining feature of the curtain wall isn't the material, but the fact that they're non-load-bearing (so the machine shop here does indeed have "curtain walls"). The machine shop is of a fairly unusual design, in that the curtain walls are actually constructed as if they were load-bearing (with tie bricks etc), even though though the steel framing supports the building weight. The building is a conservative architectural hybrid, embracing the new (in 1892) frame structure, but keeping the traditional look of solid brick walls and standard windows. It was a little hard to boil all that down into the hook (what with the rather long article name), so tweaks are welcome. Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Acerno

5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 18:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Quinn

Quinn while with the Dallas Cowboys

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 18:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of unions affiliated with the AFL-CIO

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ecaterina Andronescu

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk) and Biruitorul (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Two questions for now: do we need to repeat the country name three times in the hook? Also: is it not worth mentioning, rather than that she's a senator, that she is the serving Education Minister? (Mind you, this might change by the time the hook is approved: the government she is part of is facing a crucial vote in parliament and also rumored to be facing reshuffling, stuff that is not covered in the article but is in the news.) Dahn (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Reviewers could consider the alternate below, which is arguably a bit more interesting:

USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 17:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marcel Oopa, Democratic Rally of the Tahitian People

Created by Soman (talk), Soman (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great Grey Shrike

A Great Grey Shrike roosting in Poland

  • [see below]

5x expanded by Dysmorodrepanis (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC) Pick any of the following hooks:[reply]

  • ... that Great Grey Shrikes (Lanius excubitor) during the breeding season, before and after they nest and raise their young, have a particular kind of display flight which causes groups to assemble on neutral ground outside their territories to socialize?
True, but it's difficult to put it any other way (they only do this before they build nests and after the young have fledged, they do not leave spontaneously but the territory-holding groupmembers need to perform this flight pattern until enough have assembled, and so on). It's the most interesting behavioral quirk of these birds, so I put it in nonetheless. The other hooks should be fine too, though. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 15:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Great Grey Shrikes (Lanius excubitor) have been recorded to hunt and kill mammals almost as large as they themselves are?
  • ... that Great Grey Shrikes (Lanius excubitor) have been recorded to skilfully skin toads to prevent the poisonous skin secretions from spoiling the meat?
  • ... that Great Grey Shrikes (Lanius excubitor) often nest near Fieldfares (Turdus pilaris) and cooperate with these to prevent their young from being eaten by crows?

Mar Ammo

  • ... that according to Manichaean tradition Mar Ammo brought Manichaeanism east into Sogdiana, and was viewed as the founder of a Manichaean sect after the death of Mani?

Created by Zaharous (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 18

Du Jun

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Friedrich Oskar Giesel

Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Surely the hook could be that Friedrich Giesel is thought to be the first to discover Actinium although another was credited in his lifetime?
or Element number 89 should be called Emanium as some say Friedrich Giesel isolated it first? (based on ref 7) Victuallers (talk) 17:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Lets make it offical alternatives! Thanks for the suggestions, I was a little afraid to claim for him something he never tried although other element discoverers started the fight like Carl Auer and Georges Urbain about Lutetium.--Stone (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yilun Yang

Yilun Yang, scoring life-and-death problems in 2009

Created by Doncram (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Emanuel Levenson

Created by Cmadler (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply] 

Feel free to reword, this is the best I've been able to come up with.

Jesse Sublett

Created by Blanco pagina (talk), Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 05:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tulsa Tribune

  • ... that historians have cited an article in the May 31, 1921, Tulsa Tribune as a cause of the Tulsa race riot, but all copies of that page of the newspaper have apparently disappeared?

Created by Arxiloxos (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sandouping

Pomelos in Letianxia, across the river from Sandouping

Created by Vmenkov (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rebild National Park

Created by Hauganm (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 03:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First Congregational Church (Long Beach, California)

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 20:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Burnett

Created by User:Richard Ridgeway, User:RFD, and Orlady (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 16:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dale Sittig

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT... that Dale Sittig, a former Democratic member of the Louisiana House and Public Service Commission, was named director of his state's Offshore Port Authority by GOP Governor Bobby Jindal?

B.G. Dyess

ALT... that former Louisiana State Senator and ordained Baptist minister B.G. Dyess once led a prayer rally urging citizens to plead to Almighty God for blessings upon their public schools?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First Presbyterian Church of Redmond

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Travis Touchdown

Created by New Age Retro Hippie (talk). Nominated by Zxcvbnm (talk) at 21:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Lawford

  • ... that John Lawford was the only captain who fought at Copenhagen in 1801 to receive an honorary reward specifically for his actions during the battle?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmm, "No. 19638". The London Gazette. 20 July 1838. merely lists him among a group of appointemtns made to mark Victoria's coronation. No mention of Copenhagen. David Underdown (talk) 15:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- need to find another hook and source before re submitting, unless the Gazette is wrong (which could be a DYK hook!) Victuallers (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, but this is a misreading of the Gazette notice. I've explained in more detail on Talk:John Lawford. Benea (talk) 21:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC) ;Agreed Victuallers (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alula Engida

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • size good, date OK, nice to see you added the pic, interesting chap ... only problem is "often", I looked at your refs, I googled it, OK "he has been called" but I'm not sure I can see where the "often" comes from. Actually he seems to be a notable person in his own right. He seems to have held back more powerful (on paper) enemies. So in summary. OK if you lose (or defend) the word "often" Victuallers (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetan Annals

  • ... that the Tibetan Annals form the oldest surviving Tibetan history providing a dated summary of events from 641/2 to 764 CE, when Tibetan soldiers returned from sacking the Chinese capital, Chang'an?

Created by User:John Hill (talk). Self nom John Hill (talk) 04:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Great Falls Tectonic Zone

Map of the Great Falls Tectonic Zone

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plaza Garibaldi

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 17

2009 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final

Tadhg Kennelly
Tadhg Kennelly

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 11:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Gossip (The Office)

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk) (among other contributors). Self nom at 05:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fairy in a Cage

  • ... that in the Roman porno film Fairy in a Cage (1977), according to actress Naomi Tani, in order to realistically show tension in her thigh muscles, the actress' upside-down torture scenes were not faked with suspension braces?

Created by Dekkappai (talk). Self nom at 19:14, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note Just realized this hook is not verifiable online. It's from a print interview with the actress. I'll be able to provide a scan of the page it's from, if any reviewer needs to see that. Dekkappai (talk) 19:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skinner & Eddy, USS West Elcasco (ID-3661), SS West Eldara, USS West Haven (ID-2159), USS West Hobomac (ID-3335), SS West Humhaw, SS West Lashaway, SS West Maximus

SS West Haven

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: There is no absolutely straightforward way of confirming this hook. I think the easiest way would be to go to the table at the bottom of the Skinner & Eddy page, click on the table sortbutton in the "Year" column to sort the ships chronologically, which will enable you to quickly count the number of ships lost in WWI and WWII (you are looking for results in the "Fates" column of "Bmb" = bombed and "Torp" = torpedoed) then open a new tab containing the shipbuildinghistory.com ref from the same article and just check to ensure that the fates listed in my table conform with those listed in the shipbuildinghistory table. Gatoclass (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS Edenton, SS West Cressey, SS West Elcajon, SS West Gotomska, SS West Hosokie, SS West Loquassuck, USS West Mahomet (ID-3681), USS Western Front (ID-1787)

SS Nikkosan Maru (later USS Western Front)

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alice O'Sullivan

  • ... that "a whole entertainment ecosystem" involving donkeys and sheepdogs emerged from Alice O'Sullivan's victory in the 1959 Rose of Tralee pageant?

Created by Candlewicke (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Union College

Joseph Ramée's original plan of Union College in Schenectady, New York

5x expanded by Eliphaletnott (talk). Nominated by UpstateNYer (talk) at 21:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just want to make something clear here: the rewrite is approx. 49,000 characters. Before this rewrite, the article had approx. 10,000 characters. This is ignoring the "Alumni" section in the old version. The alumni section has been updated substantially, and was removed from the Union College article upon creation of List of Union College alumni. While the current version may be just short of 5x expansion, you must note, during your review, that the quality increase is easily more than 10x better, if one could quantify the value. :) Number of inline citations has grown by 5.46 times and the history section has increased by 9.11 times. To me, this is an example where a crappy article had an unfortunate length, which negatively influences a DYK nom, in which the new version is quality writing, well-sourced, and insightful for the curious mind that wants to know more (trustworthy information) about this institution. I'm hopeful the DYK regulars will see this as a definite exception to the 5x rule. upstateNYer 21:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I second that motion! Bearian (talk) 21:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sources, etc. check out. Current size 44048 / previous size 9563 = 4.6x expansion. I don't consider myself enough of a regular to approve the exception, but I think it may be warranted in this case. cmadler (talk) 20:16, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • More than 10 paragraphs don't have inline citations. Overall, the article is well-referenced, but since you're asking for an exception ... Also, the last paragraph in the "Rankings" section (and the section in general) has unencyclopedic tone. Shubinator (talk) 19:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • All due respect, but this isn't FAC, it's DYK. This can definitely be considered "generally complete", as is required by DYK rules. The other issues you bring up don't really fall under the DYK rules. But I will mention your issues to the main contributor. The Athletics section has the fewest citations because it's under construction (the Athletic Director at the College is currently working on it, actually). Just realized that the alumni section has few as well, which could have something to do with me creating the daughter article. I'll mention that to the lead author; he has all the hard copies of the sources. I'll also be sure to mention the tone in Rankings. upstateNYer 21:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sentimental Lady

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 19:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suceava North railway station

Created by Terra Awas (talk). Self nom at 12:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't know if this has any bearing on the hook (which, incidentally, checks out), but I want to add that there is reasonable suspicion to assume that Terra Awas is a sockpuppet of Mario1987 (currently blocked for one month). I've asked an administrator to verify my suspicion, but there was no reply yet, and I frankly have much trouble figuring out the checkuser system. I'm posting this here because I would believe it quite problematic for the sockpuppet of a blocked user to be credited for DYK. Dahn (talk) 02:29, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

60th Anniversary of the People's Republic of China

Created by Colipon (talk). Nominated by Ohconfucius (talk) at 03:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 16

Insurance Exchange Building

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonny Doon Ecological Reserve

Created by Marcia Wright (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 19:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pietro Gonzaga

Created by NVO (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Hieram Sankey

Sankey Tank in Bangalore

Created by Prashanthns (talk). Self nom at 08:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chief Kno–Tah

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Gate Assembly

Created by Olds 403 (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • No it wouldn't, not if I understand you. If you mean that you want to add something like Scarborough Van Assembly#Models produced, DYKcheck won't count that as "prose" because it's a list, and lists are one of the categories that we don't consider to be prose (your references aren't considered prose either). Therefore the list won't count towards the 1500 character prose minimum, and therefore it won't help satisfy C1. I don't approve nominations and it depends on how they enforce it, but the bureaucratic answer is that you need 179 more bytes of prose – that is, one more long sentence or two short ones, but a list won't help it to be long enough. Art LaPella (talk) 20:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cameo glass

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Master (naval)

  • ... that during the Age of Sail, the Master, or Sailing master was the second most important officer aboard a Royal Navy rated ship, but did not wear an official uniform until 1807?

5x expanded by Kirk (talk). Self nom at 19:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • the statement in the article is uncited, but also unqualified, nor does it support the hook. The statement runs '...was the second most important officer aboard most ships.' (emphasis mine). How are we judging importance, as it's clearly not in terms of rank. If it's in terms of necessity to operating a ship, 'second most important' seems too subjective a term to be used without clarification. Benea (talk) 00:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cited the source, added the time period, and changed the lead slightly to qualify ship and remove most; just to clarify, most ships did not have an admiral on board (which would demote the master to number 3 importance), and some ships didn't have masters. Kirk (talk) 14:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook still doesn't seem accurate. It states unequivocally that the sailing master was the second most important officer aboard a Royal Navy rated ship, but that would change to third if there was an admiral (or commodore). What if there was an admiral, a captain of the fleet and a flag captain? Or the ship was carrying another captain as a passenger as well as her commanding officer? By 1827 the larger ships carried a commander as second to the captain, and by rank the master is actually alongside the lieutenants. This is the problem I have with levels of 'most important' being used. How about a hook which focusses on the duties: Benea (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1: ... that during the Age of Sail, the Master's responsibilities aboard a Royal Navy rated ship included navigating, manning, victualling, and docking and undocking the vessel?
  • ALT2: ... that prior to receiving their own uniform in 1807, Masters in the Royal Navy were sometimes treated like ordinary sailors rather than officers if captured?

William of Enckenvoirt

Created by Omegastar (talk). Nominated by DragonflySixtyseven (talk) at 12:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ill see if i can dig up some more. Omegastar (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok i added some citations and found more sources. Will this do? Omegastar (talk) 20:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a start, but common practice is that DYK articles should have at least one in-line citation per paragraph. The paragraphs here are short, so I could see bending that a bit, but it's a long way away. Also, the source cited for this particular statement doesn't seem to say that (as far as I can find), and in fact, farther down the page, it says of Fabian LUZJAÑSKI(ca. 1470-1523) that "According to some authors (1), he was created cardinal by Pope Adrian VI at the end of 1522 or beginning of 1523." cmadler (talk) 20:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm i didnt notice that. The site-source provides links to an article about fabian luzjanski on the polish wikipedia, which, according to google translator, says "He was reportedly under consideration as a candidate for the nomination of Cardinal." But i dunno; that site is pretty reliable. Omegastar (talk) 20:48, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "DYK articles should have at least one in-line citation per paragraph. " Is this now a rule? I do hope not. Too many little rules might make entering a new article here more struggle than it's worth.--Wetman (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not in the rules at all, nor is it "common practice". It is a GA/FA criterion, inapplicable here. Only the hook fact must be cited. However there is a problem, as the online ref (which I think is acceptable as an RS) does not state the hook fact, and indeed lists immediately below this guy another cardinal who according to "some authors" was also created by Adrian VI. Since he died while his hat was still en route, there seems to be doubt about the matter. Maybe the hook could be tweaked to reflect that. Johnbod (talk) 15:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Rule creep toward B-class reference level. I disagree that it isn't in the rules at all; our rules specifically say the article in general should use inline, cited sources. Simply put, you're less likely to be challenged if there's at least one cite per paragraph. Shubinator (talk) 19:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC) That'll be a no then Victuallers (talk) 20:15, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT:" ... that William of Enckenvoirt was the only Cardinal to receive his red hat during the papacy of Adrian VI, the other person created dying before his arrived? Johnbod (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

US Post Office-Long Beach Main

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 03:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pope Sisinnius

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 15

Platoon 535

Created/expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mirosław Iringh

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Red-fronted Parrot

  • ... that the first Red-fronted Parrot to be scientifically identified was named Congo Jack?

5x expanded by Snowmanradio (talk), Love2bird (talk). Self nom at 18:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Idiot (musical)

Created by Fryede (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair of Peace and Fraternity of the Free World

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norm Thompson Outfitters

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I thought it was rather hooky that a once $200 million per year company started with a single ad. Though mustard gas is interesting, it focuses more on the founder who only owned the company for a few years. Plus there is far more interesting things about him such as bribing the military police during WWII to keep them out of his bars/brothels, but that is not in the article since it is a little too far removed from the company. Maybe if he gets his own article, those would work. How about this geographic irony:

Project Icarus

Created by Grundle2600 (talk). Nominated by Chrishomingtang (talk) at 05:54, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • What's remarkable about this event is the $150 price. I'd elaborate on that. Something like "... that in 2009 two MIT students made a vehicle to take pictures of the Earth from 93,000 for $148?" Grsz11 22:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Waterman (sea captain)

Created by Piratedan (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Digimon Tamers episodes

5x expanded by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that coincidental occurrence of the September 11, 2001, attacks during the airing of Digimon Tamers brought its metafictional story into comparison with media portrayal of the "experience of the catastrophe"?

Bembridge House

  • ... that the namesake of the Victorian Bembridge House (pictured) was strangled to death in 1999 at the house where she had lived for 81 years?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:03, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus (patrician)

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 23:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Secretariat of Public Education Main Headquarters

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 22:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pope John VI

John VI

  • ... that Wilfrid, an English bishop, travelled to Rome to appeal to Pope John VI when he was expelled from his see?

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zürcher Theater Spektakel

Created by YeshuaDavid (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semyon Trofimovich Bychkov

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 12:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that pilot Semyon Bychkov was awarded both in the Soviet Air Forces and Luftwaffe? Brand[t] 07:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pope John V

John V

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Digimon Adventure episodes

5x expanded by Arsonal (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Akron Zips men's soccer

Created by Navie05 (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 14

Oslogjengen

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kerry Brown (wrestler)

  • ... that professional wrestler Kerry Brown won a tag team championship with his real-life uncle, Bob Brown?
  • ALT1:... that professional wrestler Kerry Brown was occasionally billed as the son of Bob Brown, when he was actually his real-life nephew?

Created by NiciVampireHeart (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*The facts used in the hooks need reliable sources. Grsz11 01:11, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that he won a tag team championship with his uncle is sourced to the Canadian Online Explorer, which is reliable. Online World of Wrestling, which is being used to source "was occasionally billed as the son of Bob Brown" for the second hook can be used in articles - as long as it's not every detail or being used to cite particularly controversial information; it's used in numerous GAs (Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, etc). ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 20:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rancho Las Mariposas

Created by Emargie (talk). Nominated by Binksternet (talk) at 18:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peeters directive

Created by Hooiwind (talk). Nominated by Oreo Priest (talk) at 20:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Binford & Mort

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick McVey

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the Indiana-born actor Patrick McVey apppeared from 1950 to 1954 in the role of crusading managing editor Steve Wilson in the early CBS melodrama series, Big Town?
ALT 2... that the actor Patrick McVey, after limited success in film, won starring roles in three television series: Big Town, Boots and Saddles, and Manhunt?

Jamaal Westerman

s the weather like" before the 2008 International Bowl? 5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How would you suggest wording it then, Brampton is about a half hour drive to Toronto so Greater Toronto Area makes more sense. However I'm not sure how to word the beginning.--Giants27 (c|s) 21:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You could word it "... [[Greater Toronto Area|Toronto area]] native ..." Oreo Priest talk 14:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense, done.--Giants27(c|s) 19:16, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper Arms Apartments

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Rubin (architect)

Created by DVD R W (talk). Self nom at 20:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makiko Esumi

5x expanded by Nihonjoe (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT: ... that Makiko Esumi appeared in 2003–2004 in Japanese government television and print advertisements encouraging the public to make their pension contributions, but forgot to make them herself?
I should note that I did disambiguate the link (here, as well as in the article). Just wanted to be clear. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Reese

5x expanded by Mrwick1 (talk). Nominated by Wknight94 (talk) at 18:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Koza riot

Created by LordAmeth (talk). Self nom at 17:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or: "... that the large Koza riot of 1970, in which roughly 5000 Okinawan civilians clashed with approximately 700 American MPs, started with a traffic accident?" ... or any number of other hooks you might find appropriate. Thanks!! LordAmeth (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Administrative Meeting for Senators not on the list of another Group

Created by Saalstin (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benham Plateau

Andrew E. K. Benham

Created by Gubernatoria (talk). 5x expanded by 23prootie (talk). Self nom at 14:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded, please check if it now qualifies.--23prootie (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Still needs about another 800 chars of main body text. Also I don't think either the hook or the reference it's cited to are acceptable. I think you will need to come up with a new one. Gatoclass (talk) 09:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 13

Leon Feiner

  • ... that Leon Feiner (“Michal”), a leader of the Bund and prezes of Żegota, was the main author of the communiques from Poland to the Western allies, in which he described German Nazi terror against the Jews?

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done (earlier, forgot to say it was "Done").radek (talk) 04:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Pickard (American actor)

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Son of Ingagi

Film poster for Son of Ingagi

Created by Andrzejbanas (talk). Nominated by Dream out loud (talk) at 05:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Every Day Life

Created by DantheCowMan (talk). Nominated by Dream out loud (talk) at 04:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Do you mean the quotes in the lead, or the standout quotes? As far as the general design of the article goes, I know that It's unusual, I felt that the artist was a lot more eloquent than I could be with prose. Dan, the CowMan (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyushin Il-32

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Chinese lead poisoning scandal

  • ... that 851 children were reported to have been poisoned by a lead plant in Shaanxi province in China this year?

Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 14:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article doesn't say what the reference does. On a spot check I found the sentence The plant has now been closed down, but according to Western reports all coverage in the Chinese media of events has now been banned, which is sourced to ref 1. However, ref 1 does not say Chinese media coverage was banned. Also, there are spots of close wording, for example,
Article: 851 children from seven villages surrounding the plant were found to have high levels of lead in their blood, in some cases upto 10 times the Chinese safe limit ...
Source: ... 851 children in seven villages were found to have excessive levels of lead in their blood. Some had 10 times the limit that China considers safe for children ...
Shubinator (talk) 02:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually ref 1 says: "It was the start of a scandal that would explode onto the front pages of Chinese newspapers, only to vanish because of censorship, intimidation and a local cover-up that has now extended to restricting tests for the children." [my bolding] "only to vanish because of censorship" I take to mean that "coverage in the Chinese media of events has now been banned" - as the article states. Is that inaccurate? Could you have missed that when you read the ref? It later says "Today the smelter is cold and silent." Does that not mean "the plant has been closed"?
As for the close wording - is there a rule about that? Is it not allowed? Copyright infringement is banned but I feel that the sentence, while being similar, has been changed enough. It's just accurate citing of the source. Malick78 (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I missed that part in the source, thanks for pointing it out. Is the nosebleed sentence also sourced to that ref? I can't find it.
A Signpost dispatch from April describes close wording, our policies on it, and how to avoid it. The "Adapting sources: paraphrasing and summarizing" has a nice example. This article is good for the most part, and switching around the sentence structure would iron out the remaining close parts. Shubinator (talk) 05:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tjaskers in Drenthe

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyushin Il-18 (1947)

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 09:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it's not particularly interesting, but there's not a whole lot to work with here. The only things I can think of are the diesel thing like Mjroots said or the fact that it towed the Il-32 glider prototype. And neither of those are actually all that interesting. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so sure, Sturmvogel. People don't generally associate diesel engines with aircraft. Mjroots (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1=... that the initial design for the Soviet Ilyushin Il-18 airliner used four Charomskii ACh-32 diesel engines? Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article currently cites one source; could you add more? Also, we ask that the citation for the hook is right after the hook fact. Shubinator (talk) 21:32, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kotla Mubarakpur Complex

  • Comment: Stub article expanded by more than five times

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt Hook:)... that Mubarak Shah, son of Khizr Khan of the Sayyid Dynasty who founded Mubarakabad city (now untraced), died in 1434 AD and was buried in (pictured) in Delhi?

Articles created/expanded on September 12

Stockade Historic District

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 14:58, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that happened just yesterday. I don't know what's going on ... perhaps they forgot to pay their hosting bill or something? Perhaps we should use the archived versions. Daniel Case (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jeannette Hamby

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

French legislative by-election in Guinea, 1954‎

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boots and Saddles (TV series)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1:... that an episode of the syndicated western television series Boots and Saddles features Strother Martin as a soldier with a domineering wife?
AlT 2:... that in an episode of the syndicated western television series Boots and Saddles, the soldiers face military discipline for giving food to hungry Paiute Indians?

Union Street Historic District (Schenectady, New York)

Created/expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 17:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have JavaScript enabled? Daniel Case (talk) 14:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Never been a problem for me ... Daniel Case (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pulque

  • ... that pulque′s decline in Mexico is due to beer brewers' assertions that the beverage was fermented with feces?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I disagree. The hook makes no assertion about the claim being true, and the article does say that it is known to have happened in some fringe cases. As long as the hook is interesting (and I dare say it is), I think we should stick with it. That said, the article could do with some copyediting, but it is already a commendable contribution.
  • Also, I took the liberty of changing the title of the hook link to a lower case, which I suppose is an uncontroversial change. Dahn (talk) 03:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, the hook directly states that pulque′s decline in Mexico is due to beer brewers' assertions that the beverage was fermented with feces. it presents an unsubstantiatable claim of cause and effect. Not for the Main Page.--Wetman (talk) 05:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article does state a cause-and-effect relationship and I added a citation from the excellent article suggested by User:TheMexicanGentleman However an alternative hook could be ... that beer brewers in Mexico asserted that the native pulque was fermented with feces? (the real hook is the accusation, not whether it is true or whether it really caused the decline of pulque (which Ill tell you from living here it certainly is the truth ... I prefer my pulque curado with mango :D)Thelmadatter (talk) 06:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I agree that the causal relation is not referenced (though admittedly the comment I was replying to did not mention that). This is a problem. However, the hook can also be reworked to drop that causality and keep the referenced fact. Per Thelmadatter. Dahn (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. You're using a quote that says that breweries "slandered" pulque as justification to repeat the accusation? (Apparently some small pulque producers in the 19th century or earlier had engaged in such practices, but I'm not sure why that should be used to stigmatize modern-day pulque producers on the Main Page.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the article I am not using the quote. The information presented in that article in the Siglo de Torreon that TheMexicanGentleman links to is better written than my source but basically says the same thing, so I added the reference. I suspect the real problem with the hook is that some find it distasteful, not because the assertion that the accusation was made and had a negative effect is verifiable.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, I should have made clear that it was TheMexicanGentleman who was using the quote; he gave the hook an approval check mark, and supported it quoting from an article which described breweries as "slander[ing]" pulque. Second, in case anyone was wondering, I had no involvement with the decision of another editor to undo the expansion, and in fact I posted on his talk page to ask him for an explanation, which he did provide on the talk page. Finally, I agree that the hook is distasteful, but the problem is not so much that it is distasteful but that the substance of the rumor was apparently not true at the time the rumor was spread, which itself was 70 years ago or more. By way of comparison, there have been numerous rumors/urban legends about certain consumer products containing distasteful contents or that the presidents of certain consumer products companies appeared on television to brag about being racists or Satanists. In some cases, those rumors have been discussed in reliable sources as having affected the companies' sales. But in the cases where the rumors were not true, I would strongly recommend against making them the hook for a DYK, because just repeating the rumor on the main page of Wikipedia, even while identifying it as a false accusation, could tend to stigmatize the product or company. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think this should be withdrawn for consideration as a DYK. I seem to be having trouble keeping the expanded version from getting reverted.Thelmadatter (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if Senor Cuete thinks he owns the article or what, but IMO his argument, which seems to say you should have asked for his permission before expanding, should not stop an otherwise perfectly eligible article from being featured on DYK. There hasn't been a problem since 13th; do you still want to withdraw? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 03:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 11

Mandell Creighton

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 14:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • No doubt the expansion is valuable, but prose expansion count is only 16082/5795=2.8, byte expansion is not the criterium here. Please understand that we don't judge the validity of old versions (it is done by other WP processes; well, I'm ready to judge if it indeed was nonsense, but it was not) and can't make exceptions on these grounds. Materialscientist (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hillsboro Artists' Regional Theatre

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have a couple of problems with this nomination. First of all, I had to read the article about Bret Harrison to find out who he was. Turns out he's a C-list actor at best, so that makes this hook very uninteresting. It's not like it was Dustin Hoffman or Al Pacino or Meryl Streep that began a career there. That would be interesting. The other problem I have is that Hillsboro Artists' Regional Theatre itself isn't very noteworthy. It's just a community theatre in a town with 89,000 people living in it. Just because you can find a lot of references about a subject doesn't necessarily mean the subject deserves an article in Wikipedia. If this article was nominated for deletion, it probably would be saved because it's full of references, but let's face it, that shouldn't be the primary requirement. The subject should be noteworthy in some way, and I don't see how this theatre group is more noteworthy than 1000s just like it all over the country. Nobody famous started it. Nobody famous has performed there. No famous directors have worked there. No award-winning plays originated there. Who outside of Hillsboro even knows it exists? LargoLarry (talk) 15:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then nominate it for deletion, but unless it is up for deletion we do not fail hooks for notability reasons; and interesting is subjective. As to your view on notability, I think you are confusing importance or fame with noteworthy (or to quote NOTE's lede: It is important to note that a notability determination does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or the popularity of a topic—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject that meets the guidelines explained below.), judging by your repeated use of famous. Remember part of the point of our notability guidelines is to ensure we have independent sources to verify things actually exist and to ensure we can have a well sourced article and not a two sentence stub, which helps avoid the rather embarrassing hoaxes that have been perpetrated on Wikipedia. Noteworthy is just that, have others besides the subject taken note of the topic, specifically reliable sources such as news outlets. Here, yes. Multiple, reliable sources (The Oregonian which is the main source used is top 25 in circulation, multiple winner of Pulitzer Prizes, regional newspaper) have taken note by covering it about 14 times with non-trivial coverage (and likely 100s of times with trivial coverage). And that doesn't count all the older articles that you would be able to find in some of those newspaper's archives that only go back a few years online (or a year in the case of the local paper involved here). Now, the reason we have this type of guideline, requiring coverage by independent sources, is because otherwise going by "famous" then we have too much of a subjectivity problem. The mayor of Moscow, Russia is not famous in the United States. Nor are too many members of Parliament in the UK famous in China. Or look at some of the physics theories we have articles on. How famous do you think those are outside of the physics community (sort of like your "Who outside of Hillsboro even knows it exists" argument; and for that matter how many people know about small town X outside of state Y?)? This is why we do not use fame, or importance, we use noteworthy, and that is well defined, and this article meets that guideline. We go with subjective and not objective criteria, as let's face it, that's a better way to approach the problem. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pocketful of Miracles

5x expanded by LiteraryMaven (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of Bukhara

I have reworked the article to fulfill this criterion, moving unsourced material out, and finding new sources. All paragraphs now have a citation, except for the "Origins in legend" section, which begins "According to the Iranian epic poem Shahnameh...", linking to our good article there. It is dificult to source more than that! I hope that's enough. BrainyBabe (talk) 08:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find the hook in the article; could you point it out? (specifically the "world centre of learning" part) Shubinator (talk) 17:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your attention to this! The sentence is in the "Early Islamic era" section. I have copied it to the lede too. Is that OK? BrainyBabe (talk) 08:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The "Early Islamic era" section covers 661 to 1220. "Five hundred years ago" is ~1500. Shubinator (talk) 01:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 10

Martin Johansson (orienteering b. 1984)

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk), Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The orienteering blogs (WorldofO, AttackPoint) are important secondary sources and they are very reputable. You can examine the primary source yourself: the WOC 2009 website is still selling access to replays of the GPS tracking races. As the actual races go through woods, and route choice is up to the racers, there isn't much to see apart from the GPS tracks! --Una Smith (talk) 04:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the reliability of the blog that I'm worried about. Their 'about' page doesn't show that it qualifies the requirements expected from Wikipedia's sources. Is this blog accepted and used by Wikiproject Orienteering articles then? Are there really no other secondary sources than this? ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 08:19, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Supercell (band)

Created by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This can be made to read more interestingly than a dry definition. For example,
Or, much better and much more interesting, why not:
Also, the "History" section is unclear: who is the "illustrator 119"? This person is never referred to before t his or linked to; is it Shirow Miwa? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
119 is the moniker of an illustrator, unrelated to any of the other members. He/She is not linked to because he/she is not notable enough for a separate article; of the 11 members, only Shirow Miwa has an article because he is notable. 119 is also listed in the infobox as a former member. I edited the line, so it now says "...by an illustrator named 119"; is that good enough? I like the ALT3 version of the hook since it's the most hooky, but because of a lack of concrete citation, I think ALT2 is probably the best choice.--十八 05:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could [6] be used as a reference for it? I don't read Japanese, but I was able at least to search the page for "初音ミク". rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 12:00, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That interview is from a year before they majorly debuted, so there's no mention of human singers.--十八 21:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Lobo

  • ... that Indian writer Michael Lobo has compiled a genealogical encyclopaedia which has exceeded over 6,000 pages?

Created by Kensplanet (talk). Self nom at 10:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for September 23

Roswell and Elizabeth Garst Farmstead Historic District

Created by Doncram (talk). Self nom at 08:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is preliminary, not yet meeting DYK standards in the article, but it will get there soon. doncram (talk) 08:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I7 says "No redlinks in the hook." Art LaPella (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added a link to Heterosis#Hybrid_corn. Otto4711 (talk) 10:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Pls don't make Iowa seem like an agricultural produce grown at a farm. It should be "a farm in Iowa, USA".--74.13.126.87 (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any problem with "an Iowa farm"; this kind of wording is used all the time, and is shortier and punchier (which is important for a DYK hook). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 14:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh... "used all the time"? Yes. The English language gets butchered all the time.... sigh... --74.13.129.5 (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: with development by editor Lvklock, the article was developed fully enough by 5 days from starting it on September 2, to meet DYK's technical eligibility. I applied wp:DYKcheck just now and see it reporting no problems. I notice DYKckeck is reporting number of words, not number of characters, now. While the article may be further developed, perhaps gaining a pic from ongoing correspondence, I trust the DYK should now be okay for use September 23. Thanks! doncram (talk) 14:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
DYKcheck reports both words and number of characters. For this article it says "Prose size (text only): 2015 B (349 words) 'readable prose size'". The "B" is for bytes (characters). Art LaPella (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've expanded it further. Nyttend (talk) 14:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded for September 24 (Arthur's Day)

Arthur's Day

Can of Guinness Original, plus the beer in a glass

Created and nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 22:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Guinness image seems out of context. I know that Arthur's Day is the 250th birthday of Guinness, but a reader wouldn't know the image's relevance without looking at the article first. I agree the "its" should be removed, and also there shouldn't be a piped link for Muslims. If you wanted to keep the image try this:
... that the government of Malaysia has banned the country's Muslims from attending a Black Eyed Peas concert being held in Kuala Lumpur today as part of Arthur's Day, celebrating the 250th anniversary of Guinness (pictured)? –Dream out loud (talk)
...Alt2... that the government of Malaysia has banned Muslims from attending a Black Eyed Peas concert being held as part of Arthur's Day, celebrating the 250th anniversary of Guinness (pictured)? brevity.Historicist (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

15:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

According to the current version of the article, the ban has been revoked. So I think this hook needs some work. Gatoclass (talk) 05:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I like the part about Tom Jones being whisked away to an undisclosed location to perform... perhaps something around that will make a nice hook. ArakunemTalk 17:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created for sometime after September 24

Mette Hanekamhaug

  • Comment: I can't give an exact date for when this should go up, but I'm asking to hold on for a few days for a couple of reasons. First of all, the final results won't come until Thursday (24/09), so it should definitely not go up before that. Secondly, I've requested a photo from her party to go with the article, but this is taking some time. If nothing's happened by a week or so, it should just go up, but hopefully there will be a picture (she's pretty cute...)

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded for September 27

Ayudha Puja

  • ... that in modern India, the ethos of the old religious order is retained by worship of computers during the Ayudha Puja (pictured), as practised in the past for other implements?
  • Comment: Article for the special occasion of Ayudha Puja, a part of the Dassera festivities in India

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See also

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