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:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] Not an interesting hook in my opinion. And more importantly, it was only Acquin himself who claimed that he killed 60 red deer... that's not really reliable. - [[User:PM800|PM800]] ([[User talk:PM800|talk]]) 07:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 23

Joseph Tehawehron David

  • ... that Joseph Tehawehron David was a Mohawk artist who became known for his role as a warrior during the Oka crisis in 1990?

Created by JenniferDales (talk). Nominated by Shearonink (talk) at 13:39, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Clayton Anderson

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P. 9, paragraph 3 of The Conquest of Texas: Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land; the theme of the book is that the conquest of the Indians is an example of ethnic cleansing. Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expand lead, sort out references, especially the ISBNs, space after citations. Needs copyediting: From 1981-1991 -> From 1981 to 1991, "In 2010, Anderson is working on a forthcoming book", "scence", sentence beginning "Anderson stresses the Battle of the Little Big Horn", etc. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I took care of the spaces and formatted the refs. The main problem with the page is that there are no secondary sources. The main reference is Anderson's profile page at the University of Oklahoma. All the discussion about the books are quoted to the books themselves. Yoninah (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England

View of a church tower

Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm happy with ALT2 - I've added another ref (no 184) which makes this explicit. It was there in previous references but didn't as clearly support this fact.— Rod talk 15:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing problems with the article and hook contradicting the cited source. Source for the 62 churches, [1], is a web page containing links to 6 other pages. Hand counting the listed entries shows 6 listed churches in Bristol, 21 in Wiltshire, 18 in Somerset, 9 in Dorset, 10 in Devon, and 1 in Cornwall. Adding these up produces a total of 65, not the 62 claimed. --Allen3 talk 14:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have a source confirming these are duplicates or are we required to perform original research to confirm your claims? I have already gone above and beyond what you should expect by chasing down multiple links from the source that supposedly confirms that number of churches. Having to perform a search for potential duplicates and then confirming and removing any found from the count is too much to expect of a reader not intimately familiar with the material. --Allen3 talk 18:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't have a separate source saying "CCT has made an error" but if you look at The Bristol List you will see the three I have named, which you will also see on The Somerset List. I could add all six of the separate lists instead of the single regional list if that would help? I would just consider that reading the sources, rather than original research, but I don't think it is worth worrying about that much & will withdraw the nomination of you don't think it is appropriate.— Rod talk 18:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Alt2 is good to go, as it's an interesting hook fact and the explanation for the source discrepancy works for me. It's an incredibly well cited article - if only all our editors would produce such nice work. I've added the photo of the particular church to the hook. Schwede66 17:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Khedivate of Egypt

5x expanded by User:DCI2026 (talk page). Nominated by DCI2026 (talk page) at 18:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 24

Fort de Tancrémont

Created by Acroterion (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2011

Created by Joewelby2000 (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 18:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm forced to agree. DS (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

J. Milton Nance

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tobi Lark

  • ... that R&B singer Tobi Lark's most successful recording was issued under a different name, became very popular in Wigan, and has recently been compared to a Shakespeare sonnet?

Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Multi-article mixed martial arts hook

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request 24 hours from this time stamp to sort out the extra article for this hook. EdChem (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby

Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: All 6 articles in this hook have been worked on by both nominators in user space, and were moved to article space today. For ease of checking, this link from M-1 Global confirms the match ups and the championships each fighter holds, this link confirms that Grishin was replaced due to injury. Suggestions for alternative (shorter) hooks most welcome, we had trouble coming up with something sufficiently short that mentioned all seven fighters (Taisumov is not a new article). EdChem (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
More compact hook to consider... EdChem (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, M-1 Global's mixed martial arts world championships are being decided in the lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) divisions?
ALT2: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, MMA bouts will determine M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) Champions?
ALT3: * ... that M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) MMA Champions will be determined today in St. Petersburg?
In addition to EdChem's comments, I'd like to request the Oct 28, 1p.m. London time slot, due to the event starting at 11.30 EST that day. I think this would give the hook time to ....hook prior to the event starting and also cover a little bit during the event. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added ALT3 - shorter still, and brings the bolded names close to the start of the hook. I am comfortable with whichever of these the reviewers might feel is most suitable. EdChem (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talkcontribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Please see WT:DYK as myself and EdChem have laid out a proposal concerning this matter. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As we have completed the extra article, a suitable 5-article hook would be:

Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Updating work on these articles following the championship bouts that occurred on October 28 will be complete within 24 hours. EdChem (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Now adding nomination for 2010 M-1 Challenge Season, making this a 5-article hook. I've updated the DYKmakes, struck the earlier hook, and now offer the complete nomination. Thanks for allowing the updating work. EdChem (talk) 03:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BSA A65 Rocket

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article is close to passing, but has several small issues that need to be fixed. The article satisfies date of creation and length requirements, and the hook fact can be AGF-accepted for an offline book source. However, issues that I notice are:
  • Looking at the reference for the hook, searches in Bookfinder and Google Books and Amazon.com and the Internet Book Database all suggest that the title is not "BSA Twins 1962 - 1973" as is recorded in the article, but is actually "BSA Twins A50 & A65 Gold Portfolio: 1962&ndsah;1973". The reference should also record the publication date (1996, I think) and I am unsure why there is an apostrophe before the author's surname.
  • The hook fact should be cited to a specific page in the book, not just to the book itself.
  • Throughout the article, numbers with units should be separated by a non-breaking space - that is 108 mph (wikicode: 108 mph) per the MoS on units. This applies also to the hook itself.
  • Throughout the article, references should appear after punctuation - i.e. "closed.[4]" rather than "closed[4]."
  • Reference 1 - is the title of the "60s" or the "1960s" - my searches suggest the latter, but also indicate a later publication year, so may refer to a different version? Recording the language is usually only necessary when the book is in a language other than English.
  • Reference 2 appears to be titled "Classic Bikes" rather than "Classic British Bikes". Also, the "De Cet" in the author field seems strange - I find only a single author (Andrew Kemp). Probably specific page numbers would be appropriate here too.
  • Reference 4, a publisher field should be added to cite web template, along with a date field (if the web page provides a date).
  • As a general comment, common formating of authors names would be appropriate ("Bacon, Roy" and "Clarke, R. M." are not consistent, for example).
I anticipate that these issues may be resolved fairly rapidly, and the nomination will then be able to proceed into the queues for its main page appearance. EdChem (talk) 06:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bawean

The port of Bawean island, Indonesia, at sunset

  • ... that women constitute more than 75% of the actual population of Bawean island (pictured)?
  • Comment: See the lead or the end of "Etymology".

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm having trouble finding the 75% figure in references 4,5+6. Could you let me know which section of which reference states this, or if it is a WP:CALC where the figures for this came from? SmartSE (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Good. Take ref.4, search for 74.319 - this will lead to a table. Take Male (Laki-laki), consider that 70% of them are working abroad (a note above the table; if you search for 70%, you'll find an English text for it in the same document, but Google translate supports Indonesian). Thus the math is 35869*(1-0.7)/(38450+35869*(1-0.7))=22%. Materialscientist (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Makambako

  • ... that Paul Theroux described Makambako as "not a town but a collection of hovels on stretch of paved road where idle people sat or stood"?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 11:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article looks OK. Quote is not quite worded the way it is in the book. Do you really want to use, for a DYK, such an "outsider's" perspective that provides quite a subjective, and negative, view of the city? Suggest an ALT hook that describes another aspect of Makambako. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer Rosie's hook, we'll go with that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Shiva Thapa

Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 09:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that despite suffering from an injured fist, Indian boxer Shiva Thapa won a silver medal at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics? Mspraveen (talk) 12:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Simone Silva

Created by Draggleduck (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want to make this a pictured hook? The picture can be of the subject in that topless pose. Given that the subject is deceased, the picture can be used with a non-free fair use rationale. The topless picture will surely attract more views, but is it agreeable to use such pictures on the main page? Here's my alternate pictured suggestion. Thoughts?
ALT ... that when Simone Silva posed topless at the 1954 Cannes Film Festival, two photographers broke their limbs in the scramble to get the best pictures? Mspraveen (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It can't be a pictured hook, since the main page can't use non-free images. Nor can this page, which is why DASHBot removed the file, leaving only a link. BencherliteTalk 21:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
non free images not allowed at DYK. RlevseTalk 10:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I like the ALT hook, but Simone_Silva#Cannes_incident is way longer than the reference given, where did all the extra information come from? "the press loved it" sounds like original research to me. SmartSE (talk) 15:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Forget the Bacon!

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 07:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aboriginal title in the Marshall Court

Portrait of John Marshall

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Broderick – Terry duel

Duel between Broderick and Terry

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When did they stop having "gunfights" in the West, surely thats a more hooky word? Victuallers (talk) 12:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was the last one. Could you please clarify. Are you suggesting to change the word "duel" to the word "gunfight"?--Mbz1 (talk) 13:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a duel is a great deal more formal than a simple gunfight, a duel is planned in advance and has a whole lot of very strict rules. Unless you consider a duel with pistols to be a subspecies of gunfight? Duels were an arrangement between gentlemen to settle a question of honor, duels were not a shootout between gunslingers.Invertzoo (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, I distinctly remember working on a hook pertaining to this subject before, although clearly it wasn't on this specific article (and I don't think it made it onto the front page). The date of the duel makes for a very weak hook. How about: ALT1 ... that in 1859, ex-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California David S. Terry killed U.S. Senator David C. Broderick in a duel? DS (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I like it better. I changed it a little bit and added as alternative. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Margot Leverett

Created by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 02:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contra Dam

A tall concrete structure in a cold location impedes the flow of a river and creates a lake.

  • ... that James Bond's leap off of the 220 m (720 ft) high Contra Dam (pictured) in the 1995 film GoldenEye was voted in 2002 as the best film stunt ever?

5x/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 05:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • A few things I'm afraid: 1) For the hook, can a Sky Movies poll really be considered a reliable way to determine the best ever stunt? The hook could be trimmed of this if it isn't, yet remain interesting. 2) References 16, 18, 19 and 20 are not reliable sources so the content should be removed unless new references can be found. (I know this isn't a current DYK requirement, but based on what's going on, it looks like our standards are going to have to rise.) Can't see anything that looks like unsuitably close paraphrasing. SmartSE (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frankism

  • ... that Frankism, an 18th-century movement derived from Judaism, maintains that transgressing every boundary is one's most important personal responsibility?

5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 06:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 25

Jack Berntsen

  • ... that Norwegian folk singer Jack Berntsen had a cultural prize named after him?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Le Roy House and Union Free School

A pale blue house with black shutters, brown bric chimneys and a front porch with Greek-style columns seen from its front right.

A brown stone building with a pointed roof and a small garden in front

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 06:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Church of the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Kraków

Carmelite Church of the Virgin Mary

Created by Kallimach (talk), Polish29 (talk). Nominated by Polish29 (talk) at 18:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sesame Street research

  • ... that by 2001, there were over 1,000 research studies regarding the children's television show Sesame Street's efficacy, impact, and effect on American culture?

Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Split off of part of another article, but content created by nominator. Self nom at 12:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Washington State Route 220

5x expanded by Admrboltz (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Barrie, Cropping (punishment)

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Matengo people, Matengo Highlands

  • Comment: The people article is an expansion; the geo article is new.

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phallus calongei

Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's more like it, I've changed penis > phallic, but it needs mentioning in the description that it looks phallic. Do you think it's worth emailing Moreno to see if they might donate a photo? SmartSE (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Already emailed last week, but I wouldn't hold my breath; I haven't had any success yet with requesting pics. Will tweak the description soon. Sasata (talk) 17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Sasata (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. AGF for offline sources. I've had pretty good luck with images before, it certainly sounds like it would be an interesting photo for this article! SmartSE (talk) 22:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Easby Cross

  • ... that a large fragment of the Northumbrian Easby Cross (triple view right) was over 1,000 years old when it was found built into a wall in a field?

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 16:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • This had copyvio (and incorrect) material removed, reducing it to this, since when it has been expanded. But it is not 5x the copyvio version. I think such noms have been accepted in the past. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do It Again (George Gershwin and Buddy DeSylva song)

Created by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 1956 Summer Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Cincinnati Riot of 1853

Betty S. Murphy

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'd prefer to take out the part about the President insisting she was chosen for her qualifications and not for her sex. There's nothing in the article that implies Murphy was chosen for the position just because she was a woman, and if Ford had implied that she was chosen for her sex instead of her qualifications, that would have been a tremendous gaffe. Including "though President Gerald Ford insisted she was chosen for her qualifications and not for her sex" in the hook would imply, to me at least, that Wikipedia is expressing doubt about her qualifications for the position. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • At the risk of being presumptuous, I will suggest the following:
ALT: ... that Betty S. Murphy was the first woman to serve on and the first woman chair of the U.S. National Labor Relations Board, and the first woman to lead the Dept. of Labor's Wage and Hour Division? - Tim1965 (talk) 01:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Antlia Dwarf

A Hubble Space Telescope image of the Antlia Dwarf Galaxy

  • ... that the Antlia Dwarf galaxy (pictured) may have distorted the shape of its neighbour NGC 3109 one billion years ago?

5x expanded by Reyk (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Murray State Racers men's basketball

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Christiane Kohl

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Laxton's Superb (apple)

  • ... that Laxton's Superb is an apple species crossed between the Wyken Pippin × Cox's Orange Pippin by the Victorian plant breeder Thomas Laxton in 1897 in the town of Bedford, England?

Created by Bankhallbretherton (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William G. Thompson

  • ... that Detroit mayor William G. Thompson was considerably pummeled in a sensational public fight with his brother-in-law, who accused him of talking about his wife in barrooms?

5x expanded by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 20:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pavor Nocturnus (Sanctuary)

Created by Matthew R Dunn (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Austroplatypus incompertus

Created by John Stephen Dwyer (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Austroplatypus incompertus forms eusocial colonies in the heartwood of some Eucalyptus trees and was the first beetle to be recognized as being eusocial? --209.6.3.22 (talk) 04:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 is verified and more interesting than the original. I changed is>was as I can't be 100% certain that others haven't been discovered since '92, although E O Wilson wrote in 2008 that this was the only example. I also added eusocial before colonies to ALT1. SmartSE (talk) 11:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Added that it is only some Eucalypts that get infested (there are 700 species after all). SmartSE (talk) 11:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Church of St. Mary of the Spring (Istanbul)

St. Mary of of the Source

Created by Alex2006 (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 12:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I can verify that (AGF) no problem, but how about a more catchy hook? I could suggest something that includes our lad Simeon burning the church and his son Peter getting married there a few years later (something I did not know that I found very curious), but I'm not sure how much of a conflict of interest I have :) Nice article, by the way! Toдor Boжinov 15:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that even though Simeon I of Bulgaria burned the Church of St. Mary of the Spring near the Byzantine capital Constantinople, his son Peter married the daughter of Romanos I Lekapenos there three years later?
ALT2: ... that each Byzantine empress coming to Constantinople for her wedding was received by her future spouse in the Monastery of the Spring?
ALT3: ... that according to a legend, a monk at the Monastery of the Spring near Constantinople only believed the conquest of the city after the frying fishes in his pan came to life and jumped in the water?
Then let's go with ALT3! Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Stagg, Amos Alonzo Stagg, Jr.

Created by Jweiss11 (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see a source for "legendary" – I can't find one in any of the (three) biographical articles linked in the hook. matt (talk) 08:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Hall of Fame" (i.e. College Football Hall of Fame and Basketball Hall of Fame) instead of "legendary". Jweiss11 (talk) 08:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International

Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Both Bachmann and Emmer are current candidates for office, so I would advise that this DYK not run until November 3 or later (when the election will be over). But at the current pace that DYK hooks are being processed and running, that shouldn't be a problem, as long as nobody tries to put this hook on a faster track than usual. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ogden H. Hammond

Ogden H. Hammond

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 06:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Driving club


Right and Left

painting of ducks being shot

  • ... that Winslow Homer's painting Right and Left (pictured) was named by a hunter who recognized the sportsman's achievement of killing two birds in succession with a double-barreled shotgun?

Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the comment. I've added an online cite that helps a bit, though it doesn't specify that the viewer was a hunter. Perhaps a bit more research.... JNW (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Ballad of Molly Mogg

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 10:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Monark Springs, Missouri

5x expanded by Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Intelati (talk) at 18:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 26

Violette Lecoq

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 12:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Janis Martin (soprano)

Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Game Sprockets

  • ... that Apple introduced Game Sprockets in 1996 to improve game development on the Mac OS, but \ cancelled development only a year later?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Holland Island

  • Comment: Article created as a redirect in 2007 with a lighthouse page, but all content is new starting from October 26.

Created by Slincoln (talk), Fiftytwo thirty (talk). Nominated by Fiftytwo thirty (talk) at 21:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Id Gah Mosque

Id Gah Masque, Afghanistan

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Crimson football

Aerial view of Harvard Stadium in Boston

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Emery Point Light

Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Platz der Luftbrücke

Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hemmema, Turuma, Pojama, Udema, Archipelago fleet, Fredrik Henrik af Chapman

Fredrik Henrik Chapman

Created / Expanded by Peter Isotalo (talk) & MoRsE (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 11:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: [1] Does anyone want to quickly expand Chapman's wikibio to make a sextuple-DYK hook? [2] I'm hiding "af" in Chapman's name because I ain't sure if he had that 'af' added yet at the time these warships were built. --PFHLai (talk) 11:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC) [3] I have asked the authors for more footnotes. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is an historical person, so that he wasn't yet ennobled when he designed those ships is irrelevant. All the references are to past events, and as such WP:COMMONNAME should be adhered to. It might be relevant to change forms in the article itself, but in a mainpage blurb it seems merely confusing.
I'll see what I can do about expanding the bio, but doubling the size will require some effort, though I believe the hook should contain a link to Chapman even if it's not bolded.
Peter Isotalo 16:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fredrik Henrik af Chapman is now 5x-expanded. Thank you. I have put in the new {DYKmake} templates, and a long 6-in-1 hook with Chaman's fullname. --PFHLai (talk) 11:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Archipelago Fleet#History and Fredrik Henrik af Chapman#Architectura Navalis Mercatoria could use some footnotes. Otherwise, this sextuple-DYK looks ready. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:49, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just added notes to both. I'll try to work in a bit more on Chapman's later life before anything goes on the mainpage.
Peter Isotalo 13:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Robert Wilson (tenor)

Created by Ssilvers (talk), Tony164 (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 06:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chuncheon Marathon

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phokas (Byzantine family)

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link added to Nikephoros II Phokas. Nyttend (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Miles

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oral Hildebrand

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Grannis

DEC Headquarters in Albany, New York

5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


1835 Concepción earthquake

5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blair-Dunning House

A three-part brick house with large chimneys

Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Bossman

Created by Tone (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I just nominated this myself, completely missed your nomination! Sorry about that, I've removed my nomination. The wording I suggested was:
Whichever wording is used is fine with me. The Celestial City (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Probably your wording is better. And thanks for all the work on the article ;-) --Tone 07:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, no problem, thank you for starting it in the first place! Also, you managed to get to find out a lot of information I wasn't able to, like his birthdate and so on :-) The Celestial City (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

North Haven Mall

Created by Needscurry (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aylesbury duck

Two white ducks

5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Leo Cullum

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexei Kudrin

Alexei Kudrin

5x expanded by Offliner (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Colonia Tabacalera

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Allan Rumbolt

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frerea

Frerea indica flower

Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Ælfric Cild

  • ... that Anglo-Saxon nobleman Ælfric Cild (floruit 975-985) married into the powerful family of Ælfhere, ealdorman of Mercia, and succeeded him in office before being expelled by the end of two years, leaving Mercia without ealdorman for nearly ten years.

5x expanded by Cavila (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Taunton Town F.C.

5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Roland

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Diggers & Dealers

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Emperor of Exmoor

Created by Chzz (talk). Nominated by Kevin McE (talk) at 09:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 "... that the red stag Emperor of Exmoor" was Britain's largest known wild land animal with a mass of over 300 pounds (136 kg) and height of almost 9 feet (2.74 m)?" Jolly Ω Janner 18:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming the AfD gets snowed as it should, good to go. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 22:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note the only reason I didn't nominate this myself yet was, I was trying to get us a piccie. I see someone has now added a non-free one; I wrote to both League Against Cruel Sports and the photographer Richard Austin; League replied, and they don't have any suitably licenced pics; I haven't heard back from Mr. Austin yet. Chzz  ►  22:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Measurements on ALT text are based purely on estimate: the corpse was removed unmeasured, and there is no record that the animal was ever trapped for research. Kevin McE (talk) 07:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'd avoid definite statements like ALT1's "was...the largest animal" - you may find sources that say that he was, but they seem to be journalistic manglings of an original statement along the lines of "he seems to be the biggest one we've seen in Exmoor, and the pasture there is as good as any red deer habitat, so he's got a good shot at being the biggest red deer in Britain". As has been said, he was never measured, so you can't really use words like "known" to indicate certainty - and also there may be bigger animals that are "known" to their landowners, but which the latter choose not to publicise, to prevent either poaching or the recent problems seen with tourists disrupting the New Forest rut. So I'd prefer the original hook, or something similar that emphasises the uncertainty. Le Deluge (talk) 09:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There's also some doubt whether he was killed at all, or whether the whole thing was a bluff to try to deflect attention. Le Deluge (talk) 23:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In which case the blurb would have to become "... that the Emperor of Exmoor, a red deer (Cervus elaphus) stag reported to have been shot in October 2010, was believed to be Britain's largest wild land animal?", which, frankly, scarcely merits inclusion at all. If all we can report is two uncertainties, I would like to withdraw the nomination, but does support since then preclude it? Kevin McE (talk) 09:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're allowed to change your mind based on a change in the underlying facts. <g> A solution might be just to drop all mention of the death, so that the hook merely says he was probably the biggest land animal. That would work. Le Deluge (talk) 10:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would very much like this article to appear as a DYK. It was major national and international news, concerning what - regardless of your own speculation - has been widely reported as the shooting of the largest living land animal in the UK. I'm happy for the tag to be tweaked to meet requirements, but surely this is a perfectly valid DYK article.
Sadly, I'm now on a wiki-break, so I may be unable to find time to argue the case; please could others consider this for DYK.  Chzz  ►  18:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT3 (or whatever number this is) ... that the death of the Emperor of Exmoor, a red stag (Cervus elaphus) once believed to be the largest wild land animal in Britain, has been called "a myth" due to its unusual circumstances?
  • ALT4 ... that several MPs have signed an Early Day Motion to stop hunters from killing wild animals in Britain after the supposed death of the Emperor of Exmoor, a red stag (Cervus elaphus)?

SS Empire Conveyor

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 08:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mary J. Rathbun

5x expanded by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is, however, a citation in the section Publications, for the sentence "She wrote or co-wrote ... descriptions of 1147 new species ... as well as other nomenclatural novelties.", and another citation (to the same paper) for "In 1915, after her retirement, the Smithsonian Institution designated Rathbun an "Honorary Research Associate" ... ; she qualified for a Ph.D. at George Washington University in 1917." in the section Biography. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This hook comprises two facts, and each fact complies fully with WP:WIADYK. From the point of view of the article, it would not make sense to combine the two, although they combine well for a DYK hook, in my opinion. I respectfully request a second opinion. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is fine as it is, the thousand species are mentioned in the lead, but then referenced later on. Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Other_additional_rules_for_the_article D2 says it is fine to do this. Should 1000 be changed to one thousand though? Smartse (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke Fraser discography

A woman with long black hair playing a guitar and singing in front of a microphone

  • Comment: Another image is available if this one is not appropriate

Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 07:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the hook is not accompanied by an image, can the hook be ALT1:


Sanctuary of Atotonilco

Portion of cieling with murals

Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 27

Michael Tabor (Black Panther)

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SS Utopia

Created by East of Borschov (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of 1956 Winter Olympics medal winners

  • Comment: Moved to mainspace Oct 27.

Created by Courcelles (talk). Nominated by Strange Passerby (talk) at 00:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Newton, Derbyshire

  • ... that although there are 87 places in England that are called Newton there is only one that is called Newton in Derbyshire?

5x expanded by Davebevis (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 22:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Haydn (locomotive), Edward Thomas (locomotive)

  • ... that Talyllyn Railway locomotives No. 3 Sir Haydn and No. 4 Edward Thomas both hold the unusual distinction of carrying the same number though the ownership of four different railway companies?

Created by Peterjhw07 (talk). 5x expanded and nominated by Tivedshambo (talk) at 22:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Heli-Sport CH-7, Augusto Cicaré

A white-nosed, red-tailed helicopter sits on the ramp, its red-tipped rotor blades trained fore and aft, grass stretching out to trees behind it

Created by TSRL (talk), The Bushranger (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 22:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Sempronius Stretton

sketch of man and woman in big coats and large hats

Created/expanded by Andrewrabbott (talk), Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Made the first nom into a double using William Salter (artist) expansion Victuallers (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P. C. Ramakrishna

Created by SPat (talk). Self nom at 08:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Riding with the King (B. B. King and Eric Clapton album)

Two head and shoulder pictures of B.B. King and Eric Clapton

  • Comment: DYKcheck reports no 5x expansion, but 5.8 (4338/738) has been achieved.

5x expanded by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Polly Rosenbaum

Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC) Three more candidate hooks:[reply]

--Orlady (talk) 03:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion! I would have linked "pages" to an appropriate article, if one existed. Unfortunately, DragonflySixtyseven's link isn't quite right for this purpose. The lengthy article United States House of Representatives Page is exclusively about pages in the federal legislature in Washington, DC. The pages in legislatures in individual U.S. states have no association with the Congressional page program. The disambiguation page called "page" is the closest thing I have found to an article about pages in U.S. state legislatures; I linked to it in the article, but I don't think a DYK hook should link to a disambiguation page. --Orlady (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fénix capsules

Fénix capsule being exhibited in Santiago de Chile.

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Applebay Zuni

A round badge with a central blue field, featuring three white gulls vertically arranged, the field surrounded by a border of gold

Created by Petebutt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 23:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Pamela Jiles (journalist)

Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clio Awards

  • ... that the 1991 Clio Awards presentation is known as "The Most Bizarre Event in Advertising History"?

5x expanded by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2: that after the debacle of the 1991 Clio Awards presentation, during which a crowd of attendees stormed the stage and grabbed award statuettes, the 1992 Awards had less than 1/4 the number of entries as the 1990 awards? DS (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

S. Neil Fujita

Created by Bongomatic (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 19:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orchids, My Intersex Adventure

Created by Ellemueller (talk). Nominated by Shearonink (talk) at 18:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 1960 Winter Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


St Mary's Church, Shipton Solars

A small, simple church seen from a distance showing the nave with a single bellcote, and a smaller chancel beyond

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Booker T. Laury

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 14:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wendall Woodbury

Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 12:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Solungen

  • ... that after the newspaper Solungen was merged into Glommendalens Social-Demokrat from 1915, the successor of the latter newspaper legally blocked the use of the newspaper name Avisa Solungen in 2008?

5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Troughman

Created by Fifelfoo (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alliance, Alberta

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Klaxons discography

Two guitarists and a keyboard player are performing a song live on a stage lit by red and blue lights. A drumkit is visible in the background.

5x expanded by SteelersFan UK06 (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Olga Ivinskaya

Created by Comte0 (talk). Self nom at 09:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the liberty of fixing the punctuation issue. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 00:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've just made sure there's two spaces after full stops. It should be good now. Comte0 (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The "two spaces after a full stop" guideline is an outdated leftover from way back in the day when typewriters were more commonly used. There is no need to do so anymore, and the second space is ignored by most browser rendering engines. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
appr.RlevseTalk 20:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1973 Syrian General Staff Headquarters Raid

Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For clarification to other Users, the new article is 1973 Syrian General Staff Headquarters Raid. Poliocretes, Please put the link to the new article in boldface. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 23:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 28

NSB B5

Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


SS Vestris

Postcard of SS Vestris in 1920

  • ... that over 110 people were killed when SS Vestris (pictured) sank in 1928?

Created by Sladew (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 06:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


De-Ba'athification

Created by Amfarr21 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 22:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venues of the 1960 Summer Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 19:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martha Lipton

Created by Dylanfromthenorth (talk). Nominated by Redfarmer (talk) at 17:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two suggested changes: replace "appeared" with "performed", and get rid of "during her career". Clarityfiend (talk) 04:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Last Train From Hiroshima

Created by Alansohn (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 03:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the nom! I had been thinking that there might be a companion article, but never got around to it. Both hooks are fine, but ALT1 better captures the article and the controversy. Alansohn (talk) 03:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mayor of Porirua, Jenny Brash, Nick Leggett

  • Comment: All three articles are new, but Jenny Brash is the 'oldest' of them from 28 October, hence I list this nomination here.

Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adaptive Vehicle Make

A concept image

Created by Marcus Qwertyus (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook refs (while a bit technical) are good to go.

Sirocco (Kakapo)

A large green parrot stands on a log, surrounded by darkness

  • ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered flightless parrot, gained fame for attempting to mate with a television presenter?

Created by Chris Pitt (talk). Nominated by Avenue (talk) at 01:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've just spotted this wee gem on DYK. It's been nominated under 28 Oct, but it was created on 22 October, so I'm shifting it to here. Technically, it's too old for DYK. However, I'd like to draw attention of other editors to the additional rule D9. And if you want to have a good laugh, follow the biography link in the infobox to watch the YouTube clip of the mating incident. Absolutely hilarious. Schwede66 02:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fame is subjective. Suggest changing "gained fame for" to "was caught on video". And maybe linking "mate" to "Mating". --64.231.54.224 (talk) 06:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps fame is subjective, but two of the cited sources use that specific word to describe the reputation he's achieved. I don't think we need to completely neuter the language we use here. Mentioning the footage is a good idea, though. How about the following expanded hook? --Avenue (talk) 08:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1 ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered flightless parrot, gained fame when he was caught on video attempting to mate with a television presenter?
{ the date confusion is why people should copy/paste out of userspace, not move. Technically it should be under 28 Oct but eh. I don't think I could have just let the bird do that to me, that guy was very calm during that.RlevseTalk 09:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little iffy about describing Mark Carwardine as a "television presenter". How about: ALT2 ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered kakapo parrot, gained fame when he was caught on video attempting to mate with the back of a zoologist's head? DS (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I take your point about Carwardine being primarily a zoologist. I wonder if getting into the anatomy bogs it down in unnecessary detail, but will leave that to wiser heads than mine. --Avenue (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, I think it adds enough interest to be worth mentioning. --Avenue (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't spot the move date in the history file. My mistake and my apologies. Have thus put it back under the correct date. Schwede66 17:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pomegranate production in Afghanistan

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • length, creation date, hook citation all verified. Minor issues: "finest" in last sentence of lead should be changed for neutrality. Images need formatting (cluttering section headings) Perhaps one too many photos for article of this length? (good article - I'm going to find some Afghan pomegranates for lunch) The Interior(Talk) 20:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bay Thrush

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Samangan, Samangan Province, Khulm River

Samangan Province

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 11:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded Samangan and Samangan Province, Khulm River is a new article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Liu Tianyou ‎

Created by User:Hongkongresdient (talk). Self nom at 10:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Film studies

  • ... that film studies are less concerned with filmmaking than with exploring the narrative, artistic, cultural, economic, and political implications of the cinema?

5x expanded by Joko123nm (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1855 Ansei Edo earthquake

A man sleeps against a rock while the giant catfish Namazu that he was supposed to control causes the destruction of Edo (modern Tokyo), shown engulfed in flames

5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Tosh Powell

  • ... that Welsh bantamweight champion Tosh Powell died from a brain hemorrhage after a boxing match in Liverpool, at the age of 20?

Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cylindrocline lorencei

Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article and date check out. There is only one minor issue that I can see: "saved" is not the best word here, as it implies the species was not already extinct. Perhaps "brought back" or some variation thereof would be better? Intelligentsium 23:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The French source states that the plant was considered extinct in culture (i.e., in gardens and such) and in nature since 1990 (original: "La plante fut donc considérée comme éteinte en culture et en nature dès 1990"). Source 1 confirms this: "[U.S. botanist David H. Lorence] noted that there was only one plant [of this species] in the Plaine Champagne ... However, Wendy Strahm noted in 1996 that the plant had since died: the species at that point would be recorded as Extinct." The plant was brought back not from surviving seeds but tissues found within them (the seeds themselves were not viable). As the last individual had died the plant was extinct, unless you would count the tissues (under which definition other species currently considered "extinct" might only be "extinct in the wild"). Intelligentsium 15:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that after the only known Cylindrocline lorencei died and its seeds would not germinate, botanists saved the plant from extinction through the in vitro culture of part of the seed embryo? DS (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This depends on how exactly one defines "extinct", I guess. Your sources confirm that it was indeed considered "extinct", but I think DS's alt is clearer in that it avoids issues with the definition. Ucucha 15:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, DS's is more precise and clear, but it would be good to somehow add that the plant was "considered extinct"—whether "in the wild" by Kew, or "en culture et en nature" (in culture and in nature) by Brest. I fully realize how tricky this hook is, but it would be nice to convey the full impact of something that is quite extraordinary, in spite of the short time span between "dead species"-->"no viable seeds"-->"extinct"-->"laboratory brings back to life". First Light (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think this was the first time something like this ever happened (and has it ever happened since?), and thus more precise terminology doesn't exist. DS (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's right. Added to that is the difficulty in explaining all of the nuance in a short hook. Here's one more try, slightly tweaking your ALT1 (either way, I think that saved the "species" is better than "plant"):
ALT2: ... that when the only known Cylindrocline lorencei died and its seeds would not germinate it was considered extinct—until botanists saved the species through the in vitro culture of part of the seed embryo? First Light (talk) 15:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2, counting "that" and the question mark is 203 characters (the limit is supposed to be 200). I suppose we could remove the "the" before in vitro, or ask for some leeway if it's the best one. First Light (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about this (ALT3):
Looks great - adding "seed" before "embryo" for non-botanists would be helpful, but it would also be fine as is. First Light (talk) 19:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Adams (educator)

  • ... that despite having to teach out of a poorly converted hotel building, Mary Adams transformed the Wesleyan Female College into a highly regarded institution?

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe

Created by Ruby2010 (talk) 17:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]

George Tuccaro

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel L. Norris

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Erika Forster-Vannini

Photograph of a smiling caucasian woman in her mid-sixties

Created by S Marshall (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Lorne Kusugak

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sandrine Salerno

Created by S Marshall (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Azeline Hearne

Created by Redfarmer (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Peter's Church, Wolfhampcote

A stone church seen from the northwest with a squat tower in the foreground, with the north aisle to the left and the west end of the nave to the right

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Adams (American football)

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Dan Sane

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wittenberg Tigers football

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

United States security assistance to the Palestinian Authority

Created by Kmac1986 (talk). Nominated by My76Strat (talk) at 01:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kinan Azmeh

5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd Rather Be Baking Cookies: A Collection of Recipes from Lisa MacLeod and Friends

Created by Kelapstick (talk), Drmies (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Brent Weedman, Douglas Lima

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've just done a mild bit of linking and I'm happy with this. Thank you for the suggestion. Paralympiakos (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Fuller (lawyer)

Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Balloon shark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the catshark Cephaloscyllium sufflans can greatly inflate its stomach with water or air as a defense mechanism against predators?
The thing is that all Cephaloscyllium species can do this, and the DYK for swellshark was basically the same thing. But I suppose if you think that was long enough ago... -- Yzx (talk) 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, didn't know/remember about the other similar hook. I have the same issue with mushroom hooks ("DYK that X mushroom is bioluminescent" repeats every few months). Just tossing out another option. Sasata (talk) 03:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Venice (musical)

Created by ESkog (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Aseroe coccinea

  • ... that although the fungus Aseroe coccinea was formally described in 1989, its validation as a species was delayed until 2007 due to a naming error?

Created by Sasata (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 08:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Mark Levin Show

Created by Intelati (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually changed a redirect to an article. :/--TalkToMecintelati 18:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done and  Done--intelatitalk 03:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd add "in the United States". Although there is no specific evidence, I'd suggest something on BBC World Service would beat it, and at times the Chris Evans show on BBC Radio 2 beats it too. And there are plenty of other countries in the world with large populations that might have shows that are more listened to. The reference clearly doesn't list any English / European stations either. Harrias talk 08:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Double Arches Pit

Created by Acather96 (talk). Self nom at 09:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


List of Medical Eponyms Discouraged Because of Nazi Associations

  • ... that the Clara cell, a medical eponym, had been researched using tissue from an executed Nazi prisoner?

5x expanded by Jclemens (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Still a little shaky on this one. It's currently at AfD, although I expect it to survive, and I will probably be making substantial changes to the article for the next several days. Article will likely end up retitled, and I'm all ears about how to improve the hook, but nominating it now due to timing constraints. Jclemens (talk) 03:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 29

Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Travel to Italy (Mácha)

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cikáni

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Aloysius (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phonomotor

  • ... that the Phonomotor, patented by Thomas Edison in 1878, could drill a hole in a board powered only by the human voice?

Created by Edison (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Liang Congjie

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

National Supercomputing Center of Tianjin

Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mudawana

5x expanded by Amg0709 (talk). Nominated by Cryptic C62 (talk) at 21:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fengguo Temple

Daxiongbao Hall of Fengguo Temple, Yixian, Lioning China

Created by Zeus1234 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PSR J1614–2230

  • Comment: Creator nommed it for ITN two days ago, but it doesn't seem to be on its way to being featured.

Created by James McBride (talk). Nominated by Smartse (talk) at 08:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

National Democratic Party (Egypt)

5x expanded by Nerdpenguin (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 04:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Seelbach Hotel

5x expanded by Klhrdy (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 21:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article states this as a story, while the hook states it as a fact - this might need clarification. Secondly, given the current excitement over how sources are used; the article contains the text "The famous Bavarian-style Rathskellar, decorated with rare Rookwood Pottery, remains to this day the only surviving ensemble of its kind" cited to, but not quoting, a (presumably copyrighted) source which states a 1907 expansion included "the famous Bavarian-style Rathskeller, decorated with rare Rookwood Pottery. Today the Rathskeller remains the only surviving ensemble of its kind." I would welcome clarification on whether this is an issue or not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for pointing that out. Of course it's an issue; I'm afraid we cannot place this on the main page since it's plagiarized, unless someone can remedy this. Whwya (talk) 10:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have asked the author to rectify the copyright issues immediately. For the hook, try
... that the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville, Kentucky was frequented by Al Capone, who was once said to have avoided police by escaping through secret tunnels in the hotel?
/ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, Fetchcomms, but this article appears to have more serious problems. Lines like "making the quaint 150-room hotel a 500-room bastion of turn-of-the-century tasteful refinement" and "lasting legacy in the city of Louisville that would shape visitors' experiences sit at the forefront of the Kentuckian hospitality industry for the many years of its existence" are largely promotional. This will need some in-depth copyediting to rectify. I also fear that since the only online source was plagiarized, much of the information in the article may also be plagiarized from The Seelbach. We have got to crack down on copyright violations. Whwya (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oscar Nilssen

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Torstein Grythe

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reinhard Mohn

5x expanded by Clarityfiend (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Henry E. Hardtner

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Bemis

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Last part of the paragraph which contains the cited fact is word-for-word from the source. Please rephrase (or add quotes), and check article throughout for any similar instances. Sasata (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Power Snooker

Diagram of the ball layout used in Power Snooker

  • ... that Power Snooker (table illustrated) is a new fast-paced, time-limited version of snooker, inspired by Twenty20 cricket, which uses just nine red balls?

5x expanded by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Eber Brock Ward

Eber B Ward

5x expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Plucknett

Created by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald Cuthbert Hay


Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary's Church, Brentingby

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Falmouth Lifeboat station

A low, cream coloured building with two large red doors

Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Laura Ross (politician)

  • ... that Saskatchewanian politician Laura Ross was, at various times, a caterer, real estate agent and farmer before her entrance into politics?

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Manastir Mosque

Manastır Mosque

Created by Alex2006 (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 16:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

James R. Lewis (legislator)

5x expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • ALT1:... that politician James R. Lewis was involved in plans to build a laser gun "designed to blind people", sell it to a Guatemalan colonel, and use the proceeds to build a laetrile factory in South America?
  • The article currently is only 1165 characters of the 1500 required. Please do expand it if at all possible, as this is quite an interesting, quirky hook. The original hook, however, is 344 characters, way over the limit of 200. I've suggested ALT1, which should squeak by at 201. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 05:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded a bit more, wikilinking and setting it in the context of the Laetrile crusade; hope it suffices. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
AGF for offline ref. Ideally, I would prefer to see an additional source. The Rome News-Tribune ain't exactly The New York Times. I couldn't find any online sources. But Orange Mike is an experienced, respected admin, and if he feels it's a reliable source, I'm inclined to accept that. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 22:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tory Christman

  • Comment: Expanded over 5x, see diff link. Thank you for your time.

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Irwin B. Laughlin

U.S. Ambassador to Spain Irwin B. Laughlin

Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


John Stirk

Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 14:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hall Thompson

  • ... that remarks by Hall Thompson that "we don't discriminate in every other area except blacks" before the 1990 PGA Championship led golf's governing bodies to ban holding tournaments at all-white clubs?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All Saints Church, Beeby

A church tower in orange stone with white buttresses and parapets, a blue clock face, and a stumpy spire

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


James Armstrong (musician)

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 11:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft hoax

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reliable sources generally have evidence of editorial oversight, which I couldn't find from checking out the website. The book is definitely reliable (it is based on a Doctoral thesis), and the Google Books snippet on page 4 confirms the hook fact. Thanks for adding the extra source. Sasata (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oscar season

Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas R. Archer

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 08:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The complete elimination of a tax by someone is bound to be interesting... wouldn't it be interesting if the United States Government completely eliminated, say, income tax? I think we've had far less interesting hooks here before, such as: "that the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center was created in July 2008 to protect American consumers from potentially harmful trade goods?" and "that the Central Market (pictured) in Ljubljana was designed by the Slovenian architect Jože Plečnik?" and "that Minds and Machines is a peer-reviewed academic journal covering artificial intelligence, philosophy, and cognitive science?" - there is nothing too out of the ordinary about those hooks, especially the last one, which is simply a description of the journal itself, rather than an "interesting fact" about it. I think that the complete elimination of a business tax by a city mayor is a lot more interesting than these. Arctic Night 03:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks - I had OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in mind when I wrote that, but couldn't find a better way to express that "this isn't the least interesting hook we've had" in a different way. I would normally be the first to jump on someone using OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or WP:ILIKEIT - how hypocritical of me :) Arctic Night 04:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wide Awake in Europe

5x expanded by Dream out loud (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wallace Wilkerson

Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel St. Moritz

The former Hotel St. Moritz on Central Park in New York City

  • ... that the rooms of the Café Rumpelmayer in the Hotel St. Moritz (pictured) in New York City were designed by the German-born architect Winold Reiss?

Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Lemmon Marathon

A section of the General Hitchcock Scenic Byway

  • ... that the female winner of the inaugural Mount Lemmon Marathon was competing in her first marathon and finished the 26.2 miles (42.2 km) race in just under 4 hours?

Created by Atmoz (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • (ALT1) ... that the Mount Lemmon Marathon has an elevation gain of over 1 mile (1.61 km) from start to finish in the 26.2 miles (42.2 km) race.
(Note: moved from userspace on 29 October.)

If You're a Viper

  • ... that the US army paid for the recording of "If You're a Viper", a song about smoking marijuana, in 1943?

Created by Bali ultimate (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah. I suggest if ya'll like this, you run it this Tuesday, given Prop 19 in California.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. Expected so. (The key citation was staring you in the face). Goodbye.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"paid for"? Can't find any mention of monetary transactions in the article. How about "invited"? --64.231.54.224 (talk) 03:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All V-Disc recordings were paid for by the army.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bali, I don't see anything about the Army paying for the recording of V-Discs in the article. Would you be able to add that? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The whole V-Disc effort was run by the army. They paid for the sound-engineers, the studio time, for pressing and distribution. I think the musicians generally donated their own time. There's a source already in the article to this effect. I'll duplicate it elsewhere as a favor to you (the whole point of this exercise is that it's an actually interesting hook.)Bali ultimate (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It may be interesting to you, but it is incredibly boring to me. And that is the point. Not everyone will find every hook interesting. What is interesting to some people will not be interesting to others. -Atmoz (talk) 21:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Uhuh. At any rate, done. [4].Bali ultimate (talk) 21:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Length and creation date verified. Hook citation checks out. Seems interesting to me, but I'm from BC. Bali, please check ref 11, as it is dead. The Interior(Talk) 22:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Link should work now.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Two paragraphs are lacking inline citations. These need to be added before it gets to on the main page. SmartSE (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fuck it.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 30

Diary of 1835 (Mácha)

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October. Aloysius (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Eleonora Šomková

Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October.Aloysius (talk) 06:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum

Created/expanded by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Women's literary salons and societies in the Arab World

  • ... that, because she wore the niqāb, Zaynab Fawwaz's husband had to relay messages for her to the men who attended her Arabic literary salon?

Created by Act25 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 02:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1902 Michigan Wolverines football team

team photograph depicting the members of the 1902 University of Michigan football team

Created/expanded by User:cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Venues of the 1964 Winter Olympics

Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Janet Bragg

Created by Rich Farmbrough (talk), East of Borschov (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of I Zingari first-class cricketers

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Caleana major

Flying Duck Orchid

Created by Poyt448 (talk). Self nom at 06:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Consulate General of France in Jerusalem

Created by Dmk53 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 03:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Early life of Néstor Kirchner

Argentine presidential marriage, Néstor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, in a close photo

Created by MBelgrano (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Ronnie McCollum

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ashleigh Grimshaw, Robbie Olivier

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • The event refs are done, I think, but the nicknames are sourced in the infobox on the right of the article. If the nicknames need to be in the prose, please send me a talk message and I'll sort that out. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Edenborn

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified, including facts for both hooks. The article originally only said that he patented the machine which made the barbed wire. I added a cited passage about the patenting of the wire itself. But I think the original hook is much "hookier". MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Epidemiology (Community episode)

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chamaegigas

Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hook length, fact, article length & date all verified. Sasata (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Xenia of Montenegro

Ruby2010 (talk) 18:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC))[reply]

List of 1948 Winter Olympics medal winners

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lai Pak Hoi

Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandria Mills


William Donald Albright

  • ... that in 1941, William Donald Albright became director of the Beaverlodge Research Station, the northernmost such station in Canada?

Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Debye-Hückel theory

Created by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel Acquin

5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tristan Thrush

5x expanded by Maias (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wara Wara

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 11:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All Saints Church, Holdenby

Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf Skjegstad

  • ... that when A. Skjegstad was hired in Aftenposten, he became one of the few in Norway to go from a labour newspaper to a high-profile conservative newspaper?

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Dygert

5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 09:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Nicholas

Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Female Quixote

Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

18 Galeus articles

A slender shark with a complex color pattern of brownish saddles and blotches

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discretionary trusts and powers in English law

  • ... that discretionary trusts in English law have been described as "powers in the nature of trusts" because they cross the traditional distinction between trusts and powers?

Ironholds (talk) 07:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Official scorer

5x expanded by Aaron north (talk). Self nom at 09:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 31

Potential person

Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Congregation Or Chadash

Created by Jayjg (talk), Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Louis J. Roussel, Jr.

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Danny van Bergen

Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 01:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Willie Jackson (basketball)

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Smith (blues singer)

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 22:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fleetwood Edwards

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Supercomputing in China

Proportion of supercomputers by country, June 2010.

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 21:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Klotok

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Monika Frimmer, Christa Bonhoff, Dantes Diwiak

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Incorrigible Dukane

Created by Koplimek (talk), Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Dylanfromthenorth (talk) at 20:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harold King (author)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Howland

  • ... that Mayflower passengers John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley founded one of the three largest Mayflower progenies?

5x expanded by Ishtar456 (talk) Self nom at 18:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This expansion is NOT 5 fold and I ask that an exception be made. Even though there are only 2.5 Xs more characters in the prose sections of new version than the old, the current version has been substantially rewritten. Although much improvement still remains to be made, the current version is far more informative and readable. The former version was uncited and incoherent. I think that making exception for historically significant figures or events may help encourage editors to tackle these types of improvements, in which the sources are difficult to discern and the research more time consuming. I understand that decisions are done at the discretion of the administrator. If the exception is made, I would also like to request that entry be moved to November 25, Thanksgiving in the USA. --Ishtar456 (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Kimutai Bett

Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of number-one EPs (UK), Hits (The Beach Boys EP)

A photo looking up from the side at an old silver-haired man singing into a microphone. He is wearing a blue shirt and is backlit by a yellow stage light.

Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Anti-Fascist Youth Union of the Free Territory of Trieste

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Robert-Georg Freiherr von Malapert

Created by MisterBee1966 (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BSA Empire Star

1936 BSA Empire Star 500cc

Created/expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 14:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Cash McCall (musician)

Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Patriarchal Monastery of the Holy Trinity

Side view of a three-domed Orthodox church with blind arches. Cliffs in the background.

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Henry Arkwright

  • ... that, after Henry Arkwright was killed by an avalanche in 1866, his body remained undiscovered for 31 years and, when found, was missing both feet and a head?
  • ALT1:... that, after Henry Arkwright was killed by an avalanche in 1866, his body remained undiscovered for 31 years and, when found, his right hand was "marvellously life-like"?
  • ALT2:... that amateur cricketer Henry Arkwright once took 18 wickets in a match, the second most ever taken?

Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Meyer Foshaug

Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 10:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William Henry Atkinson


Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Henry Scott

Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 07:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • A bit negative, perhaps?

Harry Oliver (footballer)

Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Mary Emma Allison

  • Comment: It's a shame that word about her death broke to late to make it in for Halloween this year.

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 1

Raymond Stone

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greenlandic cuisine

  • ... that among the many unique features of Greenlandic cuisine is beer brewed from ancient glacial water?

5x expanded by Uyvsdi (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

House (1977 film)

  • ... that director Nobuhiko Obayashi purposely made the special effects in the horror comedy film House look unrealistic?

5x expanded by Andrzejbanas (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

American democracy promotion in the Middle East and North Africa

Created by Ya7abibi24 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 03:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bogor

Lily pond in the Bogor Botanical Garden

  • ... that the botanic garden (pictured) of Bogor, Indonesia, was the world's largest in the 19th century?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

For November 3

Scott Ashjian

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be most unfortunate, as it would invalidate the DYK due to time since expansion. Perhaps you could suggest another hook. I dispute its not being "interesting", I think it is quite interesting indeed that it went all the way to the Nevada Supreme Court to determine the candidate would remain on the ballot. -- Cirt (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Except that Nevada has only two main levels of courts, the Nevada District Courts and the Supreme Court of Nevada. So many cases in the state courts where someone has to appeal will wind up before the state supreme court. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Initial report shown to be a bot error:

  • Prose size (text only): 10660 characters (1792 words) "readable prose size"
  • Article created by Kendrick7 on March 8, 2010
  • Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 76 edits ago on July 30, 2010
  • Article has not been created or expanded 5x within the past 10 days (78 days) DYKcheck does not account for previous versions with splits or copyright violations.
plus the other person's hook did not feature an ongoing election, this one is not new and fails 5x rule too.RlevseTalk 15:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've never seen DYKcheck that far off before, but I still think we shouldn't run this as it's directly about a pending election.RlevseTalk 15:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Choice of hook aside, date and expansion are fine. All suggested hooks are also supported in the article, including the two I put forward. I leave it to the final reviewer to pass the most suitable one. Strange Passerby (talkcstatus) 10:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) -- Cirt (talk) 10:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am disturbed by the possibility of using the Main Page (whether TFA, ITN, OTD, or DYK) to spotlight a specific candidate in an election on the day of, or immediately before the election. I think this problem arises even if the day is chosen coincidentally, but is all the more obvious with a "hold". Because the DYK process only vets articles for compliance with Wikipedia policies like neutrality at the most basic level, this presents an opportunity for partisans to use Wikipedia as a political ad. The easiest way to prevent this (and the only feasible way given the realities of Wikipedia), is just to not run such hooks right before an election. Even if the article is neutral, well-referenced, etc., the prominence of the main page seems to provide an undue level of spotlighting, almost like an endorsement or lopsided voters guide. As for this specific hook, I recommend that it be run well in advance of, or after the election. For example, for the 2008 presidential election, both Obama and McCain were run as TFA; I strongly doubt that we would have run either article alone, even if only one of the articles was featured. Savidan 19:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is proposed to be run on the date November 3, 2010, the day after the election. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For November 24, 2010, Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 ‎

5x expanded by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For December 10

This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby

Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: All 6 articles in this hook have been worked on by both nominators in user space, and were moved to article space today. For ease of checking, this link from M-1 Global confirms the match ups and the championships each fighter holds, this link confirms that Grishin was replaced due to injury. Suggestions for alternative (shorter) hooks most welcome, we had trouble coming up with something sufficiently short that mentioned all seven fighters (Taisumov is not a new article). EdChem (talk) 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
More compact hook to consider... EdChem (talk) 19:30, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, M-1 Global's mixed martial arts world championships are being decided in the lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) divisions?
ALT2: * ... that today in St. Petersburg, MMA bouts will determine M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) Champions?
ALT3: * ... that M-1 Global's lightweight (Artiom Damkovsky vs. Mairbek Taisumov), middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks) and heavyweight (Kenny Garner (replacing injured Maxim Grishin) vs. Guram Gugenishvili) MMA Champions will be determined today in St. Petersburg?
In addition to EdChem's comments, I'd like to request the Oct 28, 1p.m. London time slot, due to the event starting at 11.30 EST that day. I think this would give the hook time to ....hook prior to the event starting and also cover a little bit during the event. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added ALT3 - shorter still, and brings the bolded names close to the start of the hook. I am comfortable with whichever of these the reviewers might feel is most suitable. EdChem (talk) 12:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talkcontribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Please see WT:DYK as myself and EdChem have laid out a proposal concerning this matter. Paralympiakos (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The goal 6-article hook would be something like:

* ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?

Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.[reply]

Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Late December 2010

Andrew McKinley

Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Miodownik

Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification: Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
    Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
    --K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also