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José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama
Blurb: José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama. (Post)
Alternative blurb: José Raúl Mulino is sworn in as President of Panama.
Alternative blurb II: After winning the Panamanian general election, José Raúl Mulino becomes President of Panama.
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 190.219.24.14 (talk · give credit) and 219.77.28.65 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
--Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 21:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is just the swearing-in. The election was two months ago; we discussed it, but didn't manage to get it posted. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon, thats why I nominated. 2024 Panamanian general election was not posted. Doesn't this meet the WP:ITN/R qualification of:
Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government... except when that change was already posted as part of a general election
? Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)- You're both right. This is just as recurrent as the election item and just as subject to not getting posted after a discussion. It all depends who discusses what and how from here out. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:06, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @GenevieveDEon, thats why I nominated. 2024 Panamanian general election was not posted. Doesn't this meet the WP:ITN/R qualification of:
- Support given that we didn't post the election This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Hurricane Beryl
Blurb: Hurricane Beryl makes landfall in Grenada, causing extensive damage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Beryl, the earliest recorded Category 4 in the Atlantic Ocean, makes landfall in Grenada.
News source(s): CNN NBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
Category 4 hurricane which is still active. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I thought about nominating this article. One notable aspect about this hurricane is that it is the earliest Category 4 on record in the Atlantic Ocean. If this gets posted, this information might be worth mentioning in the blurb. I have proposed an alt (which might need some tweaks). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 21:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose. Full impacts aren't known yet, however the article body does not yet substantiate the "extensive damage" claim at the moment. The record, while interesting, is very much trivia, and a record for being category 4 is obscure. Cat 5 maybe we can talk, but not a category 4 record. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for the hurricane's impact to see the full extent of the damage. The hurricane is ongoing. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:40, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until we know more about the human impact of the storm. It's early in the season, and both this storm and other storms may yet cause more damage. As it stands, I'd oppose, but I don't want to pre-empt things as the situation develops. GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait For the most part, breaking specific intensity records don't warrant inclusion here. It might merit inclusion depending on impacts/ TornadoLGS (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait: Per others. At time of writing this, further land impacts are likely to occur in the coming week per the NHC forecast and model guidance. The full extent of this storm's impact has yet to be seen. Comment: Additionally, Beryl has recently attained category 5 intensity, breaking Hurricane Emily's record for earliest cat 5 storm in basin, though it is not expected to impact any land as a cat 5 storm. ArkHyena (talk) 07:41, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Ismail Kadare
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Albanian novelist Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies in Tirana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Albanian writer Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies at the age of 88.
Alternative blurb II: Albanian writer Ismail Kadare (pictured) dies in Tirana at the age of 88.
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
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Internationally renowned Albanian novelist. gobonobo + c 09:15, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb A true literary giant with famous and influential works translated into many languages.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb truly a transformative figure and one of the greatest writer of our time and thank god, it has an legacy section that helps understand his impact. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Can’t say I’m familiar with him, but the legacy section defines his elevated significance quite well, and we did blurb Milan Kundera not that long ago. The Kip (contribs) 15:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Blurb on notability Murnane, Munro, McCarthy, Byatt, Oe, Auster, Amis, Kundera, Barth ... Out of all the notable literary deaths of the past two years, Kadare was one of the greatest. There's a bibliography, so you know what that means. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- So many passing recently, you’re right. I could argue (unsuccessfully of course) that all those you mentioned, except for A. S. Byatt and Martin Amis, should’ve gotten blurbs. Along with Louise Glück, who died last year and should‘ve gotten a blurb. Gerald Murnane (who you mentioned) is still alive I think, but I think he may deserve a blurb, too. I haven’t read anything by him yet. I think only Kundera got a blurb. And Paul Auster didn’t even get his RD posted, though it was ready to go on the last day of the deadline. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 04:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb after fixing quality issues this is exactly what we should expect for a blurb able RD, an extensive discussion in the article about how they are a great figure. And this is a person I have not heard of but the type of person we should be highlighting at RD. Obviously there's an orange tag and a few smaller quality problems to be fixed before posting. Masem (t) 17:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Major, transformative literary figure. Khuft (talk) 19:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I tried to address the outstanding CN tags in the article. Sourced or put an ISBN for the English translations, but I do not have the time to source the complete works in Albanian. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 20:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies One sentence update about a Tirana hospital, years of ill health and reaching 88. Mundane obituary stuff. Big deal in the literary life, sure, but his death doesn't affect that in any way
whatsoeverworth adding to his Career section. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)- 'Old Man Dies' is an obnoxious response to proposed stories of this kind. You're saying more about yourself than about the news by your repeated use of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Old Man Dies is simply shorthand for the repeatedly shot-down sorts of obituaries that keep popping up around here, as if they're legitimate media events. There's no state funeral, no plausible sidebar potential and generally no reason to stay posted for a week or more alongside earthquakes, sporting celebrations and scientific breakthroughs. Especially where dozens of other notable recent dead cycle along underneath in the meanwhile, for doing the exact same thing. If you want to try and psychoanalyze an author of my depths from a mere quip, "be my guest", but you're going to get a lot wrong. I suppose I should say I was wrong about an RD not affecting literary life, because several non-readers here seem to suddenly think Kadare's someone worth thinking about reading. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- 'Old Man Dies' is an obnoxious response to proposed stories of this kind. You're saying more about yourself than about the news by your repeated use of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Influential in his field (kinda think Munro should’ve been blurbed too but oh well). Article could be updated a bit better to reflect his death / reactions. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support Blurb - I'm not an expert, but the article seems to support well, with citations, the proposition that he was a genuinely outstanding figure in the literary world. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb Don't know about this guy (maybe I should?) but apparently he was "one of the greatest writers and intellectuals of the 20th and 21st centuries." I guess that's pretty solid. Bremps... 23:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Surprised to learn that he was the author of The Ghost Rider, which, of course was later made into a major motion picture starring Nicolas Cage. Hyperbolick (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I don’t believe that’s correct. The movie is based on the comic book by that name, which was inspired by the song “Riders In The Sky (song) that Johnny Cash made famous. You know the one: “yippee i-oh, yippee i-yay, ghost riders in the sky” — Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb – I agree that this article is very impressive. Very well-written, inclusive, and clearly establishing that Kadare is a great story-teller deserving of his acclaim and international readership. I had not even an inkling about any of this until just now, after I read the Wikipedia article which is close to being ready to be posted as an RD. A few minor issues such as the ISBN’s that Classicwiki mentioned already. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb old man dies. Manner of death not notable. Not a serving political head. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) New Indian Criminal Code comes into effect
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Blurb: New Criminal Code Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita (BNS) comes into effect from 1 July 2024 to replace the Indian Penal Code (IPC), which dated back to the period of British India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Three criminal laws namely Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita (BNS), Bharatiya Nagarik Suraksha Sanhita (BNSS), and Bharatiya Sakshya Adhiniyam (BSA) comes into effect replacing Indian Penal Code (IPC), Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), and Indian Evidence Act (IEA), respectively.
News source(s): The Hindu ndtv.com The Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Redmyname31 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose I wondered what "Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita" meant as I don't speak Hindi. The nominated article doesn't tell me so I have to go to Google Translate to find that it means "Indian Judicial Code". My impression is that this is much the same as before with the usual offences of theft, murder, etc. It's just that everything has been rewritten in Hindi rather than English, right? But this is the English language Wikipedia and so the topic is more suitable for हिन्दी विकिपीडिया. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am an Indian and I would say that this is not something worth mentioning in the ITN. Almost all the rules and laws are same expect for few notable exceptions. This is not something that is changing India drastically. Also, picture of the constitution has got nothing to do with it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article does not make it seem like much has changed through the new code. It does have a criticism section, but the criticism about new changes the code has seems to be limited to ambiguous phrases it introduces. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. Totally irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. The Kip (contribs) 15:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Sam Mostyn as new Governor-General of Australia
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Blurb: Businesswoman Sam Mostyn (pictured) succeeds David Hurley as Governor-General of Australia. (Post)
News source(s): news.com.au ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nford24 (talk · give credit) and Abraham, B.S. (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Governor-Generals are just ceremonial roles. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Non-oppose but I will note that we didn't post previous changes of viceroy/reine in Commonwealth realms This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. Kind of a ceremonial stand in for the head of state. The prime minister holds the power and technically King Charles III is the head of state. So I'm not seeing any real significance here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The governor-general is mainly a ceremonial role, as mentioned by Ad Orientem --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in great shape. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the reasons above, mainly ceremonial and they have not been posted previously. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the governor-general is mostly a ceremonial role. As the lead of the article says: "In almost all instances the governor-general only exercises de jure power..." Gödel2200 (talk) 14:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) United States President granted criminal immunity
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Blurb: The United States Supreme Court grants the President of the United States full immunity for official actions taken in Trump v. United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Trump v. United States, the United States Supreme Court rules that former presidents are immune from criminal prosecutions of official acts.
News source(s): Supreme Court CBS News The Hill
Credits:
- Nominated by lunsel (talk · give credit)
- Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit) and DanzST (talk · give credit)
- Oppose — This is a standard and expected ruling that has no personal significance to the country, unlike Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Totally irrelevant for ITN. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not suitable for the ITN and the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because it's an ongoing event as part of a larger legal process (Trump indictments) and wasn't a conviction or acquittal like the New York trial. It's not suitable for ITN. JohnAdams1800TALK 15:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support because of the immense significance of this decision. ITN has had an anti-US bias that prevents most posters on here from recognizing the obvious importance of extremely significant news stories for far too long, and the opposition expressed above to one of the most noteworthy Supreme Court decisions in the lifetime of anyone reading this is an exceptionally good illustration of that. IntoThinAir (talk) 16:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both the topic and the blurb. The decision is more nuanced than described in the blurb. And ElijahPepe is correct that this is not a "major upset" (to use sports jargon). EvergreenFir (talk) 16:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose since this goes back to lower courts to rule what actions are or aren't immune now, which most pundits I've seen will still leave some of the table. If anything, the three decisions to nuke the administrative state (Jarsky, Loper Bright, and corner Post) are actually far more impactful but even then not ITN worthy material. Masem (t) 17:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Hugh Aldons
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sunday Observer
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- Nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sammyrice (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sammyrice (talk · give credit), Abishe (talk · give credit) and Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Sri Lankan sportsman who has played field hockey. rugby union and cricket for Sri Lanka. Abishe (talk) 02:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Although it is sourced, the article is way too short at the moment and needs expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 04:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support IMO meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per PoP but an infobox would be nice. Bremps... 23:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nadim Mostafa
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Financial Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Vinegarymass911 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bangladeshi BNP politician. Exact DOB needs to be nailed down. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the article seems to rely heavily on just one news website, needs other sources than that site. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: R. Sampanthan
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms; and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb II: Sri Lankan Politician R. Sampanthan (pictured) whose been in the Parliament for 6 terms with 5 consecutive terms (1977, 2001, 2004, 2010, 2015, 2020); and as the opposition leader for a term had passed away.
Alternative blurb III: Former Sri Lankan opposition leader R. Sampanthan dies at 91.
News source(s): The Hindu, BBC, Newswire
Credits:
- Nominated by Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Obi2canibe (talk · give credit) and Gotitbro (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Sri Lankan politician. Been in the parliament for 6 terms, and as opposition leader for 1 term. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:21, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb is a bit much for a Leader of the Opposition. Bremps... 02:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- He is one of the most important political figures in the country. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well, was. So far, his article doesn't seem to reflect that he was a supposedly transformative figure, but it might just be due to omissions. Bremps... 03:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- He is one of the most important political figures in the country. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:53, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, leading the opposition in parliament for a term isn't really blurb-worthy. If a blurb has to be chosen, altblurb 3 is the most concise and fluff-free. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 03:03, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Nowhere close to the expected type of coverage/content to describe being a "great figure" in Sri Lanka politics. Perhaps important being the opposition leader, but that doesn't equate to "great". --Masem (t) 03:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD The prose and citations are there for an RD mention; the very few uncited statements are not controversial. A blurb is obviously not going to happen and is not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 08:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD article is good enough to be posted in the RD, but being an leader of opposition is not a blurb worthy position. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - I don't think we'd generally consider a blurb for a politician who had never actually led a nation or government from any country. I wouldn't, at least. Politics is an important field, as I often say, but this isn't being at the top of it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb is out of the question but support RD. Let's focus on article quality from here on out. Bremps... 03:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb With all due respect, subject simply does not reach the significance for a death blurb. Article looks good for RD, though. The Kip (contribs) 03:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government. Manner of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Borno State bombings
Blurb: At least 30 people were killed and over 100 injured in suicide bombings in Borno State, Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times Vanguard
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Article will need work. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:13, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article needs serious work before being front page ready This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality death toll is quite high but article as of now has only 6 sources and is 276 words long. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The article doesn't mention what group (if any) the attackers were a part of, and it is currently too barebones to be posted to the main page. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Who, what, where, when, why and how? What, where, when and how are answered, leaving who and why (though we have a pretty good guess). Ping me if both are answered, if so, I'll support this being posted as this is a major attack. Bremps... 02:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Pål Enger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRK, Dagbladet
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oceanh (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Norwegian footballer and art thief (stole the The Scream!). Will not be posted in current state, needs lots of citations if anyone wants to tackle. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nominator said it is not in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Princess Lalla Latifa Amahzoune
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): APA News
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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princess widow of King Hassan II, mother of the current King of Morocco Mohammed VI. Article is short (she had a very discreet role and it seems that little is known about her), but almost ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - What is that lead image, it looks like some found footage creepy pasta. More recent and quality image would be better PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but there is no better photo available. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- The copyright information may be inaccurate. Bremps... 18:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- This website gives a better picture, though I am not sure what the copyright situation of it is. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Mostly Support I don't have a problem with a creepy video still for an obscure quasiroyal figure, given the state of VHS recording even in Denmark at the time, but a section called Biography within a biography makes me strangely uneasy. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is okay enough to be posted, but photo is actually weird but the photo on her husband's page is even more weirder, PrinceofPunjabTALK 13:55, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not ready for the front page. I tried following note 1, and it appears to be an OR justification of some of the terminology used elsewhere in that paragraph. GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup final
Blurb: In cricket, India win the T20 World Cup by defeating South Africa in the final (player of the final Virat Kohli pictured). (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by 14.139.34.101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MNWiki845 (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and WikiEditPS (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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14.139.34.101 (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The article is good, well written and has all the details. Must be on the ITN. AnalyserOP (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. ITNR. Article looks good. Good to go to mainpage. Ktin (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article seems well-cited (I spotted two CN tags, but they were for "self-evident" items that don't need an explicit single source) And there seems to be sufficient prose for each section. Overall rather well-done; good to see that much attention quickly: the number one cause of ITN/R sports stories going unposted is usually because the article remains a mess of tables with no cited prose. Good job on the editors to get this past that. Nottheking (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural support rules require it. Sports. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support prose looks good. The Kip (contribs) 03:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The page is of sufficient quality to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:18, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape but I suggest we should picture player of the series (in this case Jasprit Bumrah) rather than player of the match. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Licensing info for the image on the page for the cup is a bit fishy. Bremps... 05:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The article has been further expanded and all the cn tags have been replaced with references. --Abishe (talk) 10:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support As per the comments above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E2:102C:CDD8:2D34:E8FC:93F8:5F9F (talk) 13:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Admin Attention Needed. Tagging @Admins willing to post ITN: , this has been ready for posting for some time now. Please can you help take a look and post. Ktin (talk) 14:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:40, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Mohamed Osman Jawari
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Garowe Online
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 86.123.228.69 (talk · give credit)
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Speaker of the Federal Parliament of Somalia and briefly acting President of Somalia --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Well sourced, looks good. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good. Marking ready. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Please post, @Admins willing to post ITN: Bremps... 18:42, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot get to source #3, which is extensively used throughout the article. Could someone who can get to that source please archive it (e.g. to the Wayback Machine)? In addition, the date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede66 19:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Does this source look good enough for a date of birth? Bremps... 03:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66, I have fixed the archived link and provided a source for the DOB. Please let me know if there are any more concerns. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 03:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Orlando Cepeda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo! Sports
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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Natg 19 (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Death is reliably sourced. Article is reasonably complete and well-referenced, with no major issues apparent, tagged, or mentioned on the talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready, I CN tagged some the areas needing an inline citation -- usually when there was not a source after a couple of sentences. I do not doubt they are the same citations used elsewhere in the same section, but lots of factual claims being made without an inline follow up. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 05:11, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose several cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 Mongolian parliamentary election
Blurb: The ruling MPP party secures a slim majority in the 2024 Mongolian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), Enkhsaihan2005 (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article has a few outstanding tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 20:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support article could use some improvement but is good enough for now. Proposed altblurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article should be of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose due to a whole paragraph of unsourced information in the background section. Also, the lead of the article only states the preliminary results, so we may want to wait until the final results come out. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support unless it's been changed by now, but I don't see an unsourced background section paragraph, the article looks good. Scu ba (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see it now, looks like it was initially added in the .ru version which was then copied and translated to the .en version 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC) Scu ba (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Scu ba, see the end of the first and second paragraphs of the background section. The second paragraph is the one with no sources. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are two orange tags that needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Martin Mull
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Variety, Associated Press, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Most of the Acting section is unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Support when article is ready. RIP. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, striking support (pls ping me if situation changes). Article is overrun by stingy fan editing. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Multiple paragraphs with zero footnotes. Filmography and Discography sections are largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose several paragraphs without footnotes. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:34, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Landry Nguémo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, L'Équipe, Goal.com, The Scotsman
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- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Harrywinner (talk · give credit), Kelisi (talk · give credit), CAWylie (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Former footballer who represented Cameroon at senior international level, and played for Nancy, Celtic and Bordeaux, among other clubs. Unfortunately, the article is still in poor shape, and might use some more citations, but it's definitely nothing "unfixable". Oltrepier (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding amount of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Added cn tags. Early career and time at Nancy is very undercited. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Kinky Friedman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Texas Tribune, Rolling Stone
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- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
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American musician, satirist, and politician. Has orange banner, needs some more sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose discography and Writing career sections are almost entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose overreliance on one and two sentence paragraphs. Also what PrinceofPunjab said. Bremps... 06:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Sergei Berezin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Sun, CBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Exp691 (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
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Russian professional ice hockey player. Pretty good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks alright to me and before anyone say that Career statistics section is unsourced, the source is in the external link section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- The infobox and stats table indicate that the subject represented his country on multiple occasions, but the prose lack materials on his international career. This gap in coverage needs to be filled. --PFHLai (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Jackie Clarkson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOLA
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Benn257 (talk · give credit)
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American politician: Louisiana House of Representatives and New Orleans City Council. Could do with a few more citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 16:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Wait some paragraphs end without any footnotes.PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:54, 28 June 2024 (UTC)- @PrinceofPunjab, take a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:47, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @PrinceofPunjab, take a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 06:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. --Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Political section is mostly election results as well as 2 sentences about an emails controversy; what else did Clarkson achieve or advocate for while in elected positions? SpencerT•C 04:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Bolivian coup attempt
Blurb: In Bolivia, an army under the command of Juan José Zúñiga storms the presidential palace in an attempted coup. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg , BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Fresh news story, Bolivia appears to have underwent a coup attempt from a local General. — Knightoftheswords 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Zúñiga's article is still a one-sentence stub for now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The article is already a little bit longer now, although it can still very much be improved. Given the importance and recency of the situation, it should be okay for posting. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, I wonder where this one goes. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - it has a dozenWP:RS citations now. It's still a work in progress, but it's only a matter of time before this gets to the front page. A short amount of time, if you ask me. Kire1975 (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, notable and the article seems good Personisinsterest (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, if leaning towards wait. The big question for that is the disposition/fate of Luis Arce, which so far no news seems to have reported. (e.g, was he not there? Did he escape? Did the coup capture him?) I suspect that we'll get an answer on that within a few hours anyway. As long as the articles remain as decently-cited as they are now, it should be good to post. Nottheking (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is a classic WAIT. If sucessful, then yes to posting. If it all fizzles out in a few hours with no or minimal loss of lives and the arrest of the soliders etc., then that's not something we normally (or should) post. -- KTC (talk) 22:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should post it in any case, the event already gained traction. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Let's see if something worth a blurb is actually happening. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, but Wait to see if it is successful per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Military coups are not common in Europe. In South America the record is somewhat different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Troops have pulled out, so it likely failed, but it is still a notable event. If this happened in a similarly-sized country in Europe, it would absolutely have been posted. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- The long term historical record may be, but since the CIA stopped doing that sort of thing, they are rare in South America now too. HiLo48 (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- support on notability coups a rare thing nowadays Kasperquickly (talk) 00:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not really. Bremps... 19:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not to bludgeon my point, but there were two coups in 2022, one foiled plot in 2023, another foiled one in 2024, and another brewing on the horizon in Burkina Faso alone. Not to mention Niger, Tunisia, Chad, etc. There's a coup epidemic. Bremps... 21:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong continent. HiLo48 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Kasperquickly should have specified that they meant only South American coups, then. They spoke about coups generally. Bremps... 07:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong continent. HiLo48 (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. There's enough unqualified support here for a consensus and quality seems OK now. Only the coup article bolded though, not the BLP per usual convention. — Amakuru (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ongoing development. Add to blurb if confirmed, please. Bremps... 04:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bakhyt Kenjeev
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza
Credits:
- Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)
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A renowned Kazakh-born Russian poet, a founding member of the "Moscow Time" group of Soviet underground poets. Recipient of several notable Russian literary prizes, said to have been nominated for the Nobel prize.
- Not Ready. Stubby, the usual problem, and several tags needs to be resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready Works section needs more souces. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready same issue still lingers. Bremps... 02:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) ICC issues arrest warrants for Russia's Shoigu and Gerasimov
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Blurb: The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the Russian army chief and former defense minister for war crimes in Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, VOA, NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Oppose - total of one sentence in the entire bolded article referencing the news item. Not to get WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a symbolic move that likely will not have many consequences, similar to Putin's arrest warrant (other than restricting travel). In particular, the NYT article states, "That makes it highly unlikely that Mr. Shoigu and General Gerasimov will be taken into custody in the foreseeable future". Also covered by the Ongoing section; could be considered part of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Finally, another article for the arrest warrants does not yet exist (as exists at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova), and including that article in the blurb, or at least mentioning the subjects of the warrants, would be more appropriate. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The last time ITN was fooled into posting something like this, the most significant consequence was Main Page readers having to look at Putin smiling at them for an unreasonably (and perhaps uncomfortably) long time; I don't know what these guys look like, but I'm pretty anyone smiling in an official portrait is the entirely wrong look for this harmless-yet-ill-intended sort of news. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin was one thing as a sitting head of state, this is comparatively far less important. The Kip (contribs) 06:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Putin story was notable as it was the head of the state but Army chief is not that notable. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - As PrinceOfPunjab says, Putin was worth posting as head of state, but this is a subsidiary matter and not suitable for ITN. It very much falls under Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 NEET controversy
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Blurb: Outrage and protests erupt in India regarding irregularities surrounding the results of the National Eligibility-cum-Entrance Test (NEET) (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
- Oppose nothing in the article explains why it should be feature on the main page. LiamKorda 04:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not sure if this really reaches the notability standard for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 06:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It is not something significant enough to be featured in the ITN. Close it under WP:SNOW. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support At this time of year, the lives of millions of students and their families around the world are dominated by such high-stakes examinations. This is clearly more significant than local sporting events, say, and so it's good to run a relevant item. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning Support, but the blurb could be clearer, and should target the correct article. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh what a mess. I think the main difficulty here is that there's no specific date tied to when this controversy began. Moreover, the article doesn't currently mention any real protests. I think mass protests would be a reasonable date to blurb this, but otherwise the current system of ITN is not really designed for slowly-increasing controversies. Article looks good tho, so I am open for improved blurb ideas. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Paper leaks and student protests are routine and recurring events in India. These have no large significance outside the country. — hako9 (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Fraudulent issues in the Indian education system are regular. This one has a more coverage than usual but it's still not ITN-worthy. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
June 25
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RD: José Antonio Urtiaga
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Super Deporte
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- Created and nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Spanish footballer with 150 La Liga games for three big teams and a European final goal astonishingly didn't have an English page in his lifetime. The page covers aspects of his career, though I suppose more about his life would come from the El Diario Vasco source that is paywalled. All references to numbers and statistics are sourced from BDFutbol in the external links, though I can inline that if needs be. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support a little bit short but long enough and nicely cited. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bill Cobbs
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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Article needs to be improved before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tag and is in need of more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:55, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Chang'e 6 return
![Proposed image](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/First_Look-_Chang%27e_6_%28LROC1374%29.gif/140px-First_Look-_Chang%27e_6_%28LROC1374%29.gif)
Blurb: The China National Space Administration mission Chang'e 6 successfully returns to Earth with rock samples from the far side of the Moon (lunar landing site pictured). (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
We did post when it arrived at the moon, and per ITNR, its successful return is also there. Unfortunately, I don't know how much more than a sentence update (both lede and body) can be made here, given that it is China and news from there tends to be iffy. There definitely needs to be a better update before posting. --Masem (t) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, per nom, can't see how the realization of what was always supposed to happen on this moonrock-collecting mission gets any bigger or better than this. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per nom, as well as the fact we previously blurbed it anyways. The Kip (contribs) 06:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose inasmuch as it was already posted when it landed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support The composition of the far side is different and so return of these samples is significant. As this is the main point of the mission and it's ITN/R , we should note its success. Note also that the Starliner is not going so well and so such success cannot be taken for granted. And adding more sentences to the article will be easy – just give me a moment. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support It is not everyday that satellites that reached moon's surface also return back to earth. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support They literally got a moon rock that’s pretty important Personisinsterest (talk) 10:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - It's good news, but we already ran with the moon landing as the major event of this mission, and I don't think we need this as well. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if it had been optimal if we had only blurbed this article upon Chang'e's return, and not on landing. Then we would've had the best of both worlds. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- That would have been a gamble, though, since there's no guarantee a mission will ever complete all its objectives. Moonreach (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, new frontier in science and a nice break from bad news. I don't think it's newsworthy enough to give it the picture slot too, though. - Moonreach (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Return of a spacecraft is not big news and we already blurbed the landing on the far side of the moon. Natg 19 (talk) 16:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already covered ITN, and this subsequent event appears to not meet the criteria outlined at ITNR. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, an update to the status of an article about a notable topic of broad public interest. There's no rule that something can only ever be mentioned on ITN once and I don't see why that should be factored into the decision. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Thebiguglyalien, Moonreach, Andrew Davidson and the nominator. Big international news. Jusdafax (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Per most of the supports above. Being the first to return samples from the far side of the moon is highly significant. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Already posted this, and not ITN/R. If and when there are humans landing on the moon and then returning again, that might be momentous enough to post twice. But this is more of an incremental achievement IMHO. — Amakuru (talk) 09:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment removed from ITNR. ITNR does list "Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations" as suitable events, but that seems to only be referring to outgoing spacecraft. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair,
to lunar orbit and beyond
very much sounds like it doesn't include Earth. :p Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)- Earth is beyond the path of lunar orbit. Otherwise we'd crash. The only question (which might not even matter) is whether we're in front of the moon or behind it. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:03, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- To be fair,
- Oppose. Already posted at an earlier stage of the mission. Nigej (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. No rocks have been recovered from the moon since the Apollo and Luna missions in the 1970s, and they are exceedingly rare. This is the only sample return mission from a state other than USA or USSR. Polyamorph (talk) 07:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support These rocks are from the far side of the moon and as such are unique in the history of lunar exploration. Very important to cover it — Iadmc♫talk 10:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Come on, first far-side moon rocks. Bremps... 17:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Already posted this mission just a few weeks ago. Bluemarsman (talk) 08:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, the mission was not complete until this landing. Going to and picking up rocks from the far side of the Moon is one thing, getting those back to a predetermined Earth landing area finishes the historic mission with a success and a civilizational 'first'. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, first time scientists will have lunar materials retrieved from far side of moon. 2607:9880:2D28:108:11F9:25A0:FA7A:4630 (talk) 14:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - I’d call this consensus to post. Jusdafax (talk) 15:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sika Anoa‘i
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today, WWE
Credits:
- Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
- Updated by JasonH1978 (talk · give credit) and HapHaxion (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American Samoan professional wrestler. WWE Hall of Fame. Needs some more citations (I have added some tags and the banner), but it seems people are updating the article. If you know who should be considered an updater, please add to nom. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose need for more citations as some sections are still unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notablity: Needs more citations and some sections are still unsourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 16:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Duke of New Gwynedd Recent deaths have no notability requirement. See the footer of the yellow box at the top of this section. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't mean to put words into Duke's mouth, but I heard support on notability is just a polite euphemism for oppose here at ITN. Bremps... 04:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Duke of New Gwynedd Recent deaths have no notability requirement. See the footer of the yellow box at the top of this section. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support All cited now. I suppose a Photo RD is "asking too much". He was 79. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ha! For real! This photo of Sika Anoa‘i is clickbait indeed! An attention grabber. Surely the page views for his RD would go through the roof! Seriously though, hopefully the RD/photo option will be implemented someday …I hope so, as you may know, from the discussion on the Talk page that you recently participated in re: this RD/photo option. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good and well sourced. Seems very notable— Iadmc♫talk 14:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Kenya protests
Blurb: Nineteen people are killed and dozens are injured as protesters storm the Parliament Buildings in Kenya (Post)
Alternative blurb: Nineteen people are killed and at least 160 are injured as protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Kenya.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit), Tosatur (talk · give credit), War Term (talk · give credit), Poplicolascribere (talk · give credit) and Owinomaestro (talk · give credit)
Article needs a significant rewrite. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb 1 - Focus on the main article. Highly significant event, article might need some rewriting. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, highly significant, although article needs a bit of expansion if possible. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is an embarrassment that the article on the attack is longer than the one on the buildings. And that the article on the buildings is longer than the one on the parliament itself. Fine set of priorities we're encouraging here. —Cryptic 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very significant Personisinsterest (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and possible POV issues. The details of the bill should be sourced to third parties, particularly claims that are not clearly part of the bill's language. Masem (t) 17:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly support - Snipertron12 Talk 17:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC) Highlighted vote. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Best to bold that so no one overlooks it. Bremps... 22:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb on basis of notability, but some expansion would be needed. A national parliament of a major African nation being set on fire is certainly noteworthy. International newspapers seem to be increasing their coverage of the event, so hopefully there will soon be more info to beef up the article.Khuft (talk) 21:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability: there's some things that still need citations though. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 21:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, per above. Update: just resolved the remainder of the CN tags on the article. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, on quality at this time. Support on notability and should the article(s) improve. Kenya Finance Bill protests article needs some work. Some of the details are wrong and some are trivial. The causalities section contradicts the infobox. Parts of the lede are not addressed in the body, making some elements seem undue. 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack is sparse with details. Needs work IMO. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, Oppose on quality per all above. The Kip (contribs) 06:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle per discussion above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. LiamKorda 08:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support attack article looks good now and protest was also quite significant. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - This is huge news. The death toll is now being reported as 13 by the BBC. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article has been updated, should be sufficient for posting. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still think Kenya Finance Bill protests needs work, but 2024 Parliament of Kenya attack looks better (disclosure: I just marked the page as reviewed). I recommend a variation of the altblurb if it is posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply to me here, please ping me. 18:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted ALT1. Schwede66 02:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unless the rioters/protestors are killing their own the security forces are behind the deaths. If/when confirmation comes, we should add that to the blurb instead of relying on passive voice. Bremps... 22:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
RD: Mohamed Arif
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Edition
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Maldivian footballer. Death announced 25 Jun 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is in much better shape. Sharrdx (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, needs work. I have tagged what needs citations. Would you be able to tackle @MAL MALDIVE? --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Julian Assange Released
Blurb: Julian Assange agrees to a US plea bargain that would allow for his immediate release. (Post)
Alternative blurb: WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Aaron Liu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Ekosur (talk · give credit), Aaron Liu (talk · give credit), Speakfor23 (talk · give credit) and Davide King (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Aaron Liu (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Significant event. — hako9 (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Judge needs to approve of this. That's probably the better time to consider. He may be going right back into jail if the judge denies. --Masem (t) 01:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. The appropriate time to post this story would be if/when he actually gets out. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support the chains of government have been broken Lukt64 (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's neither a credible representation of how this happened, nor a meaningful reason to promote this story to the front page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While his article is well sourced, it is overly detailed and has a lot of proseline. It would be nice if that could be cleaned up before tomorrow. --Masem (t) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb which I just added, and post it when the U.S. judge formally approves the deal, which should happen around 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think the blurb should use a photo of Assange, not protesters. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support posting after the judge in Saipan approves the deal. Noteworthy, he's already out of prison on his way to Saipan and will appear in about 23 hours. Can someone with more memory of ITN archives comment on whether it's normal to use plea bargain as the "outcome" in this sort of blurb, or perhaps should something like "after pleading guilty (to [charge/s])" be used instead? -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the judge approves, then Support, but with an up-to-date photo of Assange. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I kinda agree. However nobody has uploaded a portrait photo of him newer than 2014 though. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I checked flickr. The best images I found are:
- Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I kinda agree. However nobody has uploaded a portrait photo of him newer than 2014 though. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- 2021/2022 Time "Political Prisoner of the Year" cover. Not sure what the copyright status of Time covers are. Uploader claims CC-BY.
- Painting by Anarchimedia, traced over a 2015 video conference photo.
- 2023 Photo of Australian mural taken by Cory Doctorow. Could use some cropping. However, it's debated whether Australia has FoP for murals.
- Aaron Liu (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Not true, Aaron Liu. There's a 2018 portrait photo on Commons, but it's not in focus.Schwede66 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- @Schwede66 Could you link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aaron Liu, sorry, I had been looking at another main page item before and then got confused; this wasn't about Assange. Schwede66 18:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 Could you link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait till judge approves it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: a few CN tags in the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait. It's a bit more than a formality for this sort of thing. Wait at least until sentencing before putting this on the main page. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb as it more accurately describes what is happening. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per above, definitely a major development and an internationally recognized headline. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait There seem to be at least 3 countries involved in this – Australia, UK and US. His article says that there are significant "legal issues in Australia" so what's their status now? There seems to have been some change in the Australian government position as "The Australian government has been pushing hard for a couple of years now for this case to end". Is this part of the AUKUS deal? And the outcome still seems ongoing as it's conceivable that Assange might skip bail now as he's done it before. I don't think we should focus on the plea bargain as many or most US cases end in some such deal. As there seems to have been some sort of unusual multinational agreement, we should highlight that. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I may agree with the rest of your opinion, he won't be skipping bail because there is no bail. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Numerous sources report that he was released from Belmarsh because the High Court in London granted him bail. See the BBC, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- While I may agree with the rest of your opinion, he won't be skipping bail because there is no bail. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - While it's a long-running and occasionally high-focus case, this ending to it is something of a damp squib, and I'm far from convinced it's ITN material. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Criminal gets released from prison - so what. If he got exchanged through a major swap for a russian spy in our custody i'd maybe reconsider my vote, but this is just a minor thing in the grand scheme of things Kasperquickly (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...how the hell would Assange even factor into the US "swapping" him for a Russian spy. The US wanted him in prison, not out of prison and was trying to get him from the UK, not Russia. --110.141.157.50 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- How would that make event more notable? BilboBeggins (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043Talk 10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him.Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Pleads guilty and has agreed to some dubious terms as part of his release isn't that notable or historic. In addition that the linked article is a dumpster fire, the chilling effect of his conviction (and aforementioned plea deal terms) should have its own article and subsequently blurbed more than anything else.
Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed on the contradiction. I'm forecasting, but I still believe the main article is too broad for ITN and if we were to blurb this event it should only be because it's significance is such that it would stand alone on it's own (which it might, and is partially what I'm arguing for here). My apologies if that is confusing.
- This is also a moot argument, consensus appears to have been reached and it'll likely be posted shortly. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why should the aftermath have its own article? That's like splitting out Collapse of Smile again. I also don't see how that makes the article a dumpster fire, nor why you claim both that the terms aren't notable or historic and that the repercussions are apparently big enough to have their own article at the same time. Aaron Liu (talk) 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not that notable. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support important event in the western world Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 12:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think one can fairly say the press has ignored Assange's situation for a decade. It's been covered with reasonable regularity here in the UK. But I also don't think much of "this is a major event in western history - but all possible sources are in the pocket of the state and won't say so". It's definitely in the news - it's a pretty big story - but I don't feel it's of the towering importance people are making it out to be. It's a relatively quiet end to the whole business. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oneequalsequalsone, this makes it sound like your !vote is based on your personal political beliefs, which generally doesn't go very well on Wikipedia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- All humans have a bias in one way or another. Some feel baseball and ice hockey are important enough to be the top page news, others feel like the end of a decade old saga of the persecution of a reporter that dared to expose violations of human rights and civil liberties by various governments is more important Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 21:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major world event in terms of the history of freedom of the press, the chilling effect on press freedom and war crimes journalism and research. Boud (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, eminently significant. QuestFour (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean support altblurb, more clearly outlines the event but we should wait until there is a definite confirmation from the judge Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's getting a bunch of news coverage, but the actual significance of this seems limited at best. He's pleading guilty and basically being sentenced to time served. Many events get a short term burst of coverage and we don't post them, mainly for want of significance. This isn't an election, a war, or a natural disaster with a high death toll. It's an interesting case that had the potential to clarify some important aspects of the legal relationship between the press and the state. But it is effectively ending in a tactical draw. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing anything here that warrants a blurb on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
We are not a news ticker
One could make that argument about every ITN item. — hako9 (talk) 23:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- That's why we weigh each item based on its significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- By what metric? If it's based on your personal interpretation of whether it'll be important in the future, then you're violating policy (WP:OR, WP:NOTCRYSTAL). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's why we weigh each item based on its significance. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:38, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Definitely noteworthy. Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb, a major headline all over the world, and a continuing story, since the news will certainly continue to cover his coming and going from the CNMI, touchdown in Australia, and any comments he may have after that. This also raises the stakes for some kind of deal with Snowden, and other possible ramifications. BD2412 T 19:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment and oppose — This can now be properly discussed. Per Ad Orientem, I do not see how this is a major conclusion to the Assange saga. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support never thought i’d see this day happen. Good luck Assange Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's official - The judge sentenced him to time served and said he'll leave the court as a "free man" (Source 1, Source 2) Johndavies837 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WaPo may be a better source.
He'll also have Wikileaks destroy the Manning information.Aaron Liu (talk) 02:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WaPo may be a better source.
- NYT argues that this could set a precedent for prosecuting journalists.
Will try and add to article soon. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)The agreement means that for the first time in American history, gathering and publishing information the government considers secret has been successfully treated as a crime. This new precedent will send a threatening message to national security journalists, who may be chilled in how aggressively they do their jobs because they will see a greater risk of prosecution.
But its reach is also limited, dodging a bigger threat. Because Mr. Assange agreed to a deal, he will not challenge the legitimacy of applying the Espionage Act to his actions. The outcome, then, averts the risk that the case might lead to a definitive Supreme Court ruling blessing prosecutors’ narrow interpretation of First Amendment press freedoms.
- Strong support as this has probably been the longest running case about a cornerstone of democracy in my lifetime. Wikipedia was able to move a step closer to its goal of making the sum of human knowledge accessible due to Assange's efforts. All readers should be invited to ponder how they feel about his plea and release. Connor Behan (talk) 02:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Article has some serious(?) citation overkill issues. That's not a Hard Wait, mind you. But it is something for at least one of you fixers to think about fixing, before or after it's posted (and possibly pictured). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support I would be interested in knowing if it has been widely reported in the US, but it is front page news in Australia. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support ALT per above. The Kip (contribs) 06:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle inasmuch as there are outstanding issues with the article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There is no lasting significance to this. I can see that it's fodder for the press, who like a good story, and this one's unusual given his lengthy stay in the Ecuadorian embassy and subsequent incarceration. We've been treated to such breaking headlines as "His feet have hit Australian soil". But ultimately it's just one man, he was neither exonerated nor treated unduly harshly by the US government and this isn't the kind of thing that would usually be covered in ITN, any more than the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination was, or other things that generate a lot of heat on the news tickers. — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- No amount of findings that he has endured torture are enough for some people. Connor Behan (talk) 14:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- We are here to showcase quality articles and writing on current, analyzed events. We are not here to decide whether people have endured our own arbitrary standard of torture that we have not experienced. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- While the definition of torture is not arbitrary, we are indeed not here to adjudicate that. What we are here to do is point out that !votes are not votes. I.e. that they count for less when they include claims that reliable sources reveal to be false or misleading. Connor Behan (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
nor treated unduly harshly by the US government
; I mean the CIA was actively trying to assassinate him as recently as 2017 [1]. Curbon7 (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- Jeepers, this is 60s-style stuff. Bremps... 17:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are important global issues arising from the case, some of which affect us as Wikipedia editors directly. The most important is that the United States insists that its laws apply world-wide, even to foreign citizens who have never set foot in the United States. This is especially problematic in the the US ranks lower than any than any other Western country on the World Press Freedom Index. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- It smokes Mexico, soundly beats Greece and narrowly outclasses Liberia (unless you're of the opinion that anywhere less "free" than the U.S. isn't "West enough"). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: half a million views on 25 June, before his release. Biggest spike of interest in a decade, except for early 2019. Definitely of huge interest. Boud (talk) 11:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's own readership levels are not a reliable news source. Please stop citing them in these sorts of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lord Kelvin is featured on the main page today. The article quotes his maxim that "when you can measure what you are speaking about and express it in numbers you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind..." Andrew🐉(talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's own readership levels are not a reliable news source. Please stop citing them in these sorts of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support, alt-blurb. It's a pretty significant event, with Assange being able to come out and meet friends/family etc after serving over five years in prison. This isn't some event where there is lots of news on a day then nothing the next.[2][3] — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb - I think the nominator here, Aaron Liu, lays out a good case that this latest development in the Julian Assange/Wikileaks story is deserving of ITN/blurb level status. The relevant article continues to be (for the most part) reliability updated. - 14:17, 26 June 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)
- Marking as Ready Full disclosure: I am opposed to this nomination. However being objective, the discussion has been open long enough and there is a solid consensus in favor of posting. I found two CN tags on an otherwise solidly sourced article, neither of which are enough IMO to stop posting. This is good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- AO, I appreciate your input here. I am also opposed to the nomination, but I share your appraisal that it's both well-supported and of suitable quality. Thank you for being measured and constructive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb - Agree with AO, it’s ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 18:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. It's a major change to a prominent article based on recent events. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: Aaron Liu (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Posted I shall action that. Schwede66 21:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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