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*:The subject is not mentioned in the [[Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article at all, so it is not covered there. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC) |
*:The subject is not mentioned in the [[Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article at all, so it is not covered there. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' – Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' – Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact. |
*'''Support''' Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact. [[User:Pardy|Pardy]] ([[User talk:Pardy|talk]]) 09:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC). |
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RD: Coolio
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Well established and well known QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Usual sourcing problems with filmographies. --Masem (t) 01:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Most of his discography is sourced at Coolio discography. Will be working on the filmography through tomorrow I'm sure. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ditto, suggest Photo RD when ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- I don't oppose the idea of a photo RD but do you have any suggestion about which photo to use because the current one used in the article does not scale well to the smaller image size used in the ITN template. Regards SoWhy 05:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNPICT, the posted picture generally comes from a blurb. —Bagumba (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Bill Plante
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American journalist. Worked for CBS News from 1964 - 2016. Thriley (talk) 22:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN.
However, article is not stable at the moment due to a vandal who continues to blank sections of sourced content, despite repeated warnings not to do so.—Bloom6132 (talk) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Hurricane Ian
Blurb: Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Florida, United States, after knocking out power to the entirety of Cuba. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Cuba, knocking out power to the entirety of the island.
News source(s): [1][2][3]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Created by PopularGames (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit) and Sarrail (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Category 4 hurricane hitting Florida today. Mandatory evacuations have already been called for. Cuba has lost all power as a result. Blurb can be updated with damage estimates. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait — Landfall has not occurred yet, but is expected to in the next 2-4 hours. After that, support. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: I added an alt blurb because currently, the impacts to Cuba are much more significant that Florida at the present time with the entirety of Cuba losing power. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm just making that the blurb for now because it's better than what I wrote. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: I added an alt blurb because currently, the impacts to Cuba are much more significant that Florida at the present time with the entirety of Cuba losing power. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait per Elijahandskip. Landfall not expected just yet. Sarrail (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait ... as is de rigueur for developing weather events. Ian packs 155 mph winds, per AP report. Much Fla. fooding expected. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Question - why are we waiting for it to impact the US? It's no longer a "developing" weather event—it knocked out power to all of Cuba. Why not post that now, then update the blurb when it hits the US? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK, call it underway, if that makes you feel better. Semantics. But reports indicate the storm's biggest impact on people is likely to be in Florida. That Fla. happens to be in the U.S. is circumstantial, and not a factor in terms of news value. -- Sca (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- We don't post weather forecasts. We post what HAS happened. And surely what happens in Cuba matters? HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Sca: Are people in Cuba not people? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Idiotic comment. -- Sca (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK, call it underway, if that makes you feel better. Semantics. But reports indicate the storm's biggest impact on people is likely to be in Florida. That Fla. happens to be in the U.S. is circumstantial, and not a factor in terms of news value. -- Sca (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am also wondering why we aren't doing that. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Because the blurb would be misinformation saying “makes landfall in Florida”. That is why we are waiting Muboshgu and The ed17. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Elijahandskip: Re-read what I wrote. I was calling for a different, Cuba-focused blurb to be posted. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Damage to Cuba is significant too, and we can say "approaches Florida" if it's posted before it makes landfall and update the hook as it does. Landfall in Florida appears to be imminent at the moment. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hurricanes in the mid Atlantic during the summer-fall months making landfall and doing some damage or forcing evacuations is a routine news item. Its why Fiona wasn't posted. We're looking for the magnitude of damage which likely would be based on how bad Florida is hit. Masem (t) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fiona could still use revisiting, even if it's trending stale. 27 deaths at last check. This is why these hurricane noms getting posted too early is a problem - they get buried before the storm's full impacts are known. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Why not bump them to the top if the death toll is at least 10-20 higher than the last time it was bumped off the top? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fiona could still use revisiting, even if it's trending stale. 27 deaths at last check. This is why these hurricane noms getting posted too early is a problem - they get buried before the storm's full impacts are known. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Hurricanes in the mid Atlantic during the summer-fall months making landfall and doing some damage or forcing evacuations is a routine news item. Its why Fiona wasn't posted. We're looking for the magnitude of damage which likely would be based on how bad Florida is hit. Masem (t) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Because the blurb would be misinformation saying “makes landfall in Florida”. That is why we are waiting Muboshgu and The ed17. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- What are the impacts to Cuba? That's more important than waiting around for whatever happens to Florida. When it makes landfall, we can update whatever blurb we posted for Cuba. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @WaltCip:, Muboshgu, The ed17, Sca, Sarrail: I just added an alt blurb for the Cuba landfall and impacts to Cuba. You guys want to post it just with the Cuba impacts until the US impacts are more clear, so let’s post that. Consider this a Support for the new alt blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb. Whatever comes of the landfall in Florida, this is going to be a very significant storm.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Take heed of the stormy weather" – ?? — Sca (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. We have to stop with these noms before we have any real damage reports or fatality numbers. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. -- Sca (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. I'm all for having an uninvolved editor close this discussion so we can have a fresh one when we can actually make an informed decision about the notability. This one is already visually cluttered with predictable reactions to the premature nom. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- ”actually make an informed decision about the notability”…Guess 2 fatalities and an entire nation without power doesn’t make something notable enough for ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @DarkSide830: Would like to point out, we have confirmed two fatalities and 11 million without power in Cuba alone. That alone should be enough to post a blurb, that then can be changed in the future (probably tomorrow) with the information about Florida. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- That wasn't enough with Fiona. 2 is not minimum deaths material and we don't have any tangible number on damages yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- A hurricane knocking out power to all of Puerto Rico isn’t uncommon (happened with Hurricane Maria in 2017 for example). But as far as I am aware, it is extremely rare for all of Cuba to be without power. Also, Puerto Rico was 1.2 million without power while Cuba is 11 million. Equivalent to all of a single US state (like Florida) losing power from a hurricane. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, it was a struggle to get a consensus to post the 2019 South American blackout which left nearly 50 million without power, though we eventually posted it. We don't know enough about the damage to Cuba yet. I don't believe in "WP:MINIMUMDEATHS", but there is a line somewhere, and there's not a chance of a consensus forming when only two casualties are confirmed. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Loss of power is an inconvenience (yes, critical infrastructure like hospitals need it, but that exists everywhere) from such a major storm, so its not worth posting on that alone. Masem (t) 18:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Masem: It's not just a loss of power from this storm, it's a loss of power for an entire country. That's unusual and worth posting. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Well I do fully disagree with Masem and Vanilla Wizard about wanting to wait to post Hurricane Ian until it becomes more notable.
For all intents and purposes, I feel like you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion andI am saying my opinion that I fully disagree with that assessment. Slightly funny. I originally !vote “Wait” for US landfall, get told it is notable enough to post based on Cuba alone, switch !vote to support on an alt blurb about Cuba alone, then get told to wait again for notability (aka US stuff). ITN nominations are always fun… Elijahandskip (talk) 18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)I haven't even !voted, I just read the winds and came to the conclusion that nominating this when there are only two confirmed casualties was not the best idea. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion
No, that's certainly not my opinion, and I ask you to strike that.
- ITN is not the place to post unusual events like a country losing power. This is why we want something most definitive in terms of impact, like loss of life or scale of destruction. Masem (t) 21:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- By that interpretation, even if Hurricane Ian became a category 5 at landfall, it would not be ITN worthy until either the death toll is higher OR NWS does initial damage estimates (after it dissipates). Sounds like ITN needs to have a long RfC to determine what "In The News" means. International coverage and hundreds to thousands of articles covering the hurricane, with a large portion commenting on the complete power loss to Cuba is clearly "In The News", however, from the def you just described, practically no storm could ever make ITN, unless a dozen+ people are killed. I do foresee myself starting an RfC in a few days on this topic. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- ITN is about good quality encyclopedia articles that happen to be in the news. We are not a news ticker, regurgitating what are headlines, And since most weather events like hurricanes can really only be judged on quality based on the scale of their impact, that limits every such storm being on the front page. Masem (t) 22:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- By that interpretation, even if Hurricane Ian became a category 5 at landfall, it would not be ITN worthy until either the death toll is higher OR NWS does initial damage estimates (after it dissipates). Sounds like ITN needs to have a long RfC to determine what "In The News" means. International coverage and hundreds to thousands of articles covering the hurricane, with a large portion commenting on the complete power loss to Cuba is clearly "In The News", however, from the def you just described, practically no storm could ever make ITN, unless a dozen+ people are killed. I do foresee myself starting an RfC in a few days on this topic. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Well I do fully disagree with Masem and Vanilla Wizard about wanting to wait to post Hurricane Ian until it becomes more notable.
- @Masem: It's not just a loss of power from this storm, it's a loss of power for an entire country. That's unusual and worth posting. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- A hurricane knocking out power to all of Puerto Rico isn’t uncommon (happened with Hurricane Maria in 2017 for example). But as far as I am aware, it is extremely rare for all of Cuba to be without power. Also, Puerto Rico was 1.2 million without power while Cuba is 11 million. Equivalent to all of a single US state (like Florida) losing power from a hurricane. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- That wasn't enough with Fiona. 2 is not minimum deaths material and we don't have any tangible number on damages yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
That may be the principle, however, I personally know many ITN’s that were posted with less than what this article has. Yesterday alone, it got 22,000 views. I am betting nearly 100k or more today. If that truly is the ITN principle, then this RfC in the next coming days will be extremely interesting and possible precedent setting. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- If you really want to play the “good quality encyclopedia articles” route, then Hurricane Ian 100% passes every possible ITN “good quality” checklist. An article I started, Zamfara kidnapping made ITN. Hurricane Ian as more international coverage, more article views, more bytes in size, more images, and is basically “more” or “better” in every possible way (even more deaths) than that kidnapping article, which made ITN. Stop stalling because you haven’t said a single reason that can’t be pushed back on why Hurricane Ian shouldn’t be posted to ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- P.S. Also, based on that def, once NWS posts Ian's initial damage total, would that make it ITN (even if it ain't in the news anymore)? "Scale of destruction" cannot be judged during a storm that is ongoing, meaning you are considering only fatalities for ITN worthiness on a storm. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Masem, you know as well as anyone there is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS threshold here. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- By tomorrow you will be wondering why we hadn't posted this sooner. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The rationale is similar to what Noah points out below. The landfall in Florida is expected to have as much if not more of an impact, so it makes sense to post when there's actual destruction to talk about. And on the hypothetic, if Ian turned north and later made significant damage in New England or Canada (to add to death toll perhaps) then we can update it if it was posted. But as it is with Ian, the "damage" that we have documented is mostly just the power failure which, in a hurricane, is not remarkable. Masem (t) 02:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Ongoing It's still doing its thing, we can agree, whether we yet know how to word "its thing" into a few short points or not. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weather events do not make for good ongoing since they only last for days, not weeks. We only need to consider posting when reasonably full extent if damages are known. Masem (t) 21:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- What's wrong with posting something for days? We sometimes do it with RDs. Way easier than us all agreeing on what constitutes a reasonably full extent. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The only time we did Ongoing was during Cyclone Idai when the search for bodies was continuing to uncover dozens to hundreds per day. NoahTalk 22:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- What's wrong with posting something for days? We sometimes do it with RDs. Way easier than us all agreeing on what constitutes a reasonably full extent. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weather events do not make for good ongoing since they only last for days, not weeks. We only need to consider posting when reasonably full extent if damages are known. Masem (t) 21:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support It already made landfall and may cause some casualties. Shwcz (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, it made landfall in Cuba long ago. I hope that's what you're talking about. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Already had a big impact in Cuba, now made landfall in Florida. There are reports of 20 missing after a boat sank. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support first blurb. nableezy - 21:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose until the impact is known. Will reconsider if significant fatalities and/or damage occurs.
- NoahTalk 22:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- So re-nominate in like 2-3 days (after it ain’t a Hurricane anymore)? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- That is normal, yes. Like any weather event, it'll probably be over by the time we know how devastating it was. That doesn't make it stale. "After it ain't a hurricane anymore" is the perfect time to post a hurricane blurb. Vanilla Wizard 💙 22:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Elijahandskip:It's still a fresh news story for a whole week after it dissipates. People shouldn't nominate here until fatalities have been confirmed. Even then, they shouldn't nominate for low numbers (ie 1,2,3,etc) since that's typical of any tropical storm. The Rambling Man is right that too many storms either get shitty nominations when they aren't really all that impactful to society like what happened with Fiona for the record or have premature nominations when we have no idea what's happening in the affected regions like what's happening here right now. This makes it harder for those actually deserving to be posted. NoahTalk 22:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- So re-nominate in like 2-3 days (after it ain’t a Hurricane anymore)? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The death toll from Fiona is over 10 times higher, and it's not being posted after two attempts here. If that isn't notable, I don't see how this is. Ian doesn't even seem to be breaking any records yet either, unlike Fiona. Nfitz (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - these ITN conversations and arguement are so ridiculous sometimes. Obviously notable (but how can we post it if we don't know how many people died???) and the article is good. --TorsodogTalk 04:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - it looks like a pretty bad hurricane, and even if we don't end up including it on the main page, it's definitely impossible to deny that media coverage has ramped up significantly. Dennis Dartman (talk) 04:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Seems like it would've been nice if we had just put the hurricane season itself in ongoing... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Article looks really great! Definitely well set up for ITN, well done :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Hilaree Nelson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by बडा काजी (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Missing September 26; Body found on September 28 बडा काजी (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Support, Article is fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman named as the Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, DW, Bloomberg, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Oppose, my understanding is that he was the de facto head of government already, so becoming the formal head of government is no substantive change. Sandstein 07:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's in the news, unlike the election in Nauru. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- You still don't understand how Candidates works. Nauru elections are ITNR, the Saudi Arabian PM election is not. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose cosmetic change in order to grant diplomatic immunity to Prince Mohamed, who, to all intents and purposes, already rules on behalf of his father the King. Khuft (talk) 11:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Cosmetic change indeed. Tradediatalk 12:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
CommentOppose – Not prominently covered. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)- Oppose Who? Just kidding! But seriously, who cares who the Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia is. The post is largely ceremonial in an absolute kingdom. Shwcz (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Might've been more noteworthy if it wasn't just MBS taking on another title. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Just Mohammad bin Salman formally becoming head of government of Saudi Arabia. He was already the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia so basically ceremonial. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 19:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Ceremonial and lacks any real significance. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not substantive development. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Sue Mingus
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; JazzTimes
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First reported today (September 27); died on September 24. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support American record producer and band manager who died in a Manhattan hospital aged 92, article's mostly fine, aside from two versions of where and when she met Charles. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
RD:Joe Bussard
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable collector of pre-war American roots music. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, but what the hell is the comment above?? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The user seems to be a vandalism only account, or lacks competence. I've removed the message and given them a 4im. Anarchyte (talk) 11:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Kinda short, but I would have supported it if not for some unencyclopedic language like "had the collecting bug", which should be addressed. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Nord Stream leaks
Blurb: The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience multiple simultaneous unexplained explosions and leaks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience three unexplained explosions and leaks off the coast of Bornholm.
Alternative blurb II: Multiple underwater leaks spring in the Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Western Europe in what several countries term an apparent act of [state] sabotage.
News source(s): NY Times, Reuters, Guardian, AP, BBC, DW. AlJazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Smurrayinchester (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Sabotage is widely suspected (the NS1 gas pipeline was, pre-invasion, one of the main routes for gas imports to Europe) by reliable sources, but probably not confirmed enough for a blurb Smurrayinchester 15:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support major political event with possibility for environmental and/or economic trouble. The Kip (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing at the moment to gauge its significance. Further, if the leak's relevance tangentially hinges on the war, ongoing is there. Gotitbro (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Just one of those freak accidents, I suppose. It happens. No one died, so it's hard to weigh the significance of this. And we should be careful not to automatically impose a POV without concrete evidence. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. We have no idea what this is all about. If more facts come to light and a bigger story develops, it will probably get its own article and we'll see then. cart-Talk 16:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support major political event of geopolitical significance and a possible escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War that may bring in European powers. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- As long as we are at "possible" and "may", this is not an event for ITN. I think we should stick to facts. cart-Talk 16:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's a fact that there are three leaks in two pipelines alongside Denmark and that the Danish Prime Minister has said it may be sabotage and that Ukraine has accused Russia of doing it to aggress Europe. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- As long as we are at "possible" and "may", this is not an event for ITN. I think we should stick to facts. cart-Talk 16:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment a new article titled 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks has been created by Manvswow. Perhaps that article should be featured instead of the main one. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, It is not a major development now and still there is not enough information about it. Alex-h (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Unless proven to be wholly unrelated to the war, and still considered an act if sabotage, this either falls under the ongoing, or just the normal failing infrastructure department. --Masem (t) 18:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support major infrastructure blowing up doesn't happen very often, so notable regardless of the cause. Even more so if it was sabotage, what increasingly seems like the most likely explanation. 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 18:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- List of pipeline accidents suggests it happens quite often and most instances aren't notable by Wikipedia standards (for countless natural gas explosions, see List of explosions#2020s). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting. So according to these lists this is the first case of an underwater pipeline blowing up. As well as the first case of two related pipelines near simultaneously blowing up. In other words, an exceedingly rare and thus notable event. 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- List of pipeline accidents suggests it happens quite often and most instances aren't notable by Wikipedia standards (for countless natural gas explosions, see List of explosions#2020s). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, probably gremlins. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a troll post or are you just childish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Neither; are you the long IP who removed it, the short one or both? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a troll post or are you just childish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Both PM of Sweden and Denmark has held press briefings where they claim it's been an act of sabotage and not an accident. From a Global Politics perspective, this is a major geopolitical event. Swedish PM has spoken to the German Chancellor, Secretary General of NATO, Danish PM and EU commission. Manvswow (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose: NS2 never got final approval, and NS1 has been winding down for four months now. This just conforms to the trend, and needs greater significance for a post. 213.233.108.179 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Pipelines not in use get damaged, cause unknown" is not a notable enough item for ITN (Russia had stopped deliveries over NS1 weeks ago and NS2 was never in use). If (and only if) there are any further major developments because of these defects, we can then post those developments. Regards SoWhy 19:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Major event with large environmental consequences, all over the news. The Article featured should be 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks which I added in the Alt blurb.✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 21:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Much improved, Your Majesty! If I may implore just one thing more, might ye see that "multiple" be "three"? And yes, I'm being childish here, not trollish and entirely serious about the whole specification request part of this. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. As already noted, neither pipeline is in operation so political/economic impacts are likely off the table as things stand, and environmental impacts do not seem as great as suggested judging by the article. Probably worth waiting a few days to see if any of this changes but as is I don't see this as significant enough to post (save for the fact that this is getting a lot of coverage, but a lot of the buzz is just individuals playing the blame game. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment – Iffy.– Sca (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)- Support Norway's drone alert seems significant too. Reminds me of the time in the Spanish Civil War when mysterious submarines started sinking ships in the Med. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose unless proven to be an act of sabotage not related to the current war. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – No longer iffy. Very widely covered, with several Baltic-bordering countries, plus the EU, condemning an apparent act of (state) sabotage. Favor Alt2 or something similar. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- PS: Suggest we avoid the verb "experience" as anthropomorphic. Inanimate objects don't 'experience' things, only sentient beings do. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not much volume going thru the pipeline even before this incident. So this is just another event in the slow death of the pipeline. Not important enough at this point to be its own ITN item independant from the ongoing Ukraine war item... Tradediatalk 12:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – In Alt2, the word "state" would be optional. – Sca (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- support unique, unusual, interesting, ACTUALLY IN THE NEWS. I'm kinda baffled by the responses of some of the other editors who oppose this on importance grounds (even though its the presence in mainstream news feeds that should be the actual criterion), but who then routinely vote for posting parliamentary elections in Nauru and similar exceedingly important news pieces.
- Preceding posted by IP user 5.44.170.26. – Sca (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, who gives a flip what's going on in Nauru! But on a more serious note, what is the exact significance you speak of that you believe is being overlooked? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support The pipelines were not used, but the attack does have an economic impact. The expectation was that in the future they would again be used, and that kept the gas price on the futures market in check. Since the attack the price has risen. There is a lack of production capacity for gas, and even if Europe can import all the gas it needs, LNG is way more expensive than gas from Russia was even under normal conditions. Another reason for the rise in the gas price as a result of the attack, is that there is now the possibility that Russia will deal a truly devastating blow to Europe by taking out the gas pipeline from Norway, attack LNG terminals etc. Count Iblis (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- When you speak of the rise in the gas price, are you speaking of LNG, or the stuff Americans call gas? HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support EU, NATO say Nord Stream gas pipelines were sabotaged. Significant political, economic, and environmental impacts. Widely covered in the news. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. No casualties. This seems to be just an extension of a war that is already ongoing. Shwcz (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - basically covered by the war ongoing item. nableezy - 21:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Only thing is the Baltic Sea is about a thousand kilometres from the battle fields of Ukraine; and no warring party claimed responsibility for this attack. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 23:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The subject is not mentioned in the Russian invasion of Ukraine article at all, so it is not covered there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact. Pardy (talk) 09:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC).
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Journal Gazette
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Naoero parliamentary election
Blurb: Nauru elects all 19 members of its parliament (Post)
News source(s): Pina, Naoero Electoral Commission
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: It is quite difficult to write a blurb for a country with only 10000 inhabitants and no political parties. Article needs tons of work, nominating to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once expanded - I'd doubt the significance but I realize this is in WP:ITN/R, so this is not the place to raise my objections. Quantum XYZ (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Needs more prose, needs to have the links removed from the section headers per MOS:SECTIONHEAD, tables need "scopes" per MOS:DTAB. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support in principle but the article is 80% tables at the moment. The Kip (talk) 15:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Sadly, even the tables are not complete - only four of the eight constituencies are currently included. See also here: Nauru election results. In addition, it seems that a new president was elected by the new parliament - it would be great to have more prose on that too. Khuft (talk) 11:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I propose we make an exception and skip this one per WP:IAR. Tradediatalk 12:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose we wouldn't post results for a mayoral election for a small city of 10,000 people. As cool as Nauru is, they are tiny. 1779Days (talk) 16:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- and? You should know that Nauru is a sovereign nation. City ≠ Nation _-_Alsor (talk) 17:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm very aware this is ITNR, but I Oppose- not because it is a small country, but because this isn't sufficiently covered in reliable sources. No problem posting if this is sufficiently in the news. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability - something I shouldn't have to say because the entire purpose of ITNR is to skip the notability question because change in government in a sovereign state is inherently notable. Oppose for now on quality. The most substantial section is the one which describes the electoral system, but there is little content about the election itself. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. The election is already over but there seems to be still no improvements to the article. Shwcz (talk) 21:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tom Reed (American football)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News & Observer; North Carolina State University; Miami University
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine. Teemu08 (talk) 15:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article is good. Alex-h (talk) 13:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support: Article is good and looks fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
2022 Cuban Family Code referendum
Blurb: A referendum on legalizing same-sex marriage in Cuba passes. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cuba legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption following the passage of the Family Code referendum.
Alternative blurb II: A referendum on recognizing same-sex marriages and other family matters in Cuba passes.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by HadesTTW (talk · give credit)
- Created by Moondragon21 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by KlayCax (talk · give credit) and HapHaxion (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Important referendum for the LGBT community in Cuba. I might have to rewrite the blurb. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Inquiry Is this the first (non-overseas-territory) same-sex marriage legalization in the Caribbean? If so, this is notable. Also worth mentioning in the blurb that the same referendum legalized adoption by same-sex couples. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, sort of. It is the first *independent* Caribbean island to legalize same-sex marriage. The other places in the Caribbean that have same-sex marriage have some association with Europe or the US. For example, Overseas France, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands; Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba (Netherlands) See Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas -TenorTwelve (talk) 01:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's also the first Marxist-Leninist or communist state to legalize it. I would say both factors push it to notability. @TenorTwelve: @Vanilla Wizard:. KlayCax (talk) 03:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Added an alt-blurb that also links to LGBT rights in Cuba, since pages of this type are typically ran whenever a country adopts same-sex marriage (and the article itself is in good shape from a cursory glance). Anyway, weak support as it's the first Caribbean nation and first authoritarian country to adopt same-sex marriage. However, the Family Code page needs to make its summary beefier and fix some citation needed tags. Mount Patagonia (talk) 23:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose there are more than thirty countries that have legalised same sex marriage. Not notable. Stephen 23:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's the first Marxist-Leninist and communist state to recognize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. KlayCax (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The early Soviet Union deregulated such matters – see free love, for example. That was really progressive whereas the Cuban thing seems to be a huge bureaucratic list of regulations about numerous family matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Didn't the Soviet Union do so on accident via a technicality? Lenin (who opposed free love) declared all imperial-era laws null and void, which technically deregulated homosexuality for a short time, and then Stalin cracked down on it and the USSR would remain very hostile to gay civil liberties for the rest of its existence. It was certainly not an example of a Marxist-Leninist state intentionally granting rights to gay couples. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The early Soviet Union deregulated such matters – see free love, for example. That was really progressive whereas the Cuban thing seems to be a huge bureaucratic list of regulations about numerous family matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Most of these are in Europe or South America where it same-sex marriage is more common and less notable (hence why we blurbed Taiwan but not Slovenia). Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's the first Marxist-Leninist and communist state to recognize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. KlayCax (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Mount Patagonia stating that it was the first Caribbean nation to legalize it. Barring islands owned by Western powers, the Caribbean has some very poor LGBT rights. This is a remarkable first for the region. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose In other news the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow. From my perspective, this has become routine. If Saudi Arabia or Russia legalize it, I might consider supporting a blurb. But otherwise, this has become an endless run of "this or that country legalizes SSM" nominations. If someone wants to propose that legalization of SSM should be added to ITNR, that discussion belongs on the talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Cuba is the first communist and Marxist-Leninist state to legalize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. It's not like Italy hypothetically legalizing it. KlayCax (talk) 03:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- AGF Support per the analysis of TenorTwelve and Mount Patagonia. If every election result is posted even when there isn't a transfer of power... this is a significant change. --Gaois (talk) 03:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once the "Voting" section is properly cited. It might need a bit more expansion too. The article overall does look very nice and should fit well within our ITN framework. First independent Caribbean nation to make the step is real excellent news! LGBT rights has always been an interesting ongoing story within Cuba and has been quite positive since the 1990s, but this is a great landmark. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The more I read about this topic, the more significant it seems. Aljazeera notes that it "[allows] surrogate pregnancies, broader rights for grandparents in regard to grandchildren, protection of the elderly and measures against gender violence." I do feel like the article might need more expansion on the details on all these items before posting... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough for ITN. We don't want to use Wikipedia for political activism. Tradediatalk 09:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- How does this fall under political activism? —VersaceSpace 🌃 16:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's not. Wikipedia did the same with Taiwan in 2019. It's entirely in line with previous, established precedent on the issue. I'm perplexed by your claim that this is
"political activism"
. News coverage isn't the same as an endorsement (for or against). KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's not. Wikipedia did the same with Taiwan in 2019. It's entirely in line with previous, established precedent on the issue. I'm perplexed by your claim that this is
- Support Major news, first country in the Caribbean to do so. Stop being homophobic and celebrate this victory for the LGBTQ+ community. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 12:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Hcoder3104: That is an extremely bad-faith casting of aspersions. No one here is motivated by homophobia. Please strike your comment. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- While I support its inclusion, that's a massive reach of an accusation to make considering the genuine debate above. The Kip (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Stephen, Orientem, Tradedia. Old hat [4]. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- : It's entirely in line with the criteria established by precedent. Cuba is the first communist, Marxist-Leninist, and Caribbean state to legally recognize same-sex marriage. There's simply a multitude of reasons on why this is independently notable.KlayCax (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support With Cuba being both the first major Caribbean state and first professed Marxist-Leninist state to do most of this, I feel the notability meets the bar for ITNR (versus being the Xth European country to do so). The Kip (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Major news. Reporting on an advancement of human rights isn't "political activism". What a joke. —VersaceSpace 🌃 16:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Unless I'm mistaken, there never was a law against gay marriage, only a part of the constitution that defined marriage as a union of a man and a woman. That prohibitive wording was already removed in December 2018, approved by referendum February 2019. Now, in 2022, it's defined as a union of "two people", but is no more or less legal than it had been for about four years. I'm totally ignorant on the adoption angle; maybe that's a real change. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's a bit inaccurate. No, Cuba did not already have same-sex marriage before 2022. Despite the removal of the explicit Constitutional ban in 2019, article 2 of the previous Family Code law defined marriage as between one man and one woman. The changes to the constitution three years ago simply paved the way for this to be possible today. Note that most countries don't have such explicit constitutional bans on SSM like Cuba used to, yet most countries also don't legally recognize SSM. E.g., Poland has a constitutional ban on it, but dropping that constitutional ban would not be the same as legalizing it. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't say it had them, I said its constitution already dropped the only wording that (implicitly) banned them. If there's some practical distinction between legalizing something and making it not illegal, it's too slight for me. And if you're saying the Family Code still defined marriage as between one man and one woman after April 2019, that's at odds with several paragraphs in the target article's Background section. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The Constitution of Cuba banned same-sex marriage until 2019. However, other pieces of legislation restricted legal marriage recognition to heterosexual partnerships. No same-sex relationships were recognized in law until the passage of the referendum. KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- So same-sex marriages are now recognized in Cuba. Cool. Added an altblurb, InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- A legally binding marriage is one that is recognized by the state. If it is not recognized, it is not legal. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, previous gay marriages were not legally binding. But before they were recognized, it was not a crime to perform or partake in one. On the other hand, the doing, providing and holding of many "progressive" recreational drugs has yet to be legalized, despite several Cuban laws presumably recognizing the practices. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Performing a gay marriage" when it's not legally binding is just pretending to get married for fun. Of course that wouldn't be a crime. Describing that as "gay marriage was legal, just not recognized" is just severely misunderstanding what the word "legal" means in the context of gay marriage. Altblurb2 is misinformed. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It could also be seen as binding in the eyes of God before the state recognizes it. A sacred bond, not just gay fun. If you don't consider legal recognition of same-sex marriages and other matters the point here, by all means, ignore my blurb (but always remember, performers marry, partakers get married.) InedibleHulk (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Performing a gay marriage" when it's not legally binding is just pretending to get married for fun. Of course that wouldn't be a crime. Describing that as "gay marriage was legal, just not recognized" is just severely misunderstanding what the word "legal" means in the context of gay marriage. Altblurb2 is misinformed. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, previous gay marriages were not legally binding. But before they were recognized, it was not a crime to perform or partake in one. On the other hand, the doing, providing and holding of many "progressive" recreational drugs has yet to be legalized, despite several Cuban laws presumably recognizing the practices. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- A legally binding marriage is one that is recognized by the state. If it is not recognized, it is not legal. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- So same-sex marriages are now recognized in Cuba. Cool. Added an altblurb, InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The Constitution of Cuba banned same-sex marriage until 2019. However, other pieces of legislation restricted legal marriage recognition to heterosexual partnerships. No same-sex relationships were recognized in law until the passage of the referendum. KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't say it had them, I said its constitution already dropped the only wording that (implicitly) banned them. If there's some practical distinction between legalizing something and making it not illegal, it's too slight for me. And if you're saying the Family Code still defined marriage as between one man and one woman after April 2019, that's at odds with several paragraphs in the target article's Background section. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's a bit inaccurate. No, Cuba did not already have same-sex marriage before 2022. Despite the removal of the explicit Constitutional ban in 2019, article 2 of the previous Family Code law defined marriage as between one man and one woman. The changes to the constitution three years ago simply paved the way for this to be possible today. Note that most countries don't have such explicit constitutional bans on SSM like Cuba used to, yet most countries also don't legally recognize SSM. E.g., Poland has a constitutional ban on it, but dropping that constitutional ban would not be the same as legalizing it. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support The first nation in a historically socially-conservative region makes this more noteworthy than if it was X European country, and I think it is worthwhile to note this in blurb that it is the first in the Caribbean. Curbon7 (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's only the first in the Caribbean if you arbitrarily discount the third lead paragraph of Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's the first sovereign state in the Caribbean to do so, every other one has been a territory/dominion of another country The Kip (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a meaningful distinction, in a sexual context, or just trivia? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Of course it's a meaningful distinction. The United States is not "a Caribbean country", despite owning territories in it where same-sex marriage is only legal simply because these lands are owned by the US. The Caribbean is a very conservative region with regards to LGBT rights. Never before has a country within it made the decision to legalize SSM. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's a very conservative region if you pretend the lands and people that make up its majority don't count because they're somewhat remotely administered (or not Communist, Marxist, Leninist, whatever). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Of course it's a meaningful distinction. The United States is not "a Caribbean country", despite owning territories in it where same-sex marriage is only legal simply because these lands are owned by the US. The Caribbean is a very conservative region with regards to LGBT rights. Never before has a country within it made the decision to legalize SSM. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this a meaningful distinction, in a sexual context, or just trivia? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's the first sovereign state in the Caribbean to do so, every other one has been a territory/dominion of another country The Kip (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's only the first in the Caribbean if you arbitrarily discount the third lead paragraph of Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support per Maplestrip and The Kip as the first country in the region and the first country with a similar ideology legalizing gay marriage. Also, it's only the third constitutional referendum in Cuba ever and the first after the 2019 Cuban constitutional referendum that adopted the current constitution, which is also noteworthy since Cuba has not seen the possibility of such participation (with the last one being 43 years before the 2019 one). Regards SoWhy 19:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Strong support per previously established precedent. Cuba is the first communist, Marxist-Leninist, and independent Caribbean polity to legally recognize same-sex marriages. KlayCax (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- 'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Stephen, Orientem, Tradedia, etc. Nothing new. Just routine. Same-sex marriages are legal in several countries around the world.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 20:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kacamata. I don't think we need to blurb every time this happens. If this happened in Saudi Arabia I'd say blurb it. Thriley (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. Not voting on this because of how charged the conversation has become, but I think it does not make sense for us to use region as context for posting such a blurb. Yes, Cuba may be the first Caribbean country that has legalized same-sex marriage, but that fact alone does not make this blurb-worthy in the sense that the Caribbean isn't some homogeneous group of nations, and we have no proof that the legalization of same-sex marriage in one Caribbean country will have any effect on similar legislation in another. I think if this nom were to pass it should be in the Marxist-Leninist context, not the regional one. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality I expect prose explaining the impact of its passing, justifying its posting to readers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support per above. First in the region, sweeping effects for the country, huge milestone for LGBT rights. Davey2116 (talk) 07:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - elections are typically posted for every country in the world. The result is historic since it is the first Communist country to legalize gay marriage. Shwcz (talk) 13:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – After 38+ hours, consensus appears unlikely to develop. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, the !votes aren't that close (by my count 14:9 including the nom), but Wikipedia is not a vote and the longer this goes without posting the more stale it'll be. Not stale just yet IMO, I still see people talk about it outside of Wikipedia, but I agree it is slowly but surely getting stale. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support a major development no matter how many have come before it, and rare enough that we can post without worry. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose No prose results and the conduct section lacks references. Also, please remember that Cuba is still part of North America. Joofjoof (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Double Asteroid Redirection Test
Blurb: NASA's DART spacecraft successfully collides with the asteroid Dimorphos (pictured immediately before collision) in a demonstration of asteroid impact avoidance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Double Asteroid Redirection Test deliberately collides a spacecraft with asteroid Dimorphos (pictured) to test asteroid deflection.
News source(s): CNN NYT JPL press release
Credits:
- Nominated by osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
- Created by Frmorrison (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Impact of DART spacecraft on asteroid Dimorphos expected to take place in about an hour from time of writing, nominating ahead of time since it is not only ITN/R (arrival of interplanetary spacecraft at destination) but also has received significant press coverage as the first spacecraft to alter the trajectory of an asteroid. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Wait until it is confirmed whether it impacts or fails to impact the asteroid; will change to support afterwards.The Kip (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)- Support Successful impact. The Kip (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support It's good to give people advance warning. I'm watching the Official NASA broadcast. The opposition of Jupiter is also worth a look but it's overcast where I am. Note that the launch was previously posted. This time, we have a cool picture of the target just before impact and there may be some good stand-off images of the impact to come. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, once properly updated. NYT reports that the test was successful. Nsk92 (talk) 23:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support the mission was successful, the spaccraft deliberately crashed into the asteroid. It would be good to have confirmation of the asteroid orbital trajectory change but I guess that will be sometime before that can be confirmed. Polyamorph (talk) 02:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Partial supportChange to support -After it's been replaced by the official release (rather than the crop from a blurry Youtube video).The image is a composite of the images released. I'd still prefer the official release I linked to, but I guess this is fine. Renerpho (talk) 03:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)- Comment Dimorphos is actually a Minor-planet moon, rather than an asteroid/minor planet on its own right, so I would consider providing an altblurb. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Didymos and Dimorphos are a binary asteroid system. Dimorphos is the "moon" in the system but is still an asteroid in its own right. Polyamorph (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – The article is looking lovely and this seems very well-suited. I do see one or two sentences uncited, which should be fixed first, but the article seems mostly ready to me! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment ATLAS has published a nice GIF of their telescopic view of the impact. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support. Definitely notable enough and the article has been updated. However it could do with some tidying up - it's been used as an image dump, some of the prose is self-promotional, and there are a few {{cn}} tags for the new material. I've added an altblurb, which is both shorter and avoids the confusion of saying the impact is to avoid an impact. Modest Genius talk 12:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once above issues are resolved. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - unique event in space history. Nfitz (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment What's up with the broken template displayed above? Renerpho (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Love to see space news on ITN. Davey2116 (talk) 07:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment 3 "citation needed" and a "needs update" tag outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 08:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support its been two days, the article is fine jonas (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weak support Nothing has really happened yet. Shwcz (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support only once the "Course of the impact" section is updated. Several cn and update tags are oustanding, and this is the section that we are promoting. Anarchyte (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Yusuf al-Qaradawi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Qaradawi's website, The National
Credits:
- Nominated by Quantum XYZ (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Muslim scholar from Egypt, affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Article in good shape, except for 9 "citation needed" tags. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support: He is one of the most influential figure among Muslim world. 3skandar (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support nableezy - 15:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait Many CN tags, orange "expansion" section, some wonky English, generally seems like a long argument about controversial things. The update is in order (no cause needed). Definitely famous enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once quality issues are fixed. The Kip (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, quality issues are the only issues that exist when it comes to RD. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support: Per above. Ainty Painty (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - there remain many unreferenced statements and an orange tag on the biography section. Unmarked as ready. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Removed the uncited quotes as both uncited and mostly OR on primary sources, leaving the expand tag. Id say just remove that too, anybody can expand it without the tag. nableezy - 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- There still remain a number of cn tags, as well as a few major works lacking ISBN identifiers. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Izhevsk school shooting
Blurb: A school shooting in Izhevsk, Russia, leaves 18 people dead (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, France24, DW
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
- Created by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: At least 14 dead and 21 injured. There seems to have been a few in Russia in recent years but I think still comparatively rare compared, say, to the US. So worth a discussion on significance here. The article will need expansion before it is suitable for posting - Dumelow (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support after expansion. We posted the Kazan school shooting last year (see here). Anarchyte (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Article needs further expansion but I definitely see myself supporting this! :( ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once expanded per nom and Anarchyte. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support ... pending expansion. Very widely covered. – Sca (talk) 12:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once the article is expanded and everything is confirmed Mooonswimmer 12:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - Article has bare minimum to post Sherenk1 (talk) 12:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm only getting 174 words of prose, we tend to want around 500 for posting purposes. --Masem (t) 12:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support posting once expanded We don't even need to compare to the US. If this happened in the US, we would post it. --RockstoneSend me a message! 12:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- So much for not needing to compare. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Question Are TASS, Dmitry Peskov and the Investigative Committee of Russia to be believed on such things as casualty figures and allegations of Nazi-themed terrorism? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- If our normal RSes are reporting what these groups say. We have zero reason to doubt that these statements were made, but I would expect their statements to be attributed. Masem (t) 13:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- They're currently attributed in some places, Wikipedia-voiced in Events and only vaguely alluded to (perhaps with suspicion) in others, such as "officials" and "reported". It's not terrible. But it bears watching. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- If our normal RSes are reporting what these groups say. We have zero reason to doubt that these statements were made, but I would expect their statements to be attributed. Masem (t) 13:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – At 14:00, this event led most RS sites (although NYT put it below a dozen other articles). All the RSs above quote official Russian sources. The lone shooter reportedly wore "Nazi symbols" or a swastika. That may echo Russian propaganda about Ukraine, but that doesn't mean it's untrue. Definitely looming large, no reason for us to ignore it. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality. Stubish now, needs expanding. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I think we have too many of these items. But I don't see how it doesn't get posted, given what gets (in my mind, unnecessarily) posted about such events in USA and recently in Canada. Nfitz (talk) 15:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, We have put similar incidents before. Alex-h (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – At this point article is a 235-word stub. – Sca (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Currently oppose on quality. Essentially two and a half sentences about the events themselves is too little for me at this time, given that's the topic of the article and what would be the subject of the blurb. As illustration, the "See also" section is about a third the length in words of "Events". A quick check of the sources, and other news reports, it seems there is little in the of information right now, though I assume there will be more forthcoming. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support on notability, not ready on quality per what everyone else said. Once it's lengthened to at least start-class and we have more information about the event itself, it should be good to go. Vanilla Wizard 💙 01:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once expanded per Vanilla Wizard. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – In news terms, getting stale. – Sca (talk) 00:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Looks more than a stub now as there was some expansion, marking ready. Brandmeistertalk 09:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – In terms of news, stale. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, still newer than our newest item (26 September vs. Kipchoge's item from 25 September). Brandmeistertalk 18:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unmarked ready Consensus is that this is notable for posting upon expansion. The current readable prose is 2046 bytes and 322 words. Need affirmation on whether this is sufficient. There was one earlier mention of wanting 500 words.—Bagumba (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Meredith Tax
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: A pioneer of the American women's liberation movement. Thriley (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Nikolai Kirtok
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): всегерои.рф
Credits:
- Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Toadboy123 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Jonathan Beaulieu-Richard
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cmm3 (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and CAWylie (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Story checks out. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Article is of rather low quality, only containing two references with actual prose about the player. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fair call-out. A big issue is that he was a Quebecois. Anybody parlez-vous Francais? I see French-language sources are out there. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- @DatGuy:, it's better now. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support C'est bon. Joofjoof (talk) 09:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: James Florio
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Jersey Globe
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former Governor of New Jersey Thriley (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, As the article is updated.Alex-h (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022 Italian general election
Blurb: The centre-right coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The centre-right coalition wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured).
News source(s): Sky News, Reuters, BBC News, AP, DW, CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nick.mon (talk · give credit) and Davide King (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Comfortable win according to exit polls for Meloni just as opinion polls predicited, results are watched in the whole world as Italy is a major country. BastianMAT (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Obviously notable and article looks fine. According to the centre-right coalition, the coalition is led by the three main party leaders (Meloni, Salvini, and Berlusconi). As such saying that Meloni is the leader of the coalition would appear inaccurate, even if it is likely she will be elected Prime Minister after the election. I would instead rephrase the blurb as: "The Centre-right coalition wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured)." Gust Justice (talk) 21:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Article does not "look fine" when the "Results" section only contains empty tables and no prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously I would only post once at least initial results are part of the article. I wouldn't immediately post the blurb right now. Gust Justice (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this is ITN/R, there is no need to support on importance, only when the item is ready based on quality. Your initial comment made no mention of waiting for it to be ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per agreement in the centre-right coalition, largest party gets the PM role, and that is Meloni, so she has obviously been crowned the winner by RS but we can use the other blurb too. [6] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this is ITN/R, there is no need to support on importance, only when the item is ready based on quality. Your initial comment made no mention of waiting for it to be ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously I would only post once at least initial results are part of the article. I wouldn't immediately post the blurb right now. Gust Justice (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Article does not "look fine" when the "Results" section only contains empty tables and no prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for now until results tables are filled in and some prose about the results is written up. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Have added an aftermath and exit polls result section now. BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Tentative Support, By ANY Blurb The results section is empty. Assuming that's normal for now and the article won't otherwise get worse, cool. Only two years or less till this major country's 69th post-war government! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. Official results are not out yet. I do not think we should post this nom on exit polls. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Main opposition, Democratic Party has conceded, Meloni has announced victory and several politicians such as Le Pen and Polish PM have congratulated her. We can of course wait, but it is not likely to change anything. [7] [8] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, and then support Alternative. Wait for the table to have a reliable set of results, of course, but this is fairly conclusive. JackWilfred (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment We need to wait for the dust to settle but note that Melini would be Italy's first female PM. She seems to be in the mould of Britain's first female PM – big on traditional values and handbagging the EU. But coalition politics are messy. Note that we are still blurbing the Swedish election, which was two weeks ago, but they don't seem to have formed a government yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- As a Swede that have lived in Italy, there is a clear difference here. The centre-right coalition is an actual coalition with all agreements made, and Meloni already being finalized as the PM candidate as her party is the biggest. Sweden’s right-bloc was an ”informal” coalition with no agreements made except ousting the sitting government, and that is why the negotiations is taking a while. BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, until actual election results rather than just exit polls are available. Nsk92 (talk) 08:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Nsk92:, 98% of the actual results counted now, lol. [9] [10] BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- The results table in the article is still empty. Nsk92 (talk) 10:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Nsk92:, 98% of the actual results counted now, lol. [9] [10] BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Here's the source for the results, someone needs to fill the table with them. --Vacant0 (talk) 10:19, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – BBC hed says Meloni "wins election." – Sca (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – I think the article is ready for ITN. Yakme (talk) 10:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent article, with detailed prose on the results and aftermath, well-cited throughout. Exemplary. Modest Genius talk 12:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose ... for now. Article backs into results, mentioning Meloni's victory only after 186 words of background. Reorganization needed. With a suitably revised lead section it would be blurbable. – Sca (talk) 12:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- PS: FWIW, German Wiki's ITN blurbs this as follows: "In the parliamentary elections in Italy, the far-right Fratelli d'Italia under its leader Giorgia Meloni emerge[s] as the strongest force." – Sca (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
Done I think now the lead is a bit more on point. Yakme (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Now it's in the second graf. Somewhat better, but ideally it should be in the first, the true 'lede' paragraph. -- Sca (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree, as the first paragraph should first state why there was a snap election in the first place, then the results. I think at the moment the results are quite clear by reading the first few lines. Yakme (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sca, I followed your latest suggestion, which one is better?12 Davide King (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Found a middle-ground agreement with Davide King which IMO improved the intro. Should now make everyone happy. Yakme (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Now it's in the second graf. Somewhat better, but ideally it should be in the first, the true 'lede' paragraph. -- Sca (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Quality is good enough; don't see a good reason to delay this. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose unless the blurb is corrected to "right-wing". Only one of the three parties forming the coalition is regularly described as "centre-right" (Forza Italia) and it received the smallest percentage in the polls. Many reliable sources even describe the government as "far-right": [11][12][13][14][15][16] (even right-of-centre sources: [17][18][19]). Daß Wölf 15:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. (Er, in German it's der Wolf, though.) -- Sca (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have anything to say on the quality of the article? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Now that the results have been moved up to the top, the article seems adequate. Suggest post while it's still timely. -- Sca (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Disagree. The WP:COMMON name of the winning coalition is Centre-right coalition, it's a historical name in Italian politics. It does not matter that it is right-wing, or far-right, that's its name. Yakme (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Semantics, IMO. Let's follow the RS usage. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Small c, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- What about: "The coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election"? Yakme (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like a link to coalition. We may as well say the prime minister won the election. I insist you were right the first time. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- What about: "The coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election"? Yakme (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Disagree. The WP:COMMON name of the winning coalition is Centre-right coalition, it's a historical name in Italian politics. It does not matter that it is right-wing, or far-right, that's its name. Yakme (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Article is ready. --Vacant0 (talk) 19:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Good article quality. Results are clear now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 21:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - What's the holdup? – Sca (talk) 00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's more of a question and I believe the proper term is ritardo. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support page is ready now Shadow4dark (talk) 01:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted (Inserito? Pubblicato?). --PFHLai (talk) 03:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Aïcha Chenna
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Iconic Moroccan Activist Aicha Chenna Dies at 82
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
gobonobo + c 14:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Appears to be in order. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Oleksii Zhuravko
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ukrainska Pravda (in Ukrainian), Euromaiden Press
Credits:
- Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yulia Romero (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
TJMSmith (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Article says subject was "reportedly killed" in an airstrike. That language doesn't seem definite enough for an 'encyclopedic' RD. – Sca (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. RD requires "reliably sourced confirmation of their death", and I'm not convinced that second-hand reports of a statement in "Russian propaganda media" qualify. Thryduulf (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
OpposeNone of the news or references are in English. All can be seen as Russian or Ukrainian propaganda. If it were just most and the subject was less controversial, I'd say whatever, not technically verboten. But no. Not whatever now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)- Support The "language" changed to Factish and the BBC is now referenced, confirming in no uncertain terms that
A representative of the law enforcement agencies in the region was quoted by the TASS news agency as saying that the attack "was clearly carried out with the help of Nato representatives, according to their intelligence and on their tip".
In simpler terms,Kirill Stremousov said in a statement that Ukrainian armed forces fired a missile on the Play Hotel by Ribas at 05:30 (03:30 BST) on Sunday.
In one, "terrorist". The article might still need work, attribution-wise, but whatever. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)- Looks better. -- Sca (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support the article has been reasonably fixed-up from its state at nomination to assuage the concerns above. Curbon7 (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022 Berlin Marathon
Blurb: At the Berlin Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) wins with a new world record and Tigist Assefa wins with a new course record. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan runner Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) sets a new marathon world record with a time of 2:01:09.
Alternative blurb II: At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) and Ethiopian Tigist Assefa win the men's and women's races with new world and course records respectively.
News source(s): BBC · CNA · DW · The Guardian · The New York Times · Olympics · Reuters · Runner's World
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Dying (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Alibene567 (talk · give credit) and Track1News (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: i will be updating the article shortly. any suggestions would be appreciated. note: the berlin marathon is not in itn/r, though i am not sure why. however, i figured that a new world record would be worthy of itn. dying (talk) 10:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC) [updated. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)]
- Support once updated Still in need of updates, and fixing of barerefs, but it is clearly significant enough to post, since we posted the prior marathon world record, also set by Kipchoge at the Berlin Marathon. Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Lacks general impact or significance. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once the article is improved. I find it really surprising that this marathon isn't listed as ITNR given that it's been part of the World Marathon Majors from the beginning and its flat course makes it attractive with significantly higher probability to set a new world record.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once updated - The marathon is significant
on its own, nevermind with the new record. Quantum XYZ (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)- It seems that new records are a usual thing here, but I remain supportive of the nomination. Perhaps even an addition to WP:ITN/R? Quantum XYZ (talk) 15:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Sca. BilledMammal (talk) 14:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the Berlin Marathon was posted in 2018, not sure what would be different to make it lacking in significance now vs then. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- The 2018 nomination and posting was based on the significance of the new world record rather than the significance of the event. The significance of the two records may or may not be the same. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- the record that was posted in 2008 had broken a record that was set the previous year by 27 seconds, so presumably, this one is more significant. also, my guess is that this record will last for a while (though i would love to be proven wrong).[original research] one opinion, in an article published on a site filled with experienced runners, predicts kipchoge's record "could stand for 20 years". (i wouldn't go that far, though.) dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The 2018 nomination and posting was based on the significance of the new world record rather than the significance of the event. The significance of the two records may or may not be the same. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The article on Tigist Assefa needs to be updated/expanded. TJMSmith (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- thanks for pointing this out (and for cropping a picture of her). Track1News has expanded her article with an update. dying (talk) 17:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support 30 seconds off the world record seems significant and it's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- comment: i have marked the nomination updated as there is now a summary of kipchoge's race, although i hope to eventually get a summary of the others up as well. in addition, as i now realize that, the last time the world record was broken, only the record breaker was mentioned in the blurb, i have added an altblurb. (assefa's result was actually the third-fastest time ever, broke the course record by more than 2.5 minutes, and broke her personal record by almost 20 minutes, despite the race being only her second marathon, but, alas, it was not a world record.) i have also added a photo taken of kipchoge during the run, though i think some elements of the image could be cropped out. dying (talk) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- note that there is now an interesting discussion on the talk page about marathons on itn/r. also, i've provided another photo of kipchoge during the race, as this one may be less busy, and therefore perhaps more appropriate on the main page as a small thumbnail. many thanks to Thryduulf who helped crop the original image, which i am now using as the infobox image. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This should probably be posted in terms of the ludicrous breaking of the world record, rather than the event itself. In which case the target article should probably be Eliud Kipchoge. His article appears to be mostly fine apart from the second paragraph of the "2021" section, which is unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- this is a good point. i was unsure of which to bold (or whether to bold both) since the article on kipchoge himself was already pretty good, so i decided to follow the pattern used by recent marathon blurbs, which bolded the race, not the runners. i now see that the 2018 berlin blurb has the runner in bold, but not the marathon. i would support any decision, though if it gets posted without the marathon article in bold, i would also request that the associated article creation credit be removed from my nomination. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. I've drafted another altblurb that I think is clearer if we want to post a blurb mentioning both winners. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- World Record Only A lesser concurrent announcement waters it down (and as the record, the runner and the race completely coincide in this recent event, none can rightly stand bolder). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Too many sports news. Tradediatalk 05:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree. -- Sca (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Perplexed I remember that among last year's Nobel Prizes in science, one was omitted here but of course, any sports news gets posted. This is getting ridiculous. I had never heard of Australian Rules football before and would have been glad to never hear of it. So why not for these world changing 30 seconds... Varoon2542 (talk) 17:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- i am similarly perplexed. i believe all of the marathon world records have been posted since the start of itn/c: 2007 (disc · diff), 2008 (disc · diff), 2011 (disc · diff), 2013 (disc · diff), 2014 (disc · diff), and 2018 (disc · diff). (also, they were all set in berlin.) i had admittedly assumed that posting marathon world records was a no-brainer. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Dying Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean that it should continue. Are all practices not to be questioned? I was appalled when a Nobel Prize in Science was omitted last year. I had admittedly assumed that posting Nobel Prize winners was a no-brainer. I also assumed that marathon world records that happen very frequently (seven in less than 15 years!) as you yourself demonstrated, was not a significant subject to justify appearing on the main page. It's not a world changing event and it might pain you to learn, but most people who use wikipedia don't give a damn Varoon2542 (talk) 09:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- i am similarly perplexed. i believe all of the marathon world records have been posted since the start of itn/c: 2007 (disc · diff), 2008 (disc · diff), 2011 (disc · diff), 2013 (disc · diff), 2014 (disc · diff), and 2018 (disc · diff). (also, they were all set in berlin.) i had admittedly assumed that posting marathon world records was a no-brainer. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT only World record is notable, course record is not. The Kip (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 - widely covered new world record, but would support the bolded article being Eliud Kipchoge per Black Kite. nableezy - 20:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 as per above. We should be in the business of posting major athletic achievements. I tend to think those are more important than individual sports competitions.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support ALT1 The more significant of the two, as this marathon isn't under ITNR, but the record in itself is a noteworthy achievement. Curbon7 (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Consensus to post with focus on the world record. Blurb patterned after 2018 record post.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Bill Blaikie
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Times Colonist (Canadian Press); CTV News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 06:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support article has all necessary citations and no orange tags. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 18:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Hurricane Fiona results
Blurb: Hurricane Fiona hits Canadian soil being the deepest low-pressure system ever to be recorded on the country's soil after causing extensive flooding in Guadalupe, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic" (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Fiona kills at least 27 people across the Caribbean and Canada.
News source(s): [20], [21], [22]
Credits:
- Nominated by BucasBynch (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Daniel boxs (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Historic meteorological event affecting multiple different countries
- Oppose Not a significant disaster, but the record about lowest pressure system is fair game at DYK. --Masem (t) 21:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Not sure what the impact of this is. Perhaps elaborate a bit further on damage/death toll, if there is one?--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support This is international news – see the BBC, for example: Hurricane Fiona: Canada hit by 'historic, extreme event'. Or Le Monde. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Still unconfirmed. 69.118.232.58 (talk) 22:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- I nominated this on September 18. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:55, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, you're right, you did. Close this redundant nom. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Well, the earlier nom was about Fiona causing some damages in the Caribbean and is on track to get archived in about 20 hours. This new nom is about Fiona causing much more damages in Canada and setting hurricane records. Seems to be two distinct news stories in two separate noms. --PFHLai (talk) 03:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC) Better wait and see how much damage this hurricane causes in Canada. --PFHLai (talk) 13:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, you're right, you did. Close this redundant nom. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – A mere factoid. – Sca (talk) 12:46, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. It's hurricane season, so hurricanes are expected. Better suited for DYK — Amakuru (talk) 12:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Weak opposeMaybe this is better suited for DYK as others have suggested. Fiona was in some ways a remarkable storm, but it also (thankfully!) caused surprisingly few fatal casualties for a major hurricane which affected so many different places throughout its lifespan. Vanilla Wizard 💙 17:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support altblurb. The death toll has been steadily rising and it's already about as high as when we'd usually blurb a hurricane. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose. Interesting event but more DYK material. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per Vanilla Wizard. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:34, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- A Canadian record???!!!!! C'mon. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
OpposeSupport per Tenebris England's right, Canadian history's boring, a hurricane that fails MINIMUMDEATHS should beat some Atlantic record before it's showcased. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)- What number, User:InedibleHulk is MINIMUMDEATHS - I can't find that article? We certainly have posted articles about murderers who have less victims - even though that's a frequent occurrence in some countries. Nfitz (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's an unfixed number. I could say twelve and be too high and too low, depends on others. Anyway, hurricanes aren't murders, and by virtue of almost always taking way longer should make Ongoing far more often (today's big storm shares its name with a Moors Murderer, DYK?). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure if hurricanes in ongoing would work in a lot of cases, as forecasts any further out than 3 days into the future can change quite a bit and it'd only make sense in situations where we knew that a hurricane would cause substantial damage to another country not long after causing damage to a first country (no use in making it ongoing if it just drifts off into the ocean and dissipates, right?) But I agree that Fiona would've been more noteworthy if it shattered Atlantic Hurricane records, not just Atlantic Canada records. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Death toll sits at 19 now - with some still missing. Nfitz (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I meant the Atlantic Ocean (thought Atlantic Records). Hurricanes have precisely defined beginnings and ends, little subjectivity required when we see them in the news, and no need to boil the wider path down into a blurb someone will always find lacking (or misfocused or worse). Nineteen is a considerable amount. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Reconsidering my opposition; we posted Hurricane Ida last year when it had fewer confirmed deaths (14 at the time). the toll would soon rise to 40 before its final count was over 100. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure if hurricanes in ongoing would work in a lot of cases, as forecasts any further out than 3 days into the future can change quite a bit and it'd only make sense in situations where we knew that a hurricane would cause substantial damage to another country not long after causing damage to a first country (no use in making it ongoing if it just drifts off into the ocean and dissipates, right?) But I agree that Fiona would've been more noteworthy if it shattered Atlantic Hurricane records, not just Atlantic Canada records. Vanilla Wizard 💙 20:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- I don't want to poison the well, but on my WIP-essay WP:HOWITNWORKS, which was transplanted from IntoThinAir's essay, it was determined that at least 17 deaths would be "enough" for a hurricane to be ITN-significant from a death toll standpoint. Of course, all sorts of factors come into play there. And even so, I want to emphasize there is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- It's an unfixed number. I could say twelve and be too high and too low, depends on others. Anyway, hurricanes aren't murders, and by virtue of almost always taking way longer should make Ongoing far more often (today's big storm shares its name with a Moors Murderer, DYK?). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- What number, User:InedibleHulk is MINIMUMDEATHS - I can't find that article? We certainly have posted articles about murderers who have less victims - even though that's a frequent occurrence in some countries. Nfitz (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Has there ever previously been an Atlantic category 4 hurricane so far north of Bermuda? (Not saying it was category 4 at landfall.) - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 01:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- One of the northernmost category 4 Atlantic hurricanes on record (1851-2022) and also the northernmost on record with such low minimum pressure. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- So there is an Atlantic record as well as the Canadian one, and a significant one. - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- One of the northernmost category 4 Atlantic hurricanes on record (1851-2022) and also the northernmost on record with such low minimum pressure. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 05:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – Article looks good and with over 20 deaths it's clearly at posting levels. The one Canadian death is an interesting aspect to it, but I suppose completely irrelevant ^_^; ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are two Canadian deaths. Personally, I don't blame storms for generator accidents. But Wikipedia has long tended to think them relevant enough, along with falls from ladders while boarding up in advance, car crashes on slippery roads and heart attacks while shoveling snow. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Those are the indirect deaths when they are sometimes broken down into direct and indirect. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Of the two confirmed Canadian deaths, one was washed out to sea when the storm surge hit. There's at least one more still missing. Nfitz (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Those are the indirect deaths when they are sometimes broken down into direct and indirect. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Total deaths are 27 now - 3 in Canada, with the assumption that the missing person was also washed out to sea. Nfitz (talk) 20:02, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Damn the sea! He or she will be missed. Any word yet on how many of that globally growing total are indirect deaths? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are two Canadian deaths. Personally, I don't blame storms for generator accidents. But Wikipedia has long tended to think them relevant enough, along with falls from ladders while boarding up in advance, car crashes on slippery roads and heart attacks while shoveling snow. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Alt blurb Significant enough death toll to be posted. NoahTalk 22:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Pharoah Sanders
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, Stereogum
Credits:
- Nominated by Chevvin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Doc Strange (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Legendary jazz saxophonist who worked with Coltrane in the 60s — Chevvin 15:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support — Unfortunate to hear about his loss and condolences to his family. Article is in good standing. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are several unsourced paragraphs, it needs a lot of work. Masem (t) 04:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there is a large amount of unreferenced text and a potential copyvio issue. This all needs fixing before going on the main page. Vladimir.copic (talk) 23:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022 AFL Grand Final
Blurb: In Australian rules football, the Geelong Cats win the AFL Grand Final, defeating the Sydney Swans. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Australian rules football, Geelong defeat the Sydney Swans to win the AFL Grand Final.
Alternative blurb II: In Australian rules football, the AFL Grand Final concludes with Geelong (Jock McHale Medal winner pictured) defeating the Sydney Swans.
News source(s): [23] [24]
Credits:
- Nominated by EchidnaLives (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Just happened, so article needs updating under Match Summary and Norm Smith Medal. First nomination so please let me know if I've done something wrong. -- EchidnaLives 07:38, 2022 September 24 (UTC)
- Weak Support - Article seems fine but the topic would be unfamiliar to many people. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Confused. 😕 Since it states in the nomination that "The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post" what is the relevance of it being unfamiliar to many people? Or is the sentence in the nomination incorrect? --Gaois (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- I totally agree with you. But its lack of popularity which makes me not fully support ITN. Prodrummer619 (talk)(@ when responding) 19:09, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Confused. 😕 Since it states in the nomination that "The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post" what is the relevance of it being unfamiliar to many people? Or is the sentence in the nomination incorrect? --Gaois (talk) 15:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items <- It is in the recurring items Haris920 (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:NOTPROMOTION which states "Wikipedia is not ... a vehicle for ... advertising and showcasing". The nominated article has a large Toyota brand logo at the top. The article does not otherwise mention this car company and so this seems to be gratuitous advertising. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Article has a medium sized Toyota logo at the top, which is part of the 2022 AFL Grand Final logo. I don't see how this is any worse than the countless American stadiums that have a brand name as their article name. If you really want, a sentence on the Toyota sponsorship could be added to the article, even though that would make the article more promotional than it currently is. I don't think that should preclude this being posted to ITN. Steelkamp (talk) 17:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- We cannot do anything about official logos for events that include logos of other companies. That should be completely obvious of what we can't change from a non-free image. Masem (t) 17:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, we can do something about it. We can refuse to give such intrusive advertising a free plug on our main page. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- No we can't. Period. Is it advertising? Yes. Is it blatant advertising? No, it is a de minimus element of the logo. If we had a standalone logo of Toyota at the same size, with all other problems with that given (no mention in the body, etc.), that would be a problem. Masem (t) 17:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- What exactly is intrusive about it? It's part of the darn logo! DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- It is designed to stand out and catch the eye. It was the first thing I noticed when I clicked through to the article. It distracts from the actual sport and makes me think of Toyota cars instead. This is the entire point of such logo placement – see brand awareness. The fact that such spam is all over some sports now doesn't mean that we have to facilitate and highlight it. We could, for example, just remove the logo. Or not post the item. So far as ITN is concerned, my position is unchanged. This article violates a major policy and should not be featured here. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Go get it deleted. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- It is designed to stand out and catch the eye. It was the first thing I noticed when I clicked through to the article. It distracts from the actual sport and makes me think of Toyota cars instead. This is the entire point of such logo placement – see brand awareness. The fact that such spam is all over some sports now doesn't mean that we have to facilitate and highlight it. We could, for example, just remove the logo. Or not post the item. So far as ITN is concerned, my position is unchanged. This article violates a major policy and should not be featured here. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, we can do something about it. We can refuse to give such intrusive advertising a free plug on our main page. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- It seems that's the literal official name of the season per the official website: the 2022 Toyota AFL Premiership season. It's actually in the official logo for the event itself because Toyota has naming rights. There seems to be no real way for the article to include the actual logo for the event without the massive Toyota brand. The article isn't being more gratuitous advertising than any other sports events article, though it may serve well enough to what, say, the 2018 NHL Winter Classic did? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:15, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- This seems like a massive dose of WP:RGW. What portion of professional sports isn't sponsored nowadays? Sorry, but this isn't sufficient enough of an argument to merit overturning the WP:ITNR process. There are worthy exceptions, but this is absolutely not one of them. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Is this any better? The photograph of the stadium is more prominent. --Gaois (talk) 23:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Said "large Toyota logo" is only one part of the competition logo. I've gone ahead and restored it, as plenty of other sporting competitions have similar logos used in their infoboxes without issue. SounderBruce 01:58, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Meh I almost objected to the blatant mistitling, despite Toyota owning the naming right fair and square, but it's apparently been cheated like that here since 2007 and it hasn't stopped the routine series of postings yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- The article is titled the way it is due to Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. Steelkamp (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- So are a lot of things. The lead usually spells out the real (official) name at least once in most. But again, meh! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- The article is titled the way it is due to Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. Steelkamp (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Other than the nominator-acknowledged needed updates for the match itself and about the medal, the article also has four unreferenced paragraphs in "Background" and almost everything under "Ceremonies and entertainment" and "Media coverage" is also unreferenced. In my opinion, these are the actual, salient points that will prevent a feature. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)- The article is 100% clear without the Toyota ad, so I have removed it. HiLo48 (talk) 03:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Alternative blurb II. There is a photograph. I have tried to fix the unreferenced sections. I also adjusted the appearance of the multinational automotive manufacturer headquartered in a part of Aichi Prefecture which I won't name so that readers won't notice it first. --Gaois (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support There are now references galore. As an ITN/R item, significance is already established. The pearl-clutching about the sponsor's logo was over-the-top, but the offending image has now been removed. Chrisclear (talk) 01:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality grounds per Andrew Davidson. It has also recently been established that significance or INTR items can be challenged. BilledMammal (talk) 03:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Confused again. 😕 When and where has that been established? Gaois (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- No, that's comparing apples and oranges. See the comments below. Black Kite (talk) 14:59, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- On the quality, would this make it better? The logo was later restored, though it seems unfortunate that a dispute over a logo being inside or outside an infobox would prevent it being posted (if that is the case). --Gaois (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, or the use of this logo. BilledMammal (talk) 10:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- On the significance, it is the sport's top game. The events surrounding the game have been getting English-language media coverage in both hemispheres. Some examples of Northern Hemisphere media coverage in recent days and weeks include: this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this. --Gaois (talk) 04:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Those all seem to be Irish media so calling them the "Northern Hemisphere" is a stretch. I did a search in the BBC's sports and news websites and found nothing. The BBC provides pretty wide coverage of the world, such as the Canadian hurricane above, but they clearly regard this as insignificant. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, that's simply not true. The discussion about the rocket launch was a discussion about a class of ITN/R candidates, where the argument was that it was too broad. This item is specifically cited at ITN/R. If you want to remove it, start a discussion. Black Kite (talk) 11:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- You clearly do not understand what the issue was that prompted that item not being posted. Reread the discussion as well as that on WT:ITN regarding updating the ITNR category for failed launches. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- The issue was the people disputed the significance. The same can be done here, although my objection is on the grounds of quality. BilledMammal (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- There are no quality issues with this article. You can argue about the logo (and I'm not unsympathetic to that view), but that's not per se a quality issue. Black Kite (talk) 15:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- The issue was the people disputed the significance. The same can be done here, although my objection is on the grounds of quality. BilledMammal (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support - if being sponsored can remove a sport's ITNR significance, then every single sport currently listed should be cut and ITN will need to focus on political developments only. Anarchyte (talk) 10:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support (though I'd like to see a source for the International broadcasting - everything else is fine). The two opposes above are invalid as far as I can see. Black Kite (talk) 11:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just added references for international broadcasting. echidnaLives (talk) 13:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Marked as Ready. Black Kite (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Just added references for international broadcasting. echidnaLives (talk) 13:02, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support seems good to go. For people like Andrew Davidson making odd claims over the use of logos etc, I suggest they are either ignored or perhaps even banned from such discussions. Wikipedia has a huge wealth of resources to enable such individuals to actively learn how fair use images etc are utilised. Perhaps Andrew is unaware of the fact that the logo would not appear on the main page, for example. A failure of comprehension, and WP:CIR. If, after all that, these individuals persist in discussions with their own personal opinions on the use of such logos, and without demonstrating they have understood the processes and procedures around such images, they should be removed from the project post-haste for deliberate and targeting disruption. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- This incredibly harsh on that particular user. We should be encouraging people to voice their concerns and opinions on such matters even when they risk being wrong. We should not ever be criticising comments made in good faith, even if you happen to disagree. Such a heavy handed approach is in bad taste and would do much more harm than good and I think such comments needlessly escalate tensions. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- I understand the potentially heavy handed approach of the above user, but from past experience, Andrew has been vehemently opposed to sports stories making ITNR in general; I fear this may simply have been a "legitimate" justification for opposition this time. The Kip (talk) 06:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- This incredibly harsh on that particular user. We should be encouraging people to voice their concerns and opinions on such matters even when they risk being wrong. We should not ever be criticising comments made in good faith, even if you happen to disagree. Such a heavy handed approach is in bad taste and would do much more harm than good and I think such comments needlessly escalate tensions. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support. My above concerns have been addressed. I do not see the issue with the logo as it is the official logo of this year's event and these articles are expected to use it. This specific event is ITN/R. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 18:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Great article. Great game. One for the ages. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/IsaacSmithNSM.jpg/220px-IsaacSmithNSM.jpg)
- Logo comment Regarding corporate logos, the non-free use rationale for this and others says:
If someone wants to challenge that this is excessive, perhaps a broader forum like WP:VP would be better suited.—Bagumba (talk) 05:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey.
- The current posted picture (right) is not the one in the nomination. Notice that the AFL logo in this is separate and doesn't contain the Toyota logo. Instead, there's a separate logo for Ford. Is that because it's a dated picture or what? Just curious as to which car company we are advertising now and why. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ford Motor Company, because America’s favourite pick-up truck is coming to Australia. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ford sponsor the club Smith plays for. – Teratix ₵ 14:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- The picture was taken on Grand Final Day. Note how he is wearing his premiership and Norm Smith Medals. Before he gave the Norm Smith to a cow.We should get WMF to sponsor the Grand Final. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- This is why we consider "de minimus" in images. A logo like that Ford logo while very visible, or the Toyota one in the original race logo, are not the part of the image that you are to focus on, and as such, they are very much fine in free images and do not impact non-free nor the promotional aspect. Heck, if you start going down the other direction, that means we shouldn't mention FIFA at all about World Cup, as they are a brand they want to promote heavily, for example. Masem (t) 03:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- The picture was taken on Grand Final Day. Note how he is wearing his premiership and Norm Smith Medals. Before he gave the Norm Smith to a cow.We should get WMF to sponsor the Grand Final. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Exactly. Smith is wearing the AFL logo, not the AFL Grand Final Series logo. He also sports the logos of the Geelong Football Club sponsors: Ford, GMHBA and Cotton On. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Cotton On is on every AFL uniform. But yes. Trademarked products are functional commercials. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Exactly. Smith is wearing the AFL logo, not the AFL Grand Final Series logo. He also sports the logos of the Geelong Football Club sponsors: Ford, GMHBA and Cotton On. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
September 23
September 23, 2022
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RD: Irwin Glusker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Created by MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 23 September Thriley (talk) 22:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment Needs slight expansion from current length (1301 characters). Joofjoof (talk) 05:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bill Fulcher
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AJC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
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– Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Sufficent breadth and sourcing. Table supported by earlier prose.—Bagumba (talk) 12:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. Table now has footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Louise Fletcher
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Best known as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Typical problems associated with actor articles on sourcing. Masem (t) 01:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Per nom. A couple of citations needed in main article and filmography must be sourced too, but article is strong otherwise. SitcomyFan (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Near Support I think the reckless driving part needs a resolution. Clearly, she didn't serve much time, if any. But something happened. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Unreliable sources say she cut a deal and did no time. Which if true, may not be covered by media. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support when updated a little more - yet another influential person of note that impacted my very being has passed. :( (Also to the above: At least she isn't Broderick...) --SinoDevonian (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- She sure isn't Matthew Broderick or Betty Broderick. Their cases end, for better or worse. Broderick Washington Jr., way closer deal, who knows if they're innocent? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- A reminder that that article needs a LOT of sourcing work to get it up to par for posting. --Masem (t) 18:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Good enough for an RD. GreatCaesarsGhost 22:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- The Filmography and Accolade tables still have a number of unreferenced items. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: done – tables all cited now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. Marking ready. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
RD: Hilary Mantel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, AP, NYT, SMH, ToI
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Modest Genius (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: British author, twice winner of the Booker Prize. Died on Thursday but was announced on Friday. Most of the article is in decent shape, but the early career needs more references, and some of the awards are not cited. I'm adding some {{cn}}s. Modest Genius talk 11:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Absolutely support this. Martin Petherbridge (talk) 19:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Article is looking pretty good so far. This nom has me feeling rather glum, as only last week I got into reading my first novel by her...--SinoDevonian (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support A few citations needed but overall article looks good. SitcomyFan (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The article is in general in a good shape, better than many other RD noms. But there are still a few tags about lacking sources that need to be addressed. Yakikaki (talk) 12:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 15:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Summary of what is required: A citation is needed for the following (perhaps someone who has read the books will be able to find them):
- Career section
- Fludd (at the end of the first paragraph)
- A Place of Greater Safety (third paragraph)
- A Change of Climate (fourth paragraph)
- An Experiment in Love (fifth paragraph)
- The Giant, O'Brien (sixth paragraph)
- Beyond Black (the sentence at the end of the seventh paragraph of the career section refers to details from this book)
- The two citations needed in the "Early life" section are possibly less urgent (taking her stepfather's surname, working in a geriatric hospital and department store). Those sentences could be hidden or removed if they cannot be verified.
- The "Views" and "Personal life and death" sections are cited. --Gaois (talk) 00:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sources are also missing for a number of bullet-points under "List of works" and
"Awards and honours"(Footnotes are in place now. --PFHLai (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)). Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 03:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, An obituary published in The Dominion Post (New Zealand) says “her parents Henry, a clerk, and Margaret were English-born from Irish stock; she had two younger brothers. When she was 7, her mother’s lover, Jack Mantel, moved in with the family. He shared a bedroom with her mother while her father moved to another room. Four years later the family, except for her father, moved to Cheshire to escape the local gossip. She never saw her father again and took Mantel as her surname.” From “The Times” but I don’t know the date; probably republished in the Washington Post. The obit also mentions that after graduating (1973) she “worked as a social worker in a geriatric hospital, and also a a dress seller in a department store” . PS: surely the article is good enough to go to “Recent Deaths” now! Hugo999 (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Close but not quite ready; items in the list of works either need a citation or an ISBN. SpencerT•C 18:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- "Well all the references to books quoted as "needing a citation" already have an article on the book in question with thedir own citations, so why do they need another citation? And all the books are listed as by her in latr books (eg Bring up the Bodies boHugo999 (talk) 01:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not use another Wikipedia article as reference. --PFHLai (talk) 03:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Per the WP:CIRCULAR policy:
—Bagumba (talk) 07:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources since Wikipedia is considered as a user-generated source...Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly.
{{Closed} Referenda in Ukraine (Updated)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Russian-backed authorities hold sham referendums in four Ukrainian oblasts on accession to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Russian-backed authorities hold sham referendums, widely condemned as illegitimate, in four Ukrainian oblasts on accession to Russia.
Alternative blurb II: Four Ukrainian oblasts vote in favor of joining Russia in sham referendums widely condemned as illegitimate by the international community.
News source(s): The BBC, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by EditMaker Me (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Oppose - Procedurally, these are sub-national polls, which we don't generally cover. Additionally, the results aren't in. But more than that, these are fake polls being used by the occupying Russian forces to give a false legitimacy to their occupation. In that sense, they are a weapon of war, and the war is already in Ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Fake polls yes, but they're still significant - countries usually don't formally annex other countries' lands anymore. EditMaker Me (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. I think this becomes significant enough for a blurb only if/when Russia actually annexes the territories. I suspect that will happen next week, as these are clearly being rushed in response to the Ukrainian offensive and are not free or fair referenda. Modest Genius talk 11:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- I recommend renominating in ~eight days. Article already looks very impressive tho, nice work so far!! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, we normally post the result of democratic processes (even though this applies in name only here), not the process as such. The result is likely to be the annexation of these territorries, which will then be the story to post. Sandstein 11:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until we have results to post. News is covering this, but the proper time to post this in ITN is when we have results to discuss. --Jayron32 12:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Genevieve, Sandstein. NYT terms this chapter in political theater "staged voting." – Sca (talk) 12:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- PS: Is the preferred plural not referenda ? – Sca (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- You do realize that legitimately free votes are not the only newsworthy things to happen. If Russia formally and forcibly annexes these territories, that will be something that people notice and care about. We can bitch all we want about the referenda being rigged, but that means fuckall with regard to the significance of them. Lots of things which are immoral, unethical, illegitimate, or just plain evil are still important. --Jayron32 14:25, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Jay: If RU annexes, yes. Perhaps you view that as a foregone conclusion, but it hasn't happened yet. -- Sca (talk) 15:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- You do realize that legitimately free votes are not the only newsworthy things to happen. If Russia formally and forcibly annexes these territories, that will be something that people notice and care about. We can bitch all we want about the referenda being rigged, but that means fuckall with regard to the significance of them. Lots of things which are immoral, unethical, illegitimate, or just plain evil are still important. --Jayron32 14:25, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Wait until territories are annexed, and even then, I'm not so sure this should be posted unless these "Russian territories" are recognized as such by the United Nations.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Russia doesn't physically control all the territory in question. This is an ongoing situation which is covered by the existing ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose We already have Ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine in the news. We don't need a second entry. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:55, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait For Results, if there's a positive result, and Russia does indeed proceed to annex the territories, that will indeed then be a blurb-worthy development imo. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 13:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- 4iamking There is very little doubt about what the result will be; the surprise would be if it was a "no" vote in their own rigged referendum. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- That may be, but until it happens, coming to any conclusions would be WP:SPECULATION. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 15:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- 4iamking There is very little doubt about what the result will be; the surprise would be if it was a "no" vote in their own rigged referendum. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, per king. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support once the results come in. Accelerate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.44.170.26 (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support, but in the right context. Very few if any non-Russian media outlets are saying these votes are anything other than "so called" or fake. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose because a) it's already in ongoing and is not any more significant of a development than the capture of Mariupol or the recent Kharkiv offensive, and b) because it would be very difficult for Wikipedia to post a blurb that is neutral, because simply stating the result of the referendum without comment would be biased heavily in favour of Russia, who is using this referendum as a form of propaganda, and presenting the results without comment would legitimize it; while stating that the referendum is ignoring all democratic norms in the blurb would present a much more accurate picture, but that would be biased in favour of the Western/Ukrainian standpoint, even if they're correct. The easiest move is to avoid all the blurb neutrality arguments by not posting the referendum at all, hence my vote. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:32, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose As this is already covered by ongoing, and Wikipedia ought not to allow itself to be used, even indirectly, for Kremlin propaganda. If there was any hint of legitimacy to these referendums, I might consider an exception and support. But this is just a farce. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until results are out. Sham of course, but potential risk of incorporation into Russia, as it was done with Crimea, is there. Brandmeistertalk 17:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait for results, as the importance will be based on how these turn out. --Masem (t) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- This user predicts the results will favor annexation by Россия. -- Sca (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Masem: Just so that I'm clear, do you believe that these referenda are legitimate in the same manner as a free and fair election? 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter if they are legitimate or "forced", they should be treated as referendum elections as we would any other country in the world. Otherwise, we're imposing a POV on ITN. Masem (t) 00:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- We didn't cover the 2020 Puerto Rican status referendum. BD2412 T 00:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Puerto Rico was and would still have been part of the United States both before and after the vote, even if it was honored by the US Congress. This is a situation that involves potential territorial change. I certainly don't have any reason to believe these referendums are legitimate, but if they are handled like Crimea than it is certainly something worth watching. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- We didn't cover the 2017 Puerto Rican status referendum either, which had Puerto Rico leaving the U.S. entirely as an option. BD2412 T 02:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Puerto Rico was and would still have been part of the United States both before and after the vote, even if it was honored by the US Congress. This is a situation that involves potential territorial change. I certainly don't have any reason to believe these referendums are legitimate, but if they are handled like Crimea than it is certainly something worth watching. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- We didn't cover the 2020 Puerto Rican status referendum. BD2412 T 00:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter if they are legitimate or "forced", they should be treated as referendum elections as we would any other country in the world. Otherwise, we're imposing a POV on ITN. Masem (t) 00:03, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The annexation should be posted when it happens, but any mention of the referenda is problematic, as per NorthernFalcon. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Late-cycle coverage Friday: BBC, Guardian. – Sca (talk) 22:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose already in ongoing. We *really* shouldn't be arbitrary about this. Banedon (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Devil's advocate, but what standalone event would you support involving the war short of it ending then? DarkSide830 (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- The use of a nuclear weapon would probably be blurb worthy, ongoing notwithstanding. Otherwise... -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Devil's advocate, but what standalone event would you support involving the war short of it ending then? DarkSide830 (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait. Sham or not, this is certainly a story. Crimea was a similar situation. Whether or not Russia's annexation is recognized, if their people are there and it's being operated as part of Russia then it is notable. I don't see the point of getting concerned about legitimacy - the linked article will explain that to people. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Crimea was not being covered in "ongoing" at the time. This is. No point in having the war at ongoing if we are going to keep nominating developments for blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Rigged votes don't really change anything of substance. Nothing that isn't already covered by the Ongoing 90.210.230.246 (talk) 10:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, for the results to be released but generally support as this is an important escalation/development. Not really getting the views that this would 'advance Russian propaganda' as the alternative blurb covers that aspect or we shouldn't include because it will be rigged because we featured 2014 Crimean status referendum twice in fact before the referendum of that concluded and then again once the results of that were released. Tweedle (talk) 11:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait until the results are official.
- DinoSoupCanada (talk) 12:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Coverage Saturday includes AP BBC. – Sca (talk) 12:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- As it has every Saturday this year. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Post something when actual annexation occurs. We do post national election and referenda results but this isn't it. These are sham votes conducted by an occupying foreign power, with results pre-determined by Putin, and totally illegal under international law. Posting an ITN item on these "referenda" would give them a perception of legitimacy, which we should not be doing. Nsk92 (talk) 15:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, As the war is ongoing, the results won't change anything. Alex-h (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- your statement "the results won't change anything" is completely reckless. It's clear that the result will be in favor of annexation with Russia. Any attempt by Ukraine to regain its territory will already be considered an attack on the Russian Federation. The invasion will open a new and much more cruel phase. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Or just as cruel as it has been, though newly affecting many more people. It's still not yet known if Ukraine will attempt to regain the territory by invading it and attacking Russian occupants. Call me optimistic, but maybe it'll pursue legal and diplomatic remediation, prompting less death and misery. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- your statement "the results won't change anything" is completely reckless. It's clear that the result will be in favor of annexation with Russia. Any attempt by Ukraine to regain its territory will already be considered an attack on the Russian Federation. The invasion will open a new and much more cruel phase. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Wait I will support if (or realistically, when) Russia announces they're planning to annex 15% of Ukraine's territory. That's a fairly significant escalation. RE: what Nsk92 said, I think we can phrase the blurb in a way that describes the event without implying that these sham referendums have any legal legitimacy. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- If Russia proceeds to annex the territories, the referendums will have de facto legitimacy as they would be the impetus for such action, even if they are unrecognised by most nation states. This should be expected to happen on Thursday, as the annexation bill is expected to be voted on by the Duma then. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 08:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Or Friday, according to some reports. [25] -- Sca (talk) 12:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- If Russia proceeds to annex the territories, the referendums will have de facto legitimacy as they would be the impetus for such action, even if they are unrecognised by most nation states. This should be expected to happen on Thursday, as the annexation bill is expected to be voted on by the Duma then. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 08:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Preliminary results released are in favour of annexation. (P.S I know it's a sham referendum.) Quantum XYZ (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to the validity problems, Russia doesn't have full control over the territory of the regions for which it is holding referenda. This should be also clarified in the blurb. Daß Wölf 15:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Results are in BBC as , expected, falling in favor of being annexed by Russia. --Masem (t) 01:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- I changed that to a favour of joining ("confederating with", "subjecting themselves to" and "entering" are closer to the question, but look ridiculous). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment – Additional coverage: [26] [27] [28] – Sca (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Should this be renominated/bumped up to recent news now that the "referendums" have actually taken place? There's just so many outdated !votes that it'll be hard to tell if/when a consensus forms. Vanilla Wizard 💙 18:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- if you ask me; I think we should wait until Russia Annex's the territories in the coming days and then renominate this; thats more relevant for ITN purposes than the referendums themselves. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 22:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- My old vote still stands and I'm ready when you are. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- if you ask me; I think we should wait until Russia Annex's the territories in the coming days and then renominate this; thats more relevant for ITN purposes than the referendums themselves. ✨ 4 🧚♂am KING 22:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Cherry Valentine
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63006004 , https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/sep/23/cherry-valentine-rupaul-drag-race-uk-dies-drag-performer-george-ward
Credits:
- Nominated by 174.113.161.1 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Max-storey (talk · give credit) and Rwpardey01 (talk · give credit)
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174.113.161.1 (talk) 10:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Tragic news XxLuckyCxX (talk) 11:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Well sourced. RIP Lyinginstate (talk) 11:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)strike sock-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 18:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)- Comment Not quite updated ("In February 2022, Cherry Valentine was to embark on...") and the source for that sentence is primary as well. Black Kite (talk) 18:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Should be fixed now :) XxLuckyCxX (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: 1 more CN to resolve then this should be good to go. SpencerT•C 18:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
September 22
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(Posted) RD: Katharine Lee Reid
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cleveland.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bridget (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2600:1700:6B0:3A30:4512:FCC:81E7:9AEB (talk · give credit)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bridget (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Short and sweet. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tim Hankinson
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Post (Reuters); Major League Soccer; Syracuse University
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ArsenalFan700 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 23:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support Appropriate depth of coverage, fully referenced. Marking ready. SpencerT•C 18:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dave Barrow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star; CTV News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Vaselineeeeeeee (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Long enough with 500+ words of prose. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found where they are expected. Earwig found no troubles. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Donald M. Blinken
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [29], NYT, BBC, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Father of Antony Blinken – Muboshgu (talk) 14:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- This wikibio seems a little stubby with only 319 words of prose. The Career section with merely four sentences (I moved one of the five out into the next section.) seems particularly thin. There should be more to write about this guy, right? What did he do while carrying those listed big titles? Would this be useful in some way? --PFHLai (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- PFHLai, how does one define a "stub"? WP:STUBDEF suggests 1500 characters / 300 words, and this has 1820 characters / 319 words. There's not that much to say about him from my archival searches, but perhaps that source can provide another sentence or two. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, c'mon, Muboshgu. It is technically not a stub but reads and looks like a stub! Do we want nicer things on MainPage or not? Or do we post whatever just happens to pass the minimum standard? This nom still has several days of eligibility remaining. If there are things to enrich this wikibio, please add to it. I just added a sentence to make it 355 words long now. --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Now it's at 2901 characters and 498 words. There's plenty there. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, c'mon, Muboshgu. It is technically not a stub but reads and looks like a stub! Do we want nicer things on MainPage or not? Or do we post whatever just happens to pass the minimum standard? This nom still has several days of eligibility remaining. If there are things to enrich this wikibio, please add to it. I just added a sentence to make it 355 words long now. --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the expansion, Muboshgu. Looking good. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Khmer Rouge Tribunal ends
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Blurb: The Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia pronounces its final judgement on the genocide by the Khmer Rouge, as appeals by Khieu Samphan (pictured) were rejected and sentence of life in prison upheld. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera
- Article on Khmer Rouge Tribunal not yet updated at all. Article on Khieu Samphan updated with a single line. More expansion necessary before this would be appropriate to feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat)
- Oppose – Three days later there's still no update to the article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. We posted his conviction (way back in 2014); an unsuccessful appeal isn't significant enough. Modest Genius talk 11:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics
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Blurb: American mathematician and computer scientist Daniel Spielman is awarded the Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics. (Post)
News source(s): New Scientist Nature, Scientific American
Credits:
- Nominated by Bumbubookworm (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose. These are not ITNR prizes, and they are not sufficiently in the news to warrant a blurb. Sandstein 11:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality alone ITNR is not a requirement for posting anything. Most items we post are not previously approved through ITNR. In fact I can't find a single item currently listed on the ITN box which is on ITNR, nor can I find any rules that say that we cannot post items which are not on ITNR. That being said, the target article is NOT up to the quality we expect on the main page. The bolded article contains very little useful biographical information about the subject beyond their job title, a trite description of their work, and a list of awards. It's merely a CV masquerading as an article, and not even a good CV at that. --Jayron32 12:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
(Closed) Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics
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Blurb: Peter Shor, David Deutsch, Charles H. Bennett and Gilles Brassard are awarded the Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics for their work in quantum computing. (Post)
News source(s): New Scientist Nature, Scientific American
Credits:
- Nominated by Bumbubookworm (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment Might be best to merge this with the above blurb regarding the Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics, just to save some space Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 23:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. These are not ITNR prizes, and they are not sufficiently in the news to warrant a blurb. Sandstein 11:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose though I would not have an issue if we covered all three Breakthrough Awards in one nomination (yes we're not going to name winners), given that while there's no mainstream coverage of these, I'm seeing SciAm and Nature coverage. We may need to do something like "The Breakthrough Awards are named, including in Life Sciences to Demis Hassabis and John Jumper for developing DeepMind." (the one that is leading the reports I'm seeing). --Masem (t) 01:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
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