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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 25

Atari AMY

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Tearoom Trade

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 16:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



List of Darlington F.C. seasons

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Climate of Svalbard

People standing and sitting in a open boat looking a blue ice

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 14:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


seventeenth govermment of Israel

Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Dmytro Tabachnyk

5x expanded by Mariah-Yulia (talk). Self nom at 12:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Alwyn MacArchill

Created by Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk). Self nom at 09:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Supercell (album)

Created by Juhachi (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Road to Total Freedom

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Robert Johnston

Created by Spellcast (talk). Self nom at 04:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 24

Pomona, Namibia

5x expanded by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Don't know if such a double-cited hook is okay. The one source establishes the amount of carats over two years, the other one establishes which years that have been. --Pgallert (talk) 13:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Denisova Cave

Created by Ekem (talk). Nominated by Ekem (talk) at 13:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Take Me to the River

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 11:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of South Africa women Twenty20 International cricketers

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 09:51, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Code of Vengeance

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Blood Compact


Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States v. Ballin

  • Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace & moved into it today

Created by Prose072 (talk), ShinyGee (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 23:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Substorm

  • ... that substorms were first described in 1964?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 21:12, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sociology of leisure

Created by Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Art of Racing in the Rain

Created by 842U (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mahamuni Buddha Temple

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 15:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt hook …that in 1997, strangely a hole seen in the belly of the Mahamuni Buddha image (pictured) in the Mahamuni Buddha Temple in Mandalay, Myanmar was intended to steal jewels believed embedded in it?


Germany at the 2008–10 European Nations Cup

Created by Calistemon (talk). Nominated by Calistemon (talk) at 15:06, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mexeflote

Created by Spitfire (talk). Nominated by Spitfire (talk) at 14:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Royal palace of Mari

Fresco of the investiture of Zimri Lim
  • ... that one of the frescoes (pictured) found at the royal palace in Mari, Syria, depicts in the center the "investiture of Zimrilim" by a warrior-goddess, most probably Ishtar?

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Presidents of the United States who knew a foreign language

Description of the image

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belmont Castle, England

A pale grey castle with battlements and tower surrounded by lawns and trees

  • Comment: The prose character count is 2799 (excluding headings and references). The article uses a shortened footnote format for the inline citations. Consult the Sources section for full bibliographic information and links for the citations.

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Self nom at 12:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Žužemberk

  • ... that in 1575, Countess Ana von Eck from Brda was killed by a tame bear in the castle courtyard of Žužemberk Castle?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prose expanded x10 from 89 bytes. Dr. Blofeld White cat 12:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hamevasser

  • ... that the 1910-1911 Zionist newspaper Hamevasser called on Jews to join the Ottoman army, in an effort to improve Jewish-Turkish relations?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Truce of Leulinghem

Richard II of England

Created by Charles Edward (talk). Nominated by Charles Edward (talk) at 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of National Parks of the United States

Poster with blue background and white clouds showing a white geyser of water coming from a black ground. Text says "Yellowstone National Park", "Ranger Naturalist Service", "US Department of the Interior, National Park Service".

Created by Reywas92 (talk). Self nom at 00:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • At 265 characters the hook is too long. So what about:

Articles created/expanded on March 23

Philip Hershkovitz

Created/expanded by Sasata (talk), Ucucha (talk). Nominated by Ucucha (talk) at 01:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Andreas Karasiak

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arnall Patz

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 05:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The link between receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom and solving the issue with newborn blindness (the context for the quote being used) is not established within the article. It states that he received the medal for helping countless people, not specifically for the action represented in the quote . If this can be addressed should be good to go. Calmer Waters 22:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princeton Tigers men's basketball

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 04:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chetco River

A rocky, deep blue river flowing through steep, forested hills.

  • ... that the world's northernmost grove of Redwood trees is located in the Chetco River watershed (river pictured), and some reach over 300 feet (91 m) tall?
  • Comment: Alternatively a picture of redwoods could be used; although I can't find one of this particular grove, any picture would work.

5x expanded by Little Mountain 5 (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arabia (steamboat)

  • ... that the steamboat Arabia was missing for 132 years before it was discovered a half a mile from the Missouri River under forty five feet of mud?

5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Nominated by Ktr101 (talk) at 23:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have modified the hook, but it still says virtually the same thing. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blessings of the Land

  • Comment: Expanded from 137 characters; now at 1,535 characters.

5x expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guinness Black Lager

A pint of Guinness Stout

Created/expanded by GainLine (talk). Nominated by GainLine (talk) at 23:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You only get carried away if you drink too much of it!! ;) GainLine ♠ ♥ 09:47, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

<= If youre thinking about April 1st, howabout:

Pyongyang (restaurant chain)

Created by Sandstein (talk). Nominated by Sandstein (talk) at 22:44, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandria City Hall

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 19:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States Senate election in Oregon, 1980

Eruption of Mount St. Helens

Created by Esprqii (talk). Nominated by Esprqii (talk) at 19:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Varzuga (rural locality)

View of Varzuga

Created by Ezhiki (talk). Self nom at 19:04, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contains only 1,332 bytes of prose. Can you expand the inline text a little? Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, you are right; I for some reason was under the impression that the counting tool strips irrelevant markup (which I can now see it doesn't). I'll add a bit more in the next hour or so. Thanks for catching this.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 23, 2010; 19:52 (UTC)

Eliza Calvert Hall

  • ...that President Theodore Roosevelt recommended Eliza Calvert Hall's book to "families where the menfolk tend to selfish or thoughtless or overbearing disregard to the rights of their womenfolk"?

Created by FloNight (talk). Self nom at 16:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


St Bridget's Church, Brigham

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gargaphia solani

  • ... that offspring of the eggplant lace bug (Gargaphia solani) almost always fall victim to predation without the protection of their mother?

Created by Richard001 (talk). Self nom at 08:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kavyamata

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 06:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing 747

  • ... that a variant of the Boeing 747 was considered as an aerial aircraft carrier to carry "microfighters"?

5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, but the article is only expanded a couple of sentences out of a former (100kB) featured article. Would need to become over 500kB to meet requirement, which isn't possible without further splitting. Calmer Waters 05:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CARVER matrix

Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dorelia McNeill

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Rosary Catholic Church (St. Marys, Ohio)

23x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Nominated by Nyttend (talk) at 03:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perverted Criminal

Created by Dekkappai (talk). Nominated by Dekkappai (talk) at 02:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why can't we AGF with foreign-language sources? Because it's a more touchy subject than most? Nyttend (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I included the quote in the part of the hook supported by a Japanese-language source: "1967: 日本初の立体映画『変態魔』（監督／関孝二）公開". If you plug that into Google-translator, you get "1967: Japan's first three-dimensional film hentai 『Magic』 (Director / Niseki Taka) Open"-- which, other than the mangling of the director's name (Kōji Seki), and the title (変態魔 = "Hentaima", literally "Ma" is "magic", but it's given the English title Perverted Criminal or Abnormal Criminal) is amazingly good for Google-Japanese. The Japanese source is P*G Magazine written by Yoshiyuki Hayashida, published authority on the pink film, and who has been the organizer of the Pink Grand Prix for the past 15 years... Dekkappai (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I notice now that on the film's poster it says in English "3Dimension Picture", and in the white Japanese text at the top, over the man's forehead, it says, "First 3D feature film in the Japanese film world"... but this does require Japanese-reading ability, and, naturally, we should take a claim made on an exploitation film poster with a grain of salt, but the Hayashida source backs it up, I think. The second half of the hook is supported by Allmovie, so no problem there... Dekkappai (talk) 14:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Norm Nelson, USAC Stock Car, Las Vegas Park Speedway

the front view of a white stock car

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Nominated by Royalbroil (talk) at 01:45, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The source of the facts before the comma are found in Nelson's article and that the land the speedway had occupied was in part used for the Hilton is found in the speedway's article. Royalbroil 02:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spring equinox in Teotihuacán


Add alt-text!
Add rollover text!

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lloyd House

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 22

Papal travel

Map of the travels of Pope John Paul II

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 01:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Edward Stallybrass

Created by Russellphillips (talk) and Dr Aaij (talk). Nominated by Dr Aaij (talk) at 15:41, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duke Farms

5x expanded by Ekem (talk). Nominated by Ekem (talk) at 15:02, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



RAF kills post-World War II

Created by Edthurston (talk). Nominated by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) at 01:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dieter Dorn

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aviastar-TU Flight 1906

Created by Ryan kirkpatrick (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 14:37, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hatzimichalis Dalianis

A man in red dress wearing a turban

Created by Alexikoua (talk). Self nom at 12:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook fact has to be supported by a footnote in the article; the current one isn't. With more views in mind, may I suggest that you include another hook that has something to do with those Drosoulites? Sounds more interesting than his birth place, which was not in Greece at the time anyway. Length and date are okay. Todor→Bozhinov 14:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that a failed Cretan revolt of 1828, led by Hatzimichalis Dalianis (pictured), is the basis for the local legend of the ghost army of the Drosoulites?

I believe this looks fine.Alexikoua (talk) 21:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 21:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lieu Hanh

Created by NeilHynes (talk). Self nom at 00:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could you reword this to emphasize that it was repressed because the government didn't like the Taoist influence? Until I read the article, I wasn't sure if it was this or if the government repressed it because the government was Taoist (after all, there's no reason to believe from the hook alone that this was repressed under the Community government), and it's probably not a good idea to have confusing hooks. Nyttend (talk) 12:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Think that should do it, feel free to change it around if you still think it to be confusing NeilHynes (Talk) 13:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



The Middle Road

A black and white image of a highway intersection

Created by Floydian (talk). Nominated by Jujutacular (talk) at 00:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Saxton

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is an extremely unique event. -- Cirt (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pieter, if one was to go through all the successful DYK's of recent days or weeks, you could say the same for most of them. The article is new, long enough, has a hook cited from the article and is neutral - therefore meets all rules. Orderinchaos 01:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alt... that the Seven Network program Today Tonight described Aaron Saxton's revelations about the Church of Scientology as "stunning" and "shocking"?

Verified - this is a better hook. Source checks out OK. Orderinchaos 02:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Museum of Cretan Ethnology

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 22:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Paige Miles

Cover Illustration taken from the cover of Harper's Weekly, September 7, 1861 showing a stereotypical "Southern belle".

Created by Banananana88 (talk). Self nom at 20:53, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Siraj Gena

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Edvard Sylou-Crantz

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 18:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Bering cisco

  • ... that the Bering cisco migrates thousands of miles up rivers without eating?

Created by Innotata (talk). Self nom at 18:28, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Suggest changing hook to read "as many as 2,100 kilometers" instead of "thousands of miles", or " hundreds of miles". This is what the sources say. Otherwise, length, date of creation, and sourcing for article and suggested alt hook are all good. Tiamuttalk 10:52, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bayne-Fowle House

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Academy Award winning families

5x expanded by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]]). Self nom at 16:23, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

List of battleships of Germany

Dozens of large black ships sit in a narrow body of water

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 15:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks great! Hook is properly sourced with what I know are strong sources, and the date checks out. The expansion of prose isn't 5x — it's approximately 72.6x. Nyttend (talk) 13:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Lisbon Half Marathon

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified bothE2eamon (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inimicus

A brown fish with protruding eyes in sand

Created by DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 06:27, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Concur that it should say "pectoral fins" (dorsal fins are the "top" fins, which are usually not paired). Some small changes proposed below: note that "uses its" has been changed to "use their". In my opinion it should be the species of the genus, not the genus itself (i.e., the taxonomic unit) that are "us[ing] their pectoral fins as legs to walk along the seabed". Intelligentsium 23:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dohhh!! Pectoral fins is indeed correct, and the dyk hook as rewritten is much better. Thanks for your attention to detail; sometimes I should take a break from editing and get some sleep to clear my head... :-) DiverDave (talk) 03:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Dorsal fins would have been much more exciting, though. Wonder how that would look. Ucucha 03:47, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking the same thing!  :-) DiverDave (talk) 11:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The online source quoted in the article says that one species within the genus walks on its pectoral fins. -- Radagast3 (talk) 03:05, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Mein (publisher)

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length OK. Reference for shooting a grenadier is offline, and an online reference says that as a result of the incident (whatever it was) he was put in a debtor's prison. If there is no chance of an online ref for this, please could you give us a different hook with an online citation? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 18:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. Now, if you were to put a link to citation no.5 next to the sentence about shooting the grenadier in the article, all would be resolved.--Storye book (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have done so. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kongō class battlecruiser

Kongo in her 1944 configuration

5x expanded by Climie.ca (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 21

Architecture of Luxembourg

The Celtic settlement at Titelberg

Created by Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Elekhh (talk) at 04:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Gale Thomson

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Scanlan (talk) at 02:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Impatiens denisonii

  • ... that before 2002, nobody had reported seeing a wild specimen of Impatiens denisonii, a rare balsam, since it was first described in 1862?

Created by Marcus334 (talk). Nominated by Circeus (talk) at 16:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Meet the Natives: USA

Created by Britt2008 (talk). Nominated by Sarilox (talk) at 07:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keller Fountain Park

5x expanded by Tedder (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 18:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Treaty of Vilnius (1561)

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 12:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas S. Hammond

Photograph of Tom Hammond in 1903

Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Either is OK by me. I realize "footballer" is not a commonly used term in the USA, but it is commonly used elsewhere and has the benefit of brevity. Either variation works for me. 22:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Birtles & Goble

Created by WWGB (talk). Self nom at 03:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Treaty of Pozvol

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 12:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



El Tiempo (Istanbul)

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length OK. Citation on page 52 says that El Tiempo was "among the most long-lived of them all", which undermines your hook. Please could you either re-write the hook as ALT1 to match the actual citation, and copy it into the article, or start again here with a different ALT1 with appropriate citation? Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 11:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Trinity Church, Cuckfield

Three-quarter view of a long, low grey stone church with a tiled roof and a very tall spire at its far end. Grass and gravestones are in front.

  • Comment: Ref is [4] at the end of the seventh paragraph of "History". A pic of the font wouldn't be instructive, as it has been fully "restored".

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Azalea Trail Maids

Azalea Trail Maids - women in old-fashioned bright hooped dresses.

Created by Blaxthos (talk). Self nom at 22:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fully support image -- I couldn't figure out how to add it, since the DYK template was already used -- thanks for the assist! Obviously I support the text as the submitter.  :) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Watercolour Institute

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Al-Sinnabra

Created by Tiamut (talk), Huldra (talk). Nominated by Tiamut (talk) at 19:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Hehir

Fr. Martin A. Hehir, C.S.Sp.

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


MacGillivray Milne

a black-and-white image of a man's head. He is white, middle-aged, and wears a large white hat with an eagle emblem in the center, and a tie. He is only visible above the shoulders.

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Drangue

better: that in Albanian mythology, the drangue is a semi-human winged warrior who is born wearing a shirt and qeleshe? DS (talk) 03:33, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Nominated by ZjarriRrethues (talk) at 19:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All checks out for either hook.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:01, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


El Jaleo

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 17:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

K.D. Kilpatrick

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marcus R. Clark

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


ALT:...that Marcus R. Clark was elected in 2009 to the Louisiana Supreme Court though he had years earlier been sanctioned by that body for backlogged cases as a district judge?

Jacob Kamm House

A small wooden mansion, French style

Created by Tedder (talk). Nominated by Tedder (talk) at 14:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The wooden exterior corner of a house

Treaty of Novgorod (1557)

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Nominated by Skäpperöd (talk) at 14:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Periyachi

An 8-armed seated woman dressed in a sari, holding a child and various weapons, ripping the womb of a woman, lying on her lap, while trampling a man.

  • ... that Tamil Hindu parents dedicate their one-month old child to the goddess Periyachi (pictured), who is depicted ripping a woman's womb?

Created by Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Redtigerxyz (talk) at 14:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Golm War Cemetery

?

  • ... that the sculpture of a freezing woman (pictured) at the Golm War Cemetery wasn’t erected for more than 30 years because it didn’t match the artistic perceptions of the East German party line?

Created/expanded by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 08:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Protestant church of Jistrum

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.87.73.104 (talk) 18:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC) … that the church of Jistrum once was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter but was cleansed from Saint statues and painted/decorated walls in one week in 1581 during the protestant reformation and became a Protestant church.[reply]

"cleansed" is a bit much.--Wetman (talk) 17:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1… that the church of Jistrum once was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter but was stripped from Saint statues and painted/decorated walls in one week in 1581 during the protestant reformation and became a Protestant church.

ALT2… that the church of Jistrum was a Roman Catholic church dedicated to Saint Peter until the protestant reformation when in one week all Saint statues and painted/decorated walls where removed and over painted and the church became a Protestant church.

Does this sound better?Pindanl (talk) 17:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Forests of Syria

A pine forest in al-Ansariyah mountains

  • ... that the forest surface of Syria has been reduced from an initial amount of 20,000 square kilometres (7,700 sq mi) in 1911 to 4,500 square kilometres (1,700 sq mi) at the present time?

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 08:45, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think initial would refer to the first time it was studied.
  • ALT1... that the forest surface of Syria has been reduced from 20,000 square kilometres (7,700 sq mi) in 1911 to 4,500 square kilometres (1,700 sq mi) at the present time?
  • ALT2... that the forests of Syria (pictured), celebrated throughout ancient times for their richness, have been reduced to their present-day area of 4,500 square kilometres (1,700 sq mi)?
Yazan (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

San Antonio Bay

5x expanded by William S. Saturn (talk). Nominated by William S. Saturn (talk) at 08:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Feel Good Hit of the Summer

5x expanded by Red157 (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Max van Egmond

  • Comment: Good on Good Friday 2 April

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 07:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bupaya Pagoda

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 06:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Adenanthos cacomorphus

  • ... that the specific name of the small shrub Adenanthos cacomorphus, meaning 'ugly form', relates to its allegedly "misshapen" pollen grains?

Created by Casliber (talk), Hesperian (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 06:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neuromance

  • ... that Dope Stars Inc.'s debut album, Neuromance, was originally titled "New Breed of Digital Fuckers" before their record label encouraged the band to change the title?

Created by GroundZ3R0 002 (talk). Nominated by GroundZ3R0 002 (talk) at 06:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old Hansen Planetarium

A three story Beaux Arts style building in an urban settin

Created by Dudemanfellabra (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 20

Barry Bowen

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by Scanlan (talk) at 02:04, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]




Edward Tuckerman

  • ... that the nineteenth-century American botanist Edward Tuckerman liked to write his studies in Latin?

5x expanded by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Church of Saint Ildefonso

A straight-on daylight view of the front aspect of the Church of Saint Ildefonso

Created by Maedin (talk). Self nom at 09:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Winifred Collins

  • ... that Winifred Collins was one of the first females to be commissioned in the WAVES when it began in 1942 and was later Chief of Naval Personnel for Women?

5x expanded by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Food

  • ... that certain tastes are a result of natural selection?

5x expanded by Tommy2010 (talk). Nominated by Tommy2010 (talk) at 03:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • It looks like you made some improvements to the article on food recently, but in order to qualify for DYK, an article needs to have been created or expanded by a factor of 5X in the past 5 days. Also, for future reference, DYK noms should be linked in the hook. James McBride (talk) 04:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Italian battleship Re Umberto

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Nominated by Sturmvogel 66 (talk) at 01:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rag Shankara, Rag Mala in Jogia

painting of a young woman playing a plucket instrument for a parrot

Created by Hekerui (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anzhela Kravchenko

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lado Ketskhoveli

Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 19:50, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. The third citation, ISBN 9780521851046, checks out the hook online. It would aid quick verification of the hook if you could kindly attach this citation to your repetition of the hook which is already in the header. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, i've added that reference in on the hook. SilverserenC 14:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Republican Socialist Party

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edithvale-Seaford Wetlands

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sharp-tailed Sandpiper

StAnselm (talk) 04:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me. Maias (talk) 03:00, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yalbugha Mosque

Created by Zozo2kx (talk). Self nom at 09:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. The online citation verifies "built in 1264 by Mamluk princes". But the rest of the hook is problematic. The important bit and the point of the hook, about fame, influence and beauty, can't be verified as it counts as opinion although we might agree with it. It's difficult to agree on its beauty without an image. I'd suggest simplifying it to:
  • ALT1: ... that the Yalbugha Mosque was built in 1264 by Mamluk princes in Damascus, Syria?--Storye book (talk) 13:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about?
ALT2: ... that the Yalbugha Mosque, built in 1264 by Mamluk princes in Damascus, Syria, served as a resting point before the departure of the Hajj caravan? Yazan (talk) 14:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • In my opinion ALT2 is too long. DYK hooks only need to encourage the reader to click on the bold link: a short hook with a single interesting point will do that. In this case, "built in 1264" is enough for most readers who will not have such an old building in their town. A long, complex hook may put them off - and they'll get full information when they click the bold link, anyway.--Storye book (talk) 09:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welgelegen, Heerenveen

A Dutch smock mill on a tall brick base

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 09:51, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FV103 Spartan

A small tracked armoured personnel carrier with black and green camouflage pattern, parked on a paved surface. Other tanks and a building are in the background.

5x expanded by Chamal N (talk). Self nom at 07:26, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • APCs are not used exclusively for carrying specialized teams. This particular vehicle can carry only four passengers so it's not much use in the standard APC role of transporting infantry units to a battlefield. We could add what these specialized teams are (AA teams, fire controllers etc) if this is confusing. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 01:49, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Olena Krasovska

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and expansion check out. It is not specifically mentioned in the article that Krasovska does not hold the Ukrainian record, and the online refs do not say in so many words that she doesn't hold that record. If you want to use this hook, you will need to write it clearly in the article, with an online citation alongside to verify it. If that is not possible, I suggest a different hook dealing simply with one of her achievements which can be easily verified.--Storye book (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

German submarine U-771

  • ... that while she never sank any vessels in her career, U-771 shot down a British B-24 Liberator aircraft?

Created by White Shadows (talk). Nominated by White Shadows (talk) at 00:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Shadow Tower Abyss

award-winning Demon's Souls, was cancelled by Sony over fears that the game's style lacked market appeal? Created by Mephistophelian (talk). Nominated by 199.246.40.54 (talk) at 16:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 19

Reed boat

Reed boats on a beach in Peru

Created by Epipelagic (talk). Nominated by Epipelagic (talk) at 23:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length and image check out. Ref next to sentence mentioning 7000 years is offline or membership only. I didn't check all refs, so if there are online refs which verify the whole hook, please repeat the hook in the article with all relevant refs alongside, and let us know here. Meanwhile: accepted AGF.--Storye book (talk) 08:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


James Taylor (tenor)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Muscatine

Created by ANB (talk). Nominated by Cbl62 (talk) at 06:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. There's a couple of minor issues which are easily resolved. Hook checks out online on citation number 6 by Kathleen Maclay - please could you kindly attach this citation to the hook in the header? Also, to differentiate the header and to make this very worthwhile article look less like a wall of text, please could you kindly insert a few subheadings? This will force the auto-index to appear, and make the whole article more professional-looking and welcoming. Please let us know here if/when you have done it, so this review can be updated. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you were to repeat the hook in the header (at least for the duration of the DYK period) and put the Kathleen Maclay citation next to it, then the whole hook can be easily verified online in one go. The Maclay citation verifies both the war history and the McCarthyite firing.--Storye book (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aaron Kelly (singer)

Created by Aspects (talk). Nominated by Banananana88 (talk) at 20:03, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Too many issues. Date doesn't check out. Length doesn't check out at 1336 characters of prose. The online reference does check out the hook, but the article has an additional-citations tag.--Storye book (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Erythrina velutina

A few spiny branches with developing flowers on them. In the middle are five or more blowing flowers; they have an orange sac in the middle, surrounded by orange flower leaves, with a multitude of red strips on top.

Created by Ucucha (talk), Casliber (talk), Guettarda (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of international cricket centuries by Viv Richards

A black skinned man with a bald head and black goatee beard. He is wearing a light blue shirt with the top buttons undone, showing a white top underneath.

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Feature-oriented domain analysis

Created by Shirik (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need Your Love So Bad

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 20:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would like to withdraw this article from DYK. Subsequent, and numerous, edits to my original submission have somewhat knocked the heart out of the article. Sorry to waste anyone's time. Thank you,
Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Parallel compression

  • Comment: For some reason, DYK check returns the result that this article was not expanded 5x in the last 10 days. I just expanded it from a 629-character stub to 4164 characters of readable prose—an expansion of 6.6x.

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and expansion check out, no worries. It's online citation no.5 which fits this hook - at least, the interesting bit about five compressors - so please could you kindly write the hook in the article with citation 5 (by Mike Senior) alongside? Then if you let us know here that you've done it, the review can be updated. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 21:03, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leptodora

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. The phrase "probably the only cladoceran to have been described in a newspaper" is a direct quotation from a source cited inline. How would you like to see it changed? --Stemonitis (talk) 08:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The nominate species was described in a newspaper, but the genus was described a few decades later. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 15:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quite right. Well spotted. --Stemonitis (talk) 07:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Domain engineering

5x expanded by Shirik (talk). Self nom at 08:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 18

Park Safety

Park Safety

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 21:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date, length and hook check out. The image has a review template on its Wikimedia Commons file here. It says the image should not be used until the file has been reviewed. The file's history indicates that it hasn't been reviewed yet. So I suggest that you either (1) get an administrator to review it (and let us know here when it's done) or (2) remove the image from here and from the article. At present this DYK nom would be acceptable without the image.--Storye book (talk) 11:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've asked an admin to take a look at it. If it gets to the point where this DYK has been here too long without the image review, please feel free to drop the image from the DYK nom and the article. I'd rather see that happen than the DYK fail. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 12:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a risk I might forget, so if it gets to the point where the image hasn't been reviewed and the DYK nom might fall through the net - please message me on my talk page and I'll remove the image and verify the hook (assuming no other change has been made, meanwhile).--Storye book (talk) 19:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Presbyterian Church (Columbia, South Carolina)

First Presbyterian Church, Columbia, South Carolina

Created by Bradjamesbrown (talk), Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orris S. Ferry

Picture of Orris S. Ferry

5x expanded by Lordoliver (talk). Self nom at T22:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Poss. ALT

Tryon's raid

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I've added info from the source to the article; please verify, and correct the hook if necessary (source says they've burned many more buildings, but only one church). Materialscientist (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, when I look at Nelson p. 170 it says two churches. (Townshend, p. 49, says 2 Episcopal churches.) I know that more buildings were destroyed, but I didn't think it necessary for the hook. Magic♪piano 01:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. (It was weird: Google Books did not show me p.170 directly and offered some snippet plain-text replacement, which said one church. Now I can see the actual text and it says 2 churches. Either Google or my eyes glitched, which is Ok :-), but the weird thing is that the number of burned dwellings, barns and storehouses seems same before and now. Sorry for confusion). Materialscientist (talk) 00:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rapid Lake, Quebec

Created by P199 (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lacey Brown

Picture of Megan Joy (formerly Corkrey)

Created by Banananana88 (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We just need to wait till the debate closes and then we can re-assess if the community views it as a keep at AFD. Stay tuned Ottawa4ever (talk) 22:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AFD closed as keep. Materialscientist (talk) 01:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Firmat

  • ... that a swing in a children's playground in Firmat, Argentina led police to call scientists who were left "baffled"?

5x expanded by The Phantom In Church (talk). Self nom at T21:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • No 5x expansion since Oct. 2008, no 1500 characters of prose. Certainly a city of this size should have plenty of info to expand the article far beyond the stub it is now... -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:02, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wilbrahams Cricket Club

  • ...that Wilbrahams Cricket Club finished in 8th position in the Cambridgeshire Cricket Association Senior Div 1 after previously securing 3 successive promotions?

Created by BurtonH0123 (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Utility room

5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 05:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is problematic. This is a paid-access citation but I would expect it to be an article about utility rooms becoming more popular than laundry rooms, not about language change as the Wikipedia article seems to claim. Utility rooms (by that name) were a common feature of houses where I grew up in Middle America. Rmhermen (talk) 14:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) .... and if I wanted etymology I think I'd go to wiktionary as the article advertises. Its an unusual subject for an encyclopedia Victuallers (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies if I was confused about the rules of DYK. I followed this which is why I nominated it. Anyway please let me know if i missed anything from the rules. I'd sure gladly learn from my misses, if any. --TitanOne (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Kamm

5x expanded by Tedder (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...(alt) that steamboat and railway investor, Jacob Kamm, died five years after being hit by a cyclist? - Say who he is and don't include every detail? Victuallers (talk) 12:16, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It does not seem 'remarkable' to me that someone dies at the age of 89, some five years after being squished by a bicycle. More remarkable that he lived that long. However, please do not let my cynicism devalue this article's chances. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 02:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree, based on age. But it's the most notable thing I could really find on Kamm for the DYK. And pedestrian-bicyclist incidents aren't considered as dangerous as other activities, like under water basket freediving. tedder (talk) 03:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Button

  • ... that clothing buttons have been used to smuggle drugs (since the seventeenth century) and to house miniature working compasses (during World Wars I & II)? (or shorter version: "that clothing buttons have been used to house miniature working compasses and to smuggle drugs?")

5x expanded by TyrS (talk). Nominated by TyrS (talk) at 05:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The expansion info came entirely from the template, so maybe there's some problem with it.--TyrS (talk) 22:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 17

Michael Barlow

Created by The-Pope (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]



Fishing down the food web

Fishing down the food web

Created by Epipelagic (talk). Nominated by Epipelagic (talk) at 22:51, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that if the worldwide trend towards fishing down the food web continues (pictured), consumers may be eating jellyfish sandwiches? --Epipelagic (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Main hook has 5x "fish", alt is a speculation. Materialscientist (talk) 07:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well the alt is a speculation sourced to teh world's top fisheries scientist. How about
ALT2 ... that worldwide fisheries are fishing down the food web (pictured), compensating for the overexploitation of predator fish by targeting species further down the food web? --Epipelagic (talk) 08:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perugia Papacy

Tomb of Pope Benedict XI

Created by Savidan (talk). Nominated by Savidan (talk) at 08:59, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • text I can find in cited ref says "Their original monuments had probably been [missing word?] during the depredations of the papal legate" - so I'm willing to concede that the missing word in the ref is destroyed... but the hook lost the "probably". I've put it back in and you can use this Victuallers (talk) 15:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait of an Unknown Woman

Ivan Kramskoi’s Portrait of an Unknown Woman

  • ... that Russian artist Ivan Kramskoi's 1883 Portrait of an Unknown Woman (pictured) caused a sensation when first exhibited, as critics assumed that the woman was of ill repute, and described her as "a coquette in a carriage" and "one of the offspring of big cities" ?

Created by Ceoil (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pitcher (container)

Eleanor Roosevelt's water pitcher

5x expanded by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 02:03, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article was expanded from 198B of Prose to 1681. Please check here. We're you pertaining to Page size? The rule says prose size. --TitanOne (talk) 18:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Titan is correct, the prose has been expanded significantly, far more than 5x. DYK does not go by byte size, as that can be misconstrued by references and other things in the article. All that is cared about is the size of the actual prose. SilverserenC 19:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Date, fact verified; please expand the article - it is 5x, but a bit shorter (1490 chars) than required min. 1500 characters of prose, and there is so much one could write on this topic. Materialscientist (talk) 05:59, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MS, Please check, expanded with a fact from 8th century history. Thanks. --TitanOne (talk) 08:35, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok for DYK. Materialscientist (talk) 08:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Bottom Farm

5x expanded by Caponer (talk). Nominated by Caponer (talk) at 17:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. Citation 4 (a pdf file) checks out ALT2, which is my preference since it presents an interesting storyline. Just one problem: the part of the pdf file which supports ALT2 contains at least a few sentences which exactly match sentences in the article (the bit which concerns the ALT2 hook). Any hint of plagiarism would have to be removed before this article could be selected for DYK. Please could you kindly let us know here if/when you have re-written the sentences about the wounding, death and burial of Capt Richard Ashby? (I have not checked any further for plagiarism, so I can't guarantee that there is no more of it in the article). Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 13:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alfrredo Navarro Salanga

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, author of the Filipino novella The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was a three-time Palanca Memorial Awardee? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 2: ... that Alfrredo Navarro Salanga, a three-time Palanca Awardee and author of The Birthing of Hannibal Valdez, was also known as "Daddy Giant"? - AnakngAraw (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt 2 checks out- Alt 1 does not have inline citation.E2eamon (talk) 01:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Out of 3 refs, ref. 2 is a blog, ref. 3 seems a spam site; not sure about ref. 1. Materialscientist (talk) 08:44, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maurice Sanford Fox

  • ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments many years before it became a hot topic?

Created by Pjurgensen (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and length check out. Citation no.4 checks out the early study in the twentieth century of efficacy of treatment. However I'm not happy with the remainder of the hook: "many years before it became a hot topic". It was certainly a hot topic 200 years previously in the 18th century, when it was mentioned by writers such as Daniel Defoe. Apparently beggars used to show off their cancers, including breast cancer, to get alms from rich people in carriages. In those days no doubt there were plenty of quacks offering supposed cures and discussing efficacy. Also I'm not sure what "it" refers to in the hook: breast cancer? treatment? efficacy? the study? So on those grounds, please may I suggest ALT1:
  • ALT1: ... that Maurice Sanford Fox is an American geneticist and molecular biologist who studied the efficacy of breast cancer treatments as early as 19-? (experts please insert date and re-write hook as ALT2)--Storye book (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 16

Wayland Dean

Created by Halvorsen brian (talk). Self nom at 18:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Crosby

5x expanded by Btphelps (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Billie Jean black sequin jacket

Created by DinhoGauch10 (talk). Self nom at 21:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DYKalt

ALT1 is 267 characters, exceeding the max. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 13:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this would be a better hook because it shows not only Michael’s love for his black sequin jacket, but also his fansDinhoGauch10 (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have two concerns with this nomination: 1) The article needs to be copyedited (I'm short on time this week or I'd do it myself). 2) Hook fact doesn't seem particularly interesting. Is there something that might be more interesting about this cantata? Maybe that he originally wrote it in C major, moved it to D major with the first revision, and then moved it back to C major? Or something else? If these are addressed, I recommend adding it to the 3/21 holding area for Bach's 325th birthday. cmadler (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The hook fact may not seem interesting to you but ask the Bach fellows who claim that he would ALWAYS close with a chorale, - compare this from Cantata (highlighted by me): "The essential point, however, in Bach's church cantatas is that they formed part of a church service. Many of Bach's greatest cantatas begin with an elaborate chorus followed by a couple of arias and recitatives, and end with a plain chorale. This has often been commented upon as an example of Bach's indifference to artistic climax in the work as a whole. But no one will maintain this who realizes the place which the church cantata occupied in the Lutheran church service. The text was carefully based upon the gospel or lessons for the day; unless the cantata was short the sermon probably took place after the first chorus or one of the arias, and the congregation joined in the final chorale." So I think the hook is quite a statement. - But I will keep thinking. - The C - D - major thing is simple: tuning was different in Leipzig, so he switched, but then it got too high for the choir, and he switched back. That would be for specialists only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really think the key was that big a deal, of course the meaning and significance of key and tonality has changed over time and depending on tuning (equal tempered, just tempered, etc.). But without a certain degree of familiarity with Bach's cantatas it's not apparent that closing with a repeat of the opening chorus is remarkable; it's common in many forms of music (and perhaps even in cantatas by other composers?) to conclude with a repetition of the opening, or at least a restatement. Maybe this hook can be reworded, as we did with BWV 191 ("around 200 cantatas in German but only one...in Latin?") to make it clear the degree to which this is unusual? cmadler (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I wouldn't know immediately a polite way to be more explicit, found that rude enough a way of fighting the so-called "plain chorale". (I don't know a single chorale of Bach - and I know some - that I would describe as "plain".) - I thought about: that Bach loved the piece so much that he still reworked it more than 15 years later, whereas the common thing to do was to compose a new one each year if possible. Would need to be phrased ... ideas welcome for both. (btw I'll be off tomorrow.) o.k. trying one more variation on the theme - and certainly we did the repeat in 2000 and heard interesting comments, nobody believed that it had been Bach himself who wanted it that way, at least in 1714, - no repeat in 1731.:
That's much "hookier" but reads like synthesis. Hekerui (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If that line, perhaps (because "three years after" is not certain):
ALT3 ... that Bach loved his cantata Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten, BWV 172 so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years after he composed it in Weimar? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to the discussion on the work's talk (4 commas in a title?) I changed the title to the hookier and still believe that the title itself is a hook. I didn't change the hook versions above but the title. No link to cantata please - working on it. My next suggestion:
ALT4 ... that Bach wrote Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and loved his cantata so much that he reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later?
  • restart in front: now that we missed Bach's birthday for this I suggest to reserve it for Pentecost 23 May, the occasion Bach wrote the piece for:
ALT5 ... that Bach wrote the cantata for Pentecost Erschallet, ihr Lieder, erklinget, ihr Saiten! BWV 172 in Weimar and reworked it in Leipzig 17 years later? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Timbuwarra

Created by Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Nominated by --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see reliable reference for the hook. Materialscientist (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, how about this:

...that a timbuwarra is sometimes described as a "female pinned by a penis to the wig" in certain rites of the Wiru people of Papua New Guinea? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They were not that - they were worn in that fashion. Materialscientist (talk) 00:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about this:

...that a timbuwarra is sometimes worn in a fashion described as a "female pinned by a penis to the wig"? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:42, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Seguin

5x expanded by Captain Courageous (talk). Nominated by Captain Courageous (talk) at 03:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Im counting 2664 characters to the created size of 1214 which doesnt qualify under a 5x expansion. Sadly the article was re-created March 4th and posted here March 16th and is more than 5 days old. The last issue is the sourcing provided in the article indicates he is a co-recipient and not the sole winner. I do believe the hook would also require a source indicating that he is the sole winner of the award the way the hook is written, otherwise the hook should mention Taylor Hall as well. Ottawa4ever (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph H. Allen

Engraving portrait of a man with wavy hair, bushy eyebrows, and a large beard; man is wearing a suit and facing to his left.

Created by UpstateNYer (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gowardia

Herbarium specimen of a dark hair lichen

  • ... that Gowardia (pictured), a lichen found in arctic and alpine tundra on both sides of the world, is named after the lichenologist Trevor Goward?

Created by Millifolium (talk). Self nom at 00:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 15

Walter Lappert

  • ... that Walter Lappert started an ice cream company at age 61, and on Kauai, with a population of only 40,000 people, he sold out his first batch of 17,000 liters in just two weeks in 1983?

Created by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice hook, but the source doesn't actually state he sold the whole first batch on Kauai. Gatoclass (talk) 07:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. Sorry for delay in respnding, I'm traveling. The sources do say he sold originally only from his own shops, and that he began with one location at Hanapepe and later other locations on island of Kauai. It is not clear from sources when he began selling beyond Kauai or when (or if) he allowed re-selling through other channels to wider markets. I cannot document the negative--that he did not initially export off-island, which it seems is what you suggest is necessary to make the point, but it seems self-evident that did not happen in the first two weeks of business. Hope this can still be considered. Appreciate the comment.Alawa (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tambouras

A man in pantaloons playing a stringed wooden instrument with a long, thin neck

Created by 187.59.18.121 (talk). Nominated by Chzz (talk) at 22:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT 1 -
As it will appear exotic and interesting to many readers, I would simply state something about the instrument itself. - I.M.S. (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with ALT 1; I will endeavour to improve the referencing; as it was created by a (changing) IP, I may not be able to contact them to improve references - from discussions with them, I believe that they are going to create an account, so I will try. I will also try and source at least some of it, in-line, myself.  Chzz  ►  23:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed? I have added inline citations to support at least all the facts given in ALT1.  Chzz  ►  00:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was going to point out the inline citation problem as well. The article looks great now (hook fact is sourced). - I.M.S. (talk) 02:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC) [reply]

Causes of the May Revolution

Portrait of Joseph Bonaparte brother of Napoleon

Created/expanded by MBelgrano (talk). Nominated by Venustas 12 (talk) at 17:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Patience, there are a lot of articles requiring attention from the admins. Just by glancing at the article it seems to pass length, cite existence, cite format and date requirements. But your hook fact needs some work. The fact that Napoleon crowned his own brother Joseph Bonaparte as the Spanish King is cited after the sentence in the article but not the second part of the hook that it was "one of the main" causes of the May Revolution. You need to cite right after the sentence where ever in the article it says this. -- Esemono (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 14

MyTwoCensus

Created by 24.132.199.175 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 20:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Possum

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 12:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


John Erskine Clarke

Created by Motmit (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It must be the first in the Anglican Communion, as there is only one higher authority than Cantuar. Whether other denominations have what is called a "parish magazine" and if they do, whether any of them predate this one, is something of which I could find no evidence when I created the Parish magazine article. I was hoping a particular expert (DU) might have picked this up. You could drop "world's", but without it, it could read as just the first in Derby. Over to you. Rgds Motmit (talk) 13:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Does this help? Seems to imply that its the first in the UK and maybe the world. First in Derby would be lame, but "first Anglican" would be a larger claim if refs are not convincing of a larger claim Victuallers (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hm ... IMO, it only confuses the matter. Materialscientist (talk) 04:27, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leith Hall

  • ... that Leith Hall in Aberdeenshire, Scotland is said to be haunted by the ghost of Laird John Leith, who was shot in the head on Christmas Day in 1763 during a drunken brawl?

Created by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Nominated by Himalayan Explorer (talk) at 21:19, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rosales Saga, Tree (novel), The Pretenders (novel), Mass (novel)

Author of the Rosales Saga sitting down with a red jacket on

  • Comment: Quadrupled hook nominations

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Power of Madonna

A middle-aged woman with wavy blonde hair smiles, gazing to her right

Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello (Glee)

Created by Frickative (talk). Self nom at 19:08, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on March 13

Marine Personnel Carrier

four armoured personal carriers

Created by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk). Nominated by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) at 22:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Throne of God

Treaty of Seringapatam, Third Anglo-Mysore War

Created by Magicpiano (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Drs. Foster & Smith

  • ... that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, initially refused to spend any money on internet advertising, despite launching its online operations the same year as Pets.com?
  • Comment: article was developed outside of mainspace over a period of time & moved into mainspace today

Created by ThaddeusB (talk), DFSBrent (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am considering trying to bring this article up to GA status in the future. As such, if the reviewer is willing to assess the article and/or provide constructive criticism I would much appreciate it. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about something like: ALT1 "That Drs. Foster & Smith, a successful pet supply company, spent no money advertising its website, despite competitor Pets.Com's spending millions on its way to bankruptcy in 2000?" About review, I suggest your requesting a wp:PR after DYK is published. I'll comment at Talk page of article about one matter, briefly. --doncram (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd prefer the original. The Drs. Foster & Smith doesn't actually say Pets.com was spending its way to bankruptcy (and the situation was a bit more complicated that just overspending). I'd prefer to keep the article (and hook) focused on F&S rather than go on a tangent as to why Pets.com failed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay to keep focus on Drs. Foster & Smith, and my proposed alt hook was not perfect either. I was bothered, i guess, by vagueness of "initially" and "the same year as" in the proposed hook. Why not give a specific year. How long is initially, anyhow? For one week? For two years? I am not sure any specific length of time is given in the source, either, which seemed a bit vague when i looked for it the other day. I also don't know if the company actually "refused" to web-advertise. Did someone ask them too, and they actually said no? Or is it just observed that they didn't advertise. And does the source actually know that they did not advertise. There are advertising monitoring services which track/estimate advertising dollars spent by companies in various media; I don't think the source cited mentioned checking in one of those, or otherwise stating the reason for its assertion that the company didn't web-advertise. Maybe I am being too literal though. Perhaps another DYK reviewer would/could check and approve of this one. --doncram (talk) 16:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • All valid points. To address most of them, perhaps ALT2: that Drs. Foster & Smith, a US$250 million pet supply company, elected not to spend any money on internet advertising when it launched online operations in 1998, the same year as Pets.com was founded?
Alternatively, a different fact can be chosen:
  • ALT3: that Drs. Foster & Smith owns the two most widely distributed pet product catalogs in the United States?
  • ALT4: that Race Foster and Marty Smith, co-founders of pet supply company Drs. Foster & Smith, hosted the Animal Planet TV show Faithful Friends for two years?
--ThaddeusB (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado State Highway 35

Colorado State Highway 35 showing the number 35 and a large red C with an orange enter

Created by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk). Nominated by Pzoxicuvybtnrm (talk) at 20:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date checks out. The problem is that the DYK checker comes up 696 characters of prose (lists and tables don't count), far short of the 2000 characters minimum. You have several days to expand the new article. Royalbroil 22:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Viajero

F. Sionil José

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Twice Blessed

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 15:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agrimonia gryposepala

Created by Glorioussandwich (talk). Nominated by Minimac (talk) at 08:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Yes, the counted characters (not bytes) are only those from the prose (excludes citations, templates, info boxes, quotes, references, and section headings). I'll leave a note at the creator's talk page to see if they are interested or able to expand the article further in the short time left, as they may also be unaware of the minimal criteria exceptions at DYK. Calmer Waters 04:56, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Gomez

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

State of War (novel)

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need third opinion here - I am not happy with most references, some statements (State of War was also called as "one of the finest novels of 1988" - by whom? is enotes.com respectable?) and maybe even notability of this novel (most Google hits are from book publishers, who would obviously promote a book they print). Materialscientist (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • On a quick glance, the sources linked at Questia and Goliath seem legitimate, though the citations in the article need to be fixed (for example, Questia is a link for a "[j]ournal article by Rocío G. Davis; World Literature Today, Vol. 73, 1999", and the citation in the article needs to reflect that; likewise for the article at Goliath). The Enotes, DirectEssays, and Amazon links should be removed as citations entirely, which leaves us without a citation for the hooked fact. Like you, I'm dubious about the notability of this novel. cmadler (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 12

Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit

Created and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 10:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • "...although Oxford Archaeology project manager David Score noted, that without analysis of all of the bodies, it was impossible to know for certain that all the decapitated men were Vikings.

Articles created/expanded on March 11

GCV Infantry Fighting Vehicle

Created by Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk). Self nom at 00:43, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    • There is nothing in the article which says that this is the first US Military vehicle to have non-lethal weapons. Do you have a source that says this is the first? Also, the hook should say "is planned to" instead of "will" as this vehicle is still five years away from prototype and there's no way to know what it may have in the end. New Hampshirite (talk) 01:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This source says it will be the first tactical vehicle with a less lethal weapon. Other strategic vehicles in the US Military, such as recovery vehicles, refueling vehicles, and transporters might have less lethal weapons but I've never heard of it before. I can manually check the weapon suites of other U.S. Military vehicles if you want me to. Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why not simply say:
That itself is an interesting an unusual fact, I think. ≈ Chamal talk ¤ 02:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Room & Board

Created by SusanLesch (talk). Nominated by SusanLesch (talk) at 23:33, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for being rude (just asking questions which will likely fall onto our heads later), but I don't understand the main hook, the alt hook, why this company is notable, and why this nom isn't a promotion of that company. Materialscientist (talk) 07:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Materialscientist. Good question. I suppose it is promotion of a company. I rescued this article from deletion, and think if Wikipedia has an article about Pottery Barn (and other commercial entities) then we should have this one too. The hook was just a cool fact that I happened to find in The New York Times. I don't mind switching hooks or pulling this nomination if you'd like me to. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:52, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: that for Room & Board, designer Vladimir Kagan built a facsimile of his sofa that Christie's had sold for $190,000?
Stronger, my preference. Ceoil sláinte 12:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 is better, rescue efforts are appreciated, and the article is probably fine for WP, but, I don't feel it is right to have this article on the main page - just my opinion. Materialscientist (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article is well-referenced and not overly promotional in tone plus the dates check out... but the length is a concern. It's just 1513 characters of "readable prose", barely over the minimum threshold for inclusion. Other than that, ALT2 is good to go. If an editor wanted to promote this hook, I'd back their decision. (Still, a few more sentences would be nice.) - Dravecky (talk) 04:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant

5x expanded by FT2 (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lots of different wordings discussed...

(Note: ALT2 critically states it was a salute compared to ALT1. But it's 8 characters over when rendered. Any scope to trim it? - FT2)

I like the idea of ALT2 better, it invokes a nice image. But it seems grammatically backwards. Maybe ALT3: "... that after receiving the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant from a group of condemned, Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake entreating them to fight?" BTW, great work on the article! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A useful idea, re-ordering it. How about a synthesis, ALT4:
"... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given by condemned men, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by their response he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?"
Also within length and makes clear the key encyclopedic point - it is only known to have been recorded once in history. I like this one. FT2 (Talk | email) 02:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, better. Two minor problems. It's the only time the salute was given, not just by condemned men, and they did not respond to it, but to Claudius' first response. Another synthesis:
ALT5: "... that the only known time the salute Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant was given, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset by the fighters performance that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?"
200 chars rendered, including the "..." and the "?". --Stephan Schulz (talk) 10:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Closing in on it I think. It wasn't their "performance" but their response to his reply, which is awkward to express. Try ALT6 which might fix it:
"... that the only known time fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, Roman emperor Claudius was so upset at their wish to avoid battle that he ran around a lake entreating them to fight?"
I'd like to make "fighters saluted" into "that fighters saluted", or "fighters saluted with", but its 2 chars over. Note though the extra space ("...<spc>that")
What's a nice single word for "wish to avoid battle"? FT2 (Talk | email) 11:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. We can lose the "Roman" - emperor Claudius is enough. That gives us 6 chars to play with. "wish to avoid battle" could go into "lack of fighting spirit" or "lack of fighting". "Fighting" is better than "battle", as it's not a real battle, I think. I also think the original "pleading with" procured a more vivid image for me. But what about:
"... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the battle was so lackluster that emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?" Short enough that we can even squeeze in "Roman again". Or go with "the performance" instead of "the battle", i.e.:
ALT7: "... that the only known time arena fighters saluted Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, the performance was so lackluster that Roman emperor Claudius ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"--Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lacklustre doesn't work for me. Two options:
ALT8 "...was so upset at their refusal to kill that he ran around a lake pleading with the men to fight?"
ALT9 "...had to run around a lake pleading and threatening before the men would fight?"
(Just noticed the original page was wrongly titled as well as incorrect, hence page moved from "Ave Caesar..." to the original source text's "Ave Imperator...") FT2 (Talk | email) 02:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
New problem: I like both new suggestions equally and cannot decide which to prefer ;-). Very good! --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Had to run" might carry a certain hook that "ran" doesn't, and "was so upset [...] refusal to kill" does too. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can some third party please do the verification? Everything looks good to me now... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 09:30, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nice and hooky and all that, but the running around is only according to Suetonius. The other writers don't mention it. Verified as far as it goes though (there's probably some tick graphic for that, feel free to add it on my behalf). Yomanganitalk 16:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yomangani's quite right; making the Caesars look ridiculous was a hobby and delight for Suetonius; we're a few miles from the realm of facts here but I can see no problem with this if the hook acknowledges its source. Haploidavey (talk) 00:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We need a proper review and proper hook here. I moved the hook below to the queues, but return here because of the comment by Yomangani below (and I join that the above hook(s) are not clear in the article). Materialscientist (talk) 07:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is partially supported by one source and not mentioned by others, but even Suetonius doesn't say that Claudius had to run round the lake, just that he did. Yomanganitalk 17:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC) (and "around" is wrong too. The lake was huge).[reply]
Let's try to make this fly.
ALT10: ... that there was only one ancient use of Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, by men who were, according to Suetonius, so reluctant to kill that Claudius ran around pleading with them to fight.--Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:43, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT11: ... that there was only one ancient use of Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant, by men who were, according to Suetonius, so reluctant to kill that Claudius plead with them to fight. -Atmoz (talk) 20:12, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 10

San Bartolo Coyotepec

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1 ... that although married, the town of San Bartolo Coyotepec, Mexico still considers Manuel Marinero as its Roman Catholic priest?Thelmadatter (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps an ALT hook about the town's Barro Negro pottery could be fashioned? I found that much more fascinating that the potential BLP minefield in the first two suggestions. Heck, I was a member of a parish with a married priest (he'd converted from being Episcopalian) so it's not that uncommon while this pottery appears to be unique. - Dravecky (talk) 04:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2 ... that Doña Rosa Real discovered how to make Barro negro pottery in San Bartolo Coyotepec a small town in southern Mexico? -- Esemono (talk) 08:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Underwater Archaeology Branch, Naval History & Heritage Command

Created by Leachers1987 (talk). Nominated by Ukexpat (talk) at 16:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Need one citation per paragraph. A number of paragraphs are lacking one.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Leachers1987 has been adding them. OK now? – ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Binding selectivity

5x expanded by User:Petergans (talk). Self nom at 11:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The hook needs to contain a wikilink to the article. Stonemason89 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done Calmer Waters 17:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"is of major importance" is kind of vague. Also, there are unreferenced paragraphs in the article.--Carabinieri (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Both of these observations arise out of the fact that this article presents an over-view of a very broad topic. Each section has a general reference. References are not given for topics covered in detail in the {{main}} links. Petergans (talk) 07:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

Created by Stonemason89 (talk). Nominated by Stonemason89 (talk) at 18:08, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: ... that although US President Barack Obama is a Christian, al-Qaida chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri has advanced a theory that Obama secretly "pray[s] the prayers of the Jews"? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we can even leave out the part that says he is a Christian from the hook. And please confirm that there are no BLP concerns with this hook. Ucucha 16:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, enough folks already believe the other conspiracy theory (that he's a secret Muslim) that clarifying this here is warranted. Also, it makes a good contrast in the structure of the sentence. - Dravecky (talk) 14:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, I don't see anything wrong with the ALT1 hook. Stonemason89 (talk) 17:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take just one issue with the ALT1 hook: The article on al-Zawahiri describes him as "a prominent leader of al-Qaeda" so I'm not sure "chief commander" is the title we should use here. Other than that, dates and length and references look good. If somebody will tweak that ALT1 hook, I think we're good to go here. - Dravecky (talk) 04:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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