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Edit reversions

hi imHisExcellencyAadi (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC) and you just reverted my edit on the islamic state. i would like to know the reason as i did not think i typed anything wrong and all my edits were in good faith. Thank You HisExcellencyAadi (talk) 15:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

It's unsourced opinion. Gob Lofa (talk) 15:56, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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I just wanted to say: Thank You for your attention to detail in the Gaia hypothesis article.  :) --Qgil (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

I appreciate your astute corrections to the Forestry article (diff here). I looked back at the original blanking action by Anonymous that you say was unexplained. I think I know the reason after looking at the first of two edits by this vandal (diff here). His first replacement of content was with this sentence in poor English:

"Today i started a stupid english paper on a carear and my stupid teacher want let me plagerize."

The next edit was the blanking of the entire section. I think what happened is that some student, angry with his teacher for not letting him plagiarize the text from Wikipedia, decided to do so anyway, and then deleted the section in order to cover his tracks. At least you have to give him a star for ingenuity! Too bad for him that this trick does not get by the vigilant editors like yourself who are diligently watching for suspicious edits on Wikipedia. I guess this puts new meaning to the phrase, "memorize and destroy!" Let's hope other students in the same situation don't try this again. :-) It is not quite the use that was intended for Wikipedia. Thank goodness for the "History" pages, though. --Skol fir (talk) 23:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow! If you're right, I would definitely give him a star for ingenuity! But it could come back to haunt him now. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, plagiarism does come back to haunt many a politician or academic person, doesn't it? I can think of some recent examples, like the Dean of a University in this recent story from Alberta, Canada -- U. of Alberta dean faces plagiarism investigation. For the sake of the student who remains anonymous, I hope the essay was already marked. Otherwise, he may have to do the course again during the summer vacation. Serves him right! --Skol fir (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

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Decline reason: You are blocked directly and must use {{unblock}} to appeal your block. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• Looking into this, as this is a checkuser block. Courcelles 00:03, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• My sincere apologies for the block, it looks like you were collateral damage in my check. I have unblocked you, and given you an IP Block exemption for the time being. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 00:13, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Good stuff, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 07:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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I reverted this edit to the Endeavour article, and thought I should explain why. I'm generally a supporter of wikilinks as they help readers find related topics of interest. But:

• Some terms you wikilinked, like sun and Pacific, are common words which are understandable to virtually all readers without needing a specific link. The Manual of Style discourages links to common words as it can make the article hard to navigate.
• A couple of other terms you linked, like "Transit of Venus" and "skiff" were already wikilinked higher up in the article. Again the Manual of Style discourages wikilinking terms multiple times on the same page.
• Removal of the word "Royal" from an appearance of "Royal Society" - this improved readability but I'd argue that "Society" itself is not so clear in the context of the page; and
• Expanding "powder magazine" to "gunpowder magazine" - I had no particularly strong view except that "powder magazine" is the more accepted term. However if you're keen on gunpowder being referred to instead please feel free to re-add.

Happy to discuss, and Happy New Year. Euryalus (talk) 01:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, it all sounds good except #3, there's only one Society being referred to in the article. Gob Lofa (talk) 03:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Your link to southern Iceland was redirected to Farthings of Iceland. I wp:piped it to the latter with [[Farthings of Iceland|southern Iceland]]. Try that next time. I saw the change to Katla and was hoping for interesting news! Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Cool, thanks Jim. I've been waiting on Katla myself for a while. Gob Lofa (talk) 03:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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I edit a lot. Care to be more specific?

March 2014

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The reason was that the content was duplicated — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gob Lofa (talk • contribs) 03:42, 2 March 2014‎

That is true, but you did not say so. You can't expect other editors to somehow guess the reasons why you make changes. See my message below about using edit summaries. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The content was duplicated quite on purpose. The goal of the lede paragraph(s) is to summarize the body of the article. The lede should never have original information in it that is not also in the body. Elizium23 (talk) 18:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The exact same sentence word for word, though? In the very next paragraph? Gob Lofa (talk) 03:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Blocked for disruptive editing? Where?

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See block message ... all these dab notices finally got to be too much. I'd add that this edit, even if it's not been reverted, may come under the Troubles ArbCom case. — Daniel Case (talk) 04:07, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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The block notice says "persistent disruptive editing, as documented on this page". That means that the reasons for the block are mentioned in the numerous messages which have been posted to you, and which you have ignored. I singled out the issue of linking to disambiguation pages, because that is the issue that is most commonly mentioned. However, if you look above you will see other issues. I will now mention just one other problem. There are several messages above asking you to use edit summaries, the earliest dating from 14 April 2011, and the most recent from 1 March 2014. It is really unhelpful to make edits with no attempt at all to explain to other editors what you are doing and why. When you edit a page, below the editing area there is a little box labelled "Edit summary (Briefly describe the changes you have made)". Please always type into that box a brief explanation of what you are doing. For example, in the Pope Gregory XI edit mentioned above, you could have written "removing duplication of statement already made", which would have made your purpose clear. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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March 2014

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Your continued use of DAB links creates work for others.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim, thanks for writing. I have to say that, having checked out your helpful link to Wikipedia:Vandalism, I'm not sure your and Wikipedia's definition coincide. I'm a bit more horrified that someone who makes this mistake is allowed to decide who gets blocked. I certainly wish I'd seen your notice, no matter its accuracy, before now. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps it's not strictly vandalism. Jim's choice of words was ill-advised. But it is certainly disruptive editing and he was well within his rights to issue you a warning template for your behavior. But, you ignored it, so enjoy the vacation time. Elizium23 (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

"Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page." - you're not being very strict there at all, are you? Gob Lofa (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Phil, I figured an edit as basic as simple linking didn't merit an edit summary that would take longer than the edit. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for continuing unhelpful editing. It is really unfortunate to have to block you, as most of your editing is good. However, blocking appears to be the only thing that has any chance of getting your attention, as you regularly ignore talk page messages. You have continued to link to disambiguation pages, and you have continued to almost never use edit summaries, despite repeated messages about those problems, and a short block. I have also found a few other problems in your recent editing, including other inappropriate links, and removing content from articles without any explanation, which is another thing that you have previously been warned about. As has previously been explained to you, these problems cause extra work for other editors, as they have to spend time checking to see what needs to be done to clean up when you have linked to inappropriate pages, spend time checking to see whether unexplained changes without any obvious reason should be reverted, or whether they do actually have good reasons. Please take the small amount of trouble required to (a) give edit summaries briefly explaining what you are doing and why, (b) check links that you give, making sure that they do actually link to suitable targets, and not to disambiguation pages, pages with titles that seem relevant, but are actually unrelated to the article you are linking from, etc etc. Also, please start taking notice of messages on this talk page, including answering other editors who raise questions, and cleaning up yourself when you are told you have made a mistake (such as linking to a disambiguation page), rather than leaving it for someone else to chase round and correct your mistakes. As I have already said, most of your editing is good, and I do not like blocking basically good editors, but after the enormous number of times you have been told of problems, your total failure to change your ways leaves no other option. The last block made no difference to your editing: I hope that this one will prompt you to change your ways, as the only alternative seems to be a much longer block, which would be most unfortunate. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

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That blows. I stopped reading those messages a long time ago as they were always from bots, a situation that changed only recently. I regret that now because I've missed non-bot messages about discussions that would have interested me, as well as making it look like I'm determined to ignore any criticism of my edits. If you feel the need to keep the block going all week, that's up to you, but does it really need to cover talk pages? Gob Lofa (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking like a big yes. Thanks for staying in touch. Gob Lofa (talk) 05:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me that you have just proven how determined you are to ignore criticism. By placing the {{bots}} template to deny DPL bot from notifying you about disambiguation links and by not addressing the reason you were blocked, you're not making a good case for your unblock or continued presence here on Wikipedia. You are not entitled to ignore messages simply because they come from bots operating here on Wikipedia. Bots operate on behalf of humans for very good reasons, mainly to reduce repetetive and arduous tasks. DPL bot was designed to reduce the load on other editors who have to clean up after people like you, by notifying you directly of your mistakes so you can fix them personally. By denying DPL bot, you're essentially giving the finger to the community and telling us that we will be cleaning up after you whether we like it or not. As a member of the community, I resent that message, and I support the admin's block wholeheartedly, because it seems that you are not getting the message here. Elizium23 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Strange as it may sound to you given the assumptions you've been making, I believed I was being offered an opt-out because the bot had undone my edits and no further action was necessary on my part. Thanks for (inadvertently) clearing that up. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for using another account, Pollo Negro, to evade the previous block issued by JamesBWatson. This has been confirmed by a checkuser. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.  Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 15:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth to you, if you had either posted a request for an unblock, or simply drawn my attention to this page by posting a link to my account, I would seen that you have now started to respond to messages, and I would have been happy to unblock you. However, as it is, I did not know about it. (My guess is that your remark "Looking like a big yes. Thanks for staying in touch" was supposed to be a sarcastic way of criticising me for not coming back to check. However, I make edits at a rate of roughly 1000 per month, not counting admin actions and deleted edits. I do not go back to check every one of them every day on the off chance that someone may have made a response to it.) I hope you are never blocked again, but if you are, and want to request a block, then use the method explained in the block notices above. Just posting a message here and hoping someone will see it and respond to it is very much a hit-and-miss method. Also, it may be helpful to know that if you post a message in which you link to another user's account, and sign the message with four tildes, the user will get a notification, so they can come here and see what you want. You can do this by posting a message which includes (for example) [[User:JamesBWatson]], and make sure you end the message with ~~~~. Alternatively, you can use {{Reply|JamesBWatson}}, which will show on the page as @JamesBWatson. The reason why I am here now is that the link to my username in the block notice just above this message caused me to get a notification.

A bot can recognise a link to a disambiguation page, and give you a message about it so that you can correct the error. However, there is no way that it can correct the error for you, as it has no way of telling which of the links in the disambiguation page is the one that you meant. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both. I feel like a Wikipedia-disruption-tornado in recovery. Trite as it sounds, I just don't know what came over me. With your help, I feel a brighter day is dawning. For my sake, and the sakes of my victims, please keep up the good work. Gob Lofa (talk) 18:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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Not a sock puppet Gob Lofa (talk) 19:21, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Blocking checkuser says otherwise. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 20:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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Perhaps the blocking checkuser could tell us, a sockpuppet of whose? Gob Lofa (talk) 22:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) Those would be Heavy Knife (talk · contribs) and Pollo Negro (talk · contribs) according to the edits made by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk · contribs) as you were blocked. Elizium23 (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

No, the block statement reads "This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet". It's specifying this account, not those two. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

You understand that a sock puppet is an illegitimate alternate account, right? The two I mentioned were used by you to evade the block on the account of Gob Lofa (talk · contribs). Elizium23 (talk) 23:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I understand that perfectly. What I don't understand is why this account is being described as a sockpuppet account. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Not a sockpuppet (see above) Gob Lofa (talk) 12:29 pm, Today (UTC+1)

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So this is the master account rather than the sock account. So what? Yunshui 雲‍水 12:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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What am I missing? If you concede it's incorrect, why is it being described as a sockpuppet account in the blocking statement? I'm not happy that something that's untrue is the reason given for the block. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

The reason given in the logs for the (current) block is {{checkuserblock-account}}. Since it seems to upset you, I've also removed the template above which indicated that this account was a sockpuppet, instead of a sockpuppeteer. Happy now? Yunshui 雲‍水 13:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not the fact of the template that upset me but what it said. What you've done is remove the false justification given for the block but left the block in place. The link you gave me to that template tells me "CheckUser evidence has determined that this user account has been or may be used abusively. It has been blocked permanently to prevent abuse." That's a little vague. What abuse? Gob Lofa (talk) 15:43, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

What abuse? Using sockpuppets.Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 20:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

I feel we're making progress now. Can this be confirmed by the blocking admin? Gob Lofa (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

We're being worked.Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 00:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Jim, this is Kafkaesque enough already. You need to be explicit. Gob Lofa (talk) 01:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Or not, it's up to you. It's quite possible the blocker is referring to my previous tendency to avoid edit summaries or create bad links. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Still a huge lack of clarity about reason for block and where to go from here. Reason for block has been removed but not replaced and block remains in place. Gob Lofa (talk) 09:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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Block is for using sockpuppets to evade a previous block. This has now been explained several times. As you are now misusing the unblock template through spurious requests I am, with some reluctance, disabling talkpage access. Euryalus (talk) 11:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

It hasn't been explained by the blocker until recently. An incorrect reason was given, then removed and not replaced. Others came and gave explanations but not the blocker and I had no notion of how accurate these explanations were, given the blocker's silence. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Gob Lofa. I'm the blocking admin/checkuser. I checked your account while you were blocked and noted that you were using another account to evade the block. I looked into this deeply and, as far as I could see, the two accounts were behaviourally and technically indistinguishable. This is as explicit as I'm going to be. You were given a chance to edit sensibly, but you were blocked to prevent disruption to the project. You created another account to evade that block, then, when that account was blocked, you created another account to do exactly the same thing. Evading blocks in this manner is simply not acceptable. I'm not happy to support an unblock unless you can convince the unblocking administrator that you will contribute constructively to Wikipedia. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 11:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Chase, thanks for finally getting back to me. I must say, I'm a little horrified that you've now blocked this account from editing even this talk page. I can't decide if I'm more disgusted by that or your decision to do it at the same time you finally replied, a decision you make no reference to in your reply (I'm presuming you're the culprit for this extension of the block, no-one else has come forward). I'm uncertain why you simultaneously suggest convincing an unblocking administrator and compel me to edit here using an IP address. JamesBWatson writes about his block of me: "you have now started to respond to messages, and I would have been happy to unblock you. However, as it is, I did not know about it." Obviously, you disagree. I've been editing for years without problems. I wish you'd stop doing what you're doing. 86.45.61.107 (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC) I apologise for presuming you had also blocked me from editing here, I hadn't seen Euryalus' message at that point. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Anticipating your request, I have restored talkpage access so you can respond to Chase's comment above while actually logged in. With respect, the apparent wikilawyering over which account was a sockpuppet and which the sockmaster, didn't seem to advance your case. But again, feel free to log in again and respond to Chase directly.

On an unrelated topic, I think this may have been mentioned above but if not - the DPL bot doesn't correct or revert the wikilinks you've created to disambiguation pages, it just notifies you of them. If an unblock occurs, please consider going back through your past edits and fixing the links. Euryalus (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it was mentioned about the DPL bot and it's my intention to get on that if I'm permitted. About wikilawyering, first I got called a vandal. If I hadn't challenged that by referring to Wikipedia's definition of vandalism it would have stood and anyone coming to this page may have believed it. You may consider this Wikipedia:Wikilawyering, to me it's important that how I edit Wikipedia is not falsely portrayed. I wasn't disputing the use of sockpuppets, I was perplexed that the blocker seemed to believe that this account was a sockpuppet account of another, giving the impression that a sockpuppet account was being prevented from being used again rather than that I was being blocked for having used sockpuppets elsewhere. Chase was quite specific about this when it would have been just as easy to use clear language describing the reason for the block e.g. "this user has used sockpuppet accounts". Again, you may consider this wikilawyering. I'm just bemused at the lack of accuracy when blocking a user indefinitely after years of problem-free editing. Wikipedia:Sock puppetry says "If a person is found to be using a sock puppet, the sock puppet account(s) should be blocked indefinitely. The main account may be blocked at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator." The main account didn't have to be blocked. The original block, the reason I started sockpuppeteering, would have been lifted if the blocker knew all the facts, like he said above. I didn't attempt to influence votes or discussion by pretending more support than existed. It strikes me that my offences are very much at the lower end of the scale, yet I've been blocked indefinitely. What gives? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Where do I go from here? Gob Lofa (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Anyone? I don't know where to go from here, can anyone help? Gob Lofa (talk) 12:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, there is always Wikipedia:Standard offer. Elizium23 (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Given some of the stuff I've seen people do here, six months seems somewhat less than proportionate. I'm having serious difficulty getting my head around this. I've been editing for years, must be thousands of individual edits, without any bother. The original problems that came to a head recently and led to the blocks were easily resolved once my attention was brought to them. It strikes me that the letter of the law is being enforced rather than its spirit. Is this really par for the course? Gob Lofa (talk) 18:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Also, who's the unblocking administrator Chase refers to? Gob Lofa (talk) 21:38, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

The "unblocking administrator" is whichever administrator reviews your unblock appeal and decides to lift the block. The Standard Offer is - as the name suggests - pretty standard; six months' time-out tends to be the norm. I'd suggest taking it. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

This is mental. I'm still unclear as to the reason for the block. Ever since the official incorrect reason was removed no replacement has been put in place. An uninvolved admin coming here for the first time could well form the impression that I've been blocked for a week (see top of section) and wonder what all the fuss is about. Everyone bar Chase seems to believe the block is punitive, for using sockpuppets. Chase seems to imply instead that it's preventative, that he believes I'm determined to edit non-constructively, but doesn't confirm this or explain why. If it's the former, I'm a little shocked at the proposed length. If it's the latter, why is there such faith in this determination? Ever since my attention was drawn to the problem, I've used edit summaries and avoided creating disambiguation links. Does Chase really have this belief? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

This has been explained several times above, but once more, with feeling:

1. You were blocked for two days for disruptive editing.
2. You created additional accounts in order to evade the block.
3. Your block was extended for an indefinite period because of the evasion.
4. You will not be unblocked until we can be sure that you will not continue to disrupt Wikipedia.
5. You have not posted an unblock request that suggests you will not continue to disrupt Wikipedia.
6. Therefore you remain blocked.

I do not know how to make it any clearer. Yunshui ^雲_水 12:11, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You're right, it has been explained several times. My problem was it was also explained several ways. I thank you for what seems like the most likely explanation for how things got to this. You seem to be confirming that the block is a mixture of punitive and preventative. I suspected this but I'm glad to have it confirmed. I can understand the first impulse but not the second. Can you please tell me how to post an unblock request? I have to say I'm a little confused as to why you and others seem to believe I would disrupt Wikipedia. JamesBWatson seems happy I don't want to, have you spoken with him? I thought that aspect had long been laid to rest. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:15, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry = abuse/disruption. You have created multiple sockpuppets, so we expect that you will act disruptively. Your conduct on this page - at best, a surprising inability to understand, at worst, wilful obtrusiveness - has not helped alleviate that concern. As to making an unblock request, see the guide to appeals for instructions and advice. Yunshui ^雲_水 14:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't mean to obtrude, but you're being a little obtuse. I've understood perfectly anytime I've been given a proper explanation, unlike many of the throwaway comments here that purported to explain but were often contradictory. Why on earth would I create more sockpuppets if I was unblocked? Or what other disruption do you fear? I can't help but feel you're all making mountains out of molehills. Thanks for pointing me toward the guide to appeals, I appreciate it. Gob Lofa (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Per this extended talk page discussion. Sockpuppets, links to disambiguation pages, ignoring talkpage messages. Please don't do these again. Otherwise, good luck with your future editing. Euryalus (talk) 21:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

I've used that time. My block is indefinite (see above), but I understand your confusion. The template that announced the block was removed because it was inaccurate, but not replaced. Gob Lofa (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ohnoitsjamie:, could you re-review based on the above? I did indeed indef-block. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (Message me) 22:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I retracted my unblock answer. Though I see you've made lots of constructive edits, your block history shows a troubling lack of interest in following policy. I will note in your favor that your other account seems to have managed to not create any disambig links. You're going to have to specifically address both issues (block evasion and ignoring bot messages that urge you to clean up messes you've inadvertently made). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Works for me. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:52, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean address them here? I thought first you meant in my future activity. I have no intention of setting up any more sockpuppet accounts. I had no idea they would be taken so seriously when I wasn't using them for contentious edits or influencing debates/votes etc. I've no problem heeding the bot messages in future and fixing those links, as I wrote above I had been under the impression the bot had fixed the problems it referred to. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Better than heeding the bot messages would be using preview and such so that you never insert dab links in the first place, then there is no reason for a bot to notify you, and no reason for you to return and commit yet another edit to the same article. Elizium23 (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Current block aside, on the topic of addressing your editing issues, please would you read or reread the Wikipedia link guidelines. The reason I left you the message above about your missing edit comment was to prompt you to consider why you would edit an article solely to link the words "sediment", "sand" and "estuary". These are everyday words that the majority of English readers would be familiar with and since Wikipedia is not a dictionary, the links are unnecessary. Moreover, they are not germane to an article on the subject of prehistoric footprints. Multiple links make articles harder to read and are a distraction —they should be used judiciously as part of the skills required by a Wikipedia editor. I suspect that many of the disambiguation issues you created were the result of linking generic words (which tend to have multiple uses) and were thus non-productive in the creation of an encyclopedia. This is not meant to be a criticism of your enthusiasm for Wikipedia but please bear in mind the goals of the project. Good luck, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 16:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Fair point Phil, reading it now, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I for one am happy that you've made it back to the land of the living. You're a decent chap and a pretty constructive editor, from the little I have seen, and I think this little incident gave me an unfairly negative first impression of you. Thank you for not just giving up but making the effort to understand and be understood so that you can continue with a productive career here on the project. Welcome back. Elizium23 (talk) 23:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back! You know what you have to do now :) Cheers, ► Philg88 ◄ ^♦talk 04:50, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Great to hear, thank you. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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I've run a checkuser, and yes, you seem to be caught in a range block intended for someone else. However, looking at your block log I'm somewhat reluctant to grant IP block exemption. The other IP addresses you've used recently aren't blocked. Can you use a different IP? PhilKnight (talk) 09:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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• Use "Ireland" for the state except where the island of Ireland or Northern Ireland is being discussed in the same context. In such circumstances use "Republic of Ireland" (e.g. "Strabane is at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland").
• An exception is where the state forms a major component of the topic (e.g. on articles relating to states, politics or governance) where "Ireland" should be preferred and the island should be referred to as the "island of Ireland" or similar (e.g. "Ireland is a state in Europe occupying most of the island of Ireland").
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The Morris Tribunal, doesnt not mention Northern Ireland or the island, it is to do with with internal matters of the state, so why do you keep adding it? It happen near NI? Really is that a reason? So can you show where there is consensus for your edit? Murry1975 (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

You don't seem to be as familiar with the proceedings of the Tribunal as I would like. Some of the guards transported explosives across the border. At least one witness contended the guards conspired with the RUC in this endeavour: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.irish/6-KcUe7V1Zw Why are you talking about consensus, is there a discussion on this topic I'm not aware of? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:59, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Obviously you are not fimilar with it, its the exact extract from WP:IMOS. And there are many. You are now aware of it, and I see its not the first bit of consensus ignoring, with disruptive edits, you have been invovled in. Murry1975 (talk) 12:06, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

You seem to be confusing the Tribunal proceedings with the IMOS. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

What are you on about? Murry1975 (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I wrote "You don't seem to be as familiar with the proceedings of the Tribunal as I would like." You then wrote "Obviously you are not fimilar with it, its the exact extract from WP:IMOS.", ignoring the point I made about the Tribunal's NI aspect. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Personal knowledge to do with an article doesnt in any way over-ride any consensus on here, as I pointed out I quoted the exact piece that pertains to this, and you ignore that fact and introduce a link that isnt a RS or in the article, further more the use is contextual, "is being discussed in the same context" so even then the topic would have to be cross-border, or the use of both be on a par. Niether of which they are. Murry1975 (talk) 12:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't agree with your interpretation. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

If you dont agree bring it to IMOS. Stop ignoring guidelines. Murry1975 (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Bring your interpretation to IMOS? What would that achieve? I'm not ignoring anything. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Your hypocrisy is nauseating. I'm not the one reverting edits within minutes of them being made instead of waiting until consensus has been reached. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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I really need your help on the Robin Jackson article. A troll keeps removing content and I've already reverted him once. If I revert him again I'll have broken the One-Revert Rule on all Troubles articles. Thanks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Grand, I'll keep an eye. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a million!!!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Gob Lofa, I've set up a new project on Northern Ireland Troubles if you're interested in joining. Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Northern Ireland Troubles --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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Your hypocrisy is surprising; I've been waiting to have my objections on the talk page addressed since November. Have you advised the other party to the slow edit war of the possibility of a formal report? Gob Lofa (talk) 00:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Harassment

Kindly stop harassing me on my talk page. If you continue to do so, I will be reported the matter to ANI. I have repeatedly answered all your questions on Protestants of Ulster and Billy Fox talk pages. The discussion went on at the length to no clear outcome. I see no point in rehashing it. Snappy (talk) 17:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

You've answered damn-all. If you keep reverting my edits and refusing to explain your reasons, you hardly expect me to just take that lying down and it's a bit rich of you to do this and then squawk about harassment. I don't care where we have this discussion, but if you persist in your behaviour I'm determined to have it. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've answered every question from you on multiple occasions, it's all there on the talk pages. You just didn't like my answers. We won't be repeating this discussion because we've already had it. Don't question my behaviour or threaten me. It now appears because you haven't gotten your own way, you are resorting to bullying tactics. Snappy (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know who you're trying to fool but your lie won't stand up to even the most cursory examination. To give just one example, I asked you repeatedly on the talk pages mentioned above what was the point of view you kept referring to. I'd ask you to point out where you answered that question, but that would be pointless because you didn't. Either defend your contentious edits or stop making them. It's not rocket science. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I asked you to stop harassing me, yet you continue to leave abusive messages on my talk page. Don't threaten me and don't tell me what to do. Snappy (talk) 19:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Threaten you? Gob Lofa (talk) 20:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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Edit-warring caution

Your and Snappy's edits to Unionism in Ireland constitute edit-warring. You are both experienced editors and should be respecting WP:BRD and taking the issue to the talk page not reverting back and forward. Mabuska ^(talk) 19:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I have found Snappy to be unusually reticent when it comes to defending his edits, to a degree I've never come across before. Nevertheless, I'll give it another shot. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

At least you responded and took action by opening a talk page discussion. I've seen no further response to the issue by Snappy. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

In his defence in this particular instance, he seems to have been inactive since. I'll wait for a response before I edit the page again. Gob Lofa (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Keeping an eye

Not intending to sound like a threat or offensive, but I will be keeping an eye on your edits from now on. I and several other editors of differing persuasions have noticed that your edits contain hints of POV that is detrimental to articles. I suggest adhering to a neutral POV and providing credible and verifiable sources for your changes. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I'd really love to nail down what this point of view is. Gob Lofa (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Protestants of Ulster

As someone from the Protestant community of Ulster and someone from the liberal and rationale arm of unionism I find your edits to this article to be highly POV and in many ways deceptive and quite inaccurate. Please try to abide by a neutral pov as well as avoiding what appears to be a possible issue of owning an article. If others add a tag to an article you do not own the right to remove it when you have not addressed the reasons for its addition in the first place. Also remember WP:VERIFY. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

What point of view? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I've been saying this for a while now, glad someone else has finally noticed. Snappy (talk) 17:45, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

There's also a lot you haven't been saying, for example, what point of view? Gob Lofa (talk) 18:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Copy-editing

As a past member of the Guild of Copy Editors I feel I have to point that most of the edits you carry out which have the edit summary of "copy-editing" do not actually contain any instances of copy-editing. If you wish to become a copy-editor, the following link will help: Wikipedia:Basic copyediting. If not then please use a more accurate edit summary if you wish to use an edit summary. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You're an education sometimes, ta. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't hurt doing a bit of self-teaching. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Don't hold back. Gob Lofa (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

It was meant in regards to you. Mabuska ^(talk) 20:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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John Castor

I have reverted the edit you deleted. The edit was reliably sourced, the numbers cited are directly from the source, as is the history stated. There is no libel, nonsense, hoaxes, or vandalism present as my edit is factual and sourced. I am informing you here as a courtesy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotladd (talk • contribs) 03:27, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Balderdash. Gob Lofa (talk) 10:19, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Caution

Please stop changing sourced statements such as at UDA South East Antrim Brigade and changing or altering sentences that at best do their best to input a slight of bias into articles. There is a stark difference between a unionist area and somewhere that you'd call a loyalist area, and the source stated loyalist. Also as we are currently discussing republicanism and nationalism is not the same and nationalist cannot be used as a catch-all for the two. The same with your changing of loyalist to unionist. They may be related but your edits come across as trying to paint a whole community (unionists) as loyalists, which trying to make it look like they only targeted nationalists, when republicans where the target many of the times.

Add in your highly dubious removal of the map in the Protestants of Ulster article citing that it had no relevance to the article. It does. It shows the change in percentage of Protestants throughout Ulster and the rest of Ireland within the given time frame. It could be easily argued you want to hide the stark decrease of Protestants in the south after partition.

Your fondness of original research, synthesis and disrespecting sources also doesn't give a favourable impression. Add in various other little bits and pieces here and there and you have an answer to your question above on where these accusations of bias and POV are coming from.

I've just done a short gander at your recent edit history, however expect a more indepth look. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Depth away, mate. I just got reverted for describing East Belfast as loyalist, so now I'm really confused. You're wrong about the term 'nationalist' too; I told you before, they're not just related, one is a subset of the other. That map only became relevant to the article after I added content to make it relevant. You can argue I'd like to hide that if you like, but I don't reckon you'll look very clever doing it; I'd be happy to contribute to an article all about that migration. Your baseless accusation about my fondness isn't backed up by any examples, for some reason. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Disappeared (Northern Ireland), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. GiantSnowman 09:37, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I gave a valid reason. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:16, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

User:GiantSnowman Gof lofa's edits in regards to Ireland related articles, especially Trouble articles, is littered with instances of removing sourced information and convoluting other content, mostly under dubious and at times quite misleading edit summaries. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:23, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Absolute balderdash, give us an example of your convolution and misleading. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:39, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Well here is a very recent (yesterday) example of convolution where you add in original research and then add a source that does not back it up. I don't see mention of "state power", but I do see "security forces" in the source which is the first thing that came into my head when thinking of how to describe the RUC and USC. Likewise the source makes it clear that the B Specials are a unit within the USC, yet you word it as if the USC and B Specials are simply alternate names for each other disregarding the other units in the USC. Also "had a worse reputation"?, I must of missed that in the source, but the source does state "notorious" in regards to the B Specials. My rewrite of this closer matches the source you provided, and maybe it will help show you how to use sources better. Mabuska ^(talk) 21:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Wait. I didn't replace "security forces", I replaced "existing police forces", not too clever a description of an army regiment. The B-Specials were the vast majority of the operational USC and its most public face; the terms are used interchangeably in practically every article that discusses the organisation and I've never seen you complain before. By hiding that the USC were more mistrusted than the RUC, you're tarring the RUC with the same brush, despite the latter's attempts to become fairer since the 1920s. Why are you trying to rewrite history? The RUC weren't all bad. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Who said you replaced "security forces"? I never did. It is also pushing it stating that I am trying to rewrite history by making a statement match what the source actually states rather than adding WP:OR and WP:WEASEL, hoping no-one checks the source. You on the other hand have been with many of your edits in the Troubles area. Mabuska ^(talk) 12:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

You implied it. That's not how you're rewriting history; you seem to be deliberately playing down the RUC's attempts to move toward impartiality in contrast to the USC, perhaps from some kind of anti-RUC bias you have. If anyone wants to look at OR, they could check out your stream-of-consciousness justifications on talk pages, e.g. at Talk:Glenanne gang. How is it OR or weaselly to describe a police force as an instrument of state power? Do you believe they served the Orange Order instead? Your convolution is getting worse, Mabuska. Must be about time for you to accuse someone else of it. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

If the valid reference which you keep on removing from Disappeared (Northern Ireland) is "out-of-date" as you claim then I suggest you a) relocate the content to confirm the historical position and b) introduce a new source to show it is out-of-date. If you cannot / will not do so then please do not remove the reference again; if you do then you will no doubt be heading for another block swiftly... GiantSnowman 11:01, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Can you be blocked for insisting on including outdated material in an article lede? Please be careful. There's nothing wrong with your reference; the problem is it references a person who no longer leads the commission because of death. Would the lede of any other article talk about a former boss while making no mention of the current one? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:36, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Erm the wording as it stands says "was led by forensic archaeologist John McIlwain" i.e. already indicates it is not current. As I've said, your options are to leave it alone, or to replace the info and relocate the current info/reference into an appropriate section, given that it is valid content. GiantSnowman 11:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

It's valid in the body of the article but not in the lede; given this, your options are to stop putting it back in the lede or put it somewhere else. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:37, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

If you think it's "valid in the body of the article but not in the lede" then why have you been removing it rather than re-locating it? I'd agree with a move into another section, I won't revert again. GiantSnowman 07:27, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm surprised there's anything in the lede that isn't developed further in the article. Gob Lofa (talk) 10:08, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please do not assume ownership of articles as you did at McGurk's Bar bombing. If you aren't willing to allow your contributions to be edited extensively or be redistributed by others, please do not submit them. The essence of WP:BRD which you know of is that if your edit is reverted then take it to talk to see if you can get it added to the article. Your edit has been opposed and you did not take it to talk. Your reasoning's for your selective wording is also flawed considering it only applies to one part of the statement. What is there is fine and doesn't need a weasel twist put on it to serve your pov. If it's not fine then why fear raising it at the talk page to get a consensus. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC) Mabuska ^(talk) 13:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I've no problem discussing edits on talk pages, but if you continue reverting within hours of others making edits people may come to the conclusion that you think you own the article. It applies to both parts of the statement; British soldiers had been dishing it out to Catholic civilians long before the IRA retaliated. Gob Lofa (talk) 19:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Continuing editing problems, and block

I have seen recent messages expressing concern over your editing, so I have checked your recent editing history. Mostly, your editing is fine, but there still are concerns, and what is more worrying is that some of them are the same concerns that have been expressed over a long period, some of them even being involved in connection with blocks, and yet you continue to make the same mistakes. There is a reference above to "instances of removing sourced information and convoluting other content, mostly under dubious and at times quite misleading edit summaries". I have not spent the time searching that would be required to establish how much of a problem that is, but I have certainly seen examples of edit summaries which don't do a good job of summarising what you are doing. There is also some truth in the suggestion above that you tend to exhibit an "ownership" attitude to articles. However, the single fact which strikes me most forcefully is that you are still receiving notifications of links to disambiguation pages, and doing nothing to avoid making that mistake. You have been receiving messages about that problem since December 2011. It was given as one of the reasons for a block in March 2014. The understanding that you would not continue to do it was mentioned in the message telling you that you were unblocked in April 2014. I posted what was meant to be a friendly reminder to stop linking to disambig pages in May 2015. Despite all that, you still continue to do it. It really really is easy to avoid the mistake: you just click on "Show preview" before saving your edit, then check the links that you are adding to the article: if any of them turn out to link to disambiguation pages, then you correct them before clicking "Save page". That is all there is to it. I am not sure whether there is any way of getting you to take notice, since neither messages nor blocks have dissuaded you in the past. (Counting only messages which have the wording "Disambiguation link" in their section headings, you have recieved 114 messages about it, both from a bot and from human editors.) Since nothing else works, I am trying once again blocking you for two weeks, mainly in the hope that doing so may just possibly get you to finally take notice of the disambiguation link problem, but I hope you will also consider other concerns which have been expressed. Please take note. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I must add in Gob Lofa's lack of willingness to provide anything other than bare URL citations which really mess up the reference sections of articles. Two recent examples over the past few days being: [1] and [2]. Then again this article created by Gob Lofa in 2013 was full of bare URL citations that he had added for a good year until he eventually filled them in [3], however in most instances elsewhere he has not. Like after all this time on Wikipedia I can only call it pure laziness not to provide some form of proper formatting for webpage citations, however minor the formatting is, especially considering they are able to do very good book citations (for example [4]). That article also contains a pretty good example of ownership of an article by the amount of reverts (on two users) Gob Lofa did over a category removal in the space of a week or so ([5], [6], [7], and [8]). User:Snappy even raised the issue of ownership of that article.

There are other issues that Gob Lofa also needs to address, however maybe this two week block will encourage them to start tackling their issues even if one or two at a time. Mabuska ^(talk) 20:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Mabuska makes the point that you, Gob Lofa, do not bother to do citation formatting, which by now you certainly would be able to do if you chose to: exactly the same applies to the issue of disambiguation links. Probably well over 90% of bot-posted disambiguation link notifications go to new editors who simply don't know any better, with the other few going to experienced editors who do know better, but occasionally make a slip. There is really no reason for an experienced editor such as you to keep getting dozens of them, except that you just don't bother to do things which you know full well how to do if you choose. The example which Mabuska refers to, namely formatting of citations, does actually take quite a bit more time and trouble than just posting bare URLs, but, as I have pointed out above, the extra effort involved in checking links to see that they don't point to disambiguation pages is really trivial. I am not sure whether Mabuska is right to describe it as "pure laziness", but it is really difficult to think of any other explanation. In any case, as I have tried to explain above, the block is not there because I want to stop you from editing, it is there in the hope that you will think a bit about the various concerns that various editors have expressed, and make a few changes in how you edit. Most of your editing is absolutely fine, as far as I can see, but a few changes would make it better still. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I made over 500 edits this month, creating thousands of links. I checked the vast majority of these thousands to ensure that they didn't lead to disambiguation pages and changed scores, perhaps in the hundreds, of them. A grand total of ten slipped through the cracks from those thousands. The sourced information I removed was totally irrelevant to the article concerned, which you would have seen had you taken the time. I would dearly love to see the evidence for this "ownership" of articles; the only article I regularly patrol without waiting for it to come up on my watchlist is Ulster Protestants, an article I created and which was the victim of sectarian redirecting by User:Snappy some months back, leading me to keep a more careful eye on it since. No-one has ever raised URL citations with me before, nor have I ever seen anyone complain about my or other editors' failure to fill these in. Ever. A cursory examination of articles both I and Mabuska edit will show who waits to talk things out and who rushes to make sure their version of the article stands. Once again Mabuska, I encourage you to look to the beam in your own eye first. Gob Lofa (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

It's your editing that is in question here and if you have a problem with mine then t0file a complaint. So reverting an article to its prior stable state when someone makes an edit that is contentious is trouble making or makes me a hypocrite? It's Wikipedia protocol. The onus then is then on the editor who made the contentious addition to take it to talk to get a consensus. It's the fundamental basics of WP:BRD. I have told you quite a few times to go to talk and even in two articles recently to open an RfC for more input. Also Snappy's reverts were not sectarian driven, the category you wanted to enforce was highly dubious. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:05, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

I regard redirecting a page about Ulster Protestants to Unionism in Ireland as nakedly sectarian; pushing a hardline Catholic Irish nationalist POV is not acceptable, no more than its converse would be. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Snappys redirecting of that article is not nakedly sectarian and it is quite extreme to construe it as such. If anything Snappy simply stereotyped. Mabuska ^(talk) 12:04, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

You need to stop enabling Snappy - in the long run, it's not in his best interests. If you're right, why didn't he redirect Irish Catholic to Irish nationalism? Gob Lofa (talk) 12:20, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Unblock

Gob Lofa, I have reconsidered, and unblocked you. I don't have time now to explain why, but I'll try to remember to come back tomorrow and tell you. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:06, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, talk to you then. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:53, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

• I read your comments above, thought about what you said, and had another look at your recent editing history. The conclusion I came to was that, while there is room for improvement in your editing (I suppose there is for all of us) the problems are very small in proportion to the amount of editing you do, and that blocking was getting it out of proportion. The main thing, for me, was coming back to your talk page after a very long absence, and thinking " oh my god, Goba Lofa is still getting disambiguation link notifications, even after all that has happened in the past: will he/she never learn?" However, I now accept what you say about it: in proportion to the amount of editing you do, it is a small detail, and not enough to justify a block. I also think there is some element of truth in at least some of the criticisms of your editing raised by other editors, but there is more than just an element of truth in the idea that much of your editing is in a controversial area of a kind that is likely to attract criticism from one side, the other side, or both sides, no matter what you so, and allowing for that, the element of truth in the criticisms is not all that great. All things considered, I now think that blocking you was a mistake, and I hope you can forgive me for that mistake. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:13, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Gob Lofa (talk) 11:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Your insistence on bare URL citations is still a problem. Also add in continued convolution of sources. The source you supplied does not state hundreds of houses were looted but that a number of incidents of looting had occurred. Personally the block should of stood for the full two weeks seeing as you've learnt nothing. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I will admit that I have no problem with the majority of Gob Lofa's edits, even if I find some of them trivial and not needed, however there are a few issues that really need sorted to inspire greater good faith. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

That's a coincidence. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:33, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Why? Did you realise you have issues yourself or is it from other people telling you? Mabuska ^(talk) 16:29, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Comment: despite the even handedness of this template notification it is clear your motives are not innocent. Having been repeadedly warned on the talk page of the legitimate article - Talk:List of terrorist incidents in London - to desist from repeatedly taking unilateral action to change the title content and substituting categories you try to subvert Wikipedia principles by creating this duplicate article you attempt to satisfy yourself with creating a duplicate.Tmol42 (talk) 12:53, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I find your doublespeak horrifying. How many times did I attempt to engage in debate only to be met with diatribes that had only a nodding acquaintance with English? Gob Lofa (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

I reviewed the responses (and have put that article on watch). As far as I can see you were treated with considerable tolerance given that you were editing against consensus. That matches my experience of you on other articles. You escaped a ban recently but I suspect you won't for long if you carry on like this. Insisting you are right and refusing to provide examples or citations when requested is problematic to say the least. ----Snowded ^TALK 05:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Far from it; despite repeated attempts, using clear intelligible English, I was met with a stream of illogic that hurt my head. My experience of you on other articles is far from happy Snowded, so your characterisation of what I insist on doesn't surprise me. I insist on consistency, I've provided endless citations and I don't have a clue what you mean about refusing to provide "examples". Please be more careful with your English. Gob Lofa (talk) 08:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a way of dealing with editors who don't listen - just check out how many editors have told you that you are getting this wrong and how many agree with you. If you can't take that on board then its only a matter of time before the blocks start to hit. ----Snowded ^TALK 18:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

You address none of the points in my response and then tell me about editors who don't listen. Nice. Gob Lofa (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Susan McKay

I did peruse McKay's Northern Protestants An Unsettled People but while far less obnoxious and triumphalist than Tim Pat Coogan, her own biases were abundantly plain. Quis separabit? 01:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Biases? Gob Lofa (talk) 08:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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Consensus

In regards to Category:Provisional Irish Republican Army actions, where User:Tmol42 and then myself reverted you, there is no need for a talk page consensus for there to be an actual consensus if an entry in an article has stood uncontested for a long time. In this case the original that stood for 4 years was [9], the most recent before yours [10] over three months. Yours [11] not even a full two months and considering your bias which is evident here, time scale may mean nothing anyways. Whilst the second link there has a degree of legitimacy, I would say that the first one that lasted four years should have preference, but then all its links have been moved to the category in the second link anyways, and if it's good enough to cover UVF, RIRA, and UDA terrorist attack articles then by heck it's good enough to cover PIRA terrorist attack articles. Mabuska ^(talk) 16:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mabuska. I believe it's preferable to use neutral terms, especially over value-laden ones already discouraged by Wikipedia:Words to avoid. If you believe I have any biases, please tell me what they are. I don't notice you rushing to describe British government terrorism by that name; in fact you seem to have done the opposite recently at Bloody Sunday (1972). I have no problem describing the UVF, RIRA and UDA as violent non-state actors, which might have occurred to you sooner had you realised they are also violent and not acting on behalf of any state. Gob Lofa (talk) 12:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

July 2015 again

You've already been informed to stop adding in bare URL citations and yet you still do it regardless, for example here.

Your argumentative "I am always right" attitude is also getting you into conflict with more editors, for example here and above here.

And you are still getting disambiguation notices, and even though you did fix it not long after getting the notification, you still added in the ambiguity and left it anyways without checking if the wikilink needed disambiguated - the same old.

There was also no need for the this response you posted on that talk page. And whilst it is commended that you eventually accepted and assumed good faith on the revert I made, to which I then restored as I realised I made a mistake, all done before you even left that message, it is a personal attack that was not merited.

So despite escaping a 2-week ban because User:JamesBWatson felt he made a mistake in blocking you, you decide to continue on the exact same to prove that in reality that the only mistake he made was to not block you for longer and to ensure it lasted the whole term. Mabuska ^(talk) 17:15, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Since Mabuska has posted a link to me, I have been alerted to this message, and I may as well make a couple of comments.

1. There are advantages in giving more than just a bare URL in a reference, but it is not essential. The URL enables anyone who wishes to see the source to do so, which is the purpose of a reference. Putting in more detail can occasionally be helpful to a few readers, but it takes a significant bit more time and trouble, especially in the case of an editor who creates large numbers of references, and if an editor thinks that extra time and work is disproportionate to the benefit, then he or she is not required to do it. Anyone is, of course, free to ask an editor to use more than bare URLs, but nobody has the right to demand or insist that they do so. I know that what I wrote above about this expressed a different view, but since then I have thought about it more deeply, and I think what I wrote above was not helpful.
2. In connection with the incident referred to in the paragraph beginning "There was also no need for..", the wording used by Gob Lofa may not have been ideal, but to call it a "personal attack" seems a bit extreme. Gob Lofa made a mistake, and then accepted that he/she had done so. Mabuska acknowledges above that he/she made a mistake too. Is there any reason to treat one of those two editors, who both made a mistake and corrected it, as more blameworthy than the other? Gob Lofa's mistake was caused by taking Mabuska's edit at face value: at the time Gob Lofa made the relevant post, he/she had no way of knowing that Mabuska's edit was a mistake. That being so, there was some degree of justification for Gob Lofa's comment, even if, as I said above, the wording may not have been ideal.
3. Mabuska has a regular habit of writing to this page in an aggressive and unsympathetic way about, as far as I can see, pretty well anything that Gob Lofa does that Mabuska doesn't agree with. It might help to have a more collaborative spirit might help.
4. None of this means that I think nothing in Gob Lofa's editing might reasonably be criticised, but I do think that the way that Mabuska goes about making criticisms is very unhelpful. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Replace "aggressive" for "blunt" and I might agree with you on my writing style habit here (my user page makes my style of commenting clear). It is more than just me that disagrees with Gob Lofa, and I have a long history of being able to work with editors I disagree with unlike Gob Lofa. OR and synthesis, source convolution, POV-pushing, attributing sources to statements that they do not back up, edit-warring, ownership of articles, disregard of cautions and notifications does not create an atmosphere for good faith and a collaborative spirit, especially when it comes to the sensitive area that is Troubles related articles. Compared to some of the criticism I have seen directed at other editors in the WikiProject without a single eyebrow being raised, my attitude to Gob Lofa is quite tame. I only tagged your name in my comment above since you have prior experience with Gob Lofa. All that did was call your judgment and integrity as an administrator into question.

If Gob Lofa started editing responsibly and without the convolution and POV contained in some of their edits, then maybe, just maybe, good faith can be restored and we can all go about our merry ways. It is up to them. I highly doubt anything will change. (notices yet another dablink notification below) Mabuska ^(talk) 14:04, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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July 2015 again (again)

OK I have had to revert several edits from you to articles related to Northern Ireland. I don't know if you are aware of the Arbcom ruling on editing in this area but I strongly recommend that you read them via the link. If you carry on like this then a case can easily made to have you topic banned. Please respect the need for a neutral point of view based on balancing what the sources say. ----Snowded ^TALK 06:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

OK Snowded. You had to revert my edit on Economy of Northern Ireland, linking bolded text, using a pipe instead of a straight link, using the present tense to describe the past, and removing a description of a conflict for the uninitiated. My first question is, why do you believe I might be topic-banned for my edit? My second, what are you playing at with an edit like that? Gob Lofa (talk) 06:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Don't be disingenuous ----Snowded ^TALK 06:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Take your time. Gob Lofa (talk) 07:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

None needed. I've reverted all instances of the POV category you created and nominated it for deletion. The only reason to spend any more time is if you persist in this behaviour at which point it is either ANI or Arbcom enforcement given that you are editing on Troubles issues. ----Snowded ^TALK 07:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Why do you link bolded text? Why do you describe violent non-state actor, a neutral term, as point of view, and by implication contend that terrorist, a very loaded term, is somehow neutral? Orwell much? Gob Lofa (talk) 07:47, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

We work from references and I am afraid they use terrorist. As Wikipedia editors we do not decide what is or not neutral we go with a balance of what the reliable sources say. Its a basic lesson you need to learn. I gave you the references to policy and I suggest you read them. You are not an inexperienced editor so you have little or no excuse for not being aware of policy. ----Snowded ^TALK 07:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

You've answered none of my questions. When we work with references that use value-laden labels, we're required to use in-text attribution. How do you do this with a category or article title? I agree that lessons need to be learned. Gob Lofa (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Read the policy links, the answers are all there, If you disagree with my interpretation raise it on the talk page of the article or at ANI. ----Snowded ^TALK 09:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I have read them. What parts are you under the impression that I don't agree with? Can you explain your strange edit and edit summary at Economy of Northern Ireland? Gob Lofa (talk) 09:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I can't tell whether you are being sarcastic or just plain ignorant of how Wikipedia polciies and guideline work, but reverting an editor and asking them to take it to talk only has credence and standing when its not your edit that is was originally reverted and being contested. I think Snowded's call elsewhere for a possible topic-ban for you is a good idea. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:48, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Then you haven't understood them at which point the 'strange edit summary' will have to be enacted ... I've wasted enough time on dealing with your obduracy here so I reserve the right not to reply again. If you disagree with me then there are plenty of channels to engage other editors. You do a lot of good detailed work on wikipedia. Don't ruin that by taking a partisan approach on NI issues. It's not often that Mabuska and I agree so we are united on this you should pay attention. ----Snowded ^TALK 10:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Mabuska, you're re-inserting contentious value-laden terms that I've replaced with neutral ones; which of us is being bold? Snowded, you've still to answer any of my questions. Reserving a right not to reply is not going to change much if all your replies consist of you continuing an internal conversation. I find that obdurate. Your characterisation of my position on Ulster issues is insulting and, par for the course, short on details, but hardly surprising. Gob Lofa (talk) 14:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Only contentious to you. As already described to you before, an edit that have been in an article uncontested for a good deal of time have a form of undeclared consensus as no-one reverted or challenged it. Your edit is the bold one and it was contested within a short space of time compared to the wording you were trying to change. Seeing as your edit is contested you must discuss it regardless of whether you think your right in your viewpoint. If your case has merit and others agree or a compromise is found, then the edit can go ahead in full or part. Do you really know so little of Wikipedia policies after all these years?

Snowded's characterisation is pretty accurate and several other editors would quickly agree. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:32, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

You've outdone yourself, Mabuska. The term 'terrorism' is contentious to me alone? There's no excuse for POV, no matter its longevity. I have no problem discussing my edit, despite your implication. Given your interpretation of policy, you're one to talk, bucko. Gob Lofa (talk) 00:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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Notification of Troubles restrictions and 1RR

You were close to breaking this fundamental protocol at Birmingham pub bombings. Consider this a formal caution and notification of the Troubles restrictions, which no doubt you know of by now. Mabuska ^(talk) 19:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Formal, old pal? When were you promoted? Gob Lofa (talk) 19:23, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

You removed terrorism and also used a misleading edit summary. Please self-revert on that issue as you are breaking the ArbCom ruling, Mabuska is being generous there ----Snowded ^TALK 19:48, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcometo join the discussion about the use of that term at the relevant talk page, Snowded. Coming from a master of the cryptic edit summary, I find your accusation particularly disingenuous; I spelt out in detail in my edit summary what I was doing. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

You use edit summaries that indicate you are making minor changes, but then change terrorism to violence which you know is controversial. That is not acceptable behaviour on wikipedia ----Snowded ^TALK 20:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

I specified in the edit summary that I was invoking Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. By replacing value-laden terms with less contentious ones, it's not I who's courting controversy, but rather those who insist upon them. Which isn't acceptable behaviour. Gob Lofa (talk) 20:35, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

OK so you admit you made a controversial change but disguised the fact with a misleading edit summary on articles subject to ArbCom restrictions. I suggest you stop doing that as my patience for one is wearing very thin and the next instance would be enough to take the matter to Arbcom for enforcement ----Snowded ^TALK 06:48, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

No I didn't, and no I didn't. However, you've done both recently, so do what you feel. Gob Lofa (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Your call, you've had fair warning ----Snowded ^TALK 10:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Who says you need to be "promoted" to issue a formal caution? It is standard procedure so that an editor is aware of certain things so that if they continue and they end up reported, they can't plead ignorance. Mabuska ^(talk) 16:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Bad faith

It is quite bad faith to regularly revert someone when your not even reverting an edit, instead adding in new changes whether it be a new reference or phrase of wording. I kindly request you to stop. Mabuska ^(talk) 15:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

August 2015

You just broke the 1RR policy on Troubles articles after having been formally warned. Please self revert at Ulster Defence Association or you will be reported. You are clearly aware that it applies----Snowded ^TALK 21:03, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't believe that's true. You might have a word with Snappy about 1RR, though; he's being a bit truculent about it. Gob Lofa (talk) 21:46, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Clearly true and showing no respect of WP:BRD. I gave you the benefit of the doubt on that one given that you mixed it up with other edits the first time round. Its your call. I don't have time or decent internet access from tomorrow until the weekend but I will put in a formal report then if you haven't self reverted. Don't assume that someone else won't pending my having time ----Snowded ^TALK 22:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Gob Lofa's edits are about 2 days about so no 1RR breach. They always wait long enough to avoid breaching 1RR. However Gob Lofa is once again using the deceptive edit summary of "See talk" when there is nothing at the talk page to back their stance (again), and quite likely intent on slow edit-warring just like at Billy Fox (politician), because you now only Gob Lofa is right on this site. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:02, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Per policy waiting two days does not avoid a breach of 1RR. In fact such gaming can result in an extended ban. its pretty clear but giving him/her a last chance ----Snowded ^TALK 22:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

'See talk' refers to my query to Snowded on the talk page about his unusual edit, which I couldn't make sense of. When he hadn't responded after two days, I believed he was too embarrassed to, so I reverted. I'm still waiting for him to explain that edit. He might also explain the double standard between his attitude to my non-existent breach of restrictions on Troubles-related edits to Snappy's actual breach, which he seems blissfully relaxed about. Is Snappy on a last chance and you're not even going to warn him? Gob Lofa (talk) 22:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are that confident then self revert and make the case on the talk page of the article. ----Snowded ^TALK 22:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Gob Lofa don't talk bullshit. That is a lame excuse for pushing your edit into an article just because there is no immediate response to your query. People do have real-life's that means they can't sit all day like some editors and fart about on Wikipedia and respond at your beck and call. Regardless of that it still doesn't give you a right to push a contested edit back into an article. Mabuska ^(talk) 23:07, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia (check to confirm | fix with Dab solver)

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