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(Closed) 44th G7 Summit
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The 44th G7 summit begins in La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, amid rising tensions with the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The 44th G7 summit begins in La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada
News source(s): http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44409775
Credits:
- Nominated by PineForst282929 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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- We should definitely get rid of
amid rising tensions with the United States
, that is unnecessary editorialising. --LukeSurl t c 13:05, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed, and even if it were allowable, it's too vague on top of that.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Alt added. --LukeSurl t c 13:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed, and even if it were allowable, it's too vague on top of that.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment G7 is WP:ITNR. TompaDompa (talk) 13:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Is it best to post that the summit has started, or do we want to post its conclusion? --LukeSurl t c 13:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- IMO .. conclusion. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose – Wait to see if they do anything besides palaver. Sca (talk) 14:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- What do you expect them to do? Ride logs down the St Lawrence? The item is ITN/R, if you've a problem with that, go ahead and nom it for removal. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I expect they'll go out for drinks & dinner. Sca (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, unlike the World's Fairs, it's not necessarily the opening that's ITRN. So no-one need nom it for removal yet, just wait to see if anything of any actual relevance happens. And see how the article evolves. Easy. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I was just checking this entry at ITNR and I didn't see a clause about "anything TRM deems relevant" -- could you point that bit out for me? Else the item is ITN/R. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I simply said the opening wasn't necessarily ITNR. You asked what we expected them to do. I said wait and see. Please re-read, or perhaps I can rephrase it for you if it's not clear. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I was just checking this entry at ITNR and I didn't see a clause about "anything TRM deems relevant" -- could you point that bit out for me? Else the item is ITN/R. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Actually, unlike the World's Fairs, it's not necessarily the opening that's ITRN. So no-one need nom it for removal yet, just wait to see if anything of any actual relevance happens. And see how the article evolves. Easy. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose nothing has happened. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Incorrect, the leaders of the G7 nations have met for their annual summit. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- And as you would say: YAWN. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Incorrect, the leaders of the G7 nations have met for their annual summit. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This is ITNR but the article quality is well below our standards. There are several empty sections and at least one section that is entirely unsourced. Beyond that the article is basically a skeleton with little meat. I suggest waiting until the summit concludes at which point we may be able to post it, assuming improved article quality, with a more interesting blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, but as ITNR should be posted if it is improved. Normally we post G7/G8 at the start of the summit but as there's calls to bring Russia back in or to kick the US out, this is a case where waiting for the summit to conclude makes sense, and, if any major event like those happen, include that in the blurb. --Masem (t) 15:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- When did we last post G7 summit please? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Technically, we shouldn't be asking that question as long as G7/G8 is on the ITNR list. We posted 2013, didn't post the cancellation of the 40th/2014 when they kicked Russia out, didn't post 2015 and best I can tell, wasn't nominated in either 2016 or 2017 (though they did happen of course). --Masem (t) 15:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Technically we can ask any question we like so I'm not sure what "technical" reason prevents me from asking such a question. You just made an assertion about us "normally posting G7/G8 at the start of the summit" and I wanted to see evidence for that. Thanks for your response. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- When we posted, we posted due to the start of the summit, normally. We just don't always post the summit, in some cases not nominated, in other cases, not gaining consensus to post for various reasons; but a check through the archives suggests that in nearly all cases, the nomination for ITNC was made based on the start of the summit. My point initially was that given the situation leading into and around this specific summit, waiting until it concludes to see what events develop may be better than posting its start --Masem (t) 16:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The 2013 posting you mean? I understand. I thought you said we "normally posted" it, asserting some kind of pedigree of posting the opening. That clearly isn't the case. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- When we posted, we posted due to the start of the summit, normally. We just don't always post the summit, in some cases not nominated, in other cases, not gaining consensus to post for various reasons; but a check through the archives suggests that in nearly all cases, the nomination for ITNC was made based on the start of the summit. My point initially was that given the situation leading into and around this specific summit, waiting until it concludes to see what events develop may be better than posting its start --Masem (t) 16:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Technically we can ask any question we like so I'm not sure what "technical" reason prevents me from asking such a question. You just made an assertion about us "normally posting G7/G8 at the start of the summit" and I wanted to see evidence for that. Thanks for your response. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Technically, we shouldn't be asking that question as long as G7/G8 is on the ITNR list. We posted 2013, didn't post the cancellation of the 40th/2014 when they kicked Russia out, didn't post 2015 and best I can tell, wasn't nominated in either 2016 or 2017 (though they did happen of course). --Masem (t) 15:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- When did we last post G7 summit please? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - ITN/R is not an automatic notability pass. If this isn't notable, it's not notable.--WaltCip (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Um, yes it is. "This page in a nutshell: The recurring events listed on this page are considered suitable for inclusion on the Main Page in the In the news section every time they occur. Other recurring events may also be included if they satisfy the usual ITN criteria." It just needs to be sufficiently updated to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The opening of the summit is not notable. The conclusion may be, but this isn't.--WaltCip (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed. Where are people reading that the opening of the G8 is ITNR? I'm certainly not seeing that, but perhaps "mine eyes are dim, I cannot see"... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @WaltCip and The Rambling Man: ITNR just says the G8, or G7, is ITNR. It doesn't say opening or closing. Perhaps we should add a qualifier to note that we should post it upon its completion. Or was it meant to highlight the event in an ongoing style? I'm not sure of the intent there. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I just thought it was common sense because the opening of these is not inherently notable in any sense, what is decided and/or enacted during the course of the meetings may be. It's almost certainly jettisoning it from ITNR for that very reason. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I can understand why it was nominated now, as it's in the news and certainly dominated the news radio I was listening to on my way to work (well, that and Anthony Bourdain). I think it could go up now, but only if in better quality than it is. Otherwise, we can hope it's in good enough shape when the meeting ends, and there is something noteworthy to include in a blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I just thought it was common sense because the opening of these is not inherently notable in any sense, what is decided and/or enacted during the course of the meetings may be. It's almost certainly jettisoning it from ITNR for that very reason. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @WaltCip and The Rambling Man: ITNR just says the G8, or G7, is ITNR. It doesn't say opening or closing. Perhaps we should add a qualifier to note that we should post it upon its completion. Or was it meant to highlight the event in an ongoing style? I'm not sure of the intent there. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed. Where are people reading that the opening of the G8 is ITNR? I'm certainly not seeing that, but perhaps "mine eyes are dim, I cannot see"... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The opening of the summit is not notable. The conclusion may be, but this isn't.--WaltCip (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Um, yes it is. "This page in a nutshell: The recurring events listed on this page are considered suitable for inclusion on the Main Page in the In the news section every time they occur. Other recurring events may also be included if they satisfy the usual ITN criteria." It just needs to be sufficiently updated to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose both on quality, and because the ITNR listing (which is definitely there) should be for the end of the summit, once the news of the summit has been reported. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose it makes more sense to post the ending. Lepricavark (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose As others have mentioned, it makes more sense to post once the summit has concluded. While the increasing stance of President Trump to be isolationist is making news, I think that's another subject for another time. StrikerforceTalk 17:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I agree that, at least in this case, the conclusion is what matters, especially this year where it looks like Trump will be left out of the closing statement. 331dot (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
⇒ Near unanimous opposition. Nothing else is going to happen today. Suggest close. Sca (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted to RD) RD: Anthony Bourdain
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American chef and personality Anthony Bourdain is found dead from apparent suicide. (Post)
News source(s): BBC. Guardian.
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: US celebrity chef and television personality. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Several sources say suicide, which given his age and that he was seemingly in top form is surprising. Does this belong in the lede of the article? Sca (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support: Referenced. --Jamez42 (talk) 13:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Tagged about 8-9 statements for citations, but I don't think these are incredibly hard to complete (they are his well known activities but they should be cited). Obviously support once fixed. Iff this is deemed a suicide, I would potentially suggest this could be a blurb, but I'd say that's a premature call right now. --Masem (t) 14:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Support Blurb I'd equate Bourdain with Robin Williams or David Bowie - one of the top people in their field (culinary arts in this case, rather than a TV personality) with sufficient international reputation, and as it is pretty much assured a suicide, the death falls under "unusual". If it was a natural death, I'd likely oppose it, and I definitely understand the resiliency towards including this as a blurb now. --Masem (t) 19:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb even if this is a suicide, and the article is improved to FA status. Not Thatcher or Mandela, won't be a 3 days news fest like Michael Jackson. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support blurb top of his field, widely known, suicide is atypical for his field (unlike say musicians). Nergaal (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Anthony Bourdain was an influential chef and TV host, yet still commited suicide. It's been confirmed by CNN and by his friends. This is a terrible loss in food and entertainment media. —StarkinMN 15:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- "Celebrity chef and TV personality Anthony Bourdain committed suicide on Friday at the age of 61, in a shocking death that has stunned the food world. More news: "Bourdain hanged himself in his room at the Le Chambard hotel in Kaysersberg, France, where he was filming an upcoming episode of his CNN show Parts Unknown, according to French media." Count Iblis (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Not a reply to this !vote, but just a reminder that Daily Mail should not be used for sourcing anything BLP related. Mind you, that it was likely suicide was confirmed by multiple RSes, not an issue here, but we should be careful using DM to justify a reason to post an RD/blurb. --Masem (t) 18:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Conditional Support for RD There are a handful of CN tags in an otherwise good article. Once those are handled this should be good to go. Oppose Blurb. I have no idea where this silly idea that blurbs are reserved for persons on the level of Nelson Mandela or Margaret Thatcher originated, but that is obviously unrealistic and has never been the generally accepted standard. Nevertheless, while a well known television personality, I don't think he was in the top tier of his field, which has been the customary standard for blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD. Not newsworthy enough for a blurb. Natureium (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support RD. I just took care of the last few CN tags. - JuneGloom07 Talk 17:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support blurb: His unexpected death and left a huge impact and is being compared to that of Robin Williams. Article in good shape. If blurb fails then count me as a Support RD, but aim for blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD: This is shocking and sad, but isn't newsworthy enough in my book to merit a blurb. I'm not sure if he was well-known internationally, although he was an important cultural figure in the US. Jip Orlando (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support for RD, possibly blurb - Well-known culinary celebrity who showcased the world's cuisine. WAR headlines on many media outlets this morning (CNN notwithstanding). CoatCheck (talk) 17:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Tagging as Ready for RD. Discussions about a blurb can continue. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted as RD for the time being, blurb discussions can continue. Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- (e/c with Vanamonde, but it's posted). Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict × 2) What Black Kite said. Vanamonde (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. There's no way this rises to blurb levels of significance or impact. This is exactly the sort of notable but not blurb-able person RD was created for. RD is fine. Modest Genius talk 18:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support blurb Bourdain is currently at the top of the New York Times' website with no less than
fivesix different articles. He's credited with changing how food and food culture is covered in popular media. (For example: "Among other things, he was one of the first writers to tell the dining public that many high-profile New York restaurants would cease to function without the work and talents of Mexican employees. It was almost a casual aside, yet it suddenly opened new subjects to the purview of food writing: immigration policy, labor conditions, racism.") Forbes calls him a "culinary Hemingway." The Telegraph says that his "influence on chefs and food writers is hard to overstate." The Smithsonian called him the "the original rock star" of the culinary world. (Note: If this does go up, which to be fair appears unlikely, the blurb should not mention how he died.) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC) - Support blurb per CoatCheck and Ted17. Gamaliel (talk) 19:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - With respect to supporters, I’m with those saying this posted RD should not be a blurb. Arguments to the contrary are unconvincing, and in my view the overall ITN-blurb notability just isn’t there. Jusdafax (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The applicable criterion in question is if the death ITSELF is noteworthy. This could be due to the circumstances or the "state funeral" sort of thing. So while a suicide is nominally noteworthy, it does not appear that reaction is particularly targeted at that. Rather, the reaction is largely tied to his legacy. ghost 22:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb our blurb standards for death are very high, and I don’t see this making it. This isn’t a major international story - Bourdain wasn’t greatly well-known outside the US. —LukeSurl t c 23:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Remove 2018 Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak from ongoing
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Few recent updates. On behalf of User:Tone. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
No essential updates in the last 5 days. Clearly, the outbreak is still ongoing but the news have receded, update-wise. --Tone 08:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Remove regrettably. ghost 11:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Remove - per nom. Jusdafax (talk) 19:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) 2018 Stanley Cup Finals
Blurb: In ice hockey, the Washington Capitals defeat the Vegas Golden Knights to win the Stanley Cup Finals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In ice hockey, the Washington Capitals defeat the Vegas Golden Knights to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Alexander Ovechkin pictured).
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Conyo14 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
– Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose at least until updated. @Muboshgu: the article does not reflect this information. — xaosflux Talk 03:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- It will in a few minutes. I'm posting it as it's happening. The Capitals haven't lifted the Cup yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
OpposeLead not updated, main text for game 5 not updated after 7:37 left in the game. --Jayron32 03:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)- I think the lead is updated, and the end of the game is too after my next edit. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Withdraw my opposition. It'd be nice to see the lead expanded a bit to more fully cover the series, but there's nothing I want to hold up posting at this point. Still, don't take this as an endorsement of perfection. If you want a well-written article you still have work to do. --Jayron32 04:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Perfection is a cruel mistress, and this is pretty good for a quick update. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Perfection is not a synonym for adequate, and I am saying this is not even the latter. --Jayron32 05:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's adequate for these purposes, but certainly not GA yet. The work is never done. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Perfection is not a synonym for adequate, and I am saying this is not even the latter. --Jayron32 05:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Perfection is a cruel mistress, and this is pretty good for a quick update. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Withdraw my opposition. It'd be nice to see the lead expanded a bit to more fully cover the series, but there's nothing I want to hold up posting at this point. Still, don't take this as an endorsement of perfection. If you want a well-written article you still have work to do. --Jayron32 04:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think the lead is updated, and the end of the game is too after my next edit. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - ITN/R and article has been updated, well done Muboshgu! I think the blurb should mention it's the Capitals' first Stanley Cup. -Zanhe (talk) 04:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Support and agree that the blurb should mention it is their first Stanley Cup. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Agree with Zanhe and HickoryOughtshirt?4, that the blurb should mention that this year's Cup is the Capitals' first. I also think regardless of what the final version of the blurb says (preferably one mentioning the Capitals winning the Cup for the first time), the photo of Ovechkin from the alternative blurb along with at least some version of the caption, should be use. DJMcNiff (talk) 05:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support and agree that we should mention that it is the Washington Capitals' first ever Stanley Cup victory. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC))
- Posting, just the basic blurb for the time being. Feel free to change and also to change the photo. --Tone 08:25, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Post-posting support, decent article with an adequate update. I agree with adding an image of Ovechkin per the footnote on ITNR, but don't think we need to point out that it's the Caps first win, which is trivia that can be left to the article. Modest Genius talk 11:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support the notation of Ovechkin in the blurb (with photo) per ITNR. ghost 22:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) PC Party Wins Ontario Election
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: The Ontario PC party, led by Doug Ford wins a majority in the Ontario Provincial election (Post)
News source(s): http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-vote-ford-horwath-wynne-pc-ndp-liberal-green-1.4696736
Credits:
- Nominated by GrandKokla (talk · give credit)
- Oppose We never post provincial/state level election results. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: I know Ontario isn't Canada, but it's sheer proportion of the Canadian population and the notoriety of being Rob Ford's brother should surely be noteworthy since he captivated a worldwide audience. GrandKokla (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, not really. It's still a subnational election with subnational consequences and Doug Ford is not his brother. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- It isn't true that subnational elections aren't always covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Massachusetts,_2010 for example was in the news. GrandKokla (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Consensus has changed in the eight years since that was posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I can't find where this consensus has changed besides what you have just written. GrandKokla (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Regarding the Massachusetts special election, that wasn't a sub-national election, that was essentially a by-election for a national legislative body. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2018 (UTC))
- Consensus has changed in the eight years since that was posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- It isn't true that subnational elections aren't always covered. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Massachusetts,_2010 for example was in the news. GrandKokla (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- No, not really. It's still a subnational election with subnational consequences and Doug Ford is not his brother. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: I know Ontario isn't Canada, but it's sheer proportion of the Canadian population and the notoriety of being Rob Ford's brother should surely be noteworthy since he captivated a worldwide audience. GrandKokla (talk) 03:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Infobox is not updated with results; data in infobox implies the PC lost. Fix that! --Jayron32 03:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The link very clearly states a win. GrandKokla (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- You're expecting us to post an substandard article to the main page, with obvious and easily fixable errors? In the time it took you to argue with me, you could have already fixed the article and then you'd have had my support. Why are you so opposed to making Wikipedia articles better? --Jayron32 04:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The link very clearly states a win. GrandKokla (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose the notoriety of Rob and Doug Ford makes this more in-the-news than the average sub-national election, but not enough. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The sheer size of the Ontario, (if it was country, would be in 17th-19th place for nominal GDP) makes this election important in magnitude. State elections for single senate seats have been featured before, which is a far lower bar. GrandKokla (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- California would be the sixth largest economy in the world and we're not posting Governor Gavin (it's gonna happen). – Muboshgu (talk) 04:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The sheer size of the Ontario, (if it was country, would be in 17th-19th place for nominal GDP) makes this election important in magnitude. State elections for single senate seats have been featured before, which is a far lower bar. GrandKokla (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose, longstanding consensus is to never post subnational election result to ITN. Abductive (reasoning) 04:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. Yes, it is true that this is more notable than the average regional election. But it is still nowhere near notable enough. There are zero provincial or state elections that are notable enough for ITN. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC))
- Weak Support in the news (gasp!), decent article (needs prose update of results though), and an unlikely premier of Canada's largest province. Given every incremental update in the Catalonia drama was posted, the phrase "we don't post subnational elections" is utter horseshit which is rightly ignored. It is, after in, "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 12:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose local politics and of no interest to the vast majority of our readers. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose since this is not a national election (results from only one province), and local elections do not have the same notability as national ones. Tillerh11 (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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NASA Curiosity finds organic matter on Mars
Blurb: NASA reports discovery of complex organic molecules found by Curiosity in the Gale crater on Mars (Post)
Alternative blurb: NASA reports discovery of complex organic molecules found by Curiosity in the Gale crater on Mars.
News source(s): Science (journal article), Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Quoting from the Science abstract, "Diverse pyrolysis products, including thiophenic, aromatic, and aliphatic compounds released at high temperatures (500° to 820°C), were directly detected by evolved gas analysis" - this is not just methane. I don't think we'd want to link to Life on Mars as that's too speculative, but the results do show that some 3billion years ago, there were organic chemistry on the surface or subsurface of Mars. Masem (t) 18:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- And it’s good! Kevin Harlan signs 2601:2C0:4700:4A9A:D859:39D1:F103:2B9C (talk) 19:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC) Yes Kevin Harlan controls the account
- Oppose Very "inside baseball". The typical reader is likely going to see the blurb and think, "Okay, so? Does this mean we've found actual life?" Cool fact, but not ITN worthy, IMO. StrikerforceTalk 20:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- For me, this comes down to how well this new information is covered in the target article. Curiosity (rover) currently has not been updated regarding this, and it doesn't look like the best place for this info - the article appears to be mostly about the technical details of the robot rather than its discoveries. Lets work out how and where we should update the encylopedia to include this information. --LukeSurl t c 20:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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- I've added to Life on Mars (under "Curiosity rover sediment sampling"), which is probably where it makes the most sense, though adding to the timeline also would make sense. --Masem (t) 21:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppopse. Unlikely that we'll see sailors fighting in the dance hall over this news. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment top science story today, I want to support but the blurb is misleading. It should say something like "organic compounds that could have supported life on mars". --LaserLegs (talk) 23:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support on significance. Can the update be expanded a bit?
I can't access the various Science articles, butThere's some extra details in the comment here: [1] Espresso Addict (talk) 23:45, 7 June 2018 (UTC)- I have a massive CoI so won't !vote, but I will point out that the two Science papers are currently freely available at [2] and [3]. The accompanying Science news report is at [4] under a metered paywall with the first few articles free. Modest Genius talk 11:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed, I successfully accessed both after making this comment, and made some additions to Life_on_Mars#Curiosity_rover_sediment_sampling. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- I have a massive CoI so won't !vote, but I will point out that the two Science papers are currently freely available at [2] and [3]. The accompanying Science news report is at [4] under a metered paywall with the first few articles free. Modest Genius talk 11:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose, incremental. Even the linked Guardian article says they have detected organics before. Organics are common in the outer solar system, so finding them on Mars is to be expected. Abductive (reasoning) 01:13, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Don't mean to badger, but the comment in Science points out this is 100x previous levels of organic compounds, & the fact that they were found at two distinct sites tends to suggest hitting meteorites is unlikely to be the source. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose target article has not been updated. --Jayron32 01:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- The updated article is Life on Mars, though the update so far is modest. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- If that is the case, you should correct the template above. When you say that the updated article, in the template, is supposed to be Curiosity (rover), that is the article we're all supposed to assess for main page appropriateness. If you didn't want that article to be assessed, you should have identified the one you DID want assessed. I'm not a mind-reader, you know. If you tell me to assess an article, I'm going to assess the one you tell me. --Jayron32 02:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Also, in that case Oppose because the target article is not even linked in the blurb. --Jayron32 02:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support but only with the bold link to Life_on_Mars#Curiosity_rover_sediment_sampling. This is an interesting, timely, topic that our encylopedia can provide helpful information on. --LukeSurl t c 12:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support my blurb well-referenced article and significant story. Propose blurb:
- NASA reports discovery of complex organic molecules found by Curiosity in the Gale crater on Mars
- wumbolo ^^^ 13:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support NASA discovered oil on Mars. That means USA will be there soon. Nergaal (talk) 15:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
RD: Peter Stringfellow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: At the time of nominating there are two {{citation needed}}s, but these seem to be fairly minor issues that could be resolved fairly easily. Article is generally in good shape. LukeSurl t c 10:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I've addressed the two aforementioned {{citation needed}} tags. --LukeSurl t c 11:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support And over to the strip club for a stiff one. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. The referencing needs work. Several references to Daily Mail (I removed one, but there are others) and his own businesses; Is Strip Magazine reliable? Espresso Addict (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Referencing is not up to snuff. Too many cn tags, unreliable sources, etc. --Jayron32 04:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Red Schoendienst
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News St. Louis Dispatch
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- Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Oldest living member of Baseball Hall of Fame. Famed St. Louis "Mr. Cardinal" wore the uniform longer than anybody else in team franchise history (67 of his 76 years in baseball with the Cardinals). Coached for the 1964 world champion team and managed them for their 1967 World Series win. CoatCheck (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- It needs some work. I'm giving it some TLC and may do some research to find missing citations. If I do I'll put myself on as an updater. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Gave it some work, adding myself as updater. Will fix any remaining problems tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support looks fine. ghost 11:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent work, thanks Muboshgu. Jusdafax (talk) 11:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. SpencerT•C 17:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Remove Turkish currency and debt crisis, 2018 from ongoing
Withdrew per last comment. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: Few recent updates. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support removal I think this is one of those cases where we misunderstood the idea of "ongoing." Yes, the crisis is ongoing, but I would not expect continual ITN level status changes. In any case, I consume a wide variety of news sources daily and have not heard a whisper of this outside of ITN. ghost 16:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose removal There are almost daily updates, either in the main text, in the timelines of events, or both. If you look through recent events, you will see that the crisis appears to be deepening by the day. -- 2A1ZA (talk) 16:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose removal the nomination comment is simply inaccurate. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose removal - I also do not hear that much about it in my country, however, the comment that there are few recent updates is simply incorrect when looking at the article itself. Dragnadh (talk) 20:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Withdraw with the new news of 6 June. When I nominated this, the timelines sections had one entry newer than 1 June. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Glynn Edwards
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Telegraph)
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Died 23 May, death announced today 5 June. A few referencing issues to address. Mjroots (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- This was reported Tuesday [5]. Even the source above has that in the URL. ghost 15:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- So should be moved back to 5 June? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough, moved. Mjroots (talk) 15:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support. Seems ok. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: short lead (doesn't even say that it's a man), a bare url, and one link which is only a number. Also: shouldn't he have stayed under the date of reporting, rather day of death? I am thinking about someone who died 2 June, - should it be there or today, if I manage? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- This was day of reporting. He died on 23 May. Feel free to improve the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I am busy with "mine". Is day of reporting when it's in a source, or when I bring it here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- When it's in a source, apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- It does say he was a man, it's implicit from the word "actor". Mjroots (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Referencing issues addressed. Mjroots (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- It does say he was a man, it's implicit from the word "actor". Mjroots (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- When it's in a source, apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
OpposeSupport Filmography entirely unreferenced. ghost 18:08, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- [6] looks promising as ref for the filmography, but then has the same character listed dozens of times...are those TV episodes? Is this a reliable source? ghost 18:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I must say that is very disappointing. I'd expect much better from BFI. Not sure where else to look. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC) Dave??
- I figured it out...eventually. It's dumb, but it is the BFI. Added a second ref from "Memorable TV" for most of them. Aside from a "who cares" CN for his school (remove it if we must) I'm happy now. ghost 21:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- I must say that is very disappointing. I'd expect much better from BFI. Not sure where else to look. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC) Dave??
- [6] looks promising as ref for the filmography, but then has the same character listed dozens of times...are those TV episodes? Is this a reliable source? ghost 18:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. In addition to the referencing problems, it's very slight & poorly organised. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:51, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks to ghost, every TV and film appearance is now referenced? When did "slightness" become a valid reason for exclusion? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- We require articles to present a full coverage of the topic, and we require them to be above a stub; I'd assess what I looked at as a stub. There's more in the Guardian obit, if someone advocating for this can be bothered to comb through it. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- We're now saying that the article is "a stub"? You'll need to adjust the status at the Talk page. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Have now added as suggested. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - too late. We should stick with recent deaths, not recently reported deaths. Imagine someone who went MIA in Vietnam War and recently confirmed dead. -Zanhe (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Zanhe: there is precedent for treating these cases as being listed as though they occurred on the day of first reporting. In the scenario you mention, it would be assessed on its merits. Mjroots (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support article has been much improved, great work. Just the one [citation needed] which apparently might be in The Daily Telegraph obit which I can't access. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Feng Ting-kuo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 前親民黨立委馮定國辭世 得年67歲 Template:Zh icon (as referenced on Deaths in 2018)
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article seems in order, though I am unable to check the Chinese language refs. Reference on Deaths in 2018 for his death is also in Chinese, so I am not going to add this to the article myself. LukeSurl t c 11:21, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - I've fixed the bare urls. Article is now adequate for RD. -Zanhe (talk) 18:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support it's a little on the light side but what's there looks well referenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support. Relatively insignificant political figure, which is probably why the article is on the light side. The quality looks fine though. Alex Shih (talk) 12:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - Article too light and bare bones, insignificant political figure, death not in English language news at all (and news coverage of this person has been limited). 1779Days (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- @1779Days: Read the fine print above: anyone notable enough for Wikipedia is notable enough for RD. And English news source is not a requirement per WP:BIAS. We post lots of insignificant figures from the English-speaking world. -Zanhe (talk) 03:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Has anyone at least spot-checked the Chinese language sources? Espresso Addict (talk) 21:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yes I have and they're fine. -Zanhe (talk) 03:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kate Spade
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, PageSix
Credits:
- Nominated by Power~enwiki (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: New York fashion designer and businesswoman, in an apparent suicide. Very heavy editing of the article at present. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:36, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Notable. Ultimograph5 (talk) 17:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Notability is not under consideration for RD nominations. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.--WaltCip (talk) 17:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose a few citations required. The Rambling Man (talk)
- Most of these are trivial; I'll check in an hour and fix any remaining issues. Right now the concern over what her legal name was at death is the only non-trivial issue I see. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Trivial or not, it's a BLP so they need fixing or removing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was waiting for the initial flurry of edits to die down to avoid edit conflicts. Everything should be sourced now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Still two [citation needed] although one appears that it might be covered already. Nearly there. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was waiting for the initial flurry of edits to die down to avoid edit conflicts. Everything should be sourced now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Trivial or not, it's a BLP so they need fixing or removing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Most of these are trivial; I'll check in an hour and fix any remaining issues. Right now the concern over what her legal name was at death is the only non-trivial issue I see. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Referencing looks ok to me.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Everything seems to have been fixed. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:52, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article looks OK to me. My wife called me from her job, where her access to outside telephone service is very limited, to ask if I could get more information on this ... even though she never owned any Kate Spade bags, she was stunned to hear that Ms. Spade had died, and even more stunned to hear that she had killed herself. Daniel Case (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) David Koch resigns
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Blurb: GOP gigadonor David Koch steps down from Koch Industries (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Oppose ultra-local semi-political retirement of an old man. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN rarely, if ever, posts retirements (outside of heads of state/government). I don't see any reason to make an exception here. Highlighting that he is a "GOP gigadonor" would be a clear violation of WP:NPOV. --LukeSurl t c 15:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose No, just no, and extra no on the proposed blurb. -- KTC (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Question What's a gop gigadonor? Isa (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- The Grand Old Party is the Republican Party. And I guess a gigadonor is a step up from a megadonor?--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose And Howard Schultz is leaving Starbucks. Neither is significant enough for ITN.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Eunice Lam
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Zanhe (talk) 00:37, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Very slight, especially with all the repetition between lead and body. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak support what's there is referenced, but it's brief. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 10:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
(Stale) RD: C.M. Newton
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Comment. Needs more sourcing. Also an expanded lead, and some sort of personal life section; there's mention of daughters but nothing on with whom, and not even a mention of his birth & death places. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose inadequately referenced BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose CNs noted, also Head Coaching record needs cited. ghost 15:09, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: J. B. Munro
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dominion Post
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Weak opposeof the two things mentioned in the lead of this very brief article, the disability advocacy doesn't seem to be really expanded upon and covered in more detail in the main body. The rest is, as usual, well referenced however. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)- Weak support better, still brief, but better. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. I think the disability advocacy is at least touched on in the various charity positions he held? But the split between sections with the political career in the middle downplays it. I'd like to see at least a half sentence on what he did as an MP. The categories suggest he was also a councillor for Invercargill, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the text. What happened to the biography by Stace? Espresso Addict (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, TDKR Chicago 101, looking somewhat better now. Is there any evidence that this death is in the news? Espresso Addict (talk) 23:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict:: From the Otago Daily Times --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Espresso Addict: & @The Rambling Man:: How about now? I added more info in regards to parliament career. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - well referenced, good for RD. -Zanhe (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Looks ready for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 11:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posting. Alex Shih (talk) 12:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dwight Clark
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Glacier109 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 01:52, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Opposeinadequately referenced BLP. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)- @The Rambling Man: How about now? – Muboshgu (talk) 13:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any issues. ghost 15:09, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Seems to have been improved. –Ammarpad (talk) 15:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support looks ready to me. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:29, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support looks good. -Zanhe (talk) 22:25, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:46, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Frank Carlucci
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Is there a more reliable/additional source for the Lumumba film accusation? It's a fairly weighty accusation to pend purely off a single non-mainstream website. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- It's referenced in the Nation article; I've added it (and cleared up the {{cn}} in the next section). — Hugh (talk) 01:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support good enough for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. ghost 15:09, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - looks good. -Zanhe (talk) 22:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:44, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Bumped - This got bumped by Mustapha Akanbi less than a day after posting. Is there any reason why we can't have both entries in the ITN box at the same time?--WaltCip (talk) 11:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Slovenian parliamentary election, 2018
Blurb: In the Slovenian parliamentary election the Slovenian Democratic Party wins the most seats. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: 99.9% of votes counted now. 10 different parties got seats in a PR system, so it's hard to declare a "winner" and the government formation (and new PM) might take a while. Article looks fairly good for the campaign coverage, just needs a bit of post-election stuff and a bit of a tidy in the tables. LukeSurl t c 11:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment The results of general elections in all states on List of sovereign states are WP:ITNR. I changed it. TompaDompa (talk) 13:02, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd like to see some reactions other than "Government formation" section and there is a tag in the candidates list section. I'll try to add more. We can include the president of the winning party in the blurb. --Tone 20:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. As Tone said, we normally ask for a couple of paragraphs of reactions. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:19, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Well-referenced. There also is an "Aftermath" section which tells about party reactions to possible government coalition talks; I'm not sure if there even are any possible international reactions to the election results itself. --Pudeo (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- Stephen, did we edit conflict? I'm not seeing this in the history. Sorry. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:15, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
- All good. You did edit under me but updated now. Stephen 01:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
Omar Razzaz becomes Prime Minister of Jordan
Blurb: Omar Razzaz becomes Prime Minister of Jordan after his predecessor resigns following widespread protests against austerity measures. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: News just breaking. Article isn't great. There doesn't seem to be a current article for his successor Omar al-Razza. LukeSurl t c 11:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edits made by Makeandtoss to the template have made my comment there somewhat redundant) --LukeSurl t c 12:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Symbolic non-executive official appointed by king at will, and can be dismissed as such. (Also Cf. #Premier of Pakistan changed) down below. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Ammarpad: I don't see how your misinformed opinion has to do with this being news. The new government still has to be approved by an elected parliament, and can be also be dismissed by it. In any case it is still noteworthy as the protests are still ongoing. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Conditional Support symbolic or not, this is still a head of government of a sovereign state. The new PM can use a few thousand bytes of prose though. Juxlos (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Juxlos: Designation is official now. Did my best to expand article at this moment, I expanded the protests article though. What do you think? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Mustapha Akanbi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Nigerian jurist, head of the Independent Corrupt Practices Commission. Article appears to be OK. LukeSurl t c 08:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Not that great article but seems sufficient and adequately referenced. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. Is ref 1 working for anyone? I can't open it, and it supports around a third of the article. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Here's the internet archive version from the WaybackMachine: [8]. SpencerT•C 04:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Volcán de Fuego eruption
Blurb: In Guatemala, Volcán de Fuego erupts, killing 7 people and forcing the closure of the La Aurora International Airport. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Guatemala, Volcán de Fuego erupts, killing 38 people.
Alternative blurb II: Twenty-five people have been killed and hundreds injured in the most violent eruption in decades in Guatemala.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GWA88 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: First deadly volcano eruption in 2 years. EternalNomad (talk) 01:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support. Would suggest bolding Volcán de Fuego, and giving updater credit to GWA88. Someone should also stay on top of the death toll, as the lava flow is currently headed towards a small town. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
- Oppose for now. There's almost no prose about this eruption beyond a single sentence in a table, which imparts little more information than the blurb itself does. Would expect at least a paragraph, if not more, on this eruption, written in the main body of the article. --Jayron32 01:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I was originally going to state that I did not think the volcano's article merited more detail on this eruption than was currently listed, but as we're now up to 25 deaths, I'd say this eruption merits its own article and we ought to consider bolding that once it's been done. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
- Comment Just started a separate article on the eruption at 2018 Volcán de Fuego eruption. Will work on expanding it. SounderBruce 06:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I was originally going to state that I did not think the volcano's article merited more detail on this eruption than was currently listed, but as we're now up to 25 deaths, I'd say this eruption merits its own article and we ought to consider bolding that once it's been done. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
- Comment ALT blurb added. Pinging EternalNomad, NorthernFalcon, Jayron32 and SounderBruce. Mjroots (talk) 07:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Changed article target. Sherenk1 (talk) 08:06, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support. The article for it is borderline decent, and certainly will be more updated by tomorrow. It is extremely rare for volcanoes to kill 25 people. Alex of Canada (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - clearly a notable event. 2018 Volcán de Fuego eruption is short, but doesn't appear to have anything wrong with it. The {{current disaster}} template explains to readers that this is a developing article and will expand as more information becomes available. I think we can post now and trust editors to work on the article as details emerge. --LukeSurl t c 08:44, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose target article is barely a stub. Volcano article not suitably updated to be bold link. This isn't "important" it's not a race to post yet another disaster stub asap. It's in the news, will support when the article is better. --LaserLegs (talk) 08:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt1 on significance, but the article needs some serious expansion first. Modest Genius talk 10:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support in principle – Prefer alt1, but article needs work. (Verbs should be shifted to past tense as article is updated.) Sca (talk) 13:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Conditional Support of 2nd Blurb article needs work, but after some work should be posted. Awestruck1 (talk) 14:52 4 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.130.2 (talk)
- Support alt1 when article is ready. Lepricavark (talk) 15:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- I believe this is ready to post now. The article contains almost all the information that is known so far. --LukeSurl t c 15:42, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I just changed the alt blurb to 38 deaths, as the death toll was recently revised. The eruption article had already been updated. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
- Support Clearly notable, articles are sufficient. Davey2116 (talk) 15:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Standalong article for altblurb looks good (short but sufficiently sourced and details at this time), and clearly significant. --Masem (t) 16:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted alt 1 blurb. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment I think part of the issue is that the sources are themselves changing as more information becomes available. I'll see what I can do to clean up the tags. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2018 (UTC))
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(Stale) RD: Joe Berinson
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Obit
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose While a little more fleshed out compared to the nomination below, articles of politicians need to be more than a prose list of the positions occupied to merit an RD posting imo. The article needs to have information on what the subject did while in that position, notable policy changes, issues that the subject advocated for, major controversies, etc. SpencerT•C 13:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Spencer, what's there is just fine, but it's too brief. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Stale) RD: Álvaro Lapuerta
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9] (Spanish)
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Support Looks OK. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Virtually no description of what he did during his political career; the article insufficiently covers the subject to merit RD posting. SpencerT•C 13:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose It's too short - still a stub in my view.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose it is a stub, just not tagged as such. Talkpage has it correctly categorised. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
(Stale) RD: Nick Meglin
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose Needs more reference and content. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose what's there is fine, but it's too short, not much beyond a stub at this point, as the talkpage correctly categorises it. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
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(Stale) RD: John Julius Norwich
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Presidentman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Rcb1 (talk · give credit) and OpenToppedBus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose flagrant abuse of fair use image. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:49, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- The image has now been removed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Lots of CN tags, many primary sources. Nixinova T C 02:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sad news. I have read a number of his books and particularly recommend his three volume history of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium). Alas, the article is in rough shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) U.S.-North Korea summit
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Blurb: U.S. President Donald Trump announces that the North Korea-United States summit has been reinstated for June 12, 2018. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- I'm all for posting it if and when it actually happens. —Cryptic 19:01, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I think at this point we should wait until the two men actually shake hands. Trump could change his mind in an hour. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Oppose wait for it to happen. The summit may be important news, the soap opera of scheduling it is not. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. If it happens it might merit posting, but it certainly doesn't before then. Thryduulf (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose post it if it happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose considering that the original announcement for this date almost a month ago was not nominated nor posted, it would be very hypocritical to post the reinstatement on ITN, we’re better off just posting this event on ITN when the actual event occurs, as it’s just over a week away. SamaranEmerald (talk) 19:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose I was wrong for supporting the nomination announcing the cancellation of this summit. Who the hell knows whether or not it will happen. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Let's see if it actually happens first.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:30, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per consensus from the "cancelled" nomination. It is clear that when (if) this happens, that will be ITN, and editors can prep that article now for it, but the waffling here is just political saber rattling. --Masem (t) 19:32, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Until it happens. Then it'll be the turning point of a career, in Korea, being insincere. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wait until it actually happens. Nixinova T C 20:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose It's all just propaganda. two narcissistic synchophants massaging each other. If it really happens and something encyclopaedically noteworthy happens, we can revisit later. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:42, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Spanish prime minister
Blurb: Pedro Sánchez becomes Prime Minister of Spain after Mariano Rajoy loses a vote of no confidence. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pedro Sánchez becomes Prime Minister of Spain after Mariano Rajoy loses a vote of no confidence.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)
KTC (talk) 10:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Gürtel case is the article about the scandal which has caused this. --LukeSurl t c 10:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I'd like to see a more substantial update (i.e. a paragraph, not two sentences) in both articles. It might be worth adding the Gürtel case to the blurb as a cause of the vote - in a similar way that Najib Razak lost the Malaysian general election, 2018 due in part to the 1Malaysia Development Berhad scandal. Fuebaey (talk) 10:49, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support on significance, I've not checked the updates. I agree we should get Gürtel case into the blurb somewhere. Has Sanchez officially become PM already? The media reports I'm seeing say 'expect to be succeeded by' or similar wording. Modest Genius talk 10:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support We also have an article on 2018 vote of no confidence in the government of Mariano Rajoy, which would be another good target. Smurrayinchester 12:18, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support, and vote of no confidence is sufficient to be the sole bold article. --LukeSurl t c 13:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Opposeit's "in the news" which is all I care about, but the vote section has no refs. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)- Support alt-blurb only. Sixth consecutive euro-centric story posted to ITN and not a single cry of "systemic bias". --LaserLegs (talk) 15:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support, it's the first time in Spanish history that a vote of no-confidences kicks out a government and the first time in democracy a Spanish Prime Minister is outsed due to a corruption scandal. It's really important, and have an impact in EU. --Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support – Change in head of govt. Significant European political shift to left. Sca (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support altblurb Significance is clear. The "no confidence" article is well -sourced (sourcing issues pointed out in previous !votes have been fixed it seems), and summarizes the situation pretty well. It would be nice to have the Gurtel case article improved, but that's not a show-stopper for posting this. --Masem (t) 15:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per Masem.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb A change in head-of-government, accompanied by a party-switch. Very significant. Davey2116 (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb per others. A real surprise, although not as dramatic as what's happened in Italy. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb per ITNR. --Jamez42 (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Not ITNR but that's ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment marked ready. No confidence article is good enough, consensus to post. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support altblurb per others. Lepricavark (talk) 18:34, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 19:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
Premier of Pakistan changed
Blurb: Nasirul Mulk is sworn in as Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former Chief Justice of Pakistan Nasirul Mulk takes oath as 7th Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan.
News source(s): Geo News, The Express Tribune, The News International, Pakistan Today
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Amirk94391 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Gaining widespread media coverage. Plus change of head of state is also listed in ITNR. The article seems to be in good state. Amirk94391 (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Removed as nomination under ITNR as this is a change in head of government other than through an election. The head of state of Pakistan is the president. -- KTC (talk) 10:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Placeholder roles aren't inherently significant enough for ITN. Barring any unforseen circumstances, he'll be in office for about two months until after the Pakistani general election, 2018 and however long it takes to form a new government. Fuebaey (talk) 10:32, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient, news sources indicate this is currently in the news. --Jayron32 01:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Italian government formed
Blurb: After months of negotiations, the Government of Change takes power in Italy with Giuseppe Conte as prime minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: Giuseppe Conte becomes Prime Minister of Italy, leading a coalition government after protracted negotiations
News source(s): e.g. [11] with lots of previous coverage [12]
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Angelo.romano (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Banedon (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose the Government of Change article is not updated and forms a very important part of the blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support. The end of a long-running saga with important implications for the world's 8th largest economy. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 11:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- I could support this. My only niggling concern is the amount of paragraphs beginning or infested with proseline (on xx March/April/May 2018...) in the highlighted article, though repetitive yet coherent English isn't a barrier for posting. Fuebaey (talk) 15:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - The new government will most likely put Italy in the Euro-critic camp, as in they will oppose certain rules and agreements currently being enforced within the EU, such as the sending migrants back and having plans that go against the fiscal/economic policies of the EU. Like Modest Genius said this will have quite some implications for the EU, and is a move away from ussual Italian politics from my understanding, henche why I support putting this on the frontpage. However, the article is quite sparse and needs a update. Dragnadh (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Definitely one of the most significant developments in recent European politics. Has been covered heavily by international media.--RaviC (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Question we posted the election results back on March 9th, so is this government unexpected or did it just take longer than usual to form a shaky coalition that'll collapse in 18 months and force new elections? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- All of the pre-election alliances failed to reach a coalition, but the new alliance (which includes populists from across the political spectrum) was unexpected by many due to the differences in ideology. It does however have a stable majority in both houses of the Italian Parliament. --RaviC (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. No comment on nom. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wait. We should wait and see if this government will last for more than a few weeks. Count Iblis (talk) 12:55, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- By which time this would no longer be news? --RaviC (talk) 13:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support articles sufficiently updated, ITN/R Juxlos (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Article(s) in presentable condition, ITN-worthy and with international implications. Jusdafax (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support ITN/R, and article has been greatly improved since I last checked. Davey2116 (talk) 17:15, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Not ITN/R but that's ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support I have no doubt about the importance of Spanish developments, but I sincerly think that the Italian situation is maybe even more important, due to the formation of the first "fully populist government" in Western Europe (1, 2, 3). So, in my humble opinion, we had to insert it (maybe with Conte's pic). -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- That's seven, seven consecutive Euro-centric blurbs posted without any claims of "systemic bias" - ha ha ha --LaserLegs (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- You do realise that Europe is composed of more than one country, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- And I'm sure if there were a similar set of concurrent unconnected events, all in North America - say a change of government in both the US and Canada, the Superbowl, a referendum on abortion in America - there would be no hesitation to post them all. — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- You do realise that Europe is composed of more than one country, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:05, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- That's seven, seven consecutive Euro-centric blurbs posted without any claims of "systemic bias" - ha ha ha --LaserLegs (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) Arkady Babchenko fakes death
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Blurb: Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko fakes his own death, claiming a plot on his life (Post)
News source(s): See article or Google, e.g. [13]
Credits:
- Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Lopifalko (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Press stunts are not ITN. --Masem (t) 02:12, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Highly unusual story, in the news and article is sufficiently updated. Pawnkingthree (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose would make a great DYK (while it exists). The Rambling Man (talk) 05:22, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose a thoroughly bizarre story, and probably relevant to ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflicts in ways that aren't clear yet. But not important enough to post here. It is DYK eligible and is on the Current events portal. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. A very strange event but not one with ITN-levels of significance. It would make a great DYK though. Modest Genius talk 11:01, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose because of some missing refs. Else, it's in the news, and highly unusual. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support--UkrainianCossack (talk) 14:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per Masem, Genius. Stunt roundly criticized as disruptive. Sca (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Whether this is a continuation of the propaganda war between Russia-Ukraine or a journalist being too close to the news for his job, I don't think this reaches the significance required for posting onto ITN. Unless serious diplomatic repercussions come out of it, this is no bigger than a TV prank show meme. Fuebaey (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Support Very notable, and article is pretty good. Davey2116 (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose better suited for DYK. Lepricavark (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
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