Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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Lawrence Wong Lee Hsien Loong steps down after nearly 20 years as the prime minister of Singapore, and is succeeded by Lawrence Wong (pictured). Robert Fico, the prime minister of Slovakia, is hospitalised after an assassination attempt. Switzerland, represented by Nemo with "The Code", wins the Eurovision Song Contest. A series of solar storms impact Earth, creating aurorae seen farther from the poles than usual. Former prime minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for attempting to pervert the course of justice. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline War in Sudan timeline Recent deaths: Gudrun Ure Arthur Irving Alice Munro Birubala Rabha Jasper White A. J. Smith view — page history — related changes — edit

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July 26

Portal:Current events/2023 July 26

July 26, 2023 (2023-07-26) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches cruise missiles at Kyiv Oblast, Khmelnytskyi Oblast, and Kirovohrad Oblast in Ukraine. Air Force Commander Mykola Oleschuk says that 36 targets, including three Kalibr and 33 Kh-101/Kh-55 cruise missiles were shot down. (Reuters) 2023 Nigerien coup d'état Soldiers from Niger's presidential guard detain President Mohamed Bazoum inside the Presidential Palace in Niamey. Entrances to government ministries are also blocked. (Al Jazeera) Soldiers announce on state television that President Mohamed Bazoum has been removed from power. The country's borders are closed and a nationwide curfew is declared. (The Examiner) (The Guardian) Arts and culture Egypt cancels American rapper Travis Scott’s upcoming concert at the Giza Pyramids over Scott's alleged promotion of Freemasonry. (Rolling Stone) (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2023 Pacific typhoon season At least six people are killed and thousands of others are displaced as Typhoon Doksuri (Egay) makes landfall in Luzon, Philippines. (AP) The Shoei Kisen Kaisha-owned cargo ship Fremantle Highway with around 3,000 cars, en route from Germany to Egypt, catches fire near Ameland, Netherlands. One person is killed and 22 others on board are injured. (Reuters) Twenty-three people are killed and several others are injured when a bus overturns in Ngeune Sarr, Louga Department, Senegal. (Reuters) Eight people are killed, nearly a dozen are injured and one person is reported missing after a silo exploded in Palotina, Paraná, Brazil. (Reuters) International relations Moldova–Russia relations Moldova orders the expulsion of 22 Russian diplomats by August 15. Several days earlier, a journalist investigation alleged that Russia installed satellite dishes and antennae on its embassy rooftop that could be used for spying. (AP) (RFE/RL) Law and crime 2023 Malian constitutional referendum Mali downgrades the French language from official language to working language in accordance with the new constitution. (Africanews) American actor Kevin Spacey is acquitted of nine sexual assault charges. (Reuters) The Taliban orders beauty salons in Afghanistan to close despite United Nations concern and rare public protests. (AP) Andrew Malkinson, a British victim of a miscarriage of justice, who was sentenced to a whole life tariff for attempted murder and rape and spent 17 years in prison, has his conviction quashed. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Cambodian general election Cambodian prime minister Hun Sen announces his upcoming resignation after four decades in power, with his son Hun Manet succeeding him. (CNA) Science and technology Pentagon UFO videos, David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims The United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability holds a congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, amid claims from former intelligence official David Grusch that the U.S. military is operating a clandestine retrieval program for crashed "non-human" craft. (The Guardian)

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July 25

Portal:Current events/2023 July 25

July 25, 2023 (2023-07-25) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Khartoum Large clashes with air raids and artillery in the Ombada district in northern Khartoum leave over 16 people dead, including 2 confirmed children. (Globe Echo) Battle of Omdurman The Sudanese Armed Forces shells three RSF-held neighbourhoods in Omdurman, Khartoum State, Sudan, killing at least 18 people and injuring dozens more. (The Guardian) Syrian civil war Russia–United States relations The United States Central Command says that a Russian military jet damaged an MQ-9 Reaper drone in Syrian airspace on July 23, by ejecting flares while flying "dangerously close" to the U.S. aircraft. (BBC News) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Three Hamas members are killed by Israeli soldiers in the Nablus neighborhood of al-Tur, in the occupied West Bank. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces a $400 million military aid package to Ukraine. The package includes various anti-tank and air defense missiles, 32 Stryker armored fighting vehicles, Hydra 70 rockets, and Black Hornet Nano surveillance drones, among other equipment. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents Wildfires in 2023 2023 Italy wildfires Four people are killed by wildfires in southern Italy. A firefighter also dies in Sardinia while fighting fires in Baunei. (La Repubblica) 2023 Greece wildfires Two air force members are killed when a Canadair CL-215 waterbomber crashes on Evia island, Greece. (Metro) Four people are killed and several others are injured by floods in Lombardy, Italy. Heavy rains also occur in Veneto. (Fanpage) Health and environment Fifty-one long-finned pilot whales are found dead after beaching themselves on a beach near Albany, Western Australia, as part of a larger pod of nearly 100. State authorities and volunteers are working to redirect the remaining 46 whales to deeper waters. (AFP via CNA) International relations 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden Denmark–Egypt relations, Denmark–Turkey relations Far-right protesters set fire to copies of the Quran outside the Egyptian and Turkish embassies in Copenhagen, Denmark, prompting outrage from Muslim-majority countries. (Politico) Foreign relations of Egypt, Foreign relations of Sweden The Egyptian foreign ministry summons Sweden's envoy over protests in Stockholm that desecrated the Quran. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Law and crime Islamic terrorism in Europe Six men are found guilty of terrorist murder for their participation in the Brussels bombings in 2016, with two of them also being found guilty for their roles in the Paris attacks in 2015. (BBC News) Ecuadorian security crisis Ecuador declares a state of emergency in all prisons after gang clashes that killed 18 prisoners. (The Guardian) A 25-year-old man is charged with three counts of murder, including one as a domestic violence offense, four days after intentionally causing a fatal accident that killed three people on the Bruce Highway in Federal, Queensland, Australia. The suspected killer had been chasing one of the vehicles prior to the accident. (ABC News Australia) A five-month-old girl dies when Indian forces fire tear gas at Rohingya refugees trying to escape a detention centre in Hiranagar, Jammu and Kashmir. (The Guardian) The United States Department of Education initiates a civil rights investigation into Harvard University's legacy admissions policy, in accordance with the Supreme Court ruling Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard. (AFP via The Manila Times) One man and two teenaged boys from Guayama, Puerto Rico are found dead in the northern city of Carolina. Hours earlier, two Guayama teenaged girls, aged 13 and 15, had also been found dead inside a Toyota Tacoma vehicle near Luis Munoz Marin International Airport, also in Carolina. Authorities confirmed their belief that the crimes are related. (Telemundo) Politics and elections Capital punishment in Ghana The Parliament of Ghana votes to formally abolish the death penalty, becoming the latest African nation to end the punishment. The 176 prisoners currently on death row in Ghanian prisons will now have their sentences changed to life imprisonment. (BBC News) 2024 United States presidential election The presidential campaign of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis fires former National Review writer Nate Hochman for posting videos that include anti-LGBT and neo-Nazi content. (The Guardian) Chinese state media announces that Foreign Minister Qin Gang has been replaced by his predecessor Wang Yi. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup Casey Phair, participating as part of the South Korean football team in a match against Colombia, becomes the youngest player to appear at a FIFA Women's World Cup game at 16 years old. (NPR) The BBC apologises for asking Morocco captain Ghizlane Chebbak how many of the team are lesbians. (The Independent)

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RD: Rocky Wirtz

Article: Rocky Wirtz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Principal owner of the Chicago Blackhawks. A few things will need citations, but otherwise the article should be in good shape. rawmustard (talk) 01:07, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Monte Kwinter

Article: Monte Kwinter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TorStar
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Rushtheeditor (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is an appropriate length, but there are too many uncited statements. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 23:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Johnny Lujack

Article: Johnny Lujack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article in good shape. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article is good enough shape for posting. With his death, it seems that leaves just George Papach, Dub Jones, George Sims and Pete Wismann as the last NFL players of the 1940s. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Support pretty-well cited and an appropriate length for ITN ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Chris Bart-Williams

Article: Chris Bart-Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sierra-Leonese-born English footballer. Article good length and content, but needs a few more citations. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There's several cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Afghanistan floods

Article: 2023 Afghanistan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Floods in Afghanistan kill at least 31 people, injure 74 and 41 people are missing. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Afghanistan leaves at least 31 people dead and at least 41 missing.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, VOA, DW, RFE/RL
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Needs expansion Ainty Painty (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as it's a stub. Did propose better-worded altblurb, however. The Kip (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Question - is this that unusual a death toll? Floods, heat, and fire everywhere, with the increasingly unstable weather. Nfitz (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  Arid country, usually sees rainfall in December-April. Koltinn (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. The article needs to be expanded more. 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 13:57, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

July 24

Portal:Current events/2023 July 24

July 24, 2023 (2023-07-24) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine A child is killed and six people are wounded in a Russian missile strike on Kostiantynivka. (The Guardian) Dylan Collins, a journalist for Agence France-Presse, is wounded in Bakhmut by a Russian drone attack. (The Guardian) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russian forces attack Odesa Oblast with drones, destroying grain warehouses at the Reni Commercial Seaport and injuring seven civilians. (Reuters) 2022–2023 western Russia attacks Two drones damage buildings in Moscow, including one near the Defence Ministry headquarters. (Reuters) Somali Civil War Mogadishu military academy bombing An al-Shabaab suicide bomber blows himself up at a military academy in Mogadishu, Somalia, killing over 20 soldiers and injuring dozens more. (DW) Business and economy GAC Toyota, a subsidiary of Toyota, announces that they have cut off 1,000 jobs from China. (Nikkei Asia) Disasters and accidents 2023 North Africa wildfires Thirty-four people are killed, 26 others are injured, and thousands more are evacuated during wildfires in Algeria. (AFP via France 24) In Indonesia, at least 15 people are killed and 33 others are rescued after a ferry traveling from Buton to Muna capsizes off the coast of Sulawesi. (AFP via France 24) At least 14 people are killed when a pirogue capsizes off the coast of Dakar, Senegal. (AFP via Channels TV) International relations Foreign relations of Algeria, Foreign relations of Denmark, Foreign relations of Sweden 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden The Algerian foreign ministry summons Danish ambassador Ole Wøhlers Olsen and the Swedish chargé d'affaires following a series of protests involving Quran desecration in Copenhagen and Stockholm. (Xinhua) Mali–United States relations The United States announces sanctions on three senior Malian officials, including the country's Defence Minister Sadio Camara, for allegedly "helping to facilitate" the presence of the Russian paramilitary Wagner Group in the country. (Al Jazeera) North Korea–United States relations, North Korea–South Korea relations, South Korea–United States relations North Korea shoots two ballistic missiles into a sea, hours after the arrival of USS Annapolis at a port on South Korea's Jeju Island. (AP via The Guardian) Law and crime 2023 Israeli judicial reform The Knesset votes 64–0, with the 56-member opposition boycotting, to approve a law that prevents the Supreme Court from overturning government decisions on the basis of "reasonableness." (Reuters) The United States justice department files a lawsuit against the state of Texas for placing buoys in the Rio Grande as part of the state's effort to deter migrants from crossing into the United States. (NBC News) Indian police arrest 74 Rohingya refugees, including ten minors. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections New Zealand justice minister Kiri Allan resigns following charges of careless driving and refusal to accompany police after an alcohol-related car accident. (AP) Science and technology NASA announces that the James Webb Space Telescope has discovered water vapor around the PDS 70 star. (Forbes)

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RD: Cecilia Pantoja

Article: Cecilia Pantoja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BioBioChile
Credits:

• Nominated by Wikipexi2552 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rodm23 (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the greatest chilean female singers of all-time and one of the founders of the "nueva ola" movement in Chile and Latin America Wikipexi2552 (talk) 02:34, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• This is currently a 70-word stub in need of an expansion. es:Cecilia Pantoja may be useful. --PFHLai (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) (Ongoing/Blurb) 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests

Article: 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Israel, the Knesset approves of a judicial reform that would prevent judges from striking down government decisions (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After months of protests, the Israeli Knesset approves of a judicial reform that would prevent judges from striking down government decisions.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After months of protests, the Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill that would prevent judges from declaring government decisions unreasonable.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill after months of protests against it.
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I think it's time to put this back on the main page. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support The protests will get more headlines and more intense now that the Knesset have approved the controversial judicial reform. Article's also in good shape and it's been updated appropriately. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Might be better to have a new blurb along the lines of "Israeli government passes New law reducing the power of the country's courts, sparking a new wave of protests" (or along those lines) Masem (t) 21:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• I agree that a blurb seems more appropriate, now that the law has been adopted. In lieu of that, I would support ongoing, but right now, it's the top headline and should be treated as such. -- Kicking222 (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment As I stated, I would support it going into ongoing, but I would not be opposed to a blurb. I wasn't sure how to add a nom showing a blurb and an ongoing nom together. Please feel free to fix it if I screwed up :) --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't object to a blurb, but if we do go that route, it should mention the ongoing protests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support altblurb, then ongoing if it's still going on after the blurb rolls off. Meets notability standard, considering coverage of law and protests. The Kip (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb - per The Kip. Jusdafax (talk) 03:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The nomination does not list any sources. Having looked into this myself, it seems clear that the proposed blurbs are inaccurate. The law does not "prevent judges from striking down government decisions" as judicial review will still exist. The limitation is on the use of reasonableness as a justification. When you look at our article on reasonableness, it's easy to see why it's problematic because it is quite fuzzy and so tends to be a matter of opinion. The general topic here is judicial activism which is also being rolled back in other places such as the US. Explaining this clearly seems beyond the power of ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:26, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: What do you think of alt blurb 2? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Unsatisfactory. The bill does more than curb use of reasonableness; it also affects the appointment of judges and legal advisors. The target article has much to say about this and I haven't read it all but it seems easy to see an orange tag and substantial paragraphs with no citation. Note that our own supreme court has mandated that this part of the world is contentious and so must be treated with special care. A hasty, slapdash posting is therefore unwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Proposed & support alt blurb 2 This is important enough to post, both articles look good enough to post & the alt blurb I proposed mentions both of the important articles & I think it addresses Andrew's concerns. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 2, with ongoing optional if the protests continue. Regards SoWhy 10:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Propose altblurb to remove the need for us to come to an agreement on what the bill actually does: "The Israeli Knesset approves a judicial reform bill after months of protests against it." QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Added altblurb3 to the nomination, since (as I understand it) that's the procedure for proposing an altblurb. Please reprimand me or revert that if this is not, this is my first time diong this. THanksQueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb 2. I also nominated the protests before the Knesset approved the judicial reform.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 11:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support either altblurb and we should monitor to see if moving to ongoing is needed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted - I went with altblurb 3 (but with the same links as the others use) as this is the most concise wording, but if people still prefer alt2 instead we can edit it. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Trevor Francis

Article: Trevor Francis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Struway2 (talk · give credit) and 84.66.119.53 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Britain's first £1m footballer. Died of a heart attack aged 69. Article needs a lot of citations. Black Kite (talk) 13:59, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Although the article seems thin on the content it's fine for ITN-RD. Govvy (talk) 10:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not Ready per nom. Poorly sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support He's definitely notable enough, as a key figure of English football and a Serie A icon, but the article definitely needs more citations, especially in the sections about his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oltrepier (talk • contribs) 15:13, 2023 July 25 (UTC)
  • Notability is no longer a criteria for recent deaths, as it is subjective. The career is pretty much the whole article, and there are eight paragraphs with no citations, including his entire international career and three clubs. There is also no mention at all in the text about his brief stay in Australia. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Alagiah

Article: George Alagiah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support Article well sourced except for the three cn tags in the first paragraph of the awards section.Support Article in good shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, I've found references for the cn tags and it's otherwise well sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced, no maintenance tags. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 21:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 03:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

July 23

Portal:Current events/2023 July 23

July 23, 2023 (2023-07-23) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa A nighttime Russian missile attack on Odesa kills at least one person, injures 22 others, and severely damages the Transfiguration Cathedral. (AP) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency finds anti-personnel mines at the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, but notes that any detonation "should not affect the site's nuclear safety and security systems". (AFP via Barron's) (IAEA) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency At least four road patrol policemen are killed in an ambush in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (Reuters) Business and economy A deal to sell a controlling interest in the Israeli financial firm Phoenix Group to a consortium led by an Abu Dhabi state holding company falls through. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Raigad landslide The death toll from the landslide in Raigad, Maharashtra, India, increases to 27, with at least 50 people still missing, as monsoon rains complicate rescue efforts. (AFP via Dawn) 2023 Greece wildfires Emergency evacuations by boat take place in Corfu as wildfires rapidly spread in just a few hours, especially in the north of the island. (Mirror) Thousands of tourists flee their hotels in Rhodes, Greece, in what officials say is the largest evacuation in the country's history. (CNN) Flash floods in Afghanistan's Kabul, the Ghazni and Maidan Wardak provinces, have killed at least 31 people, injured 74 others, and left 41 missing in the past three days. Around 250 livestock are also killed. In neighboring Pakistan, thirteen people are also killed due to heavy rains and landslides. (AP) At least 33 people are killed and 21 others are injured when a building collapses in Douala, Cameroon. (BBC News) Eleven people are killed and three injured after a school's roof collapses in Qiqihar, Heilongjiang, China. (Al Jazeera) Nine people, including four soldiers, are killed when a civilian Antonov aircraft crashes due to technical issues in Port Sudan, Sudan. A child is the sole survivor of the crash. (AFP via The Daily Star) Eight people are killed after people siphoning fuel from a tanker that was involved in an accident explodes in Ondo State, Nigeria. (Reuters) One person is killed and 12 others are injured after a bridge collapses in Patras, Greece. (Greek City Times) International relations 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation suspends Sweden's special envoy in response to incidents of Quran desecration during public demonstrations permitted by the Swedish government in Stockholm. (AP) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023 A pregnant woman is killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting in a city park of Houston, Texas, United States. Two suspects are arrested. (People) Gun violence in the United States Six people are killed and 20 others are injured in shootings across Chicago, Illinois, United States. (Yahoo! News) A soldier kills 13 people, including ten children, during a mass shooting at his son's funeral in Nyamamba, Ituri Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Two people are killed and four more injured during a mass shooting in Manta, Ecuador. The city's mayor is among the killed. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 Spanish general election Spaniards head to the polls to elect the members of the Cortes Generales. (Reuters) Alberto Núñez Feijóo's People's Party wins the election, but falls short of a clear majority, while Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's Socialist Workers' Party holds slightly more seats with its allies despite finishing second, thus resulting in a hung parliament. (AP) 2023 Cambodian general election Cambodians head to the polls to elect the members of the parliament. (Reuters) The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the election, winning 120 out of 125 seats according to unofficial results, despite criticism over alleged suppression of the opposition. (AP) Sports 2022–23 PGA Tour 2023 Open Championship American golfer Brian Harman wins his first Open Championship, his first career major championship, and his first PGA Tour win in six years, by six shots over Australia's Jason Day, South Korea's Tom Kim, Spain's Jon Rahm, and Austria's Sepp Straka. (AP) 2023–24 SailGP championship In sailing, Spain win their first SailGP championship in the Los Angeles Sail Grand Prix in California, United States. (AP) 2023 World Aquatics Championships In the men's 400 metre individual medley, French swimmer Léon Marchand breaks the longstanding world record previously set by American swimmer Michael Phelps, finishing in 4 minutes, 2.5 seconds. (AFP via Channels TV) 2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League Hosts Poland win their first VNL title after defeating the United States 3–1 in the final at the Ergo Arena in Gdańsk. (Volleyball World)

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2023 Greece wildfires

Article: 2023 Greece wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thousands of tourists flee their hotels in Rhodes, Greece, from wildfires in what officials say is the largest emergency evacuation in the country's history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Wildfires in Greece result in what officials say is the largest emergency evacuation in the country's history.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Largest evacuation in country's history, spreading to other islands. Could be ongoing nomination as well. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

This *should* be under the 2023 heat waves article that has been proposed as a topic or ongoing but which has not seen much improvement or getting close to posting. I would Oppose this as an isolated event from that heat wave article since there were no deaths, and there have been dozens of heat-related wildfires in the world to do this year.

Also the blurb is completely missing the wildfire part which is a key driver. Masem (t) 12:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

"Emergency alerts were sent to residents on the island to warn them of the wildfires and to evacuate." Technology stopped the deaths but can't stop the fire. Well 1 death, 20 injured, 600 million euro damage and rising. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:33, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

It is but one wildfire in the world as part of the heat waves, and the only reason this one is getting coverage is that Greece doesn't get frequent wildfires, and the images of thousands of tourists trying to flee. TEXTURING this wildfires while letting others go unnoticed is absolutely an example of extreme bias in the news that we should avoid. Masem (t) 13:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major news with large impact on the tourist industry in one of the most popular tourist destinations in the world. I don't think this can be directly linked to the 2023 heat waves because it's a common misconception that heat waves cause wildfires (they may pose a major difficulty in the process of extinguishing the fires, but the most common reasons are arson and lightning).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  RS are clearly linking the wildfires to the heat wave that creates conditions for small sparks to spread quickly and unpredictably [2] Its the same situation in Canada and the US. Masem (t) 14:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - I have suggested an alt blurb which isnt focused entirely on tourists in Rhodes (as there have also been evacuations elsewhere), even though "tourists flee hotels" is the angle most English news outlets are taking. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support It's a bit light on info and heavily oversectioned (the international assistance could take up less screen space with a single table, for example), but I think there's enough here for the main page. Prefer altblurb for concision and more encyclopedic tone. --Jayron32 15:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt-blurb. -- Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, though it is on an important and widely reported issue. The article needs to be fleshed out more. Right now it reads like a telegram noting locations of fires and how many firefighter other countries sent. I find that a bit thin. Yakikaki (talk) 20:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose Multiple uncited claims, mostly in the international assistance section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support on notability, but the article needs quality updates. The Kip (talk) 01:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 Cambodian general election

Article: 2023 Cambodian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the Cambodian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the widely viewed as unfair Cambodian general election.
News source(s): (AP)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Obviously rigged election by a dictatorship but an election nonetheless. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - sham election, and the article doesn't make this clear. Some international reactions (if anyone has even bothered paying attention) would be a start. We can post an ITN item when/if the current leader hands power to his son. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:50, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose There was a similar discussion a few days ago where WP:IAR was used to justify not posting sham elections. The article's lead doesn't make the sham quality clear enough IMO. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support as precedent holds that sham elections are posted (c.f. Russia, Uzbekistan, etc.) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle We have poste·d parliamentary election that are neither free nor fair in the past, but the blurb has to be worded carefully (not a fan of the current blurb); in this case, an opposition party even broke through and was able to win several seats. Results table needs updating, and would like some more international reactions/condemnation besides just the US. Curbon7 (talk) 21:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  This should be included in the article: "Hun Sen issues threat to Cambodians who spoiled ballots". Curbon7 (talk) 20:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not enough in the article illustrates/gives context to its rigged nature. The Kip (talk) 01:31, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per The Kip. Once updated, I will support. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb (which I added), showing its rigged nature. Unknown-Tree (talk) 18:31, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Supportaltblurb, informative, well expanded article and ITN/R Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League

Article: 2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hosts Poland win their first VNL title after defeating the United States 3–1 in the final at the Ergo Arena in Gdańsk. (Post)
News source(s): Volleyball World
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worldwide tournament watched by 1.2 billion people apparently according to the article, big news in certain parts of the world. Needs more prose in support of tables but nicely updated otherwise. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now based on article quality. Table farm with very little prose describing the event. More overview is needed. Would support if that were fixed.--Jayron32 15:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - The Nations League does not appear to be the sport's main international championship, as FIVB also has the World Cup and World Championship. Given that FIFA's minor championships for men's soccer aren't also posted, it'd be only fair to reserve the right for other sports to be similarly limited. SounderBruce 22:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

  we post individual continental championships and the nations league, as well as certain domestic club competitions, so this is not true. We also post the 4 Grand Slams in tennis not just the Davis Cup and certain golfing events. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  I should amend my statement to say FIFA's minor intercontinental tournaments. The FIFA Confederations Cup and similar competitions are not posted. SounderBruce 03:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per SounderBruce. The Kip (talk) 01:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) 2023 British Open

Article: 2023 Open Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Brian Harman wins the Open Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Brian Harman wins the British Open.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major golf tournament. ITN/R. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment A handful of unsourced sentences/paragraphs but nearly all there in terms of good balance of prose to tables for this. Masem (t) 00:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support The article seem to be up to the level of the previous majors now. Since its a ITN/R, it shouldn't take long to get support. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article has a solid amount of prose and seems to be good quality otherwise. The Kip (talk) 01:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support The article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the Criteria and exemptions subsection needs clearing up and clarifying, very confusing; maybe a table like for the others would be better?. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - well-cited and good looking article, should be posted soon ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) 2023 Tour de France

Article: 2023 Tour de France (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cycling, Jonas Vingegaard (pictured) wins the Tour de France. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Blaylockjam10 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major cycling event. ITN/R. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment Back of the race is completely absent from "Race overview" (assuming I'm reading all the tables right). Needs to be added, but the rest of the article seems ready to go once that's done. Masem (t) 00:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Will work on it today. Turini2 (talk) 07:18, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Have written the lead section - the article now looks good to me! Turini2 (talk) 16:57, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support I have added the time trial and the two decisive mountainous stages of week three and the final stage as well. So back of the race overview is included now. I will expand week two a bit to balance it out.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:36, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Most famous cycling event, and an international event. 2607:9880:2D28:108:453C:13F1:EDA4:394C (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Every stage has been summarized now & it's well-referenced. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Plenty of good prose on the background and the whole race, a good quality well-sourced article. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, A significant event and the article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:43, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(Ready) Spain general election

Article: 2023 Spanish general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Spain, the conservative People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) comes first in the general election (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) comes first in the general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) wins a plurality of votes in the general election
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) receives a plurality of votes in the general election
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Spain, the general election results are indecisive, with the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo, (pictured) receiving a plurality of votes.
Alternative blurb V: ​ In Spain, the People's Party, led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo, (pictured) wins the most votes in the general election.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ In Spain, the general election results in a hung parliament, with the People's Party led by Alberto Núñez Feijóo (pictured) receiving a plurality of votes
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Orbitalbuzzsaw (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit) and Impru20 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Significant, especially if the government ends up being PP/VOX. Not formally ITN/R but strong precedent for general elections. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• • Response to nominator's comments. It won't be a PP/VOX government as they're around 10 seats short of a majority, unless they form a minority government or form a bigger coalition which includes others as well. Could very much end up in a grand left-wing coalition government too. The blurb may very well need changing a lot potentially as a result. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Isn't this ITN/R? But wait because the ultimate result is not yet decided. Kingsif (talk) 22:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Yeah, it's ITN/R. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:45, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait results section need be filled. Shadow4dark (talk) 22:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment regardless of the current state, the identifier "conservative" needs to be removed from the blurb. I know the story is the concern that this is establishing a far-right majority in the Spanish gov't, but here at ITN, we're not to politicize these things, we don't do this for other elections. --Masem (t) 23:27, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Until all the results come out. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support and added altblurb2. We know which party received the most votes, and that is what we post. As to who actually "won" is very much up to interpretation and analysis, as is often the case in multi-party democracies with outcomes needing coalition agreements to secure a majority. Added a blurb in the forms usually used for elections in such situations. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb 3 as the better blurb and withdrawing altblurb 2.
• Comment From what I'm hearing, if PSOE can't form a grand-left coalition, then there is likely to be another election in the fall, which is what happened in both 2015 and 2019. PP is unlikely to form a majority government here, as that would involve a coalition between Vox and the separatists, who are opposed to each other. This is still ITN/R, but I think putting the focus on PP in the blurb right now gives a false impression of where the results actually are. Curbon7 (talk) 00:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Support ALT3 or 4 Still ITN/R, and the article looks pretty good. Curbon7 (talk) 21:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

    Preference for ALT6. Curbon7 (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait, and leaning oppose, we'd better blurb the new government once it assumesParadise Chronicle (talk) 08:39, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support with a blurb like "... receives the most votes". This is in the news now, and a government might take months to form. Sandstein 09:01, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 3 This best describes the outcome of the election, without being editorialized. At this point you can't meaningfully say more about what government will be formed, and we might not know for several months, especially if there is another election. Gust Justice (talk) 10:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support modified Alt 3; use "the most votes" for "plurality" per MOS:COMMONALITY. --Jayron32 15:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment @СтасС: your nomination was a duplicate of this. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt 4. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:14, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support ALT3. The Kip (talk) 01:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb 4 The article looks good & alt blurb 4's the most accurate description of what happened. Since it looks like there's a hung parliament, Idk if there should be a picture of Feijóo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt 3 Article looks ready. They are not so indecisive. Seeing the positions of the different parties, what is evident is that the Popular Party does not have enough support (and will not have), support that tends to move towards the PSOE, whose parliamentary support it had in 2020 tends to be reedited. With the ghost of the electoral repetition present, of course. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose altblurb 3 I don't think "receives" should replace "wins" because it's a fact that the People's Party won the most votes. The only uncertainty is whether it'd be enough to form a government, which is not our business at this moment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:12, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  But you could argue also that they lost because they did not receive enough votes to govern, which in a way is how you win an election. Having the most votes isn't necessarily the same as winning. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:41, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  The results of the general elections are on ITN/R, not the outcome of the ensuing process of government formation. Note that we’ve posted multiple election winners in the past that failed to form a government. Having the most votes in a Spanish general election translates to most seats won and the right to form a government. So, it’s the same as winning the election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  All the blurbs proposed here show the results of the general election though. My argument is that in this instance this isn't a win if the opposition has a bigger chance to form a government due to the result of the election. We posted large coalition formations previously and worded it as altblurb3 when unclear before too. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  The opposition didn’t form a coalition that won the election, and whether it has a bigger chance to form a government lies on a crystall-ball territory (What if the People’s Party manages to form a government with the smaller parties?). Furthermore, words such as “receive” are inappropriate even for sham elections, not to mention fair and free elections in democratic countries.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Summon admin as consensus seems to be in favor of posting This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Vince Hill

Article: Vince Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Abcmaxx (talk) 20:22, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Conditional Support pretty well-cited otherwise, but the discography needs more citations ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Destruction of the Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa

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Article: Bombing of Odesa (2022–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa is partially destroyed during the bombing of the city by the Russian forces. (Post)
News source(s): CNN - Reuters

• Oppose Covered by ongoing. --Masem (t) 14:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose' - covered by ongoing.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Eh... Why the hell was this snow-closed after what seems like just an hour? It's Sunday - people have lives aside from checking Wikipedia on an hourly basis. I would have appreciated it this could have been kept open for some more time - I personally might have supported given the damage caused to part of the Odesa World Heritage site. For all the destruction caused in Ukraine so far, this is a sad new highlight. It would have been nice to give people the opportunity to make the case for this nomination. Khuft (talk) 18:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I can see some non-trivial significance because the airstrikes damaged a UNESCO World Heritage Site, the Historic Centre of Odesa. But the article has been tagged for updating since February 2023. Brandmeister^talk 18:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I'd agree that the ongoing item shouldn't be seen as all-encompassing. If atrocities take place that are very bad, it would be appropriate to mention them. I'm not sure this event quite reaches that level, though. Blythwood (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment excessively fast close per above. Nonetheless, Oppose on the merits This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:46, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I agree that this post was closed early as per above, however, given that the event is covered by ongoing, I would still Oppose. Editor 5426387 (talk) 21:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Reopened. Stephen 22:40, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close - covered by ongoing. Jusdafax (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, leaning Strong support. Major world heritage site. Odesa was relatively unscathed until the past week. This is like the first Kerch Bridge bombing. Not infrastructure, but religion is a major issue to both sides in the conflict. This is like when Notre Dame Cathedral was burned down, but imagine if it was done deliberately. Wait for a few more !votes. 142.116.141.121 (talk) 04:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Third Strong Close and Eighth Overall Oppose Imagine if men, women and children were bombed, scathed and burned down deliberately. "Wait", you don't have to. It's also "ongoing"; war is Hell. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Agree with previous supporter. Major component of Odesa World Heritage Site severely damaged, which resulted in UNESCO "strongly condemning" Russian actions (first time they explicitly did so, I believe). I get it, everything is part of ongoing, but we've done exceptions for major events in the past. And it would be nice once in a while to feature news from the Cultural sphere. Khuft (talk) 06:46, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Reopened after Paradise Chronicle tried to close it again. Support per Khuft. Stop closing this, this is far from SNOW and we need to be a bit more judicious as to which discussions we rush to close, because most of the time, consensus isn't as clear as it might appear after just a few hours. Let it run. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I just like to point out that this is apparently covered by WP:GS/RUSUKR, which apparently means that all votes from non-extended confirmed users (including myself) should be disregarded. YD407OTZ (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• CommentSorry for closing, didn't see it was reopened. I just saw the at the time large majority of oppose votes and didn't believe this will make the turn around. Anyhow, there are still three unsourced paragraphs.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close per above. Consensus isn’t going to change here. The Kip (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 22

Portal:Current events/2023 July 22

July 22, 2023 (2023-07-22) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Ukraine strikes an ammunition depot in occupied Crimea, leading to the evacuation of houses within a 5-kilometre (3.1 mi) radius. (AP) Arts and culture LGBT rights in Malaysia The Ministry of Communications and Digital cancels a music festival in Sepang, Selangor, after Matty Healy, the lead vocalist of English band the 1975, openly criticized the country's anti-LGBT laws and kissed his male bandmate on stage. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed and ten others are injured in a hot water pipe burst accident at a mall in Moscow, Russia. (Reuters) A thunderstorm in Serbia kills three people and causes widespread damage and power disruptions. (AP) A deck collapse at a country club in Billings, Montana, United States, injures more than 30 people. (AP) Health and environment 2023 heat waves 2023 European heat waves The National Observatory of Athens reports that Greece faces its longest-ever heat wave, with temperatures expected to exceed 40 °C (104 °F), marking a possible 16–17-day wave. The country remains on an alert state. (AFP via Herald Sun) NASA climatologist Gavin Schmidt states that July 2023 is anticipated to be the hottest month recorded "in hundreds, if not thousands, of years", attributing the trend to continuous greenhouse gas emissions. (AFP via Le Monde) COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines President Bongbong Marcos formally ends the declaration of COVID-19 as a public health emergency in the country. (Khaleej Times) About 2,000 Magellanic penguins are found dead along Uruguay's eastern coast, with their cause of death remaining undetermined, although the environment ministry has ruled out avian influenza. Advocates point to overfishing and a recent subtropical cyclone as potential factors, while additional marine wildlife deaths, including sea turtles and sea lions, are also reported in the region. (AFP via NDTV) International relations 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden Iran–Sweden relations Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei states that people who desecrate the Quran should face the "most severe punishment", and that Sweden has "gone into battle-array for war on the Muslim world". (Reuters) Denmark–Iraq relations Protests in Copenhagen, Denmark, involving Quran desecration, responding to similar protests in Sweden, trigger unrest in Iraq, leading to an attempted breach of Baghdad's Green Zone and armed attacks on Danish Refugee Council facilities in Basra. (AP via PBS) The Democratic Republic of the Congo announces plans to "monitor" aid agencies operating in the country due to reported security issues and concerns over potential subversive activities amid ongoing armed conflict. (AFP via The Manila Times) Law and crime Eleven people are killed in an arson attack at a bar in San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora, Mexico. The perpetrator was thrown out by the bar shortly before the attack for being heavily drunk and harassing women. (Reuters) Sports Women's World Chess Championship 2023 In chess, Ju Wenjun wins her fourth Women's World Chess Championship title after a victory in the 12th game of the match against challenger Lei Tingjie. (FIDE)

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RD: Sherry Ayittey

Article: Sherry Ayittey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://myjoyonline.com/former-fisheries-minister-sherry-ayittey-dead/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ampimd (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable & renowned Ghanaian politician, minister for several ministries in Ghana. Well written article Ampimd (talk) 18:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Needs a bit of ref improvement currently. - Indefensible (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  References have been improved. Better now? If not kindly point out the areas for improvement thanks. Ampimd (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) UN World Food programme member killed

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Article: Killing of Moayad Hamidi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Moayad Hamidi, a senior UN World Food Programme (WFP) staff member from Jordan, was shot and killed by unknown gunmen in southwest Yemen in Turbah, Taiz. (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sadly there are no articles about this this person and the tragic event that happened to him and if someone can create them that'll be very appriciated Abo Yemen✉ 14:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is not how ITN works. You need to first have an article. Then you propose a blurb at ITN, where editors will judge the blurb based on quality of article and significance of event. Tradedia^talk 15:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose and snow close No article, a theoretical article doesn’t seem to

meet WP:EVENTCRIT (tragic but looks fairly routine given the civil war in Yemen), and even if there was an article the event just simply doesn’t seem significant enough for ITN. I don’t think this nom is going anywhere so I’m suggesting a snow close. For the nominator if this is your first nom don’t be discouraged, keep trying. I also recommend you read How ITN works (and how it doesn’t), it’s a good essay that’ll inform you about common practice in ITN. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Ill be sure to read it! Abo Yemen✉ 17:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Snow close. Create article first Kirill C1 (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There's not even an article, this seems insignificant, and given that there isn't even a article, must I explain further? Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:DBN Abo Yemen✉ 19:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 21

Portal:Current events/2023 July 21

July 21, 2023 (2023-07-21) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Bombing of Odesa The Russian Armed Forces strike grain warehouses in Odesa with Kalibr missiles, destroying 120 tons of crops and injuring two civilians, according to Governor Oleh Kiper. (CNN) Bombing of Mykolaiv The Russian Armed Forces strike a building in Mykolaiv, killing two civilians. (Yeni Şafak) 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Khartoum Fifteen civilians and 19 army officers are killed in a drone attack in Khartoum, Sudan. (Globe Echo) War in Darfur At least 20 civilians are killed and more than 45 others are injured by rocket attacks on residential areas in Nyala, South Darfur, and shelling in proximity to hospitals in El-Obeid, North Kordofan, as per reports from medical professionals and lawyers. (AFP via Arab News) Yemeni civil war A World Food Programme employee is killed by unknown assailants in Taiz, Yemen, with security forces launching a pursuit of the individuals responsible. (AFP via Manila Bulletin) Business and economy A wet market in Tomohon, North Sulawesi, Indonesia, becomes the country's first market to cease the cat and dog meat trade following prolonged campaigning by local activists and global figures, supported by the Humane Society International. (AP via Los Angeles Times) Health and environment Gambia cough syrup scandal The Gambian government identifies imported Indian cough syrups as the cause of at least 70 child deaths to kidney failure, leading to regulatory changes and potential legal action against the manufacturer, Maiden Pharmaceuticals. The World Health Organization confirms lethal antifreeze substances in the syrups. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Nigeria's northwestern Kaduna State reports an outbreak of diphtheria, which has killed 10 children since early July. (Xinhua) Law and crime Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia Police detain former intelligence officer, separatist commander and Angry Patriots Club leader Igor Girkin for alleged extremism. (AFP via The Guardian) One person is killed and three others are injured in a mass stabbing near a subway station in Seoul, South Korea. The attacker is apprehended. (AFP via The Hindustan Times) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Guatemalan general election Police raid the headquarters of the opposition party Movimiento Semilla and presidential candidate Bernardo Arévalo in Guatemala City, Guatemala. (Reuters) Iran–United States relations The US military deploys Marines and other assets to the Persian Gulf in response to seizures and attempted seizures of shipping by naval forces of Iran. (Politico) Sports 2023 Leagues Cup In association football, Lionel Messi makes his North American debut for Major League Soccer club Inter Miami CF in the Leagues Cup group stage match against Liga MX club Cruz Azul. During the final minutes of the game, he scored a goal to help Miami win the game. (ESPN) (The Spun) 2023 Diamond League In athletics, Faith Kipyegon of Kenya sets a new women's mile record, finishing the Herculis at Stade Louis-II in Fontvieille, Monaco, in 4:07.64 and surpassing the previous 2019 record held by Sifan Hassan of the Netherlands. (CNN)

RD: Mike Ivie

Article: Mike Ivie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support Article lede mentions he played outfield and designated hitter, which isn't mentioned in the article (which discusses well his switch from catcher to first base), but otherwise meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 04:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Washington Commanders sale

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Article: Josh Harris (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A group led by Josh Harris (pictured) purchases the NFL's Washington Commanders from Daniel Snyder for $6.05 billion, setting a record for the largest sales transaction for a sports franchise. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dissident93 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I believe being buyer of the largest sales transaction of a sports club or franchise to date is notable enough for a blurb. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion it isn't. Sales ard happening every day, someone will hold a record.. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Aye. In this case, the actual majority holder is the Danaher Corporation. There might be something to this proposal, but I'm not seeing Tony Bennett's photo getting upstaged by a living person I've heard even less about. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

The photo was not meant to upstage any existing photo. Its source is also unknown and will be replaced by something better once the option is available. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 10:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

And my comment wasn't intended to accuse you (or whomever might have nominated this), it's just what would happen, matter of coursely. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Including a photo that you know can't be used seems... well, absurd. Just don't add a photo to the nomination. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose I don’t see the significance. Sports teams have basically become status symbols for rich people and thus prices are inflated significantly (although the value of sports has actually increased). There will always be sports team sales and people looking to display their wealth among other reasons and with the increased competition and interest sports team sale records will eventually be broken. We can’t just post it every time that happens and we didn’t even nominate the last record-breaking sports team sale (Todd Boehly buying Chelsea). I know Triple C is a thing but I’m just saying. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

That reminds me, Triple H is also a thing and the sports franchise he leads is (tentatively) worth nine big ones. Yes, it's entertainment. But it's still sports entertainment to me, dammit. Not a dealbreaker. Just maybe it should read "team" instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I didn’t even notice my omission of team from other two instances haha. Thanks for telling me! Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I didn't notice that, either, but now that you mention it, sports sale is technically undefined here. Kind of sounds like a sporting goods sale and kind of like what you meant. Could go either way, honestly...but that's a worry for another day, you're welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose it's something of a niche "record" and it's one that could very well be overtaken quite quickly with the sale of Manchester United; I don't see that we could keep posting these every time it happens. Black Kite (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose not that relevant outside this sport. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The Washington Commanders? Never heard of them... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and SNOW Not front-page news, and a record that will be broken repeatedly for many years to come. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see how the sale of a local club, in a national league of a sport only played in a single nation, is notable. Maybe if it was well-known and moving to a place far away; but selling a franchise in a top league is a dime-a-dozen. I'd think that a sale like they controversial sale of Chelsea, or the selling of Newcastle to the Saudi government would be more notable - but still not ITN; at least it'd have wider coverage. It's a big amount, but it's not that dissimilar to the sale price of Chelsea, or the Denver Broncos last year. Nfitz (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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RD: Malú Urriola

Article: Malú Urriola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Tercera
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks good (assuming good faith on Spanish sources). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Support, Article is fine Alex-h (talk) 19:09, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough to post. Editor 5426387 (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brian O'Neill

Article: Brian O'Neill (ice hockey, born 1929) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article appears sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Articles appears to be well-cited, and I am quite impressed with how in-depth the article covers his career in just three paragraphs. Curbon7 (talk) 06:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Tony Bennett

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Article: Tony Bennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American singer Tony Bennett (pictured) dies at the age of 96 (Post)
News source(s): Variety, BBC, AP, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer, GA article (from 2009) --Vacant0 (talk) 12:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support you just beat me to the nom ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Clarification: Support RD, Weak Oppose Blurb per Humbledaisy below. Personally, I feel like we are going a bit overboard with blurbing RD's lately ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs
• Blurb - easy pass on quality, merits a blurb on significance, seeing as the Washington Post and NYTimes already have obits, and Id expect BBC with its breaking news alert to follow shortly. nableezy - 12:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Support blurb There are a handful of last sentences on paragraphs in his bio about more recent performances that are unsourced but that these could be removed. RD is clearly ready, I really want to support a blurb because this is a case that should clearly have a blurb, but really would like to see some type of section about impact/legacy, which should be possible from the obits that are coming out (eg career spanning many generations and musical styles, influence to other singers, etc.), this is not a case where I think the importance is being handwaved but it really needs to be documented on its own in the article itself. --Masem (t) 12:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Specifically, currently "Great American Songbook" -which Bennett is nominally credited for and supporting through his career, only appears once and in a parenthetical. This is clearly part of a legacy that needs to be discussed from the obits. --Masem (t) 13:17, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support RD, support blurb Not really much to be said. Article is a GA and is excellent in terms of length, depth and sourcing. I also think it’s worth a blurb as well, due to the quality of the article (although some extra work to establish the sui generis significance needed for a blurb in the article itself would be nice) and the notability of the person. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Eight decades (or more?) career, twenty Grammys, large than life personality, what else should be for blurb? Kirill C1 (talk) 13:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Taking a quick look at the article, there are paragraphs and lines without sources. It needs to be revised. I think Bennett is one of the most deserving of a blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • @Alsoriano97:: Fixed up by adding sources. Are there any more areas that need sourcing?

  TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  @TDKR Chicago 101: I've just added a CN tag in Personal life section. Nothing serious. Thanks for your work! _-_Alsor (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb in principle, but the article contains unreferenced lines of text (it's very weird that this is a GA).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• It even had unsourced text when it became a GA in 2009. Things were different then. Weak Support by the way, when quality issues are resolved; Bennett seems to be right on the borderline of ITNability. Black Kite (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • @Black Kite: I tried adding some more sourced to the article. The recent obits have been a great help to fix up his article.

  TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb, article is excellent and is GA. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 13:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb Bennett was an influential singer with a career that lasted for decades and won numerous of accolades. The article is in good enough shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb Slam-dunk nom, extremely influential and long-lasting career in the world of music. Article needs some quality fixes, however. The Kip (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• RD posted Consensus that quality is met. Blurb discussion can continue.—Bagumba (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Tony obviously had a long and distinguished career, but I think the last man standing factor might have magnified his cultural significance somewhat. He was not quite the top in his field during the 1950s-1960s height of his career; his peak roughly coincided the commercial and critical peaks of the likes of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Nat King Cole, Bing Crosby and Perry Como. I don’t think he’d be getting considered for a blurb if those performers hadn’t predeceased him. Humbledaisy (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Had Sinatra or Perry Como died when Wikipedia already existed they would have been blurbed, I don't understand the argument. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb mostly per Humbledaisy. A popular and well-known figure in the entertainment world but not quite in the top tier. The article is in excellent shape (for a change) and certainly good enough for RT. But a blurb is not warranted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  If he wasn't in top tier, then who was? Kirill C1 (talk) 18:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Well, Sinatra, who achieved almost 40 US top 20 studio albums over the 1950s and 60s. Bennett made 27 studio albums in the 50s and 60s and just six of them made the US top 40 (only I Left My Heart in San Francisco charted in the UK). Only one album charted in the 50s. Obviously he was successful, but he didn't have the kind of sustained success I'd say would qualify as top tier. Humbledaisy (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    Sinatra died long time ago.

    We blurbed both Elizabeth II and dos Santos, and both Kumar and Sidney Poitier, and Tina Turner and Indian singer. We blurb different people, it is not like only one person qualifies for each field. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    That was exactly my point in my earlier comment on this nomination - if Sinatra and co were not long dead, we would not be considering Bennett. It is his longevity that has made him appear more prominent than he was, IMO. Your mileage may vary but Sinatra, Martin, Como et al all have recordings that are still intensely well-known today, at least in the Anglophone sphere, and I don't think Bennett's best-known recordings are quite at that level of recognition. Humbledaisy (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    I’m more familiar w/Bennett than I am w/Como. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb per above. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD This is a well-written article and I saw no {cn} or orange tags when I checked it. As for the blurb, I am leaning towards strong support earlier but I think Humbledaisy raised a good point; however, I am still voting weak support blurb because although Sinatra, Como, Cole, etc. were clearly more famous than him and had more lasting legacies, I think his longevity in the music industry is enough to warrant a blurb (albeit less convincing than the others that were blurbed/not blurbed in the past; the discussion re: Barbara Walters last December/January comes to mind.) Vida0007 (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb This person does seem to be a very well known figure over in America, article is in great condition, and person is very influential with a very long career in the Music industry. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:53, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb I was on the fence until remembering that what I think of his legacy shouldn't matter. Reading obituaries mentioning his singing for presidents and royalty, winning 20 Grammys, having #1 albums a half-century apart, taking part in civil rights marches... the importance and relevance are there. -- Kicking222 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Singing for presidents and royalty, winning 20 Grammys and having #1 albums a half-century apart is a rather extraordinary achievement. Even doing one of those things could set a person apart from his or her peers, regardless of age at death. But taking part in civil rights marches is all about blending in with the crowd, which is why the title characters from the Million Man March, Million Woman March and even Million People March are largely unsung. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Nothing about the death requires the extra explanation that a blurb provides. All that needs to be said is that he died. RD is designed exactly for that. --Jayron32 18:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Didn't we recently put up a blurb for Milan Kundera? All it says is "Czech-French writer Milan Kundera dies at the age of 94." Then why can't we do the same for Tony? 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 20:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  The blurb for Kundera should never have been posted in the first place. Same with Bennett. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Same for everyone whose "story" is just a truncated version of their lead (past, present and future). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's an idea that with RD blurbs, we should be able to include a 6-10 word phrase that succinctly gets the reason the person who is important across quickly. Eg for Bennett "who popularized the "Great American Songbook" over five decades" or something like that. I'm sure wordsmiths could make that tighter. But I would think we need to brainstorm how to do this first on the talk page. But I do see the valid issue that if we are just saying "X dies at the age of YY", that's not really any more helpful than an RD line mention. Masem (t) 01:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  The main RD page covers this death as Tony Bennett, 96, American singer ("I Left My Heart in San Francisco", "Rags to Riches", "Because of You"), 20-time Grammy winner. We could replace the final comma and add "dies" to end our copy or could go Photo RD or could let the established necrology exclusively do its job. I think all of these fine ideas have been pitched at Talk, in various words, to no avail. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support Blurb Household name, and an excellent opportunity to prominently feature a GA on the main page. SunsetShotguns (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, and Post Support RD Bennett is one of the rare cases where the article is a GA, and his legacy crossed several generations. From his hit making days in the 50's and 60's, his strong popularity with many of his time (I.e, can think of think of Sinatra saying something along the lines of "Money's worth" to see him preform.), and the many modern day artists he's worked with or influenced (Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse), and winning 20 Grammys, seems to me blurb written to a t. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb He has accomplished way more than enough to deserve this. Grammy and chart topper across the decades if not the better part of the century. CoatCheck (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb I also think both the article and Bennett's career have all they need to deserve a mention. It's quite a shame he never achieved that kind of fame in Europe, as well, but still, he was definitely an important figure within American music. Oltrepier (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb - GA article, multi-generational icon, ITN blurb consensus clear. Jusdafax (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb No issues with sourcing now (although there shouldn't be cites in the lede—why are they there?), and his strong significance merits a blurb. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 21:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb The article’s quality is good enough & his career merits a blurb. He easily merits a blurb if Kundera deserves a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:05, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support Blurb Article quality is sufficient. Leading figure in his field. Household name. Popular appeal and public interest are inadequately weighted in death blurbs and RD. Dr Fell (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted as blurb Stephen 00:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Serious question Have we come up with sensible rules about blurbing old, dead people yet? HiLo48 (talk) 03:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

“Awarded” to HiLo48 for breathtaking lack of clue and general insensitivity to consensus. Take to the Talk page, if you must. Not here. Jusdafax (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Seriously though, no need for another Talk, we've already decided to decide anew each time. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

So, still no rules. It sure looked that way here. The absence of rules will inevitably lead to a seeming lack of sensitivity. How long can we keep up this idiocy? HiLo48 (talk) 06:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

There's an unwritten rule I've noticed about getting five or more Ayes or Nays in a row, seems to seal the deal, loosely speaking. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

LOL. Yes, that seems to be the case. HiLo48 (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Trout seconded. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Pull Never heard of him before now.Fdfexoex (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  He made duets with Stevie Wonder and Sting, among other things. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's actually a very bad argument. Imagine opposing a blurb of, let's say, George Michael, dying, just because you've never heard of him. Granted, everyone's heard of George Michael, but that's basically your entire "pull" argument. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Pull It happens Not on any of The Rat Pack's "level" (among other still well-regarded crooners of yore). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I think he is more famous than Joey Bishop or Lawford.

  And there are 22 votes for blurb and 5 opposes. There was a clear consensus before posting. You could have voted then, I mean. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Admins are supposed to assess the content and quality of comments, NOT count votes. Otherwise I could just get 50 of my friends to agree with me here. Or post under 50 aliases. HiLo48 (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Let's check content of an oppose comment "Oppose blurb Nothing about the death requires the extra explanation that a blurb provides. All that needs to be said is that he died. RD is designed exactly for that."

  I have to give it to Jayron, he is consistent in his opinion and uses the same argument always. But this is not what is written in guidelines, because this concerns one blurb type, where death is the story, and there is another one, for which we blurbed Sidney Poitier, Milan Kundera, Tina Turner, Jim Brown recently. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Are you saying there ARE guidelines? Where? HiLo48 (talk) 08:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recent_deaths#Blurbs_for_recent_deaths

  There are Death as news story and Major figure types of blurbs.

  Here is major figure type. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  So how do we unarguably identify a major figure? Don't say "consensus". It obviously doesn't work, because so many editors read that as counting votes, which we must not do. And such an approach would eliminate almost everyone not from a popular activity in the US or the UK. HiLo48 (talk) 08:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Not in my household, he isn't (though his most famous song gets more play than any Lawford movie). And I could only have voted in time in theory. In practice, I wasn't here. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I saw your replies to posts and didn't check time code. Indeed, they were done after the posting of article. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I knew it! I'm not the only one, either. It happened with that Czech guy whose best book I believe most English readers only saw the movie about, it happened to the guy who got this Pull rolling and it'll happen to you one day, too. It's as unenviable a position as it is inevitable. Anyway, since you were so kind as to admit your mistake, I've given y'all a pass on my end of the Pull, this time. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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Raigad Landslide

Article: 2023 Raigad landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, a landslide in the state of Maharashtra kills at least 26 people and traps more than a hundred others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, severe weather causes a landslide in Maharashtra and flooding in other states with hundreds of casualties.
News source(s): AP - Reuters - Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hughesdarren (talk · give credit), 77.100.222.101 (talk · give credit) and Quake1234 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: More than 100 people are feared dead in India after a landslide traps dozens, with 16 already confirmed dead. Article needs work. — Knightoftheswords 01:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - not seeing the long-term significance of this. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 02:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the death toll seems insignificant on ITN, there seems to be no long-term significant impact, and this only seems to affect Maharashtra. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• There is already a blurb for Indian flooding and landslides. Stephen 02:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Northern Indian. Maybe this could be worked in, the toll combined and the qualifier removed. But maybe not. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose I don’t see how this event is that significant right now, but can be persuaded if further developments occur. Quality wise the article isn’t the worst but still needs a good amount of work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Needs article improvement but support updating the related blurb to reference both articles once ready. - Indefensible (talk) 06:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now based solely on article quality. It's quite light on information. If the article were expanded to a more appropriate depth-of-coverage, I could fully support this. --Jayron32 10:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article's not much more than a stub. Undecided on notability, but leaning oppose. The Kip (talk) 15:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, This does not seem to be a significant event and the article is too short. Alex-h (talk) 19:03, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

July 20

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July 20, 2023 (2023-07-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Odesa attacks At least three people are killed and eight civilians are injured in a Russian strike on Odesa, Ukraine. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) The consulate general of China in Odesa suffers minor damage during the Russian strike. (Reuters) Mykolaiv attacks Russian forces strike Mykolaiv, Ukraine, injuring at least 19 civilians. (Reuters) (The Kyiv Independent) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that it is still awaiting access to the rooftops of Ukraine's Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar, despite being permitted to view the fuel cooling pools amid allegations of the plant's usage as an atomic bargaining chip. (AFP via The Manila Times) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Two policemen are killed and two more injured during a shooting by Pakistani Taliban gunmen at a checkpoint in Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Geo TV) Two Pakistani Taliban members blow themselves up at a police station and government station in Bara, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing four police officers and wounding eleven more. (ABC News) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge The Turkish central bank raises its main interest rate from 15% to 17.5% in order to control rising inflation, after the key rate nearly doubled last month. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2023 Raigad landslide Sixteen people are killed and 100 others are believed to be missing during a landslide in Raigad, Maharashtra, India. (The Hindu) Fifty-six people, mostly children, are hospitalized after they suffocated due to inhalation of chlorine gas that leaked from a swimming pool in Alexandria, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Around 270 people are airlifted from a Glacier 3000 aerial tramway on the Tsanfleuron Glacier in the Diablerets massif in Switzerland following an electrical failure. (AFP via The Manila Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Tokelau Tokelau's government announces the first community outbreak of COVID-19 on Fakaofo, the last of country's three atolls to report cases of the virus, as the number of COVID-19 cases exceeds fifty patients. (RNZ) 2023 European heat waves At least 110 people are injured during extreme hailstorms in Veneto, Italy. (The Guardian) A state of emergency is declared on the island of Rhodes, Greece, with evacuation orders issued for several mountain areas. (The Guardian) International relations Iraq–Sweden relations Protests against Quran desecration in Sweden Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr set fire to the Swedish embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, in response to a planned Quran desecration demonstration in Stockholm, Sweden. The Swedish foreign ministry confirms the safety of its embassy staff while the Iraqi foreign ministry condemns the incident, initiating an investigation to identify those responsible. (AFP via Today) Iraqi prime minister Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani directs the foreign ministry to expel the Swedish ambassador to Iraq. (DW) North Korea–United States relations North Korea and weapons of mass destruction North Korean defence minister Kang Sun-nam warns that the deployment of the USS Kentucky ballistic missile submarine to South Korea on July 18 could provoke his country to use its nuclear weapons under its law. (AFP via CNA) Bolivia–Iran relations Bolivia and Iran sign a memorandum of understanding in Tehran, Iran, with both countries vowing to strengthen defence and security cooperation. (Xinhua) Russia–European Union relations The European Union imposes sanctions on the director of the Russian prison incarcerating opposition leader Alexei Navalny. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime 2023 Auckland shooting Three people are killed, including the shooter, and six others are injured in a mass shooting at a construction site in the central business district of Auckland, New Zealand. (Reuters) Politics and elections Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia Prosecutors recommend an additional 20-year prison sentence for Alexei Navalny, who is currently serving a nine-year sentence for embezzlement and contempt of court, on extremism charges. (AFP via The Guardian) Sports 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup The ninth edition of the FIFA Women's World Cup opens in New Zealand, with the co-hosts defeating Norway 1–0 in the opening match at Eden Park in Auckland. A minute's silence was observed prior to the match for the victims of the shooting that occurred several hours earlier. (AP)

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RD: Bambang Kristiono

Article: Bambang Kristiono (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.detik.com/berita/d-6833162/jenazah-bambang-kristiono-dibawa-ke-san-diego-hills-untuk-dimakamkan
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Politician and criminal from Indonesia. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: One CN tag; otherwise, has appropriate depth of coverage. Spencer^T•C 04:02, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Merrill J. Fernando

Article: Merrill J. Fernando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News (Australia)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by To be updated. (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan industrialist. Article requires some work. I will work on it tonight. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to jump in. Ktin (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry folks. Something came up irl, and I am unable to work on this one. The article is not too far off. Appreciate if someone can take a look at this one and take it forward. Ktin (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support. He's quite a significant person. Ktin I've added a bit more, and more sources. Also updated the Dilmah article the other day. Could be too late though?

Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:29, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bill Geddie

Article: Bill Geddie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/bill-geddie-dead-the-view-barbara-walters-abc-producer-1235676692/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cwater1 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Television Producer. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Article lists info in lede that is not mentioned elsewhere in the body of the article (e.g. May Avenue Productions, Barbara Walters show); could use expansion to include information on those shows. Spencer^T•C 04:01, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Matei-Agathon Dan

Article: Matei-Agathon Dan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/a-murit-dan-matei-agathon-fostul-ministru-al-turismului-2432993
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian politician. Article looks good Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose for now. Article has some quality issues; it reads like a machine translation given the awkward phrases it uses in places ("suspended himself" rather than the "resigned"), has some capitalization issues, inconsistent use of the hyphen in his name, and could use some expansion, a 1-paragraph biography seems a bit light. --Jayron32 11:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready Needs more work; had to place a citation needed tag. Schwede66 04:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Mirko Novosel

Article: Mirko Novosel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Mirko Novosel, a FIBA Hall of Fame basketball player and coach, dies at 85 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Croatian FIBA Hall of Fame basketball player and coach Mirko Novosel dies at 85.
News source(s): B92, Eurohoops, Vecernji.hr, Index.hr
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sadly, the article doesn't have adequate sourcing, so it would be a great help to help fix up the late Mirko's page to add some more sources, since he was a famous basketball player. Being in Croatia at the moment, I saw him on the national news, meaning he is quite famous in Croatia. There should be a source somewhere 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 18:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose RD and blurb Article is in poor quality for even RD. In terms of blurb, I cannot see how Novosel was influential in his field and the article does not reflect that either. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, oppose RD for now (edit conflict) Sadly, this is an undersourced stub and cannot be posted like this. It should not be a blurb merely for being famous in Croatia or a member of the FIBA HoFer. Individuals listed at List of members of the FIBA Hall of Fame are not automatic blurbs. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Not created by me. The creator was User:Karaboom, in this edit[5]. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, oppose RD until article is improved Mooonswimmer 19:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose RD on quality, as it's missing a ton of references. Strong oppose blurb per Muboshgu. The Kip (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose RD at the moment, as the article is quite brief and unsourced; I think we can SNOW the possibility of a blurb, since that will obviously not occur, so it's not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is in poor condition for RD, let alone a blurb. lots of unsourced stuff in the article, will need to be improved for RD, and I think we can just forget the blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, oppose RD on quality Blurbwise I don’t see how he deserves a blurb and the article doesn’t indicate how this person was influential, he just seems like a famous basketball player and nothing more. As for RD the article is pretty stubby and extremely sparsely sourced, needs a lot of work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb & RD He isn’t notable enough as a player or coach for a blurb & the article’s quality isn’t good enough to be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, He fails notability. Alex-h (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready It's still a stub and has a long way to go before it's ready for RD. Schwede66 04:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nick Benedict

Article: Nick Benedict (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been expanded and updated. Well sourced as well. He died on July 14th however his dead was announced today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Impressively well-cited for an actor's article. The Kip (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-cited indeed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Birth date could use a better source but it isn't something that would hold up the RD. Mooonswimmer 19:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 04:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup

Article: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 2nyte (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiwifury (talk · give credit), Kingsif (talk · give credit) and S.A. Julio (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: per WP:ITNSPORTS Happily888 (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Point of Order ITNSPORTS says ongoing nominations like these typically fail and to wait for a winner. An exception was made for the 2019 Women's World Cup, but that's it. So far, anyway. This is not an Oppose vote. Just saying it's not guaranteed (even if the article is written well and updated continually). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Since 2014, all FIFA World Cups have been added to ongoing (see: 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2022). Happily888 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Those are the FIFA World Cups, unqualified, and even those discussions had to work for it; no free passes and no green banners. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I see this World Cup won in 2015, but my point mostly stands, case-by-case. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment IMO the ongoing nomination should not have the ITN/R template (the policy cited in ITNSPORTS states that 'FIFA World Cup is accepted as an appropriate "ongoing" entry.', but it's unclear whether this includes the Women's World Cup as well, nor is a discussion cited, and all previously linked ongoing nominations have not had the ITN/R template). Given that both World Cups have been posted consistently to ongoing, a separate talkpage discussion to be able to cite for future reference could be worthwhile. 107.203.253.33 (talk) 12:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support No-brainer this really; there is precedent for doing so, article is on good quality and is being maintained, and there is a fixed end-point that it can be removed on. Black Kite (talk) 13:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and removed the errant ITNR tag. Consensus discussion on the subject is that while a great many sporting events may be described as "ongoing" only the absolute highest in interest would actually be listed as such. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• And the tournament that is higher in interest in women's football than this one is...? Black Kite (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Please don't pretend like you didn't understand my comment then prompt for a response like you are engaging in discourse. It's not civil. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• It was actually a genuine question ... but whatever. Black Kite (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah come on, I am curious as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support I was against posting the 2022 FIFA World Cup onto ongoing but, given it’s been posted, this should be as well. There also seems to be a good precedent for doing so.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. The Kip (talk) 17:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This seems to have been done uncontroversially in the past, and the target article seems to be in good shape. I don't see where there is any qualification on "Men's but not Women's" in the statement "The FIFA World Cup is accepted as an appropriate "ongoing" entry." This is a FIFA World Cup; and this reflects practice, given that every such World Cup has been posted to ongoing since 2014 (without regard to gender). I don't see any reason to break that standard just for this year. --Jayron32 18:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  "The" suggests "one" to me. "A" could be better, but also potentially worse since I don't think the community is ready to accept the under-20s as equally important to those over. That said, Support per posting. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Gender does not equal quality. Not forcing expected gender into text that doesn't exist is not the same as not understanding that the under-20 tournament is not the same as the top-level tournament.--Jayron32 10:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Not sure what you mean. All I'm saying is the primary topic for FIFA World Cup is just that, and everything else that can be considered a FIFA World Cup is in FIFA World Cup#Other FIFA tournaments. But yes, there's nothing stopping any ongoing sports event article from conveying high-quality information in a timely manner, if given the chance. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Quality looks good, and ongoing was created on part to feature topics like the Workd Cup. --Masem (t) 18:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted per discussion and precedent. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  Beat me to posting by mere seconds. Let this serve as a post-posting strong support. Kicking222 (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Stats We have about 8 years of detailed stats now so FYI here's how such big sporting events have performed over the years. The women's event seems comparable. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Auckland shooting

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Article: 2023 Auckland shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In New Zealand, three people are dead from a shooting in Auckland's CBD just hours before the city hosts the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup opening game. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two people are killed and seven injured in a mass shooting in Auckland, New Zealand.
News source(s): BBC News; CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A shooting with three fatalities (including the shooter) is certainly not a notable event. Make it happen right in the city centre of a place where the FIFA Women's World Cup is to kick off a few hours later, and you have the whole world showing an interest. Schwede66 01:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt Ec'd on the nom, but added alt that doesn't mention World Cup. Support as creator and per nom comment. Apparently the World Cup was not the perp's motivation (hence alt), but he certainly picked a time and place to make an international scene (hence support). Also, there's been 6 (if I can count) mass shootings in New Zealand, take that information however you want. Kingsif (talk) 01:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  There are three people dead, though, including the perpetrator, who I suggest should be included in the count. Schwede66 01:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's been thankfully quite a while since we've posted an attack incident, I can't remember if we usually include perps in the body count. Kingsif (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - there's no reason to suspect that this will have sustained notability. I wouldn't support posting this if it happened in the US, so I see no reason to support this because it happened elsewhere. It just sounds like a crazy person with a gun, unless the world cup was related to this person's choice to do it. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  I wouldn't support if it happened in the US either, but it did not happen in the US, and in terms of shootings, location is newsworthy context. I do not think this would be in the (real) news at all if it happened in the US. There's a chance it wouldn't really scratch the surface if it was in Paris or London, either. Likewise, while the World Cup was apparently not a motive, I do not think this would be getting as extensive live coverage in the news if it did not happen where and when it did specifically. The newsworthiness is very affected by context in this case. Kingsif (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Already ruled not related to terrorism or the like, and thus sounds like a normal domestic crime with no connection to the Women's Cup. --Masem (t) 02:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not terrorism, not WWC related, not significant. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Alt (but prefer three dead and six injured) Not natural causes, not an act of God, good to mix things up. The coverage is certainly there. The article's fairly brief, as are the "flooding and landslides" ones; no glaring problems. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose A young man lost control and killed two people with a shotgun, and ended up dead himself. This does not meet most definitions of a mass shooting. No connection has yet been established with the athletic event taking place nearby. This is a run-of-the-mill murder. The article has serious undue weight issues. Cullen328 (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  This isn't in the US, where these things are common. Secretlondon (talk) 07:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  A young man also shot six people with a shotgun who lived to tell about it. Victim impact statements can go a long way in a coroner's inquest. And an inquest can have some pretty drastic effects on gun laws. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Don't see how this is notable. If the death count was higher I'd most likely look at this an other way, but 2 deaths is pretty insignificant (although tragic nonetheless) for ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 08:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the article seems to be very WP:COATRACKy, conflating other events that were close in space and time, but otherwise unrelated, to the subject. The article has only about 10 sentences about the shooting itself, including information about the killer themselves and about the response. There's not a lot here to hang a blurb on, really. It's a horrific, tragic event, but unless the article can be expanded significantly, about the event itself and its significance, I'm not sure it merits the main page. If more information comes out that allows us to expand the article significantly, I would be willing to change my vote.--Jayron32 10:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt Context is important, whilst this event wouldn't be notable in the US, it definitely is if country has very low mass shooting rates were to have one. Happily888 (talk) 11:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is quite short when you remove the chunk about its effect on the Women's World Cup, and otherwise, it barely meets the definition of a mass shooting as it is. Agree with above that sustained notability is likely to be low. The Kip (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose While gun violence is relatively uncommon in New Zealand (though not as unheard of as some might assume), this incident isn't particularly notable. The "Women's World Cup" section is unnecessary, as the shooting was unrelated to the event, despite headlines suggesting a connection.Mooonswimmer 19:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 19

Portal:Current events/2023 July 19

July 19, 2023 (2023-07-19) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa At least 12 people are injured in a night-time Russian missile attack on Odesa, Ukraine. (AP via ABC News) Crimea attacks A fire occurs at the military training grounds in Crimea, forcing the evacuation of more than 2,000 people and the closure of a nearby highway. (Reuters) List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces a $1.3 billion military aid package to Ukraine. The package includes four NASAMS air defense systems, anti-tank missiles, Phoenix Ghost and Switchblade attack drones, and landmine clearing equipment, among others. (The New York Times) Kivu conflict Nine people are killed and 16 others are injured during the explosion of a bomb in a field in Rutshuru Territory, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Terrorism in India Police in Bangalore, India, arrest five men suspected of planning a terrorist attack in the city. (The Times of India) Business and economy A Powerball lottery player from California, United States, becomes the third to win a billion-dollar prize, with a ticket purchased in Los Angeles earning the $1 billion jackpot. (AFP via The Daily Star) Disasters and accidents At least 34 people are killed and 12 others are injured when a bus collides with a car in Tamanrasset Province, Algeria. (Reuters via Al Arabiya) Sixteen people are killed and eleven others are injured when an electricity transformer explodes on the banks of the Alaknanda River in Chamoli district, Uttarakhand, India. (Hindustan Times) One person is killed and 48 others are injured during an underground gas explosion in Johannesburg, South Africa. (AP) Five people are killed and several others are injured across Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, after a storm passes through the countries. (Reuters) (AP via The San Diego Union-Tribune) International relations 15th BRICS summit South Africa confirms that Russian president Vladimir Putin, who faces an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court, will participate remotely in the upcoming BRICS summit in Johannesburg rather than attend in person. (AFP via The Manila Times) The United States sanctions multiple Central American officials accused of corruption, including former Presidents of El Salvador Mauricio Funes and Salvador Sánchez Cerén. (AP via ABC News) Law and crime A court in Iran sentences actress Afsaneh Bayegan to a suspended two years in prison for failing to comply with the hijab law. (AFP via The Times of Israel) Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi pardons Coptic researcher Patrick Zaki and the lawyer of political activist Alaa Abd El-Fattah. Both men had been convicted of allegedly disseminating fake news. (AFP via France 24) At least two protesters are shot by police, 14 more are hospitalized, and at least 300 are arrested during protests in Kenya. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Thai general election A Thai court suspends Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat's status as a lawmaker after accusing him of violating election laws for allegedly holding shares in a media company. (CNN) In Singapore, Workers' Party member of parliament Leon Perera and member Nicole Seah resign following the social media dissemination of a video revealing their extramarital affair, which party secretary-general Pritam Singh confirmed. (AFP via NDTV)

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RD: Silvana Lattmann

Article: Silvana Lattmann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): L'Osservatore
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swiss biologist, known as a poet and author (in Italian), died on 19 July at age 104, but reported only yesterday, obit above is from today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Darrel Aschbacher

Article: Darrel Aschbacher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Prineville Funeral Home, Central Oregon Daily
Credits:

• Created and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on July 15, first reported on July 19, just noticed now. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support The career section could be a bit bigger, but the article is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• There's a 60 year gap between his career and his death. That concerns me more than the length of the career section. BeanieFan11, can you add anything about his post-career life? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
  • @Muboshgu: Got a sentence out of the obit about him serving as a pilot, but it seems there's very little out there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
    • That'll do. It's not much, but I assume it's all that's out there. Support and marking ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 04:27, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

  Date & Place of Birth are now next to a footnote. -- PFHLai (talk) 05:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Schwede66: It was already verified by PFR in the infobox, but now we've got an in-text citation as well. Do you think its ready now? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted No, it had not been verified; that was the exact issue. But that’s now been fixed. Schwede66 15:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Reston Jr.

Article: James Reston Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/us/james-reston-jr-dead.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Author. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks generally good, except for the one CN tag at the end. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced. One cn tag in a vastly well sourced article shouldn't keep it from posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Formation of opposition grand alliance in India

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (I.N.D.I.A.). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.
News source(s): The Indian Express, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This nomination will probably get opposes, but I think it's still pretty significant (tbh I'm from Bangladesh). Significant opposition parties like TMC and AAP, who are (now were) political opponents of INC-led UPA have also joined the I.N.D.I.A. alliance, just with the aim to take on the ruling BJP-led NDA. — Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is definitely a major political step in the largest democracy in the world and perhaps the largest coalition ever made. To illustrate how big is this, the aggregate number of votes that the parties making up this coalition won at the 2019 Indian general election is greater than the total turnout at the 2019 European Parliament election or the 2020 United States presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

You're literally just saying that India is a populous country. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes. An event like this greatly affects nearly 1 billion voters. I'm not one to complain about American or Western bias on ITN, but I do feel like if this kind of event happened in the USA (if the USA was a multi-party democracy that is), it would probably be posted.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The Democrats joining the Republicans? You bet that would be worldwide news. A single-party system would alter the political trajectory of this country forever. Of course, the nomination would likely still be contentious, because of the usual apprehension towards U.S. political intrigue. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I read too fast and realized you were referring to a multi-democracy system, or perhaps more likely, splinter parties in the United States merging into one. Still, it would be a big deal. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yep. Another equivalent scenario would be a populist, right-wing party becoming dominant by a wide margin in US politics, leading to the Republicans, Democrats, and other small parties to enter a coalition to oppose them. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll support a similar story if China becomes a democratic country one day.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The BJP led National Democratic Alliance is still bigger then the new INDIA alliance. So it is not the largest ever made party-wise. Rushtheeditor (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed that the NDA is now bigger but not sure if it used to be at the time of its formation in 1998. That's why I used "perhaps".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually NDA's number of members doesn't actually matters very much here (IMO).

In INDIA, there maybe less parties, but there are more than one party which has major significance in Indian politics. TMC, AAP, JD(U), NCP, SP... these have significance in Indian politics, if not national then regional.

Also, it's the first time all major oppositions of the BJP has came under one coalition.

Now, BJP has been much powerful to rule India solely, and it's still the most major. And many analysts say that BJP is hard to defeat because 'opposition isn't united'. Now that's no more relevant. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait I think in general, these kinds of internal political machinations are best left for when such alliances and coalitions actually win elections. When they take the majority in the next general election, and when the next Prime Minister gets selected from said alliance, then we will have the time to post such a thing. --Jayron32 14:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's pretty much guaranteed we'll post the 2024 Indian election anyways. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - A lot of people would oppose solely for the reason that this is really just domestic politics and has no widespread significance, but the fact that this has happened in the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 1 BILLION eligible voters, that's big news. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm very uninformed about India and its politics, this is a pretty unprecedented event.

Population isn't the only reason I support (this is In the News, article is being well updated), but it is a significant factor that elevates the notability of Indian affairs for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - This alliance of the 26 parties is a major event in the politics of India and it has quite significant representation in both the Lok Sabha (143/543) and Rayja Sabha (96/245) and could very well shape up to be a strong force against the NDA and, by extension, Modi's nearly decade long position as PM. JumbledPasta (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose This could have some major political ramifications in the upcoming general election let alone in Modi's nearly decade tenure as PM. However, the later half of the article is unsourced. Once this is fixed, I can fully support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the orange tag. The article is a lacking some prose, but I'd be willing to support if the tag gets removed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support once fixed. I agree with the voices above. The depth and impact of this is quite significant, and it would be nice to post some India-related stories that aren't just disasters. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  If Chandrayaan-3 successfully lands on the Moon, that’ll be an ITN/R story involving India that isn’t a disaster. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Pre-election alliances are somewhat commonplace in the parliamentary system, and I do not recall another one being nominated previously. Being bias-averse, I would strongly object to breaking new ground due to the country's population, especially when that country is English-speaking. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know if you are much aware of Indian politics in the recent decade(s).

  This alliance isn't just a normal electoral coalition in a parliamentary democracy. In the last 14years, oppositions of the ruling BJP has never been this much united. They had feud within themselves. But it's the first time many years that parties which are actually enemies, have formed one grand alliance to take on the ruling coalition (In India). Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Comment; India is not an English speaking country, despite it being an official language in much of the country. Only 12% speak it fluently and 70% do not speak it at all. There are far more fluent English speakers in many other countries - 31 countries are rated as "High" or "Very High" in fluency and India is not amongst them, being rated 52nd out of 111. Black Kite (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Withdrawn. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Also, even if it were true, why would India being an English-speaking nation be relevant? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  The concern specifically is bias in favor of locations where a substantial portion of our editors reside or identify with. Upon further review, I believe only the US and UK have such a significant proportion of editors as to raise this concern. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems to be very much a work-in-progress. And it's interesting to read that Rahul Gandhi has been officially disqualified as a candidate while we ran a similar ban on Bolsonaro for weeks. All such countries have political news every day and our general practise is to just report the most major results such as election outcomes and other changes of power. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We cannot still be hung-up about the Bolsonaro blurb which had near unanimous support and was well within ITN tradition for former national leaders; comparing him to disqualified opposition leaders (never posted) is not really justified. Gotitbro (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The point in that case was that use of the law against opposition parties was commonplace. In this case, Rahul Gandhi has been disqualified while the INDIA acronym has already been reported to the police as an improper use of the country's name. Meanwhile, the parties can't quite agree what it stands for -- D = Democratic or Developmental, depending on who you talk to. As I said, it's a work-in-progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability - this is clearly important. Oppose on quality - not good enough yet. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Would like to see precedent for this, AFAIK we have not posted such coalition "announcements" ever before which only become significant (for us) at election time. Leaning oppose. Gotitbro (talk) 19:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - wait what? A group of parties have agreed to form a coalition, but that coalition is not the government, as this coalition is still in the minority? These parties usually vote in opposition to the government anyway. So what? Coalitions are formed in nearly every election cycle in nearly every parliamentary multi-party system. Otherwise this is internal political machinations that is trivial to most people, including Indians. nableezy - 19:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is certainly notable, and this may as well be one of the largest political coalition ever made, once the article is fixed, this should be ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Its not even the largest coalition in India? That would be the governing coalition National Democratic Alliance with, checks notes, the majority in the Lok Sabha. nableezy - 02:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Questions What does "List of governments" mean, in context? Also, doesn't an alliance require multiple parties? And wouldn't "uniting" make them one? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per nableezy and GreatCaesarsGhost. There’s nothing especially notable about this compared to other coalition formations, beyond the fact that India has a massive population. The Kip (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Question - did we post the turkish untiy coalition? this is awfully similar to that. it would set precedent. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  We can't post something that wasn't nominated, and absence is not evidence of insignificance. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  oh. its a shame it wasnt nominated. Rushtheeditor (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability; certainly a massive group of parties and from a diverse background. Oppose on article quality (referencing; disambiguation needed) and depth. Schwede66 01:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per GCG. Unnotable. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not tracking the significance unless they, per Jayron32's comments, produce a PM to office. CoatCheck (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose it's not even a formal coalition, it's an electoral alliance and these can be very short lived Abcmaxx (talk) 18:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - per Abcmaxx. Rushtheeditor (talk) 18:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose wait elections results Shadow4dark (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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