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Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 23
Joseph Tehawehron David
- ... that Joseph Tehawehron David was a Mohawk artist who became known for his role as a warrior during the Oka crisis in 1990?
Created by JenniferDales (talk). Nominated by Shearonink (talk) at 13:39, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article consists mainly of one-sentence paragraphs, issues with spacing, punctuation, writing, citations not done properly. Needs a lot of work before approval. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Gary Clayton Anderson
- ... that the historian Gary Clayton Anderson of the University of Oklahoma likens the white man's advance into Texas in the 19th century to ethnic cleansing of the American Indians?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see the information in the hook, in the article. Yoninah (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- P. 9, paragraph 3 of The Conquest of Texas: Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land; the theme of the book is that the conquest of the Indians is an example of ethnic cleansing. Billy Hathorn (talk) 13:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I know it's in your reference, you just didn't write it in your article. Yoninah (talk) 14:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Expand lead, sort out references, especially the ISBNs, space after citations. Needs copyediting: From 1981-1991 -> From 1981 to 1991, "In 2010, Anderson is working on a forthcoming book", "scence", sentence beginning "Anderson stresses the Battle of the Little Big Horn", etc. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I took care of the spaces and formatted the refs. The main problem with the page is that there are no secondary sources. The main reference is Anderson's profile page at the University of Oklahoma. All the discussion about the books are quoted to the books themselves. Yoninah (talk) 00:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England
- ... that there are 62 redundant churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England?
Created by Rodw (talk). Self nom at 17:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1... that there are 62 redundant churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England? Mjroots (talk) 05:54, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd be OK with ALT1 except that the definition of South West England used in that article is different to the one used by the Churches Conservation Trust ie Gloucestershire is not included in the SW by CTT (which we are trying to stick to) & they include the 11 churches in Glos as part of the "Heart of England" (for which we haven't written the list yet).— Rod talk 09:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd suggest ALT2 "... that one of the 62 churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in South West England is currently used as a circus skills school (pictured)?". It's far more likely to generate "that looks interesting" click-throughs. – iridescent 09:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm happy with ALT2 - I've added another ref (no 184) which makes this explicit. It was there in previous references but didn't as clearly support this fact.— Rod talk 15:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Sourcing problems with the article and hook contradicting the cited source. Source for the 62 churches, [1], is a web page containing links to 6 other pages. Hand counting the listed entries shows 6 listed churches in Bristol, 21 in Wiltshire, 18 in Somerset, 9 in Dorset, 10 in Devon, and 1 in Cornwall. Adding these up produces a total of 65, not the 62 claimed. --Allen3 talk 14:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- If you look at the Bristol entries it includes 3 which are also shown in Somerset ie: Church of St James, Cameley, Church of St Michael, Clapton in Gordano and St Thomas à Becket Church, Pensford. Therefore if you discount the 3 which are duplicated you get 62. I believe this is because the CCT is still using Avon (county) borders when Avon was abolished in 1996.— Rod talk 14:43, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have a source confirming these are duplicates or are we required to perform original research to confirm your claims? I have already gone above and beyond what you should expect by chasing down multiple links from the source that supposedly confirms that number of churches. Having to perform a search for potential duplicates and then confirming and removing any found from the count is too much to expect of a reader not intimately familiar with the material. --Allen3 talk 18:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't have a separate source saying "CCT has made an error" but if you look at The Bristol List you will see the three I have named, which you will also see on The Somerset List. I could add all six of the separate lists instead of the single regional list if that would help? I would just consider that reading the sources, rather than original research, but I don't think it is worth worrying about that much & will withdraw the nomination of you don't think it is appropriate.— Rod talk 18:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Alt2 is good to go, as it's an interesting hook fact and the explanation for the source discrepancy works for me. It's an incredibly well cited article - if only all our editors would produce such nice work. I've added the photo of the particular church to the hook. Schwede66 17:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Khedivate of Egypt
- ... that Muhammad Ali, unofficial ruler of the Egyptian khedivate, was a de jure Ottoman governor, but invaded other Ottoman lands?
- ALT1:... that the khedivate of Egypt was abolished in 1914 when Khedive Abbas II sided with the Central Powers in World War I?
- ALT2:... that the Khedivate of Egypt was a de facto state as early as 1805, but its ruler was only recognized as a khedive in 1867?
5x expanded by User:DCI2026 (talk page). Nominated by DCI2026 (talk page) at 18:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I significantly expanded an older, small stub article into a larger page. Is it still eligible for DYK?DCI2026 (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, that would go in the category of a "5x expansion" which can qualify for DYK. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- 5X expansion checks out. However, refs from hook have bare URL's and need to be properly attributed. To get rid of bare URL's, use the cite templates at WP:CITET The Interior(Talk) 22:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- I significantly expanded an older, small stub article into a larger page. Is it still eligible for DYK?DCI2026 (talk) 18:20, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 24
Fort de Tancrémont
- ... that Belgian soldiers continued to defend Fort de Tancrémont even after Belgium had already capitulated to Nazi Germany on 28 May 1940?
Created by Acroterion (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 22:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2011
- ... that the video game Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2011 has been described as a "survival game first and a hunting game second"?
Created by Joewelby2000 (talk). Nominated by MuZemike (talk) at 18:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a very interesting hook. - PM800 (talk) 06:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm forced to agree. DS (talk) 13:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
J. Milton Nance
- ... that historian J. Milton Nance's account of the Mier Expedition by a Texas militia making a raid into Mexico in 1842 recounts the infamous black bean episode to determine which of the men would be executed?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Tobi Lark
- ... that R&B singer Tobi Lark's most successful recording was issued under a different name, became very popular in Wigan, and has recently been compared to a Shakespeare sonnet?
Created by Ghmyrtle (talk). Self nom at 22:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Multi-article mixed martial arts hook
This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request 24 hours from this time stamp to sort out the extra article for this hook. EdChem (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby
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Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
As we have completed the extra article, a suitable 5-article hook would be:
... that at M-1 Challenge XXI, Artiom Damkovsky defeated Mairbek Taisumov to become the inaugural M-1 Global Lightweight MMA Champion and Guram Gugenishvili defeated Kenny Garner (who was replacing the injured Maxim Grishin) for the M-1 Global Heavyweight Championship?
Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Updating work on these articles following the championship bouts that occurred on October 28 will be complete within 24 hours. EdChem (talk) 02:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Now adding nomination for 2010 M-1 Challenge Season, making this a 5-article hook. I've updated the DYKmakes, struck the earlier hook, and now offer the complete nomination. Thanks for allowing the updating work. EdChem (talk) 03:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- ... that at M-1 Global's Challenge XXI event, Artiom Damkovsky defeated Mairbek Taisumov to become their inaugural Lightweight MMA Champion and Guram Gugenishvili defeated Kenny Garner (who was replacing the injured Maxim Grishin) for their inaugural Heavyweight Championship?
BSA A65 Rocket
- ... that the 1964 BSA A65 Rocket motorcycle had a top speed of 108mph and was sold as the fastest BSA in production?
Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 15:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- This article is close to passing, but has several small issues that need to be fixed. The article satisfies date of creation and length requirements, and the hook fact can be AGF-accepted for an offline book source. However, issues that I notice are:
- Looking at the reference for the hook, searches in Bookfinder and Google Books and Amazon.com and the Internet Book Database all suggest that the title is not "BSA Twins 1962 - 1973" as is recorded in the article, but is actually "BSA Twins A50 & A65 Gold Portfolio: 1962&ndsah;1973". The reference should also record the publication date (1996, I think) and I am unsure why there is an apostrophe before the author's surname.
- The hook fact should be cited to a specific page in the book, not just to the book itself.
- Throughout the article, numbers with units should be separated by a non-breaking space - that is 108 mph (wikicode: 108 mph) per the MoS on units. This applies also to the hook itself.
- Throughout the article, references should appear after punctuation - i.e. "closed.[4]" rather than "closed[4]."
- Reference 1 - is the title of the "60s" or the "1960s" - my searches suggest the latter, but also indicate a later publication year, so may refer to a different version? Recording the language is usually only necessary when the book is in a language other than English.
- Reference 2 appears to be titled "Classic Bikes" rather than "Classic British Bikes". Also, the "De Cet" in the author field seems strange - I find only a single author (Andrew Kemp). Probably specific page numbers would be appropriate here too.
- Reference 4, a publisher field should be added to cite web template, along with a date field (if the web page provides a date).
- As a general comment, common formating of authors names would be appropriate ("Bacon, Roy" and "Clarke, R. M." are not consistent, for example).
- I anticipate that these issues may be resolved fairly rapidly, and the nomination will then be able to proceed into the queues for its main page appearance. EdChem (talk) 06:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Bawean
- ... that women constitute more than 75% of the actual population of Bawean island (pictured)?
- Comment: See the lead or the end of "Etymology".
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm having trouble finding the 75% figure in references 4,5+6. Could you let me know which section of which reference states this, or if it is a WP:CALC where the figures for this came from? SmartSE (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good. Take ref.4, search for 74.319 - this will lead to a table. Take Male (Laki-laki), consider that 70% of them are working abroad (a note above the table; if you search for 70%, you'll find an English text for it in the same document, but Google translate supports Indonesian). Thus the math is 35869*(1-0.7)/(38450+35869*(1-0.7))=22%. Materialscientist (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm having trouble finding the 75% figure in references 4,5+6. Could you let me know which section of which reference states this, or if it is a WP:CALC where the figures for this came from? SmartSE (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Makambako
- ... that Paul Theroux described Makambako as "not a town but a collection of hovels on stretch of paved road where idle people sat or stood"?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 11:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article looks OK. Quote is not quite worded the way it is in the book. Do you really want to use, for a DYK, such an "outsider's" perspective that provides quite a subjective, and negative, view of the city? Suggest an ALT hook that describes another aspect of Makambako. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 16:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the largest ethnic group in Makambako, Tanzania is the Kinga? --Rosiestep (talk) 03:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the town of Makambako, Tanzania has grown so quickly, there is talk of separating it into its own district? --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 21:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I prefer Rosie's hook, we'll go with that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Shiva Thapa
- ... that Indian boxer Shiva Thapa, who was inspired by Mike Tyson to take up the sport seriously, started practice at the age of seven in his living room?
Created by Mspraveen (talk). Self nom at 09:00, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- way too boring. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT ... that despite suffering from an injured fist, Indian boxer Shiva Thapa won a silver medal at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics? Mspraveen (talk) 12:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Simone Silva
- ... that when Simone Silva posed topless at the 1954 Cannes Film Festival, two photographers suffered broken limbs in the crush?
Created by Draggleduck (talk). Self nom at 08:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Do you want to make this a pictured hook? The picture can be of the subject in that topless pose. Given that the subject is deceased, the picture can be used with a non-free fair use rationale. The topless picture will surely attract more views, but is it agreeable to use such pictures on the main page? Here's my alternate pictured suggestion. Thoughts?
- ALT ... that when Simone Silva posed topless at the 1954 Cannes Film Festival, two photographers broke their limbs in the scramble to get the best pictures? Mspraveen (talk) 15:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- It can't be a pictured hook, since the main page can't use non-free images. Nor can this page, which is why DASHBot removed the file, leaving only a link. BencherliteTalk 21:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- non free images not allowed at DYK. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- I like the ALT hook, but Simone_Silva#Cannes_incident is way longer than the reference given, where did all the extra information come from? "the press loved it" sounds like original research to me. SmartSE (talk) 15:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- It can't be a pictured hook, since the main page can't use non-free images. Nor can this page, which is why DASHBot removed the file, leaving only a link. BencherliteTalk 21:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Don't Forget the Bacon!
- ... that the children's book Don't Forget the Bacon! was used in an education case study teaching students about reliability of spoken language?
Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 07:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Aboriginal title in the Marshall Court
- ... that that the two earliest aboriginal title cases decided by U.S. Chief Justice John Marshall (pictured) were examples of collusive litigation?
Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 07:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Internationalize, plz, and specify the U,S' chief justice. Circéus (talk) 07:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm fine with "U.S." in the hook, but there's no reason this article has to cover the whole world. In fact, I don't even know what that would mean. Marshall didn't decide any cases in other countries... It's a daughter article of Aboriginal title in the United States, which in turn is a daughter article of Aboriginal title. Savidan 06:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I just mean that the hook clearly assumes the reader knows what Marshall was a U.S. Supreme Court Judge, which is not, despite what one might think, common knowledge (I for one, was at first quite confused). It doesn't help that non-English speakers (and possibly English speakers outside North America) might associate "Aboriginal" with Australia. Circéus (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm fine with "U.S." in the hook, but there's no reason this article has to cover the whole world. In fact, I don't even know what that would mean. Marshall didn't decide any cases in other countries... It's a daughter article of Aboriginal title in the United States, which in turn is a daughter article of Aboriginal title. Savidan 06:01, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Internationalize, plz, and specify the U,S' chief justice. Circéus (talk) 07:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Broderick – Terry duel
- ... that the duel (pictured) between US senator David C. Broderick, of California, and ex-Chief Justice David S. Terry, of the Supreme Court of the same State, was fought on September 13, 1859?
- ALT1 ... that in 1859, ex-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California David S. Terry fatally wounded U.S. Senator David C. Broderick in a duel (pictured)?
Created by Mbz1 (talk) and Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- When did they stop having "gunfights" in the West, surely thats a more hooky word? Victuallers (talk) 12:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- It was the last one. Could you please clarify. Are you suggesting to change the word "duel" to the word "gunfight"?--Mbz1 (talk) 13:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, a duel is a great deal more formal than a simple gunfight, a duel is planned in advance and has a whole lot of very strict rules. Unless you consider a duel with pistols to be a subspecies of gunfight? Duels were an arrangement between gentlemen to settle a question of honor, duels were not a shootout between gunslingers.Invertzoo (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hm, I distinctly remember working on a hook pertaining to this subject before, although clearly it wasn't on this specific article (and I don't think it made it onto the front page). The date of the duel makes for a very weak hook. How about: ALT1 ... that in 1859, ex-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California David S. Terry killed U.S. Senator David C. Broderick in a duel? DS (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I like it better. I changed it a little bit and added as alternative. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hm, I distinctly remember working on a hook pertaining to this subject before, although clearly it wasn't on this specific article (and I don't think it made it onto the front page). The date of the duel makes for a very weak hook. How about: ALT1 ... that in 1859, ex-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California David S. Terry killed U.S. Senator David C. Broderick in a duel? DS (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Margot Leverett
- ... that clarinetist Margot Leverett started a band called the Klezmer Mountain Boys, which fuses bluegrass music with a traditional Jewish musical style called klezmer?
Created by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 02:06, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure about this. Isn't the reference just the band's official website? - PM800 (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good point. Added a reference for the hook. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not sure about this. Isn't the reference just the band's official website? - PM800 (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Contra Dam
- ... that James Bond's leap off of the 220 m (720 ft) high Contra Dam (pictured) in the 1995 film GoldenEye was voted in 2002 as the best film stunt ever?
5x/self-nom--NortyNort (Holla) 05:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- A few things I'm afraid: 1) For the hook, can a Sky Movies poll really be considered a reliable way to determine the best ever stunt? The hook could be trimmed of this if it isn't, yet remain interesting. 2) References 16, 18, 19 and 20 are not reliable sources so the content should be removed unless new references can be found. (I know this isn't a current DYK requirement, but based on what's going on, it looks like our standards are going to have to rise.) Can't see anything that looks like unsuitably close paraphrasing. SmartSE (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Frankism
- ... that Frankism, an 18th-century movement derived from Judaism, maintains that transgressing every boundary is one's most important personal responsibility?
5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 06:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 25
Jack Berntsen
- ... that Norwegian folk singer Jack Berntsen had a cultural prize named after him?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 11:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. Foreign language source accepted in good faith. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Le Roy House and Union Free School
- ... that the Le Roy House (pictured) in Le Roy, New York, was the site of Daniel Webster's second wedding reception?
- ALT1:... that the former Union Free School (pictured) in Le Roy, New York, is now a museum devoted to Jell-O?
- Comment: Cite for first hook is p. 17 of source document; second is p. 20
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 06:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Church of the Visitation of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Kraków
- ... that before departing from Kraków for his victorious Battle of Vienna against the Ottoman Empire, king Jan III Sobieski said his final prayers at the Carmelite Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary?
Created by Kallimach (talk), Polish29 (talk). Nominated by Polish29 (talk) at 18:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Sesame Street research
- ... that by 2001, there were over 1,000 research studies regarding the children's television show Sesame Street's efficacy, impact, and effect on American culture?
Created by User:Figureskatingfan (talk). Split off of part of another article, but content created by nominator. Self nom at 12:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Washington State Route 220
- ... that Washington State Route 220 was one of twelve highways removed from the Washington state highway system in 1991?
5x expanded by Admrboltz (talk). Self nom at 03:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Barrie, Cropping (punishment)
- ... that in 1538, Thomas Barrie was punished for spreading rumours about Henry VIII by having his ears cut off while in the pillory, later dying from shock?
Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- How about "having his ears cropped off?" --64.231.54.224 (talk) 07:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Matengo people, Matengo Highlands
- ... that the Matengo people are believed to have lived in southern Tanzania's Matengo Highlands since the Iron Age?
- Comment: The people article is an expansion; the geo article is new.
Created by Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 02:45, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- People expansion and date verified. Highlands length and date verified. Hook verified. Great work! --Cryptic C62 · Talk 03:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Phallus calongei
- ... that Phallus calongei is a Pakistani stinkhorn mushroom reported as new to science in 2009?
Created by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Can you think of a more interesting hook? I find this ok, but I suspect many people would say "why do I care?" SmartSE (talk) 11:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- ... that Phallus calongei is a pink-tipped phallic mushroom covered with greenish slime? Sasata (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- That's more like it, I've changed penis > phallic, but it needs mentioning in the description that it looks phallic. Do you think it's worth emailing Moreno to see if they might donate a photo? SmartSE (talk) 16:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Already emailed last week, but I wouldn't hold my breath; I haven't had any success yet with requesting pics. Will tweak the description soon. Sasata (talk) 17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Sasata (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. AGF for offline sources. I've had pretty good luck with images before, it certainly sounds like it would be an interesting photo for this article! SmartSE (talk) 22:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Done. Sasata (talk) 18:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Already emailed last week, but I wouldn't hold my breath; I haven't had any success yet with requesting pics. Will tweak the description soon. Sasata (talk) 17:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Easby Cross
- ... that a large fragment of the Northumbrian Easby Cross (triple view right) was over 1,000 years old when it was found built into a wall in a field?
5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 16:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- This had copyvio (and incorrect) material removed, reducing it to this, since when it has been expanded. But it is not 5x the copyvio version. I think such noms have been accepted in the past. Johnbod (talk) 16:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Do It Again (George Gershwin and Buddy DeSylva song)
- ... that Marilyn Monroe's 1952 live rendition of the George Gershwin and Buddy DeSylva song "Do It Again" before thousands of marines at Camp Pendleton caused a "near riot"?
Created by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good to go. - PM800 (talk) 11:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1956 Summer Olympics
- ... that the Melbourne Cricket Ground was the only venue of the 1956 Summer Olympics to be used as a venue of the 2000 Summer Olympics?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 15:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Cincinnati Riot of 1853
- … that the Cincinnati Riot of 1853 involved Germans objecting to the presence of an Italian preaching in French in the United States on Christmas Day?
This one is entirely Aymatth2's fault, as well. Uncle G (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Betty S. Murphy
- ... that Betty S. Murphy was the first woman to chair the National Labor Relations Board, though President Gerald Ford insisted she was chosen for her qualifications and not for her sex?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd prefer to take out the part about the President insisting she was chosen for her qualifications and not for her sex. There's nothing in the article that implies Murphy was chosen for the position just because she was a woman, and if Ford had implied that she was chosen for her sex instead of her qualifications, that would have been a tremendous gaffe. Including "though President Gerald Ford insisted she was chosen for her qualifications and not for her sex" in the hook would imply, to me at least, that Wikipedia is expressing doubt about her qualifications for the position. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- At the risk of being presumptuous, I will suggest the following:
- ALT: ... that Betty S. Murphy was the first woman to serve on and the first woman chair of the U.S. National Labor Relations Board, and the first woman to lead the Dept. of Labor's Wage and Hour Division? - Tim1965 (talk) 01:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Antlia Dwarf
- ... that the Antlia Dwarf galaxy (pictured) may have distorted the shape of its neighbour NGC 3109 one billion years ago?
5x expanded by Reyk (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hook reference, 5x expansion verified. You might add to the hook/article the fact that NGC 3109 is more massive than the Antlia Dwarf, according to the reference that you cited. James McBride (talk) 00:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Murray State Racers men's basketball
- ... that the Murray State Racers men's basketball program had its last losing season in 1987-88?
Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: this is the move to mainspace date. ~EDDY (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 23:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Christiane Kohl
- ... that soprano Christiane Kohl appeared at the Bayreuth Festival as the Rhinemaiden Woglinde in both Das Rheingold and Götterdämmerung?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Laxton's Superb (apple)
- ... that Laxton's Superb is an apple species crossed between the Wyken Pippin × Cox's Orange Pippin by the Victorian plant breeder Thomas Laxton in 1897 in the town of Bedford, England?
Created by Bankhallbretherton (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- It's shorter than 1,500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 19:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have added to the article to bump up the character count, is this now sufficient? I have added more relevant information for the species and the growing and how it supports bees. Bankhallbretherton (talk) 23:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
William G. Thompson
- ... that Detroit mayor William G. Thompson was considerably pummeled in a sensational public fight with his brother-in-law, who accused him of talking about his wife in barrooms?
5x expanded by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 20:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- The scurrilous claims in this nom are supported by none other than the Grey Lady herself. :) Andrew Jameson (talk) 20:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Pavor Nocturnus (Sanctuary)
- ... that the idea behind "Pavor Nocturnus", a second season episode of the Canadian television series Sanctuary came from the 2007 film I Am Legend?
Created by Matthew R Dunn (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Austroplatypus incompertus
- ... that Austroplatypus incompertus is a species of weevil that farms fungus and lives eusocially in small colonies that can be more than 35 years old?
Created by John Stephen Dwyer (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Austroplatypus incompertus forms eusocial colonies in the heartwood of some Eucalyptus trees and was the first beetle to be recognized as being eusocial? --209.6.3.22 (talk) 04:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT1 is verified and more interesting than the original. I changed is>was as I can't be 100% certain that others haven't been discovered since '92, although E O Wilson wrote in 2008 that this was the only example. I also added eusocial before colonies to ALT1. SmartSE (talk) 11:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Added that it is only some Eucalypts that get infested (there are 700 species after all). SmartSE (talk) 11:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Church of St. Mary of the Spring (Istanbul)
- ... that the Sanctuary of Saint Mary of the Spring (pictured) in Istanbul constitutes since almost fifteen hundred years one of the most important pilgrimage sites of Greek Orthodoxy?
Created by Alex2006 (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 12:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- I can verify that (AGF) no problem, but how about a more catchy hook? I could suggest something that includes our lad Simeon burning the church and his son Peter getting married there a few years later (something I did not know that I found very curious), but I'm not sure how much of a conflict of interest I have :) Nice article, by the way! — Toдor Boжinov — 15:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Agree with Todor. A royal wedding always makes for good headlines! ;) Constantine ✍ 16:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, alright then, here it is... I'm not perfectly happy with the wording, but feel free to edit and reword :) There's one more too. — Toдor Boжinov — 19:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that even though Simeon I of Bulgaria burned the Church of St. Mary of the Spring near the Byzantine capital Constantinople, his son Peter married the daughter of Romanos I Lekapenos there three years later?
- ALT2: ... that each Byzantine empress coming to Constantinople for her wedding was received by her future spouse in the Monastery of the Spring?
- Alex suggested a very interesting hook that he as the author would prefer, so here's my attempt to make it concise enough: — Toдor Boжinov — 10:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that according to a legend, a monk at the Monastery of the Spring near Constantinople only believed the conquest of the city after the frying fishes in his pan came to life and jumped in the water?
- Then let's go with ALT3! Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 11:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Paul Stagg, Amos Alonzo Stagg, Jr.
- ... that legendary college football coach Amos Alonzo Stagg had two sons, Amos, Jr. and Paul, who both played quarterback for him at the University of Chicago and each went on to become football coaches themselves, leading teams against one another at Moravian College and Susquehanna University in 1935 and 1936?
Created by Jweiss11 (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Both articles are below the 1500 character minimum.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd like to see a source for "legendary" – I can't find one in any of the (three) biographical articles linked in the hook. matt (talk) 08:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- How about "Hall of Fame" (i.e. College Football Hall of Fame and Basketball Hall of Fame) instead of "legendary". Jweiss11 (talk) 08:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International
- ... that Michele Bachmann and Tom Emmer will appear in My War, a documentary about the Christian youth ministry You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International?
Created by Gobonobo (talk). Self nom at 08:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Both Bachmann and Emmer are current candidates for office, so I would advise that this DYK not run until November 3 or later (when the election will be over). But at the current pace that DYK hooks are being processed and running, that shouldn't be a problem, as long as nobody tries to put this hook on a faster track than usual. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Ogden H. Hammond
- ... that Ogden H. Hammond (pictured), the father of New Jersey congresswoman Millicent Fenwick, survived the sinking of the RMS Lusitania, though his wife did not?
Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 06:11, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. Royalbroil 00:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Driving club
- … that one of the earliest driving clubs in Britain, the Bensington Driving Club, was also called the Black and White Club, after the Black Dog and White Hart public houses where it met?
Me again. Uncle G (talk) 01:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Right and Left
- ... that Winslow Homer's painting Right and Left (pictured) was named by a hunter who recognized the sportsman's achievement of killing two birds in succession with a double-barreled shotgun?
Created by JNW (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- A very important and interesting new article. Offline hook accepted in good faith. Great job in going above and beyond the call of duty to make the article much better than necessary for a DYK. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment. I've added an online cite that helps a bit, though it doesn't specify that the viewer was a hunter. Perhaps a bit more research.... JNW (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
The Ballad of Molly Mogg
- ... that "The Ballad of Molly Mogg" was "writ by two or three men of wit" – John Gay, Alexander Pope and Dean Swift – while sheltering from a storm?
Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 10:33, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Monark Springs, Missouri
- ... that a typhoid outbreak was caused by a church meeting in Monark Springs, Missouri?
5x expanded by Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Intelati (talk) at 18:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please write the expanded article name in boldface and make the hook link to that article. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please address the {{citation needed}} in the lead. Goodvac (talk) 05:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 26
Violette Lecoq
- ... that the drawings of Violette Lecoq from her experiences in the Ravensbrück concentration camp were used as evidence at the trials in 1946?
Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 12:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Janis Martin (soprano)
- ... that soprano Janis Martin appeared at the Bayreuth Festival in three roles of Wagner's Die Walküre?
Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Game Sprockets
- ... that Apple introduced Game Sprockets in 1996 to improve game development on the Mac OS, but \ cancelled development only a year later?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 22:34, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Holland Island
- ... that Holland Island, currently underwater at high tide, used to be one of the largest inhabited islands in the Chesapeake Bay?
- Comment: Article created as a redirect in 2007 with a lighthouse page, but all content is new starting from October 26.
Created by Slincoln (talk), Fiftytwo thirty (talk). Nominated by Fiftytwo thirty (talk) at 21:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Id Gah Mosque
- ... that after the Third Anglo-Afghan War in 1919, Amir Amanullah announced Afghanistan's independence from Id Gah Mosque in Kabul?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Img added.-- N.V.V. Char Talk . 20:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Harvard Crimson football
- ... that the Harvard Crimson football team (home stadium pictured) has won 12 national championships and is the eighth winningest team in college football history?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Emery Point Light
- ... that Emery Point Light, an active lighthouse at Larrakeyah Barracks, near Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia, was the only navigational aid to remain functional in the path of Cyclone Tracy?
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Platz der Luftbrücke
- ... that the Berlin Airlift Monument in Platz der Luftbrücke, Berlin, has an exact counterpart reaching towards it at Frankfurt Airport and a smaller replica at Celle Air Base?
Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Eagle Square, part of Platz der Luftbrücke, is named for the head of the eagle from over the main entrance to Tempelhof Airport, which was returned from the West Point museum? Yngvadottir (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Hemmema, Turuma, Pojama, Udema, Archipelago fleet, Fredrik Henrik af Chapman
- ... that the hemmema, the turuma, the pojama and the udema were four types of warships designed by naval architect Fredrik Henrik Chapman (pictured) for the Swedish Archipelago Fleet in the 18th century?
(alt.hook1):... that the hemmema, the turuma, the pojama and the udema, four types of warships in the Swedish Archipelago Fleet built in the 18th century, were named after places in Finland?
- (alt.hook2, 6-in-1):... that the hemmema, turuma, pojama and udema, four types of warships designed by naval architect Fredrik Henrik af Chapman (pictured) for the Swedish Archipelago Fleet in the 18th century, were named after provinces in Finland?
Created / Expanded by Peter Isotalo (talk) & MoRsE (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 11:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: [1] Does anyone want to quickly expand Chapman's wikibio to make a sextuple-DYK hook? [2] I'm hiding "af" in Chapman's name because I ain't sure if he had that 'af' added yet at the time these warships were built. --PFHLai (talk) 11:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC) [3] I have asked the authors for more footnotes. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- This is an historical person, so that he wasn't yet ennobled when he designed those ships is irrelevant. All the references are to past events, and as such WP:COMMONNAME should be adhered to. It might be relevant to change forms in the article itself, but in a mainpage blurb it seems merely confusing.
- I'll see what I can do about expanding the bio, but doubling the size will require some effort, though I believe the hook should contain a link to Chapman even if it's not bolded.
- Peter Isotalo 16:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fredrik Henrik af Chapman is now 5x-expanded. Thank you. I have put in the new {DYKmake} templates, and a long 6-in-1 hook with Chaman's fullname. --PFHLai (talk) 11:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Archipelago Fleet#History and Fredrik Henrik af Chapman#Architectura Navalis Mercatoria could use some footnotes. Otherwise, this sextuple-DYK looks ready. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:49, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Just added notes to both. I'll try to work in a bit more on Chapman's later life before anything goes on the mainpage.
- Peter Isotalo 13:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Robert Wilson (tenor)
- ... that Robert Wilson was a principal tenor with the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company in the 1930s before beginning a 25-year concert, variety and radio career?
Created by Ssilvers (talk), Tony164 (talk). Nominated by Ssilvers (talk) at 06:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Chuncheon Marathon
- ... that the Chuncheon Marathon is one of two in the country which holds IAAF Silver Label status?
- ALT1:... that the Chuncheon Marathon didn't become an international event until 1995?
- ALT2: ... that the first Chuncheon Marathon was held in 1946 – a year after Korea was liberated from the Japanese empire?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Phokas (Byzantine family)
- ... that various authors speculate that the Byzantine aristocratic Phokas family are of Arab, ancient Roman, Armenian or Georgian origin?
Created by Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 04:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Byzantine Phokas family produced six Domestics of the Schools (commander-in-chiefs of the Byzantine army) and one emperor in the space of one century? Constantine ✍ 13:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Link added to Nikephoros II Phokas. Nyttend (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Dick Miles
- ... that having won 10 national championships in the sport, The New York Times called Dick Miles "perhaps the greatest table tennis player the United States has ever produced"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Oral Hildebrand
- ... that All-Star pitcher Oral Hildebrand led Butler University to the 1929 national championship in basketball?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 03:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Pete Grannis
- ... that the firing of New York State Department of Environmental Conservation commissioner Pete Grannis by Governor Paterson in October 2010 caused a firestorm of protest from environmentalists?
5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 00:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
1835 Concepción earthquake
- ... that Charles Darwin experienced the 1835 Concepción earthquake, describing the effects of both the earthquake and the subsequent tsunami?
5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Blair-Dunning House
- ... that the Blair-Dunning House (pictured) in Bloomington was owned by three different Indiana state representatives?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 21:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Sources are split on this: see the end of the "Early history" section for two representatives, and the end of the "Recognition" for the third. Nyttend (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the Blair-Dunning House (pictured) in Bloomington was the home of the only politician to hold every elected legislative and executive office in Indiana's government? Nyttend (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Source for this is at the end of the "Recognition" section. Nyttend (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Peter Bossman
- ... that Peter Bossman, the major of Piran, Slovenia, was the first black person to be elected major in the former Yugoslavia?
Created by Tone (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, I just nominated this myself, completely missed your nomination! Sorry about that, I've removed my nomination. The wording I suggested was:
- ... that Peter Bossman, born in Ghana, has been elected by the people of Piran to become Slovenia's first black mayor?"
- Whichever wording is used is fine with me. The Celestial City (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Probably your wording is better. And thanks for all the work on the article ;-) --Tone 07:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, no problem, thank you for starting it in the first place! Also, you managed to get to find out a lot of information I wasn't able to, like his birthdate and so on :-) The Celestial City (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Probably your wording is better. And thanks for all the work on the article ;-) --Tone 07:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
North Haven Mall
- ... that the Mayor of New Haven's contacting the Army Corps of Engineers to stop the aborted North Haven Mall in the 1970s has been compared to the city of Milford opposing the construction of the aborted New Haven Galleria at Long Wharf in the 1990s?
Created by Needscurry (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Aylesbury duck
- ... that newly hatched Aylesbury ducks (pictured) were traditionally fed on toast, boiled eggs, rice, beef liver, greaves and boiled horses or sheep?
5x expanded by Iridescent (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Nice work! Good to go. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 03:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Leo Cullum
- ... that a Leo Cullum cartoon published in the first illustrated issue of The New Yorker printed after the September 11 attacks had the caption "I thought I'd never laugh again. Then I saw your jacket"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Alexei Kudrin
- ... that Alexei Kudrin (pictured) was declared "Finance Minister of the Year 2010" by Euromoney magazine?
5x expanded by Offliner (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Colonia Tabacalera
- ... that Fidel Castro and Che Guevara met in Colonia Tabacalera, Mexico City?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 17:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Allan Rumbolt
- ... that in the 2008 Nunavut general election, candidate Allan Rumbolt achieved the lowest winning plurality of any candidate in any electoral district?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Frerea
- ... that the succulent plant Frerea indica (pictured) was once on a list of the twelve most endangered plants on earth?
Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good from here. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 23:45, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Ælfric Cild
- ... that Anglo-Saxon nobleman Ælfric Cild (floruit 975-985) married into the powerful family of Ælfhere, ealdorman of Mercia, and succeeded him in office before being expelled by the end of two years, leaving Mercia without ealdorman for nearly ten years.
5x expanded by Cavila (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Taunton Town F.C.
- ... that in 1979 Taunton Town F.C. moved from the Southern section of the Southern Football League to the Midlands section due to the opening of the M5 motorway?
5x expanded by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Walter Roland
- ... that between 1933 and 1935, the American blues and boogie-woogie pianist and singer Walter Roland, recorded around fifty songs for Banner Records?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good to go. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 03:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Diggers & Dealers
- ... that, during the annual Diggers & Dealers conference, many Kalgoorlie residents rent out their homes and go on holidays?
Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 09:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Emperor of Exmoor
- ... that the Emperor of Exmoor, a red deer (Cervus elaphus) stag shot in October 2010, was believed to be Britain's largest wild land animal?
Created by Chzz (talk). Nominated by Kevin McE (talk) at 09:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
ALT1 "... that the red stag Emperor of Exmoor" was Britain's largest known wild land animal with a mass of over 300 pounds (136 kg) and height of almost 9 feet (2.74 m)?" Jolly Ω Janner 18:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article is currently at AfD. BencherliteTalk 21:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm certain that the AfD will be unsuccessfull. If any one wants to review it for DYK, please go ahead. Jolly Ω Janner 22:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Assuming the AfD gets snowed as it should, good to go. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 22:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: I just closed the AfD as "speedy keep". --Pgallert (talk) 09:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Just a note the only reason I didn't nominate this myself yet was, I was trying to get us a piccie. I see someone has now added a non-free one; I wrote to both League Against Cruel Sports and the photographer Richard Austin; League replied, and they don't have any suitably licenced pics; I haven't heard back from Mr. Austin yet. Chzz ► 22:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Measurements on ALT text are based purely on estimate: the corpse was removed unmeasured, and there is no record that the animal was ever trapped for research. Kevin McE (talk) 07:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd avoid definite statements like ALT1's "was...the largest animal" - you may find sources that say that he was, but they seem to be journalistic manglings of an original statement along the lines of "he seems to be the biggest one we've seen in Exmoor, and the pasture there is as good as any red deer habitat, so he's got a good shot at being the biggest red deer in Britain". As has been said, he was never measured, so you can't really use words like "known" to indicate certainty - and also there may be bigger animals that are "known" to their landowners, but which the latter choose not to publicise, to prevent either poaching or the recent problems seen with tourists disrupting the New Forest rut. So I'd prefer the original hook, or something similar that emphasises the uncertainty. Le Deluge (talk) 09:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- There's also some doubt whether he was killed at all, or whether the whole thing was a bluff to try to deflect attention. Le Deluge (talk) 23:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- In which case the blurb would have to become "... that the Emperor of Exmoor, a red deer (Cervus elaphus) stag reported to have been shot in October 2010, was believed to be Britain's largest wild land animal?", which, frankly, scarcely merits inclusion at all. If all we can report is two uncertainties, I would like to withdraw the nomination, but does support since then preclude it? Kevin McE (talk) 09:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think you're allowed to change your mind based on a change in the underlying facts. <g> A solution might be just to drop all mention of the death, so that the hook merely says he was probably the biggest land animal. That would work. Le Deluge (talk) 10:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- In which case the blurb would have to become "... that the Emperor of Exmoor, a red deer (Cervus elaphus) stag reported to have been shot in October 2010, was believed to be Britain's largest wild land animal?", which, frankly, scarcely merits inclusion at all. If all we can report is two uncertainties, I would like to withdraw the nomination, but does support since then preclude it? Kevin McE (talk) 09:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- There's also some doubt whether he was killed at all, or whether the whole thing was a bluff to try to deflect attention. Le Deluge (talk) 23:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would very much like this article to appear as a DYK. It was major national and international news, concerning what - regardless of your own speculation - has been widely reported as the shooting of the largest living land animal in the UK. I'm happy for the tag to be tweaked to meet requirements, but surely this is a perfectly valid DYK article.
- Sadly, I'm now on a wiki-break, so I may be unable to find time to argue the case; please could others consider this for DYK. Chzz ► 18:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT3 (or whatever number this is) ... that the death of the Emperor of Exmoor, a red stag (Cervus elaphus) once believed to be the largest wild land animal in Britain, has been called "a myth" due to its unusual circumstances?
- ALT4 ... that several MPs have signed an Early Day Motion to stop hunters from killing wild animals in Britain after the supposed death of the Emperor of Exmoor, a red stag (Cervus elaphus)?
- For the last one, would "an incident involving" be better than "the supposed death of"? /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
SS Empire Conveyor
- ... that Empire Conveyor was the only ship sunk by U-122?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 08:25, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Size, age, hook fine. Hook cited. Good to go. Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Mary J. Rathbun
- ... that Mary J. Rathbun described over 1000 new crustacean taxa, but only received her Ph.D. after her retirement?
5x expanded by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 07:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Size and age fine. Hook is in lead but unreferenced. Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- There is, however, a citation in the section Publications, for the sentence "She wrote or co-wrote ... descriptions of 1147 new species ... as well as other nomenclatural novelties.", and another citation (to the same paper) for "In 1915, after her retirement, the Smithsonian Institution designated Rathbun an "Honorary Research Associate" ... ; she qualified for a Ph.D. at George Washington University in 1917." in the section Biography. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Per WP:WIADYK: "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation". Please amend. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- This hook comprises two facts, and each fact complies fully with WP:WIADYK. From the point of view of the article, it would not make sense to combine the two, although they combine well for a DYK hook, in my opinion. I respectfully request a second opinion. --Stemonitis (talk) 05:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think it is fine as it is, the thousand species are mentioned in the lead, but then referenced later on. Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Additional_rules#Other_additional_rules_for_the_article D2 says it is fine to do this. Should 1000 be changed to one thousand though? Smartse (talk) 12:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- OK then. Ready. Adabow (talk · contribs) 03:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Brooke Fraser discography
- ... that all three albums by Brooke Fraser (pictured) debuted at number one on the New Zealand Albums Chart?
- Comment: Another image is available if this one is not appropriate
Created by Adabow (talk). Self nom at 07:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- If the hook is not accompanied by an image, can the hook be ALT1:
- ALT1:that all three of Brooke Fraser's albums debuted at number one on the New Zealand Albums Chart?
- If the hook is not accompanied by an image, can the hook be ALT1:
Sanctuary of Atotonilco
- ... that the Sanctuary of Atotonilco (main nave pictured) in Guanajuato, Mexico has been called the Sistine Chapel of Mexico?
Created by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 02:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ready (offline ref). Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on October 27
Michael Tabor (Black Panther)
- ... that after Michael Tabor and Richard Moore fled to Algeria while on trial for an alleged bomb plot, Black Panther Party leader Huey P. Newton called them "enemies of the people"?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
SS Utopia
- ... that after the ocean liner SS Utopia collided with the battleship HMS Anson, resulting in 564 deaths in the Bay of Gibraltar in 1891, the partly submerged wreckage caused another collision soon after?
Created by East of Borschov (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
List of 1956 Winter Olympics medal winners
- ... that two Soviet speed skaters tied for first place and won gold in the same event at the 1956 Winter Olympics?
- Comment: Moved to mainspace Oct 27.
Created by Courcelles (talk). Nominated by Strange Passerby (talk) at 00:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Newton, Derbyshire
- ... that although there are 87 places in England that are called Newton there is only one that is called Newton in Derbyshire?
5x expanded by Davebevis (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 22:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Sir Haydn (locomotive), Edward Thomas (locomotive)
- ... that Talyllyn Railway locomotives No. 3 Sir Haydn and No. 4 Edward Thomas both hold the unusual distinction of carrying the same number though the ownership of four different railway companies?
Created by Peterjhw07 (talk). 5x expanded and nominated by Tivedshambo (talk) at 22:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Talyllyn Railway locomotives No. 3 Sir Haydn and No. 4 Edward Thomas both hold the unusual distinction of carrying the same number though the ownership of four different railway companies? (Suggested by User:Mjroots) — Tivedshambo (t/c) 17:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Heli-Sport CH-7, Augusto Cicaré
- ... that the cabin of the Heli-Sport CH-7 (pictured) was designed by the creator of the Lamborghini Countach, while the helicopter's frame is the work of one of Argentina's foremost inventors?
Created by TSRL (talk), The Bushranger (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 22:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Sempronius Stretton
- ... that Sempronius Stretton, who sketched people in early Canada (pictured) was painted at the Duke of Wellington's annual banquet celebrating their victory at Waterloo?
Created/expanded by Andrewrabbott (talk), Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 10:20, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- The following hook for the same article was nominated by Andrewrabbott under October 28. I've moved it here as an ALT. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 07:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Sempronius Stretton is credited with producing some of the earliest images of Toronto? Andrewrabbott (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Made the first nom into a double using William Salter (artist) expansion Victuallers (talk) 09:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
P. C. Ramakrishna
- ... that voice artist P. C. Ramakrishna acted in the 1969 Madras Players theatre production The Crucible?
Created by SPat (talk). Self nom at 08:42, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Riding with the King (B. B. King and Eric Clapton album)
- ... that Riding with the King was a collaborative album by B.B. King and Eric Clapton (pictured) that won them a Grammy Award in 2001?
- ALT1:... that Riding with the King was the first collaborative album by B.B. King and Eric Clapton (pictured), and it won them a Grammy Award in 2001?
- Comment: DYKcheck reports no 5x expansion, but 5.8 (4338/738) has been achieved.
5x expanded by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 06:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Polly Rosenbaum
- ... that Arizona's longest-serving state legislator, Polly Rosenbaum, left the Arizona House at age 95 after 45 years because she didn't get re-elected?
Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC) Three more candidate hooks:
- ALT1: ... that Polly Rosenbaum's accomplishments in the Arizona state legislature included eliminating spittoons and miniskirted pages from the state House of Representatives?
- ALT2: ... that two state government buildings in Phoenix, Arizona, are named for Polly Rosenbaum?
- ALT3: ... that Arizona state legislator Polly Rosenbaum worked to rid the state constitution of language that discriminated against women, but voted against the Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? --Orlady (talk) 03:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
--Orlady (talk) 03:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT4: ... that Polly Rosenbaum's accomplishments in her 45 years in Arizona's state legislature included eliminating spittoons and miniskirted pages from the state House of Representatives? (a subtle rewording) DS (talk) 13:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion! I would have linked "pages" to an appropriate article, if one existed. Unfortunately, DragonflySixtyseven's link isn't quite right for this purpose. The lengthy article United States House of Representatives Page is exclusively about pages in the federal legislature in Washington, DC. The pages in legislatures in individual U.S. states have no association with the Congressional page program. The disambiguation page called "page" is the closest thing I have found to an article about pages in U.S. state legislatures; I linked to it in the article, but I don't think a DYK hook should link to a disambiguation page. --Orlady (talk) 20:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Fénix capsules
- ... that one of the Fénix capsules (Fénix 2 capsule pictured) was used for the rescue of 33 miners trapped underground, in the San José Mine of Copiapó, Chile?
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. Hook citation (en espanol) appears to be good. Suggest find English lang. source for future? The Interior(Talk) 20:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Applebay Zuni
- ... that in 1982 the pilot of a Applebay Zuni II glider earned eight FAI gliding badges (Gold badge pictured) in a single flight?
Created by Petebutt (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 23:31, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Pamela Jiles (journalist)
- ... that Chilean journalist Pamela Jiles announced her presidential candidacy using the slogan "We are millions, the idiots"?
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- New enough and long enough, but the link in the hook's reference appears to be broken. I also think that the article needs some cleanup. - PM800 (talk) 07:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed, it needs some cleanup. The El Clarín link works fine to me, but I have added a further reference, including a quote. --Diego Grez (talk) 18:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- The new reference checks out. The slogan appears to be a play on her own name. - PM800 (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes. "Jil" (or "gil", means the same thing) means "idiot, jerk" in Chilean Spanish [2], so it must have been kind of intentional Diego Grez (talk) 01:10, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Clio Awards
- ... that the 1991 Clio Awards presentation is known as "The Most Bizarre Event in Advertising History"?
- ALT1:... that the Clio Awards, which celebrated 50 years in 2009, have been described as the Academy Awards of the Advertising Industry?
5x expanded by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 20:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd suggest rewording ALT1 to "...have been described as the Academy Awards of the Advertising Industry", as (unless I'm mistaken from quickly scanning through the reference) they're not in any way connected. matt (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2: that after the debacle of the 1991 Clio Awards presentation, during which a crowd of attendees stormed the stage and grabbed award statuettes, the 1992 Awards had less than 1/4 the number of entries as the 1990 awards? DS (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
S. Neil Fujita
- ... that graphic designer S. Neil Fujita created iconic covers for such books as Truman Capote's In Cold Blood and Mario Puzo's The Godfather?
Created by Bongomatic (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 19:47, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting hook. It's ready. - PM800 (talk) 11:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Orchids, My Intersex Adventure
- ... that the autobiographical film Orchids, My Intersex Adventure (which is about an intersexed woman) won a 2010 ATOM Award for Best Documentary(General)?
Created by Ellemueller (talk). Nominated by Shearonink (talk) at 18:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1960 Winter Olympics
- ... that the Squaw Valley Ski Resort is the only venue of the 1960 Winter Olympics still in use as of 2010?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Shipton Solars
- ... that in 1883 St Mary's Church, Shipton Solars, Gloucestershire, (pictured) was being used as a cow shed?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Booker T. Laury
- ... that American boogie-woogie pianist Booker T. Laury appeared in two films, but did not record his debut album until he was almost eighty years of age?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 14:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and sourcing for article and hook all check out. Alansohn (talk) 22:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Wendall Woodbury
- ... that Wendall Woodbury was the first television anchor in the United States to report on the unfolding Three Mile Island accident in 1979?
Created by Scanlan (talk). Self nom at 12:40, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and sourcing for article and hook have been confirmed. Alansohn (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Solungen
- ... that after the newspaper Solungen was merged into Glommendalens Social-Demokrat from 1915, the successor of the latter newspaper legally blocked the use of the newspaper name Avisa Solungen in 2008?
5x expanded by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Troughman
Created by Fifelfoo (talk). Self nom at 10:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I tried searching for a picture, but it is probably highly culturally specific and unintelligible at 100px Fifelfoo (talk) 10:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. AGF for paywalled hook source. I'm not sure we need a pic of this one! The Interior(Talk) 19:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Alliance, Alberta
- ... that the first church service in the village of Alliance, Alberta was held in a pool hall, with most of the congregation seated on pool tables?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length, expansion and sourcing for article and hook have been verified. Alansohn (talk) 22:09, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Klaxons discography
- ... that alternative rock band Klaxons' (pictured) records have charted in multiple countries worldwide?
5x expanded by SteelersFan UK06 (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- appr. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Olga Ivinskaya
- ... that Olga Ivinskaya (pictured), the mistress of Boris Pasternak, was the inspiration for the heroine of Dr. Zhivago?
Created by Comte0 (talk). Self nom at 09:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- refs come after punctuation, not before. Pls fix. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've taken the liberty of fixing the punctuation issue. - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 00:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've just made sure there's two spaces after full stops. It should be good now. Comte0 (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- The "two spaces after a full stop" guideline is an outdated leftover from way back in the day when typewriters were more commonly used. There is no need to do so anymore, and the second space is ignored by most browser rendering engines. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've just made sure there's two spaces after full stops. It should be good now. Comte0 (talk) 06:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- appr. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
1973 Syrian General Staff Headquarters Raid
- ... that during the Yom Kippur War, the Israeli Air Force carried out the Syrian General Staff Headquarters Raid after northern Israel had been struck by FROGs?
Created by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 22:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
- For clarification to other Users, the new article is 1973 Syrian General Staff Headquarters Raid. Poliocretes, Please put the link to the new article in boldface. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 23:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 28
NSB B5
- ... that asbestos found in B5 coaches during renovation has caused an arbitration between the Norwegian State Railways and Bombardier Transportation?
Created by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
SS Vestris
- ... that over 110 people were killed when SS Vestris (pictured) sank in 1928?
Created by Sladew (talk). Nominated by Mjroots (talk) at 06:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length, date, and sources check out. - PM800 (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
De-Ba'athification
- ... that the controversial Iraq De-Ba'athification policy banned anyone affiliated with the Ba'ath Party from working in the public sector?
Created by Amfarr21 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 22:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1960 Summer Olympics
- ... that the venue for the 1960 Summer Olympic marathon event included the Appian Way, finished at the Arch of Constantine, and was lit at night by Italian soldiers holding torches?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 19:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. First online citation is good, AGF for second offline reference. The Interior(Talk) 20:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Martha Lipton
- ... that mezzo-soprano opera singer Martha Lipton appeared 401 times during her career at the Metropolitan Opera?
- ALT-1: ... that mezzo-soprano opera singer Martha Lipton performed 401 times at the Metropolitan Opera?
Created by Dylanfromthenorth (talk). Nominated by Redfarmer (talk) at 17:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Two suggested changes: replace "appeared" with "performed", and get rid of "during her career". Clarityfiend (talk) 04:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
The Last Train From Hiroshima
... that The New York Times Book Review described The Last Train From Hiroshima as "John Hersey infused with Richard Preston and a fleck of Michael Crichton"?
- ALT1:... that Henry Holt and Company discontinued the printing of The Last Train From Hiroshima after members of the 509th Composite Group questioned the authenticity of the book?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Nominated by Secret Saturdays (talk) at 03:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the nom! I had been thinking that there might be a companion article, but never got around to it. Both hooks are fine, but ALT1 better captures the article and the controversy. Alansohn (talk) 03:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Your welcome. In that case, I withdraw my original hook. Secret Saturdays (talk to me)what's new? 04:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Mayor of Porirua, Jenny Brash, Nick Leggett
- ... the Nick Leggett, the Mayor of Porirua who succeeded Jenny Brash, is currently the youngest mayor in New Zealand?
- Comment: All three articles are new, but Jenny Brash is the 'oldest' of them from 28 October, hence I list this nomination here.
Created by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Given that we have three articles to review here, maybe the review task can be broken down by article, and another one for the hook:Schwede66 03:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Mayor of Porirua
- Nick Leggett
- Jenny Brash
- hook fact
Adaptive Vehicle Make
- ... that the Adaptive Vehicle Make program plans to use crowdsourcing and an open source design rapidly develop an infantry fighting vehicle (pictured) in the span of 30 months?
Created by Marcus Qwertyus (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. Hook sentence in article has no inline citation. Assuming the ref used in the following sentence will be used, please provide a page #, as it is a 60 page PDF. The Interior(Talk) 19:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- P. 39. Made a few tweaks to the hook to clarify that the design is open source but the license is not. Marcus Qwertyus 23:11, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Sirocco (Kakapo)
- ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered flightless parrot, gained fame for attempting to mate with a television presenter?
Created by Chris Pitt (talk). Nominated by Avenue (talk) at 01:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've just spotted this wee gem on DYK. It's been nominated under 28 Oct, but it was created on 22 October, so I'm shifting it to here. Technically, it's too old for DYK. However, I'd like to draw attention of other editors to the additional rule D9. And if you want to have a good laugh, follow the biography link in the infobox to watch the YouTube clip of the mating incident. Absolutely hilarious. Schwede66 02:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- It's not actually too old. It was created in userspace on the 22nd, but was only moved to mainspace on the 28th. (Here's the diff.) --Avenue (talk) 07:44, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fame is subjective. Suggest changing "gained fame for" to "was caught on video". And maybe linking "mate" to "Mating". --64.231.54.224 (talk) 06:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps fame is subjective, but two of the cited sources use that specific word to describe the reputation he's achieved. I don't think we need to completely neuter the language we use here. Mentioning the footage is a good idea, though. How about the following expanded hook? --Avenue (talk) 08:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered flightless parrot, gained fame when he was caught on video attempting to mate with a television presenter?
- { the date confusion is why people should copy/paste out of userspace, not move. Technically it should be under 28 Oct but eh. I don't think I could have just let the bird do that to me, that guy was very calm during that. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a little iffy about describing Mark Carwardine as a "television presenter". How about: ALT2 ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered kakapo parrot, gained fame when he was caught on video attempting to mate with the back of a zoologist's head? DS (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I take your point about Carwardine being primarily a zoologist. I wonder if getting into the anatomy bogs it down in unnecessary detail, but will leave that to wiser heads than mine. --Avenue (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- On second thought, I think it adds enough interest to be worth mentioning. --Avenue (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't spot the move date in the history file. My mistake and my apologies. Have thus put it back under the correct date. Schwede66 17:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a little iffy about describing Mark Carwardine as a "television presenter". How about: ALT2 ... that Sirocco (pictured), an endangered kakapo parrot, gained fame when he was caught on video attempting to mate with the back of a zoologist's head? DS (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Pomegranate production in Afghanistan
- ... that some leading botanists believe that Afghanistan (pictured) is the birthplace of pomegranate cultivation?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- length, creation date, hook citation all verified. Minor issues: "finest" in last sentence of lead should be changed for neutrality. Images need formatting (cluttering section headings) Perhaps one too many photos for article of this length? (good article - I'm going to find some Afghan pomegranates for lunch) The Interior(Talk) 20:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Bay Thrush
- ... that the Mysterious Bird of Ulieta has variously been considered a thrush, a starling and a honeyeater?
Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 11:23, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- length and creation date verified. Hook citation is also good. Minor word-choice concern put forth on the discussion page. The Interior(Talk) 02:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Samangan, Samangan Province, Khulm River
- ... that Samangan (Aybak), the capital of Samangan Province (pictured), lies on the Khulm River?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 11:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Expanded Samangan and Samangan Province, Khulm River is a new article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Liu Tianyou
- ... that Chinese sport shooter Liu Tianyou won his first gold medal at the Men's 10 m Air Rifle event in the 2006 Asian Games, the same year that China dominated the Games, winning 16 out of 20 gold medals on the first official day of competition?
Created by User:Hongkongresdient (talk). Self nom at 10:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Film studies
- ... that film studies are less concerned with filmmaking than with exploring the narrative, artistic, cultural, economic, and political implications of the cinema?
5x expanded by Joko123nm (talk). Self nom at 03:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Character count does not show 5X expansion of prose. Count on Oct 19 = 2625 Current character count = 5645 Required for 5X = 13, 125. The Interior(Talk) 02:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Please count from the revision of Oct 10, when the creator started to expand the article. I see about 10X expansion from that period. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I can't. DYK eligibility requires 5x expansion in the last five days. Sorry. The Interior(Talk) 18:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
1855 Ansei Edo earthquake
- ... that in the aftermath of the 1855 Ansei Edo earthquake large numbers of prints were produced depicting the mythological giant catfish Namazu (example pictured)?
5x expanded by Mikenorton (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Tosh Powell
- ... that Welsh bantamweight champion Tosh Powell died from a brain hemorrhage after a boxing match in Liverpool, at the age of 20?
Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at FruitMonkey (talk) 19:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Cylindrocline lorencei
- ... that after Cylindrocline lorencei became extinct, and the only surviving seeds would not germinate, the plant was brought back from extinction through in vitro culture of part of the seed embryo?
Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 18:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: the hook is referenced in article footnotes #2 (in French) and #3 (9 Mb .pdf). First Light (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article and date check out. There is only one minor issue that I can see: "saved" is not the best word here, as it implies the species was not already extinct. Perhaps "brought back" or some variation thereof would be better? Intelligentsium 23:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I changed it to "brought back" - good suggestion. First Light (talk) 23:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- If it could be brought back, it wasn't extinct. Perhaps say "extinct in the wild"? Ucucha 12:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- The French source states that the plant was considered extinct in culture (i.e., in gardens and such) and in nature since 1990 (original: "La plante fut donc considérée comme éteinte en culture et en nature dès 1990"). Source 1 confirms this: "[U.S. botanist David H. Lorence] noted that there was only one plant [of this species] in the Plaine Champagne ... However, Wendy Strahm noted in 1996 that the plant had since died: the species at that point would be recorded as Extinct." The plant was brought back not from surviving seeds but tissues found within them (the seeds themselves were not viable). As the last individual had died the plant was extinct, unless you would count the tissues (under which definition other species currently considered "extinct" might only be "extinct in the wild"). Intelligentsium 15:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that after the only known Cylindrocline lorencei died and its seeds would not germinate, botanists saved the plant from extinction through the in vitro culture of part of the seed embryo? DS (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- This depends on how exactly one defines "extinct", I guess. Your sources confirm that it was indeed considered "extinct", but I think DS's alt is clearer in that it avoids issues with the definition. Ucucha 15:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, DS's is more precise and clear, but it would be good to somehow add that the plant was "considered extinct"—whether "in the wild" by Kew, or "en culture et en nature" (in culture and in nature) by Brest. I fully realize how tricky this hook is, but it would be nice to convey the full impact of something that is quite extraordinary, in spite of the short time span between "dead species"-->"no viable seeds"-->"extinct"-->"laboratory brings back to life". First Light (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I think this was the first time something like this ever happened (and has it ever happened since?), and thus more precise terminology doesn't exist. DS (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- I think that's right. Added to that is the difficulty in explaining all of the nuance in a short hook. Here's one more try, slightly tweaking your ALT1 (either way, I think that saved the "species" is better than "plant"):
- Well, I think this was the first time something like this ever happened (and has it ever happened since?), and thus more precise terminology doesn't exist. DS (talk) 11:32, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, DS's is more precise and clear, but it would be good to somehow add that the plant was "considered extinct"—whether "in the wild" by Kew, or "en culture et en nature" (in culture and in nature) by Brest. I fully realize how tricky this hook is, but it would be nice to convey the full impact of something that is quite extraordinary, in spite of the short time span between "dead species"-->"no viable seeds"-->"extinct"-->"laboratory brings back to life". First Light (talk) 00:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- This depends on how exactly one defines "extinct", I guess. Your sources confirm that it was indeed considered "extinct", but I think DS's alt is clearer in that it avoids issues with the definition. Ucucha 15:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that when the only known Cylindrocline lorencei died and its seeds would not germinate it was considered extinct—until botanists saved the species through the in vitro culture of part of the seed embryo? First Light (talk) 15:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT2, counting "that" and the question mark is 203 characters (the limit is supposed to be 200). I suppose we could remove the "the" before in vitro, or ask for some leeway if it's the best one. First Light (talk) 15:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- How about this (ALT3):
- ... that when the only known Cylindrocline lorencei died and its seeds would not germinate, it was considered extinct—but it was saved through in vitro culture of part of the embryo?
- Ucucha 18:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Looks great - adding "seed" before "embryo" for non-botanists would be helpful, but it would also be fine as is. First Light (talk) 19:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Mary Adams (educator)
- ... that despite having to teach out of a poorly converted hotel building, Mary Adams transformed the Wesleyan Female College into a highly regarded institution?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article length, date, hook length and fact all check out. Sasata (talk) 04:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe
- ... that Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe served as an adjutant to Joseph Goebbels in the Nazi Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda?
Created by Ruby2010 (talk) 17:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC) (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that in 1939, three Icelandic Nazi-sympathizers approached Prince Friedrich Christian of Schaumburg-Lippe with the hope he would be made king of Iceland?
George Tuccaro
- ... that prior to becoming Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, George Tuccaro anchored the first daily current affairs television show in Canada's north?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 17:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Daniel L. Norris
- ... that no northern-born Canadian Aboriginal had been appointed Commissioner of the Northwest Territories until the appointment of Daniel L. Norris in 1989?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Erika Forster-Vannini
- ... that Erika Forster-Vannini (pictured), Chair of the Swiss Senate, is one of three women who hold the three highest Swiss political offices?
Created by S Marshall (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Lorne Kusugak
- ... that Member of the Legislative Assembly of Nunavut Lorne Kusugak was a founding director of the Inuit Broadcasting Corporation, a television network broadcasting programs almost entirely in Inuktitut?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Sandrine Salerno
- ... that neither of the Mayor of Geneva's (pictured) parents were Swiss?
Created by S Marshall (talk). Self nom at 12:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hook fact confirmed, article length and date meets criteria. Sasata (talk) 03:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Azeline Hearne
- ... that freed slave Azeline Hearne was the first freedwoman to be party to three separate civil suits that were appealed all the way to the Texas Supreme Court?
Created by Redfarmer (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not even close to meeting the length test. - PM800 (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
St Peter's Church, Wolfhampcote
- ... that St Peter's Church, Wolfhampcote, (pictured) stands isolated in a field, surrounded by mounds remaining from a deserted medieval village, disused canal workings, and a redundant railway?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 10:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article length, date, hook fact & length all ok. Image is PD. Sasata (talk) 04:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Bob Adams (American football)
- ... that after finishing his National Football League career with the Atlanta Falcons, Bob Adams became a Church of Scientology vice president and spokesperson?
5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 10:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Dan Sane
- ... that American Memphis and country blues guitarist and songwriter Dan Sane recorded with Frank Stokes, billed as the Beale Street Sheiks?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Wittenberg Tigers football
- ... that the Wittenberg Tigers from Springfield, Ohio have won more games than any other Division III college football team?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
United States security assistance to the Palestinian Authority
- ... that United States security assistance to the Palestinian Authority for the 2010 fiscal year was US$100 million?
Created by Kmac1986 (talk). Nominated by My76Strat (talk) at 01:49, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Kinan Azmeh
- ... that Syrian-born clarinetist Kinan Azmeh debuted a concerto written especially for him at the opening of the Damascus Opera House?
5x expanded by La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Much of the space in the earlier article was taken up by lists. I expanded the prose portion from <300 characters to >1500 characters. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 01:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: An IP editor repeatedly deletes the sourced information I added to this article. If article seems too short, please check history. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I'd Rather Be Baking Cookies: A Collection of Recipes from Lisa MacLeod and Friends
- ... that following a sexist joke by a political opponent, Ontario Member of Provincial Parliament Lisa MacLeod wrote the cookbook I’d Rather Be Baking Cookies?
Created by Kelapstick (talk), Drmies (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- . Everything checks out. The edit summary of the nominator made me hungry for chocolate chip cookies. Yummm... -- Cirt (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Brent Weedman, Douglas Lima
- ... that Brent Weedman was brought in to a welterweight title fight by the AFL, who expected him to lose and "showcase" Douglas Lima's skills, but instead defeated Lima?
Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 01:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- If the wording is a little patchy, then please feel free to suggest an alternative way of phrasing the end of the hook. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 01:31, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- How about "... that Douglas Lima was expected to showcase his skills with an easy victory over Brent Weedman in a mixed martial arts welterweight title fight, but lost?" Clarityfiend (talk) 10:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, I've just done a mild bit of linking and I'm happy with this. Thank you for the suggestion. Paralympiakos (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Nicholas Fuller (lawyer)
- ... that Sir Nicholas Fuller was imprisoned for heresy after describing the Court of High Commission as "under jurisdiction not of Christ but of anti-Christ"?
Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 02:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Balloon shark
- ... that juvenile balloon sharks are preyed upon by the coelacanth?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- Article & hook length, article creation date fine, AGF for offline hook fact. Suggest alt: Sasata (talk) 03:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the catshark Cephaloscyllium sufflans can greatly inflate its stomach with water or air as a defense mechanism against predators?
- The thing is that all Cephaloscyllium species can do this, and the DYK for swellshark was basically the same thing. But I suppose if you think that was long enough ago... -- Yzx (talk) 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, didn't know/remember about the other similar hook. I have the same issue with mushroom hooks ("DYK that X mushroom is bioluminescent" repeats every few months). Just tossing out another option. Sasata (talk) 03:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- The thing is that all Cephaloscyllium species can do this, and the DYK for swellshark was basically the same thing. But I suppose if you think that was long enough ago... -- Yzx (talk) 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Venice (musical)
- ... that Time magazine called the Kansas City Repertory Theatre's world premier of Venice the best musical of 2010?
Created by ESkog (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Aseroe coccinea
- ... that although the fungus Aseroe coccinea was formally described in 1989, its validation as a species was delayed until 2007 due to a naming error?
Created by Sasata (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 08:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The Mark Levin Show
- ... that The Mark Levin Show is the fourth most listened to most-listened-to radio program in the United States, with over 8.5 million listeners?
Created by Intelati (talk). Self nom at 18:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Actually changed a redirect to an article. :/--TalkToMecintelati 18:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hook fact not sourced in article. Last sentence of "Criticisms" section needs a source as well. Sasata (talk) 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Done and Done--intelatitalk 03:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'd add "in the United States". Although there is no specific evidence, I'd suggest something on BBC World Service would beat it, and at times the Chris Evans show on BBC Radio 2 beats it too. And there are plenty of other countries in the world with large populations that might have shows that are more listened to. The reference clearly doesn't list any English / European stations either. Harrias talk 08:35, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Double Arches Pit
- ... that evidence of a Roman settlement has been discovered at Double Arches Pit, a disused sand mine that is now a Site of Special Scientific Interest?
Created by Acather96 (talk). Self nom at 09:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
List of Medical Eponyms Discouraged Because of Nazi Associations
- ... that the Clara cell, a medical eponym, had been researched using tissue from an executed Nazi prisoner?
5x expanded by Jclemens (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- Still a little shaky on this one. It's currently at AfD, although I expect it to survive, and I will probably be making substantial changes to the article for the next several days. Article will likely end up retitled, and I'm all ears about how to improve the hook, but nominating it now due to timing constraints. Jclemens (talk) 03:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 29
Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek
- ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha first appeared as an actor in Jan Nepomuk Štěpánek's play Czech and German in July 1832 in Benešov?
Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Travel to Italy (Mácha)
- ... that in his 1834 Diary of Travel to Italy Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha describes his meeting with Slovenian poet France Prešeren?
Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic.Aloysius (talk) 05:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Cikáni
- ... that Karel Hynek Mácha's 1835 novel Cikáni celebrates the free lifestyle of gypsies?
Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Aloysius (talk) 05:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Phonomotor
- ... that the Phonomotor, patented by Thomas Edison in 1878, could drill a hole in a board powered only by the human voice?
Created by Edison (talk). Self nom at 03:24, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Liang Congjie
- ... that Liang Congjie established the Friends of Nature in 1994 as the first environmental non-governmental organization to be officially recognized by the government of the People's Republic of China?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
National Supercomputing Center of Tianjin
- ... that the National Supercomputing Center of Tianjin houses the world's fastest supercomputer?
Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Mudawana
- ... that the Mudawana is the only section of Moroccan law that relies primarily on Islamic sources rather than Spanish or French civil codes?
5x expanded by Amg0709 (talk). Nominated by Cryptic C62 (talk) at 21:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Fengguo Temple
- ... that DaXiongBao Hall of Fengguo Temple (pictured), first built in 1020, is one of the earliest example in Chinese architecture where bracket sets are used in between columns instead of simple struts?
Created by Zeus1234 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
PSR J1614–2230
- ... that PSR J1614–2230 is the most massive known neutron star, being approximately 10 kilometres (6.2 mi) in diameter, but with a mass twice that of the Sun?
- Comment: Creator nommed it for ITN two days ago, but it doesn't seem to be on its way to being featured.
Created by James McBride (talk). Nominated by Smartse (talk) at 08:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
National Democratic Party (Egypt)
- ... that in 1978, the National Democratic Party was created as the last step in Anwar El Sadat's four-phase program to introduce a multi-party system to Egypt?
5x expanded by Nerdpenguin (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 04:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Seelbach Hotel
- ... that the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville, Kentucky was often frequented by Al Capone, who once avoided police by escaping through secret tunnels in the hotel?
5x expanded by Klhrdy (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 21:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article states this as a story, while the hook states it as a fact - this might need clarification. Secondly, given the current excitement over how sources are used; the article contains the text "The famous Bavarian-style Rathskellar, decorated with rare Rookwood Pottery, remains to this day the only surviving ensemble of its kind" cited to, but not quoting, a (presumably copyrighted) source which states a 1907 expansion included "the famous Bavarian-style Rathskeller, decorated with rare Rookwood Pottery. Today the Rathskeller remains the only surviving ensemble of its kind." I would welcome clarification on whether this is an issue or not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 09:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing that out. Of course it's an issue; I'm afraid we cannot place this on the main page since it's plagiarized, unless someone can remedy this. Whwya (talk) 10:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have asked the author to rectify the copyright issues immediately. For the hook, try
- ... that the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville, Kentucky was frequented by Al Capone, who was once said to have avoided police by escaping through secret tunnels in the hotel?
- /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, Fetchcomms, but this article appears to have more serious problems. Lines like "making the quaint 150-room hotel a 500-room bastion of turn-of-the-century tasteful refinement" and "lasting legacy in the city of Louisville that would shape visitors' experiences sit at the forefront of the Kentuckian hospitality industry for the many years of its existence" are largely promotional. This will need some in-depth copyediting to rectify. I also fear that since the only online source was plagiarized, much of the information in the article may also be plagiarized from The Seelbach. We have got to crack down on copyright violations. Whwya (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- If you bothered reading my note to the author, you would have seen that I already noticed that. But I'm more concerned on who you are and why you're here. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 02:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- No I didn't bother; however, I was bold and fixed the tone concern. The copyright concerns still stand. Whwya (talk) 03:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Oscar Nilssen
- ... that Oscar Nilssen chaired the Labour Party branch in Hedmark for thirty-three years, from 1921 to 1954?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Torstein Grythe
- ... that Torstein Grythe started the boys' choir Sølvguttene in 1940, and retired as conductor of the choir as late as 2004?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hook length & article creation date fine, AGF with Norwegian-language source. Sasata (talk) 03:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Reinhard Mohn
- ... that Reinhard Mohn took what was left of his family's publishing company (its premises demolished by Allied bombing in World War II) and turned it into the 6th-largest media conglomerate in the world?
5x expanded by Clarityfiend (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Henry E. Hardtner
- ... that Louisiana politician, conservationist, and timber magnate Henry E. Hardtner is known as "the father of forestry in the South"?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Harry Bemis
- ... that catcher Harry Bemis once beat Ty Cobb over the head with a baseball after a home plate collision?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Last part of the paragraph which contains the cited fact is word-for-word from the source. Please rephrase (or add quotes), and check article throughout for any similar instances.Sasata (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Has been reworded, checks out now. Sasata (talk) 02:53, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Power Snooker
- ... that Power Snooker (table illustrated) is a new fast-paced, time-limited version of snooker, inspired by Twenty20 cricket, which uses just nine red balls?
5x expanded by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Eber Brock Ward
- ... that Eber Brock Ward (pictured) produced the first Bessemer steel in the United States?
5x expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:53, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Plucknett
- ... that Theodore Plucknett was the first ever chair of legal history at the London School of Economics?
Created by Panyd (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Ronald Cuthbert Hay
- ... that Second World War aviator Ronald Cuthbert Hay is the only Royal Marine fighter ace?
Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and date checked, looks good. - PM800 (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
St Mary's Church, Brentingby
- ... that before the nave of St Mary's Church, Brentingby, Leicestershire, was partly demolished and converted into a house, the wall paintings were removed to a museum?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 16:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Falmouth Lifeboat station
- ... that the volunteer Royal National Lifeboat Institution crews at Falmouth Lifeboat Station (pictured) share their building with Her Majesty's Coastguard?
Created by Geof Sheppard (talk). Self nom at 16:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Laura Ross (politician)
- ... that Saskatchewanian politician Laura Ross was, at various times, a caterer, real estate agent and farmer before her entrance into politics?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 16:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Manastir Mosque
- ... that the Manastır Mosque (pictured) in Istanbul is one of the few surviving Byzantine churches of Constantinople whose dedication remains uncertain?
Created by Alex2006 (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC). Self nom at 16:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
James R. Lewis (legislator)
- ✗... that suburban Wisconsin Republican state representative James R. Lewis (a former Billy Graham Evangelistic Association employee) was convicted in 1979 of perjury about his involvement in a scheme to build a laser gun "designed to blind people", sell it to a Guatemalan colonel, and use the proceeds to build a laetrile factory in South America?
5x expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that politician James R. Lewis was involved in plans to build a laser gun "designed to blind people", sell it to a Guatemalan colonel, and use the proceeds to build a laetrile factory in South America?
- The article currently is only 1165 characters of the 1500 required. Please do expand it if at all possible, as this is quite an interesting, quirky hook. The original hook, however, is 344 characters, way over the limit of 200. I've suggested ALT1, which should squeak by at 201. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Expanded a bit more, wikilinking and setting it in the context of the Laetrile crusade; hope it suffices. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- AGF for offline ref. Ideally, I would prefer to see an additional source. The Rome News-Tribune ain't exactly The New York Times. I couldn't find any online sources. But Orange Mike is an experienced, respected admin, and if he feels it's a reliable source, I'm inclined to accept that. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Tory Christman
- ... that former Scientologist Tory Christman trained actor John Travolta in his initial Scientology coursework?
- Comment: Expanded over 5x, see diff link. Thank you for your time.
5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 15:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Irwin B. Laughlin
- ... that when the Second Spanish Republic was proclaimed in 1931, U.S. Ambassador to Spain Irwin B. Laughlin (pictured) advised Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson not to recognize the new government?
Created by Offenbach (talk). Self nom at 14:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
John Stirk
- ... that John Stirk played every league game during Watford Football Club's 1978–79 promotion-winning season?
Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 14:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Hall Thompson
- ... that remarks by Hall Thompson that "we don't discriminate in every other area except blacks" before the 1990 PGA Championship led golf's governing bodies to ban holding tournaments at all-white clubs?
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
All Saints Church, Beeby
- ... that the building materials used in All Saints Church, Beeby, Lincolnshire (tower pictured) are orange ironstone, white ashlar stone, brick, red sandstone, granite and timber?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Is there anything that could be used for the hook? Personally, I don't find this particularly interesting. SmartSE (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
James Armstrong (musician)
- ... that in 1997 American soul blues and electric blues guitarist, singer and songwriter James Armstrong was almost stabbed to death at his home?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 11:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Microsoft hoax
- ... that a 1994 hoax suggesting that Microsoft had acquired the Catholic Church was considered to be the first Internet hoax to reach a mass audience?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 11:05, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- The hook fact is sourced to [3], which does not qualify as a reliable source. The event clearly happened though, so it shouldn't be too difficult to create a different interesting hook. Sasata (talk) 02:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uh... how doesn't it not qualify as a RS? The article has its own Wikipedia article (Museum of Hoaxes), was named one of PC Magazine's 'Top 100 Sites You Didn't Know You Couldn't Live Without' and has been compiled into a book, Museum of Hoaxes, published by E. P. Dutton. However, I have added another source (this time a book one) to back up the hook further. Arctic Night 03:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Reliable sources generally have evidence of editorial oversight, which I couldn't find from checking out the website. The book is definitely reliable (it is based on a Doctoral thesis), and the Google Books snippet on page 4 confirms the hook fact. Thanks for adding the extra source. Sasata (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for getting back to me. Much appreciated! Arctic Night 04:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Oscar season
- ... that studios release films in the fall, during Oscar season, to have a better chance at winning the Academy Awards?
Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 08:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Douglas R. Archer
- ... that upon being elected Mayor of Regina, Saskatchewan, Douglas R. Archer moved to eliminate the city's business tax?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 08:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- What makes this an interesting hook? Sasata (talk) 01:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- The complete elimination of a tax by someone is bound to be interesting... wouldn't it be interesting if the United States Government completely eliminated, say, income tax? I think we've had far less interesting hooks here before, such as: "that the National Intellectual Property Rights Coordination Center was created in July 2008 to protect American consumers from potentially harmful trade goods?" and "that the Central Market (pictured) in Ljubljana was designed by the Slovenian architect Jože Plečnik?" and "that Minds and Machines is a peer-reviewed academic journal covering artificial intelligence, philosophy, and cognitive science?" - there is nothing too out of the ordinary about those hooks, especially the last one, which is simply a description of the journal itself, rather than an "interesting fact" about it. I think that the complete elimination of a business tax by a city mayor is a lot more interesting than these. Arctic Night 03:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- WP:Other stuff exists is generally a weak argument, but fair enough, I'm just one opinion. Others can weigh in if they wish. Article length & date, hook fact confirmed. Sasata (talk) 04:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks - I had OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in mind when I wrote that, but couldn't find a better way to express that "this isn't the least interesting hook we've had" in a different way. I would normally be the first to jump on someone using OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or WP:ILIKEIT - how hypocritical of me :) Arctic Night 04:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Wide Awake in Europe
- ... that U2's upcoming live EP is being released on Black Friday as part of a program organized by the creators of Record Store Day to draw customers to independent record shops?
5x expanded by Dream out loud (talk). Self nom at 04:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Wallace Wilkerson
- ... that Wallace Wilkerson declined to be executed by decapitation in Utah Territory, and instead took 27 minutes to die because the firing squad missed his heart?
Created by KimChee (talk). Self nom at 04:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length, date, and references checked. Good to go. - PM800 (talk) 07:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Hotel St. Moritz
- ... that the rooms of the Café Rumpelmayer in the Hotel St. Moritz (pictured) in New York City were designed by the German-born architect Winold Reiss?
Created by Gryffindor (talk). Self nom at 04:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- looks good. --Admrboltz (talk) 22:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Mount Lemmon Marathon
- ... that the female winner of the inaugural Mount Lemmon Marathon was competing in her first marathon and finished the 26.2 miles (42.2 km) race in just under 4 hours?
Created by Atmoz (talk). Self nom at 17:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
(ALT1) ... that the Mount Lemmon Marathon has an elevation gain of over 1 mile (1.61 km) from start to finish in the 26.2 miles (42.2 km) race.
- (Note: moved from userspace on 29 October.)
- ALT2: ... that the entirely uphill Mount Lemmon Marathon climbs over 1 mile (1.61 km) from start to finish as it follows the General Hitchcock Scenic Byway (pictured)? SFB 18:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Struck alt1. I like alt2 better. I also like it better than the original hook. Thanks SFB. -Atmoz (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
If You're a Viper
- ... that the US army paid for the recording of "If You're a Viper", a song about smoking marijuana, in 1943?
Created by Bali ultimate (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Oh yeah. I suggest if ya'll like this, you run it this Tuesday, given Prop 19 in California.Bali ultimate (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Malformed, and hook not supported by inline citations. --Admrboltz (talk) 22:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- Yup. Expected so. (The key citation was staring you in the face). Goodbye.Bali ultimate (talk) 22:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
- "paid for"? Can't find any mention of monetary transactions in the article. How about "invited"? --64.231.54.224 (talk) 03:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- All V-Disc recordings were paid for by the army.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Bali, I don't see anything about the Army paying for the recording of V-Discs in the article. Would you be able to add that? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- The whole V-Disc effort was run by the army. They paid for the sound-engineers, the studio time, for pressing and distribution. I think the musicians generally donated their own time. There's a source already in the article to this effect. I'll duplicate it elsewhere as a favor to you (the whole point of this exercise is that it's an actually interesting hook.)Bali ultimate (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- It may be interesting to you, but it is incredibly boring to me. And that is the point. Not everyone will find every hook interesting. What is interesting to some people will not be interesting to others. -Atmoz (talk) 21:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Uhuh. At any rate, done. [4].Bali ultimate (talk) 21:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- It may be interesting to you, but it is incredibly boring to me. And that is the point. Not everyone will find every hook interesting. What is interesting to some people will not be interesting to others. -Atmoz (talk) 21:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- The whole V-Disc effort was run by the army. They paid for the sound-engineers, the studio time, for pressing and distribution. I think the musicians generally donated their own time. There's a source already in the article to this effect. I'll duplicate it elsewhere as a favor to you (the whole point of this exercise is that it's an actually interesting hook.)Bali ultimate (talk) 21:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Bali, I don't see anything about the Army paying for the recording of V-Discs in the article. Would you be able to add that? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- All V-Disc recordings were paid for by the army.Bali ultimate (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- "paid for"? Can't find any mention of monetary transactions in the article. How about "invited"? --64.231.54.224 (talk) 03:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Length and creation date verified. Hook citation checks out. Seems interesting to me, but I'm from BC. Bali, please check ref 11, as it is dead. The Interior(Talk) 22:55, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Link should work now.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Two paragraphs are lacking inline citations. These need to be added before it gets to on the main page. SmartSE (talk) 01:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- Link should work now.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Fuck it.Bali ultimate (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 30
Diary of 1835 (Mácha)
- ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha wrote parts of his Diary of 1835 in code to conceal details of his erotic relationship with Eleonora Šomková?
Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 06:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October. Aloysius (talk) 06:09, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Eleonora Šomková
- ... that Czech poet Karel Hynek Mácha's funeral took place on the day of the intended wedding with his fiancée and mother of his newborn child Eleonora Šomková known as Lori?
Created by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 05:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- I humbly ask to move this suggestion to Special Occasion area for 16 November to celebrate the 200th birth anniversary of Karel Hynek Mácha, Czech National poet - I have added four other articles relevant to this important day in the Czech Republic. Three were created on 29 October, one more on 30 October.Aloysius (talk) 06:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum
- ... that the collection of the Arizona Mining and Mineral Museum includes a specimen of native copper that is 8 ft (2.4 m) long?
Created/expanded by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Women's literary salons and societies in the Arab World
- ... that, because she wore the niqāb, Zaynab Fawwaz's husband had to relay messages for her to the men who attended her Arabic literary salon?
Created by Act25 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 02:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
1902 Michigan Wolverines football team
- ... that 10 players from the 1902 "Point-a-Minute" Michigan football team (pictured), which outscored opponents 644-12, became head coaches?
Created/expanded by User:cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Venues of the 1964 Winter Olympics
- ... that all eight venues of the 1964 Winter Olympics were reused with some improvements when the Winter Olympics returned there twelve years later?
Created by Miller17CU94 (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Janet Bragg
- ... that aviator Janet Bragg was the first African-American woman to hold a Commercial Pilot Licence?
Created by Rich Farmbrough (talk), East of Borschov (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
List of I Zingari first-class cricketers
- ... that among the 85 cricketers to play first-class cricket for I Zingari were one member of the British Royal Family, three barons, one Earl, three Members of Parliament and one bishop?
- ALT1:... that among the 85 cricketers to play first-class cricket for I Zingari was Prince Christian Victor of Schleswig-Holstein, the only member of the British Royal Family to have played first-class cricket?
Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Caleana major
- ... that the Flying Duck Orchid was first collected in 1803 at the site of the present day Sydney Opera House
Created by Poyt448 (talk). Self nom at 06:16, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Consulate General of France in Jerusalem
- ... that the Consulate General of France in Jerusalem established official political ties with the Palestinian government after Yasser Arafat moved to Gaza City in 1994?
Created by Dmk53 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 03:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Early life of Néstor Kirchner
- ... that Néstor Kirchner and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (pictured) had a civil wedding rather than a religious ceremony, with a peronist hymn sung during it?
Created by MBelgrano (talk). Self nom at 02:59, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Ronnie McCollum
- ... that March 13, 2001 was named "Ronnie McCollum Day" in Shreveport, Louisiana to honor the basketball player of that name?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:39, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Ashleigh Grimshaw, Robbie Olivier
- ... that Robbie "The Flame" Olivier and Ashleigh "The Thunderball Kid" Grimshaw faced off at Cage Rage 27 - Step Up for the Cage Rage British Featherweight Championship?
Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- The event refs are done, I think, but the nicknames are sourced in the infobox on the right of the article. If the nicknames need to be in the prose, please send me a talk message and I'll sort that out. Thanks. Paralympiakos (talk) 23:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
William Edenborn
- ... that industrialist and inventor William Edenborn once tried to use monkeys to harvest cotton on his experimental farm in Louisiana?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that American industrialist William Edenborn patented a type of barbed wire that did not harm the cattle pressing against it?
- Verified, including facts for both hooks. The article originally only said that he patented the machine which made the barbed wire. I added a cited passage about the patenting of the wire itself. But I think the original hook is much "hookier". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Epidemiology (Community episode)
- ... that despite its high praise by critics, the Community episode "Epidemiology" was the least-watched non-reality component of NBC's Comedy Night Done Right lineup?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 19:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Chamaegigas
- ... that Chamaegigas intrepidus ("intrepid dwarf giant") is a tiny aquatic plant that can thrive in the desert?
Created by First Light (talk). Self nom at 19:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Hook length, fact, article length & date all verified. Sasata (talk) 01:02, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Princess Xenia of Montenegro
- ... that at various times, Princess Xenia of Montenegro was rumored to be engaged to Alexander of Serbia, Nicholas of Greece, and Ernest Louis of Hesse?
Ruby2010 (talk) 18:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC))
- ALT1: ... that Princess Xenia of Montenegro's refusal of marriage to Alexander I of Serbia caused diplomatic relations between their two countries to be severed?
List of 1948 Winter Olympics medal winners
- ... that when Barbara Ann Scott won a gold medal for figure skating at the 1948 Winter Olympics, she became the first Canadian to do so?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 18:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Lai Pak Hoi
- ... that Lai Pak-Hoi founded the Chinese-owned production company in Hong Kong?
Created by User:Hongkongresident (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article is 100 bytes too short. I assume by "the Chinese-owned production company in Hong Kong" you mean the Minxin Film Company; you'll need to specify this. Although this is not related to DYK requirements, could you clarify what you mean by "The British colonial government rejected their plans to build the studio in Hong Kong, so they were forced to do so in neighboring Hong Kong in 1924"? Intelligentsium 19:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've expanded it, should meet the requirements now. The studio line was a mistake, I meant neighboring Guanzhou, not Hong Kong. Need some sleep... --Hongkongresident (talk) 19:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Lai Pak-Hoi founded the first Chinese-owned film production company in Hong Kong, the Minxin Film Company?--Hongkongresident (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Forgot to add "first" in that line. This alt should clear things up! :) --Hongkongresident (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- The article is 100 bytes too short. I assume by "the Chinese-owned production company in Hong Kong" you mean the Minxin Film Company; you'll need to specify this. Although this is not related to DYK requirements, could you clarify what you mean by "The British colonial government rejected their plans to build the studio in Hong Kong, so they were forced to do so in neighboring Hong Kong in 1924"? Intelligentsium 19:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Alexandria Mills
- ... that Alexandria Mills from the USA won Miss World 2010 in Sanya, China?--BabbaQ (talk) 16:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
William Donald Albright
- ... that in 1941, William Donald Albright became director of the Beaverlodge Research Station, the northernmost such station in Canada?
Created by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Debye-Hückel theory
- ... that Debye–Hückel theory provides a theoretical explanation for departures from ideality in dilute solutions of electrolytes?
Created by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 13:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Gabriel Acquin
- ... that Maliseet guide Gabriel Acquin reportedly killed 60 red deer in the space of two weeks?
5x expanded by Arctic Night (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
- Not an interesting hook in my opinion. And more importantly, it was only Acquin himself who claimed that he killed 60 red deer... that's not really reliable. - PM800 (talk) 07:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Tristan Thrush
- ... that the Tristan Thrush is a regular predator of the eggs and chicks of the Great Shearwater?
5x expanded by Maias (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Wara Wara
- ... that the recently restored Wara Wara (1930) is the only known surviving Bolivian silent feature film?
Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 11:34, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
All Saints Church, Holdenby
- ... that when Sir Christopher Hatton, Lord Chancellor to Elizabeth I, built Holdenby House, he moved the dwellings of Holdenby village away from All Saints Church, leaving it isolated?
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Adolf Skjegstad
- ... that when A. Skjegstad was hired in Aftenposten, he became one of the few in Norway to go from a labour newspaper to a high-profile conservative newspaper?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 09:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Dygert
- ... that spitballer Jimmy Dygert, who won 21 games in 1907, was the lightest Major League Baseball pitcher of the 20th century?
5x expanded by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 09:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Ken Nicholas
- ... that Ken Nicholas represented England at schoolboy level in both football and rugby?
Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 06:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
The Female Quixote
- ... that The Female Quixote was used as a model by Jane Austen for her first novel, Northanger Abbey?
Created by Clementina (talk). Self nom at 02:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
18 Galeus articles
- ... that the catsharks of the genus Galeus—G. antillensis, G. arae, G. atlanticus, G. cadenati, G. eastmani, G. gracilis, G. longirostris, G. melastomus (pictured), G. mincaronei, G. murinus, G. nipponensis, G. piperatus, G. polli, G. priapus, G. sauteri, G. schultzi, and G. springeri—have "saws" on their tails?
5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Discretionary trusts and powers in English law
- ... that discretionary trusts in English law have been described as "powers in the nature of trusts" because they cross the traditional distinction between trusts and powers?
Ironholds (talk) 07:03, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Official scorer
- ... that by 1979, The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and The Boston Globe banned their writers from working as an official scorer for Major League Baseball due to a conflict of interest?
5x expanded by Aaron north (talk). Self nom at 09:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 31
Potential person
- ... that philosophers differ in opinion whether potential future persons have ethic value or not?
Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 04:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Congregation Or Chadash
- ... that Congregation Or Chadash, Chicago's oldest LGBT synagogue, was targeted in the 2010 cargo plane bomb plot?
Created by Jayjg (talk), Brewcrewer (talk). Self nom at 03:11, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- Alt1: that Congregation Or Chadash, the Chicago synagogue targeted in the 2010 cargo plane bomb plot, is the fifth LGBT synagogue in the United States?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
- Alt2: that Congregation Or Chadash, the Chicago synagogue targeted in the 2010 cargo plane bomb plot, is the first American LGBT synagogue to employ a heterosexual rabbi?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Louis J. Roussel, Jr.
- ... that the Louisiana businessman and petroleum industrialist Louis J. Roussel, Jr., began his career in the 1930s as a bus driver in New Orleans?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Danny van Bergen
- ... that in the 2009 M-1 Challenge Season, Team Benelux's Danny van Bergen was one of only two team members to finish with a positive record?
Created by Paralympiakos (talk). Self nom at 01:27, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Willie Jackson (basketball)
- ... that Willie Jackson is the Atlantic Sun Conference's all-time leading scorer in men's basketball?
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 23:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Good to go. - PM800 (talk) 04:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Laura Smith (blues singer)
- ... that American classic female blues singer Laura Smith recorded two songs which were written about the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 22:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Fleetwood Edwards
- ... that the death of a zebra, while under the care of Sir Fleetwood Edwards, was said to greatly annoy Queen Victoria?
Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Supercomputing in China
- ... Although China has the fastest supercomputer in the world, there are relatively few supercomputers in China, compared to the United States?
Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 21:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Klotok
- ... that a klotok is a type of Indonesian "motorized gondola"?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Monika Frimmer, Christa Bonhoff, Dantes Diwiak
- ... that the vocal quartet Monika Frimmer, Christa Bonhoff, Dantes Diwiak and Peter Kooy recorded Valentin Rathgeber's Augsburger Tafel-Confect?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
The Incorrigible Dukane
- ... that the 1915 film The Incorrigible Dukane is the oldest surviving movie starring John Barrymore?
Created by Koplimek (talk), Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Dylanfromthenorth (talk) at 20:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Harold King (author)
- ... that the American novelist Harold "Hal" King gained the sobriquet "the crown prince of suspense" with publication of his 1979 anti-Nazi thriller, Closing Ceremonies?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
John Howland
- ... that Mayflower passengers John Howland and Elizabeth Tilley founded one of the three largest Mayflower progenies?
5x expanded by Ishtar456 (talk) Self nom at 18:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: This expansion is NOT 5 fold and I ask that an exception be made. Even though there are only 2.5 Xs more characters in the prose sections of new version than the old, the current version has been substantially rewritten. Although much improvement still remains to be made, the current version is far more informative and readable. The former version was uncited and incoherent. I think that making exception for historically significant figures or events may help encourage editors to tackle these types of improvements, in which the sources are difficult to discern and the research more time consuming. I understand that decisions are done at the discretion of the administrator. If the exception is made, I would also like to request that entry be moved to November 25, Thanksgiving in the USA. --Ishtar456 (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Raymond Kimutai Bett
- ... that Raymond Kimutai Bett set a new race record to win the 2010 Athens Classic Marathon, which celebrated the 2500th anniversary of the Battle of Marathon?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
List of number-one EPs (UK), Hits (The Beach Boys EP)
- ... that extended play Hits by The Beach Boys (songwriter Brian Wilson pictured) spent 32 weeks at number-one in the EP chart?
Created by Rambo's Revenge (talk). Self nom at 17:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Anti-Fascist Youth Union of the Free Territory of Trieste
- ... that the Anti-Fascist Youth Union did, apart from political activism, organize sports and cultural activities in the Free Territory of Trieste?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 16:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Robert-Georg Freiherr von Malapert
- ... that Robert-Georg Freiherr von Malapert was the first recipient of the German Cross in Gold?
Created by MisterBee1966 (talk). Self nom at 15:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
BSA Empire Star
- ... that in 1937 a BSA Empire Star motorcycle ridden by Walter Handley won a race at Brooklands race track with a fastest lap at 107.57mph using alchohol as fuel?
Created/expanded by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 14:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Cash McCall (musician)
- ... that the American electric blues guitarist, singer and songwriter Cash McCall, has evolved in musical styles from gospel to soul to the blues?
Created by Derek R Bullamore (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Patriarchal Monastery of the Holy Trinity
- ... that the church of the Patriarchal Monastery of the Holy Trinity (pictured) near Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria, has an Ancient Roman pagan sacrificial altar?
Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 14:31, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Henry Arkwright
- ... that, after Henry Arkwright was killed by an avalanche in 1866, his body remained undiscovered for 31 years and, when found, was missing both feet and a head?
- ALT1:... that, after Henry Arkwright was killed by an avalanche in 1866, his body remained undiscovered for 31 years and, when found, his right hand was "marvellously life-like"?
- ALT2:... that amateur cricketer Henry Arkwright once took 18 wickets in a match, the second most ever taken?
Created by Harrias (talk). Self nom at 12:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Meyer Foshaug
- ... that Meyer Foshaug held one of the first four seats won by the Labour Party in the Parliament of Norway?
Created by Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 10:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Kind of boring. - PM800 (talk) 11:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
William Henry Atkinson
- ... that Second World War aviator William Atkinson is the highest scoring fighter ace of the Royal Canadian Navy and the last ace from The Commonwealth?
Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Offline source, but looks good. - PM800 (talk) 11:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Henry Scott
- ... that executioner Thomas Henry Scott was fired for being with a prostitute on the night before a hanging job?
Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 07:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- A bit negative, perhaps?
- The hook is fine because the person is long dead. However, I don't think this should run unless it's expanded significantly. Christopher Connor (talk) 12:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
- Just for the record, the article was long enough when I nominated it; but then Christopher Connor cut it down by a lot. - PM800 (talk) 12:23, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Harry Oliver (footballer)
- ... that when Harry Oliver joined Watford Football Club, Benskins Brewery paid the transfer fee on the club's behalf?
Created by WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 06:15, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Mary Emma Allison
- ... that Mary Emma Allison conceived of Trick-or-Treat for UNICEF in 1950 to raise funds for powdered milk for needy children, a program that had raised $160 million by the time of her death in 2010?
- Comment: It's a shame that word about her death broke to late to make it in for Halloween this year.
Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 1
Raymond Stone
- ... that after his term as acting Governor of Guam, Raymond Stone went on to become a judge on the Supreme Court of Guam?
Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 07:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Greenlandic cuisine
- ... that among the many unique features of Greenlandic cuisine is beer brewed from ancient glacial water?
5x expanded by Uyvsdi (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
House (1977 film)
- ... that director Nobuhiko Obayashi purposely made the special effects in the horror comedy film House look unrealistic?
5x expanded by Andrzejbanas (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
American democracy promotion in the Middle East and North Africa
- ... that, while civil society is a tool for developing democracy, it does not always result in democratic behavior or values?
Created by Ya7abibi24 (talk). Nominated by Fetchcomms (talk) at 03:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Bogor
- ... that the botanic garden (pictured) of Bogor, Indonesia, was the world's largest in the 19th century?
- Comment: See "Rule of the Kingdom of the Netherlands" and this ref. Materialscientist (talk) 01:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 01:41, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Special occasion holding area
- Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.
- Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools' Day 2011 - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.
For November 3
Scott Ashjian
- ... that the Nevada Supreme Court ruled Scott Ashjian would remain on the ballot as the Tea Party of Nevada candidate in the 2010 United States Senate election?
5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
- Because he is a candidate in a current election (early voting in Nevada starts tomorrow), I would oppose having a DYK about this person on the main page during the election season. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would support not including this DYK until at least after the election, if at all. Frankly, the DYK is not particularly interesting.--TM 02:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- That would be most unfortunate, as it would invalidate the DYK due to time since expansion. Perhaps you could suggest another hook. I dispute its not being "interesting", I think it is quite interesting indeed that it went all the way to the Nevada Supreme Court to determine the candidate would remain on the ballot. -- Cirt (talk) 06:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Except that Nevada has only two main levels of courts, the Nevada District Courts and the Supreme Court of Nevada. So many cases in the state courts where someone has to appeal will wind up before the state supreme court. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Initial report shown to be a bot error:
- Prose size (text only): 10660 characters (1792 words) "readable prose size"
- Article created by Kendrick7 on March 8, 2010
- Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 76 edits ago on July 30, 2010
- Article has not been created or expanded 5x within the past 10 days (78 days) DYKcheck does not account for previous versions with splits or copyright violations.
- plus the other person's hook did not feature an ongoing election, this one is not new and fails 5x rule too. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Um, Rlevse, I've double-checked it against the article history and it does appear to have been expanded 5x. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- OK, I've never seen DYKcheck that far off before, but I still think we shouldn't run this as it's directly about a pending election. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- Two alternates for your consideration to run the day after the election – if accepted, can be moved to the holding area for November 3. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that Scott Ashjian, the Tea Party of Nevada candidate in the 2010 U.S. Senate election in Nevada, was a member of the Republican Party when he filed his candidacy?
- ALT 2: ... that Scott Ashjian faced a legal challenge prior to the 2010 U.S. Senate election in Nevada as he changed parties after submitting his candidacy?
Oppose, those seem to focus unduly negative on aspects of a BLP. -- Cirt (talk) 20:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)- I disagree, I think it's interesting that that was the reason he was challenged. I don't see it as being "unduly negative", and certainly ALT 1 does not mention a legal challenge so I'd think ALT 1 is perfectly fine. It's shorter and more to the point than ALT3 below. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 03:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct, after I took another look at it. Perhaps we could work the Nevada Supreme Court into there somehow, as well? :) -- Cirt (talk) 04:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- I disagree, I think it's interesting that that was the reason he was challenged. I don't see it as being "unduly negative", and certainly ALT 1 does not mention a legal challenge so I'd think ALT 1 is perfectly fine. It's shorter and more to the point than ALT3 below. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 03:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- ALT 3: ... that Scott Ashjian voted for the U.S. presidential candidacies of Republicans Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and John McCain, before forming the Tea Party of Nevada? — ALT 3, proposed, to run on November 3. -- Cirt (talk) 20:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Choice of hook aside, date and expansion are fine. All suggested hooks are also supported in the article, including the two I put forward. I leave it to the final reviewer to pass the most suitable one. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 10:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. :) -- Cirt (talk) 10:08, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I am disturbed by the possibility of using the Main Page (whether TFA, ITN, OTD, or DYK) to spotlight a specific candidate in an election on the day of, or immediately before the election. I think this problem arises even if the day is chosen coincidentally, but is all the more obvious with a "hold". Because the DYK process only vets articles for compliance with Wikipedia policies like neutrality at the most basic level, this presents an opportunity for partisans to use Wikipedia as a political ad. The easiest way to prevent this (and the only feasible way given the realities of Wikipedia), is just to not run such hooks right before an election. Even if the article is neutral, well-referenced, etc., the prominence of the main page seems to provide an undue level of spotlighting, almost like an endorsement or lopsided voters guide. As for this specific hook, I recommend that it be run well in advance of, or after the election. For example, for the 2008 presidential election, both Obama and McCain were run as TFA; I strongly doubt that we would have run either article alone, even if only one of the articles was featured. Savidan 19:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This is proposed to be run on the date November 3, 2010, the day after the election. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
- I do not see any problem, because it is proposed to be run on the day after the election. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:52, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
For November 24, 2010, Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010
- ... that the Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 takes place across 6 phases and over a month?
5x expanded by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 10:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
For December 10
This nomination has an unusual history, having been nominated originally for a date-specific spot on October 28. The discussion WT:DYK#Hook with Oct 28 request date explains the situation. Pursuant to that discussion, Paralympiakos and I request that the two articles Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks that were moved to article space on 24 October, now be held for a December 10 hook. These two mixed martial arts fighters were due to face each other in a championship bout on October 28; their bout was postponed at the last moment. On December 10, there will be three bouts for inaugural global championship (different weight divisions) and our intention is for a 6-article hook for that date. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Original Nomination for October 28 - including a belated (and much appreciated) DYKtick from Strange Passerby
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Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
A belated . Obviously now a new hook is needed though. Strange Passerby (talk • contribs) 10:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Moved from Special Holding Area - see WT:DYK for details. EdChem (talk) 02:29, 30 October 2010 (UTC) |
The goal 6-article hook would be something like:
- * ... that M-1 Global's welterweight (Tom Gallicchio vs. Shamil Zavurov) middleweight (Magomed Sultanakhmedov vs. Rafał Moks), and light heavyweight (Tomasz Narkun vs. Vyacheslav Vasilevsky) MMA Champions will be determined at M-1 Challenge XXII today?
Magomed Sultanakhmedov and Rafał Moks Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 24 October 2010 (UTC). Tom Gallicchio, Shamil Zavurov, Tomasz Narkun and Vyacheslav Vasilevsky Jointly Created by Paralympiakos (talk) and EdChem (talk). Self nom at TIME and DATE to follow.
- Updating work on these articles will be completed over the next few weeks in user space; the four new articles will be moved into article space in early December. EdChem (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Late December 2010
Andrew McKinley
- ... that Andrew McKinley, David Aiken, and Leon Lishner created the parts of the three kings in the world premiere of Menotti's Christmas opera Amahl and the Night Visitors which was broadcast live by NBC to an audience of millions on Christmas Eve 1951?
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self nom at 01:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
- My plan is to make this a tripple nom with Aiken and Lishner. If reviewers could please hold off until those articles are also created, I would appriciate it. Also I would like this to be up at 7:00 PM New York City Time on Christmas Eve if possible, which is the place and time the original production was performed at its premiere.4meter4 (talk) 01:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Mark Miodownik
- ... that Mark Miodownik will deliver the first part of the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures tonight?
Created by Christopher Connor (talk). Self nom at 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
He will give the lectures, spanning a few days, in "late December". I think they usually start a few days before Christmas. 2009 event was 21–25 December. There'll be more info as the event approaches of course. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
For January 1, 2011, Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
- ALT1 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation represents the courage, valour, strength, cleanliness, truth, high moral standards and high level of motivation expected of FBI agents?
- ALT2 ... that the Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was first used on January 1, 1941 and represents the values, standards and history of the FBI and its agents?
Expanded and self-nominated by ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
This nomination is a bit of a special case. I originally nominated Seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on August 3 following a 5x expansion (see discussion above under #Articles created/expanded on August 3). Everyone accepted that it met the DYK criteria but the nomination was derailed by a political dispute over timing. I've put forward a compromise at User talk:Jimbo Wales#Compromise proposal, which involves passing this DYK now but scheduling its appearance on January 1, 2011, which is 60 years to the day since the seal was first used. This proposal has been generally welcomed so I'm putting it forward here for formal consideration. I'm aware that the timeframe is somewhat longer than would be usual for scheduled DYKs, but in the circumstances I think a some flexibility would be justified. I've put forward two possible hooks: the original one as proposed earlier, and a new alternative tying the DYK in more directly with the date. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:50, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
Are we nominating this (with whichever hook) sans image as you initially suggested on Jimbo's talk page?
--K10wnsta (talk) 00:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC) - Appended: I see that you removed the image from inclusion in the original nomination, so I'll assume this post-dated nomination would not include the image either. However, this necessitates further clarification:
- Are we excluding the image from this DYK solely because of the recent interaction with the FBI?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- In effect yes, but in my view it's a necessary evil if we're to reach a satisfactory compromise on this issue. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- - Tentative Even if the motivation behind qualifying this article for DYK was questionable, I think you already achieved not just a satisfactory compromise, but a completely valid and justifiable use for it. In fact, it's use is so valid, refusing to use the image for no other reason than the recent hoobajoo with the FBI is blatantly (chilled) censorship...and I just can't get behind that. If we're going to censor it, we need to go whole hog or don't go at all.
Could we put it up for 'On This Day' to avoid reasoning for exclusion of the image?
--K10wnsta (talk) 01:51, 14 August 2010 (UTC) - No opinion on whether to feature on the future date; however, it would be better if this hook didn't remain on the suggestions page for the intervening months, as it is bound to attract further discussion and the page is unwieldy enough as it is. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Espresso's suggestion may be useful for more than just making this page leaner. A delay in nomination would lend to better perspective for those establishing consensus. In other words, removing it from discussion for a couple months would also put some time between recent events and the article (and hopefully image) being contemplated for a main page feature (unless such a delay would disqualify it from use in DYK section).
--K10wnsta (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2010 (UTC)- Comment This hook should not "disappear" for a few months. It is far better to leave it here to enable a wide input from editors on the issue. I think this is a good compromise that involves common sense, the proposal and special treatment of the timescale fitting nicely under WP:IAR. Mjroots (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Support ALT2 for use on 1 January, 2011. EdChem (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest scrapping this troublesome controversial DYK, the user that instigated the issue has also since retired, suggest retiring this idea as well. Off2riorob (talk) 13:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Would you please stop with your blatant pushing of the issue? Putting this off until January removes all controversy related to it. SilverserenC 13:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Your comment is just a simple personal attack, I have bigger fish to relentlessly pursue than this worthless disruptive DYK. Off2riorob (talk) 14:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Nothing of what I said was or is a personal attack. I know you greatly dislike ChrisO and myself, but could you please not try and push an already outdated issue? SilverserenC 14:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I support ALT2 for the 1 January date. The anniversary makes this a very good choice for that day. -- L'ecrivant (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting compromise. It completely flipped my opinion of the matter. However, prior to providing said opinion, I'd like some clarification:
I do not support 1 January 2011. The DYK section is for new articles. There are exceptions like April Fools and Halloween; I do not see the point of making every day of the year a possible exception. Geschichte (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose Anniversary or not, a four-month wait at DYK is an overkill. The point of DYK is to present new or newly expanded articles, not to present "on this day". By then this article will be more than four months old. If this line of though is going to be followed, DYK is going to end up in a mess. The length of this entry is plain evidence for why keeping things around for almost five months is not a good idea. Arsenikk (talk) 13:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- per IAR. I would count this as a valid use of IAR. This could have gone up for today. The only reason it isn't going up is for political reasons. I disagree with Jimbo and others on that matter and think we should run it now, but there is no need to reject it entirely on that basis. NW (Talk) 03:03, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- Support as this would have been promoted in the usual time window if not for the decision to shelve it until the political heat was off. To kill it now because a delay was agreed to would be an egregious abuse of trust. - Dravecky (talk) 09:24, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose per Arsenikk. The UtahraptorTalk to me/Contributions 22:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support per NuclearWarfare and Dravecky—Chris!c/t 20:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support, per Chrishomingtang (talk · contribs). -- Cirt (talk) 06:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - This was initially nominated in a timely manner, with an image of the seal, but due to political considerations (public dispute between Wikimedia Foundation and the FBI over the use of the image of the seal) it was agreed that the image should not be used on the main page, and that the hook should be held and run at a later date, when the dispute was not so much in the news. The 60th anniversary of the first use of the seal makes a perfect tie-in, and while it is longer than DYK hooks are normally held for special occassions, Dravecky is correct that it would be egregious to reject it now on the basis of timing. cmadler (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - cmadler really sums up the issue for me. The circumstances of the original nomination and the fact of the 60th anniversary are significant enough that we ought to make an exception to the requirement that DYK items be from recently-created articles. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support I agree with NW, but don't think we need to IAR, considering that hooks are regularly kept back for months for the April fools and Halloween main pages. I don't think we should treat this any differently. Smartse (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
- Support - The Bushranger Return fireFlank speed 17:12, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
- Conditional support if, and only if, the squabble with the feds is over. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
See also
- User:AlexNewArtBot/GoodSearchResult – This is an automated list of promising new articles generated by AlexNewArtBot (talk · contribs · logs).