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*'''Support''' per nom. You beat me to it by four minutes...just deleted my own nomination.
*'''Support''' per nom. You beat me to it by four minutes...just deleted my own nomination.
:An international military coalition being formed to act on this growing problem that has been in the news a lot recently, especially with traffic in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal plummeting as a result. Not long, but not really a stub anymore, and well-cited. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
:An international military coalition being formed to act on this growing problem that has been in the news a lot recently, especially with traffic in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal plummeting as a result. Not long, but not really a stub anymore, and well-cited. [[User:JM2023|JM]] ([[User talk:JM2023|talk]]) 02:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom, surprised this wasn't nominated 2 days ago [[User:Iamstillqw3rty|'''<span style="color:#ff6ae4">q</span><span style="color:#dc79e9">w</span><span style="color:#b987ef">3</span><span style="color:#9696f4">r</span><span style="color:#73a4fa">t</span><span style="color:#50b3ff">y</span>''']] 03:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)


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December 21

December 21, 2023 (2023-12-21) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

  • A Stanford Internet Observatory investigation finds more then 3,200 images of suspected child sexual abuse in the AI database LAION, an index used to train AI image-makers such as Stable Diffusion. In response, LAION temporarily removes its datasets. (AP)
  • The International Trade Commission rejects Apple’s appeal to a order blocking the company from using technology underlying the Blood oxygen measurement feature on its smart watches. In response, Apple suspends sales of the products. (AP)

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Operation Prosperity Guardian

Article: Operation Prosperity Guardian (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A U.S-led multinational coalition is formed in response to a series of attacks by the Yemeni Houthi Movement on shipping in the Red Sea. (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express - Fox News - Reuters - The Guardian - CNBC
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Nominator's comments: In response to Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, the U.S various other nations have formed a coalition reminiscent of Operation Ocean Shield. This is an intriguing story that's getting a lot of coverage that will definitely benefit our readers. — Knightoftheswords 02:23, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per nom. You beat me to it by four minutes...just deleted my own nomination.
An international military coalition being formed to act on this growing problem that has been in the news a lot recently, especially with traffic in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal plummeting as a result. Not long, but not really a stub anymore, and well-cited. JM (talk) 02:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, surprised this wasn't nominated 2 days ago qw3rty 03:26, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 20

December 20, 2023 (2023-12-20) (Wednesday)

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RD: Ed Budde

Article: Ed Budde (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
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240D:1A:4B5:2800:99A8:D91A:3913:D72B (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose the article is almost entirely unsourced, with little in-text citations Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, as per Unknown-Tree. Neutral on notability. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:43, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no notability requirement for RDs and recurring items. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

December 19, 2023 (2023-12-19) (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Politics and elections

(Closed) Trump disqualified from ballot in Colorado

There is strong consensus opposing the posting of this article --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A presidential candidate being barred from running in a state is unusual, so I nominate it to be worth of discussion. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment He had absolutely no chance of winning Colorado. Kevinishere15 (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I had one question. Kevinishere15 has answered it above. That makes this not very newsworthy at all. HiLo48 (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely not as there's already an intent to file this to SCOTUS (the CO supreme court already has stayed the order to give time for the appeal to occur), and even there, even if upheld, may be a narrow ruling applied only to the state. --Masem (t) 05:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The US Supreme Court will get the final say on this. Besides, it's highly likely that Colorado's electoral votes will be won by the Democratic presidential nominee. GoodDay (talk) 06:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While the above votes are somewhat factually incorrect (he’s also been DQed from the GOP primary, which he did have a chance of winning), Masem makes the best argument. The Kip 06:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Decision not yet finalized, almost certainly going to SCOTUS. Curbon7 (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close per WP:SNOW --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

December 18

December 18, 2023 (2023-12-18) (Monday)

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Pope Francis allows priests to bless same-sex couples

Article: Fiducia supplicans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pope Francis permits Catholic priests to bless same sex couples. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pope Francis declares permission for Catholic priests to bless same-sex couples.
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated

Sorry, the blurb I wrote is not very good. Official church doctrine has not been changed. Please suggest alternatives. 129.97.193.107 (talk) 02:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per @Ad Orientem but I'd go a little further to say that outside of the Catholic church it doesn't really mean much at all. I mean marriages can't even be blessed and unions aren't even allowed to be blessed at the same time as being conferred. It's an important step for the church but I don't think anything written yet on wiki is adequate enough for ITN. Philipnelson99 (talk) 03:23, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm still an oppose per @Pbritti. Philipnelson99 (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support obviously a significant development, but would like to see expansion before it goes to FP This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per AO, but likewise support on notability. Pretty significant ideological shift in one of the world's largest religions. The Kip 05:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Kip: Article appears to have been improved. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Is a monumental shift in the largest denomination of the largest world religion. Granted that if this directly legalized same-sex marriage, which it does not, that would be a stronger case for blurbing. I still support a blurb. While “Who am I to Judge” was a rhetorical shift, this is a (partial) policy shift which makes it more blurbable. Major denominations/religious organizations legalizing marriage equality are often notable enough for a blurb in my opinion.-TenorTwelve (talk) 05:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but also disagree that this is a monumental shift. If they allowed same-sex marriage it would be blurbable. But just "blessing" gay couples is not major imo. Natg 19 (talk) 05:48, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Natg 19: Article appears to have been expanded. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my oppose. Natg 19 (talk) 02:06, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality yes, it is a very important step, close to the legalisation of same-sex marriage. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless there's a relevant, separate article created as target. The current article is orange tagged, and thus ineligible. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, but the article needs significant improvement --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability. This is major development. This is the largest Christian confession. Never in history of Catholic Church there was such thing, it couldn't have been thought of 10 or 20 years ago. For religious reasons, this is very important. You can have a look what was previously talked on this matter. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I recently read an interesting article about a major schism in Methodism over such issues: The United Methodist Church Comes Apart. It turns out that money is at the root of that and so church politics is much like secular politics. Meanwhile, The Economist suggests that A religious revolution is under way in the Middle East. And it's Christmas once again and that's all over the news, as usual. It all seems very Ongoing... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Which article do you have in mind for Christmas 2023 that gets updated daily? JM (talk) 16:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    …huh? The Kip 21:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revisiting this per the ping, I'm still not persuaded that the new article makes a significant difference. The doctrinal position seems to be much the same as before as the article states plainly that "Fiducia supplicans does not provide for changes with respect to the institution of marriage in the Catholic Church." And I'm not seeing much coverage in the media as compared with other religious issues such as the Methodist schism. The only papers that are talking about Fiducia supplicans seem to be the specialist religious press like The Tablet. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per AO, dedicated article's quality and length surprisingly sufficient. Sufficient significance. JM (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Would support once the article has been expanded and covers the event in great detail/impact. Weak support Article appears to have been improved significantly, however I still feel it could be expanded further. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article is not very good yet. (And the implications are not yet very clear, so it will be hard to quickly improve the article.)
Jahaza (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jahaza: Article has been improved since I last saw it. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the outcome and impact are unclear. As other editors have mentioned, there don't seem to be many, if any, tangible effects. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:22, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: This is a significant event but it's hard to find non-Catholic reporting that accurately describes it. For example, many claim Pope Francis issued it, even though he didn't. As written, it also can cause confusion: are the unions permitted to be blessed (most experts and the Vatican's official statement say no, but some RSs reported it as such). ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support weve already posted small nations, borderline microstates, legalizing same sex marriage, and this is the closest were gonna get in a whie to the biggest church in the world doing te same, and this is how people vote ? baffling. support of course — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kasperquickly (talk • contribs) 09:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Example? From what I see we have been consistently opposing posting these types of news recently since many countries have already done this. Tube·of·Light 10:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure Mauritius legalizing SSM was opposed because it wasn't a first. JM (talk) 12:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, im sorry but im not going to spend the next 30 minutes or so looking it up. I think (THINK), i've seen a list somewhere of all the times we've posted LGBTQ+ legalizations on the ITN. I also think (but not sure) the smallest/more irrelevant nation that we've posted was some island micronation and the logic there was that it was either first on the continent or first muslim nation, but you'd have to double check that
in general it feels like we've posted these sorts of announcements like 10+ times for countries. Catholicism is the largest singular faith in the world i think it deserves being posted, even if it's not legalizing marriage outright (we all know that's not going to happen not in the next 10-20+ years) Kasperquickly (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nor can we forget that the SCOTUS decision Obergefell v. Hodges was posted because "it's America". A mistake. But I agree with you that the legalisation of same-sex marriage is not the same in a Western country as it is in a Muslim or African country and this has to be taken into account here. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It would have been very odd to not blurb the legalization of gay marriage in the US considering how much it was "in the news" even outside of America. JM (talk) 17:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not the person you're replying to but the problem with that argument is that it creates a kind of threatmill where everyone is starting to question "why are we worse than americans" that leads to the ITN being filled with election results from micronations in the pacific ocean that have 20-30 thousand people population tops and are smaller than some of the buildings in Washington D.C. Kasperquickly (talk) 18:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"ITN being filled with election results from micronations in the pacific ocean that have 20-30 thousand people population" - and that's a problem why? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
«If you don't understand why that is a problem maybe you're a part of the said problem?» - unknown Kasperquickly (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is not a news ticker but instead looks to feature quality articles about topics that happen to be in the news, with an aim to avoid the Western and English baises that come from mainstream media. That is why we consider election results from most countries as appropriate news items. Masem (t) 19:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
she was asking you what the problem with that was. I don't really understand you either. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now a separate article that is good enough quality has been created. It's been 23 years since the DDF have done a declaration, and this one is definitely in the news. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - but the article still needs work. I'm reasonably well-versed in this sort of thing, and I am finding the prose in the article heavy-going. Sentences like this need further revision to be clear: "All extramarital sexual relations are considered a sin by the Church and continue to be so, which is why it is asked for the affect that may exist between the two people of the same sex involved." As for the notability - (1) it's not marriage, and I don't think we're likely to see a shift there any time soon (2) but it is a truly huge organisation, with a reach on this topic that is virtually unparalleled (3) and similar moves are afoot elsewhere; last week saw the first officially sanctioned blessing of this kind in the Church of England (which like the RCC has been doing such things unofficially for a long time, but that's another story). So I do think it's appropriate for ITN, but my support is somewhat qualified. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Article now clearly up to quality standards. Massive doctrinal change in a major world religion. We listed the church's new understanding of the death penalty as well. This clearly meets inclusion standards. StardustToStardust (talk) 14:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support - Only one statement of its kind has been made in 23 years. Extensively notable news surrounding the Catholic Church and LGBT topics. ShirtNShoesPls (talk) 16:21, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now that it has its own article and is in good condition. Good work Ad Orientem. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Several of the original opposes were based on the lack of a separate article. We have no such requirement, only that there is a decent and well sourced update on an existing article of good quality. --Masem (t) 19:41, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed. I think it should be added now. This is why we have "in the news" in the first place. The objections have been addressed. I don't have permissions however to do this myself. StardustToStardust (talk) 20:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Requesting a WP: SNOW add and close: As the large majority of objections (such as article quality) no longer apply. Does anyone want to add? StardustToStardust (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think SNOW means what you think it means. What applies here is Wikipedia:NOTAVOTE. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I already changed my opposing vote to a supporting vote and it appears that the article's quality has improved a bit. I pinged the remaining "oppose on quality" users to see their feedback. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2023 Iceland earthquakes and eruption

Proposed image
Article: 2023 Iceland earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After weeks of earthquakes, a volcanic eruption occurs at Sundhnúka near Grindavík, Iceland. (Post)
News source(s): RÚV English, The Guardian, France 24, CNN, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated

JM (talk) 02:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait Leaning support, but let's see what happens and get an idea of the long-term significance first. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Support It's getting a lot of coverage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per AO. The Kip 05:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per AO, I'd like to see what happens first. qw3rty 05:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We've already had weeks of waiting and now it's actually happening and is in the news with live coverage by major media like the BBC. The picture is especially spectacular and, as it seems to be free for us to use, we should do so. If that particular picture doesn't work out, then we can expect many more soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sadly the licensing of the image is currently being questioned. We can't commend the people of Commons just yet for the beautiful picture, though that might still change. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The Commons discussion already indicated that the licensing formalities are being worked out. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As far as I can tell, the situation has been resolved as the Icelandic Meteorological Office has apparently itself clarified on its website that the images are free for use. JM (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once Commons picture situation is worked out. The article has been detailing this event for months and is beautifully detailed and in-depth. The current major, explosive event has a good section in the article. This looks like a very appropriate feature! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, great work to the Commons team for resolving the copyright question so quickly by reaching out to the copyright holders! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very much in the news. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This event is literally why we have ITN. Article is of sufficient quality, and this event is being covered worldwide. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per kcmastrpc --TorsodogTalk 16:10, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Admins willing to post ITN: Support, seems very ready Aaron Liu (talk) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted I acknowledge that the media file is nominated for deletion but the case looks pretty straightforward; the file has a free license. Schwede66 20:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Schwede66 image caption should be Grindavík, not Grindavik. Note the í instead of i. JM (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC) Stephen fixed it JM (talk) 21:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2023 Jishishan earthquake

Significant earthquake in China. Over a hundred dead and significant destruction as a result so i believe this can be posted. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support That is... a lot of people. Very sad. Lukt64 (talk) 00:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support sufficient quality, sufficient sourcing, sufficient length, sufficient significance. JM (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support | We don't do MINDEATHS but this is definitely qualifying This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Article is in good shape and significance is there. S5A-0043Talk 02:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 02:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, quality is good enough and notability is well-established. Marking as ready. The Kip 03:49, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 04:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James McCaffrey

Article: James McCaffrey (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • Support A rather iconic voice actor whose work in the Max Payne franchise is widely known. Kcmastrpc (talk) 22:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready Orange tagged. The filmography is completely unsourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Halliwell

Article: Steve Halliwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

(Closed) 2023 Chilean constitutional referendum

Consensus not to post. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: 2023 Chilean constitutional referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chileans vote to reject a new constitution. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated

JM (talk) 03:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready, missing any update south of the lead section right now. ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 03:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when ready per CE This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article's quality is poor as it fails to explain the matter well and there are incorrect tenses. There was a similar story last year and we didn't post that either. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reading the article leaves me confused on what the goals of the new constitution are and what changes it would have entailed compared to the 1980 constitution. "Contents" being a single line definitely doesn't help. Like above I think it needs expansion before it can be posted. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The referendum was rejected, so I don't see a reason to have this. Elisecars727 (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - we don't post things that don't change the status quo, unless it's ITNR. Or at least, we really shouldn't. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Had the far-right proposal been approved, I'd have supported. --Bedivere (talk) 23:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment just FYI we posted the failure of Australia's constitutional amendment referendum just 2 months ago; this is the failure of an entirely new constitution. JM (talk) 00:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We *really* shouldn't have posted that either, and we only did so because of our western bias. No need to compound the issue by posting this, imo. --RockstoneSend me a message! 01:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say that that posting was caused by western bias. Regardless, your last sentence depends on whether an editor concerned about "western bias" thinks the way to counter it is posting fewer Western articles or posting more non-Western articles. JM (talk) 02:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Chile is a Western country. Rather, it's Anglo-speakers' bias. Bedivere (talk) 02:35, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My comment still applies, just replace "western" with "anglo" JM (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not to derail this any further into WP:FORUM territory, but Latin America's position inside or outside the Western world is controversial and usually depends on the political view of the government. [2] There's no right or wrong answer to this, just like there's no right or wrong answer on whether Poland is an Eastern European or Central European country. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I think this deserves to be posted, but with virtually no detail in the "contents" section it's a long way off. The Kip 05:09, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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December 17

December 17, 2023 (2023-12-17) (Sunday)

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RD: Amp Fiddler

Article: Amp Fiddler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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American funk musician. Brief but sourced. Funcrunch (talk) 05:46, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Short but adequate. The Kip 07:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maureen Flavin Sweeney

Article: Maureen Flavin Sweeney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Independent
Credits:

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Irish postmistress that played an unexpected key role in the D-Day. Article seems in good condition. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:08, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Decent short article, rated C Class, pretty well referenced where it should be. RIP Josey Wales Parley 20:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Short but adequate. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eric Montross

Article: Eric Montross (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nba.com/news/eric-montross-dies-at-52
Credits:

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(Posted) 2023 Serbian parliamentary election

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Article: 2023 Serbian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the parliamentary election, the Serbian Progressive Party (leader Miloš Vučević pictured) regains its parliamentary majority in the National Assembly. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, France 24
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
  • Support article is ready Shadow4dark (talk) 17:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's a pleasure to see articles on elections of such quality as the one proposed here. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost there The first table under political parties is not clearly sourced. It may actually have a source somewhere but it isn't clear. Also the graph showing the opinion polls is not sourced. Otherwise, this looks like a pretty solid article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Otar Iosseliani

Article: Otar Iosseliani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The GuardianBBCBarron's
Credits:

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Georgian film director Otar Iosseliani dies at the age of 89. Known for movies such as Falling Leaves, Pastorale and Favourites of the Moon.Golan1911 (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Golan1911[reply]

December 16

December 16, 2023 (2023-12-16) (Saturday)

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(Posted) RD: Richard Hunt (sculptor)

Article: Richard Hunt (sculptor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT obit
Credits:

Article updated
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African-American sculptor, in 2022 Obama said, "Richard Hunt is one of the greatest artists Chicago has ever produced", article is in great shape. Abductive (reasoning) 23:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Needs more citations to third-party sites and some other cleanup. I'm working on it; could use more help. Funcrunch (talk) 01:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looked sufficient to me before you started to add citations, it is surely fine for RD now. Abductive (reasoning) 04:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting given the amount of citations for a length article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multiple paragraphs that don't end with a reference. Stephen 23:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe most if not all of the sourcing issues have now been resolved. Funcrunch (talk) 04:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Excellent work. It's well past the threshold to post. Abductive (reasoning) 09:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:06, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Colin Burgess (musician)

Article: Colin Burgess (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

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Original drummer of AC/DC. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:D0C2:F7DE:D183:5BE5 (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above JM (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Quite Ready Several CN tags including an entirely unsourced paragraph. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD/blurb: Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah

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Article: Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Emir of Kuwait Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mishal Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (pictured) becomes the Emir of Kuwait after the death of his half-brother, Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, at the age of 86.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Emir of Kuwait Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah dies at the age of 86 and is succeeded by his half-brother, Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (pictured).
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, France 24, The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Head of state for three years, described as maintaining a "balanced" foreign policy and being a "consensus builder" domestically; also served as defence minister during the Gulf War. --Mr. Lechkar (talk) 11:40, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Blurb Altblurb for once; an actual head of state with actual power dies while in office. But death needs to be cited in article. JM (talk) 11:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment on the altblurb; if you're going to make the blurb about the succession and new leader, the picture should be of the new leader, especially since he is the first one referenced in that blurb. JM (talk) 11:55, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    To avoid any further confusion on this issue, I have now removed the image. I hope this solution is more helpful. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 12:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Removing the entire picture certainly solves the problem, since there is no longer anything to even be problematic in that case. JM (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'll support the altblurb, as it's the closest to the one we used when Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah died. The article on Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah needs to be improved: to explain in as much detail as possible his role as defence minister during the Gulf War and his three years as Emir, sub-sections which I think should be separated. On the other hand, the article on the new Emir seems to be in good shape. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose because of a lack of updates. No significant writing on the death/funeral or on the political takeover. What are we featuring here exactly? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:36, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This is still nearly one-line updates on both articles. This doesn't showcase quality writing or emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource. Personally I would suggest a pull. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:28, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb. This is what death blurbs should be for: not someone "famous enough", but a case where the death itself is the impactful event. Also should maybe be ITN/R as a change of head of state? ChaotıċEnby(t · c) 13:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This is an ITN/R (Emir is the position of power in Kuwait) --Masem (t) 15:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The update is absurdly insufficient. —Cryptic 14:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Page has now been updated with reliable sources reporting death.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As Succession, but Nawaf needn't be bolded nor spelled out in full after introducing his brother, whose last names are exactly as long. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, unnecessary JM (talk) 20:07, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support succession blurb' since that's the relevant thing This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added a second altblurb for consideration. I think a blurb for the Al-Sabah dynasty is a given; it's just a matter of how it should be phrased. Kurtis (talk) 01:47, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George McGinnis

Article: George McGinnis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

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240D:1A:4B5:2800:3D3F:2F18:15F5:E4B9 (talk) 10:11, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Autopsy of Matthew Perry

Consensus will not develop to post the autopsy of someone who didn't get a blurb when he died. Stephen 10:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Matthew Perry (talk · history · tag) and Ketamine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The autopsy for Matthew Perry (pictured) finds that ketamine was the main cause of death (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, Euronews, Hindustan Times, Jerusalem Post, NYT, Sydney Morning Herald, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
The autopsy results are all over the news globally. I myself was not familiar with the details of ketamine and so read through the coverage and explainers to find that it is now readily available in the US from hundreds of providers. We have several articles about all this and lots of people are, like me, now consulting them to find out more... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:26, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notabilty. Ketamine has caused many deaths globally; what makes this different? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • If something causes lots of deaths then we should let people know about it. MtPenguinMonster wants to post the subway shunt but that doesn't seem so significant because nobody died. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:MINIMUMDEATHS JM (talk) 09:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on notability - per @MtPenguinMonster. TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 08:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose absolutely no chance this is notable enough for a blurb. JM (talk) 09:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Absolutely not. This is a footnote to a death story in which the death itself didn't get a blurb either. I cannot think why Andrew thinks this is an appropriate nomination. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:24, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and close no way. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Antonio Negri

Article: Antonio Negri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): la Repubblica
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

One of the greatest political philosophers of the 20th century. Will be missed. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 03:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

December 15, 2023 (2023-12-15) (Friday)

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(Closed) RD: Samer Abu Daqqa

Procedural close Article is currently at AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Samer Abu Daqqa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
VR talk 05:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Ready Extremely short article with three of the four sections completely unsourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:49, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Sometimes I wonder why people bother nominate articles like this when they are obviously nowhere even close to sufficient quality. I understand that sometimes people do improve them once nominated... but really? A stub that's 75% uncited? Actually, its a WP:BLP1E which was only created after his death, which is the 1 thing he's notable for. JM (talk) 15:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Keretsky grenade incident

Still a stub. No support. Renominate if story gets more coverage and article is expanded. TarkusABtalk/contrib 21:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Keretsky grenade incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukrainian council detonated grenades in a meeting, injuring 26 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At a village council meeting in Keretsky, Zakarpattia Oblast, Ukraine, a councillor detonates several grenades, injuring 26.
News source(s): [4], [5]
Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now -- mostly on quality Perhaps this is a result of a fresh nomination, but there is no blurb specified and the article is a 2-sentence stub. On notability, the article has some promise but nobody is reported dead and the long-term impact is unclear. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:05, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added a blurb. Hopefully that helps partially. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 04:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on both quality (see above) and notability - haven't seen this in the news at all other than the one BBC article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:22, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. The article is way too short and needs more details.Maxxies (talk) 08:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality per above. S5A-0043Talk 08:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment original blurb is extremely poor, added altblurb JM (talk) 09:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality article is a stub. JM (talk) 09:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I doubt this should even be an article. No-one will remember this in a few weeks. Secretlondon (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Snowclose still a stub. Quality concerns are unlikely to be addressed. No votes of support. JM (talk) 23:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Roger McMurrin

Article: Roger McMurrin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American conductor, musician and pastor. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Beijing train collision

Consensus to promote is not going to develop. Schwede66 03:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2023 Beijing Subway collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two trains collide in Beijing, hospitalising 515 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two trains of Beijing Subway collide, injuring 515 people.
News source(s): https://time.com/6547867/beijing-train-collision-snow-injury-toll/
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Article needs quite a bit of copyediting. —Panamitsu (talk) 10:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the basis of notability, but the article definitely needs improvement. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, article quality needs improvement JM (talk) 11:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm working on rewriting parts on the accident section, though I express no opinions on ITN. S5A-0043Talk 12:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment added ALT blurb as 423 had been released. Unnamelessness (talk) 12:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No-casualty collision. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:13, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Injuries are casualties JM (talk) 17:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Normally a transportation related accident with zero fatalities would get a quick 'no thanks' from me. But the number of injuries is so unusually high that I think this one should get posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose - No casualties listed in the article, little coverage overall, the accident appears to have been non-fatal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are hundreds of casualties listed; also, WP:MINIMUMDEATHS JM (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. No fatalities, and no real indication of longer-term significance. Wintry weather is known to cause accidents, even if 500+ hospitalized (most were out the next day) isn't common. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning support A major collision on one of the world's busiest metro systems is the story in-and-of-itself. Curbon7 (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Major accident for the world's busiest metro system, as well as the unusual amount of injuries stemming from the collision.
TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 08:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not seeing continuing coverage and so WP:NEWSEVENT applies. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There actually is some coverage later on in Chinese press: [7][8]. I still express no opinions though. S5A-0043Talk 23:48, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major incident for this kind of transport. Article looks to be sufficiently improved. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:52, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Andrew and DarkSide830. This appears to have been a rather unfortunate low-speed collision stemming from weather conditions and subsequently resulted in zero fatalities. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In my view a train accident with zero fatalities is not significant enough to post. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No fatalities, and the accident appears to be well understood (simply a weather issue). --Masem (t) 13:56, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I feel like this is "unusual weather causes accident, fortunately no one killed". Valereee (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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December 14

December 14, 2023 (2023-12-14) (Thursday)

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RD: Michael Blakemore

Article: Michael Blakemore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Playbill, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC61:9046:6855:CB3D (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Emmanuelle Debever

Article: Emmanuelle Debever (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240D:1A:4B5:2800:CC61:9046:6855:CB3D (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Amerigo Thodé

Article: Amerigo Thodé (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Caribisch Netwerk
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Crispulop (talk) 12:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Qualified Support Referencing looks pretty decent for a change. However, I am somewhat concerned about the sentence leading the section on his personal life reporting his son was arrested back in 2011. There is no report of a conviction. As he is not the subject of the article that raises a yellow flag in my mind re BLP. Unless he was convicted, I'd suggest removing that line. Otherwise I think the article meets our customary standards for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment – I've removed that offending sentence. Schwede66 03:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 04:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Saad, Nardine (December 18, 2023). "James McCaffrey, 'Rescue Me' star and 'Max Payne' voice actor, dies at 65". Los Angeles Times. Retrieved December 18, 2023.
  2. ^ "Steve Halliwell: Emmerdale's Zak Dingle actor dies aged 77". BBC News. Retrieved 15 December 2023.
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