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*'''Support''' A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to ''pay their customers'' to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this ''did not'' just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.3.157|130.233.3.157]] ([[User talk:130.233.3.157|talk]]) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to ''pay their customers'' to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this ''did not'' just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.3.157|130.233.3.157]] ([[User talk:130.233.3.157|talk]]) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


*'''Support''' Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19, but that should not make a difference to its notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. - Tenebris [[Special:Contributions/66.11.171.90|66.11.171.90]] ([[User talk:66.11.171.90|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris [[Special:Contributions/66.11.171.90|66.11.171.90]] ([[User talk:66.11.171.90|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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==== Prime Minister of Israel ====

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Ramos v. Louisiana

Article: Ramos v. Louisiana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Ramos v. Louisiana, the United States Supreme Court rules 6-3 that criminal convictions require a unanimous decision by the jury. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters), LA Times
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article might need some improvement, but it is a big court case in the US. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose It doesn’t seem earth-shattering to me; it just requires two states to follow what the other 48 are already doing. P-K3 (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, I think the effects on criminal law are significant as it's enshrining a fundamental principle as opposed to merely "yeah, it's the law of the land in almost all of America, except when it isn't." However, given the messy verdict the article needs to be expanded to explain why the justices !voted the way they did. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Having expanded the article, the decision affects all of 2 states (Oregon and Louisiana), and even then, only will cause review of OR's and a portion of Louisiana before 2019 (LA had amended its constitution for unanimous jury convictions now). All other states had cases of unanimous convictions on the books long before this. It is a landmark case in US law, as it is another incorporated Bill of Rights against the states, but its impact is minor relative to the big picture that it is not ITN appropriate as it mostly affirms the status quo. --Masem (t) 00:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Milestone court case that has everlasting effects on the United States' entire criminal justice system. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 00:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem, and not seeing this "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's definitely in the news, its not hard to find coverage, just that its net effect has little change on most of the US , much less the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 01:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose as someone who's personally interested in this, this is nominally a big deal that overturns a precedent from the 1970s, the "two states" thing notwithstanding. Having said that, I'm not sure if this reaches the level for a blurb that is expected of court cases that aren't directly notable due to the persons involved. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support This case is a rare one, because it makes formal changes to criminal cases; but I take the point most states had already moved in this direction. Nonetheless, it prevents states from exercising their own discretion as to proceedings in their own territory, and it prevents a (granted small) amount of venue shopping. Added LA Times source to the nomination.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose hyperlocalised minor amendment. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A key decision in the question of states' rights vs federal rights, which strikes at the heart of constitutional law as it applies to the criminal law system. (It might be difficult to appreciate its scope from within countries which have a stronger federal system of government -- which the U.S. emphatically does not. The best way currently to appreciate the differences is to look at the vast differences in COVID-19 governmental response between states -- inconceivable in most European and N/S American countries -- and to look at how reviled Obama was for centralizing response to swine flu and Ebola a few years earlier. The battle cry of "states' rights" has not tempered much since the U.S. Civil War.) Essentially, this decision tackles the question of the extent to which states have the ability to interpret the U.S. constitution (see Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It is in that sense specifically that the wider ramifications make this decision notable, by changing common practice to federal dictum. Although this does fall within the wider spectrum of Supreme Court cases (after the state courts were given the right to hold jury trials) which have generally determined that Bill of Rights amendments (ie. federal constitutional rights) apply to state trials, very few decisions in this millennium have had comparable weight. (Most of this was ironed out in the 1970s civil rights trials or earlier). Certainly none have had equivalent weight in both the legal sphere and public perception. The right to trial by jury is dear to American hearts. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Some non-US interest I think. Where I'm from (England) 10-2 is sufficient and I wasn't aware of the US situation. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Price of oil is negative

Article: Price of oil (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Price of oil becomes negative in the US. (Post)
News source(s): CNN NYT
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Article updated

Price of oil just became negative in the US. That's a giant abnormality, as instead of a commodity, "black gold" is a liability/toxic asset. CNN NYT. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As with the previous stories on the market turndown, we should wait for a trend. If this lasts for a few days, that might be an issue to post, but a daily blip in a financial market should not be an ITN as proven out from before. --Masem (t) 22:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We tend to judge blurbs here, which means you have to have one first. Most of the ideas I have would be greeted with either "trivial!" or "Coronovirus 'impacts' cover this." GreatCaesarsGhost 22:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, there's blips in markets. The media jumps at those, we are looking at the larger picutre. A sustained negative price would be something. But even with that, I would expect a more narrow focus article on why it got to negative like this (is this an extension of the russia-opec price war earlier? is this COVID related? etc.) --Masem (t) 00:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose this is one specific type of oil (West Texas Intermediate) for a specific futures contract (May delivery in Oklahoma, and today was the last day trading was allowed for this contract). All the other major oil indices are still positive. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Change to Weak Support based on media coverage. Juxlos (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support big deal in business news today, article is decent. Weak because of the one sentence update and because the target it "proseline-y" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, this is far crazier than a big one-day drop in stock indices which we routinely post. Needs expansion though. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to pay their customers to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this did not just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Israel

Article: Prime Minister of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After an unprecedented three elections in one year, Netanyahu and Gantz sign a unity government agreement ending 17 months of stalemate (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis ends with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel finally approved following agreement of Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz ending a seventeen month caretaker government.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After seventeen months, the Likud and Blue and White parties reach a power-sharing agreement between Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz for the Israeli government.
News source(s): JPost NYTimes, Guardian
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 Sir Joseph (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2020 Nova Scotia killings

Consensus yes, posted yes, blurb changes can be discussed on the errors site. --Tone 16:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Nova Scotia killings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 13 are killed in a mass shooting attack in Portapique, Nova Scotia, Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in rural Nova Scotia, Canada.
News source(s): CBC News, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Guardian
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: At least 13 killed in a shooting and arson attack, possibly the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spree: "A merry frolic; especially, a drinking frolic." – Sca (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC

And let's not forget, it's also the name of a German river that flows through Berlin and empties into the Havel (not to be confused with Václav).
– Sca (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Lucien Szpiro

Article: Lucien Szpiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colleague website, colleague tweet
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French mathematician, Fellow of the American Mathematical Society, known for Szpiro's conjecture; more refs to follow — MarkH21talk 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 17

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  • The China Securities Regulatory Commission has approved a transaction in which Switzerland's Credit Suisse will take a majority interest in a China securities firm. Credit Suisse will thus be the first foreign bank to own a majority of such a company since the easing of rules about foreign ownership in 2018. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Abba Kyari

Article: Abba Kyari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian president's chief of staff, COVID-19 death – Ammarpad (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Hunter

Article: Norman Hunter (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable English footballer, COVID-19. Well sourced as I and others rewrote it when he was diagnosed, sadly. Black Kite (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Jane Dee Hull

Article: Jane Dee Hull (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AZCentral
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Almost stale already – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Althea McNish

Article: Althea McNish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Trinidad and Tobago Newsday
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fabric designer Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ulrich Kienzle

Article: Ulrich Kienzle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German TV personality, Near East and Middle East (interviews with Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein), political debates Frontal, analyzed in at least one book. - The article was basically there, only with zero references which I changed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Posted. El_C 07:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Gene Deitch

Article: Gene Deitch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel Prague Morning Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable animator and comics artist, death noted across multiple countries and languages. Not a Covid19 death. Article seems fully sourced already. Fram (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Christophe (singer)

Article: Christophe (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French singer, COVID-related death. Significant lack of sourcing though. Masem (t) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Luis Sepúlveda

Article: Luis Sepúlveda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Chilean writer and journalist. Dies from COVID-19. I'm trying to update his article as it really need it. User:Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) South Korean election

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Article: 2020 South Korean legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the South Korean legislative election, the ruling Democratic Party (leader Lee Hae-chan pictured) and their allies increase their majority in the National Assembly (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Some actual news that isn't coronavirus-related. The results table has been updated but there's no prose reaction yet, or description of the extra steps taken to run the election during a pandemic. Modest Genius talk 13:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos It's unnecessary to say "support per ITNR" as being ITNR means that the merits are not in dispute; only article quality is at issue(and the blurb). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Keiji Fujiwara

Article: Keiji Fujiwara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2] (source in Japanese)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor, most famous for dubbing Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, as well as other Japanese shows including Crayon Shin-chan and Fullmetal Alchemist. Nahnah4 (talk

  • Weak Oppose The article is (gasp!) reasonably well sourced. But it consists mostly of tables. Once you take them out you have very little left. Needs some text. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Long list of "Filmography" but the "Biography" is just a series of bullet points. Nigej (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is very close (surprising given the enormous amount of 'ography), and at 1.5 kB of prose, it's just there. If a Japanese-capable reader could fill in the current disjointed prose with a few more sentences it would pass.130.233.3.31 (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous three. As noted above, articles that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia, we should be presenting mainly prose. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Finkel

Article: Howard Finkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Famer, employed by the company for 45ish years and best known as ring announcer. Obviously needs substantial work, but hopefully can get in good shape in the next few days. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Ranjit Chowdhry

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ranjit Chowdhry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bollywood Hollywood actor 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joe Brown (climber)

Article: Joe Brown (climber) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The British Mountaineering Council
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A couple of minor points unreferenced, but will sort these shortly. Now sorted. Brown was one of the greats of mountain climbing and transformed the sport in the 1950s and early 1960s. Numerous 'firsts' in climbing, and pioneered several pieces of safety equipment. SchroCat (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Lee Konitz

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lee Konitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times, The Independent, Billboard, Metro
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American composer and alto saxophonist --SirEdimon (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Brian Dennehy

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Brian Dennehy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor. Usual lack of sourcing throughout, needs a lot of work to get there. Not COVID related. Masem (t) 17:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Adam Alsing

Article: Adam Alsing (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of Sweden’s best known television presenters. Covid 19 related death. BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Tom Moore (soldier) charity

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 00:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tom Moore (soldier) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ...Tom's 100th Birthday Walk For The NHS has raised millions of pounds to support patients and carers in the COVID-19 pandemic (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Very high profile and a good-news story when we need one. Listing Philafrenzy as an updater, as two versions were started, which I have merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom with regret. It's a great human interest story but there have been a lot of people stepping up during the not so great pestilence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This would be a good DYK candidate, I'm not sure about ITN.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, better for DYK I know "better for DYK" is often seen (rightly) as a sarcastic put-down, but this is genuinely better for DYK and does meet the eligibility requirements AFAICT, so I encourage the nominator to take it there. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While some major news outlets are carrying the story, I'm not seeing its appearance in the context of those outlets (i.e. the section they put it in, the depth and breadth of coverage, etc.) which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary for an ITN post. --Jayron32 18:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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April 14

April 14, 2020 (2020-04-14) (Tuesday)
Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Margit Feldman

Article: Margit Feldman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian-American public speaker, educator, activist, and Holocaust survivor. COVID-related. TJMSmith (talk) 05:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kerstin Meyer

Article: Kerstin Meyer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph and Swedish
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Internationally known Swedish mezzo who sang many world premieres. - Referencing was poor ... - more detail in the sources, but I need a break. I referenced the composer below, - very impressed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Dmitri Smirnov (composer)

Stale, unreferenced, no consensus to post. Stephen 09:16, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Dmitri Smirnov (composer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]; see also sources in [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Composer. Died 9 April, from COVID-19. A notable Wikimedian: User:Dmitrismirnov. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per nom. Sad. As he died 9 April, I am afraid this should be moved to the date, and is probably too late. Can we make an exception for one of us?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately, his death was in the news on 9 April, this is not the case of a death notice postponed by family/etc. It can be posted if it can be brought to quality but we're not about to make exceptions because someone was a Wikipedian (that's terribly nepotism, the last thing ITN should engage in. Signpost or other WMF venues, sure). --Masem (t) 23:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eh. "I'm not absolutely opposed to a little nepotism, as long as you keep it in the family." -John F. Kennedy
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(Posted) RD: Hank Steinbrenner

Article: Hank Steinbrenner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 15:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. Article quality is not great; while referenced, it basically consists of a series of random and contextless quotes by the subject without much narrative flow and leaving huge gaps in his biography. Not really a high-enough quality article for the main page. If the article was expanded and given more narrative structure, I could support this. --Jayron32 16:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Jayron32, I cut some of it, but the thing is... his time as managing partner of the Yankees was spent, publicly at least, being a big mouth. Then he stepped aside and let his quieter brother run the show. I can add more about his business interests in Florida to balance it out, but lots of the stuff about Red Sox Nation is key to his biography. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Cutting wasn't the issue. You don't make this any better by removing anything. I don't mind periodic quotes and paraphrases and the like. The issue wasn't removing those, it was adding more text around them to build up a narrative. --Jayron32 18:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The trouble is, there isn't much text to add around it. His big time in the public eye was 2007-08. Per ESPN today: "While Hank was in his 13th season as a general partner and 11th as co-chair, he did not appear to have much involvement in the team's operations in recent years. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not wowed by the article quality, but I think it meets our customary standards for RD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While I agree that the composition of the article is not optimal, it contains that essentials of the subject's life, establishes the basis of notability, links out to other articles sufficiently and suitably, and everything is referenced. The Controversial statements section I take in the same manner as the ubiquitous Philanthropy & charity sections in articles about living royals; it just comes with the territory.130.233.2.77 (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article meets the RD requirements on length and sourcing.-- P-K3 (talk) 12:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Long article, good sources, but do we need a Controversial Statements, though? Also, good linking and has the basics. TuorEladar (talk) 14:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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