Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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July 23

Portal:Current events/2023 July 23

July 23, 2023 (2023-07-23) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa A nighttime Russian missile attack on Odesa kills at least one person, injures 22 others, and severely damages the Transfiguration Cathedral. (AP) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency finds anti-personnel mines at the Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, but notes that any detonation "should not affect the site's nuclear safety and security systems". (AFP via Barron's) (IAEA) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency At least four road patrol policemen are killed in an ambush in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchestan province, Iran. (Reuters) Business and economy A deal to sell a controlling interest in the Israeli financial firm Phoenix Group to a consortium led by an Abu Dhabi state holding company falls through. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 Raigad landslide The death toll from the landslide in Raigad, Maharashtra, India, increases to 27, with at least 50 people still missing, as monsoon rains complicate rescue efforts. (AFP via Dawn) 2023 Greece wildfires Emergency evacuations by boat take place in Corfu as wildfires rapidly spread in just a few hours, especially in the north of the island. (Mirror) Thousands of tourists flee their hotels in Rhodes, Greece, in what officials say is the largest evacuation in the country's history. (CNN) Flash floods in Afghanistan's Kabul, the Ghazni and Maidan Wardak provinces, have killed at least 31 people, injured 74 others, and left 41 missing in the past three days. Around 250 livestock are also killed. In neighboring Pakistan, thirteen people are also killed due to heavy rains and landslides. (AP) At least 33 people are killed and 21 others are injured when a building collapses in Douala, Cameroon. (BBC News) Eleven people are killed and three injured after a school's roof collapses in Qiqihar, Heilongjiang, China. (Al Jazeera) Nine people, including four soldiers, are killed when a civilian Antonov aircraft crashes due to technical issues in Port Sudan, Sudan. A child is the sole survivor of the crash. (AFP via The Daily Star) Eight people are killed after people siphoning fuel from a tanker that was involved in an accident explodes in Ondo State, Nigeria. (Reuters) One person is killed and 12 others are injured after a bridge collapses in Patras, Greece. (Greek City Times) International relations 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation suspends Sweden's special envoy in response to incidents of Quran desecration during public demonstrations permitted by the Swedish government in Stockholm. (AP) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2023 A pregnant woman is killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting in a city park of Houston, Texas, United States. Two suspects are arrested. (People) Gun violence in the United States Six people are killed and 20 others are injured in shootings across Chicago, Illinois, United States. (Yahoo! News) A soldier kills 13 people, including ten children, during a mass shooting at his son's funeral in Nyamamba, Ituri Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Two people are killed and four more injured during a mass shooting in Manta, Ecuador. The city's mayor is among the killed. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 Spanish general election Spaniards head to the polls to elect the members of the Cortes Generales. (Reuters) Alberto Núñez Feijóo's People's Party wins the election, but falls short of a clear majority, while Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's Socialist Workers' Party holds slightly more seats with its allies despite finishing second, thus resulting in a hung parliament. (AP) 2023 Cambodian general election Cambodians head to the polls to elect the members of the parliament. (Reuters) The ruling Cambodian People's Party, led by Prime Minister Hun Sen, claims a landslide victory in the election, winning 120 out of 125 seats according to unofficial results, despite criticism over alleged suppression of the opposition. (AP) Sports 2022–23 PGA Tour 2023 Open Championship American golfer Brian Harman wins his first Open Championship, his first career major championship, and his first PGA Tour win in six years, by six shots over Australia's Jason Day, South Korea's Tom Kim, Spain's Jon Rahm, and Austria's Sepp Straka. (AP) 2023–24 SailGP championship In sailing, Spain win their first SailGP championship in the Los Angeles Sail Grand Prix in California, United States. (AP) 2023 World Aquatics Championships In the men's 400 metre individual medley, French swimmer Léon Marchand breaks the longstanding world record previously set by American swimmer Michael Phelps, finishing in 4 minutes, 2.5 seconds. (AFP via Channels TV) 2023 FIVB Volleyball Men's Nations League Hosts Poland win their first VNL title after defeating the United States 3–1 in the final at the Ergo Arena in Gdańsk. (Volleyball World)

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(Closed) Destruction of the Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa

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Article: Bombing of Odesa (2022–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Transfiguration Cathedral in Odesa is partially destroyed during the bombing of the city by the Russian forces. (Post)
News source(s): CNN - Reuters

• Oppose Covered by ongoing. --Masem (t) 14:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose' - covered by ongoing.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 14:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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• Comment Eh... Why the hell was this snow-closed after what seems like just an hour? It's Sunday - people have lives aside from checking Wikipedia on an hourly basis. I would have appreciated it this could have been kept open for some more time - I personally might have supported given the damage caused to part of the Odesa World Heritage site. For all the destruction caused in Ukraine so far, this is a sad new highlight. It would have been nice to give people the opportunity to make the case for this nomination. Khuft (talk) 18:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I can see some non-trivial significance because the airstrikes damaged a UNESCO World Heritage Site, the Historic Centre of Odesa. But the article has been tagged for updating since February 2023. Brandmeister^talk 18:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

July 22

Portal:Current events/2023 July 22

July 22, 2023 (2023-07-22) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks Ukraine strikes an ammunition depot in occupied Crimea, leading to the evacuation of houses within a 5-kilometre (3.1 mi) radius. (AP) Arts and culture LGBT rights in Malaysia The Ministry of Communications and Digital cancels a music festival in Sepang, Selangor, after Matty Healy, the lead vocalist of English band the 1975, openly criticized the country's anti-LGBT laws and kissed his male bandmate on stage. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed and ten others are injured in a hot water pipe burst accident at a mall in Moscow, Russia. (Reuters) A thunderstorm in Serbia kills three people and causes widespread damage and power disruptions. (AP) A deck collapse at a country club in Billings, Montana, United States, injures more than 30 people. (AP) Health and environment 2023 heat waves 2023 European heat waves The National Observatory of Athens reports that Greece faces its longest-ever heat wave, with temperatures expected to exceed 40 °C (104 °F), marking a possible 16–17-day wave. The country remains on an alert state. (AFP via Herald Sun) NASA climatologist Gavin Schmidt states that July 2023 is anticipated to be the hottest month recorded "in hundreds, if not thousands, of years", attributing the trend to continuous greenhouse gas emissions. (AFP via Le Monde) COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines President Bongbong Marcos formally ends the declaration of COVID-19 as a public health emergency in the country. (Khaleej Times) About 2,000 Magellanic penguins are found dead along Uruguay's eastern coast, with their cause of death remaining undetermined, although the environment ministry has ruled out avian influenza. Advocates point to overfishing and a recent subtropical cyclone as potential factors, while additional marine wildlife deaths, including sea turtles and sea lions, are also reported in the region. (AFP via NDTV) International relations 2023 Quran desecration in Sweden Iran–Sweden relations Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei states that people who desecrate the Quran should face the "most severe punishment", and that Sweden has "gone into battle-array for war on the Muslim world". (Reuters) Denmark–Iraq relations Protests in Copenhagen, Denmark, involving Quran desecration, responding to similar protests in Sweden, trigger unrest in Iraq, leading to an attempted breach of Baghdad's Green Zone and armed attacks on Danish Refugee Council facilities in Basra. (AP via PBS) The Democratic Republic of the Congo announces plans to "monitor" aid agencies operating in the country due to reported security issues and concerns over potential subversive activities amid ongoing armed conflict. (AFP via The Manila Times) Law and crime Eleven people are killed in an arson attack at a bar in San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora, Mexico. The perpetrator was thrown out by the bar shortly before the attack for being heavily drunk and harassing women. (Reuters) Sports Women's World Chess Championship 2023 In chess, Ju Wenjun wins her fourth Women's World Chess Championship title after a victory in the 12th game of the match against challenger Lei Tingjie. (FIDE)

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RD: Sherry Ayittey

Article: Sherry Ayittey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://myjoyonline.com/former-fisheries-minister-sherry-ayittey-dead/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ampimd (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable & renowned Ghanaian politician, minister for several ministries in Ghana. Well written article Ampimd (talk) 18:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Needs a bit of ref improvement currently. - Indefensible (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) UN World Food programme member killed

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Article: Killing of Moayad Hamidi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Moayad Hamidi, a senior UN World Food Programme (WFP) staff member from Jordan, was shot and killed by unknown gunmen in southwest Yemen in Turbah, Taiz. (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sadly there are no articles about this this person and the tragic event that happened to him and if someone can create them that'll be very appriciated Abo Yemen✉ 14:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is not how ITN works. You need to first have an article. Then you propose a blurb at ITN, where editors will judge the blurb based on quality of article and significance of event. Tradedia^talk 15:33, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose and snow close No article, a theoretical article doesn’t seem to

meet WP:EVENTCRIT (tragic but looks fairly routine given the civil war in Yemen), and even if there was an article the event just simply doesn’t seem significant enough for ITN. I don’t think this nom is going anywhere so I’m suggesting a snow close. For the nominator if this is your first nom don’t be discouraged, keep trying. I also recommend you read How ITN works (and how it doesn’t), it’s a good essay that’ll inform you about common practice in ITN. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Ill be sure to read it! Abo Yemen✉ 17:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Snow close. Create article first Kirill C1 (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There's not even an article, this seems insignificant, and given that there isn't even a article, must I explain further? Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Wikipedia:DBN Abo Yemen✉ 19:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 21

Portal:Current events/2023 July 21

July 21, 2023 (2023-07-21) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Bombing of Odesa The Russian Armed Forces strike grain warehouses in Odesa with Kalibr missiles, destroying 120 tons of crops and injuring two civilians, according to Governor Oleh Kiper. (CNN) Bombing of Mykolaiv The Russian Armed Forces strike a building in Mykolaiv, killing two civilians. (Yeni Şafak) 2023 Sudan conflict Battle of Khartoum Fifteen civilians and 19 army officers are killed in a drone attack in Khartoum, Sudan. (Globe Echo) War in Darfur At least 20 civilians are killed and more than 45 others are injured by rocket attacks on residential areas in Nyala, South Darfur, and shelling in proximity to hospitals in El-Obeid, North Kordofan, as per reports from medical professionals and lawyers. (AFP via Arab News) Yemeni civil war A World Food Programme employee is killed by unknown assailants in Taiz, Yemen, with security forces launching a pursuit of the individuals responsible. (AFP via Manila Bulletin) Business and economy A wet market in Tomohon, North Sulawesi, Indonesia, becomes the country's first market to cease the cat and dog meat trade following prolonged campaigning by local activists and global figures, supported by the Humane Society International. (AP via Los Angeles Times) Health and environment Gambia cough syrup scandal The Gambian government identifies imported Indian cough syrups as the cause of at least 70 child deaths to kidney failure, leading to regulatory changes and potential legal action against the manufacturer, Maiden Pharmaceuticals. The World Health Organization confirms lethal antifreeze substances in the syrups. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Nigeria's northwestern Kaduna State reports an outbreak of diphtheria, which has killed 10 children since early July. (Xinhua) Law and crime Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia Police detain former intelligence officer, separatist commander and Angry Patriots Club leader Igor Girkin for alleged extremism. (AFP via The Guardian) One person is killed and three others are injured in a mass stabbing near a subway station in Seoul, South Korea. The attacker is apprehended. (AFP via The Hindustan Times) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Guatemalan general election Police raid the headquarters of the opposition party Movimiento Semilla and presidential candidate Bernardo Arévalo in Guatemala City, Guatemala. (Reuters) Iran–United States relations The US military deploys Marines and other assets to the Persian Gulf in response to seizures and attempted seizures of shipping by naval forces of Iran. (Politico) Sports 2023 Leagues Cup In association football, Lionel Messi makes his North American debut for Major League Soccer club Inter Miami CF in the Leagues Cup group stage match against Liga MX club Cruz Azul. During the final minutes of the game, he scored a goal to help Miami win the game. (ESPN) (The Spun) 2023 Diamond League In athletics, Faith Kipyegon of Kenya sets a new women's mile record, finishing the Herculis at Stade Louis-II in Fontvieille, Monaco, in 4:07.64 and surpassing the previous 2019 record held by Sifan Hassan of the Netherlands. (CNN)

(Closed) Washington Commanders sale

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Article: Josh Harris (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A group led by Josh Harris (pictured) purchases the NFL's Washington Commanders from Daniel Snyder for $6.05 billion, setting a record for the largest sales transaction for a sports franchise. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dissident93 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I believe being buyer of the largest sales transaction of a sports club or franchise to date is notable enough for a blurb. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion it isn't. Sales ard happening every day, someone will hold a record.. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Aye. In this case, the actual majority holder is the Danaher Corporation. There might be something to this proposal, but I'm not seeing Tony Bennett's photo getting upstaged by a living person I've heard even less about. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

The photo was not meant to upstage any existing photo. Its source is also unknown and will be replaced by something better once the option is available. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 10:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

And my comment wasn't intended to accuse you (or whomever might have nominated this), it's just what would happen, matter of coursely. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Including a photo that you know can't be used seems... well, absurd. Just don't add a photo to the nomination. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose I don’t see the significance. Sports teams have basically become status symbols for rich people and thus prices are inflated significantly (although the value of sports has actually increased). There will always be sports team sales and people looking to display their wealth among other reasons and with the increased competition and interest sports team sale records will eventually be broken. We can’t just post it every time that happens and we didn’t even nominate the last record-breaking sports team sale (Todd Boehly buying Chelsea). I know Triple C is a thing but I’m just saying. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

That reminds me, Triple H is also a thing and the sports franchise he leads is (tentatively) worth nine big ones. Yes, it's entertainment. But it's still sports entertainment to me, dammit. Not a dealbreaker. Just maybe it should read "team" instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I didn’t even notice my omission of team from other two instances haha. Thanks for telling me! Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I didn't notice that, either, but now that you mention it, sports sale is technically undefined here. Kind of sounds like a sporting goods sale and kind of like what you meant. Could go either way, honestly...but that's a worry for another day, you're welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose it's something of a niche "record" and it's one that could very well be overtaken quite quickly with the sale of Manchester United; I don't see that we could keep posting these every time it happens. Black Kite (talk) 10:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose not that relevant outside this sport. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The Washington Commanders? Never heard of them... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:27, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and SNOW Not front-page news, and a record that will be broken repeatedly for many years to come. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see how the sale of a local club, in a national league of a sport only played in a single nation, is notable. Maybe if it was well-known and moving to a place far away; but selling a franchise in a top league is a dime-a-dozen. I'd think that a sale like they controversial sale of Chelsea, or the selling of Newcastle to the Saudi government would be more notable - but still not ITN; at least it'd have wider coverage. It's a big amount, but it's not that dissimilar to the sale price of Chelsea, or the Denver Broncos last year. Nfitz (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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RD: Malú Urriola

Article: Malú Urriola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Tercera
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 gobonobo ^{+ c} 22:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks good (assuming good faith on Spanish sources). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brian O'Neill

Article: Brian O'Neill (ice hockey, born 1929) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article appears sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Articles appears to be well-cited, and I am quite impressed with how in-depth the article covers his career in just three paragraphs. Curbon7 (talk) 06:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:37, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted as blurb) Blurb/RD: Tony Bennett

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Article: Tony Bennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American singer Tony Bennett (pictured) dies at the age of 96 (Post)
News source(s): Variety, BBC, AP, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American singer, GA article (from 2009) --Vacant0 (talk) 12:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support you just beat me to the nom ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Clarification: Support RD, Weak Oppose Blurb per Humbledaisy below. Personally, I feel like we are going a bit overboard with blurbing RD's lately ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs
• Blurb - easy pass on quality, merits a blurb on significance, seeing as the Washington Post and NYTimes already have obits, and Id expect BBC with its breaking news alert to follow shortly. nableezy - 12:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Support blurb There are a handful of last sentences on paragraphs in his bio about more recent performances that are unsourced but that these could be removed. RD is clearly ready, I really want to support a blurb because this is a case that should clearly have a blurb, but really would like to see some type of section about impact/legacy, which should be possible from the obits that are coming out (eg career spanning many generations and musical styles, influence to other singers, etc.), this is not a case where I think the importance is being handwaved but it really needs to be documented on its own in the article itself. --Masem (t) 12:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Specifically, currently "Great American Songbook" -which Bennett is nominally credited for and supporting through his career, only appears once and in a parenthetical. This is clearly part of a legacy that needs to be discussed from the obits. --Masem (t) 13:17, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support RD, support blurb Not really much to be said. Article is a GA and is excellent in terms of length, depth and sourcing. I also think it’s worth a blurb as well, due to the quality of the article (although some extra work to establish the sui generis significance needed for a blurb in the article itself would be nice) and the notability of the person. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Eight decades (or more?) career, twenty Grammys, large than life personality, what else should be for blurb? Kirill C1 (talk) 13:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Taking a quick look at the article, there are paragraphs and lines without sources. It needs to be revised. I think Bennett is one of the most deserving of a blurb. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • @Alsoriano97:: Fixed up by adding sources. Are there any more areas that need sourcing?

  TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  @TDKR Chicago 101: I've just added a CN tag in Personal life section. Nothing serious. Thanks for your work! _-_Alsor (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb in principle, but the article contains unreferenced lines of text (it's very weird that this is a GA).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• It even had unsourced text when it became a GA in 2009. Things were different then. Weak Support by the way, when quality issues are resolved; Bennett seems to be right on the borderline of ITNability. Black Kite (talk) 13:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • @Black Kite: I tried adding some more sourced to the article. The recent obits have been a great help to fix up his article.

  TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb, article is excellent and is GA. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 13:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb Bennett was an influential singer with a career that lasted for decades and won numerous of accolades. The article is in good enough shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb Slam-dunk nom, extremely influential and long-lasting career in the world of music. Article needs some quality fixes, however. The Kip (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• RD posted Consensus that quality is met. Blurb discussion can continue.—Bagumba (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Tony obviously had a long and distinguished career, but I think the last man standing factor might have magnified his cultural significance somewhat. He was not quite the top in his field during the 1950s-1960s height of his career; his peak roughly coincided the commercial and critical peaks of the likes of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Nat King Cole, Bing Crosby and Perry Como. I don’t think he’d be getting considered for a blurb if those performers hadn’t predeceased him. Humbledaisy (talk) 16:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Had Sinatra or Perry Como died when Wikipedia already existed they would have been blurbed, I don't understand the argument. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb mostly per Humbledaisy. A popular and well-known figure in the entertainment world but not quite in the top tier. The article is in excellent shape (for a change) and certainly good enough for RT. But a blurb is not warranted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  If he wasn't in top tier, then who was? Kirill C1 (talk) 18:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Well, Sinatra, who achieved almost 40 US top 20 studio albums over the 1950s and 60s. Bennett made 27 studio albums in the 50s and 60s and just six of them made the US top 40 (only I Left My Heart in San Francisco charted in the UK). Only one album charted in the 50s. Obviously he was successful, but he didn't have the kind of sustained success I'd say would qualify as top tier. Humbledaisy (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    Sinatra died long time ago.

    We blurbed both Elizabeth II and dos Santos, and both Kumar and Sidney Poitier, and Tina Turner and Indian singer. We blurb different people, it is not like only one person qualifies for each field. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    That was exactly my point in my earlier comment on this nomination - if Sinatra and co were not long dead, we would not be considering Bennett. It is his longevity that has made him appear more prominent than he was, IMO. Your mileage may vary but Sinatra, Martin, Como et al all have recordings that are still intensely well-known today, at least in the Anglophone sphere, and I don't think Bennett's best-known recordings are quite at that level of recognition. Humbledaisy (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

    I’m more familiar w/Bennett than I am w/Como. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb per above. estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support RD This is a well-written article and I saw no {cn} or orange tags when I checked it. As for the blurb, I am leaning towards strong support earlier but I think Humbledaisy raised a good point; however, I am still voting weak support blurb because although Sinatra, Como, Cole, etc. were clearly more famous than him and had more lasting legacies, I think his longevity in the music industry is enough to warrant a blurb (albeit less convincing than the others that were blurbed/not blurbed in the past; the discussion re: Barbara Walters last December/January comes to mind.) Vida0007 (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb This person does seem to be a very well known figure over in America, article is in great condition, and person is very influential with a very long career in the Music industry. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:53, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb I was on the fence until remembering that what I think of his legacy shouldn't matter. Reading obituaries mentioning his singing for presidents and royalty, winning 20 Grammys, having #1 albums a half-century apart, taking part in civil rights marches... the importance and relevance are there. -- Kicking222 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Singing for presidents and royalty, winning 20 Grammys and having #1 albums a half-century apart is a rather extraordinary achievement. Even doing one of those things could set a person apart from his or her peers, regardless of age at death. But taking part in civil rights marches is all about blending in with the crowd, which is why the title characters from the Million Man March, Million Woman March and even Million People March are largely unsung. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Nothing about the death requires the extra explanation that a blurb provides. All that needs to be said is that he died. RD is designed exactly for that. --Jayron32 18:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Didn't we recently put up a blurb for Milan Kundera? All it says is "Czech-French writer Milan Kundera dies at the age of 94." Then why can't we do the same for Tony? 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 20:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  The blurb for Kundera should never have been posted in the first place. Same with Bennett. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Same for everyone whose "story" is just a truncated version of their lead (past, present and future). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's an idea that with RD blurbs, we should be able to include a 6-10 word phrase that succinctly gets the reason the person who is important across quickly. Eg for Bennett "who popularized the "Great American Songbook" over five decades" or something like that. I'm sure wordsmiths could make that tighter. But I would think we need to brainstorm how to do this first on the talk page. But I do see the valid issue that if we are just saying "X dies at the age of YY", that's not really any more helpful than an RD line mention. Masem (t) 01:59, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  The main RD page covers this death as Tony Bennett, 96, American singer ("I Left My Heart in San Francisco", "Rags to Riches", "Because of You"), 20-time Grammy winner. We could replace the final comma and add "dies" to end our copy or could go Photo RD or could let the established necrology exclusively do its job. I think all of these fine ideas have been pitched at Talk, in various words, to no avail. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support Blurb Household name, and an excellent opportunity to prominently feature a GA on the main page. SunsetShotguns (talk) 18:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, and Post Support RD Bennett is one of the rare cases where the article is a GA, and his legacy crossed several generations. From his hit making days in the 50's and 60's, his strong popularity with many of his time (I.e, can think of think of Sinatra saying something along the lines of "Money's worth" to see him preform.), and the many modern day artists he's worked with or influenced (Lady Gaga, Amy Winehouse), and winning 20 Grammys, seems to me blurb written to a t. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb He has accomplished way more than enough to deserve this. Grammy and chart topper across the decades if not the better part of the century. CoatCheck (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb I also think both the article and Bennett's career have all they need to deserve a mention. It's quite a shame he never achieved that kind of fame in Europe, as well, but still, he was definitely an important figure within American music. Oltrepier (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb - GA article, multi-generational icon, ITN blurb consensus clear. Jusdafax (talk) 20:45, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb No issues with sourcing now (although there shouldn't be cites in the lede—why are they there?), and his strong significance merits a blurb. Zingarese talk · contribs (please mention me on reply; thanks!) 21:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb The article’s quality is good enough & his career merits a blurb. He easily merits a blurb if Kundera deserves a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:05, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support Blurb Article quality is sufficient. Leading figure in his field. Household name. Popular appeal and public interest are inadequately weighted in death blurbs and RD. Dr Fell (talk) 23:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted as blurb Stephen 00:54, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Serious question Have we come up with sensible rules about blurbing old, dead people yet? HiLo48 (talk) 03:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

“Awarded” to HiLo48 for breathtaking lack of clue and general insensitivity to consensus. Take to the Talk page, if you must. Not here. Jusdafax (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Seriously though, no need for another Talk, we've already decided to decide anew each time. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:10, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

So, still no rules. It sure looked that way here. The absence of rules will inevitably lead to a seeming lack of sensitivity. How long can we keep up this idiocy? HiLo48 (talk) 06:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

There's an unwritten rule I've noticed about getting five or more Ayes or Nays in a row, seems to seal the deal, loosely speaking. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

LOL. Yes, that seems to be the case. HiLo48 (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Trout seconded. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Pull Never heard of him before now.Fdfexoex (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  He made duets with Stevie Wonder and Sting, among other things. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:48, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  That's actually a very bad argument. Imagine opposing a blurb of, let's say, George Michael, dying, just because you've never heard of him. Granted, everyone's heard of George Michael, but that's basically your entire "pull" argument. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 10:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Pull It happens Not on any of The Rat Pack's "level" (among other still well-regarded crooners of yore). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I think he is more famous than Joey Bishop or Lawford.

  And there are 22 votes for blurb and 5 opposes. There was a clear consensus before posting. You could have voted then, I mean. Kirill C1 (talk) 07:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Admins are supposed to assess the content and quality of comments, NOT count votes. Otherwise I could just get 50 of my friends to agree with me here. Or post under 50 aliases. HiLo48 (talk) 08:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Let's check content of an oppose comment "Oppose blurb Nothing about the death requires the extra explanation that a blurb provides. All that needs to be said is that he died. RD is designed exactly for that."

  I have to give it to Jayron, he is consistent in his opinion and uses the same argument always. But this is not what is written in guidelines, because this concerns one blurb type, where death is the story, and there is another one, for which we blurbed Sidney Poitier, Milan Kundera, Tina Turner, Jim Brown recently. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:35, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Are you saying there ARE guidelines? Where? HiLo48 (talk) 08:38, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recent_deaths#Blurbs_for_recent_deaths

  There are Death as news story and Major figure types of blurbs.

  Here is major figure type. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:46, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  So how do we unarguably identify a major figure? Don't say "consensus". It obviously doesn't work, because so many editors read that as counting votes, which we must not do. And such an approach would eliminate almost everyone not from a popular activity in the US or the UK. HiLo48 (talk) 08:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Not in my household, he isn't (though his most famous song gets more play than any Lawford movie). And I could only have voted in time in theory. In practice, I wasn't here. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I saw your replies to posts and didn't check time code. Indeed, they were done after the posting of article. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  I knew it! I'm not the only one, either. It happened with that Czech guy whose best book I believe most English readers only saw the movie about, it happened to the guy who got this Pull rolling and it'll happen to you one day, too. It's as unenviable a position as it is inevitable. Anyway, since you were so kind as to admit your mistake, I've given y'all a pass on my end of the Pull, this time. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Raigad Landslide

Article: 2023 Raigad landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, a landslide in the state of Maharashtra kills at least 26 people and traps more than a hundred others. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, severe weather causes a landslide in Maharashtra and flooding in other states with hundreds of casualties.
News source(s): AP - Reuters - Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hughesdarren (talk · give credit), 77.100.222.101 (talk · give credit) and Quake1234 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: More than 100 people are feared dead in India after a landslide traps dozens, with 16 already confirmed dead. Article needs work. — Knightoftheswords 01:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - not seeing the long-term significance of this. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 02:06, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the death toll seems insignificant on ITN, there seems to be no long-term significant impact, and this only seems to affect Maharashtra. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• There is already a blurb for Indian flooding and landslides. Stephen 02:32, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Northern Indian. Maybe this could be worked in, the toll combined and the qualifier removed. But maybe not. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose I don’t see how this event is that significant right now, but can be persuaded if further developments occur. Quality wise the article isn’t the worst but still needs a good amount of work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:33, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Needs article improvement but support updating the related blurb to reference both articles once ready. - Indefensible (talk) 06:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now based solely on article quality. It's quite light on information. If the article were expanded to a more appropriate depth-of-coverage, I could fully support this. --Jayron32 10:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article's not much more than a stub. Undecided on notability, but leaning oppose. The Kip (talk) 15:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

July 20

Portal:Current events/2023 July 20

July 20, 2023 (2023-07-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Odesa attacks At least three people are killed and eight civilians are injured in a Russian strike on Odesa, Ukraine. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) The consulate general of China in Odesa suffers minor damage during the Russian strike. (Reuters) Mykolaiv attacks Russian forces strike Mykolaiv, Ukraine, injuring at least 19 civilians. (Reuters) (The Kyiv Independent) Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that it is still awaiting access to the rooftops of Ukraine's Russian-occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar, despite being permitted to view the fuel cooling pools amid allegations of the plant's usage as an atomic bargaining chip. (AFP via The Manila Times) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Two policemen are killed and two more injured during a shooting by Pakistani Taliban gunmen at a checkpoint in Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Geo TV) Two Pakistani Taliban members blow themselves up at a police station and government station in Bara, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing four police officers and wounding eleven more. (ABC News) Business and economy 2021–2023 inflation surge The Turkish central bank raises its main interest rate from 15% to 17.5% in order to control rising inflation, after the key rate nearly doubled last month. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents 2023 Raigad landslide Sixteen people are killed and 100 others are believed to be missing during a landslide in Raigad, Maharashtra, India. (The Hindu) Fifty-six people, mostly children, are hospitalized after they suffocated due to inhalation of chlorine gas that leaked from a swimming pool in Alexandria, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Around 270 people are airlifted from a Glacier 3000 aerial tramway on the Tsanfleuron Glacier in the Diablerets massif in Switzerland following an electrical failure. (AFP via The Manila Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Tokelau Tokelau's government announces the first community outbreak of COVID-19 on Fakaofo, the last of country's three atolls to report cases of the virus, as the number of COVID-19 cases exceeds fifty patients. (RNZ) 2023 European heat waves At least 110 people are injured during extreme hailstorms in Veneto, Italy. (The Guardian) A state of emergency is declared on the island of Rhodes, Greece, with evacuation orders issued for several mountain areas. (The Guardian) International relations Iraq–Sweden relations Protests against Quran desecration in Sweden Followers of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr set fire to the Swedish embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, in response to a planned Quran desecration demonstration in Stockholm, Sweden. The Swedish foreign ministry confirms the safety of its embassy staff while the Iraqi foreign ministry condemns the incident, initiating an investigation to identify those responsible. (AFP via Today) Iraqi prime minister Mohammed Shia' Al Sudani directs the foreign ministry to expel the Swedish ambassador to Iraq. (DW) North Korea–United States relations North Korea and weapons of mass destruction North Korean defence minister Kang Sun-nam warns that the deployment of the USS Kentucky ballistic missile submarine to South Korea on July 18 could provoke his country to use its nuclear weapons under its law. (AFP via CNA) Bolivia–Iran relations Bolivia and Iran sign a memorandum of understanding in Tehran, Iran, with both countries vowing to strengthen defence and security cooperation. (Xinhua) Russia–European Union relations The European Union imposes sanctions on the director of the Russian prison incarcerating opposition leader Alexei Navalny. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime 2023 Auckland shooting Three people are killed, including the shooter, and six others are injured in a mass shooting at a construction site in the central business district of Auckland, New Zealand. (Reuters) Politics and elections Opposition to Vladimir Putin in Russia Prosecutors recommend an additional 20-year prison sentence for Alexei Navalny, who is currently serving a nine-year sentence for embezzlement and contempt of court, on extremism charges. (AFP via The Guardian) Sports 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup The ninth edition of the FIFA Women's World Cup opens in New Zealand, with the co-hosts defeating Norway 1–0 in the opening match at Eden Park in Auckland. A minute's silence was observed prior to the match for the victims of the shooting that occurred several hours earlier. (AP)

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RD: Merrill J. Fernando

Article: Merrill J. Fernando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News (Australia)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by To be updated. (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan industrialist. Article requires some work. I will work on it tonight. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to jump in. Ktin (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bill Geddie

Article: Bill Geddie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/bill-geddie-dead-the-view-barbara-walters-abc-producer-1235676692/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cwater1 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Television Producer. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Matei-Agathon Dan

Article: Matei-Agathon Dan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/a-murit-dan-matei-agathon-fostul-ministru-al-turismului-2432993
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Romanian politician. Article looks good Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose for now. Article has some quality issues; it reads like a machine translation given the awkward phrases it uses in places ("suspended himself" rather than the "resigned"), has some capitalization issues, inconsistent use of the hyphen in his name, and could use some expansion, a 1-paragraph biography seems a bit light. --Jayron32 11:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Mirko Novosel

Article: Mirko Novosel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Mirko Novosel, a FIBA Hall of Fame basketball player and coach, dies at 85 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Croatian FIBA Hall of Fame basketball player and coach Mirko Novosel dies at 85.
News source(s): B92, Eurohoops, Vecernji.hr, Index.hr
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sadly, the article doesn't have adequate sourcing, so it would be a great help to help fix up the late Mirko's page to add some more sources, since he was a famous basketball player. Being in Croatia at the moment, I saw him on the national news, meaning he is quite famous in Croatia. There should be a source somewhere 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 18:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose RD and blurb Article is in poor quality for even RD. In terms of blurb, I cannot see how Novosel was influential in his field and the article does not reflect that either. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, oppose RD for now (edit conflict) Sadly, this is an undersourced stub and cannot be posted like this. It should not be a blurb merely for being famous in Croatia or a member of the FIBA HoFer. Individuals listed at List of members of the FIBA Hall of Fame are not automatic blurbs. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Not created by me. The creator was User:Karaboom, in this edit[2]. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, oppose RD until article is improved Mooonswimmer 19:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose RD on quality, as it's missing a ton of references. Strong oppose blurb per Muboshgu. The Kip (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose RD at the moment, as the article is quite brief and unsourced; I think we can SNOW the possibility of a blurb, since that will obviously not occur, so it's not worth discussing. -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is in poor condition for RD, let alone a blurb. lots of unsourced stuff in the article, will need to be improved for RD, and I think we can just forget the blurb. Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:01, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, oppose RD on quality Blurbwise I don’t see how he deserves a blurb and the article doesn’t indicate how this person was influential, he just seems like a famous basketball player and nothing more. As for RD the article is pretty stubby and extremely sparsely sourced, needs a lot of work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb & RD He isn’t notable enough as a player or coach for a blurb & the article’s quality isn’t good enough to be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, He fails notability. Alex-h (talk) 18:54, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nick Benedict

Article: Nick Benedict (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Entertainment Weekly
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article has been expanded and updated. Well sourced as well. He died on July 14th however his dead was announced today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Impressively well-cited for an actor's article. The Kip (talk) 18:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-cited indeed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Birth date could use a better source but it isn't something that would hold up the RD. Mooonswimmer 19:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 04:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:40, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup

Article: 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Created by 2nyte (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kiwifury (talk · give credit), Kingsif (talk · give credit) and S.A. Julio (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: per WP:ITNSPORTS Happily888 (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Point of Order ITNSPORTS says ongoing nominations like these typically fail and to wait for a winner. An exception was made for the 2019 Women's World Cup, but that's it. So far, anyway. This is not an Oppose vote. Just saying it's not guaranteed (even if the article is written well and updated continually). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Since 2014, all FIFA World Cups have been added to ongoing (see: 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019 and 2022). Happily888 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Those are the FIFA World Cups, unqualified, and even those discussions had to work for it; no free passes and no green banners. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I see this World Cup won in 2015, but my point mostly stands, case-by-case. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment IMO the ongoing nomination should not have the ITN/R template (the policy cited in ITNSPORTS states that 'FIFA World Cup is accepted as an appropriate "ongoing" entry.', but it's unclear whether this includes the Women's World Cup as well, nor is a discussion cited, and all previously linked ongoing nominations have not had the ITN/R template). Given that both World Cups have been posted consistently to ongoing, a separate talkpage discussion to be able to cite for future reference could be worthwhile. 107.203.253.33 (talk) 12:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support No-brainer this really; there is precedent for doing so, article is on good quality and is being maintained, and there is a fixed end-point that it can be removed on. Black Kite (talk) 13:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and removed the errant ITNR tag. Consensus discussion on the subject is that while a great many sporting events may be described as "ongoing" only the absolute highest in interest would actually be listed as such. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• And the tournament that is higher in interest in women's football than this one is...? Black Kite (talk) 17:44, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Please don't pretend like you didn't understand my comment then prompt for a response like you are engaging in discourse. It's not civil. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• It was actually a genuine question ... but whatever. Black Kite (talk) 22:09, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Ah come on, I am curious as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support I was against posting the 2022 FIFA World Cup onto ongoing but, given it’s been posted, this should be as well. There also seems to be a good precedent for doing so.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. The Kip (talk) 17:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This seems to have been done uncontroversially in the past, and the target article seems to be in good shape. I don't see where there is any qualification on "Men's but not Women's" in the statement "The FIFA World Cup is accepted as an appropriate "ongoing" entry." This is a FIFA World Cup; and this reflects practice, given that every such World Cup has been posted to ongoing since 2014 (without regard to gender). I don't see any reason to break that standard just for this year. --Jayron32 18:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  "The" suggests "one" to me. "A" could be better, but also potentially worse since I don't think the community is ready to accept the under-20s as equally important to those over. That said, Support per posting. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Gender does not equal quality. Not forcing expected gender into text that doesn't exist is not the same as not understanding that the under-20 tournament is not the same as the top-level tournament.--Jayron32 10:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Not sure what you mean. All I'm saying is the primary topic for FIFA World Cup is just that, and everything else that can be considered a FIFA World Cup is in FIFA World Cup#Other FIFA tournaments. But yes, there's nothing stopping any ongoing sports event article from conveying high-quality information in a timely manner, if given the chance. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:36, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Quality looks good, and ongoing was created on part to feature topics like the Workd Cup. --Masem (t) 18:43, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted per discussion and precedent. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 21:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  Beat me to posting by mere seconds. Let this serve as a post-posting strong support. Kicking222 (talk) 21:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Stats We have about 8 years of detailed stats now so FYI here's how such big sporting events have performed over the years. The women's event seems comparable. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Auckland shooting

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Article: 2023 Auckland shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In New Zealand, three people are dead from a shooting in Auckland's CBD just hours before the city hosts the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup opening game. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Two people are killed and seven injured in a mass shooting in Auckland, New Zealand.
News source(s): BBC News; CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A shooting with three fatalities (including the shooter) is certainly not a notable event. Make it happen right in the city centre of a place where the FIFA Women's World Cup is to kick off a few hours later, and you have the whole world showing an interest. Schwede66 01:45, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt Ec'd on the nom, but added alt that doesn't mention World Cup. Support as creator and per nom comment. Apparently the World Cup was not the perp's motivation (hence alt), but he certainly picked a time and place to make an international scene (hence support). Also, there's been 6 (if I can count) mass shootings in New Zealand, take that information however you want. Kingsif (talk) 01:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  There are three people dead, though, including the perpetrator, who I suggest should be included in the count. Schwede66 01:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's been thankfully quite a while since we've posted an attack incident, I can't remember if we usually include perps in the body count. Kingsif (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - there's no reason to suspect that this will have sustained notability. I wouldn't support posting this if it happened in the US, so I see no reason to support this because it happened elsewhere. It just sounds like a crazy person with a gun, unless the world cup was related to this person's choice to do it. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 01:59, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  I wouldn't support if it happened in the US either, but it did not happen in the US, and in terms of shootings, location is newsworthy context. I do not think this would be in the (real) news at all if it happened in the US. There's a chance it wouldn't really scratch the surface if it was in Paris or London, either. Likewise, while the World Cup was apparently not a motive, I do not think this would be getting as extensive live coverage in the news if it did not happen where and when it did specifically. The newsworthiness is very affected by context in this case. Kingsif (talk) 02:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Already ruled not related to terrorism or the like, and thus sounds like a normal domestic crime with no connection to the Women's Cup. --Masem (t) 02:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not terrorism, not WWC related, not significant. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Alt (but prefer three dead and six injured) Not natural causes, not an act of God, good to mix things up. The coverage is certainly there. The article's fairly brief, as are the "flooding and landslides" ones; no glaring problems. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:33, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose A young man lost control and killed two people with a shotgun, and ended up dead himself. This does not meet most definitions of a mass shooting. No connection has yet been established with the athletic event taking place nearby. This is a run-of-the-mill murder. The article has serious undue weight issues. Cullen328 (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  This isn't in the US, where these things are common. Secretlondon (talk) 07:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  A young man also shot six people with a shotgun who lived to tell about it. Victim impact statements can go a long way in a coroner's inquest. And an inquest can have some pretty drastic effects on gun laws. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Don't see how this is notable. If the death count was higher I'd most likely look at this an other way, but 2 deaths is pretty insignificant (although tragic nonetheless) for ITN. TwistedAxe [contact] 08:39, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the article seems to be very WP:COATRACKy, conflating other events that were close in space and time, but otherwise unrelated, to the subject. The article has only about 10 sentences about the shooting itself, including information about the killer themselves and about the response. There's not a lot here to hang a blurb on, really. It's a horrific, tragic event, but unless the article can be expanded significantly, about the event itself and its significance, I'm not sure it merits the main page. If more information comes out that allows us to expand the article significantly, I would be willing to change my vote.--Jayron32 10:52, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt Context is important, whilst this event wouldn't be notable in the US, it definitely is if country has very low mass shooting rates were to have one. Happily888 (talk) 11:20, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article is quite short when you remove the chunk about its effect on the Women's World Cup, and otherwise, it barely meets the definition of a mass shooting as it is. Agree with above that sustained notability is likely to be low. The Kip (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose While gun violence is relatively uncommon in New Zealand (though not as unheard of as some might assume), this incident isn't particularly notable. The "Women's World Cup" section is unnecessary, as the shooting was unrelated to the event, despite headlines suggesting a connection.Mooonswimmer 19:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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July 19

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July 19, 2023 (2023-07-19) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Bombing of Odesa At least 12 people are injured in a night-time Russian missile attack on Odesa, Ukraine. (AP via ABC News) Crimea attacks A fire occurs at the military training grounds in Crimea, forcing the evacuation of more than 2,000 people and the closure of a nearby highway. (Reuters) List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The United States announces a $1.3 billion military aid package to Ukraine. The package includes four NASAMS air defense systems, anti-tank missiles, Phoenix Ghost and Switchblade attack drones, and landmine clearing equipment, among others. (The New York Times) Kivu conflict Nine people are killed and 16 others are injured during the explosion of a bomb in a field in Rutshuru Territory, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) Terrorism in India Police in Bangalore, India, arrest five men suspected of planning a terrorist attack in the city. (The Times of India) Business and economy A Powerball lottery player from California, United States, becomes the third to win a billion-dollar prize, with a ticket purchased in Los Angeles earning the $1 billion jackpot. (AFP via The Daily Star) Disasters and accidents At least 34 people are killed and 12 others are injured when a bus collides with a car in Tamanrasset Province, Algeria. (Reuters via Al Arabiya) Sixteen people are killed and eleven others are injured when an electricity transformer explodes on the banks of the Alaknanda River in Chamoli district, Uttarakhand, India. (Hindustan Times) One person is killed and 48 others are injured during an underground gas explosion in Johannesburg, South Africa. (AP) Five people are killed and several others are injured across Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia, after a storm passes through the countries. (Reuters) (AP via The San Diego Union-Tribune) International relations 15th BRICS summit South Africa confirms that Russian president Vladimir Putin, who faces an arrest warrant from the International Criminal Court, will participate remotely in the upcoming BRICS summit in Johannesburg rather than attend in person. (AFP via The Manila Times) The United States sanctions multiple Central American officials accused of corruption, including former Presidents of El Salvador Mauricio Funes and Salvador Sánchez Cerén. (AP via ABC News) Law and crime A court in Iran sentences actress Afsaneh Bayegan to a suspended two years in prison for failing to comply with the hijab law. (AFP via The Times of Israel) Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi pardons Coptic researcher Patrick Zaki and the lawyer of political activist Alaa Abd El-Fattah. Both men had been convicted of allegedly disseminating fake news. (AFP via France 24) At least two protesters are shot by police, 14 more are hospitalized, and at least 300 are arrested during protests in Kenya. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Aftermath of the 2023 Thai general election A Thai court suspends Move Forward Party leader Pita Limjaroenrat's status as a lawmaker after accusing him of violating election laws for allegedly holding shares in a media company. (CNN) In Singapore, Workers' Party member of parliament Leon Perera and member Nicole Seah resign following the social media dissemination of a video revealing their extramarital affair, which party secretary-general Pritam Singh confirmed. (AFP via NDTV)

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(Posted) RD: James Reston Jr.

Article: James Reston Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/19/us/james-reston-jr-dead.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Author. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:05, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks generally good, except for the one CN tag at the end. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced. One cn tag in a vastly well sourced article shouldn't keep it from posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted -- Kicking222 (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Formation of opposition grand alliance in India

Article: Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance (I.N.D.I.A.). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, 26 opposition parties unite and form the Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance.
News source(s): The Indian Express, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This nomination will probably get opposes, but I think it's still pretty significant (tbh I'm from Bangladesh). Significant opposition parties like TMC and AAP, who are (now were) political opponents of INC-led UPA have also joined the I.N.D.I.A. alliance, just with the aim to take on the ruling BJP-led NDA. — Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is definitely a major political step in the largest democracy in the world and perhaps the largest coalition ever made. To illustrate how big is this, the aggregate number of votes that the parties making up this coalition won at the 2019 Indian general election is greater than the total turnout at the 2019 European Parliament election or the 2020 United States presidential election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

You're literally just saying that India is a populous country. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yes. An event like this greatly affects nearly 1 billion voters. I'm not one to complain about American or Western bias on ITN, but I do feel like if this kind of event happened in the USA (if the USA was a multi-party democracy that is), it would probably be posted.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The Democrats joining the Republicans? You bet that would be worldwide news. A single-party system would alter the political trajectory of this country forever. Of course, the nomination would likely still be contentious, because of the usual apprehension towards U.S. political intrigue. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I read too fast and realized you were referring to a multi-democracy system, or perhaps more likely, splinter parties in the United States merging into one. Still, it would be a big deal. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Yep. Another equivalent scenario would be a populist, right-wing party becoming dominant by a wide margin in US politics, leading to the Republicans, Democrats, and other small parties to enter a coalition to oppose them. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll support a similar story if China becomes a democratic country one day.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The BJP led National Democratic Alliance is still bigger then the new INDIA alliance. So it is not the largest ever made party-wise. Rushtheeditor (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Agreed that the NDA is now bigger but not sure if it used to be at the time of its formation in 1998. That's why I used "perhaps".--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Actually NDA's number of members doesn't actually matters very much here (IMO).

In INDIA, there maybe less parties, but there are more than one party which has major significance in Indian politics. TMC, AAP, JD(U), NCP, SP... these have significance in Indian politics, if not national then regional.

Also, it's the first time all major oppositions of the BJP has came under one coalition.

Now, BJP has been much powerful to rule India solely, and it's still the most major. And many analysts say that BJP is hard to defeat because 'opposition isn't united'. Now that's no more relevant. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Wait I think in general, these kinds of internal political machinations are best left for when such alliances and coalitions actually win elections. When they take the majority in the next general election, and when the next Prime Minister gets selected from said alliance, then we will have the time to post such a thing. --Jayron32 14:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's pretty much guaranteed we'll post the 2024 Indian election anyways. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - A lot of people would oppose solely for the reason that this is really just domestic politics and has no widespread significance, but the fact that this has happened in the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 1 BILLION eligible voters, that's big news. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm very uninformed about India and its politics, this is a pretty unprecedented event.

Population isn't the only reason I support (this is In the News, article is being well updated), but it is a significant factor that elevates the notability of Indian affairs for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - This alliance of the 26 parties is a major event in the politics of India and it has quite significant representation in both the Lok Sabha (143/543) and Rayja Sabha (96/245) and could very well shape up to be a strong force against the NDA and, by extension, Modi's nearly decade long position as PM. JumbledPasta (talk) 17:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose This could have some major political ramifications in the upcoming general election let alone in Modi's nearly decade tenure as PM. However, the later half of the article is unsourced. Once this is fixed, I can fully support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the orange tag. The article is a lacking some prose, but I'd be willing to support if the tag gets removed ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:12, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support once fixed. I agree with the voices above. The depth and impact of this is quite significant, and it would be nice to post some India-related stories that aren't just disasters. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  If Chandrayaan-3 successfully lands on the Moon, that’ll be an ITN/R story involving India that isn’t a disaster. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Pre-election alliances are somewhat commonplace in the parliamentary system, and I do not recall another one being nominated previously. Being bias-averse, I would strongly object to breaking new ground due to the country's population, especially when that country is English-speaking. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know if you are much aware of Indian politics in the recent decade(s).

  This alliance isn't just a normal electoral coalition in a parliamentary democracy. In the last 14years, oppositions of the ruling BJP has never been this much united. They had feud within themselves. But it's the first time many years that parties which are actually enemies, have formed one grand alliance to take on the ruling coalition (In India). Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Comment; India is not an English speaking country, despite it being an official language in much of the country. Only 12% speak it fluently and 70% do not speak it at all. There are far more fluent English speakers in many other countries - 31 countries are rated as "High" or "Very High" in fluency and India is not amongst them, being rated 52nd out of 111. Black Kite (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Withdrawn. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:34, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Also, even if it were true, why would India being an English-speaking nation be relevant? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  The concern specifically is bias in favor of locations where a substantial portion of our editors reside or identify with. Upon further review, I believe only the US and UK have such a significant proportion of editors as to raise this concern. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems to be very much a work-in-progress. And it's interesting to read that Rahul Gandhi has been officially disqualified as a candidate while we ran a similar ban on Bolsonaro for weeks. All such countries have political news every day and our general practise is to just report the most major results such as election outcomes and other changes of power. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We cannot still be hung-up about the Bolsonaro blurb which had near unanimous support and was well within ITN tradition for former national leaders; comparing him to disqualified opposition leaders (never posted) is not really justified. Gotitbro (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

The point in that case was that use of the law against opposition parties was commonplace. In this case, Rahul Gandhi has been disqualified while the INDIA acronym has already been reported to the police as an improper use of the country's name. Meanwhile, the parties can't quite agree what it stands for -- D = Democratic or Developmental, depending on who you talk to. As I said, it's a work-in-progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability - this is clearly important. Oppose on quality - not good enough yet. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Would like to see precedent for this, AFAIK we have not posted such coalition "announcements" ever before which only become significant (for us) at election time. Leaning oppose. Gotitbro (talk) 19:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - wait what? A group of parties have agreed to form a coalition, but that coalition is not the government, as this coalition is still in the minority? These parties usually vote in opposition to the government anyway. So what? Coalitions are formed in nearly every election cycle in nearly every parliamentary multi-party system. Otherwise this is internal political machinations that is trivial to most people, including Indians. nableezy - 19:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is certainly notable, and this may as well be one of the largest political coalition ever made, once the article is fixed, this should be ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  Its not even the largest coalition in India? That would be the governing coalition National Democratic Alliance with, checks notes, the majority in the Lok Sabha. nableezy - 02:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Questions What does "List of governments" mean, in context? Also, doesn't an alliance require multiple parties? And wouldn't "uniting" make them one? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per nableezy and GreatCaesarsGhost. There’s nothing especially notable about this compared to other coalition formations, beyond the fact that India has a massive population. The Kip (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Question - did we post the turkish untiy coalition? this is awfully similar to that. it would set precedent. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

  We can't post something that wasn't nominated, and absence is not evidence of insignificance. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  oh. its a shame it wasnt nominated. Rushtheeditor (talk) 18:48, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability; certainly a massive group of parties and from a diverse background. Oppose on article quality (referencing; disambiguation needed) and depth. Schwede66 01:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per GCG. Unnotable. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:34, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not tracking the significance unless they, per Jayron32's comments, produce a PM to office. CoatCheck (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose it's not even a formal coalition, it's an electoral alliance and these can be very short lived Abcmaxx (talk) 18:25, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - per Abcmaxx. Rushtheeditor (talk) 18:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose wait elections results Shadow4dark (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

July 18

Portal:Current events/2023 July 18

July 18, 2023 (2023-07-18) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Russian mobilization The Russian Federal Assembly amends its mobilization laws, raising the age limits for conscription to 70 years old from 65 for the highest-ranking officers of the armed forces. (Reuters) Business and economy Philippine president Bongbong Marcos signs into law the Maharlika Investment Fund, the country's sovereign wealth fund, amid warnings and opposition from various sectors. (Bloomberg) Spain's competition commission fines American technology companies Amazon and Apple €194 million (US$218 million) for allegedly agreeing to restrict competition by having Apple products sold directly through Amazon's platforms and limiting opportunities for third-party retailers. (AP) The Bank of Japan governor Kazuo Ueda says that the bank's loose monetary policy will continue, and since "our assumption ... is unchanged, our overall narrative on monetary policy remains unchanged." (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2023 North India floods Eight people are killed and more than 115,000 people are displaced after heavy flooding in Assam, India. (Reuters) An elderly woman is killed and two other people are injured when a three-story residential building partially collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Health and environment 2023 European heat waves The European Union's emergency response coordination centre issues red alerts due to extreme heat in Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, most of Italy, and parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Spain. (Reuters) An outbreak of dengue fever infects over 200 people in a rural region of Egypt's Qena Governorate. The patients are said to all have mild to moderate symptoms, which include fatigue and fever. (Egyptian Independent) International relations North Korea–United States relations, American military defectors to North Korea An American soldier facing disciplinary action flees across the inter-Korean border into North Korea and is believed to be in North Korean custody. (Reuters) South Korea–United States relations The USS Kentucky is deployed to Busan, South Korea, marking the first time that a nuclear-capable missile submarine has been deployed to the region since 1981. (Navy Times) Law and crime Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announces charges against 16 “fake electors” for former U.S. President Donald Trump in a effort to reverse president Joe Biden’s victory in the state during the 2020 election. (CNBC) Philippine drug war The Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Court rejects the appeal of the Philippine government against the resumption of the investigation of the war on drugs under the presidency of Rodrigo Duterte. (CNN) An Egyptian court sentences Christian rights activist Patrick Zaki to three years in prison over an opinion article he wrote in 2019 about discrimination against Coptic Christians. (AP) (BBC News) Science and technology 2023 in archosaur paleontology, 2023 in paleomammalogy In a study published in the journal Scientific Reports, researchers present a 125-million-year-old fossil from central China depicting a mammalian Repenomamus robustus hunting a dinosaur, Psittacosaurus lujiatunensis, suggesting that small mammals may have actively hunted dinosaurs, not merely scavenged from them. (AP) Sports 2026 Commonwealth Games The Australian state of Victoria withdraws as host of the 2026 Commonwealth Games due to the increasing cost projections relative to initial estimations. (AFP via Philippine Daily Inquirer)

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RD: DJ Deeon

Article: DJ Deeon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/dj-deeon-dead-ghetto-house-chicago-dies-1235373448/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Reppop (talk · give credit), BenjiBooz (talk · give credit) and Lopifalko (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American DJ. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Agree with nom. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:27, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article’s length, depth and sourcing appears sufficient. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 05:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Hellawell

Article: Mike Hellawell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66237623
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Struway2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has 277 words and is too stubby for ITNRD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:30, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support and marked ready, this is fine now it has been expanded. Black Kite (talk) 07:13, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article needs work but is OK for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 18:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Paul Kamuza Bakyenga

Article: Paul Kamuza Bakyenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://chimpreports.com/bishop-emeritus-bakyenga-dies-at-79/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ugandan priest. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment A lot of the article is cited to Catholic-Hierarchy, which is an unreliable source. Is there a source that can substitute this? Curbon7 (talk) 06:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Oommen Chandy

Article: Oommen Chandy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Kerala Chief Minister Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks well-cited and goes pretty in-depth about the subject. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Close, but has some unreferenced tables and paragraphs. Spencer^T•C 07:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks OK. Alex-h (talk) 11:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article has cn tags and unsourced tables. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:50, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ed Bressoud

Article: Ed Bressoud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died "last week", first reported today – Muboshgu (talk) 01:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article appears sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shintaro Yokota

Article: Shintaro Yokota (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by DarkSide830 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NPB outfielder whose career was cut short by a brain tumor. Article could use some fleshing out and additional sourcing. Could particularly use some additional Japanese sources, as English ones are poor and lacking. Case in point, I'm not sure the source here is classified as "reliable", but it's the one linked in the article and the English sources I can find are probably not. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article length clears bar for ITNRD standards. AGF on Japanese sources. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks alright, assuming good faith on Japanese sources. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2026 Commonwealth Games cancellation

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2026 Commonwealth Games (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Victorian Government in Australia cancels the 2026 Commonwealth Games. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The state government of Victoria, Australia revokes its decision to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games.
News source(s): Australia Commonwealth Games 2026: Victoria cancels event after costs blow out to $7bn
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rude-boy-wayne (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PicturePerfect666 (talk · give credit) and Gracchus250 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The Commonwealth Games are covered by WP:ITNSPORTS and by extension, the notability of the cancellation of the event should not really be up for discussion. Schwede66 06:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Of course a cancelled R event is far less inherently noteworthy, it's the exact opposite, the parts our forepedians agreed make it special do not occur. And they don't occur in 2026 (unless something changes). Too soon for the event, too soon for the non-event. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The opening of the Commonwealth Games is listed as ITN/R, not the cancellation or any other related news. I've changed it in the nomination so that people don't get deluded.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I disagree with InedibleHulk: the cancellation is equally as important. If the fact that it happens was deemed ITNR, then the fact that it won't happen (at this stage), is equally, if not more, noteworthy. Anarchyte (talk) 07:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  The lack of international participation, live broadcast schedule and athletic contest greatly reduces the importance. Without that (or the tourism bump, sponsorship deals and souvenir programs), we're left with a state budget reallocation. While that's certainly different from a New York state legislative veto on a few levels, it's similar enough to make me think about snowclosing this as too local (I won't, though, out of respect to the nominator and good people of Victoria who probably deserve affordable housing). InedibleHulk (talk) 07:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  "...too local" is a bit silly. This will be hitting the media in the 56 member nations of the Commonwealth, including India, with its population of 1.4 billion people. HiLo48 (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  And yet it's nothing like the NYC veto. That involved the politics of one city. This, while of course political, affects every Commonwealth country. They'll go away and find a new host; that's not in doubt. But the fallout of this is far greater than a local housing bill. Global (although primarily Commonwealth) news outlets are saying this could spell the beginning of the end for the Games: Guardian, ABC, Reuters, CNN. Anarchyte (talk) 07:47, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  You're talking to a card-carrying Canadian. The winning bid made the news here, too, and the time Durban fell through. Later, the replacement host will do the same again. We can't just post everything that involves a future event, no matter how convincing the alarmist speculation feels. Not without consensus, at least, no free pass. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  (You got me on the city point, though, I misremembered the state and should have bothered checking.) InedibleHulk (talk) 07:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support certainly in the British media. Secretlondon (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The games haven't been cancelled; the issue is that the host city is withdrawing. This happened last time to Durban and a replacement was found. There will be efforts to find some other stopgap and there's years still to do this. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Forget that this is related to an ITN/R item. This simply IS In The News! Of at least the 56 member nations of the Commonwealth, including India, with its population of 1.4 billion people. HiLo48 (talk) 08:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  It's a lot, but it's not all 56. Vanuatu doesn't even have news. Kiribati might, I barely checked. At least as far I can Google (first page of results), there's one story from India. It mentions Victoria, but then quickly moves on to things that actually happened. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  Give it time. It's only ten hours since the announcement. HiLo48 (talk) 10:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance Huge, very "whoa" event. This is probably the biggest sports event cancellation to date. MarioJump83 (talk) 10:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - The cancellation of recurring sports events is highly notable simply on the basis that those events are usually recurring, and I find the statistical figures compelling. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 11:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment - Did we blurb the cancellation/postponement of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, as that was an arguably larger event? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Good question. We did post it, but it was kinda a fiasco with the posting and pulling and reposting and the debating/discussion in that nom. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 13:09, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose As noted above, only the host city has decided to pull out, that doesn't mean the event has been cancelled in whole. --Masem (t) 12:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose If this was the cancellation of the 2026 Commonwealth Games I'd definitely support. However at the moment it's only the host city pulling out. It is true unlike in 2017 with Durban, no one seems to be interested in stepping up at the moment and indeed many who could seem to (seem perhaps being the operative word) have ruled it out and for that and I guess other reasons (the state of the world economy and the economies of anyone large enough to host) there are talks it could lead to the cancellation but we don't know, I'm sure most of us have been around long enough to know that sort of idle speculation often happens and then (perhaps with some scaling back) it ends up going ahead. And I'm not convinced the host city pulling out is enough to post even if we did post its selection (if we did). I recognise there is a risk that the 2026 Games will die a slow death and even if there is eventually some announcement it's not going ahead we'll end up with a situation no one really cares since it's basically already been clear for a long time. But I'm not sure posting an item on the host city pulling out is the solution. Nil Einne (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  This [5] might be of interest especially since it IMO touches on both sides of the include/exclude argument. It talks about how this could not only be the cancellation of the 2026 event but the risk to the games itself. But it also talks about how one of the reasons for that is the growing lack of interest and relevance. I also forgot to mention above another difference with 2017 Durban is the timeframe is a reasonable amount shorter. Nil Einne (talk) 13:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose per Masem and Andrew. If it’s just the city pulling out of hosting then it doesn’t seem significant enough yet to me. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 13:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose per Masem. IF the games as a whole were cancelled I'd support per WaltClipper. I think the rare cancellation of an ITN/R event is surely notable ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• If the games are actually cancelled then of course support, if its just up in the air for now until a new host city/state can be found then meh. nableezy - 13:53, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose i feel like india winning the 67th division of english cricket is way more important Massacreek (talk) 13:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support If the 2026 Commonwealth Games is cancelled/not held, can we be sure that there will be an announcement? It seems that a possible or even probable outcome is that 1 January 2026 arrives with no announcement, and then 2026 proceeds with no announcement. Then on 31 December 2026 or 1 January 2027 we could be sure that the event has been cancelled, but it won't be "in the news" because people would have assumed that the event would not be held. So for me, this is the appropriate time for an ITN posting. Chrisclear (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Added altblurb to reflect that the Commonwealth Games have not (yet) been cancelled, but Victoria will not be the host. Chrisclear (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose irrelevant for ITNR purposes. We are only interested in the holding or cancellation of the games, not the mere fact of changes in the hosts. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:13, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We usually post things as/when they happen to completion. Not notices, scheduling, planning or deliberative proceedings. CoatCheck (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Unless I'm missing something, the news is Victoria isn't hosting in 2026, not that the games have entirely been cancelled, which may, granted, be forthcoming, but still that hasn't happened yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Cancellation of a sport event short of the Olympics doesn't merit ITN, nor have the games even been cancelled, the host has just withdrawn This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose unless the games are outright cancelled. For now, this is just the host pulling out. The Kip (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The cancellation of some sports game does not merit the ITN, and from what I heard, it hasn't even been canceled, the host city just noped out. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not actually canceled, just without a host country. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 18:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape, high quality update, topic is in the news. --Jayron32 18:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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Ongoing removal: 2023 Sudan conflict

Article: 2023 Sudan conflict (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: One editor's opinions: yes, this was big news when it broke out, but sadly has become another ongoing conflict similar to many others in Africa (Central African Republic Civil War) and elsewhere (Myanmar civil war (2021–present), Yemeni civil war (2014–present)) (and yes, I know Sudan was geographically the largest country in Africa, though is no longer). Keeping it in the ITN box while other similar conflicts are not there violates WP:UNDUE. Thoughts from other editors? UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• I thought it was meant to counterbalance our undue attention on the Ukrainian conflict. Even if that wasn't the intent (not much intent was stated beyond "significant" and "ongoing"), it seems to me now that removing it would just reinforce our apparent preference. Maybe we should rather add one of the ones you mention are still ongoing, perhaps in the middle, where the soldiers and civilians aren't so black-and-white. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think keeping the Ukrainian conflict as the sole entry would violate WP:UNDUE given 1) its cross-border nature, 2) one of the parties is a nuclear-armed state, 3) much higher casualty figures than the Sudan conflict. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• On second thought, perhaps highlighting the 2023 North American Indigenous Games might instead spread awareness of how 756 lesser-recognized nations settle their differences peacefully. It's not all war and disease going on, y'know? Quality isn't perfect. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:59, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment Just so you know there’s a section of the itn blurb template you’re supposed to use for ongoing removals. “| ongoing = rem” will make it an ongoing removal nom. Here’s an example of a proper ongoing removal nomination. Later note: Another editor has added the template now (would’ve done it myself but I wasn’t sure if I was allowed to so I decided to err on the side of caution.) Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 05:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @MonarchOfTerror and whomever BOLDly cleaned up my nom.; will know to use it the next time. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now, seems to still be receiving major updates thanks largely to User:Borgenland. The UN announced they found a new mass grave with 87 victims just a few days ago. - Indefensible (talk) 06:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support There are lots of comparable ongoing armed conflicts. There are three in the top tier of "major wars" and this isn't one of them. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:28, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose for now. Article is updated with news as of about 4-5 days ago, so it is still being updated. Though if nothing else gets updated by the end of the week, I would consider dropping it. --Jayron32 10:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see any reason we shouldn't post the top 3-5 ongoing armed conflicts and it seems reasonable to say this is in the list. Therefore the only consideration is whether the article is receiving updates. Since it still seems to be, it's reasonable to include it. I also think the relative recency of this is an added factor since it means the mass movement of people and the problem of of housing or protecting them is for lack of a better word, more active or topical. Nil Einne (talk) 12:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose article is still receiving updates. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support There has been no major news updates on this for at least a week. Yes, the article has been getting updates but not on any current events, which is the requirement for ongoing. --Masem (t) 19:10, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment: Article does receive constant updates (at times several a day). Just check the history.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per above, especially in re mass grave discoveryThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as new edits/updates seem to be rolling in ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:18, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose The article's been only just barely receiving enough updates to stay in ongoing, with the bulk of recent updates being to references/citations. As a result, I can't support removal in good faith, but I think it's certainly worth revisiting in the near-future. The Kip (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

July 17

Portal:Current events/2023 July 17

July 17, 2023 (2023-07-17) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion A couple are killed and their daughter is injured by explosions at the Crimean Bridge. (Reuters) (The Guardian) Black Sea Grain Initiative The agreement to allow safe passage of grain exports from Ukrainian ports, in effect since July 2022, expires following Russia's refusal to renew the deal. (Reuters) Afghan conflict Three children are killed and two others are injured when a mortar warhead explodes in Dara-i Sufi Payin District, Samangan Province, Afghanistan. (Khaama Press) Disasters and accidents 2023 Pacific typhoon season Monsoon rains aggravated by Tropical Storm Talim have affected the northern Philippines, killing a person during a landslide in Rizal. Nine crew members of a fishing vessel who went missing off Camarines Norte are rescued off Camarines Sur. (The Philippine Star) (Abante Tonite) 2023 Greece wildfires Two wildfires near the Greek seaside towns of Lagonisi, East Attica, and Loutraki, Corinthia, cause significant property damage and prompt the evacuation of thousands. The Athens urban area and most of southern Greece are on the second highest level of wildfire alert. (AP via ABC News) Fifteen people are killed, six others are injured and thirteen more are missing during landslides caused by heavy rains in Quetame, Colombia. (DW) Thirteen people are killed and five others are injured when a building collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) Five people are killed and seven others are injured when a Cessna 208 aircraft crashes into a hangar at an aerodrome in the village of Chrcynno, Poland. (AFP via NDTV) Health and environment The World Health Organization reports that the avian influenza is responsible for killing dozens of cats across 13 regions of Poland, marking the first instance of the virus affecting a large number of felines over an extensive area. (Global News) International relations Political status of Western Sahara, Israel–Morocco relations Israel recognizes Morocco's sovereignty over Western Sahara. (The Jerusalem Post) Law and crime Shakahola Forest incident The number of people who died in Kenya after following a pastor who ordered them to fast to death in order to meet Jesus increases to 403 as the bodies of twelve more people are exhumed. (AP) A Kenyan magistrate court acquits former British-based evangelist Gilbert Deya, who claimed to aid infertile couples conceive through prayer, due to insufficient prosecution evidence connecting Deya to the trafficking of five children between 1999 and 2004. (AFP via The Manila Times) Politics and elections Singaporean Parliament Speaker Tan Chuan-Jin and backbencher Cheng Li Hui resign from the Parliament of Singapore and the ruling People's Action Party after admitting to having an extramarital affair. (CNA)

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RD: Bruno Flierl

Article: Bruno Flierl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutschlandfunk
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Drmies (talk · give credit) and Blablubbs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German architect. Article requires some work. I will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to it before me, please feel free to do so. Edits done. Article has shaped into a decent start / c-class biography. Rater.js says C-class, but, I think this is closer to start-class. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article appear sufficient in terms of depth, length and sourcing. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 03:40, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jerry Bradley (music executive)

Article: Jerry Bradley (music executive) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT Rolling Stone
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Derek R Bullamore (talk · give credit) and Miller17CU94 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American music exec known for his work in country music. Article doesn’t appear to have any problems of note. At a second glance, the article uses Discogs as a source which is not reliable. If someone could find a replacement source that would be great. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 11:40, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Nancy Pyle

Article: Nancy Pyle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://sanjosespotlight.com/her-heart-was-in-service-former-san-jose-councilmember-nancy-pyle-dies/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Legoktm (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: San Jose, California educator and politican (she was my representative for a number of years). This is my first ITN nomination, let me know if I missed anything, thanks! Legoktm (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article feels a tad short, but well-cited and probably just long enough for RD. The Kip (talk) 17:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well sourced and just long enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Lead is too short.—Bagumba (talk) 09:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  The intro now has three sentences. Good enough, I hope? -- PFHLai (talk) 11:37, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, at least no longer a solo sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for checking. Posted now. --PFHLai (talk) 15:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Sue Marx

Article: Sue Marx (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WXYZ
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rigg (talk · give credit) and CAWylie (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Academy Award winning filmmaker. Thriley (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article's a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• With merely 239 words of prose, this stubby wikibio needs to be expanded before it can go on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 05:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: João Donato

Article: João Donato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR G1
Credits:

• Nominated by MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian pianist. Discography needs citations. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 03:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Discography is entirely uncited. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 04:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Valentin Gheorghiu

Article: Valentin Gheorghiu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Editor 5426387 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is at near-stub level, only has two sources so ref work is needed and the article body sounds almost like a resume/obituary. Weak oppose Fantastic work on fixing up the article! The recordings section has one cn tag and I'm not sure if the list of recordings listed needs sourcing. Support Issues resolved. Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:36, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 00:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Article needs a lot of work, everything in the multiple issues template needs to be addressed. Support Article isn’t perfect but is good enough for RD. Has my full support now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:27, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on Quality As a classical musician myself, it is sad to see another composer and pianist die, but the article has this strange section about critics which promotes him too much, on top of the other issues mentioned ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment This is a premature nomination. I will not have time to look until tomorrow (haven't finished yesterday's RD article, and not begun today's, and doing no more than one per day). I requested a native Romanian speaker, and we'll see what happens. All help is welcome, but no additional oppose needed until a signal comes here that it's updated. - I wonder if a nomination without update makes any sense, but well, if the result would be update, then yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Update: I added, please look again. The article we had was simply copyvio, and in that state I don't think a nomination should be made. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Ping Please look again, user:HistoryTheorist, User:MonarchOfTerror, User:Iamstillqw3rty and User:TDKR Chicago 101. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Withdraw opposition, change to support it looks much better now ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:52, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Crimean Bridge explosions

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Article: 2023 Crimean Bridge explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A set of explosions at the Crimean Bridge kills 2 people and injures 1 and forces the bridge to close. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 2 people are killed in a set of explosions at the Crimean Bridge.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Explosions at the Crimean Bridge cause the deaths of 2 people, including a child who was injured.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Crimean Bridge is closed after 2 explosions rocked the bridge, killing 2 people, and injuring a child.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, CNN, Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Jalapeño (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Altenmann (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This incident happened about 10 hours ago, as of the time I'm writing this, so some sources may very quickly become outdated. This is the 2nd time the Crimean Bridge got attacked by Ukraine, the last time being... I think everyone knows what happened last time. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 12:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait, leaning oppose due to ongoing. No cause yet is known so we can't attribute it to Ukraine. And the small number of deaths makes this a minor point in the war, barring anything unusual in followup. Masem (t) 13:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Isn't the point of ITN to post ongoing events on the Main Page?

Also, how is this event minor? The Crimean Bridge is a critical supply line. Last time the bridge exploded (attacked), it resulted in 5 deaths. This resulted in 2. But somehow the older explosion is not minor, but this is, because there were only 2 deaths instead of 5. It's still an explosion, which just so happened to be on a key supply line used by Russia, 9 months after another attack.

Yes, most of the sourcing comes from Russian officials talking about the explosion for now. We'll also have to wait before we can be sure what caused it. But of course Russian officials are claiming it's a Ukrainian drone attack. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. After all, it would be a smart way to stall Russian military supplies (at least some of them), and then lure officials to the attack site, and (optionally) launch another one, damaging the bridge further and killing Russian officials as well. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 13:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Was a notable event last time around, not so much the 2nd time. Major infrastructure in a war zone will get bombed. This is covered by ongoing.

Good faith nom, but I don't really think this meets the requirements. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose covered by ongoing. We don't post all the times that Russia fires cruise missiles into Ukrainian residential areas. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Mangala Narlikar

Article: Mangala Narlikar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Eminent mathematician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, Article if fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 12:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support, article is fine 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 12:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Well cited, especially for a start-class article. SunsetShotguns (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per above ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 15:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article's quality and sourcing looks good. Marking as ready. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 16:01, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per Above Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Per all above. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

July 16

Portal:Current events/2023 July 16

July 16, 2023 (2023-07-16) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Anglophone Crisis Ten people are killed and two others are injured as gunmen open fire at a busy junction in Bamenda, Northwest Region, Cameroon. (Reuters) Transnistrian communist and opposition leader Oleg Khorzhan is assassinated during a stabbing attack in his office. (Newsweek) Business and economy Corporate responses to the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian President Vladimir Putin authorizes a temporary state takeover of French agribusiness Danone and Carlsberg-owned brewer Baltika's shares, as part of a wider response to many private companies, including these two, reducing their business operations in Russia amid the ongoing war in Ukraine. (AFP via SCMP) Disasters and accidents List of earthquakes in 2023 A 7.2 magnitude earthquake strikes off the coast of Alaska, United States, causing a tsunami warning to be issued for the region. (ABC News) Forty-two pilot whales die in a mass beaching incident on a beach in North Tolsta, Outer Hebrides, Scotland, United Kingdom, while 12 others are euthanised following failed attempts to refloat them due to adverse conditions. (AFP via WION) Six people are killed and three others are injured in a car crash in Tacoma, Washington, United States. (AP) At least four people are killed and seven others are hospitalized when a water bus carrying 20 passengers capsizes in the Buriganga River near Dhaka, Bangladesh. A rescue operation is ongoing. (Reuters via Hindustan Times) Four people are killed and 13 more injured during a building collapse in Beheira Governorate, Egypt. (Al-Ahram) The Office of Civil Defense in the Philippines reports that search and rescue operations are ongoing for nine passengers of a fishing vessel who went missing off Mercedes, Camarines Norte, earlier this week. (Philippine News Agency via Manila Bulletin) Health and environment 2023 Asia heat wave Japan issues heat stroke warnings in 20 of its prefectures due to near-record high temperatures, reaching nearly 40 °C (104 °F) in some areas, with the country's meteorological agency indicating the possibility of surpassing the highest ever recorded temperature of 41.1 °C (106.0 °F). (AFP via The Hindu) At an Alzheimer's Association conference in Amsterdam, Netherlands, experts in Alzheimer's disease propose a new seven-point diagnostic scale that incorporates advancements in testing for key Alzheimer's-related proteins and aims to facilitate more personalized treatment strategies. (Reuters) International relations Accession of the United Kingdom to CPTPP Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch formally signs the accession protocol for the United Kingdom to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. (Nikkei Asia) Law and crime Iranian protests against compulsory hijab Iranian Morality Police resume patrols to enforce hijab compliance. (Al Jazeera) A large protest occurs in the city of Rasht in response to the Morality Police's unsuccessful attempt to arrest three unveiled women. The crowd pushes the police back before security forces intervene with tear gas. (Iran International) Andre Longmore, the suspected gunman in a mass shooting in Hampton, Georgia, United States, is shot and killed by police, ending a manhunt for him. (NBC News) Sports 2023 ATP Tour 2023 Wimbledon Championships In tennis, Carlos Alcaraz of Spain defeats Novak Djokovic of Serbia in the final to win the men's singles title at the 2023 Wimbledon Championships, becoming the first non-Big Four player to win the tournament since 2002. (USA Today) 2023 CONCACAF Gold Cup In association football, Mexico win their ninth CONCACAF Gold Cup title after defeating Panama 1–0 in the final at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, California, United States, with Santiago Giménez scoring the winner in the 88th minute. Panama's Adalberto Carrasquilla is awarded the tournament's Golden Ball. (AP)

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(New. Attention required.) RD: Christian Quadflieg

Article: Christian Quadflieg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Welt
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German actor on stage and, especially popular, on television. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Support I’ve done some general cleanup on the article and it appears sufficient now (AGF on german sources of course). Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 15:06, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. You have good eyes for my sloppiness ;) - I just wonder if we shouldn't keep stage actor first just for chronology - during his first years he wasn't on television - and for his preference - late in life, same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Good point! I’ve swapped so that stage is before television now. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 16:15, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: Sorry for being a serial pinger (just trying to contribute) but this is about to roll over in 6 hours and I want to be sure that an admin looks at it and considers it. Also worth checking the other unposted noms today (mainly Harry Frankfurt as it seems good enough now) Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 18:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Support This seems good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Angelo Mozilo

Article: Angelo Mozilo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2023/07/18/angelo-mozilo-countrywide-dead/
Credits:

• Nominated by Bremps (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Framawiki (talk · give credit) and 38.87.89.58 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Banker known for his role in the 2008 financial crisis Bremps... 04:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:43, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The Talk:Angelo Mozilo § Email incident is tagged as potential issue per WP:CSECTION. There's also a related talk section at Talk:Angelo Mozilo § Email incident.—Bagumba (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kevin Mitnick

Article: Kevin Mitnick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Verge
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Support I’ve fixed the remaining sourcing issues and article looks good to go now. Marking as ready. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Support. Famous (or infamous, depending on your POV) hacker in the 90s for hacking numerous companies and obtaining source code for various products. Urbanracer34 (talk) 02:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Any comments regarding article quality and readiness for use on MainPage, please? How famous the subject is is not really relevant for RD selection. --PFHLai (talk) 05:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Article is ready to be posted as is. Urbanracer34 (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• PFHLai I've fixed some of the sourcing issues the article previously had. Do you think the article's subject is up to par now? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 05:55, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you, Fakescientist8000, for fixing thing in this wikibio. I ran a few random spotchecks and fixed a few items, too. Things seem okay there. However, considering that the subject is famous for hacking, we probably should be more careful with the text on this. The ref for the paragraph "According to the U.S. Department of Justice, Mitnick gained unauthorized access...", with a footnote at the end of the paragraph, does not really discuss what the DoJ accused him of doing; instead, it was about his advice on the use of passwords. We need better sourcing for that paragraph, methinks. Also, I am not sure if news.italy24.press is WP:RS, so we may need replacement refs for his parents' names, etc. (Recent additions.) --PFHLai (talk) 01:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  @PFHLai I’ve added new sources to the mentioned paragraph and replaced italy24 with the newer NYT obituary. Can you take a look at the article again? Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 02:55, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Thank you, MonarchOfTerror. Your replacement refs look good. --PFHLai (talk) 13:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose There's one cn tag and one failed verification tag. Once they're fixed, this nom has my support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
• Conditional Support once article is cleaned up. Influential and well-known person, more so in tech/hacker culture. RIP Kevin. Despite it being a 90s movie, Track Down is worth a watch, even though it's inaccurate and dramatized. Also, the documentary Freedom Downtime is worth checking out as well. -- Kcmastrpc (talk)
• Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:51, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 13:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ricky Rivero

Article: Ricky Rivero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, PhilStar
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino actor/director. - Indefensible (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article basically a stub with very little about his career seen. Expansion on career section would do the article some good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose Needs a little expansion. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:24, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose 228 words is far too stubby and short for ITNRD standards. Expansion is needed for this to meet the bar for posting. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Still at 228 words, and time/eligibility is running out soon. --PFHLai (talk) 13:05, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Attention required.) RD: Harry Frankfurt

Article: Harry Frankfurt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, Wash Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American philosopher. Author of the best selling book On Bullshit. Thriley (talk) 19:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose No info on death in the article body. A sentence at least about his death would be good enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  I have made a personal life section which includes his death. Thriley (talk) 20:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Perfect! Looking at the article again, there's come CN tags in the career section that need to be address.--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Needs sourcing improvements, more specifically the 4 cn tags in the career section need to be resolved. Support Article looks good now. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose 4 CN tags in the career section need to be addressed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Two {cn} tags remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Support It has a lot of details & is fully referenced now. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Oleg Khorzhan

Article: Oleg Khorzhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Express, Yahoo
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
• Created by Yue (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PLATEL (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Murdered Transnistrian politician. Seems like an interesting case. - Indefensible (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:54, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support Notable person, article looks good. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  @Editor 5426387 Please do not use notability as a reason to !support or !oppose Recent death nominations. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is fine, not great but not bad either. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:35, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Birth date is uncited. Curbon7 (talk) 21:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• @Curbon7: Done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Article looks sufficient. (Assuming good faith on Russian sources.) Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 01:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

(Needs attention) Wimbledon 2023

Articles: 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles (talk · history · tag) and 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová and Carlos Alcaraz (players pictured) win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová (pictured left) wins the women's singles and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured right) wins the men's singles at the Wimbledon Championships.
News source(s): NYT - The Guardian - The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Μοναστηράκι (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2a00:23c6:db28:8e01:dcfa:b91f:f101:4e60 (talk · give credit), Micnl (talk · give credit), 2001:44c8:4083:e22a:6c7c:cdb6:a233:6ac2 (talk · give credit), Fyunck(click) (talk · give credit) and Rubyaxles (talk · give credit)

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: All three articles need improvements regarding quality (i.e, table walls [surprise]). — Knightoftheswords 18:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose DJOKOVIC IS THE GOAT!!! ALCARAZ COULD NEVER WIN FROM HIM!!!!

Just kidding, still opposing for now though due to page quality concerns. 🌶️Jalapeño🌶️ Don't click this link! 19:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

A very surprising result indeed haha PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural support although I fundamentally think sports shouldn’t be treated as ITN/R (and maybe should have their own section akin to RD), as long as current policy holds it meets minimum requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Re-iterating the opposes above. All 3 pages need a substantial amount of prose to augment the tables, including recaps of the final matches in both sides. Masem (t) 01:21, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose for the usual sports article problem, needs some good old prose. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 02:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Why do tennis pages consistently misuse the {{main}} hatnote at the tops of pages?—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - quality is very poor. I'm not sure why we are bold linking the tournaments, and not just the overarching article 2023 Wimbledon Championships? If that one had a bit of work and an event summary it might be ok. It's a bit crazy to only suggest that the men's and women's events are the only important parts. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically, it's been the men's and women's singles that get blurbed. Are they not the most notable events? The bolding of the singles, presumably, was because it's been the pages more likely to meet quality requirements. —Bagumba (talk) 08:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically is kinda irrelevant. The championships as a whole are in the news. Whilst the main events, as it were are the most important, they are hardly independently notable from the championships article.

  I suppose regardless, all three articles are of poor quality. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

  Historically is kinda irrelevant: Not when the current proposed blurbs still only highlight the men's and women's singles, as before.—Bagumba (talk) 05:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Support once improved. Players' articles look good. More prose is needed for the tournament pages. e.b. (talk) 23:23, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

See WP:POPULARPAGE/NOBODYREADSIT. The Kip (talk) 18:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Ranking The main interest for our readers seems to be the generational change in the mens event. Their ranking is: 1. Carlos Alcaraz 2. Novak Djokovic 4. Wimbledon Championships 7. List of Wimbledon gentlemen's singles champions 10. Rafael Nadal 11. Roger Federer 17. List of Grand Slam men's singles champions 20. Markéta Vondroušová 24. Andy Murray 30. Juan Carlos Ferrero 32. Goran Ivanišević 34. 2023 Wimbledon Championships 43. 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles 46. Ons Jabeur 47. Annabel Croft 50. Grand Slam (tennis) So, the 2023 articles don't seem to be getting much attention. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 17 July 2023 (UTC) Which is why we don't care about reader pageviews here. We're not trying to optimize SEO or the like here. Masem (t) 12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Articles still have quality issues that need to be addressed. The Kip (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - ITN/R, though article needs work. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - ITN/R, and to address Lee Vilenskis concern... how about a blurb without the two table farms of the men's and women's championships like: In tennis, Markéta Vondroušová (pictured left) wins the women's singles and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured right) wins the men's singles at the Wimbledon Championships.

Marketa is already a GA and Carlos Alcaraz is achievable rather soon in my opinion. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

??PrecariousWorlds I mean Marketa would likely pass a quality check by and if there are any concerns on Carlos Alcaraz or the Wimbledon Championships we can address them. On the table farm articles on the men's and women's singles... I don't believe we will find anyone who'd be willing to expand them, this includes their nominator. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle Definitely ITN/R and the articles for Marketa and Carlos are ready (save for a single cn-tagged paragraph in Carlos' article) but the Wimbledon target articles still need some prose work, although personally I would approve this because I honestly think the target articles could not be expanded further. Would not be surprised to see this go stale (or go to the archives) as the most recent Wimbledon edition to be posted to ITN was in 2015 (8 years ago; also note that the succeeding year's edition was pulled from ITN). Vida0007 (talk) 18:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready I've placed a citation needed tag in the 2023 Wimbledon Championships article. With regards to the 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles article, there are sections "Seeds" (no prose; unreferenced) and "Seeded players" (some prose; unreferenced) that appear to duplicate information. This does not look ready to me. Schwede66 19:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: Nahel Merzouk unrest

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Nahel Merzouk protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - France24 - WaPo - Fox - DW
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PopularGames (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TrueDarkDorito (talk · give credit), ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), SashiRolls (talk · give credit), Scanlan (talk · give credit) and Isi96 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The blurb has fallen off with the recent wave of postings, but is still ongoing and receiving mainstream coverage, with the article still receiving daily updates. — Knightoftheswords 18:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose — The protests aren't even on the front page of Le Monde or France24. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:15, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Nothing documented past July 10 on our article, and as I understand it, the protests no longer have the scale that the original posting merited. Masem (t) 18:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Luigi Bettazzi

Article: Luigi Bettazzi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.avvenire.it/amp/av/pagine/monsignor-luigi-bettazzi
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noel baran (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian prelate. Article looks to be nearly ready though may need some work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support - good enough to meet requirements in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - I don't see anything to throw up red flags. And being one of the few (the last of the 42, actually) Pact of the Catacombs signees and was also at the Second Vatican Council, which has set up the modern Church now (Whether or not its totally worked, up to you) for over sixty years. Arguably, the impact of the Catacombs is seen through the current Pope. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:50, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Two CN tags that I couldn't find sources for. Rest of the article appears fine. Curbon7 (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but the remaining CN tag should be fixed. What a beautiful career he had! _-_Alsor (talk) 09:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support I’ve resolved the last 2 cn tags, so the article should be of satisfactory quality now. Marking as ready. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 09:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support G2G. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:43, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Ongoing: 2023 heatwaves

Article: 2023 heat waves (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian - NBC - VOA - NYT - NYT (again)
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PalauanLibertarian (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Theodoreesquires (talk · give credit) and Chefallen (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Long time no see ITN! Glad to see that we aren't set to have severa; ITN items be on the main page for a month. Since April, we've continually had nominations regarding heatwaves, be it the three noms for Asia, the North American for June, or the recent Europe nom. An argument that often gets made is that the whole world is experiencing a heatwave, which spurred an idea amongst some: what if we nominated a general article encompassing the whole globe for ongoing? The subject article itself needs serious cleaning up, but I'll work on the article now that I'm done with exams. — Knightoftheswords 14:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

52.2°C in northwest China (125.96°F/126.0). Absolutely destroying the world record for 40.000000+° from the Equator (and China's record) by 1.5C (2.7F). If it was c. 2.137551° norther it would've destroyed Earth's record for closer to pole than equator by 2.6C/4.7F (Canada 2021). Turpan City population hundreds of thousands new record over 49C/120F @ c. 42.93°N. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:16, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Do you have a source for 52.2°C in China? I saw a few mentions on Twitter but I can't find any articles and the Chinese weather websites have 48.7°C as the maximum. I'm trying to find a RS. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Yale Climate Connections (the university not the door lock) should have an article on the extreme weather in hours, days at worst. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Washington Post had it for a few hours by now. [8] Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-logs-522-celsius-extreme-weather-rewrites-records-2023-07-17/ Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

This article would be good to cover the record temperatures ITNC from earlier this week as well. However, the article is far from being ready for posting. There absolutely needs to be a section on the metrological reasons for the heat wave and the connection to global warming issues that have been seen, and not just reporting of high temperatures in a proseline approach. --Masem (t) 14:19, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support in principle, oppose on quality Article still needs work depth wise and also generally improved writing. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 14:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Historic event. --Travisthecrab (talk) 14:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Just "heatwaves" in general is just way too broad for an ITN item. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle, oppose on quality so far per above. The article should have a broader overview, with more major temperature records. While posting the overarching global warming is debatable, I think the ongoing general consequences should appear one way or the other in ITN. Brandmeister^talk 17:17, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article need some improved writing, the heatwave does not seem significant enough for ITN, and the article seems too broad. Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support once ready As stated the article is a WIP, but in principle the matter is absolutely one that should be represented. It feels like every week new heat records are broken somewhere in the world, it's a subject that is absolutely dominating regional and international news cycles. Seems to fit ITN's purpose well enough. BSMRD (talk) 19:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support The European Space Agency (ESA) said the next week could bring the hottest temperatures ever recorded in Europe. Count Iblis (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  That would be amazing, the last European record break was less than 2 years ago (11 Aug 2021 48.8C Sicily). And I was wrong Italy won't be hottest today but days later. Death Valley and NW China are hot today, possibly not a record for Death Valley though (the forecast was 131 a few days ago!) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on significance I'll let those with more experienced minimum quality radar than me judge when that's reached. This seems to be an unusual time, something should be put up for it. Also Sardinia forecast for 117! Possible break of their record of 118.4. Googling "Rome weather" shows a few F above their record & Google's often low. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support - ...good idea. Seems to be no letup soon. Jusdafax (talk) 22:36, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Annual summer traditions, sponsored by climate change. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support This has to be the most serious wave of heat waves. I don't think we had faced these heatwaves this strong before. MarioJump83 (talk) 11:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  Fossil fumes very insulating now: 120F @ 1am California time=00:06:XX sundial time from only 127-129F daytime. 120's nearly 5°F above the previous midnight record for Earth! Japan only about 2.5F under its high temp record and Vegas 1F under. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support, Notable news. Alex-h (talk) 12:11, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs some major expansion; it is very light on useful information right now. --Jayron32 17:28, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Support - Welcome back Knight! Hope exams went well. I've actually had some myself recently

Anyways, there's a live page on the BBC covering it. Wildfires have broken out in Greece causing evacuations, World Meteorological Organisation believes the heatwave will continue until August. Making lots of coverage In The News, so I think it meets the bar for ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:40, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Canadian smoke's gonna last till fall or winter too, the news just doesn't care about the low pop density area the worst is confined to when winds are usual. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Not low enough, eh? InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

That is so sad. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

On the bright side, the smoke is once again affecting the more popular areas. Not bright for the people who live there, of course, gloomy as ever. But if it helps just one careless smoker or camper or pyromaniac wake up and avert turning dry windy conditions into disaster anywhere on Earth, it's a plus. Also, a smoking fire is easier for firefighters to approach than a blazing one. Anyway, Oppose. This article is going nowhere fast. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

First 45.3C in Catalonia! (1.6C record break). True, article still poor. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Rome broke its record by 2.1C! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

And the sheer number of vandals pouring through the gates has skyrocketed by 50%! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality per above. Obviously notable enough for ongoing at this point, but article is in weak shape. The Kip (talk) 18:31, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
• Strong support if the article can be maintained and brought up to par. Anarchyte (talk) 07:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Article largely 1-2 sentence updates within larger sections. Spencer^T•C 07:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Not good enough quality. Also, this is not the Olympic games and records are not that significant. Tradedia^talk 12:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  Greece having big fire problems, 30,000 Rhodesites evacuated, 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with pavements heated up to 180F/82C. 7 of them died, highest temp in Cayman history yesterday, Sardinia 117.9 on Wednesday and the Med and far East will try for records again next week. Phoenix did some amazing things with 24-hour lows. But article hasn't improved enough so moot no matter what. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Given this global issue is being attributed to four simultaneous heat domes [9] needs to be a focus of the article, in addition to climate change in general. The article is terribly focused on localized records and not the larger scale issue. --Masem (t) 22:47, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

    Indeed someone needs to add a lot more on societal impacts/meteorological and climatological background. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jane Birkin

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Jane Birkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Anglo-French singer and actress Jane Birkin (pictured) dies at age 76. (Post)
News source(s): Sky News The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2001:bb6:4e52:7d00:ac64:a20d:aab6:7877 (talk · give credit), RevAndroid (talk · give credit), Egghead06 (talk · give credit), Psychloppos (talk · give credit) and ‎Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English-French singer. Article is in good shape. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:15, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Article is nearly there but filmography and discography need citations. Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror^(talk) 12:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Support Talented actress, article looks in good shape, esp once remaining refs filled in. Am adding some references. --2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:AC64:A20D:AAB6:7877 (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• Blurb Per Macron and others, she was an icon that transcended generations. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  No, just no. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  Don't handwave assertions of such importance - they need to be in the article first and foremost before we can consider blurbs based on that. Masem (t) 17:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  I cited a good source which seems both reliable and respectable. The opposition just seems to be based on their personal opinion, which is otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:55, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  There needs to be significant coverage of this in our article. Otherwise, while you can point to a source, its handwaving to claim she is significant. Masem (t) 20:12, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

• No blurb Iconic in some ways yes, but her actual body of work is quite slim and certainly not transformative in any way. Black Kite (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• No blurb per Black Kite. Modest body of work and inspiring a handbag is not "transformative" or in any way meeting what should be stringent criteria for a blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• No blurb and commented it out from the template, even. Maybe premature, but even among those who support the posting of actors and entertainers as blurbs, you will not find a consensus for this. Getting an OBE isn't enough. In addition, it's an unfortunate distraction from what should be a straightforward RD nom since we get cluttered with the usual !votes of "never heard of them" and "not famous enough" which, even as I engage in the practice, at times I feel can be somewhat callous. Cheers, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb per Muboshgu. Labeling her as a fashion icon might be a bit overstated, as her influence primarily revolves around a single handbag (which bears her name and has since evolved into a status symbol, to be fair) rather than a more extensive and consistent impact on the industry. Mooonswimmer 19:37, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Discography needs some more refs per MonarchOfTerror, otherwise support RD. - Indefensible (talk) 20:35, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Another instance of an off the cuff addition not intended by the nominator. Sidney Poitier is the last veritable posting which was posted without much debate. That is the standard we have here as of now. Gotitbro (talk) 21:22, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Update - Article now fully sourced.2001:BB6:4E52:7D00:AC64:A20D:AAB6:7877 (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Marked RD ready, blurb discussion still under way. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 22:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Posting RD, as the discussion stands now, there is a consensus against the blurb. --Tone 22:45, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb An icon, but no. Again agree with WaltCip that some sense needs to be used before suggesting RD blurbs to avoid unnecessary putdowns. Kingsif (talk) 00:27, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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