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Peggy Stuart Coolidge: hook too long
One to One (TV series): suggested an alt that should be okay (but left ticking to Mattisse or another)
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::Fixed. Added references from three separate brand new sources. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 19:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
::Fixed. Added references from three separate brand new sources. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|&bull;]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 19:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
:* [[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px]] Most of this long article is a listing of the various episodes, referenced to a program guide. Of the few independent sources referenced, none of them seem to have to do with the hook. If I am missing something, please help me and point it out. &mdash;[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 23:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
:* [[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px]] Most of this long article is a listing of the various episodes, referenced to a program guide. Of the few independent sources referenced, none of them seem to have to do with the hook. If I am missing something, please help me and point it out. &mdash;[[User:Mattisse|<font color="navy">'''Mattisse'''</font>]] ([[User talk:Mattisse|Talk]]) 23:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

*'''ALT1:''' ... that since 2006, [[Republic of Ireland|Irish]] TV programme '''''[[One to One]]'''''{{'}}s interviewees have included a former head of [[United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission|UN Monitoring]] ''(pictured)'', a [[US Supreme Court]] judge, and a former [[Barack Obama]] advisor? —— (spelled "programme" and "US" for added Irishness)
:* (= [[Hans Blix]], [[Ruth Bader Ginsburg]], [[Samantha Power]]: angle being just "up-and-coming Irish show gets US/Int'l guests".) All sourced with only the episode guide, but this time the claims are proportionate to the source. <span style="color:#00F">&mdash;</span>&nbsp;[[User:The Little Blue Frog|The Little Blue Frog]]&nbsp;([[User talk:The Little Blue Frog|<span style="font-weight:lighter">ribbit</span>]]) 12:56, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on April 16

  • ... that Peggy Stuart Coolidge (1913-1981) was the first female American composer to have a recording devoted to her symphonic works, and the first American composer (male or female) to have a concert devoted entirely to her works presented in the Soviet Union?

Created by JackofOz (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Primary ref is Oxford (FN#1) in Consumer Recognition section. The online New York Times ref (FN#2) is a collaborative ref especially regarding Chardonnay

Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 08:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Rkitko (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • ... that Harald Beyer´s textbook on literary history was the most used textbook in its field at Norwegian universities between the 1950s and the mid 1990s?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 01:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 15

5x expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Resolute (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


5x expanded by Nomadtales (talk). Self nom at 03:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Created by Anameofmyveryown (talk). Self nom at 23:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the Greenbird holds the record for the fastest speed attained in a wind-powered land vehicle?

5x expanded by Tempodivalse (talk). Self nom at 22:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the comic-book mini-series '76 draws heavily on 1970s 'street' culture?


Created by Arcayne. Self nom at 18:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Thanks for the effort, Matisse. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 15:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sourced in the first paragraph. "At said event, the championship was represented by a trophy, which was destroyed by The American Dragon and Michael Modest after they were defeated by The Prophecy (Christopher Daniels and Donovan Morgan) to become the inaugural champions." A ref is at the end of it to a review of said event that was released on DVD. Making it a reliable source since the guy is just stating mainly his opinions on the match and some main points.--WillC 23:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The footnote format confuses me as well. Not use to using them. But they helped my so far. Got two FLs with that format. The footnotes really just tell common sense stuff. Like what event was released on DVD and which one was a PPV. Simple stuff.--WillC 23:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mmh. Article's fine to go, but hook needs rewording, I think - we should probably spell out Women's Royal Air Force. Perhaps something about the dismissal, instead? Shimgray | talk | 15:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 13:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Argentina is the fifth leading producer of wine in the world?
  • ALT1:... that in the 1970s, the average Argentine consumed nearly 24 gallons (equal to 120 standard 750ml bottles) of Argentine wine a year?
  • ALT2:... that Argentina has some of the highest elevated vineyards in the world, including one planted at 9,900 ft above sea level?
  • Comment: Hook 1-Johnson Atlas ref (FN#1) in lead, Hook2-Oxford ref (FN#6) in Economic troubles and growth of export industry, Hook3-Stevenson ref (FN#8) in Northwestern regions sub section of Wine region section.

5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 11:45, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that during their long, discreet affair, Arthur Sullivan recorded the number of his intimate acts at each meeting with socialite Fanny Ronalds (pictured) in his diary using a number in parentheses?

Created by Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Ottava Rima (talk). Self nom at 04:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by NuclearWarfare (talk). Self nom at 03:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Tempodivalse (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 14

  • ...that in an attempt to create an authentic fantasy setting, the costumes in the Kröd Mändoon pilot episode "Wench Trouble" were built with no zippers or velcro, and the weapons were made by a professional armorer specializing in ancient weapon replicas?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Created by TJRC (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Happyme22 (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 04:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by I'm Spartacus! (talk). Self nom at 03:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Let's make this a threefer:
... that because of Warren Ost's ministry A Christian Ministry in the National Parks Yellowstone's annual Christmas in July celebration was moved to Christmas in August?---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this is a little more accurate:
... that Yellowstone's annual Christmas in July celebration may have become Christmas in August because of Warren Ost's ministry A Christian Ministry in the National Parks?---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that despite a career lasting only four years, HMS Jason managed to capture (one engagement pictured) at least six French warships, including two that went on to become Royal Navy vessels?

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length & date verified (article barely created on the 14th, moved here). All the hook facts are referenced to book source, accepted on good faith. This article looks familiar... I think I marked it as patrolled a couple of hours ago. ;) JamieS93 01:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Belasd (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Ordbogen.com headquarters in Odense.

  • ... that Ordbogen.com, the most popular online dictionary in Denmark, was relaunched after a predecessor was taken offline for over a year due to a lack of funding?

Created by Mike Halterman (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The news article the hook is sourced from is in Danish. I would be more than happy to quote the specific passage and translate it here. Mike H. Fierce! 00:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and date verified. Could you make sure the following sentence has a reference after it, as I read the source at the end of the paragraph and it did not seem to have all the information: "Originally funded by the Danish Ministry of Culture, the website was shut down in August 2005 due to a lack of funds."? This is per D1. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the same source that talks about the reopening. I'll just cite it twice. Mike H. Fierce! 01:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That source says: Med mere end 110.000 forskellige opslagsord er netordbogen den største af sin slags i Danmark. Og også en af de mest populære. Med ca. 2 mio. årlige opslag lå ordbogen før lukningen på førstepladsen på TDC's daglige hitliste over mest brugte internetordbøger i Danmark. Den populære online-ordbog Den Danske Netordbog lukkede i august 2005 på grund af manglende bevillinger fra Kulturministeriet. I løbet af fem uger indsendte næsten 400 brugere støtteerklæringer.
  • With more than 110,000 entries, the online dictionary is the largest of its kind in Denmark. It was also one of the most popular, before its closure two million people per year used the dictionary, and it ranked in first place on TDC's list of the most popular online dictionaries in Denmark. The popular online dictionary Den Danske Netordbog closed in August 2005 due to lack of funds from the Ministry of Culture. The last sentence I can't read well but I think it says in the next five weeks, 400 users complained and sent support. Or something like that. Mike H. Fierce! 01:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cruiser Amalfi
RMS Royal Edward

Created by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 23:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elasmobranchii is the group of cartilaginous fishes that contains sharks and rays. I used "cartilaginous fish" instead of "elasmobranch" in the hook because it's a better-known term and it's still correct. -- Yzx (talk) 01:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The two are not equivalent, no, but using "cartilaginous fishes" is still accurate, as the other subclass (Holocephali) have never been bred in captivity. Nevertheless, I've no strenuous objections to using "elasmobranch" in the hook. Or "shark", which would also be accurate and might be more accessible. -- Yzx (talk) 03:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the name of basketball player Aulcie Perry has become a generic phrase for a tall person in Hebrew?

Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 23:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Considering the example given in that source ("Wow... look at that Aulcie Perry!") and the other source (a child had grown into a real Aulcie Perry), I thought "generic phrase" was a better description than "nickname". See also the Hebrew Wikipedia article ("The expression 'Aulcie Perry' has become synonymous with a tall person"). — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] (talk · contribs) 18:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Bedford (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Prashanthns (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 20:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 18:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Kare Kare (talk). Nominated by Circeus (talk) at 15:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 12:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Sceptre (talk). Self nom at 07:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate hooks (there's just so many!):
Two notes: it isn't DYK ready yet, but should be by the time the deadline lapses on Thursday evening. I'm posting it here ready in case I forget; and I didn't write the current plot section, but I wrote most of the rest. Sceptre (talk) 07:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 07:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the Qapqal News in Xibe script

  • ... that although there are hardly any native Manchu speakers left, enough people still speak the Xibe language (mutually intelligible with Manchu) to justify the publication of a Xibe newspaper (name pictured)?

Created by CaliforniaAliBaba (talk). Nominated by Vmenkov (talk) at 05:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Added image just now (not the logo, just the name of the newspaper typeset in a free-software font). Note also that it's not a building, landscape, or disembodied head =) cab (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Great article, but the hook fact isn't really mentioned in the article (the article says nothing about how many Manchu speakers there are). I would suggest
I copied a (referenced) sentence on the disappearance of Manchu native speakers from the Manchu language article to Qapqal News. The original author is free to delete it, if he feels it does not belong; but I think it provides an interesting contrast between the fates of the Manchu language (which was so important in the past, but now practically dead), and its very "minor" Xibe offshot, still used for weekly news by its native speakers. Vmenkov (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: New article, was formerly a redirect. The sources may not all be online (although I'm trying to add dois to as many as I can), but if you want to check I can e-mail pdfs.

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that there were over 1400 middle schools in England in 1983, compared to fewer than 300 today?

5x expanded by Tafkam (talk). Self nom at 02:24, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Ahodges7 (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Watcher (talk). Self nom at 01:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 00:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that German writer Bernhard Fisch, while being an East German student in 1970s Moscow, flew to Kaliningrad in an attempt to visit his former East Prussian home, and got arrested there?

Created by Matthead (talk). Self nom at 02:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Omarcheeseboro (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 13

  • ... that the 1929 eruption of the Gareloi Volcano created a fissure running down the mountain's southern summit?

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 23:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Nikki311 (talk). Self nom at 19:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Tills (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kronos Quartet, Requiem for Adam

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 22:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by RoryReloaded (talk). Nominated by sasata (talk) at 22:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by ekem (talk). Self nom at 22:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the Qedarites, a prominent Arab tribal confederation between the 8th and 4th centuries BC, were named for Ishmael's second son Qedar?

Created by Tiamut (talk). Self nom at 15:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: This hook can be verified through this online source; it's in the 5th paragraph from the bottom of the page.

5x expanded by Scartol (talk). Self nom at 12:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Honduran romance novel Blanca Olmedo is a rare early female criticism of the establishment and corruption in Honduras?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Agricola Tower at Chester Castle

  • Comment: (moved from user space)

Created by Nev1 (talk). Self nom at 00:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Pepsi2786 (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by I'm Spartacus! (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fixed the wording.---I'm Spartacus! NO! I'm Spartacus! 15:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the National Bible Bee offers the largest prize of any academic competition of its kind?

Created by Jchthys (talk). Self nom at 22:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Howard A. Chinn in 1945

  • ... that Howard A. Chinn, while working as chief audio engineer at CBS in 1943, wrote a classified report about enemy radar?

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 19:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Powhatan Henry Clarke wearing his Medal of Honor

Created by Rlevse (talk), 5x expanded by AdjustShift (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles X Gustav of Sweden

5x expanded by Henrik (talk). Self nom at 19:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 16:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that even though only one complete fossil of the Archidermapteron martynovi was ever found, scientists have been able to use it to figure out the relative age of other species of earwig?

5x expanded by The Earwig (talk). Self nom at 15:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by CarpetCrawler (talk). Self nom at 12:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, how about now? :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 18:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Yep, good now :) Length, history good. Reference good for ALT, AGF on subscriber references for the original hook. Shubinator (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 11:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 09:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 05:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Allstarecho (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Belissarius (talk). Self nom at 04:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • ... that in 1969 Bob Dylan was familiar with folk singer Dillard Chandler, despite the fact that Chandler's album Old Love Songs & Ballads had sold only fifty copies at the time?

Created by Omarcheeseboro (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 12

Created by Wslack (talk). Nominated by ViperSnake151 (talk) at 14:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • "gotten" is a US usage and should probably not be used in relation to British subject matter. How about: "has received worldwide attention" - actually now that I think about it "received" sounds better in US and Brit English. – ukexpat (talk) 21:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by decltype (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by BusterD (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 08:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 00:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Dravecky (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 00:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Johanne Dybwad´s acting career spanned sixty years, from 1887 to 1947?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 14:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 08:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Amore Mio (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An example image

Created by Allstarecho (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Example of Chinese opera actor.

Other usable Chinese opera pics from Commons:
Example of Chinese opera actor., Example of Chinese opera actor., Example of Chinese opera actor., Example of Chinese opera actor., Example of Chinese opera actor..
5x expanded by The Little Blue Frog (talk). Self nom at 23:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Lee Howze as a West Point Cadet

Created by Rlevse (talk). Self nom at 23:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 22:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Germany's lowest recorded temperature of −45.9°C (−50.6°F) was recorded at the Funtensee?

5x expanded by Agathoclea (talk). Self nom at 21:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Added a little bit more. Hope that makes the grade. I was hoping to find a WP:RS source for the additional (not mentioned in the article) fact that it had negative temperature at the height of the 2006 heatwave but could not trace that (yet). 08:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

5x expanded by Like I Care (talk). Self nom at 21:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 19:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Oceanh (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Nominated by Punkmorten (talk) at 16:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Docku (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Benlisquare (talk). Self nom at 14:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If we go with hook #2, better to have "...sentence for all..." Nyttend (talk) 12:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Leifern (talk). Self nom at 14:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Per Caplex [1], "sendemann" refers to either a "minister" or "ambassador," i.e., a diplomatic representative with ministerial rank. It should be clear from the article that Ditleff had no dealings with Himmler, but that Bernadotte most certainly did. I'll leave it to the editors of the Bernadotte article to substantiate that point, if it's necessary. In any event, I added one of many possible sources for the Himmler point. --Leifern (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by saberwyn (talk). Self nom at 10:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Jmorrison230582 (talk). Self nom at 09:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that fossils of 65 MA found in Narmada Valley in India assembled by paleontologists from USA and India announced in 2003, the discovery of the new species of dinosaur called Rajasaurus?
  • Comment: Expanded by more than five times

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I fully agree with the above alternate Hook and I also request that User:Firsfron may also be included as a contributor to the article since he has very auhtoritatively and effectively edited the article.--Nvvchar (talk) 08:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and history good. The ALT is an improvement, but is longer than necessary. I would suggest something like this:
  • ALT2 ... that fossils of the dinosaur Rajasaurus, were discovered in the 1980s but not identified as a new genus until 2003?
  • That being said, there are spots where the wording in the article is uncomfortably close to the wording in the source. whose fossilised bones were first discovered in the Narmada River valley of Gujarat, India, by Suresh Srivastava of the Geological Survey of India (GSI) during 1982–1984 and from the Lameta Formation (Cretaceous, Maastrichtian) near Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh, in Central India, for example, are both almost word-for-word from this source. I think we need to check the wording more carefully before we can pass this. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the verification of the length and history. I have addressed your concerns on the spots referred above and I have made changes in the sentences of the relevant sections. I hope it is OK now. The Alt Hook suggested by you is fine with me.Thanks--Nvvchar (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 08:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by WWGB (talk). Self nom at 08:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 05:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by CarpetCrawler (talk). Self nom at 05:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Nihil novi (talk). Self nom at 02:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 01:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Front view of the building

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I told Mattisse, who removed the stub tag: I added the stub tag early in the writing process and forgot to remove it after I'd expanded the text significantly. Nyttend (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: I forgot to include my picture in the nomination. Nyttend (talk) 03:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by NVO (talk). Nominated by Alex Bakharev (talk) at 04:18, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest "... that in 1934, the Soviet high-altitude balloon Osoaviakhim-1 set a flight altitude record during its maiden flight but crashed during the descent?" --Russavia Dialogue 00:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 11

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 23:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by TJRC (talk). Self nom at 22:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by thegreatdr (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: An image of a statue of the king is available if needed here. Or there are images of the temple and Buddha statues at commons:category:Dambulla.

Created by Chamal_N (talk). Self nom at 03:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Chubbles, The Squicks (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 00:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Opus33 (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 00:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that, due to a mental illness, Yannoulis Chalepas, a Greek sculptor, remained in complete creative inactivity for almost fifteen years (1888–1902), and he did not fully return to his art until 1918?

Created by Lapost (talk). Nominated by Yannismarou (talk) at 00:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please reword the hook, it doesn't seem to check out with footnote 1. As I interpret the source, Chapelas didn't stop working altogether in 1878, but in 1888, when he was admitted to the Mental Hospital of Corfu. I think he did some art from 1902 until his mother's death (1916), but she was disapproving of this and was destroying his works. Consider removing "prominent" because it's a bit of a peacock term. Otherwise length and date check out. TodorBozhinov 20:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by kelapstick (talk), Drmies (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 16:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, mooses are not known for their sense of humor--especially not Canadian mooses. ;) I can't speak for Kelapstick, the instigator of all this moosery, but any hook is really fine with me, given that "connected learning" is not yet a wikified concept... Drmies (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the record, I think the plural should be "meese," preferably spelled "mies." That would be ludicrous, to me anyway. And then let em get doctorates, and become Drmies! Drmies (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I almost met a moose with my car once, it was not much fun, and he didn't have a sense of humour when I tried to drive around him...I do like the "Moose A. Moose is a Moose", hook, could potentially contain the least number of different words in DYK history (4 outside the stock entry).--kelapstick (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 18:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

West Pier, Brighton

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Checks out, offline reference for the fires part accepted in good faith. Great work, consider WP:FLC and do notify me so I can support :) TodorBozhinov 20:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 09:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I'd appreciate it if someone can help with the wording of the hook, I think it can be done better :)

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 09:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the murder of Rie Isogai was the first crime in recent years in Japan for which multiple convicts were sentenced to death?

Created by umebo (talk). Nominated by Fg2 (talk) at 09:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you. I propose "crime" be replaced with "single slaying" or a similar word that means "murder case in which only one person was killed", because Japanese courts often hand down death sentences to multiple convicts who killed more than one person (e.g. Aum Shinrikyo members who committed a mass murder). What's rare here is that multiple convicts who killed one person are sentenced to death, as The Japan Times say.[3]--Umebo (talk) 08:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Whitaker

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 06:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook is not cited. Wizardman 13:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe it is cited, by the Alan Sepinwall/Star-Ledger source. There was a citation tag, but I just moved it to the very end of that sentce to avoid confusion. Let me know if that's sufficient? (The NBC.com The Office site has it on right now too, but since that main page will change in a week or two, I didn't want to site it. But I suppose I could...) — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 16:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that a focus group report heavily critical of the "Pilot" episode of the NBC show Parks and Recreation was leaked to the media one month before the show aired?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 06:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Paolo Giovio bribed illustrious men of his day to acquire portraits for the collection now known as the Giovio Series (example portrait pictured)?

Created by Kafka Liz (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Zanimum (talk). Self nom at 20:17, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sela Ward

  • ... that the House character Stacy Warner (portrayer Sela Ward pictured) was originally set to appear in only two episodes of the show, but hired for seven more due to Ward's chemistry with the show's lead actor Hugh Laurie?
  • Comment: ALT1:... that actress Sela Ward (pictured) was not initially interested on playing Stacy Warner on FOX's House, but changed her mind after watching tapes of the show?

Created/expanded by Music2611 (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Gaylord

  • ... that American race car driver Scott Gaylord (pictured) asked his future wife out for their first date while competing against her in a race?

Created by Royalbroil (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by OSX (talk). Self nom at 09:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not quite a 5x expansion. December 29 version is 1598 characters. 1598 x 5 = 7980 (compared to current size of 7613. Also, I think your footnotes quote too much copyrighted material e.g. from Bebbington (1998). —Mattisse (Talk) 22:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did not specify the 5x expansion, the template added it automatically, although my recent addition should just about make it 5x. As for the quotations, this is the only "decent" information available, and the book is well out of print and hard to come by. Having the original quotes are only there to help out user's wanting to make changes without the original book on hand. It also proves that I have omitted all OR, as the original is quoted. OSX (talkcontributions) 10:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But the book is still under copyright, is it not? (Please see Wikipedia:Non-free content and Fair use.) —Mattisse (Talk) 14:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well what is the purpose of having the "quote" field if quoting content is a copyright violation? Nothing has been plagiarized, everything has been attributed back to its original source and all original content is clearly marked by quotation. If you want, you can contact the author (User:Terrybebb) at his talk page. 06:59, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Jaespinoza (talk). Self nom at 05:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by NuclearWarfare (talk), Yohhans (talk). Nominated by NuclearWarfare (talk) at 01:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Suez Canal in 2001, with Lake Manzala near the northern outlet partially drained and converted to farmland

  • ... that Lake Manzala (pictured) had to be expanded to allow the building of the Suez Canal, as it was previously less than 5 feet (1.5 m) deep?

5x expanded by Synergy (talk), Durova (talk). Nominated by NuclearWarfare (talk) at 01:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why not use that sentence then? The hook should be a fact from the article, per DYK Rules. The reader should not be expected to have to translate numbers/units, just as they shouldn't be expected to perform mathmatical functions to figure out the hook. You should use {{convert}} anyway. We are trying to be nice to readers. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on April 10

  • ... that Edvard Beyer edited the Scandinavian Journal of Literary Research Edda for eleven years, from 1962 to 1972?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 20:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Santisima Church

  • ... that La Santisima Church has sunk at least almost 3 metres (9.8 ft) into the soft Mexico City soil since it was built in the 1780s (pictured)?

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shell of Sphincterochila boissieri

Created by Snek01 (talk). Self nom at 22:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cover of the first edition of Die Anarchisten

Created by Skomorokh (talk). Self nom at 02:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A marine side-lever engine built by the Allaire Iron Works

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 06:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

United States Mail Steamship Baltic

  • ... that after the Collins Line steamer Baltic (pictured) won the coveted Blue Riband in 1851, no American ship would regain the honor for a century?
  • Comment: Hook fact is the Braynard cite, cite 12 IIRC.

Created/expanded by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Paxse (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Ratel (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 22:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Meganmccarty (talk). Nominated by Another Believer (talk) at 21:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Looper5920 (talk). Nominated by ERcheck (talk) at 14:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Docku (talk). Self nom at 13:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that thousands of Olive Ridley turtles are found dead at the mouth of the Devi river every year? Shubinator (talk) 16:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
concur. --Docku: What's up? 16:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Cornucopia (talk). Self nom at 09:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:*Alt ... that the members of R&B girl group Electrik Red appeared together in Ciara's music video for "Like a Boy" before they formed the group? (avoids possibility of being misleading) —Mattisse (Talk) 23:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While the alternative hook is much more interesting, I don't know if it's true. This ref says they "came together" in 2005. In this ref they say the began working "with different producers for about six" before being signed in 2008. Their official site says: "Once they decided to form a group, the girls decided on the name Electrik Red which they felt exuded their collective sensuality... In 2005, the foursome recorded a demo...", which implies they decided on the name before recording the demo in 2005. I think the VIBE ref is trying to say that they individually worked with Ciara in the past, and then appeared together (in 2007) in her "Like a Boy" video, after they had formed the group. Otherwise, I can't make much sense of this information; it's too muddled up! :) Corn.u.co.piaDisc.us.sion 04:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was going by the source you give in the article for the hook.[5] All four girls performed as dancers and models alongside artists like Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, and Ciara—they appeared in her 2007 “Like a Boy” video together—before forming Electrik Red. This statement makes it sound like they performed together, as they were dancers and models, but not formally as a group named Electrik Red at this point. Perhaps all this goes to the unreliability of the sources.Or perhaps the problem is the source that you use for the hook, and that you need to discard it. —Mattisse (Talk) 14:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by ResMar 23:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC). Nominated by Resident Mario (talk) at 23:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note:Black Tusk got around to deredlinking all of the Emporer seamounts, and then I expanded it signifigantly; he got there before I did, really, earlier today. ResUser_talk:Resident_Mario|Mar]] 23:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and date verified. However, source for hook in infobox says 15-20 million years ago. so it does not support your figure. Also, it would be much better if the hook were in the article, as many people do not read the infoboxes. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? The age is confirmed. ResMar 18:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is in the lead. I'm still not sure waht you mean by the age, though. It's said such in refs 3, 5, here and here. ResMar 19:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Augustus Cox in 1840

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 23:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the Column Stinkhorn fungus (pictured) starts out its development resembling an egg?

Created by sasata (talk). Self nom at 22:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmmm I guess there's many million different "eggs" it could resemble... I mean the classical chicken egg, but don't want to say so explicitly in the hook (as it's not in the source)... feel free to tweak if you feel it's necessary (maybe just "egg" in quotes?) Sasata (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and date verified. Source says something vaguely about an egg, but none of the pictures look egg-like. Could you come up with a different hook?
 ::ALT1: ... that the spores of the Column Stinkhorn fungus (pictured) are in the form of a malodorous gleba smeared on the inside of several column-like appendages? Sasata (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the spores of the Column Stinkhorn fungus (pictured) are formed as a bad smelling gleba smeared on the inside of several column-like appendages? (reduce the long word component) —Mattisse (Talk) 00:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Richmond Bridge, London

5x expanded by iridescent (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be damned. Imperator, please check the references on Michael Jackson. — R2 22:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or on about 90% of FAs, since Harvard referencing is the style that's strongly encouraged… – iridescent 22:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Sorry for the confusion, as I personally don't use the Harvard referncing style; rather, I simply use the standard given on WP:REF, such as

Ritter, R. (2002). The Oxford Style Manual. Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-860564-1.

given on WP:Ref itself. As I'm not familiar on Harvard referencing style, I'll leave it up to someone else to review this. Cheers. I'mperator 23:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a big (larger than A4) size book, with very small type. As it's the definitive authority on London's bridge architecture, as well as the most recently published, where possible I've used Matthews as the source, even though it means duplicating references; everything he says could be cited elsewhere but I don't want to bring in other sources just for the sake of it. Besides, he's far more likely to be available in libraries and shops, for anyone wanting to check references or find out more for themselves. – iridescent 23:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Genius101 (talk). Self nom at 15:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 12:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. However, the hook in the article is not referenced, and none of the references I looked at seemed to say exactly that, although the sources are in Norwegian. Could you add a reference? —Mattisse (Talk) 17:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by MPJ-DK (talk). Self nom at 11:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that the ROH World Championship has yet to be won more than once by a previous title holder during its seven years of existence?

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 09:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Celtus (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by kelapstick (talk), Bongomatic (talk). Self nom at 19:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that one critic wrote that Jivin' in Be-Bop includes "one of the worst ballets ever put on film"?

5x expanded by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 05:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 00:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Le Deluge (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 9

5x expanded by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date and hook verified. The length is 1538 characters, which passes, but is so barely over the limit that I don't know if I'm comfortable given the backlog with it. I'll leave it to the discretion of another whether we can use it. Wizardman 15:23, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just to add, the only questionable site in that article is Smart Mark Video. The rest are reliable and used in GAs, FAs, FLs, etc. Though Smart Mark could be considered okay since it is only telling the layout of the DVD. From a member of WP:PW, I see nothing wrong with the sources that have been agreed upon as reliable.--WillC 05:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added more information, bringing the total up to 2315 charcters. While some of the information about the tournament does come from the promotion itself, much of it is sourced to reliable third-party sources. As for the video link, they are the authorized distributor of the video footage. I included the format of the video release in the article, as has been encouraged repeatedly in Featured Article reviews. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Williamborg (talk). Self nom at 04:06, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Page numbers added for 2 of the 4 references. The other 2 references are linked to web articles which deal only with Jens Tillufssøn Bjelke - the articles are not formatted by pages - hence entire article is referenced. Please let me know if this does not meet the need. Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 05:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Wtiffany (talk). Nominated by Sebastian scha. (talk) at 09:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But this source cite a book naming him a "major architect", it's not enough? Maybe change the hook to "[...] Freedom rider and director of the [...]"? which is also based on the times article above. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Scorpion0422 (talk). Self nom at 22:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Simply south (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 1

Alt 2

Simply south (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYK#DYK rules, the hook needs to have an inline citation immediately after it. I was going to check ALT1, but I'm not sure which source to check. Awadewit (talk) 04:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Block quote

I've now added which facts are from where, with especially the first paragraph in the history more comprehensively referenced. The naming both appears on the Subbrit page and in Hertfordshire's Lost Railways. The railway ticket is from Subbrit only. Alt 2 was mainly HLW. Simply south (talk) 09:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually before this is put on i have some photos of the route near Wareside, if not very interesting. One shows the route in a cutting, another shows the route below a bridge and another crossing the River Ash. Should i upload any of these? Simply south (talk) 19:49, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Source, length, and history verified. I don't think there is a need to upload any photos at this point. Awadewit (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Irdicent (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can I change it to ... ALT 1... that the 2002 Pacific hurricane season ties for the most category 5 hurricanes in the same season with the 1994 season?

--Yue of the North 13:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That reference is rather hard to read but it does the job of verifying the Hook. Also Irmela yes you can change your hook to that as otherwise i would point out a problem with the other one. However i do have an alternative suggestion which you might wish to use. Jason Rees (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 2; ... that the 2002 Pacific hurricane season and the 1994 Pacific hurricane season are currently tied for the number of Category 5 hurricanes in the same season with three each?

Shouldn't the hook mention that it's a timeline? The article for the season has existed for several years. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Spidern (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is 1567 characters long, barely over the 1500-character minimum. As Wizardman stated in another nom above, we are backlogged and have many noms waiting. We can therefore afford to be picky. If the article isn't expanded, I would suggest we let this one go. Awadewit (talk) 04:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 17:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Moved from userspace

Created by sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New article by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of the sources used in this article are unreliable. This user has been given advice about improving sources many times and continues to nominate articles based on IMDB and the like. Awadewit (talk) 04:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 12:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length, history, and hook verified. However, the article is severely unbalanced. It is almost entirely a history of Nailsea Court. It does not really the describe the building. D6 seems to apply here. Awadewit (talk) 04:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Response - I have added information about the architecture, decoration and, in particular, the stained glass - I hope this makes the article more rounded?— Rod talk 08:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 09:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 08:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that goat meat (pictured) is becoming a more common food in North America, especially in upscale restaurants?
  • ALT1:... that goat meat (pictured) is often called chevon, which is derived from French?

Created by Steven Walling (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment First hook seems better than second; better to have the hook about the thing itself than about its name. Nyttend (talk) 12:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2:... that goat meat (pictured) is often called chevon (from French chèvre) in the U.S., as market research suggests that makes it more acceptable to consumers? - (explains why the word is used - sourced from article) —Mattisse (Talk) 15:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Nice piece and verifiable - go with the first quote ;) --Thelostlibertine (talk) 00:50, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Bleurggh, I'm sorry, IMO this is the worst sort of Wiki-parochialism. Goat meat is close to a national icon in some en.wiki countries - think of curried goat in Jamaica for instance - and yet the "highlight" of the article is the fact that middle-class Americans are finding it easier to purchase in their delicatessens, and have borrowed a French word to salve their consciences? Get some Jamaicans on the case, they'll be able to find some decent hooks. Or people might want to {{globalise}} themselves - for instance, unadulterated goat meat has made enough of an impact on British culture that a BBC comedy show was named the Curried Goat Show.Le Deluge (talk) 04:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hooks are supposed to be about new and unusual information, not (boring) cultural norms. Chinese is mostly spoken in China, but if there was a British or American movement to start learning it in droves, that'd be a great hook. It's interesting that Americans are eating goat now, when it used to be reviled, just like it'd be interesting if a lot of Jamaicans starting eating unusual, once-taboo food. Feel free to step up and suggest an alternate hook if you like though, of course. Steven Walling (talk) 02:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Hook source in Norwegian language accepted in good faith. I added a reference, but it would be better if there were more, rather than relying so much on one source. —Mattisse (Talk) 16:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Firsfron (talk). Self nom at 05:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on April 8

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 23:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that editor Ola Thommessen (caricatured) left the newspaper Verdens Gang in 1910, founding Tidens Tegn, which bought Verdens Gang only thirteen years later?

Created by Oceanh (talk), Punkmorten (talk). Nominated by Punkmorten (talk) at 16:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by 293.xx.xxx.xx (talk). Self nom at 07:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1. Its in the news 2. "few"? 3. See template above 4. Welcome Victuallers (talk) 09:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Given that this may well be the subject of a criminal prosecution, I can't see that this can possibly being appropriate for a DYK? Le Deluge (talk) 04:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Juliancolton (talk). Self nom at 03:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by NocturneNoir (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New article by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

3 of the 5 footnotes come from unreliable sources. As this user continues to submit articles with the same unreliable sources in them, I suggest we reject this nom. Awadewit (talk) 06:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 22:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Location map start Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map marker Template:Location map end

Created by Ealdgyth (talk), User:Deacon of Pndapetzim and Victuallers (talk) at 21:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson

5x expanded by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 13:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

:* This is not a 5x expansion. On March 27, it was 1390 characters. (Or on March 3, it was 1404 characters.) Today it is 15282 characters. 5 x 1309 = 21950 characters. Since 15282 is less than the required 5x minimum of 21950, article is too short to qualify. —Mattisse (Talk) 16:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created/expanded by MBisanz (talk). Self nom at 05:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

September 1917 cover of Metropolitan Magazine, with "An Editorial Message by Theodore Roosevelt" on the right

  • Comment: Ref, second page, left column, in the middle of "Evaded Physician's Enquiries". Feel free to reword the hook.

Created/expanded by Shubinator (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Mabalu (talk). Self nom at 01:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please note that this entry was moved over from my workspace to the main page today, I have been working on it for about 8 days. It still needs some tweaking and stuff, but I couldn't resist the cough medicine suggestion... There are a lot of other possible alt hooks... Mabalu (talk) 01:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt-hook1 ... that high-end milliner Stephen Jones's first hat was trimmed with a plastic iris which had originally been a promotional item for a petrol station?
  • Alt-hook2 ... that after milliner Stephen Jones had his head shaved by drunk friends one New Year's Eve, he discovered he was a perfect woman's stock size, and could become his own fit model?
  • ... that the Swaminarayan temple in Cardiff replaced a synagogue when it first opened in 1982 and then an old Irish club when it moved in 1993?

Created by AroundTheGlobe (talk). Self nom at 10:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 7

Created by Guettarda (talk). Self nom at 03:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The source says July to September.
  • Actually the text says that from July to September it's R. oleracea

The Red-bellied macaws and Orange-winged parrots fed mainly on Roystonea palm fruit from July to September, on both palms October to December and mainly on Mauritia in January

but Figure 2 shows that Roystonea fruit still account for ~60% of the feeding visits through November (as opposed to 80-100% between July and September). Guettarda (talk) 13:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that the Orange-winged Amazon and Red-bellied Macaw mostly eat fruit from the royal palm Roystonea oleracea from July to September? Shubinator (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't "mostly eat" flow than "eat mostly"? Guettarda (talk) 13:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Yeah, the figure does show that. I've tweaked the hook as suggested. Length, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 01:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1:... that in 2008, Mariya Takeuchi became the first artist over 50 to ever have a number-one album in Japan for three consecutive weeks?
  • Comment: Was a list with no prose; intro section (2000 chars) added starting from April 7. Hook source is in Japanese.

Created/expanded by Moon-sunrise (talk). Nominated by Rjanag (talk) at 19:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Sabine's Sunbird (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Largely sourced to IMDB. This user has repeatedly been asked to improve his sourcing in the past - to no avail, apparently. Awadewit (talk) 06:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that when Eisenhower told Nixon that he was unsure if Nixon would stay on the ticket if the Checkers speech succeeded, Nixon replied that there are times “when you've either got to shit or get off the pot”?

5x expanded by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Book sources for hook accepted on good faith. Would prefer a hook that explained why the speech is named after Checkers, rather than a rather sensational quotation that does not explain anything about the situation to someone not already familiar with the story. Perhaps a hook that explains why the speech is famous/notorious. I read through the article, but I don't see a clear explanation why "Checkers" was selected for the name of the speech or why the speech had such impact, or why the speech has a place in history today. —Mattisse (Talk) 17:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the article is still a work in progress, Mattisse, and I haven't yet finished the end. I think that a good majority of people already know, to some extent or other, what the Checkers speech was, and those who will not, the way to get em to know is to draw them in with a hook such as I proposed. No one will be upset or surprised by Nixon using an expletive not deleted, of course, it is perfectly in character. Also, in two hundred characters, it would be kinda hard to explain what it is and why it is important (arguably the first use of television to appeal directly to the voter, which is not yet in the article but will be). I'm inclined to go with the existing hook, but I'm open to suggestions. I already used Chotiner ripping up the resignation telegram for the hook about him.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incidentally, most of your questions are now covered in the article. It is all done but the media reaction section, which I will do tomorrow, probably. Then I will start to polish it, read it over and over obsessively, start gathering images ... you know how I work, Mattisse.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The majority of en.wiki users are not in North America, and few of them will have any clue what the Checkers speech is about - hell, many North Americans under the age of 60 probably don't know it either. Think global people, think global.... Le Deluge (talk) 05:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can't both explain what the Checkers speech was, and give some interesting fact about it, in 200 characters. Notably, when I did the hook for Murray Chotiner, which mentioned the speech, I did not explain what it was, and no one seemed to have a problem with that. But how about:

ALT1... that over 4,000,000 communications were sent by the public after the 1952 Checkers speech, supporting Richard Nixon by 75 to 1?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2... that Nixon's Checkers speech about political donations took its nickname from a dog "donated" by his children?
Tells you a bit about the subject, gives a slightly whimsical bit of trivia that isn't just a list of numbers - and is 109 characters so gives you room to expand a bit if you need it. Le Deluge (talk) 14:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite accurate though. How about:
ALT3 ... that while 60,000,000 people watched or listened to future U.S. President Richard Nixon save his political career with the Checkers speech, he delivered it to a completely empty theatre? I should add that I really prefer the original hook, I think the Wikipedia reader is being underestimated. Mind if I deliver a half hour speech to the Wikipedia community? I need a dog though ...--Wehwalt (talk) 19:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Continue to underestimate the Wikipedia community, please. I teach college students in the United States and have had the unfortunate experience of hearing the following questions: "What was the Cold War?" "When was the Civil War - the 1960s?" "What was the American Revolution all about?" None of these are atypical either. I think we should go with a version of Le Deluge's hook. Awadewit (talk) 06:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4... that US President Richard Nixon's Checkers speech about suspect political donations took its nickname from a dog he said he would not return to a supporter? Awadewit (talk) 06:54, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Chanakal (talk). Self nom at 03:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Original hook shortened by removing match result and retaining only the highlight.--Chanaka L (talk) 04:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Queenie (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 02:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:... that the flowers of the bamboo species Bambusa lako of Timor have yet to be scientifically observed?--Wehwalt (talk) 03:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Off line sources accepted on good faith. ALT1 hook verified, as the article describes a botanist observing the flower. On line scientific article verifies the need for scientific observation of flower, so presumed existence of flower is not unknown to science. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 6

Marshes of the Río Pilcomayo National Park

5x expanded by Óðinn (talk). Self nom at 11:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General view of Warsaw Old Town

5x expanded by Martim33 (talk). Self nom at 11:38, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Surely we can do better than this for such a historic city? An Old Town WHS is not particularly unique, surely there's something that can be conjured up from Chopin, or Curie, or get a reference for the Winnie-the-Pooh street. Focus in on the specifics, it's the quirky little things that catch people's attention, not the broad brushes. Le Deluge (talk) 05:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image has quite a few tags on it. The source should be clarified. If the image has been released into the public domain by the author, we need an OTRS from the author. Shubinator (talk) 03:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some references. Martim33 (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:28, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the connection between the two parts of the hook. What does Davis winning in 1963 have to do with the move to Atlantic City? These seem like two different hooks to me. Could this be rewritten? Perhaps both of these cannot be made to fit into one hook. Awadewit (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The 1963 Liberty Bowl is the connection. Davis' role had nothing to do with the move, but it's unclear why there must be a causal connection. Alansohn (talk) 16:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I don't understand your response. Awadewit (talk) 06:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 11:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Hook does not appear to be sourced according to DYK hook rules which state there should be a factual statement in the article that is the hook, with a reference at the end of the statement. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have added a ref tag after the hook. While it now meets the DYK rules, the referencing now violates the MoS and will confuse the reader, since the whole paragraph save the last sentence is from the same source. Arsenikk (talk) 07:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • How does the referencing violate MoS? I do not think any of the DYK Rules result in a violation of MoS. When a whole paragraph is from the same source, with only one reference at the end, often new editors will edit the paragraph, changing the material so that the one reference at the end is no longer accurate. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To follow that logic, wouldn't one have to place a citation after every single sentence? Furthermore, new editors may edit the article, but then again someone can fix their editing. Punkmorten (talk) 10:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Vmenkov (talk). Self nom at 06:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Is there a source saying that no one is sure what happened to the Duchers? There is no source given in the article for the statement that "The ethnic identification of the Duchers and even the meaning of their name (and whether it was also a self-name) remain controversial." Is that your conclusion after reading various views? Is there a reason not to accept the view you label "perhaps more common"? Also, this is weasel wording. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the constructive criticism. I've added a few more citations. How about this:
The above is supported by the in-line references to two modern authorities on the Tungusic peoples and/or the history of the region, one of which (B. Polevoi) identifies the Duchers with the Nanais, and the other (A. Barykin) with the Jurchens/Manchus. (Of course, in his paper Barykin also says that no-one but Polevoi thinks that the Duchers were the Nanais, but that's his opinion...) They also mention a paper by Bolotin specifically on the origin of the Duchers, but it's not online. Vmenkov (talk) 06:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • But the statement "The ethnic identification of the Duchers and even the meaning of their name (and whether it was also a self-name) remain controversial." remains unsourced in the article. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that was the introductory sentence of its section, and was followed by three (sourced) paragraphs which summarized the competing opinions. To comply with the DYK rules, I have now also added references - with actual quotes - directly to this sentence. Vmenkov (talk) 00:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 5

Notice Please see my suggestion at Template talk:Did you know/Queue/3.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see latest response.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Tang Dynasty official Linghu Chu was, after the sudden death of his superior Zheng Dan, threatened by soldiers with swords to draft a will for Zheng?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 06:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I continue to think that featuring articles on the main page constructed solely from such old sources is poor practice when both WP:V and WP:RS demand "Academic and peer-reviewed publications are highly valued and usually the most reliable sources in areas where they are available, such as history, medicine." However, as there is no consensus at this time for rejecting these articles, I would like to suggest that all of these hooks attribute the information. For example, for the first hook, we could say "according to the Book of Tang...". Note also that in the article, the word used is "report", while the hook says "will". Why the difference? Awadewit (talk) 00:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Awadewit that these article based on history written over 1000 years ago, and ignoring modern scholarship on the Tang Dynasty, are problematic and need to clearly indicate somehow that this information based on ancient sources. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to Wikipedia, New Book of Tang (1060), Book of Tang (945), and Zizhi Tongjian (1084). That is about 1000 years old. If Wikipedia's dates are incorrect, please fix them. Thanks. Awadewit (talk) 04:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did forget that the Book of Tang was a 10th century source. However, the last I checked, 2009 - 1060 = 949, and 2009 - 1084 = 925, unless my math is off. --Nlu (talk) 05:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK "about 1000 years old" - does that remove your suspicion? If this is the level of the discussion, I fear we will get nowhere. Do you have any support from other sources to bolster your position? —Mattisse (Talk) 13:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To bolster what position? That the asserted facts in the hooks are factual? I think the onus is for someone else to show that there is, at least, a factual dispute. Without any assertion of factual dispute, there is no greater reason to doubt the medieval sources more than any other sources. (The issue would be quite different if there is a factual dispute, but none has been demonstrated.) --Nlu (talk) 16:09, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The facts stated in the hook need support from modern sources. There could be a parallel article on Wikipedia, about the same person using a more modern version of the name, and we would never know. From the Tang Dynasty article and the many related articles, I realize there is a great deal of modern scholarship, including archeological findings, available. Have you consulted these? All you are doing is rephrasing the Book of Tang into a series of Wikipedia articles. Would that be enough for an editor to do for articles on stories from the Christian Bible? Or for an editor to write a series of articles on the history of Greece using ancient Greek writing alone? —Mattisse (Talk) 20:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with the other commentators, but I would like to go further. These articles are an offence both to the project and to the field of history. There is no need for any consensus, since they so clearly violate the most basic of principles: WP:NOR. It's really very simple: "Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims", that means you can say "according to the Book of Tang...", but you cannot use it as a source in itself. The idea that a thousand year old source (sorry, 925+) can be regarded as anything but a primary source, just shows a complete lack of understanding for historical method. Furthermore, the fact that there are no secondary sources here whatsoever, brings the whole article into doubt. I'll tag them with {{Primary sources}}, but really I question the justification for their very existence. Lampman (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well there is another discussion at WT:WIAFA but I would think that such sources are suspect due to the extreme passing of time. I know of a few famous historians who wrote their PhD thesis by interpreting the chronicles, if these were considered truly secondary I don't think that they would allow a PhD at an Ivy League to simply rehash them. Another thing is that although the writers were learned for their time, there is nowhere near the academic freedom or historiographical rigour that there is now. Eg, the chronicles commissioned by the Nguyen Dynasty were written by learned scholars of the time, but was highly critical of the Tay Son Dynasty, which the Nguyen deposed, and kept on referring to them as bandits and pirates etc, which is why it's better for trained scholars to weed out the fact from the exageration, rather than amateurs like us. Another thing is that basically all histories of the old days are written in a xenophobic tone, especially when dealing with wars against other countries. This type of stuff was common in all Viet dynasties' histories criticising their predecessors. YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 04:16, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However, such biases can be dealt with without throwing the entire history away -- as effectively, it is being proposed here (again, without formally opening a Wikipedia policy discussion). The histrionics and the epithets can be abandoned, and the political agenda can be dealt with, without simply deleting, for example, Trưng Sisters. --Nlu (talk) 04:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent) I came here in response to a posting on WT:CHINA. I agree that using only ancient sources can be risky. However, it is important to allow someone with the time and resources an opportunity to find modern sources. I just found one for the article under discussion here, that at least proves Linghu Chu's existence. I certainly wouldn't support deleting this type of artice en masse or anything. If you have concerns about any article, let me know, and I will try to find sources for it. (or you can do so yourself if you have access to a university's resources)--Danaman5 (talk) 23:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone. I think the heart of the matter here is whether or not China's Standard Twenty-Four Histories compiled in premodern times can be considered primary sources or secondary sources. Despite their age, they are in fact secondary sources. The definition of a primary source according to our very own Wiki is "a document, recording or other source of information (paper, picture,....etc) that was created at the time being studied, by an authoritative source, usually one with direct personal knowledge of the events being described. It serves as an original source of information about the topic." This definition simply does not describe the Book of Tang, or the other Standard Histories for that matter, which are more in line with Wiki's definition of a secondary source: "a document or recording that relates or discusses information originally presented." The Twenty-Four Histories are not memoirs. They are not diaries. They are not newspapers or pamphlets. They are not written talismans placed in tombs. They are not original photographs of events. They are not courier letters, travel logues, protest signs, or long-lost drafts of political speeches. They are in fact systematically-organized, peer-scrutinized, government-sponsored histories which utilize primary sources and sometimes other secondary sources. They were written by professional historians, albeit gentrymen writing for an original reading audience of other literate gentrymen. More often than not, they were written about a previous dynastic era, one that had just preceded the contemporaneous ruling house. This alone dispells any notion that they are primary sources. There are some problems with the Standard Histories. Sometimes information in them has been proven false due to modern research or archaeological finds. But the amount of claims proven false in modern times is marginal compared to the vast majority of events, people, places, and things described in the Standard Histories. Modern historians depend on the Standard Histories for much of what they know of premodern China. This fact is admitted as such by the renowned sinologist Denis C. Twitchett (The Writing of Official History Under the T'ang, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2002, ISBN 0521522935). If someone here wishes to make an argument that use of the Standard Histories somehow violates Wikipedia:Reliable sources, then I'm afraid that argument is going to have to be based on some other grounds than claims that they are primary sources and thus cannot be used. One could point out that The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire published in 1776 by Edward Gibbon may have some inaccuracies that modern scholarship has revealed, but does that make his source suddenly a primary one which we are unable to use or cite? No. Of course not. Edward Gibbon was no more an ancient Roman citizen than Song-era historian Sima Guang was a man of the Tang Dynasty. That's the end of my input. Good night.--Pericles of AthensTalk 03:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We can consider these sources as secondary sources, but that does not make them reliable secondary sources for a Wikipedia article. I've read Gibbon's Decline and Fall and enough about the birth of modern historiography to know that we should never use that book as a source in an article about the Romans precisely because its methods are so different from what we consider legitimate history now. We could, however, recount what Gibbon said and explain how visions of Roman history have changed over time. Note also that Twitchett writes at the beginning of his book "the machinery of state historiography was still in development and underwent considerable changes during the dynasty" (4). It is precisely because of these changing methods that we need to make readers aware of the differences between sources and provide a variety of points of view. However, articles that rely solely on sources from so long ago do not take into account the development of modern historiography. Awadewit (talk) 06:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I've said for the Nth time now: if the issue is that you believe that the sources are not reliable, open/reopen the discussion in the appropriate area. The discussion last time not only did not form a consensus that conformed with your view, but had a majority view that did not. (I know you dispute that; that is something that also should be resolved over there, not here.) Until there is a consensus that there should be a policy change, nothing in the current policy indicates that sources that I cited are not reliable. Indeed, what you are proposing is the introduction of a systemic bias, in my opinion. You've made your opinion plenty clear now. What is still missing is any indication that in a discussion in the right area (i.e., in a reopened discussion about WP:RS policies) that you'll get a consensus formed in conformance with your opinion.
I still find it utterly astounding that you are advocating, effectively, the throwing away of a large body of historical works just because, in your personal opinion (but not in the consensus opinion) that they do not conform with your view of how historical works should be written. (At least, that's your formulation of your view now; previously, it was "They're too old! Throw them away!") Certainly modern Chinese historians don't approach traditional Chinese histories that way. I think I can dare suggest that you have something to learn from their approach. I would also dare suggest that you are stepping into an area outside of your area of competence. I would certainly not dare to simply, based on my view, declare a body of English, or Russian, or Turkish, or Greek historical works to be useless just because they're old. I suggest that you read and study more about the same sources that you are critiquing, and at least read the text a bit yourself (if you know Chinese) before declaring them rubbish. (If you don't know Chinese, I know that at least the even much more ancient Records of the Grand Historian has an English translation. Read it sometime.) --Nlu (talk) 07:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion relates to the discussions ongoing here. Would someone care to copy this article/ hook discussion there too.... until the matter is resolved? I'm sure that we could take it for main page if the matter is solved in next few days --Victuallers (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Blix

This article uses only one source, essentially the episode guides from the station which airs the show. There are no independent sources. Awadewit (talk) 01:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Added references from three separate brand new sources. --candlewicke 19:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of this long article is a listing of the various episodes, referenced to a program guide. Of the few independent sources referenced, none of them seem to have to do with the hook. If I am missing something, please help me and point it out. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by sasata (talk). Self nom at 22:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jordy van Loon

  • ... that singer Jordy van Loon was offered record deals by six different companies after he gave an unplanned performance on Mooi! Weer de Leeuw while he was glued behind a piece of wallpaper?
  • Comment: moved from userspace.

Created by MacGyverMagic (talk). Self nom at 18:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note to administrators: This article's main content is 2327 bytes; more than enough for DYK. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 04:51, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone who is familiar with WP:BLP and articles about children should make the decision about this one. Awadewit (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BLP exists to avoid badly sourced contentious information and to stop personal information from being widely disseminated. The article contains no contentious information and I've purposely not included personal details that could put his person or privacy in danger. All the information I've used is widely published, or at least published by reliable sources and backed up by his own personal website (so there is no effort to hide any of the information). - Mgm|(talk) 08:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My worry was that we are featuring a potentially negative hook about a child on the main page: "In an episode of Paul de Leeuw's television show Mooi! Weer de Leeuw, broadcast on April 5, 2008, van Loon was in the audience with his teacher Mr. Rol. Unbeknownst to him, Mr. Rol had sent in a wish to the program. He wanted to literally execute the Dutch idiom "iemand achter het behang plakken" (commonly used to describe an action one would like to perform on an annoying individual) and paste Jordy behind a piece of wallpaper because he sang too often in class." Awadewit (talk) 21:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you had seen the original broadcast you would have known it was all in good humour. But that's also the reason why I didn't include that particular part in the hook. If this is a problem we can use an alternative hook about how the song raised a million euros for charity... - Mgm|(talk) 07:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note to administrators: This article's main content totals at 6443 bytes; more than enough for DYK. Mess around with the guy in shades all you like - don't mess around with the girl in gloves! (talk) 04:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As with the hook about Linghu Chu, I suggest we attribute this information to the Book of Tang. Awadewit (talk) 01:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, as there are many sources of modern scholarship on the Tang Dynasty that are not consulted for this article. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think you'll be able to find a modern source with sufficient coverage on Cheng Yi that doesn't simply relay the medieval information anyway. --Nlu (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mondern scholarship puts ancient information in context. Often archeological remains provide evidence that locations and time frames vary from the information given in ancient texts. Location names have changed over time, as have the names of individuals as more information comes to light. It is inaccurate to say that information from over 1000 years ago is accurate in any other way than to say it is an accurate rendering of the Book of Tang. Take the Christian Bible - modern research has greatly enhanced our historical understanding of the texts contained therein. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self nom at 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that this hook slightly misrepresents the situation. Both the article and the source make it clear that the Egyptians found the Communists a bigger threat than the Zionists, which is why they "sided with" the Zionists. This hook eliminates that key point. Awadewit (talk) 01:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There might be ways to rewrite the hook. However, if we are to be really exact the refs says that the police thought the communists as a bigger threat 'to public security', not just threats in general. --Soman (talk) 10:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thats ok, but it is confusing since it is not clarified that the League and the 'communists' are the same. My proposal is
  • Comment: Translated from Spanish article

Created by Madhava 1947 (talk). Self nom at 08:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I feel we must be careful with translated articles. Translated articles depend on a high level of competence in both the translated language and English to be accurate. Automatic translations are not accepted. Also, if the article is from another language Wikipedia, often the standards of other Wikipedias for referencing are much lower than en Wikipedia. —Mattisse (Talk) 13:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, 1496 characters. Minimum is 1500 characters. Note that this article is pretty stubby - the explanation of the main topic is very limited (it is even marked as a stub). Awadewit (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on April 4

Has gone to here as the hooks are well beyond time allowed. --Victuallers (talk) 11:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools').

Articles created/expanded for Orthodox Easter (April 19)

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 11:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alt ... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou was named 'Anastasios' ('Resurrection') by his parents as he was born on Easter Day? Jack1956 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If we were going to use the 2nd hook might we save this article for Orthodox Easter 2009 (April 19)? --Boston (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's. That's the only way it would become interesting enough ... I'm sure he's not the only Anastasios in the world who got that name from being born on Easter. Daniel Case (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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