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Nathan Steuer
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on August 19

  • It probably gives a good idea of what he looked like after he lost... I looked up the Times reference and the results check out, but the article doesn't actually say that it was his first election. Lampman (talk) 17:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a fairly odd objection. For one thing, Churchill (born in November 1874) couldn't have been a candidate at the previous general election in July - August 1895, because the minimum age was then 21. For another, at the time of this by-election he was only 24, and he had to resign from the Army in order to enter into politics; he was a member of the Army from coming of age until the Oldham by-election and hadn't resigned his commission beforehand. For a third, every biography of Churchill will tell you this was his first election, or list it as the first election. Are you saying you need an explicit source saying in terms that it was the first election fought by Churchill? There are stacks of them, try note 75 here for an example. However I do think that's a fairly strange thing to ask. Sam Blacketer (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If Seaver was still active then, he was a future Hall of Famer. --74.14.21.91 (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lactarius blennius
Lactarius blennius

Articles created/expanded on August 18

Length, date and hook verified. PeterSymonds (talk) 23:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is too short, 1097 words using User:Dr_pda/prosesize.js. Also, and perhaps I am not reading the reference correctly but the reference seems to say that the institute was created for the preservation of archives of companies and related organizations and other sources relevant to economic history, not socialist history. And it says In view of the menace of fascism and barbarism in Germany and other European countries was the reason it was create, but it does not specifically say Nazi Germany. It's a very long reference document so please correct me if I am wrong. --Captain-tucker (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wasn't going for a just long enough hook, but I was trying to make a more interesting hook by connecting the Evelyn Nesbit sex scandal behind Thaw's shooting White at Madison Square Garden to the Museum of Sex. That there are two buildings that were or are in the same neighborhood wasn't quite as interesting a hook to me. Alansohn (talk) 00:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum had to auction off the world's largest mastodon skull after the curator made disparaging Internet comments about former associates?
(Anyone still think just being blocked for flaming is too severe? :-) ) Self-nom. --GRuban (talk) 20:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good hook. Can any part of its tail end ("...disparaging Internet comments...") be linked to anything? I like how the hook does NOT mention its a creationist museum...that's left as a surprise to the reader after they've been hooked. - BOSTON - 22:15, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. I was originally reluctant to make that into a link to Flaming (Internet), since that seems to risk oversimplifying, trivializing, or adding insult to injury, but if others think it doesn't do any of that, and does improve the hook, I won't fight to the death over it. --GRuban (talk) 14:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles created/expanded on August 17

We're strongly implying that this pictured mallet was actually used for these executions. Do you have any evidence that it was? It seems in remarkably good condition for that age and usage. --GRuban (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No such implication. This is just to let readers know what a Mallet looks like. It's obviously not the same one (not that the same one was used for all the executions). Savidan 02:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:Kredit.jpg
why not just "was the father" rather than "became"? Nice article. Johnbod (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think what was in my mind was to say in shorthand that he was the father of the child who became Lawrence of Arabia... but you're right, there's nothing wrong with "was the father of". Xn4 (talk) 14:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 16

High-quality nature of the expansion outweighs the fact that it's 4.98x, strictly speaking. Interesting hook, as well. Ref from book accepted in good faith (ISBN checked on Google Book search). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and article history verified. Same ref used as on the Neil Dewar hook above. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and article history verified. As well as noting the offline sources supporting the hook, I was able to verify it (and the King's condolence message) using this source from a RCT council page. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

100x100px|right|Garden house of the Bethmanns, purchased by Johann Philipp Bethmann in 1783

Can someone load that pic to Wkimedia Commons? --74.14.21.91 (talk) 02:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kasivisvesvara temple, Lakkundi
Kasivisvesvara temple, Lakkundi
or,
or,
or,
It seems like only the third suggestion is saying anything significant. Any country is going to have teenage violence, and "Palestinians along with Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs" covers almost the whole population, right? How about:
I must admit that I'm not that fond of neither alternative, but if I was forced to chose I'd take the latter. Any signling out ethnic groups as criminals should best be avoided in DYK. --Soman (talk) 21:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I like Mycroft7's suggestion, and the third hook is also good. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 07:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a specific species of lightning bug, but I'm wondering if Firefly should be mentioned here. dm (talk) 02:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lactarius piperatus
Lactarius piperatus
Obelisk of Theodosius
Obelisk of Theodosius

Articles created/expanded on August 15

Empègue - dated V L J 2000
Empègue - dated V L J 2000
Length, date and hook verified. Nice work! :) -- RyRy (talk) 05:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook is too long. I counted 266 characters, should be 200 or less. Article length was 2,696 characters, which by my count you now have 13,610 so you meet the x5 requirement (2,696x5=13,480). Mitico (talk) 16:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Spårakoff
Spårakoff

Articles created/expanded on August 14

Where's the hook? All moved to the August 11 section. --74.14.21.91 (talk) 17:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:IMG 3048 toryburch.jpg
File:Tipwindmill.jpg
  • A bit difficult that, if you look on the map it is in Tiptree. The mill is commonly known as Tiptree Windmill and no doubt if you ask the residents of Tiptree they will say it is "their" mill. It actually stands in the parish of Tolleshunt Knights, hence the title of the article. Mjroots (talk) 07:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Link added to my reply showing that mill is commonly known as Tiptree windmill. Mjroots (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alt hook ... that Tiptree Windmill (pictured) has walls that are 4 feet (1.22 m) thick? Mjroots (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: *... that Jimmy Jack returned to his hometown of Perth after an argument with his The Black Balloon co-writer? less words?? Victuallers (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New article by User:Jordan Timothy James Busson; Nom by J.T Pearson (talk) 07:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Etna
Mount Etna
A bureaucratic pseudofact like smallest natural area in Pennsylvania seems easily avoidable.--Wetman (talk) 14:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT:"... Hoverter and Sholl Box Huckleberry Natural Area protects a specimen of box huckleberry over 1,000 years old?" - Boston (talk) 17:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is a double DYK, both the Natural Area and the Box Huckleberry articles are new. I prefer the original hook. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about ... that the smallest Natural Area in Pennsylvania protects a stand of box huckleberry (pictured), but another stand nearby is the oldest plant in the United States? I've just made the corresponding change to the article, to reflect what I understand to be the crux of Wetman's objection. (That is, the distinction between "natural areas" in general, and tracts of land designated as "Natural Areas" and protected by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.) Choess (talk) 19:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not a new article, nor has it been expanded beyond the addition of the fact. DYK rules call for a fivefold expansion of readable text for preexisting articles to qualify. Benea (talk) 22:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on August 13

You are correct, I moved this to August 13. --Captain-tucker (talk) 11:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note, not quite a 5x expansion, but was an unnoticed copyvio. See Art LaPella's talk page.
or ... that American physician John Ziegler pioneered anabolic steroids but later said "... healthy athletes are putting themselves in the same category as drug addicts. It's a disgrace. Who plays sports for fun anymore?" Autodidactyl (talk) 12:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The portion of the first hook that says "pioneered their use with U.S. weightlifting champion Bill March of the York Barbell club in 1959" is cited to a geocities website, which is not a reliable source. Thingg 15:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Added 2 more reputable but less succinct sources. (NIDA Research Monograph 1990, Number 102 - PDF) and (Journal of Sport History, 1993, Vol.20 - PDF) Autodidactyl (talk) 07:20, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prose is about 1525 by my count, but moreover, the demographics section should be included in the count, making the article just below 2000 characters. -- P199 (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The intro states "Proposed articles should not be marked as stubs", and Oyem's talk page states that it is a stub. Is it an outdated grade? If it can be upgraded or edited to do such, it would be ideal. Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 03:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, sometimes people forget to remove the {{stub}} tag when nominating articles for DYK. In any case, this article is a little too short at 1299 characters of prose. Thingg 04:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The first hook checks out but I like the second hook more and I'd like to see it cited where it's first stated in the intro, because it's not repeated later in the article. Daniel Case (talk) 02:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since we don't usually do sources in the intro, given its just a concise summary of the article, I added a notice in the Impact section with two sources (one for the swimmer, and another for the 49 Jamaican deaths). Is that good? Hurricane Angel Saki (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 02:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Map of the Bulgarian communities in Romania
Map of the Bulgarian communities in Romania
Sigh... bureaucracy :) New hook to remove those 5 characters if that's the real issue. 189 chars now. TodorBozhinov 11:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues 217 character hook.Dan1980 (talk ♦ stalk) 22:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 12

— Cheers, JackLee talk 15:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC) (expanded article and nominated it).[reply]


*... that Will Dockery built Dockery Plantation (pictured) (home of such legendary bluesmen as Charlie Patton, Tommy Johnson, and Robert Johnson), thus being fundamental in the development of the Mississippi blues? (self nom) —Mattisse (Talk) 16:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 20:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, reference and history verified. Daniel Case (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic incivil discussion deleted

Length, date, and ref verified. See above nom for explanation as my method and reasoning are the same. Thingg 18:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be an acceptable alt nom. I could have gone for five, or six, but there just isn't enough space for characters. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lengths, dates, and hooks verified. (*off topic*) I have to admit I laughed when I saw this edit summary to an addition of ~12000 bytes.... Thingg 03:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alt nom - ... that in addition to Boswell's famous Life (1791), major accounts of Samuel Johnson's life include the Anecdotes (1786), the rival Life (1787), An Essay (1792), and the Thraliana? self-nom, six part nom Ottava Rima (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
additional articles verified. Thingg 17:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alt nom - ... that in addition to Boswell's famous Life (1791), major accounts of Samuel Johnson's life include Biographical Sketch (1784), Anecdotes (1786), the rival Life (1787), Essay (1792), and Thraliana? self nom, seven parts, I forgot the original postmortem work on Johnson, whcihw as too important to leave out. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
good article but banal hook. Surely the heroic solo nest-building and rearing behaviour of the female is more interesting? Autodidactyl (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT:... the female Rufous Songlark builds a nest and rears her chicks alone? - Boston (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The cited sources only back this article up so far as the female incubating the eggs alone. Daniel Case (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please recheck [3]. Thanks! - Boston (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and history verified; offline ref accepted on AGF grounds. Can we find a way to word this so it doesn't sound like this happened during a game? Daniel Case (talk) 19:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, the stub contained 138 characters of prose but a list that accounted for 848 characters. I have based the 5x expansion on real prose, not the list. I hope my interpretation of the rules about this were correct. ~ AmeIiorate U T C @ 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. #Instructions says " ... articles whose main body text has been expanded fivefold ... " (emphasis added) Art LaPella (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Reworded hook; it seems the country isn't used in the organization's name. Daniel Case (talk) 19:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Superwhat??? (Linked to Pension) - 22:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Length and history verified; accepting above on good faith. Rewrote to tighten up and make wording less awkward. Daniel Case (talk) 19:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The source only says that Brooks trained him and doesn't mention the school. Daniel Case (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 11


  • Actually, the award is referred to by it's official name, Verdienstorden der Bundesrepublik Deutschland, in English (The Grand Cross of the Order of Merit, Federal Republic of Germany) in the first ref. Article verified. Thingg 01:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oops, being an American over the age of 12, I didn't catch that U-16 meant under-16 soccer players. We'll go with the following
Again, sounds like a quite ordinary thing. We all learn something from parents :) NVO (talk) 01:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's too common for a soccer player's high-school coach to be his father, but I could be wrong. Either way, I don't really care, but I think the hook is fine. Thingg 00:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not thrilled with this hook. At any rate, the phrase "none other" should not be included. - Boston (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Off-topic incivil discussion deleted.

I am mystified as to how this article's citations are inadequate as the #Instructions don't set any strict requirements for citations other than stating that the article must have incline citations (as opposed to a simple "external links" section). Also, it clearly states that Articles with good references and citations are preferred (emphasis mine), not required. In addition, New York and Harlem Railroad, which is currently on the main page (ie. it was successfully approved) has far less "professional" (if I may use that term) citations than this article does. The only potential problem with this nom is whether the hook is interesting enough. There is no problem with the article itself. Thingg 18:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Well then I guess you missed the poll on the discussions page, where a proposal to have properly formatted references was passed overwhelmingly. If the rules have not been updated to reflect the current state of play they may need to be rephrased, but Bedford knows about the vote and so I don't think he should be proposing articles for promotion which do not meet the new requirements unless he is prepared to correct the problem himself or else persuade the creator of the article to correct it. Gatoclass (talk) 12:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you said this was a gray area? In nother words, had anyone else nominated this, it would have been accepted, but since I did, it gets thrown away.--King Bedford I Seek his grace 12:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I did say it was a grey area. But then I reconsidered and decided it doesn't make much sense to have the ruling only cover self-noms and not noms on behalf of other people. Gatoclass (talk) 13:07, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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