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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on June 15

STSAT-2

... that Korea Aerospace Research Institute (KARI) plans to launch the STSAT-2 (Science and Technology Satellite-2) on July 30, 2009, from the newly constructed Naro Space Center?

Created by SriMesh (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt... that Korea Aerospace Research Institute's (KARI) STSAT-2 (Science and Technology Satellite-2) will carry two payloads, a Satellite laser ranging (SLR) and a Lyman-alpha Imaging Solar Telescope (LIST)?SriMesh | talk 04:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anaconda Road Massacre

... that the shooting death of striking miner Tom Manning in the 1920 Anaconda Road Massacre in Butte, Montana, is still officially unsolved?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 02:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charlene McKenna

... that actress Charlene McKenna was overjoyed when her full-frontal nude scene in television series Raw attracted few complaints?

(self-nom, created by --can dle •wicke 01:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Arthur Okamura

... that San Francisco Renaissance artist Arthur Okamura provided the "alien" illustrations for the 1972 TV movie The People?

Created by Mercurywoodrose (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 14

Swellshark

A swellshark

... that the swellshark (pictured) bends its body in a U-shape and sucks in water to double in size and avoid attacks from predators?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Privity in English law

... that it has been argued that privity in English law is simply an element of consideration? Ironholds (talk) 00:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jan and Anna Puchalski (plus) Grodno Ghetto

... that Jan and Anna Puchalski, Polish Righteous among the Nations, harbored six Jewish fugitives from the ghetto in Grodno (pictured), under their bedroom floor during the Holocaust?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that during the Holocaust, Jan and Anna Puchalski, Polish Righteous among the Nations, harbored six Jewish fugitives from the Grodno Ghetto (pictured) under their bedroom floor? --Poeticbent talk 00:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Trousdale

... that similar to many other Civil War encampments, soldiers at Camp Trousdale in Tennessee suffered from a variety of diseases like measles?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 23:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Garfield School

... that the Garfield School in Brunswick, New York, (pictured) was the first building in that town to be added to the National Register of Historic Places?

Created by Wadester16 (talk). Self nom at 23:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DemiDec

... that DemiDec, a company that sells study material for the United States Academic Decathlon, also annually hosts the World Scholar's Cup?

Created by NuclearWarfare (talk). Self nom at 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. wadester 16 03:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dziwożona

... that Dziwożona, a wood demon in Slavic mythology, has such huge breasts that she uses them to wash her clothes?

Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add more inline citations, there's only one now. Shubinator (talk) 22:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That makes no sense... –Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shubinator is thinking of D2. Juliancolton's point is that his Polish references apparently retell the entire legend, not specific sentences. Art LaPella (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse Wharton (Maryland)

... that Jesse Wharton, a colonial governor of Maryland, died just over a month after taking office?

5x expanded by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liz Swaine

... that Liz Swaine, formerly with KTBS-TV in Shreveport, Louisiana, was once named "Best Journalist in the Nation" by the American Journalism Review?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration Committee (English Wikipedia)

... that the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee was established in 2003 by internet entrepreneur Jimmy Wales?

ALT1:... that in 2009 the Arbitration Committee banned IP addresses owned by the Church of Scientology from editing Wikipedia?
ALT2:... that decisions of Wikipedia Arbitration Committee have been covered on major media outlets such as The Colbert Report, ABC News, and The Guardian?

Created by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 21:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article itself is fine, as are the hooks, but running this on the main page seems a bit like navel gazing to me. Request additional eyes, please, on whether the article would be suitable to run on the Main page. NW (Talk) 23:16, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Holding off while issues over whether it should be a subsection of English Wikipedia are resolved. NW (Talk) 01:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian Nobel Committee

... that the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, known as the "Nobel Committee of the Norwegian Parliament" between 1901 and 1977?

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rise to Power (Monstrosity album)

... that during the tour in promotion of the album Rise to Power, the death metal band Monstrosity headlined the Rock Al Parque festival in Bogotá, Colombia, and performed in front of 80,000 people?

Created by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 18:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deir Yassin massacre

... that after the massacre in April 1948 of 107 people in the former Palestinian village of Deir Yassin, the village's houses were turned into an Israeli mental health center?

5x expanded by SlimVirgin (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article does not appear to have been 5x expanded, or even remotely close to that threshold Hadashot Livkarim (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been completely rewritten in the last three days, Hadashot. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 18:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone else looking at this, this is the article on June 10, before I started editing, and this is the June 14 version. As you can see, almost everything has changed, apart from the background section. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 19:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see F2. Art LaPella (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)You'd be better off taking this to WP:GAN. DYK is mainly for content: newly created or greatly expanded articles, not for improved articles. An article that was already well-developed at 27,000 characters is not really a good DYK candidate. If you take this to GAN instead, I'm sure you can get a GA out of it, and maybe even an FA with a little bit of work. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:21, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Rjanag. What I'm going to do instead is submit a new article about the psychiatric hospital. It's the fact that an abandoned village that had this atrocity in it was turned into a mental health facility that I find so odd and interesting. I think it'd be a good DYK. SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 20:28, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly would be, and this sounds like a great topic for an article. Thanks, and happy writing! (And don't forget to submit this article for GAN, too; I think it deserves it!) rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhodotus

... that the "wrinkled peach" mushroom (pictured) requires light from the red end of the visible spectrum to induce fruiting?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf

... that Desert Strike: Return to the Gulf was publisher Electronic Arts' highest selling video game ever?

Expanded (former redirect) by Bridies. Self nom.

Zana e malit

... that in Albanian folklore the zana, mountain fairies revered for their beauty and courage, are said to have watched approvingly over Albanian protests against the 1878 Treaty of San Stefano?

Created by Flokarti (talk), Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 13:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Wicker

... that despite having organized the first LGBT rights demonstration in the US, activist Randy Wicker denounced the Stonewall riots, saying that "throwing rocks through windows doesn't open doors"?

Comment: If accepted, please hold for June 28. This could also be a double, by linking the first LGBT rights demonstration in the US to List of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions in the United States, which has already been passed for the same date and is in the holding area.

Created/expanded by Otto4711 (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Józef Kalasanty Szaniawski

... that Polish philosopher Józef Kalasanty Szaniawski (1764–1843) began as an advocate for restoring Poland's independence by force of arms, and ended as a supporter of Russian Imperial rule in his country?

Created by Nihil novi (talk). Self nom at 11:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch

... that David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch is an attempt to reinvent the English language?

(self-nom, created by --can dle •wicke 09:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Well, it appears that only the use of the word "Whos" in the title is an attempt to reinvent the English language. The rest of this EP does not seem to have the same linguistic goals. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 14:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that a misspelling in David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch was a deliberate attempt to reinvent the English language? --can dle •wicke 18:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... We're not taking that explanation for the spelling as a little tongue-in-cheek, then? Gonzonoir (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzonoir is on the right track. The quote from the press release is a joke, not an attempt to 'reinvent the English language'. A new hook is needed, focusing on something other than this triviality. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:20, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that a misspelling in David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch was described as an attempt to reinvent the English language? That much is surely true... --can dle •wicke 20:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal:

... that Fight Like Apes named one of their 2007 EPs David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch? (The DYK aspect of this article seems to me to be the bizarre title.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

for Metro90s Alt hook - which I suggest should combine with another of candlewicke's DYK noms (long way down this page) for the band itself, thus becoming: that Fight Like Apes named one of their 2007 EPs David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch?

Geary Eppley

... that Geary Eppley (pictured), an administrator at the University of Maryland, confiscated thousands of copies of the student newspaper when it printed an exposé on dormitory living conditions?

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 07:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chhatarpur Temple

... that the Chhatarpur Temple complex, spread over 60 acres (0.24 km²; 0.094 sq mi) near Mehrauli in Delhi, is the second largest Hindu temple complex in India?

Created by Mehul trivedi (talk). Nominated by Ekabhishek (talk) at 06:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Jacques Pelletier

... that Nicolas Jacques Pelletier was the first person to be executed by guillotine (1792 model pictured)?

5x expanded by NuclearWarfare (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source checks out, the article, although not rated, does not seem to be a stub class (and has enough words of prose), and the fivefold expansion criteria is passed. Good job on the extension! Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 06:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How Am I Supposed to Kill You If You Have All the Guns?

... that the "electric shocks" and "digital distortion" of How Am I Supposed to Kill You If You Have All the Guns? were labelled as "disgusting" by the parents of one of its creators?

(self-nom, created by --can dle •wicke 02:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Little Red Schoolhouse (Brunswick, New York)

... that the Little Red Schoolhouse in Brunswick, New York (pictured), is believed to be one of the oldest remaining schoolhouses in Rensselaer County?

Created by Wadester16 (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Hanrahan

... that Edward Hanrahan, groomed to succeed Chicago mayor Richard J. Daley, saw his elected career end after a 1969 police raid that resulted in the death of Black Panther Party leader Fred Hampton?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom Election Results

... that the website United Kingdom Election Results is referenced in reports by the United Nations Development Programme and the Parliament of Australia?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 13

Blood Ties (Homicide: Life on the Street)

... that the New York Yankees refused to allow its logo to appear in the Homicide: Life on the Street three-part episode "Blood Ties", which featured subplot involving a murderous Yankees fan?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Veeder

... that Yale All-American Paul Veeder has been credited with throwing the "first forward pass in a major game" and as an early innovator of the onside kick?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bluebirds Flying High

... that James Fox's song Bluebirds Flying High features backing vocals from Cardiff City F.C. players?

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John R. Conway

... that Mayor John R. Conway was instrumental in returning New Orleans municipal government to civilian control?

5x expanded by Biosci01 (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1203 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 13:56, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was some information I missed that I have now added, and I think it meets criteria now.Biosci01 (talk) 15:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Ernsting

... that Air Vice-Marshal John "JE" Ernsting became a lecturer at King's College London and Imperial College, London after a successful military career of 35 years with the RAF Institute of Aviation Medicine?

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Despenser

... that Robert Despenser, a royal steward under King William II of England, derived his surname from his office which was also known as dispenser?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don Kelly (baseball)

... that Detroit Tigers baseball player Don Kelly made his major debut for the Pittsburgh Pirates, then played his first game as a Tiger against the Pirates?

5x expanded by Mackensen (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dos Caras, Jr.

... that Professional wrestler Dos Caras, Jr. only defended the CMLL World Heavyweight Championship four times in 533 days?

5x expanded by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Please note I had to remove most of the content for copyright violation before rewriting the article. I expanded the text more than 5 times, not counting info boxes etc. check the difference between edits)

Siegfried class coast defense ship

... that although the Siegfried-class coast defense ships were rendered obsolete by the 2nd Naval Law in 1908, they continued to serve in their intended roles until 1915?

Created by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Gold Glove Award winners at second base

... that Plácido Polanco became the first Gold Glove winner at second base to post an errorless season in 2007?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 12:09, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and source verified. Hook accepted in good faith. ceranthor 13:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Irene–Olivia

... that Hurricane Irene–Olivia was the first actively tracked tropical cyclone that moved into the eastern Pacific Ocean from the Atlantic basin?

Created by Hurricanehink (talk). Self nom at 04:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That hook is incorrect. Track maps from 1911 and 1876 clearly indicate that at least two earlier tropical cyclones moved from the Atlantic to the eastern Pacific. Changing to say that the tropical cyclone was the first actively tracked tropical cyclone to move from one basin to the other would solve the problem. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 06:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article does mention those other storms. Would it work if I said "the first known", "the first reported", any of those? I think "actively tracked" could be confusing. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 11:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that the hook, as it currently is, might confuse readers into thinking that IO is the earliest known TC to change basins. I suggested the change to make it clear that IO was the first one to do so while being tracked in real time. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, good point, I went with your wording. I hope the layman understands it. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy Encyclopedia

... that the reference Conspiracy Encyclopedia discusses 365 different conspiracy theories?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of drugs illegal in the United Kingdom

... that in the UK, cannabis was downgraded from a class B to class C in 2004, only to then be re-upgraded in 2009?

Created by Anxietycello (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

603 characters of prose. Content in tables doesn't count. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now 3,460 characters. - Anxietycello (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 12

Fight Like Apes and the Mystery of the Golden Medallion

Mr. T

Mr. T plays Santa Claus with First Lady Nancy Reagan for Christmas at the White House, 1983

... that Fight Like Apes and the Mystery of the Golden Medallion was inspired by a 1980s cartoon which followed the attempts of Mr. T (pictured) to coach an Olympic gymnastics youth team?

(self-nom, 5x expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

ISO 898

... that ISO 898 is the international standard that defines the physical and mechanical properties for most metric fasteners?

Created by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington State Route 106

... that Washington State Route 106 has been renumbered four times over a 49-year period from 1915 until 1964?

5x expanded by ComputerGuy (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, but the hook is rather dull. Can't you find a more interesting fact that will appeal to more people? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT: ... that Washington State Route 106 was once a segment of a major highway through the Kitsap Peninsula from 1915 until 1964? –CG 17:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feudal aid

... that the custom of collecting a feudal aid from a vassal originated in the 11th century in France, in the County of Anjou?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Off-line sources accepted in good faith. Good work as always. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Santi Vincenzo e Anastasio a Trevi

File:Trevi - SS. Vincenzo e Anastasio.JPG

... that the Baroque church of Santi Vincenzo e Anastasio a Trevi, which houses the hearts of 25 popes, was presented to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church by Pope John Paul II?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ninigret Pond

... that Ninigret Pond is the largest of Rhode Island's nine salt ponds? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool article MaenK.A._Talk 07:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of the palaces /new/ and Charles Cameron (architect) /exp./

... that Charles Cameron, fired and deprived of his house by Paul I of Russia during the battle of the palaces, later lived in retirement in Paul's favorite palace? Expanded/created: User:NVO, cleaned up by User:LilHelpa; self-nom by NVO

Alt hooks

... that the Battle of the palaces culminated in 1796 with the destruction of the largest imperial palace of the Russian Empire?

... that Charles Cameron, fired and deprived of his house by Paul I of Russia in 1796, later lived in retirement in Paul's favorite palace?

... that in the beginning of his career Charles Cameron sued his own father who ended up in Fleet Prison? -- NVO (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eryngium racemosum

... that the Californian plant Eryngium racemosum has become extirpated due to the non-occurrence of natural flooding?

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by Punkmorten (talk) at 19:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More sources would be good, though. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richie Williams (Canadian football)

... that in 2005, Appalachian State, led by quarterback Richie Williams, became the first college or university in North Carolina to win an NCAA national championship in football?

Created by Geologik (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified.--Giants27 (t|c) 19:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Larsen Saakvitne

... that Norwegian Liberal MP Hans Larsen Saakvitne was among the "Pure Liberals" who turned against the Liberal Prime Minister in 1888?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 17:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Le Maistre Chat, ou le Chat Botté (Puss in Boots)

... that Charles Perrault's Le Maistre Chat, ou le Chat Botté existed in a handwritten and illustrated manuscript (pictured) a full two years before its publication in Histoires ou Contes du temps passé in 1697?

Comment: This nomination is an upgrade of a previous nomination that failed due to a lack of inline citations and the reviewer's inability to find the hook in the article. The article and hook have been upgraded to comply with DYK criteria. The hook is found in the "Question of authorship" section and the caption to the accompanying image. Inline citations have been entered throughout the article.

Created by Kathyrncelestewright (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is not interesting to me. Aside from it, the article has some issues with the title, inline sourcing for some passages and others. I think the article could be merged into Puss in Boots (fairy tale), or the latter has to be renamed like "Puss in Boots (character)". Also could you show me "the previous and failed nomination for DYK"? When did it occur and who was the reviewer back then? (the accusatory tone is bothering) If the article was previously nominated, how could this be "the new article? --Caspian blue 08:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found the "duplicated nomination" for entries created/expanded from June 12, so moved this one on June 13 to here.--Caspian blue 08:22, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a huge problem with the hook, although it could be more interesting; I found the source and can accept it AGF. (Also, by the way, I don't think she meant to be "accusatory" when pointing out that Mattisse didn't find the hook; it probably just came out wrong.) But the serious problem is the one Caspian pointed out about Puss in Boots (fairy tale). Clearly the articles have slightly different focuses; the latter is about the story in general, whereas this one is more about the specific book that Perrault published. The question is whether they need to be separate articles or not—and if they do not need to be, whether this work could be considered a 5x expansion of what already existed. Even if they are kept separate, I think some more work needs to be done getting the two articles well coordinated; Puss in Boots (disambiguation) doesn't mention Puss in Boots (fairy tale), which it certainly needs to, and The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots could use more discussion (beyond just the "authorship" section) on how Perrault's story fits into the whole set of Puss in Boots stories; furthermore, both articles have sections that appear to overlap, such as "adaptations". I think some of these issues need to be cleared up before this can pass. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for your insights and consideration! I've reworked the hook slightly and ask your opinion. Caspian, the issues you mention have been rectified in the "Master Cat" article (thank you for solving the snarl with the title!) and I do agree with you that the two articles need some consideration. There is not much to merge into The Master Cat, or Puss in Boots from Puss in Boots (fairy tale) as much of the latter article is unsourced and has an OR tang, especially in the analysis section. I suggest a "Variants" or a "Cat as Helper" section in "The Master Cat" article examining the topic from well respected folklorists and retaining only the "adaptations" that are supremely notable such as Tchaikovsky's ballet and the Faerie Tale production. Perrault's Puss in Boots has inspired legion upon legion of "adaptations" over the centuries and it is impractical in my opinion to list every single one of them no matter how insignificant they are in the greater scheme of things in "The Master Cat" article without giving the topic "adaptations" undue weight. Alternatively, ALL adaptations could be listed in a stand alone article called "Puss in Boots adaptations". What do you think of my proposal? Caspain, I'm so sorry you preceive me as using "accusatory tone" with Matisse. Nothing of the sort was intended. I was simply stating a 'right to the point' fact. Kathyrncelestewright (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to me to be the best option: redirect Puss in Boots (fairy tale) to this new article, add a section or so summing up the general history of the fairy tale and how Perrault fits into that history, and then spin the list of adaptations out into a new article. I find the spinning-out solution to be an expedient hack when you have a large hunk of information that is relevant to an article but crappily written and not likely to ever be up to the same standard as the rest of your article (especially if you're planning on GAN or FAC); for example, I did pretty much the same thing with Chinese classifier and List of Chinese classifiers. It might feel a little bit like cheating, but whatever. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Black Procession

... that the Black Procession of Polish burghers in 1789 resulted in the passage of the belated major urban reform in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polish/offline sources accepted in good-faith. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:43, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Jane West-Eberhard

... that the theoretical biologist Mary Jane West-Eberhard learnt more about science at high school from her English course on critical reading and writing that her biology class?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume that you meant "... than [from] her biology class". Still, the hook seems slightly stilted. Could it be simplified somehow? decltype (talk) 16:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, length, date and current hook verified. I was unable to access the online source, but it's accepted in good faith. decltype (talk) 16:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My brain was not working: I should have typed than.--LittleHow (talk) 05:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ole Mørk Sandvik

... that Ole Mørk Sandvik was a founder and first president of the Norwegian Folk Music Research Association?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harrys Gym

... that while their old band was named after a Jack Kerouac novel, Harrys Gym got their name from an abandoned fitness center?

Created by Decltype (talk). Self nom at 08:21, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geastrum pectinatum

... that the whitish powder found on the spore sac of the beaked earthstar is made of crystalline calcium oxalate?

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 06:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified. Offline journal source for hook accepted on good faith. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sugimoto-dera

... that of the three precious statues of goddess Kannon enshrined in the ancient Sugimoto-dera temple in Kamakura, Japan, very probably none was made by the artist it is traditionally attributed to?

Created by Urashimataro (talk). Self nom at 06:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (song)

... that Hugo Montenegro's hit cover version of the main theme to the 1966 film The Good, the Bad and the Ugly was recorded in one day?

Created by Zephyrnthesky (talk). Self nom at 05:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date verified, offline hook ref accepted in good faith. I don't think that recording a song in one day is that unusual, but it is a very notable song. --Bruce1ee^talk 07:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't sound unusual to me at all. In 1963, the Beatles managed to record ten songs for the Please Please Me album on a single day. Even if the Montenegro recording was more complex in terms of requiring more musicians, it doesn't strike me as DYK-worthy that he recorded the song in one day. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 10:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Proposed ALT1: ... that despite the success of Ennio Morricone's soundtrack for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the main theme only became a hit single in the cover version by Hugo Montenegro? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - ALT1 is better, thanks. Verified. --Bruce1ee^talk 10:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - ALT1 does sound better to me, I guess it probably isn't that distinctive for a song to be recorded in one day. The film was released in 1966, and Montenegro's single came out in 1968, shortly after the US release of the film. Not sure if the year of either should go in the hook, if it makes it I'll defer to consensus. Thanks. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 16:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about simply stating that it is a song, not just a couple harmonica chords in the opening scene? Never realized there could be any words behind it. NVO (talk) 11:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There aren't any lyrics per se, the source says that Montenegro does the sort of "hup-rup-hup" sounds himself. I just listened to it a moment ago and it sounds like there is a backing vocal sound, but I don't know who did that. It's opening notes are enough to convey the association with the film, so those get played more often. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 17:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

much better! ...

... that Hugo Montenegro's does the sort of "hup-rup-hup" sounds himself on his hit version of the The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? Victuallers (talk) 17:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That kind of slipped my mind when I was creating the article last night, but I've since added the sentence from the book that says that (and referenced it as well). The book describes it as the "rep, rup, rep, rup, rep" sound between the choruses. I think that could work too. Sorry to sound wishy-washy, but the whole DYK thing is pretty new to me, I've only been involved in one (and somebody else nominated it for me because I was confused as to how it was done). Like I said above, I'm deferential. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Carrión, Sr.

... that Rafael Carrión, Sr. (pictured) was one of the founders of Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, the largest bank in Puerto Rico and the largest Hispanic bank in the United States? - created and nom. by Tony the Marine (talk) 05:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and sources for hook verified. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cards Pond

... that Cards Pond is among only three of Rhode Island's nine salt ponds that receives significant freshwater from streams or rivers? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rommie Loudd

... that Rommie Loudd was the first African American majority owner of a major league sports team?

Created by Hirolovesswords (talk). Nominated by Royalbroil (talk) at 01:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Found this gem at new page patrol. Royalbroil 01:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ref, date and length fine ... some help on the raw ref format would be good. I did one ... Victuallers (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done a pretty rough job with WP:REFLINKS, but it's better than nothing. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 11

Washington Valley Park

... that during the 2008 fall migration over 10,000 raptors passed the observation point at the Washington Valley Park, New Jersey?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 21:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Olympic medalists in badminton

... that Gao Ling is the all-time leader for the most Olympic medals in badminton?

Created by SRE.K.A.L.24 (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nancy Andrews (actress)

... that actress Nancy Andrews won a Theatre World Award for her Broadway debut performance in 1949?

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marion West Higgins

... that Marion West Higgins, the first female Speaker of the New Jersey General Assembly, was the daughter of Dr. James E. West, the first Chief Scout Executive of the Boy Scouts of America?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gerta Keller

... that paleontologist Gerta Keller theorizes that dinosaurs did not became extinct until 300,000 years after the Chicxulub meteor, though she agrees that "I'm sure the day after, they had a headache"?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The prose has only been expanded 3.5x. Can you expand it some more? --Bruce1ee^talk 05:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the catch. Additional material that I thought I had inserted has been added to the article, bring it over the 5x threshold. Alansohn (talk) 01:51, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Haymes

... that in 1952 Bob Haymes both starred as a song publisher in the television sitcom It's a Business and co-wrote the song "That's All"?

Created by Korny O'Near (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that in the same year, 1952, Bob Haymes played a song publisher in the sitcom It's a Business and actually co-wrote the song "That's All"?

Created by Korny O'Near (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest remove the word both (I though you had missed out somebody). Actually .. why not ... that Bob Haymes played a song publisher in the sitcom It's a Business and actually co-wrote the song "That's All"? Victuallers (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that makes sense - I added a modified version of your suggestion as a second option. Korny O'Near (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. Shubinator (talk) 00:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs several maintenance items addressed before it can appear on the main page. Royalbroil 12:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nereus (underwater vehicle)

... that on May 31, 2009, the ROV Nereus reached an underwater depth of 10,902 metres (6.8 mi), becoming the world's deepest-diving vehicle?

Created/expanded by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion, date and hook refs verified. I changed the stub-class to start-class. --Bruce1ee^talk 05:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co.

... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station from liability for broadcasting Hugo Zacchini's human cannonball act without his consent?

Created by Eastlaw (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

267 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that better? I don't think I can cut any more without risking being inaccurate. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 23:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now 233 characters. I believe hooks that long occasionally get approved, but not often. Art LaPella (talk) 00:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting a performer's entire act without his consent? (206 characters)

alt2... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting a performer's act without his consent? (199 char but possible less accurate) —Mattisse (Talk) 01:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose either of these would do, but I really was hoping to mention the human cannonball thing--it just makes the hook more interesting. Still, these would be fine. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 14:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alt3 ... that in Zacchini v. Scripps-Howard Broadcasting Co., the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment did not immunize a television station for broadcasting Hugo Zacchini's human cannonball act without his consent? (218 char) —Mattisse (Talk) 15:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maschaug Pond

... that due to certain environmental conditions, Maschaug Pond in Rhode Island, United States, is considered particularly vulnerable to storm surge? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The source checks out, the hook is short enough, and the page is not stub-class. I'll pass it, and well done! Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 22:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Franco-Persian alliance

... that a Franco-Persian alliance (pictured) was concluded by Napoleon in 1807 as a step to help him accomplish his objective of attacking British India?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Institutionalization (psychology)

... that mental health patients released after long stays in psychiatric hospitals may experience institutionalization, or difficulty in managing the demands of independent living?

Comment: Moved from userspace on 11 June 2009

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 19:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and date ok, Williams accepted as offline source. Immediately thought of 'Shawshank' when I saw the hook :) decltype (talk) 13:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pennsylvania Route 963

... that before its removal, Pennsylvania Route 963 was the easternmost state traffic route in Pennsylvania?

Created by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 18:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

\ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waldmann disease

... that Waldmann disease, a disease that is characterized by dilated lymphatic vessels, is usually diagnosed before the patient is three years old?

Created by Acebulf (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

. At 1542 chars, it's a little short, but passes the requirement. Date and citation verified. decltype (talk) 12:47, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot Rock (Jackson County, Oregon)

... that Pilot Rock is one of the oldest volcanic formations in the Cascade Range?

Created by Little Mountain 5 (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Approved –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nut Island effect

... that the Nut Island effect describes a human resources condition between distracted managers and isolated skilled employees that resulted in the massive pollution of Boston Harbor in the 1970s?

Created by Sswonk (talk). Self nom at 17:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly phrased, awkward hook. Something more like this would be better:
ALT1: ... that the "Nut Island effect" refers to a situation in which skilled employees are isolated from managers, such as in the situation that resulted in massive pollution of Boston Harbor in the 1970s? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Points of disagreement, 1) the quotes around the title are unnecessary, texts from the first 30 Google hits do not use them 2) The title describes a general situation but refers to what happened specifically in Boston/Quincy, not "such as in the situation" which is itself somewhat awkward. My revised hook follows. 3) The descriptions of the managers as "distracted" or possibly "preoccupied" and the workers as "isolated" are a requirement of application of the term and should not be removed from the hook.

ALT2: ... that the Nut Island effect refers to a human resources situation involving distracted managers and isolated employees that led to the massive pollution of Boston Harbor in the 1970s? Sswonk (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General or specific situation: which is it? If it describes only the Boston incident, then first of all, it shouldn't be an article but should be a section of the article about that incident (or, if there isn't one, this article should be moved to Nut Island incident or whatever). If it can be used more generally, however, then it is more notable and there is nothing wrong with making a hook about its general use, rather than its specific application to Boston. To be honest, a hook that essentially says "this term was coined because of X incident and describes only that one incident" is not very exciting.

Anyway, based on my glance at the sources, it does seem to be that people have attempted to use the term more generally; both this and this talk about it in a more general manner, and suggest to me that a hook along the lines of ALT1 should be appropriate.

All that being said...how notable is this "effect"? Would it survive an AfD? To be honest, I'm not sure. First of all, the article itself says much more about the Nut Island incident than the supposedly general "nut island effect". Secondly, based on my glance at the sources, more of them are more like motivational talks ("Learn from what happened at Nut Island!") then real, scholarly references to some widely accepted "effect"—if anything, the article seems to be about this one Levy paper and how important it is, although to be honest I have seen much more influential papers in many fields. Finally, if it really is that important that we specify "distracted" managers, it sounds like a ridiculously narrowly-defined topic. (Along the lines of saying "the Rjanag effect is when Rjanag gets hungry and eats ice cream but only if he's wearing red socks.") I must say, I am on the verge of taking this to AfD, is there a good reason for me not to? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I hope all we're stuck on here is the definition, and I'll attempt to avert your attention from any AfD action after I answer your first question. The term Nut Island effect is general, as in other broader economics effects, but it's name refers to the multiple-year systemic problems at the MDC Nut Island plant, which is interesting. A less obvious comparison would be the term Stockholm syndrome which describes a general psychological response but refers specifically to the incident at the bank in Stockholm in 1973. The paucity of coverage in Wikipedia on the entire Boston Harbor pollution situation and ongoing Boston Harbor Project mitigations is saddening and I am hoping to expand it in part by drawing attention to this human resources effect (Paul F. Levy's term). Its notability is evolving but it is found in these professional contexts, indicating professional use in government, healthcare and water resources management. Part of the referencing dilemma I ran into is that professional blogging is in a nascent state and I have found that citing blogs on Wikipedia is frowned upon. Levy is actually quite notable, having led the cleanup effort and now CEO of a major teaching hospital in the United States, Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. He has a dual background having been a dean at Harvard Medical School and currently a trustee at MIT along with the government background. See [1], [2] and [3]. His blogging is considered a pioneer effort among high profile professionals, as stated in that third link. The effect he described is the subject of the article, which heavily refers to the history at MDC Nut Island. It is a new term, coined in this decade, which would be difficult to relate without the background information. Hope that helps, heh. Thanks for the questions, I enjoyed answering. Sswonk (talk) 00:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: How about, "... that the Nut Island effect, in which employees become isolated from distracted managers, is named after circumstances that caused the massive pollution of Boston Harbor in the 1970s? Gonzonoir (talk) 08:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with ALT3, it's actually quite good, with one caveat: in Levy's description of the effect, the isolation of the employees is a prerequisite, not a result (i.e., not "becomes"), though not "isolation" in the physical sense. This can be learned by a reader once they go to the article, but it would be nice if the hook could include something that indicates that. Here is a direct quote from the essay:

The Nut Island effect is a destructive organizational dynamic that pits a homogeneous, deeply committed team against its disengaged senior managers. Their conﬂict can be mapped as a negative feedback spiral that passes through ﬁve predictable stages. 1. Management, its attention riveted on high-visibility problems, assigns a vital, behind-the-scenes task to a team and gives that team a great deal of autonomy. Team members self-select for a strong work ethic and an aversion to the spot-light. They become adept at organizing and managing themselves, and the unit develops a proud and distinct identity.

The team is by its nature set apart from run-of-the-mill divisions of enterprises. I realize it is difficult to express that concept along with the distracted condition of management within 200 bytes. The situation is more common than one might think, for example senior marketing management/IT staff, hospital corporate directors/specialized nursing departments etc. As long as the managers are convinced the employees can solve all problems on their own and take their success for granted, the potential for the downward spiral exists. Sswonk (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Added thought: possibly modify "employees" with "autonomous"? Sswonk (talk) 14:46, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(out) I just checked the google scholar search results you gave and, to be honest, I'm not very impressed by them. Almost all the hits for the phrase "Nut Island effect" are just citing the title of Levy's article, not necessarily talking about the effect. In the first two pages of results, the only thing I found that said "Nut Island effect" in the context of talking about the actual effect, rather than the title of Levy's article, was this, with something along the lines of "Levy described something that has come to be known as the Nut Island effect". Right now I'm really at a loss for what to do. The quiet, dying inclusionist within me is telling me that it does no harm, and that as an "up-and-coming term" people might want to look it up and having articles like this is actually what makes Wikipedia special; but the deletionist in me is telling there just is not proof yet that it meets the notability guidelines. (That doesn't mean that it necessarily isn't notable...it just means that it hasn't proved its notability yet.) I would not be super-excited about deleting it because, if it's true as you said that it's notable within its field but just hard to find citations for, it would just be increasing systemic bias that already exists on Wikipedia (certain topics are very easy to get in, certain topics are very difficult). I guess I'll have to think some more; really what I want to see is more evidence that this term is used, a lot, in real life—not just for recounting the Boston incident, and not just for citing Levy's work, but used in its own right. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added a provisional "Occurrences of the term" section on the article talk page. This section can be cleaned up a little and added to the main article. There is already a reference at the end of the main article to a story in The Walrus called "Living on Nut Island" about an Ontario Provincial Police Tactical and Rescue Unit that is titled and built around the term. The story was a 2007 Canadian National Magazine Award nominee. Sswonk (talk) 17:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to those examples, there is a 2002 HBS Press textbook [4], Harvard Business Review on Culture and Change, which is the source of a number of the Google hits since it includes the essay. As this book gains circulation (understanding the WP:CRYSTAL implications) the term likely will as well. In fact, it may be the indirect reason for any one of the examples given on the talk page. Sswonk (talk) 17:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. I still need to think about this more, but my strongest instinct right now is similar to what I said above: retitle the article to 'Nut Island incident' or something like that, make it an article mainly about the incident, and then include a section called "Impact" or "Legacy" or whatever to document the more recent incidents that have been compared to it, other appearances of the term "Nut Island effect", how Levy has used it as an example of corporate teamwork/etc., yada yada. That seems the best option right now, but I still need to think on it. I have considered taking it to AfD not so much to get it deleted as to get more opinions, but to be honest I'm a little wary of that...I think I'd just get a swarm of "Delete - neologism" and "Keep - notable" votes and little real input. This is a tough one... rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the advice and the thoughtfulness you have applied, I'm afraid you're missing the point of the article. There is no one "incident", neither in the case of Boston Harbor nor in the cited examples of subsequent occurrences of the phrase. It looks as though the single 4-day release of raw sewage has dominated the story for you. That incident by itself may be a little notable but I can't see an entire article about it entitled "Nut Island incident". The Nut Island effect, and the article I created about it, defines a type of degradation over time in human resources communications. The man who directed the cleanup of Boston Harbor recognized the effect, which took several years to develop in the case of Nut Island. He knew the people, political atmosphere and physical conditions that fostered the breakdown in communications and process control that led to years of faulty management and large failures for days at a time of the plant to successfully treat sewage. The four-day release is but the exclamation point to the history of MDC's handling of sewage treatment, and Nut Island happens to be the treatment and dispersal point where it was brought to bear. Quincy's lawsuit, filed in 1982, was a complaint filed on the grounds of many months of Clean Water Act violations, not just the one four-day release which had occurred nearly seven years before.[5] Levy recognized that the factors in play at MDC exist in a wide array of business environments and that using the well-known Boston Harbor pollution story would draw attention to his discovery of the effect and dramatize it. The publication of his ideas raised the attention of other analysts, such as the ones so far quoted who have used the term to describe other real and generalized complex situations. The textbook mentioned was published in 2002 and is still published and sold worldwide. Your comments about AfD are insightful, and I think this DYK discussion has gone pretty far to establish more than just a "drive-by" look at the essay and general analytic term that is also the title. But again I stress the article is about the effect and the published piece, and both of those are about a slow-developing complex human resources problem, not a single incident. Sswonk (talk) 23:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be time to get some other opinions in here; we seem to be hitting an impasse. I don't necessarily want to post a message at WT:DYK, though, since the problem here isn't an issue of whether or not it's DYK-eligible, it's just a more general issue of what the article should be. Do you know if there's a suitable, active WikiProject where we could ask for some outside opinions? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather withdraw the nomination than go down that path. Thank you for your valuable input. Sswonk (talk) 03:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Milne

... that Major League Baseball outfielder Pete Milne's only career home run was a game-winning inside-the-park grand slam?

Created by Dewelar (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great hook for an interesting article, but it only has 641 characters of prose, short of the required 1,500. It's always possible to add material about the rest of his career in the prose to expand it to meet the minimum. Let me know on my talk page if I can help. Alansohn (talk) 01:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that. I forgot to discount the size of the infobox. I will fix it. -Dewelar (talk) 03:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added about 2K of prose, detailing Milne's career in the minors and majors. That should address the issue above. -Dewelar (talk) 03:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the expansion you've made of the article and some sources I've added, the article meets the minimum size and the hook is properly sourced. Alansohn (talk) 02:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capitulations of Santa Fe

... that Capitulations of Santa Fe (pictured) granted Christopher Columbus the titles of Admiral of the Ocean Sea, the Viceroy, the Governor-General and honorific Don?

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coral Gardens and their Magic

... that Bronisław Malinowski's 1935 ethnography, Coral Gardens and their Magic, describes magic spells used in Trobriand agriculture as a pragmatic component of human behaviour?

Created by Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa

... that the Canadian security guard Claude Brunelle, who was killed during the 1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa, was awarded the Star of Courage?

Created by Chippolona (talk). Self nom at 09:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the reference that I just added to the article. I think you will find a more interesting hook in there. Possibly a mention that by confronting them he stalled them and allowed the ambassador to escape? Jolly Ω Janner 19:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

... that during the 1985 Turkish embassy attack in Ottawa the action of the Canadian security guard Claude Brunelle, who was posthumously awarded the Star of Courage, delayed the assailants just long enough to allow the Ambassador to escape? Chippolona (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1998 Music City Bowl

... that Virginia Tech's 38–7 win in the 1998 Music City Bowl featured the school's biggest margin of victory in a college football bowl game?

5x expanded by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

five days ago the article had 24,181 characters. It currently has 37,962 characters, which is not a five-fold expansion. Jolly Ω Janner 18:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Freddy Awards

... that the Emmy Award-winning show The Freddy Awards, a ceremony honoring high school theater in the Lehigh Valley region in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, is to be the subject of a 2009 documentary film?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since the article deals with the subject in the United States, shouldn't it be theater, not theatre? JKBrooks85 (talk) 04:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. You are right, but since the name of the place it occurs at is the State Theatre I got mixed up. — Hunter Kahn _(c) 19:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Jolly Ω Janner 19:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dasavathaaram

... that K. S. Ravikumar's Dasavathaaram was his thirty-sixth film?

Created by World Cinema Writer (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't been expanded five-fold recently and it never will (it would be 300KB!). Jolly Ω Janner 17:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties

... that the reference book Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties contains information on over 250 political parties in the United Kingdom?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 02:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

nicely written article of good length, hook is referenced to an offline source, which I will assume exists. Jolly Ω Janner 17:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 10

Dollis Valley Greenwalk

... that the Dollis Valley Greenwalk, a local long distance footpath linking the London Loop and the Capital Ring, is one of ten parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barnet to win a £400,000 grant to improve its quality and safety?

Created by Grim23 (talk). Nominated by Simply south (talk) at 22:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt... that the Dollis Valley Greenwalk, a local long distance footpath linking Barnet and the Hampstead Garden Suburb, is one of ten parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Barnet to receive a £400,000 grant to improve its quality and safety?

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting

... that when the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum (pictured) reopened two days after a fatal shooting, many visitors said their attendance was a statement against hate and intolerance?

Comment: Reasoning for three authors: Historicist started the article. AlbertHerring added the images and has made the second highest amount of edits. I, AgnosticPreachersKid, am nominating the article and have made the highest amount of edits.

Created by Historicist (talk), AgnosticPreachersKid (talk), AlbertHerring (talk). Self nom at 13:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is probably better suited to In The News, no? —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 14:05, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(EDIT CONFLICT) Why is this being proposed for DYK? It's an obvious candidate for ITN. Has the article been rejected from ITN? If it stays here, I recommend a rearrangement of the hook to make the link to the DYK article more prominent:

ALT1... that after the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting, many people who visited the museum (pictured) when it reopened said their attendance was a statement against hate and intolerance?

--Orlady (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to AD and Orlady - Because the ITN crowd doesn't think it's newsworthy. It's probably too "American-centric" or some crap like that. APK lives in a very, very Mad World 14:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. I like Orlady's hook much better. APK lives in a very, very Mad World 14:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zach Bonner, Little Red Wagon Foundation

... that the Little Red Wagon Foundation will receive a donation of $25,000 from Elton John when Zach Bonner completes his 1,200-mile-walk from Tampa, Florida, to Washington, D.C.?

Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 19:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: Zach Bonner was created by Luvoa22 (talk · contribs), and I expanded and sourced it. I created Little Red Wagon Foundation. Cunard (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jacques Brotchi

... that Belgian senator Baron Jacques Brotchi survived World War II as a child when his Jewish family was hidden from the Nazis by a Belgian family in Comblain-au-Pont?

Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 13:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia–Papua New Guinea relations

... that Indonesia and Papua New Guinea share a 760-kilometre (470 mi) border that has raised tensions and ongoing diplomatic issues over many decades?

5x expanded by A Nobody (talk) and SatuSuro (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polish 1988 strikes

... that Polish 1988 strikes shook the Communist regime of Poland to such an extent, that it was forced to begin talking about recognising Solidarity? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 01:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't "1988 Polish strikes" be a more suitable name? Gatoclass (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I guess this sounds much better. Tymek (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aine Lawlor

... that an unexpected Sunday broadcast on pork by Aine Lawlor was described as "a kind of a War of the Worlds moment", as death and nuclear warfare were anticipated?

(joint-nom, expanded by Cargoking and --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Approved. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any way that we can make the Easter egg link on "pork" more explicit? How about "Sunday broadcast on pork", "Sunday broadcast on the pork crisis" or something? Dahn (talk) 11:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh... it does take away from the hook though... :( --can dle •wicke 15:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cathal Mac Coille

... that Cathal Mac Coille ate breakfast with CNN broadcaster Larry King on Super Tuesday of 2008?

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Looks good. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but yet again I see a problem with the hook here. It comes out of nowhere and it's voiced as if anybody would know who Cathal Mac Coille is - no mention of his nationality and what he does for a living, which would explain the context. Paradoxically, it does explain who Larry King is, even though I'm sure more people are bound to know that (I'm not saying we shouldn't explain that, but that we should explain both). What's more: how exactly is it automatically relevant that he had breakfast with another broadcaster? I'm sure people do that all the time, and, prima facie, this goes into a level of the trivial that we expect from tabloids. On one hand, it looks like he's supposed to be well-known; on the other, it goes into parochial info (the "I'll never wash my hand" kind). Btw, there is something more intriguing in that info, once you follow the details: I checked the source (the article doesn't go into this kind of detail); note how it mentions the incident as supposedly indicative of RTÉ's liberal bias (before you ask: I find that comment stupid, but interesting). A mention of that objection would, I guess, make for a more interesting hook, provided it's also mentioned in the article. Dahn (talk) 10:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh (again), will it hinder anyone to click? The chances are that anyone who takes the smallest bit of notice of the hook will want to find out more anyway and will have to click to do that... the rest is just speculation on your behalf ("I'm sure" yet no source for anything close to people queueing up to breakfast with Larry King on Super Tuesday?), the hook is fact. --can dle •wicke 15:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would also appreciate if you informed me on my talk page of problems you have with my nominations. Especially if they've been approved already. I was just passing by and found that you'd made an objection to them all after approval. --can dle •wicke 16:02, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Murray (broadcaster)

... that John Murray, presenter of Ireland's most popular radio show, once worked for the Irish government?

... that John Murray followed his wife, a journalist with The Irish Times, to China?

(joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

United Methodist Hymnal

... that after receiving more than 10,000 protest letters, the editors of the United Methodist Hymnal decided not to eliminate "Onward, Christian Soldiers" from it?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 22:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is 216 characters, when 200 is generally considered the limit. Could this be shortened? The Earwig ^{(Talk | Editor review)} 03:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed a portion of the hook and rephrased it a bit. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 03:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age, length, hook ref all good. Nice article. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vidyalankar Institute of Technology

... that Vidyalankar Institute of Technology won an international award for the innovative design of its building?

Created by Shravan.Iyer (talk). Self nom at 20:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few issues here: 1) All but one of the citations are to the institute's own website; 2) The references are unformatted bare URLs; and 3) 9002/1897 = 4.75x prose expansion. Shubinator (talk) 00:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References have been added from external sources and have been formatted. Shravan.Iyer (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Living for the Night

... that George Strait's 2009 single "Living for the Night" is the first single of his solo career that he co-wrote?

Created by TenPoundHammer (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Size and date are fine, and the hook matches the source. The article meets notability because the song charted (couldn't resist). The only minor issue is that there was something added to the article stating that Strait wrote 4 songs for Ace in the Hole. But the following revision, adding the word "solo" should be fine though:

ALT1... that George Strait's 2009 single "Living for the Night" is the first single of his solo career that he co-wrote? Rlendog (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That works. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 21:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is good to go. Rlendog (talk) 00:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Booya (ship)

... that almost 29 years after she went missing in Darwin Harbour during Cyclone Tracy, the Booya was discovered by accident in only 20 metres (66 ft) of water?

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date, reference (currently [4]) all OK. Hook tweaked by insertion of "almost". Mjroots (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Jayco, Inc

... that Jayco, the largest privately held manufacturer of recreational vehicles (collapsible model pictured) in North America, has mostly Amish and Mennonite employees?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 11:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. — Jake Wartenberg 17:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Amish (pictured)"?! How does the picture of an Amish man in Canada fit in with the hook? Does he even work for Jayco? I could see how the picture would fit in with a hook about a part of Amish dress codes that would be visible in the picture, but this... I mean, if you wrote a hook mentioning African Americans, would you add a random picture of a random African American man, for those of us who don't know what they might look like? Dahn (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removed objectional picture of Amish man. Added instead a picture of one of their collapsible model campers.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad Nielsen

... that Norwegian philologist Konrad Nielsen, known for work on the Sami languages, was a member of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences?

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Metcalfe House, Delhi

... that in Christmas Eve party held in 1895 at the Metcalfe House, Delhi, unusual events of murder of an Englishman and a fire that ruined Metcalfe’s testimonials occurred; mystery shrouded both events?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt Hook:} ... that the second Metcalfe House, Delhi, named “Dilkhusha”, built by Sir Thomas Theophilus Metcalfe, 4th Baronet in Mehrauli as a pleasure retreat used to be rented as guest house to honeymooning couples?--Nvvchar (talk) 09:54, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame

... that the 143-foot (44 m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest muskie?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 04:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, but the hook is a tad misleading. Is it a real muskie? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 05:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that the 143-foot (44 m) long muskie sculpture (pictured) at the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame in the United States is the world's largest? — Jake Wartenberg 12:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would work, but I was thinking more along the lines of: ... (ALT2) that the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame is home to the world's largest muskie sculpture (pictured)? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need to disam muskie to muskellunge. – ukexpat (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent comments, everyone. It's a sculpture, as you have indicated. I prefer ALT2 because its clear and concise. Thanks for the help! Royalbroil 04:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norman E. Brinker

... that Norman E. Brinker, founder of restaurant chains Steak & Ale and Bennigan's, was an Olympic class equestrian who competed in the 1952 Summer Olympics?

2.5x expanded by Jeremy (talk). Nominated by Jeremy (talk) at 04:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I've only started doing this as of late, and I may be wrong, but this doesn't look like it was five-fold expanded between Alison9's April 21st edit and the most recent edit. I'm leaving this to another editor to decide. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 22:56, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Angel Saki is correct. The article isn't "new" as described at WP:Did you know/Article. 8056/3360=2.4x, not 5x, so the article would need about twice as much prose to qualify, although there is still time to add more. Hurricane Angel Saki may want to read WP:Did you know/DYKcheck. Art LaPella (talk) 23:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where the 5x came from, I just used the template for expansion. The article has more than doubled in size within the last week due to his death, so 2.4x would be correct. Does it have to be 5x to qualify? this is my first one. --Jeremy (blah blah) 02:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The rules for the article are summarized at WP:Did you know/Article; for more details, click the links. Notice the phrase "... At least 80% of the article must be new (five days old or less) ... ". 80% new and five-fold expansion are mathematically equivalent. Art LaPella (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again (Yui song)

... that Japanese pop rock singer Yui's "Again" has the highest opening week sales for a female act in 2009?

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 03:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thought it just passes the length requirement. AGF on the Japanese hook ref. — Jake Wartenberg 12:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I get only 1476 characters, using this. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prosesizebytes.js has it at 1495; I think that's close enough for government work. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 18:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rollercoaster (Phineas and Ferb)

... that the pilot episode of Phineas and Ferb was pitched to Disney executives in the form of a reel of storyboards instead of a script?

Created/expanded by SuperFlash101 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing technically wrote with it, but can we get a better source than the show itself? Also, other references need to be formatted correctly. Fairly interesting hook, though. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~I can find the other source than the DVD extra easily, but what refs need formatting and how? The Flash ^{talk} 04:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

~~Added the other source and formatted refs. The Flash ^{talk} 14:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

Fixed. The Flash ^{talk} 17:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cite 11, if that's the one you're referencing, doesn't back up the hook. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing it. Though, question, why isn't the DVD clip of the pitch reliable enough on it's own? The Flash ^{talk} 23:35, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, unfortunately, other than the DVD showing of the clip itself, there's no known other source for the hook. Therefore, I'll give this ALT if this one's not okay: "... that it took 16 years for the pilot of Phineas and Ferb to be picked up?" It's the new ref 11. The Flash ^{talk} 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

16-year hook checks out. As for your question, secondary sources are preferred for hooks, and the DVD is a primary source. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 00:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks for letting me know, I'll have to remember that for the future. Also, thanks! The Flash ^{talk} 01:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 9

Lucas Welfare Cost of Fluctuations

... that Nobel Prize Economist Robert Lucas estimated that the welfare costs of the business cycle in terms of social welfare are negligible?

Comment: There are very few economics/science/math related DYKs as most of them are on People and Places. This is an attempt to redress that to some extent. I realize that the article is somewhat technical but with some concepts that's unavoidable.

Created/expanded by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook does not include a link to the referenced article. Cany you fix that? Cbl62 (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops, sorry about that.radek (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Annales laureshamenses

... that the Annales laureshamenses justify the imperial coronation of Charlemagne because at the time (800), during the reign of Empress Irene, the title Emperor was unused?

Created by Srnec (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Shevlin

... that four-time All-American football end and millionaire lumberman Tom Shevlin (pictured) died of pneumonia after contracting a cold while training the Yale football team?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baron Vaea

... that former Prime Minister of Tonga Baron Vaea piloted PBY Catalina flying boats for the Royal New Zealand Air Force during World War II?

5x expanded by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 14:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lovebugs (band)

... that three albums by the Swiss band Lovebugs has been on the top of the Swiss charter list?

5x expanded by Highest Heights (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get what this hook is trying to say. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 14:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrited it. Highest Heights (talk) 14:50, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add inline citations, especially for the hook fact. In general the article needs to be cleaned up. Shubinator (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added a reference. Highest Heights (talk) 10:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You need more than one reference. The DYK rules say the article in general should use inline, cited sources. Shubinator (talk) 14:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, i am pretty unsure how to do when adding sources. I translated the german article and added some more info. But the german wiki does not have any references. And if the references for all text is hitparade.ch (a swiss musicsite that i have come across as a possible source) and de.wp, schould i put the same sources after every sentence again and again and again? Could someone please help me? Highest Heights (talk) 22:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there's only one reliable source for the article, you need to find more. Wikis (including Wikipedia in any language) are not considered reliable sources. Shubinator (talk) 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think hitparade.ch would be a reliable source. Highest Heights (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Debo Hacerlo

... that Debo Hacerlo (1988) was the last album released by Mexican singer-songwriter Juan Gabriel until 1994, due to a dispute with BMG over copyrights of his songs?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 02:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fight Like Apes

... that the self-defined "karate rock" genre of Fight Like Apes (pictured) was designed to "piss off" the NME?

(self-nom, 5x expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:14, 13 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Tomb of Hafez

... that a shrine in Shiraz over the tomb (pictured) of the famed Persian poet Hafez was pulled down in 1899 by protesters, because it was being built by a Zoroastrian?

Comment: This is a former redirect, turned into an article on June 9. If you prefer another picture, there are several available, both in the article and at Commons:Category:Tomb of Hafez

Created by Maedin (talk). Self nom at 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William F. Hyland

... that William F. Hyland, while serving as Attorney General of New Jersey, performed as a clarinetist with Benny Goodman and later became executor of his estate?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Green Dam Youth Escort

... that from July 1, 2009, content-control software called Green Dam Youth Escort must be included with all personal computers sold in the mainland of the People's Republic of China?

Created by Wiki alf (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. Needs an indefinite article "a" before "content-control software" in the sentence.Kxx (talk) 23:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the indefinite article because "software" is an uncountable noun. Google confirms this; "content-control software" gets 20,800 hits but "a content-control software" gets 8 hits. Art LaPella (talk) 00:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I checked with a couple of English lecturers who believe the "a" is not required, should be ok as stands.--Alf ^melmac 03:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Dauphine

... that a reconstruction of Verrazzano's flagship La Dauphine is planned to sail to New York Harbor for the 600th anniversary of Verrazzano's arrival?

Created by Ekem (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stannard Rock Light

... that the Stannard Rock Light (pictured) known as the “Loneliest Place in the World” is the furthest lighthouse from land and in the top 10 engineering feats in the United States?

Created by Wpwatchdog (talk). Self nom at 18:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned up the hook to link to the nominated article. Source checks out. Imzadi1979 (talk) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External cardinal

... that the cardinals were not allowed to serve simultaneously as residential bishops until the pontificate of Alexander III (1159–1181)?

Created by CarlosPn (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kohno Michisei

... that the work of Kohno Michisei (pictured) was influenced by the paintings of Albrecht Dürer, which he knew almost exclusively from books and magazines?

--> Created by AlbertHerring (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little thin, I know, but that's what I could do with the English-language sources; as it stands, it just squeaks by the required number of characters. Anyone fancy having a look at Japanese-language sources and padding it out a bit? I would, but I don't speak Japanese. --User:AlbertHerring ^{Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla!} 02:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging

... that 77-year-old U.S. Representative Claude Pepper used his chairing of the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Aging to highlight the falsehoods of age stereotyping?

Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 00:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fun Little Movies

... that Fun Little Movies, reported to have created the first commercial to play on a wireless handheld device in the United States, is the first U.S. company to produce comedy films to play on mobile phones worldwide?

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Colonnade

... that the Mill Colonnade (pictured) was originally reviled by critics before eventually becoming a symbol for Karlovy Vary?

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas S. Rodgers

... that Thomas S. Rodgers was one of five members of his family to reach the rank of Rear Admiral in the United States Navy during the first 25 years of the 20th century?

Created by Jrt989 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC) [reply]

Chrysler SERV

... that Chrysler entered a single-stage to orbit spacecraft known as SERV to fill the requirements of the Space Transportation System?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entered in what? A contest? This hook is confusing. Also, as a side note, there is a red ref error about halfway down the article. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camber thrust

... that camber thrust contributes to the ability of bicycles and motorcycles to negotiate a turn with the same radius as automobiles but with a smaller steering angle?

Created by AndrewDressel (talk) Self nom at 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geography of Michigan

... ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake?

Created by Permethius (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~... that the Geography of Michigan includes the three great lakes, Lake Huron, Lake Michigan, and Lake Superior?~~ Created by Permethius (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC) This was the original proposed hook; it has been restored here so the ensuing discussion will make more sense. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a pretty dull hook IMO, and I'd go so far as to say nearly everybody in the Northeast United States already knows this. Can you find a more interesting bit of info? Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 21:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah no, this is fine. Think of those who are not from the US and may have heard of Michigan or know the three lakes but never connected the two. It certainly won't be obvious to every European or non-US readers from wherever... --can dle •wicke 21:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still pretty boring. It essentially says that Michigan has lakes...well, big whoop, most states or provinces have lakes, and that's the sort of thing you'd expect to find in an article about geography. On a side note, the hook is not even well-written...first of all, "geography includes lakes" is not really normal English (geography is an abstract thing, it doesn't "include" physical things like rocks and lakes), and secondly the period after "great lakes" (which I have now removed) was wrong and suggested that there are only three great lakes. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think you'll find there are many countries where one lake is a novelty... also is the DYK tag on the talk page a mistake? If not, DYK has already featured it today... --can dle •wicke 22:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a mistake; the creator probably made the page by copy-pasting another article's talk page. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:06, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And, by the way, regardless of the novelty of the lakes, this is a boring hook fair and square. Let's pretend this was a bio instead. Lots of people have kids but, of course, lots also don't. Does that mean it would be interesting for me to write a hook saying " ... that Joe Schmo has 3 children?" Absolutely not. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, what happened to Lake Erie? I thought the state of Michigan took pride in bordering four of the Great Lakes, not just three of them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised it took as many observations of this proposed hook to point out the missing Great Lake. I have a few suggestions for alternate hooks:

ALT1... that in Michigan (map picured) no one is more than 85 miles (137 km) from one of the Great Lakes?
ALT2... that there over 11,000 inland lakes in Michigan?

Imzadi1979 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There, now those are much more interesting hooks (and possibly even better would be slight varation of ALT1, pointing out that no one is more than 6 miles from any lake). I'm not sure the source for ALT1 is reliable, unfortunately, but at least we're on the right track. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:39, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if I change it to ALT2 would it make it? I've made the article into more sections, to make more easily accessible too.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 13:20, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is sourced to the same website as ALT1. I will leave a message at the reliable sources noticeboard to see what they have to say. If they do say it's reliable, I would probably choose ALT1, which I think is more interesting than ALT2. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, I would want ALT1 over 2 , much more interesting.--Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 13:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... that in Michigan, no one is more than 6 miles (9.7 km) from any lake? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3 verified, length and history good, RS/N says the source is ok for DYK purposes. I personally would not use the map picture, but maps have been used before so the person promoting this hook to the queue may choose.

The article is not the best article DYK has ever seen and most of it is still not sourced with inline citations, but I am feeling generous for now and pass it; if you have any intentions to work on the article further, though, sourcing is a top priority. And please do not remove the {{refimprove}} tag again, or this article might not be promoted after all. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, moving ALT3 to the hook. --Þέŗṃέłḥìμŝ ^{Hit Me!}_{Sign Here!} 15:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is now more interesting, but I'm really not comfortable putting an article with maintenance tags on the main page. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I won't be offended if you oppose promoting the article. In my short time here I have rejected lots of articles for having {{refimprove}} on them. It's always a somewhat controversial issue (some people believe DYKs shouldn't have to be "mini-GAs" and they should be promoted as long as the hook fact has a reference, regardless of the rest; other people believe the standards need to keep going up), but on this particular article I feel pretty ambivalent. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that the hook be changed to "... more than 6 mile from a lake", rather than "... from any lake" which has a different, and in this case incorrect meaning (that every lake is within 6 miles of every point of the state). --TachyonJack (talk) 00:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pathophysiology of hypertension

... that through extensive studying of the pathophysiology of hypertension, it was discovered that hypertension can be caused by genetic inheritance?

Created by Madhero88 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Could you consider "it was discovered that" instead? "They discovered" simply makes no sense here. Circeus (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem I already changed it :-) MaenK.A._Talk 23:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on June 8

Hockley Valley Provincial Nature Reserve

... that the Hockley Valley Provincial Nature Reserve in the Canadian province of Ontario supports a population of the nationally endangered Butternut?

Created by Óðinn (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ritland crater

... that the Ritland crater is believed to be a meteoric impact crater?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 16:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of tombs of antipopes

... that Pope Innocent II demolished Santa Maria in Trastevere (pictured) and was buried in the rebuilt basilica in the space formerly occupied by the tomb of his rival, Anacletus II?

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 17:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wawffactor

... that Grammy award winning singer Duffy made her TV debut on the Welsh language talent show Wawffactor?

Created by Cymru82 (talk). Self nom at 14:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pedro Espada, Jr., 2009 New York State Senate Leadership Crisis

... that in a June 2009 "parliamentary coup", Democrats Hiram Monserrate and Pedro Espada, Jr. agreed to vote with Republicans, giving the minority Republicans control of the New York State Senate?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cunt (video game)

... that players in the Flash game Cunt take control of a penis that shoots semen at an enemy vagina?

Comment: I am not making this up.

Created by Someone another (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:57, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and verified, very funny hook.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, yes, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the main page. Tamer things have been kept off in the past. I'm not personally taking a position, but i'm going to leave a note at WT:DYK all the same, just to see what others think. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remember Wikipedia isn't censored.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 01:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need a reminder of that. This discussion has been rehashed hundreds of times and my message at WT:DYK#Appropriate for the main page? already pre-empted your "Wikipedia isn't censored" comment. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 02:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with Rjanag here. Wikipedia isn't censored, fine, but we need to have common sense. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to suggest (if necessary) that this be placed "on hold" until the debate has played out. Bigger digger (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that consensus is against this; only 3 editors have supported it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 00:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No need to hold it, it's clear from the discussion that there is no policy reason to prevent this from going ahead. Chzz ► 12:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not, Chzz. There may not be a specific policy, but there is ~~massive consensus against~~ clearly no consensus for promoting it, and you are violating that by putting {{DYKtick}} here. Wikipedia works by consensus, not by blindly following policies. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The policies have been agreed through consensus - in this case, specifically, the WP:NOTCENSORED policy. If you think that a policy needs to change, or that additional constraints on the use of language are required, then we should discuss that in the appropriate places. I always abide by the consensus, and I don't believe that I have violated anything - on this page, it says, "Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it", etc. If you feel that I have acted inappropriately, then I would welcome elucidation. Chzz ► 18:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What does concern me is that you edited my previous comment on this page, with this edit. Chzz ► 18:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't edit your comment, I removed an incorrect verification tag. None of the substance of your comment was changed. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I actually do that a lot myself, as it avoids confusion when putting queues together.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The tag was certainly a part of the substance of my comment, and the assertion that it was incorrect is your opinion; I similarly consider that your 'delete' tag is incorrect - so should I remove that? Chzz ► 20:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, remove it, I don't care. It is inappropriate of you to put up a {{DYKtick}} tag when there are clearly so many people objecting to it, and you've been here long enough to know that. I'm tired of listening to this WikiLawyering and I'm done commenting here; there's not much for me to say anyway, I can just sit back and watch consensus do its thing. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two wrongs do not make a right; therefore I will not remove it. I apologise for saying, 'should I remove that?' - it was inappropriate. I resent the accusation of Wikilawyering; I am a firm believer in the process of consensus and common sense overruling policy. Chzz ► 03:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this mentioned elsewhere. Are any of the sources in the article reliable? They all look like blogs to me. Gimmetrow 11:54, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Sims, Fred Reid (Canadian football)

... that it took Damian Sims' uncle, Korey Banks, presenting a tape to the BC Lions for a team to sign him a year after his college career ended?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 23:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 ... that Damian Sims and Fred Reid spent a year out of football before being recommended to their current teams? Note, I've added Fred Reid (Canadian football) to this nom since I just expanded it, if this should be in the June 13th section feel free to move it.--Giants27 (t|c) 15:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Lawson (actress)

... that actress Mary Lawson married F. W. L. C. Beaumont, son of the Dame of Sark, and they died together in 1941 during the Liverpool Blitz?

Created by David Straub (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Electrolux addisoni

... that Electrolux addisoni was named after the Electrolux brand of vacuum cleaner and was voted as the number one newly described species of 2007?

5x expanded by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

3453/1387 = 2.5x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Shubinator (talk) 00:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I've included everything that is known unless I use this! I was under the impression that the 5x was a little leniant. Smartse (talk) 11:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - A little lenient sometimes, more so in the past, but not a lot lenient even then. I can't remember the last 2.5x that was approved. Art LaPella (talk) 14:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Cheers anyway - I'll try harder in the future! Smartse (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tăng Tuyết Minh

... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was secretly married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh?

Created by Kauffner (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The marriage was hardly a secret. They were married in public with many witnesses. DHN (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for an alternative: ... that Ho Chi Minh's marriage to Tang Tuyet Minh has never been acknowledged by the government of Vietnam? Ironholds (talk) 17:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another suggestion: ... the fact that Ho Chi Minh was married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh is virtually unknown in Vietnam? DHN (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can't seem to find that fact in the article :S. "virtually unknown in Vietnam" is a rather difficult thing to cite, I would have thought. Ironholds (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about: ... that Vietnamese leader Ho Chi Minh was married to a Chinese woman named Tang Tuyet Minh? That doesn't really explain why she is significant, but it's brief and factual. Kauffner (talk) 10:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with Ironholds' first suggestion, that her marriage to Ho was never acknowledged by the government? It's not cited in the article yet, but I'm sure that claim is in several of your sources, so it would be easy to cite (both in the introduction, and by adding a sentence in the final paragraph). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 7

Fluxus 1

... that Fluxus 1, an artists' book produced by the Lithuanian-American artist George Maciunas, were assembled over a period of 13 years?

Created by Franciselliott (talk). Nominated by M.K (talk) at 08:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elmendorph Inn

... that the Elmendorph Inn (pictured) is the oldest building in the village of Red Hook, New York?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John W. Wescott

... that John W. Wescott initially opposed Woodrow Wilson's candidacy for Governor of New Jersey but later gave the nominating speech for Wilson at both the 1912 and 1916 Democratic National Conventions?

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Valley Entertainment

... that record label Valley Entertainment has claimed being blacklisted by the George W. Bush administration for releasing Lullabies from the Axis of Evil in the USA?

I have often removed a presumably accidental space before the question mark according to I8, but " ?" must have been deliberate. On my monitor, that combination removes the top of the "l" in "Evil", making it look like a dotless "i". Art LaPella (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: adding my comment somehow fixed the "l", but who knows what will happen on the Main Page? Art LaPella (talk) 02:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Y On my monitor < Lullabies from the Axis of Evil? > has the '?' displayed across the 'il', so I had it fixed with a spacer. I guess the spacer itself was displaying over the 'l' on your monitor, so I have added "in the USA". Thanks. — Ekans ^talk @ 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that Valley Entertainment acquired in 2001 the prestigious back catalogue of ambient music from Hearts of Space?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Novus Magnificat

... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat helped build the reputation of Stephen Hill's Hearts of Space Records?

ALT1:... that Constance Demby's 1986 album Novus Magnificat was called "possibly new-age music's ultimate masterpiece" by music historian Piero Scaruffi?

Created by Ekans (talk). Self nom at 16:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heinz Award

... that the late Senator John Heinz had the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, named in his honor?

ALT1:... that the Heinz Award, an award worth $250,000, was named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz?

Created by Sophus Bie (talk). Self nom at 07:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like more than half of the article's prose is on the award's nomination and selection criteria. Even more unique awards like the Google Lunar X Prize just have a paragraph on how contestants are selected. Shubinator (talk) 22:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that the Heinz Award, named in honor of the late Senator John Heinz, is worth $250,000? (This emphasizes the high dollar value of the award as the impressive aspect, rather than the origin of the name.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Village Diner

... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook was the first diner in New York to be listed on the National Register of Historic Places?

ALT1:... that the Village Diner (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, was originally called the "Halfway Diner" because it was midway between New York and Albany on US 9?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 01:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Downes

... that Irish journalist Richard Downes secretly entered Zimbabwe disguised as a tourist to film an undercover report for the BBC's Newsnight during the 2008 Zimbabwean presidential election? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 01:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Mary Wilson (broadcaster)

... that "one of Ireland's leading journalists", Mary Wilson, described Carl Bernstein's biography of Hillary Rodham Clinton (pictured) as "a complete picture of the woman who would be president"? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 01:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

Most of the "personal life" section is single-sourced to a gossip column apparently interviewing the subject about pop culture likes and dislikes. It's almost pure trivia and, for one of Ireland's leading journalists, fairly insulting to include a sentence starting "Wilson has read several books". Also, the hook is not about her, just a quote about the subject of a book by a third person that she happened to be reading at that moment. Even if the trivia is not removed from the article (which it quite likely should be) surely there's something interesting about one of Ireland's leading journalists that is actually about her that can be said here. - Dravecky (talk) 05:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pauline Rita

... that Pauline Rita played three roles in Gilbert and Sullivan operas in London, and starred in other operettas for Richard D'Oyly Carte, but left his company in 1878 never to return?

5x expanded by Tim riley (talk), Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 19:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lenght and date ok. I see one of the article's claims are questioned in embedded cmts. Can this be resolved pls. Hook verified, though its a little underwhelming. Otherwise, the article is v good. Ceoil (talk) 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many claims are backed by articles which have not been titled. Can you provide. Ceoil (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm afraid those newspapers and journals did not title reviews in those days. Sometimes there would be a heading like "Theatres" or "At the Savoy", but Tim always puts complete information there when it's available, so there was no title. Feel free to alter the hook if you like a different aspect of the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St. Polyeuctus

... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople (remains pictured) was deliberately planned to imitate the Temple of Solomon?

ALT1:... that the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus (remains pictured) was the largest church in Constantinople before the reconstruction of the Hagia Sophia by Justinian I?
ALT2:... that the Pilastri Acritani columns (pictured), placed at the south portal of St Mark's Basilica in Venice, were looted from the 6th-century Church of St. Polyeuctus in Constantinople?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 17:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Strange (English politician)

... that Sir John Strange trained at the same set of chambers as Lord Hardwicke, who later made him Master of the Rolls? Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Honewort

... that Honewort, growing in the Avon Gorge near Bristol, was one of the first rare plants to be documented in Britain, by William Turner in 1562?

Created by SP-KP (talk). Self nom at 09:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Velocette MAC (WD)

... that the British Velocette MAC (WD) 350cc single was Velocette’s first military motorcycle for World War Two?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:31, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some sentences are uncomfortably close to the source. For example,

Article: By 1941 a more specialised version, the 350cc MAF (which stood for 'Armed Forces') was developed by Phil Irving and supplied with a strengthened frame, front fork improvements, revised cam profiles and a lower bottom gear.

Source: By 1941 a more specialised machine, the 350cc MAF (Armed Forces) was supplied with a stronger frame, front fork refinements, revised cam profiles and a lower bottom gear. Shubinator (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Blavet

... that in the Battle of Blavet in 1625 a French Huguenot fleet under Soubise (pictured) captured a Royal fleet belonging to Louis XIII, thus triggering the Second Huguenot rebellion?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Park, Delhi

... that by quirk of circumstances, the statue opposite to the obelisk is that of King George V (pictured), Emperor of India who presided here, in the Delhi Durbar held at Coronation Park, Delhi in 1911?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1) This hook is quite a jumble, I could barely understand what it was trying to say. 2) What's so "quirky" about the fact that the king statue is opposite the obelisk? Maybe there's some historical irony there or something, but it's certainly not something I am aware of, and the hook doesn't provide any clues. 3) I presume "King George V" should be piped to George V of the United Kingdom? King George V is a disambiguation page. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 05:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Statue of King George V was earlier located under a canopy infront of India Gate during British rule and after India's independence it was removed, like many other statues of Britsh Monarchs and officials to this desolate park where the three Durbars had been held in the past. The quirky part is that the statue is located opposite to the Obelsik, which was erected at the very spot where King George V had held his Durbar in 1911. I would appreciate if you could reword the hook.Thank you.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that just isn't really making me excited about Coronation Park. This is a big article, surely there's something else in there that would make a good hook? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I am suggesting the following three Alternate Hooks (but in the count, the characters of 'that' , 'Pictured' and also part of dismabguation word has been excluded). I hope all hooks are within limit of 200ch.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 1}---that the Durbar held by King George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park, Delhi was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi which had glorious past history.

Alt 2} ---that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, King George V (pictured) declared that Capital of India would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi

Alt 3 }--- that in the Durbar held in 1911 by King George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900000 pounds

May I suggest this hook: "... that the Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India; has now, become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" --Deepak D'Souza 13:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that all hooks have issues with punctuation, format and even grammar. The first alt, I'm guessing, should read: "... that the Durbar held by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at the Coronation Park was a premeditated decision to give importance to Delhi's past history?" (I tuned it a bit, squeezed in more necessary links, and fixed the subjective and peacocky assertion of "glorious history"). The second: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 at Coronation Park, Delhi, Emperor of India George V (pictured) declared that the British Raj's capital would be shifted from Calcutta to Delhi?" (that's were the links should lead). The third: "... that in the Durbar held in 1911 by Emperor of India George V (pictured) at Coronation Park, Delhi, expenses sanctioned on celebrations and army parade amounted to 900,000 pounds?" And lastly: "... that Coronation Park, Delhi, which was the venue for the coronation of three British Emperors of India, has now become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" (corrected the messy punctuation). Though it would be simpler and better-looking to just say: "... that Delhi's Coronation Park, where three British Emperors of India were crowned, has become a resting place for the statues of British monarchs?" Dahn (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions. While the tweaked and bolded alternative hooks suggested by User:Dahn are fine with me, the last preferred suggested has an issue since only British Monarch (King George V) held the Durbar in 1911 while the previous two Durbars were presided by then Governor Generals of India. I hope User:Rjanag likes any one of the three suggested now.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(out) References and expansion check out, but I am only verifying this conditionally for now: the article is still sorely in need of a copyedit, mainly to correct improper capitalization and awkward English. Please find an editor willing to do a full copyedit. I know normally we do not need to require DYKs to be "mini-GAs", but if the problems are serious enough I do like to require a full copyedit before promoting. Also, I should mention that the article is pretty disorganized and confusing (it took me 10 minutes of searching just to find explicit mention of what the Durbar was for and that it celebrated the shifting of the capital...also, there seem to be multiple Durbars that took place throughout history, and you don't distinguish well between them, so it's difficult to always know which one you're talking about); the History section seems to jump around the timeline, and in particular the first paragraph of it is more analysis than history. That is not a problem for DYK, but in the future I strongly recomment that you work on cleaning up the organization of the article and making it flow more coherently.
Because so many similar hooks have been proposed, and all have needed to be copyedited, I am going to choose right now which hook to use, and what form it should be in:

FINAL: ... that Delhi's Coronation Park was the site of the 1911 Durbar that marked the shifting of the capital of India from Calcutta to Delhi?

Finally, I believe Ekabhishek also deserves some credit for the work he did on the article just before your main expansion, and have added him to the credits. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 13:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~That final suggestion links "Delhi" twice (WP:OVERLINK). Might I suggest delinking the second, or dropping it altogether (i.e.: "from Calcutta -full stop")?~~ Fixed. Dahn (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops; I thought I had delinked the second, guess I missed it. I decided not to drop it because, when dropped, it's not quite clear where the capital was shifted to (you can assume Delhi, but you can't be sure). I couldn't think of any better rewording that avoids saying Delhi twice. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. And I should add that I fully agree with your comments on the article. Dahn (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy editing in line with the reviewers comments above has been completed with excellent editing inputs by Sadads. Sadadas may also please be added to the credits. Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 6

Five wits

... that in Medieval times it was commonly believed that there were five "outward" wits (i.e. the five senses) as well as five "inward" wits?

5x expanded by Uncle G (talk). Nominated by ThaddeusB (talk) at 19:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saved from AfD and massively expanded by Uncle G. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undulus asperatus

... that Undulus asperatus is the first new proposed cloud type in over 50 years?

Created by Wikidemon (talk). Nominated by Runningonbrains (talk) at 20:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1373 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 01:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Papal selection before 1059

... that Fabian was selected as pope because a dove landed on him?

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 15:43, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Offline source accepted in good faith.--Giants27 (t|c) 14:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, I think the hook needs rewording. The article itself says this is according to legend. Also, the article relies entirely on a single source. Shubinator (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an alt: ... that according to legend Fabian was selected as pope because a dove landed on him? While I'm not sure how I missed the single source thing, but I agree that needs fixing.--Giants27 (t|c) 14:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kája Saudek

... that the painter and illustrator Kája Saudek is one of the most important exponents of Czech comics?

Created by Vejvančický (talk). Self nom at 08:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Herman "Wimpy" Jones

... that during the 1950s, Louisiana State Senator Herman "Wimpy" Jones advocated voting by eighteen-year-olds long before ratification of the 26th Amendment? status=new

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Bass

... that in 1984, Fort Worth billionaire Ed Bass committed $30 million to (and eventually spent over $150 million on) Biosphere 2, to experiment with "recreating the earth" and potentially settling Mars?

5x expanded by Frank (talk). Nominated by Moonriddengirl (talk) at 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I discussed this with Moonriddengirl here and am therefore putting her as nominator for coming up with the original hook. Frank | talk 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

L.D. Knox

... that in 1979 L.D. Knox of Winnsboro, Louisiana, had his name legally changed to "None of the Above" Knox to dramatize the lack of voter choices on his state's ballot?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which ballot? Punkmorten (talk) 17:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

E.D. Gleason

... that E.D. Gleason, a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives during the 1950s proposed a one-cent state sales tax earmarked for public school teacher salaries?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makinti Napanangka

... that when Kintore Indigenous Australian artist Makinti Napanangka won the National Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Art Award in 2008, she was too frail to attend the ceremony?

Created by Hamiltonstone (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church

... that St. Paul's (Zion's) Evangelical Lutheran Church (pictured) in Red Hook, New York, converted to Lutheranism from the German Reformed Church when they could not find a new pastor?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rachael English

... that Rachael English was involved in an on-air disagreement over the spelling and meaning of the word "homogeneity" when she presented Five Seven Live? (joint-nom, new article created by Cargoking and expanded by --can dle •wicke 00:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC) )[reply]

First, the article says the word in question was "homogeneous". Second, the articles does not state that she was involved in "an on-air disagreement" of any sort, merely that during the time that she was hosting the show that an author questioned the accuracy of a newspaper over the spelling of "homogeneous" versus "homogenous". So the hook is wrong on several points and cannot possibly pass as written. Indeed, that whole section about the spelling incident might belong in the show's article but not her biography, as it is written and referenced. - Dravecky (talk) 05:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of festivals in Nepal

... that during the Tihar festival in Nepal, cows are celebrated due to the Hindu belief that they are surrogate mothers to the human race by providing milk?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, but I worry that the hook doesn't really reflect the article itself. Can anyone more experienced than myself comment on whether this is normally appropriate? Ironholds (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Odd question. The article is about a diversity of festivals celebrated in Nepal. Each festival is different so I don't know what you mean about not reflecting the article. It is a fact from a festival which is covered in the article. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:02, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's covered, but it isn't the subject. It would be like me writing a hook on Privity in English law for the article on English contract law - yes, it's covered in the article, but it isn't the subject. Ironholds (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ss. Michael and Gabriel Church, Satu Mare

... that the library of Ss. Michael and Gabriel Church in Satu Mare, Romania has one of the oldest books in the country, the Cazania lui Varlaam written in 1693?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the Cazania lui Varlaam link leads nowhere, it was created as a redirect to a locality for some mysterious purpose, and it should probably not be an article on its own. Also, book titles are rendered in italics. What's more, "one of the oldest books in the country" is an ambiguity or absurdity, and it is not itself a fact verified by the source. Romania hosts very old books, including a 9th century Codex Aureus. While it is not an autochtonous product, it is quite clearly much older than the Varlaam homily. Books have been written in what is now Romania (but, nb, not in Romanian) from the high middle ages (in Transylvania) and from the Renaissance period elsewhere, and print was adopted within a century of its invention - i.e. more than 100 years before Varlaam. Even books in Romanian (which is clearly not what the hook refers to) had been in print for several decades before Varlaaam's homily. The hook in this form is therefore unsustainable. What's more, while Varlaam's book is a valuable collector's item, its presence in a book collection is probably not interesting in itself.

Without doing the job of referencing this article (which, before I edited it, even failed to specify what denomination the church belongs to), I note that an alternative hook can be drawn from the fact that this was one of the churches restored into Greek-Catholic possession after they were assigned to the Orthodox Church. This is however only alluded to in the source used for the text, and, although factual, would require a second source stating the circumstances of this. It did receive coverage in the press (and extra exposure for being the location of street battles between the two communities), so this shouldn't be hard to pick up if someone is more interested.

And, btw, the church is not a mere church, it is a cathedral, and one may wish to change the title accordingly. Dahn (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also note the distinct and intuitive possibility that all those objects are no longer part of the cathedral collection: since they are Orthodox items and transferred during the period of Orthodox administration, it may be entirely possible that they have been moved out of the building after the Greek Catholics won it back in court. The article as is only uses one source (by all means an imperfect one - it is non-academic and rather generic, itself glossing over some essential issues); that source tells us about the objects, but it may be reliant on very old info. Dahn (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 5

Joseph Cheesman Thompson

... that a co-founder of the San Diego Zoo, Dr. Joseph Cheesman Thompson, was a US Navy spy in Japan who posed as a naturalist?

9391/2949 = 3.2x prose expansion. Please continue expanding. Also, please use the nomination template ({{NewDYKnom}} instead of copying and pasting others' nominations. Shubinator (talk) 00:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Global Forum for Health Research

... that the Global Forum for Health Research identified the 10/90 gap: just 10% of medical research spending is on 90% of existing health problems?

Comment: Been distracted by real life, just logging this one before the bell. I plan to whip 10/90 gap into shape as well so would be grateful if this could hang around for a couple of days. Ta! I'll also have a think about the wording of the hook - there's an interesting fact to properly tease out...

Created by Bigger digger (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the converse also true? To me, "90% of medical research spending is applicable to diseases that constitute only 10% of existing health problems" is a bit more striking than saying it the other way around (which I had to think for a moment to wrap my head around). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's essentially saying that the developed world sees 90% of health research funding whilst the rest of the world is left with 10%. Too tired to do anymore thinking about this today, but will try again tomorrow. Feel free to improve 10/90 gap, I stuck a load of sources in the talk... ;-) Bigger digger (talk) 22:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good start! Bigger digger (talk) 22:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights in Estonia

... that human rights in Estonia are well respected, but controversies still surround the Bronze Night incident of April 2007?

5x expanded by (primarily) users Offliner Peltimikko, Vecrumba and Martintg. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clancee Pearce

... that Fremantle Football Club defender Clancee Pearce is only the fourth player of Indian heritage to play in the Australian Football League?

Created by The-Pope (talk). Self nom at 13:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

J. Frank Colbert

... that the Louisiana politician J. Frank Colbert was active during the 1920s and 1930s in Henry George's "Single Tax" Utopian movement?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

C.W. Thompson

... that when the Louisiana State Representative C.W. Thompson died in office in 1951, then Governor Earl K. Long appointed Lizzie P. Thompson, to finish her husband's term?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OR ... that Louisiana State Representative C.W. Thompson, who served from 1944 to 1951, was a former president of the Webster Parish School Board and the Louisiana School Boards Association?

The PDF document that is the source has 300 pages. Could you please give a page number in the note? Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Krystyna Dańko

... that the Polish Righteous Krystyna Dańko saved the life of a Jewish girl by "smuggling" her to Warsaw before the deportation of Otwock Jews (pictured) to the death camp in Treblinka?

Created by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The photo doesn't show much at low resolution, and isn't a photo of the article subject anyway. I doubt it can be used. Also, as a side note, the hook is a bit long. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 06:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure what you mean. The length of the hook is well within guidelines at around 178 characters. And, the clandestine photograph of historic value is the only visual record in existence of Otwock deportations. It might not be colorful, but it conveys a message. --Poeticbent talk 18:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I find the picture moving, and I'd like to see it get the featured spot. Gatoclass (talk) 13:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the photo was bad, just that it's not very useful for a DYK hook. It's still fine to have in the article.

As for the hook, yes, now that I look at it it is under the 200-character absolute limit. I guess it just subjectively looked long to me—regardless of the character count, it is a somewhat complicated mouthful. It could probably be trimmed. `rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Polish Righteous Krystyna Dańko rescued her Jewish girlfriend's sister by "smuggling" her to Warsaw before most Jews from Otwock were deported to Treblinka (pictured)? --Poeticbent talk 21:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length and history verified; foreign-language source taken on good faith. Hook shortened. Awadewit (talk) 02:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Juggernauts (song)

... that post-hardcore band Enter Shikari's song "Juggernauts" contains a "Mockney spoken section" that has drawn comparisons with The Streets?

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

passes, but there was a previous article in that location that was blanked and turned into a redirect. Taking that into account would take this article out of the race, since it wouldn't pass the five-fold expansion requirement. Anyone more experienced know what we normally do in this sort of circumstance? Ironholds (talk) 22:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Mail Case

... that in 1929, The Royal Mail Steam Packet Company had overreported its profit by around £1 million, as revealed in the Royal Mail Case? Ironholds (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- This looks basically OK, but the hook phrase "overreported its profit by around £1 million" seems to be an editor's interpretation of the information in the article which I could not quite tie to the text and refs. hamiltonstone (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that after the 1929 Royal Mail Case, accountants were expected to start using their moral and ethical judgment in making decisions? Awadewit (talk) 02:02, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Francisco Antonio Zea

... that before the botanist Francisco Antonio Zea ultimately became Vice President of Colombia, he had held other public offices in the Spanish and French Empires?

Created by Mijotoba (talk). Self nom at 00:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please finish writing the article and/or remove the {{inuse}} tag. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article still has an {{inuse}} tag. Awadewit (talk) 01:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 4

Diane Dietz

... that Diane Dietz set the Big Ten single-game basketball scoring record with 45 points in 1982 and the University of Michigan career record with 2,076 points?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, references good. Some people might be confused by "Big Ten" (it is wikilinked though...). Shubinator (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newsjack

... that anyone can write material for the BBC Radio 7 satrical sketch show Newsjack?

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 19:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 15:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All but one of the references are to BBC itself. The one other ref just has cast and crew. Shubinator (talk) 23:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've now added another reference. ISD (talk) 15:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The new source just has a list of episodes. The site does not seem reliable, and even says at the bottom We are just providing information, which we hope fans will find useful. We cannot vouch for the user experience provided by external sites. Also, some of the content in the article does not seem encyclopedic, like the "Submitting material" section: material for the "Your voice" section can be sent in as later at the Tuesday before the next broadcast at 17:00. (I'm talking about content here, not the lack of a copyedit, though that's apparent too.) Shubinator (talk) 00:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich

... that the Egg McMuffin, Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss, and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich offered by McDonalds, Arby’s, and Burger King respectively?

Created by Jack Merridew (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Currently at AfD but seems to have been rescued and has since been getting some keeps. --can dle •wicke 18:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The hook is somewhat awkwardly written and needs to be cleaned up. I would suggest just dropping the restaurant names and going with

ALT1: ... that the Egg McMuffin; Sourdough Bacon, Egg & Swiss; and Croissan’wich with Bacon, Egg & Cheese are all variants of the Bacon, egg and cheese sandwich? rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, you've got a {{globalize}} tag. Shubinator (talk) 00:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Er, yeah, although I think the tag has merit I suspect a recipe with bacon is not going to feature in many parts of the world. I'll see what I can do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD closed as keep. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 08:59, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Roger and Out

... that over half of the tracks on country music singer-songwriter Roger Miller's 1964 debut album Roger and Out were less than two minutes in length?

Created by Lost Fugitive (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article relies on one site, allmusic.com. Only one reference, the review, isn't a list of some sort. Also, there's only one reference for the prose of the article. While a lot of the information appears in the tables, some facts only appear in the lead and should be sourced. Shubinator (talk) 21:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aquí Estoy Yo

... that the song "Aquí Estoy Yo" by Puerto Rican singer-songwriter Luis Fonsi became his sixth number-one single in the Billboard Hot Latin Tracks chart?

5x expanded by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nom at 22:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- ALT1: ... that the song "Aquí Estoy Yo" by Luis Fonsi features collaborations by David Bisbal, Aleks Syntek and Noel Schajris?. Jaespinoza (talk) 22:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Source, length, and history verified for original hook. Awadewit (talk) 01:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality

... that Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality, the doctrine of the Russian Empire in the 1830s–1850s, was also a family motto of its creator? 5x expanded by user:NVO, self nom

quick source: page 133, second paragraph from the bottom

The reference given supports the family motto part, but I can't see when the Russian Empire used the phrase in the article. Shubinator (talk) 21:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Sun (series)

... that after a six-year hiatus, Nintendo announced at E3 2009 that the Golden Sun series would be returning with Golden Sun DS?

Created by Haha169 (talk). Self nom at 04:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 3

Allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations

... that at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews?

Created by Jalapenos do exist (talk). Self nom at 21:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're allowed to link the article with "claimed" the way you did. Perhaps an editor more experienced with DYK could point to the relevant guideline? — Jake Wartenberg 23:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean the sporadically enforced WP:EGG. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about "... that allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations arose at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, after the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews? Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 00:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. I can also suggest ... that at a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews, a claim cited as an instance of antisemitism in the United Nations? or ... that critics making allegations of antisemitism in the United Nations cite a 1984 United Nations conference on religious tolerance, in which the Saudi Arabian delegate claimed that Jews are religiously required to drink the blood of non-Jews? Jalapenos do exist (talk) 03:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This looks to me like a classic POV fork from Israel, Palestinians, and the United Nations, an article which gives a much more balanced account of Israel's relationship with the UN. Gatoclass (talk) 12:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gatoclass: As recently manifested, you're clearly not neutral voice on Israel/Palestine articles. No offense. Please avoid opposing Jewish/Israel articles that are up for DYK nominations, especially on "POV" grounds. Leave it to other capable editors. Thanks,--brew crewer (yada, yada) 15:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An article with a title like this is unlikely to have a neutral point of view. The subject could be covered more fairly in the article Israel, Palestinians, and the United Nations to avoid POV forking. Shubinator (talk) 15:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I was inclined to agree with Gatoclass and Shubinator, and have initiated a merge discussion on the relevant pages. hamiltonstone (talk) 05:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mack Supronowicz

... that a New York newspaper called University of Michigan forward Mack "Soup" Supronowicz "the greatest cage prospect in college history"?
- ... that in 1947, University of Michigan basketballer Mack "Soup" Supronowicz was hailed as "the greatest cage prospect in college history"? Stevage 03:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Googling shows that "basketballer" is mostly Australian English, and "Michigan basketball player" out-Googles "Michigan basketballer" by 2590 to 8. Art LaPella (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, superlatives heaped upon a prospect are not unusual. How did he not bear that out? Daniel Case (talk) 16:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he did turn out to be a terrific player (MVP of the Big Ten Conference in 1948) and has been inducted into the Univ. Mich. Hall of Honor. Pro basketball wasn't as desirable a career path in the 1940s as it later became, and college players from the 1940s typically aren't household names. That's why "Soup" Supronowicz deserves a little love by being featured on DYK. Cbl62 (talk) 00:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we could list his achievements in the hook instead? I have no idea what "cage prospect" means. Awadewit (talk) 01:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Meaning of Life (TV series)

1... that Sinéad O'Connor spent "a lovely morning" with Gay Byrne in January 2009?

2... that Neil Jordan had a stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane? (new article, self-nom) --can dle •wicke 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Why such cryptic hooks? Stevage 03:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These are both rather oblique. Otto4711 (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the hooks themselves or is it just a matter of including the TV series. DYK is supposed to attract the reader's attention and leave them hungry for more... --can dle •wicke 02:49, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK hooks should ideally feature the name of the article's subject. How about this:
Alt hook ... that the television show The Meaning of Life has featured such prominent Irish citizens as Colin Farrell, Maeve Binchy, and Neil Jordan? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 07:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course that just makes it rather boring and non-DYKish... that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life? --can dle •wicke 10:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like yours a lot better :-D -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 17:51, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If we start linking generic stuff such as death and fixed-wing aircraft, we might as well link every word. "that Neil Jordan spoke of his stormy encounter with his dead father on an aeroplane on The Meaning of Life?"... But anyway, in this case I think the hook could be improved by somehow avoiding the "on... on..." structure and at least specifying who Neil Jordan is - profession and perhaps nationality. This hook reads like it was written for savvy Dubliners, and I'm a rather bland Bucharester. Dahn (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a "savvy Dubliner" but again I apologise for my ignorance. Having previously thought Desperate Housewives was a well-known TV show internationally, I have to admit I thought the same of Jordan. But it isn't too much to add "director" (although those who are curious can click to find out who he is anyway) and the links can be decided/removed by those who post it if they find them to be too much. --can dle •wicke 15:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington Huskies softball

... that when the Washington Huskies softball team won the 2009 Women's College World Series, it marked the 22nd time in the 28 World Series that a Pac-10 team was crowned champion?

Created by User:Mike Selinker. Self nom at 04:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, history and reference verified; but withholding passage until bare URLs are replaced with properly formatted references. Daniel Case (talk) 16:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Mike Selinker (talk) 13:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tokyo Tokyo

... that Tokyo Tokyo is a Japanese fast food restaurant chain in the Philippines? created by: TitanOne (talk). 05:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC), self nom. [reply]

Removed non-free logo – only freely licensed pictures are permitted on the main page. --Bruce1ee^talk 05:49, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, sorry slipped my mind. --TitanOne (talk) 05:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other issues include prose style, which I have tried to improve, a 'citation neeed' tag, and if non-notable non-referenced text were removed it would not be long enough. The hook is sound though... hamiltonstone (talk) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable non-referenced text were removed prose size is still 1557. Hook is verifiable under several sources including the home page of the said article. --TitanOne (talk) 22:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's still pretty scanty, and I would be wary about promoting it in the current state. Much of the character count comes from long lists of dishes offered; the Dishes offered section is a lot wordier than it needs to be (for example, if the unnecessary "they come in the same packaging as their best-seller variants" were removed, it would be under 1500 characters). While the page technically is over 1500 characters, it looks short and feels short; 1500 characters is only a rough guideline anyway. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Wilhite

... that Auburn's director of high school and NFL relations said that cornerback Jonathan Wilhite "could be a stand-up comedian"?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical requirements check out, though the hook is rather trivial, and IMO falls into the did you care? category. Surely there must be another bit of info more relevant to Wilhite himself? –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1... that after playing most of his senior season at nickel back, Jonathan Wilhite will return to playing that position in 2009? --Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like the first hook better. There are lots of people who don't know much about American football and don't know what a nickel back is. But if you say that a certain football player is a funny guy, at least that gives them something to latch onto in terms of wanting to read about his personality, whether or not they care what position he plays. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with Metro90 - the hook hooked me, and I don't have an interest in sports entries in general and yup, I would have no idea what a nickel back is. The Alt hook is dull; the original has something... mind you, once i read the entry on the guy i thought "that was 60 seconds of my life I will never get back" :-) hamiltonstone (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm getting your comment correct, you didn't understand it, so I added links to the first occurances of key words and stats.--Giants27 (t|c) 13:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on June 2

New Super Mario Bros. Wii

... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will feature multiplayer capability for up to four players?

Created by RMThompson (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 00:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The link for ref 4 is dead, and a large portion of the article is sourced to that ref. Also, do you have a more interesting hook? I think it's standard for console games to support multiplayer for 4. Shubinator (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this can't be promoted until the references are cleaned up; bare URLs are not acceptable. I used to do the ref cleanup myself for people, but I am not that nice anymore. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaned up article as well as citations, and here's an alternate hook:
ALT 1: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will be the first game for the Wii to allow the game to play on its own while paused? MuZemike 23:13, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT 2: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will be the first game in the Super Mario Bros. series to feature multiplayer gameplay? (added source from the Philadelphia Daily News) MuZemike 23:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both those hooks sound somewhat like advertisements; the first ALT can be salvaged just by removing the "first" stuff. The second I think is without hope...also, it's not exactly accurate (I recall some of the games for original nintendo where you could play multiplayer in that weird sewer thing, and also Super Mario 3 had "multiplayer" turn-taking gameplay, so the distinction is more subtle than just being the first or not the first to have multiplayer). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 23:33, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT 1.1: ... that New Super Mario Bros. Wii will have a feature that will allow the game to play on its own while paused? MuZemike 23:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dublin Women's Mini Marathon

... that Desperate Housewives actress Dana Delany (pictured) watched 40,374 women race through Dublin on 1 June 2009? (expanded, self nom) --can dle •wicke 14:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She's that desperate, huh? Kidding aside, I don't think a hook placing her in the audience at an event involving at least 40,400 people makes for a good DYK. I mean, it could be used for just about anybody else in the attendance who happens to be notable (the article itself casually mentions four others, if I counted right). Is this really the only interesting fact from the article, or was this the only possible hook to come with a picture? Dahn (talk) 17:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I just thought it would have a certain amount of international appeal as I believed (wrongly now it seems) that Desperate Housewives was a popular television show internationally and in the US where most of the readers are as well. I often discover these things at DYK, i.e. that certain people or items are not as popular as I thought or indeed are more popular on some occasions, I apologise for this being one of those unfortunate occasions. I thought it was quick, catchier, more DYK-like to include one rather than a list of minor Irish celebrities but if it is better to include a few then I have no problem with that at all. :) However, I don't see what is desperate at all about a notable woman (or any woman indeed) attending what is a major world event for women. --can dle •wicke 00:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked - I think those you were referring to were participants. Miss (or Mrs, perhaps? I suspect it doesn't matter anyway since she's not all that famous) Delany just stood on the sidelines watching... I never bothered to question why but there must be some attraction if she happened to be there on a Monday afternoon. --can dle •wicke 00:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, my bad about the participants vs. spectators bit. That said, I still think that her being a mere spectator, regardless of the notoriety, is not the best of hooks, but I'm really not imposing this view on anybody else. Per the passing mention in the source: "Dana Delany (51), who plays Katherine Mayfair in the US TV drama, was among the thousands of admiring spectators watching the hordes get ready yesterday for the 27th Flora Women's Mini-Marathon (emphasis mine)." (And, yes, I knew about the show, and you're right about it being well-known, including where I live.) "However, I don't see what is desperate at all about a notable woman (or any woman indeed) attending what is a major world event for women." - here I was just making a pun on the title of her show and how the hook sounds when read out loud, not a serious commentary about the event itself. Dahn (talk) 02:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I cannot find another verifiable and notable spectator though and thought it was more unusual for someone like her to simply watch when notable people seem to regularly participate. I also thought the theme fitted the overall ideals of DYK and would interest anyone reading. --can dle •wicke 10:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this hook is not the best. ~~Thousands of people watch marathons, especially one this size~~ (edit: ok, so it's not a marathon, but still...even 10ks of this size have big audiences). Throwing in a random name of a woman who happened to be here seems, to me, just a step or two above needlessly talking about boobs just to get readers to click the hook—we want clicks, but not badly enough that we should whore ourself out. No offense meant to you as an editor, it's just that I don't like the hook proposal. This seems to be quite a major ~~marathon~~ race, there must be something else good to say about it. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1... that the Dublin Women's Mini Marathon is the largest women's mini marathon in the world? Awadewit (talk) 01:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Better, but I have some reservations. First of all, are you sure it's accurate? I can't access the Ireland.com source, but the Herald one only says it's the largest "event of its kind", not specifying what the criteria are for that. Also, is "mini marathon" a common term outside Europe? I've been running road races for six years in the US and I've never heard it, I had to look it up to see what it meant. I think "largest 10k" would be better, if that is accurate—again, we'd need to check the sources to see. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Broadcasters of the Philippines

... that the Philippines has a total of 297 television broadcast stations from 173 in 1998?

Created by TitanOne (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Largely sourced to the Association's own website. Awadewit (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've placed an alternative below which was sources through a major broadsheet news organization. Other sources exists but they are not in english. News articles are also available through the web. --TitanOne (talk) 00:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT: ... that the KBP advocates the 18 minutes of advertising per hour rule for Philippine TV stations?

The issue is that the article is largely sourced to the Association's own website. Can you find more of those news articles and bolster the citations a little? The problem is that the article currently largely states what the association says about itself. Awadewit (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Added references from 4 news articles from the Philippine Daily Inquirer and sourced an additional reference from SME, an e-Community of Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs) in the Philippines. I'm still searching for more sources which does not need subscriptions. --TitanOne (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've also added 2 news articles from Sun Star and Phil. Star which gives details to the 17th Golden Dove Awards, the latest awards administered by the KBP.--TitanOne (talk) 02:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tales of Monkey Island

... that despite breaking off from LucasArts after differences in development direction in 2004, Telltale Games is collaborating with LucasArts to create a new series of adventure games?

ALT1:... that although Telltale Games was formed after LucasArts abandoned adventure game development in 2004, the two companies are now collaborating to create a new series of adventure games?
Comment: I've not done any of these before; I imagine the wording could be improved, but the gist of it is there.

Created by S@bre (talk). Self nom at 15:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length, date and hook verified; I personally like the original better a little more punchier.--Giants27 (t|c) 14:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 30

Malik Jackson

... that Malik Jackson's fumble recovery with 1:55 left in the second half of the 2007 Orange Bowl was the first in his college career?

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dull hook. Play football long enough and you will eventually recover a fumble; noting when it was doesn't make it any more interesting. If it was a game-winning touchdown, maybe. Daniel Case (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1 ... that Malik Jackson has played all defensive positions in his professional career? Not sure if that's better.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 18:20, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Five times expansion OK. Can't see a citation for the ALT hook. As a non-American, can I comment that this article is pretty much incomprehensible. That's life once one gets into technical things I guess. But to give a few examples: "two year starter"; "force fumbles"; "sacks and tackles for a loss"?? Even the word "sophomore" is not used at all in Australia or the UK (or perhaps other countries) and while I know it is to do with the year you are in at school, I have no idea which year. Not sure if there are any standards at WP for readability for these kinds of things, so I will leave it in the hands of other editors, but I also note a number of these terms are not wikilinked, so there isn't the opportunity to go elsewhere to find out what they mean. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed all of the ones you mentioned on their first occurance or only occurance, and the alt hook in sourced in refs 3, 6 and 7 but only position by position.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks heaps - the links and rephrasing make it more comprehensible. Re the hook - I'd like other views on this, but since a reader (like me) wouldn't know what the defensive positions in this game are, even if i were to go one by one through the three refs to see he'd played these three positions, I wouldn't know that that was all the defensive positions. To work that out then is OR on my (the reader's) part. I just don't know whether this should be considered good enough, rather than finding a ref which says "he has played all defensive positions". Sorry if I'm being a pain. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem I have to say if one person's not understanding it, probably a lot won't understand it, but I'm still of the belief that the original is the best option available.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 00:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, can't believe that this made it all the way down to the bottom of the page.--Giants27 (t|c) 13:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article is getting too old for DYK. --74.14.18.200 (talk) 19:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article don't expire.--Giants27 (t|c) 20:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think 74.xxxxxx is just saying that we need to hurry along and take a definitive action on this article before it sits around much longer. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 20:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you can add a sentence in the article on defensive positions with a wikilink to American football#Defense? Also, please add a wikilink to American football somewhere in the hooks. Otherwise the article checks out. Shubinator (talk) 14:59, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 ... that gridiron football player Malik Jackson has played at every defensive position in his professional career? Adds in the link for defensive positions and since he now plays canadian football I went with Gridiron football instead of American football.--Giants27 (t|c) 15:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Alt2 good to go. Shubinator (talk) 15:11, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for the anniversary of the Stonewall riots (June 28)

List of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions in the United States

... that although the Stonewall riots in 1969 are generally recognized as the beginning of the modern gay liberation movement, there were over a dozen pre-Stonewall LGBT rights actions in the US?

Created by Otto4711 (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this is accepted, I would like it held until June 28. The featured article for that day is going to be Stonewall riots and I'd like to have this article appear on the same day. Otto4711 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll accept the offline sources in good faith. The number of pre-Stonewall LGBT actions as described in the hook checks out (I could count 14), and the length looks good. I'll keep this tick up so someone can verify my check. I also think it should be held for June 28 as a double-feature. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 23:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::{{*mp}}... that a misspelling in '''''[[David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch]]''''' was described as an attempt to reinvent the [[English language]]? That much is surely true... --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 20:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 ::::Proposal: {{*mp}}... that [[Fight Like Apes]] named one of their 2007 [[Extended play|EP]]s '''''[[David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch]]'''''? (The DYK aspect of this article seems to me to be the bizarre title.) --[[User:Metropolitan90|Metropolitan90]] [[User talk:Metropolitan90|(talk)]] 04:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
+::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|18px]] for Metro90s Alt hook - which I suggest should combine with another of candlewicke's DYK noms (long way down this page) for the band itself, thus becoming: that '''[[Fight Like Apes]]''' named one of their 2007 [[Extended play|EP]]s '''''[[David Carradine is a Bounty Hunter Whos Robotic Arm Hates Your Crotch]]'''''?
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