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*'''Comment''' The blurb is unclear and may not adhere to NPOV. From the blurb it is unclear if A) the protests are against the prime minister, B) the protests are for the prime minister, or c) the protests are not even related to the prime minister. [[User:OtterAM|OtterAM]] ([[User talk:OtterAM|talk]]) 02:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The blurb is unclear and may not adhere to NPOV. From the blurb it is unclear if A) the protests are against the prime minister, B) the protests are for the prime minister, or c) the protests are not even related to the prime minister. [[User:OtterAM|OtterAM]] ([[User talk:OtterAM|talk]]) 02:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' The protests were previously in the news. The protests were against Sargsyan becoming Prime Minister, and they escalated when the leader of the protests, Pashinyan, was detained. He was released, Sargsyan stepped down, and Pashinyan was elected Prime Minister. If possible, the blurb should be rephrased to include this context. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:BrendonTheWizard|<span style="color: white;">Brendon the Wizard</span>]]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">[[User talk:BrendonTheWizard#top|✉️]] [[Special:Contributions/BrendonTheWizard|✨]]</span> 15:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' The protests were previously in the news. The protests were against Sargsyan becoming Prime Minister, and they escalated when the leader of the protests, Pashinyan, was detained. He was released, Sargsyan stepped down, and Pashinyan was elected Prime Minister. If possible, the blurb should be rephrased to include this context. <span style="background-color:#de0080;font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:BrendonTheWizard|<span style="color: white;">Brendon the Wizard</span>]]</span> <span style="color:#0099ff">[[User talk:BrendonTheWizard#top|✉️]] [[Special:Contributions/BrendonTheWizard|✨]]</span> 15:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' While not head of government, the circumstances surrounding this election are make it significant enough to post. I don't see a problem with the blurb as written. The protests occurred for a number of reasons, while would be difficult to capture in one sentence. Users can click on the protest article to clear up any confusion. [[User:Mamyles|Mamyles]] ([[User talk:Mamyles|talk]]) 17:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)


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May 11

Armed conflicts and attacks
  • 2018 Gaza border protests
    • The Israel Defense Forces again open fire with tear gas and live ammunition on Palestinian protesters, following 6 weeks of protests. One person is killed and 146 others wounded, with some protesters throwing stones and burning tyres. (The Independent)
    • Three Israelis are arrested after filming themselves attempting to fly a kite carrying an incendiary device into the Gaza Strip, in reference to the same tactic used by protestors in Gaza. The kite crashes on Israeli territory where it starts a small fire. (Haaretz)
    • Egypt announces that the Rafah Crossing into Gaza will be opened for four days starting next Saturday. Egypt usually opens the border for humanitarian reasons every two or three months for two or three days at a time. (Wafa.ps)

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May 10

Armed conflicts and attacks

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RD: Scott Hutchison

Article: Scott Hutchison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish singer, article seems OK, will need some updates, which I've started on. A very, very sad day. Black Kite (talk) 12:50, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Graham Lovett

Article: Graham Lovett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English soccer player, article seems in order. LukeSurl t c 11:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ken Hodgkisson

Article: Ken Hodgkisson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer. Short article seems in order. LukeSurl t c 11:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Goodall (botanist)

Article: David Goodall (botanist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scientist Sherenk1 (talk) 12:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support While I agree with Masem's point below, we post a lot of VERY sparse RDs and I want to treat all noms equally. Anyone worthy of an article could probably have 5,000 words written by someone interested enough. I think we're good enough here. ghost 11:56, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Assuming the 3 tags above are cleared up, I feel the lack of discussion about how relevant/important his studies were to the botany field to be of concern. I would expect, at minimum , a paragraph to describe his basic work and how it was built on or what legacy it had, for RD posting. --Masem (t) 14:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks ready to post. Mamyles (talk) 14:50, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Israel strike in Syria

Article: May 2018 Israel–Syria clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel says it has struck almost all of Iran's military infrastructure in Syria, in response to an Iranian rocket attack on the occupied Golan Heights. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Still stub, hopefully will be expanded. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support This now seems to meet ITN quality guidelines. In my opinion this type of incident, while not unprecedented, is significant and worthy of a blurb. Mamyles (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

May 9

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

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Hepatitis B virus

Articles: Hepatitis B virus (talk · history · tag) and Hepatitis B (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The oldest evidence of hepatitis B virus is found in Bronze Age human remains, readjusting the previous estimates by several thousands years. (Post)
News source(s): Nature, Washington Post
Credits:

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: According to study this is the oldest viral genome ever recovered from vertebrates which also disproves the belief that "hepatitis B originated in the New World and spread to Europe about 500 years ago". Brandmeistertalk 08:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support – I am not certain of how significant this news is, so it may not fit the first purpose listed at WP:ITN. That being said, the article is of very decent quality, the news is interesting, and it showcases Wikipedia as a dynamic resource. The article's update isn't quite as significant as one may like to see it, however. It balances out that I support posting it, but only barely. I notice that the article on Hepatitis B is actually of higher quality and has received the exact same update. I am not sure how to handle that. ~Mable (chat) 09:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kenya Dam Break

Articles: Patel Dam failure (talk · history · tag) and Kenya (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Patel Dam fails in Kenya, killing at least 47 people, and leaving at least 2000 homeless. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, ABC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major disaster in Kenya. Death count still rising. There was no article, so I created one (my first original article, actually). Still a very scant stub and needs work to be ready for main page. I'm hoping to get some time later today to update it, but throwing it here as well in hope of getting some help. Lots of news coverage. Kenmelken (talk) 15:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment it's in the news, but some history is needed. Height, type, date constructed, etc. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Information that's proving really difficult to find. I hate googling current events.... --LaserLegs (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well you can filter search to stories prior to the date, but then why would this dam be worthy of note prior to the incident? I've found reference to a "Itare Dam" in Nakuru, but no Patel dam. Support per Masem. ghost 18:17, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just to add, key for this news item is that they learned the dam was privately built and own, and there are questions if they had proper rights and permissions. I'm not expection something akin to the Hoover Dam background here, just enough to know that there are newfound concerns about this private owner. --Masem (t) 18:32, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'm not talking about news stories for "notability", I mean someone built this thing, there has to be a document somewhere stating it's an earthen dam built in 1972 and stood 170 feet high or something. Looking at the pictures, this thing was a concrete monster and wasn't trivial. When we post air disasters, we include the type of aircraft, and usually when it first flew. We can do the same here. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • The picture of the large concrete monster dam that was attached with many of the articles was a stock photo of a dam, not the dam in question. I haven't actually seen a picture of the real dam in any of the sources I've checked. So far, lots of pics of the devastation, but not the dam. Right now the coverage is shifting to say that it may have been built WITHOUT documentation as it was entirely private construction and may not have had the right permits or followed safety standards. Per this source the owner was "secretive", so there may not actually be any recorded information on the dam. Kenmelken (talk) 19:59, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I was looking at the BG of this dam before, and what is in the article is pretty much all I've been able to find. Given that while its short, it covers the history, the event, and aftermath as we know now, I think this is fine for posting, given the geographic area. --Masem (t) 17:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks fine and the event merits posting due to substantial and uncommon lost of life. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - very good work on the article by Kenmelken, it contains everything that it should, and the story is heavily in the news. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 01:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:42, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysian election

Articles: Malaysian general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag) and Mahathir Mohamad (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Malaysian general election, opposition coalition Pakatan Harapan wins a majority of the parliament with Barisan Nasional becoming a minority for the first time. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Malaysian general election, opposition coalition Pakatan Harapan wins a majority of the parliament with Barisan Nasional becoming a minority for the first time, resulting in Mahathir Mohamad becoming prime minister.
News source(s): BBC, Washington Post, SCMP Alt: The Guardian
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Barisan Nasional has held a majority in the Malaysian parliament for 61 years i.e. since Malaysian independence. This will be the first time that Malaysia is led by something other than them. Also ITN/R so there's that. Optionally, wait a bit until the new PM is declared. Juxlos (talk) 20:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well for one thing there is a paragraph accusing 7 people of vote buying, cited to a single source (bersih.org) which itself doesn't cite any sources for it's claims. As a primary source, it's too scant on details to be taken seriously. "Afif Bahardin of PKR: For using Penang State Government programs to give handouts, such as hampers, to voters in Seberang Jaya." <-- That's from the bersih.org source in their "Hall of shame of election sources". Basically a giant BLP vio here. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:13, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Release of American prisoners in North Korea

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: List of foreign nationals detained in North Korea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: North Korea has freed three US citizens from prison, according to a tweet from US President Donald Trump. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Positive news. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I think the ship has sailed at this point, but we really ought to make the North Korea diplomatic saga an ongoing event. The isolated events on their own really are not suitable for ITN, but the negotiation process as a whole is.--WaltCip (talk) 13:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And I would HARDLY' consider a Trump tweet to be a reliable source.--WaltCip (talk) 13:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Walmart acquisition of Flipkart

Articles: Walmart (talk · history · tag) and Flipkart (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Walmart will pay about $16bn to take control of Flipkart, India's biggest online retailer, in a deal that puts it head to head with Amazon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Walmart announces the acquisition of Flipkart for about $16 billion.
Alternative blurb II: Walmart announces its intention to acquire Flipkart for about $16 billion.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Acquisition of India's biggest online retailer. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I note that the Walmart article has nothing save for an infobox mention of this; also the "Supercneters" section has a few weak points of sourcing. --Masem (t) 14:20, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) LDS Church/Boy Scouts of America

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Chartered organizations of the Boy Scouts of America (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced that it will end its sponsoring of Scout units on December 31, 2019. The Church is the oldest and largest sponsor of Scouting, beginning in 1913, and 37% of Scouting units and 18% of Scouts pertain to the Church (Post)
News source(s): A Joint Statement from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Boy Scouts of America [3] WaPost Faux News Huffpo Fortune WaPo USA Today
Credits:
Nominator's comments: How big of news this is depends on how influential you perceive the two institutions to be, and I acknowledge some personal bias in this matter Ryan Reeder (talk) 13:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose no article, local politics. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please offer any news sources that indicate this is in the news. I will say this is a domestic story between two private entities, and long expected since the scouts started accepting gays and girls. There is no article either. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I put in a news source for this, and reading it, it's a mutually agreed separation, and mostly related to values related to LBGT. I don't see anything that suggest this has a major impact on the Scouts (they weren't being financially supported by the Mormons), and for the Mormons, they simply are ending their church's participating but do not restrict their youth to still be a part of the Scouts. Not significant news. --Masem (t) 14:03, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The radical changes being introduced into the organization might be good DYK material. But this is not of sufficient importance for ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:13, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it's in the news, but there is no update to consider. There is a whole "Please do not" above regarding "oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one."--LaserLegs (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

May 8

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Business and economy

Disasters and accidents
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International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Anne V. Coates

Article: Anne V. Coates (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Oscar-winning film editor.ghost 18:11, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged those; thanks. ghost 23:45, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Big Bully Busick

Article: Big Bully Busick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wrestler. Appears fully referenced. LukeSurl t c 16:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) RD: George Deukmejian

Article: George Deukmejian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A number of statements need to be sourced, but beyond that, nominating in good faith. --PootisHeavy (talk) 00:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Sorry I missed that one. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Not suggesting anything besides good faith here; it's unreasonable for the admin to check every source anyway. There just happened to be problems with the first source I checked (and then the second, third, fourth...) Vanamonde (talk) 09:46, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Another reference where we're using Deukmejian's campaign manager as a source to present things about his campaign in Wikipedia's voice...Deukmejian is a well-known politician, I'm sure we can find better. Vanamonde (talk) 09:46, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment With more obits coming out I am able to find sources that closely corresponds with the content of the article. If there’s more issues provide the ref number so I could find stronger sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:51, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @TDKR Chicago 101: Well, if a source doesn't support certain content it shouldn't be posted there in the first place, should it? I've removed some sources already, so you just need to replace those (you've done some of that already, so thanks); I've flagged another on the talk page, and will try to check some more later. Vanamonde (talk) 12:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @TDKR Chicago 101: Okay, look. This is a decent article about a seemingly decent person, and I'd like to post it. But I looked through it again, and naturally first tried to check the citations added to address my tags from yesterday. What do I find? The source added here doesn't seem to support the cited content. The source added here, likewise. The Rojas source added here is a deadlink. The NYT source, added I-can't-find-when, doesn't support the statement about "sole Republican statewide officeholder." I am not willing to post this. And if we've posted stuff with similar issues before, well, that's a failing then, not an excuse now. Vanamonde (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, what the crap is going on. The more I attempt to fix references the more references I find that don't support the info in that sentence. I was attempting a quick fix to get it back on RD, but this is going to take time... Killiondude (talk) 06:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • TDKR, you say it's all been fixed up. I looked through a combined diff of your changes. The first ref I spot check is this; not the best source, maybe, but it supports the content. Then, I check this NYT story, added to support "Deukmejian won the election by about 100,000 votes, about 1.2 percent of the 7.5 million votes cast." Nowhere in the source can I find that. And guess what? That completely unsurprising, because this is a 1986 source, discussing the 1986 election. And at this point I've had enough of this article, but you can be sure that it isn't going to be posted without thorough vetting. I've removed the "attention needed" tag, because it's the article that needs attention, not this nomination. So much for ITN's supposedly superior quality control. Vanamonde (talk) 05:32, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Armenia PM

Article: Nikol Pashinyan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following weeks of protests, Nikol Pashinyan is elected prime minister of Armenia. (Post)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Not ITNR but seems like a culmination fo protests. That round to soros. Lihaas (talk) 19:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reply The protests were previously in the news. The protests were against Sargsyan becoming Prime Minister, and they escalated when the leader of the protests, Pashinyan, was detained. He was released, Sargsyan stepped down, and Pashinyan was elected Prime Minister. If possible, the blurb should be rephrased to include this context. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ 15:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While not head of government, the circumstances surrounding this election are make it significant enough to post. I don't see a problem with the blurb as written. The protests occurred for a number of reasons, while would be difficult to capture in one sentence. Users can click on the protest article to clear up any confusion. Mamyles (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

USA/JCPOA

Article: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States of America withdraws from the JCPOA (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ United States withdraws from the Iran deal
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Just announced, bu t this will be all over the news shortly. I imagine For Min's all over are writing PR statements already. Welcome to World War III Lihaas (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Approve - but I'd recommend linking to the United States withdraw from Iran Deal Wikipedia article instead. FlowerRoad (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That article does not need to exist. Not yet anyways.Lihaas (talk) 18:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's no different from United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. In international relations and long-term, it's certainly more notable. Businesses and other governments are still fighting climate change, this gutted the Iran Deal. FlowerRoad (talk) 19:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That article can really use copy editing. The reaction section is, uh, something else. Juxlos (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose solely on the orange NPOV tag near the bottom of the article. That has to go before this could be posted. Otherwise this looks like a solid and well sourced article. Get rid of the tag and I will happily support. On a side note I concur that we should use plain language for the link vice the acronym. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the tag from the section "Continued Criticism", because the last discussion on that part was in 2016, and, as far as I can tell, the article seems to have settled into a consensus version in that section. OtterAM (talk) 02:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Approve It's in the news, has been talked about for quite a while, one of President Trump's campaign focuses.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmradu (talkcontribs) 18:53, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The blurb is technically wrong. "Trump described the move as a “withdrawal,” which is technically incorrect because the agreement, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), is not a treaty. The US can only abide by or violate the terms of the Iran accord." [5].--Mhhossein talk 18:54, 8 May 2018 (UTC)*[reply]
  • Support someone forked the article into something smaller and more suitable. altblurb proposed --LaserLegs (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original blurb but strongly oppose the first altblurb and new article as a standalone. It's basically being used as a coatrack to attack Trump, even though Trump was the one squarely behind finding a way for the US to exit this. --Masem (t) 19:09, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What a strange world we live in that factual statements about trump, including fact checking his objective lies, are considered "attacks". Very strange indeed. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:38, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree totally.Lihaas (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, hold off for a little bit. There's a merger proposal to address the content fork. DARTHBOTTO talkcont 19:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest we ignore the minor content fork, and link to the main article: JCPOA. OtterAM (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: This is big news in almost all the world press, and Wikipedia has a well developed article about it. I support option 2 because the acronym "JCPOA" is a little obscure. This is the right time to post this item because it has become finalized. OtterAM (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - monumental news, well worth posting. However, only the main target article is fit for posting at present, and the content forks should be avoided in my view. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose stub. Take away the inevitable "reactions" section and you have basically one or two useful sentences. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What? Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is a stub?Lihaas (talk) 20:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, United States withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is. Move on. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. It's not like this is about some fat pool player's nipples, Lihaas. Use your head. We have standards to maintain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.0.95 (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative Blurb 2: United States withdraws from the Iran deal.
This version has the advantage that there is no linking to a stub and no acronyms are used. OtterAM (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ... in principle, but strongly suggest title of target article be changed. To say that Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action is "a little obscure" is today's ultra-understatement. It makes no sense whatever to the general reader, who's been hearing about the "Iran nuclear deal" for three years, and who's never heard of the "JCPOA." Pure bureaucratic obfuscation.
As to the article itself, it must include reactions, among them the joint pledge of Germany, France and the UK to stay in the agreement. Sca (talk) 20:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest we just ignore the two stubs, and not let the existence of those two stubs sabotage the inclusion of this article in "In the News". The main Wikipedia article is long and complicated, but it's also probably the clearest explanation of the JCPOA avaliable online. I think it would be an embarrassment if Wikipedia doesn't mention this event, when its dominating headlines across the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OtterAM (talkcontribs) 23:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Präsident Donald Trump (Bild) hat angekündigt, dass sich die USA aus dem Atomabkommen mit dem Iran zurückziehen werden.Sca (talk) 13:01, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Important development which can have far reaching consequences. I think it would be better to put the withdrawal article on the frontpage than the JCPOA article, since it covers the news better. Dragnadh (talk) 13:41, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Maurane

Article: Maurane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Belgian singer. Lots of referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

United Arab Emirates takeover of Socotra

Article: United Arab Emirates takeover of Socotra (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ UAE forces occupy the Yemeni island of Socotra (Post)
Alternative blurb: An invasion by United Arab Emirates forces takes over the Yemeni island of Socotra.
News source(s): WaPost Jerusalem Post
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 Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support seems pretty obvious, this kind of territorial change (if confirmed) does not happen often. Banedon (talk) 05:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - International implications on this unauthorized seizure of sovereign territory. I have created an altblurb with proper links. Jusdafax (talk) 06:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Takeover of a territory is a very big deal that merits inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Once again, for a venue to show off our best work, this is barely enough text to qualify for "good enough". Since this is such a newsworthy event, one would presume that there was more information than this about it somewhere. If so, I am at a loss at why someone would want to avoid putting it in the article. --Jayron32 12:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because there isn't, and in our frantic effort to post "important" stories to the MP of Wikipedia the community is tolerating a very low bar for quality, basically rehashing the one or two wire stories about the subject dooming the article to forever-stub status when actual news media moves on. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably there are stories in the UAE press or Socotra press? Why would you adamently refuse to use those? --Jayron32 16:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: if this was really a military invasion / annexation surely there would be more widespread news coverage? Other than the Washington Post article linked above (which is actually a republished AP wire story), I'm not seeing any coverage in outlets beyond the region. If only local press are picking this up, is it really as big as the headline sounds? I don't know the answer but it seems suspicious. Modest Genius talk 16:17, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    All press is local, and saying "this is only covered by local press" just means "it isn't covered by my local press". Local press is not unreliable by default, and I see no reason to refuse to use a source simply because it isn't based in the U.S. or Britain. --Jayron32 16:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes and no. As noted by others below, many of those local/regional sources have close links to governments which are involved in the Yemeni civil war, or support opposing sides in Syria, or have long-standing hostilities with one side or another (e.g. the Qatar blockade). Bias is a potential issue, so I would prefer some outside media analysis. There's no reason why that has to be from the US or UK (I never mentioned them), but the current sourcing does worry me. Modest Genius talk 10:32, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not an expert on this at all, but I'm still a little unclear about the significance of this event. Firstly, there are an awful lot of foreign troops in Yemen anyway. The Saudi led intervention hasn't been declared as an 'annexation'. So how precisely is this different? Also, many of the sources in the article are from Al Jazeera, which is run by the Qatari government, which obviously doesn't have great relations with the UAE now, so this might not be an entirely reliable source. BubbleEngineer (talk) 16:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Just seems to be a minor incident in a protracted civil war, like Somalia and Syria. We'd need better independent sourcing. Andrew D. (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems a factoid rather than a properly considered event within a clear wider context. The content doesn't feel very neutral either and a wider selection of sourcing from a variety of different outlets would be necessary to support this tone as NPOV. Spartaz Humbug! 17:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless the UAE states they are formally annexing the territory. 331dot (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until there is an official UAE statement on this. If it's "we are occupying Yemen's territory to xxx" then oppose, but if they invoke the "99-year lease" thing or the like then support. Juxlos (talk) 20:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you would have waited for an official announcement from the Soviets when they invaded Hungary in 1956, huh? Abductive (reasoning) 20:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yeah. If we label it in 1956 as "The Soviet Union invaded and took over Hungary" instead of "The Soviet Union invades Hungary in response to a revolution" that would be inaccurate. Juxlos (talk) 20:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, major development, one for the history books. Abductive (reasoning) 20:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Socotra is one of the few territories that has not switched hands during the war...until now. 172.98.154.119 (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There is insufficient evidence to support the claim that this is a "takeover". The main source, Al Jazeera, is decidedly pro-Qatari and anti-Emirati, so it can't be trusted for neutrality. All other sources indicate an "increased presence" of UAE forces on the island, and "protests" against the presence. I concur with Juxlos, we should wait for an official UAE statement (or even one from Yemen). 184.151.37.158 (talk) 00:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose I think we do have an official UAE statement:[7] This is an active war zone with proxy considerations, and we should hardly expect the UAE to following Yemen's (literal) marching orders. If this is an annexation, it's ITN-worthy. But I'd put that at 70-30 right now, and we don't do retractions here; we wait for facts. ghost 11:39, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Major regional development and one for the history books for sure. There is no doubt this is a military occupation giving the Yemeni reaction. GWA88 (talk) 05:59, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The UAE already had a military presence on the island. So, unless they annex it this time, it's pretty much an insignificant story being overstated by pro-Qatar media. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 08:23, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Attention needed) RD: Miki Muster

Article: Miki Muster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: A pioneer in the field of animation and comics in Slovenia. The article was rather short but I believe I have sufficiently expanded it now. Language could probably need some polishing. One of the sources is in English as well. Tone 22:23, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Snooker world championship

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Article: 2018 World Snooker Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mark Williams defeats John Higgins to win the World Snooker Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Plenty of images of the magnificent Williams available too. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos to Thomas Kirk Larsen and Lee Vilenski who seem to have contributed the majority of the prose. Modest Genius talk 12:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Thomas has been pretty awesome, and copyedited a lot of my entries, but it's the sourcing that is important. The competition was really a great watch. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Longest ever gap between successive championships, I think. "The Welsh Potty machine" or whatever it is might still have currency, but "Sprog" was at least 20 years ago? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as tags seem to have been fixed.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is what an article about a sporting event should look like, with sufficient prose, well referenced, etc. A few tables are nice, but where an article is nothing but tables, that's a problem. Someone obviously thought this was important enough to write about, and did. It should be held up as a model for how to properly write a sports article. --Jayron32 12:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict)Comment Due to having a lot of edits on the article in question, I won't vote, but it should be noted, that not only did Williams not qualify last season, he'd won 3 ranking tournaments this season, and hadn't won a single one since 2011 before that, and had considered retiring before the start of this season. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) No secret chambers in King Tuts tomb

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Article: KV62 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Sonar tests disprove the theory that hidden chambers may have been present in Tutankhamun's tomb. (Post)
News source(s): BBC AP (via NBC)
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is clearly unusual as an ITN, as proof of something that doesn't exist thus keeps the "status quo". However, since this theory popped up in 2015, there's been rather interest in the possibility of these chambers (which some suggested may even had been Nefertiti). This result (which Egypt's ministry has accepted as definitive) ends that theory. The article has one secton related to thefts that is unsourced, unfortunately. Masem (t) 04:02, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Would you count that as an Oppose? Python Dan (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Ahsan Iqbal

Article: Ahsan Iqbal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pakistan's Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal is shot and injured in an assassination attempt. (Post)
News source(s): BCC CNN NYT
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Auntie Agni (talk) 08:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Khaled Mohieddin

Article: Khaled Mohieddin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Arab News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:40, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[Ready] Lebanon election

Article: Lebanese general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After 9 years and postponement, Lebanon votes in a new parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hezbollah and its political allies gain in Lebanese new parliament elction held after 9 years.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A general election concludes in Lebanon, with Hezbollah and its allies gaining more seats than they already had.
News source(s): NYTimes, Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: While it is ITNR, this is further important due to the Syria situation. Article has a tag and result should be out in about 12 or so hours. –Lihaas (talk) 05:49, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man: The tag is already removed; What's your suggestion regarding the blurb? --Mhhossein talk 13:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't it be telling us who is in charge out there? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I proposed an alternative blurb. Did you mean such a thing? --Mhhossein talk 13:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 Kentucky Derby

Article: 2018 Kentucky Derby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Justify wins the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs, US, ridden by jockey Mike E. Smith. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R event and breaking 136-year record. Alternative blurb to reflect the record-breaking feat is welcome. –Ammarpad (talk) 02:54, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Quetta mine collapse

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Article: No article specified
Blurb: ​ Twin coal mine collapses near Quetta, Pakistan kill at least 23. (Post)
News source(s): BBC CNN
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Nominator's comments: I can't find any article. Auntie Agni (talk) 09:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Launch of InSight/MarCO

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Articles: InSight (talk · history · tag) and Mars Cube One (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The InSight spacecraft (pictured) and its companion MarCO cubesats are successfully launched towards the planet Mars. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The InSight spacecraft (pictured) is successfully launched towards Mars, alongside its companion MarCO cubesats.
News source(s): The New York Times, BBC News, The Guardian
Credits:

 – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 12:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Would it be better to add that the spacecraft were launched "by NASA"? I would love to see that addition because it would give NASA credit for paying for the launch. Brian Everlasting (talk) 01:38, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Brian Everlasting: NASA funded it, Lockheed Martin built it, the United Launch Alliance launched it, and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory runs and operates it. So, there is a lot of people you exclude when you solely credit it to just NASA. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 03:23, 6 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Succinct, neutral blurb is all that's needed. We are not advertising for them, why should we argue on who to credit?. –Ammarpad (talk)

Russian protests

Article: 2017–2018 Russian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 5 May started protests in Russian. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 UkrainianCossack (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) North Korean time zone change

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Article: Time in North Korea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After the inter-Korean summit, North Korea changes its time zone to match that of South Korea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After the inter-Korean summit, North Korea changes its time zone from UTC+08:30 to UTC+09:00, matching that of South Korea.
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: I think any permanent change (not DST of course) in time zone is a significant event. Perhaps we can update the previous blurb about the summit. EternalNomad (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Albert Pujols' 3000th career hit

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Articles: Albert Pujols (talk · history · tag) and 3000 hit club (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Albert Pujols becomes the 32nd Major League Baseball player to record 3,000 hits (Post)
News source(s): CBS NewsSI.com Yahoo! Sports
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Nominator's comments: Significant baseball accomplishment and Pujols is a GA. pbp 13:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Nigeria mosque bombing

Article: 2018 Mubi suicide bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Boko Haram bombing at a mosque kills 86 people in Nigeria. (Post)
News source(s): [9]
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Nominator's comments: The bombing happened a few days ago, massive fatalities even for a country like Nigeria. 108.214.192.62 (talk) 04:51, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Doina Cornea

Article: Doina Cornea (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kīlauea eruption

Article: Kīlauea (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The eruption of volcano Kīlauea in Hawaii forces the evacuation of thousands people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The eruption of volcano Kīlauea in Hawaii forces the evacuation of nearly two thousand people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The eruption of volcano Kīlauea, followed by an earthquake, in Hawaii forces the evacuation of nearly two thousand people.
News source(s): CNN, Guardian
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The article is GA. Update could be expanded further. Brandmeistertalk 10:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Literature 2018 postponed

Article: Nobel Prize in Literature (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following sexual assault allegations concerning the organisation, the Swedish Academy postpones the 2018 award of the Nobel Prize in Literature for a year. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2018 Nobel Prize in Literature is postponed until 2019
Alternative blurb II: ​ Following sexual assault allegations concerning the Swedish Academy, the 2018 Nobel Prize in Literature is postponed until 2019
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Swedish Academy postpones the 2018 Nobel Prize in Literature after several members of the Academy leaves in protest.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Following numerous resignations, the Swedish Academy postpones the 2018 Nobel Prize in Literature until 2019
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This seems an important events surrounding an item that would have been ITNR. Nobel_Prize_in_Literature#Controversies_about_Swedish_Academy_board_members has a decent write-up of these events. LukeSurl t c 09:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Ha, you beat me to this nom by a whisker. :) Significant enough and it is in the news now even if the prize wasn't due until November. Not sure if this should be posted now or then when people will be looking for it. Suggested more concise blurb, the first sounds too much like a juicy tabloid headline to me. cart-Talk 09:42, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per historic decision by a significant institution. I suggest using the org blurb.BabbaQ (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • BabbaQ, I was edit conflicted while I was trying to add that the original blurb is also sort of incorrect since it is the Nobel Comity that ultimately awards the prize, the Academy is just one part of that comity, and the comity has postponed the prize because of the trouble in the Academy. cart-Talk 09:50, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Complicated" is an understatement, the whole thing is called Paradise Hotel here in Sweden. A short neutral blurb is best since there are numerous things leading up to this postponing; we can't single out one of them. cart-Talk 11:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A problem with "resignations" in the blurb is "Technically, members are appointed for life to the Swedish Academy and cannot resign, although they can refuse to take part". -- KTC (talk) 12:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have those that "resigned" prior to the rules change resigned formally since the rules change, or are they still technically refuse to take part so the seat couldn't be filled? -- KTC (talk) 12:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is now tweaked for better reading, thanks for pointing it out. The new rule is only two days old and everything is still a mess. One member has formally handed in her resignation, the rest haven't got around to it yet, no seats are held with the intention of hindering new members. No seats have been re-filled. This current uncertainty and mess is why I think the blurb should be short and neutral as in the first altblurb. cart-Talk 12:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As W.carter - being in Sweden and able to read Swedish - almost certainly has a better understanding of this complex scenario than the rest of us, I think it is prudent to defer to them on which blurb(s) are adequate here. --LukeSurl t c 13:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Apparently the first time the prize has ever been withheld due to a scandal (the only previous occasions were due to war time or a lack of suitable candidates.) My preference would be altblurb 2.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a Swede I think blurb 3 or 4 is the most appropriate as the postponing has more reasons for happening than the sexual harassment scandal. BabbaQ (talk) 13:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You are right that the resignation and inactive members due to the crisis is the legal reason the Academy can't work at the moment. The sexual harassment scandal was one of the things that triggered the crisis, but so was the suspicion of financial crime now under investigation by the Swedish Economic Crime Authority as well as long-held bad blood between members, active and inactive. But of course it is the sex scandal that the media picks up on. cart-Talk 13:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurbs 3/4, but oppose on quality There are a few quality and BLP concerns of the update to this. Notably, per BBC that the accused member had denied the charges but this is not included. The update should focus less on what the accusations are, only that they were given and that board members wanted to leave in protest, something the King granted on May 2. Nothing about the accusations have been proven so we have to be very careful there. --Masem (t) 13:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it is the wrong blurb that has been posted. The issue is wider than that particular issue and blurb 3 and 4 would have been more appropriate. Anyway its good it got posted.BabbaQ (talk) 14:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If one of those blurbs were chosen, we must first figure out if we are talking about real resignations or simply leaving while still formally being members until their resignations have been handed in. How many chair are now leagally empty? Since not even the Academy is clear about this, how can we be. cart-Talk 14:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • For ITN's purpose, it doesn't matter how many chairs are empty or are pending, just that as a whole of the remaining voting members, they voted to postpone their selection until next year. --Masem (t) 14:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I saw the item on the main page just now. The blurb didn't explain matter well and so I clicked through. The article doesn't explain the matter well either – there's nothing at all in the lead about this. Reading other sites to understand what's happening, the issue is that the committee doesn't have a quorum because many members are boycotting it and some have been doing so since 1989! The organisation is clearly a shambles and, while there's talk of what they are going to do to sort it out, they haven't actually done it yet and so we shouldn't be predicting that it will all be done by 2019. Per WP:CRYSTAL, more work is needed to present this uncertainty more clearly. Andrew D. (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ex-VW CEO indicted

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Articles: Martin Winterkorn (talk · history · tag) and Volkswagen emissions scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ex-Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn is indicted on fraud and conspiracy charges in the USA over the Volkswagen emissions scandal (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former CEO Martin Winterkorn is indicted in the USA over the Volkswagen emissions scandal
News source(s): New York TimesReutersBBC
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Nominator's comments: This international scandal has been ongoing since 2015, but the criminal indictment of a major corporation CEO is highly unusual, newsworthy and notable. Jusdafax (talk) 01:21, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I maintain the Winterkorn indictment is of such an unusual nature per the references that it precludes your “consensus” which many here, including me, have never signed off on. Jusdafax (talk) 02:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think what you are saying is that you believe an IAR exception to our customary approach is justified. I will think about it. This is unusual in the extreme. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ad Orientem, that’s a more diplomatic statement which I endorse. I can’t recall a similar criminal charge being filed against a top-rank corporate CEO before. Another notability factor is the statement by the U.S. Attorney General which I have added to the target article. I am continuing to expand both articles. Jusdafax (talk) 03:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We don't usually post indictments outside of world leaders due to potential BLP issues, because we don't presume guilty before they are proved innocent. --Masem (t) 03:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t agree that this is a BLP issue. It’s sourced information and news around the world. Per Ad Orientem, this is not your usual criminal indictment. There are also major economic considerations for Volkswagen itself. Jusdafax (talk) 03:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I should clarify that in his article or in the Dieselgate article, this is not a BLP issue. But to put it in a high priority space like ITN, that's a bit different. Front page should be more careful as to these types of charges which have yet to result in convictions. Additionally, he's the ex-CEO, and thus has little effect on the company proper. --Masem (t) 04:11, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Volkswagen has already admitted guilt in the case, and Winterkorn has resigned over it. The referenced articles state that the indictment is likely to have financial and legal effects, and calls into question the corporate culture that led to the emissions cheating. The charges are filed at the highest legal system of the U.S. Government. It’s on front pages all over the world. We are re-reporting a high-profile, high-level, unique indictment that has among other things substantial financial considerations. Your concerns do you credit, but I strongly disagree with them. This is important, groundbreaking news. In my view it can’t be compared to, say, a murder case or pedestrian scandal. The ITN precedent is the 2015 FIFA corruption case which of is similar criminal magnitude in the sporting world. And yes, the FIFA indictments were ITN blurbs. Jusdafax (talk) 04:34, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose –Probably may support when he is actually convicted and more update on the conviction exist in the article. Mere indiction of former CEO doesn't rise to level of significance required at ITN. Comparing this with FIFA case does shows exactly why this shouldn't be on ITN too. FIFA is the world's preeminent body of the World most popular sports. You can't even compare notability of convoluted FIFA case with this scant news of retired business executive being indicted. –Ammarpad (talk) 07:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There’s a difference between retirement and being forced to leave due to exposure. Yeah, over ten million illegal vehicles and an 8 billion dollar settlement for starters as a result of this CEO’s actions, which he has taken responsibility for. But in your world, charges of breathtaking corporate corruption is “scant” news... depends on what you believe is important, eh? Jusdafax (talk) 08:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That’s the kind of snark that lost you your adminship. Jusdafax (talk) 19:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yawn, change the record. As a regular and one with considerable experience, you should know by now that we simply don't post "accusations". This is sadly a complete waste of time. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yawn yourself. Take your further quibbles to the Talk page. Jusdafax (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are no quibbles. You're the one that started badgering me and gravedancing. Check the mirror. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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