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*:The subject is not mentioned in the [[Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article at all, so it is not covered there. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
*:The subject is not mentioned in the [[Russian invasion of Ukraine]] article at all, so it is not covered there. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' &ndash; Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact.
*'''Support''' Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact. [[User:Pardy|Pardy]] ([[User talk:Pardy|talk]]) 09:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC).


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September 28

September 28, 2022 (2022-09-28) (Wednesday)

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RD: Coolio

Article: Coolio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, Variety
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Well established and well known QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bill Plante

Article: Bill Plante (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. Worked for CBS News from 1964 - 2016. Thriley (talk) 22:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. However, article is not stable at the moment due to a vandal who continues to blank sections of sourced content, despite repeated warnings not to do so. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Ian

Article: Hurricane Ian (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Florida, United States, after knocking out power to the entirety of Cuba. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Cuba, knocking out power to the entirety of the island.
News source(s): [1][2][3]
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Nominator's comments: Category 4 hurricane hitting Florida today. Mandatory evacuations have already been called for. Cuba has lost all power as a result. Blurb can be updated with damage estimates. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I added an alt blurb because currently, the impacts to Cuba are much more significant that Florida at the present time with the entirety of Cuba losing power. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just making that the blurb for now because it's better than what I wrote. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Elijahandskip. Landfall not expected just yet. Sarrail (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, call it underway, if that makes you feel better. Semantics. But reports indicate the storm's biggest impact on people is likely to be in Florida. That Fla. happens to be in the U.S. is circumstantial, and not a factor in terms of news value. -- Sca (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We don't post weather forecasts. We post what HAS happened. And surely what happens in Cuba matters? HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: Are people in Cuba not people? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Idiotic comment. -- Sca (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Because the blurb would be misinformation saying “makes landfall in Florida”. That is why we are waiting Muboshgu and The ed17. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Elijahandskip: Re-read what I wrote. I was calling for a different, Cuba-focused blurb to be posted. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Damage to Cuba is significant too, and we can say "approaches Florida" if it's posted before it makes landfall and update the hook as it does. Landfall in Florida appears to be imminent at the moment. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hurricanes in the mid Atlantic during the summer-fall months making landfall and doing some damage or forcing evacuations is a routine news item. Its why Fiona wasn't posted. We're looking for the magnitude of damage which likely would be based on how bad Florida is hit. Masem (t) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fiona could still use revisiting, even if it's trending stale. 27 deaths at last check. This is why these hurricane noms getting posted too early is a problem - they get buried before the storm's full impacts are known. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Why not bump them to the top if the death toll is at least 10-20 higher than the last time it was bumped off the top? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
”actually make an informed decision about the notability”…Guess 2 fatalities and an entire nation without power doesn’t make something notable enough for ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DarkSide830: Would like to point out, we have confirmed two fatalities and 11 million without power in Cuba alone. That alone should be enough to post a blurb, that then can be changed in the future (probably tomorrow) with the information about Florida. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't enough with Fiona. 2 is not minimum deaths material and we don't have any tangible number on damages yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A hurricane knocking out power to all of Puerto Rico isn’t uncommon (happened with Hurricane Maria in 2017 for example). But as far as I am aware, it is extremely rare for all of Cuba to be without power. Also, Puerto Rico was 1.2 million without power while Cuba is 11 million. Equivalent to all of a single US state (like Florida) losing power from a hurricane. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If I remember correctly, it was a struggle to get a consensus to post the 2019 South American blackout which left nearly 50 million without power, though we eventually posted it. We don't know enough about the damage to Cuba yet. I don't believe in "WP:MINIMUMDEATHS", but there is a line somewhere, and there's not a chance of a consensus forming when only two casualties are confirmed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Loss of power is an inconvenience (yes, critical infrastructure like hospitals need it, but that exists everywhere) from such a major storm, so its not worth posting on that alone. Masem (t) 18:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: It's not just a loss of power from this storm, it's a loss of power for an entire country. That's unusual and worth posting. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well I do fully disagree with Masem and Vanilla Wizard about wanting to wait to post Hurricane Ian until it becomes more notable. For all intents and purposes, I feel like you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion and I am saying my opinion that I fully disagree with that assessment. Slightly funny. I originally !vote “Wait” for US landfall, get told it is notable enough to post based on Cuba alone, switch !vote to support on an alt blurb about Cuba alone, then get told to wait again for notability (aka US stuff). ITN nominations are always fun… Elijahandskip (talk) 18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion No, that's certainly not my opinion, and I ask you to strike that. I haven't even !voted, I just read the winds and came to the conclusion that nominating this when there are only two confirmed casualties was not the best idea.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not the place to post unusual events like a country losing power. This is why we want something most definitive in terms of impact, like loss of life or scale of destruction. Masem (t) 21:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By that interpretation, even if Hurricane Ian became a category 5 at landfall, it would not be ITN worthy until either the death toll is higher OR NWS does initial damage estimates (after it dissipates). Sounds like ITN needs to have a long RfC to determine what "In The News" means. International coverage and hundreds to thousands of articles covering the hurricane, with a large portion commenting on the complete power loss to Cuba is clearly "In The News", however, from the def you just described, practically no storm could ever make ITN, unless a dozen+ people are killed. I do foresee myself starting an RfC in a few days on this topic. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is about good quality encyclopedia articles that happen to be in the news. We are not a news ticker, regurgitating what are headlines, And since most weather events like hurricanes can really only be judged on quality based on the scale of their impact, that limits every such storm being on the front page. Masem (t) 22:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That may be the principle, however, I personally know many ITN’s that were posted with less than what this article has. Yesterday alone, it got 22,000 views. I am betting nearly 100k or more today. If that truly is the ITN principle, then this RfC in the next coming days will be extremely interesting and possible precedent setting. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you really want to play the “good quality encyclopedia articles” route, then Hurricane Ian 100% passes every possible ITN “good quality” checklist. An article I started, Zamfara kidnapping made ITN. Hurricane Ian as more international coverage, more article views, more bytes in size, more images, and is basically “more” or “better” in every possible way (even more deaths) than that kidnapping article, which made ITN. Stop stalling because you haven’t said a single reason that can’t be pushed back on why Hurricane Ian shouldn’t be posted to ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Also, based on that def, once NWS posts Ian's initial damage total, would that make it ITN (even if it ain't in the news anymore)? "Scale of destruction" cannot be judged during a storm that is ongoing, meaning you are considering only fatalities for ITN worthiness on a storm. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, you know as well as anyone there is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS threshold here. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By tomorrow you will be wondering why we hadn't posted this sooner. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The rationale is similar to what Noah points out below. The landfall in Florida is expected to have as much if not more of an impact, so it makes sense to post when there's actual destruction to talk about. And on the hypothetic, if Ian turned north and later made significant damage in New England or Canada (to add to death toll perhaps) then we can update it if it was posted. But as it is with Ian, the "damage" that we have documented is mostly just the power failure which, in a hurricane, is not remarkable. Masem (t) 02:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it made landfall in Cuba long ago. I hope that's what you're talking about. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the impact is known. Will reconsider if significant fatalities and/or damage occurs.
NoahTalk 22:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So re-nominate in like 2-3 days (after it ain’t a Hurricane anymore)? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is normal, yes. Like any weather event, it'll probably be over by the time we know how devastating it was. That doesn't make it stale. "After it ain't a hurricane anymore" is the perfect time to post a hurricane blurb.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Elijahandskip:It's still a fresh news story for a whole week after it dissipates. People shouldn't nominate here until fatalities have been confirmed. Even then, they shouldn't nominate for low numbers (ie 1,2,3,etc) since that's typical of any tropical storm. The Rambling Man is right that too many storms either get shitty nominations when they aren't really all that impactful to society like what happened with Fiona for the record or have premature nominations when we have no idea what's happening in the affected regions like what's happening here right now. This makes it harder for those actually deserving to be posted. NoahTalk 22:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hilaree Nelson

Article: Hilaree Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Missing September 26; Body found on September 28 बडा काजी (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, Article is fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia

Consensus to post will not develop. Regards SoWhy 06:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 06:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 27

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RD: Sue Mingus

Article: Sue Mingus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; JazzTimes
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (September 27); died on September 24. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD:Joe Bussard

Article: Joe Bussard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable collector of pre-war American roots music. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nord Stream leaks

Article: 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience multiple simultaneous unexplained explosions and leaks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience three unexplained explosions and leaks off the coast of Bornholm.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Multiple underwater leaks spring in the Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Western Europe in what several countries term an apparent act of [state] sabotage.
News source(s): NY Times, Reuters, Guardian, AP, BBC, DW. AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sabotage is widely suspected (the NS1 gas pipeline was, pre-invasion, one of the main routes for gas imports to Europe) by reliable sources, but probably not confirmed enough for a blurb Smurrayinchester 15:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a troll post or are you just childish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neither; are you the long IP who removed it, the short one or both? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Both PM of Sweden and Denmark has held press briefings where they claim it's been an act of sabotage and not an accident. From a Global Politics perspective, this is a major geopolitical event. Swedish PM has spoken to the German Chancellor, Secretary General of NATO, Danish PM and EU commission. Manvswow (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: NS2 never got final approval, and NS1 has been winding down for four months now. This just conforms to the trend, and needs greater significance for a post. 213.233.108.179 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Pipelines not in use get damaged, cause unknown" is not a notable enough item for ITN (Russia had stopped deliveries over NS1 weeks ago and NS2 was never in use). If (and only if) there are any further major developments because of these defects, we can then post those developments. Regards SoWhy 19:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major event with large environmental consequences, all over the news. The Article featured should be 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks which I added in the Alt blurb.✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  21:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Much improved, Your Majesty! If I may implore just one thing more, might ye see that "multiple" be "three"? And yes, I'm being childish here, not trollish and entirely serious about the whole specification request part of this. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. As already noted, neither pipeline is in operation so political/economic impacts are likely off the table as things stand, and environmental impacts do not seem as great as suggested judging by the article. Probably worth waiting a few days to see if any of this changes but as is I don't see this as significant enough to post (save for the fact that this is getting a lot of coverage, but a lot of the buzz is just individuals playing the blame game. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Iffy. – Sca (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Norway's drone alert seems significant too. Reminds me of the time in the Spanish Civil War when mysterious submarines started sinking ships in the Med. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless proven to be an act of sabotage not related to the current war. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – No longer iffy. Very widely covered, with several Baltic-bordering countries, plus the EU, condemning an apparent act of (state) sabotage. Favor Alt2 or something similar. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Suggest we avoid the verb "experience" as anthropomorphic. Inanimate objects don't 'experience' things, only sentient beings do. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not much volume going thru the pipeline even before this incident. So this is just another event in the slow death of the pipeline. Not important enough at this point to be its own ITN item independant from the ongoing Ukraine war item... Tradediatalk 12:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – In Alt2, the word "state" would be optional. – Sca (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • support unique, unusual, interesting, ACTUALLY IN THE NEWS. I'm kinda baffled by the responses of some of the other editors who oppose this on importance grounds (even though its the presence in mainstream news feeds that should be the actual criterion), but who then routinely vote for posting parliamentary elections in Nauru and similar exceedingly important news pieces.
Preceding posted by IP user 5.44.170.26. – Sca (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, who gives a flip what's going on in Nauru! But on a more serious note, what is the exact significance you speak of that you believe is being overlooked? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The pipelines were not used, but the attack does have an economic impact. The expectation was that in the future they would again be used, and that kept the gas price on the futures market in check. Since the attack the price has risen. There is a lack of production capacity for gas, and even if Europe can import all the gas it needs, LNG is way more expensive than gas from Russia was even under normal conditions. Another reason for the rise in the gas price as a result of the attack, is that there is now the possibility that Russia will deal a truly devastating blow to Europe by taking out the gas pipeline from Norway, attack LNG terminals etc. Count Iblis (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When you speak of the rise in the gas price, are you speaking of LNG, or the stuff Americans call gas? HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

September 26, 2022 (2022-09-26) (Monday)

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RD: Mark Souder

Article: Mark Souder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Journal Gazette
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naoero parliamentary election

Article: 2022 Nauruan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nauru elects all 19 members of its parliament (Post)
News source(s): Pina, Naoero Electoral Commission
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It is quite difficult to write a blurb for a country with only 10000 inhabitants and no political parties. Article needs tons of work, nominating to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Reed (American football)

Article: Tom Reed (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News & Observer; North Carolina State University; Miami University
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Cuban Family Code referendum

Article: 2022 Cuban Family Code referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A referendum on legalizing same-sex marriage in Cuba passes. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Cuba legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption following the passage of the Family Code referendum.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A referendum on recognizing same-sex marriages and other family matters in Cuba passes.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Important referendum for the LGBT community in Cuba. I might have to rewrite the blurb. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's also the first Marxist-Leninist or communist state to legalize it. I would say both factors push it to notability. @TenorTwelve: @Vanilla Wizard:. KlayCax (talk) 03:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added an alt-blurb that also links to LGBT rights in Cuba, since pages of this type are typically ran whenever a country adopts same-sex marriage (and the article itself is in good shape from a cursory glance). Anyway, weak support as it's the first Caribbean nation and first authoritarian country to adopt same-sex marriage. However, the Family Code page needs to make its summary beefier and fix some citation needed tags. Mount Patagonia (talk) 23:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there are more than thirty countries that have legalised same sex marriage. Not notable. Stephen 23:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's the first Marxist-Leninist and communist state to recognize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. KlayCax (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The early Soviet Union deregulated such matters – see free love, for example. That was really progressive whereas the Cuban thing seems to be a huge bureaucratic list of regulations about numerous family matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't the Soviet Union do so on accident via a technicality? Lenin (who opposed free love) declared all imperial-era laws null and void, which technically deregulated homosexuality for a short time, and then Stalin cracked down on it and the USSR would remain very hostile to gay civil liberties for the rest of its existence. It was certainly not an example of a Marxist-Leninist state intentionally granting rights to gay couples.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Mount Patagonia stating that it was the first Caribbean nation to legalize it. Barring islands owned by Western powers, the Caribbean has some very poor LGBT rights. This is a remarkable first for the region.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In other news the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow. From my perspective, this has become routine. If Saudi Arabia or Russia legalize it, I might consider supporting a blurb. But otherwise, this has become an endless run of "this or that country legalizes SSM" nominations. If someone wants to propose that legalization of SSM should be added to ITNR, that discussion belongs on the talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cuba is the first communist and Marxist-Leninist state to legalize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. It's not like Italy hypothetically legalizing it. KlayCax (talk) 03:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's not. Wikipedia did the same with Taiwan in 2019. It's entirely in line with previous, established precedent on the issue. I'm perplexed by your claim that this is "political activism". News coverage isn't the same as an endorsement (for or against). KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Stephen, Orientem, Tradedia, etc. Nothing new. Just routine. Same-sex marriages are legal in several countries around the world.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 20:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Kacamata. I don't think we need to blurb every time this happens. If this happened in Saudi Arabia I'd say blurb it. Thriley (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Not voting on this because of how charged the conversation has become, but I think it does not make sense for us to use region as context for posting such a blurb. Yes, Cuba may be the first Caribbean country that has legalized same-sex marriage, but that fact alone does not make this blurb-worthy in the sense that the Caribbean isn't some homogeneous group of nations, and we have no proof that the legalization of same-sex marriage in one Caribbean country will have any effect on similar legislation in another. I think if this nom were to pass it should be in the Marxist-Leninist context, not the regional one. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I expect prose explaining the impact of its passing, justifying its posting to readers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. First in the region, sweeping effects for the country, huge milestone for LGBT rights. Davey2116 (talk) 07:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - elections are typically posted for every country in the world. The result is historic since it is the first Communist country to legalize gay marriage. Shwcz (talk) 13:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – After 38+ hours, consensus appears unlikely to develop. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it's worth, the !votes aren't that close (by my count 14:9 including the nom), but Wikipedia is not a vote and the longer this goes without posting the more stale it'll be. Not stale just yet IMO, I still see people talk about it outside of Wikipedia, but I agree it is slowly but surely getting stale.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Double Asteroid Redirection Test

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Article: Double Asteroid Redirection Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA's DART spacecraft successfully collides with the asteroid Dimorphos (pictured immediately before collision) in a demonstration of asteroid impact avoidance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Double Asteroid Redirection Test deliberately collides a spacecraft with asteroid Dimorphos (pictured) to test asteroid deflection.
News source(s): CNN NYT JPL press release
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Impact of DART spacecraft on asteroid Dimorphos expected to take place in about an hour from time of writing, nominating ahead of time since it is not only ITN/R (arrival of interplanetary spacecraft at destination) but also has received significant press coverage as the first spacecraft to alter the trajectory of an asteroid. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Didymos and Dimorphos are a binary asteroid system. Dimorphos is the "moon" in the system but is still an asteroid in its own right. Polyamorph (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Article: Yusuf al-Qaradawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Qaradawi's website, The National
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Muslim scholar from Egypt, affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Article in good shape, except for 9 "citation needed" tags. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the uncited quotes as both uncited and mostly OR on primary sources, leaving the expand tag. Id say just remove that too, anybody can expand it without the tag. nableezy - 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There still remain a number of cn tags, as well as a few major works lacking ISBN identifiers. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Izhevsk school shooting

Article: Izhevsk school shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A school shooting in Izhevsk, Russia, leaves 18 people dead (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, France24, DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: At least 14 dead and 21 injured. There seems to have been a few in Russia in recent years but I think still comparatively rare compared, say, to the US. So worth a discussion on significance here. The article will need expansion before it is suitable for posting - Dumelow (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 25

September 25, 2022 (2022-09-25) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Meredith Tax

Article: Meredith Tax (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A pioneer of the American women's liberation movement. Thriley (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nikolai Kirtok

Article: Nikolai Kirtok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): всегерои.рф
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jonathan Beaulieu-Richard

Article: Jonathan Beaulieu-Richard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Florio

Article: James Florio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Jersey Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Governor of New Jersey Thriley (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Italian general election

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Giorgia Meloni
Article: 2022 Italian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The centre-right coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The centre-right coalition wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured).
News source(s): Sky News, Reuters, BBC News, AP, DW, CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Comfortable win according to exit polls for Meloni just as opinion polls predicited, results are watched in the whole world as Italy is a major country. BastianMAT (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Obviously notable and article looks fine. According to the centre-right coalition, the coalition is led by the three main party leaders (Meloni, Salvini, and Berlusconi). As such saying that Meloni is the leader of the coalition would appear inaccurate, even if it is likely she will be elected Prime Minister after the election. I would instead rephrase the blurb as: "The Centre-right coalition wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured)." Gust Justice (talk) 21:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article does not "look fine" when the "Results" section only contains empty tables and no prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously I would only post once at least initial results are part of the article. I wouldn't immediately post the blurb right now. Gust Justice (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given that this is ITN/R, there is no need to support on importance, only when the item is ready based on quality. Your initial comment made no mention of waiting for it to be ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per agreement in the centre-right coalition, largest party gets the PM role, and that is Meloni, so she has obviously been crowned the winner by RS but we can use the other blurb too. [6] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Have added an aftermath and exit polls result section now. BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Main opposition, Democratic Party has conceded, Meloni has announced victory and several politicians such as Le Pen and Polish PM have congratulated her. We can of course wait, but it is not likely to change anything. [7] [8] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, and then support Alternative. Wait for the table to have a reliable set of results, of course, but this is fairly conclusive. JackWilfred (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment We need to wait for the dust to settle but note that Melini would be Italy's first female PM. She seems to be in the mould of Britain's first female PM – big on traditional values and handbagging the EU. But coalition politics are messy. Note that we are still blurbing the Swedish election, which was two weeks ago, but they don't seem to have formed a government yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As a Swede that have lived in Italy, there is a clear difference here. The centre-right coalition is an actual coalition with all agreements made, and Meloni already being finalized as the PM candidate as her party is the biggest. Sweden’s right-bloc was an ”informal” coalition with no agreements made except ousting the sitting government, and that is why the negotiations is taking a while. BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nsk92:, 98% of the actual results counted now, lol. [9] [10] BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The results table in the article is still empty. Nsk92 (talk) 10:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I think the article is ready for ITN. Yakme (talk) 10:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: FWIW, German Wiki's ITN blurbs this as follows: "In the parliamentary elections in Italy, the far-right Fratelli d'Italia under its leader Giorgia Meloni emerge[s] as the strongest force." – Sca (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I think now the lead is a bit more on point. Yakme (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now it's in the second graf. Somewhat better, but ideally it should be in the first, the true 'lede' paragraph. -- Sca (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, as the first paragraph should first state why there was a snap election in the first place, then the results. I think at the moment the results are quite clear by reading the first few lines. Yakme (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sca, I followed your latest suggestion, which one is better?12 Davide King (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Found a middle-ground agreement with Davide King which IMO improved the intro. Should now make everyone happy. Yakme (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. The WP:COMMON name of the winning coalition is Centre-right coalition, it's a historical name in Italian politics. It does not matter that it is right-wing, or far-right, that's its name. Yakme (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Semantics, IMO. Let's follow the RS usage. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Small c, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What about: "The coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election"? Yakme (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like a link to coalition. We may as well say the prime minister won the election. I insist you were right the first time. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Aïcha Chenna

Article: Aïcha Chenna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Iconic Moroccan Activist Aicha Chenna Dies at 82
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 gobonobo + c 14:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Oleksii Zhuravko

Article: Oleksii Zhuravko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ukrainska Pravda (in Ukrainian), Euromaiden Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 TJMSmith (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Berlin Marathon

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Eliud Kipchoge about 14.5 km (9.0 mi) into the race
Article: 2022 Berlin Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Berlin Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) wins with a new world record and Tigist Assefa wins with a new course record. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan runner Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) sets a new marathon world record with a time of 2:01:09.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) and Ethiopian Tigist Assefa win the men's and women's races with new world and course records respectively.
News source(s): BBC · CNA · DW · The Guardian · The New York Times · Olympics · Reuters · Runner's World
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: i will be updating the article shortly. any suggestions would be appreciated. note: the berlin marathon is not in itn/r, though i am not sure why. however, i figured that a new world record would be worthy of itn. dying (talk) 10:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC) [updated. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)][reply]

Eliud Kipchoge during the record run
Eliud Kipchoge during the record run
note that there is now an interesting discussion on the talk page about marathons on itn/r. also, i've provided another photo of kipchoge during the race, as this one may be less busy, and therefore perhaps more appropriate on the main page as a small thumbnail. many thanks to Thryduulf who helped crop the original image, which i am now using as the infobox image. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This should probably be posted in terms of the ludicrous breaking of the world record, rather than the event itself. In which case the target article should probably be Eliud Kipchoge. His article appears to be mostly fine apart from the second paragraph of the "2021" section, which is unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    this is a good point. i was unsure of which to bold (or whether to bold both) since the article on kipchoge himself was already pretty good, so i decided to follow the pattern used by recent marathon blurbs, which bolded the race, not the runners. i now see that the 2018 berlin blurb has the runner in bold, but not the marathon. i would support any decision, though if it gets posted without the marathon article in bold, i would also request that the associated article creation credit be removed from my nomination. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I've drafted another altblurb that I think is clearer if we want to post a blurb mentioning both winners. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • World Record Only A lesser concurrent announcement waters it down (and as the record, the runner and the race completely coincide in this recent event, none can rightly stand bolder). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Too many sports news. Tradediatalk 05:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perplexed I remember that among last year's Nobel Prizes in science, one was omitted here but of course, any sports news gets posted. This is getting ridiculous. I had never heard of Australian Rules football before and would have been glad to never hear of it. So why not for these world changing 30 seconds... Varoon2542 (talk) 17:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    i am similarly perplexed. i believe all of the marathon world records have been posted since the start of itn/c: 2007 (disc · diff), 2008 (disc · diff), 2011 (disc · diff), 2013 (disc · diff), 2014 (disc · diff), and 2018 (disc · diff). (also, they were all set in berlin.) i had admittedly assumed that posting marathon world records was a no-brainer. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Dying Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean that it should continue. Are all practices not to be questioned? I was appalled when a Nobel Prize in Science was omitted last year. I had admittedly assumed that posting Nobel Prize winners was a no-brainer. I also assumed that marathon world records that happen very frequently (seven in less than 15 years!) as you yourself demonstrated, was not a significant subject to justify appearing on the main page. It's not a world changing event and it might pain you to learn, but most people who use wikipedia don't give a damn Varoon2542 (talk) 09:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT only World record is notable, course record is not. The Kip (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 - widely covered new world record, but would support the bolded article being Eliud Kipchoge per Black Kite. nableezy - 20:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 as per above. We should be in the business of posting major athletic achievements. I tend to think those are more important than individual sports competitions.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 The more significant of the two, as this marathon isn't under ITNR, but the record in itself is a noteworthy achievement. Curbon7 (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Consensus to post with focus on the world record. Blurb patterned after 2018 record post.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 24

September 24, 2022 (2022-09-24) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports

(Posted) RD: Bill Blaikie

Article: Bill Blaikie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Times Colonist (Canadian Press); CTV News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Fiona results

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Article: Hurricane Fiona (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Fiona hits Canadian soil being the deepest low-pressure system ever to be recorded on the country's soil after causing extensive flooding in Guadalupe, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic" (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Fiona kills at least 27 people across the Caribbean and Canada.
News source(s): [20], [21], [22]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Historic meteorological event affecting multiple different countries

RD: Pharoah Sanders

Article: Pharoah Sanders (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork, Rolling Stone, Stereogum
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary jazz saxophonist who worked with Coltrane in the 60s — Chevvin 15:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 AFL Grand Final

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Article: 2022 AFL Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Australian rules football, the Geelong Cats win the AFL Grand Final, defeating the Sydney Swans. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Australian rules football, Geelong defeat the Sydney Swans to win the AFL Grand Final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Australian rules football, the AFL Grand Final concludes with Geelong (Jock McHale Medal winner pictured) defeating the Sydney Swans.
News source(s): [23] [24]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Just happened, so article needs updating under Match Summary and Norm Smith Medal. First nomination so please let me know if I've done something wrong. -- EchidnaLives 07:38, 2022 September 24 (UTC)

Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items <- It is in the recurring items Haris920 (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WP:NOTPROMOTION which states "Wikipedia is not ... a vehicle for ... advertising and showcasing". The nominated article has a large Toyota brand logo at the top. The article does not otherwise mention this car company and so this seems to be gratuitous advertising. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Article has a medium sized Toyota logo at the top, which is part of the 2022 AFL Grand Final logo. I don't see how this is any worse than the countless American stadiums that have a brand name as their article name. If you really want, a sentence on the Toyota sponsorship could be added to the article, even though that would make the article more promotional than it currently is. I don't think that should preclude this being posted to ITN. Steelkamp (talk) 17:07, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We cannot do anything about official logos for events that include logos of other companies. That should be completely obvious of what we can't change from a non-free image. Masem (t) 17:13, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, we can do something about it. We can refuse to give such intrusive advertising a free plug on our main page. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:25, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No we can't. Period. Is it advertising? Yes. Is it blatant advertising? No, it is a de minimus element of the logo. If we had a standalone logo of Toyota at the same size, with all other problems with that given (no mention in the body, etc.), that would be a problem. Masem (t) 17:30, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What exactly is intrusive about it? It's part of the darn logo! DarkSide830 (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It is designed to stand out and catch the eye. It was the first thing I noticed when I clicked through to the article. It distracts from the actual sport and makes me think of Toyota cars instead. This is the entire point of such logo placement – see brand awareness. The fact that such spam is all over some sports now doesn't mean that we have to facilitate and highlight it. We could, for example, just remove the logo. Or not post the item. So far as ITN is concerned, my position is unchanged. This article violates a major policy and should not be featured here. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Go get it deleted. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems that's the literal official name of the season per the official website: the 2022 Toyota AFL Premiership season. It's actually in the official logo for the event itself because Toyota has naming rights. There seems to be no real way for the article to include the actual logo for the event without the massive Toyota brand. The article isn't being more gratuitous advertising than any other sports events article, though it may serve well enough to what, say, the 2018 NHL Winter Classic did? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 17:15, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This seems like a massive dose of WP:RGW. What portion of professional sports isn't sponsored nowadays? Sorry, but this isn't sufficient enough of an argument to merit overturning the WP:ITNR process. There are worthy exceptions, but this is absolutely not one of them. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this any better? The photograph of the stadium is more prominent. --Gaois (talk) 23:42, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Said "large Toyota logo" is only one part of the competition logo. I've gone ahead and restored it, as plenty of other sporting competitions have similar logos used in their infoboxes without issue. SounderBruce 01:58, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those all seem to be Irish media so calling them the "Northern Hemisphere" is a stretch. I did a search in the BBC's sports and news websites and found nothing. The BBC provides pretty wide coverage of the world, such as the Canadian hurricane above, but they clearly regard this as insignificant. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, that's simply not true. The discussion about the rocket launch was a discussion about a class of ITN/R candidates, where the argument was that it was too broad. This item is specifically cited at ITN/R. If you want to remove it, start a discussion. Black Kite (talk) 11:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly do not understand what the issue was that prompted that item not being posted. Reread the discussion as well as that on WT:ITN regarding updating the ITNR category for failed launches. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The issue was the people disputed the significance. The same can be done here, although my objection is on the grounds of quality. BilledMammal (talk) 15:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are no quality issues with this article. You can argue about the logo (and I'm not unsympathetic to that view), but that's not per se a quality issue. Black Kite (talk) 15:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This incredibly harsh on that particular user. We should be encouraging people to voice their concerns and opinions on such matters even when they risk being wrong. We should not ever be criticising comments made in good faith, even if you happen to disagree. Such a heavy handed approach is in bad taste and would do much more harm than good and I think such comments needlessly escalate tensions. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the potentially heavy handed approach of the above user, but from past experience, Andrew has been vehemently opposed to sports stories making ITNR in general; I fear this may simply have been a "legitimate" justification for opposition this time. The Kip (talk) 06:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
current posted picture. Can you see the Fnord?
  • Logo comment Regarding corporate logos, the non-free use rationale for this and others says:

    The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey.

    If someone wants to challenge that this is excessive, perhaps a broader forum like WP:VP would be better suited.—Bagumba (talk) 05:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The current posted picture (right) is not the one in the nomination. Notice that the AFL logo in this is separate and doesn't contain the Toyota logo. Instead, there's a separate logo for Ford. Is that because it's a dated picture or what? Just curious as to which car company we are advertising now and why. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ford sponsor the club Smith plays for. – Teratix ₵ 14:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The picture was taken on Grand Final Day. Note how he is wearing his premiership and Norm Smith Medals. Before he gave the Norm Smith to a cow.We should get WMF to sponsor the Grand Final. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is why we consider "de minimus" in images. A logo like that Ford logo while very visible, or the Toyota one in the original race logo, are not the part of the image that you are to focus on, and as such, they are very much fine in free images and do not impact non-free nor the promotional aspect. Heck, if you start going down the other direction, that means we shouldn't mention FIFA at all about World Cup, as they are a brand they want to promote heavily, for example. Masem (t) 03:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Smith is wearing the AFL logo, not the AFL Grand Final Series logo. He also sports the logos of the Geelong Football Club sponsors: Ford, GMHBA and Cotton On. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cotton On is on every AFL uniform. But yes. Trademarked products are functional commercials. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 23

September 23, 2022 (2022-09-23) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Irwin Glusker

Article: Irwin Glusker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NY Times obit published 23 September Thriley (talk) 22:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Needs slight expansion from current length (1301 characters). Joofjoof (talk) 05:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Fulcher

Article: Bill Fulcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AJC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Louise Fletcher

Article: Louise Fletcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Best known as Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Typical problems associated with actor articles on sourcing. Masem (t) 01:51, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hilary Mantel

Article: Hilary Mantel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, AP, NYT, SMH, ToI
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British author, twice winner of the Booker Prize. Died on Thursday but was announced on Friday. Most of the article is in decent shape, but the early career needs more references, and some of the awards are not cited. I'm adding some {{cn}}s. Modest Genius talk 11:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Career section
  • Fludd (at the end of the first paragraph)
  • A Place of Greater Safety (third paragraph)
  • A Change of Climate (fourth paragraph)
  • An Experiment in Love (fifth paragraph)
  • The Giant, O'Brien (sixth paragraph)
  • Beyond Black (the sentence at the end of the seventh paragraph of the career section refers to details from this book)
  • The two citations needed in the "Early life" section are possibly less urgent (taking her stepfather's surname, working in a geriatric hospital and department store). Those sentences could be hidden or removed if they cannot be verified.
  • Support, An obituary published in The Dominion Post (New Zealand) says “her parents Henry, a clerk, and Margaret were English-born from Irish stock; she had two younger brothers. When she was 7, her mother’s lover, Jack Mantel, moved in with the family. He shared a bedroom with her mother while her father moved to another room. Four years later the family, except for her father, moved to Cheshire to escape the local gossip. She never saw her father again and took Mantel as her surname.” From “The Times” but I don’t know the date; probably republished in the Washington Post. The obit also mentions that after graduating (1973) she “worked as a social worker in a geriatric hospital, and also a a dress seller in a department store” . PS: surely the article is good enough to go to “Recent Deaths” now! Hugo999 (talk) 22:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close but not quite ready; items in the list of works either need a citation or an ISBN. SpencerT•C 18:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Well all the references to books quoted as "needing a citation" already have an article on the book in question with thedir own citations, so why do they need another citation? And all the books are listed as by her in latr books (eg Bring up the Bodies boHugo999 (talk) 01:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please do not use another Wikipedia article as reference. --PFHLai (talk) 03:52, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Per the WP:CIRCULAR policy:

    Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources since Wikipedia is considered as a user-generated source...Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly.

    —Bagumba (talk) 07:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

{{Closed} Referenda in Ukraine (Updated)

Consensus to post will not form. There was some sentiment that an actual annexation, as opposed to these being only referendums, might merit a post.—Bagumba (talk) 07:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian-backed authorities hold sham referendums in four Ukrainian oblasts on accession to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian-backed authorities hold sham referendums, widely condemned as illegitimate, in four Ukrainian oblasts on accession to Russia.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Four Ukrainian oblasts vote in favor of joining Russia in sham referendums widely condemned as illegitimate by the international community.
News source(s): The BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Article needs updating, but the event is significant enough to be deserving of a blurb. We've already blurbed some events of this war even though it's in the Ongoing section - this is way more significant than any of them. EditMaker Me (talk) 10:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Is the preferred plural not referenda ? – Sca (talk) 12:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait For Results, if there's a positive result, and Russia does indeed proceed to annex the territories, that will indeed then be a blurb-worthy development imo. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  13:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
4iamking There is very little doubt about what the result will be; the surprise would be if it was a "no" vote in their own rigged referendum. 331dot (talk) 15:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That may be, but until it happens, coming to any conclusions would be WP:SPECULATION. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  15:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, per king. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once the results come in. Accelerate! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.44.170.26 (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but in the right context. Very few if any non-Russian media outlets are saying these votes are anything other than "so called" or fake. 331dot (talk) 15:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because a) it's already in ongoing and is not any more significant of a development than the capture of Mariupol or the recent Kharkiv offensive, and b) because it would be very difficult for Wikipedia to post a blurb that is neutral, because simply stating the result of the referendum without comment would be biased heavily in favour of Russia, who is using this referendum as a form of propaganda, and presenting the results without comment would legitimize it; while stating that the referendum is ignoring all democratic norms in the blurb would present a much more accurate picture, but that would be biased in favour of the Western/Ukrainian standpoint, even if they're correct. The easiest move is to avoid all the blurb neutrality arguments by not posting the referendum at all, hence my vote. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:32, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the results are official.
DinoSoupCanada (talk) 12:21, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Cherry Valentine

Article: Cherry Valentine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-63006004 , https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/sep/23/cherry-valentine-rupaul-drag-race-uk-dies-drag-performer-george-ward
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 174.113.161.1 (talk) 10:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should be fixed now :) XxLuckyCxX (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

September 22

September 22, 2022 (2022-09-22) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

(Posted) RD: Katharine Lee Reid

Article: Katharine Lee Reid (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cleveland.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bridget (talk) 03:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tim Hankinson

Article: Tim Hankinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): National Post (Reuters); Major League Soccer; Syracuse University
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dave Barrow

Article: Dave Barrow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Toronto Star; CTV News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Donald M. Blinken

Article: Donald M. Blinken (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [29], NYT, BBC, AP
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Father of Antony Blinken – Muboshgu (talk) 14:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • This wikibio seems a little stubby with only 319 words of prose. The Career section with merely four sentences (I moved one of the five out into the next section.) seems particularly thin. There should be more to write about this guy, right? What did he do while carrying those listed big titles? Would this be useful in some way? --PFHLai (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    PFHLai, how does one define a "stub"? WP:STUBDEF suggests 1500 characters / 300 words, and this has 1820 characters / 319 words. There's not that much to say about him from my archival searches, but perhaps that source can provide another sentence or two. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh, c'mon, Muboshgu. It is technically not a stub but reads and looks like a stub! Do we want nicer things on MainPage or not? Or do we post whatever just happens to pass the minimum standard? This nom still has several days of eligibility remaining. If there are things to enrich this wikibio, please add to it. I just added a sentence to make it 355 words long now. --PFHLai (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Now it's at 2901 characters and 498 words. There's plenty there. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the expansion, Muboshgu. Looking good. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Khmer Rouge Tribunal ends

No consenus to post a failed appeal. Stephen 02:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed image
Articles: Khmer Rouge Tribunal (talk · history · tag) and Khieu Samphan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia pronounces its final judgement on the genocide by the Khmer Rouge, as appeals by Khieu Samphan (pictured) were rejected and sentence of life in prison upheld. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera
 2001:268:C1C1:BD24:31BB:C6B1:1AD7:DCD7 (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics

No consensus to post. Stephen 02:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ American mathematician and computer scientist Daniel Spielman is awarded the Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics. (Post)
News source(s): New Scientist Nature, Scientific American
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I'm prepared to expand the article further. Nature, Scientific American and New Scientist all have this on their front page, so it is a notable prize, even if a relatively new one. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are not ITNR prizes, and they are not sufficiently in the news to warrant a blurb. Sandstein 11:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality alone ITNR is not a requirement for posting anything. Most items we post are not previously approved through ITNR. In fact I can't find a single item currently listed on the ITN box which is on ITNR, nor can I find any rules that say that we cannot post items which are not on ITNR. That being said, the target article is NOT up to the quality we expect on the main page. The bolded article contains very little useful biographical information about the subject beyond their job title, a trite description of their work, and a list of awards. It's merely a CV masquerading as an article, and not even a good CV at that. --Jayron32 12:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Breakthrough Prize in Fundamental Physics

No consensus to post. Stephen 02:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator's comments: I'm prepared to expand the articles further. Nature, Scientific American and New Scientist all have this on their front page, so it is a notable prize, even if a relatively new one. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Might be best to merge this with the above blurb regarding the Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics, just to save some space Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 23:49, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are not ITNR prizes, and they are not sufficiently in the news to warrant a blurb. Sandstein 11:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose though I would not have an issue if we covered all three Breakthrough Awards in one nomination (yes we're not going to name winners), given that while there's no mainstream coverage of these, I'm seeing SciAm and Nature coverage. We may need to do something like "The Breakthrough Awards are named, including in Life Sciences to Demis Hassabis and John Jumper for developing DeepMind." (the one that is leading the reports I'm seeing). --Masem (t) 01:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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