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*'''Oppose''' as original nominator. Did not notice the orange tag. --[[User:Newsjunky12|Newsjunky12]] ([[User talk:Newsjunky12|talk]]) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' as original nominator. Did not notice the orange tag. --[[User:Newsjunky12|Newsjunky12]] ([[User talk:Newsjunky12|talk]]) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' citations look fine. Seems to be a controversial figure, though, which would make the neutrality tag a bit difficult to solve. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 02:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' citations look fine. Seems to be a controversial figure, though, which would make the neutrality tag a bit difficult to solve. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 02:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Seems to be front-page on BBC and Al Jazeera, so not confined to Indian news. [[User:Albertaont|Albertaont]] ([[User talk:Albertaont|talk]]) 05:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC) |
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RD: Syed Ali Shah Geelani
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:
- Nominated by Newsjunky12 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article follows the deceased life, good information, well written in my opinion, and well referenced. I think this is a good candidate for ITN RD. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now as it has an orange tag dated 2019 JW 1961 Talk 22:34, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Whoops how did I not notice that. My bad. I rescind this nomination. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as original nominator. Did not notice the orange tag. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment citations look fine. Seems to be a controversial figure, though, which would make the neutrality tag a bit difficult to solve. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be front-page on BBC and Al Jazeera, so not confined to Indian news. Albertaont (talk) 05:13, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Bishop Sycamore scandal
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Blurb: The Bishop Sycamore football team is under investigation by the Ohio Department of Education following its ESPN televised shutout loss against IMG Academy. (Post)
News source(s): fox, USA, NBC
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- Nominated by Hurricane Noah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Fascinating, bizarre story, but not really at the standard level of significance for ITN material. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. This does not seem like top headline news in the world, or even just the US. 331dot (talk) 00:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Nominate as DYK. Crazy story, would make an amazing DYK nomination, but not a news story of global significance. Blythwood (talk) 00:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Consider it withdrawn. I thought it may be worth a try since we are looking at some blurbs that are two weeks old and need new ones, but oh well. Guess we can keep them up longer. NoahTalk 00:25, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- It's an excellent article! It clearly passes the requirements for a DYK submission. Just maybe not a global news story. Blythwood (talk) 00:30, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Well... tbh we need something in this slow news cycle. NoahTalk 00:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Geronimo
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Newsjunky12 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: I never thought id be nominating an alpaca but the article is well written and properly sourced and the deceased alpaca has been part of recent controversy. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Referenced and thorough coverage of life. SpencerT•C 00:34, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support there is an ongoing RM for article name, but that shouldn't affect this running on RD. Animals are eligible for RD, and article is good enough quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Yeah I was worried the RM on the name would be an issue but thank you for clearing that up. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 01:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Mahal (actress)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rappler, The Philippine Star
Credits:
- Nominated by MeCurraz (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was known for dwarfism nature and had starred in several TV series. Article newly created and is in a good shape. MeCurraz (talk) 04:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be disproportionate attention to the subject's personal life compared with her career, but I suppose that's somewhat typical for celebrities. Referenced, no major omissions/gaps from what I can tell. SpencerT•C 06:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support per Spencer. The wikibio is in good condition to go, tho. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 21:43, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
RD: Ferhan Şensoy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/ferhan-sensoyun-cenaze-detaylari-belli-oldu-1864993
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- Nominated by Saudekar (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The deceased was one of the most prominent figures of Turkish theatre, and the previous holder of arguably the highest traditional merit of stage acting in Turkey. Saudekar (talk) 12:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose his article is...very dramatic. It needs to be improved a lot, in terms of content and sources. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is badly sourced and written. Pyramids09 (talk) 22:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Unfortunately the article is very barebones and contains almost no information on the deceased in it's current state. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Leaded petrol phased out
Blurb: The United Nations Environment Programme announces that leaded fuel for land vehicles has been phased out worldwide (Post)
Alternative blurb: Tetraethyl lead, a toxic fuel additive, is phased out of use in land vehicles worldwide
News source(s): BBC United Nations press release CBC Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Seems like a major (though long anticipated) step. Article needs some work. Note that it is still in use for some light aviation - Dumelow (talk) 07:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: this doesn't point to an article. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 07:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose no article for this, and I don't see that target article being created. And it's also a speculation that it will be phased out. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, forgot to pipe the link to Tetraethyllead. Now done. It has been phased out for all land vehicles, not will be - Dumelow (talk) 08:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment
It is not necessary to have a dedicated, event-type article, only that the article has "been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest". I actually argue that including updates into already-established articles is the better practice; it introduces readers to the topic without an UNDUE weight on very recent events. In this case, the article Tetraethyllead is a standout example. The phase-out and ban of this substance occupies a substantial portion of the article (and lede) without unnecessarily distracting from the other encyclopedic information about this substance. I think forking the ITN material into something like UNEP leaded fuel phase out would actually do readers a disservice. However, an orange tag and a few CNs prevent this from going up in the current state.130.233.213.141 (talk) 08:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- EC & edit confusion.130.233.213.141 (talk) 08:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose What actually seems to have happened is that Algeria has stopped sales of leaded fuel for cars. This is not big news for the rest of the world. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- No, Algeria was the last country to sale it. When it stopped, the usage of leaded petrol indeed stopped worldwide, so the blurb is correct and reflects the UN press release. Brandmeistertalk 10:19, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support. This is the final end of a decades-long eradication effort. The tetraethyllead article is informative and will help readers to understand the current news, which is exactly what ITN is for. I don't think a few un-cited entries in the long list of ban dates should hold up posting. The blurb is bit unsatisfactory but I'm struggling to think of a better one, given the continued niche use in some small aircraft. I've added an altblurb but it can probably be improved further (I deliberately avoided using either 'petrol' or 'gasoline' for ENGVAR neutrality). Modest Genius talk 11:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle, not sure we have a really good target yet. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 11:55, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Article quality, especially referencing, is a big issue. Several CN tags, a tagged section. Needs some work to be main page ready. --Jayron32 12:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose it generally has been across the globe outside a few countries. It would have been more newsworthy if major nations were still using it and then it was internationally banned. --Masem (t) 13:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support I view this as not entirely dissimilar from the hypothetical eradication of polio or guinea worm. Regardless of where it occurs, its elimination is truly newsworthy. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- There's a vast difference between fighting off a contagious (even with low spread rate) disease which is not voluntary, and stopping the use of a specific chemical that has been for all purposes, voluntarily used and could have been stopped at any time before. --Masem (t) 15:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed, I was speaking more in terms of both being examples of the culmination of a long-term, international public health campaign. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- There's a vast difference between fighting off a contagious (even with low spread rate) disease which is not voluntary, and stopping the use of a specific chemical that has been for all purposes, voluntarily used and could have been stopped at any time before. --Masem (t) 15:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support The eradication of this chemicals use in my opinion is a huge step forward for humanity. It has done a lot of harm to the world and to the previous few generations health. --Newsjunky12 (talk) 22:32, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:04, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose we should probably just link to the "In motor fuel" section if we do run this. But that section is woefully undersourced right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality; story would merit posting if article was no longer orange-tagged. The "Controversy and phase-out" heading seems the most apt target if posted. Gʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ˣ 10:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – In most places it was phased out decades ago. – Sca (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
End of the Afghanistan War
Blurb: The United States completes its withdrawal from Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The United States completes its withdrawal from Afghanistan, ending a 20-year war.
Alternative blurb II: The participating countries in the Resolute Support Mission complete their withdrawal from Afghanistan.
News source(s): NYT, AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I'm proposing that we remove the Kabul airport blurb as its no longer the newest news out of Afghanistan, and the completion of the withdrawal seems significant. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt-blurb. Neutralitytalk 01:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The alt-blurb is US-centric and does not recognize the two decades of warfare that preceded the US invasion, nor any armed conflict that may continue in the immediate future. -LtNOWIS (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- LtNOWIS, this relates to the War in Afghanistan (2001–2021), not any previous conflict. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Still, the blurb only mentions the withdrawal of the US forces, not the Resolute Support Mission, which consists of several countries. That should be the key here. --Tone 05:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I totally agree that the proposed blurbs are US-centric, so I proposed another one that mentions it was a war mission with more countries participating.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The phrase "completes its withdrawal" seems tendentious – trying to present this as a US accomplishment. On the ground in Afghanistan, there are still lots of people wanting to get out and their exodus will continue; there are still warlords holding out in places like the Panjshir Valley; and the US still intends to continue bombing and drone-striking the country in its endless war on terror. As for the Resolute Support Mission, it appears that that was formally disbanded in early July. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew. It seems like there are still people who want to leave the country, so this is clearly not the end of the story.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose framing this like some kind of "mission complete" and that this is the "end of the end" seems crazy to me. This may be the end of the beginning, nothing more. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. The end of the 2001-21 war was when the Taliban captured Kabul and the government surrendered. We already posted that story as a blurb. The subsequent evacuations are a footnote to the war. The blurb inappropriately phrases it as a successful evacuation, when what actually happened was a Taliban victory. Modest Genius talk 11:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support – Prefer Alt1. Pervasive RS coverage (see sources above) of a(n) historic event. Far and away the No. 1 story internationally. Ignoring it would be sticking our collective head in the sand. Get real. ITN is the voice of Wikipedia. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. As noted, this event is a direct and predictable corollary of the Taliban taking over Kabul, which we posted last week. We also have an Afghanistan story already in the blurb list, the significant attack and deaths outside the airport, which remains the newest noteworthy development, contrary to the nom's assertion that it's no longer relevant. At this point I don't think it even merits Ongoing when that drops off, this story is done and dusted for the time being. — Amakuru (talk) 12:56, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the fact that the US was still technically at war with the country was one of those things that I don't think many people realized and thus, this is more of a trivial effect resulting from the more dominant story of the Taliban take-over. --Masem (t) 13:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Technically, they were never at war. The US hasn't declared war since the Second World War. See undeclared war. Modest Genius talk 14:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- There's been Congressional authorization for ongoing military activities in Afg. since 9/11/2001. True, not a declaration of war, but effectively the same thing, and I know in legislation this year there has been language to actually terminate that authorization though whether that passed or not, I'm not sure. But still, US's presence in Afg. has been a authorized military situation for nearly 20 years. --Masem (t) 14:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Authorised under US law, but not international law. As far as I am aware there was no UN resolution approving the invasion, for example. But this is getting off topic... Modest Genius talk 17:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- There's been Congressional authorization for ongoing military activities in Afg. since 9/11/2001. True, not a declaration of war, but effectively the same thing, and I know in legislation this year there has been language to actually terminate that authorization though whether that passed or not, I'm not sure. But still, US's presence in Afg. has been a authorized military situation for nearly 20 years. --Masem (t) 14:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Technically, they were never at war. The US hasn't declared war since the Second World War. See undeclared war. Modest Genius talk 14:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- News reports indicate that Afghanistan is hardly peaceful. The US has left, but local factions are still ready to fight each other. Instead of posting this, just add a note to the existing blurb that the US has completed its withdrawal. Jehochman Talk 14:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- But to that end, what about all the other countries that had troops in there like the UK? That's the issue with focusing on just the US engagement here. --Masem (t) 14:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: - the UK already left, on Saturday. As for the others, France + Italy + Sweden by Friday, Canada + Germany + Belgium was done by Thursday ... and you can read the link for the rest, including Australia and New Zealand. starship.paint (exalt) 15:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- But to that end, what about all the other countries that had troops in there like the UK? That's the issue with focusing on just the US engagement here. --Masem (t) 14:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- All the news that fits into our preconceived, ossified format. – Sca (talk) 21:58, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Muhammad Hamza
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Updated by Saqib (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Pakistani Senator. This wikibio could use some pre-RD clean-up. --PFHLai (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Hurricane Ida
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Blurb: Hurricane Ida makes landfall in Louisiana. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Ida strikes Louisiana as a strong Category 4 hurricane, killing at least one person and causing at least $15 billion in insured damage.
News source(s): CNN, NYT, Bloomberg_(damage), Guardian_death
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Oppose until fatalities and damage amounts are reported. Ida currently does not meet the threshold for ITN for a tropical cyclone; we only post significant damage, many deaths, and/or significant records (ie not landfalls). NoahTalk 01:18, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb which details the impact that is coming in. NoahTalk 21:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment You're gonna need more than just that for a blurb. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 01:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support. There are many causalities in areas where people ignored the advice to evacuate. There have been many 911 calls from people in those areas who were on the verge of drowning in chest deep waters inside their homes. They were told that they could not be helped. Count Iblis (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Count Iblis: Source? NoahTalk 02:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- See here: "St. John the Baptist Parish is being inundated with 911 calls for rescues because of flooding from Hurricane Ida, parish communications director Baileigh Helm told CNN. Helm says that first responders are still unable to go out and respond to rescue calls because weather conditions remain poor." Count Iblis (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- We need to know more before we make and post any blurb. It's too poor for anyone to go out right now to assess damage. I have heard there are levee failures and power towers collapsing into rivers. It is bad, but we don't know enough yet. NoahTalk 03:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- See here: "St. John the Baptist Parish is being inundated with 911 calls for rescues because of flooding from Hurricane Ida, parish communications director Baileigh Helm told CNN. Helm says that first responders are still unable to go out and respond to rescue calls because weather conditions remain poor." Count Iblis (talk) 03:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
... ignored the advice to evacuate
: "Ignore" is a mischaracterization You need to account for the disabled and elderly, people without access to transportation, those with COVID, and some without enough money.[1]—Bagumba (talk) 08:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Count Iblis: Source? NoahTalk 02:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on just the basis of landfall and power outages. If there are significant death or damages, then we can talk about posting. --Masem (t) 02:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support this is devastating. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support. If a category 4 major hurricane lands near population centers, the lack of mass deaths or destruction is even more newsworthy. I fear and suspect you may get your death toll in time, but I don't agree that this ought to be a criterion. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 05:01, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- The lack of any significant death or damage from what otherwise would be a major natural disaster (particularly while we are in the middle of the season for these types of hurricanes) is for the purposes of ITN, the equivalent of "if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, would it still make a sound?" --Masem (t) 05:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- In All Quiet on the Western Front the army communique's "nothing new to report" ("nichts neues zu berichten") doesn't make headlines. – Sca (talk) 12:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - the usual users will cry about needing to satisfy some arbitrary death toll number before they'll deem an event ITN-worthy, but this storm devastated a large portion of a US state and is undoubtedly worthy of posting. The blurb obviously needs to be better, though. --TorsodogTalk 07:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Until we know what its impact is, it’s not ITN worthy (which is how it works, for those of you who criticize those who oppose it). It’s also not unusual in Louisiana (and USA in general) nor is it the only one so far this season. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:46, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose until impact is known(even if it's likely there is a significant impact). There is also a covid element to this in that hospitals in that area are full of covid patients, which will affect casualty numbers(either covid patients dying due to a lack of oxygen/electricity or others dying because the hospital is full). 331dot (talk) 07:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- wait till the hurricane sweeps over and we know of its aftermath. – robertsky (talk) 09:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Feels like the supports and opposes are saying the same thing. It's inconceivable that the impact will not warrant posting, but we must be able to articulate that impact in the blurb. 159.53.78.147 (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Destruction of New Orleans main transmission line pushes us into significant damage territory.©Geni (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – for now – Seems to be blowing itself out without dire effects compared to other hurricanes. [2] [3] – Sca (talk) 12:32, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support: The storm is on the front page of most major news services. RS already cite the clearly significant impact of all of New Orleans losing power and also there is one confirmed death so far. But I think reliable sources clearly show that the loss of power to all of New Orleans makes this storm ITN-worthy and should be included in the blurb. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 14:00, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Storms knock out power all the time. This is nothing new. --Masem (t) 14:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- As said, nichts neues. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - this is one of the most powerful hurricanes to hit the continental US on record. Hires an editor (talk) 14:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- But not the most consequential, so far. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose For being the most powerful hurricane to hit Louisiana since Katrina, the impact is surprisingly limited. Be that as it may, that is the standard by which we judge hurricanes here. WaltCip-(talk) 15:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @WaltCip: I agree with you, but I think the issue here is that we simply don't know the impact yet as conditions have been too poor for people to assess damage. The storm is starting to move at a faster pace and will affect more of the country (mostly rainfall). Considering levees have failed and been overtopped in many areas, there are likely quite a few deaths we simply don't know about. Hopefully more information will come out today. NoahTalk 15:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support - I acknowledge the the "oppose" votes have some logic behind them, as the damage of this huricane is still unknown, but this is one of the most powerful hurricanes to ever hit the USA, as well as the fact that the significance of these events is only realized months to years after they happen. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - while casualities are low, the devastation is quite notable and large areas are heavily flooded. Elishop (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the blurb makes absolutely no mention of the "impact". Until then, this is an obvious no. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- No, despite the negligible impact noted in the lead. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait for the facts to become apparent, and then decide whether to post the news item. Jehochman Talk 19:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- COMMENT: Working on a new alt blurb... Damage estimate came out... very preliminary and need time to add to the article as well. NoahTalk 21:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem, Alsoriano97, Robertsky, Sca, WaltCip, The Rambling Man, and Jehochman: Proposed an alt blurb since some early preliminary damage estimates are coming out for insured losses. NoahTalk 21:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- $$$ ain't gonna make the cut. – Sca (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wait for scale of impact to become more clear. There are also an unreasonable number of Twitter citations in the article that need to be replaced... ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support the Alt Blurb – This storm has caused a major disaster in Louisiana, which is still unfolding right now. New Orleans is likely to be without power for weeks, and the city is dealing with severe flooding threats. The death toll and damage estimates are almost guaranteed to rise significantly in the days to come. As such, this is definitely notable enough to warrant posting. While I would normally like to see more information in the blurb (perhaps we could wait another day or two for more updates), the alt blurb is good enough for now, IMO. It can be updated as needed. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, largely uninteresting. For most people the entire story is one sentence long; power out, one dead. Abductive (reasoning) 23:49, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Is whether or not its interesting relevant? None of the sports ITN are interesting, but we post them. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 00:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Impact is thankfully minor in casualties compared to similar events, despite the worry beforehand. — Amakuru (talk) 08:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Jacques Rogge
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former president of the International Olympic Committee Jacques Rogge dies at the age of 79. (Post)
News source(s): IOC, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Does anyone want to work on this wikibio? --PFHLai (talk) 22:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- What's the rationale for a blurb? 331dot (talk) 07:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Kiril Simeonovski, who posted the proposed blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: See my comment below.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Kiril Simeonovski, who posted the proposed blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb once the article is improved. I think IOC presidents should automatically qualify for a blurb and the rationale is simple. Firstly, the office-holder governs perhaps the largest international organisation with 206 NOCs, which is even more than the UN with 193 member states. Secondly, the IOC president coordinates programmes and activities that impact millions of sportspeople worldwide and support the development of many sports. Thirdly, the IOC president administers the authority that is responsible for the Olympic Games as one of the most important and significant recurrent events in the world. Fourthly, the office is usually held for a long period of time and the incumbent president Thomas Bach is the only one living. Apart from the general significance of the office, it was during Rogge's 12-year presidency when the Youth Olympic Games were created. We posted a blurb for Samaranch back in 2010, so there's no reason to omit Rogge.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb per now I didn't see the reason for the blurb very clearly, but Kiril's explanation has convinced me. Maybe today's meal was too good for me and I'm in a good mood. Anyway, the article is not in condition yet, so I will change my vote when it is. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Is being president of the IOC prima facie evidence of being 'transformative' – ?? — Sca (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. I don't think having led the IOC automatically merits an individual a blurb upon death. Rogge did not originate the idea of the youth Olympics. 331dot (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Simply leading the IOC is not as significant as government or international governing bodies (UN) officeholders. If the person had done something more significant in the position of IOC president, then maybe, but the state of the article indicates little rationale for why he was significant beyond just holding office. --Masem (t) 19:27, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb – Per previous two. – Sca (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the transformative nature to warrant a blurb. — Amakuru (talk) 08:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should focus on just RD without a blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 04:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
RD: Lee "Scratch" Perry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Legendary producer and singer. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose For Now Plenty uncited, some of which seems a bit potentially controversial, or at least the less-positive kind of legendary. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ed Asner
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: :'-( – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Not entirely ready, but nothing a gnome or two hasn't quickly fixed before; nobody say "Blurb"! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A few tags need to be addressed. Hrodvarsson (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hrodvarsson, not anymore. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Tagged content has all been addressed. Looks ready.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- A couple of paragraphs end without a reference. Stephen 01:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Stephen, fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:41, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Sam Oji
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:7C7A:7D05:EFAC:E9AB (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Struway2 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Footballer passed at just 35. Well sourced throughout. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:7C7A:7D05:EFAC:E9AB (talk) 20:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be fully sourced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Teresa Żylis-Gara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gramophone, some Polish, probably more to come, but to show a great singer the day she died would be nice.
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Polish soprano of international fame, for 1970 to 1980 based in Germany, then a performer at the Metropolitan Opera in more than 200 performances of exclusively leading roles. She said in an interview that she'd never intentionally produce an ugly sound. I'm biased - she was the second soprano who made a lasting impression on me on stage - but try not to show ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be sourced and ready. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 06:52, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
2021 Madagascar food crisis
Blurb: The World Food Programme says that the ongoing food crisis in southern Madagascar is the first famine caused solely by climate change and not an armed conflict. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The World Food Programme says that the ongoing food crisis in southern Madagascar is the first famine caused primarily by anthropogenic climate change.
News source(s): (TRT News) (BBC)
Credits:
- Nominated by CoryGlee (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I don't know if it's blurb-worthy but I found it rather interesting. Whatever the result is, at least I tried. Kindest regards. CoryGlee (talk) 13:17, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seeing how this is the first famine caused by climate change is pretty significant. If there's opposition to a blurb, I'd support adding this to ongoing seeing how this has been an ongoing event in Madagascar. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose that seems like a claim that she be supported by peer-reviewed publications. In any case, the article is contradictory, e.g. says that Madagascar is on the verge of famine, and the blurb claims that this is the first famine...well, so what now? 93.240.192.26 (talk) 21:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the article and RS says this is the worst drought in 40 years. If past droughts, more severe, didn't cause a famine it seems more likely that this is a culmination of complex factors. Agriculture in Madagascar makes clear that there have been decades long systemic issues with monoculture farming and deforestation, among others. There is no doubt that anthropomorphic climate change is real and impacts the entire globe, but I agree with the IP above that to suggest that the current famine in Madagascar is exclusively due to climate change is dubious and requires peer review. I'd have no problem with a blurb if both it and the article were improved to reduce focus on the climate hysteria. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:44, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Anthropogenic climate change is real. Anthropomorphic climate change is only real in "universes" like Madagascar. Not that it matters much if we're all doomed...but still! InedibleHulk (talk) 02:10, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support & added altblurb. I disagree with proposals to reduce the focus on "the climate hysteria" given that secondary sources on the subject (news results on duckduckgo), (news results on google) very often do prominently feature the fact that this famine is caused primarily by climate change. You'd be hard-pressed to find an article about the topic that doesn't. A few examples: "the climate-led famine worsens [...] they are bearing the brunt of climate change" "Madagascar on the brink of climate change-induced famine", "Madagascar on the brink of experiencing the world's first climate-changed induced famine", and a few probably less-reliable ones: [4][5],[6],[7]. I agree that the blurb could use some minor tweaks, my understanding is that it's the world's first famine caused [primarily] by climate change, not the world's first famine caused [solely] by climate change. With respect to LL, who was correct in mentioning that Madagascar has had its issues, there's just so many sources emphasizing the role of climate change that it would effectively be original research to override them based on our own hunch that this crisis could actually be caused by mono-cropping etc. I may just be pedantic here, but I disagree with the nom that the sources say it's exclusively caused by climate change, but it is still caused by climate change nonetheless. It's a notable fact that shouldn't be cleansed from the blurb or the article without additional sources to contradict the multitude of sources affirming it. Vanilla Wizard 💙 06:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose As others have noted, the article is confusing and contradictory. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: IMO this non-admin closure was premature since there was considerable support for the nomination and concerns by the opposition could potentially be resolved by article updates and improvements. In cases such as this, there is no benefit by prematurely closing the nomination. SpencerT•C 01:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- The problem is nobody is fixing the issues and the opposition stands. There hasn't been any activity either here or on the article for over a day. NoahTalk 01:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Be that as it may, it's not an indication for closing the nomination, especially when there are 4-5 days remaining. SpencerT•C 18:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Re-opened. Stephen 03:04, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Harry Kent (cyclist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff; The Dominion Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 28); died on August 24. —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough and has footnotes where they are expected. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 15:49, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks ok. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Siegfried Matthus
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDR and others
Credits:
- Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Leading composer in the East when Germany was divided, but successful still after unification, founder of a chamber opera festival promoting young singers, - his music played again and again and recorded - not often in contemporary music. There was some article, but Grimes2 did miracles again expanding. There could be more, much more detail in the sources added. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- ps: the news of his death came in only today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is ready to go. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:21, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Akis Tsochatzopoulos
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1166960/akis-tsochatzopoulos-once-prominent-pasok-politician-dies/
Credits:
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: former interior and defence minister of Greece. His wikibio looks ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I've added a couple of cn tags that can be easily fixed. Otherwise, the article is well cited. If someone could explain, at least briefly, what he did as minister it would be great. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- The two {cn} tags are gone now. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:30, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hae Un Lee
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/lees-discount-liquor-founder-hae-un-lee-dies-at-79-2429072/
Credits:
- Nominated by PFHLai (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 70.172.85.106 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Wikibio looks ready already. PFHLai (talk) 10:57, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support article seems good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
US airstrike in Afghanistan
Blurb: The US launches an airstrike in Nangarhar, Afghanistan, killing the Islamic State member who is believed to have planned the bombings. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The U.S. launches an airstrike in Afghanistan, killing the two Islamic State members who planned the bombings.
News source(s): (AP News), (NY Times),
Credits:
- Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I know we already have an ITN about the bombings themselves, but it seems significant enough for maybe a second ITN nomination just because the planner died. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Because the airport attack and US airstrike is comparably related, why not posting the targeted article as ongoing? Or merging the proposed blurb with current blurb of same subject. 180.254.167.7 (talk) 04:46, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- We don't duplicate articles in ongoing if they are currently in a blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 12:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Add the airstrike to the current blurb? Jim Michael (talk) 08:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose existing blurb is just fine, and "member who is believed" is just not what an encyclopedia is about. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Are you saying the airstrike isn't important enough for ITN, or that it shouldn't be posted because we don't know enough about it? Jim Michael (talk) 09:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not certain a single airstrike warrants an update. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- It (allegedly) took two. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Now it (allegedly) took one. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The suicide bombing blurb already pipes to 2021 Kabul airport attack, so there is no need for another blurb with the same article. If it's deemed notable, incorporate the airstrike into the existing blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 12:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per TRM. Though widely covered Saturday, [8] [9] [10] this drone strike targeted one individual whose demise hasn't yet been confirmed by sources on the ground. Lacks broad significance. – Sca (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Existing blurb is enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Sources are clear about not knowing who this target was or why he was killed, same as his alleged driver, same as the alleged other victims. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - New Info The pentagon confirmed that two of the planners of the attack were killed in the airstrike. (CNN) Elijahandskip (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alt-blurb 1 started for new info. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think we can safely say both blurbs turned out to be honest misreadings. No pressure to redact or strike anything, though! Every war has its lingering rumours, after all. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:30, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alt-blurb 1 started for new info. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Even with two 'ISKP' jihadists killed, [11] [12] this drone strike remains part of the larger Afghanistan story, and a separate blurb wouldn't be appropriate. – Sca (talk) 18:14, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Sca. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Michael Nader
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: American actor. Died on Aug. 23, but only announced today. The article is fully sourced. --SirEd Dimmi!!! 00:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Nothing looks fishy, could use a photo, but hey. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I added the one of him from his character on All my Children. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 22:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Stephen B. Oates
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The Springfield Republican
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- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (August 26); died on August 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:59, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Nothing shocking, American Civil War historian, miniseries guest expert. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, BBC, Straits Times, Japan
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- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
- Created by Buckshot06 (talk · give credit)
- Support The evacuation has gotten mass media attention as international governments, mainly the United States, try to evacuate troops from Afghanistan. The Taliban offensive was included on Ongoing, don't see an opposing reason as to why this cannot be included. Kellis7 (talk) 18:16, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support If there's any event that's being continuously reported in the news around the world, it's precisely this. Moreover, this is an operation involving many countries from virtually every continent except Africa. Undoubtedly, there are enough reasons for the nomination to prosper. The linked article is constantly updated and is perfectly sourced. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose In the aftermath of the attack nominated below, evacuations from some countries have paused or been ended. As far as I can tell, only Germany has been ambiguous about when they plan on ending evacuations. All other nations are currently committed to ending evacuations on or before August 31st. Posting an event as ongoing when it has a definite end date at the present seems counterintuitive. If the US and other nations publicly state that evacuations will continue indefinitely, then will change to support. 47.176.81.182 (talk) 18:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- We posted the Olympics to ongoing, that has a definite end date. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The attacks are definitely appropriate for a blurb, but unless more violence continues, the evacuation has been otherwise something being done in haste but not the type of critical ongoing compared to natural disasters or other human-caused violence. --Masem (t) 18:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support unconvinced by either of the opposes. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Highly important event, widely reported around the world. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Unless something unexpected happens, in which case we would blurb it - as indeed we did for today's bombing - the evacuation from the airport is really just a corollary to the invasion by the Taliban. The withdrawal operation is not really daily breaking headline and unexpected news on a daily basis, as we'd see for say the Hong Kong protests or the Taliban's recent offensive. It's a predictable and time limited operation that followed from the Afghan army's defeat to the Taliban, which we also blurbed. — Amakuru (talk) 00:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Highly notable. And definitely should be posted to Ongoing. I don’t have a magic ball to look into the future with. But for now this is definitely an escalating situation that warrants Ongoing-status.BabbaQ (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose People catching planes. Only seems bigger because it's associated with a couple of blurbs, vaguely suggesting a third something is next. Those aside, it's a pretty mundane story, though more juicy than most daily airport reports. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support - most countries have withdrawn, yes, but the bulk of the evacuation have been American anyway, and they're still going ("The United States would press on with evacuations despite the threat of further attacks"). Regarding notability, it's the top news in all international news sites I checked (BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, RT, DW, FT, AP, really everything except Xinhua for some reason), and is 2nd news in my local non English news site. I'd say it's still highly in the news. Should have a good 3-4 days left of evacuations, ignoring the signs from both sides that they are negotiating an extension. Juxlos (talk) 02:29, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- You sure those aren't about the bombing? I checked CBC. It's Biden vowing revenge there (an Ongoing war in Afghanistan might be a reasonable nom to me). InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support in the news, and likely to be in the news for at least several more days. Banedon (talk) 02:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose ongoing, add to other blurb Two ITN items seems overkill when something like "Amid evacuations from Afghanistan" can be added to the existing suicide bombing blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 04:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: I've gone ahead and WP:BOLDly made the change. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm happy with this. A much better outcome than putting it in Ongoing. — Amakuru (talk) 07:42, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: I've gone ahead and WP:BOLDly made the change. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This may be top news because of the bombing, which is already included in the blurb. Otherwise, the withdrawal of foreign citizens is going relatively smoothly and it receives routine coverage. We can wait until 31 August, which was given as a deadline for the withdrawal, and see if things escalate afterwards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Kabul airport attacks
Blurb: Two suicide bombings occur at the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, killing at least 72 people. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, NBC
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- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Koopatrev (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kellis7 (talk · give credit), Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit) and Hazeledla (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Current/breaking news event. Article will be expanded as more information comes in --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support The withdrawal from Afghanistan is a major ongoing (not WP:ITN/ONGOING, yet anyway) story and the bombing is a notable development of it. It's long enough as it is and will expand. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Afghan evacuations are currently top-of-news, and a cursory look at Reuters, Al Jazeera and BBC puts this story at headline. Juxlos (talk) 16:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Reports of over a hundred casualties (wounded and killed) as well as American servicemembers injured is notable enough to warrant a blurb. Lyrim (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support This has gotten massive media coverage (even local news sources are reporting on it) and the involvement with American troops makes this article notable. Kellis7 (talk) 17:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Query Should Fall of Kabul (2021) or 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan be an ongoing item instead, given that though Kabul has been taken over, the airport and/or certain routes to the airport are still being controlled by US/Brits? – robertsky (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Kabul has already fallen, so it cannot be "ongoing". This, unfortunately, is still what Afghanistan will be under Taliban rule. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- In my personal opinion, I think the 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan should be added as an ongoing item. I think that would have to be settled on a separate forum. Kellis7 17:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Agree with Kellis7. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Major development and article is expanding. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support Per above. Perhaps it would be appropriate to indicate that it's occurring in the context of a mass evacuation of Afghans, which is ultimately the reason for the attack. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support, the casualty count is definitely high enough at this point. However, as discussed above, we should link 2021 evacuation of Afghanistan in this blurb. If we do that, we don't need to add it as an ongoing item. -LtNOWIS (talk) 18:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Eh We already have one story about this on ITN. I'd say just move it to ongoing. We can't have new stories posted for every development in this event, and given that US/UK intelligence have been saying this stuff for a couple days and it's tightly related to the main blurb I don't really think it's worth 2 blurbs. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- If this is posted, it should displace or augment to the current blurb. I disagree about bringing it to ongoing, unless more violence continues during the evactuation/power transition. --Masem (t) 18:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- If it displaces the current blurb then that's fine with me. But even for augmenting I'm not really 'opposed', as I suppose this is a major set of events, just hesitant (esp if more major events happen before the withdrawal concludes) ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- If this is posted, it should displace or augment to the current blurb. I disagree about bringing it to ongoing, unless more violence continues during the evactuation/power transition. --Masem (t) 18:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support because it's easily important enough & the article is of good enough quality. Jim Michael (talk) 19:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Update - per WSJ, death toll is over 100 (13 Americans soldiers, at least 90 Afghans). This is already updated in the article itself. Juxlos (talk) 02:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support – Thanks to all who made this happen at last. A new, relevant blurb was long overdue. – Sca (talk) 12:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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