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Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

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How to list a new nomination

For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
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{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | author       = User1
 | nominator    = User2
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• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
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Nominations

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Articles created/expanded on May 16

Free Press (organization)

• ... that with its membership of more than 500,000 activists, Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States?

Created by WilsonComm (talk), Mediaphyte (talk), Banksbr2 (talk), Mcclel71 (talk), and Jaobar (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

•   Free Press (organization) – WilsonComm (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Mediaphyte (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Banksbr2 (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Mcclel71 (give) (tag) – View nom subpage

• It is not 5x expanded. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oh yes it is! Our class began working on this article in April 2011, when it was barely 2,000 bytes. It is now over 20,000! That's 10 times expanded in one month. Can we get some reviews please!?! Jaobar (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Leszek is right, the article hasn't been 5x expanded in the last five days so it isn't eligible. BigDom 20:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Some get angry and revert when newbies "dump" large amounts of information from their sandboxes into a stub, and now our students are out of the running for DYK because they took their time. What a system. Jaobar (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the professor, Jaobar. I've never seriously invoked WP:IAR before, but I think it's appropriate to do so in this case. I have no connection with this article or with any of the people who've worked on it, btw. Is anyone else also willing to IAR? I won't mark it "good to go", since that could be viewed as unilateral and provocative, but if one or two other uninvolved editors agree, I'd say we could reasonably mark it so. Additional comment, please?  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

C'mon, let's welcome some newcomers. We can always bite 'em later.  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

But DYK isn't really about expanded articles; the template even says "from Wikipedia's newest articles". You've still improved the encyclopaedia and surely that is more important than saying you've had a DYK? BigDom 16:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I've not been involved with this article or its creators in any way; I don't even know any of them. I just think it has to be pretty discouraging to a class of college students who'd like to see their work get some attention when they find they missed out because their prof didn't quite know all the rules. It seems to me like a pretty small courtesy to extend to a group of newcomers, so as not to make their experience with Wikipedia a disappointing one. And besides, we really can bite 'em later. If we discourage them now, we'll probably lose them, and thus lose that future opportunity. ;-) Seriously, can we please give these kids this small break?  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

"give these kids this small break?" I don't mind, but the prof did not even credit his kids by listing them as contributors in the DYK nomination. We don't know the exact start date of the expansion. Its hard to assume everyone listed in the edit history is his students and give them all {DYKmake}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, PFHLai, that's kind. I presume his not having done so is just the result of inexperience due to his only having begun participating on Wikipedia in mid January. Those who are very familiar with this process probably don't recognize how very complex it must seem to new users; I've been on WP for quite a while, and I didn't know, myself, that more than one person could be credited for a DYK. Would anyone mind if I asked him and/or his class' mentor back here to clarify?  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind, and I don't see a clear reason to not IAR here. To answer BigDom above, one of the principal motivations mentioned in the ambassador program was the opportunity for an article written by themselves to go live on the main page to be viewed by thousands of readers. That's why it is such a big deal. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed. I do think this is just the kind of situation IAR was put in place for. Based on your having no objection, and on no one else having objected, I did go ahead and re-invite the professor to this thread, and also (in part because I see he's not been online since commenting above) two of the "campus ambassadors" that I see from his talk page have had involvement with his class. I'm not sure of either one of their roles, but perhaps they can clarify for us which of the contributors to the article deserve credit, should an IAR-based approval be allowed by consensus in this case. Thanks again,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I would also say this is a case for IAR, for what it's worth. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Ohio. Let me know if there is any other way I can help. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I really appreciate this discussion, and want to thank those that have called for the IAR move. I can tell you that MSU's involvement in the USPPI this spring semester has already received a lot of attention from the College of Communications as well as the campus newspaper. We have just put out a press release that will hopefully get our team some much deserved recognition. Our 5 DYKs are prominently displayed in the press release, and those students that have been recognized have a lot to be proud of. With this in mind, I would fully support the IAR move, I know that this form of positive feedback will only serve to motivate our students, and will hopefully provide an additional incentive to become Wikipedians. Oh, and I didn't mention the students involved because I didn't realize that I was supposed to. I too am a newbie. The hundreds of articles that our students contributed to can be viewed on our course page. Those involved with the Free Press (organization) article are noted there as well. I'll note their names here for those without the time to check the page: WilsonComm, Mediaphyte, Banksbr2, and Mcclel71. Thanks again! Jaobar (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. We now have four independent users (myself among them) who are willing to WP:IAR in this case, to let this nom go forward, but we still need to make sure the right contributors get credit. I've asked user Neelix, the relevant "mentor" for the group that worked on this article, to accomplish that, since I don't know how to do it myself. Once that's done, I think it'd be fair to say we have consensus here to proceed. Thanks, all.  – OhioStandard (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I think this is the first time I've ever supported an IAR motion, but if there was ever a good reason, this is it. I have given the appropriate credit above, but I cannot mark this nomination as "good to go" because I have been involved in developing the article; an editor who has not edited the article has to be the one to make the official call. Neelix (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

In reviewing the hook above, I do not see justification for employing the words "and most prominent." While the article claims that the organization is the most prominent, the source quoted does not make that claim. Prominence is subjective anyway; it is enough of a hook to state that Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States. Neelix (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I will change the language right now. Jaobar (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Article is tagged as being written like an advertisement. Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Yoninah. OCNative introduced the tag without commenting here, or on the article's talk page, to identify any specific, actionable concern. I've asked him, at article talk, to do so. I've also brought up a few other minor issues there that I'd like to see addressed, myself, before this proceeds.  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

(I am one of the Ambassadors contacted) I agree that this should move forward using IAR after the concerns on the talk page are met. I would ignore the drive-by-tagging if no explanation for the tag is given in the next few days. I will see what I can do to help sort out this article --Guerillero | My Talk 19:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Though I thought the ad tone was self-evident, I guess I was mistaken, as others do not see it, so I have provided the requested explanation for the tag at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Advert tag. OCNative (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick note of thanks to OCNative for pointing out the specific problems he's now very helpfully identified on talk. Based on his having done so, I think the participants should be able to both improve the article considerably and also deal with the issues he rightly identifies, to at least a "good enough to go forward" level, in fairly short order.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm ok with IAR here as to time and the prof should credit his students, BUT the article still has an "advertisement" tag and the refs are poorly formatted. Remaining issue need to get fixed soon as we can't drag this on indefinitely.BarkingMoon (talk) 22:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I formatted the references. The tag is really in place, though, because the article reads like something off the organization's website, as you can see from the lists of the board of directors, campaign names, and an S. Derek Turner bibliography, all sourced to freepress.net. There is one paragraph of criticism at the bottom that is nowhere near as developed as the laundry lists are. Yoninah (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Yoninah that it does not read well, and comes over like an advertisement. This could be remedied by introducing and discussing some incidents over the past eight years where the organisation has disputed or uncovered problem media coverage and it has been reported in an independent source, such as (maybe) NPR or somesuch. The article needs more "history" about what it's done and not who the individual board members are. We are running out of time here so can the nominators get onto it pronto in the next 24-48 hours or so? I agree it'd be nice to see on the mainpage but we have a way to go yet. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your continued work on this issue. I have emailed the students and at least one has said that he will edit the page (though this was over a week ago). I personally don't have the time to make the edits that are being requested in the next few days, though I would be happy to send the students another email. I agree with some of the criticism of the article, though I think saying that it reads like an advertisement goes a bit too far. Anyhow, I will send along another note and we'll see what happens. Sounds like the article just isn't ready, and I can see why. Many thanks again. Jaobar (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20

Elections in Pichilemu

• ... that at least seventeen elections have occurred in the Chilean city of Pichilemu since the country's transition to democracy in 1989?

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 14:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• nom'd 8 days after creation, the limit is 5 days.BarkingMoon (talk) 16:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Actually I created the article on May 22, six days ago. I was going to nominate it the day before yesterday but my connection wasn't fixed until yesterday's night. :| I'd move this nomination to its proper section if it wasn't so freaking large. Diego Grez (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I haven't made a hard count, but prose excluding the lead should be less than 1.5k characters, and that prose doesn't have references. Each of the 17 elections' tables are cited though so that's a plus, but there should be an explanation on how the winners are determined in multiple-seat elections: for example, the municipal elections look like plurality-at-large voting, while I don't get parliamentary elections results, it looked like plurality-at-large but in some cases the 3rd best candidate is seated instead of the runner-up. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:07, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

In the case of the parliamentary elections, the table shows the winners in the complete electoral district (35th of Santa Cruz and Pichilemu). I'll be expanding the article explaining the results in a bit. Diego Grez (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this will be OK for the 5-day rule. You created this in May 22 and steadily increased it on the next days, which also means it'll also fall short of the 5x rule; you can invoke the 5x rule though if you expand that one-paragraph prose. Seeing that prose was added around May 28, you'd have until June 2 to do a 5x expansion on that. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 13:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

@Diego - then why is it in the section for 20 May vice 22 May? BarkingMoon (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Per the additional rules, "Five days old" really means about eight days in Swahili :) ", lets not nit-pick over an odd day or two if the article and hook are good (by my count the article is over 1500) - Basement12 (T.C) 20:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Because this is the English wiki, not the Swahili wiki.BarkingMoon (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm assuming thats a poor joke and not a complete misunderstanding of the spirit of DYK? - Basement12 (T.C) 11:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Tables are not included in the character count. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 06:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm well aware of that thanks. And my count still comes to over 1600. The article needs a few inline citations on the prose but it's not that far away. - Basement12 (T.C) 10:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

My hard count is 1042, and that included the lead. Anything that's on the tables are not included. (I suspected you included those.) –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 12:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Definitely did not include the tables, I'm well aware of the rules, but I get 1619 using two different page checking tools as well. I think you may have missed the prose in the final "Special elections" section (I got 1043 without it). Anyway its unimportant if the other issues aren't fixed - Basement12 (T.C) 15:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It is! Also, it wasn't easy to create these results tables! @BarkingMoon - Probably because I pointed out above I didn't look properly when I nominated it, and I'm too lazy to move it where it should be :P Diego Grez (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I like honest answers! BarkingMoon (talk) 10:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, let's see where this is at. It's a new article (and not an expanded one) as per additional rule D9. With 1619B of readable prose, it's long enough. Two paragraphs under the heading 'Presidential election, 1989' are unreferenced, but this is a DYK requirement, so it needs to be attended to. Everybody in the election tables is wikilinked, resulting in a sea of redlinks. Surely, candidates with as few as 32 votes against their name can't all be notable, can they? That would need to be attended to before I would be happy for the article to be promoted to the homepage. I'd call this a 'work in progress' (i.e. a keen editor unaware of notability requirements before redlinks are created) and additional rule D7 deals with this aspect. So all in all, this shouldn't be too hard to fix. Schwede66 19:26, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

No progress - have left a note on the submitter's talk page. Schwede66 10:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Will June

• ... that Will June, grandfather of a National Football League Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion linebacker, set a United States Bowling Congress record as the oldest player to bowl consecutive 300-games?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: Walter Kuhn--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the need for the middle part ("grandfather ... linebacker"). It distracts from the main subject of the hook. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

That is the part that will get the clickthroughs. Without that part, he is not even notable enough to have a WP article. He would just be a non-notable person who is the subject of a one-time event. Without that no one will even click through and it will have less than 1000 clickthroughs. NFL fans will want to find out who is his grandson and clickthrough with the proposed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

...then why is he notable? I mean, have you seen WP:ONEEVENT or WP:NOTINHERITED...? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The combination of modest event notability and inherited notability. He would not inherit notability as a grandfather without the bowling and the bowling would be a ONEEVENT issue if he did not have notable family. The combination makes him notable. If you want, we can suspend this and go to AFD, but I think it would pass despite modest WP:GNG. I do not think he would truly pass notability independently, but I do believe that being a grandfather makes him slightly more notable in a way that makes him passable. I think this particular grandfather relation makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see ONEEVENT) more notable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Great interest potential for this hook, but it's a bit overstuffed with nouns. And it's almost entirely diversionary blue—aren't all of those links in the article, and if not, why not? But I'll stop complaining about that for a minute. It's over the limit. Can US be used once? His age of 75 ... can't that go in? The "300-game" pipe looks mighty technical. "Perfect game" would attract readers, even if they didn't know its meaning until reading the article. But I'm not sure. Was it two consecutive games? And why does his grandson take up most of the text? Kind of diminishes the focus on his own achievement, which surely is the focus of interest, since there are plenty of grandfathers of NFL pro bowlers, etc, aren't there? In the article, does "June is a 20-year United States Air Force veteran" mean a total of 20 years' service? His d.o.b is not given.

  ALT1... that last November at the age of 75, Will June set a US Bowling Congress record as the oldest player to bowl two consecutive perfect games?

  Oh, now I see the similar comment above. I find the grandson theme weird. Can you mention just one of the grandson's affiliations, not two? Tony (talk) 16:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  • First of all the original hook is not over the limit of 200 characters. Second of all, as you remove the "great interest potential" you surely will shrink the number of clickthroughs, which is the goal of DYKs. Saying both of those things (which fits within 200 characters as originally stated will get NFL fans interested). They will all want to click through to see which NFL guy. Tony, I believe you are from the other side of the world where the NFL is not so big a deal, but here in the states, that hook will grab the attention of American football fans. If you just describe this guy as a guy who had consecutive 300 games you will lose clickthroughs for the same reason the article would fail at AFD without that information. Being the grandfather of a National Football League Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion linebacker is the thing that makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see WP:ONEEVENT) more notable and the only reason why he has modest WP:N. If you cut out the two NFL facts it is far less interesting to the audience of people likely to click through. Keeping them both will get you a ton of NFL fan clickthroughs.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
    • In this case although a ton usually means 2000 lbs, it probably translates to about 2000 clickthroughs from NFL fans wanting to find out which NFL guy we are talking about.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
      • What is the status of this hook? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 19:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• Original hook measures 204 ch. when I paste into Word. Tony (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
  • In my experience the dots and spaces before the text do not count against the 200 characters.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 21

Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce

• ... that the skeleton of the last Bosnian king, Stephen Tomašević of Bosnia, currently lies in the Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce?

Created by TheSilverArrow (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Maybe because length is at 1,497 characters no spaces/1,791 characters with spaces. Hook seems fine. Since the refs are not in English, I need someone to reconfirm the ref. But I found the name Stjepana Tomaševića from Reference No. 4. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Well, I added some stuff to the article and now it has more than 1,500 without spaces, added a reference in English (Reference No. 5.). TheSilverArrow 13:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Query, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

HOOK: "Bosian ... Bosnia", redundant wording, and overlinked. ALT1: ... that the skeleton of the last Bosnian king, Stephen Tomašević, lies in the Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce? Tony (talk) 13:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that the article is long enough, but several paragraphs are unreferenced - this is a DYK requirement that needs to be attended to. Schwede66 10:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

It's hard to find references for all parts this article, but i found some and added them. TheSilverArrow 12:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 22

Perp walk

• ... that reporters waited as long as 15 hours to see Dominique Strauss-Kahn's perp walk?

• ALT1:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son once promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a perp walk on drug charges (later dropped)?
• Reviewed: CSS Missouri ([1])

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

At least in relation to the first suggestion, I have deep BLP style reservations about applying the word perpetrator (even in abbreviated form) to somebody whose case has not even reached the courts. Does innocent until proven guilty not apply to Wiki? Kevin McE (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The term is used so often that I don't think most people make the connection to the full meaning of "perpetrator" anymore. BLP says nothing (yet) about maintaining the presumption of innocence of people accused of crimes, not in the least because it is not a universal practice (yet). Not that it wouldn't be a bad idea to so amend BLP, but in the present circumstance that doesn't apply. Daniel Case (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure BLP would restrict us from calling someone a perpetrator of a crime, when no RS would dare doing so for fear of libel and/or contempt proceedings. Perhaps we could get around it by using a phrase like "so-called perp walk". Kevin McE (talk) 21:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, RSes all over the U.S. use it all the time, including in discussing the one mentioned. Nor, for all the concern expressed over the potentially prejudicial effect on the presumption of innocence, have I found any evidence of any attempt to actually research this. If it's good enough for the New York Times, it's good enough for us. I'll go with putting it in quotes, perhaps, but even that goes against standard usage in the American media. Daniel Case (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

"Perp walk" is surely semantically independent of "perpetrator" at this stage, no? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 01:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Essentially what I was saying in so many words. Daniel Case (talk) 05:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The perp walk term is used in reference to Strauss-Kahn by Reuters, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the New Yorker, MSNBC, Fox News, and CNN. The term was also used in reference to Strauss-Kahn in an Associated Press article that ran in the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, CBS News, ABC News, and NPR. Some of these stories discuss the clash in American vs. French and European reactions to the perp walk, as it is quite common in the U.S. but very rare in France and Europe. I think these stories may explain Daniel and Kevin's reactions to this hook, as Daniel is American and Kevin is British. OCNative (talk) 10:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Obviously a vast difference here between the US and non-US perception of how common this term is: I had never heard of it before reading this hook (and incidentally, I'm more Irish than British, but anyway...). I would still be happier with a one step removed treatment of the term, by putting it in inverted commas or preceding it with so called, but I'll make that a suggestion rather than an objection. Kevin McE (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I was going off your respective user pages. I saw that you had mentioned Irish roots, but everything else looked British. Sorry about my mix-up on that. OCNative (talk) 08:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to accept ALT1 + the first suggestion. Myself being from the United Kingdom, I do not pick up any implication that he is guilty (despite the barely visible etymology of the phrase). Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Deacon, I know you said you'd "be inclined to accept ALT1," but it seems that you are describing the original DSK hook. Could you clarify whether you were referring to the Dominique Strauss-Kahn hook or the Judd Hirsch hook? OCNative (talk) 08:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for being confusing; I have altered my statement for clarity. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 14:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

"perp walk" needs to be less opaque if this is to attract the readers; it just doesn't make enough sense at the moment (especially to non-Americans) if you don't know the term. I have a problem with possible POV ... why should the press not wait 15 hours? What is so bad about that? Tony (talk) 13:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Isn't the idea to get people to click on the link to learn more? I've clicked on quite a few, both here and on the Main Page.
• Fifteen hours is a rather long time to wait for any media event. Perhaps the hook should clarify that they waited 15 hours at the scene, i.e., without going back to their hotels or offices. But, I sort of thought that was implicit. Daniel Case (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• "At the scene", yes, that's looking better. Even "journalists were forced to wait 15 hours at the scene ...". On clicking on links ... I do believe the primary aim is to get visitors to click to the DYK article first, not to be diverted to another to work out what on earth it means. (They will either pass over it, or click to "perp" and never come back. Neither do we want. Get them to the DYK article by somehow explaining "perp"? Don't much like the parentheses, either. I do hope perp walks are always with the agreement of the person charged. There seems to be something perverted about the whole notion. What about this?

  ALT2:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a "perp" walk (a "perpetrator's" walk in public for the media) on drug charges that were later dropped? Tony (talk) 07:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Hmmm ... on revisiting ALT2, I'm not sure I like it. Long and clunky. Tony (talk) 14:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• "They will either pass over it, or click to "perp" and never come back. Neither do we want. Get them to the DYK article by somehow explaining "perp"? Don't much like the parentheses, either." Hmm? I don't understand this. The two terms are not separate; clicking on the boldface will get the reader to the article we want them to read. As for your second comment, well ... just read the article. Daniel Case (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Phnom Bok

• ... that the Phnom Bok hill temple in Cambodia, with rectangular plan is dedicated to the Trimurti (pictured Brahma image a Trimurti) images built in Bakheng style (893-927AD) installed in individual sanctums?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Img pictured is of Brahma one of the Trimurti’s images from the Phnom Bok temple now kept in the Guimet Musuem in Paris.--Nvvchar. 02:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

According to our article, Trimurti is a concept or a belief: the temple contains depictions of the Trimurti. Kevin McE (talk) 06:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The concept is personified in the form of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and worshiped in image form in Hindu temples. One such form in stone carvings is also shown in the Trimurti article. Cambodia, which once followed Hindu religion adopted the same concept in creating temples and enshrining them with Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva images.--Nvvchar. 07:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Precisely: it is the images that are made in a Bakheng style and installed in sanctums, not the deities (whose existence, yet alone location, is something that an encyclopaedia can comment on) Kevin McE (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I get you point. I have now added word "images" to the hook. In case you wish to reword the hook you are welcome. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That's grand: sorry if my initial note was unclear. Kevin McE (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Any reason why the imgae has been deleted?--Nvvchar. 04:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

BarkingMoon inadvertently removed the image in this edit when moving CSS Missouri to the Preps. I have restored it. OCNative (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the summer solstice sunrise occurs over the Cambodian hill of Phnom Bok which is also known for a triple sanctuary, dedicated to the Trimurti? --Rosiestep (talk) 23:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to go now, with either hook.Thelmadatter (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't get ALT1. Summer solstice occurs over millions of square kilometres, doesn't it? Original is OK, but please read WP:MoS on AD and range dashes (893–927 AD). What does (pictured Brahma image a Trimurti) mean? Tony (talk) 07:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Indeed. The article Phnom Bok contains the bizarre phrase: The summer solstice sunrise occurs over Phnom Bok, .... It needs to specify where the viewer must be to see the sun rise over Phnom Bok at summer solstice. Lightmouse (talk) 12:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 23

Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun

• ... that although the Abbasid army wanted to acclaim Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun as Caliph instead of his uncle al-Mu'tasim, he refused?

• Reviewed: 1945 Augustów roundup
• Comment: ALT hook suggestions welcome

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 09:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Everything is OK. I think more interesting hook is possible. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• I agree, but I cannot think of a hook that won;t be too convoluted or over 200 chars. Constantine ✍ 18:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

A few suggestions from me:

• ALT1: ... that Arab general Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun was persuaded by his ally Manuel the Armenian to raid Byzantine territory, only for Manuel to defect to the Byzantines?
• ALT2: ... that Arab prince Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun refused to take the throne even though he was the only son of the previous Caliph and had the support of the army?
• ALT3: ... that Arab prince Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun initially refused to take the throne, only to die in prison after being involved in an unsuccessful coup?

— Toдor Boжinov — 18:07, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

How about:

• ALT4: ... that although Prince Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun supported his uncle's ascension to the throne, he imprisoned Abbas and executed his sons after an unsuccessful pro-Abbas coup?--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 18:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• The last one is near what I was thinking of, and it is still a bit too convoluted, plus there was no unsuccessful coup but a conspiracy to make one. Anyhow, for simplicity and "catchiness" I prefer ALT1 and ALT2, with the change of "Arab prince" to "Abbasid prince". Constantine ✍ 19:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Intelligence in Canada

• ... that Canadian intelligence system consists of several agencies that provide different sorts of intelligence?

Created by MauchoEagle (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please note that due to a history merge recently performed, the article comes across as created by SuncountryGuy01 who is indefinitely blocked. mauchoeagle _(c) 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed #Jigme Gyatso (diff) mauchoeagle _(c) 21:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Date, size, hook check out. I AGF the history based on the mergers and moves. But the hook is as dry as the come. The article has more interesting facts, I'd strongly suggest coming up with something more eye catching. How about the ALT below (needs a cite in the article)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  ALT1:... that some of the earliest activities of the Canadian intelligence system involved guarding the Canada-United States border, and to prevent U.S. infringement on Canadian neutrality during the U.S. Civil War

Articles created/expanded on May 24

Carlisle House, Soho, Teresa Cornelys

• ... that there were once two Carlisle Houses in Soho Square, London, one of which was the site of Mrs. Cornelys' sensational entertainments and the other of London's premier arms and riding school?

• ALT1:... that in eighteenth-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House in Soho Square and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another?

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 16:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Teresa Cornelys was just created on May 29 and will change a bit, especially after I get hold of the book on her that I was forced to order online. But these 2 articles belong together, so dual nomination at the last minute for the Carlisle House one. (And I will review an article as soon as I can.) Yngvadottir (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I have now reviewed Trisakti shootings: diff. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units check. As with several articles coming for DYK, it needed checking for units of measure. I've now provided the required conversions to 'feet' and guineas. Lightmouse (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Overlinked, and ALT1 loses track in "another" ... the reader will think "another what? The original is better, with the whole point at the opening. But please unlink "London". ALT2 ... that there were once two Carlisle Houses in Soho Square, London, one of which was the site of Mrs. Cornelys' sensational entertainments, and the other of London's premier arms and riding school? Tony (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it! I'm not sure whether you are saying the articles are overlinked or just the first hook? If the articles . . . I'm not sure how much readers will know about the 18th-century context, such as the fact the King's Theatre still exists but has changed name, and I think it's nice that we have articles on several London streets so that those not familiar with London can look them up if they're so inclined, or if "Haymarket," for instance, doesn't seem like a street name. The only difference I see between the first hook and ALT2 (other than the use of the gizmo for the apostrophe) is that London has been unlinked - and I thought about not linking that but a lot of readers are going to think New York when they see "Soho" and I've been bopped before for not making "obvious" links in DYK hooks. So I think it needs that context. I like the first hook a little better, too, but since we have an article on the fencing and riding school man, I thought that might suck in readers with different interests from me. (I had also considered making a hook about the Catholic chapel/church connection but couldn't see an interesting way to convey it in under 200 words. Both houses were used for Catholic chapels at different times and Mrs Cornelys' notorious establishment made way for St. Patrick's; various authors have remarked on the irony, or justice, of that.) I don't think either hook is unclear with respect to there being 2 Carlisle Houses, but perhaps you're right that people are going to miss the indefinite article in ALT1. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The hook, not the article. Can we save space with the numeral? ... that in Soho Square in 18th-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another house of the same name?

Is that what "another" means? It's just over the limit now, at 202 ch. Tony (talk) 07:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I guess I see why London might not need to be linked in the hook, so long as it's mentioned, but I think Soho Square needs to be. (As I say, I've been corrected before for assuming people can glean enough context from these very brief hooks.) "another" after "a Carlisle House" still seems clear to me, and "another house of the same name" is awfully long and also it seems to me gives the false impression the link on Carlisle House is only about one of them. I'm not sure whether 18th-century with a numeral is allowed in hooks; I know it's deprecated in articles. If it is allowed . . . how about:

• ALT3 ... that in 18th-century London, Domenico Angelo's fencing and riding school was in a Carlisle House and Madame Cornelys' masquerades and illegal operas in another Carlisle House, both in Soho Square?

I make that 199 characters in a count by hand. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Lagos Colony, Walter Egerton

• ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, hoped to build a railway through British Guiana to Brazil?

• Reviewed: Nathaniel Merrill

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out, but I think it would be better if the hook was related to Lagos, not British Guiana. Something about his push for rail over river transport perhaps? The-Pope (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, found that pacification patrols in southeast Nigeria usually achieved submission without using force?

I suppose this hook is more suitable to both articles. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Could pacification patrols have a wikilink to a relevant article? It's not a term that I'm familiar with - but is used in the source - maybe put it in quotes or italics? Also adding the word "annual" prior to pacification might also give a better context. The-Pope (talk) 12:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, found that annual "pacification patrols" in southeast Nigeria usually achieved submission without using force?

Good points - see ALT2 for the changes. I don't think "pacification patrol" is a technical term that should have an article, although a Google books search does show it being used in other contexts to mean an armed patrol through hostile territory aimed at discouraging resistance. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Context isn't quite clear enough in any of the three attempts. The context for 1 and 2 was that such patrols had traditionally used brutal force? If so, that needs to be said. Tony (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't follow. See here for the source, towards the foot of the page. Egerton initiated the policy of sending out annual pacification patrols. He found that the threat of force was "usually" sufficient to eliminate any threat of resistance to the colonial administration, which could then move in and take over. Presumably, although not stated by the source, force was used occasionally. What would you suggest for the hook? How about ALT3 below: Aymatth2 (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that Walter Egerton, last Governor of Lagos Colony, initiated annual "pacification patrols" in southeast Nigeria which usually achieved submission without using force?

Aodh Méith

• ... that Aodh Méith, Ó Néill chief and king of Tír Eoghain, refused to meet John, king of England, because the latter was unwilling to give hostages?

• Reviewed: Hidase Dam ([2])

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 00:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

A request for clarification: is this a return of hostages as part of negotiations, hostages as a surety of the safety of Aodh Méith, or what? Kevin McE (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The latter. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 18:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case ALT1 ... that Aodh Méith, Ó Néill chief and king of Tír Eoghain, refused to meet John, King of England because the latter was unwilling to give hostages as surety that he would be safe? Kevin McE (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't think the top suggestion should be confusing ("give", not "return"), but your ALT1 would work too minus that he would be safe which sounds a tad clumsy. It makes sense without it, or even with as surety for his safety.Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I like the for his safety: reads better than my proposal Kevin McE (talk) 11:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ambrosio José Gonzales

• ... that Colonel Ambrosio José Gonzales (pictured), a Confederate soldier, once fought for the US annexation of Cuba?

This article was once a "stub" and I, Tony the Marine (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC), have expanded it to what it is now, a full article.

• Expansion of the article falls short of 5x. According to DYKcheck, the previous version was 1742 characters (255 words) of prose, and current one is 6456 characters (1042 words). Thus, it's currently at 3.7x. Is it possible to add more? --Orlady (talk) 03:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hello Orlady, I'm not too familiar with the expansion character thing. The thing is that when I happened upon the "stub" on May 24th, it looked like this "Stub" and after I tackled it, I ended up with the current version which is this. To tell you the truth I don't think that I have more to add to the article. Tony the Marine (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• In an attempt to further expand the article I have created and added a section called "Father of notable journalists". I hope this helps because to tell you the truth I do not know what else I can do. Thank you and take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• The qualification for DYK is that an article be new or be a 5x expansion (measured in prose) over the previous version. In this case, the original article was fairly long, although it did not do justice to its subject. Not all of the expansion is counted as prose, since the expansion includes a long blockquote (which isn't counted by the tools). The "Journalists" section is a good addition. I've poked into the sources for the article, and I believe that ample content exists to take this to a full 5x expansion. The 2003 biographical book about Gonzeles has extensive information that could be used to flesh out the article (however, I found the book "hard going" to read). Additionally, there is a large amount of primary-source material (not generally appropriate for Wikipedia, but potentially helpful nonetheless) at http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/gonzales.htm . With a little tweaking, I think this will qualify for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I would like to request a nomination withdrew, Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 07:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think it needs to be withdrawn. It just needs a little more expansion work. It's an interesting article for DYK. --Orlady (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  I've spent some time with the article, and it's now at 5x by my reckoning. (DYKcheck doesn't agree, but that seems to be based on a slightly longer version that included some random vandalism and existed for only one minute.) I suggest an alternate hook:

• ALT1 ... that, after fighting for United States annexation of his native Cuba, Ambrosio José Gonzales (pictured) fought in the American Civil War as a colonel in the Confederate Army? --Orlady (talk) 22:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• The alternative hook sounds fine to me. Thank you Orlady for all your work, you really have a lot of class. Take care Tony the Marine (talk) 06:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• I haven't looked at the article. The original and ALT1 both look good as hooks. Tony (talk) 14:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas

• ... that the oldest pre-Hispanic tomb has been found in Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas, Mexico?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Ron Stein Thelmadatter (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be extraordinary if the earliest tomb were not pre-Hispanic. It is presumably also pre-industrialisation, pre-internet, and pre-lots of other things that have happened since AD400. But are these the oldest tombs in Mexico, in the Americas, in the world, or merely in that area? Without clarification of the parameters of the claim, it is meaningless. Kevin McE (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour

• ... that Tema Harbour in Ghana is Africa's largest man-made harbour?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Paperbark Flycatcher[[3]]

Checked. Ready! I would write Tema Harbour with both words capitalized. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 06:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour, or The Tema Harbour? The latter looks odd, and only occurs in one of the 5 websites cited. Hook changed: objection withdrawn Kevin McE (talk) 19:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please clean up the overlinking in the article. --PFHLai (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Delinked. Thanks for cleaning up the overlinking. --PFHLai (talk) 22:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I ran the dash script on it (takes five seconds). Please see the edit summary for where/how to acquire this useful device. The article has horrors such as "An old fishing villages". Please scrutinise. HOOK: No "The". Add spice to the hook?

ALT1 ... that Tema Harbour in Ghana is Africa's largest man-made harbour, on a site that was a fishing village only 34 years ago?

If that's to your liking,

. Tony (talk) 16:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

All concerns raised have been addressed.  CrossTempleJay  → talk 20:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2 ...Tema Harbour in Ghana was named after the Torman fishing village and is Africa's largest man-made harbour?

Islanding

• ... that in spite of real-world tests concluding that the risk is "virtually zero", islanding conditions are still used by utility companies to refuse connection of new distributed generation systems?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bird Watching, below

• Length, date OK, but the referencing needs work... I gather that one of the other references already given was authored by Verhoeven? Which one? Need to fill in author= -danjel (talk to me) 14:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

It's used in #8. I'm not sure I know what you mean by the author=, I've never used that. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry as in: {{ref |author=}}. -danjel (talk to me) 00:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't used that either. Can you make a sample edit in the page so I can see how to do it? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I really can't... The problem is that I can't identify what "Bower & Ropp" is, because you haven't given me any other information to find those citations besides the author names. You need to, at least, provide the year of publication, the title, and publisher.

Above, I was assuming that Verhoeven, Bower & Ropp, etc. were the authors of some of the other references that you've already provided, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Take a look at WP:REFERENCES#Examples and Template:Cite and fill in some detail so that the references are verifiable. -danjel (talk to me) 02:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Context/definition is missing: I had a vision of an electricity customer on an island. This is no good as it stands. Tony (talk) 12:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Bird Watching (magazine)

• ... that Bird Watching magazine sells more copies by subscription than from newsagents?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• • The article is good and the hook is refed fine, but I'm not so sure about the hook -- I would wager that the same is true for many specialist magazines. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    • At 761 characters of prose, it's still a stub, well short of the 1500 required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks; I wasn't aware of the minimum-length requirement. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
        • For more info on the prose size requirement, see here and here. Use of a tool such as User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js (the most accurate) or User:Dr pda/prosesize.js is recommended for determining prose size. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Very boring hook. Tony (talk) 12:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Article: overlinked (UK, subscription, magazine ... why dilute the link to "birdwatchers"? Spell out ABC. Run the dash script on this, please. (Very handy to install – does within-sentence interruptors and year ranges). Is the article long enough to qualify? Tony (talk) 14:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Nope, only 715 chars of readable prose. Eisfbnore ^talk 14:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Paperbark Flycatcher

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher never uses the "scissors-grinding" call of the closely related Restless Flycatcher?

• Comment: hook picked as it sounds...weird. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Maias (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hall income tax
• Date, length check out well. Hook reference accepted in good faith.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 14:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The grinding scissors noise might be notable in discussion of the Restless Flycatcher, but has absolutely nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Humans never walk around with their backsides in the air like the closely related chimpanzee, but we don't use that fact as the main piece of data to share about our species. Kevin McE (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The issue was that they were considered the same species until 1999 and look very similar. I just realised the former point is not conveyed and hence the significance is lost. I am ruminating on how to make it more interesting. I just thought the "scissors-grinding" thing was funny....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Casliber. I'm afraid I agree with Kevin McE - "scissors-grinding" is a feature of Restless Flycatcher and has nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Sorry. --Philcha (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That's why I suggested the alternate below - more interesting than it sounds as it is highly unusual for a species to be split like this in a first world country. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher was only classified as a species distinct from the similar-looking Restless Flycatcher in 1999?
• "rictal bristles"—I love it. Rushing to my dictionary (no link for rictal?). " There is no overlap in size between the species."—not quite sure what it means. Please go easy on the clause connector ", with ... -ing" (, with nana almost never using, etc). So what kind of vocalisation does nana use? The hook is a bit forced, isn't it? ... saying that the subject doesn't do something Tony (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC).

Argentina at the 1960 Summer Paralympics

• ... that all five of the medalists for Argentina at the inaugural Paralympic Games were swimmers?

• Reviewed: Erskine Thomason ([4])

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook good. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 01:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• What I've noted above for Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics applies here as well: trim the "Disability qualifications" (which doesn't pertain here, and all but one sentence doesn't apply to the 1960 Paralympics), and trim the sentence from the lead about how the 1960 Paralympics were prepared (also has no relevance to the Argentinian athletes), and you have an article of less than 1200 characters. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

And what I've said above applies here as well; it is relevant. The sentence in the lead is the one that notes that the Games were not at the time called the Paralympic Games (that designation came later), the disability classification section contains only one sentence not directly relevant to the Argentinian athletes and their events and that explains the differences between which athletes were eligible in 1960 and those eligible in later Games. Again though there is nothing to add to the article due to the limited number of competitors so if you don't like it for DYK as it is there's little that I can do to change the article - Basement12 (T.C) 09:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

For clarity's sake, I'll also repeat what I said above, at Switzerland: in my opinion that information pertains to the games (and most of it to the following games, not these ones), not to the participation of this team. But I invite other DYK editors to judge this as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

So "all of the medallists" was two? A quick look at the article suggests five. "that all five ...."? That would start to get interesting. Tony (talk) 14:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I intially left the five out as by today's standard's that's not a lot of medalists, but at the time to be successful to that degree in one sport and not medal in others was unusual. Whether adding the five makes it more or less interesting depends on your knowledge of the subject I guess but I've added it to the hook as you suggest - Basement12 (T.C) 15:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Why not say so? "that all five ... , a rare achievement for the sport and for any country at the time". Something like that? Tony (talk) 07:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Because for DYK that (or similar) would need to be sourced and I'd be 90%+ sure that no source saying such exists. The most unusual thing here is not that they had five swimming medallists but that they didn't have any in other sports. Admittedly this is perhaps because they only entered swimmers according to the IPC records but I'd be slightly uneasy adding this to the hook as there is some question over how complete those records are. Pointing out that every (recorded) Argentinian competitior won a medal might be the way to go

ALT1... that Argentina's team at the inaugural Paralympic Games was made up of five swimmers, all of whom medaled? - Basement12 (T.C) 08:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I think the original is better. Tony (talk) 12:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Jens Bache-Wiig

• ... that Norwegian engineer Jens Bache-Wiig resigned from his position in the International Telephone and Telegraph in protest against the New York head office intervening in his area of responsibility?

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ministry of Transport (Ghana). --Eisfbnore ^talk 02:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expansion seems correct, Norwegian reference accepted in good faith (seems to cite other sources as well) Cambalachero (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article prose: "Bache-Wig moved to Germany for studying engineering"?

  Hook: not only is it over the limit; it gets 2.5 out of 10 on the DYK Lame Index <sound of gong>. Needs a 6 to pass, in my view. Could his expertise be boosted so his resignation seems a bit more dramatic? (I'm sure it was dramatic at the time, although the article doesn't really give much away on that, and the ref is in Norwegian.) A year would be good.

  ... that Norwegian Jens Bache-Wiig, a former professor of engineering, resigned from his position at IT&T in 1935 in protest against New York head office intervention in his area of responsibility? [197 ch.] Tony (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for spotting out the Norwegianism in the article. Although I don't care too much about your self-invented "DYK Lame Index" not mentioned anywhere in the DYK criteria, I do like your ALT1. Cheers, --Eisfbnore ^talk 17:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Alt1... during the Quisling regime of German-occupied Norway, Jens Bache-Wiig served in the non-political Administrative Council until it was replaced by Terboven's Reichskommissariat Norwegen in 1940.

This seems notable, while I agree that the other hook is dull and non-notable.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Kiefer, sorry to be a bore, but ALT1 looks cluttered with unfamiliar things; incomprehensible to me. What is the focus of interest for the readers? Tony (talk) 14:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The word "Quisling" is synonymous with traitor, although most English speakers don't know/remember the Norwegian origins of the world. I think many more English speakers would be interested in a Norwegian minister during the occupation by Nazis than in the ... *yawn* ... where was I? ;)

I agree that the last section could be trimmed. I improved the article to note that this guy was in the non-political government, before the Nazis really established totalitarian rule.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nova (operating system)

• ... that the goal of the Cuban state-sponsored Linux distribution Nova (pictured) is to achieve "sovereignty and technological independence"?

• ALT1: "... Cuba has set a goal to install its Linux distribution Nova (pictured) in 90% of all work places?"
• Reviewed: Damo and Ivor ([5])

Created by Jonkerz (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Context missing from the hook to make it interesting. Here's what you want: "central to the Cuban government's desire to replace Windows". Can you shift the tiny, indecipherable screen-shot out of the infobox and make it, say, 240px, in the body of the article? Tony (talk) 14:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the input, I've resized the image. ALT2: "... that the Linux distribution Nova is central to the Cuban government's desire to replace Microsoft Windows?" jonkerz♠ 15:29, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Tony (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 25

Social Democrats, USA

SDUSA member Tom Kahn, testifying on behalf of the AFL-CIO to the US Congress, recommended that U.S. aid require the Communist regime to meet the 21 demands of Solidarity (pictured).

• ... that members of Social Democrats, USA organized the AFL-CIO's contribution of $300,000 to Solidarity, the Polish labor-union, in 1979–1981, despite Secretary of State Muskie's warnings that its donation might provoke a Soviet invasion?

• Reviewed: Åbo bloodbath (Copy-editing and picture)
• Reviewed: Jens Bache-Wiig ([6])
• Comment: This might also count as a sourced BLP two-fold expansion (?), since last week the main source was a fringe left-wing website (whose material is echoed by fringe rightwing sites like JewWatch and David Duke's). I have saved what I could, and provided secondary references from quality journals, some academic to assertions. The DYK tool won't reflect the overhaul of content (the bit count is not at 5-fold expansion.

5x expanded by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) (re: CARL GERSHMAN, and mistakes about Ben Wattenberg and Elliot Abrams) by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Length of article

• DYK check does not show a 5x expansion of the Social Democrats article. You should expand it more, and make sure to cite the hook fact right away in the article. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

As noted above, the DYK check tool will not show the five fold expansion. Look at its state on the 25th and compare now. The 5x expansion is obvious. (The old article had mostly lists and notes, not prose.) I just added a big chunk from a revised article on Penn Kemble, the revision happening today. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

(QUOTATION, now with link to 25 May DYK check.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC))

The DYK check for 25 May showed the following "1690 characters (259 words) "readable prose size" (which is more than 5-fold expansion, I add now 08:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)). The present DYK check shows "12492 characters (1890 words) "readable prose size".  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It is almost there, but not quite. This May 25 version is 3526 characters, while the current version is 12492 characters, giving 3.54x. You can still make 5x, but it will take some work. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Re-check the DYK statistics I cited. I added a link to help.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand why you chose this time on 25 May, when I gave you the statistics from that day, roughly half the stats you quote.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

According to A5: "Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it was up for deletion. This may be a bad surprise, but we don't have enough time and volunteers to reach consensus on the quality of each previous article. Twofold expansion for newly-sourced BLPs similarly means from the version prior to the expansion and addition of sources." In other words, the stuff you removed between the edit I chose and the one you chose is still counted. It is not calculated after the pruning, but including what was pruned. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, I do not see how this could be called a BLP. It seems to be an organization. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

It is classified as BLP-o (for "other"), because it has significant BLP content: see its talk-page assessment for details regarding the BLP project.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Now "19618 characters (2982 words) "readable prose size"! tiredly,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The organization is mainly known through the activity of its members, and it is a fascinating story, particularly for lumpen leftists and weirder-than-usual conspiracy theorists. Carl Gershman, Norman Hill, and others are alive. (Penn Kemble died in c. 2005 and Kahn around 1996.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The DYK check for 25 May showed the following "1690 characters (259 words) "readable prose size", (08:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)) obviously more than a 5-fold expansion, I note now. The present DYK check shows "12492 characters (1890 words) "readable prose size".  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The article is about the organization, and not its members. While it may legally be a "corporate person", by general definitions (i.e. "A single human being; an individual") it is not. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

From the top of the article's talk page: "... Biographies of living persons policies do not apply directly to the subject of this article ...". I am interpreting that to mean that BLP x2 expansion would not be allowed. We can defer to another editor though, if you wish. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

:::Agreed about the subject of the article, but BLP policies apply to the living persons mentioned, as noted above.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case I defer the question of whether or not BLP X2 applies to another editor who is more experienced with DYK. It appears we have no clear policies on this issue, so we will need a consensus. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I expanded the article again, so now it meets the 5-fold expansion criterion, by your previous benchmark. Thanks for your encouragement/push! Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, but due to the size of the article around 29 October 2010, it is still reading as a (nearly) 2x expansion. The number of characters 10386 in October 2010 vs. 19618 now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it is unfair to penalize editors for having to deal with unsourced, poorly written junk text. I am thus counting the expansion as taking place after the removal of text here, and this suggests to me that it meets the criteria (grew from 4k prose to 23k). There is a problem with the DYK system, in which expansions are much more difficult. I think that this article meets the criteria - removal of text was justified, and the article was 5x+ expanded from the verifiable state to where it is now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you that the article has been improved greatly (nice to see a GA nom coming up) with the changes by Kiefer. If the other editors don't mind, I will accept using this version as the benchmark and ignore A5. However, there is still much work to be done. That version is 6082 chars, while the current is 19926 chars, giving 3.2x expansion. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

It's nice that finally an editor invokes WP:Ignore all rules on my side! Turnabout is fair play, after all.

:-)

Crisco1492's benchmark is a reasonable and fair-minded suggestion. I had already removed a lot of BLP violations and NPOV/OR violations from the article previous to your suggested benchmark-version.

However, you may wish to reconsider the BLP violations of the benchmark you propose. In particular, Ben Wattenberg was NOT a member of SDUSA, contrary to the assertion of this version. (I believe that it would be difficult to establish that Radosh was a member of SDUSA by secondary reliable sources, although reference to primary sources could be found, I believe.)

The article was poorly sourced with the most independent references to a nonreliable (fringe left-wing) website (formerly in the SW USA and now archived at IPS). Many of the other references were broken weblinks supporting OR.

A lesser concern is that the large section at the end on a Pennsylvania group trying to revive SDUSA, which has one independent reliable source: Their convention had 25 people, roughly 1/3 the size of my Cub Scout pack! I trimmed this section because of notability, and documentation problems. Less charitable editors may have worried about COI issues ....

Honestly, my concern has been to redress the unfairness in the earlier WP versions of the SDUSA article.

I was surprised to be able to tell part of the story of the AFL-CIO's aid to solidarity, which I was surprised to find documented in the Shervis reference. This story should be told, because it is good for us, far better than my 13 previous DYKs put together.

Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The strides the article has taken are remarkable. However, don't celebrate just yet. You still need perhaps 10,000 chars to pass 5x using the benchmark we have. 6,082 * 5 = 30,410 Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks good so far. I would feel better if we had more of a consensus though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Length of hook

Hook: it's too long, at 239 ch. But great focus of interest! Trying to think of how to shorten. AFL-CIO is also gobbledygook to 99% of readers. Bumpety-bump with the commas; and why not just a central link to funnel the readers? I've manhandled it down to 201 ch. Keen to hear whether people think it's better.

ALT1 ... that Social Democrats, USA helped the AFL-CIO to donate $300,000 to the Polish labor-union Solidarity in 1979–81, despite Secretary of State Muskie's warnings this might provoke a Soviet invasion? Tony (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the effort! I copy-edited. It is very important to avoid stating the SDUSA did anything directly, because Kahn insisted that his actions were approved by the AFL-CIO executive officers or council. (Stating that the AFL-CIO donated money is a white lie, because it purchased equipment worth nearly that amount.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Biographies

Why is the majority of the content in this article simply biographies of its members? Those should be in the respective biography articles. OCNative (talk) 09:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Procedurally, I believe that your comment reflects a flag and not a possible veto. Posting the possible veto requires that you notify me.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi OCNative! As stated in the article, SDUSA was an organization that sponsored conferences, passed resolutions, issued pamphlets, and had a newsletter---which makes it barely notable. However, it is notable as being the renamed Socialist Party of Debs and Thomas, and because its history tells the history of (many but not all) Socialist contributions to the civil rights movement along with the labor movement and US foreign policy---and this is notable indeed. If you read the biographical sections, you can see the decades of interaction among the prominent members. This interaction and socialist tradition is not captured in the biographies of the members.

That said, I just added Feldman, which is too long. I shall condense that section next week.

It would be possible to write a topical essay, for example, on SDUSA positions as reflecting the (dominant) labor-movement perspective in defending teachers' tenure, due process, and seniority rules against the demands of "Black Power" militants in the early 70s---this would help people understand the reference to nuclear war being caused by Albert Shanker getting control of nuclear missiles in Woody Allen's Sleeper. I lack the resources to do such an article, and my guess is that such an article would be OR. The coverage of journal articles necessitates, imho, that the story of SDUSA and its members be told largely by biography. However, if you look at articles discussing SDUSA, such as cited in the article, you will find that they mostly discuss the activities of its leaders, and only rarely SDUSA-organizational activities. Thus, WP's article's coverage of biographies reflects the reliable sources.

The article strives to be accurate and based on reliable sources, such as national journals (some academic). Please do a Google search for SDUSA and you will find that many of the hits are sites like "David Duke. com" or "Jew Watch.org". There are also conspiracy theorists of the (lumpen-)left that charge that SDUSA was a group of Trostkyists/neoconservatives/Jews that have been running foreign policy. The allegation is that this group of people behaved like a conspiracy, masterminded by Max Schachtman (notwithstanding the latter's death).

Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Mystic River Reservation

• ... that the Mystic River Reservation was one of the first nature preserves established in Massachusetts?

Created by Chillowack (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing anything about the Mystic River Reservation on the page of the book used as the hook's reference (all I see are people's and towns' names). If it could be pointed out that'd be helpful. Also, the references need to be cleaned up for this to be WP homepage-worthy (as they are, they're only bare URLs). Length and date creation are fine though. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Åbo bloodbath

• ... that two condemned prisoners spared in the 1599 Åbo bloodbath also survived the 1600 Linköping bloodbath?

• Reviewed: 1st Filipino Infantry Regiment ([7])

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• The context is missing from the hook, so readers are likely to glaze over and go to the next DYK, or worse, another section on the main page. This is also a critical problem in the lead of the article, which is very unsatisfactory. Are we in Finland? Lithuania? England? And do I take it from the hook that it happened in the 20th century? Great premise for the hook, though, twice spared. Can you make both hook and article work? Tony (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I second Tony's concerns. We should not assume that everyone knows what we are talking about. There are British, American, Canadian, Australian, and plenty of non-native speakers of English who read Wikipedia; not everyone will have the same reference pool. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the context would be that important if the hook was more interesting... Hack (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't take much.

After the Åbo bloodbath, the corpse of an executed nobleman was defiled, according to folklore that inspired this Edelfelt painting pictured).

• ALT1 "... that two prisoners survived the bloodbaths of Åbo (1599) and of Linköping (1600), having received reprieves after being sentenced to death in both Finland and Sweden?"

would be much clearer and still be a good hook, I think. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

OK with ALT1, I have also expanded the lead per the suggestions above. Thank you, Skäpperöd (talk) 17:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I copy-edited ALT1. WP's article states that they received reprieves, which would allow their later execution. I linked to the appropriate articles on Finnish and Swedish history and on clemency/reprieves. I added the picture from the article. (Feel free to ask me for help on Swedish DYKs.)  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nickel Ashmeade

• ... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 09:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• meet record is, I believe, an Americanism: it would be an athletics meeting on my side of the Atlantic. I wonder whether those involved in the sport on both sides of the Atlantic might be able to acknowledge something like event record as a version neutral compromise. Kevin McE (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with the switch from "set a meet record" to "set an event record" in this hook, but is it really necessary? The words "meet record" were taken directly from the ref., which is an IAAF website, so this is probably "international" English. Furthermore, the hook is about an event that took place in Puerto Rico, an accomplishment by someone who makes his home in Florida. So using American English seems appropriate. Anyway, I'll be happy either way. --PFHLai (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR suggests finding phrasings that are common to all versions of English over and above conforming to local language customs. Kevin McE (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind changing that part, but I don't think it is necessary. Everyone understands what that means. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

"Meet record"—jargon in athletics throughout the anglosphere, not just the US. The problem is that it's jargon.

Hook: boring, I'm afraid. What is the focus of interest, the irony, the punch? Is it that a Jamaican (a black guy, I guess) beat someone? Probably not, but some readers may take that as the point. It's not even clear from the article. Could one take this line:

"... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade has had a meteoric rise over the past four years, and beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?"

But now it's 209 ch. You could shorten the Ponce bit and remove 2011. Tony (talk) 14:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The only thing I would remove would be the POV/PEACOCK-ish "has had a meteoric rise over the past four years". Boring? I find it exciting when a record is set. If you are looking for a boring hook to fix, try #Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics below. --PFHLai (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Saxon (horse)

• ... that the offspring of the stallion Saxon were the subject of teasing from his owner's brother, resulting in a challenge race that his horse won by four lengths?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Nominated by Qrsdogg (talk) at 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Special thanks to Demiurge1000 for coming up with the hook.
• Reviewed First Battle of Newbury Qrsdogg (talk) 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I read that a few times without being any the wiser about whether "his horse" meant the horse belonging to the owner or the owner's brother. Perhaps ... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race by four lengths? I know the same word appears either side of a comma, but it is unambiguous. The margin of victory is fairly meaningless if we don't know the distance of the race (or even the tactics of the jockeys: was one horse or the other easing up at the end if the result was already clear?) Kevin McE (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, how about ALT1:... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race? Qrsdogg (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Marjan Bojadziev

• ... that Marjan Bojadziev was CEO of the Makedonska banka from 1999 to 2004?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Article is currently at AfD. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article was kept. Qrsdogg (talk) 02:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Hans Vogt (composer)

• ... that Hans Vogt, born 100 years ago, composed an opera based on Hermann Kasack's novel Die Stadt hinter dem Strom which was first staged at the Internationale Maifestspiele Wiesbaden in 1955?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed #Isabella Psalter, Queen Mary Psalter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

- Date, length, hook looks all good to go. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• After an addition to the article, replaced in the hook "premiered" by "first staged", because the opera had been broadcast before. Btw, Vogt was born in MAY 1911, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Now there is a stub article on the opera itself, therefore

ALT1:... that the opera Die Stadt hinter dem Strom, composed by Hans Vogt (born 100 years ago) based on Hermann Kasack's novel, was first staged at the Internationale Maifestspiele Wiesbaden in 1955?

Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

• ... that Volkswagen's new Chattanooga Assembly Plant is built near the remaining storage bunker of a plant that manufactured up to 30 million pounds of TNT per month for the Second World, Korean and Vietnamese wars?

5x expanded by 842U (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

Date, length, hook all good to go. I have tweaked the hook for simplicity and to avoid being misleading; the 30 mill figure only appears to apply to the Vietnam era, so we might as well just limit it to that, as the simpler hook will draw in more readers anyway. I think this reduction is also needed to make it in under the 200-char hook limit. Feel free to revert, though, if you feel I've overstepped my bounds. Cheers Khazar (talk) 06:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Grammar check. I replaced a reversed clause:

• Near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County, the facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park.

with

• The facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County.

Units check. I added metric units.

I hope those changes kept the referencing the same. Please check. Lightmouse (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE: I missed your comment and was just about to ask suspiciously whether the conversion was provided: so glad you did it in square km (Lightmouse and I never reached confluence about acres and conversions: it's a messy issue). Why can't the acres be in square miles? Who in the US can visualise what 6,000 acres looks like?

"Site and design": paragraphing could easily be made less choppy.

"automobiles" could be "cars" subsequently, couldn't it? Rather old-fashioned term nowadays.

LEED ... the link should be for the first occurrence, and it goes to a dab page. I'm working hard to get to the right article: is it Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design? If so, can't that be the theme of the hook?

NOMINATOR: I checked your page to see whether you might be a company employee ... no. Many of your previous DKY hooks are much better than this one: nice work.

HOOK: I assumed this was in India. Could we have "Tennessee", too? It's insufferably boring to learn that the new plant is near a storage bunker. The rest of the hook doesn't quite save it from this flattener. The hook is 15 over the limit.

ALT1 ... that Volkswagen's new "aggressive" pursuit of the internationally recognized LEED green building certification in its new Tennessee assembly plant resulted in a silver rating? [179 ch.]

They did actually receive it, I see, but only for some things, and only a silver. So it's partly company spin. The article needs more refs like that one I found. Look, I'm unsure now about the angle this has taken. But if you can make something NPOV of it, that would be a good alternative to the long chain of distant links to the war points in the original. (PS "Second World ...... wars" doesn't work.) Tony (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

NOTE: VW did NOT get LEED Silver for the Chattanooga plant, according to the reference... they got LEED Silver for their Herndon office building. So out goes ALT 1. 842U (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Tony about jettisoning the awkward "Second, Korean" construction (which also puts the hook over the char. limit, but I have to disagree that the building's environmental rating is "hookier" to a general audience than the TNT bunker. Perhaps it's just my personal interest in explosions. =) Khazar (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 looks good, but I think that LEED may need to be wikilinked to Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design. Not everyone will get it; most may not, to be honest. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Can it be simplified to tons of TNT rather than pounds? Lightmouse (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Units check. I've edited it again so the newly added square foot value has a conversion. To User:842U, you may wish to learn how to use the convert template, or try copying it. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I'll look into the convert template. The LEED ALT 1 doesn't work for several reasons: the supposed source (above) refers to the wrong building, and besides, it would be pretty bland; a lot of buildings meet Silver LEED criteria. But the TNT connection is suggestive of a connection to VW's early history, WWII, etc. No, I'm not a VW employee, but still was working to make sure I found a hook that was informational rather than promotional. As many DYK articles as I've nominated, I've never had so much conversation about the hook! 842U (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Highgrove House, Eastcote

• ... that the future British prime minister Winston Churchill stayed at Highgrove House in Eastcote for his honeymoon?

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: HD 154672 b

• Length, date and hook all check out. Assume good faith for offline source. --Eisfbnore ^talk 20:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

HD 154672 b, HD 154672

• ... that, if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad --Starstriker7^(Talk) 19:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Could I add a second article as well?

ALT1: ... that, , if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit around its host star? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 22:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 also checks out. Harrison49 (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

We are told that the "equilibrium temperature of the planet varies between 300 K and 600 K" (27 to 327 C so ostensibly either side of boiling point of water as we know it), but if I remember my O level physics, boiling point depends of temperature and pressure: without data about atmospheric pressure on the planet, the temperature range means nothing in terms of volatility of putative liquids. Kevin McE (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Kevin McE if this is original research. However, if cited that should be fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Love the hook; agree with Crisco. Tony (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook is taken from a part of the discovery paper on page 6. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• As this hook is now a double-nom, please review a second candidate. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 19:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

  A second candidate has been reviewed. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:16, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Where's the diff? I only see one. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, my apologies...The diff is here. I reviewed Brandon Crawford. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 23:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Returned from preps because of a very awkward WP:CRYSTAL formulation. It is not appropriate to speculate on existence of water (which implies life) only to indicate the temperature fluctuations. You probably wanted to say the same as in "that because of the elongated orbit the maximum surface temperature of the extrasolar planet HD 205739 b is thought to vary by about 100 °C?", but that hook was in the next prep, and featuring them in a row would be a bad taste. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It is inappropriate for us to speculate. From the source linked above: "If water is present in

the atmosphere of HD 154672b, it could transition between gaseous and liquid phases along the planet’s orbit," on page six. It is not definite, but it is also not original research. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Depends on degree of speculation, its author and purpose. That hyperbolic speculation is launched there merely to illustrate the predicted variation of surface temperature (weak claim). However, existence of water implies existence of life (strong claim, WP:REDFLAG) and can't be accepted as is, IMO. Note that this speculation is only mentioned in passing in the Discussion of the article. Putting it forward as a DYK hook would be WP:UNDUE. Materialscientist (talk) 07:36, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess we could do a standard temperature variation hook, but it would lose a lot of the interest factor. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 Slave Lake wildfire

• ... that the 2011 Slave Lake wildfire caused the evacuation of all 7,000 of Slave Lake's residents?

Created by Resolute (talk). Nominated by Doh5678 (talk) at 17:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed The Green Men

• hook, length, date, check out perfectly. And interesting, always a bonus! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• hahaha! I was going to nominate this myself when I had it finished. I am in the process of adding sections and greater detail, all of which will be sourced and ready before any main page date. Resolute 01:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units check: It says 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) and 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) which is probably excessive precision. Try '15 kilometres (9 mi)' and '100 kilometres per hour (60 mph)'.

It says 105,000 hectares (260,000 acres) and 500 hectares (1,200 acres). Consider large units for large quantities '1,050 square kilometres (410 sq mi)' and '5 square kilometres (1.9 sq mi)' to simplify the reader's task of visualising.

It uses a time format like '1:30 PM', use lower case 'pm'.

• Spelling check: It says 'The Town of' which should be 'The town of'. It says 'Royal Canadian Mounted Police' in one paragraph and 'RCMP' much later and some readers won't know the abbreviation without being told. Make a connection between the two forms.

It says government had issues such an order which should be 'government had issued such an order'.

It says evacuation of 800-900 people. User:Tony may wish to review the article for hyphens and dashes.

Lightmouse (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

All fixed except the suggested conversion to square km which, in my opinion, makes it less visual rather than more visual. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Wind speeds of 100 km/h are only approximate so I edited the precision down from 62 to 60 mph. I also added spaces before 'pm'. Lightmouse (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• So is the fire "ongoing" as the infobox says, or isn't it? If so, why is plain past tense used throughout the article, and in the hook? (Or will the news people on the main page complain?) Was it in Mongolia?

  ALT1... that the devastating 2011 Slave Lake wildfire in Canada has caused the evacuation of all 7,000 of Slave Lake's residents? [125 ch.] Tony (talk) 13:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes and no. Technically, the wildfire is still burning (but under control), but as the article focuses on the impact of the fire to Slave Lake itself, I have placed an end date to the fire within town itself. This would match the past-tense style of the article. Resolute 17:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Augustów roundup

• ... that the 1945 Augustów roundup which resulted in the disappearance and likely murder of about 600 Polish citizens by the Soviet Union is considered the largest crime committed in Poland after World War II?

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Tahōtō

• Expansion, date and refs check out, verified through Google Translate. One quibble though, the date is not really necessary in the title: dates are added for disambiguation, and there was no other "Augustów roundup". The Polish name does not include a date either. Constantine ✍ 09:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good point, I moved the article to Augustów roundup and corrected the hook. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 26

Nazi talking dogs

• ... that Nazi scientists tried to teach dogs to communicate with humans in order to serve in the Schutzstaffel (SS)?

• Reviewed: Marine technology ([8])

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, length, and ref seems ok to me. However the "SS" part when first seen is really a big what is that - can we use the full name of the "SS"? Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• OK I have changed it for the full name.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I think your hook needs a quick proofread. How about ALT1 ... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the Schutzstaffel? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I knew it needs a proofread :-). I am OK with the alternative.Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, length and date checks out. Information is clearly cited. Note for expansion: you will need a bigger variety of sources. Fine for DYK though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the issue AnakngAraw brings up, wouldn't the abbreviation "SS" be more widely recognized than the full name "Schutzstaffel"? Ucucha 11:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I think so too, actually. It would make the hook even more interesting, even though it would be piped. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This is one of the funniest articles I've seen in quite a while. In light of the above discussion (I've also piped Nazi to Nazi Germany), how about
ALT2:... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the SS?
or perhaps, the more succinct:
ALT3:... that Hitler's scientists tried to get Nazi talking dogs to serve in the SS? OCNative (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if it's in the article yet, but that main source could be cited for this:

ALT4 "... that Nazi scientists claimed to have made a dog call Adolf Hitler "Mein Führer".

This can get wacky... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't stop laughing. These hooks would all be perfect for April Fool's Day...if they weren't all completely true! I love all these hooks. (I did wikilink Führer in ALT4.) It's too bad we can't proclaim Nazi Talking Dog Day and then use WP:IAR to run all of these Nazi talking dog hooks on DYK. OCNative (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Totally agreed... Any admins feeling puckish? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I am happy you're having fun with this DYK nomination :-) I like alt4 the best, and how about ALT5 "... that Rolf the dog from Nazi talking dog's experiment expressed his wish to join Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen? --Mbz1 (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Note to self: Shouldn't have read that hook at 11 p.m. Beautiful! Although, for verifiability sakes, it may have to be ALT6 "... that Rolf, a dog from Nazi talking dog experiments and trained to join the Schutzstaffel (SS), reportedly expressed his wish to join the Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Friendly amendment: "...join the Wehrmacht..." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

After all, it isn't definite. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I am fine with alt6. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, perhaps we can nominate this to be worked on and improved for the April Fools FA Article... Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it will have stiff competition from Pigeon photography :) Qrsdogg (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I doubt this dog article will ever get feature article status no matter how well it is re-written. So I'd say Pigeon photography gets a green light.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Both are good as in how we can present them, but I agree that (as the articles are now) Pigeon photography will be much easier to maintain. Oh well, we still have 10 months or so. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I've never commented on DYK before (and frankly almost never look at it), but this is great. My only suggestion is that far more people will recognize "the SS" than "Schutzstaffel." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 23:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. This has been one of the funnest ones I've ever reviewed. As for the hook, ALT6 is currently accepted, but there are some good ALTs too. (This tick is for clarity) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

You can use "Schutzstaffel (SS)" as indicated by a tweaker of the very first suggested hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

For the record, the currently approved hooks are the tweaked original, ALT3, ALT4, and ALT6. (I've struck the rejected hooks.) OCNative (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Let's get this straight - this article isn't about Nazi talking dogs, its cited entirely to newspaper reports about a book which details "Nazi talking dogs". Have the article's editors actually read the book, or are they basing their work only on sensational newspaper claims, claims that even the book's author has complained about? Validating this article by placing it on the front page is silly, it should be based on the book, not newspaper reviews of said book. Parrot of Doom 13:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Mostly we've been careful to not say "it was so". For example, ALT6 uses "reportedly" because it was reported, not proven with Nazi files. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I tend to agree with PoD - this is an example of content we don't really want on the front page. The bulk of the content is sourced to news reports about the book; which don't really count as reliable sources :S they are just picking fun stories from the book to make a nice article. None of it is really relevant. The only really valid source here (for content about the experiment) is the book itself, and it is unclear if anyone has actually read it! All we have is a whole lot of "supposedly". --Errant ^(chat!) 09:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Anybody in Germany who can get the files? That would spice this article right up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Info I had an email exchange with the author of the book and asked him to take a look at the article. Here's a part of his response to me that is concerning the article: "This article looks OK, but if you check out the features on my book in the Daily Mail and Daily Express newspapers published yesterday you will get more information. Also it was Time Magazine, not the Time, that featured the book in America. Rolf lived 1911-1919 so cannot be called a Nazi dog. He was the first of these weird super-intelligent animals." So I removed info about Rolf, and at this point it is very safe to go ahead with this hook, and to use it at the Main page. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

  I think the problem is that it reads like a news story. It'd have been perfect for WikiNews. When all the sources for an article were published within a day or two of each other, you're writing a news report not an encyclopedia entry. Wikipedia articles tend not to have wording like "According to a book published in 2011" as their start, nor "An article from The Times carried in The Australian says that" prominently in the lead. It's not a real topic for an article, it's based on one chapter in a popular history book and some rather shallow news reports about the book. The article doesn't even cite the book, and the external link doesn't mention talking dogs. Let's not highlight this, please. Fences&Windows 22:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  I disagree it reads as a news story. IMO it reads as a story from the time of World War 2. It is not based on any chapter. It is based on news reports, but why do we call the reports "shallow" ? Isn't this wp:or? As I said I emailed the link to the article to the author of the book, and acted on the only concern he expressed.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

  It is, unfortunately, a collection of "fun facts" pulled out by the newspapers on a somewhat tongue-in-cheek subject all from the day (of publication?). The newspapers cannot be considered a particularly reliable source on this facet of history. The article is liberally sprinkled with supposedly etc. Essentially there is one source for this material (the book) which we are getting distorted through second hand sources. At the very least you need to read & use the book as the source. This is an example of an odd story that would be great for DYK; but IMO currently the article is not the sort of thing that should appear on the main page. --Errant ^(chat!) 08:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

  Well, this article is not about the book. It is only about a chapter of the book, the chapter that concerns nazi dogs. The article provides information about the school, about the study that started back in 1920 and so on. "Fun fact" take a single, small section of the article. This article is not nominated for GA, it is not nominated for FA, but IMO it could be promoted to DYK. Once again, I emailed the link to the article to the author of the book, and the only distortion he pointed out to me was about dog named Rolf, and I did remove this info from the article.Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree; everything there consists of second hand anecdotes or quotations from the author and is loaded with get-out terminology (according to, supposedly - etc.). Parts read like a news article ("Bondeson told the Daily Telegraph."). The article needs re-focusing and to be sourced to the book. Just because this is DYK doesn't, IMO, mean we should allow work that needs substantial work and re-focusing. --Errant ^(chat!) 14:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Then maybe this one should be nominated on deletion and deleted and a new one could be written one day by somebody, who will read the book.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Or a selective merge to Dogs in warfare, or expand it into Dogs in Nazi Germany, if there's sources enough to do so. Fences&Windows 20:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't some of these concerns be raised on the article's talk page rather than here? Also, could someone cite the specific DYK rules that this nomination fails to meet? OCNative (talk) 07:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree they should. And as it stands now the hook was promoted, and there's no valid reason to decline it in accordance with DYK guidelines. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Returned here from prep area. The article does not mention the hook fact (ALT6 had been chosen). I haven't looked through the article's history to find out why this is. Schwede66 19:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Titanic Musicians' Memorial, Southampton

• ... that the original Titanic Musicians' Memorial in Southampton was destroyed in World War II and was not replaced for 50 years until the site was redeveloped in 1990?

Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• - Length, date and references all check out - good to go. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Titanic Musicians' Memorial in Southampton features the opening bars of a 19th century hymn, "Nearer, My God, to Thee", commonly believed to have been played by the orchestra as the ship went down?

Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I prefer the other version, especially as I cannot read the musical notation! -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention that it is not sure what they were playing. If we were to go with ALT1, we'd need something like "commonly believed to have been played". Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reviews and comments. I also prefer the first option, I just thought I'd add an alternative. -- Marek.69 ^talk 15:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Back from queue. As noted above, ALT1 may not be factually accurate; nobody has definitively proven what was played on that night. The original is good to go as-is, the ALT would need a qualifier such as "commonly believed to have been played"... Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Crisco 1492, I have edited ALT1 to say exactly that. -- Marek.69 ^talk 14:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, both are good to go. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Both have good interest level. First one, many readers won't know that S is in the UK, but I couldn't see how to insert it. Why pipe when the target article contains S unambiguously: the current wording, BTW, looks like Southampton was destroyed, not the memorial; S doesn't need a direct link, does it? They'll get that from the article you want them to look at. Fifty years hardly seems necessary in a hook. Try this: ALT2 ... that Titanic Musicians' Memorial, Southampton, destroyed in World War II, was not replaced until the site was redeveloped in 1990? Tony (talk) 15:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Brandon Crawford

• ... that San Francisco Giants rookie Brandon Crawford became the sixth player in Major League Baseball history to hit a grand slam in his first major league game?

Created by Yankees10 (talk). Nominated by Bagumba (talk) at 07:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, newness, length, and ref check out. The article is not a self-nom, so an article review (I believe) isn't required. Good to go. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• OK, "sixth" is an interest-killer for me. Not "first"? Maaaybe "second"; but sixth? Looking at the article, there's more you could put in, like "having led the UCLA Bruins to the NCAA Regionals in three consecutive seasons", or better "having been named named the UCLA Bruins' most valuable player in 2006 and 2007, ...". You've got quite a few facts you can play with, combine even, into a more interesting hook. Tony (talk) 07:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that after leading the UCLA Bruins to the NCAA Regionals in three consecutive seasons, San Francisco Giants rookie Brandon Crawford became the sixth player in Major League Baseball history to hit a grand slam in his first major league game? —Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... that after being named the UCLA Bruins most valuable player in 2006 and 2007, San Francisco Giants rookie Brandon Crawford became the sixth player in Major League Baseball history to hit a grand slam in his first major league game? —Bagumba (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Interest level solved, but now both are way too long (244 ch. the first). I don't know how to get it down. Tony (talk) 15:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The Bubble (Parks and Recreation)

• ... that comedian Dana Gould made a cameo appearance in "The Bubble", a third season episode of the comedy series Parks and Recreation?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed William Thompson (journalist) [9] — Hunter Kahn 19:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Citation and article checks out, but could use some context as to who Dana Gould is - I suggest amending the hook to: ALT1: ... that comedian and former Parks and Recreation producer Dana Gould made a cameo appearance in "The Bubble", a third season episode? Miyagawa (talk) 21:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • The alt is fine by me. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 14:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• My reaction is "so what?", unless you can insert something that makes it interesting, unusual, punchy. Tony (talk) 07:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I had trouble coming up with anything particular sexy for this DYK. I thought the Gould one could be of interest since Gould himself has a fanbase separate from the show itself. I will see if I can come up with something better. In the meantime, however, the Gould one is accurate and checks out, right? — Hunter Kahn 16:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Edward H. Harte

• ... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies which helped after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill?

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size, hook in text check out. Minor quibble: the hook sentence is not supporter by a ref. The next sentence is, but this indicates the density of refs in the article falls below one per sentence, and at the very least, the hook sentence needs a direct cite. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 14:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Doubled ref im question, suggest

ALT1:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the TAMU-CC with a 46 million dollar endowment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Interest level of hook is low. Surely there's something more catchy in the article. Who is going to know what "TAMU-CC" is (looks like a copyright-free licence). You don't want people to divert to that link-target; they'll never come back. Isn't it enough, here, to say just "Texax A&M University"? Could you shorten to "US" and ""? Brevity is good. Tony (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT2:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, philanthropist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established at the Texax A&M University the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies which helped after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's way too long, I'm afraid. The 200-ch. limit is treated strictly, is it? Also, it goes into blue-carpet mode. What does it mean by "helped after"? Use "US" to save ch., and remove at least two of the professional words at the opening? Just keep the most important—they'll find out more in the article. Also, "established at the A the B is a bit awkward. Do we have to mention both institutions in full? ... that the US newspaper executive Edward H. Harte established a research institute at the Texax A&M University dedicated to ????? after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill? Tony (talk) 15:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Please explain blue-carpet? English isn't my first language. Back then to a modified ALT1, although $s seem less catchy to me than oil spill (I didn't name the institution, nor the Bach cantatas). I dropped the philanthropist for shortening, what do you think? If it's still too long we might drop conservationist also, because the hook shows him as one. Please correct the figure, I'm not at all familiar with that.

ALT3:... that the American newspaper executive, journalist, and conservationist Edward H. Harte established in 2000 the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the Texax A&M University with a US$46M endowment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It's 209 ch. You don't need journalist, do you? And US can go from $ ... clearly not Hong Kong dollars. Try

ALT4:... that in 2000 the American newspaper executive and conservationist Edward H. Harte established the Harte Research Institute for Gulf of Mexico Studies at the Texas A&M University with a $46M endowment? Tony (talk) 07:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC) PS I fixed the x typo. Tony (talk) 07:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, helpful! (I misunderstood "US" in your comment above.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Hara hachi bu

• ... that a typical Okinawan who practices hara hachi bu may have a body mass index of only 18 to 22?

Created by SusanLesch (talk). Self nom at 23:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Neil Haddock, Robert Dickie and Floyd Havard

• Looks good, hook verified and worded well. I wouldn't recommend the chart though for the hook, too small.--NortyNort (Holla) 10:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the review. I've removed the chart and reworded the hook because the point is to be a good tip to fight the U.S so-called "obesity epidemic". -SusanLesch (talk) 17:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that Okinawans, through practicing hara hachi bu, are the only human population to have a self-imposed habit of calorie restriction?

ALT 2: ... that the Confucian teaching hara hachi bu instructs people to eat until they are 80 percent full?

• ALT 2 is good to go and I would have to assume good faith on ALT 1 as I can't see the cited pages in the book preview. I like ALT 2 the best. I actually live in Okinawa now and the people here are skinny and many are pretty old too. The meals are strangely satisfying by appear small at first.--NortyNort (Holla) 02:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 2 it is, then. Waving to you in Okinawa. According to me, the Japanese are the nicest people in the world. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I haven't met every type of people but they are very nice, just about as nice and welcoming as most Muslims. The Japanese are definitely the most hard-working people I have met.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sort of intriguing enough to survive the interest test. Can you remove the first "and" from the article? I'm a bit concerned about the NPOV authority of the Willcox book, which is relied on for EIGHT refs. And please, [1] after three consecutive sentences gets a bit cluttered ... just one end of first para in "Physiology" would do the trick. I'd be happier with just a little more of the scientific justification in there before this goes for DYK. And the graph: needs to be about five times the size. Tony (talk) 15:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Tony1, I made your changes, added another source, removed the "and". But Willcox was the best source and what he said took two citations to completely cover with other sources. Also the chart is no more readable at twice the size so I think it has to stay too small (or come out which I don't think is an improvement). So I think the article was probably doing fine before, but you're welcome. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Graph: texbook example of poor design. The text is in a bad font, the vertical referents for each legend are unclear, SI spacing not observed (see WP:MOSNUM), and I'd have chosen plain colours. But it does work ok at Body_mass_index. Tony (talk) 07:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

User:OCNative took care of this (it's much bigger now which is the best we can do without drawing a new chart). Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Albie Grant

• ... that Albie Grant is the only Long Island Blackbirds men's basketball player to average 20+ points and 10+ rebounds for his career?

• Reviewed: Mystic River Reservation

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 16:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out.--Giants27(T|C) 03:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

About 5% of visitors will understand the context that makes these impenetrable numbers interesting. Tony (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Warqenah Eshate

• ... that after being carried away from Ethiopia by British solders of the 1868 Expedition to Abyssinia, upon returning 32 years later Warqenah Eshate was recognized by his grandmother, who identified scars on his arms and legs hidden under his clothing?

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook is over 200 characters w/o spaces, over 240 w/ spaces.--NortyNort (Holla) 09:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• I felt that the hook was as short as I could make it without risking lack of comprehension; if the hook can be rewritten to make it snappier, I'd appreciate the help. Otherwise, I don't know what to make of this comment: does that mean the hook otherwise would pass -- or fail? (I would think that a real-life example of the literary theme of recognition, which is as old as Homer's Odyssey & the myth of Oedipus & has been evoked more recently in the movie Sommersby, for example, would be interesting. But if my judgment is wrong here, I will happily move on.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• How about the first Ethiopian with a medical education? Do you have an online source for that by the way? In the History of Ethiopia, pp. 170 (191) it states he was put in charge of reforming feudal slavery along with some other pointers as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 03:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Put the subject's name closer to the opening. It lacks the context that will make it interesing. I'm still struggling to stay awake. Tony (talk) 15:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. and Animahenasyon

• … that the ACPI-sponsored Animahenasyon is an annual animation festival in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
• I also reviewed the article: Titanic Engineers' Memorial, Southampton - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
• I reviewed another article: Jetsun Pema (Bhutan) - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:25, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that above is a double nom. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas

• ... that the Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas is the largest organization of writers in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: Palestine Railways H class - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that the Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas is the largest organization of Filipino writers? - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. I Prefer ALT1. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 09:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I can't get interested in this. Make me interested. Every country has such a "largest organisation". So what? Can you extract something unusual or surprising from the article? Tony (talk) 16:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 2:... that the Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas, the largest organization of Filipino writers, covers literature in Spanish, the languages of the Philippines, and Chinese?

Palestine Railways H class

• ... that the last standard gauge steam locomotive in use in Israel was a Palestine Railways H class 4-6-0 (pictured) that Baldwin Locomotive Works built for the British army's Palestine Military Railway in 1920 and Israel Railways withdrew in 1960?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Where is the new article Palestine Railways H class in the hook? The hook is linked to "Palestine Railways#Palestine Military Railway|Palestine Military Railway". Need action please. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point - sorry! I've now revised the wording (see above). Is this better?

I forgot to use the template that includes an image. The article has a photo; how can I add it to the nomination retrospectively? The photo will not be very clear when reduced to tDYK humbnail size but it should be recognisable as an old steam train at an old station. Also the sepia colour of the print would emphasise the sense of age. Motacilla (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Added the photo. Just see how I laid it down above. Bolded the topic in your modified/tweaked hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! This should help me to remember to use the correct nomination template in future! Motacilla (talk) 18:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I do like this hook but as a general rule, shorter and clearer is better. Perhaps "... that the last standard gauge steam locomotive in use in Israel was a Palestine Railways H class 4-6-0 (pictured) originally built for the British army's Palestine Military Railway?" would work? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 08:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• (e.c.) Origianl too long (248 ch.); photo useless at that size. Please unlink "British Army". Cluttered, and I don't quite get the point of the hook. Ed's is 187 ch and much better. Tony (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Digital: A Love Story

• ... that Digital: A Love Story has been described as a memorable and thought-provoking indie video game and love story?

• Reviewed: List of places of worship in Arun + 4 others ([[10]])
• Comment: 5X expanded; popped it out of a sandbox today.

5x expanded by PresN (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• mind sticking that in quotes just so we don't look like spammers? ;p. Ironholds (talk) 23:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know... the hook doesn't quite grab my attention. What about this alt --Errant ^(chat!) 23:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1... that the indie video game Digital: A Love Story is set "five minutes into the future of 1988"

• I prefer the alt. --PresN 22:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

St Denys' Church, Sleaford

• ... that St Denys' Church, Sleaford (pictured) has one of the oldest stone broach spires in England and an altar rail designed by Sir Christopher Wren?

5x expanded by ErrantX (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article is technically expanded from a small piece of content (500B) from Sleaford - but is basically written from scratch. I tagged it as expanded to avoid controversy :) --Errant ^(chat!) 17:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed #Non-intervention in the Spanish Civil War --Errant ^(chat!) 17:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and facts verified. Nice work, but some cleanup and additions would further enhance it—in particular, an infobox and a current pic of the whole building (although being in the market place, it's probably hard to photograph...). As it features in Simon Jenkins' book, perhaps add some material from there as well. I can do an infobox if you like. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm waiting for a copy of Jenkin's book to come to the local library :) don't have a copy, I just know it is mentioned in there. Infobox - don't mind, architecture articles tend not to have them & my personal preference is against (there isn't much to go in in this case) but if you want to add one feel free :) --Errant ^(chat!) 23:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Nadira Isayeva

• ... that Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva called her 2010 trial "a test for the institution of press freedom" in Dagestan?

• ALT1... that the prosecution of Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva was built primarily on psychological and linguistic examinations?

Reviewed:Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Both refs 1 and 5 for both hooks verified and seems reliable. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Tweaked ALT1 just now, but I prefer the original hook in any case. Khazar (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist

• ... that when Dan Savage's book Savage Love was published, his advice column of the same name had 4 million readers?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 03:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Manal al-Sharif. -- Cirt (talk) 03:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Reference appears to check out, wikilinks seem appropriate, length is fine, article is well-written. On a side note, I've been seeing Savage mentioned at an uncommon frequency. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Jones's wood

• ... that Jones's Wood, a wooded estate on the island of Manhattan overlooking the East River, was touted as a site for what became Central Park?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Skipping Towards Gomorrah.--Wetman (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Print ref accepted, size and hook verified. Coordinates for the general area would be a nice addition.Acroterion (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Rose Bay Secondary College

• ... that a number of highly gifted primary school (elementary school) aged students attend Rose Bay Secondary College for a day a week across a school term to undertake advanced studies in a number of areas?

5x expanded by Danjel (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• With thanks to User:Kudpung for copyediting the final draft.
• DYK Check seems to be inaccurately reporting the expansion (at least here). So, to make sure... The previous edit was: Prose size (text only): 1263 characters (204 words); the new version is: Prose size (text only): 8978 characters (1448 words). -danjel (talk to me) 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Islanding [[11]] and Charles Edward Keyser [[12]]. -danjel (talk to me) 14:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 27

Howard Robertson (architect)

• ... that Howard Robertson, with Le Corbusier, Markelius, and others, was on the Board of Design which helped Wallace Harrison to design the United Nations Headquarters (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Juliusz Karol Kunitzer (diff)

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self nom at 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• impressive, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Great Britain at the 1972 Summer Paralympics

• ... that Philip Craven, current President of the International Paralympic Committee, competed in athletics, swimming and wheelchair basketball for Great Britain at the 1972 Summer Paralympics?

• Reviewed: John Gilbert Cooper, Miravan ([13])

Created by Doh5678 (talk), Basement12 (talk). Nominated by Basement12 (talk) at 00:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go as far as the criteria are concerned. (Ref 4 used to verify.) On a different note, is there a good reason some of the "main" links are to 1968 events (perhaps you copied it over?). Also, you've probably done lots of these without, but it might be worth considering whether Northern Ireland attended separately, or else why it is "Great Britain" are competing (I feel I ought to know, but I don't). In addition, do we have articles on wheelchair athletics or swimming that might be more useful to the reader? Doesn't need them, it's fine as it is. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

All good questions. Links to 1968 were because I'm a moron who lost track of which year I was editing at the time. Actually most of these articles do mention the GB vs UK naming issue (one of the favourite subjects for edit wars on Para/O-lympic articles) and I've added such now. A Paralympic swimming article exists but Paralympic athletics is included in the main athletics article - Basement12 (T.C) 22:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Philip Primrose

• ... that police officer and future Lieutenant Governor of Alberta Philip Primrose was a distant cousin to the Earls of Rosebery?

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Connell Fort Connormah (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Expansion confirmed, date is also good, but the hook is not cited in the article. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• New offline cite accepted in good faith. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Tambora language

• ... that Tambora, a Papuan language, was once spoken in the middle of Indonesia near Bali, far to the west of Papua, until the trading state that used it was wiped out by the eruption of Mount Tambora in 1815?

Created by User:Kwamikagami (talk). Self nom at 10:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Which is the main article? Papuan langauge or Tambora culture?--Nvvchar. 11:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Neither the bolded article (Papuan language) nor the other one (Tambora culture) has been 5x expanded. The correct article, Tambora language, is new, but is not used in the hook. I'll notify Kwamikagami. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why "Papuan language" was bold. Reworded to put the article in the hook. — kwami (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

WASP-13b

• ... that extrasolar planet WASP-13b's low mass is most likely attributed to the planetary core's low-to-nonexistent mass?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics --Starstriker7^(Talk) 02:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Comment: a core can't have non-existent mass. The claim is that there may be no core. — kwami (talk) 10:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

In which case the centre of the planet is a vacuum: was this really in a scientific publication of some repute? Kevin McE (talk) 12:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No, they mean there is no differentiated rocky or metallic core, as we think there is in Jupiter. That is, just (liquified) gas all the way down, like a star, with no denser material at the center. Or not much of a core at the center. — kwami (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1:... that extrasolar planet WASP-13b's low mass is most likely attributed to a core of very low mass, or to the total lack of a core? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Lola Sanchez

• ... that Lola Sanchez was a spy during the American Civil War who provided information to the Confederate Army which led them to a victory over the Union Forces in the "Battle of Horse Landing"?

Created by Tony the Marine (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom 28 May 2011

• Length, date and ref all check out fine. Good to go. Harrias ^talk 22:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Phonon noise

• ... that phonon noise is a major source of noise in a cryogenically cooled superconducting transition edge sensor?

Created by Teply (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Source London

• ... that Source London, a newly launched network of electric vehicle charging points, is the first to operate city-wide?

Created by DavidCane (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed The Kid [14]--DavidCane (talk) 01:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out. Miyagawa (talk) 21:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Argentina at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, South Africa at the 1972 Summer Paralympics, Australia at the 1972 Summer Paralympics

• ... that Argentina, South Africa and Australia sent teams to the 1972 Summer Paralympics?

Created by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 00:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviwed: Mel Mazzera

Argentina: Newness, length, and referencing check out. An article has been reviewed. My only note is that Argentina's portion of the hook, where it sent a delegation, is not directly cited anywhere in the article.

South Africa: Same issue as with Argentina.

Australia: Same issue as with both Argentina and South Africa. Once the beginning portion of each article, where it states that they did indeed send delegations, is directly cited, these three should be good to go. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

All three are covered by the source in the second sentence saying how many athletes were in the delegation (and for that matter any of the source in the articles which show results for athletes at the Games). Unless you're worried about the word delegation itsel;f in which case you'd be lucky to find a source and perhaps "team" or "athletes" would be a more appropriate choice - Basement12 (T.C) 12:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Done. Doh5678 Talk 21:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Corrected hook from "sent a team" to "sent teams", the three teams were separate - Basement12 (T.C) 22:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

African Owl

• ... that the African Owl is actually a pigeon?

• Reviewed: Parson Capen House

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 23:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Anyone have any idea if this is the shortest DYK hook ever? OCNative (talk) 08:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• It isn't: a quick look revealed this from April 2004, which is a whole one character shorter!

• ... that exploding head syndrome isn't fatal? Harrias ^talk 09:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

And yet they are both completely worthy of a look. Great expansion, by the way. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

If it passes muster, my DYK for Allen Forward on the 31st would be a pretty short one. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Brief and to the point. Verified this and it is good to go Maple Leaf (talk) 00:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Mel Mazzera

• ... that Mel Mazzera's performance for the minor league San Diego Padres led to the formation of a "Mel Mazzera Day" on August 30, 1942?

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Third DYK, don't need to give a review. Albacore (talk) 21:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Doh5678 Talk 01:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hidase Dam

• ... that Ethiopian foreign minister Hailemariam Desalegn danced to celebrate Egypt's consent to the Hidase Dam?

Created by NortyNort and (Simfan34). Nom at 21:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 00:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• This article was DYK already as Millennium Dam. The editor did a cut/paste move to another name for the dam. I resolved it with them.--NortyNort (Holla) 20:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Argentina at the 1964 Summer Paralympics

• ... that at the 1964 Summer Paralympics, Argentina won 37 medals, including 6 golds?

Created by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: MTV Unplugged: Los Tigres del Norte and Friends

Date, hook, length all check out. Please do fix ref #3 here, though--the "Rome1960" doesn't have text attached. Khazar (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Done Doh5678 Talk 07:18, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant

• ... that the book The Kid by Dan Savage was optioned for television by Robin Williams and also adapted into an Off-Broadway musical?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed Olaf Alfred Hoffstad. -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

No problems here. Impressive - looks almost ready for GAN --DavidCane (talk) 01:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Olaf Alfred Hoffstad

• ... that Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad taught at Sandefjord Upper Secondary School for almost 43 years?

• ALT1:... Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad served as Major of Sandefjord the longest time any person not born in the city ever had served?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed George Tyler Wood below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
• , size checks out, referencing is meticulous, offline ref accepted in good faith. -- Cirt (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• You are welcome! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Damo and Ivor

• ... that Damo and Ivor are the same person?

Alt1... that Irish comedy duo Damo and Ivor are the same person?

Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the orginal, its nice and snappy and slightly mysterious but put up ALT1 in case the original is too short. GainLine ♠ _♥ 15:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

My 25th DYK all going well! : ) GainLine ♠ _♥ 12:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Lysimachia asperulifolia

Good to go, I prefer the first hook as well. Congratulations on you soon-to-be 25th DYK! jonkerz♠ 17:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

George Tyler Wood

• ... that Texas Governor George Tyler Wood resigned his elected office at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit?

• Reviewed: Eurypterus ([15])

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• - 5x expansion verified, date ok, but the hook needs an inline citation. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Redundant citation added for reviewer unable to understand how two contiguous sentences can be sourced to a single citation.[16] --Allen3 ^talk 17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please refrain from such personal attacks. I know perfectly well that multiple sentences, even a whole paragraph can be supported with one cite. However, the ref should also be cited immediatly after the hook sentence whilst the article is on the Main Page. You can of course remove it when the DYK is over. Cheers. --Eisfbnore ^talk 19:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Shouldn't it be Senator Wood rather than Governor Wood? He resigned as Senator to command the unit. He didn't become Governor until after his military service (granted immediately after, but still after). OCNative (talk) 13:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with OCN: there was no Governor GT Wood before the Mexican-American war. Suggest ... that George Tyler Wood, later Governor of Texas, resigned his seat on the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit? Kevin McE (talk) 21:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem with this change is that members of legislatures (i.e. one of many resigning) resigning during a time of war to join the military is a fairly common occurrence, and thus generates a rather mundane hook fact in comparison to the resignation of a chief executive. As reviewers appear unwilling to use initial hook then I would suggest ALT2: ... that the campaign of George Tyler Wood for Governor of Texas was aided by Isaac Van Zandt dying from yellow fever? --Allen3 ^talk 21:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

We could still catch the spirit of the original hook (and spice it up a little), with this ALT:
ALT3:... that George Tyler Wood resigned from the Texas Senate at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit but was elected Governor of Texas at the end of that same war? OCNative (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see User:Rjanag/DYK mantra for an explanation as to why run on suggestions like ALT3 make bad hooks. --Allen3 ^talk 11:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Tanzania

• ... that the wildlife of Tanzania includes some plant species unique to Tanzania, such as the African violet (pictured)?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT I hook ... that the Crowned crane (pictured) found in all game-viewing locations in the wildlife of Tanzania is the national bird of Tanzania?--Nvvchar. 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Moved from my user page to main space today.--Nvvchar. 08:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• User:Dr. Blofeld is also joint contributor.--Nvvchar. 12:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added Dr. Blofeld to your nom. OCNative (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1 hook seems poorly substantiated: the external source that it seems based on is the commercial site of a travel company, and its comment about where the Crowned Crane can be seen is "can be seen in the Ngorongoro Crater as well as other game viewing locations. " That is a long way short of claiming that it is "found in all game-viewing locations". Kevin McE (talk) 20:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Since the hook is referenced to a commercial site and is also overstated, I have removed this reference. I suggest the following alternative hook instead. I have added one more reliable reference in the article to support the reworded text also

• Alt 2 Hook ... that the conservation status of Grey Crowned Cranes (pictured) found in wetland-grassland habitats of Eastern and Southern Africa including the Tanzania is listed as vulnerable?--Nvvchar. 03:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Rmv ALT1 per note on my talkpage. Original hook or ALT2 should be problem free. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

MTV Unplugged: Los Tigres del Norte and Friends

• ... that a live album released by the band Los Tigres del Norte was named "historic" for the Mexican culture?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 06:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Mitch McDeere. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Doh5678 Talk 18:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Paul Kamara

• ... that award-winning journalist Paul Kamara has also been a priest, a cabinet minister, and the manager of Sierra Leone's national football team?

Reviewed:2011 Manhattan terrorism plot

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Vivienne Osborne

• ... that after Vivienne Osborne appeared in the Flo Ziegfeld musical The Three Musketeers, Douglas Fairbanks Sr. asked her to appear in his Musketeer film sequel, the The Iron Mask?

• Comment: reviewed From Dust [17] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Short by 467 characters of prose, according to DYKCheck. Meph^talk 04:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Now at 1537.[18] Thanks for the good eyes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Recheck the hook for close paraphrasing. Meph^talk 06:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Article re-organized for flow and close paraphrasing addressed. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Vivienne Osborne was offered a role in Douglas Fairbanks's last silent film, the Musketeer film sequel The Iron Mask, following her earlier role in the Flo Ziegfeld musical The Three Musketeers?

Ready. Meph^talk 08:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

From Dust

• ... that inspired by a trip to an active volcano in 2005, French video game creator Eric Chahi studied volcanology while designing the video game From Dust?

5x expanded by Mephistophelian (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• 6.5x + Expansion good. Okay to go as soon a nominator reviews one himself. He's been notified.[19] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nom reviewed #Vivienne Osborne, and helped create a better hook. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to improve the hook further, before it goes live. If anyone else has any additional feedback, I'd be grateful. Thank you. Meph^talk 04:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. As it waits to cycle, you'll have plenty of time. :) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest cutting the "with Ubisoft as its publisher"--less interesting info that dilutes the punch of the rest. Very nice hook on the whole, though. Khazar (talk) 07:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that French video game creator Eric Chahi studied volcanology, and an inspirational visit to an active volcano led him to start designing the game From Dust in 2005?

Is the alt. version an improvement? Meph^talk 08:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2... that inspired by a trip to an active volcano in 2005, French video game creator Eric Chahi studied volcanology while designing the video game From Dust?

Suggested alt. First was 2005 visit, then was research, then was game. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 19:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Let's go with ALT2. Meph^talk 19:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3... that inspired by a trip to the highly active Mount Yasur volcano in 1999, French video game creator Eric Chahi designed the video game From Dust?

There were several trips; 1999 appears to be the inspirational one. Meph^talk 06:41, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 28

2010 in women's ice hockey

• ... that in 2010 in women's ice hockey, the Minnesota Whitecaps became the first women's ice hockey team from the United States to claim the Clarkson Cup?

Created by Maple_Leaf (Maple_Leaf). Self nom, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

2011 in women's ice hockey

• ... that in 2011 in women's ice hockey, Hilary Knight scored the game-winning goal as the United States defeated Canada in a 3-2 overtime in the gold-medal game at the IIHF World Women’s Championships?

Created by Maple_Leaf (Maple_Leaf). Self nom, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Giggle incontinence

• ... that giggle incontinence, the involuntary release of urine in response to giggling or laughter, may be related to cataplexy, a sudden transient episode of loss of muscle tone often triggered by strong emotions?

Created by CliffC (talk). Self nom at 12:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• very nice. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Djibouti

• ... that the medicinal plant khat (pictured), endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men and its effect is a state of euphoria?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Tibetan Prayer (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Rosiestep (talk) at 03:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• This nom has already been promoted, with an awkward hook. This hook is more interesting. Thus returned previous hook from preps and suggest to run another round of review. Materialscientist (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook suggested now is fine with me.--Nvvchar. 04:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems odd to describe something that causes coronary vasoconstriction, myocardial infarction, depression, paranoia, anxiety, irritation, sleeping difficulties, impotence, gastrointestinal tract problems, and oral cancer as a medicinal plant. It is a psychotropic social drug. Kevin McE (talk) 11:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I never heard of khat before reading 2 pages about it last night in an online book. I used the phrase medicinal plant as the hook's references comes from the book entitled: Handbook of African medicinal plants. I'll offer up an alt, removing "medicinal plant", but note that I also have no objection to sticking with Nvv's original hook, which I was unaware of when I nom'ed the article last night. ALT1: ... that khat (pictured), endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men and one of its effects is a state of euphoria? --Rosiestep (talk) 13:27, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The 90% bit is the focus of interest: extraordinary. Hook is overlinked; at least unlink the dictionary word "euphoria". I've tweaked it. ALT2: ... that khat (pictured), which induces a state of euphoria and is endemic to Djibouti, is chewed by 90% of the men? Tony (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

previous review

... that in the wildlife of Djibouti (pictured a forest plant), in the harsh terrain, forests account for less than one percent of the total land area of the country? Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Tibetan Prayer (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 08:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Reviewed Forrest McClendon--Nvvchar. 08:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Date, length, hook, and image are all fine. Qrsdogg (talk) 00:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ben Auerbach

• ... that the 1939–40 NYU Violets men's basketball team, led by Ben Auerbach, finished the regular season with an 18–1 record yet did not play in a postseason tournament?

• Reviewed: Bojana Radulović

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Not sure whether the principal sources meet Wikipedia's reliability standards, but setting that aside for now, I note these other issues: The relevant source cited in the article say that it was the 1940–41 season (not 1939–40) that ended 18–1 and without postseason play, and also says Auerbach was caption "in 1941" (the NYU Athletics page says "in 1940", but from other date formatting there, it seems clear that they mean the 1940–41 season). SJ Morg (talk) 08:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• Another point I forgot to mention above: The only source the article gives for dates of birth and death is a link that, at least on my browser, only goes to a blank-fields version of the SSDI page, and if I then manually enter Benjamin Auerbach's name, I get 8 results, at least two of which have birth dates that could plausibly be someone who played basketball in college in 1939. Do you have another source for the dates of birth and death (or at least one of those)? SJ Morg (talk) 09:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• You were right about him being a captain in his senior year of 1940–41, so that part is erroneous. However, it is correct that they went 18–1 in 1939–40 when he was a junior. I'm not sure what you read that would indicate otherwise (?). I've removed "captain" from the hook.
• The reason I know his birth and death dates from SSDI is two-fold: historical context, and age when graduated. Back in the early days of college basketball, players did not travel all over the country to play for teams except for only the biggest of the big (i.e., in the 1930s and 1940s, a California native would not have gone anywhere but California or Nevada to play college basketball unless it was the University of Kentucky, for instance). A school like NYU especially did not draw talent from the state of Ohio, which would eliminate the one quasi-feasible option. Hence, the New York-born Auerbach is the one who played at NYU. The other reason is if it were the Auerbach who was born on October 31, 1917, that would make him very close to age 24 when he graduated in 1941. That's extremely old to be graduating college (and once again, it wasn't uncommon for students to graduate younger back then, such as 20 years old). The likelihood that (a) he was raised in Ohio but played for NYU, and (b) he was almost 24 when he graduated, made it pretty simple to use the other DOB/DOD option. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• My confusion over which season was the one mentioned in the hook resulted from my misreading the jewsinsports text, which refers to each season by only a single year, causing me to think that "1940" meant the 1940–41 season. Looking at it again, I see that "1940" there meant 1939–40, so the hook is OK.
  However, regarding the birth and death dates: Sorry, but your process and explanation simply are not good enough for Wikipedia. You haven't identified any source that explicitly states that this Ben Auerbach was born on the specific date you gave or died on the specific date you gave. If you had a source for one date or the other, then you could use SSDI for the other one, but you have neither. It doesn't matter how logical your reasoning is, you are still making some assumptions to reach the conclusion that the specific set of dates you found in SSDI refer to this Benjamin Auerbach. As it is, the article has no source for either date, and even your main source (the jewsinsports page) says "unknown" for both of these dates (not even a year for either). Those dates need to be removed entirely from the article until and unless someone finds an actual source for them. You might consider putting a note on the article's talk page giving those dates and your theory as to why you believe they probably refer to the specific Ben Auerbach being written about here, as a possible aid to someone who might be interested in researching it. (BTW, I tried some Googling myself, as well as a search of a newspaper obit database that I can access through my library, to see if I could find something, and found nothing useful.)
  Beyond that, I still have serious misgivings about the suitability of your other sources. Except for the NYU Athletics page, which gives just two sentences on the subject, all of your other citations are from two blogs, and blogs are not generally considered reliable sources for Wikipedia (with certain exceptions). I hope the other DYKs you've been credited with (according to your user page) used better sources. I'd welcome input from another editor on this, since I am a novice at reviewing DYK nominations, but if the dates issue is dealt with, I would consider approving it under rule D13. SJ Morg (talk) 07:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

This just occurred to me: How do you even know he's dead? He could still be alive, in his 90s, and in that case he wouldn't be in the SSDI at all. For all we know, this article could be a BLP, which would raise the bar even higher. SJ Morg (talk) 11:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the DOB/DOD and put it on the talk page like you recommended. I'm fine with the removal. However, this player clearly passes WP:NBASKETBALL and also notability thresholds for college athletes. He won a major award (as determined by its inclusion on {{College Basketball Awards}}), not to mention he played professionally in a league that preceded the NBA. JewsInSports has been used as a reference in other DYKs, so I'm not sure why it's suddenly not appropos. I appreciate your thoroughness in the review, however, so I'm hoping that we can meet halfway with this DOB/DOD removal. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Algerine (horse)

• ... that the American Thoroughbred racehorse Algerine won the 1876 Belmont Stakes without winning another race beforehand?

Created by Froggerlaura (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Meanest Genie -Froggerlaura (talk)

• Date, length, and hook are all fine. My only concern is that the final paragraph is un-cited. Qrsdogg (talk) 00:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Added references to the final paragraph. Froggerlaura (talk) 00:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Alright, looks like it's good to go then. Qrsdogg (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Forrest McClendon

• ... that Forrest McClendon earned a 2011 Tony Award nomination for his début performance on Broadway?

Created by Scanlan (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook references are in order. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Among the Truthers

• ... that in the book Among the Truthers Jonathan Kay argues that the popularity of conspiracy theories in the United States is in part due to the influence of deconstruction?

Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 23:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Tadeusz Vetulani Qrsdogg (talk) 23:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go, nice to see some book articles.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook is overlinked: don't you want them to click through to the bolded article? Won't they access the other links there? "more farfetched, paranoid conspiracies are gaining adherents in the United States"—ambiguous (greater numbers of, or more intensely far-fetched ..."?); needs to be fixed in the article. Perhaps a more exciting hook would be this, since readers love a bit of conflict:

ALT1 ... that Among the Truthers argues there is growing popularity in the US for far-fetched, paranoid conspiracies, though some reviewers have raised issues about the book's focus and political claims? [198 ch] Tony (talk) 16:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. You're right, that sentence was ambiguous, I've reworded it a bit. I have no problems with using your suggested ALT1, although I do prefer "U.S." rather than "US". Qrsdogg (talk) 02:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Lodger (opera)

• ... that the libretto for Phyllis Tate's opera The Lodger was written by singer and broadcaster David Franklin?

Created by GuillaumeTell (talk). Self nom at 10:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Berwick Rangers F.C. 1-0 Rangers F.C.. --GuillaumeTell 11:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Offline ref approved (in good faith), but article is too short to be DYK'd. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hm, looks as if I must have included the roles table in the count. I'll see if I can pad it out a bit more, though sources, whether on- or off-line are difficult to find. --GuillaumeTell 15:02, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• OK, I've added some more text, and there are now 1714 characters of prose (excluding headings). --GuillaumeTell 17:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good. Heading over for minor cleanup. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:36, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

John Gilbert Cooper, Miravan

• ... that Joseph Wright of Derby's painting of Miravan's revulsion as he breaks open a tomb (detail pictured) is based on a story retold by John Gilbert Cooper?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 10:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed Heliopithecus Victuallers (talk) 10:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Lengths, dates and hook refs all good. Not sure the image looks fantastic at that size but i'll leave it for the admin adding to the queue to decide if the hook goes forward with or without it - Basement12 (T.C) 00:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I think Joseph Wright of Derby should be unpiped. I've seen his work many times in museums, and I've never seen his name without the "of Derby". Also, is "revulsed" a word? Maybe "Miravan being revulsed" should be replaced with "Miravan's revulsion". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

As reviewer I can confirm than revulsed is indeed a word, but I can see the desire for a more common phrasing. I can also confirm that I know naff all about art so I'll duck out of the piping conversation - Basement12 (T.C) 01:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

tweaked those suggestions Victuallers (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

MV Empire Darwin

• ... that a Hawker Sea Hurricane from Empire Darwin was involved in the last action flown from a CAM ship, shooting down a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 on 28 July 1943?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed New Waddell Dam. Mjroots (talk) 09:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Heliopithecus

• ... that the powerful teeth and jaws of Heliopithecus may have played a key role in the spread of Hominoids from Africa into Eurasia, 17 million years ago?

• reviewed: Citizens' War Memorial, William Trethewey Regstuff (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Regstuff (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• fine Victuallers (talk) 10:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

No. 1 Long Range Flight RAAF

• ... that the Royal Australian Air Force's No. 1 Long Range Flight was formed to compete in the 1953 London to Christchurch air race?

5x expanded by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've just reviewed Muhammad Al-Saqr (below). Nick-D (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expansion (192 words to 1276) and other requirements check out. Wasted Time R (talk) 20:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Muhammad Al-Saqr

• ... that Muhammad Al-Saqr won an International Press Freedom Award for his work as a journalist before becoming chairman of the Arab Parliament?

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• References check out, so this is good to go. Nick-D (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Connell Fort

• ... that during his tenure as mayor of Minden, Louisiana, Connell Fort worked to rid his city of mosquitoes, laid natural gas lines, and built the municipal sewerage system?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT:=... that in 1933, John L. Fort, a son of Mayor Connell Fort of Minden, Louisiana, shot to death Brisco Nation, a city council member who had quarreled with the mayor?

Reviewed Troy Yocum

• - Looks all good. I'm fine with either hook. Connormah (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

St Giles' Church, Ickenham

• ... that the oldest parts of St Giles' Church in Ickenham were built in 1335?

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Tunbridge Wells Cricket Week

Refs, hook, length, newness ok. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Troy Yocum

• ... that Troy Yocum, who is currently hiking 7,000 miles (11,000 km) across the United States, once tried to set a Guinness world record?

Created by TParis (talk). Self nom at 21:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I edited the article and changed the first name references to last names. Location of high school needed. There is not that much on him, he being only 31. The hook refers to a Guiness record, but what record? I think the article needs more work. Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I've addressed the high school and Guinness record issues. Please use appropriate templates next time instead of adding comments into the prose of articles.--v/r - TP 00:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Armored Rat

• ... that the Armored Rat (pictured) has spines which grow up to 33 millimetres (1.3 in) in length?

• Reviewed: Paula Barbieri

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 20:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Great hook, btw. Khazar (talk) 05:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ali Salem

• ... that Civil Courage Prize laureate Ali Salem was ostracized by the Egyptian intellectual community following a 1994 book in which he promoted peace with Israel?

Reviewed: Hamill (film)

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 19:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length just about right without spaces. Date and hook references verified. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 11:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hamill (film)

• ... that Hamill, an upcoming biographical film about deaf mixed martial artist Matt Hamill, will use sporadic sound and incomplete subtitles?

Created by Erik (talk). Self nom at 15:33, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Length and date check out, and an interesting and well-reffed hook. I'll have to remember this one for my Netflix queue. Khazar (talk) 19:20, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Ilocos Sur's 1st legislative district special election, 2011

• ... that both candidates in the 2011 special congressional election in Ilocos Sur's 1st district claimed they had the endorsement of the Liberal Party of the Philippines?

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hermanus van Wyk. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date okay. Online ref supports hook. Good referencing throughout. Good to go! Binksternet (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Kafka's Soup

• ... that recipes from the literary pastiche Kafka's Soup were used as audition pieces by a theatre company in the West country?

Created by User:Ka Faraq Gatri (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment Could someone with a good knowledge of French just check the three French articles cited just to make sure I haven't misinterpreted them. I think it's OK but I'd like to be sure.
• ALT1... that a live performance of the French translation of Kafka's Soup included a sung recipe for onion tart? Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• ; loving the first alt hook! Ironholds (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Hermanus van Wyk

• ... that the Basters under Hermanus van Wyk (pictured, third from left) were ready to pay £2,750 for their land around Rehoboth but got it for free after they signed a protection treaty with Imperial Germany?

• Reviewed: Leipzig University Library ([20])

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 13:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook and article should be OK, but the fact that he did not pay anything should be explicitly stated. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• I put in the required sentence and changed a number of other things but I feel I should admit that this is not explicitly backed up by the source. Protection treaties did not involve any land sales and no money was exchanged in any of them. Implicitly the second hook part is supported, as the Pound Sterling price and the invalidation of the deal are meticulously documented, as well as that the land has been theirs ever since. If you feel this is too close to WP:OR I will try to find a source on how those deals were generally conducted--to find a reference for something that did not happen is always difficult. --Pgallert (talk) 11:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I provided the reference as suggested (by myself). --Pgallert (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Leipzig University Library

• ... that Leipzig University Library (pictured) is one of the oldest German university libraries?

• ALT1 ... that the Leipzig University Library (pictured) houses one of the oldest known Islamic manuscripts in the world?

• ALT2 ... that the Leipzig University Library (pictured) houses 43 leaves of the Codex Sinaiticus?

• Reviewed: Auf Christi Himmelfahrt allein, BWV 128 ([21], [22])

Created by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Nominated by Leszek Jańczuk (talk) at 11:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, picture license, and hook refs (also ALT1 and 2) are okay. Slightly changed the wording in ALT1 and 2. --Pgallert (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

List of common English usage misconceptions

• ... that many sentences in "first-rate writing" begin with conjunctions such as "and" or "but"?

• ALT1:... that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use only a single space between sentences?
• ALT2:... that there's nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition?

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hooks, length, respective refs, and date seems all worth the review to me, but the topic needs to be bolded at the lead. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, this is my first try at a DYK nom. Perhaps these will work? Or perhaps the bolded wikilink should read: "common English usage misconception"?

• ... that it is a common misconception that the conjunctions "and" and "but" cannot begin a sentence?
• ALT3:... that it is a common misconception that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use two spaces between sentences?
• ALT4:... that it is a common misconception that a sentence cannot end with a preposition? --Airborne84 (talk) 22:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems ok to me as previously mentioned above. The topic is now bolded in article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I like the previous alts 1 and 2, so numbered the latest hook versions as 3 and 4 respectively. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

In ALT 3, it is not a misconception that professional publications use double spacing: it is a misconception that such publications must or always use double spacing. By the same token, the word some would need to be inserted before professionally in ALT1 Kevin McE (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• First hook is ambiguous: "tsk tsk, look what those first-rate writers do? ALT1 same problem. ALT2 is OK, but a bit hackneyed. ALT3 "with ... with". ALT4 "that ... that" (remove the first). Tony (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to overwrite the text above, so I'll repost the modified versions below; that way the earlier versions are visible above. I deleted ALT 3 as it was redundant and added ALT 4.

• ... it is a common misconception that the conjunctions "and" and "but" cannot begin a sentence?

• ALT1:... it is a common misconception that professionally printed books, magazines, and newspapers use two spaces between sentences?
• ALT2:... that there's nothing wrong with ending a sentence with a preposition?

Created by Airborne84 (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3:... it is a common misconception that a sentence cannot end with a preposition?
• ALT4:... it is a common misconception that infinitives cannot be split?

For ALT 1, I tried to stay true to the misconception as related by the author at Type Desk. --Airborne84 (talk) 17:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 5 ... that a preposition is something that a sentence can end with?

ALT 6 ... that it is not necessarily wrong to, in written English, split an infinitive? Kevin McE (talk) 13:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Well done! --Airborne84 (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree, vote ALT6 for humor value. Khazar (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT 7 ... that, in written English, it is not necessarily wrong to split an infinitive? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe ALT 7 is a better version of ALT 6? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's a better version. ALT 6 is more "in your face" and more people may see the humor, but is a bit halting. The split in ALT 7 is more subtle and will be recognized by fewer people, but the prose flows smoother (IMHO). --Airborne84 (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Of my two suggestions, I prefer ALT5: couldn't find a natural sounding way of splitting the infinitive. Maybe the subtlety eludes me: in what way is ALT 7 an example of splitting the infinitive? Kevin McE (talk) 12:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC).

My mistake. It's not a split infinitive. I just like the wording.

Any of the hooks above seem fine, but the ones with the most interest seem to be those about the prepositions and the split infinitives. --Airborne84 (talk) 01:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Omar Belhouchet

• ... that in 1993, the car of Algerian journalist Omar Belhouchet was machine-gunned while he was driving his children to school?

Reviewed:Argentina at the 1964 Summer Paralympics

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• All seems to check out OK. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Modeste Mutinga

• ... that Modeste Mutinga won an international prize for his journalism before being elected to the Senate of the Democratic Republic of the Congo?

Reviewed: Luis Durango

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:10, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Luis Durango

• ... that in 2006, San Diego Padres outfielder Luis Durango (pictured) was timed running from home plate to first base in 3.4 seconds?

• Reviewed: Albie Grant

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 03:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I know this shouldn't be next in line, but I can't resist the baseball ones. Date, length, hook ref all good to go. Very nice expansion, and good hook. Kudos! Khazar (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Splendid image. Perhaps this should be a lead hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ignorant question from someone who knows nothing about baseball: how far is it between the home plate and second base? Apterygial ^talk 10:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

90 feet. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but my point is that this should be in the hook, because it's essentially meaningless to someone who doesn't follow baseball. Apterygial ^talk 11:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I disagree. Those who want to learn more about the rules of American baseball can click on the link for first base; trying to add them in here would make the hook pretty clunky. In any case, I think it's pretty clear this is a "good" time, or it wouldn't be on a list like this. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 16:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

La Esmeralda Dam

• ... that La Esmeralda Dam supplies 8% of Colombia's power demand?

Created/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 07:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hara hachi bu

• Look good to go. Ben MacDui 15:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

R v Baillie

• ... that Thomas Erskine's speech in the case of R v Baillie earned him a standing ovation? Credit to myself and User:Fluffernutter. Reviewed Kafka's Soup. Ironholds (talk) 01:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length good to go; well-referenced and researched piece from the look of it; offline hook source accepted IGF. Nice piece. Khazar (talk) 05:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Qatar at the 2010 Asian Para Games

• ... that Qatar at the 2010 Asian Para Games had only male athletes to take part in this inaugural Asian Para Games?

• ALT1:... that Qatar sent only male athletes to the inaugural Asian Para Games?
• ALT2:... that Qatar was one of the three nations that sent only male athletes to the inaugural Asian Para Games?

Created by Bill william compton (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Whichever blurb is preferred, the the before Qatar is redundant: only ALT1, even after that, is grammatically sound, and then the preposition should be to rather than in. Article looks very much like a translation, or the output of a non-native English speaker: I've had a bit of a go at improving the English in it, but others might want a look.

Yes, I'm not a native English speaker, so sometimes make such grammatical errors, sorry for that; also this article was made in hurry, because I just have too much on my plate at the moment. Is there any other problem? — Bill william compton^Talk 13:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 29

Wardah Hafidz

• ... that Gwangju Prize for Human Rights winner Wardah Hafidz was evicted after disclosing that numerous groups had used social security funds for "money politics"?

Created by Khazar (talk), Crisco 1492 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 09:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviewed: John Weir (loyalist) diff. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Imitation of Christ

• ... that the ideal of the Imitation of Christ, has been an important element of both Christian ethics and spirituality?

5 x expanded by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 5:41, June 1 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed (other article reviewed by nominator): Gita Dhyanam just below. History2007 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the G-books link to verify the hook. History2007 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Length and date are both fine, great expansion there. The hook is ok, but it is slightly overlinked and rather basic. Suggest ALT1... that while Saint Francis of Assisi advocated a path of poverty as the Imitation of Christ, Thomas à Kempis presented a path based on a focus on the interior life? Qrsdogg (talk) 18:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually to be correct the alt would need to differentiate on outward preaching not poverty. Like Francis, Kempis was no Donald Trump look alike, but Kempis did not advocate active preaching, while Francis did. So that may be a little bit too complicated to explain in a DYK-telegram. And the reason I did not bring Kempis into the hook was that his book is so well known, and the idea of Imitation pre-dated him - that was why I started on the expansion path a few days ago, just to clarify that the ideal pre-dated Kempis. History2007 (talk) 20:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

As ALT2 we could try:

... that the ideal of the Imitation of Christ goes back to the earliest days of Christianity?

That may be easier to say in one sentence, and not controversial. And it will also echo the message of the article that "the ideal of imitation existed long before the 14th century" and the Devotio Moderna movement, etc.History2007 (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT2 works, although it isn't too surprising. Tough to find something real interesting yet accurate here. Qrsdogg (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Gita Dhyanam

• ... that the Gita Dhyanam, known as the Invocation to the Bhagavad Gita, compares the Upanishads to cows, and claims that God's grace can make the dumb speak?

Created by Presearch (talk). Self nom at 19:41, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed (other article reviewed by nominator): Ministry of Tourism (Ghana) (DIFF)

• Look good. History2007 (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Brian Dallimore

• ... that after playing nine seasons in the minor leagues and being labelled a journeyman, Brian Dallimore made his Major League debut as a 30-year-old and hit a grand slam for his first major league hit?

• Reviewed: Claiming exemption, this only my 2nd DYK nomination.

Created by Bagumba (talk). Self nom at 09:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

You are assuming that the reader will know which sport this jargon belongs to. There are vast swathes of the world in which knowledge of baseball (and I only know that that is the sport in question because I can see the link destinations) is near zero. Kevin McE (talk) 12:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Interestingly you don't apply this to non-U.S. sport related ones. Can a English-speaking Chinese understand the hook at Robert Ramsay (cricketer), George Nash (cricketer)? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 16:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

That English speaking Chinese person will know that cricket is being discussed, because it says that professional cricketer George Nash ...: there was no such clue in this hook initially. Thanks to Baguma, there is now. Kevin McE (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Updated and specified "baseball" in "Major League Baseball":

ALT1 ... that after playing nine seasons in the minor leagues and being labelled a journeyman, Brian Dallimore made his Major League Baseball debut as a 30-year-old and hit a grand slam for his first major league hit? —Bagumba (talk) 18:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

John Weir (loyalist)

• ... that Royal Ulster Constabulary officer John Weir, who was convicted of a sectarian killing, had once considered joining the Irish Garda Siochana?

• Reviewed: Stephen Fry

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Length and date check out. Assuming good faith on the offline source. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Papyrus 49

• ... that according to German theologian Kurt Aland, Papyrus 49 (pictured) is one of three early manuscripts with the text of the Epistle to the Ephesians?

• Reviewed: Codex Vindobonensis 751 ([23])

5x expanded by Leszek Jańczuk (talk). Self nom at 00:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Papyrus 49 (pictured) was produced by the same scribe as Papyrus 65?

• Before expansion it had 1099 characters in prose, now it has over 5900. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Aland is an autonomous region of Finland, and is unlikely to have an authoritative viewpoint on biblical manuscripts. according to German theologian Kurt Aland, Papyrus 49 is one of three....

In ALT 1, the article only suggests that it is probable according to one scholar that the two documents have the same scribe: that is not an absolute assertion of fact. Kevin McE (talk) 12:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I should expand this article. Hatch, Welles and other palaeographers also believed that scribe was the same. Thanks. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Codex Vindobonensis 751

• ... that the ninth-century Codex Vindobonensis 751 contains a selection of the correspondence of Saint Boniface, as well as a mysterious palindrome and the oldest English poetic proverb?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bridge of Remembrance, Christchurch, below. I hope to have an image of the palindrome in the next two days. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Bridge of Remembrance, Christchurch

• ... that on Anzac Day 1923, Lord Jellicoe laid the cornerstone for the Bridge of Remembrance (pictured) and an invocation was made by Archbishop Churchill Julius?

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 20:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hotel Florida (Madrid)

• . As usual, good work Rosiestep. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Church of Saint Paraskevi, Nesebar

• ... that the richly decorated medieval churches of Saint Paraskevi and the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel (pictured) in Nesebar, Bulgaria, were both surmounted by bell towers which have not been preserved?

• Reviewed: Siege of Klis [24]

5x expanded by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 20:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, expansion and hook check out. Impressive work, as usual. Constantine ✍ 14:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Angel Delgadillo

• ... that Angel Delgadillo helped inspire the film Cars and has been called the "guardian angel of Route 66"?

• Reviewed: Enlil and Ninlil

Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 19:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• BarkingMoon (talk) 01:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Enlil and Ninlil

• ... that the setting of Nippur in the Sumerian creation myth of Enlil and Ninlil has been noted as "civitas dei", existing before the "axis mundi" and the creation of man?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Nueva Cádiz Paul Bedson

• Well, it all checks out but the source is in Spanish so I'll assume good faith there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for reviewing! I have improved the source "Miguel Ángel Borrás; Centre de Cultura Contemporània de Barcelona (2000). Joan Goodnick Westenholz, The Foundation Myths of Mesopotamian Cities, Divine Planners and Human Builder in La fundación de la ciudad: mitos y ritos en el mundo antiguo. Edicions UPC. pp. 48–. ISBN 9788483013878. Retrieved 29 May 2011." so it is clearer that Joan Westenholz discusses this in an English chapter of a Spanish book. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 21:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The Earthstopper

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• ... that the bankrupt dandy "Champagne Charlie" sold his inheritance including the painting Earthstopper on the banks of the Derwent (detail pictured)?

Created/expanded by Victuallers (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Carex hirta Victuallers (talk) 14:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date verified. Hook's ref requires paid subscription so accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Debate between Winter and Summer

• ... that Samuel Noah Kramer noted the Debate between Winter and Summer (scene(s) of seasons pictured) "is the closest extant Sumerian parallel to the Biblical Cain and Abel story" in the Book of Genesis (Genesis 4:1–16)?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Merkantilt biografisk leksikon Paul Bedson (talk) 15:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC) Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook's ok; article is not. "it's" ... please. Ellipsis points are three dots, not six, spaced left and right. The images seem to be trivial. Isn't there a better image of ancient Sumeria or an artefact from there? Tried Commons? Tony (talk) 15:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the Ellipsis and "it's". The images reflect Summer and Winter, the subject of the myth. I agree Summer alone appears trivial for the context of DYK?, so I've added winter as well (if Blofeld is going to have 2 images with his Wildlife of Tanzania, I feel I can too). This fits in with the Debate series where two images represent the disputants, I think they look great in series this way and these particular two conjure images of Winter and Summer pretty well, which I feel is appropriate in an ancient short story where natural phenomena are so personified, why shouldn't they be imaged? The stock Sumerian tablet or cuneiform images are certainly not as colourful. There is another good "summer winter" single image if you search commons although this doesn't fit with the other debates in the series, I guess it could be used if space is a premium. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've added the combo image as an alternative if needed along with specifying how one or both should be related in text. Hopefully this will help with review (hint hint) Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 00:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nueva Cádiz

• ... that the Venezuelan port town Nueva Cádiz, one of the first settlements in the Americas, was destroyed in 1541 by a hurricane or earthquake?

Created by Bender235 (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Dates and hook are ok. Length is too short, only c. 450 characters. Needs to be 1500. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 16:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Expanded. Enough? --bender235 (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Carra Castle, Antrim

• ... that Carra Castle was once occupied by Shane O'Neill who held Sorley Boy McDonnell as a prisoner there in 1565, and the McDonnell's later got their revenge by beheading O'Neill at the same castle during festivities?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 10:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Miguel GonzálezTibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:24, 30 May 2011(UTC)

• Presumably he was held there, not here. Suggest same either after, or instead of very. Kevin McE (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Made the Kevin McE recommended wording tweaks to the hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Miguel González

• ... that Chilean politician Miguel González (pictured) has been candidate in two municipal elections in Pichilemu, but has not been elected in any of them?

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Beauty (dog) Diego Grez (talk) 01:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks satisfactory.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's a very underwhelming hook: how many thousands of candidates for minor parties fail to get elected in local elections twice? Kevin McE (talk) 14:34, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I doubt the Party for Democracy is a minor party, but well... I think I'll expand this a bit more later, and I'll suggest another hook. Diego Grez (talk) 20:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

61st FIFA Congress

• ... that at the 61st FIFA Congress Sepp Blatter is the sole candidate for the FIFA presidency?

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Self nom at 23:19, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I am not seeing a source for the "sole candidate" claim. --Elonka 06:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Fixed. This is getting a lot of coverage now :) Gareth E Kegg (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• The source is good, thanks, but by the time that this gets approved for DYK, it's all going to be old news, since the vote is supposed to take place on Wednesday. Can we come up with a hook that's not time-sensitive? --Elonka 00:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

"... that the opening ceremony of the 61st FIFA Congress featured Grace Jones, a Hammered dulcimer player, ballet and a juggler?" Hope you like it :) The page got 1.3k views today! In the news candidate? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Recommend we wait until the Congress is over, and then pick one of the notable events from within it? It'll probably be a couple weeks before this shows up on the mainpage, so we can pick a good retrospect hook. BTW, length and date of article both check out, it's just the hook we need to decide on. --Elonka 18:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Beauty (dog)

• ... that the terrier Beauty was the first dog to be used for search and rescue work?

• Reviewed: The Bubble (Parks and Recreation)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Seems okay. Suggest ALT1: ... that the terrier Beauty is considered to be "the original rescue dog"? Diego Grez (talk) 01:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks,your ALT is better. Miyagawa (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Juliusz Karol Kunitzer

• ... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer died in the second assassination attempt on his life?

Created by Piotrus (talk), HerkusMonte (talk), MyMoloboaccount (talk). Self nom at 21:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed #16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance)

All checks out, except that "second assassination attempt" isn't cited. What we have is that he was assassinated and that there had been at least one previous attempt: for all we know it could have been the tenth attempt. I think it's just a matter of rewriting the hook, unless a citation for "second" can be added. Moonraker (talk) 19:47, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

All sources note that the 1893 attempt was the first, but I cannot find a crystal clear claim the 1905 was the second. How about the alt below? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Polish-German "cotton king" Juliusz Karol Kunitzer survived the 1893 assassination attempt on his life, but died during that of 1905?

All checks out for Alt1. Moonraker (talk) 08:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Dizzy Nutter

• ... that, although Dizzy Nutter's professional baseball career lasted eight years, Nutter only played in eighteen Major League games?

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Fourth DYK, don't need to give a review. Albacore (talk) 21:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  • While the article technically meets requirements (>5x expansion in the last 5 days, >1500B, and so forth), there is further information that could be added just from Baseball-Reference. Have you tried a Google News or Google Books search in that time period for more information? You'll also need to correct the links in the reference section (either all linked to the Wikipedia page on Baseball-Reference or none). — KV5 • Talk • 21:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

• ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded Airborne Forces Surgeon carried out over 150 operations?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

reviewed Ballylough 29 May entry. Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:04, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size check out. But the hook should be changed, to something like the alt below, to avoid confusion. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT: ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded Airborne Forces Surgeon from the 16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance carried out over 150 operations?

Our readers assume that bolded items appearing in the DYK section might be re-worded for "catchiness" Jim Sweeney (talk) 23:32, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

If required I prefer ALT 3

• ... that on 20 November 1943 a wounded surgeon from the 16th (Parachute) Field Ambulance carried out over 150 operations? Jim Sweeney (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• I am not sure if they really assume that. But the new hook is good to go :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

William Thompson (journalist)

• ... that newspaper editor Col. William Thompson won his 1871 shootout with a rival newspaper editor despite sustaining severe gunshot wounds, including a bullet lodged behind his eye, and a beating from a cane?

Created by Jorgenev (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, offline sources accepted in good faith. — Hunter Kahn 18:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook originally had "Col. William Thompson". This should be either "Col. William Thompson" or "Col. William Thompson". I've made it the former, but if you prefer the latter, go ahead and change it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 04:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Finn Wischmann

• ... that Norwegian botanist Finn Wischmann wrote more than 45,000 herbarium sheets and 21,000 checklists, recording more than half a million plant discoveries?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 18:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• • Date, hook and length check out. — Hunter Kahn 18:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Irlo O. Bronson, Sr. below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 18:59, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Irlo Bronson, Sr.

• ... that Irlo Bronson (pictured) conducted the sale of the land that is present-day Walt Disney World?

Created by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Epsilon II Archaeological Site. Connormah (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• - Length and date check out, but the hook needs an inline cite. --Eisfbnore ^talk 18:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Done. Connormah (talk) 19:03, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good then. --Eisfbnore ^talk 19:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I assume he is notable for something other than being an (real) estate agent: should the blurb not indicate grounds for notability? Kevin McE (talk) 20:48, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Bronson served in both houses of the Florida Legislature and he is notable for that. Thank you-RFD (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

In that case ALT1 ... that Irlo Bronson (pictured), who served in both houses of the Florida Legislature, conducted the sale of the land that is present-day Walt Disney World? Otherwise it looks as though we are simply identifying an estate agent. Kevin McE (talk) 15:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Epsilon II Archaeological Site

• ... that Indiana's Epsilon II is a rare example of a well-preserved upland archaeological site from the Archaic period?

5x expanded by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 15:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I count 3648 characters in the final version versus 625 before. Reviewed William L. Walsh. Nyttend (talk) 15:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• - Date, length and hook look all good. Connormah (talk) 18:39, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Ballylough

• ... that Ballylough is home to a ruined castle that was once a stronghold of the MacQuillans and the MacDonnells?

5x expanded by Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

date and x 5 expansion ok Jim Sweeney (talk) 19:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Arvid Stålarm the Younger

• ... that the Finland-Swedish admiral Arvid Stålarm was sentenced to death three times, but never actually executed?

• Reviewed: Gerhard Schönbacher ([25])

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 13:53, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Book accepted in good faith.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 18:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Merkantilt biografisk leksikon

• ... that the 1935 mercantile encyclopedia Merkantilt biografisk leksikon was scanned and made available online by the Project Runeberg in 2009?

• Reviewed: The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 12:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and hook all ok to go. Date of creation is the 26th, with some expansion on the 29th, but not a 5x so needs moving sections. Also perhaps suggest putting Norwegian in the hook? Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 13:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I hadn't seen that rule before (can you move it for me?). "Norwegian mercantile" sounds a bit overkill to me, so perhaps I'll swap "mercantile" for "Norwegian". I am also not sure where Norwegian should be piped; to Norway or Norwegian language? --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

• ... that the book The Commitment by Dan Savage recounts how his son was initially opposed to same-sex marriage?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 08:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed At the Pershing: But Not for Me. -- Cirt (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• – length, date and hook check out. Assume good faith for offline source. --Eisfbnore ^talk 12:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

At the Pershing: But Not for Me

• ... that jazz pianist Ahmad Jamal's first live album At the Pershing: But Not for Me, recorded in 1958, has sold over one million copies?

• Reviewed: Chalet Girl

5x expanded by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 08:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out, duly cited, and expanded sufficiently. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Women in Bahrain

• … that Bahrain's women (example pictured) became enfranchised after constitutional changes in 2002?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article List of common English usage misconceptions - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• I also reviewed the article St Giles' Church, Ickenham. - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
• Also reviewed The Lodger (opera). - AnakngAraw (talk) 13:50, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the Royal University for Women is the first private and international university for Bahrain's women (example pictured)? - AnakngAraw (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 better, I think, but needs to be clarified. I don't supposes it's the first such univ. for women in the whole Arab world, is it? Possibly on the Arabian peninsula? I'm trying to find the biggest honest claim that can be phrased in.

So there are public universities for women? And there are domestic (non-international) universities there for women?

Ref 1, to justify a fairly sweeping statement, is this. Is it reliable? I'm a bit nervous about it; who's the publisher? Doesn't seem to be up-front about it. Is it for tourists? Tony (talk) 14:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh

• ... that the novel The Forty Days of Musa Dagh about Armenian Genocide, written by a Jewish writer, played a role in the organizing of the Jewish resistance under Nazi rule?

• Reviewed: Dandeniya Gamage Jayanthi ([26])

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 06:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

This article is poorly written, and is stitched together in such a way as to overmphasize the book's impact ("it played a role in organizing the Jewish resistance to the Nazis." No, not really) as well as to decontextualize it by focusing on Jewish and only Jewish interest in the book. There is a reasonably well-organized section of the article on the book itself The Forty Days of Musa Dagh called "Resonance among Jews." This appears to be forked from that article and I suggest a redirect to that section. The "Jewish response" article also is confused in its focus. The "Impact in Eretz Yisrael" section, for instance, says one contingency plan drawn up by Jews against a possible German invasion of mandatory Palestine was called the "Musa Dagh" plan. But that's not a response to the book -- that's a "response" to the actual heroic Armenian action at the actual seige at Musa Dagh, the event that inspired the Austrian-Jewish author Franz Werfel to write The Forty Days of Musa Dagh in the first place.Westbankfainting (talk) 16:14, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The user engages in the original research and trying to re-write the history.

• Yair Auron,an Israeli historian, scholar and expert specializing on Holocaust and Genocide studies, racism and contemporary Jewry,says that "Werfel's book shocked millions throughout the world and influenced many young people who grew up in Eretz Yisrael in the 1930s. For many Jewish youth in Europe, "Musa Dagh" became a symbol, a model, and an example, especially during the dark days of the Second World War." (page 293)

• One more source: Prof. Peter Medding of Hebrew University of Jerusalem writes: "Between the wars, Franz Werfel's popular novel, The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, had a profound effect on young Jews in Palestine and in the European ghettos" Please note, the professor believes that " Franz Werfel's popular novel, The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, had a profound effect on young Jews in Palestine and in the European ghettos", while a user that has been fainting only over articles I started or the articles that were disused at my talk page thinks otherwise. It is laughable.

It is also quite ridiculous to complain that the article named Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh focusing on Jewish and only Jewish interest in the book. I would not mind if the user is to write an article for example about Anti-Semites response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, but the article I wrote is about Jewish response to The Forty Days of Musa Dagh, and it is well sourced by reliable, scholarly, academic sources.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

You misunderstand me. I have no doubt that a book written by an Austrian Jew in 1933 (during the rise of the third reich) about a heroic seige endured by an outnumbered and outgunned people facing genocide made an impression on a jewish audience. It was an inspirational tale with relevance for its time. What underpinned it as a useful metaphor was the reality of events at Musa Dagh. It was both the book, and the thing in itself. Furthermore, there were many other metaphors of resistance popular in the Jewish ghettos of Nazi occupied Europe. To write a separate, stitched together article on "Jewish reactions" to the book seriously overstates its importance both for Jewish resistance under Nazi rule (which you'll notice makes no mention of the book or the actual events at Musa Dagh, reflecting the fact that the book is a footnote in the tale of Jewish resistance) and for 20th Century Zionism, which takes most of its metaphors of resistance and truimph from the Bible and Jewish history, rather than Armenian history. The real point here is that a discussion of the book and its impact is best placed in the context of the article on The Forty Days of Musa Dagh. It's an interesting bit of cultural history. But doing it this way is seriously misleading to the reader (basically because it's way out of proportion; had the book never been written, Jewish resistance such as it was would have been the same). By the way, I got involved here becaus I fixed an article now called 1983 West Bank fainting epidemic (it was a mess) and you're not involved with that article at all. I'm now keeping an eye on this page as a result.Westbankfainting (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, potential reviewers should be aware that the above user was just blocked for WP:HOUNDing Mbz, so this nomination is still in need of review. I worked on this article a bit just now, so it probably shouldn't be me. Khazar (talk) 04:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

For clarity's sake I have struck (but not removed) the comments from the blocked user. OCNative (talk) 04:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I think the article could do with some work. In the section #Impact on resistance forces and victims of the Holocaust, I believe there is too much emphasis on where Musa Dagh "pops up" and little on the overall impact as suggested by a source that takes a wider view. Also, I don't think "and victims of the Holocaust" is as clear as it needs to be. There are lots of sources from ghettos, which isn't even close. We're talking "oppressed Jewish people" (in this case), but the term "holocaust" refers to acts of genocide rather than anti-Semitism in general. There may be an issue where the term refers to solely Jews, as well. I think the section needs rewriting to bring it more into line with other articles, particularly on the structure (too many direct quotations) and unclear narrative – there is no overall discussion. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 21:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. This article is not about the Holocaust, and not about ghettos, and not about an impact. This article is about a particular book The Forty Days of Musa Dagh and about how this book affected (and in some situations changed) the lives of the Jews during Second World War. IMO this is a fascinating, and in some way a finished story. Just think about this: A Jewish poet writes a novel about Armenian Genocide, and then some time after the novel was published, reading this novel helps Jews who became the victims of even worse genocide on their own.

About the structure of the article. I have used quite a few sources, but the main source is this one. The structure of the article is very close to the structure of this source. Yes, I did include lots of quotations, but this is an unusual article about a special situation. It is based on the testimonies of the people who read the book in ghettos many of whom perished there. They are talking about their feelings towards the book, and I decided it is better to let them speak for themselves. Maybe it was the last book they read. --Mbz1 (talk) 22:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, the header wording issue raised by Grandiose has now been fixed. I agree that the number of direct quotes might be re-examined here, but I'm not sure it's a significant enough problem to reject the DYK nom. This one still seems to need an official review if anybody's interested. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 06:47, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Dandeniya Gamage Jayanthi

• ... that Dandeniya Gamage Jayanthi founded the group "Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared" following the abduction, shooting, and burning of her fiancé?

Reviewed R v Baillie.

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Verified, interesting article!--Mbz1 (talk) 05:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Gerhard Schönbacher

• ... that after cyclist Gerhard Schönbacher finished last in the 1979 Tour de France on purpose, the rules were changed, but he again finished last in the 1980 Tour de France?

Created by EdgeNavidad (talk). Self nom at 10:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, but from the article it is not clear that Schönbacher finished last on purpose in 1979. The article only says that Philippe Tesnière rode slow on purpose, and that only after his drop-out Schönbacher finished last. The one statement that could be construed as Schönbacher being slow on purpose is that he stopped and kissed the road just before the finish line of the final stage - but that would be too much a stretch, since by then he already held the last position, and nothing would have changed if he had not kissed the road. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, the 'on purpose' part is my interpretation, and currently not in the article. Him kissing the road costed him less than 10 seconds, so it is not important for the result. Suggested alternative:

ALT1: ... that after cyclist Gerhard Schönbacher received much publicity for finishing last in the 1979 Tour de France, the rules were changed to avoid riders finishing last on purpose, but Schönbacher again finished last in the 1980 Tour de France?

I think something can be removed, but I'm not sure what.--EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 18:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Peter Aucoin

• ... that Peter Aucoin, a professor emeritus at Dalhousie University, has served as an advisor to all three levels of the government of Canada?

Created by GorillaWarfare (talk). Self nom at 22:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• First DYK, don't need to review. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 22:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, hook and refs checks out. Possible alt hook: ... that Peter Aucoin's article "Administrative Reform in Public Management: Paradigms, Principles, Paradoxes and Pendulums" has been cited over 500 times? yorkshiresky (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Either hook is fine with me. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 15:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 30

List of Slovenia international footballers

A dark-haired man posing in a red football shirt

• ... that the retired association football player Zlatko Zahovič (pictured) is the most-capped Slovenia international?

• Reviewed: Dennis Marks [27]
• Comment: Article created on May 30, expanded lead over 1,500 characters on June 2.

Created by Timbouctou (talk). Self nom at 17:14, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

WASP-24b, WASP-24

• ... that extrasolar planet WASP-24 has a two-day orbit around WASP-24, a star that does not appear to follow the main sequence?

Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Note WASP-24b was created on June 1. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 04:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Dekade diff and Jurang Pemisah diff --Starstriker7^(Talk) 04:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• The hook reads too technical (nobody knows what "follows the main sequence" supposed to mean); "b" is missing somewhere and "has a two-day orbit" sounds odd to me (maybe it's just me though). Materialscientist (talk) 04:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Puerto Banús

• ... that Puerto Banús is visited by 5 million people annually and contains a three-ton statue of a rhinoceros (pictured) by Salvador Dalí?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Nominated by Tibetan Prayer (talk) at 10:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 17:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Fil and Filippa: Story of Child Life in the Philippines.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The length (5x expansion) and the date are good to go. The image also appears fine, so is the hook pertaining to the statue being made by Dali and its location in Puerto Banús. The only issue is the statue's weight, which is not cited. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. Citation added now.--Nvvchar. 04:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

New cite added now covers all aspects of the hook. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Stephen Fry (rugby player)

• ... that Stephen Fry captained the South Africa national rugby team against the British Lions?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 22:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Philip Primrose

• Hook is short and punchy. Article looks good, and the references check out. Reviewed by --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 06:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Unless the point of the hook is to get hits because readers won't believe the actor/comedian Stephen Fry could do such a thing, this is problematic. Tony (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• That is the point. FruitMonkey (talk) 11:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks like a typical April Fools' DYK. --Hegvald (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

If it seeks to mislead, it has no place in an encyclopaedia. Kevin McE (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The DYK entries for April Fools' day are usually of this type (superficially baffling and even slightly misleading but actually perfectly correct). As far as I have seen, there is no major disagreement about that. If you want to contest this practice, WT:DYK would be the right place to do so. --Hegvald (talk) 14:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion around the Main Page for a few days either side of April 1 every year is full of objections to this practice. Kevin McE (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

You may well be right (I hadn't noticed), but apparently a majority thinks the practice is fine, or it wouldn't persist. Either way, it is not a discussion for this page. --Hegvald (talk) 15:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

As an American, I've never heard of the comedian or the rugby player, so this hook boils down to "some guy captained the South Africa national rugby team against the British Lions?" so how about this alt hook:
ALT1... that Stephen Fry was an engineer and aspiring jazz pianist before he captained the South Africa national rugby team against the British Lions? OCNative (talk) 07:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

That flies fine by me. Does that mean we need a re-review? FruitMonkey (talk) 14:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Tagalog pocketbooks

• … that the methods used in pirating original Tagalog pocketbooks include scanning the pages of the book and changing the bookcovers, titles, and names of authors?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• See the articles I reviewed from here. - AnakngAraw (talk) 21:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I Am Playr

• ... that former England international footballer Lee Dixon is an investor in first person football video game I Am Playr?

• Reviewed: Source London

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:23, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that Nike, Alfa Romeo, Red Bull and Ginsters are all advertised in first person football video game I Am Playr? Miyagawa (talk) 21:30, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Polish Teachers' Union

• ... that during World War II the Polish Teachers' Union was mostly active through the Secret Teaching Organization?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #National Youth Employment Program

• Date, length, hook OK. Foreign language online ref AGF. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Judith Trim

• ... that Judith Trim was not only the first wife of Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, who cried the first time she heard The Dark Side of the Moon, but also a successful studio potter in her own right, with work in museum collections around the world?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Chuck Ricci

• ... that although baseball player Chuck Ricci never played for the Cleveland Indians, he appeared as a member of the team in the 1994 film Major League II and later worked for the club as a scout?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Dizzy Nutter. — KV5 • Talk • 21:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Baby Don't Go

• ... that the duet aspect of Sonny & Cher's first recorded hit single, "Baby Don't Go", was not originally planned but established the pair's unusual harmonic style?

5x expanded by Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed No. 1 Long Range Flight RAAF

• date, expansion, refs, sounds fine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

National Youth Employment Program

• ... that National Youth Employment Program was created to address youth unemployment in Ghana which increases by 250,000 per year?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size and hook check out, but the hook is a bit misleading - the article is not about youth unemployment in Ghana, but about the Ghana's National Youth Employment Program, and I'd suggest that the hook reflects that. I'd also ask the author to add proper categories (organization type, year of establishment) and talk page wikiproject templates. I'll note that none of those are necessary for the article's dyking, but they'd be quite welcome. If the author's wishes for the article do be nominated without addressing those issues, please seek a different reviewer. Or, if the issues are addressed, please drop me a note on talk and I'll rereview it again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 21:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  • All it needs now is an alt hook. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Hook was modified, it's all good to go now.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant [[28]]

Frédéric Alfred d'Erlanger

• ... that millionaire banker, Baron Frédéric Alfred d'Erlanger, was also a noted composer who wrote an opera based on Thomas Hardy's novel, Tess of the d'Urbervilles?

Created by HotFXMan (talk), Jenks24 (talk), Fetchcomms (talk). Nominated by Jenks24 (talk) at 20:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Mabla Mountains. Jenks24 (talk) 20:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• References check out, length okay. Does recreated article refer to a move from user space or was this entry previously deleted? Recommend taking out the word friend, as it is not mentioned the two were friends in the article. Froggerlaura (talk) 19:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for reviewing. I agree friend can be taken out. I saw it mentioned that they were friends when I was searching for references, but now I can't find anything to verify it. Oh well, it's not very important in any case. Recreated (I assume your talking about HotFXMan's edit summary when he created the article) refers to the fact that the article had been deleted per A7 a few hours beforehand. I assume that HotFXMan had created the article not long before the deletion (but I'm not an admin, so I don't know for sure). See User talk:Philippe (WMF)#Frederic Alfred d'Erlanger for slightly more detail. Jenks24 (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Article stable and not being reviewed for deletion. Froggerlaura (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Mabla Mountains

• ... that the endemic Djibouti Francolin (pictured) lives in the Mabla Mountains and the Day Forest National Park?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: The Earthstopper

• Refs, date and size all check out (also image looks fine, but that's not one of my strong points, so someone should double-check that). Jenks24 (talk) 20:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Tautological: by definition, an animal that is endemic to an area lives there. Kevin McE (talk) 23:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Incorporated Kevin McE's suggestion into ALT1: ... that the Djibouti Francolin (pictured) is endemic to the Mabla Mountains and the Day Forest National Park? --Rosiestep (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hotel Florida (Madrid)

• ... that Ernest Hemingway wrote The Fifth Column during the siege of the Spanish Civil War at the Hotel Florida in Madrid and on a daily basis he "expected a bomb to land on his typewriter"?

Created by Tibetan Prayer (talk). Self nom at 17:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Arvid Stålarm the Younger.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 18:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Youth and Sports (Ghana)

• ... that one reason for establishing the National Sports College of the Ministry of Youth and Sports of Ghana was because Ghanaian sportsmen were under performing in international competitions?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant [[29]]

Mitch McDeere

• ... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series?

• Reviewed: John McClintock (MP), Drumcar House, Drumcar

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Massively overlinked. The whole point is to get people to go to the DYK article, from which they can link to all of these other targets. It's almost all blue. Tony (talk) 09:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

(alt)... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

(alt2)... that Mitch McDeere is a fictional character played by Tom Cruise in Sydney Pollack's 1993 film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm (1991 novel), which was ordered as a 2011–12 NBC television series? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

(alt3)... that Mitch McDeere, Tom Cruise's character in Sydney Pollack's 1993 $270 million-grossing film adaptation of John Grisham's The Firm that sold 7 million copies, will reappear in a television series? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant

• ... that when workers staged a 1978 wildcat strike for higher wages at Volkswagen's new Westmoreland Assembly Plant that built the Rabbit model, the picketers shouted "No Money, No Bunny"?

Created by 842U (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed:David Lucas (composer)

Hook, length, date all check out. Good to go. -- CrossTempleJay  → talk 17:11, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units review. I've now added the required conversion from 'square feet' (somewhat concealed as 'sf'). Lightmouse (talk) 23:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Jurang Pemisah, Senyawa, Sabda Alam, Konser Tur 2001, Dekade

• ... that during his career, Chrisye released albums that sold like "chicken shit", were recorded with studio executives locked out, raised controversy for being "against Asian mores", featured an orchestra, and had to be recalled to replace the cover design?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviews:

1. Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail (diff)
2. Lake Assal (diff)
3. Social Democrats, USA (diff)
4. Erich Lackner (diff)
5. Sissy's Magical Ponycorn Adventure (diff)

Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Newness and length check out for Jurang Pemisah. A review has been done. I'm afraid Indonesian isn't a language I know, but it looks like the hook is cited to a book, so accept it in good faith. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

For Sabda Alam, newness and length check out; there are a few errors that I'll copyedit out in a sec. There's no mention of the studio executives being locked out. If you can't find a source, perhaps you could find one that had him collaborating with the son of the president? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:39, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, never mind...I found it. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll save collaborated with Sukarno's son for Puspa Indah, which was nearly all Guruh and Chrisye. Thanks for the idea though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Cool stuff. Can't wait to see it on the Main Page! --Starstriker7^(Talk) 00:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. It'll be a while though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

On Konser Tur 2001, newness, length check out. A review's done. The hook's equivalent in the article should be directly cited. In any case, I'll accept the ref in good faith. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

All set. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

For Dekade, hook, length, newness, and review check out. I'll accept the offline reference in good faith. This portion of the hook pops less than the others do. Can something that calls the attention more be found?

--Starstriker7(Talk) 16:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

How about went double platinum on his birthday? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

That's more like it. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 00:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Newness, length, and hook check out for Senyawa. A review is done. I'll accept the Indonesian ref in good faith. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 16:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on all of this; I'm happy to see that Chrisye is getting attention on Wikipedia. Although I don't understand them, I've heard many of his songs. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 16:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 "... that during his career, Chrisye released albums that sold like "chicken shit", were recorded with studio executives locked out, raised controversy for being "against Asian mores", went double platinum on his birthday, and had to be recalled to replace the cover design?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook length is 275 chars with spaces, but I think C3 applies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Rose City Transit, Blue Bus lines (Oregon)

• ... that transit service in Portland, Oregon, in the 1960s was provided solely by privately owned companies, with Rose City Transit in the city proper and the "Blue Bus" lines in the suburbs?

Created by SJ Morg (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment from article's author: These articles are written in American English. Please do not delete "service" or change "transit" to "transport", as the latter (and the version without "service") is British English, whereas these new articles are both entirely about U.S. subjects. In the copies of the hook that would be archived permanently (after their main page appearance) on the articles' own talk pages (and on other pages), it would forever look out of place to see a British English wording when the subjects are American. A piped link, [[Public transport|transit service]], makes the most sense to me; alternatively, piping it as [[Public transport|public transit]] service would be acceptable, but is redundant to American eyes, because in American English the word "public" is implied/inferred with "transit" (which has a much narrower meaning than "transportation"). In any event, the visible portion should not include "transport", which is not used as a noun (only as a verb) in American English. Eventually, someone will write a separate article about transit (a major subject!) for Wikipedia, but for the time being the much broader "public transport" article is the closest thing to it on the site.

I recommend showing quotation marks around "Blue Bus" (through piping), because it was most commonly written that way, as it was a nickname, not a formal name. I left the quotation marks out of the title only because Wikipedia's article naming conventions appear to recommend doing so in most cases, and I did include them in the bold text in the article's lead section. SJ Morg (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Palm City, San Diego (diff)
• Reviewed: Ben Auerbach (diff)

It Gets Better: Coming Out, Overcoming Bullying, and Creating a Life Worth Living

• ... that the book It Gets Better edited by Dan Savage and inspired by the It Gets Better Project includes contributions from humorist David Sedaris and U.S. President Barack Obama?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Offline hook accepted AGF. (Is there a link to the story anywhere?) Nice job. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• Note: I reviewed Yellow-crowned Bishop. -- Cirt (talk) 05:10, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

David Lucas (composer)

• ... that David Lucas, who produced and sang backup on Blue Öyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" and came up with the idea for the infamous cowbell, also wrote commercial jingles such as AT&T's "Reach out and touch someone"?

Created by Elonka (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: 61st FIFA Congress. --Elonka 06:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The infamy of cowbells will mean absolutely nothing to a very large proportion of readership. Kevin McE (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

, date, length and hook check out. I'd agree, the cowbell reference is obscure and essentially unverifiable hyperbole, since the ref isn't transparent. Suggest trimming that from the hook. Alt1: that David Lucas, who produced and sang backup on Blue Öyster Cult's "Don't Fear the Reaper" also wrote AT&T's "Reach out and touch someone" jingle?. 842U (talk) 15:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

No objection to the new hook. --Elonka 00:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yellow-crowned Bishop

• ... that the Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) bends over stems to help conceal its nest?

5x expanded by BarkingMoon (talk · contribs) and Casliber (talk · contribs). Self nom at 02:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Jack Weisenburger, alt hook proposals welcome. Expansion of Yellow-crowned Bishop was from 535 to 3931 (7.34x exp) per DYKcheck.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Everything checks out, I actually like the hook. ;) And, by the way, beautiful picture! :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Cirt, someone suggested another hook on a talk page: ALT1 "... that when some that when the male Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) is ready to mate, that their heads and backs turn a distinctive yellow in color?" Whomever moves to a prep set can choose. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't find the bend over info in the article (which I lightly c-ed). "Stems" is clearer from the alt text caption, but not so clear as a stand-alone. I like ALT1 too (note unintended word repetition), but perhaps: ALT2 "... that when the male Yellow-crowned Bishop (pictured) is ready to mate, his head and back turn a brilliant yellow color?" Tony (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT 2 also. @Tony - bent stem sentence is in the behavior section. BarkingMoon (talk) 16:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2 seems best out of them all. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
• Corrected my grammar in ALT2: Tony (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The bird does not bend over stems, it bends stems over. I believe we have a policy against using personal pronouns for wild animals, so it rather than he Kevin McE (talk) 12:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

That was already fixed in the article.BarkingMoon (talk) 11:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Berwick Rangers F.C. 1-0 Rangers F.C.

• ... that Berwick Rangers 1-0 defeat of Rangers in 1967 has been described as "the most astonishing result ever returned in Scottish football"?

Created by Yorkshiresky (talk). Self nom at 09:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Peter Aucoin. yorkshiresky (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook all OK. --GuillaumeTell 11:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Reindeer in South Georgia

• ... that reindeer were introduced to South Georgia by Norwegian whalers?

• Reviewed: HD 205739 b ([[30]])

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Nice to read about (semi-)Norwegian topics written by someone else than myself! :P --Eisfbnore ^talk 02:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Suggest splitting the link, so that South Georgia stands distinct. This will emphasise that it refers to the place called South Georgia, and not the southern part of a Caucasian republic, or of any sub-national entity. Kevin McE (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Meanest Genie

• ... that Maggot Pie, a children's book by Michael Lawrence, was renamed the Meanest Genie in 2009?

Created by Rcsprinter123 (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The article was created on 9 December 2008 and was last edited by the nominator on 4 May 2011, which was not a 5x expansion. Article also contains only one reference to a personal blog. Fails DYK and may also fail notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. Froggerlaura (talk) 16:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Err.. Which article? I created The Meanest Genie yesterday. Rcsprinter (talk) 17:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

This hook contains only the link for the author Michael Lawrence and I assumed it was for that page.

Did you want it to be:

• ... that Maggot Pie, a children's book by Michael Lawrence, was renamed The Meanest Genie in 2009?

As it stands the article will need at least one reputable third-party reference for the hook to make DYK. Also the article consists almost entirely of plot information. Is there any information on worldwide sales, critical reviews or public response to flesh out the article and make the book notable? Froggerlaura (talk) 17:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I wanted it to be that. I'll try and find some sources. Rcsprinter (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Right, I added a source to the page from Yahoo! Answers, I've read the book myself, and found some reviews on Amazon here. Rcsprinter (talk) 18:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Yahoo Answers and Amazon.com are not reliable sources. Better sources would be the book's publishing company or reviews in major newspapers or magazines (peer reviewed sources), but this book has not received much press. The author page is also supported just by a blog. But these are issues for Wikipedia:Notability. Froggerlaura (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

So, what should I do? Try and find some reasonable citations? Where would I start? Rcsprinter (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I looked through various local newspapers in the UK and US major media and found no references to the book or author. I don't think there is enough out there to support the book having its own wikipedia page because most of the links are to booksellers and there are no editorial reviews. Right now DYK fails, but you can wait for a second opinion from another editor or continue searching (I cannot access many UK sources). Still . Froggerlaura (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hatoon al-Fassi

• ... that Saudi Arabian historian Dr Hatoon al-Fassi says that Arabian women had more freedom in the ancient Nabataean kingdom than they have today?

• ALT1:... that King Saud University assistant professor of women's history Dr Hatoon al-Fassi has not been allowed to teach since 2001?
• Reviewed: Allen Forward ([A. Forward 31 May])
• Comment: IMHO either hook may draw in readers and editors. Do we want the "Dr" in either case? My guess is that it sounds hooky, but probably there's a guideline somewhere...

Created by Boud (talk). Self nom at 21:13, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook are all fine. My preference is for ALT1, the idea of a professor banned from teaching is quite interesting. I think it's fine to have Dr. Qrsdogg (talk) 00:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 31

Peter Dawson (politician)

• ... that Peter Dawson served as Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta for 26 years, the longest in the history of the province?

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 00:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ready. Nice expansion. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 18:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Franc Fernandez

• ... that Franc Fernandez, designer of Lady Gaga's meat dress and "Bad Romance" "diamond crown" costume, was mostly self-trained?

Created by Noted Seven (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• - Looks all good. Connormah (talk) 00:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten, BWV 59

• ... that Bach may have performed his cantata Wer mich liebet, der wird mein Wort halten, BWV 59, on Pentecost 1723 at the university of Leipzig before he started his church position?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Baby Don't Go, cantata suggested for 12 June Pentecost, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• linked Pentecost, for those who know Whitsun, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Minden Cemetery

• ... that the historic Minden Cemetery (pictured) in Louisiana contains the remains of Confederate veterans who died from wounds sustained in the 1864 Battles of Mansfield and Pleasant Hill?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Earthling (Fringe)

Length ok, ref seems ok, hook cited, well-written. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Earthling (Fringe)

• ... that visual effects supervisor Jay Worth found inspiration for the "Ash Man" storyline in the Fringe episode "Earthling" from holding his grandmother-in-law's hands at her funeral?

Created by Ruby2010 comment! 02:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Earthquake sensitive Ruby2010 comment! 02:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Three are no note references for the second paragraph and the section "Plot." Perhaps these were mistakenly omitted. Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Television plots do not require citations (it's assumed the episode in question is the source). And which second paragraph? If you're referring to the lead, it does not require citations either (as it is just a summary of the referenced article below). Ruby2010 comment! 00:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Villa Gesell

• ... that the Argentine city of Villa Gesell was built after the afforestation of a dune field?

• Reviewed: White-winged Widowbird

5x expanded by Cambalachero (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Date, length check out, Google translator assures me your hook is legit. The only remaining issue I see is that DYK requires at least one citation per paragraph, which your 2-5 paragraphs appear to lack. Can you fill these in, even if it means just repeating fn2 (which I assume those are)? Khazar (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Cambalachero (talk) 12:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to go. Khazar (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Earthquake sensitive

• ... that earthquake sensitives like geologist Jim Berkland claim they have the ability to predict earthquakes?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook check out. Nice work, Ruby2010 comment! 02:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Machine of Death

• ... that after the science fiction anthology Machine of Death reached #1 on the Amazon.com bestseller list instead of his own book, Fox News commentator Glenn Beck denounced it as part of a liberal "culture of death"?

Created by Gamaliel (talk). Self nom at 23:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Milton J. Durham. Gamaliel (talk) 23:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook are all fine. Good to go. Qrsdogg (talk) 01:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Bojana Radulović

• ... that Hungarian handballer Bojana Radulović has been selected IHF World Player of the Year twice, in 2000 and 2003?

5x expanded by Thehoboclown (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:18, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Impressively large expansion (from ~500 characters to ~10,000) and the hook is cited. Looks good. Jrcla2 (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Milton J. Durham

• ... that Milton J. Durham (pictured), a former official in the U.S. Treasury Department, once bloodied a Lexington Leader newswriter's face in a dispute over information that appeared in the newspaper?

5x expanded by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 20:15, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Tendai Mzungu [31]

DYK check positive. Picture is PD. Ready to go, though I would suggest this as a hook instead: ... that an elderly Milton J. Durham (pictured), former U.S. Representative and First Comptroller of the Treasury, bloodied the face of a writer for the Lexington Leader over a news report? Gamaliel (talk) 23:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem with that hook, but note that the proper title is "First Comptroller of the Treasury". (There was actually a "Second Comptroller of the Treasury" at the time.) Durham was not the first to be Comptroller of the Treasury. In fact, he was the last "First Comptroller of the Treasury". hehe. They changed the name after his term, I think. I'd also suggest linking "First Comptroller of the Treasury" to Comptroller of the Treasury, as it isn't a well-known office like U.S. Representative (even though I think that could be linked, too.) Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 13:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

So that's why you included First in the wikilink in the Durham article! Thanks for clearing that up. (It's explicit in the Comptroller of the Treasury article, but I never followed the link.) I've tweaked my suggested hook above to make this clear and wikilinked it per your suggestion. Gamaliel (talk) 14:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

John Jackson Dickison

An elderly Col. John Jackson Dickison

• ... that Capt. John Jackson Dickison (pictured) led the Confederate forces which captured the USS Columbine, in the only known incident in US history where a cavalry unit sank an enemy gunboat?

Article created by Tony the Marine (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria, Association of National Accountants of Nigeria

• ... that the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Nigeria asked the courts to annul the decree that chartered their rival, the Association of National Accountants of Nigeria?

• Reviewed: Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs ([32])
• Comment: An attempt to redress systemic bias. I was thinking of adding Akintola Williams, a famous accountant, but perhaps that would be too much. :~)

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Allen Forward

• ... that A. Forward was a forward?

New article by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Puerto Banús.
• Very hooky - brilliant :). New (created 31 May), long enough (about 2900 or so characters of prose), funny. However, it is difficult to find where the fact in the hook is cited with an inline citation in the body of the article. The lead states that he was a "forward who favoured the position of flanker" but it is not obvious to me in which reference i should look to check the claimed fact. I cannot find anywhere in the body of the article where his role as a forward is stated at all, let alone sourced with an inline citation. This needs an inline citation, preferably in the main body (since otherwise it is not easy to justify it in the lead) so that the reader can easily check the claim. Boud (talk) 20:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC) (clarification: i meant that the hook (not the article) is funny. New and long enough are for the article.) Boud (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  It's a picky one to split. Rugby union positions are split between backs and forwards. The backs are your lighter, faster scorers and your forwards are the more aggresive blockers and hitters. In the early days players were either backs or forwards, but as the game modernised the positions were split into their differing roles. Flankers are a subgroup of forwards. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

  • But also if we accept him as a flanker, we therefore accept him as a forward. In the same way we accept a bassist as a musician. One is a subset of the other. It does not need to be quoted. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Right, there is now a direct quote to him being a forward made by a journalist. But it is offline, hope it's good enough. FruitMonkey (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Flankers are less widely known than bassists, and while it is obvious that a double bass is used for making music, it is not so obvious that a flanker is "forward" as opposed to "middle", "side" or "back". i see you added one source in the body (the direct quote of a journalist's statement). In principle good faith can be used to accept an offline reference, but i've done some work on Allen Forward, rugby union positions and flanker (rugby union) and there is in fact the necessary info in the sources - all the epsnscrum refs that i checked list him as "F", and the only reasonable interpretation is that F means flanker. This just required a bit of work inlining the citations. :)
      • Possible remaining concerns:
        1. The flanker (rugby union) article is rather weak on references and has an unresolved tag. However, this is not the article proposed for DYK - the information that a flanker is considered part of the forward section has one reference, and that source - a South African sports body - seems reliable enough to me for the claim that a flanker is considered to be part of the forward section. IMHO the tag should remain, but that's not a DYK issue, in any case.
        2. Allen Forward now has a non-free photo (with a justification). As long as the photo is not proposed for DYK, this is not violating the rules, taken literally. Do we have to avoid a DYK that links to an article with a non-free image?
      • i'm a novice at reviewing DYK proposals, so i'll leave these two concerns for other people to discuss. The article is now: new, long enough and the hook fact is inline cited; and the hook is hooky. IMHO the proposal is acceptable. Other people will read this discussion and comment if they're worried about either of these two points. Boud (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

We should let the reader know the sport or context in which A Forward was a forward: ... that rugby player A. Forward was a forward? Kevin McE (talk) 13:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Disagree. The fact that the sport wasn't mentioned is partly what makes it so hooky. I've been noticing an unfortunate trend on DYK reviews where those who do the reviewing are trying to make everything so damn literal. The entire point of DYK is to make a quick sentence or phrase so catchy that it entices the reader to click the bolded link to find out more. If people know right away that "A. Forward" is a rugby player, there will be far less interest. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Jrcla2. Adding rugby just makes it less interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought the point of an encyclopaedia was to be informative, not intriguing. Kevin McE (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I do not see how the absence of rugby in the hook makes it unclear to the point of not being informative. Most native speakers would probably realize (after a pause) that a forward is in a sport, be it football, rugby, or whatnot. I would agree with you 100% if rugby was not in the article, but the hook has slightly different rules. We need a balance of interest and information to write a good DYK hook, and being overly precise can work against us. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Straight from Wikipedia:Did you know#The hook: "When you write the DYK item (or "hook") please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. An interesting hook is more likely to draw in a variety of readers. Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content.". The proposed hook meets all of the criteria. We don't need to be so robotic about Wikipedia 100% of the time (beep boop must make everything humorless and boring beep boop) Jrcla2 (talk) 15:31, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. Taken to its logical extremes, we'd have something like "... that Welsh rugby player Allen Forward played as a forward for Pontypool." Although it is much more informative, it is much less hooky. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs

• ... that a major achievement of the Ministry of Women and Children's Affairs of Ghana is the abolishing of child trafficking in the country?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 15:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant [[33]]

• Good to go, Somehow it feels like there should be more content, but length, hook etc. all check out. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:34, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I changed "children trafficking" to "child trafficking". With "children", it looked kinda like they were doing the trafficking. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

List of sections of Chester city walls and associated structures

• ... that Chester city walls (section pictured) form the most complete circuit of Roman and medieval defensive town walls in Britain?

• Reviewed: Polish Teachers' Union

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The Chester City Council reference for the hook is weak, as the website does not provide any reputable sources for the statement (also I think they are kind of biased). Did the hook appear in any of the print references?

May I suggest:

• ALT 1 ... that parts of the Chester city walls (section pictured) were repaired with 3rd-century Roman altars and tombstones?

Has stronger references. Froggerlaura (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I should have thought that the Chester City Council website would be considered to be a reliable source. It's not the sort of source that would be expected to provide references for its readers, and as a council website should be OK. But as cover, I've added three more refs. If the hook is still unacceptable, then go for ALT1 if that is preferred. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go with original hook. Froggerlaura (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Alexios Palaiologos (despot)

• ... that Alexios Palaiologos was heir apparent of the Byzantine Empire from 1199 to his death in 1203, and was directly involved in the suppression of no less than four revolts during this time?

• Reviewed: Church of the Holy Archangels Michael and Gabriel, Church of Saint Paraskevi, Nesebar

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 14:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date check up and I have no doubt that the offline book sources were properly utilised. Why is 'Despot' capitalised in the article name though? It seems to contradict other examples of Byzantine noble titles when they appear in the article name like John Doukas (megas doux) and Michael Doukas (protostrator). — Toдor Boжinov — 10:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• "Despot" is the English form of the title, while megas doux or protostrator are transliterations of the Greek titles. AFAIK, in English, titles are usually capitalized. If you think it necessary, one can always move it to the lower-case form. Constantine ✍ 12:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I've moved it, the lower-case form seems to be preferred in literature for the title. Constantine ✍ 12:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no other Alexios Palaiologos with a Wikipedia article: why have a disambiguator at all? And although I read that despot was a formal rank, and not just a pejorative, I would suggest that as a disambiguator (were it necessary) it is not a very helpful one: nobleman would serve equally well. Kevin McE (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

There were other people named Alexios Palaiologos, and all of them were "noblemen". The court rank is the usual way of distinguishing between similarly-named Byzantine people, plus a "Despot" is certainly more unique than the generic "nobleman". Constantine ✍ 14:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The other people of the same name, and the different ranks by which they are distinguished, were not putative wiki articles at the time of my note above. It has been superceded by redlinking of other names, presumably with the intention of them becoming articles. Of course, for as long as they remain redlinks, the disambiguator remains redundant. Kevin McE (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Tourism (Ghana)

• ... that tourism is Ghana's fourth highest foreign exchange earner?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 12:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Vitold Belevitch [[34]]

Long enough (barely), hook is supported, date is correct, ready to go. -- Presearch (talk) 19:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

New Waddell Dam

• … that New Waddell Dam (pictured) in Maricopa County, Arizona, submerged the Old Waddell Dam and both receives and provides water to the Central Arizona Project?

5x/nom --NortyNort (Holla) 07:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: MV Empire Dawn
• Date and expansion confirmed, facts backed by refs, image is PD, good to go. Mjroots (talk) 09:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• added "," after Arizona and wonder about "both receives"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The dam has a dual role of supplying and providing and supplying water to the aqueduct. Does it sound confusing? I can try a re-write.--NortyNort (Holla) 22:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

That seems clear enough, but I would write: "both receive and provide", not "both receives and provides", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The subject of the verb is the dam, which is singular, so Gerda's suggestion is ungrammatical. Perhaps ...receives water from, and provides water to, the Central Arizona Project? would be clearer. Kevin McE (talk) 15:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

MV Empire Dawn

• ... that the continued attack by the German auxiliary cruiser Michel on Empire Dawn after she had surrendered was held to be a war crime, for which Michel's captain was convicted?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 07:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article and hook (slightly long) check out. Nice article.--NortyNort (Holla) 07:59, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook shortened a bit. Mjroots (talk) 09:44, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook is not correct, Von Ruckteschell was found not guilty on this charge.

• ALT1 ... that although the continued attack by the German auxiliary cruiser Michel on Empire Dawn after she had surrendered was considered to be a war crime, Michel's captain was aquitted of the charge? Mjroots (talk) 12:30, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I see, only three charges. How do you know this one was the one he was acquitted of?--NortyNort (Holla) 12:53, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The source says "This was the subject of the fifth and final charge Ruckteschell would have to face on his subsequent appearance before a War Crimes Tribunal, but it was a charge of which he was found Not Guilty." - it's towards the bottom of the page. Mjroots (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Okay, got it, much more explicit.--NortyNort (Holla) 21:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Cassel, Nord. Mjroots (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Fil and Filippa: Story of Child Life in the Philippines

• … that Fil and Filippa: Story of Child Life in the Philippines (bookcover pictured) is a 1917 novel written by American writer John Stuart Thomson?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• See the articles I reviewed here. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• The article has 1,508 characters with spaces. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you think of something a little more catchy?Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 10:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that John Stuart Thomson, author of the historical novel Fil and Filippa (bookcover pictured), called the Philippines a string of pearls hanging from the golden equator.? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Selskabet for Oslo Byes Vel

• ... that poet Henrik Wergeland was a member of the association Selskabet for Oslo Byes Vel?

• ALT1:... that the association Selskabet for Oslo Byes Vel celebrates its 200-year anniversary this year?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 01:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Reindeer in South Georgia above. Eisfbnore ^talk 02:05, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• checked for date length and hook. Norwegian off-line refs accepted in good faith. I have also taken the liberty of copyediting AlT1 hook. SpinningSpark 10:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for both actions. Eisfbnore ^talk 10:14, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

In the absence of anything remarkable, can we at least be informative for those who don't understand Norwegian: ALT2 ... that Selskabet for Oslo Byes Vel, a non-profit association for the benefit of Norway's capital city, celebrates its 200-year anniversary this year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs) 13:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. --Eisfbnore ^talk 13:45, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Palm City, San Diego

• ... that Brigadier General Francis C. Marshall had just visited Camp Hearn prior to dying in a plane crash?

5x expanded by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Radiospongilla sceptroides, Thirlmere Lakes National Park. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed: Desegregation in the United States Marine Corps.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:55, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• My count shows an expansion of only 2.4x (from about 785 characters to about 1880) of the prose section in recent days, including headings. Sorry, but text in references doesn't count. If you can get it to 5x within the next 3 days, it may become eligible. SJ Morg (talk) 08:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

*Feel free to disregard and to strike this nomination. There is very little data, that I am aware of to expand it further, without getting into trivia. I had thought that getting it up to over 1500 characters was sufficient, seeing at how it was a stub prior, oh well. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Disregard what I last said, I shall find what trivia I can find and expand out the article. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nice work, including with the references and wikilinking. I have it at about 4.6x now. If you can find another 4-5 sentences you'll be there. SJ Morg (talk) 19:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Vitold Belevitch

• ... that electric circuit theorist Vitold Belevitch discovered a mathematical basis for Zipf's law from linguistics?

Created by Spinningspark (talk). Self nom at 10:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Selskabet for Oslo Byes Vel. SpinningSpark 10:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook, Length, date all check out. Good to go.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 12:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Albert Looking Elk, Juan Mirabal, and Albert Lujan

• ... that Native American Taos Pueblo artists Albert Looking Elk, Juan Mirabal, and Albert Lujan were known as the "Three Taos Pueblo" painters?

Created by User:CaroleHenson (talk). Self nom at 00:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1

Cassel, Nord

• ... that the town of Cassel in France is located on a hill that is said to have been created when two giants (pictured) tripped while carrying a heap of earth and dropped it?

Expanded about 7x and self-nominated. Prioryman (talk) 22:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, expansion confirmed. AGF on book reference. Image is CC-by-SA, good to go. Mjroots (talk) 02:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Antwerp Diamond Heist

• ... that the Antwerp Diamond Heist was a robbery of loose diamonds, gold, and other jewelry valued at more than $100 million?

• Reviewed: Nyon Conference ([35])

Created by Anna Frodesiak (talk). Nominated by E2eamon (talk) at 18:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Looks fine to me, though it might be a good idea to add dates to the references. Prioryman (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
• I moved the article to Antwerp Diamond Heist. It googles better, plus is a proper name so capital H, similar to Great Train Robbery. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the Antwerp Diamond Heist was the largest diamond heist in history? (Short grabs the eye. The visitor clicks. The article tells the story.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

That looks good. --E♴(talk) 15:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The article has bare URLs as references, which are not allowed on DYK. That needs to be attended to. I struck out the original hook for clarity. Schwede66 19:35, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Nyon Conference

• ... that after the Nyon Conference, The Times likened the happy delegates to cricketers, 'reviewing their innings, over by over'?

• Reviewed: Great Britain at the 1972 Summer Paralympics ([36])

Created by Grandiose (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, Length are good. AGF for offline source. --E♴(talk) 18:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Regional Museum of Anthropology and History of Chiapas

• ... that the Regional Museum of Anthropology and History of Chiapas in Tuxtla Gutiérrez sponsors a annual event for children from low income areas of the city?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Phnom Bok Thelmadatter (talk) 17:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook all seem to be fine. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Aung Pwint

• ... that Burmese journalist Aung Pwint was imprisoned on charges of "sending news" and "illegal ownership of a fax machine"?

Review:Loy (spade)

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 16:42, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook are all fine. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Loy (spade)

• ... that the loy is an early Irish spade used for manual ploughing prior to and during the Irish Potato Famine?

• Reviewed: 127th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Back to back nominations that reference Dashiell Hammett--what are the odds? (see mine just above). Date, length, and hook all check out here. Only two small issues. First, DYK rules require at least one citation per paragraph; the Synge paragraph still needs one. (You might also follow up by mentioning that story turns out to be a lie, if I remember right.) Second, I wonder if you could find a slightly more engaging hook here, like:

ALT1: ... that loy digging is an integral part of Ireland's National Ploughing Championships? Khazar (talk) 16:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I also tweaked the original above for clarity and force, but feel free to revert if you disagree. Cheers Khazar (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I've added the Playboy ref and added a little more on the killing being untrue. I prefer your tweaked version of the original hook if thats ok? (Mine read a little awkwardly) I feel the famine ref is more likely to pique the interest of an international audience where the ploughing match is something really only of interest to Irish readers. I could suggest:

ALT2 ...that the loy was used for cultivating potatoes during the the Irish Potato Famine?

GainLine ♠ _♥ 09:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to go for all three hooks. I'm fine with the original one. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 15:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Koentjaraningrat

• ... that "father of Indonesian anthropology" Koentjaraningrat rescued books from the National Library of Indonesia during the Japanese occupation of Indonesia?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Review: Newton Cannon (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

There is also ALT1

"... that "father of Indonesian anthropology" Koentjaraningrat joined the student militia as an English and history teacher during the Indonesian National Revolution?"

which may be more interesting. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

127th (Parachute) Field Ambulance

• ... that in Operation Manna the 127th (Parachute) Field Ambulance treated 628 casualties and carried out 214 surgical operations?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 12:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed South American dreadnought race below Jim Sweeney (talk) 12:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

:  AGF on ref.  Very well constructed article GainLine  ♠  ♥ 16:05, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

South American dreadnought race

• ... that the Brazilian government's order for dreadnought battleships (pictured) led to a South American naval arms race?

Created by The ed17 (talk). Self nom at 09:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• If anyone can come up with a better hook, I'm all ears. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 09:47, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Jim Sweeney (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Lo (film)

• ... that the idea for the 2009 experimental comedy-horror film Lo came after the director had watched Jan Švankmajer's 1994 film Faust?

• Comment: reviewed #Death of Selena [37] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 09:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 09:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook are all ok. Might not be a bad idea to remove a couple links from the hook though. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hjalmar Pettersen, Bibliotheca Norvegica

• ... that the four volumes of Bibliotheca Norvegica by Hjalmar Pettersen comprise together more than 3,300 pages?

• ALT1:... that Norwegian librarian and bibliographer Hjalmar Pettersen registered every work in the Bibliotheca Norvegica himself?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 08:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Dan Savage bibliography below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 08:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Dan Savage bibliography

• ... that the bibliography of Dan Savage includes recognition with a PEN West Award for Excellence in Creative Nonfiction and a Lambda Literary Award?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 07:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed Ninay. -- Cirt (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Everything checks out - impressive. P.S: Shouldn't it be listed there rather than here? ;) --Eisfbnore ^talk 08:57, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Carex hirta

• ... that Carex hirta (pictured) is the type species of the genus Carex?

• ALT1:... that the European sedge Carex hirta (pictured) was first found in North America in 1877?
• ALT2:... that Carex hirta has hairy glumes and utricles (pictured)?
• Reviewed: Ricardo Uceda ([38])

Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 06:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 is the only one I could possibly support, the others are simply binomials and technical language that will not inform the vast majority of readers. ALT1 is also the most boring: perhaps some combination:

• (Last hook)... that the European sedge Carex hirta (pictured), distinguished by hairy glumes and utricles, was first found in North America in 1877? Kevin McE (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that. It's not easy to make sedges exciting! --Stemonitis (talk) 16:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Last hook is fine. Confirm 1877 and the rest is reffed but offline Victuallers (talk) 14:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ricardo Uceda

• ... that journalist Ricardo Uceda helped locate the mass grave of the La Cantuta massacre victims?

Reviewed:Villa Gesell

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook all check out. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Nínay

Bookcover for Pedro A. Paterno's Ninay, the first Filipino novel.

• … that Nínay, the first Filipino novel, (bookcover pictured) provides a "folkloristic tour" of the distinctive culture of the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 04:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed article Minden Cemetery. - AnakngAraw (talk) 04:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC) - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• . Date and size of article check out alright, as does the cited info. Just make sure to add additional fields for the cites for easier WP:V, I would suggest WP:CIT templates. -- Cirt (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Can this be used for June 12, the declaration of Philippine Independence. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

White-winged Widowbird

• ... that non-breeding male White-winged Widowbirds have yellow shoulders?

Created/expanded by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 02:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Angel Delgadillo BarkingMoon (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Expansion was from 388 to 2371 prose per DYKcheck.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:04, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems good to go, but first a pair of details. One, the information in the hook should be referenced at the end of the sentence, not at the end of the paragraph. And second, the name in bold is the name of the article, and perhaps the scientific name. Names in other languages are valuable information, but you don't have to bold them, not if that generates whole lines of bolded text. Cambalachero (talk) 02:13, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Added the ref. As for the bolded text, see I did the same thing in another article and no one said anything. So I'd like to know what the real deal is here, I shouldn't have to change style merely because reviewers have different preferences. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

This is not a personal preference, it's something defined at the manual of style (section "Foreign language"). The other reviewer must have overlooked that. Cambalachero (talk) 02:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

What I usually do is as a biology taxon article grows, I'd place the exhaustive list of names into the taxonomy section, just leaving one or two most widely used in the lead. Many names are archaic, colloquial or esoteric. This way we avoid a sea of bold in the lead, which we are then focussing on to summarise the key points. I will do this in an hour or so.Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. I just wanted to know what the real standard is. Cas, after you fix this article, I'll mimic the change in the other one. BarkingMoon (talk) 10:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Check it now. BarkingMoon (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. By the way, in the future you must add new nominations at the section of the day when the article was started (check the article history, the time may be different than your local time), not at the "today" section. Cambalachero (talk) 21:14, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Death of Selena

File:Room 158 of the Days Inn.jpg
Add alt-text!

• ... that Selena drove Yolanda Saldivar, who falsely claimed of being rape, to the emergency room, several hours before Saldivar murdered Selena in her Days Inn motel room (pictured)?

Created/expanded by AJona1992 (talk). Self nom at 00:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• Hook is confusing. Article needs copyedit for punctuation and spelling. Nominator needs to review one. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Mexican American singer-songwriter Selena was murdered by an employee who claimed she was seeking help after being raped? I think that is the gist of the proposal Kevin McE (talk) 13:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I lack prose, although I am a native English-language speaker, c/e isn't my thing. I have proposed a peer review so I can fix those problems. ALT2 ... that Mexican-American singer-songwriter, Selena was murdered by an employee who claimed she was raped, in order to delay the handover of missing bank statements she had stoled? or something like that? AJona1992 (talk) 14:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The image in this hook may be a copyright violation. Nominator born in 1992 and her death was in 1995. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 21:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 2

Mimulus michiganensis

• ... that a biologist discovered a population of the rare and endangered Michigan monkeyflower after he found a specimen used as a garnish on his plate at a restaurant?

• Reviewed: Peter Dawson

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ahmad Taufik and Tomy Winata

• ... that journalist Ahmad Taufik has been taken to court by both the Suharto government and Tomy Winata, one of Indonesia's richest businessmen?

Note: This hook includes two new articles, Ahmad Taufik and Tomy Winata.

Reviewed: Chris Traeger and White-headed Buffalo-weaver

Created by Khazar (talk) and Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 08:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Chris Traeger

• ... that Parks and Recreation character Chris Traeger has been described as "one of the great comedic creations of the past couple years" and one of Rob Lowe's funniest performances?

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed James Hedges [39] — Hunter Kahn 05:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
  • In the spirit of WP:IAR, I am asking for a bit of leniency here on the expansion size. Prior to my edits this article was 3,186 characters long, and is presently about 14,847 characters long. That means it's only about 1,000 characters short of a true 5x expansion. However, I think the article is about as large as its going to get (in fact, I will probably be bringing it to WP:GAN soon) and I don't want to simply add more just to reach the 5x limit. The expansion has been pretty vast and is thoroughly sourced and cited, and I don't think it's out of line to ask a slight exception on those last 1,000 characters. — Hunter Kahn 05:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Date and hook check out fine. Perhaps I'll be overruled on this, but I agree that you deserve some leniency on the length, as this article is very well expanded and researched, and particularly as you've included several nice block quotes in boxes that don't count toward the DYK character total. Good to go, I say. Khazar (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Marks

• ... that television writer Dennis Marks not only provided episodes of Batfink and The Beatles, but he was also the voice of the Green Goblin?

5x expanison/created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 15:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewing Noldi Schreck

• Date and length check out. However, there are some minor issues with referencing. The in-line citation give for the claim that Marks had written episodes of The Beatles is vague. The source given for this claim is an interview with Marks in which he says that the producer "wanted him for the new series" but does not explicitly state he worked on it. So it does not confirm per se that he actually wrote the episodes (nitpicking, I know, but that's what we do around here). His IMDb entry says he wrote 39 episodes of The Beatles (albeit uncredited). Also, there is no in-line citation for the claim that he provided voice for the Green Goblin. The IMDb page does credit him with providing the voice of Green Goblin for a single episode of "Spider Man", so I suggest adding IMDb to both sentences as references. Other than that the nomination is good to go. Timbouctou (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've now used the Beatles site twice as it mentions the four writers (including Marks) who put the show together, and I've linked the interview to the Green Goblin line as it states right at the top of the interview in the banner that he was the voice of the GG. FruitMonkey (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

James Hedges

• ... that in 2001, James Hedges (pictured) of Thompson Township, Fulton County, Pennsylvania became the first Prohibition Party member elected in a partisan election since 1959?

Created by William S. Saturn (talk). Self nom at 04:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Dedi, [40]
• Date, hook and length all check out, and image seems OK. — Hunter Kahn 04:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Noldi Schreck

• ... that Siberian-born Noldi Schreck, set decorator for the 1965 drama, Love Has Many Faces, was nicknamed "the architect of Zona Rosa"?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 04:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Sie werden euch in den Bann tun, BWV 183

Needs some work, have contacted the article maker for clarification. FruitMonkey (talk) 14:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

White-headed Buffalo-weaver

• ... that the White-headed Buffalo-weaver (pictured) builds nests with multiple rooms and a downward-facing entrance?

5x expanded by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

A 97 to 3005 char prose expansion, 30x. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Giggle incontinence BarkingMoon (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out, and your hook source is my favorite zoo on earth. Good to go. Khazar (talk) 08:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Asafo Interchange

• ... that Asafo Interchange was the first flyover to be built in Kumasi in the Ashanti region of Ghana?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 00:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Volkswagen Westmoreland Assembly Plant [[41]]

Dedi

• ... that Dedi was an ancient Egyptian magician who was said to be capable of resurrecting decapitated beings?

Created by Nephiliskos (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Have taken liberty of tweaking proposal for what I guess is a non-native user nominator (capitalise Egyptian, capable for able) Kevin McE (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out but the statement in the article does not have a source immediately behind it.--William S. Saturn (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

??? Excuse me, it might be that I misanderstood. But what are you talking about? There are well-setted references in this article. That the sources are`nt of your language doesn`t automatically mean that they are not credible. For those possible doubts please talk with user:AnnekeBart, please.--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Sadiq al-Ahmar

• ... that Sadiq al-Ahmar, leader of rebel tribesmen in the 2011 Yemeni uprising, earned his small aircraft pilot's licence while studying in the United States in 1987?

Created by Lothar von Richthofen (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual. Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination, but no more than six weeks before the occasion. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

June 6 (Queensland Day)

Anzac Avenue

• ... that Anzac Avenue is the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland?

Reviewed: Amie mac Ruari ([42])

5x expanded by Lankiveil (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out - ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good indeed. I just think it's a shame you couldn't use it on the main page today as it's ANZAC day. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. That was the intention, but you know, procrastination ;). Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 22:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC).

Queensland "was named in honour of Queen Victoria, who on 6 June 1859 signed Letters Patent separating the colony from New South Wales." (Copied from Queensland#Etymology.) So 6 June 2011, which is only a few weeks ahead, may be a good day to put a photo of this street in Queensland on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of doing it as a Queensland Day one, but I quite like the idea, and have no objections at all! 110.174.224.43 (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC).

Please be encouraged to get a good photo to go with the hook. You still have 4 weeks. Lots of time. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Interest factor (Criterion 1) is rather low: is there a longer one in another Australian state? If not, can you widen the claim to "in Australia", or even "in Australasia"? Tony (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the claim cannot be widened: Great Ocean Road is the longest war memorial road in the world, it's a World War I memorial, and it's in the Australian state of Victoria. OCNative (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm afraid it's pretty flat (2 out 10 on the Lame Index). And the article is not the most fascinating. What about this, at 199 characters?

• ALT1

• ... that a committee in the 1920s raised the funds that enabled what had been a collection of tracks to be turned into Anzac Avenue, the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland? Tony (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It assumes the reader understands the concept of "World War I memorial road". Is it a regional thing? I note that Anzac Avenue has "Roads Intersected", "Early History"and "Recent History" which should be sentence case. "businessnam" should be 'businessman'. "Fundraising proceeded steadily, with a large billboard being erected on Queen Street in Brisbane, featuring a car that moved forward a step for every £1000 raised" tells me about a cute billboard but I wonder if there's a hidden meaning that I can't see. Lightmouse (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, I'd never heard of a World War I memorial road before seeing this hook, but it seemed pretty self-evident to me that it's a road that serves as a memorial to World War I soldiers. Just now, I took the 30 seconds to fix the typo and capitalization issues you found but for whatever reason chose not to fix yourself. Reading the source, there's no hidden meaning on the billboard, it is exactly what it says.

I like Tony's ALT hook, but how about this one to tighten it up:
ALT2:... that a committee in the 1920s raised the funds to turn a collection of tracks into Anzac Avenue, the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland? OCNative (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, my wording was a bit loose. Also, I was too lazy to properly read through the article to determine whether parts of the route were already well-advanced beyond tracks. Maybe I'm being too fussy about that. (if not, "raised the funds to turn what had been a ..."). You might consider "series of tracks" rather than "collection of tracks". Otherwise, looks good. Tony (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I understand what World War I memorial road means. But it's as bizarre a concept to me as the "world's brightest Iraq War memorial street lamp". It's not a big deal, I'm just thinking out loud.

I fix thousands of typos and capitalization issues myself. In review pages (like FA, GA, and this one) it's sometimes worth talking openly about basic issues. It's not just you and me, onlookers need to know. Each problem mention at review may result in 100 articles being fixed outside review. I've done an update to the article that includes fixing sentence case and spelling. I've no objection to it proceeding. Lightmouse (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't recall what was causing my grumpiness just then. What I very poorly conveyed is I'd fix small things rather than hold up the nomination. What you did with this comment and what I did with this comment is more the model I recommend (correcting non-time-consuming problems and then noting the correction in the nomination). Obviously, the more time-intensive corrections (such as those various conversion issues) you've described on various other nominations should be the responsibility of the nominator to fix. OCNative (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. This is my first encounter with DYK candidates and it's a steep learning curve. As you've seen, I've changed from the review-only model and now use the review+fix model you suggest. Lightmouse (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

June 12 (Pentecost)

Ipomopsis sancti-spiritus

• ... that the Holy Ghost ipomopsis, a rare flower found in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico, is predicted to become extinct in 50 years?

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook reference (3) all check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Shall we wait for Pentecost? Probably a little too far ahead in future.... --PFHLai (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't work for me. Readers shouldn't have to click on a link to see the interest. What the hell is it, and how does it relate to the end of the sentence? Tony (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the idea of DYK is to encourage us to look at the articles. When I did, I noticed the following areas in need of improvement:

• Sangre de Cristo Mountains: the unit 'meter' is correctly shown as 'm' in tables and parentheses. But 'feet' is written in full when it should be abbreviated.
• New Mexico: "density of 16 per square mile", "temperature lows in the 20's and into the teens", "1.9 fatalities per million miles", "2,354 route miles", "1000 were the route miles" need conversions. "The 10 Most Populous New Mexico Cities and Towns" needs to be sentence case. "Land Area sq. miles" needs to be sentence case and needs conversions. "tax rate of about 30 mills" and "average millage was about 26.47", I wasn't aware that articles went into such esoteric detail on taxes but if terms like that are essential, they probably need clarification within the text.

I don't know the procedure here but if my comments are off-topic for this page, feel free to ignore them or tell me to take a hike. Lightmouse (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, your comments are way on-topic. We don't attend enough to the state of the associated articles, which receive huge exposure and need to shine, even in their early stages. Tony (talk)

There's no good reason to deny or force a rewrite of this nomination exclusively due to failings in other articles. Many nominators (including myself) are not up to improving articles that are only tangentially related to the topics that we know. Nyttend (talk) 15:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

June 18

White dress of Marilyn Monroe

• ... that the white dress which Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction on June 18, 2011?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and references are all good but for such an iconic dress is a more eye-catching hook not possible? Unless the intention would be to save this hook until the day of the auction? Basement12 (T.C) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

For if we save it for the 18th of June: ALT1 "... that the white dress which Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea to save it for June 18. Additionally, the hook could mention the expected auction price of 1 to 2 million dollars. So:

• ALT2 "... that the white dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today and may sell for one to two million dollars? --Orlady (talk) 05:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

A little shorter: ALT3 "... that the white dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today and may fetch up to two million dollars?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Source for the alts is fine, I'll check with the Dr that holding the nom for the day of the auction is ok. I guess a problem may arise if the auction is changed for any reason - this will need checking closer to the time - Basement12 (T.C) 12:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT4... that Marilyn Monroe's white dress (pictured) from The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today and auction estimates range from one to two million dollars?... (And do DYK?s ever have pictures with them?) Shearonink (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
  

They can, but they must be free (i.e. not fair-use). Removing the image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

How about this one then? Oh, and can we place this DYK into the Special occasion holding area for June 18th? Shearonink (talk) 14:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

We are waiting for the nom, Dr. Blofeld to agree. As to the picture, I am attempting to make a more complete one out of the public domain trailer. I am not very good with Photoshop, so we'll see if it can pass muster... I am going to assume that it could pass muster at 100px. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I finished the image. I think it may be okay at 100px, but at larger resolutions... well, anyways, we seem to have a PD image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it looks great, but I guess it's up to the moving admins to include or not? Shearonink (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Glad you like it. It could be refined by anyone who cared enough to make it look decent at a higher resolution. BTW, I contacted Moonriddengirl to ask about the copyright status. While we're at it: ALT4 "... that the white dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch (pictured) is up for auction today and may fetch up to two million dollars?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks great, thumbs-up from me. Paging Dr. Blofeld, paging Dr. Blofeld... --Shearonink (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Blofeld has gone missing. I moved this to the special occasion area. Let's go with ALT4, with image, on June 18th. --Orlady (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I have requested feedback regarding the copyright status of the image at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. There should be enough time to have it checked, but we may need to go with ALT2 or ALT3 if it is decided that it may not be a public domain image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Should that not be, combining both of the ALT4s...

• ALT5... that the white dress (pictured) that Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today and may fetch up to two million dollars? - Basement12 (T.C) 22:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT5 is nice too. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Well in the continued absence of Dr. Blofeld i'll give this a tick for alt4/alt5 on the 18 June on the proviso that it'll need to be checked that the auction is still happening - Basement12 (T.C) 07:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

June 19

Rizal Law

• ... that the Catholic Church in the Philippines threatened to close all Catholic schools if the Rizal Bill of 1956 was passed (José Rizal pictured)?

• ALT1: that the debates to enact the Rizal Law (José Rizal pictured) in 1956 is compared to the current Reproductive Health bill debate in the Philippines?

• Comment: Suggest a June 19 date as it is Rizal's 150th birth anniversary.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, length, date check out. Good to go. ALT1 is more catchy.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 23:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed Elections in Pichilemu. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 19:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

July 1 (Canada Day)

Declaration of war by Canada

• ... that other than the Second World War, there has never been a declaration of war by Canada?

• Reviewed: Bardhyl Ajeti ([43])
• Comment: Could this hook be saved for an appearance on Canada Day (July 1)?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• date length and hook verified Jim Sweeney (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

This is your ideal DYK. Punchy, short, arresting. Tony (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Tony! OCNative (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game

• ... that Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, published in 1899, was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are still known to exist?

• Reviewed: Czerwono-Czarni

Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• , accepting offline refs and suggest adding of project tags to talk page. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Might I suggest this be moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 1, Canada Day? OCNative (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't have any particular preference as to when it's run. Do as you think is best. Maxim_(talk) 19:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay, hockey! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Wikisource now has the complete copy. Possibly a link to it embedded in the text of the hook, from the anchor "book", or isn't that allowed? The focus of interest barely passes, IMO. What might inject impact into the hook could come from knowing how little was written about any sport in the terms taken by the book. That would require 15 mins of searching on your part. I'd love something like "... hockey]] and one of the most detailed of its day on any sport?" But only if it's true.  :-) Tony (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's difficult to judge with regards to a comparison, because only four copies of the book are known to exist. Would something like "... was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are known to exist?" work? I think external links are frowned upon in DYK, but maybe Wikisource could be an exception? This would be best answered by someone with more DYK experience. Maxim_(talk) 16:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, works for me. Consider "still known to exist". Tony (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've amended the hook per your suggestion. Thanks, Maxim_(talk) 22:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• For clarity's sake, here's the icon. OCNative (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)