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*'''Oppose''' as original nominator. Did not notice the orange tag. --[[User:Newsjunky12|Newsjunky12]] ([[User talk:Newsjunky12|talk]]) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as original nominator. Did not notice the orange tag. --[[User:Newsjunky12|Newsjunky12]] ([[User talk:Newsjunky12|talk]]) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' citations look fine. Seems to be a controversial figure, though, which would make the neutrality tag a bit difficult to solve. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 02:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' citations look fine. Seems to be a controversial figure, though, which would make the neutrality tag a bit difficult to solve. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 02:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Seems to be front-page on BBC and Al Jazeera, so not confined to Indian news. [[User:Albertaont|Albertaont]] ([[User talk:Albertaont|talk]]) 05:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


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RD: Syed Ali Shah Geelani

Article: Syed Ali Shah Geelani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article follows the deceased life, good information, well written in my opinion, and well referenced. I think this is a good candidate for ITN RD. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bishop Sycamore scandal

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Article: Bishop Sycamore High School scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Bishop Sycamore football team is under investigation by the Ohio Department of Education following its ESPN televised shutout loss against IMG Academy. (Post)
News source(s): fox, USA, NBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Not sure if this meets the threshold for an ITN, but it is definitely getting a lot of coverage since they managed to trick ESPN to get on TV. NoahTalk 23:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Geronimo

Article: Geronimo (alpaca) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: I never thought id be nominating an alpaca but the article is well written and properly sourced and the deceased alpaca has been part of recent controversy. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mahal (actress)

Article: Mahal (actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rappler, The Philippine Star
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She was known for dwarfism nature and had starred in several TV series. Article newly created and is in a good shape. MeCurraz (talk) 04:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ferhan Şensoy

Article: Ferhan Şensoy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/ferhan-sensoyun-cenaze-detaylari-belli-oldu-1864993
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The deceased was one of the most prominent figures of Turkish theatre, and the previous holder of arguably the highest traditional merit of stage acting in Turkey. Saudekar (talk) 12:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Armed gang members take hostages during their getaway following three bank robberies in Araçatuba, São Paulo, Brazil. Three people are killed during the incident, including two civilians and one of the robbers. Four other people are wounded, including one during an explosion. Three suspects have been arrested. (BBC News)
  • Kira Yarmysh, the official spokeswoman for incarcerated Russian activist Alexei Navalny, leaves Russia, reportedly travelling to Helsinki, Finland, after a court sentenced her to a restriction of movements for 18 months due to alleged breaches of COVID-19 restrictions. (Reuters)

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Leaded petrol phased out

Article: Tetraethyllead (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Nations Environment Programme announces that leaded fuel for land vehicles has been phased out worldwide (Post)
Alternative blurb: Tetraethyl lead, a toxic fuel additive, is phased out of use in land vehicles worldwide
News source(s): BBC United Nations press release CBC Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Seems like a major (though long anticipated) step. Article needs some work. Note that it is still in use for some light aviation - Dumelow (talk) 07:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, forgot to pipe the link to Tetraethyllead. Now done. It has been phased out for all land vehicles, not will be - Dumelow (talk) 08:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It is not necessary to have a dedicated, event-type article, only that the article has "been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest". I actually argue that including updates into already-established articles is the better practice; it introduces readers to the topic without an UNDUE weight on very recent events. In this case, the article Tetraethyllead is a standout example. The phase-out and ban of this substance occupies a substantial portion of the article (and lede) without unnecessarily distracting from the other encyclopedic information about this substance. I think forking the ITN material into something like UNEP leaded fuel phase out would actually do readers a disservice. However, an orange tag and a few CNs prevent this from going up in the current state.130.233.213.141 (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
EC & edit confusion.130.233.213.141 (talk) 08:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

End of the Afghanistan War

Article: War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States completes its withdrawal from Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States completes its withdrawal from Afghanistan, ending a 20-year war.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The participating countries in the Resolute Support Mission complete their withdrawal from Afghanistan.
News source(s): NYT, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I'm proposing that we remove the Kabul airport blurb as its no longer the newest news out of Afghanistan, and the completion of the withdrawal seems significant. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support alt-blurb. Neutralitytalk 01:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The alt-blurb is US-centric and does not recognize the two decades of warfare that preceded the US invasion, nor any armed conflict that may continue in the immediate future. -LtNOWIS (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    LtNOWIS, this relates to the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021), not any previous conflict. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Still, the blurb only mentions the withdrawal of the US forces, not the Resolute Support Mission, which consists of several countries. That should be the key here. --Tone 05:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I totally agree that the proposed blurbs are US-centric, so I proposed another one that mentions it was a war mission with more countries participating.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The phrase "completes its withdrawal" seems tendentious – trying to present this as a US accomplishment. On the ground in Afghanistan, there are still lots of people wanting to get out and their exodus will continue; there are still warlords holding out in places like the Panjshir Valley; and the US still intends to continue bombing and drone-striking the country in its endless war on terror. As for the Resolute Support Mission, it appears that that was formally disbanded in early July. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Andrew. It seems like there are still people who want to leave the country, so this is clearly not the end of the story.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose framing this like some kind of "mission complete" and that this is the "end of the end" seems crazy to me. This may be the end of the beginning, nothing more. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The end of the 2001-21 war was when the Taliban captured Kabul and the government surrendered. We already posted that story as a blurb. The subsequent evacuations are a footnote to the war. The blurb inappropriately phrases it as a successful evacuation, when what actually happened was a Taliban victory. Modest Genius talk 11:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Prefer Alt1. Pervasive RS coverage (see sources above) of a(n) historic event. Far and away the No. 1 story internationally. Ignoring it would be sticking our collective head in the sand. Get real. ITN is the voice of Wikipedia. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. As noted, this event is a direct and predictable corollary of the Taliban taking over Kabul, which we posted last week. We also have an Afghanistan story already in the blurb list, the significant attack and deaths outside the airport, which remains the newest noteworthy development, contrary to the nom's assertion that it's no longer relevant. At this point I don't think it even merits Ongoing when that drops off, this story is done and dusted for the time being.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the fact that the US was still technically at war with the country was one of those things that I don't think many people realized and thus, this is more of a trivial effect resulting from the more dominant story of the Taliban take-over. --Masem (t) 13:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, they were never at war. The US hasn't declared war since the Second World War. See undeclared war. Modest Genius talk 14:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There's been Congressional authorization for ongoing military activities in Afg. since 9/11/2001. True, not a declaration of war, but effectively the same thing, and I know in legislation this year there has been language to actually terminate that authorization though whether that passed or not, I'm not sure. But still, US's presence in Afg. has been a authorized military situation for nearly 20 years. --Masem (t) 14:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Authorised under US law, but not international law. As far as I am aware there was no UN resolution approving the invasion, for example. But this is getting off topic... Modest Genius talk 17:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • News reports indicate that Afghanistan is hardly peaceful. The US has left, but local factions are still ready to fight each other. Instead of posting this, just add a note to the existing blurb that the US has completed its withdrawal. Jehochman Talk 14:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All the news that fits into our preconceived, ossified format. – Sca (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Muhammad Hamza

Article: Muhammad Hamza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani Senator. This wikibio could use some pre-RD clean-up. --PFHLai (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hurricane Ida

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Article: Hurricane Ida (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hurricane Ida makes landfall in Louisiana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Ida strikes Louisiana as a strong Category 4 hurricane, killing at least one person and causing at least $15 billion in insured damage.
News source(s): CNN, NYT, Bloomberg_(damage), Guardian_death
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Category 3 hurricane. New Orleans is now without power (on the 16th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina); casualties likely to be high across Louisiana/Mississippi, whether from the storm or from hospitals already at capacity from coronavirus patients. Davey2116 (talk) 01:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until fatalities and damage amounts are reported. Ida currently does not meet the threshold for ITN for a tropical cyclone; we only post significant damage, many deaths, and/or significant records (ie not landfalls). NoahTalk 01:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You're gonna need more than just that for a blurb. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 01:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There are many causalities in areas where people ignored the advice to evacuate. There have been many 911 calls from people in those areas who were on the verge of drowning in chest deep waters inside their homes. They were told that they could not be helped. Count Iblis (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Count Iblis: Source? NoahTalk 02:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • See here: "St. John the Baptist Parish is being inundated with 911 calls for rescues because of flooding from Hurricane Ida, parish communications director Baileigh Helm told CNN. Helm says that first responders are still unable to go out and respond to rescue calls because weather conditions remain poor." Count Iblis (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • We need to know more before we make and post any blurb. It's too poor for anyone to go out right now to assess damage. I have heard there are levee failures and power towers collapsing into rivers. It is bad, but we don't know enough yet. NoahTalk 03:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • ... ignored the advice to evacuate: "Ignore" is a mischaracterization You need to account for the disabled and elderly, people without access to transportation, those with COVID, and some without enough money.[1]Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on just the basis of landfall and power outages. If there are significant death or damages, then we can talk about posting. --Masem (t) 02:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is devastating. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. If a category 4 major hurricane lands near population centers, the lack of mass deaths or destruction is even more newsworthy. I fear and suspect you may get your death toll in time, but I don't agree that this ought to be a criterion. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The lack of any significant death or damage from what otherwise would be a major natural disaster (particularly while we are in the middle of the season for these types of hurricanes) is for the purposes of ITN, the equivalent of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, would it still make a sound?" --Masem (t) 05:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In All Quiet on the Western Front the army communique's "nothing new to report" ("nichts neues zu berichten") doesn't make headlines. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - the usual users will cry about needing to satisfy some arbitrary death toll number before they'll deem an event ITN-worthy, but this storm devastated a large portion of a US state and is undoubtedly worthy of posting. The blurb obviously needs to be better, though. --TorsodogTalk 07:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Until we know what its impact is, it’s not ITN worthy (which is how it works, for those of you who criticize those who oppose it). It’s also not unusual in Louisiana (and USA in general) nor is it the only one so far this season. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until impact is known(even if it's likely there is a significant impact). There is also a covid element to this in that hospitals in that area are full of covid patients, which will affect casualty numbers(either covid patients dying due to a lack of oxygen/electricity or others dying because the hospital is full). 331dot (talk) 07:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • wait till the hurricane sweeps over and we know of its aftermath. – robertsky (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Feels like the supports and opposes are saying the same thing. It's inconceivable that the impact will not warrant posting, but we must be able to articulate that impact in the blurb. 159.53.78.147 (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Destruction of New Orleans main transmission line pushes us into significant damage territory.©Geni (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – for now – Seems to be blowing itself out without dire effects compared to other hurricanes. [2] [3]Sca (talk) 12:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The storm is on the front page of most major news services. RS already cite the clearly significant impact of all of New Orleans losing power and also there is one confirmed death so far. But I think reliable sources clearly show that the loss of power to all of New Orleans makes this storm ITN-worthy and should be included in the blurb.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 14:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    As said, nichts neues. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this is one of the most powerful hurricanes to hit the continental US on record. Hires an editor (talk) 14:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    But not the most consequential, so far. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose For being the most powerful hurricane to hit Louisiana since Katrina, the impact is surprisingly limited. Be that as it may, that is the standard by which we judge hurricanes here. WaltCip-(talk) 15:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @WaltCip: I agree with you, but I think the issue here is that we simply don't know the impact yet as conditions have been too poor for people to assess damage. The storm is starting to move at a faster pace and will affect more of the country (mostly rainfall). Considering levees have failed and been overtopped in many areas, there are likely quite a few deaths we simply don't know about. Hopefully more information will come out today. NoahTalk 15:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
$$$ ain't gonna make the cut. – Sca (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for scale of impact to become more clear. There are also an unreasonable number of Twitter citations in the article that need to be replaced... ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the Alt Blurb – This storm has caused a major disaster in Louisiana, which is still unfolding right now. New Orleans is likely to be without power for weeks, and the city is dealing with severe flooding threats. The death toll and damage estimates are almost guaranteed to rise significantly in the days to come. As such, this is definitely notable enough to warrant posting. While I would normally like to see more information in the blurb (perhaps we could wait another day or two for more updates), the alt blurb is good enough for now, IMO. It can be updated as needed. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, largely uninteresting. For most people the entire story is one sentence long; power out, one dead. Abductive (reasoning) 23:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD/Blurb: Jacques Rogge

Article: Jacques Rogge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former president of the International Olympic Committee Jacques Rogge dies at the age of 79. (Post)
News source(s): IOC, BBC
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Does anyone want to work on this wikibio? --PFHLai (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lee "Scratch" Perry

Article: Lee "Scratch" Perry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Legendary producer and singer. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ed Asner

Article: Ed Asner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: :'-( – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Sam Oji

Article: Sam Oji (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Footballer passed at just 35. Well sourced throughout. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:7C7A:7D05:EFAC:E9AB (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Teresa Żylis-Gara

Article: Teresa Żylis-Gara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gramophone, some Polish, probably more to come, but to show a great singer the day she died would be nice.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Polish soprano of international fame, for 1970 to 1980 based in Germany, then a performer at the Metropolitan Opera in more than 200 performances of exclusively leading roles. She said in an interview that she'd never intentionally produce an ugly sound. I'm biased - she was the second soprano who made a lasting impression on me on stage - but try not to show ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Madagascar food crisis

Article: 2021 Madagascar food crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The World Food Programme says that the ongoing food crisis in southern Madagascar is the first famine caused solely by climate change and not an armed conflict. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Food Programme says that the ongoing food crisis in southern Madagascar is the first famine caused primarily by anthropogenic climate change.
News source(s): (TRT News) (BBC)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I don't know if it's blurb-worthy but I found it rather interesting. Whatever the result is, at least I tried. Kindest regards. CoryGlee (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Seeing how this is the first famine caused by climate change is pretty significant. If there's opposition to a blurb, I'd support adding this to ongoing seeing how this has been an ongoing event in Madagascar. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose that seems like a claim that she be supported by peer-reviewed publications. In any case, the article is contradictory, e.g. says that Madagascar is on the verge of famine, and the blurb claims that this is the first famine...well, so what now? 93.240.192.26 (talk) 21:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article and RS says this is the worst drought in 40 years. If past droughts, more severe, didn't cause a famine it seems more likely that this is a culmination of complex factors. Agriculture in Madagascar makes clear that there have been decades long systemic issues with monoculture farming and deforestation, among others. There is no doubt that anthropomorphic climate change is real and impacts the entire globe, but I agree with the IP above that to suggest that the current famine in Madagascar is exclusively due to climate change is dubious and requires peer review. I'd have no problem with a blurb if both it and the article were improved to reduce focus on the climate hysteria. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:44, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Anthropogenic climate change is real. Anthropomorphic climate change is only real in "universes" like Madagascar. Not that it matters much if we're all doomed...but still! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support & added altblurb. I disagree with proposals to reduce the focus on "the climate hysteria" given that secondary sources on the subject (news results on duckduckgo), (news results on google) very often do prominently feature the fact that this famine is caused primarily by climate change. You'd be hard-pressed to find an article about the topic that doesn't. A few examples: "the climate-led famine worsens [...] they are bearing the brunt of climate change" "Madagascar on the brink of climate change-induced famine", "Madagascar on the brink of experiencing the world's first climate-changed induced famine", and a few probably less-reliable ones: [4][5],[6],[7]. I agree that the blurb could use some minor tweaks, my understanding is that it's the world's first famine caused [primarily] by climate change, not the world's first famine caused [solely] by climate change. With respect to LL, who was correct in mentioning that Madagascar has had its issues, there's just so many sources emphasizing the role of climate change that it would effectively be original research to override them based on our own hunch that this crisis could actually be caused by mono-cropping etc. I may just be pedantic here, but I disagree with the nom that the sources say it's exclusively caused by climate change, but it is still caused by climate change nonetheless. It's a notable fact that shouldn't be cleansed from the blurb or the article without additional sources to contradict the multitude of sources affirming it.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 06:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As others have noted, the article is confusing and contradictory. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: IMO this non-admin closure was premature since there was considerable support for the nomination and concerns by the opposition could potentially be resolved by article updates and improvements. In cases such as this, there is no benefit by prematurely closing the nomination. SpencerT•C 01:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harry Kent (cyclist)

Article: Harry Kent (cyclist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff; The Dominion Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 28); died on August 24. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 27

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(Posted) RD: Siegfried Matthus

Article: Siegfried Matthus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDR and others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leading composer in the East when Germany was divided, but successful still after unification, founder of a chamber opera festival promoting young singers, - his music played again and again and recorded - not often in contemporary music. There was some article, but Grimes2 did miracles again expanding. There could be more, much more detail in the sources added. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Akis Tsochatzopoulos

Article: Akis Tsochatzopoulos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1166960/akis-tsochatzopoulos-once-prominent-pasok-politician-dies/
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: former interior and defence minister of Greece. His wikibio looks ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hae Un Lee

Article: Hae Un Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/lees-discount-liquor-founder-hae-un-lee-dies-at-79-2429072/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wikibio looks ready already. PFHLai (talk) 10:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

US airstrike in Afghanistan

Article: 2021 Kabul airport attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The US launches an airstrike in Nangarhar, Afghanistan, killing the Islamic State member who is believed to have planned the bombings. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The U.S. launches an airstrike in Afghanistan, killing the two Islamic State members who planned the bombings.
News source(s): (AP News), (NY Times),
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I know we already have an ITN about the bombings themselves, but it seems significant enough for maybe a second ITN nomination just because the planner died. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying the airstrike isn't important enough for ITN, or that it shouldn't be posted because we don't know enough about it? Jim Michael (talk) 09:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Both. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alt-blurb 1 started for new info. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can safely say both blurbs turned out to be honest misreadings. No pressure to redact or strike anything, though! Every war has its lingering rumours, after all. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 26

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(Posted) RD: Michael Nader

Article: Michael Nader (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor. Died on Aug. 23, but only announced today. The article is fully sourced. --SirEd Dimmi!!! 00:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Stephen B. Oates

Article: Stephen B. Oates (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The Springfield Republican
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 26); died on August 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan

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Article: 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, BBC, Straits Times, Japan
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Efforts to evacuate is still ongoing and set to end on 31 August. The suicide bombings are an immediate event of the evaucation. Nations are also sending military planes to help with evacuations. – robertsky (talk) 18:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The evacuation has gotten mass media attention as international governments, mainly the United States, try to evacuate troops from Afghanistan. The Taliban offensive was included on Ongoing, don't see an opposing reason as to why this cannot be included. Kellis7 (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If there's any event that's being continuously reported in the news around the world, it's precisely this. Moreover, this is an operation involving many countries from virtually every continent except Africa. Undoubtedly, there are enough reasons for the nomination to prosper. The linked article is constantly updated and is perfectly sourced. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In the aftermath of the attack nominated below, evacuations from some countries have paused or been ended. As far as I can tell, only Germany has been ambiguous about when they plan on ending evacuations. All other nations are currently committed to ending evacuations on or before August 31st. Posting an event as ongoing when it has a definite end date at the present seems counterintuitive. If the US and other nations publicly state that evacuations will continue indefinitely, then will change to support. 47.176.81.182 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    We posted the Olympics to ongoing, that has a definite end date. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The attacks are definitely appropriate for a blurb, but unless more violence continues, the evacuation has been otherwise something being done in haste but not the type of critical ongoing compared to natural disasters or other human-caused violence. --Masem (t) 18:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support unconvinced by either of the opposes.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Highly important event, widely reported around the world. -- King of ♥ 00:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Unless something unexpected happens, in which case we would blurb it - as indeed we did for today's bombing - the evacuation from the airport is really just a corollary to the invasion by the Taliban. The withdrawal operation is not really daily breaking headline and unexpected news on a daily basis, as we'd see for say the Hong Kong protests or the Taliban's recent offensive. It's a predictable and time limited operation that followed from the Afghan army's defeat to the Taliban, which we also blurbed.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Highly notable. And definitely should be posted to Ongoing. I don’t have a magic ball to look into the future with. But for now this is definitely an escalating situation that warrants Ongoing-status.BabbaQ (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose People catching planes. Only seems bigger because it's associated with a couple of blurbs, vaguely suggesting a third something is next. Those aside, it's a pretty mundane story, though more juicy than most daily airport reports. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - most countries have withdrawn, yes, but the bulk of the evacuation have been American anyway, and they're still going ("The United States would press on with evacuations despite the threat of further attacks"). Regarding notability, it's the top news in all international news sites I checked (BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, RT, DW, FT, AP, really everything except Xinhua for some reason), and is 2nd news in my local non English news site. I'd say it's still highly in the news. Should have a good 3-4 days left of evacuations, ignoring the signs from both sides that they are negotiating an extension. Juxlos (talk) 02:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You sure those aren't about the bombing? I checked CBC. It's Biden vowing revenge there (an Ongoing war in Afghanistan might be a reasonable nom to me). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in the news, and likely to be in the news for at least several more days. Banedon (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose ongoing, add to other blurb Two ITN items seems overkill when something like "Amid evacuations from Afghanistan" can be added to the existing suicide bombing blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 04:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: I've gone ahead and WP:BOLDly made the change. -- King of ♥ 07:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm happy with this. A much better outcome than putting it in Ongoing.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This may be top news because of the bombing, which is already included in the blurb. Otherwise, the withdrawal of foreign citizens is going relatively smoothly and it receives routine coverage. We can wait until 31 August, which was given as a deadline for the withdrawal, and see if things escalate afterwards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Kabul airport attacks

Article: 2021 Kabul airport attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two suicide bombings occur at the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, killing at least 72 people. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, NBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Current/breaking news event. Article will be expanded as more information comes in --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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