Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Lawrence Wong Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as the prime minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured). Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, is hospitalised after an assassination attempt. Switzerland, represented by Nemo with "The Code", wins the Eurovision Song Contest. A series of solar storms impact Earth, creating aurorae seen farther from the poles than usual. Former prime minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for attempting to pervert the course of justice. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline War in Sudan timeline Recent deaths: Gudrun Ure Arthur Irving Alice Munro Birubala Rabha Jasper White A. J. Smith view — page history — related changes — edit

Glossary Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story. Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story. A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles. Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage. The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death. All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality. Nomination steps Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC). Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate. Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready! You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination. The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted. Headers When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria. Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A. If satisfied, change the header to (Posted). Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted). Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled). Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items: Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors. Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.

July 11

Portal:Current events/2023 July 11

July 11, 2023 (2023-07-11) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive Russian Lieutenant General Oleg Tsokov is reportedly killed by a missile strike near Berdiansk, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (CNN) Mexican drug war Suspected drug cartel members set off bombs targeting police officers in Tlajomulco de Zúñiga, Jalisco, Mexico, killing six people (four officers and two civilians) and injuring 12 others. (Reuters) Business and economy Proposed acquisition of Activision Blizzard by Microsoft United States judge Jacqueline Scott Corley approves technology company Microsoft's $69 billion acquisition of video game publisher Activision Blizzard, the largest video game acquisition in history, dismissing the Federal Trade Commission's antitrust injunction request. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A Manang Air helicopter touring the Himalayas crashes near Solukhumbu, Koshi Province, Nepal, killing all six on board. (Reuters) Two people are killed and 11 others are injured when an elevated road collapses in Bangkok, Thailand. (AP) Montpelier, Vermont, United States, receives extensive flooding after the Wrightsville Dam exceeds capacity. (Reuters) International relations Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis Azerbaijan's State Border Service temporarily closes the Lachin corridor, the only road between Armenia and the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, alleging smuggling by the Armenian Red Cross Society. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Foreign relations of Hong Kong, Foreign relations of Japan The Hong Kong government threatens to ban marine products from multiple prefectures if Japan pursues its plan to discharge treated radioactive waste water from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant into the Pacific Ocean. (AP) Australia–Vietnam relations The Vietnamese government releases Australian democracy activist Chau Van Kham from a 12-year prison sentence on terrorism charges following an appeal by Australian prime minister Anthony Albanese. (AP) Law and crime LGBT rights in Japan The Supreme Court overturns the restroom use restrictions that the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry imposed on a trans woman employee, marking the court's first ruling on LGBT working conditions. (AP) Six people are killed and four others are injured during a mass shooting at a home in Kwanobuhle, Eastern Cape, South Africa. (Reuters) Two German nationals are arrested and charged in the dismemberment death of German businessman Hans Peter Walter Mack in Pattaya, Thailand with a Pakistani-Thai national on the run. Two other German nationals are detained as suspects in relation to the case. (The Star (Malaysia) Politics and elections Thai prime minister Prayut Chan-o-cha announces his retirement from political office. (CNA) Science and technology The Anthropocene Working Group identifies Crawford Lake near Milton, Ontario, Canada, as the origin of the proposed Anthropocene epoch due to its varves which provide a comprehensive geologic record of recent environmental change. (AFP via Daily Tribune) Sports Testosterone regulations in women's athletics The European Court of Human Rights rules in favor of South African runner Caster Semenya, stating that Semenya's previous appeals against World Athletics' testosterone regulations were inadequately reviewed, potentially enabling her to recontest these rules due to her hyperandrogenism. (Reuters)

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Global temperature records broken

Articles: Weather of 2023 (talk · history · tag) and List of weather records (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Global temperature records for the day, week and month are broken as a result of global warming and El Niño. (Post)
News source(s): Hottest day, Hottest week, Hottest June, Why so hot?,
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 70.68.168.129 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Temperature records for the globe are being broken on a daily basis, the WMO has announced the hottest week on record and last month was the hottest June ever. We have heatwaves all over with more to come as a result of El Niño. But we don't seem to have a single good target article. I've found what I can to make a start but feel that we need the assistance of some weather experts such as Femke, please. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but currently oppose on quality / update grounds: It's in the news, but the article linked is a general one about weather records, and does not cover the current heat records, except as date entries in tables. Articles should have up-to-date relevant prose to be featured ITN, in my view. Sandstein 08:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes. The current blurb seems to be vague in that regard, I suspect we're talking about global average temperature, but it currently redirects to Global temperature record. Perhaps either a standalone article or a section inside existing one should be created. Brandmeister^talk 10:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - in le news. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Support, kind of surprised there is no ongoing story climate change, as it creates a new content for Wikipedia every single week :) Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Climate change is far too broad to be ongoing. No real start or end date, very loose definitions as to what constitutes it. Better to just leave it to the occasional blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Anthropogenic effects leading to permanent changes in the climate.

And yes, sometimes it's harder to tell, but "record amount of hurricanes" or "warmest XYZ" is almost certainly climate change and would be encyclopedic. (but repetitive 🙂) Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Still too broad for ITN. It would practically be ongoing for the next 100 years. Not really what ITN is for. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Support per above. However agree with Sandstein that we should improve the target article. — Czello ^(music) 09:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 Vilnius summit

Article: 2023 Vilnius summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ World leaders meet at Vilnius, Lithuania for a NATO summit to discuss Ukraine and Sweden's membership, as well as the ongoing Russo-Ukrainian war. (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Prodraxis (talk · give credit)
• Created by Herreshoffian (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mindaur (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Well, it is a recurring meeting where important world leaders discuss important, pressing issues in the world. So, why not put it on the Main Page? — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 01:15, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait Until the summit has actually occurred. Currently, the article has nothing detailing what is going on, because it isn't going on. (Side note: the article you put at the top of the ITN candidate template is always bolded.) Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Our past approach to any such world leader meeting is to see if there are any significant achievements made by the end of the event and then we'll post that. It should be clear that either Ukraine or Sweden joining NATO is very much ITN-quality material, but we need a definitive on that. Masem (t) 01:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

@Masem, @Fakescientist8000 Ok, understood :) I'm new to this whole ITN thing, and I do certainly agree that Ukraine or Sweden joining NATO would be certainly ITN-worthy. In the meantime, I will continue editing and updating the article. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 01:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose unless something comes out of it. Banedon (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Until after the summit, if anything were to come out of it. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support more in the news and influiental than some of the events currently in ITN.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose These summits are exactly the kind of things that we don't and should never post. If they agreed to admit Sweden in NATO, we can post it when the country actually joins.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support -- influential and important, and has the potential to finally see Sweden join NATO. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:58, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose have we ever posted a local military alliance summit before? I dont see why we should start now. (Personal attack removed) Daikido (talk) 07:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
  • You should probably strike this comment, accusing users here of canvassing is a direct violation of WP:AGF. Edit: Signing my comment and directly requesting (rather than just suggesting) that you remove your use of an ableist slur at the end of your comment. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:4048:BA85:DEB4:B3D8 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Totally agree with Kiril Simeonovski. I've been watching this space for when the inevitable nom would come, and this is not on the ITN level. I'll be back to support a blurb when we Sweden actually joins NATO. cart-Talk 07:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news and the article is looking good for a new article with 50 editors, 44 citations and lots of content. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. It's important world news, the article is decent, and there's little else to post currently. Bolsonaro, France, etc. are already yesterday's news. Sandstein 08:32, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

  We don't make exceptions to what we normally don't post just because the current period in news is slow or stale. That's a slippery slope for several other major exceptions. Masem (t) 12:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose until there's a significant result (Sweden/Ukraine joining). Perhaps consider removing some of the older stuff from the box? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 08:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose all talk, but nothing changes as a result. Also since Russia's invasion such meetings are WP:ROUTINE. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Covered by ongoing, literally just a meeting of global leaders, like G7. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose routine and meeting is not noteworthy, only potential conclusions would be noteworthy. Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Plenty of media coverage [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. The summit is already significant for opening a way for Sweden to become a NATO member. It is also significant as unprecedented NATO support for Ukraine is being announced. Mindaur (talk) 09:36, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

  3, 7, 8, 10, 13 fail verification, they link to a Ukraine war news feed. it's not a link to an article about the summit.

  6, 9, 11, 12 fails relevance, the news story is Turkey becoming approving of Sweden or something else adjacent, not the summit, the summit is more of an afterthought. Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

July 10

Portal:Current events/2023 July 10

July 10, 2023 (2023-07-10) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces strike a residential area in Orikhiv, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, killing seven civilians and injuring 11 others, according to Governor Yuriy Malashko. (Reuters) Russian military commissariats attacks Stanislav Rzhitsky, deputy chief in charge of military mobilization in the Russian city of Krasnodar and commander of the Russian Navy submarine B-265 Krasnodar, is shot dead near the city's sports complex. (The Guardian) (Reuters via The Jerusalem Post) Business and economy European Union–United States relations The European Commission and the U.S. government sign a new data communication agreement aimed at resolving legal uncertainties that European and American companies face when transferring personal data. However, non-profit organization NOYB plans to challenge the agreement. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents European migrant crisis Spain's Maritime Safety and Rescue Society rescues 86 people from a pirogue off the Canary Islands after human rights defender Helena Maleno reports that three boats carrying around 300 people from Senegal have gone missing since June. (AP via VOA) Six people are killed and three others are reported missing after heavy rains trigger landslides in Kyushu and Chūgoku, Japan. (The Guardian) Two people are killed and six others are injured when a building catches fire in Leishan County, Guizhou, China. (The Guardian) Health and environment Effects of climate change The World Meteorological Organization reports that the Earth experienced its hottest week on record at the beginning of July, attributing the unprecedented temperatures to climate change and the early stages of El Niño. (AFP via RFI) In a study published in the medical journal Nature Medicine, researchers from the Barcelona Centre for International Health Research and Inserm estimate that Europe's record heat waves in 2022 resulted in 61,672 deaths. (AP) Volcanism of Iceland Icelandic volcano Litli-Hrútur begins erupting. (Metro) International relations Enlargement of NATO Sweden–NATO relations Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan agrees to send Sweden's NATO accession protocol to the Grand National Assembly. (AP) China–Solomon Islands relations China and the Solomon Islands sign a cooperation agreement between the People's Police and the Royal Solomon Islands Police Force during Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare's official visit to Beijing in an effort to strengthen their "comprehensive strategic partnership". (Reuters) North Korea–United States relations North Korea threatens to shoot down any U.S. reconnaissance aircraft breaching its airspace following U.S. plans to deploy a ballistic missile submarine near Korea. (AFP via France 24) Iran and weapons of mass destruction, Nuclear program of Iran The U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence says that Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon. However, it also warns that Iran has ramped up activities that could help develop one. (AP) Law and crime School attacks in China Six people, including three children, are killed and another person is injured in a mass stabbing at a kindergarten in Lianjiang, Guangdong. The suspect is detained by the police. (India Today) German businessman Hans Peter Walter Mack, 62, suspected of running a child sex trafficking ring in Thailand, is found mutilated with a chainsaw in a freezer in Pattaya. (Metro) Politics and elections 2023 Dutch general election Prime Minister Mark Rutte announces his retirement from politics following the collapse of his cabinet. (AP) 2023 Uzbek presidential election Uzbek authorities announce that incumbent president Shavkat Mirziyoyev has been re-elected with 87.1% of the votes. (Reuters)

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(Reopened) Ongoing: 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

Article: 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Protests reignite in Israel as Netanyahu pushes new judicial reform bill France24 Viele der Hightech-Branche ... kündigten an Ihren Angestellten für die Proteste frei zu geben (Many High Tech companies announced, they'd allow their employees to take part in the protests SRF
Credits:

• Nominated by Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Misha Wolf (talk · give credit), Pdhadam (talk · give credit), Totalstgamer (talk · give credit) and Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: In Israel, there are weekly largescale protests with over 100'000 participants going on since months. the protests are over a judicial reform which would allow criminally charged politicians such as Benyamin Netanyahu to seize control over the judiciary. Israels President Herzog mediated a dialogue between supporters and opponents to the reform project in March, but Netanyahu pushes forward since late June. The protests are likely escalating as a vote on the reform is expected for tomorrow, Monday and companies will give their employees free to be able to protest. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Conditional oppose - Article hasn't been updated in 10 days. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I have updated it today. Just check the edit history. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, isn't it still July 10th? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Article is lacking the regular/daily updates necessary for an ongoing item. There's nothing on any protests since the 1st of the month. The Kip (talk) 19:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - not getting updates and no longer all that widely covered. nableezy - 19:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not widely covered, and has not been updated recently. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 00:06, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

The opposes per "not updated" and "per above" are invalid as the article is getting updated. I am contesting the close but I do not know how.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I have reopened the discussion as I have updated the article before and after the nomination. The article also received regular major (more than a 500 bytes) updates in the month of July here, here, here, here, by different editors in the month July. Some even specifically mentioning protests in July. So the votes with arguments like the article has not been updated in 10 days or there is nothing since the 1 of this month and the per above arguments I don't see as valid points to make.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Mirziyoyev remains president of Uzbekistan

Article: 2023 Uzbek presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shavkat Mirziyoyev remains the president of Uzbekistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Uzbekistan, Shavkat Mirziyoyev (pictured) is re-elected president.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After an election widely seen as neither free nor fair, Shavkat Mirziyoyev remains the president of Uzbekistan.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Shavkat Mirziyoyev retains his position as the president of Uzbekistan.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Needs more prose. Wording of proposed blurb to reflect sham election and de facto authoritarian rule. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I don't think we should be attempting to WP:RGW by changing the standard election blurb to reflect a sham election. It's an election either way, and I'm not even sure we have prior consensus to have blurbs be the defining line between real vs. fraud elections. Seems like a WP:NPOV issue, too. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  Quality wise, the article needs quite a bit of work in the length department. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:21, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  Added altblurb that doesn't violate WP:RGW or WP:NPOV. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Conditional oppose - Article remains dodgy. Also, the fact that this election was essentially a sham brings down notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I'm not sure what's significant about a dictator staying in power, in an authoritarian one-party nation. Nfitz (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment If this is about the 2023 Uzbek presidential election, this should be reflected in the blurb language. Still ITN/R even if it's a sham election (we post them for Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc). Blurb shouldn't be RGW. I'd say I support on notability as it's still a general "election", but that's what ITN/R is for. It's definitely not ready on quality, though. Counted 8 sentences in the article across 3 sections.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I am not sure if some dictator whom we all knew would win won, see, the DPRK re-elects Kim Jong-Un every five year, did we post about it ever? no, and about Putin being re-elected in 2020? also no, and so on, and so on. Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  We actually did post Putin's re-"election" (it was in 2018).  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, my bad, but you get the point.Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - we actually have precedent of WP:IAR not posing sham elections like this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Rockstone35 such as..? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• I'll see if I can dig it up, it was a while ago. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
• Found it. We did post it, but we didn't imply it was an election. Turkmenistan's election of 2022. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:16, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support. I know no one else seems to agree, but this IS an election, sham or not. The readers can decide of they care or not about this fact. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

  I agree, at least now I do. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt3, national elections are treated as ITN/R, free or no This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt2 It is ITNR but I also understand the concern of Rockstone. So alt2 is a possibility to raise awareness on environment the elections were held in. If this alt2 goes against the rules, I support alt3.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I'm more concerned that the article is in extremely poor shape with absolutely no information on the results and the allegations that the election wasn't free and fair.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:02, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's technically an election, but it's not in the news, because nobody doubted the outcome and therefore no major media write about it. Sandstein 08:34, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

July 9

Portal:Current events/2023 July 9

July 9, 2023 (2023-07-09) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war War against the Islamic State The United States Central Command announces that a MQ-9 Reaper drone strike killed a senior Islamic State leader, Usamah al-Muhajir, in eastern Syria two days ago. (Reuters) At least eight people are killed by two separate car bombings in northern Syria. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Somali Civil War The United States Department of Defense announces that ten Al-Shabaab members were killed today by airstrikes near Afmadow, Jubaland, Somalia. (CNN) Disasters and accidents Fifteen people are killed by landslides and flooding across northern India. (Al Jazeera) Ten people are killed and 30 others are injured when a bus falls off a bridge into a river in North Central Province, Sri Lanka. (Xinhua) Seven people are killed and twelve others are injured when a gas cylinder explosion causes a three-story building to collapse in Jhelum, Punjab, Pakistan. (Dunya News) Three people are killed when a small Cessna plane crashes in Eastern Region, Iceland. (Iceland Monitor) One person is killed and an unknown number of others are missing as a result of floods caused by torrential rains in Hudson Valley, New York, United States. (The New York Times) A jet bridge collapses at the Dublin Airport in Ireland, damaging an American Airlines Boeing 787 aircraft. (Irish Times) International relations New Zealand–European Union relations New Zealand signs a free trade agreement with the European Union, which is expected to increase EU exports to the South Pacific nation by €4.5 billion a year. (AFP via RTÉ) 15th BRICS summit South African President Cyril Ramaphosa confirms that the upcoming BRICS summit in Johannesburg will be conducted in-person for the first time since 2019, despite an International Criminal Court arrest warrant against Russian president Vladimir Putin. However, Ramaphosa does not state whether Putin will attend the summit. (AFP via The Moscow Times) Poland–Ukraine relations President of Poland Andrzej Duda and President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy commemorate the victims of the 1943 massacres in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia at a ceremony held at the Saint Peter and Paul Cathedral in Lutsk, Ukraine. (DW) Law and crime British public broadcaster BBC suspends a male presenter over allegations of sexual misconduct involving a minor, which the BBC first became aware of two months ago. (CNN) Politics and elections 2023 Gabonese general election President Ali Bongo Ondimba announces his bid for a third term in office. (AFP via The Guardian) 2024 Salvadoran general election President Nayib Bukele formalizes his presidential re-election campaign with the Nuevas Ideas political party. (AP) 2023 Uzbek presidential election Uzbeks vote for a president following the approval of the constitutional referendum which reset term limits, allowing incumbent president Shavkat Mirziyoyev to serve two more seven-year terms. (AFP via France 24) Sports 2023 LPGA Tour 2023 U.S. Women's Open In golf, American Allisen Corpuz wins the 78th U.S. Women's Open at the Pebble Beach Golf Links in Pebble Beach, California, United States, after firing a three-under 69 to finish on nine under, three shots ahead of England's Charley Hull and South Korea's Jiyai Shin. (BBC Sport)

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RD: Benno C. Schmidt Jr.

Article: Benno C. Schmidt Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/nyregion/benno-schmidt-jr-dead.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American academic. Article looks good aside from two uncited things. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Alain Besançon

Article: Alain Besançon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro, Onet
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sovietologue and expert on the history of Christianity as well as anti-totaliarism. Needs expansion but lots of sources present, German and French Wikipedias may be of use too. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is far too stubby for ITNRD standards, and the Publications section (which is the majority of the article) is entirely unsourced. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Lee Hedges

Article: Lee Hedges (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Advocate
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach. Article looks alright aside from one uncited sentence. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support looks good to me, it's pretty well-cited ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support some paragraphs could use more citations mid-paragraph rather than just one at the end of a bulk of text / several sentences? Abcmaxx (talk) 13:13, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality is good in both the citation and length departments. No reason this should be held up; marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:23, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Luis Suárez

Article: Luis Suárez (footballer, born 1935) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diario AS; La Gazzetta dello Sport; L'Equipe; The Guardian; Il Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 37.159.46.80 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Apart from his club and international accolades, Suárez notably won the Ballon d'Or in 1960, and still remains the only Spanish male footballer to have ever done so to this day. The article likely needs to be expanded and lacks a lot of key sources, but the links I've put right above, as well as this beautiful obituary by Diario AS, should help get everything in good shape. The it.wiki page should have some useful sources to retrieve, too! Oltrepier (talk) 14:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Ballon d'or sounds good but is unsourced. Much more in the article as well. Article needs quite some work.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle I agree, and I'll see what I can do to bring its quality up in the next few days. Oltrepier (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as there are quite a few statements and items listed in Honours that lack citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Paradise Chronicle @Fakescientist8000 It was quite a challenge, but I think I've managed to get the whole "Honours" section covered now.

  I'll try to work on the career section now, since it's still pretty skeletal. Also, should I actually cut one or two photos from the article, just to clean it up? Oltrepier (talk) 07:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Oltrepier Excellent job in the Honours section. Now, do you think you could get the one remaining CN tag? If you can do that, consider my !vote a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 14:18, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: I just wanted to say that I'm hoping to work on the article myself in the next few days, and I've also called for support at WP:FOOTBALL. Oltrepier (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment (pt. 2): following the advice of @Fakescientist8000, I should have helped fill in all of the major citation gaps. I don't know if this is enough for ITN standard, though... Oltrepier (talk) 14:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Good work there. This is ready, I think. Black Kite (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Much better on citations, but some parts feel like cite overkill. Still feels like in needs refinement, but it's certainly good enough for ITN deaths. Govvy (talk) 15:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Govvy It definitely is in need of refinement, lol...

  I'm hoping to help improve it in the next few days/weeks! Oltrepier (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Sufficient for ITN but obviously as a bio could do with many more improvements. Kingsif (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

July 8

Portal:Current events/2023 July 8

July 8, 2023 (2023-07-08) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Omdurman At least 22 people are killed by an airstrike in Omdurman, Sudan. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Donbas Russian forces shell Lyman in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, killing eight people and injuring 13 others, according to governor Pavlo Kyrylenko. (BBC News) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency Four insurgents and two officers are killed at a police station in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (Iran International) Arts and culture Farewell Yellow Brick Road English musician Elton John, the fourth best-selling music artist of all time, performs his final concert at the Tele2 Arena in Stockholm, Sweden, after touring for more than 50 years. (Global News) Disasters and accidents 2023 Murrieta plane crash A plane crashes in Murrieta, California, United States, killing all six people aboard. (Forbes) One person is killed and seven others are missing due to a landslide that buried a highway in Yichang, Hubei, China. (Reuters) Pemex, the Mexican oil company, estimates that Friday's fire on an offshore drilling platform has led to the loss of 700,000 barrels of oil production thus far. (Reuters) Health and environment Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest The heads of government of the Amazon basin countries convene in Leticia, Amazonas, Colombia, to strategize conserving the Amazon rainforest. (AFP via The Business Standard) Law and crime Shah Cheragh attack Iran executes two men for their involvement in a mass shooting at Shah Cheragh in Shiraz, Fars province. (CNN) LGBT rights in Georgia Organizers cancel a pride festival in Tbilisi, Georgia, due to violent interventions by far-right groups which led to clashes with law enforcement. (CNN) Four people are killed and five are injured in a series of shootings in Chicago, Illinois, United States. (WLS-TV) A correspondent for the Mexican newspaper La Jornada is found dead in Tepic, Nayarit, a day after being reported missing. (AFP via Philippine Daily Inquirer) Politics and elections June 2023 Greek legislative election The New Democracy party, led by Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, secures a vote of confidence in Parliament to begin its second four-year term. (AP)

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RD: Bill Shipp

Article: Bill Shipp (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://saportareport.com/legendary-georgia-journalist-bill-shipp-dies-at-89/sections/reports/maria_saporta/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Journalist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:22, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article has enough sourcing + length in order to pass ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:47, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Per above, article is ready for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: K. Ravindranathan Nair

Article: K. Ravindranathan Nair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kerala Kaumudi
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tachs (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Dl2000 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian film producer. Article looks alright though there's a poorly cited filmography. Onegreatjoke (talk) 21:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article has some sourcing issues, although those should be easily fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Adrian Tan

Article: Adrian Tan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Channel News Asia
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dawkin Verbier (talk · give credit) and Lnfitz (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean lawyer. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. Interesting coincidence to have 2 Singaporean lawyers with the same last name on the same day. - Indefensible (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - seems fine.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Tan Yock Lin

Article: Tan Yock Lin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Straits Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bpc.sg (talk · give credit), Kevinalewis (talk · give credit), Abceasyas123dorayme (talk · give credit) and Indefensible (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Singaporean law professor. - Indefensible (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has less than 320 words. Too stubby. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Özkan Uğur

Article: Özkan Uğur (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.haberturk.com/son-dakika-ozkan-ugur-hayatini-kaybetti-ozkan-ugur-kimdir-kac-yasinda-hastaligi-neydi-ve-neden-oldu-3605827-magazin
Credits:

• Nominated by ActuallyNeverHappened02 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit), Keivan.f (talk · give credit) and Styyx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish musician. Article has only one inline citation, but progress can be made Actually_NeverHappened02 (a place to chalk | a list of stuff i've done) 14:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Both the Filmography and Discography sections need citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

From my understanding of MOS:FILMOGRAPHY (and the linked WikiProject), sourcing of the filmography section is actually not needed unless it's difficult to confirm, though I've still added sources. WikiProject Discographies says general references are sufficient. ~Styyx^Talk? 17:39, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

A general reference that supports all the roles in the table is fine, but without that, we do expect each entry to be sourced. Masem (t) 17:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing removal: Russian invasion of Ukraine

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Article: Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: It has been ongoing for almost one and a half years, but it evidently slowed down to the level that there are barely individual events that would merit inclusion, so it is perhaps the right time to revisit its ongoing status. Major territorial changes have not been made for months, airstrikes on Ukrainian cities have become less frequent with much lower casualties, the long-awaited Ukrainian counteroffensive did not make significant progress, people in major Ukrainian cities got used to the fact there is a war in their country and returned to normal life, and male Ukrainians are now allowed to leave the country under a simplified procedure compared to few months back. Moreover, 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive is part of Russian invasion of Ukraine in the same way the latter is part of Russo-Ukrainian War, so it is highly debatable if "Russian invasion of Ukraine" is the right target. Keeping it unchanged forever makes the impression that we do not care about the dynamics of events. The counteroffensive may hypothetically result in a major breakthrough in the future, but we would probably not post a blurb for it because the outdated "Russian invasion of Ukraine" would be still in ongoing. This is definitely not how ITN should convey information to our readers. A much better approach would be to remove it from ongoing, post a blurb when things escalate again and then move it to ongoing with a more precise target article. At the end, note that we removed the COVID-19 pandemic from ongoing when there were still preventive measures in place and tens of thousands of deaths on a daily basis, so it is clear that this should be removed one day. Better to do it in relatively quiet times. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Absolutely not. Still big updates happening, the war is still having a worldwide impact, and there is no signs of it ever slowing down. Just to give another perspective, we had COVID in ongoing for like two or three years before we removed it. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I get the idea, but its still relevant. I still see it the news, but the big updates may just be "smaller" than say a year ago. Maybe a discussion could be held though that maybe the article should be moved to the more relevant counteroffensive though.

TheCorriynial (talk) 12:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Strong oppose, but change the name - I agree that the war has slowed down, but it has continuously been front-page news for the last year-and-a-half. Go to the main page of any news outlet, I guarantee there's at least one article about the conflict at the top. Removing the COVID-19 Pandemic from ongoing was due to the fact that it was hardly being covered by the news in any major way, and it was becoming more clear by the day that COVID-19 would become endemic, similar to the Flu.

There is no indication that the same will happen with the Russo-Ukrainian War. It has only escalated since the initial invasion, from the missile strikes in Poland, to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis, to the destruction of the Nova Kakhovka Dam, to the Wagner Rebellion. It is clear that the war is still going on and in increased severity.

Now, I do agree that the item 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' is becoming a little outdated now, and I think changing the ongoing title to 'Russo-Ukrainian War' would be best, though this change will probably need to be reflected in the target articles. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Change name to Russo-Ukrainian War Braganza (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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Workshop: What should the target article in ongoing be?

Considering that there is initially a unanimous opposition to removal but some support for changing the target article, it stands to reason to discuss this in more detail. Potential alternative target articles include:

• Alt1: Ukrainian counteroffensive
• Alt2: Russo-Ukrainian War
• Alt3: Russian invasion of Ukraine (8 June 2023 - present)

Feel free to nominate more alternatives. Your opinions are welcome.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• I don't think the main article should be removed altogether. While nearly all now are aware of the main invasion article, it may still provide general context. We can have those specific trends in parentheses (e.g. amid recent announcement on cluster munitions), like Russian invasion of Ukraine (Ukrainian counteroffensive). There was no such dramatic and protracted precedent in Ongoing before, so showing major spinoffs in parentheses may be warranted. Brandmeister^talk 14:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Im actually kinda in this camp, since they suggested this, and it could possibly become a standard that could be used for more things down the road. although I'd probably put either the Ukrainian counteroffensive or the timeline. TheCorriynial (talk) 14:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Either this or Alt 3 seems best. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Alt3. And I decidedly feel that the article title must reflect the criminal and malicious role of russia. Yes, not capitalised. --Ouro (blah blah) 14:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think we should keep it as 'Russian Invasion of Ukraine' when the conflict has long transformed past that phase just because we want to make some moral point about the war. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 - the invasion proper isn’t really ongoing anymore, as Russia’s failed to take substantial territory in recent times and it’s more of an occupation now. The Kip (talk) 16:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support ALT2 Braganza (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

There was a discussion back in April by User:Interstellarity to add a timeline to the ongoing entry (at that time, it was Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (12 November 2022 – present), obviously now renamed). The proposal failed to garner consensus, though a key thing to note is that proposal called for it to be formatted as "Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline)", whereas this is straight up swapping the main article with the timeline.

As for my vote, per ranked choice !voting,

1. Alt3: reiterating what I stated in the aforementioned discussion in April, the primary article doesn't really go into details about the actual offensives. If prose is more important, than...
2. Alt2: which has prose, but focuses on a specific aspect of the war instead of the broader theme.
3. Alt1: not receiving daily updates.

— Knightoftheswords 16:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 It's important to always cover the more broader picture when discussing about something in Ongoing. Alt1 would only cover a small portion of the war, alt3 same thing but using the term "invasion" which really isn't suitable anymore considering it's getting more and more stale on the battlefield. Alt2 sums it up perfectly in my opinion, because it is a war that has been going on for over a year now and would also cover the other alts such as the Ukrainian counteroffensive aswell as the actual "invasion" itself. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose change The existing article – Russian invasion of Ukraine – is clearly dominant with our readership, having far more readers and the only candidate in the Top 100 for June. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Hm, maybe that article should be renamed to 'Russo-Ukrainian War (2022 - Present)' or something along those lines. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  It was indeed once moved to that title (minus [pun intended] the shorter hyphen) following this discussion, before being moved to the current title following this RM. — Knightoftheswords 23:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  And what of it? DarkSide830 (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Okay. To quote GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · contribs) in the discussion I linked in my !vote, when he was going on about his experience reading the mother article, Where is significant fighting happening? Are there skirmishes happening all along the front lines, or is it relatively peaceful? I have no idea. — Knightoftheswords 23:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  How many times must we tell you that readership stats genuinely do not matter here? The Kip (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's not clear what matters here as the alternatives presented are wildly different. ALT1 is forward-looking, ALT2 is a broad historical perspective and ALT3 is a proseline ticker. The readership stats show which of these views is making the most impact and the existing link is clearly dominant. To present more varied perspectives, we would need a navigational template with multiple links as we did for COVID. If we're just presenting one link then it should be the big one that most people are looking for. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Support ALT1 or ALT2, but a preference for ALT2 - Per above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I can see why people prefer ALT3, as it is pretty much the WP:COMMONNAME at this point, but I do think the nature of the conflict has shifted from the initial Russian invasion of the country to a prolonged occupation grinding down to trench warfare. It'd be equivalent to terming the entire Western Front of WW1 as the 'German invasion of France'.

If I was to cast ranked choice votes like Knight above, it'd be:

1. Alt2
2. Alt3
3. Alt1

PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Alt2 properly describes the overall event occurring. The invasion was always a piece of the larger puzzle, and to be honest it's been the target for way too long. Russia and Ukraine have been at war for over a decade, but I feel like people seem to believe the war only started with the invasion. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  The war started in 2014, but it was added to “Ongoing” b/c of the invasion. I think that linking to the war would be overly broad. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  So? The invasion is part of the larger war. If people want to look at more recent events they can navigate to them from there. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Alt2 basically describes what is currently happening, the war had stopped being an invasion since the recapturing of Kherson, and the Russo-Ukrainian War is basically what it has been since 2014, so I feel that "Russo-Ukrainian War" is basically the best title, for that the war has been ongoing for 9 years, and this phase of the war has been ongoing for over a year. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Russia is still occupying Ukraine, and has done since 2014. If Ukraine was to start defeating Russia on Russian territory such as Belgorod or Moscow then it would be a war in the traditional sense. At the moment Ukraine is merely repelling invaders from its territory. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Alt 2. The Russo-Ukrainian War has been going on since 2014. Changing the ongoing link to that would be further expanding the scope of the link to not focus on current events. Keeping the link as is or linking to a more-focused timeline sub-article is fine. It seems people are arguing for what the invasion article's name should be, which shouldn't be done at ITN but via a RM. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Keep current target – Regardless of its title, Russian invasion of Ukraine is the article covering the phase of the war from February 2022 to the present, including the recent counteroffensive and the Wagner rebellion. DecafPotato (talk) 06:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose alts. Recentism, the counteroffensive is not really breaking news and a timeline either. The current one is the most accurate in my opinion as the war really takes place in the Ukraine and not in Russia.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The current article is the correct one.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose proposed changes The current target article is the right one. If it aint broke, don't fix it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose any changes. The current link is working just fine. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose any changes keeping the russian invasion of ukraine article is perfectly fine for me. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose any changes per above. I'd be fine with including some of the alts in parentheses, but the current target is the correct one. Davey2116 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose any changes Everything that could be said has already been said above. Nothing wrong with this target article, but there are issues with using the broader 2014-present war article (too broad) or the current counteroffensive (too narrow).  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 7

Portal:Current events/2023 July 7

July 7, 2023 (2023-07-07) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces an $800 million aid package for Ukraine that includes cluster munitions for the first time. While the weapons are outlawed by over 100 countries under the Convention on Cluster Munitions, the United States, Ukraine, and Russia are not signatories. (CNN) The U.S. package also includes M777 howitzers, munitions for MIM-104 Patriot and M142 HIMARS missile systems, anti-tank weapons, UAVs, and additional Bradley Fighting Vehicles and Stryker armoured personnel carriers. (Reuters) Spillover of the Somali Civil War Six Kenyan soldiers and 23 Al-Shabaab members are killed during a shootout in Orgene village, Mandera County, Kenya. Eight other soldiers are injured. (VOA) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso Jihadists kill at least 22 civilians in two separate attacks in Namentenga Province, Burkina Faso. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Rohingya genocide Six Rohingya refugees are killed at the Kutupalong camp in Ukhia, Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh, amidst clashes between rival insurgent groups, the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army and Rohingya Solidarity Organisation. (AFP via The Manila Times) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Israeli soldiers shoot dead two Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine militants during a raid at a house in Nablus in the occupied West Bank. (BBC News) Business and economy Land reform in the Philippines President Bongbong Marcos signs into law the New Agrarian Emancipation Act, canceling over ₱57.56 billion (US$1.04bn) in agricultural debt for more than 500,000 farmers. (AFP via CNA) 2021–present United Kingdom cost-of-living crisis British cinema chain Empire Cinemas collapses into administration with the immediate loss of 150 jobs. (BBC News) The China Securities Regulatory Commission imposes fines of nearly US$1 billion and $415 million on technology companies Ant Group and Tencent, respectively, for violating financial regulations and anti-money laundering obligations. (AFP via France 24) Disasters and accidents 2023 Pakistan floods At least 55 people, including eight children, are killed by floods caused by monsoon rains in Pakistan. (AP) Six people are killed and 81 others are injured in a fire at a nursing home in Milan, Lombardy, Italy. (AP) At least 128 people are hospitalized in Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran, due to dust storms. (Xinhua) Fourteen people are killed, six are missing, and three are injured after an apartment building collapsed in Recife, Pernambuco, Brazil. (BBC News) Six people are killed in an explosion at a chemical factory in Chapayevsk, Samara Oblast, Russia. (TASS) Two people are killed and another is missing due to a fire at an oil platform owned by Mexican state-owned company Pemex in the southern edge of Gulf of Mexico. (Reuters) Seventy-five tourists become stranded overnight in Quito, Ecuador, when a glitch halts the TelefériQo gondola lift, requiring a ten-hour rescue operation. (The Economic Times) International relations China–Japan relations China's General Administration of Customs announces a ban on food imports from ten Japanese prefectures, citing safety concerns over Japan's plan to discharge treated radioactive waste water from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant into the Pacific Ocean. (AFP via Le Monde) U.S. President Joe Biden declares the complete destruction of the country's chemical weapons stockpile, making the U.S. the last signatory of the Chemical Weapons Convention to destroy declared stockpiles and marking the elimination of all known global reserves of chemical weapons. (AFP via RTÉ) Law and crime 2023 Odisha train collision India's Central Bureau of Investigation arrests two signal engineers and a technician on charges of culpable homicide and evidence tampering over last month's deadly train collision in Balasore, Odisha. (AP) 2019 El Paso shooting Perpetrator Patrick Crusius is sentenced to 90 consecutive life terms in a federal prison after pleading guilty to hate crimes related to the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, United States. (AFP via The Manila Times) 2019 Whakaari / White Island eruption Three tour operators plead guilty to failing to ensure the health and safety of workers and tourists under the Health and Safety at Work Act 2015 during the deadly eruption of White Island in New Zealand in 2019. They each face a maximum fine of $1.5 million (US$927,000). (AP) Politics and elections In the Netherlands, the fourth Rutte cabinet collapses amid disagreements over asylum applications. Prime Minister Mark Rutte announces that he will submit his resignation on Saturday. (BBC News)

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RD: Violeta Hemsy de Gainza

Article: Violeta Hemsy de Gainza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://entrenotas.com.ar/violeta-y-su-legado-en-la-pedagogia-musical/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Argentine pianist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose as per a few uncited statements in the Early life and education section. Once that is cleared up, consider this !vote a support. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Kara Puketapu

Article: Kara Puketapu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff (NZ)
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Stuartyeates (talk · give credit), Paora (talk · give credit) and Mattlore (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Maori leader. Aside from one uncited thing the article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article has enough sourcing/length to meet ITNRD standards. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Dutch governmental crisis

Articles: Fourth Rutte cabinet (talk · history · tag) and Mark Rutte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Dutch coalition government falls apart after failing to reach an agreement on family reunification. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Netherlands, Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) announces his resignation following the collapse of the ruling coalition government.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the Netherlands, after a failure to reach an agreement on capping migration to the country, the ruling coalition government collapses, leading to the resignation of Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured).
Alternative blurb III: ​ In the Netherlands, the governing coalition collapses and Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) resigns.
News source(s): NOS, RTL Nieuws, N-TV, Spiegel, DerStandard
Credits:

• Nominated by Braganza (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bart Terpstra (talk · give credit)

 Braganza (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - We don't normally post internal political debates and governmental reshuffling like this. If this leads to a sustained political crisis in the Netherlands akin to the one experienced by the UK last year then maybe, but right now, no. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

it is not a reshuffle, the coalition ended and Rutte wants to resign Braganza (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

(Resigning in this context does not mean he leaves btw) Dajasj (talk) 21:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

He's still going to be Prime Minister of a caretaker government. While his resignation has bumped up the notability a little, I still think this is not notable for front page news.

Changing my vote to Wait until the next general election. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - The event regards one of the main players within the European Union, and considering also for how long Rutte has been in charge and the surprising results of the latest local elections in the Netherlands this crisis could pave the way for huge changes in the country. Fm3dici97 (talk) 20:31, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - The cabinet has now collapsed. New elections are in November of this year. The blurb should probably reflect this. Tuzi-bunbun (talk) 21:16, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on Significance. Not the typical sort of political crisis posted to ITN, but certainly seems significant enough nevertheless. Not too hot on the current blurb though. Think we could use a better phrasing then "[falls] apart", and it's worth noting that the article lacks prose and could use much more discussion of the break-down and background thereof. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Conditional support and adding alt blurb - major political crisis in the Netherlands that could have major ramifications for years to come. Mark Rutte has been in power for a decade, so a resignation defintale means something; we posted the UK version of this last year as Precarious pointed out so it would be systemic bias to not do the same for the Batavians. Oppose on quality however; the article is literally a table wall. — Knightoftheswords (Talk) 22:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Have not really seen Batavian used in that sense beyond Jakarta. Gotitbro (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

added stub quality on most big issues they faced and {expand dutch}. Bart Terpstra (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait until a new PM is appointed per WP:ITNR. Right now, it's just a routine political matter as PrecariousWorlds notes. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
  • There are likely to be new elections, meaning Rutte and friends will remain in office until a new government is elected (this might take some time, so it's possible he'll be in post until Q2'24)This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

    So that's when it would be appropriate to post. Not now. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 09:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose - wait until elections. The current government will remain in power as a caretaker government until new elections are held, so nothing has actually changed. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

  Respectfully, the new elections aren't for several months. This isn't a Johnson/Truss or Truss/Sunak situation where the successor is fairly quick;y chosen. The biggest news is the elections have effectively been moved up two years. That is new itself independent of the actual results. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:25, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  I see your perspective and understand it, but I personally don't think that news alone merits a blurb, since we will post the results of the election anyway when the appropriate time comes. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on Boris/Truss precedent This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• I'll say it: it was a bad decision and should not be used as precedent, imo. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait — Per Presidentman. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, mention that this will lead to elections half November at the earliest as a consequence. Bart Terpstra (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• So are we going to post the elections in November too now? Is that where this is going? Whenever a parliament disbands, we'll post both events? Seems excessive. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support If there is no immediate successor, then this this the time to post. General elections are ITNR, but a decade long PM reigning is also of note. Gotitbro (talk) 02:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Looks like the PM has already resigned once already (leading to the '21 elections) and nothing of note came of it. Seeing that this is not a unique event in recent Rutte/Dutch history, I am striking my outright support. Gotitbro (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  2021 was only a few months before the election, while the next elections where planned for 2025 Braganza (talk) 05:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support It's in the news now. The article could use some fleshing out but so it goes. Note that it contains a couple of graphs which are broken, saying "Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues." All graphs were disabled for "security reasons" and have been snafu for months now. "WMF teams are working quickly on a plan..." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. Rutte is major figure, news on his stepping down should be posted. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Resignation of a government is notable and in the news now. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, per above. BilledMammal (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - No doubt about it. Now is not the time to wait while the crisis is in the news and we are at its point of apogee in terms of newsworthiness. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Who makes the final call? and when? 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose not on significance, but the fact that there is really no real coverage of the crisis in either of the given pages. I see one line on the coalition page, and only a brief mention of the issue in the Rutte's lede. This should be a significant discussion of the events leading to this to give context. --Masem (t) 14:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  this has been adressed. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait until new elections are held and new PM is chosen - from my understanding Rutte will remain PM until then. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose misleading blurb wich is not the main reason for the collapse Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  I agree, it was most likely (hearsay) timed to break up on this issue rather than one of the many other issues for optics. Bart Terpstra (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb I per all above. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support this is unusual for us to post on ITN, but this seems significant enough to post due to the fact that the Netherlands is a major player in the EU, and the collapse of the ruling government seems like an pretty important event. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support with much more concise added alt3, also because we have little else that's new currently at ITN. Sandstein 20:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Why not add "Elections will be held in the fall"? Bart Terpstra (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Normally I’d say wait for the election, but that’s three months away, so let’s go ahead with this. The Kip (talk) 02:03, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Neither target article Fourth Rutte cabinet or Mark Rutte discusses this news beyond two sentences. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 03:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until a new government is formed per ITNR. Governments come and go all the time. We blurb the transition. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  there wont be a new government, snap elections are the most likeliest possibility Braganza (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  Then we should post the results of the new elections as per normal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  Which is months from now while this is in the news right this moment. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  yeah it's already two days ago Braganza (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support We will post the election as well since it'll be ITN/R, but this is in the news now. There is precedent for this: we posted the resignations of Theresa May and Boris Johnson separately from the installations of their successors (and those were party leadership elections). Davey2116 (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Again, as pointed out before -- there is nil but one sentence in the cabinet article and about three sentences in the lede of Rutte article which is nowhere near enough of a significant update for this, if this is really as significant as many of the support !votes say above. I expect a couple of paragraphs if not more to explain the background, the changes, the process of change, and any possible impacts on Danish and EU region this may have. --Masem (t) 01:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  The general rule at ITN (conceding rare exceptions) is that we expect an event under nomination to rate its own article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  You wish. The lead blurb for over a week now has been about a court ruling on Jair Bolsonaro. That event not only doesn't have a separate article, it doesn't even have a separate section in his article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  To be fair, his biographical article dedicates a portion of the Post-presidency (2023–present) section to it. That's more than can be said about this proposed blurb as of right now.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 07:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  A separate article has never been the case for ITN. We expect a significant update, and while it would seem this type of event could warrant its own article, it is not required as long as we see paragraphs of content about this situation, if it is as severe and important as the !votes above suggest. The lack of any attempt to expand on this is worrisome. Masem (t) 12:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance, but oppose on quality until at least one of the target articles has at minimum one paragraph of sourced prose about the news story. If I were a reader clicking on a bolded link in a news blurb about a political crisis, I'd expect to be able to read more about said political crisis. If/when the target article is updated (or if/when a new target article about the political crisis is created), consider my opposition dropped.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:16, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

  How's the current state of the article?

  I'll try and expand apology for colonial past, energy and the AZC's tommorow. Bart Terpstra (talk) 00:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment. this morning he announced he won't be running again. source. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• But he will remain as PM in a caretaker role until the elections are held, right? I just don't understand why we would post what is effectively the same story twice. This is like posting someone's election and then their inauguration. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support its infuential news at the moment. Also, the Netherlands are known to be a stable political entity, so a shake up is news.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb after improvements Shadow4dark (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: Per Rockstone. Just post the election result and the new PM and coalition government getting sworn in when they eventually take place. Until then, the current cabinet is still caretaker government. --StellarHalo (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Milan fire

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Article: 2023 Milan nursing home fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Italy, six people die and 81 are injured in Milan after a fire broke out at a local retirement home. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Italy, six people are killed in a fire at a nursing home in Milan.
News source(s): NYT - The Guardian - DW - ABC Australia - AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Dubstar44 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Dubstar44 (talk · give credit) and Jim 2 Michael (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Six people have died in a Milanese nursery home. In addition, a whopping 81 are injured. The article needs work. — Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 18:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Although this is tragic, sadly, accidents like this happen all the time, and the article is still a stub. Article will need to be first expanded, then we may talk about whether it is ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose yet again, while tragic, it is unlikely to be a enduring news topic. --Masem (t) 18:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support | Meets standards and has international news coverage. I will remind contributors that there is no MINDEATHS criterion This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 18:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to insufficient importance (unless it's discovered that the fire was started deliberately) & the article not being good enough. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 18:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Wikipedia is no tabloid.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  What is tabloidy about this? Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

  Tabloids focus on murders, deaths and local human rights violations. The event is sure tragic, but has no lasting coverage or influence on a wider area. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Unfortunately not notable enough to be covered in ITN. Whilst it is sad, this has no place in being in ITN because of the very little impact it's going to have on anything. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Namboothiri (artist)

Article: Namboothiri (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manorama
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit), Tachs (talk · give credit) and Hythlodaeus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian artist. Article looks almost decent though there does look to be some problems. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Article appears in sufficient shape. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support No CN tags or orange tags, article seems to be in okay condition. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Bibliography section needs either citations or ISBNs. Ping me once done. Support Article looks good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:19, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Fakescientist8000 I’ve added ISBNs to the bibliography, can you take a look again? Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Support I’ve added ISBNs to the bibliography, article looks good enough now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

July 6

Portal:Current events/2023 July 6

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RD: Graham Clark (tenor)

Article: Graham Clark (tenor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Royal Opera House + French + German
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Great internationally known character tenor, 16 seasons in Bayreuth, 15 seasons at the Met, and still had a sad little stub of an article. Rather proud of this expansion. There could be more, but - see below - next is a pianist, hopefully easier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jeffrey Carlson

Article: Jeffrey Carlson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo!
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by StarbriteQueen (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor. - Indefensible (talk) 02:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Beverley Salmon

Article: Beverley Salmon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2722642&jwsource=cl&fbclid=IwAR2vMtJ2tAWQUrGyDSiWzDlTnB_hWt7v8wTugQVwh3W4f4vhR3fr0AL3_nQ
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian activist. Aside from an uncited section article looks nearly ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose both the Community work and Career section have uncited statements. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:21, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Mutulu Shakur

Article: Mutulu Shakur (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://newsone.com/4635039/mutulu-shakur-dies/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American activist and criminal. There are citation issues but they're not so bad. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:27, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article's quality is good enough for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:22, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Essop Pahad

Article: Essop Pahad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2023-07-06-essop-pahad-close-confidant-of-thabo-mbeki-dies-aged-84/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South African politician. Article has some major issues but is almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:21, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has a few uncited statements that need clearing up. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Iván Márquez

Article: Iván Márquez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/top-farc-dissident-leader-ivan-marquez-dead-sources-2023-07-07/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Colombian guerrilla leader. Article is almost ready but it has some issues. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait sources, most prominently El Pais (one of the better newspapers in the Spanish/Latin american press says there is no confirmation yet. Others say so as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

El Tiempo is probably to most conclusive yet, with them claiming to have information abou his death but the Venezuelan Ministry not confirming it.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I have expanded the article quite a bit now. Added small sections on him being a teacher, peace nagotiations in 2012-2016 and an assassination attempt after he returned to the arms. But there is still the early years in the FARC, peace negotiations in Mexico and the ones with the Pastrana government around 2000s which are in a poor state. The political career ahead of the FARC might also add some phrases. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Arnaldo Forlani

Article: Arnaldo Forlani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.lastampa.it/politica/2023/07/06/news/morto_arnaldo_forlani-12927992/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former prime minister of Italy. Article is very uncited sadly. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has major sourcing issues which need to be fixed ASAP. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Brendan Daly (politician)

Article: Brendan Daly (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.clarelive.ie/news/home/1242139/sadness-following-passing-of-former-clare-td-and-minister.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish politican. Nearly there aside from an uncited paragraph. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:59, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support citing concern of the nominator fixed Josey Wales ^Parley 18:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose As there are still a few unsourced statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:43, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Attila Abonyi

Article: Attila Abonyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://au.sports.yahoo.com/socceroos-great-atilla-abonyi-mourned-100816885.html?guccounter=1
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian-Australian soccer player. Article is nearly ready aside from a few uncited areas. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has a few uncited statements that need sourcing. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:24, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Meta launches Threads

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Article: Threads (app) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tech, Threads, a competitor app to Twitter by Meta Platforms, gains 30 million users within a day of launching. (Post)
News source(s): France24 - The Guardian - The Independent Irish Independent - El Pais - DW - Le Monde - CBC - ABC Australia - NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Uniru288 (talk · give credit), Riad Salih (talk · give credit), Jasp7676 (talk · give credit), InvadingInvader (talk · give credit) and AusLondonder (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Meta's Threads, a new app set to compete with Twitter, has accumulated dozens of millions of users within a day of launch. Before anyone rushes to oppose, there is precedent for posting news of this caliber; for example, the incident that lead to this app being launched: Elon's acquisition of Twitter. The success of Threads within the first day (having already accumulated more than 10% of Twitter's userbase) is noteworthy, especially regarding the series of unpopular decisions being made at Twitter under Elon's tenure and the stark differences in how both apps handle things (e.g, freedom of speech). In the linked discussion, people stated that Twitter was a major and critical company, and its seems pretty clear that this will likely become a major and critical competitor and app for many. - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 19:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close — Product announcements aren't suitable for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I also don't feel like this is "of this caliber" wrt the acquisition of Twitter, considering that was a major platform with a massive dollar amount and, even at the time, was believed to have major implications for a critical platform. I also feel like posting it to ITN would feel... I don't know. I can't get with the idea that we should post it bc it's a reaction to Twitter's dumpster fire, and it feels all routine coverage and it's in vogue to cover every little thing going on related to Twitter right now. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• I didn't rush to it, but I will leisurely oppose at this point because it is way too early to tell that this will be a major competitor to Twitter, even given the massive boom within its first day of launch. I think the notability of this really is, as TenTonParasol, subordinated to the notability of Twitter's major meltdown. Otherwise it's just a new social media service. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose companies launch new services all the time, and that this is only getting attention due to the nonsense happening at Twitter doesn't make this any more special. Masem (t) 19:39, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news as one would expect -- modern journalism seems to be largely driven by Twitter now. And the article is helpful in explaining that this new thing is essentially just an extension of Instagram, which helps me ignore it too. And it's a good trailer for the cage match which sounds much more interesting. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  "And it's a good trailer for the cage match which sounds much more interesting" really hits the uncertainty I was expressing earlier. Posting this to ITN feels like, it's not literally promotional or RGW, but it feels inappropriate to me somehow to post it to ITN on the basis of highlighting the "stark differences" between how they're run or as a "trailer" for a different event entirely. An ITN bullet isn't for drumming up attention to other events and issues that aren't the thing at hand, however connected or adjacent those are. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 20:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose due to that good ol' CRYSTAL. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. We cant' assume this app will become a real Twitter competitor, and even then such news may not be fitting for ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:09, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose New app launches all the time... big deal. Noah^Talk 20:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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Johannesburg gas leak

Article: 2023 Boksburg gas leak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gas leak kills 16 people, including 3 children in Boksburg, Johannesburg, South Africa. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters, NY Times, Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 06:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - this article is currently only 3 sentences long and does not provide any detailed information ~~~ Chanelle821 (talk) 07:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait but leaning oppose on significance. While tragic, it doesn't seem to be the type of event that yet will have any news-worthy tail, and may fail NEVENT. --Masem (t) 12:11, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose article is currently a stub, and this incident does not seen significant for ITN. Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - fails to meet the requisite significance. It looks like it passes NEVENT by the fact that multiple countries covered it, but I wouldn't hold out hope for any lasting effect. Anarchyte (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, Not a notable news for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support -- I'd support posting this if such a thing happened in the US, or in any other western nation. This is unusual and notable. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Brăila Bridge

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Article: Brăila Bridge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Brăila Bridge the third longest suspension bridge in Europe opens. (Post)
News source(s): Romania Insider
Credits:

• Nominated by Eugen Simion 14 (talk · give credit)

 EugεnS¡m¡on 16:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not seeing the significance here. Noah^Talk 16:30, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Interesting, but an incremental record that lacks much significance. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose any "xth largest" where x is not 1st is really not going to cut it for ITN. --Masem (t) 17:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Insignificant bridge built with a th, not an st. I'm not too sure this would even make the cut for DYK. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not significant enough for ITN, while this certainly is kind of interesting, this is the "Third" longest suspension bridge in Europe, if it was the single longest bridge in the world, then maybe it may be ITN-worthy, but this isn't even the longest in the world, it's not even the longest in Europe. This really seens too insignificant to post. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose So Romania opened a new suspension bridge. Kingsif (talk) 00:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Third largest bridge doesn't fit notability standards for ITN IMO. Schwinnspeed (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 5

Portal:Current events/2023 July 5

July 5, 2023 (2023-07-05) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict July 2023 Jenin incursion The Israeli military withdraws its troops from the Jenin refugee camp in the occupied West Bank after two days of operations, which resulted in the deaths of at least 13 Palestinians, the displacement of thousands of people, and widespread damage. An Israeli soldier was also killed. (BBC News) Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso At least 15 civilians are killed by jihadists in Sorgha, Gnagna, Burkina Faso. (AFP via VOA) Kivu conflict At least eight people are killed during an attack at a village in Bungushu, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AFP via France 24) 2023 Kyiv court explosion Ihor Humenyuk, a defendant at the Shevchenkivskyi District Court in Kyiv and a former member of the Sich Battalion, dies after injuring two police officers in an apparent escape attempt. (Meduza) Business and economy Wyloo Metals, a privately held battery resources unit in Australia, has committed itself to an acquisition of mining company Mincor Resources, (MCR.AX), its CEO said. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Boksburg gas leak Seventeen people are killed and ten others are hospitalized by a nitrate gas leak from illegal mining in an informal settlement in Boksburg, Gauteng, South Africa. (AP) At least 27 people are killed and 17 injured when a bus plunges into a ravine near Magdalena Peñasco, Oaxaca, Mexico. (Al Jazeera) At least 15 people are killed by flash floods caused by torrential rain in Chongqing, China. (Reuters) Mongolian prime minister Luvsannamsrain Oyun-Erdene places Ulaanbaatar on "high alert" due to severe flooding caused by unprecedented rainfall, forcing hundreds of people to evacuate. (AFP via The Manila Times) The Icelandic Meteorological Office issues a volcano warning after detecting around 2,200 earthquakes around Reykjavík, indicating a potential imminent eruption at Fagradalsfjall. An aviation safety alert has also been issued. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Health and environment Togo confirms 1,450 birds have died after an outbreak of the Influenza A virus subtype H5N1. (Reuters) International relations Iran–Saudi Arabia relations, Iran–Kuwait relations Saudi Arabia announces that it has rejected Iranian claims to partial ownership of the Durra gas field, following a similar announcement made by Kuwait. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait plan to jointly develop the gas field. (The Cradle) (Reuters) Law and crime The United States Secret Service confirms that cocaine was discovered in the West Wing of the White House on July 1, which led to a brief evacuation of the building. President Joe Biden has been briefed on the matter. (BBC News) The Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrest the chief propagandist for neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, and charge him on three counts of terrorism. (Vice News) Science and technology French space program Aerospace manufacturer Arianespace launches its Ariane 5 launch vehicle for the final time from the Guiana Space Centre in Kourou, French Guiana, carrying French and German military satellites. (AFP via RFI)

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RD: Rob Agerbeek

Article: Rob Agerbeek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.msn.com/nl-nl/entertainment/nieuws/bekende-jazzpianist-rob-agerbeek-85-overleden/ar-AA1dw9ze?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6ea0508e614f4e0fa41162083f469d19&ei=9
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indo dutch pianist. Article almost looks decent but there are some citation issues. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Citations need to be added in the Awards and Honours sections. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Fakescientist8000: I added citations for the awards section. anything else? Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Onegreatjoke I think the Discography could use some citations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Walkiria Terradura

Article: Walkiria Terradura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rainews.it/amp/tgr/umbria/articoli/2023/07/addio-alla-partigiana-walkiria-terradura-39f6cabe-4eb5-4bff-8c8e-79c686e98223.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian partisan. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has less than 320 words, which in my opinion, is too stubby. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jacob Larsen (cricketer)

Article: Jacob Larsen (cricketer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.espncricinfo.com/cricketers/jacob-larsen-329694
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Danish Cricketer. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has less than 320 words, and is too stubby in my opinion. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Anthony Gilbert (composer)

Article: Anthony Gilbert (composer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Schott Slipped Disc
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sfjohna (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British composer, influential teacher in both England and Australia. Article would look decent if it wasn't for a completely uncited discography. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:39, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt went out of their way to update the article to where i think it's good for the main page now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I referenced the works, in addition to his website. A discography would be nice, but needs to be written - I think it works as it it is. Today was a tenor, and tomorrow a pianist. We can't get them all to GA state ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Keith Ball

Article: Keith Ball (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bescotbanter.net/2023/07/keith-ball.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English Footballer. Death announced on this date. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Eva Maria Daniels

Article: Eva Maria Daniels (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wasn't reported until July 5th.

• Oppose until expanded. Article has 3 sentences of prose as of right now, and needs to be seriously expanded. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 14:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This wikibio has 44 words. This is not acceptable, and must be expanded before we should even consider posting this. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:53, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, Per above. Alex-h (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 Writers Guild of America strike

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Article: 2023 Writers Guild of America strike (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24 - CBC - El Pais The Guardian - Los Angeles Times - Reuters - CNBC - CNN - VOA - NYT - WaPo
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Abeg92 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RobotGoggles (talk · give credit), LoomCreek (talk · give credit), Spinixster (talk · give credit), Sc2353 (talk · give credit) and Tvtonightokc (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This was nominated on May 2 of this year (link) and it failed to gain consensus. Some of opposition stated that they would support an ongoing nomination if it lasted for 9 weeks+, which it is as it began on May 2, 54 weeks ago. Others complained that a temporary agreement will likely be met soon, which hasn't occurred yet. Some stated that it only affected talk shows, which is also now invalid, and a user claimed that if it started delaying several shows, it should go up, which it has (and has also begun to delay several major movies as well) - see the WaPo article linked above. This event has been receiving sustained, international coverage for months now (all of the sources listed above are less than a month old and almost all are from the past week) and has and will have a major effect on the entertainment industry - you can't just dismiss this as "cElEbRiTy GoSsIp." - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 22:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Article has practically received no updates. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Ongoing - per List of productions impacted by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike. This ongoing strike is increasingly disruptive to television and movie production. Article appears updated to me. Jusdafax (talk) 23:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose first, article has had no major update recently, secondly, this affects only the entertainment industry of America, and barely has any affects on a worldwide scale, and thirdly, given that this had already been nominated on 2 May, this is not recent news. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:22, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose While the strike is important here from an entertainment industry POV, its daily events...which are next to nil as negotiations continue...have little coverage and don't really change day to day. The end of the strike would be the proper ITN point. Masem (t) 23:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - My rationale from the previous nomination still holds. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:35, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - The only daily updates are essentially to add actors to the supporters section. I've expressed skepticism over the appropriateness and encyclopedic value of that section, even. And then totally forgot to follow-up on it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

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Public broadcaster RTÉ involved in scandal

Article: RTÉ secret payment scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Irish national broadcaster RTÉ discloses fraudulent payments to several of its employees, including Ryan Tubridy. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian The Sun

 TwinBoo (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Conditional support - this would be the equivalent of the BBC, PBS/NPR, CBC, Australia's ABC, etc. being exposed for operating a massive slush fund. There is precedent in posting media stories on ITN, most recently the Dominion suit. Big news in Ireland; we shouldn't automatically discount this because it comes from a minor country per WP:ITNCDONT. However, much of the article is in list format. - Knightoftheswords (Talk · Contribs) 18:28, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until some point of legal conclusion, such as a govt imposed fine or convictions. --Masem (t) 18:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait, oppose on quality at the moment Orange tag under "Timeline" that needs to be addressed. If it wasn't for the orange tag, I'd suggest we wait per Masem. TwistedAxe [contact] 19:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think this rises to the level of ITN regardless of how major a country it happened in. As far as I can see the controversial payments total less than €1m over a number of years? Obviously big news in Ireland at the moment because of the latest revelations, but this story has been rumbling along for a good part of this year. Black Kite (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not seeing much coverage of this outside the UK and Ireland. I do see one article from France last month briefly discussing it, but that's stale. I disagree that we'd be posting this if it was from the CBC or NPR. For CBC, I don't recall anyone ever nominating the Ghomeshi scandal, for example. The use of the word 'fraud' in the blurb seems exaggerated. Nfitz (talk) 19:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

  ITN does not require widespread or international coverage; that helps with sourcing, but there can be major events outside the angelosphere that are not covered by BBC, NYTimes. etc. I can't tell at this time if this is such an event (would expect my point of conclusion would tell), though. Masem (t) 21:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is a major news story in Ireland and could possibly be the end of the national broadcaster as currently established. The impact of this is far-reaching in terms of public trust in Ireland. Further significant developments are expected.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.116.51 (talk) 00:26, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  That sounds like WP:CRYSTAL --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:10, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:58, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, my read of the badly written and poorly laid out article is that the RTÉ was overpaying its top talent, presumably to retain them. Any scandal is the result of the public nature of the funding, or more precisely, the lack thereof. This is a tempest in a teapot, with politicians trying to make the RTÉ look bad so that their decision to cut funding is ignored. Abductive (reasoning) 06:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait, Wait for some legal result. Alex-h (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Coco Lee

Article: Coco Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post China Daily
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cielquiparle (talk · give credit), Lucie Person (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chinese-American singer-songwriter, dancer, record producer and actress who died by suicide. Performed “A Love Before Time” from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon at the oscars. Article needs referencing improvements as it is orange tagged and has several cn tags. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 15:32, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article's sourcing needs fixing, as there is an orange tag and many uncited statements in the article. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 15:46, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Orange tag, additional sources needed. TwistedAxe [contact] 18:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not nearly notable enough for RD Dr Fell (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Dr Fell "Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Conditional suppport, once the citation issues have been resolved. – robertsky (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support once some more refs added. 2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:8D80:D3C:4CB:CA7D (talk) 12:03, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now (as updater) as there was a rather large passage that was an exact match with Shenzhen Daily text in English, which suggests there may be other copyvio and close paraphrasing issues throughout. (Started to edit, but still needs proper fixing.) Also...there is a rather large discography/tours section that appears to have no citations at the moment (although the film/television section looks ok). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

  • @Cielquiparle Assuming that this is the Shenzhen Daily article you're referring to, it is dated to 2017. However, looking through the article history, the content has been on Wikipedia since 2012. So I'd guess that the Shenzhen Daily article copied Wikipedia instead. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 00:51, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

    @Lucie Person Awesome. Thanks for tracking that down. Discography section is still a problem though. Cielquiparle (talk) 00:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

July 4

Portal:Current events/2023 July 4

July 4, 2023 (2023-07-04) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict July 2023 Jenin incursion The Israeli military's assault on Jenin in the West Bank, continues for a second day, killing four more Palestinians and bringing the death toll to 12, with more than 120 others injured. (Al Jazeera) July 2023 Tel Aviv attack Seven people are injured in a vehicle-ramming and stabbing attack in Tel Aviv, Israel. The perpetrator is shot dead by an armed citizen. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian forces attack Pervomaiskyi, Kharkiv Oblast, with missiles, injuring at least 38 civilians and damaging infrastructure, according to Ukrainian officials. (Reuters) Two people are killed during Russian shelling of Kherson. Three more people are injured by Russian shelling in Chernihiv. (The Guardian) Health and environment Fukushima nuclear disaster The International Atomic Energy Agency approves the Japanese government's proposal to discharge treated radioactive waste water from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant into the Pacific Ocean, with expectations of minimal radiological impact. (AFP via CNA) Effects of climate change Data from the National Centers for Environmental Prediction showed that the global average temperature reached 17.18 °C (62.92 °F), the highest recorded since 1979, with June setting a new record as the hottest month on record in most of the world. (The Washington Post) (Quartz) The temperature superceded the record high of 17.01 °C (62.62 °F) set on the previous day. (Reuters) The Directorate General of Health Services in Bangladesh reports the highest single-day count of dengue cases this year, with 678 new infections, primarily in Dhaka. (Xinhua via The Manila Times) International relations Egypt–Turkey relations Egypt and Turkey exchange ambassadors as part of a restoration of diplomatic relations. (Al Jazeera) Iran joins the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, becoming the organization's ninth member. (Reuters) Jens Stoltenberg receives a fourth extension of his mandate as the secretary general of NATO despite previously stating his intention to step down after his current term ends. (AFP via France 24) Law and crime Capital punishment in Malaysia The Abolition of Mandatory Death Penalty Act 2023 comes into effect in Malaysia, abolishing the mandatory imposition of the death penalty for the offences of drug trafficking, murder, kidnapping, and treason. (UrduPoint) Treatment of women by the Taliban The Taliban-led Afghan government mandates the closure of beauty salons nationwide within a month. (AFP via The Manila Times) Education in the Netherlands The Dutch government bans the use of consumer electronics in classrooms from January 1, 2024, citing evidence that these devices impede student learning. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Mass shootings in the United States 2023 American Fourth of July mass shootings At least 20 people are killed and 126 injured in 22 mass shootings across the United States on Independence Day. (ABC News) Tunisian youths clash with Sub-Saharan African migrants in Sfax following the murder of a local Tunisian man in a stabbing attack. More than 30 migrants are reportedly injured in the violence with many also being forcibly evicted from the city by police. (AFP via France 24) Sports 2023 World Beach Games The Association of National Olympic Committees cancels the World Beach Games scheduled next month in Bali, Indonesia, due to the host nation's withdrawal over budgetary issues. (CNN)

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RD: John Berylson

Article: John Berylson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American industrialist and philanthropist who was the owner and chairman of the English football club Millwall F.C. for 16 years. Died in car crash. Article is a bit thin and needs work. Black Kite (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality the article is a stub and there are a ton of Citation Needed tags ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Still too thin (only 266 words of prose) and in need of more sourcing. --PFHLai (talk) 05:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Iran joins SCO

Article: Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran becomes 9th member state of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Indian Express

 157.65.118.229 (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I mean... good for Iran I suppose, but I don't see how this has any long-lasting impact in the long term. TwistedAxe [contact] 23:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

  This could definitely have more significance than a lot of entries here, like if Sweden joins NATO. However article quality is not sufficient for posting on the main page. - Indefensible (talk) 00:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't see how this has any more significance than a country abandoning its 200-year long neutrality policy and providing NATO with greater geographical leverage. That, unlike this, has more impact long-term due to possible future conflicts with Russia. TwistedAxe [contact] 01:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

  Definitely could be argued either way. Sweden only has a population of 10 million whereas Iran has over 80 million though, so a lot more people are in the country involved. - Indefensible (talk) 01:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

  SCO is also not as notable and doesn't have the same geopolitical or economic value as NATO or the EU does. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Last SCO ascension, in 2017, was not posted. Not that this is a vote against, I would just like to provide this context. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on quality The orange tag, 7 cn tags and 3 bsn tags should be addressed before we consider posting. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 00:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance as this is the largest regional organisation in the world in terms of population, area and total GDP. With all resemblance to the European Union in its early stages, if we could post the accession of new EU member states, any objection to posting accession of new SCO members states on significance would be pure POV.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose It's amusing to read the SCO's previous condemnation of Iran's policies in the UN. And to note that their main military arm is called RATS ("I can't think of anything worse than a skull ... Um, a rat's..."). Anyway, the headlines that I'm seeing in the news for the SCO summit are more diverse: "At SCO meet, India refuses to back China’s BRI project", "SCO summit: Putin says sanctions making Russia stronger", "SCO Summit: Modi says ‘some countries’ are terror havens as Pakistan PM looks on". I don't get the impression that adding Iran to this club is going increase their "cooperation". It seems about as fraternal and collaborative as Wikipedia... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:19, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
  • It looks like they're welcoming any authoritarian Eurasian country with anti-Western sentiment to counter Western agenda. Iran is one of them, so they are about to "forget" past sour issues. Brandmeister^talk 15:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - This is a nontrivial addition to an ecomomic and defense pact, and I feel that if we posted NATO membership, we ought to do the same for what appears to be a rival organization even if some of the similarities are merely nominal in nature. --Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
  • "This is a nontrivial addition to an ecomomic and defense pact" - SCO isn't a defense pact. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:4048:BA85:DEB4:B3D8 (talk) 06:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

    How about that. In reading the article and its supporting references, I'm surprised to discover that "defense pact" and "defense organization" really are two different things. That'll teach me to learn to read! Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:34, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on signfiicance = I don't even see this on (the front page of) Al Jazeera news. More subjectively, I have never heard of the SCO so I'm not sure it's a very relevant geopolitical pact. I might subjectively put it below Five Eyes in importance, and I wouldn't even post a (hypothetical) news event for a country joining five eyes, for example. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to gauge the validity of this statement, as it's in the Warsaw Pact article and it's a statement with a CN tag: The USSR's successor Russia and some other post-Soviet states joined the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) in 1992, and the Shanghai Five in 1996, which was renamed the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) after Uzbekistan's addition in 2001. I had imagined SCO as being a parallel to the Warsaw Pact to effectively operate as a counter-NATO organization. Again, if we are posting news stories about membership in NATO (we nominated one particular such event like three or four times at different stages of joining), then why would we withhold similar news items regarding the SCO? Yes, the world's most well-known English-speaking economic superpower is not a member state, but China, India, and Russia are not small powers. To me, this seems like naked Eurocentrism, but perhaps I am missing something. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The SCO is not a military alliance. There is some military cooperation, but if one country gets invaded the others are not treaty-bound to assist. Therefore it is not the same as the Warsaw Pact or NATO. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand, my first reaction to "I have never heard of the SCO" is "wow, you are ignorant". Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

I have no idea what the SCO does. I have never in my life seen it in a news article. It is not relevant, and being the succesor to the more relevant (for its time of course) CSTO does not impart notability. SCO is simply not notable to me at all. I searched for SCO and Shanghai Cooperation Organization on SCMP and Al Jazeera too and didn't get many results - seems like it's not relevant in the non-West either. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The SCO is certainly not the equivalent of NATO or the former Warsaw Pact. It includes Pakistan and India (can anyone really believe they would come to each other's military assistance?) as well as China and India (dito). It's not like the EU either (or ASEAN or Mercosur for that matter), where dozens of treaties have weaved together an economic trading block. In the case of the EU, it goes even further, with member states having handed over part of their sovereignty to the supranational organisation. The SCO is not much more than a talking shop, like so many others in the world, and this news is not particularly relevant. Khuft (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I would point out that the following: In the case of the EU, it goes even further, with member states having handed over part of their sovereignty to the supranational organisation is not true at all, that is not how the EU works and you should probably strike this bit out. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I mean, the ability to regulate your own currency is a part of a country's sovereignty, so he isn't wrong. Plus all the stuff about EU member states having to abide by the Treaty on European Union. AryKun (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I guess this is big news for Iran, but this certainly does not have any major impact on the world, and this does not seem significant enough to post. Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support The SCO has four nuclear powers and half the world's population. Banedon (talk) 02:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Yes I understand its not NATO, nor will it ever likely become a rival organization to NATO in terms of scale or structure. Yes I also understand the significance of Sweden ascending to become a member of NATO after centuries of neutrality, and am not arguing that this news about IRAN is anywhere near as significant. There is no point in comparing the two. But there are many many discussions on this forum about ITN becoming more representative of global news (a noteworthy goal) Including news about an organization that covers 40% of the world's population and 1/3 of the global economy is certainly a step forward in that direction. Schwinnspeed (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

being more global should not be at the cost of giving false equivalency to nominations though. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: Considering Iran's foreign policy over the last few decades, joining the SCO is really not a major or surprising development. --StellarHalo (talk) 20:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality and significance the organisation is barely notable, and is basically a poorly made Russian knock-off of a trade block, same as that cheap Gucci handbag at your local flea market isn't the same as the handbag from the Gucci store in central Milan. Russia can only trade with a handful of authoritarian states so choosing Iran out of a choice of countries such as Eritrea, Cuba, or North Korea isn't very surprising or has any geopolitical impact. Article quality is also poor. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose So Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and China can now discuss... counterterrorism and cybersecurity. This is literally the most pointless Organization I’ve ever seen and has zero economic or military requirements to join; posting a new addition to SAARC or ASEAN would be more worthwhile. AryKun (talk) 03:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Support on the basis of diversity of coverage. Wikipedia is perfectly positioned to offer a broader perspective than the mainstream media that it's writers and reders consume normlly. It's also notable per above. 85.147.66.47 (talk) 00:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Vince Tobin

Article: Vince Tobin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NFL ESPN NBC Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Gridiron football coach who was former head coach for the Arizona Cardinals. Article needs major sourcing work. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 04:48, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Orange tag needs to be fixed. The sections "College coaching career", "Pre-NFL coaching" and "NFL coaching" are all completely uncited. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, most of the information in the article is unsourced. Suonii180 (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Too much footnote-free prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 05:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Léon Gautier (soldier)

Article: Léon Gautier (soldier) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian France 24
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French soldier who was France’s last surviving d-day veteran. Article is quite new and needs work, mainly expansion as sourcing seems adequate. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 01:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, as the article quality needs expansion. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 02:19, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support on Merit, Oppose on Quality - This is very notable for RD, and is definitely RD worthy, however, the article is still a stub and will need to be expanded a lot.Editor 5426387 (talk) 05:05, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Hate to have to oppose this but the article is a stub. Very sad that the last French D-Day veteran has left us. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Way too short. If only someone can translate the French wikibio to add some meat to the English wikibio within the next few hours... --PFHLai (talk) 05:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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