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This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page.

Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination. Every approved hook will appear on the main page.

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How to list a new nomination

For a simplified version of these instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK.
For a step-by-step guide to filling out the {{NewDYKnom}} template, see Template:NewDYKnomination/guide.

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
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   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

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{{subst:NewDYKnom
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 | author       = User1
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• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
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	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 11

Kelly Cherry

• ... that Kelly Cherry, author of We Can Still Be Friends, was named the Poet Laureate of Virginia in 2010?

Created by Ijil RHG (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 19:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry; not yet. The prose section contains fewer than 1500 characters. The lists are not included in the count. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

• please explain what you mean? Ijil RHG (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• The article currently contains 1215 characters of prose. The minimum requirement for DYK is 1500 characters (see DYK rules). —Bruce1ee^talk 14:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• Also, the picture is missing a copyright tag. —Bruce1ee^talk 11:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

• these three photos were supplied by the person named in the article... can you help me to find the appropriate verification to click so the photos can remain with the article? thanks. Ijil RHG (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• There currently aren't any pictures in the article. The picture supplied with this nomination has since been deleted (see deletion log). —Bruce1ee^talk 14:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

[1] Very few footnotes in the Biography section. [2] If this is taken as a expansion nom, then the article is >2k characters too short. If this is taken as a creation nom, then the nomination is a week too late. --PFHLai (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Note also that Poet Laureate of Virginia contains links to solitary years like 2010. These should probably be delinked. Lightmouse (talk) 19:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Refs have poor formatting, they're just URL links, they need retrieve dates, publishers, dates of publication, etc.BarkingMoon (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Article not checked properly before nomination for basic MoS stuff, etc (per Lightmouse above) ... and the opening sentence of two successive paras was the same "Kelly was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, but moved to Ithaca, New York at age 5, and Chesterfield County, Virginia at age 9." (I've fixed it.) Dashes and other issues fixed, And No Title Case In Titles—c'mon guys.

The hook is just a bit on the dull side. Why not:

ALT1 ... that Kelly Cherry, author of We Can Still Be Friends, was named Poet Laureate of Virginia in 2010 after receiving more than 30 awards and fellowships?

150 ch. Tony (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 13

Nursing practice

• ... that nursing practice has two main levels and five stages of development?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hmm. The article is cleanly organized, but there are two issues. First of all, given that the sourcing comes from a college, a council, and a company of lawyers, the article is rather one-sided and focuses exclusively on the description of current practice, without acknowledging that there may well be a history to the topic. (This is not the same point as a certain lack of reliable sourcing.) Second, there currently is a merge proposal, and I don't think an article should be on the front page while there is no consensus on whether it can stand alone. This may change in a couple of days, as may the other problem I see. Right now, the article is not ready yet. Drmies (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

• Historical expansion being done with a few others. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Had expanded it further. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. But I still don't think we should move forward with this given the balance of discussion at Talk:Nursing#Merger_proposal. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Need admin-assisted decision to close the discussion so that eligibility of my article can be determined. Any admins from here please. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 15

John Lipsky

• ... that Iowan John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund 2.5 months before his expected retirement after Dominique Strauss-Kahn was indicted for sexual assault?

• Comment: Hope the Swahili rule (D9) will apply here.

Created by Trident13 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 16:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I think '2.5 months' is a bit odd. Can you say '2 months', '3 months' or express it in weeks? Looking at the linked articles I see that Iowa says "Monthly Normal High and Low Temperatures For Various Iowa Cities (°F)", "38 inches of rain" which should be sentence case and have conversions. It says "decimated Indian cultures", I'm not sure how you decimate a culture because 'decimate' means to reduce by 10%. It says "City Population Estimate" which should be sentence case. It says "52.7 people per square mile" and "3.1 billion gallons" which should have a conversion. Not sure if these comments are in scope for this process but they're offered in good faith. Feel free to ignore them. Lightmouse (talk) 19:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• This ALT should address all the concerns raised:
  ALT1:... that John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund less than 3 months before his expected retirement after Dominique Strauss-Kahn was indicted for sexual assault? OCNative (talk) 23:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse: no, don't "feel free to ignore them", dude! The hook: "3 months" is now less accurate; can't it be 10 weeks? This ref in the article suggests something snappier in the hook, perhaps ...? And the scandal is so well known, as is the IMF, surely we can declutter by using IMF as the link target. This is 184 ch.

ALT2:... that after Dominique Strauss-Kahn was indicted for sexual assault, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF just a week before he announced he would retire in August? Tony (talk) 12:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, we need to make an adjustment to ALT2 as the announcement was before the temporary promotion, not the other way around (plus it was three days):
ALT3:... that after Dominique Strauss-Kahn was indicted for sexual assault in May, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF just three days after he announced he would retire in August? OCNative (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

3 is clearly an essential update on 2. It's within the allowance at 194 ch., but it has to manage four zig-zaggin temporal points! (indictment in May, became AMD, announcement of retirement three days before, planned retirement in August). And is there a way to get around "after ... after"? And it is May now, so perhaps "in May" could be removed? This is hard. Ah, what about this, at 195 ch.?

ALT4:... that following Dominique Strauss-Kahn's indictment for sexual assault, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF only three days after he had announced he would retire in August?

or switching around the components:

ALT5:... that John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF only three days after he had announced he would retire in August, following Dominique Strauss-Kahn's indictment for sexual assault?

Both are still a bit winding; does 5 avoid ambiguity? If so, it seems easier than 4. Tony (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

My rationale on including "in May" was in case this hook ran in June. If it should run in May, then how about this 184-character one (it also solves the "he...he" problem in the other ALTs):
ALT6:... that just three days after announcing he would retire in August, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF upon Dominique Strauss-Kahn's indictment for sexual assault? OCNative (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Do we have to mention Strauss-Kahn in the hook? It seems a bit like a WP:NOTNEWS or WP:ATTACK issue as it's really beside the point. Further, he could be innocent and this continues the muddying up of his name. The interesting bit is that he said he was going to retire and then, CONGRATULATIONS, you're the new managing director...

Therefore, I'd suggest:

ALT7:... that just three days after announcing he would retire in August, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF?

-danjel (talk to me) 05:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

We extensively covered DSK's indictment on the front page already in the news section; I don't think we need to tiptoe around it here, and I think it's an important part of the hook. Khazar (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

tiptoe? DSK has already spent so much time on MainPage, I was hoping to not see his name there again. I think ALT7 is fine. How about "was promoted to become"? --PFHLai (talk) 09:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

While my first preference is ALT6 (I did write it after all), then ALT5, I would not object to ALT7. Might I suggest ALT8 to resolve Danjel's concerns while still including the context of the sudden promotion:
ALT8:... that just three days after announcing he would retire in August, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF when Dominique Strauss-Kahn resigned?
ALT9 resolves PFHLai's concern while still explaining the timing of the sudden promotion:
ALT9:... that just three days after announcing he would retire in August, John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the IMF on May 15, 2011?
(For the record, I do prefer ALT8 over ALT9). OCNative (talk) 11:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT8 seems like a good compromise to me; I think the context that this is connected to DSK is valuable and hook-y.Khazar (talk) 16:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Loud (Stan Walker song)

• ... that the music video for Stan Walker's song "Loud", which shows a party with loud music, was filmed in Los Angeles?

• Reviewed: Belgian Entertainment Association ([1])
• Comment: I realise that it's a bland hook, but it's all we have for now

Created by Adabow (talk), Ozurbanmusic (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The cited source is a TheHotHits.com "Celebrity News & Gossip" article, and (I think) not reliable. I've submitted a query at WP:RSN. In the meantime, a press release from the artist, the label, or the video production company, would be a better source. --Lexein (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I have replaced the filiming location with Stuff.co.nz a reliable news website, but THH seemed to be the first place to have shown the video. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• I added a citation of the artist's website - a primary source, and now consider it double-sourced.
  Looks ok to me, but I now defer to another editor to assess this item. --Lexein (talk) 08:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• The Hot Hits is a radio program, I'm sure its website is reliable? They just happen to have the latest celebrity news, as many other radio websites would. The video was released exclusively to their website, as mentioned on Stan's official website. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Refah tragedy

• ... that in the early stage of World War II, neutral country Turkey's steamer Refah was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in eastern Mediterranean Sea killing 170 of 202 people aboard?

5x expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 08:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Sebastian Kamwanga[2]
• Length, date and image all ok and turkish language refs accepted in good faith. However, the hook fact (the part about the casualty numbers) does not have an inline cite. More importantly, both the hook and article must have a copyedit by an English speaker before this can go on the front page. SpinningSpark 20:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that in the early stage of the World War II, neutral country Turkey's steamer Refah was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in eastern Mediterranean Sea killing 168 of the 200 people aboard? CeeGee (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Just corrected the article sofar and modified the hook. Hope someone of native English speaking will copyedit the article. Cheers.CeeGee (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the grammar. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be more usual to say "In the early stages" (with an "s") unless you are talking about a clearly defined "early stage" which in this context, you aren't. I suggest the hook is altered. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2... that in the early stages of World War II the steamer Refah from neutral Turkey was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in the eastern Mediterranean killing 168 of the 200 people aboard? SpinningSpark 00:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The article Refah tragedy says "8.5 knots", "10 miles". These need conversions. Hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done CeeGee (talk) 10:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I've done some work on it myself. Lightmouse (talk) 17:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS)

• ... that the International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS) is involved in analysis of sub-regional multilateralism in the four maritime basins of the Baltic, Black, Caspian and Mediterranean Seas?

Created by MikeBeckett (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Doesn't appear to contain any third-party sources attesting notability. It's possible that it's notable enough to have an article, for which reason I'm refraining from nominating it for AfD, but it cannot appear on the Main Page in its current state. It also really needs cleanup. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Will you take a second look? User:MikeBeckett -> User talk:MikeBeckett Please say 'Hi' 17:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I'm so late getting back to this, but I don't see that you've added any sources attesting notability, so it's just as well. To show notability, you've got to include third-party sources (ie. not the website of the NGO or its affiliates, or publications by it or its staff). Try Google Books or Google News. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 16

Free Press (organization)

• ... that with its membership of more than 500,000 activists, Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States?

Created by WilsonComm (talk), Mediaphyte (talk), Banksbr2 (talk), Mcclel71 (talk), and Jaobar (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

•   Free Press (organization) – WilsonComm (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Mediaphyte (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Banksbr2 (give) (tag) – View nom subpage
•   Free Press (organization) – Mcclel71 (give) (tag) – View nom subpage

• It is not 5x expanded. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Oh yes it is! Our class began working on this article in April 2011, when it was barely 2,000 bytes. It is now over 20,000! That's 10 times expanded in one month. Can we get some reviews please!?! Jaobar (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Leszek is right, the article hasn't been 5x expanded in the last five days so it isn't eligible. BigDom 20:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Some get angry and revert when newbies "dump" large amounts of information from their sandboxes into a stub, and now our students are out of the running for DYK because they took their time. What a system. Jaobar (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with the professor, Jaobar. I've never seriously invoked WP:IAR before, but I think it's appropriate to do so in this case. I have no connection with this article or with any of the people who've worked on it, btw. Is anyone else also willing to IAR? I won't mark it "good to go", since that could be viewed as unilateral and provocative, but if one or two other uninvolved editors agree, I'd say we could reasonably mark it so. Additional comment, please?  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

C'mon, let's welcome some newcomers. We can always bite 'em later.  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

But DYK isn't really about expanded articles; the template even says "from Wikipedia's newest articles". You've still improved the encyclopaedia and surely that is more important than saying you've had a DYK? BigDom 16:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I've not been involved with this article or its creators in any way; I don't even know any of them. I just think it has to be pretty discouraging to a class of college students who'd like to see their work get some attention when they find they missed out because their prof didn't quite know all the rules. It seems to me like a pretty small courtesy to extend to a group of newcomers, so as not to make their experience with Wikipedia a disappointing one. And besides, we really can bite 'em later. If we discourage them now, we'll probably lose them, and thus lose that future opportunity. ;-) Seriously, can we please give these kids this small break?  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

"give these kids this small break?" I don't mind, but the prof did not even credit his kids by listing them as contributors in the DYK nomination. We don't know the exact start date of the expansion. Its hard to assume everyone listed in the edit history is his students and give them all {DYKmake}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, PFHLai, that's kind. I presume his not having done so is just the result of inexperience due to his only having begun participating on Wikipedia in mid January. Those who are very familiar with this process probably don't recognize how very complex it must seem to new users; I've been on WP for quite a while, and I didn't know, myself, that more than one person could be credited for a DYK. Would anyone mind if I asked him and/or his class' mentor back here to clarify?  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind, and I don't see a clear reason to not IAR here. To answer BigDom above, one of the principal motivations mentioned in the ambassador program was the opportunity for an article written by themselves to go live on the main page to be viewed by thousands of readers. That's why it is such a big deal. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Ed. I do think this is just the kind of situation IAR was put in place for. Based on your having no objection, and on no one else having objected, I did go ahead and re-invite the professor to this thread, and also (in part because I see he's not been online since commenting above) two of the "campus ambassadors" that I see from his talk page have had involvement with his class. I'm not sure of either one of their roles, but perhaps they can clarify for us which of the contributors to the article deserve credit, should an IAR-based approval be allowed by consensus in this case. Thanks again,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I would also say this is a case for IAR, for what it's worth. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Ohio. Let me know if there is any other way I can help. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 23:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I really appreciate this discussion, and want to thank those that have called for the IAR move. I can tell you that MSU's involvement in the USPPI this spring semester has already received a lot of attention from the College of Communications as well as the campus newspaper. We have just put out a press release that will hopefully get our team some much deserved recognition. Our 5 DYKs are prominently displayed in the press release, and those students that have been recognized have a lot to be proud of. With this in mind, I would fully support the IAR move, I know that this form of positive feedback will only serve to motivate our students, and will hopefully provide an additional incentive to become Wikipedians. Oh, and I didn't mention the students involved because I didn't realize that I was supposed to. I too am a newbie. The hundreds of articles that our students contributed to can be viewed on our course page. Those involved with the Free Press (organization) article are noted there as well. I'll note their names here for those without the time to check the page: WilsonComm, Mediaphyte, Banksbr2, and Mcclel71. Thanks again! Jaobar (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. We now have four independent users (myself among them) who are willing to WP:IAR in this case, to let this nom go forward, but we still need to make sure the right contributors get credit. I've asked user Neelix, the relevant "mentor" for the group that worked on this article, to accomplish that, since I don't know how to do it myself. Once that's done, I think it'd be fair to say we have consensus here to proceed. Thanks, all.  – OhioStandard (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I think this is the first time I've ever supported an IAR motion, but if there was ever a good reason, this is it. I have given the appropriate credit above, but I cannot mark this nomination as "good to go" because I have been involved in developing the article; an editor who has not edited the article has to be the one to make the official call. Neelix (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

In reviewing the hook above, I do not see justification for employing the words "and most prominent." While the article claims that the organization is the most prominent, the source quoted does not make that claim. Prominence is subjective anyway; it is enough of a hook to state that Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States. Neelix (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I will change the language right now. Jaobar (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Article is tagged as being written like an advertisement. Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Yoninah. OCNative introduced the tag without commenting here, or on the article's talk page, to identify any specific, actionable concern. I've asked him, at article talk, to do so. I've also brought up a few other minor issues there that I'd like to see addressed, myself, before this proceeds.  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

(I am one of the Ambassadors contacted) I agree that this should move forward using IAR after the concerns on the talk page are met. I would ignore the drive-by-tagging if no explanation for the tag is given in the next few days. I will see what I can do to help sort out this article --Guerillero | My Talk 19:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Though I thought the ad tone was self-evident, I guess I was mistaken, as others do not see it, so I have provided the requested explanation for the tag at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Advert tag. OCNative (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick note of thanks to OCNative for pointing out the specific problems he's now very helpfully identified on talk. Based on his having done so, I think the participants should be able to both improve the article considerably and also deal with the issues he rightly identifies, to at least a "good enough to go forward" level, in fairly short order.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 17

Ramone Moore

• ... that Temple basketball player Ramone Moore was suspended in his freshman year for failing to meet school eligibility rules?

• Reviewed: Daily Times of Nigeria

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Only 2x expansion within last 5 days.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: move to mainspace date. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 00:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• New article, created in user space on May 9 and moved to article space on May 17. Other criteria such as size and hook ref also check out. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
• Is this hook not too negative per H6? —Bruce1ee^talk 08:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I think it is too negative. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I disagree. It doesn't say he was suspended for any wrongdoing, but merely because he failed to meet eligibility requirements. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• The table says "Height 6′4″ Weight (lb) 185". Feet should be abbreviated as 'ft' and inches as 'in'. There should be conversions. It says "Overall Recruiting Rankings" which should be in sentence case. Not sure if a review of the article is wanted here but it's offered in good faith. Lightmouse (talk) 19:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• The table is generated by a set of templates: {{College athlete recruit start}}, {{College athlete recruit entry}}, and {{College athlete recruit end}}. You should suggest the changes on the template talk page(s). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I've started a thread at WikiProject football. Lightmouse (talk) 17:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• If he was suspended for failing to meet eligibility requirements, that implies that he probably got poor grades in one or more classes. DYKs are not supposed to focus on negative aspects of a living person. If the main thing that a DYK says (or implies) about a person is that he had poor grades in school at one point, that's focusing on a negative aspect about him. In any event, failing to meet (otherwise unspecified) eligibility requirements doesn't sound like a positive, or even a neutral, aspect of his life. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• I guess I was thinking about all of the athletes who have committed murder, rape, assault, and various other felonies; failing to meet school eligibility rules seemed pretty mild in comparison. As you point out, the article does not mention the specific eligibility problem; neither does the source. In any case, I have left the author a note suggesting that an alternate hook be supplied. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:33, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• In such a short context (we can't assume the reader will click off the main page), the negativity is a bit damaging, don't you think? I'd be upset if I were the subject. On the table template, if it fails to subsitute clunk with neat abbreviations, that's a good reason to do it all manually and tell the template talk page you're doing so. Tony (talk) 16:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Slightly more boring, but potentially less offensive:

• ... that Temple basketball player Ramone Moore improved his three point percentage from 12.5 percent as a sophomore to 38.3 percent as a junior?

~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 18

Zygmunt Wojciechowski

• ... that Polish historian Zygmunt Wojciechowski headed the Polish Underground State's Science Section and took part in the underground education system during World War II?

5x expanded by User:MyMoloboaccount and User:HerkusMonte. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1:... that Polish historian Zygmunt Wojciechowski, who headed the Polish Underground State's Science Section, initially admired Hitler's anti-Jewish policy as a good example for Poland?

would be a more catchy hook. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure about it. Let's keep POV-pushing out of the hook and go for a more neutral one. I think that his WWII activities are quite interesting, less controversial and less susceptible to POV pushing. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 06:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

That a Polish scholar was active in the Polish underground in WW II is not surprising and not at all catchy. On the other hand "Hitler sells" and I'm sure the article will receive much more attention with the ALT hook. The hook is sourced with an easily accessible online english-language ref and the fact is not disputed. I don't see a POV problem except if WP:IDONTLIKEIT would be considered a sufficient reason. HerkusMonte (talk) 09:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hitlers sells, but we are an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Picking the most controversial aspect of a scholar to feature, when one is also trying to discredit this scholar in other discussions, is a bit too close for POV-pushing here. Again, I believe we should go with a neutral hook, I think it is interesting enough. Not too mention that the hook you would propose is a misrepresentation (see Molobo's comment below). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

A hook should be "short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article". That’s what we should discuss, without assuming bad faith and making speculative accusations (“..also trying to discredit this scholar in other discussions ...” What? Who? Where?). ALT1 is almost verbatim from the source and not a "misrepresentation". HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Oppose Herkus version and support Piotrus-this seems to be POV pushing to portray(wrongly) Wojciechowski as supporter of Hitler. In reality he made his comments in 1935 and clearly stated that he believed that as Austrian Catholic Hitler would break with Prussian antipolonism-he later criticised Hitler and didn't support him, in addition to condemning murder of Jews by Germany as monstrous--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

“Initially” clearly indicates that his view changed later on. BTW, the "Anschluss" of Austria and the Munich Agreement happened in 1938, his admiration lastet at least til autumn 1938 (not 1935). Actually whitewashing and downplaying is some kind of POV too. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Grammatical quibble: whichever hook is picked, it should be "the Polish Underground State's Science Section". — Kpalion^(talk) 20:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I have added a "the". HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh please, ALT1 by Herkus is an obviously POV, battleground-y hook, particularly since the subject of the article soon changed his mind. A hook shouldn't be about the most negative thing that could be dug up on a person, whether dead or alive, simply because one doesn't like the historical research he later produced.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Kenkoy

• ... that Kenkoy was a Philippine comics character described by the UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino as a funny and amusing personality created in 1929?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: The Dog Pillow - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

References need filling out properly and could use some more reliable sources. The hook doesn't seem worthy to me, maybe reword it to refer to the true meaning of the word.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that Kenkoy was a Philippine comics character whose name became synonymous to the words joker, jester, or a hilarious person? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 2: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded both as the father of Tagalog comics and the Philippine comics industry? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 3: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded as the father of Tagalog-language comics? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 4: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded as the founding father of the Philippine comics industry? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT1.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:26, 20 May 2011 (UTC) ?

Returned from preps per referencing problems expressed here. Materialscientist (talk) 01:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Dr Blofeld. ALTS 2–4 problem: too much stuffed in. I'd avoid the Tony Velasquez bit. Concentrate on the cartoon character. Synonymous with. Tony (talk) 16:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

List of human diseases associated with infectious pathogens

• ... that diseases such as obesity, Alzheimer's, and cancer have been associated with infectious pathogens (Toxoplasma gandii pictured)?

Created by Drgao (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 12:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Initial review looks good. I think you are supposed to have the picture (Toxoplasma gandii) in the article as well as with the DYK, especially to show that it has appropriate rights associated with it.Parkwells (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Formicium (diff) - Crisco 1492

Fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Article has been deleted. Schwede66 18:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

It's been restored, but with an AfD. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Kept as no consensus, may be merged. Any ideas? Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 19

1994-95 South Pacific cyclone season

• ... that the 1994–95 South Pacific cyclone season was one of the quietest cyclone seasons on record, with only 3 tropical cyclones recorded within the South Pacific Ocean basin?

Created by User:Jason Rees (talk). Self nom at 13:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed this one.

• New article, great length, but your hook seems incorrect, as per your refs [1] and [2] in the article there were four, not three, in that season (listed as Vania, William, Violet, Agnes). Please reconcile. AshLin (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• According to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology Cyclone Agnes never moved into the South Pacific Basin, which is defined as 160E -120W per the WMO. The references seem to show TC's within the region 140E-120W.Jason Rees (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• While I don't quite understand the exact details, the ref you have now given specifically states that Agnes "was the last cyclone to form in the South Pacific region in the 1994-95 season". Since this is in direct contradiction to what you claim, please clarify once again. AshLin (talk) 14:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Its not in direct contradiction to what i claim as South Pacific region could be defined as anywhere within the South Pacific Ocean, where as the South Pacific Basin is to the west of 160E. TC Agnes occurred near 147E as illustrated by the map in at the bottom of the report i linked to above.Jason Rees (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Jason, part of the problem remains the ambiguous definition of South Pacific in the context of your article. There is no hyperlinking of "South Pacific" or "South Pacific basin" in the lead, nor a section which makes it clear in the ensuing text. I recommend you define the limits in the article and give the alternative definitions and mention the one being used in the article. One of the things a person who is interested by your proposed hook will do will be to look up what constitutes the South Pacific. Also since your refs mention four whereas you take only 3 into account, please provide footnotes (as opposed to citations, explaining why only 3 cyclones are considered and not 4 as you explained above). The same type of clarification of what constitutes the South Pacific is required for the "List of of South Pacific cyclone seasons" as well as more complete inline referencing. AshLin (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I think it would be useful to increase the ratio between links that add value and links that are mundane. For example, I think links to 160°E (linked twice), 120°W, 180°E (linked twice), km/h (linked 5 times), mph (linked 5 times) probably just add noise. The 'Seasonal summary' table is a little hard to read: the contrast is poor and the characters are poorly formed. I hope it can be improved. Lightmouse (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• AshLin - unless i am very much mistaken, the opening line before clarified where the South Pacific basin lay, but just so its even more clearer ive added some words. Improving the SPAC seasons article though at minute is not at the top of my priority list as i am trying to do some research into some of the other South Pacific Cyclone seasons. Lightmouse: i dont know if i can do anything about the links to mph and km/h as they are in the infoboxes and are linked up when it converts to mph & km/h. Also i dont think links to 180E or 120W etc are "mundane and just add noise" especially as not everyone in this world, knows where 180 lies or whatever. Also please could you expand on what you meant about the seasonal summary table being hard to read as i dont get what you mean as i dont have much image experience though i do know that the colours are meant to be based on the SSHS and there was a massive argument within the project about them before i arrived.Jason Rees (talk) 00:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Links to meridians. You've made a welcome reduction in the overlinking. Thanks for that.
• Links to mph, km/h. It's not your fault, leave it with us.
• Seasonal summary box. I don't know how to explain why it looks poor. I looked at the code and it's not good. It's not your fault, leave it with us. Lightmouse (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please improve the linking regarding the definition in the lead. Please wikilink "South Pacific Ocean" and convert "basin" to a piped redirect of "Tropical cyclone basins#South Pacific". While the DYK forum appears not to be puritanical about MOS issues, it is a good thing to follow WP:LEAD and WP:LINKS especially after they have been pointed out by reviewers. There is also an error message in your infobox stating ' Expression error: Unrecognised word "unknown" ' that needs to be addressed. AshLin (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Ive linked both and sorted the infobox, though i do wonder if South Pacific Ocean does breach WP:Links.Jason Rees (talk) 01:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go from my side. You may take the go ahead from User:Lightmouse once his issues are dealt with. Will give this hook the green signal after that if User:Lightmouse doesn't do it himself. AshLin (talk) 02:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook interest factor only just passes, IMO. Tony (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 British super-injunction controversy

• ... that as a result of the 2011 British super-injunction controversy, Ryan Giggs (pictured) is attempting to take legal action against Twitter?

Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• My understanding is that the footballer is not taking legal action against twitter, he or she is just trying to get them to disclose the name of the user who posted his or hers name on Twitter per this BBC News article.Jason Rees (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The legal firm representing him have applied for a search order to compel Twitter to give the details of the user who released the details, which I believe would be defined as legal action against Twitter, admittedly in a rather unexiting manner! Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 08:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Dhondup Wangchen

Hal Santiago

• ... that Filipino comics illustrator Harold "Hal" Santiago took his pen name from his American idol Hal Foster, the creator of Prince Valiant?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, newness, and length check out. However, the ref appears to be linked to a blog off of WordPress. Can a new ref be found? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 02:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
• I reviewed the article: National Service Secretariat (Ghana) - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• Supplied the main offline ref details. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• The bulk of the article is based on 2 blog references. I supplied a list of other, reliable sources that may be used to build it up a little. More information about him can probably be found in Filipino-language publications. Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Smålandsstövare

• ... that only around sixty Smålandsstövare (pictured) puppies a year are registered in its native Sweden?

• Reviewed: Cry Macho

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, hook, and newness check out. The reference, however, does not seem to necessarily be published by a reputable third party source. Can it be replaced? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
• The site "Sarah's Dogs" has been identified as a reliable source in several dog breed related good articles. In fact it's one of the few websites along those lines that I trust. It does not accept user submitted information. Miyagawa (talk) 08:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thought I'd add an additional reference directly from the Swedish Kennel Club in order to make approving this hook easier for a reviewer and found that the figure of a hundred was out of date anyway. Updated the article with the new number of 60, with a citation from the club.Miyagawa (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• The inch values in the infobox need conversions. Hope that helps. Lightmouse (talk) 20:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks, done. Miyagawa (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. The "Fédération Cynologique Internationale" says "Males 46-54 cm, ideal 50 cm. Females 42-52 cm, ideal 46 cm". I didn't see what the United Kennel Club says. Would those be good figures to use? Lightmouse (talk) 18:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Focus of interest in the hook is a problem, IMO. Only 60? The reader is given no reference point. Six a year, and yeah, that would be notable, but 60 could be a lot; and are there another 300 a year elsewhere in northern Europe? Could you add just a little more info to make it more punchy, interesting? Tony (talk) 16:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I can accept the ref source, but the article says it's the oldest scent hound in Sweden but the ref says the oldest, period, native to Sweden; and been there since the 1500s. I think a hook could be made of this.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I appreciate the context problem, so I'll go with what BarkingMoon has suggested and give a couple of possible alts along those lines. ALT1: ... that the Smålandsstövare (pictured) originates from dogs brought home by soldiers in the 16th century wars of the Swedish Empire? ALT2: ... that the Smålandsstövare (pictured) originates from the wars of the Swedish Empire? ALT3: ... that the Smålandsstövare (pictured) originates from the 16th century wars of the Swedish Empire? Miyagawa (talk) 12:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20

Issaquah (steam ferry)

• ... that when the steam ferry Issaquah was first launched in Lake Washington in 1914, it got stuck in mud?

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 04:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the steam ferry Issaquah, completed in 1914, was one of the first ferries in the Puget Sound region to be built to carry cars? --Orlady (talk) 04:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Alfred Byrd Graf

• ... that botanist Alfred Byrd Graf's richly illustrated books included some of the more than 100 plant species he had discovered on his worldwide journeys, including the first known white African Violet??

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 22:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Association Residence Nursing Home

• Hook checks out, everything is sourced, length is good, etc. Only thing not quite ready is his review of another DYK hook. Jrcla2 (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• An article has been reviewed and is listed above. I'm not sure that I'm back at DYK, but it was sure nice to visit for a change and see that the DYK world is still working well. Alansohn (talk) 17:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ready. Jrcla2 (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Neil Haddock and Robert Dickie and Floyd Havard

• ... that three Welsh boxers have won the British super-featherweight title, Neil Haddock, Robert Dickie and Floyd Havard?

5x expanded Robert Dickie by FruitMonkey (talk), New Articles Floyd Harvard and Neil Haddock FruitMonkey (talk) 23:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Shamrock Warriors RFC
• Reviewed: Cranmer Centre
• Reviewed: Christian Council of Ghana

Kbal Spean

• ... that under the supervision of archaeologists, the graduates of Cambodia's Artisans d'Angkor have been able to reproduce some portions of Kbal Spean's (pictured) missing bas-relief carvings?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Juan Acevedo Pavez

• 5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the fast review. I could add an img of the river stretch with carvings this morning now. if you can accept it.--Nvvchar. 00:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Image is fine. Yoninah (talk) 09:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Will June

• ... that Will June, grandfather of a National Football League Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion linebacker, set a United States Bowling Congress record as the oldest player to bowl consecutive 300-games?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: Walter Kuhn--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't see the need for the middle part ("grandfather ... linebacker"). It distracts from the main subject of the hook. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

That is the part that will get the clickthroughs. Without that part, he is not even notable enough to have a WP article. He would just be a non-notable person who is the subject of a one-time event. Without that no one will even click through and it will have less than 1000 clickthroughs. NFL fans will want to find out who is his grandson and clickthrough with the proposed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

...then why is he notable? I mean, have you seen WP:ONEEVENT or WP:NOTINHERITED...? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 22:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The combination of modest event notability and inherited notability. He would not inherit notability as a grandfather without the bowling and the bowling would be a ONEEVENT issue if he did not have notable family. The combination makes him notable. If you want, we can suspend this and go to AFD, but I think it would pass despite modest WP:GNG. I do not think he would truly pass notability independently, but I do believe that being a grandfather makes him slightly more notable in a way that makes him passable. I think this particular grandfather relation makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see ONEEVENT) more notable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

American Motor League

• ... that the American Motor League (membership card pictured) was the first automobile organization formed in the United States?

• I Reviewed HMS Princess Irene.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length are good, AGF for offline ref. I think the (membership card pictured) should go directly after the name of the DYK article in this case? - Basement12 (T.C) 17:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Moved (membership card pictured) to directly after the name of the DYK article. Looks good!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Hôtel Ritz Paris

• ... that Edward VII reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub with his lover Wallis at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured) which led to them being enlarged?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• Am I the only one to read this as suggesting the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were enlarged? Ucucha 21:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

No; recommend s/led to them/led to the tubs/ Dualus (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 "... that Edward VII and his lover Wallis reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured), which led to the tubs being enlarged?"

Like this? Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm rejecting both the original hook and ALT because Wallis was most certainly not Edward the Seventh's lover, considering she was 13 years old when Edward the Seventh died. Wallis was Edward the Eighth's lover, as it was Edward the Eighth who abdicated the throne for her and became Duke of Windsor. As the cited source (and all other sources I found via Google) does indeed say it was Edward the Seventh and his lover (without naming her), I have removed Wallis Simpson from the article and will suggest this ALT:
ALT2:... that Edward VII and his lover reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured), which led to the tubs being enlarged? OCNative (talk) 02:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University

• ... that Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University is the world's largest, and Saudi Arabia's first, all-women university?

Created by Dualus (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• good to go. unless listed in ITN (which I can't see) Dang! Was looking at it on an old/small screen with "page size" not enabled on an old version of IE...apologies... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

It is timely, with the new campus opening less than a week ago, but I didn't think that was as newsworthy as that it's now the largest women's university. That fact seems to work better as a DYK. Dualus (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Prose is almost 500 characters too short to qualify. Please type in more. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 07:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Council of Ministers of West Bengal, Sabitri Mitra

• ... that apart from Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, Sabitri Mitra is the only other woman in the 38-member strong Cabinet of West Bengal?

Created by GaneshBhakt (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• [1] How can you say "the only other woman in the 43-member strong..." when your list has quite a few "TBC" slots? Any of these slots may end up being filled by women. [2] If the hook is to emphasize on Sabitri Mitra, then please have a bit more on her in her wikibio before this hook hits the MainPage. (Hint: Make this a double-DYK hook!) [3] Your refs need to be properly formatted and not include bare URLs. [4] Yahoo news is often unstable and the URL may expire soon. Please find the original news source, if you can. (Google news may help.) --PFHLai (talk) 02:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• @PFHLai:
  Issue [1]: Done
  Issue [2]: Done
  Issue [3]: Done
  Issue [4]: Done
  GaneshBhakt (talk) 14:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

 Fixed GaneshBhakt (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I've emboldened the link to the "Sabitri Mitra" article to make the hook a double-DYK. It's new enough and long enough but needs better ref formatting. The problem I have with the hook is that I can't find where it says Sabitri Mitra and Mamata Banerjee are the only females in the cabinet. It would help if the table has a column indicating if the person is male or female, but I don't know how to reference this info. Are the people's name supposed to convey such info? I don't know the language. BTW, the paragraphs immediately above the big table have no footnotes. And how many categories of ministers are there? 2 or 3? And, if the entire "Education" column is "TBC", we might as well leave it out. --PFHLai (talk) 08:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 21

Lysimachia asperulifolia

• ... that the endangered rough-leaved loosestrife (pictured) of the Carolinas is threatened by the U.S. military?

• Comment: Sorry about being 8 hours late. I overslept.... --PFHLai (talk) 08:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 08:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

. Well written and laid out, nice clear hook and ref for it GainLine ♠ _♥ 12:55, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

George W. Gregory

• ... that Stanford University's president wrote in 1907 that the career of Michigan center George W. Gregory (pictured) illustrated "the evils of football"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Fruta Fresca here. Cbl62 (talk) 01:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Online sources confirm facts. Photo is public domain. Date and length okay. Article is well referenced. Good to go! Binksternet (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Benjamin Vulliamy

fancy porcelain figues arranged in a group around a clock

• ... that Benjamin Vulliamy, who designed the clock that defined time at the Prime Meridian, also designed clocks with porcelain cases (example pictured)?

• Comment: Trying to sort out copyright permission for pic

Created/expanded by Al Lemos (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 08:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook refs verified. I preceded "pictured" with "example". —Bruce1ee^talk 09:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: The image for this hook is currently pending OTRS approval and is ineligible for use by DYK until the approval process is completed. --Allen3 ^talk 10:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Association Residence Nursing Home

• ... that the comforts of the Association Residence Nursing Home, now the largest youth hostel in North America, have caused many people to wish they were old women?

Created by Smallbones (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I hope the straight text doesn't sound too promotional, nor the double entendre too nasty. Smallbones (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed - Seated Liberty dollar

• Verified and ready to go, including the addition of a source directly supporting the quote re wanting to be old women from the original 1883 article. Alansohn (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce

• ... that the skeleton of the last Bosnian king, Stephen Tomašević of Bosnia, currently lies in the Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce?

Created by TheSilverArrow (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Maybe because length is at 1,497 characters no spaces/1,791 characters with spaces. Hook seems fine. Since the refs are not in English, I need someone to reconfirm the ref. But I found the name Stjepana Tomaševića from Reference No. 4. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Well, I added some stuff to the article and now it has more than 1,500 without spaces, added a reference in English (Reference No. 5.). TheSilverArrow 13:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Query, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Filipino seamen

• ... that in 2010, Efthimios Mitropoulos, the secretary-general of the International Maritime Organization described Filipino seamen as the unsung heroes of an unsung industry?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Not reviewing, but I think this may need semiprotection if accepted. If not, this may end up being one of the most vandalized hook articles ever... Seamen ---> Semen Not to be spreading beans or anything. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook checks out. I would suggest shortening the hook to ... that Filipino Seamen have been described as the unsung heroes of an unsung industry? - Yk³ talk · contrib 05:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• Crisco: Let's not jump the gun. - Yk³ talk · contrib 05:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't planning on jumping the gun... just worried. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It was a joke related to your concerns. - Yk³ talk · contrib 06:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah... to be honest I suspected you were making a double entendre (italics cued me in), but I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Could you let me know on my talk page? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Can this be a double-nom? Bolded the biog topic above (Mitropoulos) to that effect. If not see suggested hook at Template talk:Did you know#Efthimios Mitropoulos (created on May 22, 2011). - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: The Firm (U.S. TV series) - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Could use some photographs!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Can't find any suitable images from commons. Anyone who can assist? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It says "TABLE 1: Deployment/Assignment of Filipino Seamen" which should be sentence case. Same for all table titles. Lightmouse (talk) 20:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyedited to form sentence case. Is that how you wanted the tables to be? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's it. You missed one but I did it. Thanks. Lightmouse (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sierra Leone Grammar School

• ... that Sierra Leone Grammar School started teaching Greek in 1845?

• Reviewed: Kalamata (olive)

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and hook all check out okay. Nice article, have added some wikiprojects to the discussion page. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 02:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

At least in UK English, a school does not teach a subject: teachers teach a subject, or a subject is taught, at a school. that Greek was taught at Sierra Leone Grammar School from 1845? or, if we know that it is still on the curriculum, that Greek has been taught at Sierra Leone Grammar School since 1845? Kevin McE (talk) 17:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The Firm (U.S. TV series)

• ... that the upcoming 22-episode television series The Firm, a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, is the largest of any order for NBC's 2011–12 programs?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: London Ferrill --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

* - Could be but I can't find in the ref any that would connect to the phrase "the largest of any" from the hook. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ref says "larger order than any of the newly picked-up shows". What is the issue?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ooops missed that. Seems ok now. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length at 1,340 characters no spaces/1,604 characters with spaces. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Since spaces count, that is passing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

There are many red links in the article. Are these needed? Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I have eliminated all the ones that I am not certain will be created when the show starts.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Largest what? I have never heard a TV series described as "large" (or, conversely, "small"). Kevin McE (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It says the "largest of any order" in the hook, so it is referring to the size of the order. OCNative (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Similarly, I have never heard anyone talking about a TV series as having a large order. What does this mean? Is it the number of episodes in the series that is remarkable? Very unclear. Kevin McE (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

US TV networks don't produce most of their own content; they buy it from studios. For most new series, the network will buy a limited number of episodes (13 is common) and assess the show's potential after the first few shows air. Since NBC ordered 22 episodes of a series which has no track record (and only that series), it indicates that the network thinks that it is their strongest new series. The studio is happy because they get paid for every episode, even if they don't ever air. Horologium (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, but that even after such an explanation has been made, there is still no obvious word that is implied, but semantically optional, after largest is evidence that the hook is unclear. If programmes are sourced from numerous studios, then each order is presumably a separate purchase contract. If I understand your claim, it is that 22 is the greatest number of episodes ever purchased as one series: if that is the case, can we find a clearer way of saying it? Kevin McE (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

No, the greatest number of episodes ever purchased up front is 44 (for two seasons of "Amazing Stories"——see this link), but the hook clearly notes that it is about the new shows in NBC's 2011-2012 schedule, and the citation provided from Deadline.com states "With all the attention on the new series pickups at NBC, let's not forget that the network has been eyeing another new series on tap for next season that has larger order than any of the newly picked-up shows - The Firm.", which is almost the same verbiage in the hook. Maybe it's because I am an American, and have a decent familiarity with the way our TV industry functions, but the meaning of the hook is quite clear to me; can you suggest a different wording for the hook which would allay your concerns? Horologium (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Never mind, I see the problem. How about this:

Alt 1 ... that the 22-episode order for the television series The Firm, a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, is the largest order for any of the new shows in NBC's 2011–12 programs?

That suggestion also eliminates a potential factual inaccuracy, since the cited source states that it is discussing new shows only, not established shows. I didn't check all of the renewed shows, but I suspect that some of them have orders for at least as many episodes. Horologium (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not being deliberately obtuse, honestly. Largest implies that there is some dimension the size of which can be measured and compared: what is this dimension? Cost? Number of episodes? Prevalance of bald heads? What? Kevin McE (talk) 06:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

22 is the largest number of episodes. I do not know of any way to convey this that does not become needlessly repetitive (and which will break the 200 character limit; my alt is at 197 characters). Can you come up with a formulation that works for you? Horologium (talk) 09:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you: now we know what data the claim relates to. If conciseness is an issue, remove or reduce the reference to the films: how about ... the series with most episodes among NBC's 2011–12 orders is The Firm, with 22? or ... the television sequel to 1993 film The Firm has 22 episodes, more than any other series among NBC's 2011–12 orders? or change the thrust...that the 22 episode TV series, The Firm, is a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, set 10 years after the originals? Kevin McE (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Kalamata (olive)

• ... that kalamata olives (pictured) are protected under the European Protected Geographical Status scheme?

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 17:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Lorca. Credit to Casliber for suggesting the expansion. Miyagawa (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Puzzling that it stayed a stub so long, when Pork pie has such a long history. Good to go. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Mitch Skandalakis

• ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Mitch Skandalakis, a former State Representative and county board commissioner from Fulton County, Georgia, are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"?

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed a star with an awkward name, above. Starstriker, give that star a cool name, will you? Drmies (talk) 16:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Speaking of awkward names, how about a politician whose name starts with "Skandal"? (Well, awkward but appropriate in light of his conviction on corruption charges.) The original hook is 214 characters, which is a wee bit over the limit. The following is only 143, so there's room if you want to re-add some detail, but I tend to prefer a svelte hook.
• ALT1: ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Georgia Republican Mitch Skandalakis are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Obviously you're a much better bean counter than I am. Thank you much, Xarabnam. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Are we really proposing a hook that for all of its sourcing, basically boils down to calling Skandalakis a racist? OCNative (talk) 07:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• The hook talks about the ads, not about the person running them. There actually were some name jokes in the news reports about this guy. I could add that he was sent to jail after lying to an FBI investigator about taking bribes, or that he was disbarred by the Georgia Supreme Court... Drmies (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• That may be the best case here... at least its a fact and not a controversial opinion. Naturally, we'd have to say what the causes were. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I meant the fact is that he was sent to jail or disbarred. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

While I could make a fairly confident guess at the meaning of racebaiting, I have never come across the word, nor is it in my (UK) dictionary: race baiting (two words) is in Wiktionary. Needs linking or rephrasing. From the article, it seems less than conclusive that this opinion is as widespread as implicit in are considered to be: if it is not a near-universal take on the comments, then something like have been described as would be more appropriate. Also, ads is an informal abbreviation, the broadcasts were advertisements. Kevin McE (talk) 17:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the ads constitute "negative aspects" of Skandalakis, as per this rule: "...hooks which focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals, or which promote one side of any ongoing dispute, should be avoided." OCNative (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Mitch Skandalakis, a former county board commissioner from Fulton County, Georgia, was convicted for lying to an FBI agent and disbarred from practicing law?

It's not much more positive, I'm afraid, but more fact-based. I struck out the old hooks for clarity's sake. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's really hard to find anything about this guy which is positive, especially anything which is interesting and "hooky". How about....
• ALT3: ... that Mitch Skandalakis attracted national attention when he upset Martin Luther King III in a 1993 special election for Chairman of the Board of Commissioners for Fulton County, Georgia? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT3 clearly averts the negative aspects of living people rule. ALT2 is marginal, as he actually was convicted and disbarred by legal authorities (as opposed to the race-baiting, which is just an academic accusation). OCNative (talk) 11:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Lilin-Lilin Kecil, Chrisye

• ... that James F. Sundah's 1977 song "Lilin-Lilin Kecil", as performed by Chrisye, only placed fifth in the song writing competition for teenagers it was entered in but is now considered among the best Indonesian songs of all time?

Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Lilin-Lilin Kecil is new, Chrisye is the most demanding 5x expansion I've ever written Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    • First review: Francisco Coching (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    • Second review: Battle of Byczyna / War of the Polish Succession (1587–1588)(diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

It says "Honours and Awards" which should be 'Honours and awards'. Lightmouse (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. But... Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I do thousands of tiny edits just like that myself. For articles going through FA, GA, or this review page I've been told that instead of just providing an invisible service, it's worth making the process visible so dozens of editors start looking out for such things. Lightmouse (talk) 19:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

A song writing competition is presumably about the music and lyrics, not the performer. The song has been performed by many other people. Mention of Chrisye should be more tempered. If being such a hit after only being judged 5th is remarkable, then being only placed 5th in a competition of teenage songsmiths is more remarkable, so let's remark on it. Suggest ... that James F. Sundah's 1977 song "Lilin-Lilin Kecil", which became Chrisye's signature song, only placed fifth in the teenagers' song writing competition it was entered in, but is now considered among the best Indonesian songs of all time?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin McE (talk • contribs) 17:39, 25 May 2011

@Anon: He was the one who sang the song when it was entered into the competition. I've fixed my hook to better reflect that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Although come to think of it, the anon's hook has some merit. I guess I should let other editors decide. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the anonymity of forgetting to sign that time. The hook is improved anyway, so I don't mind much either way. I just hate people claiming that they are singing, for example, "Frank Sinatra's My Way": when they sing it, it isn't Frank Sinatra's, but it is Paul Anka's, now avoided. However, the lukewarm initial response to the song is emphasised by mention that it was a songwriting competition restricted to teenagers. Kevin McE (talk) 19:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I have added "for teenagers" to my hook as well. I guess our choice depends on whether we want to show that Chrisye was the one who sang it during the competition, or that it became his signature song. Both work, IMHO. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine; likewise happy with either Kevin McE (talk) 16:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Melaleuca fulgens

• ... that the ornamental garden shrub the scarlet honey myrtle (pictured) is from the same genus as the weedy punk tree?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University.

Date and length check out, but the hook doesn't appear in the article yet (even if it's implied). Is a rewrite of hook or article possible? Khazar (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

A smaller issue, too--the article doesn't call it "attractive". Can this be sourced and put in quotation marks? Or just removed? Khazar (talk) 06:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The government website describes it glowingly as "Always striking for its soft grey-green foliage, it is irresistible when in bloom". Given this is a website on growing it as a garden plant, I described them in the article as horticultural features with some positive adjectives. It is a highly regarded garden plant which I am trying to convey. I haven't directly stated the same genus bit in the article. I can rephrase to:

• ... that the attractive garden shrub the scarlet honey myrtle (pictured) and the weedy punk tree are in the genus Melaleuca?

this way, the genus placement of both in the genus is mentioned on each species page - how is that? If not good enough I'll try to think of a different hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK rules unfortunately require that the cited fact be in the article itself and noted with an inline citation. Hook rules Would it do any harm to mention within the species article something like "its genus includes X, Y, and Z"? I'm not sure how these are normally constructed.

I'd also still suggest taking out the "attractive" as non-neutral. I understand where you're coming from, and personally agree with the assessment, but it seems a little like having a hook of "Hamlet is a very good play by Shakespeare" or "a pizza is a tasty dinner food"; many people would agree, but it's still POV unless sourced to a particular author or set of authors (which would make this very cluttered). Just mentioning "garden shrub" will be enough, I think, to indicate that it has ornamental value. Actually, what would you say to the word "ornamental" here, or "decorative"? Something that suggests a role rather than a value judgment... Khazar (talk) 17:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

'Ornamental' is a very good choice. Will see what I can do about a direct link. Just had an idea...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Material now in Melaleuca fulgens article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Khazar (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Weedy does not mean of or pertaining to a weed, it means weak and feeble, or possibly inundated with weeds. Neither of these describes the 20m high Melaleuca quinquenervia. This species is only considered a weed in a few states of the US, not in its native range, so this is a rather parochial slur. Kevin McE (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

And yet, the article (and the hook) were written by someone who is from its native range, which would seem to indicate that perhaps your aspersions are a bit misplaced. Horologium (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Does not affect the fact that neither of the definitions of weedy describes this tree, and any claim that this plant is a weed other than in a small proportion of the US is absent from Wikipedia. Kevin McE (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Strewth! Stone the crows! Ok - struck "weedy". In environmental circles it can mean "invasive" hadn't realised it was so specific, so stricken. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Clarence Pickrel

• ... that on June 2, 1933, Clarence Pickrel, a pitcher for Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies, allowed four New York Giant runs to score without recording a single out?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed #List of Atlanta Braves team records. Could be saved/used on June 2 itself; it's close enough to that date. — KV5 • Talk • 02:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Diego Grez (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Allowed a run to score seems like a truism: if it is a run, it scores; if it doesn't score, it isn't a run. Kevin McE (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

"Allowed a run to score" is actually a common baseball term, as demonstrated by these 68,000 Google hits. Even the "allowed four runs to score" phrasing turns up 26,600 Google hits. OCNative (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but if allowed the New York Giants to score four runs... makes equal sense to those who follow thw sport, it will seem less odd to those of us who don't. Kevin McE (talk) 21:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

True enough. — KV5 • Talk • 00:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that on June 2, 1933, Clarence Pickrel, a pitcher for Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies, allowed the New York Giants to score four runs without recording a single out?

Hangout Music Festival

• ... that the Hangout Music Festival (entrance pictured) is an annual three-day music festival held on the beach at Gulf Shores, Alabama?

Created by Srt252 (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• At 686 characters the article is far short of the 1500 miniumum (note to nominator tthe lists of performing artists don't count towards the 1500). If the article can be expanded in time it could still make it - Basement12 (T.C) 11:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Current nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 22

List of places of worship in Arun + 4 others

• ... that past and present churches in Arun, West Sussex, include one in the grounds of a luxury hotel, one in a former Penny School, one (pictured) that became a market and a "strangely towered" one?

• Comment: Facts are mentioned and referenced in the "Overview of the district..." para in the list as well as in the articles themselves. I reviewed Bill Yates and St Denys' Church, Sleaford.

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 23:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• All looks good, approved. --PresN 23:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Perp walk

• ... that reporters waited as long as 15 hours to see Dominique Strauss-Kahn's perp walk?

• ALT1:... that actor Judd Hirsch's son once promoted an upcoming appearance by his band during a perp walk on drug charges (later dropped)?

At least in relation to the first suggestion, I have deep BLP style reservations about applying the word perpetrator (even in abbreviated form) to somebody whose case has not even reached the courts. Does innocent until proven guilty not apply to Wiki? Kevin McE (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: CSS Missouri ([3])

5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

CSS Missouri

• ... that the Confederate States Navy casemate ironclad CSS Missouri was the last Confederate ironclad to surrender during the American Civil War?

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 04:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Efthimios Mitropoulos--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Length and history verified; ref accepted in GF. Daniel Case (talk) 18:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Phnom Bok

• ... that the Phnom Bok hill temple in Cambodia, with rectangular plan is dedicated to the Trimurti (pictured Brahma image a Trimurti) images built in Bakheng style (893-927AD) installed in individual sanctums?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Img pictured is of Brahma one of the Trimurti’s images from the Phnom Bok temple now kept in the Guimet Musuem in Paris.--Nvvchar. 02:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

According to our article, Trimurti is a concept or a belief: the temple contains depictions of the Trimurti. Kevin McE (talk) 06:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The concept is personified in the form of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva and worshiped in image form in Hindu temples. One such form in stone carvings is also shown in the Trimurti article. Cambodia, which once followed Hindu religion adopted the same concept in creating temples and enshrining them with Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva images.--Nvvchar. 07:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Precisely: it is the images that are made in a Bakheng style and installed in sanctums, not the deities (whose existence, yet alone location, is something that an encyclopaedia can comment on) Kevin McE (talk) 19:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I get you point. I have now added word "images" to the hook. In case you wish to reword the hook you are welcome. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That's grand: sorry if my initial note was unclear. Kevin McE (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Susan Wicklund

• ... that Susan Wicklund worked 100-hour weeks in the early 1990s, traveling across the Midwest as an abortion provider?

• Reviewed: Larry Marley
• Comment: I'm at a loss for inspiration for a good hook, I welcome alts.

Created by Roscelese (talk). Self nom at 06:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook are all fine. I think the hook is interesting enough, I'm not sure that Midwestern U.S. should be piped though. Qrsdogg (talk) 15:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that in October 1991, protesters camped outside abortion provider Susan Wicklund's home for one month and blockaded her driveway to try to prevent her going to work?

ALT2: ... that abortion provider Susan Wicklund has been obliged to wear disguises to get past protesters in airports and at her workplace?

Eh, just trying to come up with some more things. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I like ALT2, anything about wearing disguises makes for a good hook. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Chalet Girl

• ... that actor Ed Westwick (pictured) liked the idea of playing a "nice guy" in British film Chalet Girl ?

• Reviewed: “Harvey” mannequin

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Bible translations into Polish

• ... that Bible translations into Polish date from the 13th century?

Created by In ictu oculi (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 19:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook are fine, overall the article is in good shape. I think it needs more inline citations, however, per Rule D2. Qrsdogg (talk) 15:30, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• They wouldn't hurt. Please direct this to the article's creator, I will probably not find time to improve this article further myself this week. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Already done, I just figured I'd ping both of you. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Surely they date from the 13th century. (at least in UK English) Kevin McE (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Be my guest. I was able to add some inline cites to the article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Tweaked hook, article is now fully sourced and good to go. Qrsdogg (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Piotr, I should point out that I did not create this article, have contributed to it, and one subarticle off it, but broke it out from content on Slavic translations of the Bible. Good for DYK I guess.In ictu oculi (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Artisans d'Angkor

• ... that the majority of those educated at the Artisans d'Angkor in Siem Reap are uneducated young Cambodian people from rural areas?

Created by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Carya washingtonensis

In the bolded article, Artisans d'Angkor are defined as "an artisan group". These young Cambodians are educated by Artisans d'Angkor, or at Artisans d'Angkor's centre/facility/training school in Siem Reap Kevin McE (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Erskine Thomason

• ... that Erskine Thomason struck out one batter in his Major League Baseball career, which consisted of pitching one inning in 1974?

5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• 2nd DYK nominee, don't need to do a review. Albacore (talk) 01:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, expansion and ref are fine. Article was classed as a stub but I've corrected this - Basement12 (T.C) 11:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The Prince and the Surfer

• ... that the direct-to-video 1999 family comedy The Prince and the Surfer (with Linda Cardellini) was the directorial debut of stage and film actor Arye Gross?

• Reviewed: Gus Douglass diff

Created by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and cited hook all check out. May I suggest a catchier hook, though? It would need to be cited, but...

... that the 1999 comedy The Prince and the Surfer does not contain a single instance of surfing? — AlekJDS ^talk 02:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Efthimios Mitropoulos

• ... that Efthimios Mitropoulos is the seventh and current Secretary-General of the International Maritime Organization?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Also suggested topic as a double-nom hook at Filipino seamen above at May 21, 2011 section. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
• I reviewed the article: Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Bharattherium

• ... that Bharattherium may have been among the first grazing mammals?

• Reviewed: Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat
• Comment: Article moved to mainspace moments ago, but had been in userspace for some time. The hook fact is mentioned (more or less clearly) in three sources: Prasad et al. (2005); Wilson et al. (2007); Prasad et al. (2007).

Created/expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length and date of move are fine. The hook fact may be mentioned more or less in the sources, I'll AGF as I can't view them, but it seems to be mentioned less (i.e. not at all) in the article itself - Basement12 (T.C) 22:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's in the last sentence of the lead and the last of "Range and ecology". Ucucha 06:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

But at neither point does it say they were/may have been amongst the first - Basement12 (T.C) 10:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point, added now. Ucucha 13:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorted - Basement12 (T.C) 15:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat

• ... that Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat is one of three fruit-eating bats found to be a reservoir for Ebola virus in the wild?

• ALT1:... that the call of Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat sounds like "kyurnk" at close range and a musical whistle from far off?
• Reviewed: 1994-95 South Pacific cyclone season
• Comment: Thanks to Shyamal for indicating this as a suitable tub for DYK expansion. Credit to user Shyamal for locating a historically significant free image for this article. AshLin (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by AshLin (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article good, hook confirmed. Ucucha 21:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ken Barrington

• ... that the England cricketer Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 during the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?

• Reviewed: Dering Roll

Created by Philipjelley (talk). Self nom Philipjelley (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It says his height is "5'4"". The abbreviation for 'foot' should be 'ft' and that for 'inch' should be 'in'. Titles in tables and headings should be sentence case. Lightmouse (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I've edited the article for sentence case, links, units, spelling. Lightmouse (talk) 19:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Barrington was present at the test match in Barbados as a team manager: the hook makes it sound like a not very remarkable coincidence ( on the day he died, a match was being played in the same place where he got his first century). Suggest ... that the England cricketer Ken Barrington died while part of the management of the England team playing in Bridgetown, Barbados, where he had made his first Test century 21 years earlier? Kevin McE (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

How about "... that the assistant-manager of the England cricket team Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 while they were playing the West Indies in the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?" Philipjelley (talk) 08:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Could "Third Test" be wikilinked to something? I (and most of my fellow Americans, I assume) have no idea what the "Third Test" means in the context of cricket. Also, shouldn't it be "English cricketer" rather than "England cricketer" (in the original hook and the first alt hook)? OCNative (talk) 12:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

There are countless "English" cricketers, but very few are selected for the national side. See the wikilink on "England" in the hook. --Dweller (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

<-the first incidence of "Test" should be wikilinked to Test cricket. --Dweller (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The article link for the series in which he dies is; History of cricket in the West Indies from 1980–81 to 1990, there is no article on the 1980-81 series. The link to the series in which he made his maiden Test century is more precise; English cricket team in West Indies in 1959-60. If we use just the former we would have DYK "...that the assistant-manager of the England cricket team Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 while they were playing the West Indies in the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?" Philipjelley (talk) 17:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Armada 2526

• ... that in the strategy video game Armada 2526, players can develop bio-engineered squid hyperdrive ships?

• Reviewed: Jean-Pierre Latz ([4])
• Comment: Article expanded from a two-sentence stub. The hook can be found in the "Gameplay" section.

5x expanded by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, hook all check out. Only one small tweak I'd suggest to the hook--perhaps mention that it's a computer game? Khazar (talk) 05:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I see your point, but I was thinking the mystery of not knowing exactly what it was would get more people to click! I am open to tweaking it if anyone feels sufficiently strongly about the issue, though. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 07:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe DYK rules call for fictional subjects to be clearly identified as such. It's clear enough that I'm ok with leaving it to the assembling editor, but my vote is that it gets identified as a computer game. Khazar (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough - so changed. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 18:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Alcyonium digitatum

• ... that the soft coral dead man's fingers, (pictured), can live for twenty years?

• Reviewed: R (GC) v Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook's offline ref accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:44, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 (perhaps save for Halloween): ... that a dead man's fingers can live for twenty years? ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 01:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Too far away. Only hooks for April Fools is allowed to be submitted more than a year before. (Although I agree completely with your point that it would be great for Halloween). Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Grammy Award for Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female

• ... that Al Green earned the only Grammy Award for Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female in 1990 for the song "As Long As We're Together"?

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• 5x expansion confirmed, but Al Green's award is listed for 1989 at Past Winner Search. Notified Another Believer--Wetman (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Responded on talk page. Award was presented in 1990 for 1989 works (see Grammy Awards of 1990). --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Dering Roll

• ... that the Dering Roll (excerpt pictured) begins with the coats of arms of two illegitimate sons of King John of England?

• Reviewed: Hair (Lady Gaga song)

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 15:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks OK to me, old article increased fivefold and sufficiently long, accepting the bona fides of the sources in good faith.Philipjelley (talk) 19:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Christian Council of Ghana

• ... that the Christian Council of Ghana, an umbrella group that unites 15 churches, was formed in 1929?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Shackleford (horse) [[5]]

• The article is not 1500 characters of prose, its mainly a section of lists. The article needs to read as an encyclopedic article. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length now over 3000 characters. More content added. Article now reads more encyclopedic.-- CrossTempleJay  talk 09:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Much happier. Date, length, format and cites are good, which back up the hook. Notability also not a problem. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Shackleford (horse)

• ... that 2011 Preakness Stakes-winner Shackleford's owners wanted to sell him, but no one wanted to meet their reserve price?

• Reviewed: Ski Lift No. 1

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, date check out, but my count gave a length less than 1500.-- CrossTempleJay  talk 14:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length should be good now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length now more than 1500. Good work. Ready to go.-- CrossTempleJay  talk 21:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It says "1 1/16-mile", "1 1/4-mile", "7 furlong", "50 yards", "quarter mile", "3/4 of a mile" and needs conversions added. Lightmouse (talk) 21:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe I have converted everything.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I found a few more.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Let me put everything in one diff.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks fine to me now. Lightmouse (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Actor's and Sin

• ... that the 1952 drama and comedy Actor's and Sin was only the second time Edward G. Robinson starred in a film with Marsha Hunt?

• Comment: reviewed #Vermouth [6] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 10:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. Nicely done.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Suggesting a couple of ALTs...
• ALT1: ... that several theater chains refused to screen the 1952 film Actor's and Sin due to its lampooning of stage and screen?
• ALT2: ... that DVD Verdict refers to a child's performance in the 1952 film Actor's and Sin as "fingernails-on-a-blackboard grating"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Both ALTs are nice. Go with whichever one might best intrigue readers. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing remarkable in that two actors had, at some time, only worked together twice. What point is being made by the word only? Kevin McE (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Czerwono-Czarni

• ... that Czerwono-Czarni was the first Polish rock band to cut a record?

5x expanded by Vounteer Marek, Epeefleche, and Piotrus; nominated by --Epeefleche (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: 13th (Lancashire) Parachute Battalion

. Looks good. Maxim_(talk) 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Robert W. Chandler

• ... that Robert W. Chandler bought the The Bend Bulletin newspaper from Robert W. Sawyer in 1953 with only a $6,000 down payment?

• Comment: Source is "Bend Daily Celebrates Centennial" in Aug 2003 edition of Oregon Publisher; see p. 6, column 4

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Jeanette Eaton

• ... that children's author Jeanette Eaton, a four-time winner of the Newbery Honor, was a feminist who also wrote for a socialist magazine and felt that women were inhibited by reading women's magazines?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: John Azary. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Well, the article is fine; I made some tweaks. But where does this hook come from? Drmies (talk) 02:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a combination of several facts from the article. Feel free to tweak or make ALTs.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah. Look again at the name in the section heading, and the name in the hook. I'll get back to you! Drmies (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

AH, I was the one confused. FIxed. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

OK. I made a tweak or two, and if it's OK with you, I'm also going to make minor changes to the hook. I also suggest that you added examples of the 'modern inventions' to the article and rephrase that sentence; it's not totally clear. But there is some unclarity: I don't rightly understand the last part of hook, since "inhibited women" is a very general phrase. Moreover, the start of the sentence that provides the base for the hook, "As for the "best friend" of men, she felt that was women's magazines," is unclear. "Women's magazines was the best friend of men" is not very clear. I suggest a rewriting of that sentence, placing it in the context of women's lib, for instance, and making clear that "men" refers to patriarchy. The problem there is that you're dealing with a primary source and the introduction in that reader doesn't specifically address the reading of women's magazines; citing a secondary source is probably the best thing to do. Sorry to give you more work. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Tweaks are fine. Added examples of inventions. Will sleep on the rewrite. If you think of how to improve, it, go for it.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, this is no time for sleeping! I've looked at the material again, and I've tweaked the hook, and I think it will work now--adding "reading" makes this less of an interpretation, in my opinion. Please see the suggestion on my talk page; when you stick that quote in I'll be glad to send it on. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Check it now. Added the blockquote. Your and LoS's tweaks are all definite improvements. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Drmies (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Victoria Aitken

• ... that Victoria Lockwood and Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer had only known each other for six weeks prior to getting married?

Created by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Filipino seamen ([7])

Alt1 to get around the name change

• ... that the then Victoria Lockwood and Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer had only known each other for six weeks prior to getting married? Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

- That's fine. - Yk³ talk · contrib 06:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

date, length and hook checked to on-line source. Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• The hook is fine, but might there be a way to incorporate her former sister-in-law? Including her would probably substantially increase interest in the hook. OCNative (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that the then Victoria Lockwood had only known the brother of Diana, Princess of Wales, for six weeks prior to marrying him? - Yk³ talk · contrib 23:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I think that alt overly minimizes Charles Spencer, so how about this one:
  ALT3:... that Victoria Lockwood had only known Charles Spencer, Princess Diana's brother, for six weeks prior to marrying him? OCNative (talk) 02:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• That's fine. - Yk³ talk · contrib 02:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go with ALT3 then. OCNative (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

R (GC) v Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis

• ... that the United Kingdom Supreme Court recently ruled that current police practices regarding the retention of biometric data are unlawful?

Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 15:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date of article, length and hook seem fine to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Just to say, this is a UK based hook, and it'd be nice to get it timed appropriately for that audience. I'll leave that to you guys. Bob House 884 (talk) 22:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Oh and no review required since I'm new to this. Bob House 884 (talk) 21:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Jean-Pierre Latz

• ... that Jean-Pierre Latz, like several other very prominent ébénistes in 18th-century Paris, was born in Germany?

• Reviewed: Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• The date and length are fine, and most of the article is well-sourced. The hook is not cited though - there needs to be an inline citation for the sentence "Like several of his peers in the French capital, he was of German origin." Also, saying that Latz was a "truly outstanding" cabinetmaker seems a bit WP:PEACOCK-ey when that language is not obviously used in the source. A bit more work and this should be fine. All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 18:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

For German cabinetmakers working in Paris, see the list at ébéniste. For Latz' birth in Germany, I've now inserted an eleventh reference to Bellaigue 1974, p. 876. I avoid empty adjectives: Latz ranks with Jean-François Oeben and BVRB among the very first Louis XV ébénistes: the clients mentioned in the article speak for his prominence. I'll add a somewhat extended remark by André Bouthemy and shall look for some further published peacockry. --Wetman (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed by adding new citation. Sorry for being a little unclear before - the issue wasn't his being German, as that was sourced before. The issue was that there was no citation that says that "several other" ébénistes working in Paris were of German origins. I've fixed this by adding the cite note you wrote at Guillaume Beneman and editing it a little. (You might want to change the wording, as it's a bit of a hatchet job.) I think this is just enough to conform to the DYK rules, as now the sentence is cited, and the individuals mentioned are cited as being German in their own articles. However if there's a source that specifically says that many of Latz's peers in Paris were German, then citing that would be preferable, I think. Also, thank you for adding the source for "truly outstanding". That is more than enough for our purposes here, although more published peacockry certainly can't hurt. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 06:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I removed the dates (ca 1691 — 1754), which made the hook less hooky and were unnecessary, as "18th-century" establishes a close-enough time frame (plus it had the wrong kind of dash between the years). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

A good move.--Wetman (talk) 00:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Seconded. Thank you! — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 19:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Olek

• ... that Polish-born American artist Olek is well-known for having her exhibit visitors wear her full body fabric art (pictured)?

... that New York-based artist Olek (pictured) regularly involves exhibit visitors in her work, by having them don "wearable sculptures", her full body fabric art?

Alt 1: ... that participants in performance art by Polish-born American artist Olek (pictured) are literally crocheted into her body suits, without fasteners?

• Reviewed: Case Closed discography ([8])

Created by Zanimum (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length, and first hook OK. Second hook is sourced to http://subwayartblog.com/ , which might not be a WP:RS. Go with the first hook. I would advise against using the picture--it might be a copyright violation, since it is a photograph of a copyrighted artwork. See commons:Commons:Derivative works.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Cool! What Subway Art Blog says about the suits I don't think is unique to them, likely one of the other ones say it too. If I could find a reference to being crocheted in, would that be a preferable hook? With the picture, it is a public performance: would freedom of panorama kick in? There is a picture of the artist herself, if that's of interest. (see above). -- Zanimum (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

If you can find another source for ALT1, that'd be better. No, freedom of panorama only applies for buildings (which are copyrightable, but you can take pictures of them in spite of their copyright). The image of the artist would be preferable.--GrapedApe (talk) 01:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Not that the second hook is now also cited to a video of the process. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Somebody can be known for something they do; they can also be well-known. While Olek may be known for this habit, I would dispute that she is well known: I suspect I would need to ask a very large cross section of the public before finding anyone who has heard of her. Kevin McE (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Wowsers, I obviously wrote that in my sleep. I agree that she's rather obscure, outside of the art world. She got major media coverage for the Wall Street bull covering, but I doubt many who saw that saw her name, let alone remember it. And since that's the highest profile, suggesting she's best known for the "wearable sculpture" is technically wrong. So, I've created a new main hook, but I'd still like alt 1, now that I have the second source. Without a picture of her artworks, the first hook really doesn't seem to explain things, but the second captures the uber-weirdness of the process better. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Liang Huazhi

• ... that Liang Huazhi led the Patriotic Sacrifice League to resist the Japanese Empire in Shanxi, China?

Created by Ferox Seneca (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length verified, book source accepted in good faith. Could use some wikifying and prose improvement though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

So Random!

• ... that Disney Channel has created a spin-off of Sonny with a Chance, titled So Random!, which is a musical sketch comedy show that was first introduced in Sonny with a Chance?

Created by 68DANNY2 (talk). Nominated by 117Avenue (talk) at 04:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• • ALT1 ... that Disney Channel has created the stand-alone series So Random!, which is a musical sketch comedy show that was first introduced in Sonny with a Chance? If "spin-off" is questioned. 117Avenue (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Personally, for a hook, I'd go with:

...when Sonny with a Chance actor Demi Lovato bowed out of season three, show-within-a-show So Random! was spun-off into its own sketch comedy series?

Otherwise, solid article considering the limited information available so far. Looks exactly on format with Wikiproject Television standards, long enough body, lots of referencing, albeit to a limited range of sources. I've stuck a New York Times blog post in for good measure. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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Titanic Engineers' Memorial, Southampton

• ... that the Titanic Engineers' Memorial in Southampton was

unveiled if front of a crowd of 100,000, who gathered in St Andrews Park on 15 April 1914, two years after the disaster. Created by Marek69 (talk). Nominated by Marek69 (talk) at 15:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Do you mean in instead of if in the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 09:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Siege of Klis

• ... that during the Ottoman wars in Europe, the Croat feudal lord Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two and half decades until the final Siege of Klis?

Created by Kebeta (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook is inaccurate. As shown by the article, the siege lasted around six months, now two and a half decades. — Toдor Boжinov — 08:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi Todor and thanks for your review! Hook says.."Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two and half decades.", it doesn't say that the last siege lasted for more than two and half decades. So, hook is OK, and cited in the lead. Klis Fortress was indeed under constant invasion for more than two and half decades, which is cited in the article. In that period there were numerous sieges, and the last siege (lasted around six months) resulted in an Ottoman victory. So, I am not refering to a last siege in my hook, but to a all sieges until the final fall of the fortress. Regards, --Kebeta (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I have changed the hook, is this better..?--Kebeta (talk) 09:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi! In the future, please strike the original hook and post the new one underneath so that the discussion below remains coherent and clear. For the record, the previous hook was: "... that during the Siege of Klis, the Croat feudal lord Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two and half decades?". This clearly implied that the siege itself lasted more than two and a half decades.

The current hook looks OK, the article's length and date are fine as well. However, I was unable to access http://klis.hr/ and the reference to this website. I get an 'You are not authorized to view this page' error message. Is it possible that the URL is not accessible outside Croatia? It appears to be inaccessible from other places as well. If it's indeed a restricted URL and the website is not otherwise down, I could perhaps verify the reference AGF. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:39, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for not strikeing the original hook - I didn't know that. As for the reference - it's probably down, since I was looking there these last several days. Anyway, the text in that web page is copied from the book 'Klis: Prošlost, Toponimi, Govor' by Srećko Listeš (located in section 'Further reading'). But since that book doesn't have preview on google books (thus no page number), I used this web page as a citation. It was working fine so far. --Kebeta (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, now it's fixed. --Kebeta (talk) 14:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm verifying the submission with the following hook:

• ... that during the Ottoman wars in Europe, the Croat feudal lord Petar Kružić defended the Klis Fortress against Ottoman invasion for more than two decades until the final Siege of Klis? — Toдor Boжinov — 15:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun

• ... that although the Abbasid army wanted to acclaim Al-Abbas ibn al-Ma'mun as Caliph instead of his uncle al-Mu'tasim, he refused?

• Reviewed: 1945 Augustów roundup
• Comment: ALT hook suggestions welcome

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 09:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Everything is OK. I think more interesting hook is possible. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• I agree, but I cannot think of a hook that won;t be too convoluted or over 200 chars. Constantine ✍ 18:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Paula Barbieri

• ... that Paula Barbieri was reportedly the last girlfriend of O. J. Simpson before the murder of Nicole Simpson and stuck with him during his trial?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 12:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Liang Huazhi♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Carya washingtonensis

• ... that the extinct Miocene hickory, Carya washingtonensis is known from over 50 nuts found as a rodent cache found in a petrified stump?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Louisiana pancake batfish below

• Length, date, hook's offline ref accepted AGF. Also, I'm suggesting we avoid using the word "found" twice within the hook; ALT1 : ... that the extinct Miocene hickory, Carya washingtonensis is known from over 50 nuts found as a rodent cache within a petrified stump? --Rosiestep (talk) 04:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
• I have no problems with the alt hook. --Kevmin § 07:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Please review the ratio between high and low value links. I think you can remove links to plain English terms like month, road signs, English language. Lightmouse (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

5th (Scottish) Parachute Battalion

• ... that during World War II paratroopers in the 5th Parachute Battalion wore bonnets?

Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Declaration of war by Canada 23 May

• Length and date good, AGF for book ref. I've added the "that" to the start of the hook assuming it wasn't left out deliberately - Basement12 (T.C)

Deliberately misleading hook: the Balmoral Bonnet is not an example of what is typically understood by bonnet. Not April 1. Kevin McE (talk) 19:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree see Bonnet (headgear)#Men its an accepted term for male headware. Jim Sweeney (talk) 20:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

"Bonnet" in general is fairly outdated, but Scottish English retained the use of the term for men's headgear long after (English) English had begun to limit it to women, and it still crops up in military contexts to this day - see, eg, this or this. Given the context, I don't think it's inappropriate. Shimgray | talk | 21:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Seeing Bonnet (headgear)#Men confirms my point perfectly: The word "bonnet" for male headgear was generally replaced in English by cap before 1700 While the exception in Scots English is noted, to rely on that linguistic throwback to make a point seems contrary to WP:VNE. Let's be honest: the hook is only chosen because it seems laughable to have paratroopers in bonnets, as bonnets is usually understood. On those grounds, it is deliberately misleading. Kevin McE (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Alt 1: ... that during World War II, the Red Devils were ready for anything? Spy007au (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The word bonnet is still retained for men's headgear in Scottish English, particularly in a military context (and note the article is on a Scottish battalion), so I see no problem with the original hook. The idea of the hook is to get readers interested in the article, something that initially seems bizarre, but is entirely correct, will do that perfectly and is entirely legitimate - Basement12 (T.C) 08:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree with Basement; it's a hook, after all. The usage is correct, and can be clarified in the main article. Khazar (talk) 16:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

But it is only correct to the reader of the Main Page whose natural ENGVAR is militaristic Scots: to anyone else it is misleading. Kevin McE (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for budding in but I noticed this discussion by chance and felt the need to comment. The problem here seems to be that "bonnet" is linked but not bolded. Our readers assume that bolded items appearing in the DYK section might be re-worded for "catchiness" and they don't mind that (like the "Red Devils" proposed in ALT1). For all other non-bolded blue links the reader assumes that they link to standard encyclopedic definitions of the term. The intention of the hook is to make the reader click on the bolded entry because it is the only one leading to the newly created/expanded article. If this was a double nomination and if the word "bonnets" was bolded there would be no problem because the readers would assume that the bonnets you are talking about are not your garden variety bonnets. But if the word is not wikilinked at all or just plain blue-linked than it's misleading as the reader assumes you are talking about the common bonnet. He/she will click on the bolded item to find out more but will find an article which only once mentions Balmoral bonnets and it occurs in the middle of a decently developed article. Unless they read through the article they will indeed feel misled. Timbouctou (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

How is it misleading the battalion wore bonnets, its referenced and anyone clicking on the link is taken to the correct article. The term is used today to quote from the British Army website dress regulations for the Royal Regiment of Scotland Cap badge worn on left of bonnet over tartan patch page 26 [9] Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

What image do you really think springs to mind for the vast majority of readers when they read the word bonnet? Precisely the image intended by those saying that this incongruity is what makes it a good hook. In other words, it is a good hook to the extent to which it misleads. That might be acceptable on April Fools' Day, but not ordinarily. I have no problem with a blurb that says that the regiment refer to their headwear as bonnets: that is factual, honest, and encyclopaedic while communicating something that is surprising. Kevin McE (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

If we rule out all meanings that the vast majority of readers don't comprehend we may as well just use Simple Wikipedia. The DYK section is boring enough without culling interesting hooks that are factually correct - Basement12 (T.C) 23:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

There is an essential difference between dumbing down so much that we treat readers like fools, and trying to fool them. I believe that this hook comes under the second of these (hence it is the style used on April Fools' Day). I note that this is a defence the practice of misleading, rather than a denial of it. Kevin McE (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The headgear in this instance is properly called a bonnet. To the extent this is misleading, it is because it is an unfamiliar term. Right in the lede of the bonnet (headgear) article, it says, "In the 21st century, only a few kinds of headgear are still referred to as bonnets, most commonly those worn by babies and Scottish soldiers." I'll suggest ALT2 ... that the Red Devils wore bonnets in battle during World War II? That is undeniably factual, and is even supported by this photo! cmadler (talk) 12:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok takinG in all above how about ALT2

• ... that during World War II paratroopers in the 5th Parachute Battalion wore bonnets?

Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Charles Edward Keyser

• ... that in 1893, stockbroker and Knight Templar Charles Edward Keyser (pictured) bought Aldermaston Court – a mansion built by a student of his grandfather?

Created/expanded by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Anarchism in Argentina (diff). matt (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Checks out for date and length. AGF on the references, although an anonymous reference is a bit dicey in terms of reliability. A suggestion on the hook: I think you can do without saying stockbroker and Knight Templar? -danjel (talk to me) 14:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Louisiana pancake batfish

• ... that the rare Louisiana pancake batfish only lives in the area affected by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill?

Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

length, hook, and references all check out.--Kevmin § 21:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Rizal Law

• ... that the Catholic Church in the Philippines threatened to close all Catholic schools if the Rizal Bill of 1956 was passed (José Rizal pictured)?
  • ALT1: that the debates to enact the Rizal Law (José Rizal pictured) in 1956 is compared to the current Reproductive Health bill debate in the Philippines?

• Comment: Suggest a June 19 date as it is Rizal's 150th birth anniversary.

Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, length, date check out. Good to go. ALT1 is more catchy.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 23:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand WWII pilots

• ... that between WWII New Zealand born pilots, Roy Calvert (pictured), Fraser Barron, Gordon Cochrane, Bob Yule, Reg Grant and Frank Watkins, they have been awarded 5 DFCs, 3 DSOs, 2 DFMs, 7 Medal bars and 1 recommendation for the Victoria Cross?

Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Except for the missing roll over text everything seems to be in good order. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

How about Alt1

• ... that in World War II, New Zealand born pilots, Roy Calvert (pictured), Fraser Barron, Gordon Cochrane, Bob Yule, Reg Grant and Frank Watkins, between them were awarded 4 DSOs, 11 DFCs, 2 DFMs and one was recommended for the Victoria Cross?

Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• ::That's OK with me. Spy007au (talk) 21:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Tobermory (distillery)

• ... that the Tobermory whisky distillery (pictured) is located in the village made famous by the children's television show Balamory?

• Reviewed: Glossary of association football terms

5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Nice read, although I like beer more. References are OK.--Stone (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Tobermory had been made famous many years earlier by the character of the same name in the Wombles! Kevin McE (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, but I was trying to go for the shock value that Balamory had a whisky distillery. :) Miyagawa (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Dhondup Wangchen

• ... that the American Repertory Theater and System of a Down's Serj Tankian dedicated their 2011 Prometheus Bound to jailed Tibetan filmmaker Dhondup Wangchen?

Reviewed: Silver Spurs Rodeo, Agnes Hewes

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date length and hook all check out. Good to go!Benny Digital ^{Speak Your Brains} 07:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added tick and tweaked a word in the hook for impact. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Jigme Gyatso

• ... that Jigme Gyatso was re-arrested after his allegations of torture by Chinese security forces were re-played on Voice of America?

Reviewed: Armada 2526

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The article is Prose size (text only): 3529 B (583 words) "readable prose size" and there needs to be at least 1500 words. Otherwise, date and sources verified. mauchoeagle _(c) 21:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Not sure what the above comment means. The article is more than 1500 characters. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Silver Spurs Rodeo

• ... that the Silver Spurs Rodeo, billed as the largest rodeo east of the Mississippi River, was originally organized to encourage the purchase of war bonds?

Created by Horologium (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Anton Graff ([10])

Length, date, hook good to go. Khazar (talk) 05:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Agnes Hewes

• ... that American children's author Agnes Hewes, a three-time winner of the Newbery Honor, was born in Tripoli, Lebanon to medical missionary parents?

Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game BarkingMoon (talk) 01:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

It appears she won the "honor" three times, not the medal--in other words, finalist, not winner. To be picky, the source also doesn't appear to verify that Hewes was born in Tripoli, only that her parents lived there. Other than that, date and length check out. Very impressive research on this one. Khazar (talk) 06:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Added the ref that says she was born in Tripoli and lived there 12 years to after the first sentence in the Bio section (ref number 3). Yes, she got the "honor", not the "medal". The Newbery organization tracks this too but on wiki both are discussed and recipients (of the honor too) are listed in the same article.BarkingMoon (talk) 09:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go, thanks for the changes and (another) well-researched piece. Khazar (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

David F. Ford

• ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge originally thought he would go to work at British Steel or Rolls-Royce?

• Reviewed: Kbal Spean ([11])

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not precisely what the source says, but close enough I guess. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Is this better?

ALT1: ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge once interviewed for jobs at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fine too. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Who did he interview? In UK English, the prospective employer interviews, the would-be employee is interviewed. Kevin McE (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Fair enough.

ALT2: ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge once applied for a job at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Yoninah (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Case Closed discography

• ... that the Case Closed discography contains seventy-seven singles and nineteen soundtrack albums during the anime's 15 year run?

5x expanded by DragonZero (talk). Self nom at 07:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

First DYK so there's bound to be problems I will try to fix. Thanks. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 07:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Great formatting, refs seem to check out, of the ones I've tried. The only thing I've changed is that the film names are italicized, as they are in their actual articles. Otherwise, you might seriously consider featured lists for this. Perhaps the hook should be slightly re-worded to:

... that the Case Closed discography contains seventy-seven singles and nineteen soundtrack albums during the anime's 15 year run?

Otherwise it's good to go. (Alternatively, the fact there were five singles reaching #1 is pretty impressive.) -- Zanimum (talk) 15:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The article is too short at 1385 characters of prose. Please have a look at DYK rules. —Bruce1ee^talk 06:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I added more words, it should meet the requirements now. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length fine now, thanks. —Bruce1ee^talk 08:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Intelligence in Canada

• ... that Canadian intelligence system consists of several agencies that provide different sorts of intelligence?

Created by MauchoEagle (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please note that due to a history merge recently performed, the article comes across as created by SuncountryGuy01 who is indefinitely blocked. mauchoeagle _(c) 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed #Jigme Gyatso (diff) mauchoeagle _(c) 21:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
• Date, size, hook check out. I AGF the history based on the mergers and moves. But the hook is as dry as the come. The article has more interesting facts, I'd strongly suggest coming up with something more eye catching. How about the ALT below (needs a cite in the article)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

  ALT1:... that some of the earliest activities of the Canadian intelligence system involved guarding the Canada-United States border, and to prevent U.S. infringement on Canadian neutrality during the U.S. Civil War

Articles created/expanded on May 24

Ambrosio José Gonzales

• ...that Colonel Ambrosio José Gonzales (pictured), a Confederate soldier, once fought for the US annexation of Cuba?

This article was once a "stub" and I, Tony the Marine (talk) 15:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC), have expanded it to what it is now, a full article.

Debate between sheep and grain

• ... that Edward Chiera considered the setting of the Debate between sheep and grain to be the Babylonian Garden of Eden?

Created by Paul Bedson (talk). Self nom at 13:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Daniel Higford Davall Burr, Anne-Margaretta Burr. Paul Bedson

Good to go, interesting article. Offline ref accepted in good faith.-- Obsidi♠n^Soul 06:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Isabella Psalter, Queen Mary Psalter

• ... that the Isabella Psalter (named for Isabella of France) and the Queen Mary Psalter (for Mary I of England) are 14th-century devotional books that also contain bestiaries?

Created by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful, offline sources AGF, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Is there any way to include the oddity of a 14th-century devotional book named for a 16th-century monarch (Mary)? That'd be neat, but I have no objection to the original hook if it can't be incorporated. OCNative (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Fontenelle Dam

• ... that the collapse of Teton Dam in 1976 was foreshadowed by a similar near-disastrous failure at Fontenelle Dam in 1965?

Created by Acroterion (talk) from a redirect. Self nom at 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Jones's Wood. Acroterion (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, image, and hook are fine. AGF on offline references. Qrsdogg (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Eugene Linden (conductor)

• ... that Eugene Linden hitchhiked from Portland, Oregon to Tacoma, Washington at age 21 to establish the Tacoma Philharmonic?

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length of both articles OK. Hook ref verified. Good to go. Doh5678 Talk 20:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

American Express Gold card dress of Lizzy Gardiner and Lizzy Gardiner

• ... that the American Express Gold card dress worn at the 67th Academy Awards by costume designer Lizzy Gardiner was made from 254 expired American Express cards?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 12:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length of both articles OK. Hook ref verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Manipur Bush Rat

• ... that the Manipur Bush Rat (Hadromys humei) was described from the collection of A. O. Hume which he donated after his life's work of ornithological notes were sold by a servant as waste paper?

• Reviewed: German involvement in the Spanish Civil War
• Comment: Thanks to Shyamal for indicating this as a suitable stub for DYK expansion. Credit to user Shyamal for locating and uploading a historically significant free image for this article. AshLin (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by AshLin (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 04:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length of prose and online references check out, offline reference taken AGF. It looks good to go. --Kevmin § 07:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Missing verifiable reference for DYK hook added to the article FYI (diff). AshLin (talk) 08:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Excellent!--Kevmin § 09:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Is there space to say the he donated the collection to the Natural History Museum, rather than leaving the verb oddly intransitive? Kevin McE (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Had considered various combinations - didn't work. AshLin (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Revolution of October 8, 1812

• ... that José de San Martin and Carlos María de Alvear helped to depose the Argentine First Triumvirate?

• Reviewed: Jens Bache-Wiig

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Nominated by Cambalachero (talk) at 03:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

An ordinal number is usually the first in a string of adjectives: suggest Argentina's First Triumvirate Kevin McE (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Have in mind that "First Triumvirate" is the given name, not a descriptive name Cambalachero (talk) 23:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Agree entirely: I'm certainly not proposing First Argentinian Triumvirate. This is just for euphony, not trying to change facts or names: a genitive is, I would suggest, less likely t po be thought part of a compound name than an adjective of nationality. Kevin McE (talk) 06:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I concur with Kevin. His suggestion reads more naturally to me than the original hook. Also, how about changing "helped to depose" to "helped depose" instead? Kevin and my suggestions combine to create:
ALT1:... that José de San Martin and Carlos María de Alvear helped depose Argentina's First Triumvirate?
Does that work for you Camblachero? OCNative (talk) 12:13, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Sturgeon House

• ... that the Sturgeon House (pictured) in Fairview is a rare example of a saltbox house in northwestern Pennsylvania?

• Reviewed: Argentina at the 1960 Summer Paralympics ([12])

Created/expanded by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 01:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date, length and hook check out. PhantomPlugger (talk) 17:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

"Harvey" mannequin

• ... that the "Harvey" mannequin (pictured) is a patient simulator created in 1968 to teach cardiopulmonary medicine?

Created/expanded by Gene Hobbs (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out, although the lead could do with some expansion. Miyagawa (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas

• ... that the oldest pre-Hispanic tomb has been found in Chiapa de Corzo, Chiapas, Mexico?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 20:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• REVIEWED Ron Stein Thelmadatter (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It would be extraordinary if the earliest tomb were not pre-Hispanic. It is presumably also pre-industrialisation, pre-internet, and pre-lots of other things that have happened since AD400. But are these the oldest tombs in Mexico, in the Americas, in the world, or merely in that area? Without clarification of the parameters of the claim, it is meaningless. Kevin McE (talk) 19:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Larry Marley

• ... that the IRA member Larry Marley escaped imprisonment by fleeing from a courthouse, was re-captured, attempted to escape from prison dressed as a warden, and then helped mastermind the Maze Prison escape?

Created by Jeanne boleyn (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 19:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• None of the facts in the hook are cited in the article. (The hook is also a bit long.) Please add citations. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Cottage Home Historic District

A view of the Cottage Home Historic District from Dorman St.

• ... that John Dillinger is said to have frequented a bar in Cottage Home (pictured) while preparing for his heist of the Massachusetts Avenue State Bank?

Created by PhantomPlugger (talk). Self nom at 19:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and refs all good. It might just be me but the wording of the hook seems to suggest that the photograph is of the bar, rather than a photo of Cottage Home Historic District. matt (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Interaction Hypothesis (below)

Interaction Hypothesis

• ... that according to the Interaction Hypothesis, the efficiency of second language acquisition is greatly increased when there is a breakdown in communication?

• Reviewed: Giuseppe Bastianini ([13])

Created by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and hook check out, sources offline. Article looks good! PhantomPlugger (talk) 19:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour

• ... that Tema Harbour in Ghana is Africa's largest man-made harbour?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 18:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Paperbark Flycatcher[[14]]

Checked. Ready! I would write Tema Harbour with both words capitalized. -IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 06:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Tema Harbour, or The Tema Harbour? The latter looks odd, and only occurs in one of the 5 websites cited. Hook changed: objection withdrawn Kevin McE (talk) 19:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Islanding

• ... that in spite of real-world tests concluding that the risk is "virtually zero", islanding conditions are still used by utility companies to refuse connection of new distributed generation systems?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Bird Watching, below

• Length, date OK, but the referencing needs work... I gather that one of the other references already given was authored by Verhoeven? Which one? Need to fill in author= -danjel (talk to me) 14:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

It's used in #8. I'm not sure I know what you mean by the author=, I've never used that. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry as in: {{ref |author=}}. -danjel (talk to me) 00:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't used that either. Can you make a sample edit in the page so I can see how to do it? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Bird Watching (magazine)

• ... that Bird Watching magazine sells more copies by subscription than from newsagents?

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Self nom at 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• • The article is good and the hook is refed fine, but I'm not so sure about the hook -- I would wager that the same is true for many specialist magazines. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    • At 761 characters of prose, it's still a stub, well short of the 1500 required. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:01, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks; I wasn't aware of the minimum-length requirement. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
        • For more info on the prose size requirement, see here and here. Use of a tool such as User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js (the most accurate) or User:Dr pda/prosesize.js is recommended for determining prose size. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics

• ... that the Swiss team at the 1960 Summer Paralympics included two athletes, but won four medals?

• Reviewed: White dress of Marilyn Monroe ([15])

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• I made a few minor edits. I have an issue, though: the article is short. The "disability classifications" paragraph really needs to be cut altogether: the subject matter doesn't relate to the subject of the article, and all but the first sentence don't even pertain to these specific Paralympics." In the lead, the sentence starting "Preparations for the Games began..." likewise does not relate to the subject of the article. Then, going through the article I see that half of what is in the Athletics section does not pertain directly to the Swiss participant. Now, if I trim everything that I think is not relevant, I'm left with roughly 1100 characters. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The disability classifications certainly is relevant - it explains what athletes were eligible to compete and explains the naming conventions for the events in which Swiss athletes competed (complete class 5 would be a (more) confusing term without it), the additional info on how later Games participation changed might not be the most relevant but explains to a reader who may only be familiar with the modern Paralympics why they might have seen athletes who are not in wheelchairs competing. "Preparations for the Games began..." explains that the Games were not called the 1960 Paralympics initially, relevant as the article is called "Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics". Discussion of other athletes who won medals in the events of the Swiss competitors is also fine - you wouldn't discuss e.g. a football team's league season without mentioning their opponents would you? I believe there is literally no more to add to the article in terms of length (only 2 Swiss athletes are included in the IPC records) so if you don't wish to pass it as it is there's nothing I can do to change that - Basement12 (T.C) 09:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion that information pertains to the games (and most of it to the following games, not these ones), not to the participation of the Swiss team. But I invite other DYK editors to judge this as well. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Ron Stein

• ... that gold medal winning Paralympian Ron Stein trained with the Chicago White Sox before falling ill with polio?

• Reviewed: 5th (Scottish) Parachute Battalion ([16])

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 16:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go Thelmadatter (talk) 20:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

White dress of Marilyn Monroe

• ... that the white dress which Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction on June 18, 2011?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and references are all good but for such an iconic dress is a more eye-catching hook not possible? Unless the intention would be to save this hook until the day of the auction? Basement12 (T.C) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

For if we save it for the 18th of June: ALT1 "... that the white dress which Marilyn Monroe wore in the 1955 film The Seven Year Itch is up for auction today?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Takoradi Harbour

• ... that the construction of Takoradi Harbour in Ghana began in 1921 and was completed in 1928?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Paperbark Flycatcher[[17]]

• Date, length and hook checks out. Maybe the hook should be a little more eye-catching? - Yk³ talk · contrib 09:43, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
• Scores zero out of 10 on the DYK Lame Index. Who cares? Part of the problem is that no one will have a clue about the two place names, and, well, why shouldn't a harbour take eight years to construct. Go back to the article and assemble something interesting, arresting, punchy. Tony (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that one proposed reason for constructing Takoradi Harbour in Ghana was for it to serve as a naval port for the British empire in times of war?

• Hook checks out. - Yk³ talk · contrib 17:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

This phrasing makes it stand out slightly less, but the definite article looks redundant here, as at Tema Harbour above: we are talking about the harbour at Takoradi, so it is called Takoradi Harbour (no "the") Hook changed: objection withdrawn Kevin McE (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please increase the ratio between low and high value links. It contains links to months e.g. (July), years (e.g. 1895 and 1921), common units (e.g. kilometre and %), integers (e.g. 20 and 600), number names (e.g. million), common currency (e.g. dollar). It has repeat links (e.g. Ghana is linked twice). It has a section heading 'Current state' but after reading the section I don't understand why that is the heading. Lightmouse (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Trisakti shootings

• ... that the killing of four students at Trisakti University eventually led to Indonesian President Suharto resigning?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk), Redyka94 (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 13:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Road Trip (Parks and Recreation) (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Article was created on 22nd not 24th. Suharto is spelt as Soeharto in article., May wish to fix this consistently.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article was moved from userspace on May 24th, although it was created in userspace on May 22nd. I will fix the Soeharto --> Suharto thing; I'm used to the Indonesian spelling, but you are right, we're the English Wikipedia. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Soeharto --> Suharto for all of the in-text stuff. Not changing the book title though. Done. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Ministry of Transport (Ghana)

• ... that over 90% of Ghana's international trade depends on the country's sea ports?

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 12:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Rizal Law [[18]]

• • • — Date, ref, article length all check out. Ready for the Main Page. --Eisfbnore ^talk 02:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Paperbark Flycatcher

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher never uses the "scissors-grinding" call of the closely related Restless Flycatcher?

• Comment: hook picked as it sounds...weird. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by Maias (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 12:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Hall income tax
• Date, length check out well. Hook reference accepted in good faith.-- CrossTempleJay  → talk 14:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The grinding scissors noise might be notable in discussion of the Restless Flycatcher, but has absolutely nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Humans never walk around with their backsides in the air like the closely related chimpanzee, but we don't use that fact as the main piece of data to share about our species. Kevin McE (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The issue was that they were considered the same species until 1999 and look very similar. I just realised the former point is not conveyed and hence the significance is lost. I am ruminating on how to make it more interesting. I just thought the "scissors-grinding" thing was funny....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Casliber. I'm afraid I agree with Kevin McE - "scissors-grinding" is a feature of Restless Flycatcher and has nothing to do with the Paperbark Flycatcher. Sorry. --Philcha (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That's why I suggested the alternate below - more interesting than it sounds as it is highly unusual for a species to be split like this in a first world country. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1

• ... that the Paperbark Flycatcher was only classified as a species distinct from the similar-looking Restless Flycatcher in 1999?

Argentina at the 1960 Summer Paralympics

• ... that all of the medalists for Argentina at the inaugural Paralympic Games were swimmers?

• Reviewed: Erskine Thomason ([19])

Created by Basement12 (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, and hook good. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​^{Don't give up the ship} 01:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• What I've noted above for Switzerland at the 1960 Summer Paralympics applies here as well: trim the "Disability qualifications" (which doesn't pertain here, and all but one sentence doesn't apply to the 1960 Paralympics), and trim the sentence from the lead about how the 1960 Paralympics were prepared (also has no relevance to the Argentinian athletes), and you have an article of less than 1200 characters. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

And what I've said above applies here as well; it is relevant. The sentence in the lead is the one that notes that the Games were not at the time called the Paralympic Games (that designation came later), the disability classification section contains only one sentence not directly relevant to the Argentinian athletes and their events and that explains the differences between which athletes were eligible in 1960 and those eligible in later Games. Again though there is nothing to add to the article due to the limited number of competitors so if you don't like it for DYK as it is there's little that I can do to change the article - Basement12 (T.C) 09:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

For clarity's sake, I'll also repeat what I said above, at Switzerland: in my opinion that information pertains to the games (and most of it to the following games, not these ones), not to the participation of this team. But I invite other DYK editors to judge this as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Jens Bache-Wiig

• ... that Norwegian engineer Jens Bache-Wiig resigned from his position in the International Telephone and Telegraph in protest against the New York head office intervening in his area of responsibility?

5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ministry of Transport (Ghana). --Eisfbnore ^talk 02:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expansion seems correct, Norwegian reference accepted in good faith (seems to cite other sources as well) Cambalachero (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article prose: "Bache-Wig moved to Germany for studying engineering"?

  Hook: not only is it over the limit; it gets 2.5 out of 10 on the DYK Lame Index <sound of gong>. Needs a 6 to pass, in my view. Could his expertise be boosted so his resignation seems a bit more dramatic? (I'm sure it was dramatic at the time, although the article doesn't really give much away on that, and the ref is in Norwegian.) A year would be good.

  ... that Norwegian Jens Bache-Wiig, a former professor of engineering, resigned from his position at IT&T in 1935 in protest against New York head office intervention in his area of responsibility? [197 ch.] Tony (talk) 12:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for spotting out the Norwegianism in the article. Although I don't care too much about your self-invented "DYK Lame Index" not mentioned anywhere in the DYK criteria, I do like your ALT1. Cheers, --Eisfbnore ^talk 17:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Hall income tax

• ... that government revenues from Tennessee's Hall income tax vary by as much as 26 percent from one year to the next?

• Reviewed: Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority (Ghana)

Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• size, date and hook check out. It is a dry article and hook but then it is about income tax...and interesting because of its dryness... :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Can paint dry that slowly? I went to sleep half-way through the article. Perhaps zip it up with a few more words? 179 ch:

  ALT1 ... that revenues from Tennessee's Hall income tax vary by as much as 26 percent from one year to the next, due to the "roller-coaster behavior" of capital gains from investments? Tony (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• But that's the whole point Tony, but your hook is ok too...Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Which bit is the point? Errr ... I feel dumb. Mentioning the "roller-coaster" adds just enough interest to attract a lot more people to the article. Tony (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I agree with Tony1 that the "roller-coaster" adds interest to a very dry article. I read the article very quickly, and think it could be more readable, and this may involve re-structuring so that the rules and the consequent "roller-coaster" effect precede the history of legisation. --Philcha (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  :Yup, and aside: just think what the US economy would be like if its tax system wasn't so fragmented. More articles on economics, please. Tony (talk) 12:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note to chooser - slept on it, agree the roller coaster bit is a good add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Another note to chooser - Use your judgment in choosing a hook. FWIW, other topics I thought about using in crafting a hook were the fact that (1) this is an income tax levied in a state that supposedly doesn't have an income tax and (2) the extreme disparity in revenues distributed to local governments (from 40 cents per capita in Hancock County to $491.68 per capita in Belle Meade). --Orlady (talk) 04:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Voltar (comics)

• ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The hook should be improved under the "Principle of least astonishment". If the text says "comic book", link "comic book", not "Philippine comics" and "comic book"; or reformulate it to make in-text reference to Philipine comics if needed. Similarily, Alfredo Alcala's name should not be pipelinked. You don't need to repeat the quote, stating it in your own words is better. And, now that you are at it, would you mind adding {{Infobox comic book title}} to it? Cambalachero (talk) 02:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Can the hook be:

• ALT 1: ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from Alfredo Alcala's vision?
• ALT 2: ... that Voltar was one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added infobox at article page. - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 3: ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 4: ... that Voltar, an early epic comic book serial, was single-handedly created, written, and illustrated by Alfredo Alcala? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
• ALT 5: ... that Voltar, a 1963 comic book serial from the Philippines, was single-handedly created, written, and illustrated by Alfredo Alcala? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please note that ALT1 and ALT2 mean completely different things from each other. ALT2 says that Voltar was one of the first epic comic books to be a one-person creation by anyone. ALT1 says that it was one of the first epic comic books to be a one-person creation by Alfredo Alcala. If ALT2 is true, it would be a much stronger claim (and thus a better hook) than ALT1, but I haven't looked into that myself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Also note that there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't pipe the link: [[Alfredo Alcala|single creator]]. While such practices may be discouraged (← is that link slightly ironic?) in articles, where you have all the space you need to thoroughly explain everything, this is DYK, where a hook is limited to 200 characters maximum, and such usage is extremely common and accepted. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Please feel welcome to choose the best hook, or even modify it. IMO though, I am for my original hook format? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT 6: ... that Alfredo Alcala's Voltar was described as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:26, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hook 6 seems fine Cambalachero (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. In the infobox it will annoy the readers to see "Alfredo Alcala" printed seven times in a row, like a wallpaper pattern. It's clearly not a team, as the title says. I'd either bin that bit of the infobox and let the main text do its job, or print all of those roles as one, separated by commas, with his name just once. Tony (talk) 12:05, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyedited infobox to only one-time appearance of the creator's name. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Feudal fragmentation

• ... that many European countries suffered from feudal fragmentation in the Middle Ages?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed #Intelligence in Canada
• Fascinating topic, inaccessible hook. Why is "European" linked? And why mention "Middle Ages" when the term doesn't even appear in the article (which would be a better place to link it than here). Can you work in either the probability that it was confined to Europe, not China or the Middle East (for some reason), or that it occurs after the death of ... (see article for remainder of statement). Tony (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• I added the Middle Ages link to the article. I think the links in the hooks are fine, through history of Europe might be a better pipe. I've no prejudice if anybody wants to come with an alt hook, but be aware I may not be able to reply for the next few days. PS. Please be so kind in the future and follow the "Notify nominator of any nomination problems with". This page is not very watchable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Spelling review. I changed 'betweens' to 'between'. MS Word spell checker is your friend. Lightmouse (talk) 07:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• We would actually rather readers went to the subject article first, and to proceed from that focused context to related article via links there, not here. Isn't the point of DYK to get hits on the subject article? The first sentence of the article didn't make sense; I've fixed it in two places (please check). And "from the 12–13th century" isn't good. Does the rest need a run-through?

  So, the hook is still missing a focus of interest. Also, unsure whether "suffered" is NPOV. What about this?

  ALT1 ... that the phenomenon of feudal fragmentation has had a significant impact on European history, particularly during the Middle Ages?

  Needs your expertise on the topic to judge; I know nothing about it. Tony (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Your alt hook is good; I've added ilinks to European history and Middle Ages to make it look less bare (feel free to revert that, but I think hooks look better if they have ilinks). In my experience, hooks are allowed to have ilinks, and often do. PS. Fixed 12-13th century in text, I hope. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Tahōtō

• ... that a many-jewelled pagoda was relocated to Hiroshima in honour of the victims of the atomic bomb?

5x expanded by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce, here, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, size, hook check out. Japanese refs AGF'ed (I also presume that the refs for the hook, text for which is uncited in the Comments column, are covered by the refs in the name Property column). Perhaps Property could be retitled to Name, and refs moved/copied to comments? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK check does not give this as having been expanded 5x. It has only gone from 2734 to 3235 characters in readable prose since May 16. Michitaro (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• The author has been registered less than a month (although they've already created 174 articles) and has just two DYK credits, so this may be confusing, as the file size has been expanded almost ten times. But Michitaro is correct that the prose size has had less than a 1.2x expansion. For an explanation of what doesn't count towards your prose total see here and here. Use of a tool such as User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js (the most accurate) or User:Dr pda/prosesize.js is recommended for determining prose size. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, didn't know the additional rules; nomination withdrawn, and thanks for the links, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 15:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

For clarity's sake, here's the icon. OCNative (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 25

Mystic River Reservation

• ... that the Mystic River Reservation was one of the first nature preserves established in Massachusetts?

Created by Chillowack (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing anything about the Mystic River Reservation on the page of the book used as the hook's reference (all I see are people's and towns' names). If it could be pointed out that'd be helpful. Also, the references need to be cleaned up for this to be WP homepage-worthy (as they are, they're only bare URLs). Length and date creation are fine though. Jrcla2 (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Åbo bloodbath

• ... that two condemned prisoners spared in the Åbo bloodbath also survived the subsequent Linköping bloodbath?

• Reviewed: 1st Filipino Infantry Regiment ([20])

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 10:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nickel Ashmeade

• ... that Jamaican sprinter Nickel Ashmeade beat a former Olympic and World champion in the 100 m and set a meet record at the Ponce Grand Prix in May 2011?

5x expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 09:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Saxon (horse)

• ... that the offspring of the stallion Saxon were the subject of teasing from his owner's brother, resulting in a challenge race that his horse won by four lengths?

Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Nominated by Qrsdogg (talk) at 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Special thanks to Demiurge1000 for coming up with the hook.
• Reviewed First Battle of Newbury Qrsdogg (talk) 00:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I read that a few times without being any the wiser about whether "his horse" meant the horse belonging to the owner or the owner's brother. Perhaps ... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race by four lengths? I know the same word appears either side of a comma, but it is unambiguous. The margin of victory is fairly meaningless if we don't know the distance of the race (or even the tactics of the jockeys: was one horse or the other easing up at the end if the result was already clear?) Kevin McE (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, how about ALT1:... that when his owner's brother criticised the offspring of the stallion Saxon, Saxon's daughter won the resulting challenge race? Qrsdogg (talk) 10:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

William L. Walsh

• ... that provincial judge and future Lieutenant Governor of Alberta William L. Walsh sentenced 18 convicted criminals to hang, earning him the nicnkame, "the Hanging Judge"?

5x expanded by Connormah (talk). Self nom at 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Hans Vogt. Connormah (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Blurb improvements welcome. Thanks. Connormah (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Titanic Musicians' Memorial, Southampton

• ... that the original Titanic Musicians' Memorial in Southampton was

destroyed in World War II and was not replaced for 50 years until the site was redeveloped in 1990. Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• ... that the Titanic Musicians' Memorial in Southampton features the opening bars of a 19th century hymn, 'Nearer, My God, to Thee', which was played by the orchestra as the ship went down.

Created by Marek69 (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Boo Harvey

• ... that during his senior season at St. John's, basketball player Boo Harvey hit three buzzer-beating, game-winning shots?

• Reviewed: Alfred Byrd Graf

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 15:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length, hook and sourcing check out. Argyle 4 Life^talk 20:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Marjan Bojadziev

• ... that Marjan Bojadziev was CEO of the Makedonska banka from 1999 to 2004?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 09:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Article is currently at AfD. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sissy's Magical Ponycorn Adventure

• ... that the video game Sissy's Magical Ponycorn Adventure was created by designer Ryan Creighton and his five-year old daughter Cassie, who created the illustrations and dialogue?

Created by New Age Retro Hippie (talk). Self nom at 08:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hans Vogt (composer)

• ... that Hans Vogt, born 100 years ago, composed an opera based on Hermann Kasack's novel Die Stadt hinter dem Strom which premiered at the Internationale Maifestspiele Wiesbaden in 1955?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed #Isabella Psalter, Queen Mary Psalter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

- Date, length, hook looks all good to go. Connormah (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

• ... that Volkswagen's new Chattanooga Assembly Plant is built near the remaining storage bunker of a plant that manufactured up to 30 million pounds of TNT per month for the Second World, Korean and Vietnamese wars?

5x expanded by 842U (talk). Self nom at 02:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

Date, length, hook all good to go. I have tweaked the hook for simplicity and to avoid being misleading; the 30 mill figure only appears to apply to the Vietnam era, so we might as well just limit it to that, as the simpler hook will draw in more readers anyway. I think this reduction is also needed to make it in under the 200-char hook limit. Feel free to revert, though, if you feel I've overstepped my bounds. Cheers Khazar (talk) 06:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Grammar check. I replaced a reversed clause:

• Near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County, the facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park.

with

• The facility was constructed on 1,400 acres of the 6,000 acre Enterprise South Industrial Park near the Hiwassee River in Bradley County.

Units check. I added metric units.

I hope those changes kept the referencing the same. Please check. Lightmouse (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ARTICLE: I missed your comment and was just about to ask suspiciously whether the conversion was provided: so glad you did it in square km (Lightmouse and I never reached confluence about acres and conversions: it's a messy issue). Why can't the acres be in square miles? Who in the US can visualise what 6,000 acres looks like?

"Site and design": paragraphing could easily be made less choppy.

"automobiles" could be "cars" subsequently, couldn't it? Rather old-fashioned term nowadays.

LEED ... the link should be for the first occurrence, and it goes to a dab page. I'm working hard to get to the right article: is it Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design? If so, can't that be the theme of the hook?

NOMINATOR: I checked your page to see whether you might be a company employee ... no. Many of your previous DKY hooks are much better than this one: nice work.

HOOK: I assumed this was in India. Could we have "Tennessee", too? It's insufferably boring to learn that the new plant is near a storage bunker. The rest of the hook doesn't quite save it from this flattener. The hook is 15 over the limit.

ALT1 ... that Volkswagen's new "aggressive" pursuit of the internationally recognized LEED green building certification in its new Tennessee assembly plant resulted in a silver rating? [179 ch.]

They did actually receive it, I see, but only for some things, and only a silver. So it's partly company spin. The article needs more refs like that one I found. Look, I'm unsure now about the angle this has taken. But if you can make something NPOV of it, that would be a good alternative to the long chain of distant links to the war points in the original. (PS "Second World ...... wars" doesn't work.) Tony (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

NOTE: VW did NOT get LEED Silver for the Chattanooga plant, according to the reference... they got LEED Silver for their Herndon office building. So out goes ALT 1. 842U (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Tony about jettisoning the awkward "Second, Korean" construction (which also puts the hook over the char. limit, but I have to disagree that the building's environmental rating is "hookier" to a general audience than the TNT bunker. Perhaps it's just my personal interest in explosions. =) Khazar (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 looks good, but I think that LEED may need to be wikilinked to Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design. Not everyone will get it; most may not, to be honest. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Can it be simplified to tons of TNT rather than pounds? Lightmouse (talk) 17:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Units check. I've edited it again so the newly added square foot value has a conversion. To User:842U, you may wish to learn how to use the convert template, or try copying it. Lightmouse (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I'll look into the convert template. The LEED ALT 1 doesn't work for several reasons: the supposed source (above) refers to the wrong building, and besides, it would be pretty bland; a lot of buildings meet Silver LEED criteria. But the TNT connection is suggestive of a connection to VW's early history, WWII, etc. No, I'm not a VW employee, but still was working to make sure I found a hook that was informational rather than promotional. As many DYK articles as I've nominated, I've never had so much conversation about the hook! 842U (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Soledad Reyes

• ... that Soledad Reyes is a distinguished and recognized Philippine literature scholar and critic?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Is there a more interesting hook we could use here? This one is a bit basic. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that Soledad Reyes's Nobelang Tagalog 1905-1975: Tradisyon at Modernismo, an anthology of Tagalog-language novels, is considered as a landmark in Philippine literature? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:48, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed the article: Nadira Isayeva - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:21, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Manal al-Sharif

• ... that Saudi Arabian women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif was arrested after a video of her driving a car was posted on YouTube and Facebook?

Reviewed: Einar Hoffstad

Created by Ibnadem (talk) and (Boud) (talk). Nominated by Khazar (talk) at 21:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• , article checks out alright, good size. Quite good on the referencing. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 03:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Strictly speaking, the proposed text is... WP:OR - sorry :P. A small change should be enough to make this consistent with the RS's and remove the OR:
  • ... that Saudi Arabian women's rights activist Manal al-Sharif was arrested after a video of herself driving a car was posted on YouTube and Facebook?
  • Explanation: There's no RS (AFAIK) stating who actually posted the video on FB and Twitter, and it's probably not central to the topic, even though it might be important in the legal case of whether she was deliberately inciting other women to coordinated political activity etc. Also, at least in the article as it is at the moment, the specific reasons for arrest are not stated. There are some claimed reasons in some of the RS, but this starts getting more complicated, because from one side there are the informal reasons stated by authorities to the press, there might be formal reasons within the Saudi legal system which may or may not be accurately reported in the press, and then there are common sense interpretations by e.g. Amnesty International or by newspapers (e.g. "might spark off a Saudi Arab spring revolution = real reason for being arrested"). The chronology between posting the video and being arrested is a fairly hard fact - the reasons for the arrest are softer, even if they can easily be guessed by the reader using common sense, and can potentially be added to the article, but it would/will require more work by Wikipedians. For this DYK, IMHO the safest thing is to stick to the hard facts that are already sourced in the article.
  • i support the nomination, though as a major contributor, i don't know if this counts for anything. i think the link to the women's rights in KSA article is especially nice because the Wikipedians working on that article have clearly put a huge amount of work into it, including what seem to have been some difficult discussions. Boud (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Another correction: the first link should be Saudi Arabian to avoid a redirect. Boud (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Or what about a pipe to Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia? Could you make it "her" instead of "herself"? Tony (talk) 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Changes made. Thanks to both. Khazar (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Ummm... Khazar: Probably you missed what i meant here, so unwikified it's: [[Saudi Arabia|Saudi Arabian]] - there's an article about the country but (at least so far), no separate article about the people of that country. Also, i think you missed one of Tony's suggestions. Regarding Tony's suggestion of changing from a pipe to the women's rights in KSA article to the human rights in KSA article, it's not an easy choice. i would tend to think the women's rights article is more appropriate, because it's a wide enough subject that many readers will only have a vague idea about, so linking to an even wider subject - HR in KSA in general - may lose the reader's attention. To explain by exaggeration: [[woman|Women's]] [[rights]] in Saudi Arabia would clearly be too wide a pair of topics. On the other hand, the women's rights in KSA article has a "see also" link to the HR in KSA article, while the HR article has a section and "main" crosslink to the women's rights article. Both articles have 2011 protests related minor updates. Either could be justified content-wise and could retain readers' and (especially...) editors' interest. Boud (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, thought I had gotten that link piping, but I must have blanked on it--it should be fixed now. I'd also prefer the women's rights linking to the human rights linking, but if others agree with Tony, feel free to change. And Boud, you know much more about this one than me, so please do feel free to directly edit--not only will I not be offended, I'll downright appreciate it. Cheers, Khazar (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Louis Theroux: Miami Mega Jail

• ... that after visiting Miami County Jail in his documentary Miami Mega Jail, Louis Theroux told The Sun newspaper that "it's a bit like walking through a zoo"?

5x expanded by Doh5678 (talk). Self nom at 20:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: #Eugene Linden (conductor)

The article does not meet this criteria: DYK is only for articles that have been created, or expanded fivefold or more, or newly-sourced BLPs that have been expanded at least twofold within the last 5 days.

Comment. Article was nominated on the 25th, DYK check sees 5x expansion on the 22nd. That is 5 days or less... Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Highgrove House, Eastcote

• ... that the future British prime minister Winston Churchill stayed at Highgrove House in Eastcote for his honeymoon?

Created by Harrison49 (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: HD 154672 b

• Length, date and hook all check out. Assume good faith for offline source. --Eisfbnore ^talk 20:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

HD 154672 b, HD 154672

• ... that, if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit?

5x expanded by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 19:32, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad --Starstriker7^(Talk) 19:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Could I add a second article as well?

ALT1: ... that, , if extrasolar planet HD 154672 b has water in its atmosphere, the water probably changes from a liquid to a gas regularly as the planet makes its orbit around its host star? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 22:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1 also checks out. Harrison49 (talk) 23:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

We are told that the "equilibrium temperature of the planet varies between 300 K and 600 K" (27 to 327 C so ostensibly either side of boiling point of water as we know it), but if I remember my O level physics, boiling point depends of temperature and pressure: without data about atmospheric pressure on the planet, the temperature range means nothing in terms of volatility of putative liquids. Kevin McE (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Kevin McE if this is original research. However, if cited that should be fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Love the hook; agree with Crisco. Tony (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Bolo Pasha

• ... that a Frenchman with an Egyptian name Bolo Pasha, an alleged German agent, was convicted and executed with the help of evidence collected by the US Justice Department? Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk) at 22:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC) Self nom at 22:26, 25 May 2011

• Reviewed: John's Children ([21])

Everything checks out, a most fascinating and interesting historical article. ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Badly overlinked; why not keep just Bolo Pasha, and possibly the Justice Dept, but can't they get that from the article you want them to click on? I'm all for funnelling the readers in DYK.

The hook lacks a focus of interest, and my head is spinning trying to imagine the context (hooks should generally make sense by themselves). Executed in which country, when? Tony (talk) 13:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Could you please suggest an alternative hook? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 22:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Higford Davall Burr, Anne-Margaretta Burr

• ... that Daniel and Anne-Margaretta Burr's eldest son, Higford, took an ancestor's surname – and was known as Higford Higford?

Created by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 17:36, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: #Cottage Home Historic District (diff). matt (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Date on Daniel is the 25th, Anne-Margaretta is 24th. Length checks out. Hook is good, and I added the specific text about him being known as Higford Higford which is sourced ok, and quite funny. He must have really liked that name. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 12:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

2011 Slave Lake wildfire

• ... that the 2011 Slave Lake wildfire caused the evacuation of all 7,000 of Slave Lake's residents?

Created by Resolute (talk). Nominated by Doh5678 (talk) at 17:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed The Green Men

• hook, length, date, check out perfectly. And interesting, always a bonus! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:15, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• hahaha! I was going to nominate this myself when I had it finished. I am in the process of adding sections and greater detail, all of which will be sourced and ready before any main page date. Resolute 01:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Units check: It says 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) and 100 kilometres per hour (62 mph) which is probably excessive precision. Try '15 kilometres (9 mi)' and '100 kilometres per hour (60 mph)'.

It says 105,000 hectares (260,000 acres) and 500 hectares (1,200 acres). Consider large units for large quantities '1,050 square kilometres (410 sq mi)' and '5 square kilometres (1.9 sq mi)' to simplify the reader's task of visualising.

It uses a time format like '1:30 PM', use lower case 'pm'.

• Spelling check: It says 'The Town of' which should be 'The town of'. It says 'Royal Canadian Mounted Police' in one paragraph and 'RCMP' much later and some readers won't know the abbreviation without being told. Make a connection between the two forms.

It says government had issues such an order which should be 'government had issued such an order'.

It says evacuation of 800-900 people. User:Tony may wish to review the article for hyphens and dashes.

Lightmouse (talk) 08:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

All fixed except the suggested conversion to square km which, in my opinion, makes it less visual rather than more visual. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Wind speeds of 100 km/h are only approximate so I edited the precision down from 62 to 60 mph. I also added spaces before 'pm'. Lightmouse (talk) 17:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• So is the fire "ongoing" as the infobox says, or isn't it? If so, why is plain past tense used throughout the article, and in the hook? (Or will the news people on the main page complain?) Was it in Mongolia?

  ALT1... that the devastating 2011 Slave Lake wildfire in Canada has caused the evacuation of all 7,000 of Slave Lake's residents? [125 ch.] Tony (talk) 13:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes and no. Technically, the wildfire is still burning (but under control), but as the article focuses on the impact of the fire to Slave Lake itself, I have placed an end date to the fire within town itself. This would match the past-tense style of the article. Resolute 17:40, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Irish Uruguayan

• ... that the Shannon Irish pub in Montevideo often features performances by the Celtic band Grianan, which is led by Conrad O'Neill, a fourth-generation Irish Uruguayan?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 15:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Trisakti shootings♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Currently at the AfD. Has been moved to Cuisine of Montevideo, so it will need a new hook if kept. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Or is the Doctor planning on nominating Irish Uruguayan, seeing as the redirect points there? Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Try that.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful. Just need a review now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go! Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The Green Men

• ... that the Green Men wear green spandex suits while annoying the player(s) who sit inside the opposing team's penalty box during Vancouver Canucks games?

Created by K. Annoyomous (talk). Self nom at 09:54, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length good, date good, hook cited. Good to go! Doh5678 Talk 16:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

John's Children

• ... that Orgasm is a fake live album John's Children recorded in the studio with overdubbed screams taken from The Beatles's Hard Day's Night soundtrack?

• Reviewed: Benjamin Vulliamy ([22])
• Comment: DYKcheck reports no 5x expansion, but this is because it is including 996 characters of text in the Discography section in this revision which is not prose (it should have been bulleted). If you exclude 996 characters from that revision, 5x expansion has been achieved. —Bruce1ee^talk 09:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

5x expanded by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• verified.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:23, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Eriocampa tulameenensis

• ... that the fossil sawfly species Eriocampa tulameenensis was found along the Canadian Pacific rail line near Princeton, British Columbia?

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 07:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Manipur Bush Rat

• Looks good. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Lysimachia iniki

• ... that the rare Hawaiian plant Lysimachia iniki (pictured), discovered in 1992, was named for Hurricane Iniki?

• Reviewed: Tema Harbour

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

errr ... can you give a bit more? Why should the reader be interested in this association? Tony (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, I found it interesting that a plant would be named after a hurricane. Plants are usually not named after hurricanes. True, not everyone would find that very interesting, but a DYK doesn't need to be mind-blastingly fascinating to all. Cheers, IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Here's one mine of interest in the article: "This plant was discovered in 1992, shortly after Hurricane Iniki tore a specimen off the tall cliffs above Kauai's Wailua River and dropped bits of it where it could be collected." Too wordy, but take the gem and/or seek other interest in the last paragraph. Tony (talk) 13:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the rare Hawaiian plant Lysimachia iniki (pictured) was named for Hurricane Iniki after the cyclone aided in its 1992 discovery?

How about that? --Errant ^(chat!) 00:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Augustów roundup

• ... that the 1945 Augustów roundup which resulted in the disappearance and likely murder of about 600 Polish citizens by the Soviet Union is considered the largest crime committed in Poland after World War II?

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 01:00, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed #Tahōtō

• Expansion, date and refs check out, verified through Google Translate. One quibble though, the date is not really necessary in the title: dates are added for disambiguation, and there was no other "Augustów roundup". The Polish name does not include a date either. Constantine ✍ 09:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good point, I moved the article to Augustów roundup and corrected the hook. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Assembly of French Citizens Abroad

• ... that members of the Assembly of French Citizens Abroad are elected by constituents in electoral districts located across the globe?

Created by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 09:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Takoradi Harbour ([23])

Length, newness check out. The refs are almost all from the same source, but I don't believe that this conflicts with DYK requirements. My only concern is that I didn't find the hook explicitly stated or cited in the article. Perhaps you could revise the hook to include the 70 country tidbit? Alternatively, you could write your hook into the article, making sure that the new information is directly cited. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 19:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

It's here: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad#Members; and quotes almost directly from the source. Additional info on the electoral districts is here: Assembly of French Citizens Abroad#Elections (also directly cited). - Yk³ talk · contrib 19:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. Clearly, I need more sleep... :P

Okay, you are good to go here. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 22:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I am saddened that this is not 8 days younger because this hook would be perfect for Bastille Day, but it's 8 days beyond the six-week limit for articles to be held in the DYK Special Occasion Holding Area. OCNative (talk) 12:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Daddles

• ... that Daddles the duck would "accompany" batsmen on their way to the pavilion after being dismissed for a duck?

Created by Dweller (talk). Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk) at 18:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed 2011 Slave Lake fire here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length good, date good, hook cited. Good to go! Doh5678 Talk 18:51, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The cartoon duck did not accompany anyone. It was on TV screens, not on the pitch alongside the player. Inaccurate language is not becoming of an encyclopaedia. Kevin McE (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. It would accompany the batsman, from the perspective of the TV viewer. What if it were amended to "Daddles, an animated duck..." Obviously, if we're talking "animated", we're talking about through a televisual medium... --Dweller (talk) 22:05, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The TV viewers' perspective is not reality. insert in television coverage and you remove the obfuscation of facts. I don't think animated does that: a duck with an adrenaline boost might be considered animated. Kevin McE (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, the main page currently has "that having "killed" her alter ego Sasha Fierce in 2010, Beyoncé Knowles planned to create her own mix of music genres with her fourth studio album, 4?", which clearly isn't reality either, Beyonce didn't kill anyone, but the quote marks seems to adjust the perspective. So I've added quote marks to the hook. I think our readers can get it from there. Making a hook interesting enough to get the reader clicking on the link is the key to DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That looks a good compromise. --Dweller (talk) 08:53, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 26

Albie Grant

• ... that Albie Grant is the only Long Island Blackbirds men's basketball player to average 20+ points and 10+ rebounds for his career?

• Reviewed: Mystic River Reservation

Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 16:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Warqenah Eshate

• ... that after being carried away from Ethiopia by British solders of the 1868 Expedition to Abyssinia, upon returning 32 years later Warqenah Eshate was recognized by his grandmother, who identified scars on his arms and legs hidden under his clothing?

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Animation Council of the Philippines, Inc. and Animahenasyon

• … that the ACPI-sponsored Animahenasyon is an annual animation festival in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History

• ... that the annual winner of the Charles A. Lindbergh Chair in Aerospace History may receive as much as $100,000?

• Reviewed: George W. Gregory ([24])

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 02:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ref, length, and hook seems fine. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas

• ... that the Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas is the largest organization of writers in the Philippines?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:08, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I reviewed the article: Palestine Railways H class - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 1: ... that the Unyon ng mga Manunulat sa Pilipinas is the largest organization of Filipino writers? - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Parson Capen House

• ... that the Parson Capen House in Topsfield, Massachusetts was built in a style that reminded homesick immigrants of homes in England?

5x expanded by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 01:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Fontenelle Dam. Qrsdogg (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nazi talking dogs

• ... that Nazi scientists tried to teach dogs to communicate with humans in order to serve in Schutzstaffel?

• Reviewed: Marine technology ([25])

Created by Mbz1 (talk) and by Invertzoo (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Hook, length, and ref seems ok to me. However the "SS" part when first seen is really a big what is that - can we use the full name of the "SS"? Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• OK I have changed it for the full name.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I think your hook needs a quick proofread. How about ALT1 ... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the Schutzstaffel? Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I knew it needs a proofread :-). I am OK with the alternative.Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, length and date checks out. Information is clearly cited. Note for expansion: you will need a bigger variety of sources. Fine for DYK though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:36, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the issue AnakngAraw brings up, wouldn't the abbreviation "SS" be more widely recognized than the full name "Schutzstaffel"? Ucucha 11:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I think so too, actually. It would make the hook even more interesting, even though it would be piped. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

This is one of the funniest articles I've seen in quite a while. In light of the above discussion (I've also piped Nazi to Nazi Germany), how about
ALT2:... that Nazi scientists tried to make dogs communicate with humans to serve in the SS?
or perhaps, the more succinct:
ALT3:... that Hitler's scientists tried to get Nazi talking dogs to serve in the SS? OCNative (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if it's in the article yet, but that main source could be cited for this:

ALT4 "... that Nazi scientists claimed to have made a dog call Adolf Hitler "Mein Führer".

This can get wacky... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I can't stop laughing. These hooks would all be perfect for April Fool's Day...if they weren't all completely true! I love all these hooks. (I did wikilink Führer in ALT4.) It's too bad we can't proclaim Nazi Talking Dog Day and then use WP:IAR to run all of these Nazi talking dog hooks on DYK. OCNative (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Totally agreed... Any admins feeling puckish? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I am happy you're having fun with this DYK nomination :-) I like alt4 the best, and how about ALT5 "... that Rolf the dog from Nazi talking dog's experiment expressed his wish to join Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen? --Mbz1 (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Note to self: Shouldn't have read that hook at 11 p.m. Beautiful! Although, for verifiability sakes, it may have to be ALT6 "... that Rolf, a dog from Nazi talking dog experiments, reportedly expressed his wish to join Wehrmacht because he did not like Frenchmen?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

After all, it isn't definite. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, perhaps we can nominate this to be worked on and improved for the April Fools FA Article... Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it will have stiff competition from Pigeon photography :) Qrsdogg (talk) 17:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Palestine Railways H class

• ... that the last standard gauge steam locomotive in use in Israel was a Palestine Railways H class 4-6-0 that Baldwin Locomotive Works built for the British army's Palestine Military Railway in 1920 and Israel Railways withdrew in 1960?

Created by Motacilla (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Where is the new article Palestine Railways H class in the hook? The hook is linked to "Palestine Railways#Palestine Military Railway|Palestine Military Railway". Need action please. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good point - sorry! I've now revised the wording (see above). Is this better?

I forgot to use the template that includes an image. The article has a photo; how can I add it to the nomination retrospectively? The photo will not be very clear when reduced to tDYK humbnail size but it should be recognisable as an old steam train at an old station. Also the sepia colour of the print would emphasise the sense of age. Motacilla (talk) 11:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Fruta Fresca

• ... that the number-one song "Fruta Fresca" by Carlos Vives was named a "bridge" between tropical and pop music?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 00:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed: Paul Kamara. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:54, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length OK. Hook source says the song "bridged" tropical and pop music. Not exactly what the hook says, but close enough for me. If others see that as problematic, feel free to chime in. Cbl62 (talk) 01:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Digital: A Love Story

• ... that Digital: A Love Story has been described as a memorable and thought-provoking indie video game and love story?

• Reviewed: List of places of worship in Arun + 4 others ([[26]])
• Comment: 5X expanded; popped it out of a sandbox today.

5x expanded by PresN (talk). Self nom at 23:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• mind sticking that in quotes just so we don't look like spammers? ;p. Ironholds (talk) 23:29, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know... the hook doesn't quite grab my attention. What about this alt --Errant ^(chat!) 23:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

ALT1... that the indie video game Digital: A Love Story is set "five minutes into the future of 1988"

Bill Yates (footballer)

• ... that professional footballer Bill Yates also played Minor counties cricket for Buckinghamshire?

Created by Argyle 4 Life (talk), AssociateAffiliate (talk), WFCforLife (talk). Self nom at 19:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Boo Harvey. [27] Argyle 4 Life^talk 20:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Date, length and references verified. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

St Denys's Church, Sleaford

• ... that St Deny's Church, Sleaford (pictured) has one of the oldest stone broach spires in England and an altar rail designed by Sir Christopher Wren?

5x expanded by ErrantX (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Article is technically expanded from a small piece of content (500B) from Sleaford - but is basically written from scratch. I tagged it as expanded to avoid controversy :) --Errant ^(chat!) 17:20, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed #Non-intervention in the Spanish Civil War --Errant ^(chat!) 17:33, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and facts verified. Nice work, but some cleanup and additions would further enhance it—in particular, an infobox and a current pic of the whole building (although being in the market place, it's probably hard to photograph...). As it features in Simon Jenkins' book, perhaps add some material from there as well. I can do an infobox if you like. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:10, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm waiting for a copy of Jenkin's book to come to the local library :) don't have a copy, I just know it is mentioned in there. Infobox - don't mind, architecture articles tend not to have them & my personal preference is against (there isn't much to go in in this case) but if you want to add one feel free :) --Errant ^(chat!) 23:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Non-intervention in the Spanish Civil War

• ... that Joachim von Ribbentrop suggested the Non-Intervention Committee would have been better called the "Intervention Committee"?

• Reviewed: Nikolai Semenovich Kurnakov ([28])

5x expanded by Grandiose (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Length checks out, as does expansion & the hook is cited. The only comment I have is that it might be worth trying to make the hook show he was criticising. --Errant ^(chat!) 17:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Would "might as well have been called" be justified? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I reckon so :) --Errant ^(chat!) 00:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That would be

• ... that Joachim von Ribbentrop suggested the Non-Intervention Committee might as well have been called the "Intervention Committee"?

We'll leave the approver/drafter as a second opinion. Personally, I think it's justified, given the obvious dig Ribbentrop was making. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 07:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nadira Isayeva

• ... that Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva called her 2010 trial "a test for the institution of press freedom" in Dagestan?

• ALT1... that the prosecution of Russian journalist Nadira Isayeva was built primarily on psychological and linguistic examinations?

Reviewed:Volkswagen Chattanooga Assembly Plant

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:32, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Both refs 1 and 5 for both hooks verified and seems reliable. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Tweaked ALT1 just now, but I prefer the original hook in any case. Khazar (talk) 04:04, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Savage Love: Straight Answers from America's Most Popular Sex Columnist

• ... that when Dan Savage's book Savage Love was published, his advice column of the same name had 4 million readers?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 03:16, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Manal al-Sharif. -- Cirt (talk) 03:18, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Reference appears to check out, wikilinks seem appropriate, length is fine, article is well-written. On a side note, I've been seeing Savage mentioned at an uncommon frequency. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Marine technology

• ... that marine technology involves other technologies that may either safeguard or exploit the marine environment?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

•  Comment: could you please review another editor DYK and add diff to your nomination? Otherwise the article is good to go. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yep, will do two reviews soon. I have another nom somewhere. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Ok here's a review for this one. I reviewed the article: Nazi talking dogs - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Skipping Towards Gomorrah

• ... that Dan Savage indulged in the seven deadly sins during research for his book Skipping Towards Gomorrah?

5x expanded by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Bolo Pasha. -- Cirt (talk) 01:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Links check out; hook is the subtitle.--Wetman (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Jones's wood

• ... that Jones's Wood, a wooded estate on the island of Manhattan overlooking the East River, was touted as a site for what became Central Park?

Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• Note: I reviewed Skipping Towards Gomorrah.--Wetman (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
• Print ref accepted, size and hook verified. Coordinates for the general area would be a nice addition.Acroterion (talk) 03:36, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Rose Bay Secondary College

• ... that a number of highly gifted primary school (elementary school) aged students attend Rose Bay Secondary College for a day a week across a school term to undertake advanced studies in a number of areas?

5x expanded by Danjel (talk). Self nom at 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• With thanks to User:Kudpung for copyediting the final draft.
• DYK Check seems to be inaccurately reporting the expansion (at least here). So, to make sure... The previous edit was: Prose size (text only): 1263 characters (204 words); the new version is: Prose size (text only): 8978 characters (1448 words). -danjel (talk to me) 13:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Islanding [[29]] and Charles Edward Keyser [[30]]. -danjel (talk to me) 14:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

First Battle of Newbury

• ...that the First Battle of Newbury has been described as "both the longest battle of the English Civil War and the one that historians have found the greatest difficulty in describing"? Ironholds (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  Reviewed Digital: A Love Story.

• Length, date, and hook are all fine. AGF on offline references. (great edit summary) Qrsdogg (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 27

The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant

• ... that the book The Kid by Dan Savage was optioned for television by Robin Williams and also adapted into an Off-Broadway musical?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: I reviewed Olaf Alfred Hoffstad. -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Olaf Alfred Hoffstad

• ... that Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad taught at Sandefjord Upper Secondary School for almost 43 years?

• ALT1:... Norwegian botanist and politician Olaf Alfred Hoffstad served as Major of Sandefjord the longest time any person not born in the city ever had served?

Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 15:52, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed George Tyler Wood below. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:06, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
• , size checks out, referencing is meticulous, offline ref accepted in good faith. -- Cirt (talk) 16:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• You are welcome! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Damo and Ivor

• ... that Damo and Ivor are the same person?

Alt1... that Irish comedy duo Damo and Ivor are the same person?

Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I prefer the orginal, its nice and snappy and slightly mysterious but put up ALT1 in case the original is too short. GainLine ♠ _♥ 15:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

My 25th DYK all going well! : ) GainLine ♠ _♥ 12:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Lysimachia asperulifolia

Good to go, I prefer the first hook as well. Congratulations on you soon-to-be 25th DYK! jonkerz♠ 17:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

George Tyler Wood

• ...that Texas Governor George Tyler Wood resigned his elected office at the beginning of the Mexican-American War to command a military unit?

• Reviewed: Eurypterus ([31])

5x expanded by Allen3 (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• - 5x expansion verified, date ok, but the hook needs an inline citation. --Eisfbnore ^talk 16:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Redundant citation added for reviewer unable to understand how two contiguous sentences can be sourced to a single citation.[32] --Allen3 ^talk 17:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Wildlife of Tanzania

• ... that the wildlife of Tanzania includes some plant species unique to Tanzania, such as the African violet (pictured)?

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT I hook ...that the Crowned crane (pictured) found in all game-viewing locations in the wildlife of Tanzania is the national bird of Tanzania?--Nvvchar. 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Moved from my user page to main space today.--Nvvchar. 08:41, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• User:Dr. Blofeld is also joint contributor.--Nvvchar. 12:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Added Dr. Blofeld to your nom. OCNative (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

MTV Unplugged: Los Tigres del Norte and Friends

• ... that a live album released by the band Los Tigres del Norte was named "historic" for the Mexican culture?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 06:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Paul Kamara

• ... that award-winning journalist Paul Kamara has also been a priest, a cabinet minister, and the manager of Sierra Leone's national football team?

Reviewed:2011 Manhattan terrorism plot

Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 06:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Good to go. Jaespinoza (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Vivienne Osborne

• ... that after Vivienne Osborne appeared in the Flo Zeigfeld musical The Three Musketeers, Douglas Fairbanks Sr. asked her to appear in his Musketeer film sequel, the The Iron Mask?

• Comment: reviewed From Dust [33] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Created by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Short by 467 characters of prose, according to DYKCheck. Meph^talk 04:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Now at 1537.[34] Thanks for the good eyes. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Recheck the hook for close paraphrasing. Meph^talk 06:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Article re-organized for flow and close paraphrasing addressed. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ...that Vivienne Osborne was offered a role in Douglas Fairbanks's last silent film, the Musketeer film sequel The Iron Mask, following her earlier role in the Flo Zeigfeld musical The Three Musketeers?

Ready. Meph^talk 08:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

From Dust

• ... that French video game creator Eric Chahi studied volcanology, and in 2005 a visit to an active volcano inspired him to design From Dust?

5x expanded by Mephistophelian (talk). Self nom at 02:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• 6.5x + Expansion good. Okay to go as soon a nominator reviews one himself. He's been notified.[35] Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:19, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Nom reviewed #Vivienne Osborne, and helped create a better hook. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 08:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to improve the hook further, before it goes live. If anyone else has any additional feedback, I'd be grateful. Thank you. Meph^talk 04:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. As it waits to cycle, you'll have plenty of time. :) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest cutting the "with Ubisoft as its publisher"--less interesting info that dilutes the punch of the rest. Very nice hook on the whole, though. Khazar (talk) 07:05, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1...that French video game creator Eric Chahi studied volcanology, and an inspirational visit to an active volcano led him to start designing the game From Dust in 2005?

Is the alt. version an improvement? Meph^talk 08:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Terunobu Fujimori

• ... that the towers of architect Terunobu Fujimori's Lamune Onsen have pine trees planted on the apex of their roofs ?

Created by Kenchikuben (talk). Self nom at 14:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Do not nominate new articles for a special time in this section. Instead, please nominate them in the candidate entries section above under the date the article was created or the expansion began, and indicate your request for a specially-timed appearance on the Main Page.

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual. Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination, but no more than six weeks before the occasion. April Fools' Day is an exception to these requirements - see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.

May 30 (U.S. Memorial Day)

1st Filipino Infantry Regiment

• ... that there was a segregated Filipino Infantry Regiment during World War II?

5x expanded by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self nom at 15:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed:2011 CDC warning about zombie apocalypse. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

• Suggest ALT1:... that the 1st Filipino Infantry Regiment was one of the segregated American regiments during World War II? Qrsdogg (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

That can also work, however the regiment is not very well known outside those who study the History of Filipino Americans. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• suggest : everything checks out except the expansion date, which fails the 5-day rule. However, since the article is new (created 12 May) and commendably well sourced, which explains the delay in nomination, I opt for applying an extended Swahili rule here. Prefer ALT1. Skäpperöd (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm fine with ALT1, but if RightCowLeftCoast would prefer (and Qrsdogg does not object), here's another ALT:
  ALT2:... that there was a segregated Filipino Infantry Regiment (insignia pictured) in the United States Army during World War II?
  On a completely different note, I'm saddened that there is no DYK hook specifically for U.S. Memorial Day (May 30, 2011, three days from now), so I was wondering if RightCowLeftCoast would be interested in sending this to the Special Occasion Holding Area to be run on May 30 (no obligation, of course, but it would be nice to have something that day). OCNative (talk) 11:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• Great idea, but we'd have to move fast. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I am fine with ALT1, if the community believes it better than my first hook.

I would be pleased if the article is used as one of the hooks for Memorial Day.

On a different topic, perhaps such articles as the Medal of Honor or Tomb of the Unknown Soldier should by the featured articles for U.S. Memorial Day? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 12:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Medal of Honor is ineligible as it's already been featured previously. The Tomb of the Unknowns article has not reached the standards required for a Featured Article. Also, anyone have any thoughts on ALT2? OCNative (talk) 12:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I prefer it. It focuses more on the article. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I have no objections to ALT2, looks fine to me. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

OK then, this is good to go with ALT2 for May 30, Memorial Day in the United States. Also, added "(insignia pictured)" to the ALT. OCNative (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2 (Feast of the Ascension)

Ascension of Jesus in Christian art

• ... that the depictions of the Ascension of Jesus in Christian art (example pictured) are often divided into an upper (heavenly) and lower (earthly) part?

• Reviewed: 1926 FA Cup Final

Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Here is the G-book link for the hook (is also in the article). History2007 (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: will be appropriate for Feast of the Ascension, June 2, 2011. History2007 (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

the hook, date, length, references all check out so I'll pass this for DYK. Now, as for some feedback on the article, you don't "usually" need sources for the info in the lead. The idea is that the info in the lead should be an overview of information in the article. Also consolidate some of your sources when you get a chance, I see some repeats in there (see citation pages on Wiki for the html templates). But theses are all suggestions for GA status or B-class rating. I also moved you up to a C-class rating for you because it is a good article and well written. look forward to seeing it on the front page, Cheers! Kayz911 (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

• Interest factor is not bad (6.5 on the the DYK Lame Index). Tony (talk) 12:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

June 5

Marga T, Badai Pasti Berlalu (novel), Badai Pasti Berlalu (film), Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), Badai Pasti Berlalu (song)

• ... that Marga T's novel, Badai Pasti Berlalu, spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Mark Edward (diff), Sanjak of Prizren (diff), Voalavo (diff), and San Cristóbal de las Casas (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, if possible could we have it for June 5th (when the novel started its original run as a serial in Kompas)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Length, date and sources verified. Good to go.mauchoeagle _(c) 00:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

How about the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest you not do that, putting hooks on a special day is reserved only for special occasions. `mauchoeagle _(c)

Alright. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The definition of "special occasion" is generally construed broadly for DYK, so as long as its within six weeks, it's fine, so I've moved this to the special occasion holding area. It's too bad there isn't a Badai Pasti Berlalu play, as with five articles in a single hook, you can make the DYK Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I 5x'd Marga T. Could I add it to the hook? Not sure how though, since both the kinds of expansion and dates are different. Also needs to be reviewed... Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Hermann Kasack, Die Stadt hinter dem Strom (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I've made the appropriate changes to this nom to add Marga T. Someone else will need to review the article, as I've got to run right now. OCNative (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I swear they don't make user pages big enough for the number of barnstars you deserve OC. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. I've removed the stub message from the article and fixed the birth date formatting. Date, expansion, and hook check out. However, in the article, the list of selected works is uncited, as is the paragraph that begins, "During the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s and 1990s..." OCNative (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Offline and foreign language refs accepted in good faith in Marga T. Date, length, and hook check out. Since MauchoEagle signed off on the other four articles, this is ready to go for DYK. OCNative (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh shoot, I hadn't even realized that Marga T was apart of the hook. I thought it was only those four article. Thanks for reviewing Marga T, OCNaative. mauchoeagle _(c) 23:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

No, no, you were fine, MauchoEagle. Marga T wasn't part of the hook until after I made my off-hand comment about the Hall of Fame on 18 May, at which point Crisco 1492 expanded Marga T to get this hook to qualify for the Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 02:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, MauchoEagle. At that point I had not bothered expanding Marga T 5x, but the second I read "Hall of Fame"... Well, let's just say I don't mind the spotlight. Thanks for reviewing those 4, btw. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

• Highly unusual case where there are four/five subjects in one hook (BTW, I see a near 5-fold expansion of Marga T from 80 to 391 words). I think the hook is overburdened and filled with several potentially misleading pipes. However, if Marga T isn't meant to be part of the hook, its should be reordered to the back, and unbolded. Personally, I would turn the focus on the book and use a hook thus:

  ALT1... that Badai Pasti Berlalu, a novel by Indonesian author Marga T novel, spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all of the same name?

--Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

5x means the number of characters, not the number of words. The DYK tool says that it is good to go. As for the hooks, what is misleading? Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

And yes, Marga T as a 5x expansion is meant to be in the hook. We could theoretically do this:

ALT2 ... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all with the same name?

but I don't see much of a need for it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The original hook is fine. DYK has a long tradition of multi-article hooks. This expansion took the Marga T article from 455 characters to 2376 characters, which is a 5.22x expansion. ALT1 is grammatically incorrect. Finally, I don't see how the hook is even remotely misleading. OCNative (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• There is an equally long if not longer tradition of being tolerant and respectful to proposals by others, and not striking suggested ALTs just because "there's nothing wrong with the original hook". --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 12:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• I struck ALT1 because it was grammatically incorrect and was based on the mistaken premise that Marga T was not part of the nomination. OCNative (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• This wins a 1 at the bottom of the DYK Lame Index. And to be legalistic, it badly fails the requirement in Criterion 1 that a hook be interesting to a wide audience. This one is a textbook case of the utterly commonplace: is there something suprising or unusual about a novel that spawns a "critically acclaimed" film and a song? Such vertical marketing is just a market reality nowadays, so unless Crisco has something to add to the hook that does make it vaguely special, this one should go the way of the "Look at the sky and you see stars" kind of hook. Bin it.

  Ohconfucius's ALT is little better, I'm afraid. I have no problem with the multi-article referents. I care only about interesting the readers. Tony (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC) PS If you could make something out of "first Indonesian ..." or better, "first novel from South East Asia to ...", that would be in the right direction. Tony (talk) 12:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• I understand your concern, Tony; needless to say, the context will be lost on most readers (For those who care, this was quite unheard of for an Indonesian novel at the time. As noted in Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), one of the main singers didn't expect the album to be a success; Indonesian soundtrack albums were a novelty at the time. Sadly, most of the surprising stuff is lost because of the different context we live in. Most of our readers would not consider 25,000 copies sold to be a success, but in 1970s Indonesia that was considered astounding; even today, selling 140,000 copies gets a book called "mega best seller" because of how unusual it is. However, nuking a hook because an editor considers it standard is not good form. If that were policy, many of these would never have made it. I have heard Badai Pasti Berlalu compared to a Harlequin novel, but no sources for that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• Can you add just another phrase that might convey this, then. As a reader, I want to be interested in it. At the moment, it falls flat and I won't ever visit the linked articles. I believe every hook should "compete" for readers' attention, without at all being spin-like or exaggerated. It could be a matter of finding the right combination of factors that really does make it stand out. "... in the 1970s considered ...". I do wish slightly longer hooks were permitted where more information is necessary to capture readers' attention. There could still be a general expectation of the current limit, with special cases made occasionally. Tony (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I think there is an exception for multiple-article hooks, but I forget which one that is. How about:

ALT3 "... that Marga T's novel, Badai Pasti Berlalu, sold roughly 24,000 copies (a "fantastic" number for an Indonesian novel at the time) and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song?"

Is that any better? May be pushing the 200 char limit though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

To me, the interest factor is now much greater, up from 1 to 7 on my pompous Lame Index (6 is a pass, I think). I don't like "fantastic", and I presume it's not a quote from a source ... even if it were, I'd be inclined to make it a less POV-like remarkable. The link displays allow you to get away without a few commas, I think. You were on 187 ch; what about this, at 173 ch:

ALT4 "... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu sold roughly 24,000 copies, remarkable for an Indonesian novel in the 1970s, and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album and song?" and if dashes are allowed in such short columns on the main page ... I'm unsure whether they are, this would be slightly easier:

ALT5 "... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu sold roughly 24,000 copies—remarkable for an Indonesian novel in the 1970s—and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album and song?" Tony (talk) 16:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The source says fantastik, which is why I mentioned on your talk page that fantastic is spelled with a k in Indonesian. Of your two ALTs, I prefer ALT5... I have seen dashes on the main page before. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I know, but "fantastik" could look like a typo, and in this ultra-short context could give the wrong impression. Other than that, it looks ready to me, if no one else has issues. Tony (talk) 13:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Which is why I translated it to "fantastic"... but anyways, I'm down with ALT5. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't realized this discussion was still raging over here, too. It actually seems very rare for me for an acclaimed novel to spawn an acclaimed song; Tony slammed this on the other page by saying there were thousands of examples of this, but I literally cannot think of one. (The For Whom the Bell Tolls cha-cha? "Moby Dick: The Musical"?) ALT5 looks fine to me, but FWIW, I also agree with the editors who approved the original that it's fine as well. Khazar (talk) 22:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

June 6 (Queensland Day)

Anzac Avenue

• ... that Anzac Avenue is the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland?

Reviewed: Amie mac Ruari ([36])

5x expanded by Lankiveil (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• All checks out - ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Looks good indeed. I just think it's a shame you couldn't use it on the main page today as it's ANZAC day. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. That was the intention, but you know, procrastination ;). Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 22:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC).

Queensland "was named in honour of Queen Victoria, who on 6 June 1859 signed Letters Patent separating the colony from New South Wales." (Copied from Queensland#Etymology.) So 6 June 2011, which is only a few weeks ahead, may be a good day to put a photo of this street in Queensland on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of doing it as a Queensland Day one, but I quite like the idea, and have no objections at all! 110.174.224.43 (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC).

Please be encouraged to get a good photo to go with the hook. You still have 4 weeks. Lots of time. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Interest factor (Criterion 1) is rather low: is there a longer one in another Australian state? If not, can you widen the claim to "in Australia", or even "in Australasia"? Tony (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the claim cannot be widened: Great Ocean Road is the longest war memorial road in the world, it's a World War I memorial, and it's in the Australian state of Victoria. OCNative (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm afraid it's pretty flat (2 out 10 on the Lame Index). And the article is not the most fascinating. What about this, at 199 characters?

• ALT1

• ... that a committee in the 1920s raised the funds that enabled what had been a collection of tracks to be turned into Anzac Avenue, the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland? Tony (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

It assumes the reader understands the concept of "World War I memorial road". Is it a regional thing? I note that Anzac Avenue has "Roads Intersected", "Early History"and "Recent History" which should be sentence case. "businessnam" should be 'businessman'. "Fundraising proceeded steadily, with a large billboard being erected on Queen Street in Brisbane, featuring a car that moved forward a step for every £1000 raised" tells me about a cute billboard but I wonder if there's a hidden meaning that I can't see. Lightmouse (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, I'd never heard of a World War I memorial road before seeing this hook, but it seemed pretty self-evident to me that it's a road that serves as a memorial to World War I soldiers. Just now, I took the 30 seconds to fix the typo and capitalization issues you found but for whatever reason chose not to fix yourself. Reading the source, there's no hidden meaning on the billboard, it is exactly what it says.

I like Tony's ALT hook, but how about this one to tighten it up:
ALT2:... that a committee in the 1920s raised the funds to turn a collection of tracks into Anzac Avenue, the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland? OCNative (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, my wording was a bit loose. Also, I was too lazy to properly read through the article to determine whether parts of the route were already well-advanced beyond tracks. Maybe I'm being too fussy about that. (if not, "raised the funds to turn what had been a ..."). You might consider "series of tracks" rather than "collection of tracks". Otherwise, looks good. Tony (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

I understand what World War I memorial road means. But it's as bizarre a concept to me as the "world's brightest Iraq War memorial street lamp". It's not a big deal, I'm just thinking out loud.

I fix thousands of typos and capitalization issues myself. In review pages (like FA, GA, and this one) it's sometimes worth talking openly about basic issues. It's not just you and me, onlookers need to know. Each problem mention at review may result in 100 articles being fixed outside review. I've done an update to the article that includes fixing sentence case and spelling. I've no objection to it proceeding. Lightmouse (talk) 19:48, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't recall what was causing my grumpiness just then. What I very poorly conveyed is I'd fix small things rather than hold up the nomination. What you did with this comment and what I did with this comment is more the model I recommend (correcting non-time-consuming problems and then noting the correction in the nomination). Obviously, the more time-intensive corrections (such as those various conversion issues) you've described on various other nominations should be the responsibility of the nominator to fix. OCNative (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

June 12 (Pentecost)

Ipomopsis sancti-spiritus

• ... that the Holy Ghost ipomopsis, a rare flower found in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico, is predicted to become extinct in 50 years?

Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook reference (3) all check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Shall we wait for Pentecost? Probably a little too far ahead in future.... --PFHLai (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Good idea. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

This doesn't work for me. Readers shouldn't have to click on a link to see the interest. What the hell is it, and how does it relate to the end of the sentence? Tony (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the idea of DYK is to encourage us to look at the articles. When I did, I noticed the following areas in need of improvement:

• Sangre de Cristo Mountains: the unit 'meter' is correctly shown as 'm' in tables and parentheses. But 'feet' is written in full when it should be abbreviated.
• New Mexico: "density of 16 per square mile", "temperature lows in the 20's and into the teens", "1.9 fatalities per million miles", "2,354 route miles", "1000 were the route miles" need conversions. "The 10 Most Populous New Mexico Cities and Towns" needs to be sentence case. "Land Area sq. miles" needs to be sentence case and needs conversions. "tax rate of about 30 mills" and "average millage was about 26.47", I wasn't aware that articles went into such esoteric detail on taxes but if terms like that are essential, they probably need clarification within the text.

I don't know the procedure here but if my comments are off-topic for this page, feel free to ignore them or tell me to take a hike. Lightmouse (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Lightmouse, your comments are way on-topic. We don't attend enough to the state of the associated articles, which receive huge exposure and need to shine, even in their early stages. Tony (talk)

July 1 (Canada Day)

Declaration of war by Canada

• ... that other than the Second World War, there has never been a declaration of war by Canada?

• Reviewed: Bardhyl Ajeti ([37])
• Comment: Could this hook be saved for an appearance on Canada Day (July 1)?

Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• date length and hook verified Jim Sweeney (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

This is your ideal DYK. Punchy, short, arresting. Tony (talk) 16:58, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Tony! OCNative (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game

• ... that Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, published in 1899, was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are still known to exist?

• Reviewed: Czerwono-Czarni

Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• , accepting offline refs and suggest adding of project tags to talk page. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• Might I suggest this be moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 1, Canada Day? OCNative (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

• I don't have any particular preference as to when it's run. Do as you think is best. Maxim_(talk) 19:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yay, hockey! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Wikisource now has the complete copy. Possibly a link to it embedded in the text of the hook, from the anchor "book", or isn't that allowed? The focus of interest barely passes, IMO. What might inject impact into the hook could come from knowing how little was written about any sport in the terms taken by the book. That would require 15 mins of searching on your part. I'd love something like "... hockey]] and one of the most detailed of its day on any sport?" But only if it's true.  :-) Tony (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• It's difficult to judge with regards to a comparison, because only four copies of the book are known to exist. Would something like "... was the first book on ice hockey, but only four copies are known to exist?" work? I think external links are frowned upon in DYK, but maybe Wikisource could be an exception? This would be best answered by someone with more DYK experience. Maxim_(talk) 16:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, works for me. Consider "still known to exist". Tony (talk) 13:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've amended the hook per your suggestion. Thanks, Maxim_(talk) 22:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

• For clarity's sake, here's the icon. OCNative (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2011 (UTC)