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I saw that you corrected the articles of some Hindi movies from "English" to "Translation". I'll help you do this, as there are so many movie articles with "English:XXX", "lit.- XXX", etc. (partly my fault), which would best be expressed as "Translation". Bahut bahut shukria Mar de SinSpeak up!22:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Bahut shukria for the barnstar! It was a fun article to write. I think a history of the usage of the various scripts would be interesting to include in the article, but I don't know much about that. I'm more of a linguistics guy. To answer your question, my background and current research mostly involves languages that use the Perso-Arabic script, but I've studied some Hindi, Sanskrit, Panjabi, and some Dravidian languages too. So many languages, so little time. –jonsafari05:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Urdu alphabet
Adab, John Sahib. Thanks for your questions. Nast'aliq is actually a script style, not an alphabet. Naskh is the normal style that Persian and Arabic are usually written in. It's kind of like the difference between cursive and print. Urdu can be written in either style, but Nast'aliq is preferred for its beauty. I hope this helps! Khuda hafiz Mar de SinSpeak up!19:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Salaam-e khudavand aap ke sath ho! If you want me to help out the Hindustani pages in any way, please let me know. I am going to remove the Hindustani pages from my watchlist until then. Keep up the great work! Yours in Christ Jesus, Khuda hafiz, Kitabparast03:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Salaam. Thank you for your initiative to move The Modern International Standard Letters of Alphabet for URDU - HINDUSTANI - "THE" INDIAN LANGUAGE to a more sensible name. I thought I was the only one who thought the title was cumbersome, among other problems. You have my full support in this move. Keep me updated on this if you run into any problems. The article also has some issues with lack of citations, formatting, neutrality, and I suspect some possible copyvio problems, although I need look into this matter more to be sure. I'm sure the primary editor has good intentions, and the actual romanization scheme is fine, but the article has plenty of issues. –jonsafari22:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look at the Hindi-Urdu grammar IPA situation when I can. I can't claim to know enough about the language to provide a phonetic transcription, but I can probably give a moderately accurate phonemic one. But then again, it's a grammar article, not a phonology article, so a phonemic transcription is more appropriate anyways. I'm not a native Persian speaker, but I'm slowly working on it :-) –jonsafari00:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the belated response. I have had little to no internet access lately, and it'll continue for a few more days. Either title is fine with me. I trust your good judgement. –jonsafari20:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Walaikum Salam
I was busy doing some job-related work during past weeks, but now I am back and we can work together for our common goals towards Roman Urdu/Hindi & Hindustani. I am currently reading the article The Modern International Standard Letters of Alphabet for URDU - HINDUSTANI - "THE" INDIAN LANGUAGE. I will hit you back soon. By da way, thanx for remembering me and scrapping me on my talk page several times during my absence. Salam! -Fayyaz Abbas 31.08.06
Hello, when you want to link to the article about something Persian, please do not link to Persian, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Persian people, Persian language, or Iran, by writing out [[Persian language|Persian]] or [[Iran|Persian]]. Regards, Jeff300006:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hindi and Urdu scripts
I noticed that you have added Hindi and Urdu scripts to many articles. I really appreciate your work, but it seems that their are quite a few mistakes made. Just a few tips: check Google, the right Hindi/Urdu spelling will give you thousands of results, and its best to write the script manually instead of using a software. Thanks, --Mar de SinTalk to me!19:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am really sorry for having to revert/remove your Nagari-script edits, but I felt the importance of it was too little. For example, Pakistani film is almost unheard of in India, and is targeted toward the Urdu speaking population, not really including Hindustani. And also, there is no need to put Devanagari on many Indo-Muslim articles, since Urdu is the predominant language, and if you start using Devanagari/Hindi, then the addition of other Indian languages/scripts would be justified, which would really be insignificant. Shukria aur khuda hafiz, Mar de SinTalk to me!21:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I see how Devanagari can be relevant. Nevertheless, I wouldn't think that the number of Indo-Muslims who don't know Urdu script would be too significant, but I guess it is very much possible. I will accept your changes on these pages. If you would like to learn how to fully read/write devanagari and/or Urdu script, omniglot is a great way to start. And software is a great source too, but some minor fixes must be done to the orginal phrase in order to transliterate it, e.g. pagal -> paagal, mein-> me.n, thanda -> ThanDaa . Bahut shukria aur khuda hafiz, Mar de SinTalk to me!01:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Posters do not make reliable sources; pls cite any source that claim Bollywood movies are made in Hindustani language.Preferably the Certificate given by the Censor board of India clearly gives the name of the language in which film is made. I would request you to cite any of such certificates here.-Shanti, shanti and more shanti-Regards-Bharatveer04:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikibooks
Hello! Can you contribute to the Urdu Wikibook (in Wikibooks) Please?
I don't know whether putting the Devanagari script is a good idea, since Devanagari deviates so much from Phoenician, with 2 d's, 2 t's, so many ways of represent gimel, etc, and no letter at all for some sounds. Bahut shukria aur Khuda hafiz, Mar de SinTalk to me!00:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The thing about Brahmic-from-Phoenician is unsourced. To be a language on the chart, I would think that there is a definitive history for each letter deriving from Phoenician. For example, it it known where each of the arabic letters come from, since the abjad system was basically the exact order as phoenician, e.g. Alif, Baa, Jeem/Geem, Daal, compared to Aleph Beth Gimel Daleth. The Hebrew script was based on the Phoenician in almost the same way as the arabic, and the Greek system was really too. From Greek there comes both Latin and Cyrillic, and although deviate a bit from Phoenician, their link is still definitive. Devanagari and even Brahmi have no definite link to Phoenician, and the way the letters are arranged was based on Panini (k kh g gh ng...). And Phoenician is a Semitic script, not Indo-European. I hope this clears up anything, and let me know what you think! Thanks! Mar de SinTalk to me!19:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that Bharatveer likes fights, and is actively looking for articles that I edit and making provocative changes. As if to say, "Nyah nyah nyah." Zora20:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'm a Buddhist gori. American (Swedish-Texan heritage) and I live in Honolulu. I was once passionately involved in many of the Islam-related articles, just as a way of understanding Islam, but I have since tried to stay out of the fray. The problem is a continually changing roster of editors, 95% of whom have no academic training but a great many prejudices and even hatreds. We get a compromise worked out, a decent article written, and then someone new comes along and wants to know why the Muhammad article doesn't say Muhammad was a pedophile and rapist. It breaks my heart. Even the Bollywood articles are increasingly problematic. We have the Hindutva crusaders and then we have the gonzo fans who are sure that Shahrukh or Amitabh or Sridevi or Rani is the pinnacle of human achievement, perfect in every way, and that his or her article must be a shrine to the beloved one. Are American fans that nuts? I don't edit Hollywood actor articles. I wouldn't know.
Oh, and as for me being respected -- take a look at my user page and the names people have called me. I was tickled pink when I was called a Jew and an Islamofascist bitch, both on the same day! Zora06:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Putting Hindi (or Divangari) in first line alongside Urdu gives a wrong idea as if Divangara is standard in the Band's country of origin. You can put Divangari in Etymology section whcih will make more sense as Jal is a very informal and almost obselete word in Urdu. Thanks! Szhaider05:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A correction for the record
I do not add Urdu scripts to specifically Indian articles. I add Urdu script to only those articles whcih are relevent to Pakistan. Szhaider05:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pashtun
Urdu-speaking Muslims are not Pashtun, they are just plain Indian Muslims. OK.
Just referencing from the “The Joshua Project Website” is not going to cut it. I want to see a proper government census by mother-tongue to prove your claims. Napoleon12 7:58, 16 October 2006
Clearly the people with Pashtun heritage for more than three genertions ago and have lost Pashtun culture cannot be classified as Pushtuns. Nearly 25% of Urdu speaking Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India are in this category. Claiming 11 million Pashtuns in India cannot be accepted. They now belong to Urdu speaking ethnic group.
Thank you, Anupam. The lesson is quite insightful, although I doubt I will ever fully understand exactly when one should use half-letters. If you ever do find the company that was mailing out gratis copies of the Qur'an, please do let me know.
I'm really sorry that I still don't have the time. I'm sorry to have to request you to ask another editor to aid you in this task. Thank you, and Khuda hafiz! Mar de SinSpeak up!01:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see that the article purdah has an editwar. May I suggest that you insert purdah into the section "Other meanings" instead of the beginning of the article, because it has little relevance to the first and largest section. This way, I think both parties can be satisfied. Thanks and Khuda hafiz! Mar de SinSpeak up!22:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think that some articles do deserve Hindi script. However, from my perception, Pakistani bands are not really that popular across the border, unlike how Indian films are very popular in Pakistan. Pakistani films also go largely unnoticed by Indian Bollywood aficionados. For some of the articles like purdah, azad, etc., Hindi script should go wherever relvant. Thanks! Mar de SinSpeak up!22:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, many Pakistani bands are well known in India and appear on Indian music sites. However, the pages with Hindi scripts should only be limited to the ones that are known in India. Thanks! Mar de SinSpeak up!23:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you should bring up the topic on either Szhaider's talk page or the talk page of the relevant article. I'm sorry but I don't wish to become too involved in this as I am still rather busy-- bahut afsos ki baat hai, ab sirf chhote edits karsakta hoon :(. Khuda hafiz. Mar de SinSpeak up!01:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You're stepping into a minefield here and I may not be the best person to advise. For whatever it's worth, I'd suggest that you limit the supplementary Devanagari to material that is sold and advertised in India, and perhaps phrase it thus: "When appearing in India, or sold in India, rendered as XXX in Devanagari." That makes it very clear that you aren't attempting to claim the material for India, that you're just trying to reach out to Indian fans who might not be able to read the Urdu script. Take it slow and don't act as if you're a tank division heading for Islamabad! :) Zora02:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a look at the talk page there. This is yet another instance of a certain cadre of editors replacing references to South Asia with the term "Indian sub-continent." Laying claim to the whole sub-continent. Zora07:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User:Zora, You are just being out of your senses.Pls try to look things in their proper persepective.Partition of India happened and no one here wants to stake a claim to whole subcontinent anymore.But your argument that the the word "Indian" is Inflammatory and therefore it should not be used is illogical to say the least.-Bharatveer08:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bakasuprman, I hang out on a few desi blogs, like Sepia Mutiny, Bollywood Fugly, and Razib's genetics blog, and South Asian is the term used. By desis. They also use the term "brown" (as opposed to "black" or "white") but it doesn't seem to be catching on outside the blogosphere. South Asia may be denigrated in your circle of friends but in the online desi world, it seems to be well-accepted. Zora08:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking the time to comment upon the solid work that user NisarKand is doing in some areas of Wikipedia. The main Afghanistan article and a few others are strangely written from a modern Persian Nationalistic perspective--very wierd. Initially NisarKand's edits and attempts to insert information that was not tainted with this bias were simply reverted due to complaints, but I pointed out that a lot of his information is correct, and he has contributed a lot, so the initial wholesale reversions, at least, where removed. It has, however, turned into a serious eidt war with plenty of name-calling on all sides, though, so I'm not willing to participate until cooler heads prevail. NisarKand knows quite a bit about the history of Afghanistan and the Pashtun peoples, and it would be a shame to lose him as an editor. KP Botany17:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's quite a bit of work to get the neutral point of view in. It's hard enough copyediting, alone, when it seems to engage you in an editwar, too. Salaam, KP Botany20:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for notifying me. As predicted, Sarvagnya (see wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/sarvagnya) thinks that bringing a few socks and fellow Kannada users has formed a "consensus". I think its funny because AFAIK, the Hindu and Urdu users reached a compromise, and its weird how some DMK style anti-Hindi deletionism still managed to creep up.BakamanBakatalk17:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On your user page you claim to be native speaker of Urdu. I have noticed Urdu scripts that you have added to a variety of articles. Please do not take it personally. It is necessary to tell you for the sake of quality of the material presented at Wikipedia that Urdu scripts that you have added are completely wrong in 99% of the cases. I have fixed most of them in Pakistan related article. Please confirm the validity of the Urdu scripts before adding them to any articles. Szhaider23:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Namaste Anupam, sadly the language dispute where disruptive users try to whitewash Hindi has continued, with Sarvagnya attacking me and accusing me of "promoting a nationalist agenda". I find it hilarious, being of course instrumental in bringing together, Nastaliq script readers, Devanagari script readers, Bengalis, Marathis, and Malayalis together united in a common goal. See the nice long rant at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Statement_on_User:Bakasuprman_by_User:Sarvagnya. We need sensible users to add some sense to that section, so its not full of nonsense.BakamanBakatalk04:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Its about user Hkelkar (who I have collaborated with on many pages) but users like Sarvagnya and KNM have taken time to bring the Kannada-Marathi dispute to the table and accuse me of many things. Since you were the calm voice on that page, your comments would help debunk the nonsense pasted by these editors inspired by regional conflict. Its funny how you and me worked with NAstaliq readers, NAgari readers, Bengalis, MAlayalis, Tamils, and MArathis to build consensus yet we are still defined by sarvagnya as the "Hindi Prachar Sabha" or "people that will lose their minds if precious Devanagari is removed from the page". What I will lose my mind over is tendentious editors POV-pushing and disruptive editing by regionalistic editors bent on making wiki a battleground.BakamanBakatalk18:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion there might interest you. The discussion is with Zora, who accuses myself, Bharatveer, and Deepujoseph (a Malayali admin) of censorship on wiki. I suggested that an Urduwiki link can be added to the article, so that those readers who wish for Nastaliq can read a whole article instead of merely her name.BakamanBakatalk17:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, actually preferrably the only language link that would be there is the lang of her ethnicities (Malayali and Tamil). I cant read/write Tamil so thats a problem. I'll try and find some Tamil users though. They're working to build consensus on the case so your input will help in the discussion.BakamanBakatalk15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
All I have to say is your knowledge is weak and poor.I dont need you to tell me about the Muhajirs first of all,as my father is one.
Second of all,Urdu might have developed in what is today india but it's parent languages is where it's heritage lies.Sanscrit was spoken in Multan.Where is that?You wont need a map I'll tell you:its in Pakistan.
As for you "acadmic" vision of what you call "history",you seem to lack in it.
The so called "partician of india" is my best example.A provincecalled Punjab gets divided into two states and you cry "India got divided".Syria and Turkey were under the rule of the Ottoman empire,so by your arguemnt,Turks and Syrians are "the same" or that "Syria got divded into two".
India is in fact a whole day YOUNGER than Pakistan as it was liberated a whole day later by the British.The so-called land of "India" was nothing but independant states before the arrival of the British.It only became "one"(against their will,which explains the sepratist movements all across "India" today.) when the British forced all of south asia to live as ONE COLONY.
When they arrived,they used the term the ancient Greeks did to refer to south asia,but again the term meant NOTHING to the people of South Asia.
Coming back to Urdu,your arguemnt that because it was simply born in what is today India,it automatically becomes "Indian".
Let's make a similar arguemnt.The modern Turkish language evolved and now is spoken in Turkey,a country geographically located in Europe.SO by your arguement,your saying that Turkish should automatically gain the status of a European language just because it happens to evolve into what it is today in Europe.-LOL
Sorry but reference to the Indus is staying in Pakistan's history article and if you do happen to tamper with it,you're asking for trouble.
We Pakistanis take more pride in our heritage than you Indians realise.
Oh one last thing."educated Muhajirs"(???)I didnt know ALL muhajirs were educated.I wonder then,why 90% of Karachi(a predominantly Muhajir city)lives in poverty.Nadirali01:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali[reply]
If these projects were focused on indic versions of there faiths such xtianity in india or Islam in India, I would have no problem with it. But they do not. They are general projects that do not focus on a particular region. For example, the WP india does include all of the military history project, it only includes the Indian-task-force part of it. Zohorastrianism is related to early vedic civilization and shares similar cultures with the indic philosphies. Therefore I request that they be removed. Even wikiprojects such as iran and indonesia do not direct associations with such projects such that are listed on their respective pages.--D-Boy02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Hindi should be placed only where it's really need maybe for example a bio such as Lara Dutta and Preity Zinta. People from UP, there's mismash of Hindi and Urdu and well as others. I think Hindi there would be appropriate.--D-Boy03:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A person like Kajol would not need Hindi scripts. Also, I agree with Ambroody's position on urdu especially with bollywood movies.--D-Boy03:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His position was:
My 0.02 pence.... Firstly i couldnt care less if scripts are there or not. I'd support removal of vernacular scripts ONLY if all non-English scripts are removed simultaneously. Indian articles shouldnt be held to different standards. Re:Bollywood it is really idiotic to add Urdu to Bollywood articles ad hoc, more so for Bollowood bios (Kajol article for example had Urdu but no Marathi!). Unless the said movie uses stresses on Urdu (as understood in post-1947 context) i see no point in adding urdu script to articles like say Lage Raho.
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Urdu poetry
Hi Anupam! Sorry I never got back to you on the etymology of Hindi. I decided to let it slide for the time being. Re: the Urdu poetry article: I did see the Devanagari and Persian script samples you added to accompany the couplet. Szhaider removed them, I think, because he thought there was no need for the script example. Are those the reverts you are refering to? Sarayuparin21:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't see what's wrong with having the Urdu and Devanagari scripts there. It seems particularly germane since the article is on Urdu poetry. Having the couplet in Urdu seems topical, at the very least. Sarayuparin22:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since the script additions have been reverted before, maybe it would be worthwhile to start a discussion on the article's talk page. That way all users who are interested in the matter can voice their opinions. It's always good to build concensus for an addition or deletion if the issue is contested. If no one responds to the discussion, then I suppose you can go ahead and put the script examples back. Sarayuparin00:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anupam
Hello, Afghan Historian here. Sorry I didnt respond to your post earlier. Yeah, thanks for the comments. As I said on my profile, I just like to interpret history with an NPOV and stay true to the sources. And yes, they do show that India and Pakistan were historically one geographical nation/expression, and today culturally more or less one but split between two nations. Not that I'm advocating reunification or anything. But I am a firm believer in peace, cooperation and normal relations between the two sister states.
With regards to Shah Rukh Khan and the Pashtuns, there are full-blooded Pashtuns in the industry but I dont see Shah Rukh Khan as one of them specifically. Shah Rukh Khan is a Hindkowan Pashtun whose parents or grandparents were from Peshawar. Hindkowans are Pashtuns who are bilingual in both Pashto and Hindko. They follow Pashtunwali but are more conversant in Hindko than anything. Hindko is an old Indo-Aryan tongue and the last remanant of the branch of Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit-derived) languages that were once spoken in the Hindu Kush region on the eastern edge of the Iranian plateau. These are a more like a transitional subgroup between the Pashtuns and the Punjabis, or more likely a subgroup of Pashtuns who have embraced part of a different culture but still keeping the original ancestral cultural identity. It remotely like the Parsis you know. The Parsis view themselves as ethnically Persian and yet nationally and culturally Indian. Likewise, the Hindkowans view themselves as ethnically Pashtun, but linguistically and somewhat culturally more Indo-Aryan. Just like the Parsis still follow Zoroastrianism, the Hindkowans still keep to the old Pashtunwali and martial spirit. So its not uncommon for a Hindkowan to call himself Pashtun, as that's his ancestry and background, just as a Parsi, par example Freddie Mercury, will call himself Persian. In fact, as many take Shah Rukh Khan to be an actual Pashto-speaking Pashtun, many take Freddie Mercury to be an actual Farsi-speaking Persian, without understanding the context of his roots. The page we are writing, deals with Pashto-speaking Pashtuns from eastern Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan, where the ethnic group is based. There are Pashtuns of this kind in Bollywood, the most notable being the old Bollywood hearthrob Dilip Kumar (real name Mohammed Yusuf Khan), as well as 60-70's legend Feroz Khan, who was born to parents in Bangalore who had actually immigrated directly from Afghanistan itself. Afghan Historian20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Anu,thanx for leaving message on my page,i am happy that wikipedian are trying to help each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)
Kahra Hal Ahain(in Sindhi)(how r u). :P
Changi Gai(Balouchi)(how r u ).
lolz
again thanx,Anu ,I have add fish tag in my profile but i just like to add aquarium fish (tag) rather then any other (just)fish, I love to eat fish but aquarium fishes are like pets, so i want to show that i am interested keeping aquarium fish as my pet. I do not feel comfortable keeping fish(tag) on my page because it does not show either I am interested eating it or keeping it as pet, but if i will keep aquarium tag that means pet.are you getting my point?
Hey Anu ,thanks for help ,i need help agian,but i need your favor this time. I have seen some topics here Regarding balouchistan ,some users are writing every thing on favor of Govermenet.But i want to be much neutral. Tell me how to get that topic so that neutral pages so that no buddy should write bogus on it.
WaSh(sweet of u,balouchi word) Anu. yeah ur article is much helpful to me, I have some local news papers articles(daily kawish most regulating sindhi news paper around the world) can i use it as my source but those are in sindhi, what about bibliography written by Khan of Kalat(former) himself
Anu,i can speak Urdu but i am not good in it my ancent does not support me lolz(but who cares).Yeah that Aqurim fish looks cute on my page,BTW sounds that u r also fisher lover bcoz u selected cute fish.after using both tags of my page( aqurim fish\tag of Ancient Grecee) i feel better.Should i Thank u again,i better find other word,becuase i been using it alot (heheheh).
Sadain Gud(Always with You)(we say it in sindhi when we leave each other,we sindhi peopls do not use word bye).
Kahra Hal Aahin (how r u ,sindhi)
waja changi(youth how are u,balouchi)
but problem with me is that i do not know the origin of these cast\tribes and in article all things are categorized, I do not know what to do and where to put these tribes .But for sure these are sindhi cast\tribes they been living here for generation. and they speak sindhi only(not even balouchi ,like balouchi tribes in sindh,or sarki language).
Hi anu,i am trying to change this article ,but i can not find sindhi Script on my window to add words on article? how that is done beacuse there 52 alphabet in sindhi,out those 5 r orginal sindhi and 47 are arabic.but on this page it is written all 52 are arabic that is worng. i have study sindhi for 12 years i know about it.can i saw images on it?i mean or scan book and or write and then put image of those alphabets?
I have noticed your edits in Afghanistan and I have reverted your changes, because they were wrong. "Afghanistan" does not translate to "Afghani place" ... it means "Land of Afghans". The "i" in the Western transcription "Afghanistan" does not reflect the original Template:Lang-faAfghān'stān where the "i" does not exist. It's a non-written vowel in between the "n" and the "s" that is a typical phenomen in Middle Eastern languages: two consonants are splitted by a non-existing, smooth vowel. In this case, it's an "i" or an "e". So, the correct transliteration of افغانستان would be "Afghan'stan" - "Land of Afghans". "Afghani place" does not make any sense ... neither in English nor in Persian. Tājik10:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thx for your replay. I know the meaning of -stan in Sanskrit ... in fact, it has the same Indo-Iranian root. However, "Afghanistan" is deffinitly derived from Persian and thus, the only correct translation would be "Land of Afghans". Tājik21:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Afghani place" does not make any sense? why don't you bring some Americans or other English speakers and ask them what does "Afghani place" translates to and mean? To me, "Afghani place" means a place (land, territory, country, nation, spot, area, space, store, shop, market, and many many others) that belongs to Afghani. The term Afghani is used as Afghanistan's currency. I am Pashtun from Afghanistan and we use the term Afghani to refer to something that belongs to the nation Afghanistan or Afghans as the people. For example: I am wearing Afghani Kalee...it means I am wearing traditional clothes of Afghanistan or clothes made in Afghanistan. Or I am buying a new Afghani Ghalai, which means I am buying a rug that is made in Afghanistan or from Afghanistan. In the English language, there are many shops named with "place" at the end, for example: "Tony's place" = a shop owned by Tony. Another better example is "Disney's Land" or "Disney's World", which means land belonging to Disney. Any place on earth can be called "place". So how can someone say that "Afghani place" does not make sense? Afghani place clearly means the place where the Afghans are found. This applies to the English and my Pashto language both. What does Hindustan means? The place where all the Hindus are found or live. Land is limited sometimes. If we were to call Mir space station "Afghanistan"...then is it "Land" of the Afghans? or Space of the Afghans? Therefore, the word "Land" being used would not make sense. The word "Place" is unlimited...it can be used for any place we can imagine. To me, Land of the Afghans sounds more silly because only Land is included, but not the space above the land....like airways or waters and perhaps other things. Conclusion, Afghani-place is the precise meaning or translation of Afghanistan. I believe the word Afghanistan was made by people on the Hindu"stan" side rather than those on the Persians side. Because, Hindustan has the oldest recorded civilization than Persians. Also, the place that was called Afghanistan since at least the 16th century, was much closer to Hindustan. That area (Southeast Afghanistan and Western Pakistan) is still heavily influenced by Indian culture. In other words...it is more likely that some authority in Hindustan long time ago decided to call the area where the Afghans lived as "Afghanistan". The only best choice to use is the obvious one that I just explained.--NisarKand22:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pashtun People
I do not believe India is the home to some 11 million Pashtuns which is histoically impossible. I need to see a proper Indian census on Pashto-speakers before I agree to any changes to the article based on demographics. Also, Urdu is a separate language than Hindi which draws large influence from Farsi and Arabic. If you cannot understand that very basic fact, than you got problems.
Dilip Kumar is known for his acting achievements and not his political tendencies. Plus, people want to know who Pashtuns are and not what they are doing currently. You are welcome to add that info on his article. Thank you for understanding my situation.--Napoleon12 5:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I still do not agree with the demographics. The article is about Pashtuns and not about Dilip Kumar or his personal hobbies. You are welcome to add that information on his personal page. Also, I am not going to debate with you on the origin of Urdu since Pashto is my first language. So, you know my answer. You should be ashamed that your government never conducted a proper census on ethnic and religious lines. Why don't you write an article about Muslim misery in India as reported by the BBC. [[1]]. Khuda Hafiz.--Napoleon12 5:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Let's not forget that Urdu is the majority language of Muslims and so-called Pathans of India, and not Hindi. Thus, you must agree with me that the Urdu language good enough in representing the Pashtuns of that region. On the issue of Dilip Kumar, I think the description is fair b/c it mentions his birthplace and his occupation.--Napoleon12 6:14 pm, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
how to clean mess
Yar anu,i am very upset ,realy can not belive peoples are having so much joke with history .i checked Moen-jo-daro page ppls were fighting including me to put india or pakistan page or keep both off,it is strange that ppls consider sindh as indian which was itself a countries in history,wel i do not have to talk about it,even then i visit Raja Dahar page,it was strange to see india flag on it,he was son of Sindhu rather then indian. anu i knw u r indian but i feel sorry that ,why ppls doing so.now i seen big mess ,joke with history i was reading story abut sassi\panhu ,they written fake story.ok even it is true,but that story does not belong to them inclduing other,what i amn trying to say is that Shah Abdul Latif written that story in his poetry in 16 hundred if some one else is writing that same story in other language in 18hundred that story does not belongs them anyway(it is like some one will write Rome Julite now and peopls say he wrote it ,no sorry,it was written by Shakispir long before ,so that belongs to him). i have refrence in sindhi and english i am writting those here
now tel me what to do ,i changed one story ,but i m feared some one will revert putting in confilit topic.but this is not solution .Please help me
here are source
he is Punjabi poet wrote same story in (17th century ,same thing is already written by Shah Abdul Latif in 16th century)
( are Mirza Sahiba, Sassi Punnun and Sohni Mahiwal. There are several poetic narrations of the story, the most famous being Heer Waris Shah written in 1766. It tells the story of the love of Hee)
why this mess.
Sadin Gud
Note: i know urdu can i speak\read\write it,but give much prefrence to balouchi\sindhi\english then trun comes of hindi\urdu
Sain MahirBani (sain=respectable word for friend\landlrod\teacher\head\lord,mahir bani=thanks).
Perfect Place for Tribes.
Mmmm,nice work i am glad you found way to place it. Well i could not do it but you did it .it is perfect place for those things to be there.
Lukh Thora (millions of thanks,NOte:we do not have thousands of thanks or hundreds for thanks, Just million of thanks :P ).
Both the words India and Hindu are derived from Sindhu, which, in Persian became Hind and Hindu (the letter H substituted for S) and in Greek and Roman, Ind (the letter S of Sind having being dropped). The meaning of the word Sindhu is water, referring to the great river.
The Aryans called the whole of Pakistan, Kashmir and East Afghanistan as Sapta Sindhu.
This distinction continued for centuries. Arab geographers, historians and travellers also called the entire area from the Arabian Sea to the range of Kashmir mountains Sind.3 As such, there were always two countries in the sub-continent -- Sind and Hind
Thus, even for the Aryans there were two countries in this sub-continent: Sapta Sindhva and Bharat Varsa.
The Assyrians in the 7th century B.C. knew the north-western part of the sub-continent as Sinda. However, when India began to be called Hind by Persians and Arabs, and Ind by Greeks and Romans, the local people continued to call their land, Sind.
Sindh begets its name from the river ‘ Sindhu’, which is primarily the original name of the river 'Indus’(Greek Sinthos, Latin Sindhus). Over the centuries it has been subjected to considerable name deviation, which are phonetic variations of root word "Sindhu". Linguistically, there have been various theories put forward accounting for the oscillatory behaviour of this name Folk/Oral history says, "Sindh" means green land and "Sindhu" means source of greenery".
It was in 326 BC the Alexander the Great came to Sindh and captured the main towns along the river. The great Maurya Dynasty ruled Sindh in the third and second centuries BC. Buddhism flourished here during this time. Buddhism was gradually replaced between the sixth and eighth centuries by the Hinduism which introduced the caste system.
He was a relation of king Sahasi of the Rai Dynasty of Sindh, whom Hiuen
Hope you will get some information from these link.it is sindh,it was sindh not india\hindustan\Baharat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)
You are too quick.i did not expect it that i would get answer ,it shows u love Wikipedia ,when i send you question i get answer an instant that is kinda awesom. i seen articel and you made good d improvment,i just seen lots of red colour tags? that means we have to write about those and create those articles too? then it will take months to complete it beacuse i add many tribes and those r red tag.
Balouch orinentation living in sindh are called as Barouch(Sindhi but balouchi heritage),they hardly called as Balouch .Yeah Balouchi living in balouchistan are called Balouch even in Sindh but not us(who here for generations) yes i will teach you about My Heritage ,i wrote about it Khosa,Hooth,Rind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)
Thank very much for that wonderful card and message dear Anupam. Sadly, I do not know how to make one myself, I don't have the skills. But by next year I will! ;)
For now, I want to say Merry Christmas to you and I hope you have a wonderful time with your family and get great gifts! ;)
Marry Christmas
Happy X-max Tree
Thanx for Beautiful message\image. True ,one day jesus will come and Save us from Sorrows.May Allah Listen Your Prayers
i was blocked and i do not know why.May be my IP address was used by some other user,at last they allowed to edit things are now i am back.Hope u r having Great Holidays ,after few days i will on leave too and will miss Wikipedia and You and some other users here. i liked those sindhi script sites that u sent me,i hope u must have put much efforts to find,it is great site ,i liked it.U always been Helpful to Me.
Hey did u listen that song "Come back Jesus Save the World?" by C brother(indian singers).
سداين گڏ (this is little bit incorrect ,i try to write in sindhi but could not find all words but i tryed to write .Hope u like it in its orignal form)
Hi Anu ,i am here till saturday .Yeah i will use those templates when i am away from wikipedia.i am still search song,i think those lines in middle of song so i could not search it ,it been long time i heared that song.anyways i will send u some good songs,hey which language do u like to listen for songs and who r ur favourite singers?
Sadin Gud
Khalidkhoso10:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, that depends. Many do see themselves as Pathan or Pashtun, particularly people like Imran Khan. Others pride in their separate identity. I dont know, however, what Shah Rukh Khan identifies as, so I dont know what to call him. In any case, either's he's a Hindkowan or a Pathan, he cant be a Pashtun in the strict sense of the word, as he does not come from a family that follows Pashtunwali, nor is Pashto or Hindko his mother tongue. Dilip Kumar, however, is a Pashtun, as he speaks Pashto and actually hails from the North West Frontier Province.
Afghan Historian03:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good call on salwar kameez
When there's a possibility of people arguing about who gets to be first, alphabetizing is the way to go. Nice solution. Thanks. Zora04:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hindi
Hi Anupam, sorry, you were right. I guess I read the Ethnologue entry a bit too fast and saw only the "co-dialect" statement at the end of the 'Comments' paragraph. The sentence you refer to does in fact mention 'Hindi' and 'Urdu' as varieties of Hindi:
"Formal vocabulary is borrowed from Sanskrit, de-Persianized, de-Arabicized. Literary Hindi, or Hindi-Urdu, has four varieties: Hindi (High Hindi, Nagari Hindi, Literary Hindi, Standard Hindi); Urdu; Dakhini; Rekhta."
Hey. Please don't add interwiki links if on the other languages the articles have not been created. I am sure your intentions were good but, lately, I've seen a bots remove them a few times. It's not a big deal... just, the links are meant to show languages with actual articles--not possible ones. Thanks for your efforts with adding the scripts, however. :) grenグレン02:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I hope that you have a wonderful New Year and will party all night long. If you don't celebrate New year at this time well then happy early or late New Year and I still advise that you have a good time tonight!!!¿Why1991ESP. | Sign Here22:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You deserve this so much. Anyone with over 2500 edits that does not have a barnstar deserves to get one. You also got it because you have had 300 or more edits every month for the last 6 full months and you have a lot this month also. Keep it up. Happy new year!!!!!!!. --Sir james paul22:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You should of known that even without a barnstar. I am sure that many people think that you are a great editor. Keep up the good work. --Sir james paul22:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations Anupam u Deserve this medal ,well wikipedian administrators are late but they realized u r worth. I was away for week could not touch computer(with internet).anyways Congratulations again
Thanks for uploading the template "Indo-Iranian nations"
However, you should also add a few other nations to the list, for example Uzbekistan (Persian-speaking Tajiks, ca. 30% of the population), Azerbaijan (Tati and Talysh), and Turkey (Kurdish and Zaza, more than 20% of the population), where significant Iranian-speaking communities live. Tājik13:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that the History of India discusses highly speculative history (such as the Mahajpandas) and is peripheral like the History of Iran. The article is already too broad in scope and needs to remain in the region of Pashtunistan. India's involvement is largely peripheral and not directly linked like that of Iran. As for the geography, well it's actually South-Central Asian and also culturally and linguistically closer to the Middle East (along with other Iranian peoples). The South Asian link comes from its association in the east with Pakistan and its eastern provinces as well as the legacy of British India. Also Indo-Aryans aren't an ethnic group and the genetic tests show that the links are actually with other Iranian peoples and the only Indo-Aryan speaking peoples related are the Hindkowans (whom I added myself). These references DON'T reflect what encyclopedia articles denote about the Pashtuns or reference books. The Pashtuns aren't a difficult to describe group, but I don't see how they are related to people such as the Bengali people. Related ethnic groups are immediately parallel geographically and include the Tajiks (closest), Hindkowans, Nuristanis, Dards, and a few others. Nor are the Iranian peoples an ethnic group so much as a series of ethnic groups who all seem to show a relatedness factor that does not link them directly to the Indo-Aryans who have long since separated and moved to India where they merged with local groups. Indo-Iranian is also a language group. The article I originally wrote was meant to make this clear. The Pashtuns are there own group and their relatives are those who live next to them. Indo-Aryans aren't for the most part, related. The article can't emphasize links that aren't particularly notable. Tombseye05:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, your point about the Dards is a valid one. I think we should change it to the Pashai and Kohistanis which is more valid as they live in close proximity to the Pashtuns. I do agree that the Pathans of India are a large group, but my reason for not including them is b/c no encyclopedias do and neither do reference books. They COULD have an article of their own though, which may or may not work since the terminology used is confusing. By that I mean that many people in South Asia refer to Pashtuns as Pathans as well as referring to Hindkowans, Afghans in general and those of putative ancestry in addition. This makes things very confusing. I realize that people perceive things in terms of traditional views as well (while writing other articles with Khoikhoi we have come across views that are either nationalistic or simply veer away from encyclopedic standards) and so the Pathan/Pashtun divide may be disagreeable to some, but unless the usage changes in other encyclopedias, it will have to remain a reference to Pashto-speakers and others who are at least bilingual (which we've done). I will make the changes to the Dards as per your suggestion. Tombseye05:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I believe I've come up with a compromise. I put in the History of India in the see also section so as to give added information about peripherally important articles. I also agree that a Hindkowan article will take care of the closest Pathan group. I believe I will start one soon. Maybe something rudimentary at first that can be added to later. Cheers. Tombseye06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just started the Hindkowans article, but just put stuff from the Hindkowan language into it. At some point we can all fix it up obviously. I just figured I'd get the ball rolling though. Cheers. Tombseye06:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will be Getting Different IP address now.,.....
Hello Anu how ru ,do u know how to create templets? if yes then lemme know i want to create few for myself too.
i have problem,now i will be moving much of time so i will be getting different IP address every time,so tel me what to do,i do want to get blocked as i got last time?this will happen most offten and same IP address might be used by some one else too :{
Said Gud
Khalidkhoso13:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OMG :P Anu, it is Realy Beautiful ,specially Sankarti(or Gurmukhi).i am bascailly one who support sindhi should have been in Sansakrti Script,anyways things are gone so i am ok with arabic script now too.
Nop,do nt make changes ,keep it here on this link and add it to ur Page too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sindhi_Wikipedians
Anu U Forgot to add this to Your page :P Category:Sindhi Wikipedians
W salam
i saw ur comments ,thanks .Yes u r true i do not have any Sindhi ancestry but we been living here for generation and i speak good sindhi and write,if i would not call myself sindhi then who will?If we c history then u will count in finger tips the number of Sindhi ancestry.No i am not Indo-Aryan at all.
according to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balouch , i am either Persians, Kurds, Arabs and other Iranian people.I belive that we are Arab ancestry.My grand mother was kurd.
Sadin Gud
Khalidkhoso10:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(The contemporary Indo-Iranian languages form the largest sub-branch of Indo-European, with more than one billion speakers in total, stretching from Europe (Romani) and the Caucasus (Ossetian) to East India (Bengali). SIL in a 2005 estimate counts a total of 308 varieties, the largest in terms of native speakers being Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu, ca. 540 million), Bengali (ca. 200 million), Punjabi (ca. 100 million), Marathi and Persian (ca. 70 million each), Gujarati (ca. 45 million), Oriya (ca. 30 million), Kurdish and Pashto (ca. 25 million each) and Sindhi (ca. 20 million).)
(SIL International in a 2005 estimate counted a total of 209 varieties, the largest in terms of native speakers being Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu, about 540 million), Bengali (about 200 million), Punjabi (about 100 million), Marathi (about 70 million), Gujarati (about 45 million), Oriya (about 30 million), and Sindhi (about 20 million), with a total number of native speakers of more than 900 million.)
i have been working on this page since long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_tribes
and i have written many tribe names but problem is that when i look for tribe i get other link and category which have few tribes names so can u help me to redirect that to my work?
Thanks for comments but anu u r not understanding ,if they are allowed to use many tags then there will be 100 of tags and 100 of tags?i have few freinds in Jeay sindh (if they come up with tag and flag too)and some r in tarki pasand,SNMF,SNP and many more,do u want they all should have there tags and falgs on page?if then i will be the 1st to upload all pic makeing the page political but i am trying to make it neutral.that's why i used Ajruk ,which is not flag nor political stuff?
I agree with ur comments of correction of grammer and Just showing one template that u created.it is on my watch list so i keep eye on it.
Thanks for give us so much time me(and my topics).
Sadin Gud
Khalidkhoso04:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it back to your version. Note that the devanagari spelling of the name is incorrect. The "i" maatra is attached to the "n" letter and not the "b" letter; consequently, as currently written, it sounds "bənɪ" instead of "bɪn." Unfortunately, I don't know how to write in devanagari using unicode. (BTW, does it require special software?) Fowler&fowler«Talk»08:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dear Anu
do u like actor anupamkhir ,he is good actor BTW.
i am here to ask u for help.
this page is countious under attack by one user thinking as he owns page,every time i edit he does same.i ask him to disscuess he is try to make it more political then neutral. can u ask for protection of this page.i been on protection page but could not understand ,if u could do me favour please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sindhi_Wikipedians
It was an exclusively Muhajir party of secular, middle class orientation. Rumor has it that Zia ul-Haq’s Islamist government had a hand in setting it up, to subvert the power of the main opposition party, Benazir Bhutto’s PPP in Sindh. This cannot be confirmed, but the result was exactly that, as its existence led to a civil war in Karachi. The struggle for power between the Muhajirs and Sindhis in the province of Sindh became one of the major destabilizing factors in Pakistan, arresting economic development in the country’s main commercial and industrial center.
The Battlefields of Karachi: Ethnicity, Violence and the State
By Vazira Fazila-Yacoobali
Vazira Fazila-Yacoobali is a graduate student in Anthropology and History. Najeeb Jan is a graduate student in History.
Paramilitary rangers in armored vehicles warily patrol the narrow back-streets of a residential neighborhood in the city of Karachi, Pakistan. A few months ago the presence of state security forces would have surely ignited a fierce gun battle in this middle-class Muhajir locality, a strong support base for the Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz Party. But for now a weary calm prevails as boys playing cricket in the street move to make way for these guardians of a fitful peace.
Muhajir (literally "migrant" in Urdu) refers to those Muslims from Central and Northern India who migrated to Pakistan at the time of Partition in 1947. Thousands of Muhajirs, largely from urban middle-class backgrounds, poured into Karachi, transforming this small trading town in the province of Sind into Pakistan's most important industrial and port city.(1) But recently, this rapidly expanding metropolis of eleven million inhabitants has become an urban theater for what many have described as a virtual civil war between the security forces of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's government and a heavily-armed, ethnically-based political party, the Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz (MQM or Muhajir National Front), which claims to represent the interests of Karachi's six million Muhajirs.
Last year alone over 2,000 people were killed as a result of political violence. Entire Muhajir neighborhoods were transformed into battlefields as MQM youth fought with army rangers from the sandbagged balconies of apartment buildings. Despite government claims of having subdued the MQM militants, the death toll for 1996 has already reached 300.
Parties to the Conflict:
1) Government
As of October 1999, led by Chief Executive General Pervez Musharaf following the overthrow of the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in a military coup. Under the previous Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, the government engaged the Pakistani Police Force, Paramilitary ‘Rangers’, and troops from the Frontier Corps (Constabulary) in the conflict.
2) Armed groups: Several parties opposed to the government (and each other) are involved in the violence. These are seen to be primarily ethnic or religious groups. In addition, criminal elements, some working through the groups listed below, also contribute to the violence, a legacy of Pakistan’s involvement in the war in Afghanistan and the related drug trade.
a) Sindh nationalists:
Sorry. I dont agree with you on this one. There is no need for the hindi text since the article is not about the Word, but the cricket throw. An introduction is only given because a Pakistani cricketer inventing the move. Hindi is not related to this subject. The Cricketers language is Udru, and he was using urdu when referring to the term. 20:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Unre4LITY
Project tagging:After a brief edit war over the addition of {{WP India}} to ancient archaeological sites now located in Pakistan, a "pre" parameter was introduced to remove the ROI flag from the template for pre-1947 articles, following discussion. After another large discussion on ANI alleging that the automated tagging by Ganeshbot and LostBot was "nationalistic", Ganeshbot was briefly blocked. Currently, the bots are again in action.
What is India?:Recently, there have been ongoing discussions here which discuss the stated issue of "India" the historical region is different from the Republic of India. It consisted also of modern Pakistan and Bangladesh, but a search for "India" automatically redirects to the Republic of India. Should there not be a clarification? . This comes in light of clashes on articles such as Panini, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Muhammad Iqbal and Muhammad Ali Jinnah, regarding the status of the individuals.
Swastika on Hinduism templates:Recently, an extremely large and at times emotional debate broke out regarding the use of the swastika on Hinduism templates, given its association with Nazism. As a result, {{Hindu Links}} now contains an educational message about the use of the swastika, as discussion on a more permanent resolution continues.
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No problem - thank you for your interest in the program - there's currently one annoying bug which is caused by a dodgy internet connection the the Wikipedia servers, but this is likely to be a problem at the Wikipedia end rather than the user end. Thanks again, Martinp2323:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are invited to join WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations
Hello,
I have seen your editings on Tamil people and Dravidian people and would like to take the opportunity to invite you to our group. This group is open to all who are interested in contributing to any topic related to the Dravidian civilizations. If you are interested, please go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and post your name in the Members section. Regards.
Thanks for inviting me to join the group. I will be glad to help out with the project. By the way, I was reading your userpage and find it to be very interesting. I saw some minor errors and took the liberty of fixing them. Urdu and Sindhi are generally considered to be Indo-Aryan languages. As a result, I moved them to that section of your chart and added Pashto and Tajik under your "Central Asian" section. For additional information, Sindhi is also written in Devanagari and Punjabi is also written in Perso-Arabic. I hope you don't mind. ;) With regards, AnupamTalk22:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for joining. Thanks for taking the time to look at my userpage. By the way, I was listing the Urdu, Hindi, Tamil, etc by script category rather than langauge. But, thanks for pointing that out since now I may be labelling them by script name to avoid confusion. (ie. Devanagiri (Indo-Aryan), Vattelutu (Dravidian, circular scripts)). Can you help me out here? What would be the name of the syle of script used for Urdu, Sindhi and Pashto which resemble Arabic? Thanks.
Sorry I had to revert your edits to Pashtun people. I moved all the categories Category:Pashtun people, which makes it redundant to list them again on the main article. In regards, to the CE/AD thing, this guy once told me that "the preference of the first major editor should be adhered to." Since a great deal of article was written and expanded by Tombseye (he was the one who made it an FA), I think we should leave it how he originally had it (using "CE" instead of "AD"). Regards, Khoikhoi22:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I see what you're saying. When the article was an FA, I remember that it used BCE/CE. As for your second point, I think it's not really an English issue, but more of a religious one. IMO, CE is more neutral and appropriate for Muslim topics, while AD is better for Christian topics. Phir milengay, Khoikhoi03:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to let you know that I removed your description of the Indian usage of Hajjam from the Ajam page. The Indian term "hajjam" is derived from the Arabic word hijama (barbers and cuppers often shared jobs). Ajam is entirely different. I suggest you create a new article for [[Hajjam]. --Zayed106:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
can u please help me to create Balouch Templete and Category
Hello Anu ,long time no c? how r u ? how is life ? and every thing.
hey can i have little more help from You. can You please create Balouch Wikipedian Category and templete(i will upload picture for it) for me and please do let me know how to create those stuff ,so that in future i would created myself too.
I see you have been busy inserting devanagari script equivalents in a number of Buddhism related articles. Sorry to be critical, but are you aware that many of the items are spelt wrongly, especially the Pali ? I do also wonder about the wisdom of putting Pali equivalents in devanagari script -- most people don't read it in devanagari. --Stephen Hodge11:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello dear how are you ,how is life.
I am good reader of Sindhi writers from India so I am in favor of Indian tag on this topic. Dear I want you keep eye on this topic, revert it when it is vandalized. I am glad to see on sindhi pages.
Good to know that you are Ok Anu.i was checking my page history some one vandalized my page anyways it happens here. You can see on my Discussion page I was on some other stuff.So could not send you Image for Balouch Wikipedian,rather say i am looking for Better Image or picture so that ,it should represent Balouch Community around the world. I will try to find good image as soon as possible and will inform you soon.
Beacuse of Your help ,i wrote LK advani name in sindhi script.
thanks to local Admins that they reverted my page before i was online .They are fast and dedicated to work .i wish that you be admin here too :P Khalidkhoso22:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Anu i need your E-mail address(khalidkhoso2@yahoo.com)is mine .Yes script is incomplete i need to send you one sign that i can not find in Sindhi Scrip link you sent me long ago.Khalidkhoso23:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Anu ,i think he was born in Hyderabad or Shikarpur,i have raised question [[7]],beacuse here we are told that he was born in Hyderabad not Karachi.what do you say about it ?Khalidkhoso00:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is clearly, found from the censis that more than 2lac Gabol r living in sindh aras (38,000 in ghotki, abt 1 lac in dadu, more than 30,000 in karachi and considerable population in hyderabad, nawabshah
sukhar and jacobabad). About 40,000 in punjab including Alipur, Muzafargarh, Rajanpur, Deraghazi khan and Bahawalpur. Also found in Balochistan in some thousands. could'nt know about their num in syria and iran but gabol being domki took their name from Persian river Dombak. what do u think ? thanx.... Irfan Gabol11:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anu ,after long time.if you could have look on Sai_Kumar artilce again and please if you could upload picture too.Beacuse i do not know where to find free pic to upload it for wiki.Thanks Khalidkhoso22:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I noticed quite a few articles of UP with Devnagiri and Urdu scripts in the infobox. [10]. The scripts make the header look ugly and so too the locator on the image. While drawing up the infobox we had come to the agreement to keep off scripts from the infobox due to rendering issues. Thanks! =Nichalp«Talk»=11:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
from Nadir Ali
Hi Anupam.Look I'd like to apologise for sounding so agressive on the talkpages like I once did.It's just that I was so frustrated and feel strongly over the subject.
Though I still disagree over many of these issues,I agree we must discuss it in a civil way otherwise how are we to reach a compromise? best regards.--Nadirali نادرالی
No i didn't endorse blocking you.I endorsed warning users from adding misleading alphabets to a certain country's alphabets.Szhaider's proposal is not to block you.It is to warn others from adding these scripts.
You are not being blocked for this.No one is proposing a block for you.
Consider it part of a disagreement.Thanks alot for accepting my apology.Best wishes to you.--Nadirali نادرالی
Re: WikiProject Punjab
"avid contributor to Punjabi realated articles" you say. I strongly disagree with this statement. My concentration is on Pakistan-related articles. Pakistani-Punjabi-related articles might have come in my way during my efforts to improve Pakistan-related articles. Anyhow thanks for pointing out another orphan project related to Pakistan. I am trying to organize and refine WikiProject Pakistan. After I complete this project, I will take deep look at WikiProject Punjab. If you have any suggestions in this regard, I will be pleased to know them. Szhaider22:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your concerns but WikiProject Punjab is very one-sided and very Indian at the moment. If you check out Portal:Punjab, you see Manmohan Singh as the only current selected biography. A Pakistani edge is required. And again, just like a project has no sense of ownership over articles, joining a project and helping it now and then doesn't mean you must neglect other projects. — Nobleeagle [TALK] [C]06:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sindhi wikipedian template
The Template Barnstar
It would have been impossible for me to create Sindhi wikipedian template with ajruk.it is you who deserve this Star,it is You creater of Sindhi wikipedian template. Khalidkhoso01:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I want to know the criteria of getting the barnstar if one have to apply for it aur it is rewarded by any authority.
Abulfazl 09:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Re- Welcome
Hi Anupam, thanks for the warm welcome to Wikipedia, i appreciate that. As for joining WikiProject Pashtun i dont know if that a good idea. I by no means am any where close to being an expert on Pashtuns. Also with time constraints i dont think i can contribute as much as would be required for projects. Thanks for oferring though. If i do want to make a major addition/change to any Pashtun relatead article, i will discuss it with you on your talk page first, seeing that you are part of the project(hope you dont mind). IP19800:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
bari nawazish aap ki sir lekin sir mery user page main koi hai kiya ? jo aap kah rahe hain ke thik karni hai wese sir mujhy to koi bhi galti nazar nahin aa rahe hai main na ya user hon agar kise bhi chez ki zaroorat pari to inshallah sab se pahly aap he se pochon ga
je sir Anupam han yeh to hai meri english bohat kamzooor aap bikul use thik kar sakty
aur yeh aap ki bari mehrbani hogi
sir aik aur baat main ne aik toptic creat kiya hai Abdul Raheem Grohirri us ka information box hai us ko bhi agar thik karadian de to bari mehebai hogi
Hi Anupam - actually you might want to ask at WT:INB - I don't know of any such websites. If nothing comes up, I suggest you upload a picture of the subject using the fair use policy - in the absence of free alternatives, the use of a copyrighted image is permissable if only for educational purposes and if it does not compromise the commercial value. Cheers, Rama's arrow03:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thankx again
thank you sir
mery key Board main dar asla bana is tarqy se huwa hai ke do dot aik dosry ke opper nechy hain lekin abhi sab samjh main agay ajo nahin samjh main aya woh poch lon ga
Some info you pout in is true, but you write in these sweeping generalizations. Much of what you put is Anglican tradition, in Anglican language, in internal Anglican controversies. .OK, but thats's not how Catholics do it, or Orthodox. Lutherans and Calvinists have liturgies too, even if ytou don't consider them "strict." HarvardOxon03:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Liturgically, Lent ends with the first hours of Holy Thursday, when the Sacred Triduum begins," how is this ambiguous? The Triduum remain penitential days: that's not synonymous with "Lent." As for phraseology on the other question, why does there need to be anything inserted in what is already there at all? Many "low church" Christians also have some sort of blessing rite for ashes.HarvardOxon04:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, the Catholic Encyclopedia text quoted is from the 1911 edition....It's a century old. You will find a multitude of references in it that read as though the 20th Century never happened, because, in fact, it hadn't happened when it was written!. We've been through the 1917 vast revision of the Code of Canon law, the 1983 second vast revision, the revision of the Missal of Pius X, the second revision, particularly for Holy Week, of Pius XII, the post Vatican II complete revision of all liturgies, and several major adjustments in the 1980s and 1990s, the Second Vatican Council itself, and NINE popes since then. Things change. read the wikpedia article on Maundy Thursday itself...it mentions clearly that Holy Thuirsday is now the most usual use in the RCC.HarvardOxon04:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
thank you
thank you Anupam bhai !
mery english bohat kamzoor hai is topic to bohat hain lekin english ke waja se ban he nahin rahe hain
wese main
sd.wikipedia.org
per kuch topic bana raaha hon kiyon ke wahan per to english ke zaroorat nahin parti lekin inshallah jo topic acha ban gaya us main se aap ko changes ka wa lon ga
Greetings, and thanks for the message. My biggest difficulty with the "Divine Service" article is its definate Missouri Synod bias--even the name, "Divine Service", is decidedly Missouri Synod terminology. If I ever do get around to working on a Lutheran liturgy page (or pages), I would like to be a bit more broad based (and, admittedly, my own knowledge of Lutheran liturgy comes much more from an ELCA-esque perspective). Right now, I think my own Wiki-contributing priority would be on improving / expanding the United Church of Christ page and related topics, but when/if I ever do get around to that, I certainly would like to expand / add more content related to both Lutheran liturgy and Reformed liturgy/worship. Peace, Emerymat02:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jimbo's visit to India and the WikiCamp in Chennai: Jimbo recently visited India in late February and early March on wiki work. This included a trip to a WikiCamp in Chennai. The one day conference attracted 300 participants from across India and beyond dealt with issues facing wikis ([13]). It was widely covered by the press, eg The Hindu( [14]), which cited the efforts of Bhadani (edit count), Sundar (leadership on Tamil Wikipedia) and Ganeshk (Creation of Ganeshbot to create articles on Indian towns from census figures). Ganeshk himself travelled from California to attend the conference.
Wikipedia Weekly 15: Wikipedia Weekly, a informal Wikipedians' program that purports to give "A weekly audio roundup of Wikipedia happenings with news, interviews and roundtable discussions" recently interviewed two prominent editors Rama's Arrow and Ragib(listen). The entire 34 minute interview was entirely about the world of Indian subcontinent wiki-happenings, and was the first episode which was not entirely dominated by discussion of wiki-politics and wiki-bureaucracy, with the host Witty lama praising the efficiency of the project and its proliferation of featuredcontent. Rama's Arrow cited the team spirit, friendship and respect among project members in discussing its success and FA productivity, as well as discussing subcontinental wiki-conflict. Ragib talked also of his public campaign to raise awareness of the Bengali Wikipedia in his native Bangladesh, which has seen a 30-fold increase in article count over the past year.
Arbitration: Three cases are either in progress or have recently ended.
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Hmm...going through the talk pages, I'm not sure if the move would be non-controversial. Please set up a feedback (move proposal) on the talk page of the article as given here. Then list it on WP:RM, and let us see if there are any objections to the move.--thunderboltz(TALK)04:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
Hi Anupam. I saw the change that you made in the English spelling section in Salwar Kameez to Hindustani from Hindi. The problem is that section is talking about the pronounciation difference in Hindi alone, so Hindustani is not correct.
Also the website you posted regarding it be called a "Punjabi suit" is not credible. It lists erroneously that the salwar kameez orginates from North India, when it actually comes from Central Asia. I think it is only called a Punjabi suit in India, as in Pakistan it is common in every province for both men and women. IP19816:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay i see the reason why you put Hindustani in instead of Hindi. I will just change the the title to Hindi-Urdu, hope you dont mind. However for the punjabi suit i dont agree with it being in the intro. Some people also call it the pathani suit. [[15]] we cant gift it to the Punjabis. In Pakistan no one calls it a punjabi suit because it is common in every province of Pakistan. we should mention who calls it a Punjabi suit, and put that information in another paragraph. IP19819:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for message Anu.
How have you been doing.
I am doing well, I was watching few article and removing vandalized stuff from it. I often used to see your contribution but i have not seen you in while either. I was thinking to ask you working in article and making that article one of best in wiki?Waiting to listen positive response..oooh,I could not see that stuff in Your Tube because it is blocked from my office.Khalidkhoso04:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.
I've made some changes to the WP Christianity main project page, added several sup-project pages, created a few task forces section, and proposed several more possible changes so that we can really start making some serious progress on the project. Please stop by and see my comments on the project talk page here and consider joining a task force or helping out with improving and contributing to our sub-projects. Thanks for your time! Nswinton13:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS. Article about Kurów is already on 175 languages. If you do that, please put interwiki link into English version. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) Pietras1988TALK 17:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, will look for one. It will likely be Rohilkhand (or Barielly Division) as a part of the United Provinces. Will let you know when I upload it. Fowler&fowler«Talk»12:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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I noticed that you added Hindu/Urdu scripts to the article. Is there a particular policy on adding different language scripts on categorised articles? If yes, can I see the policy pages? --Zamkudi12:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Devanagari spelling
Hello. I think adding Devanagari script where it's relevant like you did is a very good idea since it's more informative than romanizations but I noticed you made a lot of mistakes. If you have any doubt ask somebody who edited articles such as Devanagari or Hindi. I even remarked such wrong spellings uncorrected for a long time. Could you make a list of the Devanagari edits you did? I'm ready to spend time correcting them when needed.
BernardM, thanks for your concern. I am able to fluently speak Hindi/Urdu but I am just a beginner with the scripts. My edits are viewable here. Once you have my contributions open, click on the Edit button on your toolbar and then click Find. In my edit summaries, I generally used added hindi/urdu scripts or added hindi. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk03:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what I had started to do but you have made a lot of edits so it's long and difficult. You know better than anyone the articles on which you added such info. BernardM16:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kashmiri Categorization.
Hello, I would just like address the Kasmiri linguistic categorization, it is extremely missleading to call the language Indo-Aryan and labelling it as 'North western'. Dardic also does not belong in the Northwestern subgroup. Dardic is a distinct group seperate to Indo-Aryan. Your classification is almost as absurd as placing Pushto in the Indo-Aryan group. The sources on the internet are predominantly Indian (hindu) and biased around Indian culture, most say that Non-Indian linguistic scholars who labelled kashmiri as Dardic were wrong and ignored its heavy sanskrit influences. However they totally ignore the fact that for the past 700 years, Kashmir valley has been predominantly muslim and 90% of koshur speaking people are also muslims, and have adopted persian scripts and are influenced heavily by Persian. A minority are misrepresenting the majority here, and it isn't fair.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abdelchi (talk • contribs) 11:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC).
Hello, can you please add the Urdu script at Mehfil? (Or is it the same as the Arabic?) It's apparently an Urdu word, though Hindi people use it as well. Many thanks, Badagnani09:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Good day! Could you help me and provide translations for the following 100 basic word in your mother tongue. Not in the standard Hindi but in your native local variety (dialect) if you (used to) speak any (and then indicate please how you call it and precise location like state – district – town/village). If there are synonyms or known dialectal variants provide them with comments if possible. Also please indicate if you know that certain words are borrowing. You can fill in right here using either IPA transcription or some other spelling you like (just describe your conventions). Thank you in advance! --Koryakov Yuri12:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
However, I feel that Bollywood film are made for the Hindis however due to a similiar vocubalary the Urdus, Gujaratis and the Punjabis. Possibly this should be mentioned in the actual Bollywood article. It's also like how Tamil films dominate in the South, with Kannadans and Keralans watching them without dubbings....
Forgive me for getting into this, but what kind of strange analogy is this? I am a Malayalee, and I can truthfully say that many Malayalees do not understand spoken Tamil (including the Tamil in Kollywood movies), even though Malayalam and Tamil are linguistically very similar. If even such closely related languages are not mutually intelligible, imagine how much harder it must be for e.g. a Gujarati-speaker (who speaks no Hindustani) to watch Bollywood films without subtitles! (Gujarati is less closely related to Hindustani than Tamil is to Malayalam.)
I think the only people who can watch any such films without dubbing or subtitles are those who can understand the language of the films very well. --Kuaichik07:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam, Since you are one of the few consistent contributors on that page, could you please look at my post here on Ragib's talk page. Ragib is apparently taking a long wiki break. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk»14:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam, The sentence about popularity in RoI really belongs to the third paragraph and I have moved it there. The reason is very simple; the song is about Hindustan (ie. RoI, Bangladesh and Pakistan) and therefore its popularity in all three countries needs to be mentioned in one place. The same with the national anthems. It was written for Hindustan (which included Bangladesh and Pakistan). The fact that it is more popular in RoI now doesn't take away the original meaning of the song. That is why not only the anthems of RoI but of all successor states of "Hindustan" (i.e. Bangladesh and Pakistan) need to be mentioned as well. If "Pride and Prejudice" tomorrow becomes the number one novel in India, that will not merit a mention in the lead paragraph of the novel's page. The same with SJSA; it was notable before Independence and would have merited a Wikipedia page whether or not it remained popular in RoI or lost popularity in Pakistan. Fowler&fowler«Talk»15:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello
Mmm I'm User:Shshshsh or Shahid if you want. Not universal hero. This discussion there is too long and I actually didn't find the relevance to the Veer-Zaara page. I don't have a problem to put Urdu, but are you sure it was in Urdu too? I saw the film and don't really remember that. Best regards, --Shahid • Talk2me23:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Shukria
I'm actually somewhat busy myself, so you don't have to apologize to me. In fact, thanks for all you do on Wikipedia, too! :) --Kuaichik04:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oooops. Ma'af keejiye...I think I took that post out of context :-D Yes, certainly, I agree that a Gujarati-speaker (for example) could find more similarities between his language and the language of a Bollywood film than, say, a Tamil-speaker. And I also strongly agree on the use of both Devanagari and Nasta'liq. --Kuaichik06:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad you see the relevancy of both Hindi and Urdu in Bollywood articles. Sometimes, there are people who don't despite the references.
I know, really! When they're watching, say, Lagaan, don't they ever happen to notice that the name of the movie typically (or "often"?) appears in Roman script, Devanagari, and Nasta'liq before the other credits? Maybe next time somebody raises the issue, you could say, "Hey, buy a Bollywood movie tonight and see what scripts are used to give the name of the movie in the credits!" :-P --Kuaichik05:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yunus
Hello. We did have a conversation on Yunus being a Hindkowan didn't we? Also, the reference barely talked about him which was also odd. Anyway we can't include him. Tombseye14:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hindustani
Yes I am interested, but the template box is useless unless the red links have articles for them. I just adapted the Bengali version.Maquahuitl20:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I want to have a separate taskforce, at least, for the Hindi group of languages. It is a huge region and there are several inter-related articles. They cannot be done without a coherent approach.Maquahuitl —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maquahuitl (talk • contribs) 08:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam, Since you are one of the people who made substantial comments in the last RfC we had on the Talk:India page concerning addition of new material (see here), I thought I would get your opinion about a new development. Yesterday, out of the blue, Blnguyen, who has no history of editing on the India page, made a post on the page suggesting that the India page be expanded to twice its size, which needless to say, has created a lot of confusion. Please see this section of the talk page there. As a result, User:Sarvagnya, for example, has returned to his scheme for de-constructing the India page. (By way of background: Nichalp, who usually watched over the article is busy this summer; Ragib, who was subbing for Nichalp is busy too. Blnguyen seems to think that the page is in bad shape and is about to be de-FA'd. He feels that it needs many more citations (and their lack) is reason enough for it to fail an FAR. Nichalp, when he was active, discouraged over-crowding the text with too many citations (especially when the text was composed in the summary-style, as India is). I think Blnguyen has some valid points: the page needs more (and certainly better) citations and the prose (especially of some new sections that were created by other people) needs revamping, but I think you might be in a better position to assess Blnguyen's idea of expanding the article to twice its size.) Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk»12:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sir
How r u ? sir !
hope will be fine n fresh
i again statr work at english wikipedia. you r my like teacher here in wikipedia.
Hello Anu
Thanks for wishing me Eid,yeah it been long time no we can have talked. I am doing fine and things are going good in my life. no I have not heard about that movie, I like new movies from KTN(it is 1st sindhi TV, after that now there are more then 5 TV related to sindhi language).
Wow ! Thanks a lot for your extraordinarily fast answer ! I have been working on a new version of the article on my sandbox, and have been trying to list each film in its original title, so thanks for helping me. BomBom17:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Siraiki in itself is a language. Why would you present name of one language (Siraiki) in the script of second language (Hindi) on a website of third language (English)? Does it even make any sense? Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This will most likely seem like a newb question, but those language tags on your main page: do those mean that you know English, Hindi, Urdu, Spanish, and Arabic? If so, I find that slightly amazing.
--Yoshiroshin (talk) 01:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Anupam, Please read the discussion, "names in different languages" section, and tell me why you changed my edit?! I understand that you are Indian, but Wikipedia is not your weblog! If this is what you want, please kindly delete the whole "History" section, write your own version of history and then include "Hindustani" (and other) names at the beginning of the article. 115.132.187.95 (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam
Happy New year
Pls help me to circulate this appeal-
if any body/ or few of You brilliants who reside in North India can tell me about newspapers in India like Punjab Kesari, Dainik Bhaskar , Rajasthan Patrika , Navjyoti ?
or few famous news papers of Jaipur , Rajasthan , Punjab Their circulation or popularity . & if any body of you know Hindi. or interested to explore different/ all or specific religion , philosophy , poetry etc . I want your help to translate some few 50 line of Hindi news to English. Pls. Gift your name to me on my talk page please Regards - --Dralansun (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Canvass
Hi Anupam,
I just wanted to drop you line about your post on my talk page... it was unnecessary as I have the OWU pages watched... that being said, your requests for input is actually a violation of wp:canvass because you are only contacting people who share your perspective.Balloonman (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yaar nobody replies when I post requesting for people to create a Taskforce. :(
I have also asked for people asking to create a WP:uttar pradesh and rather just create a WP for all the states of India(since anyway we have it for some of them) and let people join at different rates.Maquahuitl (talk) 11:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually on second thoughts, I am more interested in having a Taskforce of Hindustani and allied languages(Hindi, Urdu and Hindi languages, foreign Hindi languages, creoles, etc.). Since yesterday I have been browsing through Hindustani-related articles and besides being in a dispute related to the material, they are in a big mess in their categorisation. Categories are recursively defined, and there are several garbage pages and other pages whose titles must be changed. Here is my navigation box for Hindustani:
Please have a look at the message posted on my talk page by Tuncrypt, and then his reply to my reply to it on his talk page. He just talks arrogantly, and even though I took care to deal his points carefully, he says "most of what you've said is incomprehensible and nonsensical anyway". This kind of attitude will only make new contributors like me disgusted, and we're just going to leave wikipedia instead of facing humiliation. Administrators should help new people groomed in the environment of wikipedia rather than blackmailing people that "your changes and templates will be deleted". Even after asking him to talk to me as a friend, he was more interested in showing his arrogance. Maquahuitl (talk) 12:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What difference does my so-called arrogance make as to what's right and wrong? That's what at issue. If you go around being sore all the time, worrying about getting your feelings hurt, you're not going to get much done.
And so it's true, pretty much everything in your replies to my points does "veer off into the inconsequential and incomprehensibly nonsensical". Your reply to my first point simply repeats what I said in the first place. Your reply to my second point is even more senseless, where you're basically just talking to yourself. Third reply is not senseless, but nonetheless inaccurate. Hindustani is the shared colloquial base between what have become Hindi and Urdu. Trust me, I know this, I contribute heavily in linguistics, having much relevant academic material in my possession. Rather than Hindustani > Hindi+Urdu, the correct scheme is as follows: "Western Hindi" > Khari Boli > Hindi+Urdu (in which H'stani is their shared colloq. base). Your reply to my fourth point again shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Here are your non-Khari Boli dialects. Lastly my fifth point was to point out that while Hindi and Urdu both have the same grammar and other things (being registers of Delhi's Khari Boli dialect), it is the general topic of literature that is the very thing that constitutes their differences, so naturally grouping literatures together as such would be the most incomprehensible thing of all. As for Premchand, classifying him as both an author of Hindi and Urdu is not silly; that is what he was. He didn't classify himself, nor others him, as an "author of Hindustani". When one wants to express thoughts beyond the most basic, one must delve into Urdu or Hindi. Overall it would seem that the confusion lies between the terms "Khari Boli" and "Hindustani". Khari Boli is a dialect, a grammatical construct, not necessarily concerned with choices of higher vocabulary, and so it is the thing under which Urdu and Modern Standard Hindi can be subsumed, while Hindustani is concerned with vocabulary, specified shared colloquial vocabulary, and so it falls as a term to describe parts of Hindi and Urdu, not the other way around.
As stated in my reply, I hope to tackle the inaccurately inflated status accorded to "Hindustani" on Wikipedia. For example, a page like this need not exist. As I've said before, "Hindustani" is not a literary language but a shared colloquial basis of others, and more importantly, these things can be, and for the most part are, dealt with on the respective Urdu and Devanagari pages. Overall the Hindi/Urdu domain of pages are very much a mess. Tuncrypt (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for your supportive words, or else my confidence and enthusiasm would have taken a severe beating.
The most important issue that we need to discuss and understand is the semantics of the word, or rather the term, 'Hindustani'. That includes historical usages as well. I will write about this on the main talk on the India discussion page; please check there as well.
You said something:
Before the partition of India, Hindustani traces itself back to Hindavi
Now I don't know how much of this is true. Before this sentence you said that Hindi and Urdu derive from Hindustani. Now Hindustani itself derives from Hindavi. As far as my knowledge goes, before the development of the Sanskritised standard in the late 19th century, Hindi, Urdu, Hindustani, Hindavi all referred to the same language and the particular form, which now is known as Urdu. I am not sure who used the term khadiboli. It is obvious from the term itself that Mughals surely wouldn't have used it since for them it would have made little sense what khadi is in the boli(khadiboli means rougher dialect). It would surely have come from native people in regions who were in constant touch with the people of the region speaking khadiboli- their immediate neighbours, who could have been either Awadhi speaking, to the East, or Braj bhashis, to the South. Now I really don't understand what Hindavi means and if it means some thing already considered, then who used it.
Regarding your quoted statement from the North Carolina Univ., I agree to the Hindi part, i.e. that Hindi was "chosen" from a "base" of Hindustani with Sanskrit vocabulary, specifically. However, the statement tells little about the fact that Urdu as a standard was already well-established at that time and therefore for Pakistan, distinguishing between Hindustani and Urdu made little sense. In fact it was in India where it took some time after independence for people to accept the term Hindi and say it to be their mother tongue. See the bottom of this link from GoI- I hope you understand this subtle point I am trying to make. Maquahuitl (talk) 20:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant by my sentence was that Hindavi was an earlier name for Hindustani
Yes, therefore I shall just be tagging those articles right now, and the discussion about the actual merger, etc. can keep going on. Apart from that, I hope you must have noticed that Tuncrypt has overwritten my box entitled "Topics related to Hindustani(Hindi-Urdu) diasystem" to "Topics related to Hindi". So now Hindustani topics is actually a redirect to Hindi topics. I say keep all arguments and debates on Hindustani, Hindi, Urdu, etc. aside, couldn't there have been just more boxes as it pleased- i.e. a "Hindi" box and an "Urdu" box by him, and then a discussion on the usage and utility of all three could have been carried out. Why was there a need to overwrite the box which I created. I found an interesting page in the Wikipedia namespace, see if you find it interesting too. Maquahuitl (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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I created the project page keeping in mind the fact that a coherent approach towards the Hindi languages and its associated creoles is needed. However I now doubt whether it will attract enough people. Moreover with so much of controversy surrounding Hindi,Urdu and the rest, I now doubt if it will be fruitful at all. Kindly delete the page if you agree with me, or please get it by someone else. I am sorry for the mistake. Maquahuitl (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Re: Bihari people
Though the intention surely was reducing confusion, your merger of Biharis to Bihari people was probably not very appropriate. There are millions and millions of Bihari people living in Bihar, who should be identified as linguistic and geographic group. The Biharis/Bihari Muslims/Stranded Pakistanis ideally is identified as a political and religious entity. This is not a regular diaspora. Besides, over-riding the discussion (which is put to WP:RFC) and bringing is a completely new set of consideration without going through the problem first was slightly disruptive. May be you should participate in the discussion first. There are other editors taking part in the discussion, and there is no harm in being respectful to that community effort. Thanks. Aditya(talk • contribs)08:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Salaam! I just noticed that you had added an estimate on the Roma people article for the number of Romanies in India, nearly a year ago [17]. I know it's sourced, but it's based on the number of Banjara in India. The Banjara aren't Romani per se, though they may be closely related. According to Prof. Hancock, at least, there are no Romanies known to live in India.
This page in a nutshell: The Banjara are closely related, but they may not actually be Romanies. Also, there are probably other Romanies in India no one knows about. But hey, I could be missing something, too :)
Yes, I thought this might be the reason. I suspect that is a mistake on the part of that website, but I could be wrong :-P
I would guess the Banjara could easily be confused with Romanies, because they are thought to be closely related. In Prof. Hancock's theory, the Romanies are descended (partly) from Rajputs whom the Ghaznavids took as prisoners of war. The Banjara have a legend that they, too, are descended from Rajputs who fought against the Ghaznavids.
In fact, apparently part of the legend says that some of the Rajput soldiers left (as prisoners) through the Hindu Kush, and those who remained in India formed the Banjara "tribe." Presumably, the Romanies are descended from those who left.
So the Banjara are thought to be closely related to the Romanies, but they aren't quite Romanies. There probably are actual Romanies in India as well, because the Portuguese deported many Romanies to their colonies, including their colonies in India. No one seems to know what became of them, though. --Kuaichik (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, so much for that! [18] I discuss the change with you (who put it up in the first place), we agree, and then this Romanian guy reverts me without bothering to read!
Not that I think there's anything we can do about it. He almost never listens to me; in fact, he rarely listens to anyone but those who always agree with him. I just thought I'd point this out anyway. --Kuaichik (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I saw your name listed at the WikiProject Pakistan'smember page. With your recent interests in Bollywood movies, I see you are contributing little to project changes. Why not make a contribution towards WikiProject Pakistan. In the main navigation on the right-hand-side, you may find a link to Cinema in Pakistan. Why not start that WikiProject. Please leave a comment here to demonstrate your interest.
For some time, we have been able to make significant changes on the Wikipedia pages relating to Pakistan and have had mixed success but lesser input. It is time that all the members join their heads together and come up with exciting ways to work on the project. I hope to see you around on WikiProject Pakistan. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunreginald (talk • contribs) 15:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pakistani articles
You should be aware that the there were significant Muslim population in Indian states of Bihar, Uttar Pradesh etc before migration to Pakistan from India in 1947. Likewise Punjab and Sindh province of Pakistan had Hindu population. Just comparing Uttar Pradesh or Bihar article to Saraiki people that you reverted as vandalism is surprising. Since there is no mention of 25-33% Muslim population migrating to Pakistan. While Pakistani pages have inundated with Indian POV. My changes in Khan Abdul Jabbar Khan and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan have also been revertes as vandalism. You have to expalin your motives. I will be be reverting your changes in few days if don't get any reply. Misaq Rabab (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC) [reply]
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Baba Farid was a Muslim saint (1173–1266) while Sikhism was founded by Nanak (1469–1538), Baba Farid was dead for 400 years before Sikhism was even founded. How can he be a Sikh ? The Sikh gurus took his selective works added into Granth Sahib and revered him. The fact remain he was Muslim saint. There is a section in Fariduddin Ganjshakar page about his reverence in Sikhism. Paknur (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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At nl.wiktionary we had a little problem regarding the proper spelling of the names of months in Hindi. E.g. some people seem to write February just with a ph, others put the dot underneath to make it an f. Do you know if there is an official standard spelling for such things in Hindi?
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Jcwf (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A little personal Hindi question that I hope you'll want to answer
Sorry if this is not the kind of place to ask this kind of question, but there is no one I know personally to ask this Hindi question. I have a friend who is under the impression that both "मेरा" and "मैंने" means "my" in Hindi, but I learned that "मैंने" is the nominative form of "I" (obviously). My friend is an experienced native speaker of Punjabi and Hindi. Could it be that my friend is confusing Punjabi and Hindi? Or is it that "मैंने" can mean "my" in special circumstances?
Thank you for your time and I apologize if this is an inappropriate question to ask on a Wikipedian's talk page.
Salaam again! You know that vegetable that's called लौकी in Hindustani (or Hindi/Urdu)? How is its name written in Nasta'liq? Is it just لوكی, or is it something else?
I ask because I found the Hindi article and recently added it to calabash[19]. I was wondering whether the Urdu Wikipedia has an article on it. It may very well not have such an article; even on the Hindi Wikipedia, it's just a stub that says "This is a vegetable"! :-D --Kuaichik (talk) 06:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I had looked for لوكی, too. I was just wondering whether maybe I should be looking for some other spelling! شكرِیه & शुक्रिया :) --Kuaichik (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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If it's not troubvle for you, can you please kep an eye on the info box on Pashtun people? I've added some nice pics of Afghan and Pakistani notable Pashtuns but someone (probably banned User:Beh-nam) is keep removing them.--119.30.69.117 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
HI Mr. Anupam, noticing your additions of Punjabi languages in Punjabi related topic is good, but Punjabi in the Gurmukhi script is good enough for India related subjects because it is most widely used in India. Shahmukhi would be just fine for Pakistan Punjabi topics. If you wanna write in all possible modes, the you would have to include Punjabi in Devanagari script too! I guess there's no need for that. Lets just have it in Hurmukhi for India subjects. Hope you don't mind sir. Regards, Layet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Layetkaur (talk • contribs) 15:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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For Heaven's sake, please archive your Talkpage, It's a complete mess.
HINDI: I hope you know that the language which appears after the Name in Bold refers to the Mothertongue of the person. I don't know what made you feel Hindi is her mothertongue. She has no relation with Hindi. Unless and until, she has some native connection with Hindi, adding Hindi is not possible. Please do not add Hindi again as Hindi appearing there is out of question.
If you have added Hindi, because she has acted in a Hollywood-Bollywood Movie, then forget about it. Tomorrow, if she works in a Tamil, Telugu movie; that doesn't mean you add her name in Tamil, Telugu and make it a mess there.
KONKANI: Yes, Konkani may be her mothertongue through her descent. She has some ancestral connection with Mangalore which she acknowledges. But her name is not Freida Pinto in Konkani. She belongs to the Mangalorean Catholic community. Her name is Freida Pinto only in English, not in Konkani. Remember, Mangalorean Catholcs have Konkani variants for their names, which differs from the English variant. Please read Mangalorean Catholics#Names and surnames for more information on variants. So, you'll have to find what's her name in Konkani first and then add it here. If you are not clear, please contact me. KensplanetTC11:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
References for wikipedia articles
Namaste Anupam, hope you are fine. Actually I was wondering something. I am interested in writing about the supposed Hindi languages. But the problem is that not much modern day books are available on these dialects, whether in Hindi or in English. I have managed to find some books, but they are all in Hindi and were probably written 20-30 years ago. They are stored in the Digital Library of India. So are non-English references acceptable for articles in English on Wikipedia? Maquahuitltalk!15:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of material about non-standard Hindi languages like Awadhi, Braj Bhasha, etc. is not available in English but only in Hindi. I don't know if that would be helpful. In any case there is hardly anything substantial about these languages on Wikipedia. Maquahuitltalk!08:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(just passing by) I had some similar problems with spanish and italian sources. What I do is translating part of the text (just the relevant part, can be anywhere from one sentence to a whole paragraph) and posting it on the reference itself (if it's very short) or on the talk page (for long TL:DR parts) or both things (quote the most relevant sentence on the reference, and make a long explanation on the talk page for context). For an example, see Talk:Senyera#colours_vatican_flag --Enric Naval (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Talk:Maundy Thursday
I suggest we remove my last comment and your response from Talk:Maundy Thursday as it's metadiscussion (discussion about the discussion, a perennial blight on Wikipedia) rather than discussion about the matter. I should have dropped a friendly note on your talk page rather than taking issue there. Thanks and good wishes. --Boston (talk) 21:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I am looking for some advices on an AFD about an urdu poet, and I was wondering if you could help. The article about Farooq Bakshi, who is apparently a famous urdu poet, has recently been nominated for deletion because there's almost nothing about him on Google. The author of the article argues that it is because most of the Urdu newspapers don't have websites, and therefore any awards or news about Farooq Bakshi can't be on the internet. However, I'm thinking that by searching for him in Urdu on Google or on BBC Urdu, it should be possible to find something about him. Please can you help or provide advices on this issue? Thank you, Laurent (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Pashto language
There is a problem with saying that Pashto is called Kabuli. Kabuli most often refers to the Persian dialect spoken in Kabul. I could understand that an Indian census would not discriminate between various Iranian languages, but I don't think that the reference you supplied clearly says that Pashto is referred to as Kabuli. Thoughts ? --Bejnar (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. I still don't think that one conglomeration (Afghani/Kabuli/Pashto) by the Indian Census constitutes an adequate basis for an encyclopedic statement that Kabuli is an alternate name for Pashto. In looking at the Ethnologue entry that you provided, I see that it distinguishes PASHTU: Kabuli language from:
Pashto, Southern: Kandahar Pashto,
Pashto, Southern: Qandahar Pashto,
Pashto, Southern: Quetta Pashto,
Pashto, Southern: Southeastern Pashto,,
Pashto, Southern: Southwestern Pashto,
PASHTU: Baluchi, and
PASHTU: Western
The article also notes that some users don't distinguish between PASHTU: Kabuli language and Farsi, Eastern: Dari: Kabuli. The fact that some people don't distinguish, is different than saying that one thing is called another. I do not think that a strong case can be made for calling Pashto by the name Kabuli. --Bejnar (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Pashto & Kabuli
Your claim that "Pashto" and "Kabuli" are synonyms is totally wrong. In fact, you are being contradicted by the Encyclopaedia Iranica, and I doubt that you can find any scholastic or official source that could eventually support your claim. "Kabuli" is the name of a very unique standardized dialect of the Persian language - this is confirmed in the Encyclopaedia Iranica. I frankly ask you to revert that false claim from the intro. Because even if your claim is true, i.e. that Indians call the language "Kabuli" (and I doubt that!), it still does not justify a bold entry in the first sentence of the article. Yuo won't be able to find a single English source supporting this claim. Thank you. Tajik (talk) 20:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam. This is not about footnotes, it's about a totally wrong claim that is being established in the article. The equation of "Pashto" and "Kabuli" neither exists in Persian, nor in Pashto or - and that is the most important of all - in English. This is the English Wikipedia, and only the most common English expressions are to be used. The sources you provide are not realiable and do not fulfill the WP:SOURCE criteria. If the expression is common in Hindi or some other Indian language, then it should be mentioned in the respective Wikipedia. But not in this English language Wikipedia. The Encyclopaedia Iranica is a standard reference work of oriental studies, it is being published by the Columbia University, and it is directly contradicting your claim. "Kabuli" is a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul, the major language of the city. You won't be able to find one scholarly work - in english, Pashto, or Persian - that supports your claim. Tajik (talk) 20:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi and thanks for your comment. The source provided by Massagetae does not support his claim at all. It only says that the Pashto dialects in and near Kabul are designated "Kabuli". That is no surprise at all, because the word Kabuli is Persian for "from Kabul". That's also the reason why the Punjabi dialect of Afghan Hindus is called "Kabuli" and why the term is - almost exclusively - used as a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul. I do not understand why the term should be in the lead. It's not another name for Pashto, it is - at best - only the name of a certain dialect. That's like writing in the lead of the article English language that it is also known as "Texan" and "Baltimorese". Do you understand my point? Anyway, I had not deleted your info. I had moved it into the footnotes. The information simply is not as important as to be inserted in bold letters in the first sentence. Unless you cannot come up with really good sources that would support your claim that it is an established synonym for Pashto (which it is NOT), I will put it back into the footnotes. Tajik (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 76 FAs, 8 FLs, and 148 GAs. We gained new recognized content in each field, with 4 FAs promoted, 2 FLs, and 3 GAs. Congratulations and a big thank you to all those who worked on these articles!
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A prolific editor and administrator, Bhadani is among the top ten Wikipedians by number of edits across the English Wikipedia. Congratulations to Bhadani for also making the most number of edits among Indian Wikipedians!
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Regarding Qaimganj, I was just trying to resolve the situation where there were two copies of the article. If the other name is right then put it there. Gigs (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reply:
If Hindi is a Co official language then go and edit all the Indian articles. And Urdu is only a co-official foreign language in Guntur and Nellore of Coastal Andhra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.66.46 (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why you changed "بھارت" to "ہندوستان" in Urdu translation? and
Why did you placed transliteration of Urdu text (i.e. "ہندوستان کی قومی داراُلحُکومت علاقے کی تشیع مسجدوں کی فہرست") in Hindi (i.e. "हिन्दुस्तान की क़ौमी दारुल हुकूमत इलाके की शिया मस्जिदों की फ़ेहरिस्त") by replacing Hindi translation (i.e. "भारत की राष्ट्रीय राजधानी छेत्र की शिया मस्जिदों की सूची")?
Hi Anupam, I saw you added Urdu names for several people (thanks!) and that you are also a member of Wikiproject India. I wanted to ask whether you could help start an article on the Urdu Wikipedia about Ram Narayan. He lived in Lahore so I think this is a good idea. I don't speak any Urdu but perhaps you want to help and translate the introduction? Thank you! Hekerui (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for responding and the offer! I had asked Faizhaider last year because he is also in WP India, but he declined. I believe I found someone to help me, but thanks again. Hekerui (talk) 09:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Script check
Hello, been a while. There has been some vandalism with the Devanagari and Nastaliq scripts on My Name Is Khan, but I don't know the latter script to tell if it has been fixed. Do you mind checking it? I don't have any sources as to whether the official name of the film is मेरा नाम है खान or मेरा नाम खान है, but it's a relatively minor difference. If you can find a source that would be great too. Thanks - TaxmanTalk14:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help with My Name Is Khan Anupam. I left a longer response on Taxman's page and my page. I hope you will keep this article on your watchlist. It's great to have more editors working on it. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Warning
The Urdu script was not there for a long time and I was not the one who removed it. Now you are adding it without proving that Hindi cinema is actually Hindustani cinema. You are not answering my questions and all the old discussions you cited died a premature death with no consensus. Now, if you want these scripts to be re-added, you must gain consensus and prove your point as two editors oppose to this addition on the talk page. You are not only edit warring and adding an unrelated script, you are also showing that you are unwilling to discuss as you see it as a fact that Hindi cinema is Urdu cinema. You have added, you have to discuss and PROVE. There is no consensus now. Start a new discussion if you want. If you continue that way, I'll start an ANI on you and will take it to an arbitration case if I must. Shahid • Talk2me21:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please also note that you had reverted this edit of mine, which is perfectly supported by a reputable source (Encyclopedia Britannica). If you are claiming that Hindi cinema is not the official name of Bollywood, then you are truly making fun of yourself. Also note, your next revert will be a violation of WP:3RR and will instantly lead to your block. Shahid • Talk2me22:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was not the one who originally removed it. Another user did it and was instantly reverted by you (how surprising). The fact is that there was never a clear consensus that Urdu scripts should be there. There was also a long discussion out of the Bollywood article in which most editors agreed that Urdu scripts should not appear in the lead. Even then, it's been over a year since December 2008. No one ever touched it until you came (how surprising). It clearly shows that you are trying to enforce your views on others. Re-adding the script after over a year is like renewing the dicussion. Now the burden of evidence is again on you. Please prove that Hindi cinema is Urdu cinema. Stop removing the fact that Hindi cinema is the official name of Bollywood, which is sourced. As for the sources you cite, they do not prove it. Saying that Urdu and Hindi are identical only goes against you because it only shows that you are mistaken, and it's got nothing to do with Hindi films. And do remember WP:3RR please. Shahid • Talk2me22:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
First - I did not remove. YOU are the one who added. You say: "I have pointed you to several consensuses of the Wikipedia Community to keep the script" But there is no consensus!! And even if there was, no consensus can override facts. It's been a long time since these scripts broadly disappeared from Bollywood articles. You are now adding them.
Just for the record, what actually matters at the end of the day is the fact that Hindi cinema is Hindi cinema and that's why it is officially called the Hindi-language film industry. Other than that, the discussion on Talk:Bollywood applies only to the Bollywood article. Every film article on which you add an Urdu script must be provided with a source that the ilm is actually in Urdu as well. Shahid • Talk2me23:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, you missed the point here. Scripts will be added when you gain consensus that they can be added, and they will not be included until a decision to readd them is taken. Now these scripts will not be included here. The Bollywood talk page clearly shows a consensus that such scripts should not be included. And you are not here to determine what will be until consensus is reached. You are yet to cite sources that say My Name is Khan specifically is an Urdu film. Also, you are the one who is closer to violating 3RR. If you revert again, I will report you on ANI. Pages should not be loaded with Urdu scripts just because you want to. Shahid • Talk2me18:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Also note that this so-colled poll you have cited million times was declared as dead on this very talk page (see here). There was never consensus as this issue came back every while by different editors. It's been a year since it was broadly removed. Now you have to gain consensus to ADD them, not to keep them. Therefore, to avoid further edit wars and arguments, do not add scripts until consensus is reached. Thanks, Shahid • Talk2me18:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Three points, two warnings
I did not umerge sections, you are the who merged them. Please do not move MY messages. I add them where I want to and you have no right merging sections unless you ask me to. You can notify me about that first.
Read WP:RfC. This is not how an RfC should be started. The structure is incorrect. RfC must be started in a new section which must be completely neutral for everybody to make their decisions, not in a section in which you post a lengthy and incorrect message. You clearly are not familiar with the process of RfC, so please see instructions here
If I ever hurt your feelings in any of my messages, I sincerely apologise. I think you are a nice editor, but we simply disagree, and you too are crossing limits while ignoring my posts, writing the same things and talking about a consensus which never really existed. Taxman is at the end of the day a user just like you and me). I was shocked when I added certificates and you said, "no Wikipedia does not work like that", but when you added scripts which have almost no significant importance, it was OK. If you had asked me to merge sections I would never have had problems with that, but you did not. Now you added a bolded message which clearly shows me in a negative light. Also, I did not change articles to reflect my POV. In fact, it is you who excessively added scripts to articles to reflect your POV. Bollywood is the common name for Hindi cinema, and the lingua franca of Bollywood is Hindi - both you and I know that very well. So the addition of Urdu scripts should not have been made in the first place. The use of Urdu in Hindi films, its history and decline can be added, not the scripts. Shahid • Talk2me00:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Scripts in Bollywood-related film articles - unwanted private correspondence
I received the following message from you by email:
Dear Ogress,
I hope you are doing well. Your comments would be highly appreciated on the Bollywood Talk Page under the section "Scripts in Bollywood-related film articles." There is a campaign among some users to remove all the Urdu scripts from Bollywood film articles. The outcome will be decided by the Wikipedia Community, i.e. whoever comments. Since you are an expert in linguistics I thought you might want to participate in the discussion. Thanks in advance.
My instincts did not disappoint me. You were indeed secretly canvassing users to participate in the discussion. And this will not be spared.
Secondly, I think you miss the point. This discussion is here to prove that Hindi films are actually Hindi-Urdu, not otherwise. The language of the industry is widely, commonly and officially known as Hindi. All these films' certificates and even scripts do not have Urdu. There was never a consensus on this issue, however you try to deny it. This discussion is done to add scripts, not remove them. If you want to edit war, be my guest, try me.
Please stop reverting in Orangi Town. I have lived in Orangi Town so may be I know more about it. The Biharis are Muhajirs and so please stop distinguishing them. The Muhajir identity includes all Urdu speaking people that migrated to Pakistan. The nastaliq script is neither used in most Pakistani related articles in Wikipedia and nor in 200 articles relating to Karachi neighborhoods. If you have any objections then discuss your complaints in talk page.
AlphaGamma1991 (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Warning and note
Anupam, do not speak about a consensus that never was - you better prove your point. I proved that these discussions died a premature death. And it's been a long time ago and since most of the scripts were removed. This discussion is in order to prove that the industry is not only Hindi. Your claims contradict the majority of the sources, the common facts, the main official acknowledgement. Do not use the words of a user who has no right to take any such decisions whatsoever.
Tomorrow I'll start an ANI about your violation of WP:CANVASS. You clearly had contacted a lot of "right" people, including Zora, Raqib, Basawala and now this recent user, to have them supporting your POV. Whether the messages are written in a neutral tone or not, they are unacceptable.
I'm very much diappointed by you. I previously saw a user whose opinions I do not agree with but who is still an honest person. After I found out about your violation of WP:CANVASS, the state of the discussion was more than clear to me. I have no words. Shahid • Talk2me00:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are very wrong:
I have never removed scripts in disguide - in the case of CCCC I wrote cleanup because I made other edits as well. In other cases I clearly indicated my edit.
Secondly, I was never ever "warned" by a beaurocrat. It was never a warning so do not speculate.
Thirdly, you are there edit warring because you are the one who reverts me.
You deviously and massively cavassed the "right" people knowing they would support your claims on the talk page. Zora is one of them, but you've been caught, so whatever there, do not make up stories. You do not know what I was discussing with Blofeld via e-mail. I never came to him for any such thing.
There was never consensus and I cited sources proving why. Taxman has no authority to make decisions. Period.
Not less important - the discussion on Talk:Bollywood does not have results. And as matter of fact, it does not matter. We cannot make such inclusive discussions for an industry which makes so many films per year. My lengthy posts were ignored. So What I think is the right way is: if you add a script to an article, prove that it is actually an Urdu film. Let's be specific. Period. Shahid • Talk2me19:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
LOL you are warning me of WP:CANVASS? That's a great way to throw away your own guilt. Read WP:CANVASS to understand what canvassing is. Oh and if you want to revert my edits, go ahead, do it. I'm waiting curiously. Shahid • Talk2me19:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Anupam, I hold both Shahid and you in high regard for your contributions to wikipedia, and therefore am disheartened seeing recent acrimony and edit-warring between the two of you (I won't attempt apportioning the blame). It reminds me of the internecine "warfare" that took place among WPIndia editors a couple of years back, which finally reached arbcom and resulted in a few editors being banned and worse, many other editors giving up and retiring from wikipedia (ask User:YellowMonkey about it). It would be very sad if the current dispute, which really is over a very minor matter, went down that path. So I would urge both of you (and other involved editors) to take a step back, reconsider if the dispute is the best use of your time and effort, and if you think it's worth pursuing, approach WP:MEDCAB or WP:MEDCOM to get help resolving the dispute. It would be undesirable for both you as individual editors and the WPIndia project, if the dispute escalated much further and resulted in blocks or topic bans. Hope you consider this request (which I am posting on Shahid's page too). Abecedare (talk) 22:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are edit warring about use of Urdu script in film articles
Hello Anupam. I have read WP:AN3#User:Anupam reported by User:Shshshsh (Result: ) and the supporting arguments. It is clear to me that both you and User:Shshshsh have broken our rule against edit-warring, and you could both be blocked. To avoid this outcome, I suggest that you promise to stop adding or removing Urdu script from articles from now until 31 March. If an uninvolved admin closes the discussion about use of Urdu and announces a consensus, then this would settle the matter, and you could resume editing with regard to Urdu. This would allow the 3RR case to be closed with no action against you. The same deal applies to Shshshsh. Let me know what you decide. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Result of the 3RR case
Please see the result of WP:AN3#User:Anupam reported by User:Shshshsh (Result: Both warned), which contains a warning to you. Though Shshshsh would not voluntarily accept the standstill deal on Urdu script, both parties are nonetheless bound by the result of the 3RR. You are welcome to ask for an uninvolved admin to close the discussion on use of Urdu, but until that discussion is formally closed, no more reverts must occur, on either side. If reverting continues, blocks may be issued. Thank you for your voluntary support of the standstill deal. EdJohnston (talk) 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I agree with you. Underoath does not have the same history of avoiding the use Christian as an adjective in relationship to their genre. I don't think it makes much of a difference to them. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I saw your contributions here. I am not sure if the full quote from I Samuel works. It is a bit long, and sort of throws off the flow of the article. Just an opinion, no big deal. But this seems like a subject where there is a lot more to be said. Maybe it deserves an article on its own, summarized in the Ghost article. Something like "Ghosts in Judæo–Christian belief". There seems to be quite a lot of debate about the correct position on the subject. Comments? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am not really qualified to expand the content in this area. If I tried, I would probably just get everybody upset. There are two main reasons for a separate article, neither very compelling. One is that the main Ghost article is highly active, full of controversy over whether this is a "pseudo-science" subject and frequently vandalized. It might be easier to expand and discuss content on Judæo–Christian beliefs (or perhaps it should be Abrahamic beliefs) in a quieter space with less risk of vandalism and with a discussion area focused on the subject - which may also be controversial, but for entirely different reasons. The other is that the main Ghost article should give a balanced overview, and ideally would just be a series of summaries of more specialized articles. I could see coverage of this aspect getting quite large, perhaps excessively so since ghost belief is not as significant in the monotheistic religions as it was with the old animist religions and is with Hinduism or Buddhism. So there could be advantages. But I don't think I am going to start it, just thought you might want to. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Your undue Dilazak Page Edits
Dear Anupam
By now I have seen all your efforts for Wikipedia. I am compelled to write few words in a direct way because I see one person with either one point agenda or a pseudo styled Master of all sciences. Please forgive me but your edits without due knowledge and without reading my discussion page are quite unnecessary. We in Asia take our ancestry from Father side and not from Mother side. A tribe in our world is not by speaking a particular language but by the genes one carries. You though Indian don't seem to know this little fact. Moreover, You seem inclined to prove Afghans as Hindic people. Sorry but you are you and We are We. Also you time and again revert my page with your edits" The Dilazak are found in Afghanistan and Pakistan" whereas there is hardly any Dilazak in Afghanistan, if you know their history. I gave you reference to Ishhat Khan's website in Utterperdesh who is Dilazak and there are many many more in India. Please do not edit unless you discuss first. I will surely complaint against you in very near future but till then please don't try to mix yourself with US. RegardsDilazak1 (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Anupam, just doing some browsing and ran across the very nice article you expanded on the Dard people. Those old British books can be quite an interesting resource. Thanks. Joshdboz (talk) 18:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually reading The Gilgit Game, a really excellent book on 19th century exploration of the Pamirs by John Keay, and naturally much of the research at that time was on the relatively unknown Dards and Dardic languages, especially by the likes of G.W. Leitner. I was curious to see if we had some relevant article coverage, and was pleasantly surprised to see we did. It's quite a region, now if it only becomes safe enough to visit... Best, Joshdboz (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Anupam, I have been told to contact someone at Wikipedia pakistan after writing to one of the admins on Wikipedia English. This is what are my concern about an article, I am merely pasting what I had written on the English section, I would need your feedback.
"Dear sir, I have spent quite some time collecting information about Thathaals,. I did not find any information other than wikipedia article pasted on certain sites. I also belong to the same clan and very much occupied to know about my origin. Here is my opinion about the article.
This article is nothing but a crap, there are certain people who are busy "creating history" rather than reflecting history. The real purpose of this article is shown by the this sentence (paragraph " modern history, last sentence)" However, now, at present there is no difference between other Rajput Jat tribes and the great Thathaals.
People behind this article are too much occupied to establish "Thathaal" as Jatt clan,rather than Rajput. the truth is that caste is a herditary thing, one can not change it, you are born in one caste, and you can't change that "fact". The article had started as Thothaal which was correct, but later the title of the article has been changed. second thing about Thothal is that they are not Jat but rajput, this was correctly mentioned by some earlier editor in the "View history".
The article start with the claim that "They are said to be descendants of legendary Raja Karan Singh of the Mahabharata[2]." The truth is that Karan Singh (Karna) is never mentioned as Karan Singh in the Whole book Mahabharata. He is just mentioned karna and not having any surname, like all other charachters in the book. The word Singh( means "lion") was introduced by Rajput about one thousand year after the Mahabharata was written.
Second claim: Thathaals claim their kinship with a Suryavanshi Rajput Raja Karan Singh through his son Raja Thathoo, In Mahabharata we learn that Karna had nine sons (One does not need to read whole Mahabharata, this could be checked in wiki article about Karna], but none of his son had name "Thathoo".
"Some of the persons from Thathaal tribe converted to Islam during period of Mehmood of Ghazna[4]". there is no proof for this. In fact this could be checked in any Indian history book, Mehmood never stayed in India, he just invaded and plundered India several times and left back to Ghazni, Afghanistan.
The village "Mohmud Chak " is not the right name, the real name is "Mehmad Chak" and nothing to do with "Essa Khan Mohmand". There are many people from " Mehmad chak" living in Norway. In fact, none of the "reference" could be checked to find that if the reference support the claim. there are only six "working" which could be checked ( five of those are sorted by me and those are about villages and one about adil khan)
THE TRUTH ABOUT THATHAAL: The true word is "Thothal" and not "Thathaal", this I learend when in 2000 I wanted to sell some property in my home country, I went to the court to sign documents, I found that my caste was written "Thothal" and not "Thathal", I asked them to "correct" it, but I was told, "you people may like to call yourself whatever you like but in the official papers you are registered as Thothal", second thing I learned that we are Rajputs and not Jatts. When I come back to Norway, I contacted the oldest man from " Thothal( Thathal)" clan. I was told "there was a king of Kashmir ( the kingdom of karna is not Kashmir but Anga (present day Bhagalpur ), whose name was Karan singh, the real time of Karan Singh is unknown. Karan singh had a son whose name was " Thotho" add NOT "Thathoo" as mentioned in the article. The descendants of Thotho were called Ththo-Al. Al means "descendant". Thotho-al means " the descendant of Thotho. With the passage of time the word Thotho-al became Thothal."
Many people called themselve Thathal because they either don´t know the real word or they just speak carelessly. The word which is registerd in the official documents like at muncipal committees is Thothal and NOT Thathal. As far it goes for the villages, I did not find village with the name thathaal, but I found a village with the name" Thothal". I have problem accepting the later history of Thothals, because there is no source which could be checked. I am fairly well informed when it comes to my background , but i never learned these stories which are mentioned in the article. There is a book which have been mentioned as a source which is " A Glossary of the Tribe and casts of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Provinces by E.D. Maclagan and H.A. Rose", Here is the link to the book, http://openlibrary.org/books/OL14009905M/glossary_of_the_tribes_and_castes_of_the_Punjab_and_North-West_frontier_province.# . One can read this book online, I did not find anything about those claims which are in the article. Sorry, for writing so much. In fact I want to edit the article and delete almost 95% of the article because the claims are not justfied, but I havn't done anything because i don't want to get in trouble or get accusation for vendalism" Regards.Jogibaba (talk) 09:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Sorry to disappoint you but I already have admin approval (See here). BTW, I would not tolerate such insults even if they were directed to you, so I'm disappointed that you insist on having them. Also, you not only reverted me and restored the other user's attacks, you also reverted some of my modifications of MY edits, and it is unacceptable. Shahid • Talk2me20:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are very very wrong. The discussion concerned SCRIPTS, not languages
First, you reverted me describing my edits as vandalism and it is actually an act of vandalism from your side. Second, all the discussions, all the arguments and even the final administrative decision was in regards to scripts and only SCRIPTS. As for the language of the films, it is Hindi and it is a fact which is not questionable by any means. Go see the film's official certificate. If you can prove that PKGspecifically is an Urdu movie, then go ahead, make my day. I did NOT remove the Urdu script itself, and no admin would be able to prohibit others from modifying language fields, because it's the most factual thing out there. If I must, I'll take it to WP:FILM and even turn to higher authorities on Wikipedia. Also, do not make an important figure of yourself by threatening me like this, you don't scare me, friend, so feel free to do whatever you want, but beware of edit wars because this time it will not turn out to be so good for you. And don't think your canvassing has been forgotten, it will be noted and reported again (as I found you have been doing it many a time down history). You contacted secretly people who share the same point of view as yours, and that's what created a true mess despite the fact that several editors, who were NOT canvassed, opposed to having scripts. I accept the fact that no consensus exists and scripts cannot be added or removed, but the languages of films is more than clear and does not need consensus in the first place. Hope I was clear. Shahid • Talk2me15:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are repeating your usual mantra od speculations, just copying an old message you sent me on Talk:Bollywood. How can you prove that I reported Himalatyan Explorer about that? Can you? Did Yellow Monkey came to the discussion? (He does not een understand in Hindi and Urdu stuff to begin with and I merely informed him about what I was doing). While YOU have gone on sending messages to people to come and support you. You are using Taxman's name and position while he is not even an uninvolved party in the discussion (he clearly thanked you once for adding scripts). You have been warned a few years ago for canvassing, and even the spam messages you sent to people who think just like you, such as Zora and the user who found your canvassing improper, returned back to you. And there was never consensus on the issue, and I proved why. User:Taxman, who shares you point of view, does not take deicisons here. You are also stalking me, which is quite funny. My edit will NOT be reverted, and if it is, not for a long time. Feel free to contact whoever you want. We have only discussed scripts and NOT languages. That's where it ends. Shahid • Talk2me21:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another speculation. Your violations were once skipped, but only once, trust me. You don't even understand the meaning of a Bureaucrat and have been wikilawyering as it's been confirmed by an admin in a surprising e-mail I got some time ago. My block log is none of your business. Even the admin who blocked me apologised for doing so and said I am a constructive editor, not that I feel like justifying to someone like you. I don't go around adding useless scripts. I contribute to this project without having to enforce biased views. Cheers. Shahid • Talk2me21:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's funny! Open your eyes. It was only two blocks. The first one was a mistake and the admin unblocked me twice.If you wanna know what my reputation and accomplishments are, have a look at my user page. Still, it is none of your business so you can go and do what you are best at, adding scripts and cavassing people. I even see old warnings of canvassing here on your very talk page. As I said, do try to read and understand the meaning of a bureaucrat before throwing Taxman's name into every discussion. I received a mail from an admin who totally agreed with what I say now, so people know you are not as innocent as you try to look. Secondly Taxman is not an uninvolved party in the issue. You were just citing the same previous old discussions stating "consensus!", while I proved why there was NO consensus, analysing every link of yours. As for my report about you, by saying that it was unconvincing you are putting words into the mouth of the closing admin, and this will be reported one day. At the end of it you were warned and the result spoke to both you and me. At least I did everything with sheer honesty, and did not resort to secret e-mail messages to solve my problem and enforce my POV.
As for my edit, it is perfectly fine. All our discussions and the last decision by EdJohnston were about SCRIPTS. The language of the film is Hindi, not Urdu, and that's a fact that does not even need discussion, unless you could start a discussion for every specific film and prove its language is Urdu (in this case, it's Piya Ka Ghar, and if you see its certificate, it says HINDI). You can go and report this and do whatever you want, I did nothing wrong as I did NOT remove the Urdu script, trust me, I'll know what to say and whom to call. EOD. Shahid • Talk2me06:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I wrote a message here under the title of Thathaal, and wanted some feedback from Anupam. Because he is from Indian subcontinent, moreover he is supposed to have something to do with the history. I wanted him to comment in the discussion about Thathaal, but he seems to be busy fighting some Indian/Pakistani war here. Sorry for disturbing you guys, have fun.Jogibaba (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Anupam for the message, I think there has been some misunderstanding. The article Thathaal is not my creation, on the contrary, I have objection to that article. I have written my objections in the "Discussion" area. I believe, that article is just a crap, needs an excessive editing. Can you please read that article, and give your comments in the discussion area.Jogibaba (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. In March you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Another publisher that reuses Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows23:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Anupam, I saw your addition to the Khalistan movement page with the gurmukhi/devnagari version of the term "Tehrik-e-Khalistan". I think you had good intentions but I reverted them because I've never seen the movement referred to as such, and it sounds a bit too Islamic (like Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, for instance. it might bring certain connotations. it seems more like a Persian/Urdu phrase than anything). If you can find a more popular neutral Punjabi term for it used by those in the movement or any sort of news media, I'd suggest that. (perhaps Tehrik-e-Khalistan can be seen as neutral, but there ought to be more-often-used names than that.)
Anupam, you must step back a bit from your attempt to dominate the Robbie Mannheim page. We all agree your work has been much, but you now need to start listening to the concensus we have been reaching over there.
You have no right to stick in just anything you see fit! YOU must also consult with us about what goes in and how to restructure the article. It isn't your sole possession, it matters to us as well.
Your weakness is you want to put everything you read about this case into the article. That is not necessary for it to be appropriately encyclopedic.
You want to push the Christian aspect too far. Yes it matters to the case, but the line you insist on reverting is offensive to Spiritualists and is unnecessary, like so much of what you want done over there.
You are not clarifying the unverified claims and stories in that article as separate from the little fact that exists. The FACT is the Church acknowledges an exorcism, says it was a teen boy around 1949, Father Halloran has added some recollections and that is ALL. Everything else is unverified anecdotal reporting...the OPPOSITE of established fact.
You need to understand this work is not yours alone just because you are a reviewer. You have to cooperate like any other editor and work better. Instead you are polite, vry calm, but you still do only what you want to do at that page. We are not going to tolerate this stubbornness.76.195.82.134 (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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