Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Joe Biden Incumbent U.S. president Joe Biden (pictured) withdraws from the 2024 presidential election. In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship. General secretary and former president of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80. The International Court of Justice finds the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories to be a violation of international law. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: James C. Scott Toumani Diabaté April Cantelo Sarah Gibson Lou Dobbs Evan Wright view — page history — related changes — edit

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December 15

Portal:Current events/2022 December 15

December 15, 2022 (2022-12-15) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2017–present Peruvian political crisis December 2022 Peruvian protests Ayacucho massacre Seven people are killed and 52 others are injured by the Peruvian Army in the city of Ayacucho following a crackdown in recent protests. (RPP) 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign Shelling by Russian forces kills two people and leaves the entire city of Kherson without power. (BBC News) 2022 North Kosovo crisis Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić announces that the Serbian government will send a request to KFOR for the return of a certain number, "from hundreds to a thousand", of police and army personnel to Kosovo, in accordance with UN Resolution 1244. (RFE/RL) Business and economy 2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis The Royal College of Nursing begins the largest strike action in the history of the National Health Service amid a dispute with the government over a pay increase for nurses. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 vaccination in the United States The United States Senate passes a defense bill that rescinds the vaccine mandate for the U.S. military. (Los Angeles Times) International relations Accession of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the European Union The European Council formally grants candidate status to Bosnia and Herzegovina. (Sarajevo Times) Law and crime Assassination of John F. Kennedy The Biden administration orders the release of thousands of documents on the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy for the first time. With 13,173 files now published online, more than 97% of records are now publicly available, according to the White House. (BBC News) Police in Zambia arrest a truck driver alleged to have transported 27 Ethiopian migrants who were found dead at a farm on the outskirts of Lusaka on Sunday. (Xinhua) Politics and elections Political status of Puerto Rico In a 233–191 bipartisan vote, the U.S. House of Representatives passes a bill that would allow Puerto Rico to have its first ever binding referendum to decide whether the unincorporated territory should become a state, an independent nation or an independent nation with free association. (The New York Times) Science and technology Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk December 15, 2022 Twitter suspensions Twitter suspends the accounts of several journalists who reported on negative news relating to Elon Musk and Twitter. Musk accuses these journalists of posting links to real-time location data. The suspensions follow an incident in Los Angeles involving the safety of Elon Musk's son. (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera) (Yahoo!)

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December 14

Portal:Current events/2022 December 14

December 14, 2022 (2022-12-14) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2017–present Peruvian political crisis December 2022 Peruvian protests 2022 Apurímac insurgency The government declares a nationwide state of emergency for 30 days following mass protests in support of Pedro Castillo, which have killed seven people. (SwissInfo) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Two people are killed and 14 others are injured when a roadside bomb targeting a security forces' convoy explodes in Miranshah, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Islamic State insurgency in Iraq Three security forces are killed when a bomb explodes during a military operation in Al-Tarmia District, Baghdad Governorate, Iraq. (AP) Disasters and accidents Tornado outbreak of December 13–14, 2022 An ongoing tornado outbreak across the United States kills three people, injures dozens of others, and leaves hundreds of people homeless. (The Weather Channel) Multiple tornadoes strike the New Orleans metropolitan area, damaging up to 5,000 structures and following nearly the same path as a high-end EF3 tornado on March 22. (CNN) (Raw Alerts via Twitter) English Channel migrant crossings Four people are killed and 43 others are rescued after a migrant boat capsizes in the English Channel off the coast of Kent, United Kingdom. (AP) International relations Armenia–Russia relations Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 2021–2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis 2022 Artsakh blockade Members of parliament belonging to the Armenian governing coalition accuse Russia of wanting to drag Armenia into a new war with neighboring Azerbaijan, and criticize the conduct of Russian peacekeepers amid a renewed crisis in the region following the Lachin blockade and worsening relations between Armenia and Russia. (RFE/RL) China–United Kingdom relations Clash at the Consulate General of China, Manchester The Chinese foreign ministry recalls Manchester consul general Zheng Xiyuan and five other diplomats in the United Kingdom following their alleged involvement in the October clash. (AFP via Barron's) Accession of Kosovo to the European Union Kosovo formally signs a request to become a member of the European Union. Serbia condemns the request and says that it will ask the five members of the bloc which do not recognize Kosovo to reject the request. (AP) Iran is expelled from the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women over the death of Mahsa Amini and the violent crackdown against protests for women's rights in Iran. (MSN) (Reuters) Law and crime Mayor of Istanbul and popular opposition figure Ekrem İmamoğlu goes on trial where he faces a political ban and between 15 months and four years in jail on charges of "insulting" public officials. (AFP via France24) One Irish U.N. peacekeeper is killed and three others are wounded after an armed confrontation with a crowd in Al-Aqbieh, Lebanon. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2022 Fijian general election Fijians head to the polls to elect the 55 members of the parliament. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2022 FIFA World Cup The defending champions France defeats Morocco 2–0, advancing to their second consecutive World Cup final, which will be against Argentina. France is the first team since Brazil in 2002 to advance to consecutive World Cup finals, and will aim to become the first team since Brazil in 1962 to win consecutive World Cup finals. (CNN)

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Sakharov prize

Article: Sakharov Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Parliament awards the Sakharov Prize to the people of Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 331dot (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The article about the prize is little more than a list of awardees, so I don't know if another article would be suitable, but I wanted to at least bring this up for discussion as an ITNR item. 331dot (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Ongoing: 2022 Brazilian election protests

Article: 2022 Brazilian election protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, DW, Reuters, Zee News
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Nominated this after the issue was brought up down below. I feel we need to have a consensus on whether or not this qualifies for ongoing before we can post the Peru protests. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose We cannot be including all the protests that are currently going on in the world in Ongoing. They are commonplace and this one doesn’t seem to have an exceptionality beyond what the protests imply. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Despite nominating this, I actually agree. The only reason why I decided to make this post was because it was brought up below, and I think it's good to get a consensus on this issue. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  This entry should be closed if the nomination was never serious, as noted earlier the comparison is not apples-to-apples with the Peruvian article. You should open a section on the project talk page if you want to discuss policy. - Indefensible (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose, for now. Bolsanaro has conceded, the election results have been officially ratified by the courts, and it doesn't look like the protests aren't really growing. In particular, the "Timeline" section in the article is currently quite thin and does not justify an ongoing posting. If something more substantial develops on the grounds, the issue can be revisited. Nsk92 (talk) 16:45, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The three last updates to the article cover events that happened on 7 November, 15 November, and 12 December. With less than one worthwhile thing happening per week, this isn't really being updated at a level that demonstrates that it qualifies as an ongoing item for the main page. --Jayron32 18:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• This nomination was made for comparison with the December 2022 Peruvian protests, but discussions on policy should generally be done on the talk page. As Jayron32 noted above, there is currently a difference in article quality so the nominations are not apples-to-apples. However, a possible solution is to blurb this similar to the January 6 United States Capitol attack for the storming of the federal police HQ if article quality reaches the blurb requirements, and posting the Peruvian entry to ongoing, so there would be no conflict between them. - Indefensible (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. Updates seem to have slowed down. If the article can be maintained with more frequent updates than maybe this could be posted. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

•Oppose per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Ongoing: Peruvian protests & political crisis

Article: December 2022 Peruvian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, NBC, CNN, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by PLATEL (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Braganza (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Previous related blurb has rolled off but event continues to develop and receive article updates. - Indefensible (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I'm not sure if this has more, less, or equal merit as 2022 Brazilian election protests to be in ongoing.—Bagumba (talk) 08:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

The answer to that would be irrelevant to this discussion. If you want some other article's status in ongoing changed, start a new discussion. --Jayron32 15:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

It was only a comment, and neutral at that. The essay you linked also reads: While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this. —Bagumba (talk) 00:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article is in decent shape, seems to be being actively updated, most recent events covered by the article are less than 48 hours old. Looks to check all of the boxed. --Jayron32 15:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Mixed - I feel like for this to be in ongoing, we also need to address other protests going on, like the Brazilian election which Bagumba brought up. Not too sure if I'm perfectly honest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose We cannot be including all the protests that are currently going on in the world in Ongoing. They are commonplace and this one doesn’t seem to have an exceptionality beyond what the protests imply. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support, posting something, although the header would probably need to be reworded. The main underlying event here is an ongoing Peruvian constitutional crisis, which is much bigger than the protests. Nsk92 (talk) 17:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment this is the third protest in Peru over the past year. Thus seems like a case where protests happen at a drop of a hat, and we'd need a strong reason to post one over the other. --Masem (t) 17:39, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• A good metric to use to decide if something is worth posting is that there is evidence, as can be found in reliable sources, that it is significant, given the amount of attention that reliable sources give to it. If we did anything other than that, then we're all just using our own, very narrow, individual perspective, which isn't that great of a way to operate when dealing with a website designed to be used all over the world. Instead of making the decision based only on what we think (which is mostly based on what we may personally care about or what we are exposed to in each of our own very tiny corners of the world), instead we should strive to assess these things by looking at reliable sources and assessing whether or not the topic is being covered or not. I live no where near Peru, and I have no vested interest in what goes on there, so my own personal feelings would necessarily skew towards not thinking this was significant. I am not a reliable source, however. I can assess whether this is a major news event by seeing what major news sources are doing. --Jayron32 18:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Except, of course, is when the mass media go crazy over something we consider routine. Masem (t) 19:13, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Or to add why we do not use frequency of coverage of a story or where the story is published (like front page verse elsewhere) as metrics for UTN consideration. Masem (t) 19:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  But conversely the subject may be encyclopedic and notable enough for visibility, what may need to change is Wikipedia's format and space for such coverage rather than imposing artificial limitations, as well as potential debiasing in the community which prevents such entries from being included. - Indefensible (talk) 19:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Of course, many forget that we are not a newspaper, and our coverage of news should be after the point a news event is clearly going to have an enduring impact. We have far too many articles being created on breaking news without consideration of long term factors. Masem (t) 21:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  This has nothing to do with not being a newspaper, the ongoing political crisis of a sizable country which this is a part of is certainly encyclopedic and deserves coverage. National Ignition Facility's current blurb seems far more problematic. - Indefensible (talk) 22:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Why should my consideration make a difference? What I "consider" is based on my own very narrow view of the world. Wikipedia does not operate on personal "considerations" it operates on evidence. My "consideration" is not evidence. It's just my own feelings. It has no bearing on what should or should not happen. --Jayron32 19:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Still very much in the news, fairly big, and tensions are still high. I think these protests are significant above the level that most protests are and thus worthy of posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Things are becoming notably more severe as a national state of emergency was declared and some constitutional rights of an entire nation have been removed.--WMrapids (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

December 13

Portal:Current events/2022 December 13

December 13, 2022 (2022-12-13) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 2021–2022 Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis 2022 Artsakh blockade The Lachin corridor, the only link between Armenia and the unrecognized Republic of Artsakh, is blocked by a group of Azerbaijani citizens described as environmental activists by state media. The protesters say that they are calling attention to what Azerbaijan says is illegal mining in Nagorno-Karabakh as well as the use of the road to transport the minerals to Armenia. The protesters' action leaves hundreds of Karabakh cars stranded on other sections of the highway. (RFE/RL) Republic of Artsakh officials report that Azerbaijan has blocked the flow of gas to Artsakh through Armenia. (Eurasianet) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Eleven Allied Democratic Forces militants are killed and eight are arrested during a gunfight with Ugandan soldiers in Ntoroko, Uganda. A soldiers is also killed and three civilians injured. (Reuters) Business and economy 2021–2022 inflation surge Economy of Ghana Ghana and the International Monetary Fund agree on a three-year loan agreement worth US$3 billion. (AFP via WION) Disasters and accidents 2022 Kinshasa floods At least 141 people are killed and dozens are injured during heavy floods and landslides in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Radio Pakistan) International relations 2017–present Peruvian political crisis Mexico–Peru relations Mexican president Andrés Manuel López Obrador says that his government will continue to recognize detained former Peruvian president Pedro Castillo as president of Peru and says that relations between both countries are now "paused". (europapress via La Nación) Accession of Bosnia and Herzegovina to the European Union The European affairs ministers of the European Union agree to upgrade Bosnia and Herzegovina's application status on December 15, formally recognising the country's candidacy to join the union. (AFP via Khaleej Times) Science and technology Fusion power The United States Department of Energy announces the achievement of fusion ignition by the National Ignition Facility at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. (Energy.gov) (Reuters) Sports 2022 FIFA World Cup Argentina defeats Croatia 3–0 and advances to the final, where they will play against France. It is Argentina's sixth appearance in the World Cup final and their first appearance since 2014. (CNN)

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RD: Nihal Nelson

Article: Nihal Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Titanciwiki (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous Sri Lankan Singer – Titanciwiki (talk) 23:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Stephen "tWitch" Boss

Article: Stephen "tWitch" Boss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, People
Credits:

• Nominated by 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:480D:BA9B:695E:ECE5 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American freestyle hip hop dancer, choreographer, actor, television producer, and television personality. Reported by many outlets. --2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:480D:BA9B:695E:ECE5 (talk) 16:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Article is OK but (yes, you know what's coming) filmography is not sourced. Black Kite (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment As mentioned by Black Kite, the filmography and awards sections need references. As for the prose though, that already looks good. I have also moved this to December 13 because like Adrian Shooter below, he actually died on the 13th but was only reported today (14th). Vida0007 (talk) 18:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support The article has official death date sources. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Update - Article should be fully sourced now, references added to Filmography and Awards. --2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:480D:BA9B:695E:ECE5 (talk) 20:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Adrian Shooter

Article: Adrian Shooter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chris j wood (talk · give credit) and GhostInTheMachine (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British railway executive, died on 13th but first reported today (14th). Article is a bit proseliney in places, but it's being improved. Thryduulf (talk) 14:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support -- chris_j_wood (talk)
• Support There's one "clarification needed" tag but generally the article looks to be well-sourced and well-written. Vida0007 (talk) 18:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Miguel Barbosa Huerta

Article: Miguel Barbosa Huerta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://elpais.com/mexico/2022-12-13/muere-miguel-barbosa-gobernador-de-puebla.html
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Sammi Brie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Governor of Puebla, Mexico. Page has been expanded about 4x but could use a bit more. At least this is vaguely Main Page-ready. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Looks good enough. --Vacant0 (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Not opposing but… It would be useful to know more about what he did as governor. Too little is narrated about his gubernatorial career. There is almost more about his death and succession. It doesn’t seem to me to be a suitable article for MP at this time. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  I'd love to find more myself. Lots of articles are being written about his death, but there are no critical appraisals of the state administration. (For a few reasons, cultural and probably coziness with the state government's ad budget.) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Alsoriano97: Look now: I've beefed up this area. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:32, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Cool! Thanks for updating Sammi. _-_Alsor (talk)

• Support Article now covers the governorship sufficiently. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support looks good enough now. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Abigail Kawānanakoa

Article: Abigail Kinoiki Kekaulike Kawānanakoa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sontaya Dragon (talk · give credit) and Aoi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Member of the Hawaiian Royal Family and philanthropist  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article is adequately referenced and meets the criteria for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Support See no reason not to. Evan224 (talk) 02:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Support All criteria is met and the death is significant in Hawai'i. TansoShoshen (talk) 03:07, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Support The last Hawaiian princess has died. Though I think other members of the family are still alive. I am open to a blurb. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Posted. Sam Walton (talk) 11:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

December 12

Portal:Current events/2022 December 12

December 12, 2022 (2022-12-12) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Afghanistan conflict Islamic State–Taliban conflict 2022 Kabul hotel attack Three civilians are killed by Islamic State insurgents at a hotel in Kabul, Afghanistan. (AP) Sino-Indian border dispute Several soldiers are injured when hundreds of Indian and Chinese troops clash in the disputed Tawang district of Arunachal Pradesh. (MSN) Montenegrin nationalist protests Protests and riots occur in front of the Montenegrin Parliament building in Podgorica after the adoption of amendments to the presidential bill. (Vijesti) Law and crime Bankruptcy of FTX Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried is arrested in the Bahamas on request of the U.S. government on undisclosed charges. (Reuters) Wieambilla police shootings Two police officers and a civilian are killed and two other officers are injured when gunmen open fire at a remote property in Wieambilla, Queensland, Australia, where police were investigating a missing person report. The three perpetrators are later killed by police. (BBC News) (ABC News Australia) Politics and elections All members of Belgium's Political Bureau of the Walloon Parliament resign after a scandal concerning excessive public spending by parliamentary clerk Frédéric Janssens. Bureau President Jean-Claude Marcourt, who had been criticized for taking part in a luxury 3-day trip to Dubai for €20,000 using public funds, had previously refused to be the only person to resign if all other members of the Bureau did not resign. (RTBF)

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RD: Stuart Margolin

Article: Stuart Margolin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, Deadline
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a lot of work Mooonswimmer 15:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Mike Leach

Article: Mike Leach (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Red-tailed hawk (talk · give credit), Mackensen (talk · give credit), WAVY 10 Fan (talk · give credit), Sydwhunte (talk · give credit) and TarheelBornBred (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: College football head coach at Texas Tech, Washington State, and Mississippi State. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. The article meets the quality standards for posting.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Quite a few footnote-free paragraphs and bullet-points. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(closed) The Boy in the Box identified

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Murder of Joseph Augustus Zarelli (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 4-year-old murder victim known as The Boy in the Box for 65 years, has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by 2607:F470:E:22:E9A5:92B5:D38D:EA15 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Notorious (and for many, quite emotional) cold case, has finally been identified 2607:F470:E:22:E9A5:92B5:D38D:EA15 (talk) 23:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Note this was announced on Dec 8. --Masem (t) 23:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose ice-cold case. Great for his family to get closure if they're still alive, but otherwise it's a singular murder case from the 1960s. Juxlos (talk) 00:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Juxlos. Outside of maybe an identification of the Zodiac Killer or Jack the Ripper, I don't see any cold case as being worthy of ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• OpposeGood faith nomination, but not what ITN is meant for.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Mirosław Hermaszewski

Article: Mirosław Hermaszewski (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TVP World, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First Polish man in space, article is close to ok. Brandmeister^talk 20:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Notable death of a prominent and decorated Polish figure. Article is very well-referenced and written. JumbledPasta (talk) 02:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support, was first and only Polish person to make it to space. Would be nice to see. --Ouro (blah blah) 03:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support great article. Also there is a cracking photo of him in astronaut gear, I'm in no way suggesting a blurb, but just a photo maybe worth considering? Added image to nomination. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Have we ever put a photo of an RD up without a blurb? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, infrequently. Curbon7 (talk) 12:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(closed) Arrest of suspect in Pan Am Flight 103 bombing

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Article: Pan Am Flight 103 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Suspected bomber of Pan Am Flight 103, Abu Agila Mohammad Masud, is in US custody after being kidnapped in Libya by a militia group. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Suspected Lockerbie bomber Abu Agila Mohammad Masud is in US custody after being kidnapped by a militia in Libya.
News source(s): BBC, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by EvergreenFir (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This seems quite major in my view, but not sure if others view it as ITN worthy. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Wait We typically post convictions, not arrests. But if he is in fact convicted, and assuming article quality is up to scratch, I'd likely support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Wait - Per Ad Orientem. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose We don't post arrests of suspects. HiLo48 (talk) 20:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per HiLo. If this man is convicted, it would be an ITNR-worthy decision. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:38, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose We may post the sentencing, I think that would be of ITN interest, but not arrest. And especially not this one, which doesn't feel all too important to me: the incident was a long time ago; it's not like this arrest reveals a suspect, just means he's been found; and he is accused of manufacturing the bomb, i.e. one of many involved in the conspiracy, not the sole perpetrator. Wasn't there one Lockerbie bomber who has already been found guilty, served his sentence, been released, and died, in the years since it happened. Kingsif (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Wait We should wait until he's been sentenced. In my opinion, it is notable enough, as after all, it was the largest terrorist attack in the UK. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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(Posted) Corruption in EU parliament

Article: Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Previous blurb removed per WP:BLPTALK. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Eight people are arrested in connection with the Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament.
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)
• Created by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jo Jc Jo (talk · give credit), Hairy Dude (talk · give credit), Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit) and Karma1998 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: A prominent case of corruption in a major player on world politics Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Needs work The wave of arrests seems similar to the German plot which we are currently blurbing. But we need an article about the corruption scandal rather than a focus on particular BLPs. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I'd perhaps support this if a clear link is made to the FIFA World Cup or anything else achieved through corruption. Otherwise, an MEP accused for corruption without further details isn't plausible enough.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• "Italian MEP Dino Giarrusso said he and many other legislators in Brussels had been approached by Qatari officials numerous times since 2019. “They were hoping to improve the country’s reputation especially in the run-up to the Fifa World Cup”" FT Andrew🐉(talk) 12:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Update I've started a draft article about the matter: Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament Andrew🐉(talk) 11:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Tentative support - But it needs a better blurb. 'Accused for corruption charges' is not idiomatic English; if the arrests are the substantive legal action, they should be the focus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• WP:BLP? - While I think the topic is certainly ITN blurb worthy, have we suddenly forgotten there's some almighty big BLP issue here. Accusation, arrest, and charges are not conviction. Since when do we post someone's being accused of a crime on the main page when there's not even been a trial yet?!? -- KTC (talk) 14:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• The German plot was just posted on the basis of arrests rather than convictions. To minimise BLP issues, we can blurb such mass arrests in a general way rather than naming names. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose a rather run-of-the-mill corruption scheme versus a (albeit ludicrous) plot to overthrow the German government doesn't seem comparable in my opinion. But even if this is posted, as mentioned above, remove the name(s) from the blurb to avoid BLP issues. YD407OTZ (talk) 16:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support article is in OK shape and the news is covering this. Oppose current blurb as a trainwreck, however, someone is going to have to do better than that! --Jayron32 17:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Strong support on principle, though oppose current blurb. DecafPotato (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I agree a better blurb can be found. Events are evolving quickly though. In a few hours we had a new article and in a few more probably also a new name. Something like: A Vice President of the Parliament was dismissed and arrested after bags full of cash were found in her apartment. We don't know though with certainty how much it was.

  Her father was found with a suitcase full of cash, which then sparked the raids.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support, however oppose blurb Article seems to be in solid shape and being improved compared to when I read it a couple hours ago. I have to say though, the current blurb seems really clunky, so on that front, we should have a better one. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment for blurb: There are currently eight people arrested according to the Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament article.Jo Jc Jo^{Talk💬Edits📝} 19:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• 'Weak Oppose' It's a high profile case, so this is a close call. But our normal practice is to post convictions vice arrests. That said I can understand the argument for posting given who we are talking about and if TFG is ever indicted, I'd probably support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• When there are mass arrests of multiple high-profile people by multiple authorities, as in this case, then the trials are unlikely to conclude in a simultaneous and tidy way. This is therefore our only opportunity. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  That's a good point. Moving to weak support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

The issue is more that there are heavy indications that there existed corruption in the European Parliament. That a president of the EU parliament has to come back from vacations to personally observe a raid on the vice-president in which bags full of cash were found...Corruption in the highest levels in the EU parliament is the issue, the arrests are just a by-product. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I feel like this misses the point. The point is: what if the trials result in acquittal? Banedon (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Significant news. There is a "named reference "FT" was defined multiple times with different content" error but otherwise the article looks good. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support, It is important news and article looks good. Alex-h (talk) 15:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Several members of the European Parliament being arrested for corruption for reasons involving alleged bribery by a sovereign state is something of international importance. The article quality is fine enough to post at the moment. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support significant on several levels, and the biggest scandal in the EP to date. Yakikaki (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support The sheer breadth of the scandal warrants inclusion with both the number of implicated parties and geographical interest. It is by far the biggest political news from European Politics since 1992. I would strongly support the inclusion of the article on the scandal and not support the article specifically relating to Kaili. Jo Jc Jo^{Talk💬Edits📝} — Preceding undated comment added 00:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted Sam Walton (talk) 11:19, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Has it been confirmed that Qatar is the instigator of this corruption? There is a mention of Morocco in the article too. - Indefensible (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose don't we only post convictions? Banedon (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) First net-gain nuclear fusion reaction

Article: Fusion power (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory announce, in a breakthrough for fusion power technology, that they have produced a nuclear fusion reaction that achieved a net gain of energy. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory announce, in a breakthrough for fusion power technology, that they have used the technique of inertial confinement fusion to achieve a net gain of energy.
News source(s): FT, WaPo, The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Being called a breakthrough / the "holy grail" by RS, with the U.S. secretary of energy set to make an announcement on Tuesday. Davey2116 (talk) 05:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Pre-announcement comments

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• Wait They are said to be announcing this week/tomorrow, which appears to include the publication of a peer-reviewed paper that supports this. We do want to make sure that there is a peer-reviewed source behind this, as that's what we'll need to properly update the article. --Masem (t) 05:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Blurb needs to be simplified somewhat, a bit too convoluted at the moment. Curbon7 (talk) 06:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Look at this wording in the article.... "Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's National Ignition Facility had achieved a net energy gain from a fusion reaction, according to three unnamed sources with alleged knowledge of experiments conducted there". (My bolding.) That's simply not good enough for a topic as controversial as this one. HiLo48 (talk) 06:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Waitsupport in principle, it would be groundbreaking news for the world, but I do not find it in any website yet without a paywall.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This is obviously not the first net-gain nuclear fusion reaction as H-bombs achieved this in a big way years ago. Anyway, there was some reporting from the National Ignition Facility in early November – see [6]; [7]. If that's what's being talked about then it's stale. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I guess you could technically charge a battery with a nuclear blast, but 1) I would rather doubt that anyone has ever gotten much usable energy out of a nuclear blast, and 2) that's a silly comparison :p ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  An H-bomb usually uses a focused A-bomb to compress a capsule and cause it to ignite. The Livermore experiments now use hundreds of lasers but it's much the same idea. Use of H-bombs for power generation and other civilian purposes was explored years ago – see Peaceful nuclear explosion, Project PACER and Project Gnome. So, the fundamental science has been done. It's now a matter of practical engineering and economics. Don't hold your breath... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Doing it with lasers is closer to practical wind/solar/geothermal/hydro/fission/etc/grid energy storage replacements than doing it with H-bombs. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Wait - Per Masem. This definitely needs to be posted though, groundbreaking news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Wait per Masem's comment above. I support blurbing this one but the official announcement (including the peer-reviewed paper) should be released first. Vida0007 (talk) 12:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Wait and add of course. I wanted to add this suggestion myself. Per Masem, the blurb needs to be backed up by a relevant piece in the article, which should be backed up by a suitable source. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC) Changing to add as the breakthrough was announced during the press conference. --Ouro (blah blah) 15:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - The initial reports appear to be overselling the actual achievement. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Still wait - Until the actual press conference, which I believe is today. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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(needs attention) Post-announcement comments

The NIF preamplifiers which condition and shape the laser pulse used to ignite a fusion reaction

Articles: National Ignition Facility (talk · history · tag) and Fusion power (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists at the United States' National Ignition Facility announce, in a breakthrough for fusion power technology, that they have used the technique of inertial confinement fusion to achieve a net gain of energy. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The US National Ignition Facility (pictured) announces that it has achieved fusion ignition.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United States Department of Energy announces that scientists at the National Ignition Facility have achieved fusion ignition.
News source(s): [8][9][10][11][12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bri (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major US department announcement, global top-tier media coverage ☆ Bri (talk)

I'm late to this but Financial Times appears to have broken it, The New York Times has repeated the story, and both Politico and CNN may have independently confirmed from other sources now. I've added sources to National Ignition Facility for inspection. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I think we ought to consider this item reopened. Most of the people who participated at this ITN were asking to wait, rather than opposing outright, contrary to Kiril's closure rationale. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

My closure rationale was "no consensus to post at this time", which clearly reflects the pile-up of wait votes, not that there was any outright opposition. I had it in mind that the nomination should be re-opened and just wanted to prevent an overflow of further wait votes.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Wait for the peer-reviewed paper. This appears to have been a leak or embargo breach, not an official announcement. Modest Genius ^talk 15:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Update: there's now been an official announcement, but still no paper (peer-reviewed or otherwise). I'm kinda torn on this - it's big news if true, but a peer-reviewed paper should be the bare minimum to consider a science story. I wonder if the leak forced them to make a premature announcement before the paper is ready... I'm still inclined to wait until the evidence is presented to the scientific community in a peer-reviewed paper. Modest Genius ^talk 19:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Also, the fusion power article is far too broad to be the bold link, and has only two sentences of update. National Ignition Facility would be a better target, which at least has a short section on the new results. Modest Genius ^talk 20:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Now Oppose. Here is the presser from DOE [13]. The experiment they are raving on about took place only on Dec 5, and there is no sign of a peer review paper or collaboration. I do not expect the national labs to be faking their result but we really do need a paper with peer review to affirm. --Masem (t) 15:25, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  • • im sorry, but why do we need a peer review paper for a world shattering news announcement? yes, we need peer review to confirm the science of this. it may well be false. but the CLAIM is highly notable, esp. since we are way past the dark days when everyone would just make wild claims about fusion. this is real science now. the announcement itself is highly notable. 50.193.19.66 (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

      There hasn't been replication if the results, nor other confirmations expected fir such a significant result. News media are not scientific experts. Masem (t) 17:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment At the initial phase of the press event DoE said outside experts evaluated the results, which is part of the reason to delay till today for announcing the December 5 experiment. Not sure who exactly it was doing the review. Probably more coming at the panel discussion. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Strong support as a groundbreaking scientific breakthrough, which is Wikipedia and ITN's wheelhouse, plus the topic's coverage in front-page stories from some of the largest news outlets in the world. That ought to be enough for a section titled "in the news" and not "in the scientific literature". Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 15:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• It doesn't seem to be ground-breaking as, per the PR, they've been working on this approach for 60 years. Getting to break-even point isn't a big achievement as every existing power system does better than that -- just use a match to light a pile of sticks, for example. What's needed for success is that the TCO is better than rival systems. This is why H-bomb fusion power was not pursued – see Project PACER. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Moreover, from what's being said, it seems that the claim of break-even is just based on the laser energy hitting the target. It actually takes a lot more energy to power the lasers than you get out and so this is phoney accounting. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Aren't they diode lasers? Those are a lot more efficient than earlier lasers. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• According to Anatomy of a NIF shot, it takes 400 million joules of electrical energy to deliver 2 million joules of laser energy to the target. You then get about 2.5 million joules back from the fusion. So, spend 400 million to get 2.5 million. Do the math. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:55, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Rome wasn't built in a day. Okay I checked they aren't diode lasers but if LEDs keep getting x times better every decade give it a few decades. Remember how big, dim and red they were in the 1970s or 80s and now they're efficient and bright enough for streetlights and artificial sunlight and small and cheap enough to fit tens of millions on a smartphone and come in all colors from UV to infrared? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:35, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support, but I would rather see National Ignition Facility mentioned because of the issues banner displayed in Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 15:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Support with main article being National Ignition Facility. this is one of those events that people will consider for renumbering of years, ie BF/Before Fusion, AF/After Fusion. Mercurywoodrose not logged in.50.193.19.66 (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
    • I created a new ITN proposal box based on this support. Hope this doesn't mess up process. Refactor if required... ☆ Bri (talk) 17:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose The DoE press-release is quite nauseating in that it credits a long list of politicians and administrators but doesn't name the scientists and technicians who actually devised and conducted the experiment in question. And, as it's just a glory-stealing bit of PR with no independent confirmation, it's not a reliable source. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Do the literally dozens of reliable news articles, plenty of which aren't based on just the press release, not count? :-) Also, noting that you already opposed once above. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 16:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
    • The news media is not reliable when it's just recycling a press-release. See churnalism and WP:PRSOURCE. As for this discussion, this seems to be a formal part II in which we respond to the further details, such as they are. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

    It has been.standard practice for us at ITN to make sure a scientific breakthrough is accompanied by a peer review publication to assure there is some oversight of the science. A massive press conference and news cover does not make up for that. Masem (t) 16:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

    we wont get full independent confirmation, as details of the techniques are highly classified. i would suggest that we assume multiple layers of internal review and bureacracy making this announcement unvarnished truth at core. the backlash to the DOE/LLL would be absurd if they messed this up. this is THE holy grail of energy generation.Mercurywoodrose 50.193.19.66 (talk) 17:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  • Support the altblurb which helps set the record straight per OMUnicorn's good point below. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support on significance. It's being covered very widely by reliable sources around the world, therefore it's in the news. I'll trust the editorial judgement of the world's news media over the lay opinions of the editors above. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• The news media routinely over-hypes scientific papers. For example, see "Major breakthrough on nuclear fusion energy". That's from the BBC -- a reliable source, right? But then notice that it's from back in February about another grand claim from a different lab. I noticed that at the time and decided that it didn't amount to anything. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• They're ramping up, give them some credit. --Ouro (blah blah) 17:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• "I'll trust the editorial judgement of the world's news media over the lay opinions of the editors above." Hear, hear. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  There is a reason we have SCIRS alongside MEDRS. If a major medical reported a breakthrough in treating cancer, covered widely by the media but not yet reported in a medical journal, we would not include that in ITN due to the MEDRS issue. Same can be said for other scientific breakthroughs. Masem (t) 19:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  MEDRS is a specially defined policy and not what we're discussing here! Very simply, the largest news outlets in the world are publishing stories about this, and this section is named "in the news." If the coverage were substantially less, as it is for many 'run of the mill' discoveries, I'd of course be open to reevaluating based on the strength of the sources. We do similar things for all articles on Wikipedia. But... this isn't run of the mill. 04:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Probably one of the most important scientific achievements this century. Considerable news coverage, with a lot of excitement about it yesterday even before the announcement. Any issues with the DOE press release are imo fixed by independent coverage by other sources. For example, the NYTimes [14] interviews other scientists involved in the project, provides context, and puts things in perspective. No reason to doubt this, and its very exciting. Plus the NIF and fusion power articles are pretty good and it would be nice to highlight them. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• The NYT report confirms that this is not actually a break-even result, "Although the latest experiment produced a net energy gain compared to the energy of the 2.05 megajoules in the incoming laser beams, NIF needed to pull 300 megajoules of energy from the electrical grid in order to generate the brief laser pulse." It's also interesting that fusion power is not what these giant lasers are for, "The main purpose of the National Ignition Facility is to conduct experiments to help the United States maintain its nuclear weapons." Andrew🐉(talk) 19:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support given that this is making headline news (thus, ITN) and appears to be as momentous a breakthrough as is claimed. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 19:48, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Strong Support - Massive significance. For a world currently in an energy crisis, and facing climate change, this is a major breakthrough and story. It is literally in the news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Or it might be, and the media and politicians have got overexcited. HiLo48 (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose This an area of science that has historically been full of bullshit. We cannot know yet whether this is just another example. We need certainty. HiLo48 (talk) 20:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Um this is the United States Department of Energy, not User:Abd. nableezy - 21:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I really don't care. I won't believe this until five years have passed and it's been replicated a dozen times all over the world. HiLo48 (talk) 22:40, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Cool. nableezy - 00:09, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

@Nableezy: That's some FA-class Wiki-shade right there. Kurtis ^(talk) 18:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

but only the og's know it ;) nableezy - 19:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support - yes this is not a peer-reviewed article, but this is in the news, and right now this is news, and widely covered news. Its on the front page of nearly every major news website out there. This is a huge deal, and right now is when it is news. nableezy - 21:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Massive news that hopefully encourages global leaders to rethink the merits of nuclear energy. As per above, the lack of a peer-reviewed source is a valid argument but this is indeed in the news right now. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Perspective Here's a good article in The Atlantic which gives the history of this lab making ambitious promises, failing to achieve them and then claiming similar breakthroughs by using creative accounting. It cites a story from 2014 in which the lab also claimed "fuel gains of greater than 1". Fool me once... Andrew🐉(talk) 21:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  What are you talking about? A. this article was before the announcement, and before interviewing outside experts. B. has nothing to do with our criteria for posting to ITN. Nearly all of your comments have been contradicted by any number of policies and guidelines, most notably WP:OR, and should be ignored by a closer. As an editor wrote above, I'll trust the editorial judgement of the world's news media over the lay opinions of the editors above. That is, in addition to being on point in this discussion, also in fact Wikipedia policy. nableezy - 21:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  The author of the Atlantic article seems well informed because he's written a book about the history of this field: Sun in a Bottle: The Strange History of Fusion and the Science of Wishful Thinking. So, he's an independent expert. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Well informed enough to note, in the article, that the entire premise of the article is not yet clear. (When this story went to press, neither the Livermore lab nor the Department of Energy had responded to requests for comment.). The multiple sources from after the announcement note that the premise was in fact incorrect, and that independent experts have agreed with the DoE's statement on both the result and the significance. nableezy - 22:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  I've read the other reports and the significance seems to be not that this is a practical method of power generation but that they have achieved "ignition" – the state in which fusion is occurring at the intensity found in an H-bomb. That's the main purpose of National Ignition Facility -- to test and validate the ignition of US nuclear weapons. This has been an existential issue for the lab, whose future was in doubt after the cold war ended and that's why they have been so anxious to get a result. The challenge is presenting this accurately in a blurb. And there's still the issue of peer-review as: "The findings have not been peer reviewed". Andrew🐉(talk) 23:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support posting, oppose proposed blurb the current blurb is too verbose and doesn't make it clear that this is the first time a net energy gain has been achieved 2A02:C7F:2CE3:4700:A4BA:7897:37CE:688C (talk) 23:27, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
  • You can propose alternate blurbs by editing the box's altblurb, altblurb2 etc. parameters. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
    • For the record, I created the altblurb which has now been posted: "The US National Ignition Facility (pictured) announces that it has achieved fusion ignition." Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per The_ed17 Shanes (talk) 02:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support A significant breakthrough that has gotten significant coverage. Surprised it's not up already. Daniel Case (talk) 04:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• This is not energy generation. Although an important scientific breakthrough, the actual claim being made here is that the heat energy out of the fuel was 50% greater than the optical energy absorbed by the pellet. The lasers themselves are only on the order of 1% efficient, and nonetheless the facility has no means of capturing the power anyway. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 05:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Optical energy absorbed (not i.e. reflected) by the pellet was one of the previous milestones. This is 1.5 times the power of the laser light and charging the laser took a lot more than that. The symmetry required seems pretty hard, like the explosive lenses of post-Hiroshima atomic bombs. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose , the more I read about it, the more I am convinced that the reason for the announcement is to secure future financial support for the project. Which in turn it is aimed for Stockpile stewardship rather than energy generation. Also, the ratio Q (E generated vs E needed) taking account the 400 MJ to power up the lasers, gives a Q~0.01 far from the 0.7 record of the JET tokamak (source). So, not really breakthrough news, just PR for a simbolic milestone. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: Per osunpokeh and Alexcalamaro. RAN1 (talk) 11:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Support altblurb: It's a major breakthrough, just not in power generation. RAN1 (talk) 12:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support in principle. RS newspapers are heralding it as a major breakthrough, so it's in the news and qualifies, whatever individual Wikipedians might think about it. That said, though, the article quality is poor at the moment, a lot of missing citations, so the discussion is probably moot anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support altblurb - Lay media has a poor track record of accurately conveying science information, but it is undoubtedly in the news. Altblurb is clearer and more accurate than the original blurb. I have concerns with the accuracy of news reports, and thus the accuracy of our article which is based on them. However, I feel readers may come to us expecting to find clarity given the hype in the news, and so it is worth running. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Atlblurb is fine. The event is widely covered by the RS and is widely characterized by the RS as a breakthrough. That should be good enough for us. Nsk92 (talk) 16:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted altblurb. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  • Pull regardless of my stance on this, it had been pointed out that the NIF article was not ready to post with cb tags and unsourced paragraphs. --Masem (t) 17:34, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  My goodness you've got guts. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 18:04, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support—"The power of the sun... in the palm of my hand." Kurtis ^(talk) 18:40, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment - I checked the NIF article and three cn tags remain there (although personally it already looks good to me). And while I mentioned the peer-reviewed article in the pre-announcement sub-section, I concur with Nableezy that this has already become major news, which is basically the essence of ITN. Vida0007 (talk) 18:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting support This is something which is being covered at a sufficient level to indicate that people are hearing about it outside of Wikipedia, so that clears the significance hurdle. The article is sufficient quality; yes there are a small number of cn tags, but on the balance the article is very well referenced, and the relevant information is scrupulously balanced. --Jayron32 19:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Quite confused here. The main action on this is just a link to an article mostly about the facility, the only mention of the hook phrase "fusion ignition" on the entire article is in a caption, the section about it is called Breakeven, which the fusion ignition article linked calls out in the lead that it should not be confused with "breakeven". This sounds like an important scientific achievement, but the article seems to woefully under represent this. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:56, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pull - obviously. The NIF article is not the correct one to post, it's fusion power that has the update in it, as per the nomination above. And in any case, the NIF article is astoundingly unreferenced. Does anybody even bother checking quality before posting these days? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Addition - as of now there are 23 citation needed tags in the article that I've spotted, plus the "ICF program, 1970s" section has two entirely uncited paragraphs. Wuerzele has been reverting my addition of those tags, noting that the same material is already cited in a child article, but as far as I'm aware that's never been a substitute for having citations present in the actual page linked from the main page. As such, this still needs to be pulled even if the citation needed tags are removed again. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Pull how is getting 3 Mjoules from 400 MJ news? Also it is reached in a not desirable configuration. This is an example of news clickbait.--ReyHahn (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• This is ITN worthy. But PULL. This article is embarrassing! --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pull - As much as I would support this for ITN, these articles are bad and should be pulled from main page. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I think re-targeting so that fusion power is the bold link is much wiser at the moment; this is the main article of concern to the blurb in my view, and the article needs considerably less citation work than the NIF article. Curbon7 (talk) 23:28, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• No, the fusion power article has about 40 paragraphs which have no citation or a {{cn}}. If it was tag bombed in the same way, it would look worse. It's a larger and more general topic and so would be a lot more work to perfect. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:30, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, I put the wrong link, I meant to link to Fusion ignition. Curbon7 (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

• Amending previous "support" vote to be a pull per above. Article is not in good shape and the blurb chosen does not target a satisfactory article. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• I've pulled the article over article quality / referencing concerns. Schwede66 00:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
• Proposed another alt, with the target fusion ignition which also has the update it in it. Also dealt with the concerns at ERRORS on who announced what. So restore with alt2. nableezy - 01:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment the cn tags should have been taken care of now. Some voters here might want to chip in to the article instead of writing paragraphs here. 2A02:2F0B:B400:9600:6109:2748:4A01:5EE4 (talk) 02:15, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

RD: Jim Carr

Article: Jim Carr (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician with an extensive history in both provincial and federal politics. Rushtheeditor^talk 16:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment This looks well written, but there are still three cn tags in the article. Vida0007 (talk) 09:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support One cn tag now, which shouldn't obstruct this nomination IMO. --38.106.246.207 (talk) 20:34, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support, cn tag fixed (place of birth is mentioned in his PoC profile). The article is ready. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:37, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose The sourcing at Jim Carr#Third term still needs improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 15:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

December 11

Portal:Current events/2022 December 11

December 11, 2022 (2022-12-11) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022 North Kosovo crisis Serb protesters in Northern Kosovo block main roads for a second day following a nighttime exchange of fire with police after the arrest of a Serb former policeman, amid rising tensions between authorities and Kosovo's Serb minority. (Reuters) Kosovo's Prime Minister Albin Kurti states that "the barricades from masked criminals in the north must be removed immediately". (Al Jazeera) Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić calls an emergency meeting of the National Security Council. After the meeting, Vučić states that "it is important to call on Serbs and Albanians to keep the peace" and that he "made certain decisions and gave orders". (Politika) Afghanistan–Pakistan border skirmishes Six Pakistani civilians and a Taliban fighter are killed during a shootout between Taliban forces and Pakistani soldiers over a dispute on construction of new checkpoints on the Afghan side of the Chaman border. Seventeen Pakistani civilians, ten Taliban fighters and three Afghan civilians are also injured. (Al Jazeera) December 2022 Peruvian protests Two people are killed and four more are injured as pro-Pedro Castillo protests in Peru escalate. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents Three children die and another is critically injured after falling through the ice on the frozen Babbs Mill Lake during a cold wave in Kingshurst, West Midlands, United Kingdom. (BBC News) Health and environment South Sudan declares a measles outbreak with a spokesperson for the Ministry of Health reporting that there are currently 2,471 cases and 31 deaths from measles reported in 22 counties. (Xinhua) Law and crime Pan Am Flight 103 Federal authorities in the United States announce the arrest of a Libyan man charged in relation with the Lockerbie bombing in 1988, which killed 270 people. (CNN) Four people are killed and three others are injured in a mass shooting at a bar in Rome, Lazio, Italy. (Reuters) (La Repubblica) Three people are killed and four others are injured during a car chase between the Carabinieri and another vehicle in Alessandria, Piedmont, Italy. (Ansa) Science and technology Artemis 1 The uncrewed Artemis 1 mission, the first of the NASA's Artemis program, ends with a splashdown of the Orion capsule in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Baja California at 17:40 UTC. (CBC News)

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RD: Wolf Erlbruch

Article: Wolf Erlbruch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Spiegel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German writer and illustrator of children's books which are not only for children (Duck, Death and the Tulip), first German to be awarded the Swedish prize that is kind of the Nobel prize in the field. - Article was remarkably good, made only minor formatting changes, and used some refs more than once. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Angelo Badalamenti

Article: Angelo Badalamenti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, Los Angeles Times, Pitchfork
Credits:

• Nominated by CurryTime7-24 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Carliertwo (talk · give credit) and Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Badalementi was the composer for all of David Lynch's films starting from Blue Velvet in 1986; also a Grammy and ASCAP award winner. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you for nominating! Some facts in the prose are without refs, and also the awards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Let me get to work on that in a moment. Currently working on work work. ;) — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Article now fully sourced. Excellent composer with amazing career that created such amazing original work like the Twin Peaks and Laura Palmer themes. SitcomyFan (talk) 07:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support—Per this. Kurtis ^(talk) 18:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

European Film Awards

Articles: 35th European Film Awards (talk · history · tag) and Triangle of Sadness (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Triangle of Sadness takes four top prizes, including for best film, best director and best actor, at European Film Awards. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Кирилл С1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Oppose on quality. Table farm, very little prose. --Jayron32 17:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality, and per Jayron32.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I've never heard of these and find no nomination in prior year. We cannot post all awards for cinema, so we select only the most significant. A fair number have been included at ITN/R, so I think a case would have to be made to expand the glut any further. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I proposed adding it on talk. I can not speak for everyone and don't know whether everyone heard of them. It is a major Film Award, it recognises European cinema, not only English language films and not only films screened in LA. The Awards have significant coverage - this is what counts. Previous ceremonies [15] [16] [17] [18] are covered in the same sources that cover Oscars and BAFTAS. Kirill C1 (talk) 21:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  It is covered this year, too [19] [20] [21] [22]. Kirill C1 (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I would not dispute any of that. But there are unquestionably a great many events that have significant coverage in the press that we nevertheless do not cover here in the interest of balancing the topics covered. The threshold certainly varies (e.g. soccer gets more events than gridiron) but this one is already well represented. Also, the Cannes and Berlin are more prestigious awards that honor European and non-English films. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:27, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for everything GCG says. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:16, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kenneth Powell (sprinter)

Article: Kenneth Powell (sprinter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sportstar (India)
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Daydreal (talk · give credit) and Khgk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian sprinter. Arjuna awardee. Ktin (talk) 20:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Not seeing a reason not to. The biography is well-referenced, and has been updated with the news of subject's death, which has been reported in the major oriental outlets (e.g., [23]). MBlaze Lightning (talk) 12:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. I have never heard of him and not important enough for the global wikipedia news page, therefore oppose. Evan224 (talk) 00:46, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. 65.94.215.11 (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Tell me you don't know the point of Wikipedia's ITN without telling me you don't know the point of Wikipedia's ITN. Tube·of·Light 03:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

okay i'm sorry i'm new to editing Evan224 (talk) 03:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for being a bit snarky. I would suggest you go through Wikipedia's policies and rules (like Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, and for ITN specifically, Wikipedia:In the news. Tube·of·Light 05:22, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Artemis 1 return

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Article: Artemis 1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Orion capsule of NASA's Artemis 1 unmanned lunar orbit mission successfully splashes down on Earth. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We did post Artemis 1's launch but as per ITNR, the arrival of a craft that includes lunar orbits and beyond are also considered. This is part of a series of NASA missions to get us back onto the Moon. Currently one section has an orange tag and needs fixing. Masem (t) 18:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support on significance, oppose on quality There is an update tag. Arrival of a craft that includes lunar orbits and beyond is significant per ITNR. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Already blurbed, and I don't think the return of a capsule to Earth counts as arrival of a spacecraft under the specific wording of the ITN/R entry: "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations". DarkSide830 (talk) 00:39, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - this was entirely expected as part of the mission; maybe it should have been ongoing? I'm all in favour of blurbing the launches of the mission - and even of Artemis 3 a second time if they do step onto the moon as planned. But the landings seem overkill to me. Nfitz (talk) 03:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  The method of re-entry was an unknown and necessary to support future Artemis missions. Masem (t) 05:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose – I have to agree that this arrival isn't particularly worth blurbing. We blurbed the launch 25 days ago, and this unmanned test does not compare to the human missions planned for the coming years. I might be willing to blurb the human missions twice in this manner, but currently we don't even really know if humans would've survived this re-entry (at least, the Wikipedia article doesn't go into detail on how well this went). ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• For the record, I don't think this qualifies as ITNR. "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations" to me mean its arrival around the Moon, not its subsequent returns to Earth. -- KTC (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• This isn't ITNR. The Moon was the destination, not Earth. 331dot (talk) 11:03, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Support - Artemis 1 was the first step of the human exploration of the Inner Solar System. A successful mission, with a safe return for Earth is enough to make ITN imo. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

It went to a place humans have already gone. This smacks of WP:CRYSTAL-gazing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

That is true. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:59, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Personally, I don't feel as if a return trip (atleast a return trip from the artemis 1) is worthy to get a second blurb. It's already gotten a blurb for launching so I don't believe that it needs to be blurbed again. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:18, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Already blurbed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:17, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, We already had this one. Alex-h (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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RD: Georgia Holt

Article: Georgia Holt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A01:4C8:C8B:D8F8:5D94:BBE1:7159:E773 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 2A01:4C8:C8B:D8F8:5D94:BBE1:7159:E773 (talk) 05:34, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Checked the article and it appears that it does not have sourcing issues. Vida0007 (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• The "Discography" section needs sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:08, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  @PFHLai It's now sourced. —Bagumba (talk) 08:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks, Bagumba. -- PFHLai (talk) 11:06, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Filmography needs more refs. It was previously incorrectly sourced to one citation.[24]—Bagumba (talk) 09:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

December 10

Portal:Current events/2022 December 10

December 10, 2022 (2022-12-10) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure More than 1.5 million people are left without electricity in Odesa Oblast as a result of Russian drone strikes on two power facilities. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan One person is killed and six others are injured by a bombing in a bakery in Awaran District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2022 St Helier explosion Nine people are killed, and three others are injured, after an explosion at a three-story apartment building in St Helier, Jersey. (BBC News) Politics and elections Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament European Parliament president Roberta Metsola suspends Greek MEP Eva Kaili from her role as Vice-President of the European Parliament following her arrest the previous day over corruption charges. (AFP via South China Morning Post) Sports 2022 FIFA World Cup Morocco defeats Portugal 1–0 in the 2022 FIFA World Cup to become the first African and first Arab semi-finalists in World Cup history. (CNN)

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(Needs attention) 2022 St Helier explosion

Article: 2022 St Helier explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A housing block collapses after a suspected gas explosion on the island of Jersey killing at least eight people. (Post)
News source(s): ITV News The Guardian, Sky News, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Curb Safe Charmer (talk · give credit)
• Created by Buttons0603 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Greyzxq (talk · give credit), Ânes-pur-sàng (talk · give credit) and A bit iffy (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Significant loss of life in a small community; national news coverage; some mystery over the cause - while all official and media sources are suspecting a gas leak the property was not connected to the gas main and no damage to pipes have been found. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support – Nice work on the article, looks like a fine feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:52, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment What is the image supposed to be? Curbon7 (talk) 12:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Curbon7: It is a photo taken from just along the road from the building that was destroyed. Unfortunately as there has been a strict police cordon in place since the explosion it has not been possible to get a better picture. There are pictures by the Government press office and by accredited media and some by drone operators but none that appear to be licenced under creative commons. I can see if I can take a better one with a long lens and upload to Commons. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support This seems important enough to post & the article looks like it’s good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Good to go. Vida0007 (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul Silas

Article: Paul Silas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Longtime NBA basketball player and head coach. Was a two-time NBA All-Star and won three NBA championships. —Bagumba (talk) 10:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Seems adequately sourced. Kafoxe (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dorothy Pitman Hughes

Article: Dorothy Pitman Hughes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, NBC News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by SusanLesch (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Feminist, child welfare advocate, and activist. Hughes died on December 1 but I think her death was announced more recently. Article is Start class. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Question: Can an admin please tell me if Hughes is eligible for ITN? I will work on her article if she is. Her death appears to be announced by the funeral home the day after her burial which was December 9. Obituaries then appeared in the news. ITN rules say the announcement must be within 7 days. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
  • First announcement + 7 days. This is fine. --PFHLai (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• support the second para of the “Early career” section is unsourced. I haven’t been able to see obituaries in English earlier than yesterday, so I think she may be suitable for inclusion in MP. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

  Comment: Thank you, Alsor. Citations are done. Also I found an article in Rival Times saying her death wasn't announced until last night, so we're OK here. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:09, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support This article looks ready to be posted for RD. Vida0007 (talk) 12:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ruth Madoc

Article: Ruth Madoc (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63927507
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:30, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support, article looks OK. Mjroots (talk) 17:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article looks decent. Referencing is adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Well-sourced and well-written. Vida0007 (talk) 09:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 10:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Indonesian new criminal code

Article: Indonesian Criminal Code (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Indonesian parliament unanimously passes legislation which includes banning extramarital sex, cohabitation and discrediting the government. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, Sky
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Quite a significant event of human rights being removed, one of the causes of the 2019 riots finally making it to law. Widely reported. Protests in Jakarta recently too, Bali threatened as a top tourist destination Abcmaxx (talk) 10:33, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close no, not again. We already had this discussion before. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:37, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

yes and it was only closed because no article was nominated. Please stop abusing WP:SNOW. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support and snow unclose We've posted when a country №156 implemnented homosexual marriage not once, not thrice, but many, many times. We should post when countries move in the opposite direction as well 5.44.170.26 (talk) 11:40, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Significant news. I have corrected the article. Indonesian criminal procedure (id:Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Acara Pidana) is not the law that bans extramarital sex and added other restrictions, it is a revision of id:Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana (Indonesian Criminal Code). Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Needs work For example, the lead of the nominated article says "By deviating as necessary from the Regulation of the President of the Republic of Indonesia dated 10 October 1945 No. 2, it stipulates that the criminal law regulations that are currently in effect are the Dutch criminal law regulations that existed on March 8, 1942". This is too bureaucratic to be clear but, in any case, doesn't seem to reflect the change. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality but support on principle - this is a massive piece of legislation that removes rights we'd normally associate with a democratic country. --Masem (t) 14:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support once updated per Masem, now that we have an article. Obviously major enough news to warrant widespread coverage. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:12, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Sheila1988 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support on notability. Hrodvarsson (talk) 16:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support, though Indonesia shouldn't be linked in the blurb, rather "Indonesian parliament" as a whole should link to People's Consultative Assembly. DecafPotato (talk) 17:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support in principle, oppose on quality. As a very significant piece of legislation in one of the world's most populous countries (definitely democratic backsliding...), I would support it. Unfortunately, the quality is not anywhere close to where in needs to be. Neutrality^talk 18:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment - The blurb mentions extramarital sex (i.e. adultery) which is illegal in a decent amount of democratic countries, including some of the United States, and seemed to already be illegal in Indonesia prior to this. From the sources provided for the ITN nomination it's generally referred to as "sex outside of marriage" which sounds more like premarital sex to me - which would be an even more significant removal of rights. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 18:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose on quality, support once updated as per above. 125.59.140.165 (talk) 02:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support per Hrodvarsson. BilledMammal (talk) 23:15, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. Bit of a question on targeting here - the target article, Indonesian Criminal Code states in it's infobox and later in the article that this legislation was repealed and replaced. Sources seem to be calling the new legislative package by this name as well, but it feels like there is a dissonance between what the article is suggesting and the sources used. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Indeed, the lead of the target article still says "...the criminal law regulations that are currently in effect are the Dutch criminal law regulations that existed on March 8, 1942." and so it's talking about the old code not the new one. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I think then it would be beneficial to the nomination that a new article be created for this new code, or at least re-target to the Indonesian criminal procedure page, or one specifically discussing the protests and discussion surrounding the new legislative package. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Supportper notability. Its a country with one of the largest populations with over 200 million people.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

'Per notability' isn't an argument. Of course it's notable. The question is, is it headline-worthy. (I'm neutral on it myself; I don't feel I understand the situation well enough.) But I see people saying things like 'Support - notable', and that's just deploying one of Wikipedia's favourite buzzwords in place of any actual argument. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

That's how it works around here. Notability and significance for the purpose of ITN doesn't have any sort of descriptor attached to it, which means all that is needed to determine significance is a consensus. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

December 9

Portal:Current events/2022 December 9

December 9, 2022 (2022-12-09) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis Ukraine's Energoatom says that Russian soldiers have abducted two senior staff members from the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. Energoatom says that the two workers were "beaten" before being driven off in an "unknown direction". (Reuters) Battle of Bakhmut Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accuses Russia of "destroying" the front line city of Bakhmut after weeks of relentless shelling by Russian forces. (Newsweek) 2022 North Kosovo crisis Serbian Prime Minister Ana Brnabić says that Serbia is close to deploying its troops to North Kosovo after claiming that the lives of the Serb minority there are "being threatened", and that the NATO-led Kosovo Force was "failing to protect them". (ABC News) Disasters and accidents Ten people are killed and four others are injured in an explosion at a coal mine in Sawahlunto, West Sumatra, Indonesia. (AP) At least one person is killed after a large explosion occurs during a massive fire at a shopping center in Moscow, Russia. (Al Jazeera) International relations United States sanctions China–United States relations United States sanctions against China The United States Office of Foreign Assets Control imposes sanctions on former Chinese Communist Party Secretary of the Tibet Autonomous Region Wu Yingjie and People's Police chief for the Himalayas Zhang Hongbo over "serious" human rights abuses in Tibet. (AFP via NDTV) Guinea–United States relations The U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control imposes sanctions on former Guinean president Alpha Condé for engaging in political violence during his presidency. (AFP via VOA) Law and crime Protests against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine A court in Moscow sentences prominent opposition figure Ilya Yashin to eight and a half years in prison on charges related to his criticism of the ongoing war in Ukraine. (ABC News) Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament The Belgian Federal Police arrest Greek MEP and European Parliament vice-president Eva Kaili following an investigation into corruption tied to lobbying efforts in support of Qatar. Kaili's political parties, the Panhellenic Socialist Movement and the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats, have both suspended her membership. (AFP via WION) (CNN) Fifteen people are killed during a gunfight between soldiers and drug smugglers in Mon Pin, Thailand. (Bangkok Post) Science and technology A Japanese research team from Yamagata University announces the discovery of 168 new big figures near the Nazca Lines in Peru. (EFE via El Mundo) Sports Ironman Triathlon The Ironman Triathlon cancels the 2023 and 2024 triathlons to be held in Juneau, Alaska, United States, citing economic concerns. (Juneau Empire)

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All South Koreans to become younger

Article: East Asian age reckoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The government of South Korea announces plans to switch from the Korean age system to the system used by most other countries in the world. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ South Korea is standardising age calculations for official purposes from June 2023.
News source(s): The Guardian; BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: the population of an entire nation is about to become 1 or 2 years younger Abcmaxx (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close Why is “announces plans” ITNR-worthy? _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

because it's the start of a long and arduous process, it will require slow and multiple changes in law to implement; this is the notable milestone. Also not snow. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:44, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

This is an enclyopedia, not a news journal, as has been said countless times. This is notorious, but for now this and nothing is the same. When it becomes a reality, then we will debate it. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Please stop calling for snow in early votes. You don't know at that point whether WP:SNOW is going to be relevant, and it just looks like a clumsy attempt to shut down discussion. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I have literally only asked for it in two (2) discussions that I have participated in this week. If you think it's problematic, that's strictly subjective. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

No, I think it's problematic too, and I would also ask that you disengage from doing so. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:36, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Very interesting fact and important event on national level. Kirill C1 (talk) 11:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - per Alsor. Good faIth nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support The national assembly has just passed a relevant law so this seems a reasonable time to run the story. I've suggested an alt blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Relatively minor administrative weirdness that brings in S. Korea with the rest of the world of how age is calculated. This is a DYK at best. --Masem (t) 13:54, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure you can call the age of millions of people a minor thing. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:25, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

    Their physical age is not changing. Someone born in S. Korea on 1/1/1993 will still have been on this planet for 30 years come 1/1/2023. It is more what from an administrative side how they documented age. They are now bringing that outdated system in line with the rest of the world. Masem (t) 14:57, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• This will be quite a big deal in South Korea. Recall our rubric above, "Please do not oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country...". Andrew🐉(talk) 15:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  It's an administrative change, nothing more. My argument has nothing to do with being related to a single country. Masem (t) 15:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nom. Unless I'm misreading this, nothing has actually happened outside of planning. We don't typically post plans. Beyond that, this sounds like something along the lines of Ruritania planning to switch from driving on the left side of the road, to the right. Mildly interesting but not exactly ITN material. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose The change is bureaucratic filing, which is boring. Both in theory and practice: at least some Koreans have long been aware of the difference to the rest of the world and have counted their age as 0 until first birthday for years anyway, so I don't think it can sneak into ITN-worthy as having an effect on a whole population either (edit: and seeing as proposed change is just for bureaucratic purposes, I doubt the Korean population who do count +1 or +2 will bother changing their age in everyday life anyway). Kingsif (talk) 17:44, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose May be worth posting when it actually happens, but nothingburger at the moment. Curbon7 (talk) 18:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support when it actually happens. Quantum XYZ (chat) 07:28, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Question: The article said "On 8 December 2022, the National Assembly passed a bill that would prohibit the usage of traditional ages on official documents effective June 2023." A national parliament passing a law is it "actually happening." Of course most laws need rules and regulations to work, but for this one, this is set and in stone and is actually happening. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is an administrative change, for all intents and purposes and for all we know may not even have an individual impact depending on how individual people feel about it. Encyclopedic, notable, DYK material. Not ITN worthy though. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support – The bill has passed, the change will be made. Feels to me like a major step in cultural standardization. Article looks good, so I'm all for blurbing this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Opposebut in my opinion it would be good fit for DYK.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Agreed PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:53, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  I do think there's a misunderstanding at play on what DYK is; DYK is about featuring recently created/improved articles, while ITN is about featuring articles that have seen some expansion because of recent events. It often feels like "interesting news" is devalued in ITN because "we have a different section for that," but this perspective doesn't make sense to me. I do think interestingness (and especially a certain level of encyclopedia-ness) is a valuable thing to consider for ITN as well. This might also tie into us not being a news ticker. I recognize this might be a larger discussion for the talk page, but I hope I could convince some people to reconsider this item. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:23, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is administrivia. I opposed the 'new SI prefixes' nomination, and the 'no more leap seconds' one, and I oppose this too. Technical changes in how something is measured are not headline news. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:57, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Question - Would this group of ITN users also have opposed Decimal Day?--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 19:20, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Can't speak for anyone else, but I probably would have. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

I absolutely would have opposed that, yes, and also Dagen H.GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Decimalization of British currency was a massive change in the day-to-day experience of Britons, and I 100% would've supported such a news story. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:06, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but the physical worth of their money hasn't changed. It's only how they calculate money from the administrative side. Still, you supported this current nom as well, so it makes sense for you to have also supported Decimal Day. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:43, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Honestly, it probably fits better in "Did you know" then ITN. It's an interesting fact, for sure, which makes it great for that section, but not ITN worthy. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 21:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support It's encyclopedic knowledge; the Korean system of numbering ages is well-known across the world as different, and this marks a significant change; and it would interest Wikipedia's readers. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Grant Wahl

Article: Grant Wahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, The Hill
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sawitontwitter (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: No major sourcing problems, more info might surface on circumstances of his death Mooonswimmer 02:29, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose for now some CN tags needs to be resolved first. INeedSupport ^😷 04:10, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Let's also resolve the WP:PROSELINE that makes this article a terrible read. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:39, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Did a quick cleanup of the prose issues and swapped out some sources for better versions. I think it's good to go in its current state, but obviously can be further improved (likely with longer obituaries yet to be published). Wahl is probably the most prominent soccer journalist in the United States, so this is a total shock. SounderBruce 05:48, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article has been greatly improved. Honestly quite unnerving news. Kafoxe (talk) 06:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article is good. Vida0007 (talk) 08:56, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support blurb Looks like a Khahoggi situation here. His brother has made a statement that Grant was assassinated which isn't surprising to me at all. Arab oil monarchies kill another critic of theirs and the US'll let it slide once again --5.44.170.26 (talk) 09:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Please drop the conspiratorial nonsense. There is no evidence for such a claim. Nor for a blurb either. HiLo48 (talk) 11:14, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:09, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  Kudos to all who worked on this. It looks way better than when I last saw it. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jovit Baldivino

Article: Jovit Baldivino (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN Philippines, ABS-CBN News, Philstar
Credits:

• Nominated by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit), EBPCarpio (talk · give credit) and Chlod (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has improved since I last visited it, but still has some work to do (especially in the discography, filmography and awards sections). Vida0007 (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support, Article looks good. Alex-h (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose There are still uncited sections. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 00:11, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Article now looks good. Marked as Ready. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• The tables following the prose are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 03:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• I have already fixed the sources for the tables. As for the awards section, I think the GMMSF award was his only award that he received during his lifetime. Vida0007 (talk) 11:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Does winning Pilipinas Got Talent count as winning an award? Perhaps winning the GMMSF award should be mentioned in the prose? --PFHLai (talk) 12:29, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Article has improved HurricaneEdgar 15:46, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article is adequately referenced and beyond a stub. Hrodvarsson (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 09:13, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

December 8

Portal:Current events/2022 December 8

December 8, 2022 (2022-12-08) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces shell the front line in the Donetsk region, killing one civilian and damaging buildings in Toretsk. (Reuters) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Ten Volunteers for the Defense of the Homeland members are killed during a shooting attack by jihadist insurgents in Boala. (VOA) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Three Palestinian Islamic Jihad gunmen are killed, and two others are injured during an arrest raid by Israeli soldiers at a refugee camp in Jenin, in the occupied West Bank. (Al Jazeera)(Times of Israel) 2022 North Kosovo crisis The Kosovo special forces block the city of Kosovska Mitrovica after the Kosovo Police announced that they will increase their presence in North Kosovo. (Srbija Danas) Arts and culture The Game Awards 2022 At this year's Game Awards, Elden Ring wins Game of the Year while God of War Ragnarök wins the most awards with six. (Washington Post) Business and economy Acquisition of Activision Blizzard by Microsoft The United States Federal Trade Commission announces that they will sue in an attempt to block Microsoft's pending acquisition of Activision Blizzard, citing concerns that the deal would give Microsoft too much control over certain parts of the gaming industry. (The Verge) Egypt joins the BRICS-led New Development Bank after the Egyptian government ratifies its accession into the multilateral development bank. (Egypt Independent) Health and environment French President Emmanuel Macron announces that condoms will be free at pharmacies for all adults between the ages of 18 and 24 years beginning on January 1, as part of an effort to reduce the spread of sexually transmitted diseases in the country. (Reuters) International relations United Kingdom–United States relations Death of Harry Dunn Judge Bobbie Cheema-Grubb of the High Court of Justice of England and Wales suspends American national Anne Sacoolas' eight-month prison sentence for a 12-month period, during which she is under probation unless she commits another offence, over the death of British man Harry Dunn in a 2019 traffic collision. (AFP via Bangkok Post) Russia–United States relations Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange Basketball player Brittney Griner is released in a prisoner swap for arms dealer Viktor Bout. (CBS News) Schengen Area The European Union accepts Croatia's accession to the Schengen Area, effective January 1. (DW) Austria announces that it will veto Bulgaria and Romania's accession to the Schengen Area, citing fears of increased illegal immigration. (AFP via Times of Malta) Law and crime Capital punishment in Iran Mahsa Amini protests Iran announces the first known execution of a prisoner arrested in connection with the protests. The man was found guilty of "waging war against God" after being accused of blocking a street and attacking a security forces member with a machete. (Time) Wirecard scandal The trial of three executives of the now insolvent German financial services provider Wirecard, including its former chief executive officer Markus Braun, opens in Munich. Braun and two others have been charged with accounting fraud, breach of trust, commercial gang fraud, and market manipulation. (AFP via France 24) LGBT rights in the United States The U.S. House of Representatives passes the Respect for Marriage Act, which enshrines same-sex marriage and interracial marriage into federal law, in a 258–169–1 vote. (CNBC) (Axios) Politics and elections 2017–present Peruvian political crisis 2022 Peruvian self-coup attempt, December 2022 Peruvian protests Protests break out across Peru, including the capital Lima, in response to ousting and detainment of former President of Peru Pedro Castillo. (Euronews) The Alberta Sovereignty Within a United Canada Act, which grants the cabinet of the Canadian province of Alberta the ability to nullify national laws, passes the Albertan legislature by a party line vote of 27–7, following significant opposition by the Alberta New Democratic Party and Indigenous chiefs. (CBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Jackie McLeod

Article: Jackie McLeod (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IIHF, WHL
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article for a former professional ice hockey player, and coach of the Canada men's national ice hockey team. I apologize for nominating this five days after his death. I have done some rewriting and cleanup but I have no more time to commit to this as I am busy in real life. I think the article meets minimum standards, but it has a lot more potential if anyone has the time. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 19:12, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• More than long enough with 850+ words of prose. Formatting looks alright. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio looks READY for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 03:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Looks good to go. Vida0007 (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:35, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) The Game Awards

Articles: The Game Awards 2022 (talk · history · tag) and Elden Ring (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In video games, Elden Ring wins Game of the Year at The Game Awards. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Variety, BBC, Toronto Star, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rhain (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Recent discussion on ITN talk page showed this wasn't yet considered ITN but needed more nominations as to judge that. Awards show just finished so some of the reception to the show itself are yet unknown. Masem (t) 04:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Support - Per Rhain. At this point, the Game Awards is more notable than the Oscars, pulling in way more viewers. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Support - The Game Awards were posted last year, why not post it again? Hungry403 (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Question Should we mention the whole Bill Clinton thing? I mean, it was pretty unique, and I believe the Oscars debacle when they announced the wrong movie first was also mentioned on this page back when it happened a few years ago. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 04:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

No, the guy was arrested as a show disruptor. "Nothing to see here" Masem (t) 04:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Nothing to see here sounds like execatly the type of censorship Wikipedia should steer to avoid tbh 5.44.170.26 (talk) 04:37, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Do we blurb about streakers in a World Cup Final? NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I believe we also decided against mentioning the Will Smith slap in the Oscar blurb. In general it doesn't seem to be entirely proper to bring up short-term disturbances in these sorts of events. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, there really is nothing to see here. And since you've !voted to oppose it anyway, your question of covering it is outright moot. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:00, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

ACtually if you read my opposing vote the question is not moot at all, but since most people just push his or her agenda (in this case - the gamers agenda), I see no one actually takes into the consideration or really even reads each other comments, so your comment here is truly moot. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Your insinuation (and Andrew's) that there is an agenda being pushed in this nomination is bad faith and disruptive. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose — Good faith nomination, but the Game Awards is not a notable event on the likes of the Emmys or the Oscars. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 04:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Significant awards show that is certainly in the news. Kafoxe (talk) 05:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. I'd argue The Game Awards are far more notable than the Oscars and Emmys nowadays—far more viewers, at least. It was posted last year too, so there's precedent. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support on principle We posted The Game Awards last year, and the event tends to get significant media coverage within 24 hours of the event. Given the event ended an hour ago, it's probably too soon to judge media coverage. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:28, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment The Elden Ring article is mostly in good shape, but the Synopsis section is entirely unreferenced. That will need to be fixed before this can be posted. Shouldn't take too long to fix that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 07:14, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• It's pretty normal for plot sections to be completely uncited. I find it weird and uncomfortable as well, but it shouldn't be an issue for main page features at all. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• WP:V is a core policy; even if it is weirdly normal to ignore it for plot summaries we should have higher standards for articles on the front page. BilledMammal (talk) 08:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• It's the policy against the manual of style, I suppose; see MOS:PLOTSOURCE. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  In such circumstances WP:POLCON applies, which tells us that we follow the policy. BilledMammal (talk) 08:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  I don't know why there's a debate on this. There have been several TFAs from this year that have completely unsourced plot sections. MOS:VG allows for the plot to be sourced to the game itself if necessary. But if you want sources, there's possibly some that can be found for the convoluted thing. ‡ The Night Watch ω (talk) 13:32, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

I just want to note that verifiable is not a synonym for inline citations; just because something doesn't have inline citations does not mean it is in conflict with WP:V. WP:MINREF, which re-states what is in WP:V, makes it clear that while some material must have inline citations, there are other ways that material is verifiable. --Jayron32 13:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

It is standard practice across all fiction works that the plot summary is assumed to be sourcable to the work itself, as long as it is concise and only summarizes the work. Masem (t) 13:46, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support—major event in the industry, was posted last year, and recieved significant coverage. DecafPotato (talk) 06:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support – Both articles look well put-together. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:35, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Minimal coverage in reliable sources with wide readership; almost all sources covering it are gaming-focused sources. BilledMammal (talk) 07:48, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I watched most of the thing and it was an embarrasing show, it's mostly an advertisement filled with trailers and straight up ads (that Grubhub ad) lol which take 90% of the time. Comparing it to the oscars is like comparing some youtube star wars/pop culture interviewing podcast to the Larry King or Charlie Rose's shows. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 08:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Edit Also the fact that this was posted last year is not an argument. It hadn't been posted before, shouldn't have been posted then and should not be posted now. The only real argument to notability that I can see here is the whole bill clinton/alt-right debacle. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 08:07, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah I really don't get why this big advertisement TV show became the canonical game awards all of the sudden (rather than the much older and more respectable BAFTAs or GDC), and yet here we are... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  I'd support a nomination for the BAFTA's next year (provided that the article meets quality requirements). NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Just because you don't personally like the show doesn't mean it isn't eligible for ITN. Honestly, the fact that we've posted it last year, and that the Game Awards drew in more viewers, makes it notable enough. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Take your strawman arguments off this website, please. If oscars were 80% trailers and advertisements for services like the Grubhub, I'd vote against them being posted as well. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 10:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  What I'm saying is that the event is being covered widely by reliable sources, and brought in more viewers than the Oscars. It shouldn't so quickly be discounted. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:10, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NOTPROMOTION. This seems to be a highly promotional trade show. There are lots of these for many products and there are even awards for the best advert. Commercial interests make these unreliable -- computer games magazines were notorious for biased reviews to protect their advertising revenue. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  The show itself, I would tend to agree that it is overly promotional, but the same could be said of the Oscars or Emmy ceremony (which are supported by ad breaks). That said, the awards themselves are ones selected by a large jury of industry members (akin to the voting members of the Academy for the Oscars), and what resulted from those awards is the focus here (as well as the focus in non-gaming sources covering it) Masem (t) 13:49, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Oscars and Emmy are awarded in film and music, which are performing arts and greatly impact everyday life. Video games have never reached that level of importance.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Video games have exceeded film in annual global revenues, and its estimated there will be 3 billion people playing video games in 2023. [25]. Video games are still "young" compared to film and music, but to claim they have no importance is severely missing the mark. Masem (t) 14:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  I don't deny that gaming is a rapidly growing industry, but its annual revenues don't make it more important than film or music. While video games such as Pac-Man, Super Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Grand Theft Auto and Pokémon Go have exerted significant cultural impact in different periods, it cannot be said for the industry as a whole, so it's better to wait and see how that trend progresses in a decade or two from now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Coffee is the world's most popular drink with about 400 billion cups drunk annually. So, should we promote awards like Roaster of the year? And then do beer and wine too? Or consider cars as there's about 1.5 billion cars in the world now. So, should we do Car of the Year too? No, the main reason that we have editors here lobbying for videogames is that they are videogamers, right? See WP:FAN, WP:COI and WP:NPOV. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  You might also see WP:AGF. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:33, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  If there's a better explanation then let's hear it. For comparison, consider the following annual awards which are also in the news this week:

1. Person of the Year
2. House of the Year
3. Designer of the Year
4. Model of the Year
5. Family car of the Year
6. Sports personality of the Year
7. Word of the Year
8. Album of the Year
9. Barista of the Year
10. School of the Year

Andrew🐉(talk) 14:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I suppose it's safe to assume you would also oppose hooks about the Oscars, Emmys, and Grammys? – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 15:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose mostly per Andrew. I don't get why these particular awards should be posted when there is a plethora of things with similar recognitions (maybe because we have a high-quality article?). And the fact that we posted it last year is not an argument for posting this year.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article is of sufficient quality and news sources have covered it to a sufficient level to demonstrate significance. --Jayron32 13:05, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support - It's true that there is a sufficient amount of news coverage and that the article has been updated. But I just don't know if it "feels" significant.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support - this is a serious event, and hard to say it's not on a parse with athletic sporting events. That said though, the winning game should not be bolded. It's the event that's in the news, and per sporting examples such as this "... the Los Angeles Rams defeat the Cincinnati Bengals in the Super Bowl ..."], we did not bold "Los Angeles Rams". Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  In cases like the Booker Prize, we do bold the winner if the article on that winner is up to snuff. Same with things like the Nobels. There's no reason the team articles in competition games can't be bolded, but those articles are usually of subpar quality. Masem (t) 14:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support clearly notable and biggest awards for gaming. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per precedent last year; Add Game Awards to Recurring. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Video games do not have the same cultural relevance as film or sport. I'm disregarding any arguments about the format of the event (whether it runs ads has zero relevance for notability) or any arguments based on the false notion that this event received more attention than the Academy Awards. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: the award is not significant and well-known enough to warrant ITN. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support We posted the Game Awards winner for 2020 and 2021, and the article is in good shape, so I don't see why we should draw the line at this year. I find most of the arguments against posting it unconvincing, and that some of them, such as "video games are not as important as film", reeks of misplaced elitism. And I say this as someone who is mostly uninterested in video games. Mount Patagonia (talk) 18:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Major award show for major industry, widely covered in RSes. I'm not seeing much reason why we would post the Emmys or Grammys and not this. Phediuk (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per Rhain and others. I also heavily dispute the argument that this event is not as notable as the Academy Awards, considering the 2021 Oscars received 16.6 million viewers according to Nielsen Media Research, while this event received 85 million livestreams in 2021. Although the former statistics may be conservative due to Nielsen Media primarily basing TV viewership on household estimates (And the latter possibly inflated because of unreliable streaming statistics) they appear to have audiences of relatively similar size. ‡ The Night Watch ω (talk) 20:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support a significant award in its industry, and has been covered in general RSes. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:25, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support The top recognitions of a 100-billion-plus dollar industry and its professional competitors.CoatCheck (talk) 04:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support If there is an Oscar or Emmy award for video games, it is the Game Awards, and a couple of the arguments seem to stem from video games being somehow inherently inferior to traditional media such as music or shows, of which I'd argue that video games have carved their slice in the pie of traditional media. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 05:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Oscar and Emmy (technically, they are also trade shows as they are held by associations) winners don't exactly get New York Times headlines, either. TGA definitely holds more attention nowadays, and it should go into ITN/R soon. Juxlos (talk) 05:20, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose The Game Awards were established only in 2014, while video games have been popular in the 1990s at least. I'm unconvinced this award is mature enough, achieving the same prestige as Oscars or a comparable distinction in other field. Brandmeister^talk 10:38, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  There are other awards that are 20+ yr, such as the BAFTA Games or the Game Developers Choice Awards, but with exception of the BAFTA, those do not normally get mainstream coverage, and I don't think, as a video game editor, I'd want to try to justify those. The BAFTA Games are important but they also tend to be specific to UK game production, whereas the Game Awards is international. It should also be pointed out that the Game Awards are effectively the spiritual successor to Spike Video Game Awards which were established in 2003 with the same head guy Geoff Keighley, and which he had to change when Spike opted to drop them. Masem (t) 13:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  I'd never heard of Spike and find that it was "The First Network for Men" – the TV equivalent of a lad mag. One can understand why it might appeal to the Wikipedia demographic which is predominantly male, right? But, alas, it has now been rebranded as Paramount which I've heard of but never watch. If I want some Top Gear style programming, I find there's plenty on other channels. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:48, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per BilledMammal and Andrew Davidson. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:53, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - industry award that isn't significant enough. I know that we could make the same argument about the Emmys and other awards, but we should be dialing back the number of recurring sports and award-related items, not expanding them. Neutrality^talk 18:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support We've posted this award in years past, and Elden Ring is listed as a good article. While I do share some skepticism of TGA, the video game industry is one of media's biggest and in my view should have once a year posting. Curbon7 (talk) 18:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Important award that deserves the main page. Would like to comment that this has been published on pt.wiki. Skyshifter ^talk 14:33, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Has gotten coverage from several RSes. As others have said, it's basically the Oscars/ Emmy's of video game awards. — Gestrid (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Posted previously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Кирилл С1 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I understand that Wikipedia does not operate by majority vote, but we're currently at 23 supports and 10 opposes after three days of debating this blurb. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Oscar666kta420swag (talk) 02:02, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. It's a difficult one, but I do believe that this has significant coverage to warrant a blurb. echidnaLives - talk - edits 03:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC).
• Posted Consensus has emerged in favor of posting this item. Spencer^T•C 07:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I find it a bit strange to post a picture of GRRM when he was mostly responsible for world building, and I would argue he is not largely responsible for the success of Elden Ring. Just putting up his picture because he is a famous person does not sit right with me.Chaosquo (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• I'm inclined to agree. He wasn't even at The Game Awards, either. I'd rather we switch it out for The Game Awards' logo or something like that. — Gestrid (talk) 15:19, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Thirding this. Kafoxe (talk) 16:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Post-posting support but please change the picture of GRRM to someone/something else as mentioned above. YD407OTZ (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting support per Masem's arguments for posting, but agree that GRRM seems odd when he wasn't even there. It's somewhat understandable when we don't have photos of other members of the Elden Ring team to use (a photo of Miyazaki would make the most sense but we don't have any), so I'd either use the logo of the awards show or the box art of the game or something.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Revert image Listen I like George as much as everyone else, but it was defintiely a bit of a rouge decision, as the relevance is very slim and it was not discussed. Just revert the image back to Griner. Curbon7 (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose GRRM image as giving undue weight to GRRM's involvement over FromSoftware themselves; I personally prefer using the game's boxart instead. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:58, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose GRRM image Awkward Western bias that is disingenuous to everyone else involved. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:30, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
• Pull This shouldn’t have been posted. As User:Andrew Davidson stated, this is basically a promotional trade show. There’s a certain bias which many of the supporting editors seem to have. This year’s awards were not covered by The NY Times, the American paper of record. This lack of attention suggests that these are not comparable to the Oscars or Grammys. Thriley (talk) 22:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  And where does it say only the "American paper of record" is accepted for ITN? Seems the certain bias is merely toward US-centric sources. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:BCF5:F4E1:D281:2A17 (talk) 23:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  It was covered by the Washington Post, LA Times, Variety, BBC, Toronto Star, and The Guardian — all of which are some pretty solid news sources. Why would we pull just because the NYT isn't on that already long list of sources?  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:31, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  For the record, it actually was covered by the New York Times last year, and it's linked on last year's ITN nomination. Seems they just chose not to this year, which doesn't really matter for our purposes since it's covered by several other WP:RSes. — Gestrid (talk) 04:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  I think it says a lot that they didn’t cover it this year. Would they decide to cover the Oscars one year and not the next? Thriley (talk) 05:47, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  I don't really think it says that much. As evidenced by this very ITN nomination, a lot of people still think of video games as being niche or an unimportant passtime compared to movies or TV shows despite how big the video game industry has become. Besides, as I said, whether the New York Times specifically covered this year's show doesn't really matter. What matters is if it was covered by any WP:RSes, and it was covered by quite a few of them. — Gestrid (talk) 06:10, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• At least take the photo down, either Griner or the would be King of Germany are far more important stories to merit a photo on the mainpage. nableezy - 05:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Indeed. The picture is outrageous. The caption asserts that Martin wrote the game but, so far as I can tell:

1. He just provided some world-building (and here's what happened to it)
2. He didn't write the story
3. He didn't write the code
4. He didn't win an award
5. He didn't appear in the show
6. He isn't mentioned in the bold article

See also photobombing. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Image swapped. I suggest further discussion take place at WP:ERRORS as more people will probably see the discussion there, than in a header prefixed with "(Posted)". Anarchyte (talk) 09:36, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

But they won't be able to find it again because WP:ERRORS doesn't maintain an archive of discussions. We need a good record of this debacle for the next time the hypefest is suggested for ITN/R again. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:58, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

As the image poster, I wouldn't have been semi-WP:BOLD if he wasn't already mentioned in Elden Ring's lead, as well as in some of the award's coverage. In hindsight, it was too much of a stretch in this case to have the image from the topmost blurb (WP:ITNPICT). —Bagumba (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: "In video games" should be trimmed, it's redundant. RAN1 (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  Perhaps there was concern that one might incorrectly think board games? An alternative could be In video games,Video game Elden Ring wins Game of the Year..., unless one is worried that it reads as if a video game won a general game award.—Bagumba (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

  One time I forgot what one award was so I clicked a link to remind myself. I don't think that's an issue since linking those articles is kind of the point. RAN1 (talk) 11:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Brittney Griner and Merchant of Death exchange

Articles: Viktor Bout (talk · history · tag) and Brittney Griner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After being arrested in Russia for carrying cannabis oil, professional US basketball player Brittney Griner is released in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American basketball player Brittney Griner is released from Russian custody in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.
Alternative blurb II: ​ American basketball player Brittney Griner and Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout are freed via a prisoner exchange.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63905112
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major prisoner exchange, in the news. Griner is one of the biggest players in women's basketball, and Viktor Bout is infamous as the Merchant of Death, and even inspired the film 'Lord of War'. Will probably need work on the articles, right now just a few paragraphs on either one. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

@PrecariousWorlds, Jayron32, WaltCip, Curbon7, and Masem: Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange has now been created. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:22, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support Both articles are in good shape, story is being covered by major news sources. Checks every box. --Jayron32 19:55, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per Jayron32. Not going to let this one get SNOWed out, as it's absolutely newsworthy. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 20:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  SNOWed? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment We don't need sensationalist nicknames like "Merchant of Death" in the blurb. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  It's the name that he's commonly referred to as, so I thought it was notable enough for inclusion PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  Just "arms dealer" is sufficient. We need to keep the blurbs neutrally worded. Masem (t) 20:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  Agreed, I'll remove it from the blurb. Thanks for bringing this up PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:53, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Blurb too intricate. Streamlining needed. Curbon7 (talk) 20:56, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  Support ALT2 As the most clear-cut. Curbon7 (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support in general, but I would just say "US basketball player Brittney Griner is released from Russian custody in a prisoner exchange with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout". BD2412 T 20:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  I think why she was arrested is valuable information PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  People can read the details in her article. The exchange would be notable no matter what crime she had been convicted of. BD2412 T 21:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Should the deal be a separate article? As there is also discussion related to Whelan's non-release. --Masem (t) 21:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Per all the supports above. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 ☎️ 📄 21:25, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Previous blurb ideas have ignored the fact that they were both "released". I'd propose "American basketball player Brittney Griner and Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout are freed via a prisoner exchange." -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support, but only if we include what they were each convicted for, and we place the emphasis on Bout as the more significant release, rather than the current emphasis on Griner. BilledMammal (talk) 22:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  There's no space or reason to include their convictions. We know that the punishment that Griner got was far worse than the crime, but when you include them, it clearly implicates the non-neutrality of their inclusion. Masem (t) 22:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  I would tend to disagree that Bout is the more significant release, after sitting in various prisons for 14 years. BD2412 T 22:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose The nomination does not list a specific article for this event and it's such a bizarre deal that we seem to need a good explanation. As I understand it, there are about a million people in jail in the US for cannabis offences and yet a special deal is done with Putin for this particular user!? And this involves letting go a major criminal known as the "Lord of Death". Is truth just stranger than fiction or is there more to this than it seems!? Anyway, as we are not a celebrity news ticker, we need an encyclopedic article to justify an entry here. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson: Good point. Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange created. BD2412 T 23:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  That was quick. But the article says nothing of Prince Mohammed bin Salman who, according to the BBC, is claiming the credit for brokering the deal, which took place in Abu Dhabi, just like a spy movie. The White House and Saudis don't seem to agree on the facts of the matter. Is the deal actually written down somewhere, like a treaty? It's a shame John Prados is dead (see below) as we need someone like him to ferret out the details. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:40, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson: If you have sources handy for adding the Prince's claims, please feel free to do so. BD2412 T 23:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  The BBC report is the one news source listed in the nomination. It says, "According to a joint Saudi-UAE statement, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman played a leading role in mediation efforts, along with UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan. ... But the White House denied any mediation had been involved. "The only countries that negotiated this deal were the United States and Russia,"" So who do we believe and why? Andrew🐉(talk) 23:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

  We have run lots of news stories where the subject (the two individuals here) rather than the "story itself" are the bold link. Like when we bold link the winners of awards when the award is ITN/R. That cannot be a serious reason to oppose. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  If there's an ITN/R contest such as the Boat Race or Nobel Prize then naturally we will highlight the winners. But there is usually a central article and it's that which is ITN/R. This story is not like that. There are lots of news stories involving pairs of celebrities –- Harry and Meghan are all over the popular media currently. Per WP:NOTNEWS, we require something more. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:44, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Well covered, but likely lacking any long-term impact. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:16, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Not all that big of a deal in the ordinary affairs of state. Might be notable enough for an article, but not for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:19, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Major news covered in variety of sources -- as sources noted, the exchange is somewhat unprecedented in the imbalance of what they were each held for, which adds to notability. Articles are both detailed and up to Manual of Style standards. -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew and others. not really “major news” enough for ITN and w/ very international coverage. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Is this an EC covered topic or not, may i comment or can it be removed on a whim? Seems somewhat adjacent to a certain topic area that shall not be named but not quite? What is the deal here? 91.96.166.33 (talk) 23:59, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per various above, including Rauisuchian. I think keeping the blurb simple is best, prefer alt2 at the moment. Kingsif (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per reasons above. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support ALT1 or ALT2 (but linking Viktor Bout–Brittney Griner prisoner exchange). This has been a major story of the non-localized aspects of the Russo-Ukrainian War, and will likely go down as one of the most prominent prisoner exchanges in American history. As always, moral outrage over a hook's context should play no role in deciding whether the hook is posted. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 02:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support Major event. I'm curious how this vote would have looked like if we were in the 1960-s and were discussing the Powers-Abel swap. I bet plenty of people would have voted against posting that as well lol lmao. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 08:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  The most recent case of this sort was Release of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and we didn't run it. The Death of Harry Dunn is also prominent in the news currently because the US spy, Anne Sacoolas, was sentenced yesterday. But she was careful not to come to the UK for the trial, for fear that she would be locked up. Agencies like the CIA and FSB like to protect their staff and they are able to make special deals for them. So it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  I often like imagining what ITN would've looked like if it was around in the past. We probably would've blurbed Powers-Abel, and this is arguably just as notable PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Powers and Abel were separately notable but the swap was the only connection between them and we don't seem to have an article about it. That swap also involved Frederic Pryor and so such hostages seem to be fungible assets -- pawns of the players of the Great Game. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:50, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  I remember noting in WP:HOWITNWORKS that the Watergate burglary would never have been covered on ITN/C, because at the time, its significance was totally underplayed. I imagine that a lot of ITN contributors at the time would have pointed to the White House press release calling it a "third-rate burglary". 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:51, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah, that probably would've been the case haha PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: prisoner exchanges are fairly routine events in international diplomacy. --K.e.coffman (talk) 09:48, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  How many prisoner exchanges between nuclear-armed powers have occurred in the last 20 years? A handful. I would not describe that as "fairly routine." Neutrality^talk 05:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

  We cover international diplomacy. We don't have an arbitrary nuclear armament criteria to determine nations as newsworthy. 85.240.221.153 (talk) 21:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

  The international diplomacy between the P5 (or P5+1, if you prefer) is more significant than diplomacy among non-P5 members. And international events involving one or more G20 members are usually more noteworthy, or newsworthy, than other international events. That's just the reality of the matter. Neutrality^talk 00:38, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: Very interesting story, and certainly worth an article, but I don't see how this is ITN worthy. DecafPotato (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

  If it does get posted though, I much prefer ALT2, though the exchange itself should be bolded. DecafPotato (talk) 17:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support original blurb with Griner, Bout, and prisoner exchange being WikiLinked. Major politicall/diplomatic prisoner swap; and its certainly a story of magnitude within the scope of ITN. DrewieStewie (talk) 17:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per DrewieStewie. Considering the state of US-Russia relations at the moment, this is a major prisoner swap, and as mentioned by DrewieStewie, the story is notable for ITN. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support per reasons stated by DrewieStewie, but preferably with the prisoner exchange article being the one in bold as mentioned by Tamzin. Was initially leaning on oppose but this has become a major news event, and is also quite noteworthy given the current circumstances. The proposed target articles (Griner, Bout, and the prisoner exchange article itself) are also in good shape and well-sourced. Vida0007 (talk) 19:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support alt 2. Major story, articles look in good shape. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:46, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support - major international event, fairly rare, articles in OK shape. Neutrality^talk 05:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:44, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support as per above, support Alt. Blurb 2 Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Well-developed standalone article that explains the international importance of the event. Spencer^T•C 05:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
• Post-post oppose: The practice is practically a tradition. RAN1 (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

  Perhaps, but you could say the same about the Super Bowl, for which we still post the results every time one happens. BD2412 T 21:43, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not enthusiastic about posting prisoner exchanges for people who find work in Russia under Putin. RAN1 (talk) 12:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  You know, RAN1, you don't make the news coverage of the story go away because you wish the news hadn't covered it. Reliable source evidence that this was a major event exists. --Jayron32 17:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  That's not what I said. This was very closely related to the war, and I don't think that fact merited an item. RAN1 (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

  Because it was related to the war, it probably did get a lot of news coverage, yes. One of the criteria we use to determine whether to post items is their news coverage. We can't and don't hide from that. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Celine Dion diagnosed with Stiff-person syndrome

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Article: Celine Dion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Celine Dion has been diagnosed with Stiff-person syndrome (Post)
News source(s): Instagram
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Count Iblis (talk) 12:21, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - We've gone through similar stuff in the past, and the article contains only one sentence about this. Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:23, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose Not the purpose of ITN. Curbon7 (talk) 12:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Strong oppose. Lots of notable people get diagnosed with diseases all the time. ITN is not a celebrity news ticker. Modest Genius ^talk 12:33, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Posting on MainPage negative news about a living person with no impact on the rest of the world? Please don't. --PFHLai (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is arguably someone's private medical information. It's scarcely our business at all, much less front-page news. And practically speaking, we have a very full Recent Deaths feed. Even if it was in any way desirable to post celebrities' diagnoses, the flood of them would be overwhelming. We're certainly not doing it as blurbs. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:41, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
• I don't expect a diagnosis of an illness would ever be ITN material, unless perhaps the entire act of diagnosing the illness was itself notable. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:45, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Per above. We aren't a celebrity news outlet, and this is someone's private medical inofrmation, as Genevieve pointed out. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose This is not being covered outside of celebrity news., if at all. The only source provided by the nom is an instagram post. Which is to say, there is no evidence that reliable sources consider this significant enough for us to post it. --Jayron32 13:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

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First official execution connected to Mahsa Amini protests

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Article: Execution of Mohsen Shekari (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iranian officials execute Mohsen Shekari, carrying out their first official execution related to the ongoing Mahsa Amini protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mohsen Shekari is executed in Iran for the crime of injuring a member of the Basij militia and "waging war against God" during the Mahsa Amini protests.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Iran carries out their first official execution of a person directly involved in the Mahsa Amini protests.
News source(s): BBC News, CNN, The New York Times, The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Afddiary (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Women-life-liberty-revolution (talk · give credit) and Keivan.f (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Human rights groups have warned that Mohsen Shekari's execution will be the first of many; there are currently 12 people in Iran who could be executed imminently for their involvement in the Mahsa Amini protests, with at least 21 people facing potential death sentences, almost all for crimes similar to those Shekari was convicted of committing. The execution of Mohsen Shekari feels historically relevant for that reason, as well as the fact that it has generated significant controversy from at least seven prominent international officials (mostly from Europe), several human rights groups (including Amnesty International), and many Iranian citizens, including at least five Iranian celebrities. One commentator warned that Shekari's execution demonstrated that the Iranian government was at "the apogee of its toleration" and will start cracking down on protesters imminently. Afddiary (talk) 04:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Support. No sourcing issues, and article is also well-written. Vida0007 (talk) 12:08, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - Good faith nomination, but I think this is already covered in ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:50, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose already covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, good faith nomination but covered in ongoing.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support – A high-quality article can quickly convince me to support an article for ITN, though the fact that this is also covered in Mahsa Amini protests makes me unsure. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
• Support. This is a significant development and the article quality is high enough. The fact that executions are occurring is not covered in ongoing. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Both men that have been executed had injured members of the police. While we can argue the punishment was overly harsh, this seems to be in line with how Iran deals with criminals, and readily falls under the ongoing coverage. --Masem (t) 18:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

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