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This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page. If you nominate an article, please consider reviewing another nomination. This will help cut down on the number of unreviewed nominations.

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Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

DYK criteria

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How to list a new nomination

For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

   To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
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An example of how to use the template is given below. Don't forget to fill out the rollover text, so people know what the image is of! Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | author     = User
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 | image      = Example.png
 | rollover   = An example image
 | alttext    = Description of the image
 | comment    =
}}

• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
• Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
• If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name}}

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Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the additional rules.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
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	{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 30

Ashleigh Grimshaw, Robbie Olivier

• ... that Robbie "The Flame" Olivier and Ashleigh "The Thunderball Kid" Grimshaw faced off at Cage Rage 27 - Step Up for the Cage Rage British Featherweight Championship?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• The event refs are done, I think, but the nicknames are sourced in the infobox on the right of the article. If the nicknames need to be in the prose, please send me a talk message and I'll sort that out. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• The hook and the source check out, but I'm not 100% sure on this one. I'm not usually the one saying this, but how 'hooky' is this source, really? If you look through my DYK noms, I'm sure to be the last person you'd expect to say this (although mine are interesting, they're not as interesting as some that I have seen are!). Could you explain what's interesting about this one for me so I can tick it? Arctic Night 12:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Didn't realise we had rules about the level of interest hooks have... Anyway, any fans of MMA will know these two and the organisation, so it'll draw them to these new articles. They also have interesting nicknames that may garner some small interest. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Things put on MainPage are meant for a general audience, not just fans of any particular sports. If there is a hook that would appeal to a wider readership, it would be great. This is not an absolute requirement for DYK, but those hooks that DYK clerks find more "interesting" usually get picked earlier. --PFHLai (talk) 04:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Which is fair enough, but I say this has just as much hook appeal as some suggestions on dyk. Paralympiakos (talk) 16:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

A "hookier" alt version could be crafted that doesn't give so much detail and leaves the reader wanting to know the rest of the story. Maybe .... that Robbie "The Flame" Olivier and Ashleigh "The Thunderball Kid" Grimshaw faced off at Cage Rage 27? Cbl62 (talk) 08:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see how removing the title status in the hook makes it "hookier", but if people are happier with that, then it's cool by me, so thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 08:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Debye-Hückel theory

• ... that Debye–Hückel theory provides a theoretical explanation for departures from ideality in dilute solutions of electrolytes?

Created by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• It's a redirect. - PM800 (talk) 02:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No it isn't. There was a redirect. I had tagged the old redirect for deletion, but it appears that it is still around, so it seems that there are two files with the same name. Please, admin, sort this out. Petergans (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Please explain. The Debye–Hückel theory redirect is valid and needs no deletion. The Debye–Hückel equation article is neither new nor has been 5x expanded recently. So what is being nominated for DYK? Materialscientist (talk) 08:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The article is at Debye-H%C3%BCckel_theory: Debye-Hückel_theory
The redirect is at Debye%E2%80%93H%C3%BCckel_theory: Debye–Hückel_theory
The difference is the former has a hyphen in the title, the latter a dash. EdChem (talk) 09:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you User:EdChem for finding the problem. I have put a delete request in for the redundant redirect. Debye-Hückel theory is a new article which I have written because Debye-Hückel equation made no mention of where the equation comes from. Petergans (talk) 20:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I'd love to see this topic on the main page, but these two articles overlap too much. A merger tag may appear any hour. The problem is this nom. might be viewed as futile creation of a new article (for DYK) instead of fixing an old one. Materialscientist (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

What's the status here? It looks to me like the two articles might have been harmonized with the intent of allowing them to remain as separate articles. (I must say that I was surprised to see that the topic of Debye-Hückel showed up as a new article this many years into Wikipedia's history, but maybe these are two independent articles.) Are they going to remain separate, or hasn't this been discussed? --Orlady (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

In my view the article Debye-Hückel equation is wholly inadequate. Reading it, a chemistry student would get no idea of the theory behind the equation. Two articles should remain separate. I could not justify spending more of my time on this topic area. Petergans (talk) 11:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The Female Quixote

• ... that The Female Quixote was used as a model by Jane Austen for her first novel, Northanger Abbey?

Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• Amazon.com is not a reliable source. This link is a student essay, and also not a reliable source. Enotes.com is a tertiary source, and is of dubious reliability.--hkr Laozi speak 00:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• I did a thorough search for alternatives and none of them quite say what is in the hook, agreed that the two sources you mention are not really reliable. It is certainly clear that 'Female Quixote' influenced Austen in writing her book e.g. [1], so perhaps that sort of wording could be used instead. Mikenorton (talk) 02:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The whole article is in need of more reliable sources. Here are some links to academic journal articles that could be used (although not necessarily for this hook): [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] --Orlady (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Note: The creator/nominator's talk page has a header that pleads for patience: "So, so sorry, everyone! :( My computer's broken down, and it's taking over a week to fix it, so I do apologize if I haven't been able to get back to some comments on my talk page. I'll do all I can to fix it as soon as my computer comes back, I promise! Email me for anything urgent, please - though it probably won't be likely. :) Love, Clementina talk 06:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)" --Orlady (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 1

Demographics of Oceania

• ... that only three nations of Oceania have a population of over a million, and they constitute over 90% of the region's population?

Created by Jraytram (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 18:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: student project (see Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Workbench). Hook based on simple math breakdown of the referenced numbers in the table.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• As a split from Oceania#Demographics, this does not seem to have enough in the way of new content to qualify for DYK. (It's a nice piece of work, though.) Also, there are many bare URLs needing to be cleaned up. With cleanup, this could become a WP:Featured list. --Orlady (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Could you leave a comment to that note on the student's (author's) talk page? It will be nice to show them how we work. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Robert Olmstead

• ... that Robert Olmstead's novel Far Bright Star is set in "the place of the sun shriveled and the dried up", and has been named by booklist as one of the Top Ten Westerns of the Decade?

• ALT1:... that Robert Olmstead's novel Coal Black Horse won the 2007 Chicago Tribune Heartland Prize for Fiction and has been described as evoking what Henry David Thoreau described in Walden as "the indescribable innocence and beneficence of Nature"?

Created by EdChem (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Following on from the discussion at WT:DYK#DYK as a possible part the sourcing of BLP drive, I am posting this nomination as a test of that idea. The pre-expansion unreferenced version had less than 1000 characters and was unsourced since March 2008. My cumulative changes have added 8 references and more than doubled the character count. Are these changes considered sufficient to make the nomination DYK / main page worthy? Multiple perspectives welcome. EdChem (talk) 06:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• You did a fantastic job finding references, but DYK doesn't quite look for just that. What counts is the amount of prose, not the character count or number of references. You also didn't create the article; Bereavedhero (talk · contribs) did. You could have expanded it 5x since then, but 1,964 characters of prose before expansion / 953 characters of prose before expansion = only ~2x expansion. Unless you can get this article to roughly 4,765 characters of prose by the end of tomorrow (there's a 10-day limit I believe), then this thing just can't possibly make the cut. Sorry :( --Dylan620 ^{(t • c)} 21:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Please do not make a final decision with respect to this nomination without reviewing the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#unsourced BLP Drive. EdChem (talk) 12:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 2

Candide ou l'optimisme du XXe siècle

• ... that Candide ou l'optimisme au XXe siècle is a French comedy drama film from 1960, based on Voltaire's satiric novel Candide, ou l'Optimisme, and set in the World War II era?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 19:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• I read the Plot section to find a better hook, and found that the page needs copy editing for clarity (e.g. "Candide's experience includes service in German army, inspecting concentration camp") and to avoid copyvios (e.g. "accidentally precipitates a missile conflict" or "neither surprising nor disillusioning" — both terms lifted verbatim from the sources). Yoninah (talk) 18:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
• I made some changes. "Candide" is one of the most important works of Voltaire's. It was very famous in the end of 18th century. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 15:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I know that Candide is important, but this article is about the film, not the book. I did a thorough copy edit, using the sources provided. However, 57% of the prose part of the article is the plot summary, and the rest is just production notes. The article is still essentially a stub. Yoninah (talk) 20:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• It has more than 1500 characters in prose. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with Yoninah. Most of the prose is plot. The lead paragraph is just a list of cast members and title translations. Besides that, there is about a line and a half. - PM800 (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 3

Bias in Singapore

• ... that Singapore law on whether a decision-maker is affected by apparent bias is based on the premise that "justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done"?

Created by Siauderman (talk). Nominated by Smuconlaw (talk) at 08:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Could you explain what is going on here with the dates? Was the article created in userspace on 22 January 2010, or in a sandbox? Yoninah (talk) 14:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for reviewing the nomination. It was created in the sandbox "User:Smuconlaw/Apparent bias in Singapore", which I have nominated for deletion. But if you click on the link, it will indicate that the article was moved into the main namespace on 4 November. (This also shows up if you use a tool like DYK Check.) — SMUconlaw (talk) 15:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the article was moved with this edit (on 3 November actually). Any chance of a better hook? Grsz¹¹ 16:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Ummm ... ALT1: "... that there are conflicting Singapore High Court judgments on the proper test to apply when determining if a decision-maker is affected by apparent bias?" (I'm racking my brains here; it's a fairly technical article.) — SMUconlaw (talk) 18:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that one definition of judicial bias in Singapore is that a "reasonable and fair-minded person" who is present in court and knows all the relevant facts suspects that a fair trial isn't possible? Yoninah (talk) 19:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Works for me too! — SMUconlaw (talk) 09:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Breiðamerkurjökull and Höfn

• ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier of the larger glacier of Vatnajökull, can be approached from the fishing town of Höfn?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 08:45, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think this hook would be interesting to enough people for the English Wikipedia front page, but that's just my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 05:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• This should please the masses: ALT1: ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier of the larger glacier of Vatnajökull, was used as a stand-in for Siberia in the film Lara Croft: Tomb Raider?--hkr Laozi speak 04:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• It is a double article hook and the name of Höfn should also be part of any alternate hook. Hence, original hook is fine though not interesting enough. -- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 14:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Completed the sentence.--Wetman (talk) 19:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Oh! I see, sorry about that. How about: ALT2: ... that Breiðamerkurjökull (pictured), an outlet glacier near the fishing town of Höfn, was used as a stand-in for Siberia in the film Lara Croft: Tomb Raider?--hkr Laozi speak 03:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Alt 2 would be fine.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 06:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The image is great, the article length (for the new article on Breiðamerkurjökull) and 5x expansion (for Höfn) meet criteria, and I like the Lara Croft hook, but unfortunately I cannot verify that hook. The online source cited in the article does not specifically indicate that Breiðamerkurjökull was a filming location, and I have not been able to find a WP:RS source online that says that (but I have not searched exhaustively). Also, the Höfn article did not mention Breiðamerkurjökull or anything else discussed in the Lara Croft hook (other than "fishing town"). I added a sentence about Lara Croft, but if this is going to be a double hook, I think there should be more of a connection between the article and the hook. --Orlady (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Can you think of two seperate hooks for each article? They don't have to be a double, although we are doing an A-Z of countries and are often trying to kill two birds with one stone with or nominations that's all.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Cleveland Sight Center

• ... that Cleveland Sight Center has over 100 staff members working with the blind or visually impaired?

Created by Ace of Raves (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comments: student project (see WP:USPP). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• It is very common for specialized medical clinics to treat patients with ailments related to the clinic's specialty. Is there anything more interesting that the obvious fact that a medical clinic treats patients or the size of its staff? --Allen3 ^talk 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cooks Source infringement controversy

• ... that the Cooks Source infringement controversy "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age"?

Created/expanded by Hagcel (talk), Jokestress (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 00:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The source says it "may well become a digital textbook example of how not to respond to grievances in the internet age" (my emphasis), not that it is such an example. I know it's a small distinction, but I think it's important, especially for a claim that would go on the Main Page. cmadler (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with cmadler. Just like the omission of a single word from the Wicked Bible created a new and unintended commandment, stripping the word "may" from the cited source has significantly changed the sourced facts. --Allen3 ^talk 13:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Updated fact and article per request. Jokestress (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's not exactly the best hook in the world. It's one person's opinion about what may come to pass, and provides no basis for the conclusion. That's not really a fact, per se. Do you have an actual fact that you can use as a hook? Uncle G (talk) 01:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Judith Griggs, who played a big role in the Cooks Source infringement controversy, was formerly a town planner and a conservation agent? --Secret Saturdays (talk to me)^{what's new?} 02:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Better. It's factual. But it doesn't seem right for the main page of Wikipedia to be joining in the sport of putting M. Griggs' name everywhere. We're supposed to be better than that. Do you have something dealing with the WWW sites or the Facebook accounts? Uncle G (talk) 02:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I have one other suggestions: ALT2 ... that during the Cooks Source infringement controversy, there was a campaign that began to reward advertisers who had pulled their ads from the magazine? Secret Saturdays (talk to me)^{what's new?} 06:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • ALT 1 is interesting, because Griggs' behavior/attitude in the recent incident parallels her style of interaction that led to termination of the earlier positions. ALT 2 can be sourced to 2nd Street Bakery, but the real notability here is Griggs' response to Gaudio, which led to what may be the first non-anonymous Facebook-based crowdsourced investigation and internet vigilantism (see text). Most previous incidents against people like Griggs involved hiding behind anonymity. Griggs was so wrong, and her response was so passive-aggressive and disrespectful (see text), that she really did set a new standard for "how not to respond to grievances in the internet age," per source in article. Jokestress (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Le Diable et les Dix Commandements

• ... that according to Bosley Crowther in film Le Diable et les Dix Commandements (pictured)

the best episode is that one, in which play Louis de Funes and Jean-Claude Brialy? Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 13:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Very poor English in this hook ("the best is episode in which play"). You should probably also have someone go over the article, as well. - PM800 (talk) 04:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
• "the best episode is that one where". Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 08:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, that doesn't make sense, either. I should probably write the hook correctly for you, but I just don't think it would be interesting enough. Maybe you could pick another fact from the article? - PM800 (talk) 09:37, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• "the best episode is that one, in which..." Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC) Perhaps
• ALT1 ... that the film Le Diable et les Dix Commandements was starred by several famous French actors?

ALT2 ... that the 1963 French comedy/drama Le Diable et les Dix Commandements, a series of sketches which depict the various outcomes of breaking the Ten Commandments, only has seven episodes? DS (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I don't understand the point in filling up Wikipedia with movie notes from the Internet Movie Database. Like your recent page creation, Candide ou l'optimisme du XXe siècle, this article is little more than production notes, a plot summary, and a cast list. In this case, you've neglected to provide an inline citation for the plot summary. You also have a lengthy list of External Links which should instead be used as sources for the article. Yoninah (talk) 15:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Pancartes

• ... that historian Marjorie Chibnall states that the medieval historian Orderic Vitalis used now lost pancartes of various Norman monastic houses as sources for Orderic's historical writings?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. However, this hook is a bit hard to understand. Could you say something that would appeal to a layman? Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm not really sure that you can make the subject less than obtuse to anyone ... I'm open to suggestions. I actually borrowed Iridescent's hook that she suggested... as I couldn't think of one myself. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Another suggestion was close to this (I've updated a hair):
• ALT1: ... that in medieval Normandy, gifts to monasteries were often rerecorded on pancartes? Ealdgyth - Talk 23:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I like ALT1. But why "rerecorded" and not just "recorded"? Yoninah (talk) 08:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Because a pancarte is like a compiled book of deeds ... the actual charter was the original, and then the monks would make the pancarte which rerecorded the gift on another document. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think ALT1 is better. AGF offline source. Johnbod (talk) 15:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

North Bothnia Line

• ... that the proposed North Bothnia Line will allow high-speed trains to travel from Stockholm to Luleå Central Station?

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Need a Swedish speaker to verify the sourcing, but both as long enough. North Bothnia Line is just barely there, and chance of expanding just a tad? Grsz¹¹ 16:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1968 Summer Olympics

• ... that all four football venues at the 1968 Summer Olympics would be used as FIFA World Cup stadia when Mexico hosted the Cup in 1970 and 1986?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Åland Museum, Åland Maritime Museum

• ... that in Mariehamn, the Åland Museum contains a boat made of seal skin dated to the Stone Age whilst Åland Maritime Museum contains a ship named the Pommern (pictured), dated to 1903?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 10:32, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 11:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh Housing Board

A portrait of a middle-aged man with a yellow turban, a white sash from his right shoulder running across his chest and medals adorning his black Nehru jacket

• ... that Hyderabad-based Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, was conceived by Nizam Osman Ali Khan, Asaf Jah VII (pictured) in 1911?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT 1 ... that the architecture of buildings constructed by Hyderabad-based Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, came to be known as Osmanian?

ALT 2 ... that the Andhra Pradesh Housing Board, which was formerly known as City Improvement Board, constructed several Hyderabad landmarks such as Moazzam Jahi Market and Osmania Hospital?

• Creation date and length verified. Hook citation is good. Hook might need a tweak for interest factor though. The Interior(Talk) 21:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added 2 ALT hooks now. What do you think? Mspraveen (talk) 03:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Confederazione dei Sindacati Unici Classisti del Territorio libero di Trieste

• ... that it took the Titoist trade unionists in the Free Territory of Trieste over two years to form their own confederation, after the Soviet-Yugoslav split of 1948?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• If you disregard the various translations in the article, there are less than 1,500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 04:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Since when are translations not counted as part of the prose? It is not mentioned neither in WP:DYK nor Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Additional_article_length_rules. --Soman (talk) 05:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• The rules state: "In practice, articles longer than 1,500 characters may still be rejected as too short, at the discretion of the selecting reviewers and administrators." - PM800 (talk) 05:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• On the other hand, this is probably the sole Titoist union in the world ever to exist outside of Yugoslavia (which, if it could be sourced, would have made a great DYK hook) and thus a quite unique political phenomenon. --Soman (talk) 20:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. The article is not long enough, in my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hamersley & Robe River railway

• ... that, with 1,300 kilometres (810 mi) of track, Rio Tinto's Hamersley & Robe River railway is the largest privately owned heavy freight rail network in Australia?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 14:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Absolutely not. The hook is copied verbatim from [7]. This article also contains multiple copyvios. The "Trains" section, which I marked, is copied from [8]. In the "History" section, "would increase competition, stop infrastructure double-ups and reduce damage to sensitive native title and environmental regions" is copied from [9]. I ask that you cease encroaching upon the core policy of WP:COPYVIO. Whwya (talk) 08:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

See Talk:Hammersley & Robe River railway for more. Calistemon (talk) 08:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Alterations to the text of the article have been made to address any perceived copyright problems. Calistemon (talk) 12:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Yuri Alcantara

• ... that after beating the highly touted prospect Francisco "Massaranduba" Drinaldo via armbar, Yuri Alcantara was signed by World Extreme Cagefighting to appear on their last ever event?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 13:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5

Harl Maggert (1910s outfielder)

• ... that baseball outfielder Harl Maggert was on pace to win a batting title when he was permanently suspended for throwing games?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 04:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Michael Willian Costa

• ... that Michael Willian Costa is a mixed martial arts fighter who competes in the strawweight (115lbs) division?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

No Mercy (2000)

• ... that a match at the World Wrestling Federation's No Mercy (2000) event resulted from one wrestler hitting another with a car to protest racism?

5x expanded by Richard "Wrestler" Lopez (talk). Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk) at 05:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Newhouse Research Site

• ... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) is currently the largest private drug discovery centre in Scotland?

• ALT1:... that the Newhouse Research Site (pictured) was responsible for the identification of rocuronium and selective relaxant binding agent?

Created by Rb401 (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 23:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Fisherton Delamere

• ... that the civil parish of Fisherton Delamere (church pictured) was extinguished in 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 07:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I could only think about fires so I checked wiktionary and you are correct. So I've linked it to the list of meanings Victuallers (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles A. Miller House

• ... that the Charles A. Miller House (pictured) was built for the oldest funeral director in Cincinnati, Ohio?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• 5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Short and sweet hook — those are the best! Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Erick Silva

• ... that Erick Silva competed in "one of the wettest events in MMA history" when the outdoor event was subjected to torrential rain?

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 16:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Alt1: that martial artist Erick Silva competed in "one of the wettest events in MMA history" when the outdoor event was subjected to torrential rain? (Bit of background for the unfamiliar.) 97198 (talk) 14:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

West Shore (magazine)

• ... that the magazine West Shore (example cover pictured) was published in Portland, Oregon and was well known for its excellent illustrations of Pacific Northwest scenery, architecture, and commerce?

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date check out and it's a very nice article. But... while the hook (currently in lede) can be inferred from the entire article, and from some of the inline cites in the last two sentences, it needs an inline cite for this specific statement. Alternatively, reword the hook. Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Kanimozhi (film)

• ... that the forthcoming Tamil film Kanimozhi starring Jai and Shazahn Padamsee, was named after politician M. K. Kanimozhi and had its soundtrack released by her father, M. Karunanidhi?

5x expanded by Universal Hero (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Mount Newman railway

• ... that on 21 June 2001, on the Mount Newman railway, a BHP Billiton iron ore train consisting of 682 cars broke the world record for the heaviest train, weighing 99,734 tons and being 7.3 kilometres long?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 15:42, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

St Leonard's Church, Bridgnorth

• ... that the aisles of St Leonard's Church, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, (tower pictured) were destroyed when stored ammunition was ignited by cannon fire in the Civil War in 1646?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Promised Land (CBC Radio One)

• ... that during the recording of the CBC Radio One program Promised Land, presenter Natasha Fatah reportedly broke down in tears in response to her interviewees' stories about being a refugee?

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Li Gang incident

• ... that my dad is Li Gang! was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer, convinced he would avoid facing criminal consequences?

Created by Comte0 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps clarify a bit with "...was yelled by the son of a Chinese police officer after hitting and killing a pedestrian whilst drunk, convinced..." - readers might want to know why he was yelling. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's good: the link on criminal refers to the hitting and killing, and the second part of the hook is the reason why he yelled. I then feel your version to be somewhat too long. Some words might be added about the driver being drunk, but he is actually charged for criminal negligence. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 08:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that a Chinese police officer's son, convinced that he would avoid facing criminal consequences after hitting a pedestrian, yelled "My dad is Li Gang!"? - PM800 (talk) 08:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Support this alt. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:05, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Why not. I added the missing question mark ;) Comte0 (talk) 12:26, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This article seems to contain some close paraphrasing or borderline plagiarism. For example:

• Source: "the other, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and is in stable condition"

Article: "The other, Zhang Jingjing, 19, suffered a fractured left leg and was left in stable condition"

• Source: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on Oct. 21. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on Oct. 22."

Article: "Li Gang wept in an apology during an interview with China Central Television on 21 October. Li Qiming also apologized in a video released on 22 October"

• Source: "The director asked lawyer Zhang Kai to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

Article: "On November 1, Zhang Kai . . . was asked to terminate his representation in this case because the law firm has been cautioned by Beijing Bureau of Justice"

• These (and possibly others) must be rewritten in your own words before the article can appear on DYK. Intelligentsium 00:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I can do that tonight. However, I'm french, and I think that what you've pointed out clearly falls outside of the copyright laws. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 07:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Regardless of copyright laws, the DYK rules don't really allow it, and I recall seeing something similar on a WP policy page somewhere. Also, the Wikipedia servers are located in Florida, and not France; hence French laws don't apply to Wikipedia. I could paraphrase them if you like. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Paraphrasing done. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 08:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you! Comte0 (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Okomu National Park

• ... that the Okomu National Park in Nigeria, home to many rare species, is severely threatened by illegal forestry?

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Okomu and Cross River national parks in Nigeria, both home to many rare species including Chimpanzees, are both increasingly threatened by illegal forestry?

This would combine two articles in one hook. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Teslim Balogun

• ... that Teslim Balogun became the first Nigerian footballer to play in the Football League, before qualifying as the first African professional coach?

Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self nom at 14:26, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• "before later"="before" Victuallers (talk) 14:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Oh yeah, thanks! Brain obviously not functioning...GiantSnowman 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6

Ed Hahn

• ... that, after breaking his nose in the 1906 World Series, Ed Hahn batted .429 to help the Chicago White Sox win their first championship?

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 23:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Arlanda Line, Arlanda Express, Arlanda North Station, Arlanda Central Station, Arlanda South Station

• ... that the Arlanda Line and the three stations Arlanda North, Arlanda Central and Arlanda South was partially financed by giving the Arlanda Express (pictured) a 40-year monopoly?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Rygge Station

• ... that Rygge Station (pictured), opened in 1879, became an airport rail link when Moss Airport, Rygge opened in 2008?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The airport page and station page put the date at the airport's opening in two different years with two different months. What is the correct date? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The station article and the body of the airport article where correct, while the lead in the airport article for some reason was wrong. It is fixed now. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

William Dennison Clark

• ... that William Dennison Clark (pictured), whose "wretched blunder" in 1905 ended Michigan's 56-game unbeaten streak in football, killed himself 27 years later, expressing the hope to atone for his error?

Created/expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I dunno about this one; the statement "Some newspaper accounts reported at the time that his letter also expressed hope that his "final play" would atone for his error at Marshall Field" seems a bit... iffy. It feels very wrong to attribute his suicide solely to an athletic error 27 years earlier. DS (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Crissal Thrasher

• ... that even when the Crissal Thrasher is disturbed by a person or a predator, the bird is likely to run away for cover?

5x expanded by Joe Chill (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• add "instead of flying away", otherwise the hook looks stupid. DS (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• the hook is a very close paraphrase of this source [10] (which is cited), I've had a quick go at rewording that sentence in the article but there may be others that need doing and this hook needs to be rewritten. Mikenorton (talk) 05:31, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Norwich Market

• ... that in the 16th century people convicted of sedition had their ears nailed to the pillory in Norwich Market, and when their pillory time was completed their ears were cut off?

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Salt industry in Syracuse, New York

• ... that until the end of the 19th century, the bulk of the salt used in the United States came from salt producers in Syracuse, New York?

Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have left a note on the author's usertalkpage to remind him/her to avoid close paraphrasing. If there's no improvements in the article within the next week or so, please disregard this nomination. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope this is good enough improvement in the eyes of those who really want to avoid close paraphrasing. --PFHLai (talk) 04:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

List of incidents of grave disorder in the British House of Commons

• ... that grave disorder has broken out 27 times in the House of Commons since 1902, including mass brawls, organised disruption, and things being thrown from the gallery?

Created by User:Sam Blacketer (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Lists need 1500 characters of prose to meet DYK requirements. Would it be possible to manage this? SmartSE (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • You could start by linking it to the rules for the televisation of Parliament in the event of grave disorder. Uncle G (talk) 03:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jule Sugarman

• ... that Jule Sugarman helped design and administer the Head Start Program, which and has served 27 million American children from low-income families since its inception its inception in 1965?

Created by Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

The Shadows (EP), The Shadows to the Fore, Spotlight on The Shadows, The Boys (The Shadows EP)

• ... that the eponymous extended play by The Shadows, The Shadows to the Fore, Spotlight on The Shadows and The Boys all were number-one EPs in the UK?

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1972 Winter Olympics

• ... that a malfunctioning starting gate at the luge venue during the men's doubles event at the 1972 Winter Olympics in Sapporo would lead to the only tie in Olympic luge history?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 20:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1... that a reserve luge venue was constructed for the 1972 Winter Olympics in Sapporo, but was never used in actual competition? Chris (talk) 20:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Belvedere, United States Virgin Islands and Sugar production in the United States Virgin Islands

• ... that Belvedere, one of the historical centres of Sugar production in the United States Virgin Islands, contains a villa hotel which has been converted from an old sugar mill?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Allan J. Kuethe

• ... that Allan J. Kuethe, an historian of Latin American studies, worked to establish the Texas Tech University Center in Seville, Spain?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This current version of the article looks like it includes the biographies of two different people. That can't be good. - PM800 (talk) 11:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Material has been rearranged. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah, I guess so; however, that long paragraph on his wife is still there, and that's just cheating. Minus that, there are 1,744 characters of prose. But that's not all. You also included irrelevant clauses like "an honor named for the first president of Texas Tech" and "an authority on the history of Texas"; these are describing other people, not Kuethe. "With his doctorate in hand" and "published by the American Council of Learned Societies" are also superfluous. You spelled out his children's names even though they all have the same last name. I just think you're trying too hard. - PM800 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Dogdyke_Engine

• ... that Dogdyke Engine is the one Fenland Steam Drainage engine regularly run under steam?

Created by Robert EA Harvey (talk). Self nom at 22:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• You might want to review the DYK instructions for formatting your hook because the main article is not linked to or even mentioned in it. As it is, the actual article (Dogdyke Engine) does not have enough characters of prose to be eligible. - PM800 (talk) 22:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've made it longer. I preferred the concise version, it made people look around more.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The hook is not in the article. - PM800 (talk) 10:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

St Swithun's Church, Worcester

• ... that St Swithun's Church, Worcester (pictured), is described as "one of the best preserved examples of an early Georgian church in England"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• (checked using DYKcheck) Meets all of the requirements. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c)} 01:52, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
• It's someone's opinion, and it's someone's vague and woolly opinion, at that. Only "one of" the best? It's stated in the article in the passive voice, too, so it's not even clear whose opinion this is, or why it matters. A more interesting, and factual hook would be — say — the archaelogical conclusion that the church was founded on the line of a Saxon defensive ditch. Uncle G (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's perfectly clear that it is the opinion of the Churches Conservation Trust. By all means propose an ALT hook, but please do it in the normal way. Johnbod (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks, Johnbod, you beat me to it. This is not the opinion of a single person, but the reason given by the CCT for taking this church into its care, explained in a paper written on behalf of the CCT. For those who do not know it, the CCT is an authoritative body established to authorise payment of money from the Government and the Church of England to conserve and find alternative uses for redundant churches. If you really want to learn more have a look here and follow the links in the panel on the left. (Now if it said it was "the best", that would be controversial!) I've not managed to find the Saxon ditch in the sources; perhaps you could advise.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Hinomoto Oniko

• ... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur against Japanese created by 2channel users, themselves being Japanese?

Created by Dayfish (talk). 5x expanded by Benlisquare (talk). Nominated by Benlisquare (talk) at 15:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: "... that Hinomoto Oniko is a moe anthropomorphism of an ethnic slur created by 2channel users?" - use this one if it seems less confusing to the reader. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• if still quite vague, then perhaps add "(transforming it into/creating) a lovable character in an attempt to reverse negative connotations behind the slur?" to the end, or something to that effect. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 04:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also a brief comment that I may not be able to participate in discussions in the next few days due to examinations; I'll try my best though. Others are certainly welcome to make decisions if I am unable to. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 15:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Nasrani Hagbah

• ... that the Nasrani Hagbah of the Syrian Malabar Nasrani people in Kerala South India consists of the unveiling of red curtain separating the holy of holies in the tradition of the ancient temple of Jerusalem?

Created by Robin klein (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

James Greenway

• ... that American ornithologist James Greenway was so averse to large gatherings that he probably never attended a single professional meeting or congress in his life?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I'm a bit unsure of the "probably" in the hook, as it makes it sound a bit stupid, although this is what the source states... How about something based on "he avoided large gatherings like the plague"? The article has also been tagged with {{obituary}}, which needs to be resolved before it reaches the main page and if you can find any other sources that would be good too. SmartSE (talk) 20:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks for the constructive suggestion. However, maybe I should just withdraw the nomination or let it lapse. I would happily leave out the 'probably' if possible, or go with your alternate. I found it very difficult to obtain other sources that give any useful extra details about his life; he seems to have been a very reclusive person who kept his private life very private, and lived his professional life in the shadows. As for the 'obituary' tag, I think it misplaced in the circumstances, but it is not up to me to remove it. Maias (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 1: … that when ornithologist James Greenway and one of his brothers were the first to land a plane on East Caicos in the Turks and Caicos Islands, the children were let out of school for the occasion. Maias (talk) 11:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Stark's Knob

• ... that although it is thought that Stark's Knob originated in the Connecticut River Valley, it lies next to the Hudson River, over sixty miles away?

5x expanded by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that the upthrust of Stark's Knob has been studied using snails in pillows? Le Deluge (talk) 11:52, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've been looking into the sources cited in the article and also scientific papers about this site, and I'm not convinced that the first hook is exactly true. Additionally, the article doesn't mention the 60 mile distance from the Connecticut River Valley. As for ALT1, I scrossed out the upthrust part because Stark's Knob is not an upthrust; the rest of the hook is sort of supported by sources (if you consider gastropod fossils to be "snails" and pillow lava to be "pillows") but I think it's excessively cute and deceptive. I think there's an interesting and non-deceptive hook to be extracted from this article, but I don't yet know what it is going to be. --Orlady (talk) 01:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you that the second one sounds weird because it sounds like something that would be appropriate on an April Fools Day run. If nothing else appears boosting my statement anytime soon, I can whip up another hook. I will though ax the mile thing as it is a bit of unintentional original research on my part. Kevin Rutherford (talk)

:Lay is transitive: that means it requires an object. Corrected to lies--Wetman (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)`

• An upthrust is not a structure, it's a process, in this case the process that has moved these rocks from below sea level to high on land, so I've removed the strikeout. And individual structures within a marine lava are called "pillows", there's no "consider" about it. Just IMO Orlady, I think you need to relax a bit on the hooks - these are the equivalent of newspaper headlines to pique people's interest and get them to click through and read a shiny new article on a subject they would normally not look at. A "dry" hook like the original might showcase the article to 2000 people, something more eyecatching might get 10,000 or 20,000. I think Ktr101's hard work deserves to be showcased to as many people as possible, and that means using common names like "snails" in the hook, if people care about the detail as much as you do, the article will clarify that the term is referring to Ordovician fossils. However I note that the reference talks about snails rather than gastropods, Orlady you really shouldn't make things up that aren't in the references.... <g> Ktr101 - quirky hooks aren't just for April Fools, WP:DYK/A J7 positively encourages a quirky in every DYK run but now you mention it, ALT1 might well be suitable for the kudos of a April Fool DYK. This is a good thing. Le Deluge (talk) 10:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You will note that I said that I have been reading scientific publications about Stark's knob, with the intent of adding additional sources to the article. The "geology" fact sheet that is cited in the article appears to have been written by someone (probably a professional PR person) who didn't fully understand the topic; I say that because it doesn't make sense from a technical perspective. As for "upthrust," you will not find the term "upthrust" in the Wikipedia articles thrust fault and thrust tectonics because it's not a valid term, nor a technically correct description of the nature of thrust faulting. The sense of movement in thrust faulting is primarily lateral, not upward. --Orlady (talk) 18:30, 7 November 2010 (UTC) As for relaxing my standards on hooks, please note that I have been reviewing hooks here (on-again, off-again) for nearly 3 years, and I happen to believe that it is important to try to maintain quality here. You might note that DYK has been under attack recently due to the perception that reviewers have not been maintaining standards. --Orlady (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• I said "relax", as opposed to "relax your standards" - there's a difference... You may have been reading around the subject, but you would be the first to complain about stuff in a hook that wasn't mentioned and reffed in an article. I think you've just made the point that "snail" is the WP:COMMONNAME for "shelly gastropod", and it's certainly a common shorthand used by the pros (eg Niles Eldredge of a Silurian species), and hooks should use common language where possible. Since you regard presence in Wikimedia projects as some kind of benchmark, I would draw your attention to wikt:upthrust; alternatively the geological sense is the only meaning of the word in my OED, first recorded in 1846. It's more of a field geology term than something to be used when talking about regional processes, it's certainly in common use in the field, because vertical movement of something that was below sea level is much more evident than a lateral movement that is potentially much greater in size. Given that we're talking about the history of a specific rock in the field, "upthrust" seems appropriate in this context.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Upthrust could be linked to thrust tectonics and snail should probably be linked to gastropod and pillow needs to be linked to pillow lava, I think. However, the snails are only used for dating the rocks, it's the shape of the pillows that has been used to understand the geometry of the upthrust block. If you want to keep the snails, how about

• ALT2 ... that the history of the upthrust Stark's Knob has been studied using pillows and the snails found inside them? Mikenorton (talk) 11:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The study of the upthrust process includes both its geometry and its timing, and the snails put a fundamental boundary on the latter - it could not have happened in the Cambrian for instance. So there's no need to include "history". To be honest, I think it's a mistake to overlink a hook like ALT1/2 that relies on its ambiguity to pique readers' curiosity. Linking to gastropod won't give much away, but linking to pillow lava and thrust tectonics will reduce the number of clickthroughs to the new article - which is the whole aim of DYK. Too many wikilinks reduce the hookiness of this style of hook.Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• You're right Le Deluge, the age of the lavas is a key piece of evidence telling us that this a thrust sheet, I thought about that the moment I woke up this morning, so yes we can lose history. I'm not sure that I agree about linking in the hook, I probably tend to link anything that I think that the average reader won't understand, but I see your point as well. Mikenorton (talk) 00:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Actually Le Deluge, I find that being ambiguous causes more people to go to the article because they try to figure out what the hook is all about, but that is just my opinion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• @Kevin, you're agreeing with me, I'm saying that ambiguity is good for clickthroughs, but wikilinking terms other than the target article can reduce the ambiguity and hence reduce clickthroughs. @Mike - if you're dreaming about DYK hooks, it's probably time to take a wikibreak! <g> The average reader can always use wikilinks within the article even if they're not in the hook.Le Deluge (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, so now that the debate is over, what hook should be used? One is scientific, and two has good humor and intrigue. Number three just sounds a bit off in my opinion. I'm all for the first two though since one is intriguing while the other is intriguing and funny at the same time. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I like the original and ALT1 hooks, but not ALT2. cmadler (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus

• ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a street theatre troupe that toured the United States between 1971 and 1993 that was also a ministry of the California Jesuits?

Created by Dgabbard (talk). Self nom at 03:06, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a street theatre troupe and also a ministry of the California Jesuits? Comte0 (talk) 06:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus, self-described as the "world's smallest circus", was a "pre-evangelical" ministry of the California Jesuits? cmadler (talk) 19:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT3... that the Royal Lichtenstein Quarter-Ring Sidewalk Circus was a ministry of the California Jesuits?
• Creation and length are fine, could do with breaking into sections and things like the 1971-1993 thing are not reffed at present. I think we kinda get the street theatre thing from the name, so no need to repeat it in the hook, you might be able to have a play with things like the monkey. Le Deluge (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT 3 succinctly sums up the interesting aspect of its purpose, so I am OK with that being the DYK. I did add some reffs to the article for the dates (1975 newspaper article speaks of it being 4th year and 1971-1993 is mentioned in comments to one performer's article on what life being in the circus was like) and broke it up into sections. When Weber's memoir is published a lot more of the details will be easier to pin down. Dgabbard (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Pediatric trauma

• ... that pediatric trauma (pictured) accounted for 59.5% of all mortality in the United States for children in 2004?

• ALT1:... that since children's organs are closer in proximity they are at a higher risk for some form of pediatric trauma (pictured)?

Created by Peter.C (talk), DiverDave (talk). Self nom at 00:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on November 7

Stanford marshmallow experiment

• ... that a study by Stanford psychologist Walter Mischel showed that children who could delay eating a marshmallow for 15 minutes at the age of 4, scored 210 points higher in the SAT test than their peers who could not?

Created by Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook source checked. - PM800 (talk) 01:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• … but even elementary arithmetic reveals a problem with the facts presented in the article. There is more than 14, or even 18, years between "the 1960s" and 1990, the publication date of the paper by Schoda, Mischel, and Peake. The problem here is the poor sourcing. Consult the actual paper, and you'll find that the initial study was in 1972, not "the 1960s" as third-hand pop-psychology sources put it, and that there were in fact two followup studies, one "more than 10 years later" (published in 1988) and a larger one three years after that (published in 1990). And no, the figure 210 occurs nowhere in the actual paper, and that's not really the result of the latter study as published at all (which was in fact a statistical correlation). Uncle G (talk) 03:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I understand that you're trying to help, but do you really have to be that aggressive about it? Your condescending tone was not constructive. I can sympathise that you've been stressed after arguing with Physchim on DYK talk, but please don't transfer that stress on to me, or any of the other nominators. I assumed, with good faith, that the New Yorker article was accurate, since they're generally known for having high editorial standards, and they did directly interview Mischel. I made an honest mistake, but I find your tone, however unintentional, highly inappropriate.--hkr (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Apparently he does have to be that agressive, but where are we with the hook? Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• I guess we might have to look into this a little further. - PM800 (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Condemnation Act

• ... that in United States v. Carmack in 1946, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the federal government's power under the Condemnation Act to exercise eminent domain over land owned by a state?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Palo y hueso

• ... that Palo y hueso was Nicolás Sarquís' first feature-length movie, shot in 1968 and costing just $15,715 to make?

• Comment: Thanks to Uncle G for the hook

5x expanded by Aymatth2 (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Bah! A likely story. Any hook that I would have supplied would have had a suspiciously round number — like, say, 5,500,000 peso — in it. And I'd have a supporting source that said "Palo y hueso, filmado en 1966" or something. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 22:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Lefty Satan Flynn

• ... that Lefty Satan Flynn was born Selvin Campbell and nicknamed His Satanic Majesty?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hub Hart

• ... that James "Hub" Hart was the best catcher in college baseball at the same time that he was an All-American for football?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Geoffrey Crawley

• ... that Arthur Conan Doyle used photos of the Cottingley Fairies (pictured) to prove the existence of supernatural entities, though an analysis of the images by Geoffrey Crawley showed that they were a hoax?

Created by Bongomatic (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Well, yes, since our featured article on the Cottingley Fairies has said that since at least May 2010. There's a whole discussion on Wikipedia talk:Did you know going on right now about re-use of old content for DYK padding. Is there a hook here that introduces something new? Uncle G (talk) 22:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• • That the hook in a DYK has to say something that no other WP article already says is a totally novel idea. If you think that should be introduced, try suggesting it on the talk page. Johnbod (talk) 02:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • "novel idea"? The idea that hooks are new information is not only implicit in the question "Did you know?" but is even addressed in the very first bullet point in the hook content section of the DYK guide. Newness is also the very first of the selection criteria. "novel idea" my foot. Uncle G (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • You are confusing new articles with new hook facts. There is nothing about the latter in the relevant section of the rules. The fact that some people do know is neither here nor there so long as the great majority won't. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • You are deforming the fairly clear rules, and indeed oft-declared purpose of DYK, to get them to admit something that they clearly do not. The section that you just linked to states "novelty or newness" outright as minima above which more is required, for starters. Uncle G (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• The hook could probably be better. How about something along the lines of "...that Geoffrey Crawley proved that the famous "Cottingley Fairies" images (one example pictured) were fakes." Physchim62 (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • That does not address his point I think. He objects to the fairies being included at all, as the FA has already covered the matter. Johnbod (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I stated what I actually objected to right at the top. Re-read that after re-reading the rules that you just linked to. ☺ You're right that stating the same fact, that isn't actually new, in a different way does not fix the problem. I refer you both back to the question asked right at the top, too. You haven't answered it. Uncle G (talk) 03:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
      • I think I have very clearly said that the hook fact is not new to WP, but that does not matter. Johnbod (talk) 04:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
        • Now re-read what I actually asked, and answer that instead. Uncle G (talk) 14:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
          • I may be mistaken (and if so, please point me to the specific rule) but I do not believe that DYK has any requirement that the hook fact be new to Wikipedia. The qualifying article must be new or 5x expanded. If content was copied/spun off from a pre-existing article to form a new article, the new article must be a 5x expansion on the pre-existing content. Was there another issue/concern raised that I'm not seeing? cmadler (talk) 15:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The article that was in essence co-written by User:Bongomatic and I was based on the available sources from The New York Times (see here), The Daily Telegraph (see here) and the British Journal of Photography (see here all discuss Crawley's life story largely in the context of the Cottingley Fairies. Not only does the content of the obituaries focus on Crawley's role in debunking the Fairy story as a hoax, but the titles of the articles "Geoffrey Crawley, 83, Dies; Gently Deflated a Fairy Hoax" (from The New York Times), "Geoffrey Crawley, who has died aged 83, was a scientific journalist specialising in photography and in 1982 exposed the world's longest-running photographic hoax – the myth of the so-called Cottingley Fairies." (at The Daily Telegraph) and "Geoffrey Crawley, a former BJP editor, photographic inventor, author, and the man who uncovered the world's longest-running photographic hoax has died" (from the BJP) all make clear that Crawley's role in debunking the fairy story is the integral aspect of his life story. The article about Crawley is based on the sources provided and the fact that there is overlap with the Cottingley Fairies article is inevitable, given that Crawley is best known for his scientific analysis of the cameras used and the images that were generated in perpetuating the hoax. The fact that the Cottingley Fairies article is a featured article that appeared several months ago had no role in the creation of this article and the overlap is both inevitable and coincidental, and there was no material taken from the Cottingley Fairies article to "pad" the Geoffrey Crawley article. It thus should come as no surprise that when writing a hook about Geoffrey Crawley, that aspects of the Cottingley Fairies story were included. I'm sure that a hook could be written about Crawley that focuses on some biographical fact unrelated to the Cottingley Fairies but there appears to be no reason to do so. I see no reason that the hook should not be approved based on DYK rules. Alansohn (talk) 16:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article meets requirements for newness, length, and sourcing. Both suggested hooks are confirmed by reliable online sources (NY Times and Telegraph). I see no problems for DYK with this one. I find the original hook a little more interesting, though it might be reworded a little. cmadler (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Two-Timing Touch and Broken Bones

• ... that it was suggested for The Hives' to rename their 2004 hit to "too dumb, and Dutch and broken bones"?

5x expanded by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Mad in America

Chlorpromazine, first synthesized in 1950

• ... that Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) was a 2002 critique of psychiatry written by American journalist Robert Whitaker?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk), SusanLesch (talk), Tijfo098 (talk). Self nom at 13:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that a Medscape review of Mad in America (Thorazine pictured) said that the book looks as if it were "commissioned by Scientologists"?

Secunderabad Clock Tower

• ... that the Secunderabad Clock Tower (pictured), which was inaugurated in 1897, was erected in the honor of the progress made by the British officers posted at the Secunderabad Cantonment?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 13:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Victor Stolan

• ... that Victor Stolan after reading articles by Julian Huxley on the disappearance of Africa's wildlife wrote to him with "the germ of the idea" that led to the World Wildlife Fund?

Created by LittleHow (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've removed the non-free image which is not allowed on any other page (especially the main page) due to non-free content criteria. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Great Migrations

• ... that Great Migrations, the largest programming event of the National Geographic Channel, is part of the largest cross-platform initiative since the founding of the National Geographic Society in 1888?

Created by AngChenrui (talk). Self nom at 04:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• A bit short at ~1,200 characters of prose. 97198 (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • I've expanded it. It definitely passes the 1,500-characters criterion now. ANGCHENRUI _WP:MSE♨ 15:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• I added "in 1888" to the hook even though its not present in the article, just to spice things up. By logical extension, the clause fits since NGS was founded in 1888. Thanks. ANGCHENRUI _WP:MSE♨ 07:36, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Everything looks good; I also moved the reference to immediately after the hook fact per DYK rules. 97198 (talk) 10:31, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

First and Second Battle of Wonju

• ... that French Battalion's bayonet charges at the Battle of Wonju impressed General Ridgway to encouraged all American units to conduct bayonet fighting during the Korean War?

Created by Jim101 (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Adriatic Croatia International Club

• ... that with 21 marinas along the Croatian coast ACI Club is the single largest marina chain in the Mediterranean?

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Monadnock Building

• ... that the staircases in the 1891 Monadnock Building in Chicago (pictured) were the first use of aluminum in a building?

5x expanded by Nasty Housecat (talk). Self nom at 00:40, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Second use in architecture in America, according to this - possibly a reference to the tip of the 1884 Washington Monument? I guess it depends on your definition of a "building", it's still interesting though. Le Deluge (talk) 17:06, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• That's correct. The source refers it as the second architectural use of aluminum, the first being the tip of the Washington Monument (see p. 84). The Monadnock is significant in its use of that then exotic metal in the actual construction of a building, hence the wording. If more clarity is called for, perhaps "first interior use of aluminum in a building" would do it. --Nasty Housecat (talk) 03:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I've Got Nothing

• ... that the 2009 single "I've Got Nothing" was written entirely through crowdsourcing in 10 weeks?

Created by Vobedd731 (talk). Self nom at 23:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment If it makes any difference, the single was released on the 9 November last year, so it'd be pretty cool if this fact could appear on the front page on its one year anniversary (i.e. two days' time). If not, don't worry about it, it's just a suggestion. Vobedd731 (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Jo-Jo Morrisey

• ... that prior to the 1933 Cincinnati Reds season, a newspaper reported that Jo-Jo Morrissey "developed amazingly" yet he was fifth in the league in errors and batted .230

Created by Secret (talk). Self nom at 20:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Deorbit of Mir

• ... that during deorbit of Mir space station the New Zealand authorities issued international warnings to ships and aircraft travelling in the South Pacific?

Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• The lead was copied from Mir#Final days and deorbit and the article is not 5x expanded from that, so I'm not sure if this is eligible for DYK. SmartSE (talk) 20:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Those are major details, it's not possible to write something different. But even without lead the article is long enough (about 2,200 prose characters) and the hook doesn't come from the lead. Twilightchill t 21:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I don't think that counts as "new" per WP:DYK/A A5. If the text was copied and then 5x expanded it would be eligible, but it hasn't been. Can someone else check me on this? SmartSE (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
      • SmartSE is correct. When an article is created from or incorporates pre-existing prose from another article, it must be 5x expanded. (See A5.) It appears to me that the pre-existing prose is 700 characters, so a 5x expansion would be 3500 characters. The article is currently at 3158 characters of readable prose, so a little more expansion is still needed. (Sorry, forgot to sign. cmadler (talk) 18:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC))

Crumblin' Down

• ... that John Cougar Mellencamp's top-ten hit "Crumblin' Down" was partially inspired by his cousin losing his job as an electrical engineer?

Created by 28bytes (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that "Crumblin' Down" was John Cougar Mellencamp's first single released with his real last name?

William Austin Burt, typographer, solar compass, equatorial sextant

• ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a non-magnetic dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment: Note that this is a Four-in-One hook.

ALT1: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), an astronomical dependant surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

ALT2: ... that William Austin Burt was the first to invent a workable typewriter in America, as well as a workable solar compass (pictured), a solar use surveying instrument, and an equatorial sextant, a precision navigational aid to determine with one observation the location of a ship at sea?

Luis Daoiz de Torres

Man in blue tunic and white breeches of the Spanish artillery officers uniform of the Napoleonic era

• ... that Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured), one of the leaders of the Dos de Mayo Uprising in 1808 has ancestors who fought for Spain since the 13th century?

• ALT1:... that on 2 May 1808 Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) held off 2,000 French troops for three hours with just 120 Spanish soldiers and civilians?
• ALT2:... that Captain Luis Daoiz de Torres (pictured) refused orders to hand over his barracks to French troops during the Dos de Mayo Uprising and was killed in the ensuing attack?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 15:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Alan Huggins

• ... that Sir Alan Huggins was one of the first non-permanent Hong Kong judges of the Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal appointed in 1997?

Created by Clithering (talk). Self nom at 15:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length and date OK, AGF on offline hook reference. 28bytes (talk) 21:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Kjeld Rimberg

• ... that when Kjeld Rimberg resigned after thirteen months as CEO of the Norwegian State Railways, he cited political regulations as the reason?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Failed to grab my attention. Lots of people resign public sector jobs for lots of reasons, and the high profile stuff like this is likely to be the things that yes, the target readership did actually know already. Why not a hook about the ski instructor job? That's something that people probably do not know. Uncle G (talk) 02:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

List of UNESCO World Heritage Sites in India

• ... that UNESCO recognizes 28 World Heritage Sites in India , as of 2010 with the Jantar Mantar, Jaipur (pictured), a collection of architectural astronomical instruments as the latest?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Made slight additions to the hook to fit an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 13:49, 7 November 2010 (UTC)*

TV pickup

• ... that the British National Grid saw a record 2800MW increase in demand due to the boiling of kettles and the opening of fridge doors after the 1990 FIFA World Cup Semi-Final between England and West Germany?

Created by Dumelow (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Creation date and length verified. Hook sentence in article does not have reference. Please make inline citation. Interesting concept. The Interior(Talk) 06:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Wadjemup Lighthouse

• ... that Wadjemup Lighthouse (pictured) was Australia's first rotating beam lighthouse?

Created/expanded by Moondyne (talk). Self nom at 06:53, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook reference verified. 28bytes (talk) 03:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

2001 NBDL Draft, 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft, 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft

• ... that four players selected in both the 2001 NBDL Draft and 2006 NBA Development League Expansion Draft had also previously been picked in NBA Drafts, while Kaniel Dickens was the only All-Star to come out of the 2001 NBDL Supplemental Draft?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

My Idiot Brother

• ... that the upcoming film My Idiot Brother went into production unusually quickly for an independent film, with a first cut to be completed less than a year after the script was written?

5x expanded by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Ayame Koike

• ... that Ayame Koike was one of three receivers of the Judges' Special Acting Award from the Japan Movie Critics Awards in recognition of their performance in Always Zoku Sanchōme no Yūhi?

Created by Ike-bana (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• "receivers"? How about "winners" or "recipients"? --PFHLai (talk) 04:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Mm, yes, I think recipients would be better. Thank you. --生け花 10:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Ayame Koike was one of three recipients of the Judges' Special Acting Award from the Japan Movie Critics Awards in recognition of their performance in Always Zoku Sanchōme no Yūhi?

1950–51 Ashes series

• ... ... that the rainstorm that caused 20 wickets to fall on the third day of the First Test in the 1950–51 Ashes series was blamed on the atomic bomb experiment carried out by the Americans on Bikini Atoll (pictured)?

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 7 November 2010 (GMT)

• This article was started by Philipjelley (talk · contribs) on October 11, 2010, so this is not a brand new article. And, there's no evidence of page-moving out of a personal sandbox. Article continued to grow but there was no 5-fold expansion in the last 5 days. Shall we cut this DYK-rookie some slack? Philip, please see the rules at WP:DYK. Good luck. --PFHLai (talk) 03:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• It's a fantastically bonkers hook, so it's got me on side from the start, even if it was just an old wives' tale. 20 wickets falling in a day is fairly unusual, and at that time the Ashes series was unquestionably the premier event in cricket, so 20 wickets in an Ashes match is a pretty big deal. It looks like the fact was added at 18:44 on 18 Oct, so just under a week after the article was created, so probably would have just about squeezed in if it had been nominated at the time - and there would have been no problems with length if it had been nominated then, it's obviously been a labour of love. And encouraging newbies is A Good Thing. Set against that, I'd understand arguments about slippery slopes, and how long do you give people. It's also a bit "chatty" in tone, it could do with some copyediting to a more encyclopaedic style. So it's not a no-brainer, but I'd tend to support cutting him some slack, given that it's less than a month since creation and it's still under active growth, but mostly because it's such an arresting hook. Le Deluge (talk) 17:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• AGF for offline sources, and IAR for newness/expansion. The hook itself is exemplary, and the image makes this a strong candidate to be a lead hook in an update. cmadler (talk) 13:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

1962–63 Ashes series

• ...the Reverend David Sheppard took a sabbatical from his East End Mission for the MCC tour of Australia in 1962-63, making a century to win the Second Test at Melbourne and preaching to packed cathedrals from Perth to Brisbane?

Created by Philip Jelley (talk). Self nom at 10:30, 11 November 2010 (GMT)

Shake It Up (TV series)

• ... that Disney Channel veteran Selena Gomez (pictured) sings the theme song for the new Disney series, Shake It Up'?

5x expanded by Candyo32 (talk). Nominated by Candyo32 (talk) at 02:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Thyrotoxic periodic paralysis

• ... that an overactive thyroid gland can cause attacks of paralysis, particularly in young men of Chinese and Japanese origin?

Created by Jfdwolff (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Jengki style

• ... that Jengki style was a 1950's Indonesian architectural style based on the newly independent country's shift from Dutch to American architectural influences?

Created by Merbabu (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8

California Voting Rights Act

• ...that the California Voting Rights Act makes it easier for minority groups in California to prove that their votes are being diluted in "at-large" elections ?

5x expanded by ClaireStum (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Karen Human Rights Group

• ... that the Karen Human Rights Group trains and equips local people to document villagers' stories and gathers evidence of human rights abuses?

Created by Jysg23 (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• The creator of this article has self nominated their project creation for DYK inclusion. The user is a member of the pilot program Wikipedia:Ambassadors and the failure to nominate this article within 5 days is a consequence of their being a new contributor. As an ambassador of this program, I ask, if it is possible, please excuse this tardy entry and vet it under your remaining criteria. Thank you for considering this request.My76Strat 04:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Louis Ayres

• ... that Louis Ayres designed the chapel (pictured) at the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery and Memorial in France?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

The Jacquier and Securius Bank

• ... that the Jewish owners of the German The Jacquier and Securius Bank were forced to relinquish control by the Nazi government?

Created by Odenhem (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: student project (see Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Public Policy/Courses/Theorizing Culture and Politics fall 2010). Major work done in late October, but still being tweaked by the student, I suggest using the latest edit date (Nov 8) as the creation (finalization) date. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Braye Harbour and Saint Anne, Alderney

• ... that Braye Harbour (pictured), to the north of Saint Anne, Alderney has one of the longest harbour walls in Europe?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Rosietep (talk)Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 13:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Added an img.-- N.V.V. Char ^Talk . 14:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Those two hook references cannot be used because the sites take information from Wikipedia. - PM800 (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Source has been removed. The other source should be OK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• No, that source is not OK. At the bottom of the page, in small print, it says: "Some data may have been obtained from the Braye Harbour page on Wikipedia and used under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License." - PM800 (talk) 18:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mount Whaleback mine

• ... that the Mount Whaleback mine at Newman, Western Australia, is the biggest single-pit open-cut iron ore mine in the world?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 12:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Moss Eccles Tarn

• ... that the "strange, flat-bottomed boat" in which Beatrix Potter rowed on Moss Eccles Tarn (pictured) is now housed in the Windermere Steamboat Museum?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

George J. Geis and Kutkai

• ... that American Baptist missionary George J. Geis was working at the Kachin Bible Training School he had established in Kutkai at the time of his death in 1936?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk) and Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

World War II Allied names for Japanese aircraft

• ... that during World War II, when a new model of the Mitsubishi 'Zero' (pictured) received its American code name, the prominent general it was named after wasn't very amused?

Created by Cla68 (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 01:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1972 Summer Olympics

• ... that a 25 km (16 mi) stretch of the German Autobahn near Munich served as the venue for the cycling road team time trial event at the 1972 Summer Olympics?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

St Matthew's Church, Langford

• ... that St Matthew's Church, Langford, Oxfordshire, England has two Saxon carved stone reliefs of the crucifixion of Christ), and that in one of them Christ's left and right arms have been swapped over?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 12:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Lloyd Morain

• ... that philanthropist Lloyd Morain read palms in Hollywood before a career as a utilities executive, and, uniquely, served two terms as president of the American Humanist Association?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 08:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Było sobie miasteczko...

• ... that the murder of worshipers in Kysylyn during the massacres of Poles in Volhynia became the subject of a 2009 historical documentary film for Telewizja Polska?

Created by FoliesTrévise (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Paul H. Carlson

• ... that Paul H. Carlson, historian of the American West, once likened the cowboy to a "symbolic yardstick against which modern men might measure their own manhood"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

ALT1:... that the historian Paul H. Carlson wrote the revisionist biography of the Spanish-American War General William Rufus Shafter?

ALT2:... that historian Paul H. Carlson co-authored a revisionist study of the 1860 capture of Cynthia Ann Parker, seized by the Comanche in 1836, when she was a young girl?

Leavenworth Nutcracker Museum

• ... that the curator of the Leavenworth Nutcracker Museum in Washington studied ballet under Russian prima ballerina Alexandra Danilova?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 23:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Fernando Osorio

• ... that singer-songwriter Fernando Osorio wrote the last song recorded by Cuban performer Celia Cruz?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 22:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

NU 107

• ... that the Metro Manila radio station NU 107's program In the Raw was created as response to President Corazon Aquino's executive order of at least three Original Pilipino Music tracks per hour?

• Comment: Plenty of people (not just me) expanded the article since November 4.

5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 19:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Masa Takayama

• ... that Michelin-starred chef Masa Takayama (pictured) would deliver food only to Marlon Brando?

• Comment: Now how's that for a fun hook? Thank you, People magazine!

Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 18:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• A very interesting hook, but I can't find a citation confirming that he has -- as a chef -- received a Michelin star rating. cmadler (talk) 19:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• The description "Michelin starred chef" is for those chefs with restaurant(s) have earned Michelin stars. Since Michelin stars are only awarded for food (not ambiance/luxury which is a separate category), the stars are associated with the head chef. The other major rating scales, like those by AAA and Mobile/Forbes rate the whole restaurant together, so the ratings are not traditionally used as a description of the chefs themselves. By way of example, some chefs, like Joël Robuchon, are noted in reliable sources for being "the most Michelin-starred chef on the planet" (due to combined restaurants). Hence the category Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants and chefs. Does that make sense? --Bobak (talk) 19:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Here are a few other useful/credible examples of the term "Michelin-Starred chef(s)": The Times of London --this one is actually quite a good example because, once the Michelin-starred chef left, the restaurant closed (note they call it "his first Michelin star"); they also talk about how the restaurant had been starred before with certain chefs --this similar article in The Independent hits the point home: when chefs "have walked out in a dispute over the direction of the business, taking the award with them". Also see The Telegraph, Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, The Guardian, Four Seasons hotel magazine, Air France, Chicago Sun-Times, Reuters, The Huntsville Times (lolwut?) --Bobak (talk) 20:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Which source supports the Michelin star claim for his restaurant? cmadler (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• D'oh... While it's mentioned in some of the more minor sources, I found several more to be on point; see edit. --Bobak (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, newness, hook, photo approved. cmadler (talk) 14:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Yin Yin Nwe

• ... that Yin Yin Nwe, a Burmese geologist, was appointed UNICEF Representative to China on December 1, 2006?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

All Saints Church, Billesley

• ... that in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured) is a 12th-century carved stone probably depicting a Harrowing of Hell?

• ALT1:... that there is a tradition that William Shakespeare married Anne Hathaway in All Saints Church, Billesley, Warwickshire, (pictured), but this cannot be confirmed?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

St Peter's Church, Adderley

• ... that St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) is divided into two parts, the nave being used as a parish church, and the rest preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust?

• ALT1:... that the font in St Peter's Church, Adderley, Shropshire, (pictured) has an inscription in Latin which translates as "Here wickedly the first man enjoyed the apple with his wife"?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Cuauhtémoc, D.F.

• ... that as many as 5 million people per day come into the Cuauhtémoc borough of Mexico City to work, shop or visit its cultural and historic sites?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 13:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

2009 NBA Development League Expansion Draft

• ... that the entire 2009 NBA Development League Expansion Draft took place via teleconference?

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 9

Howard Van Hyning

• ... that New York City Opera percussionist Howard Van Hyning bought a set of 13 gongs that had been originally commissioned by Puccini for use in performances of the opera Turandot?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Carl Scheibler

• ... that Carl Scheibler invented a method to separate sugar from the sugar beet molasses by using strontium hydroxide?

Created by Stone (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

James Murray (of Strowan)

• ... that after being wounded at the capture of Martinique, Lt-Gen. James Murray had to sleep sitting up for the rest of his life?

Created by Tryde (talk). Nominated by Choess (talk) at 05:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Nice hook. Length, date, and source check out. - PM800 (talk) 18:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ultimate Spider-Man (TV series)

• ... that there is a upcoming animated series starring Spider-Man based on the Ultimate Spider-Man storyline that will air on Disney XD?

Created by Jhenderson777 (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Dart Lifeboat Station

• ... that despite the Dartmouth Lifeboat operating on the Devon coast from 1878 to 1896, it only attended one ship wreck?

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 08:10, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• AGF on offline sources. - PM800 (talk) 10:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Monastery of Saint Anthony

• ... that the Monastery of Saint Anthony, one of the world's oldest monasteries, was established by the followers of Saint Anthony, who is considered to be the first ascetic monk?

5x expanded by Luckbethislady (talk). Self nom at 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have rephrased the original hook to include the article name, but it needs further focusing and wikilinking. The major problem is that the prose expansion 10511/3011=3.5 is too far from required 5x. There are also some unreferenced paragraphs, and article needs to be brushed up for grammar and formatting. Materialscientist (talk) 07:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

• ... that Kalin Lucas repeated as preseason conference player of the year prior to the 2010–11 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 02:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Matthew Kilroy (British Army soldier)

• ... that British Army soldier Matthew Kilroy was found guilty of manslaughter in the Boston Massacre?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Isla Blair

• ... that when Paul McCartney offered Isla Blair a ride home, his fans attacked her?

5x expanded by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not eligible. Has not been expanded in recent days. The recent edits added some good prose content. However, they also deleted the extensive filmography list. While the list does not count toward prose size, part of the list used to be in the article in prose form, so removal of the list did actually take former prose content away. Why was the list removed? --Orlady (talk) 20:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• The list was removed because Wikipedia is not a catalog. Regardless of whether it was in a bulleted form or the earlier "prose" form, it was not a method of presenting information that was appropriate for Wikipedia. Besides, the version of the article that I based my expansion on had existed almost unchanged for more than two years. It's not like I just sat around waiting for someone to remove content just so I could have a chance to expand the article for DYK; the article had clearly reached a stable state. Also, it shouldn't be required of DYK contributors to go through all 40 revisions of an article to find the one that is the longest. Although I do appreciate your diligence in making sure that DYK nominations are up to the standards, I think in this case we would not be unjustified in calling for a pinch of WP:IAR. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion from 352 characters of readable prose to 1930 characters is 5.48x expansion. The prior version was fairly stable for more than two years. Verified length, expansion, hook fact. Removed stub template. cmadler (talk) 13:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Andriza Mircovich

• ... that Andriza Mircovich (pictured) became the only prisoner in Nevada to be executed by a shooting machine after the state prison warden was unable to find five men willing to form a firing squad?

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook verified. Cool stuff! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 18:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Better phrasing ALT1: ... that when Andriza Mircovich (pictured) chose to be executed by shooting, prison officials were unable to find five men willing to participate in the firing squad, and had to build a shooting machine? DS (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Andriza Mircovich (pictured) was shot by a machine after Nevada State Prison officials were unable to find five marksmen willing to participate in a firing squad? KimChee (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

problem is, that version doesn't clearly indicate causation, and it's more interesting when you realize that they had to build a machine for it, instead of just dragging their old Automatic Prisoner-Shooting Device out of storage. DS (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Tommy Brown (GM)

• ... that Tommy Brown was the only survivor from HMS Petard who boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?

• ALT1:... that World War II canteen assistant Tommy Brown and two sailors boarded U-559 in order to retrieve documents which would later help break the Enigma code?
• ALT2:... that George Medal recipient Tommy Brown lied about his age in order to join the NAAFI during World War II?
• Comment: Not sure why the formatting is odd at the start of Alt2 - if someone could fix, I'd appreciate it. Miyagawa (talk) 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 00:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

When You Reach Me

• ... that Rebecca Stead came up to the idea for When You Reach Me after reading a newspaper article on a man who woke up in Denver with no memory of himself?

5x expanded by Derild4921 (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Consecration and entrustment to Mary

• ... that Saint Maximilian Kolbe was called the Apostle of Consecration to Mary?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Grant Program

• ... that during the 2010 fiscal year, the Department of Homeland Security will spend $1,786,359,956 on the Homeland Security Grant Program?

Created by Kcahlber (talk). Self nom at 19:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've verified the hook, but the article isn't particularly neutral at the moment e.g. "Protecting the United States from terrorist threats is the founding principle and highest priority, which includes empowering Americans to live in a constant state of readiness rather than fear" can you try to rewrite this is a more neutral tone? e.g. "The main aim is to protect the United States from terrorist threats". There is also too much direct quoting for my liking, content should be new, in the OPSG section for example there is a 5 line quote. SmartSE (talk) 01:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
• Addressed the neutral language and a large amount of the quoting. I understand your concern about the quoting, but in some of the cases I believe it's necessary. Kcahlber (talk) 18:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Action for Rural Rejuvenation

• ... that the city of Columbus, Ohio felicitated Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev, for the social programs and activities conducted by Action for Rural Rejuvenation?

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 09:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Strez

• ... that Saint Sava likely had a hand in the murder of 13th-century Bulgarian noble Strez, a largely independent ruler in Macedonia?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 08:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Hook reference can be verified using this Google Books preview: Fine, pp. 103–104. — Toдor Boжinov — 20:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Length, timing, hook verified. And now I think I know why Stress was a widespread name in Medieval Albania. Very nice read. Good luck at GA and further. --Sulmuesi (talk) 02:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Teffont Evias

• ... that Sir Walter Raleigh (pictured) mentions the church of Tevont Evias in his Discoverie of Guiana (1596)?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Christopher Connor

• ... that Christopher Connor received total compensation of US$7,495,810 in 2009 in his role as CEO of the Sherwin-Williams Company?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Pretty unintriguing hook to be sure. And do I sense a certain COI the nominator may want to clear up? Grsz¹¹ 03:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I find this highly fascinating. Few people earn this much money. Christopher Connor (talk) 05:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with Grsz that this hook is not interesting. "One of the 200 highest-paid CEOs in the United States" is not interesting in and of itself. The highest-paid could be interesting, as could a juxtaposition between exceptionally high pay and poor performance (as in the case of Carly Fiorina at HP). cmadler (talk) 14:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1. Christopher Connor (talk) 08:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

... that Christopher Connor, CEO of the Sherwin-Williams Company, donated US$1 million to his old high school when they held a campaign to celebrate its 40th anniversary?

• Can we have confirmation that there's no COI here? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 08:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Again, this is not an interesting hook. "CEO of major company donates money to his/her alma mater" is reasonably common and not really noteworthy. cmadler (talk) 15:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• In that case, this might just be one of those articles that doesn't have an interesting hook, though I'll have a look and try to find one. However, I happen to be particularly keen for this one to go up, so I hope some exception can be made to the "boring hook" rule. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  Chris, uninteresting hook is one problem, but there is another one. I do hope you simply found it interesting to create an article on a person who shares your username; but as he happens to be a businessman, I also hope you understand that this nomination will not go to the main page without a proper explanation. Materialscientist (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Lacking an interesting hook, I don't think this is going to go up. There seems to be an increased push right now to crack down on boring or mundane hooks, and these take the cake in that regard. cmadler (talk) 13:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, combined with the possible COI concerns I don't think this should be featured on the main page. SmartSE (talk) 17:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• FYI - Discussion about conflict of interest, now taking place at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Christopher_Connor. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos dobagii, Melaleuca pulchella, Isopogon trilobus

• ... that the rare Fitzgerald Woollybush is only known from three populations within the Fitzgerald River National Park?

• ...that the rare Fitzgerald Woollybush is found with the barrel cone bush, claw flower, and dwarf sheoak within the Fitzgerald River National Park?

Created by Hesperian (talk), Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 02:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Now a triple, trying to expand a fourth one too. Will bold when I have expanded sufficiently. Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Denver Symphony Orchestra

• ... that the Denver Symphony Orchestra filed for bankruptcy in 1989?

Created by Muserjc (talk). Nominated by Seb az86556 (talk) at 09:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article qualifies for DYK, but I don't think this is an interesting hook. Can you suggest a better hook? cmadler (talk) 18:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

As the creator of the article, I think these are the most interesting simple points in the article:

• ALT1: ... that Sergei Prokofiev disappointed reviewers and himself when he performed with and conducted the Denver Symphony Orchestra in 1938?

or

• ALT2: ... that Saul Caston, Music Director of the Denver Symphony Orchestra from 1945 to 1964, had been Associate Conductor of the Philadelphia Orchestra under both Leopold Stokowski and Eugene Ormandy?

Thanks! Muserjc (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think a symphony orchestra going bankrupt is pretty quirky in its own right. Circéus (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Mehmed's first Albanian campaign

• ... that a series of diplomatic struggles between the major Mediterranean powers of the 15th century culminated in newly-crowned Mehmed II ordering his first invasion of Albania?

Created by User:Gaius Claudius Nero (talk). Self-nom at 02:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 10

I Love Bacon!

• ... that the cook book I Love Bacon! has a recipe by Cat Cora (pictured) for "Pig Candy Ice Cream" which contains chopped bacon?

Created by Voceditenore (talk), Spongie555 (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

First-tier Tribunal

• ... that the First-tier Tribunal in the United Kingdom hears cases on such diverse subjects as freedom of information, war pensions and operating licences for gambling companies?

Created by Dmvward (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cavell Van

• ... that the Cavell Van (pictured before restoration) carried the bodies of Edith Cavell, Charles Fryatt and The Unknown Warrior?

Created by LameCat (talk). 5x expanded by Mjroots (talk) Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 18:31, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Venues of the 1976 Winter Olympics

• ... that during the 1975 Olympic Test Competition, the East Germans set up cameras and timers at the bobsleigh and luge venue used for the 1976 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck to determine fastest lines through each of the straights and curves?

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

John Frullo

• ... that John Frullo, a new Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives is active in an organization which promotes the restoration of bighorn sheep to Texas?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Saroornagar Lake

• ... that after the ecological restoration of Hyderabad's Saroornagar Lake in 2003, migratory birds returned to the lake in large numbers a few years later?

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook checked. - PM800 (talk) 18:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Truth in Numbers?

• ... that the documentary film Truth in Numbers? Everything, According to Wikipedia includes commentary from former CIA director James Woolsey?

• Comment: Expanded over 10 times. Please compare version after an AFD that recently closed as "Keep", here [11], with expanded version, here [12]. Thank you.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I feel that hooks on Wikipedia-related subjects are overly self-indulgent and indicative of navel-gazing, sorry. DS (talk) 14:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 student protest in London

• ... that a demonstration against raising tuition fees held earlier this month in London has been described as the largest student protest in the United Kingdom for a decade?

Created by Midnightblueowl (talk). Nominated by The Celestial City (talk) at 00:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that the London headquarters of the Conservative Party were broken into earlier this month by student protesters campaigning against planned tuition fee increases, drawing condemnation from the United Kingdom's National Union of Students?

William Wynn-Williams

• ... that the ratepayer protest led by New Zealand lawyer William Wynn-Williams nearly bankrupted Christchurch City Council?

• Comment: I'm likely to keep expanding the article, but it already meets the DYK criteria.

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 20:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Length, date, and sources checked. - PM800 (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Lesley-Ann Brandt

• ... that Spartacus: Blood and Sand actress Lesley-Ann Brandt was born in Cape Town and is fluent in Afrikaans?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 20:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• "South African speaks Afrikaans" is not perhaps the most interesting hook - detail on her hockey career might be more interesting, if it can be reffed. Creation and length are fine.Le Deluge (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Lindbergh Forest

• ... that there are two Lustron houses and several houses built with East Tennessee marble in Knoxville's Lindbergh Forest neighborhood?

5x expanded by Bms4880 (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 19:56, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Jephcott

• ... that the British Conservative MP Alfred Jephcott was a trade unionist and a member of the Amalgamated Society of Engineers for over 40 years?

Created by BrownHairedGirl (talk). Self nom at 18:10, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Billy Hulen

• ... that Billy Hulen of the Philadelphia Phillies was the last left-handed shortstop in Major League Baseball history?

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• A rarity indeed, but other sources call the assertion into doubt. For example, Baseball-Reference indicates there have been others. See here and here. The following article here is an interesting inquiry into the "left-handed shortstop." Can you come up with another hook? Assuming you can use a reliable source, maybe that Hulen played more games at shortstop than any other leftie. Cbl62 (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Another possibility would be to more closely track the statement of the Westcott book which you use as the source. It says: "The other shortstop of note during the early years was Billy Hulen, who had the rare trait of being left handed. No other team ever had a regular left-handed shortstop." Cbl62 (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like Westcott got it wrong. There are at least 3 other left-handed shortstops who played regularly at that position. They are Jimmy Hallinan (111 games at SS), and Billy Redmond (61 games at SS) and Russ Hall (35 games at SS). See here, here and here. So you definitely need a new hook. Cbl62 (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I found two other sources which say that Hulen is the "last" lefty shortstop, so I replaced "only" with "last" in the hook. I think it should be ok because Russ Hall only played 35 games and was never his team's regular shortstop in any season. - PM800 (talk) 21:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm. I think that would work since Hulen played 73 out of 130 games (56%) at SS for the Phillies in 1896, and Hall played 35 out of 150 games (23%) at SS for the Browns in 1898. But you'd need to insert "regular" in the hook since other lefties have played shortstop since Hulen. Cbl62 (talk) 21:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• I think "regular" is implied. I'm sure there are several cases of guys playing shortstop for a few games if the regular shortstop gets injured or something - that doesn't mean they're real shortstops, though. - PM800 (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Since a number of left-handed shortstops played at least briefly in MLB after Hulen, the hook would not be factually accurate unless you add the "regular" qualifier. The way you phrased it in the article is "last regular left-handed shortstop ..." IMO that phrasing is appropriate and should be carried over into the hook. Cbl62 (talk) 07:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Falta, South 24 Parganas

• ... that Falta was the first Special Economic Zone in India?

• ALT1:... that when Siraj-ud-Daulah sacked Kolkata in 1756, the English residents moved to Falta temporarily?

Created by Chandan Guha (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Leeuwin Estate, Leeuwin Estate Concert Series

• ... that in 2005, the Leeuwin Estate winery hosted musician Sting as part of its annual Concert Series, raising over $4 million for Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami relief efforts?

Created by Camw (talk). Self nom at 12:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

This is my first attempt at a double hook, I hope it is okay! Camw (talk) 12:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Walter Goodfellow

• ... that Walter Goodfellow obtained the type specimen of the Mikado Pheasant, comprising two long black tail feathers, from one of his porters who was wearing them in his head-dress?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

James Charles Fahey

• ... that James Charles Fahey started publishing The Ships and Aircraft of the United States Fleet due to his disappointment at editors butchering his manuscripts?

Created by Thewellman (talk). Nominated by MC10 (talk) at 06:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Maybe instead of "publishing," it should be "self-publishing"? - PM800 (talk) 09:24, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length, date, and sources check out. - PM800 (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I really don't like "butchering" here (or in the article, for that matter); if that's the word Fahey himself used, we should put it in quotes. DS (talk) 14:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Socialist Workers Movement (Bolivia)

• ... that the Bolivian ambassador to the United Nations Pablo Solón was the main leader of the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party in the 1980s?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

French frigate Psyché (1804)

• ... that on 9 April 1804 Commander Henry Lambert of the 21-gun HMS Wilhelmina held off the 36-gun French privateer Psyche and that on 14 February 1805 now Captain Lambert of the 44-gun frigate HMS San Fiorenzo captured her.

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

HMS Pactolus (1813)

• ... that 200 years ago today (11 August 2014) HMS Pactolus and HMS Ramillies bombarded Stonington, Connecticut during the War of 1812 and then sailed off?

5x expanded by Acad Ronin (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if we hold DYKs for almost four years, but this item would have the greatest impact then.Acad Ronin (talk) 02:17, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

You could move it to the special holding area below. —MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 06:50, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Nah - 4 years is just getting ridiculous. Get it out there under the normal procedure, it's not that "special". The hook could bear some tightening, most ships sail off after a bombardment... Le Deluge (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Could probably expand Ramillies to get that up to DYK standard too. Harrias ^talk 14:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Larson Brothers Airport

• ... that the sod-surfaced Larson Brothers Airport (hangar pictured) was described as the "finest airport in the state" of Wisconsin in 1932?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot

• ... that the exterior of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Croome D'Abitot, (pictured) was designed by Lancelot "Capability" Brown in Gothic Revival style, but the interior by Robert Adam is Georgian?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Alex Konanykhin

• ... that former Russian oligarch Alex Konanykhin and his wife Elena Gratcheva were the first citizens of post-Soviet Russia to be granted political asylum in the USA?

5x expanded by (unknown?). Nominated by Eclipsed (talk) at 14:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article has not been expanded recently. Although the file size has increased, the prose size is actually smaller than it was before recent edits. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

OK. Article is being worked on, so the DYK can be resubmitted after the article is suitably expanded. Thanks.     Eclipsed   (t)     20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Cobb Seamount

• ... that the 27 million year old Cobb Seamount is so heavily encrusted in sea life, that no bare rock surface has been found in dives?

5x expanded by Resident Mario (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 11

Great Mosque of Algiers

• ... that the Great Mosque of Algiers is the oldest mosque in Algiers and is said to be the oldest mosque in Algeria after Sidi Okba Mosque ?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fort Santa Cruz, Oran

• ... that a chapel near Fort Santa Cruz, Oran is the site of a pilgramage every Ascension Day?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ghardaïa

• ... that the name of Ghardaïa in northern-central Algeria has its origins in a female saint named Daïa who lived in a cave (ghār) in the M'zab valley?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Edward Spurway, Robert Spurway, Francis Spurway

• ... that Edward Spurway, two of his sons Michael and Francis, and his brother Robert all played first-class cricket for Somerset?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Charles Albert Watts, Charles Watts (secularist)

• ... that Charles Albert Watts edited the secularist Literary Guide without a break for over 60 years, having taken over a publishing business set up by his father, the atheist writer Charles Watts?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 10:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Robert Lipshutz

• ... that former President Jimmy Carter credited his White House Counsel Robert Lipshutz with offering insights that led to the signing of the Camp David Accords between Egypt and Israel?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Linda Bean

• ... that Linda Bean, heiress to part of the L.L. Bean company, twice ran for the United States Congress?

Created by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 01:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Contemporary sources for 1988 call her Linda Bean-Jones. Later sources call her Linda Bean Folkers. Uncle G (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mimoides phaon

• ... that Mimoides phaon was the first swallowtail butterfly of the genus Mimoides to stray into the United States?

Created by Meganmccarty (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article slightly below the minimum of 1500 characters of prose required for DYK. Intelligentsium 23:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought when I measured the prose, it was just over 1500 characters. I guess I must have missed removing some wikitext. However, I'm not quite sure I can expand the article must further than it currently is, for information on this species, both in books and online, is quite lacking. Megan|^talk_contribs 14:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Colonia Roma

• ... that in spite the construction of modern office and apartment buildings and the 1985 Mexico City earthquake, Colonia Roma still contains 1,100 of the mansions built there in early 20th century?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Citizens for a Free Kuwait

• ... that Citizens for a Free Kuwait was an astroturf operation established by the Kuwaiti government to promote U.S. intervention in the Iraq-Kuwait War?

5x expanded by P. S. Burton (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders

• ... that the Cheshire, Connecticut, home invasion murders has been referred to as "possibly the most widely publicized crime in the state's history"?

--BabbaQ (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Peter Frederik Suhm

• ... that the Trondheim Society was founded in 1760 by Johan Ernst Gunnerus, Gerhard Schøning and Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured)?

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Peter Frederik Suhm (pictured) was one of the founder of the Trondheim Society, the first high school in Norway?
• Comment: ALT1 is by far the better hook, in my opinion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • I think so. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford

• ... that the west gallery of St Mary Magdalene's Church, Stapleford, Leicestershire, contains a Coade stone fireplace, the Royal arms, and a dome decorated with putti?

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

List of first-class cricket centuries by W. G. Grace

• ... that W. G. Grace (pictured) was the first cricketer to score a century of first-class centuries?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 14:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good. Hook verified with Cricinfo reference and prose length verified. Image is public domain per Commons PD-Art criteria. Camw (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cross River Rail

• ... that the Cross River Rail planned for Brisbane will be the largest transport project ever built in Queensland?

5x expanded by Shiftchange (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've taken the liberty of re-wording the hook to be slightly shorter, hope this is OK. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Jens Ramme

• ... that German football goalkeeper Jens Ramme conceded six goals in 45 minutes on his debut, turning a 5–1 lead for Dynamo Dresden into a 7–5 defeat?

Created by ArtVandelay13 (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• The article does not have 1,500 characters of prose yet. - PM800 (talk) 10:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • OK, I've expanded it. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:20, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
    • Looks good, except that neither of the sources say that it was his debut. - PM800 (talk) 22:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
      • Found one. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 22:49, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
• Length and date checked. AGF on foreign-language source. - PM800 (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Tumbulgum

• ... that the Australian town of Tumbulgum was the third town in the state of New South Wales to agree that retail outlets will not provide disposable plastic shopping bags?

Created by Mattinbgn (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Can a more interesting or eye-catching hook be found? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Loyal Parliament

• ... that the Loyal Parliament of 1685 put high taxes on sugar and tobacco?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian Sea

• ... that the word maelstrom was brought into the English language by Edgar Allan Poe describing the Moskenstraumen (illustrated) located at Moskenesøya island in the Norwegian Sea?

• Comment: See these refs [13], [14]

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 04:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Expansion length, date, hook and image ok. Excellent job with the Norwegian Sea article! Oceanh (talk) 19:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

ProtoGalaxy

• ... that action-adventure video game ProtoGalaxy was produced in Newfoundland?

Created by Neelix (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Not a very exciting hook. - PM800 (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Trial as an adult

• ... that once a juvenile has been convicted as an adult in Florida, they are then handled in every respect as an adult for any subsequent violation of state law?

• ALT1... that since 1990, nine countries have tried juveniles as adults and executed them?

Created by Deon (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Purge (novel)

• ... that the award winning Finnish language novel Puhdistus (Purge) by Sofi Oksanen has had mixed reactions in Estonia, its principle topic?

5x expanded by Sadads (talk). Self nom at 07:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note the article has been expanded from 216 words of text to over 1200, and I am not completely happy with the hook, alts would be greately appreciated Sadads (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12

Obsidian (1986 video game)

• ... that Revolution Software co-founder Tony Warriner created the video game Obsidian when he should have been revising his school exams, causing him to fail them all?

5x expanded by Someone another (talk). Self nom at 16:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

"CNN

Cyber Shockwave

• ... that the Cyber ShockWave was a 4-hour wargame conducted by the Washington, D.C. think tank Bipartisan Policy Center on February 16, 2010?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Homeland Security Act

Main article: Homeland Security Act

• ... that The Homeland Security Act created both the United States Department of Homeland Security and the new cabinet-level position of Secretary of Homeland Security?

5x expanded by SoAuthentic (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cordillera de la Ramada

• ... that several peaks of the Cordillera de la Ramada, including the highest, Mercedario (pictured), were first climbed by a Polish expedition of 1934?

Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 06:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

No. 77 Wing RAAF

• ...that before the Battle of North Borneo, No. 77 Wing RAAF (aircraft pictured) surgically attacked targets at Labuan as few as 100m from Allied demolition teams laying charges on the invasion beach?

Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Looks good from here. Reccomendation to compilers: the picture as it appears on the mainpage should be cropped so as to better show the aircraft at this size. - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 06:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Revenge of the Beefsteak Tomatoes

• ... that to promote Revenge of the Beefsteak Tomatoes, two gigantic tomatoes picketed Super Bowl XVII ?

Created by Theornamentalist (talk). Self nom at 04:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Areopagus sermon

• ... the Areopagus sermon was the most dramatic and fullest speech of the missionary career of Apostle Paul?

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 22:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the link to: verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 03:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Stockade Building System

• ... that Buckminster Fuller invented a brick made out of wood fibers that could support a house?
• ALT - ... that Buckminster Fuller invented the Stockade Building System, which uses bricks made from wood fibers and plaster?

Created by Reaper Eternal (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Fusō class battleship

• ... that the armor of the s was incapable of stopping its own shells?

5x expanded by Climie.ca (talk). Self nom at 05:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry

• ... that the winner of the Notre Dame–Stanford rivalry football game is awarded the Legends Trophy, which is a combination of Irish crystal and California redwood?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For 16 November

Eleonora Šomková

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha's funeral took place on the day of the intended wedding with his fiancée and mother of his newborn child Eleonora Šomková known as Lori?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October.Aloysius (talk) 06:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added to 29 October Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Article is too short. Articles should be at least 1,500 characters for inclusion at Did You Know. Arctic Night 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have added some facts to make it long enough. Thanks for caution! Aloysius (talk) 16:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha first appeared as an actor in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's play Czech and German in July 1832 in Benešov?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added below to Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Travel to Italy (Mácha)

• ... that in his 1834 Diary of Travel to Italy Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha describes his meeting with Slovenian national poet France Prešeren in Ljubljana?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added below to Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Cikáni

• ... that Karel Hynek Mácha's 1835 novel Cikáni celebrates the free lifestyle of gypsies?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Aloysius (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Let's have a multi-nom for Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek, Travel to Italy (Mácha) and Cikáni? — Toдor Boжinov — 12:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I have done two others that are under 30 October nominations. Does multi-nom mean they all be in one question? I haven't heard of multi-nom. Thanks. Aloysius (talk) 06:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• Yes, it's short for a "multiple nomination" - having more than one DYK-eligible article mentioned in a single hook. They're good if you can get them, and the 200-character limit doesn't apply (within reason!). Be nice to have a picture of Mácha to go with the hook? Le Deluge (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

• something like this (plus the image above)? (please check my English) multi-nom ALT1... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha (1810 - 1836) wrote two diaries? In 1832 Mácha started to act Czech theatre with a role in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's play Czech and German. He met Eleonora Šomková next year when she was asked to join the group of actors by Josef Kajetán Tyl. She became his mistress and fiancée. The Diary of 1835 concerns daily experiences and its cipher parts deal with relationship and sexual experiences with Lori as he called her. He died shortly after their son was born and the funeral took place in Litoměřice on the day of their intended wedding. The Diary of the Travel to Italy describes his hike to Venice, Trieste and Ljubljana where he met Slovenian national poet France Prešeren in 1834. The diaries are good source of psychological background for Mácha's masterpieces, dramtic poem Máj and novel Cikáni in which he celebrates the free lifestyle of gypsies. Aloysius (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• While allowances are made for hooks with multiple nomination being longer than 200 characters (see rule C3), this is much too long. Also hooks are generally a single sentence, although I can't find where it states that in the rules apart from the requirement for the first sentence to end with a question mark. Mikenorton (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Then I would stick to the original versions. They are all about a bit different aspects of Mácha's life. And I don't know who is competent to move them to the Special Occasion section but I hope that they could be published on 16 November when it is 200 years from the poet's birth. Aloysius (talk) 18:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• I've had a go at combining them myself, see what you think. Mikenorton (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Karel Hynek Mácha, author of the 1834 travel book Diary of the Travel to Italy and the 1835 novel Cikáni, got his first acting job, in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German, in Benešov, where he later met his fiancée Eleonora Šomková?

• Thanks for effort, really not bad! Let me try to comb it according to accuracy and importance. Aloysius (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

• ALT2 ... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha, author of most notable poem Máj and novel Cikáni as well as the Diary of the Travel to Italy and the Diary of 1835 (the cipher parts of which deal with relationship and sexual experiences with his fiancée Lori), got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German? Aloysius (talk) 06:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

  Two comments - you don't need to disambiguate titles with (Mácha) on the end unless there's already an article called simply "Travel to Italy" - which there isn't, and it's best to have articles at the simpler title. Also - is "Travel to Italy" really the common name in English? It implies it's a discussion of the Italian tourist industry as "travel" is a general word, a person would make a "journey to Italy" or "trip" or something, but never "a travel". Sorry for not explaining that the hook can be >200 characters but still as short as possible, here's my effort which is 272 - but it might be nice to insert ", born 200 years ago today," :

  • ALT3 ... that Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German and his writings include the poem Máj, novel Cikáni, diary of Travel to Italy and the Diary of 1835 which deals with his relationship with his fiancée Lori? Le Deluge (talk) 11:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Then, I would suggest dividing into two noms for 16 November, one multi-nom and one single nomination:
  • ALT4/1 ... that the writings of Czech national poet Karel Hynek Mácha, born 200 years ago today, include poem Máj, novel Cikáni, diary of Journey to Italy and the Diary of 1835 which deals with his relationship with his fiancée Lori? Aloysius (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
  • ALT4/2 ... that Karel Hynek Mácha got his first acting job in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's drama Czech and German? Aloysius (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Diary of 1835 (Mácha)

• ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha wrote parts of his Diary of 1835 in code to conceal details of his erotic relationship with Eleonora Šomková?

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October. Aloysius (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

• Multi-nom ALT added to 29 October Cikáni suggestion. Aloysius (talk) 08:17, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• This version approved with the offline source accepted, AGF. Arctic Night 11:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

For 21 November, 25th Sunday after Trinity

Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116

• ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116 contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas?

• Comment: This is meant to appear on 21 November, the 25th Sunday after Trinity for which it was written in 1724, which was the last Sunday after Trinity in 1724 and will be in 2010 - another hook possibility, but I don't know how to word it.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 10:53, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• Trying to include it:

ALT1: ... that Bach's chorale cantata Du Friedefürst, Herr Jesu Christ, BWV 116, for the last Sunday after Trinity, contains a vocal trio, rare in his cantatas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think the mention of the last Sunday after Trinity is unnecessary in the hook; stick with version 1, I reckon. Another neat little article, as expected from this contributor. Bencherlite^Talk 14:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

For November 24

Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 ‎

• ... that the Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 takes place across 6 phases and over a month?

5x expanded by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• special nomination for November 24 First expansion on date set, and further addition when results are out on Nov. 24.Lihaas (talk) 12:29, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination is a little late, but not unreasonably so, so I don't think it should be rejected on that grounds. However, the article is currently significantly undersourced (in the Background and Schedule sections -- we generally seek a minimum of 1 in-line citation per paragraph), the Parties section is marked as needing expansion, and most of the references are bare URLs. Keep in mind also that if this article appears on In The News (for which it seems a good candidate), it will become ineligible for DYK. cmadler (talk) 14:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• Also, an in-line citation to the appropriate reference is needed immediately following the statement used for the hook. cmadler (talk) 14:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

• The nomination seems way too old for me. Its already more than two weeks old, and it might not represent "Wikipedia's newest articles". We should move on to the other nominations. ANGCHENRUI _WP:MSE♨ 07:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get much of a chance to respond to this before it was taken off.

The article was originally put in the "quarantine" for a special date, (and had no replies before i moved it here) where it was nominated within days of its creation in the first place. I wrote the same thing above but for some reason that doesnt seem to have been read. As for the "party" section that will duly be updated on Nov 24 when the results are announced (hence the "special date" not just regular nomination) at which point the electoral commission lists every party that does take part in the election.

The schedule section is wholly sourced, its there in the table. The background section is not sourced here but it is on the respectively linked page. I can move it here if need be. On section that have other pages in the past we have not called for repetitive cites, so i didnt think it necessary.

Its also not ITN as a sub-national election. But a 6-phase election is DYK-able.

I've now answered these queries with cites, etc. (see the page) Lihaas (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

When I removed this, I noted in my edit summary that it had maintenance tags on it. That needs to be resolved ASAP if you wish to resurrect this one. I won't remove it from the queue again but if the issues behind the maintenance tags aren't cleared up in a reasonable amount of time, I expect someone else will. 28bytes (talk) 16:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Ive already explained the expand tag for the parties, which will be gone before it goes up (nominated for Nov 24 when results are out). Theres only 1 other tag, i can take it off now as it was pending a bot addition. No hindrance to the page.

Not really requiring "considerable" work, per the first responder some more work (for obviosu reason), its a maybe right now.

everything is done, except for the part pending results in about 2 weeks.Lihaas (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, in that case we can keep it open. I'll move it to the Special Occasion holding area. 28bytes (talk) 17:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Should i report back when its done, or will the respective review check?Lihaas (talk) 18:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to put an update here when it's done. Feel free to ping my talk page if it's not noticed here, and I'll approve it. Thanks, 28bytes (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

For December 10

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby

... that M-1 Global's Eastern European Champions Artiom Damkovsky, Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Americas Champion Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) face their Western European Champion counterparts Mairbek Taisumov, Rafał Moks and Guram Gugenishvili for the lightweight, middleweight and heavyweight division championships (respectively) in mixed martial arts today in St. Petersburg? Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Please note: All 6 articles in this hook have been worked on by both nominators in user space, and were moved to article space today. For ease of checking, this link from M-1 Global confirms the match ups and the championships each fighter holds, this link confirms that Grishin was replaced due to injury. Suggestions for alternative (shorter) hooks most welcome, we had trouble coming up with something sufficiently short that mentioned all seven fighters (Taisumov is not a new article). EdChem (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC) More compact hook to consider... EdChem (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC) ALT1: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, M-1 Global's mixed martial arts world championships are being decided in the lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) divisions? ALT2: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, MMA bouts will determine M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) Champions? ALT3: * ... that M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) MMA Champions will be determined today in St. Petersburg? In addition to EdChem's comments, I'd like to request the Oct 28, 1p.m. London time slot, due to the event starting at 11.30 EST that day. I think this would give the hook time to ....hook prior to the event starting and also cover a little bit during the event. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Added ALT3 - shorter still, and brings the bolded names close to the start of the hook. I am comfortable with whichever of these the reviewers might feel is most suitable. EdChem (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC) A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Thanks. Please see WT:DYK as myself and EdChem have laid out a proposal concerning this matter. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

The goal 6-article hook would be something like:

* ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?

Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.

Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Late December 2010

Cincinnati Riot of 1853

• … that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day?

  This one is entirely Aymatth2's fault, as well. Uncle G (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• ALT:... that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day? {Let's save this hook for use on X'mas.} --174.89.163.171 (talk) 05:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Andrew McKinley, Leon Lishner

• ... that Andrew McKinley, David Aiken, and Leon Lishner created the parts of the three kings in the world premiere of Menotti's Christmas opera Amahl and the Night Visitors which was broadcast live by NBC to an audience of millions on Christmas Eve 1951?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mark Miodownik

• ... that Mark Miodownik will deliver the first part of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures tonight?

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

• ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?

• ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:

Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

• - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
  Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
  --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
• No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

• Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

• Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. Silverseren^C 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? Silverseren^C 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

• I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per Arsenikk. The Utahraptor^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions} 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!_c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support - The Bushranger _{Return fire}^{Flank speed} 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm worried that this is too obviously a matter of giving the FBI the proverbial finger than promoting something encyclopedic. I'm all for criticizing the FBI, but we shouldn't invoke exceptions to basic guidelines just to promote our own POV. It seems far more prudent to pull up your sleeves and make this a quickie FA or get it on "On this day". Peter ^Isotalo 10:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. ALT2 is a better hook than ALT1, but it would be better still on OTD than DYK (it would get more readers that way, as well). Physchim62 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - ALT1 is just a boost or peacock term on FBI. ALT2 is better, but I did not feel it to be so special to be included in DYK. -- Rajith Mohan ^{(Talk to me..)} 06:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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